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00:27.33hagabakadoes gtk-qt-engine not work any more?
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00:41.12Pingfloydanyone know how to bring up ignore list in konversation?
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00:42.43kiaosshi, i have tried this:
00:42.53kiaosshttp://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Compile_C_CPP_and_Java_programs_using_Kate
00:42.59kiaosson kde 4.3.3
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00:43.16kiaossbu it hasn't worked correctly
00:43.29kiaosssomeone can help me?
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01:25.37p_mashoHow do i stop the "popup window" that appears when I hover the mouse over the time and application launcher on the taskbar ?
01:29.01sreichit's a tooltip and no
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01:39.41bikertrying to compile kdelibs it gives me this error, does someone knows whats wrong? :) http://pastebin.com/xgJ8pUiA
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02:38.12OmnipotentEntityhey, is there a kuickshow dev channel?
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02:49.17daumhey guys - weird problem here -- when i load a session in kate, and click on a file it has as 'recently' opened(in the documents tab, the file is lightly highlighted), as soon as i do that, it crashes any guesses why
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04:33.33ok_waithey guys quick question; has the option to change mouse cursor themes been added to 4.4.1? and if so where would i find this option? (opensuse 11.2)
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04:34.56Sho_ok_wait: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Mouse -> Cursor theme
04:35.07Sho_ok_wait: That's been around for ~five years or so
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04:35.22ok_waitah... didn't even think to check there sorry
04:35.28ok_waitthanks :)
04:36.28Sho_np
04:37.03ok_waitwow i've been wondering about the bootup numlock status option as well tyvm
04:37.25Sho_yeah System Settings is a treasure trove ;)
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06:33.21phiberoptiki installed KDE 4.40 on top of ubuntu 9.10 with KDM
06:33.29phiberoptikand all the fonts and everything are so small i can't even read it
06:33.40phiberoptikits like it super shrunk
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07:07.22FoxBlitzzphiberoptik: Sure you aren't just used to GNOME's oversized fonts? ;)
07:07.43FoxBlitzzphiberoptik: Press Alt + F2, type Fonts, hit Enter, and adjust to your preferences
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07:46.09psteynI'm using KDE 4.4.1 on a Samsung NC10.  The netbook suspends too ram when it's on 80% at times, how can I tell it to only suspend to ram/disk when it's 20% or lower?  Or disable auto suspend to ram completely?
07:46.33cb400fsystemsettings -> advanced -> power management
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07:48.15FoxBlitzzpsteyn: There are separate profiles for low/warning level battery
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07:48.55FoxBlitzzpsteyn: You can tweak these levels if you want, and each power profile has its own lid close/idle action
07:49.07FoxBlitzzAs well as power/sleep button actions
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07:56.08phiberoptikKDE 4.41
07:56.09phiberoptikis a HOG!
07:57.05thiago_homegroundhog?
07:59.10alisonken1nocwhen did kde ship 4.41?
07:59.17alisonken1nocsometime in 2020?
07:59.34psteyntnx
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08:03.52FoxBlitzzphiberoptik: I think you mean 4.4.1
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08:05.00FoxBlitzzphiberoptik: Also, please elaborate. You know that you can turn off some of the heavier stuff, right? EG. disabling Nepomuk can save quite a lot in terms of memory usage. My system typically boots to a usable desktop with only around 350MB memory usage for a 64-bit system
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08:06.06FoxBlitzzphiberoptik: And I didn't even disable any of the eyecandy
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08:20.33qotsawhat is the status of the kwin-tiling project? will it get into 4.5?
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08:23.17cb400fqotsa: think so .. afaik it only just didn't make 4.4
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08:25.52qotsai thought it was also a matter of being accepted by the kde developers?
08:26.13lmurrayThe branch is still under development and still has some blockers
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09:41.23Arno[Slack]anybody uses a Fedora 12 ? Because I have a weird "issue" since the last update
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09:43.41gnumdkHello
09:43.54gnumdkIs this really a bad idea to export KDEVARTMP on an NFS server ?
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09:43.58nodiehi
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09:44.12nodieis it possible to print only even or odd page with okular?
09:44.21pinotreeno
09:44.27nodieo_O
09:44.37nodieare you serious?
09:44.52pinotreei am
09:45.03pinotree(and that isn't specific to okular, btw)
09:45.10nodiewhy is that?
09:45.27pinotreebecause there's no kde print system?
09:46.06Pinarafnodie and pinotree: in KDE 4.4 here, I have that option
09:46.15nodiekde relay on cups isn't it?
09:46.25PinarafI can choose a «Page set»
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09:53.29Arno[Slack]I asked on #Fedora but I'll re-ask here, thank you
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11:05.24menakhi y'all
11:06.23menakis there any way to set the layout of kmail so that the message preview is in the middle between the folders and the headers?
11:06.52menaki only see how to set it to folders/headers/message preview
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11:55.24kofleris there still no way to make the digital clock widget display 12 hour time (AM/PM e.g. 11:59 P.M.) as opposed to 24 hour time (23:59)?
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11:59.30Half-Leftkofler: You have to set it in the regional and language settings in systemsettings
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12:01.27mcgregorhi
12:01.35mcgregoris ark part of kde?
12:01.43Half-Leftyes
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12:02.44mcgregorwhere could I ask/suggest for a archiver-support to be added? even though it is not really very known anymore and used
12:03.23Half-Leftarchiver-support?
12:03.59Half-Leftbugs.kde.org and do the report as a wishlist
12:04.34mcgregorHalf-Left, well, sorry, I don't know how to express it any better. I meant, support for lha archivers
12:04.42mcgregorlha - lzh archiver
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12:18.58mcgregorHalf-Left, ok, thx. I made a "bug" report -> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=231896  is it OK like this?
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12:20.48Half-Leftlooks fine to me
12:21.17mcgregorgood. thank for you time and help. have a nice day
12:21.25mcgregor*our
12:21.27mcgregor*your
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12:34.42mcgregorhmm I just checked and I see from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_(computing) that ark actually IS already supporting lha. so my bugreport is nonsense - kind of. but it still doesnt work here. so, could it be something else? maybe a debian problem?
12:36.00Sho_fwiw, ark doesn't really support archive formats by itself i think, it uses things like libarchive for it
12:36.08Sho_which is a build-time dependency
12:36.17Sho_as well as runtime dependencies like the unrar executable for rar
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12:36.34Sho_so it might be due to missing runtime dependencies or due to the way debian built it
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12:38.50mcgregorso at this point I believe it is the build-time dependency problem, since when I do apt-cache search lha , it dosnt even point to ark (but it does when I look for rar/zip/tar etc)
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12:56.09Half-LeftIf you add packages for say, libzip then Ark will use zip format, without the need to recompile it
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12:56.46Half-Leftsame with 7-zip ect...
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12:57.39mcgregoryeah I understand that, but I have installed the lha package
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13:10.44Half-Leftmcgregor: See if you get any response for the report, if not then report it as a bug.
13:10.57mcgregorok
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13:50.17gnumdkI'm looking for a way to hide globally internat drivers in kde
13:50.19gnumdkany idea ?
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13:52.52Half-Leftgnumdk: How do you mean?
13:53.44gnumdkBy default, kde show me internal partition drivers in dolphin, file dialog
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13:53.57gnumdki want to disable this and only show external drivers
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13:54.04Half-LeftOh, you mean drives
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13:54.11gnumdkhmm
13:54.13gnumdksorry
13:54.38Half-LeftRight click, "Hide Entry"
13:54.50gnumdki've seen kded_device_automounterrc but i'm looking for a generic method
13:55.01gnumdkHalf-Left: i'm building a default kde profile
13:56.45Half-LeftYou can hide anything in the side bar
13:57.04gnumdkyes, but i wan't this to be automatic
13:57.16gnumdkcurrently, it's for a specific uuid
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13:57.54Half-LeftI'm not sure how you would or can do that
13:58.55daumthis is really weird when i have my kate open and go to open an additional file, it immediately crashes kate, any ideas?
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14:00.33tinesofthello world !
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14:06.01alsadiI got some KDE docs in /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/*/index.docbook
14:06.20alsadiwhat does KDE uses to concert it to html in help center
14:06.39alsadiconvert*
14:06.45alsadiuse*
14:07.43szalthat's not a conversion; Docbook XML is a format specially designed for manuals and help pages
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14:09.31alsadiszal: I mean does they use the Norman Walsh's XSL
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14:09.53alsadior they rely on some custom XSLT ?
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14:30.36lord_robHi ! System Load plasmoïd shows me that my CPU usage is 100% (I've a quad core CPU) How can I know that from another source ?
14:30.53lord_roba Linux command I mean
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14:36.08Ragnarhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm6WrBxF4H0
14:36.09Ragnarhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm6WrBxF4H0
14:36.15Ragnarcheck this out!
14:36.27chuckf_why?!
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14:37.07mcgregorlord_rob, you mean, check cpu usage from a process? "top" does it, it can shpow you the cpu demand for every core of your cpu('s)
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14:44.07gnumdkanyone already play with KDEDIRS and Kiosk ?
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14:46.19lord_robmcgregor: well this does exactly the same as clicking on the plasmoid icon, so I don't understand why CPU usage is 100%
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14:51.10lord_robthere's a zombie process
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15:33.57TopperHcan someone please take a look at this error? http://dpaste.com/175169/
15:34.03TopperHI can't use opengl composite, and reverts back to xrender
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15:47.42Half-LeftTopperH: Try asking in #kwin
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15:48.17TopperHHalf-Left: tried about one hour ago, but the chan is sleeping
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16:46.48GraveDiggeri just found out that you can upload screenshots directly by dragging the image from ksnapshot to the nopaste plasma widget without saving a file locally and manually uploading it
16:47.10GraveDiggervery nice, a feature i have waited for ♥
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16:49.01GraveDiggeri just have a question tho: is it possible to configure ksnapshot so that it saves images as png when doing this?
16:51.37[Enrico]GraveDigger: you are right even if here the default save format (when saving to disk) is png it uploads the image as jpeg
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16:52.12GraveDiggerso, is that a "bug"?
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16:52.22GraveDiggeror the desired behaviour?
16:53.07[Enrico]no idea
16:53.10GraveDiggeri see
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16:53.19[Enrico]GraveDigger: but i guess you can make a feature request :)
16:53.23GraveDiggerwell, it's still a very nice  feature, i really like it
16:53.36[Enrico]yeah it is really nice
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17:47.11daumanyone have any ideas why it seems kate crashes when i open an additional files: full detials here http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-820392.html
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17:49.43pen16what linux distro should I get for KDE
17:50.11pen16the newest
17:50.13pen16Kubuntu?
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17:51.34szalyou should get what you feel comfortable with; choices are plenty
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17:53.55pen16OK then i'll stick with windows cause I'm not comfortable with any of the recommendations you presented
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17:58.35uspenokwhere is strigi log
17:58.40uspenok?
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18:06.00Half-Leftpen16: Why bother asking then?
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18:07.38Half-Leftpen16: Download and try some live cds/usb's and see for youself which one is best for you
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18:24.27Simkinhey guys
18:24.41Simkinanyone know how to enable rss feed support in ktorrent ?
18:24.57Simkinit was there in the 3.x kde version but in 4.x i can't find it.. wondering what i did wrong.
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18:28.26BigpawsIs there a way on 3.5.10 kprinter print to file to change the default save to directory?
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18:32.07Simkini'm sorry Bigpaws i dont' have 3.5.10 running on any machines any more, no way to test or play :(
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19:18.27boombatowerhow does one get the main toolbar (url and what not) back in rekonq...latest update it all just disappeared
19:18.36boombatowereven tried frying .kde4/share/apps/rekonq
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19:20.42Half-Leftboombatower: Ask the devs or your distro.
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19:22.06Klanticusis there any way to set a modifier key (like meta or ctrl) as a shortcut in kde?
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19:23.22boombatowershortcut for what
19:23.35boombatowerKlanticus: I have shortcuts lime meta + k = konsole
19:23.50Klanticusboombatower: i'd like to use just meta
19:23.57Klanticuswithout any other key
19:24.09uspenoki love u guy, strigi is awesome
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19:24.39boombatowerKlanticus: doesn't seem like, but I wouldn't know for usre
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19:27.54adamkAny idea why I would get "COmpositing is not supported on your system" when trying to enable the KDE desktop effects with the latest fglrx (10.2)?
19:28.10adamkcompiz-fusion works just fine, so clearly compositing works.
19:28.41adamkThis is with KDE 4.4.1.
19:28.49[Enrico]adamk: did you tried to disable functionality check? it works?
19:29.14adamk[Enrico]: I can't disable it.  *Everything* in the control module is grayed out.
19:29.20[Enrico]O_O
19:29.25[Enrico]adamk: strange
19:29.32[Enrico]oh my dinner is ready, bbl
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20:37.56srdjanHi.
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20:38.21srdjanWhy is it that Dolphin works *so* much faster when running under Fluxbox, and not KDE-4.3 proper?
20:38.38srdjan(KDE 4.3.2)
20:38.46FoxBlitzzsrdjan: Could be extra daemons running, such as Nepomuk
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20:39.12srdjanFoxBlitzz: I think Nepomuk is set to not start - but cannot be sure right now
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20:39.56srdjanFile operations in Dolphin when running KDE proper, is unbearable. It is very very slow to move/organise files.
20:39.56FoxBlitzzCould also be drivers, compositing, etc.
20:40.20srdjanmaybe. how can I go about debugging it?
20:40.35FoxBlitzzIn many cases, slowness in KDE can be attributed to poor drivers
20:40.55srdjanAlso... resizing plasma widgets is incredibly slow. Moving them is fine and fast. just resize windows is very slow.
20:41.08thiago_homefor whatever reason, the progress bars cause a huge amount of X CPU activity
20:41.34srdjanFoxBlitzz: yes possible. I did read today a blog post about Qt 4.4 getting slower and slower... not sure if Qt itself is causing a problem rather than the nvidia driver.
20:41.41FoxBlitzzsrdjan: Performance should be better in KDE SC 4.4. Also, try running plasma-desktop using the raster graphicssystem
20:42.06srdjanFoxBlitzz: I also read about the raster option but not had the chance yet to try it
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20:42.15FoxBlitzzsrdjan: Can you upgrade to SC 4.4 on your distro?
20:42.29srdjanFoxBlitzz: I'm not sure. I run Kubuntu here, but I'm a newbie...
20:42.40FoxBlitzzAh, right
20:42.49FoxBlitzzFor stable, you'd need to wait until April
20:43.21srdjanwell... a Kubuntu newbie. I did try compiling KDE 3.x with Konstruct, and also did try doing the 4.x cmake tutorials a few years ago
20:43.38FoxBlitzzYou can get KDE SC 4.4 as a backport IIRC, but it may eat your hamster :)
20:43.53srdjanI have no hamster so I'll be ok ;)
20:44.00FoxBlitzz(I never had good experiences with KDE backports on Kubuntu)
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20:45.13srdjanI have to say, that I really do like KDE 4.3.2, but it's just too slow. (there are a few bits of functionality missing, such as Set-to-wallpaper option that I think Dolphin had before but dissapeared)
20:45.30FoxBlitzzTry dragging the wallpaper to the desktop
20:45.46srdjanFoxBlitzz: won't that move the file to the ~/Desktop/ directory?
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20:46.47FoxBlitzzHmm, weird
20:47.23srdjanI'd be tempted to setup a KDE devel setup to try to learn KDE internals.
20:47.38srdjanthough not sure about this KIO thing about opening a file but havign to download it
20:48.06srdjandoes that also happen when the file is local? and does that mean that you just waste time copying a local file to /tmp (or wherever it goes) just to open it?
20:48.11srdjanand back again when saving?
20:48.21srdjanshould read the KIO docs :)
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20:48.45FoxBlitzzsrdjan: Should only happen EG. if you're accessing remote files via the fish:// protocol
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20:49.31srdjanah ok. (I remember vaguely seeing in the tutorials that a download takes place before a QFile::open(...)
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22:22.32alesanhi, how can I configure my Win buttons on the keyboard to open the K menu?
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22:24.53cb400falesan: right click kickoff icon -> menu settings -> shortcut
22:26.03srdjanquit
22:27.21alesancb400f, what is exactly kickoff? the K menu?
22:27.43cb400fit's one of the menus :-) .. the official default
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22:28.19cb400fI guess the same workflow should work if you use classic menu or lancelot
22:28.21alesanok but if I try to assign the win key, it gets as a "Meta+" and I cannot use it alone like it was designed for
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22:29.17alesanwhat do I need to do in X configuration to make the Win key work...
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23:29.05alexbarivhi people! quick question, why the shortcuts that i created in the kmenuedit stop working ? since some days without reason they stop working, so how can i enable this again ?
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23:33.22mikalahello
23:33.43Moggeralexbariv: check in system settings -> input actions
23:34.01Moggerthere should be a group for kmenu shortcuts. see if it's enabled
23:34.22mikalacan someone point me to some documentation to create ksplash them?
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23:35.51sreichmikala: uhm..I have heard that google works well for things like that
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23:36.06Druonysusis away: Gone away for now
23:36.15mikalasreich: for the moment i'm only able to find documention to change the ksplash them
23:36.19mikalanot to create one
23:36.34mikalai did not find documentation on userbase either.
23:36.44mikalathat's why i'm asking here.
23:37.08mikalamaybe i did not use the correct keys in google (aka create ksplash theme )
23:37.52sreichmikala: http://tinyurl.com/ycxy5sc
23:38.34mikalasreich: & you check the links provided by google of course?
23:38.44sreichyes
23:38.58alexbarivMogger: thank you, that was! the checkbox was disabled ;) maybe when i update this setting didint keep
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23:39.04alexbarivthanks again :D
23:39.11sreichmikala: second link, "KSplash Handbook"
23:39.18sreich[pdf]
23:39.18mikalasreich: it's broken...
23:39.18Moggeralexbariv: np :)
23:39.28sreichbroken in what manner?
23:39.39mikalaaka i'm not able to download the pdf
23:39.51sreichit wouldn't download/open for me either..so I just used google's quickview
23:39.57mikalatheire's a 404
23:40.40mikalaoh, miss that one :)
23:40.43mikalathk.
23:42.41mikalaseems like the syntax is in fact quite different wtith current Themerc :/
23:43.44sreichmeh..no idea then
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23:55.37oxiredo_rogood night all
23:56.20sreichDruonysus: please turn that off. sorry to say this, but 369 people are not concerned about you being afk.

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