| 00:00.40 | kolla | ok |
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| 00:01.04 | maazu | bye all |
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| 00:03.15 | kolla | I need to forget about kde... dont grasp why I keep trying it |
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| 00:09.00 | Half-Left | kolla: Nothing wrong with trying something to see if you're going to like it |
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| 00:09.37 | Half-Left | If you don't, oh well, move on |
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| 00:10.18 | kolla | Half-Left: I'm stuck on kde3 |
| 00:10.22 | kolla | no place to go |
| 00:10.58 | kolla | most of all I feel like giving up on linux desktop and just use windows like everyone else |
| 00:11.10 | Half-Left | It's a good job you didn't have to pay for it then |
| 00:11.27 | Fersure | kolla: how are you 'stuck' on kde3? |
| 00:11.32 | Half-Left | Go right ahead :) |
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| 00:12.00 | Half-Left | with the rest of the robots |
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| 00:12.20 | kolla | I never used windows before |
| 00:12.31 | Fersure | will happily stick with Debian and Kubuntu for his computing needs. |
| 00:12.55 | kolla | well, I did work with windows, but never on my own machines |
| 00:13.06 | Fersure | Try custom-compiling a kernel on Windows! |
| 00:13.10 | Half-Left | Well, if you like customising your desktop, Windows is a dead duck :p |
| 00:13.18 | Fersure | And that too. :p |
| 00:13.26 | kolla | and that is different to kde4 how? |
| 00:13.42 | Fersure | Well it isn't, if you know absolutely nothing about KDE. |
| 00:13.49 | Fersure | KDE4 is very VERY customisable. |
| 00:14.13 | kolla | I just asked about two dead simple "cursomisations", and answer to both were "no" |
| 00:14.32 | Fersure | Could you please tell me what you asked? |
| 00:14.40 | kolla | where do I turn off the "bubble help" that keeps popping up when I move the mouse over icons on the desktop? and what is the +/- sign about? and can one also turn off the "highlight" borders? |
| 00:14.59 | kolla | I would want to get rid of the +/- signs as well |
| 00:15.08 | Fersure | +/- signs? |
| 00:15.10 | Fersure | Where? |
| 00:15.12 | kolla | I'm not physically handicapped, I dont need them |
| 00:15.17 | Fersure | Oh. |
| 00:15.19 | Fersure | On the icons. |
| 00:15.22 | kolla | yes |
| 00:15.29 | Half-Left | kolla: It's all about your pet dislikes in the end |
| 00:15.39 | kolla | kde4 is full of pet dislikes |
| 00:15.42 | Fersure | Well there may well be a way to disable those. |
| 00:15.43 | Half-Left | You want KDE4 to be KDE3 |
| 00:15.50 | Half-Left | and it's not |
| 00:16.01 | kolla | I never said that |
| 00:16.05 | Half-Left | but you do |
| 00:16.07 | kolla | I want kde4 to be usable |
| 00:16.12 | Fersure | kolla: stop complaining about how KDE looks out of the box and work on fixing it. have you tried googling your query? |
| 00:16.26 | Fersure | It is usable. The things you stated do not affect the usability. |
| 00:16.27 | kolla | have you? |
| 00:16.36 | Fersure | Why should I google YOUR query? |
| 00:16.37 | pinotree | honestly didn't understand yet which +/- signs kolla is talking about... |
| 00:16.45 | kolla | since you think it's that easy |
| 00:16.51 | Fersure | pinotree: the ones on the icons in dolphin and such |
| 00:16.53 | Half-Left | the overlays on the folders |
| 00:17.08 | pinotree | ah |
| 00:17.27 | Fersure | kolla: you're being very rude. |
| 00:17.43 | pinotree | everybody: calm down a bit ... |
| 00:17.49 | kolla | Im not, someone here told me I'm a robot - was that rude? |
| 00:17.54 | Fersure | No. |
| 00:18.06 | Half-Left | kolla: So you have picked a few pet dislikes and in one swoop said KDE4 is unusable |
| 00:18.06 | Fersure | They were refering to Windows users. |
| 00:18.09 | Fersure | o_o; |
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| 00:18.33 | kolla | it is unusable for me, since it has all this things that get in my way and annoy me |
| 00:18.37 | kolla | these |
| 00:18.48 | kolla | I seriously wish it wasnt like this |
| 00:18.50 | Fersure | kolla: ok let me just say this |
| 00:18.51 | pinotree | there is the option to turn the +/- signs in dolphin off |
| 00:19.14 | pinotree | settings â configure dolphin â general â [ ] show marker selectors |
| 00:19.16 | kolla | pinotree: I'm not really talking about dolphin, but rather the "desktop" plasma |
| 00:19.24 | kolla | but maybe it's the same option |
| 00:19.45 | pinotree | +/- signs in plasma? :-S |
| 00:19.56 | Half-Left | yeah on the folder view |
| 00:20.18 | Fersure | I just tried what pinotree suggested, kolla. |
| 00:20.21 | Fersure | It worked just fine. |
| 00:20.43 | pinotree | oh, must be new of kde 4.4 then (no +/- signs in kde 4.3's folderview) |
| 00:20.55 | Half-Left | yep |
| 00:20.59 | sreich | pinotree: right |
| 00:21.05 | pinotree | okay :) |
| 00:21.06 | Fersure | pinotree: There is for me. KDE 4.3 here. |
| 00:21.13 | Fersure | Always has been with KDE4 for me. o.o |
| 00:21.19 | kolla | so I need to start dolphin to configure the folderview plasma? |
| 00:21.28 | Half-Left | no |
| 00:21.33 | kolla | where is it then? |
| 00:21.45 | Half-Left | They're two separate things |
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| 00:22.04 | Half-Left | You cannot disable it in the Folder View |
| 00:22.08 | Half-Left | as I said |
| 00:22.12 | Fersure | Half-Left: yes you can |
| 00:22.14 | kolla | so again, the answer is "no" |
| 00:22.17 | Fersure | what pinotree said worked fine for me |
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| 00:22.23 | kolla | so I need to start dolphin to configure the folderview plasma? |
| 00:22.27 | Fersure | kolla: follow what pinotree said. |
| 00:22.30 | pinotree | Fersure: for dolphin, yes :) |
| 00:22.31 | kolla | is repeating himself |
| 00:22.47 | Fersure | pinotree: It also affected the folder view widget for me. |
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| 00:23.03 | kolla | so I _do_ need to start dolphin then |
| 00:23.08 | Fersure | yes |
| 00:23.10 | Half-Left | is getting mixed up or has a distro patch |
| 00:23.16 | pinotree | has them active in dolphin, but no such signs in the folderview |
| 00:23.24 | Half-Left | Fersure* |
| 00:24.03 | Fersure | which distro are you using Half-Left ? |
| 00:24.58 | Half-Left | It doesn't matter, the simple fact is, you cannot disable them on a kde vanilla install |
| 00:25.09 | kolla | so I did the settings, but it doesnt seem to affect the desktop |
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| 00:25.21 | Half-Left | dolphin settings don't affect Folder View |
| 00:25.32 | Fersure | Half-Left: well I know for a fact my distro keeps kde as 'vanilla' as possible :P |
| 00:25.59 | kolla | geh.... |
| 00:26.06 | kolla | turns off opaque resize |
| 00:26.10 | Fersure | well if we knew which distro kolla was using |
| 00:26.12 | Fersure | it might help |
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| 00:26.34 | kolla | gentoo |
| 00:26.42 | Fersure | ah I see. |
| 00:26.51 | kolla | yes, all bets are off then I guess |
| 00:27.02 | Fersure | bets? |
| 00:27.06 | Fersure | I don't know what you mean. |
| 00:27.17 | kolla | it's an idiom |
| 00:27.23 | Fersure | I realise that. |
| 00:28.46 | kolla | let's just say I'm used to being ridiculed for using gentoo |
| 00:29.01 | Fersure | riiiiiiiiiight |
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| 00:30.17 | kolla | was it ever considered to add a non-blocking way to resize/move windows without opaque? |
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| 00:30.51 | kolla | it's annoying that video playback (and then also sound) stops when I move around windows |
| 00:31.06 | Fersure | that doesn't happen for me, kolla |
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| 00:31.16 | sreich | not here either... |
| 00:31.23 | kolla | rolls his eyes... |
| 00:31.24 | sreich | only on windows :) |
| 00:31.32 | Half-Left | kolla: Randomly complaining now? |
| 00:31.42 | kolla | no, turn off opaque move/resize |
| 00:31.48 | kolla | and try again |
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| 00:33.14 | kolla | also, I still find myself unable to drop icons into panels that have autohide turned on, I drag the icon to the border where the panel shows up, but then the icon has vanished from the pointer and there's nothing to drop |
| 00:34.59 | kolla | the folderview thing insists on sorting my icons, I want my trashcan to stay put in the lower right corner, but it's impossible it seems |
| 00:36.03 | Half-Left | kolla: I've told all the KDE devs to stop work and fix your bugs immediately |
| 00:36.05 | pinotree | right click on the folder view â icons â sorting, disable the sorting criteria there |
| 00:36.11 | kolla | Half-Left: good |
| 00:36.33 | kolla | pinotree: done that heaploads of times, yet every time I log in it sorts things again |
| 00:36.38 | Half-Left | Also the bug you just said doesn't happen here |
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| 00:37.23 | kolla | hm, now it worked |
| 00:37.38 | kolla | I guess it's not every time, but "often" |
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| 00:40.36 | kolla | ok, I'll move over to #gnome and whine some more there |
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| 00:43.28 | sreich | good, finally |
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| 00:50.57 | silver_hook | What size of emoticons would you prefer? |
| 00:52.40 | NaCl | just disables them |
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| 01:22.35 | khindenburg | My caps/shift doesn't work when screen sharing into Gentoo/Linux box. Is that krfb on the linux or the main system? |
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| 01:35.17 | JackWinter | anyone notice a slowdown in konqueror on kde 4.4? |
| 01:38.46 | NaCl | Speaking of konqueror, did sftp:// die in favor of just using fish:// ? |
| 01:39.00 | pinotree | nope |
| 01:39.15 | NaCl | huh. |
| 01:39.38 | NaCl | I will have to inquire about this to the packager, thanks. |
| 01:39.53 | pinotree | missing libssh when compling kdebase/runtime |
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| 01:40.42 | NaCl | Was this a new requirement in 4.4? |
| 01:41.01 | pinotree | yes |
| 01:41.04 | NaCl | Ah. |
| 01:41.06 | NaCl | Thanks. |
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| 01:41.47 | NaCl | libssh2, libssh, or both? |
| 01:42.35 | pinotree | libssh |
| 01:42.45 | NaCl | OK, thanks. |
| 01:46.44 | DTinux | I'm running kubuntu 9.10 with kde 4.3.2, I have my panel docked on right side of screen, the battery monitor icon is like 250 pixels tall. How do I make it about 16 pixels tall? |
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| 01:48.41 | urkud | DTinux: Reduce panel size? |
| 01:49.39 | DTinux | it's too small for me now |
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| 01:55.01 | DTinux | I'd be happiest if I could find a universal setting to limit all panel icons to 16X16, I need more space for the running application tabs |
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| 01:56.33 | DTinux | my screen is 1900X1200 and I still can't get enough space, the icons just grow proportionately to waste space as I expand the panel |
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| 02:22.54 | ThinkPadX200 | Can anyone help me out, I would like to get my brightness controls working on my ThinkPad X200, but I have no idea where to begin, even after reading the thinkwiki |
| 02:23.16 | ThinkPadX200 | Laptop isnt very usable without ability to turn brightness down from maximum |
| 02:25.23 | DTinux | when I double click on the battery icon it brings up a brightness slider |
| 02:25.37 | NaCl | Same. |
| 02:25.39 | DTinux | I just wish my battery icon wasn't 250 pixels tall! |
| 02:26.43 | ThinkPadX200 | DT: let me try that |
| 02:27.19 | ThinkPadX200 | I dont have a brightness slioder, brings up a kpowersave info dialog |
| 02:27.35 | ThinkPadX200 | "set brightness supported: no" |
| 02:28.15 | DTinux | sounds like your video driver doesn't support it |
| 02:28.27 | ThinkPadX200 | I mean, it says my 9 cell will give me 5:30 battery from full charge with brightness at max, but I would still like to be able to turn it down for those long days or nighttime usage |
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| 02:30.17 | NaCl | DTinux: the screen backlight has nothing to do with the video driver |
| 02:30.20 | DTinux | you might try a few different video drivers...I've always ended up using the proprietary drivers on ati and nvidia stuff |
| 02:30.52 | NaCl | It still is something missing in the driver, though. |
| 02:30.58 | NaCl | s/the/a |
| 02:31.03 | NaCl | But not the video driver. |
| 02:31.19 | NaCl | It's some power interface thing. |
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| 02:31.43 | ThinkPadX200 | Salt: Do you know how to get my FN Brightness keys, or even software control over brightness working? |
| 02:32.50 | NaCl | Uhm... The fn keys may actually trigger software stuff. Depends on the lappy. |
| 02:33.09 | DTinux | proprietary ibm driver probably |
| 02:33.37 | NaCl | I bet there's linux support. Power stuff is usually more cooperative than most. |
| 02:34.17 | NaCl | is not salt |
| 02:34.41 | NaCl | ThinkPadX200: you may want to try googling around some more, or ask in your distro's channel, this is not a KDE problem |
| 02:34.42 | DTinux | everything with Cl is salt |
| 02:35.01 | NaCl | Chlorine gas isn't. :P |
| 02:35.17 | DTinux | it is a temporary situation ;p |
| 02:35.37 | NaCl | :P |
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| 02:36.26 | ThinkPadX200 | NaCl:: I asked in the #debian but they just pointed me to thinkwiki and its overwhelming for someone who has been on debian for 1 day and linux for maybe... 2 weeks |
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| 02:36.58 | ThinkPadX200 | Something about tpb, apci thinkpad apci and maybe somethng else |
| 02:37.03 | ThinkPadX200 | all these crazy programs and stuff |
| 02:37.17 | ThinkPadX200 | seems like it would be a 10% shot at it actually working if i could even figure out what to do |
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| 02:38.25 | DTinux | I always found debian to be a tough nut to crack |
| 02:38.44 | NaCl | ThinkPadX200: how much are you willing to learn? |
| 02:38.44 | ThinkPadX200 | I tried slackware first |
| 02:38.46 | DTinux | I'd say I'm a slacky, but I'm using kubuntu right now so... |
| 02:38.51 | ThinkPadX200 | and gave up on linux for 2 years |
| 02:38.53 | NaCl | I use Slackware. |
| 02:39.02 | DTinux | zipslack was my start, loved it |
| 02:39.04 | ThinkPadX200 | it was so difficult |
| 02:39.08 | ThinkPadX200 | but |
| 02:39.12 | ThinkPadX200 | i had a rare wireless card |
| 02:39.17 | ThinkPadX200 | and after 2 1/2 months trying to get it to work |
| 02:39.19 | ThinkPadX200 | i had to give up |
| 02:39.25 | DTinux | nice thing is that you always know exactly what is going on in your system with slackware |
| 02:39.27 | NaCl | ThinkPadX200: answer my question. If you don't want to learn a lot, you may want to use ubuntu. |
| 02:39.33 | ThinkPadX200 | I want to learn lots |
| 02:39.38 | ThinkPadX200 | part of why im switching |
| 02:39.43 | ThinkPadX200 | I hated ubuntu |
| 02:39.45 | ThinkPadX200 | too dumbed down |
| 02:39.47 | NaCl | Ok, then. |
| 02:39.49 | DTinux | debian manages so much for you...and if you personalize a lot it breaks and you really have to troubleshoot |
| 02:39.58 | ThinkPadX200 | I just expected something like brightness to just work... seems so critical to a laptop |
| 02:40.01 | ThinkPadX200 | SO its a bit of a shock |
| 02:40.06 | NaCl | ThinkPadX200: mess around with it. |
| 02:40.16 | DTinux | yeah, laptops rarely just work with linux distros |
| 02:40.24 | NaCl | Mine did, which was amazing |
| 02:40.26 | DTinux | modems and wlan are generally fun |
| 02:40.30 | DTinux | that is amazing |
| 02:40.45 | NaCl | I had to install video drivers, but that is easy |
| 02:40.47 | ThinkPadX200 | My sound worked out of the box and I followed a guide to update my kernel and add some stuff |
| 02:40.53 | ThinkPadX200 | and got my wireless working by some miracle |
| 02:40.56 | ThinkPadX200 | in just 10 minutes |
| 02:41.01 | ThinkPadX200 | but This brightness is the final critical issue |
| 02:41.04 | NaCl | I personally would not mess with the kernel in debian. |
| 02:41.09 | NaCl | But that is just me. |
| 02:41.11 | DTinux | it took me about two years to fix my wireless |
| 02:41.14 | ThinkPadX200 | had to update it to support my wifi chipset |
| 02:41.29 | DTinux | yeah, I break debian/kubuntu/ubuntu on average 2 weeks after install |
| 02:41.33 | NaCl | I got cards from companies that made it easy. :P |
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| 02:42.22 | NaCl | ThinkPadX200: FWIW, atheros and intel are your friend in that regard. |
| 02:42.24 | DTinux | even my old eee, which came with weirdo linux on it was hard to get wlan and brightness controls going when I eeebuntu'd |
| 02:43.24 | DTinux | yeah, only in the last year or so that most distros support atheros out of box...broadcoms still very sketchy |
| 02:43.34 | NaCl | ThinkPadX200: I can't really help much myself, unfortunately, all I can say is "good luck, have fun." :) |
| 02:44.00 | NaCl | DTinux: even then, madwifi worked most of the time |
| 02:44.17 | DTinux | yeah, I went mad doing wifi |
| 02:44.27 | DTinux | err, did madwifi |
| 02:45.20 | DTinux | after doing those silly native windows driver things, which almost never supported 64bit, for a few years |
| 02:45.47 | ThinkPadX200 | #%@#@ madwifi |
| 02:45.54 | ThinkPadX200 | spent 2 weeks trying to get it to work |
| 02:46.05 | ThinkPadX200 | im just happy my x200 has intel 5100 and i got it working easily |
| 02:46.38 | NaCl | ThinkPadX200: that is no longer the case, Atheros drivers are in the kernel now. |
| 02:49.04 | DTinux | is still experiencing ndiswrapper flashbacks |
| 02:50.49 | NaCl | Fortunately, I never had to do that. |
| 02:51.06 | DTinux | Even with all that, I seriously am reconsidering a move back to kde 3...finding configuration stuff for kde 4 is overwhelming |
| 02:52.06 | DTinux | yeah, it is nice now that they actually sell some laptops that are usable from initial install... |
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| 02:53.09 | ThinkPadX200 | w000t |
| 02:53.12 | ThinkPadX200 | problems keep racking up |
| 02:53.18 | ThinkPadX200 | just disovered I cant wake from sleep |
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| 02:55.20 | DTinux | yeah, I never mastered that one or hibernation...very buggy |
| 02:56.56 | DTinux | think NaCl is right, you're having some power management interface issues |
| 02:58.06 | ThinkPadX200 | id be happy if i could just turn the brightness down from max |
| 02:58.24 | DTinux | don't suppose IBM support site has driver downloads for linux? hehe |
| 02:58.24 | ThinkPadX200 | looks like i need thinkpad-acpi and tpb |
| 02:58.31 | ThinkPadX200 | im gonna just try installing both and hope for the best |
| 02:58.39 | ThinkPadX200 | probably 100s of config files ill need to edit |
| 02:58.44 | ThinkPadX200 | commands i need to type i have no idea the meaning of |
| 02:58.44 | ThinkPadX200 | etc |
| 02:58.46 | ThinkPadX200 | =\ |
| 02:58.57 | ThinkPadX200 | (im slightly bitter atm) |
| 02:59.20 | DTinux | IBM does specialize in supercomputers / server clusters, right? so should have some sort of *nix stuff |
| 02:59.29 | DTinux | documentation at least |
| 03:00.43 | NaCl | They don't suspend. :P |
| 03:01.10 | DTinux | haha |
| 03:01.11 | MrRat | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/power-management-guide.xml |
| 03:02.01 | MrRat | There are specific thinkpad mentions |
| 03:02.11 | NaCl | Gentoo has good resources. |
| 03:02.17 | alban_ | hi all |
| 03:02.38 | alban_ | what's the status of using Kontact with an MS Exchange server now ? |
| 03:02.41 | Fersure | gentoo annoys me. |
| 03:03.04 | MrRat | as well as there is IBM ThinkPad Laptop Extras in kernel |
| 03:03.05 | DTinux | yeah, I was bitter on my last laptop (hp), too...not only didn't have linux info/drivers/compatible hardware, but also never released 64bit drivers for vista even though it was a 64 bit computer with a giant vista compatible logo on it |
| 03:04.49 | MrRat | linux run on anything :) |
| 03:05.18 | NaCl | MrRat: yeah, there is. |
| 03:05.29 | NaCl | My suspicion is that his kernel may be too old. |
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| 03:06.49 | ThinkPadX200 | Theres some sort of thinkpad support in kde |
| 03:06.57 | DTinux | what version of debian are you running thinkpad? |
| 03:07.06 | ThinkPadX200 | but its all greyed out witha b unch of crap about, |
| 03:07.20 | ThinkPadX200 | "/dev/nvram and created mknod nodes and chmod stuff |
| 03:07.24 | ThinkPadX200 | all stuff i dont understand |
| 03:07.32 | ThinkPadX200 | 5.0 I think? |
| 03:07.33 | ThinkPadX200 | current |
| 03:10.18 | DTinux | you might want to try a live cd of kubuntu...it handled everything but my video straight off livecd before install |
| 03:11.04 | DTinux | of course, now I'm wondering why I can't figure out something as simple as how to make my battery icon in KDE panel smaller |
| 03:12.01 | ThinkPadX200 | I could have sworn some of the live usb distros ive been trying my brightness controls worked |
| 03:12.06 | ThinkPadX200 | My thinklight works right now, fwiw |
| 03:12.10 | DTinux | kubuntu is debian too, but more frequent releases (not as stable or well documented as ubuntu) |
| 03:12.41 | DTinux | but I can't stand gnome, no matter how big my battery icon gets in kde |
| 03:13.06 | ThinkPadX200 | I much prefer kde |
| 03:13.11 | ThinkPadX200 | gnome is too macos for me |
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| 03:13.23 | Fersure | actually |
| 03:13.31 | Fersure | the docs for kubuntu are getting better |
| 03:13.38 | Fersure | there's a kubuntu wiki and such now |
| 03:13.41 | DTinux | yeah, they've improved a ton lately |
| 03:13.46 | Fersure | yup :> |
| 03:14.10 | Fersure | I'm only sticking with Kubuntu until Squeeze is released. |
| 03:14.20 | DTinux | kubuntu it will catch up as new linux users, mostly by way of ubuntu, find out there are other window managers |
| 03:14.45 | Fersure | yup. |
| 03:14.54 | DTinux | I'm just going through a kubuntu transition because I wasn't real happy with slack 13...tempted to go back to slack 12.2 though...I miss kde 3.5 to be honest |
| 03:14.55 | Fersure | CrunchBang is nice too for old machines. |
| 03:15.13 | DTinux | and the tiny panel icons I could configure easily |
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| 03:16.30 | DTinux | if anyone notices a tiny panel icon trend, I really need help making my battery small, it has been driving me nuts, it is wasting so much space on my panel! grrr |
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| 03:18.57 | DTinux | for that matter, wouldn't mind shrinking the desktops icons and indicator icon and device notifier icon |
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| 03:19.52 | ThinkPadX200 | Ok so it says that the thinkpad-acpi is built into newer kernels |
| 03:19.58 | ThinkPadX200 | no idea how to activate//use//find it |
| 03:20.57 | ThinkPadX200 | How do i search the entire machine for it? |
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| 03:24.55 | acidtripper | hey |
| 03:25.09 | acidtripper | i have an intel x3100 can someone give me a hand to make compositor faster? |
| 03:25.10 | DTinux | look for info on option CONFIG_ACPI_IBM |
| 03:25.18 | acidtripper | i cant appreciate gelly windows |
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| 03:26.16 | ThinkPadX200 | hMM |
| 03:26.24 | ThinkPadX200 | I just went to my /etc/acpi folder |
| 03:26.42 | ThinkPadX200 | Theres things in here, thinkpad-brightness-down.sh, brightness up, lock or battery, etc |
| 03:26.53 | ThinkPadX200 | not sure where to go from here though |
| 03:26.55 | ThinkPadX200 | ill try opening one |
| 03:26.58 | ThinkPadX200 | see whats inside |
| 03:27.56 | acidtripper | someone? |
| 03:28.32 | DTinux | could also be related to option thinkpad_acpi , depending on your kernel version |
| 03:29.03 | DTinux | that would be interesting |
| 03:29.32 | DTinux | you would run it as something like ./thinkpad-brightness-down.sh if it is set as executable |
| 03:31.40 | DTinux | its a script, so you can also explore it with a text editor to see if it has option variables you can set |
| 03:31.51 | ThinkPadX200 | its got all kinds of sdtuff inside |
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| 03:35.43 | DTinux | have you seen this? http://sourceforge.net/projects/ibm-acpi/ |
| 03:36.02 | ThinkPadX200 | yes but |
| 03:36.12 | ThinkPadX200 | Im afraid to try to install somnething without apt-get |
| 03:36.17 | ThinkPadX200 | Havent had much luck in the past |
| 03:36.33 | ThinkPadX200 | Or even how to use it, if i get it installed |
| 03:36.36 | acidtripper | no one experienced same issue? kde slow effects? |
| 03:36.52 | acidtripper | is there any thing to add on xorg.conf or something? |
| 03:36.58 | DTinux | ahh, with linux, almost always have to go beyond package manager...of course that may be why I always destroy my debian distros |
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| 03:37.44 | DTinux | don't know acid, does sound like a video issue |
| 03:39.13 | acidtripper | yes, closely related... i would like to know if there is any tip on configuration to make them work better. |
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| 03:41.01 | ThinkPadX200 | "The ibm-acpi driver is part of the Linux kernel 2.6.10 and later " |
| 03:41.06 | ThinkPadX200 | Sounds like i might already have it? |
| 03:41.10 | ThinkPadX200 | I have 2.6.30 i think |
| 03:41.17 | DTinux | hmm |
| 03:41.44 | DTinux | "As of kernel 2.6.27 the thinkpad-acpi bay and dock drivers should no longer be used. Instead use the standard ACPI bay and dock drivers. As of kernel 2.6.31 the thinkpad-acpi bay and dock drivers have been removed completely." |
| 03:42.18 | ThinkPadX200 | I think those are for the ultrabase though right |
| 03:42.27 | ThinkPadX200 | I dont have a dock |
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| 03:43.39 | DTinux | yeah, I am thinking though that they're really changing the thinkpad portion of the kernel with every release right now |
| 03:44.18 | DTinux | makes it hard to figure which exact stuff applies to a specific kernel |
| 03:45.45 | ThinkPadX200 | I see references to using acpid |
| 03:46.19 | ThinkPadX200 | This really seems like quite a difficult problem though |
| 03:46.35 | ThinkPadX200 | I might need to write scripts to launch events etc, I'm not sure its doable by a newbie |
| 03:46.37 | DTinux | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Thinkpad-acpi |
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| 03:49.37 | DTinux | probably will work 'out of the box' on next debian release |
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| 03:50.21 | ThinkPadX200 | Isnt there even a way to do it sans function keys |
| 03:50.31 | ThinkPadX200 | Id be fine just with a software slider but I dont even have that |
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| 03:53.22 | DTinux | I would think kde power management should pick up on it if you successfully enable the kernel option thinkpad_acpi |
| 03:53.54 | lmurray | pinotree: RE: Klaus_Dieter's "WM is loaded to late" bug: Is there a b.k.o URL? |
| 03:54.18 | whoever | oneforall: just to give clousr on the dvd9,, it turns out that the discs won't even get recognised(off brand), and i did get mkisofs to work |
| 03:54.21 | lmurray | WM's are supposed to be able to handle existing windows so it sounds like a WM bug |
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| 03:58.20 | oneforall | blank disc or the movie dvd disc ? |
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| 04:50.01 | Raydiation | hi where can i set the preferences for window tabbing? |
| 04:50.45 | whoever | does anyone know of a good linux disto to sugest for use with a por internet connection ? well even is there any, it seem as all are now all rolling distros |
| 04:51.48 | whoever | Raydiation: systemm settings> keyboard |
| 04:52.41 | whoever | anyone .. confirm my assertion or tel me i am on crack |
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| 04:55.55 | Raydiation | whoever: id say the choice of your desktop/apps defines how much your conn is used |
| 04:56.25 | Raydiation | if you dont want too much updates take debian |
| 04:58.02 | ThinkPadX200 | DTinux: still around? |
| 04:58.57 | whoever | Raydiation: i was asked by an acointance and thaey have a por internet connection at best .. |
| 04:59.28 | whoever | so still deb , what about ubuntu |
| 05:00.24 | whoever | nn all thx for help |
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| 05:03.18 | Raydiation | whoever: pretty good, comes with nice software catalog, frequent updates though |
| 05:03.40 | Raydiation | defenitely choice nr 1 for inexperienced users |
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| 05:07.02 | DTinux | yeah |
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| 06:03.17 | ilj | hi |
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| 06:05.14 | ilj | kde 4.3, debian testing. no shadows for active windows. i love big fuzzy ones. much like apple offers in mac os x. the deal is that even though shadows are configurable in kde 4.3 it seems this setting is only applied to context menus, tooltips etc. but not the windows itselves. the windows have ... |
| 06:05.20 | ilj | ... small blue shadow/glowing around them and that's it. is it normal? i want windows with shadows :] |
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| 06:29.45 | Fersure | ilj: you mean in compositing, right? |
| 06:30.19 | Fersure | well I'm not sure. o.o |
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| 06:42.38 | ilj | Fersure, correct |
| 06:42.59 | ilj | for instance yakuake window doesn't get even a 1px shadow |
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| 06:43.23 | ilj | even though kwin (or whatever it's called now) is configured to show off big fuzzy shadows :( |
| 06:44.19 | lmurray | ilj: For decorated window shadows you need to modify Oxygen options |
| 06:45.03 | lmurray | System settings, appearance, windows |
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| 06:51.43 | ilj | no settings for shadows/blue glowing (Oxygen, Ozone :( ) |
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| 06:58.06 | lmurray | ilj: Oh, you're running an old version of KDE. Upgade :P |
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| 07:09.54 | ilj | lmurray, no, I run 4.3 and I think if figured it out. It's just that Oxygen and Ozone do not favor this setting. I installed Besping and voila my big fuzzy shadows (kiss-kiss-kiss <33333333) are there all around the windows! xD |
| 07:10.06 | ilj | Bespin * |
| 07:10.37 | lmurray | ilj: 4.3 is old now |
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| 08:39.23 | Rasi | hmm |
| 08:39.47 | Rasi | is it possible to let the notification popups show linebreaks? |
| 08:40.00 | Rasi | e.g. notify-send bla "blub\n bla\n" |
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| 08:41.26 | Rasi | ilj: http://omploader.org/vM21mdA |
| 08:41.39 | Rasi | oxygen settings module has an option to change the color |
| 08:41.42 | Rasi | at least in 4.4 |
| 08:41.44 | thiago_home | notify-send is not a KDE app |
| 08:41.53 | Rasi | i know that |
| 08:42.01 | thiago_home | but what happens if you embed the newline? |
| 08:42.15 | Rasi | how do you mean? |
| 08:42.27 | thiago_home | but the newlines in the string |
| 08:42.29 | thiago_home | what happens? |
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| 08:42.48 | thiago_home | s/but/put/ |
| 08:42.54 | Rasi | give an example pls |
| 08:43.05 | thiago_home | notify-send bla "one |
| 08:43.06 | thiago_home | two" |
| 08:43.09 | Rasi | ah |
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| 08:44.07 | Rasi | nice that works |
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| 08:44.34 | thiago_home | you may make it easier for you by saving a newline in $n |
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| 08:44.53 | Rasi | lemme see if that works |
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| 08:45.57 | Rasi | hmm no |
| 08:46.05 | Rasi | variables are simply ignored inside of the " " |
| 08:47.03 | Rasi | ah well... visually a real linebreak sucks, but at least it works |
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| 08:48.59 | DarkriftX | anyone awake in here? |
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| 08:50.35 | Daughain | You kidz now the kde-look site is down? |
| 08:52.00 | DarkriftX | seems to be |
| 08:52.06 | DarkriftX | i tried to go there and it wont load |
| 08:52.24 | DarkriftX | i need some plasmoids that show network traffic, and the default one is very bare |
| 08:52.44 | Daughain | I'm trying to find something that wil give me a sys temp......So far nothing is working. |
| 08:52.55 | DarkriftX | i found one, but again, very bare |
| 08:53.00 | Daughain | PLasmoid or karamba, I dont care. |
| 08:53.04 | DarkriftX | big huge box to show a small number |
| 08:53.09 | Daughain | lol |
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| 08:53.18 | DarkriftX | do karamba widgets work in kde 4.4? |
| 08:53.29 | Daughain | I'm using kde 4.3.2 |
| 08:53.30 | DarkriftX | it only lets me load external "Plasmoids" |
| 08:53.31 | Mamarok | Daughain: systemmonitor widget? |
| 08:53.33 | DarkriftX | oh, i c |
| 08:53.39 | Daughain | Mamarok: Nope. |
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| 08:53.53 | cb400f | .. maybe you need to install and set up the sensors then |
| 08:54.02 | Daughain | cb400f: Been there.... |
| 08:54.24 | Daughain | lmsensors, wmsensors, hddtemp..... |
| 08:54.27 | cb400f | you have output from 'sensors' in konsole, but still the temp system monitor plasmoid won't work? |
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| 08:54.57 | Daughain | Nope. |
| 08:55.08 | Daughain | says 'no sensors found'. |
| 08:55.34 | Mamarok | Daughain: well, you must change your ACPI settings, then, there sure are sensors |
| 08:56.07 | Daughain | Th entertaining part is the cpu fan has a fourth wire for speed control, and hot-girl from the medibuntu repos *does* work.....It just freezes the system when it runs... =( |
| 08:56.25 | Daughain | Mamarok: Got a ink to tell me how-to?? |
| 08:56.31 | Daughain | Link even? |
| 08:57.20 | Mamarok | Daughain: my first idea would be in the system settings -> advanced tab -> Power management |
| 08:58.12 | DarkriftX | ok, how do i find the "oxygen system monitor" ? |
| 08:58.20 | DarkriftX | i dont see it listed in the default 4.4 widget list |
| 08:58.26 | DarkriftX | but it seems to be what I need |
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| 09:00.21 | pinotree | lmurray: hm, look at the ksmserver bugs |
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| 09:43.56 | trumee | guys, i tried doing sftp within dolphin but it gives an error "host key for server changed" |
| 09:44.05 | trumee | and it doesnt let me login |
| 09:44.15 | trumee | funny thing it ssh from console works perfect |
| 09:44.33 | trumee | is there any way to refresh dolphin ssh cache |
| 09:44.42 | cb400f | try fish:/ instead |
| 09:45.11 | trumee | cb400f: yup, that works |
| 09:45.36 | trumee | cb400f: thanks. |
| 09:46.09 | cb400f | np |
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| 09:48.38 | Mooby-fr | isn't fish deprecated ? |
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| 09:53.38 | cb400f | don't think so.. there was a period when it was buggy and sftp was recommended.. but I think fish got fixed |
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| 10:40.38 | WaltzingAlong | sftp:// still seems to work better for me than fish:// |
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| 10:48.17 | sxe | can someone tell me in which config file the manually added kmenu elements are stored? |
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| 10:49.01 | Granjow | Good morning |
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| 10:49.11 | sxe | hi Granjow |
| 10:49.24 | Granjow | Could you help me compiling libkexiv2? Or at least finding the libkexiv2 repo? ;) |
| 10:49.27 | Granjow | hey sxe |
| 10:49.55 | sxe | sry i'm configuring my system at the moment.. :) |
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| 10:50.59 | krop | libkexiv2 is in kdegraphics |
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| 11:03.14 | kriko | phonon doesn't have pusleaudio backend? |
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| 11:04.31 | cb400f | kriko: there's some integration in 4.4 |
| 11:04.41 | cb400f | look at colin guthrie's blog |
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| 11:07.25 | kriko | tnx |
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| 11:13.43 | alancio | is there any way to build KDE 4.4 without the semantic desktop crap? |
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| 11:14.33 | balticer | USE="-semantic-desktop" ... oh wait, works with gentoo only ;-) |
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| 11:14.57 | alancio | gentoo has a solution? where is the patch? |
| 11:15.41 | balticer | don't know, take a look into the ebuilds |
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| 11:16.58 | Granjow | krop: Thanks, found. Now I would like to rebuild libkexiv2 with libexiv2 from SVN. I've installed libexiv2 to /usr/local/lib, what is the correct way to build and install libkexiv2 now? |
| 11:17.30 | alancio | but how long will this patch work? if the developers want to push it down our throats, they will do so in KDE 4.5 or 4.6 |
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| 11:18.51 | alancio | I even opened a a bug/wish for this, and it was closed right away |
| 11:18.54 | alancio | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227632 |
| 11:19.43 | krop | I wonder who reopened it |
| 11:19.47 | krop | let's close that again |
| 11:20.20 | alancio | nice |
| 11:20.52 | alancio | gotta love the community |
| 11:20.56 | krop | I already explained it in this report: nepomuk is not an option |
| 11:21.05 | balticer | alancio: check for Soprano and/or SharedDesktopOntologies for the semantic-desktop stuff |
| 11:21.34 | WaltzingAlong | krop: and the report was a wishlist item asking for it to be made optional |
| 11:21.46 | krop | WaltzingAlong: nonsense, it won't happen |
| 11:22.17 | WaltzingAlong | well that is quite different than the merit of a wishlist item in itself |
| 11:22.48 | krop | what do you prefer ? having a rotting wish report ? |
| 11:23.35 | alancio | I would prefer a sensible response after thinking it over |
| 11:23.50 | krop | I gave you an answer. |
| 11:24.22 | krop | kaddressbook requires nepomuk in KDE 4.4, and more applications will require it in 4.5 |
| 11:24.22 | WaltzingAlong | the current design requires these components, i get it |
| 11:25.22 | alancio | I guess I'll have to stick to 4.3.5, or go back to 3.5.10 then |
| 11:25.52 | cb400f | try disabling strigi, and just let nepomuk run |
| 11:25.52 | alancio | too bad, I liked the rest of the changes |
| 11:26.12 | cb400f | it won't be heavy on the system then |
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| 11:26.43 | WaltzingAlong | alancio: which is an option you have |
| 11:26.54 | alancio | yeah but it misses the point of not building all this stuff for nothing |
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| 11:27.36 | cb400f | I thought building stuff for no good reason was the point of source based distros :-) |
| 11:27.45 | cb400f | stops trolling |
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| 11:28.14 | alancio | some people build stuff to have exactly what they want, like a lean installation, which looks impossible with KDE 4 |
| 11:29.02 | krop | you're free to not build kdepimlibs and kdepim |
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| 11:30.02 | alancio | unfortunately, I still have to build all of this, not for me, but for my distro |
| 11:30.09 | alancio | because I |
| 11:30.23 | alancio | because I'm the packager of KDE for my distro |
| 11:30.33 | krop | fine, then also build nepomuk. |
| 11:30.59 | alancio | or maybe I'll just skip KDE 4 and wait for KDE 5 :P |
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| 11:33.57 | alancio | well I guess my opinion isn't too important anyway, so good night |
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| 11:35.10 | WaltzingAlong | how does one merge contacts in kaddressbook? |
| 11:35.39 | WaltzingAlong | with previous versions multiple contacts could be selected, then 'merge' from the one menu. i no longer find any such feature |
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| 11:51.13 | saft | WaltzingAlong: I had a semilar problem a simple workaround is to set shortkeys ^^ |
| 11:51.20 | WaltzingAlong | saft: thanks |
| 11:51.30 | saft | I have other bugs I'm playing with... so I havend checked this one yet |
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| 12:14.23 | ssa | hi how to move with widgets on panel ? |
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| 12:14.52 | cb400f | unlock widgets.. then click on the cashew to the right to open panel configuration dialog |
| 12:14.59 | WaltzingAlong | ssa: unlock the widgets. ... ^^ |
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| 12:18.37 | ssa | they are unlocked |
| 12:18.41 | ssa | but didnt work |
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| 12:21.25 | ssa | btw what widget is called where appliacation stays minimalized |
| 12:21.27 | ssa | ? |
| 12:22.19 | cb400f | ssa: _two_ steps.. unlock _and_ open panel configuration dialog |
| 12:22.24 | cb400f | feels ignored |
| 12:22.35 | ssa | cb400f: i cant move it |
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| 12:31.56 | gnumdk | Hello |
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| 12:32.39 | untitled | hi, how can I disable file indexing in kde? |
| 12:32.59 | gnumdk | in systemsettings -> Advanced -> nepomuk |
| 12:33.29 | gnumdk | i've got a strange problem with kde web browser, after some time browsing the web, my mouse pointer is a "hand" (instead of left_ptr) when i move it over toolbar... This bug happen with arora, rekonq, konqueror (with khtml and webkit) |
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| 12:35.42 | untitled | thanks |
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| 12:52.05 | ssa | what is name for bar where minimalized applications goes ? when i click to minimize it just dissappear |
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| 12:52.26 | cb400f | taskbar |
| 12:53.32 | ssa | thank you |
| 12:55.25 | ssa | anyone can help me with integration of pidgin gtk aplications to qt scheme ? |
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| 12:58.43 | mauri | I have a problem starting "kdesudo dolphin" ...the process for file protocoll died inaspectately |
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| 13:06.25 | moubarak | Hello. Quick question:Changing number of multiple desktops reverts back to default as soon as I close the preference window. Any idea as to why? |
| 13:06.32 | moubarak | Thanks in advance.. |
| 13:06.51 | WaltzingAlong | mauri: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/506361 |
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| 13:08.10 | moubarak | Anyone? |
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| 13:09.24 | WaltzingAlong | moubarak: kde or kdesc version? referring to virtual desktops? where are you setting the number? |
| 13:09.40 | WaltzingAlong | mauri: kdesc44? system settings / desktop / multiple desktops ? |
| 13:09.41 | mauri | WaltzingAlong: tnk a lot |
| 13:09.47 | WaltzingAlong | moubarak: kdesc44? system settings / desktop / multiple desktops ? |
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| 13:10.13 | mauri | WaltzingAlong: are you refering to me? |
| 13:10.20 | moubarak | From the KDE control center.. I have KDE 3.5.10 |
| 13:10.24 | WaltzingAlong | mauri: sorry that last one was for moubarak |
| 13:10.38 | WaltzingAlong | moubarak: using compiz or something similar? |
| 13:10.45 | moubarak | Yes. |
| 13:10.59 | moubarak | Compiz. |
| 13:11.06 | WaltzingAlong | moubarak: then there is a setting in compiz for the number of desktops, as far as i know |
| 13:12.00 | WaltzingAlong | moubarak: also try in #compiz then |
| 13:12.02 | moubarak | Wellm that setting is limited to one;can't be changed. So, I tried increasing the number from KDE control center so that I would be able to do so from compiz. |
| 13:12.10 | moubarak | I just came from compiz :P |
| 13:12.32 | WaltzingAlong | moubarak: ;) ok well i think there is a setting in compiz for setting the desktops |
| 13:13.02 | moubarak | That setting is limited to one..I can't change it..Thanks anyways: I'll see what I can do.. |
| 13:13.21 | pinotree | compiz uses a different concept of "virtual desktops", which maps to always 1 virtual desktop |
| 13:13.47 | pinotree | so if you use compiz, you have to use compiz tools, ask in #compiz-fusion for more |
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| 13:17.04 | ian| | Hi everybody! :-) Im searching for a simple way to copy my addressbook's content to my mobile phone. |
| 13:17.26 | ian| | What's needed to do this? I can't find any good application for this?! |
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| 13:41.18 | geo27 | People : hi ! I've just fallen on this wish report : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=556021 and even though it doesn't apply to kde (and konsole), don't you think it would be a good thing to apply to konsole also ? |
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| 13:57.09 | Columbo0815 | hi.. i use kde4.4.0 on archlinux. i want to start kde4 in the netbook-mode. so i configured that and then configured that kde start manually a saved session. |
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| 13:57.30 | Columbo0815 | but i cant save the session. there is no "button". it looks like http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155341 but this bug is marked as closed |
| 13:57.45 | Columbo0815 | how can i start kde automatically in "netbook-mode"? |
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| 13:58.50 | Columbo0815 | i see: every time i close the systemconfiguration, and reenter it, it is configured as "desktop" not as "netbook"?! |
| 13:59.11 | cb400f | select "netbook" in systemsettings -> desktop -> workspace .. and start kde as you always would? |
| 13:59.36 | Columbo0815 | i do so.. but every time i start kde, it start with "desktop" |
| 13:59.39 | cb400f | starting kde automatically shouldn't be any different regardless of using netbook or desktop mode |
| 14:01.01 | Columbo0815 | its really crazy... i select netbook, close the config and start it again. and "desktop" is back |
| 14:02.21 | Columbo0815 | next try.. i delete ~/.kde4 and try it again :) but.. its a clean and new installation |
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| 14:06.23 | Columbo0815 | no change.. :( |
| 14:12.45 | WaltzingAlong | geo27: seems appropriate |
| 14:13.41 | WaltzingAlong | geo27: do the kde hig specs suggest something similar? |
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| 14:16.21 | Columbo0815 | even when i go back to the Summarymenu of systemsettings (after i configured netbook) and then go back to desktop, workspace, "desktop" is back |
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| 14:46.16 | jjsg82 | hi to all, |
| 14:46.17 | jjsg82 | i made a full install from debian sources with kde-full, and when startkde show me an error message "$DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server" thanks and sorry for my poor english |
| 14:48.23 | geo27 | WaltzingAlong: I don't know anything more about this than what I've pointed out from this wish. I've just thought that this was indeed a good point and wanted to share it with people here who do the job for kde. |
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| 14:48.56 | annma | bangarang is already shiped by your distro? |
| 14:49.28 | bitshuffler | no. we packaged it and put it in a community repo - it's 1.0.1 atm |
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| 14:52.15 | bitshuffler | e.g. now I added a folder and stuff is listed in "Video Clips" but how to add / sort it into Movies & TV Shows it plain beyond me |
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| 14:58.26 | bitshuffler | facepalms |
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| 14:58.56 | bitshuffler | in case anyone asks again, you can do that by selecting a movie and then clicking on the tiny info button in the top right corner |
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| 15:05.50 | d34df00d | Hi! |
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| 15:06.26 | d34df00d | Is this channel a suitable one to ask KDE devs about not exactly KDE-related problems but about some Qt stuff they sure came over? |
| 15:06.45 | d34df00d | I know this is a KDE channel but hope that there some kind of spirit of collaboration and such :) |
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| 15:09.01 | d34df00d | So, in any case, I can't XEmbed widget from one app into another. It's QX11EmbedWidget and Container, respectively. xprop'ing the widget (I debug its winId) after it is embed results in "Bad Window" error. |
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| 15:09.15 | d34df00d | It takes place on my layout with container, but it's completely transparent. |
| 15:09.28 | pinotree | d34df00d: #qt |
| 15:09.36 | d34df00d | pinotree: they are all silent there. |
| 15:09.49 | pinotree | asked 5 minutes ago? |
| 15:09.50 | d34df00d | pinotree: I've asked them on random days for a month or two, but no luck. |
| 15:10.13 | pinotree | try using the qt mailing lists |
| 15:10.41 | d34df00d | Hm, seems like a good idea. |
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| 15:28.26 | do0ob | You guys seriously need better wallpaper on your youtube site, it sucks, you can't tile non-tileable images |
| 15:29.38 | Half-Left | yep |
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| 15:34.18 | WaltzingAlong | ah but it appears non-tileable images can be tiled. perhaps doing so illustrates, however, why it should not be done |
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| 17:15.51 | Jonathan_L | How do I kill invisible plasmaoids? I suspect a few of them is leaching CPU power |
| 17:16.23 | saft | ctrl+esc |
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| 17:16.46 | thiago_home | that would kill plasma |
| 17:16.52 | Jonathan_L | I've had plasmoids going invisible before. The plasmoid adding thingy says they're running. The old desk space crashed, while the plasmoids where running. And they stayed invisible |
| 17:16.54 | thiago_home | and when restarting it, the plasmoid would be back |
| 17:17.05 | Jonathan_L | So they start every time I log in, but invisible |
| 17:17.26 | Jonathan_L | is there something like pkill for plasmoids? :) |
| 17:17.26 | thiago_home | 4.4 or 4.3? |
| 17:17.43 | Jonathan_L | 4.4, backported on Ubuntu 9.10 (I've had it with 4.3 too) |
| 17:17.53 | saft | but he would see if they are realy leaching cpu power |
| 17:17.56 | thiago_home | with 4.3 you could click on the minus sign in the plasmoid list |
| 17:18.28 | Jonathan_L | saft: They're not really killing my CPU, but there's a few of them (~15-20) |
| 17:18.43 | Jonathan_L | I know that, I can't find that now |
| 17:18.48 | Jonathan_L | No way to wipe them |
| 17:19.44 | Jonathan_L | Why can't KDE detect invisible plasmoids and ask the user if they should be made visible or removed? |
| 17:19.56 | Jonathan_L | (or something like it) |
| 17:20.08 | saft | tryed the "show dashboard"? |
| 17:20.08 | thiago_home | because there aren't supposed to be any |
| 17:20.11 | annma | they shoudl not be invisible |
| 17:20.20 | thiago_home | why should Plasma detect something that should never happen? |
| 17:20.34 | saft | maybe they are on another desktop? |
| 17:20.45 | Jonathan_L | Why are there a bug reporting tool since there's not supposed to be bugs? |
| 17:20.56 | saft | :P |
| 17:21.01 | Jonathan_L | I've checked all visible desktop spaces |
| 17:21.22 | saft | have you ever tried to report a bug with the bugreporting tool? |
| 17:21.30 | Jonathan_L | Yes |
| 17:21.41 | Jonathan_L | A few crashes |
| 17:21.52 | Jonathan_L | are there a shortcut for showing the dashboard |
| 17:22.07 | saft | if you set one ^^ |
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| 17:23.07 | saft | but the dasboard is also a plasmoid |
| 17:23.26 | saft | so you can set it on your taskbar and klick on it |
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| 17:24.36 | tzanger | in KDE 4.3.2 how on earth does one get to the panel settings for things like background color/image etc? I just want a regular old single color panel for the taskbar/systray/etc at the bottom of the screen and I cannot find the setting |
| 17:24.38 | Jonathan_L | Didn't work |
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| 17:25.31 | Jonathan_L | And the dashboard's name in swedish is something like "instruments panel" |
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| 17:26.30 | Jonathan_L | So, are there other ways to wipe old plasmoids? |
| 17:27.26 | saft | i'm not sure... but wiping dashboard and creating new one? |
| 17:27.37 | Jonathan_L | ??? |
| 17:27.40 | Jonathan_L | How? |
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| 17:28.25 | saft | you can create more than one dashboard, create a new one and delete the old with the invisible apps |
| 17:28.36 | tzanger | arrrugh and kopete refuses to NOT give me popup notifications for incoming messages and stuff... I have CLEARLY said only sounds |
| 17:28.36 | Jonathan_L | ... |
| 17:28.44 | tzanger | I may need to blow away the kopete settings and try again |
| 17:29.46 | Jonathan_L | I tried wiping all "activities", wait ... |
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| 17:30.09 | saft | thats also a way... Jonathan_L you could delete your plasma settings |
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| 17:30.42 | Jonathan_L | Could using the desktop in folder mode do any difference? |
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| 17:31.49 | Jonathan_L | Nope, they're still there |
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| 17:32.15 | Jonathan_L | Is there a specific directory that I can "reset"? (would I have to log out and do it from Gnome?) |
| 17:32.27 | saft | no.. |
| 17:32.37 | saft | the settings are in you home folder |
| 17:32.44 | saft | maybe .kde or .kde4 |
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| 17:34.04 | Jonathan_L | BTW, I can't shut down my laptop from within KDE. Why? (I know it's gdm/kdm related) |
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| 17:34.25 | saft | o_O? |
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| 17:35.03 | Jonathan_L | I have to log out, then I can shut it down. VERY ennoying, particularly since istäs obviously a single-user PC |
| 17:35.06 | Jonathan_L | *it's |
| 17:35.45 | saft | it sounds more like a configprob by your distro |
| 17:36.09 | Jonathan_L | strange |
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| 17:38.01 | Jonathan_L | Another question: Who decided to make those eearch strings so user friendly? :P |
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| 17:38.31 | Jonathan_L | (in Dolphin, enter a search and watch the text field that appears) |
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| 17:38.57 | Jonathan_L | *search strings :) |
| 17:39.05 | tzanger | what would cause kopete to completely ignore my notification settings? |
| 17:39.13 | tzanger | I have incoming messgaes set to play a sound and flash the taskbar entry ONLY |
| 17:39.22 | tzanger | but yet it insists on popping up notifications with "View Ignore" |
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| 17:40.07 | uranium238 | Hey, I've got an interesting question. Why do tabbed windows appear as one when using "Present windows" effect and separately when using "Present windows" alt-tab switcher? |
| 17:40.28 | thiago_home | because they're different effects |
| 17:41.07 | Jonathan_L | I guess they're coded differently |
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| 17:41.22 | Jonathan_L | Maybe one is newer and detect tabbed windows |
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| 17:42.06 | Jonathan_L | ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-* ? |
| 17:42.38 | saft | sounds good ;) |
| 17:42.42 | JackWinter | how do i turn off debug output in kde 4.4, i run quite a few programs from the cli, and the output is beginning to bug me :) |
| 17:43.01 | Torch | JackWinter: kdebugdialog |
| 17:43.33 | JackWinter | Torch: thx |
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| 17:44.45 | Jonathan_L | I almost feel like wiping all those files, and then run a dpkg package fix |
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| 17:46.37 | Jonathan_L | plasma-desktoprc - [Applet Browser]\n.*\nused=.* ? (regexp :) |
| 17:47.28 | Jonathan_L | and in plasmarc |
| 17:47.56 | Jonathan_L | Or is that not the ones that is running? |
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| 18:05.05 | saft | found a nice bug... the mouse dissapears :D in konversation ;) |
| 18:05.17 | saft | when hovering the channels |
| 18:05.39 | annma | yes apparently it's a qt bug |
| 18:05.44 | annma | with Qt 4.6.2 I don't have it anymore |
| 18:06.11 | saft | i have the newest one installed |
| 18:06.37 | annma | surely not |
| 18:07.02 | saft | I do... |
| 18:07.04 | annma | type: qmake --version in a terminal |
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| 18:07.51 | annma | second line says: Using Qt version, what do youhave here |
| 18:07.56 | Sho_ | saft: Yeah that's a bug in Qt 4.6.0/1. It's not limited to Konversation either, often the cursor will disappear above the buddy list in Kopete, and other such cases. It indeed seems to be fixed in Qt 4.6.2. |
| 18:08.24 | scandic | i'm looking for a nice kde color scheme, can you advise one? |
| 18:08.33 | annma | saft: what Qt version? |
| 18:08.50 | annma | scandic: colors nicety depends on your taste |
| 18:08.53 | saft | I use gentoo with qt 4.6.2 |
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| 18:08.56 | annma | look at kde-look.org |
| 18:09.23 | scandic | is there any other site like kde-look.org |
| 18:09.31 | annma | scandic: no |
| 18:09.53 | iamringo87 | hey, so this is a really vague question, but I'm finding that my power settings don't work after having updated to KDE 4.4...my monitor no longer turns off after the specified amount of time... |
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| 18:09.54 | scandic | pity |
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| 18:10.28 | annma | saft: I don't have it since I upgraded to 4.6.2 |
| 18:10.35 | saft | hmm |
| 18:10.44 | annma | but in any case, it's Qt |
| 18:10.49 | annma | not Konversation |
| 18:10.51 | saft | ok thx |
| 18:10.59 | saft | will check it... |
| 18:12.35 | iamringo87 | no ideas? |
| 18:13.07 | annma | iamringo87: what evious KDE version? |
| 18:13.12 | annma | iamringo87: what previous KDE version? |
| 18:13.18 | iamringo87 | 4.3 |
| 18:13.39 | annma | should stay |
| 18:13.52 | annma | look in SYstemSettings, Advanced, Power Management |
| 18:14.12 | iamringo87 | yeah...I've done that, and no effect. i'll set it to go to sleep after a minute |
| 18:14.15 | iamringo87 | sit there for a minute |
| 18:14.19 | iamringo87 | and screen will stay on |
| 18:14.40 | iamringo87 | I've got the profile set to performance |
| 18:14.54 | iamringo87 | and in that I tell it to turn off the screen after a specified amount of time |
| 18:14.59 | iamringo87 | worked before the upgrade... |
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| 18:20.13 | iamringo87 | ya know, now that I think about it, my screensaver doesn't turn on either. I wonder if some background process is making the computer think it's still active? |
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| 18:27.16 | Jonathan_L | Are there no way to kill invisible plasmoids? |
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| 18:28.14 | reto` | can someone tell me how to improve the scrolling speed (for example when I use arrow keys or j/k)? |
| 18:28.23 | reto` | ehrm... in konqueror |
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| 18:41.57 | Ben | how to configure BSNL EVDO modem |
| 18:42.28 | massimo | Hi. Where are kontact identities stored? I copied kmail settings over but identities are lost.. |
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| 18:44.33 | thiago_home | massimo: ~/.kde/share/config/emailidentities |
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| 18:47.18 | massimo | thiago_home: thanks. |
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| 18:50.40 | massimo | As for kwallet from 3.5 to 4, is it better to export/import or just copy the file over? Is that .kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl ? |
| 18:50.52 | thiago_home | copy over |
| 18:51.00 | thiago_home | btw, there's no need to copy anything |
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| 18:51.10 | thiago_home | KDE 4 will just happily use most of the KDE 3 settings |
| 18:51.21 | thiago_home | (unless they're in a different machine, of course) |
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| 18:58.15 | massimo | thiago_home: I heard about that. But as for systemsetings and old kcontrol they are looking very different, same for color schemes in konsole and kate etc. |
| 18:58.30 | thiago_home | right |
| 18:58.35 | thiago_home | that's why I said "most" :-) |
| 18:59.32 | massimo | I fear ending with stale config entries. So for complex parts such as passwords and kontact identities I copy only parts and test them. |
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| 19:10.08 | pbunbun | I can't find the proxy settings in systemsettings... |
| 19:10.20 | pbunbun | Was in Network settings before |
| 19:10.30 | pbunbun | Would it have moved for some reason? |
| 19:10.50 | annma | in General,Networking Settings |
| 19:11.00 | annma | (or something approching as I am in French) |
| 19:11.51 | pbunbun | Yeah, not there it appears |
| 19:12.22 | annma | ask in your distro then |
| 19:12.32 | Mamarok | pbunbun: it still is there here, KDE didn't move it |
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| 19:22.11 | AziRST | what's new in kde-4.3.5? |
| 19:22.21 | AziRST | is it worthwhile to migrate from 4.3.3? |
| 19:22.36 | AziRST | is it faster? more stable? |
| 19:23.42 | Mamarok | AziRST: it brings bugfixess |
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| 19:24.05 | AziRST | so it's more stable? |
| 19:24.12 | thiago_home | yes |
| 19:24.18 | AziRST | but is it worthwhile to recompile ~500MB ? |
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| 19:28.08 | annma | recompile? |
| 19:28.15 | annma | isn't that your choice? |
| 19:28.29 | AziRST | i mean compile* |
| 19:28.35 | AziRST | upgrade from 4.3.3 to 4.3.5 |
| 19:28.39 | saft | gentoo user :P |
| 19:28.40 | annma | normal users "install" |
| 19:28.51 | pallgone | freebsd ftw ;) |
| 19:29.02 | AziRST | :) i haven'y said that i have gentoo |
| 19:29.02 | annma | 4.3.5 is a bug fix version of 4.3.3 |
| 19:29.06 | saft | gentoo user compile : |
| 19:29.17 | annma | so you'll gain a few bug fixes |
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| 19:29.36 | AziRST | maybe i will wait to 4.4... |
| 19:30.05 | AziRST | for* |
| 19:30.06 | annma | if you don't have any bugs that annoy you, you can keep 4.3.3 |
| 19:30.13 | AziRST | ok :P thanks |
| 19:30.24 | annma | 4.4.1 iq around the corner |
| 19:30.26 | annma | is |
| 19:30.38 | annma | so I advise you to wait for it instead of 4.4.0 |
| 19:30.49 | annma | a few stupid bugs were fixed |
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| 19:33.17 | AziRST | fucking...sometimes my kde apps like plasma or kvirc harms...i don't know how can i put it in english |
| 19:33.33 | AziRST | error pops out |
| 19:34.06 | AziRST | kde error :P i have forgot body of that message |
| 19:34.27 | saft | you should check your LANG setting |
| 19:34.46 | AziRST | but what exactly? |
| 19:35.10 | AziRST | how can it be dependent of lang? |
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| 19:35.34 | tdfischer | if you change your LANG setting, you can get the error in english |
| 19:35.42 | tdfischer | but thats not really related to the error |
| 19:35.42 | saft | yeah :D |
| 19:35.53 | AziRST | no :P there is partial translation :( |
| 19:36.04 | AziRST | and some errors are in polish but some are in eng |
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| 19:36.12 | AziRST | aaaaaa |
| 19:36.18 | saft | what LINGUAS flag do you have in you make.conf? |
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| 19:36.30 | AziRST | pl |
| 19:36.42 | saft | and thats what you want? |
| 19:36.42 | AziRST | LANG="pl_PL" |
| 19:36.45 | AziRST | yes |
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| 19:37.03 | AziRST | i can live with this errors |
| 19:37.06 | saft | and why do you wana have it in english? |
| 19:37.24 | AziRST | but i was scared when my plasma announce error |
| 19:37.32 | AziRST | i don't want |
| 19:37.36 | AziRST | why are you think that? |
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| 19:38.04 | AziRST | i should learn english... xD |
| 19:38.28 | saft | im confuse...<AziRST> fucking...sometimes my kde apps like plasma or kvirc harms...i don't know how can i put it in english ??? |
| 19:38.51 | AziRST | i said it "know how can i put it in english" about "harms" |
| 19:38.59 | AziRST | i meant about synonim of that |
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| 19:39.27 | AziRST | because it's not accurate word |
| 19:39.58 | saft | ah ok |
| 19:40.12 | pallgone | so... can anyone help me to make scrolling in konqueror faster? I've just discovered that it's quite well suited for keyboard browsing (having j/k scrolling) but it should advance faster |
| 19:40.12 | saft | there is a plasma translator ;D? |
| 19:40.28 | AziRST | ? i dont understand |
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| 19:42.04 | saft | AziRST: i gues there is a translation plasmoid, try that out ^^ |
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| 19:42.54 | AziRST | i'm using Infobot on GG(gadu-gadu - instant messager in poland). There is a dictionary |
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| 19:43.05 | saft | cool |
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| 19:43.50 | AziRST | but not every time i can put something in polish...so it's more hard in english then even with translator |
| 19:43.51 | saft | i would also like at least a dictionary in konversation, as in all other kde apps XD |
| 19:44.31 | AziRST | hehe i don't like translators |
| 19:45.04 | AziRST | i should evolve my english :P don't cut corners |
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| 19:45.45 | saft | yeah ^^; my english isn't so good anymore too XD was once better a few years ago XD |
| 19:45.56 | AziRST | like me :P |
| 19:46.00 | AziRST | where are you from? |
| 19:46.07 | saft | living in germany |
| 19:46.13 | AziRST | my neighbour ^^ |
| 19:46.19 | saft | yeah ^^; |
| 19:46.38 | AziRST | i have deutsch in school :D |
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| 19:46.55 | saft | schön ;) |
| 19:47.01 | saft | wieso XD? |
| 19:47.04 | AziRST | but i don't learn it totally xD |
| 19:47.29 | AziRST | i'm always use die spickzettel |
| 19:47.33 | AziRST | i* |
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| 19:47.50 | AziRST | der* xD |
| 19:48.00 | saft | good invention |
| 19:48.19 | saft | die spickzettel was right ;P |
| 19:48.38 | AziRST | ehhehe i had to read this word from spickzettel :D |
| 19:48.40 | AziRST | die? |
| 19:49.03 | AziRST | there is written "der" xD maybe my book sux :D i was writing from it |
| 19:49.03 | saft | yeah because singular and plural are equal here ;D |
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| 19:49.14 | AziRST | i dont know what are you talking:D |
| 19:49.41 | saft | die Spickzettel if you have a few, der Spickzettel if it is only one |
| 19:49.50 | AziRST | aaaaa :) |
| 19:49.53 | saft | as i gues you have a few from them die is right |
| 19:49.55 | AziRST | i get it :P |
| 19:50.02 | AziRST | i have few :) |
| 19:50.09 | AziRST | hehe |
| 19:50.28 | AziRST | there is no life with one |
| 19:51.13 | AziRST | ok i must go :P bye |
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| 19:51.17 | AziRST | sorry for waste of time |
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| 20:11.58 | feld | in kde4 how to i get it to now show running apps that aren't on the current desktop in the panel |
| 20:12.05 | feld | *to not show |
| 20:12.31 | annma | you mean in the taskbar? the thing in the panel? |
| 20:13.26 | feld | yeah |
| 20:13.27 | feld | correct |
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| 20:14.10 | annma | what kde version? |
| 20:14.23 | feld | 4.3.4 |
| 20:14.24 | annma | in kde 4.3 there's a seeting for that in the taskbar config dialog |
| 20:14.29 | annma | so you should have it |
| 20:14.35 | feld | where's the dialog at? |
| 20:14.48 | feld | i cant seem to locate the /settings/ for the taskbar in the panel |
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| 20:15.10 | thiago_home | right-click the empty space in the taskbar |
| 20:15.20 | thiago_home | space not covered by buttons of applications |
| 20:15.31 | annma | it's pretty difficult to bring it up to be frank |
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| 20:15.48 | feld | yeah i close windows and they expand |
| 20:15.53 | feld | so i have no more free space |
| 20:16.04 | thiago_home | click the cashew in the right |
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| 20:16.09 | thiago_home | then right-click anywhere in the taskbar |
| 20:16.28 | feld | got it now |
| 20:16.30 | feld | thanks |
| 20:16.46 | feld | i think that answers my questions there anyway :P |
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| 20:39.19 | DrSlony | Hey, I bought a Pantone Huey calibrator but I'm a bit lost as to what the best approach to using it in Linux is. Most guides are outdated. What programs do you recommend for creating a color profile using it, and how/where should I apply this profile to? I use KDE4 but also E17 so I'm guessing xorg.conf |
| 20:39.22 | automatical | hey guys, i've just upgraded my mandriva install to KDE4.4SC, It appears that I cannot edit files "live" using fish anymore, it simply opens up a blank untitled file, then plasma reports to have placed the downloaded file in a temp directory |
| 20:39.26 | automatical | any ideas? |
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| 21:26.32 | SigmaVirus24 | If I upgrade to 4.4 will that include the latest stable version of Amarok? |
| 21:26.49 | Half-Left | no |
| 21:26.51 | thiago_home | ask your distribution |
| 21:26.53 | pinotree | nope, amarok is not part of the kde releases |
| 21:26.59 | SigmaVirus24 | Ok just checking |
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| 21:51.03 | tzanger | hmm. can anyone tell me where on earth I can find where to set the panel background color/etc? I can size it, add crap to it, delete it, but I can't seem to get rid of this ridiculous background image that kubuntu has defaulted to |
| 21:51.30 | thiago_home | change the theme |
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| 22:02.52 | k23z__ | I wanted to say wmii is much better than your kde ... |
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| 22:03.04 | k23z__ | and won't ever use it |
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| 22:23.17 | Alumin | anybody else have trouble with fonts in KNotes? |
| 22:24.00 | Alumin | I can't get it to stay with my font setting, whenever I start it up all my notes are back in the original default font (I'm guessing it's some kind of KDE default instead of the KNotes configured font) |
| 22:24.34 | Alumin | plus, if I open a new note, then hit backspace, and start typing...it's in the wrong font (but if I just start typing it's fine) |
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| 22:25.15 | Alumin | oh...this is KNotes 3.9 running under KDE 4.3.2 |
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| 22:38.31 | cbwcjw | Why do I have to resume compositing every time I login to 4.4 |
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| 22:40.28 | thiago_home | because it failed to start |
| 22:40.57 | cbwcjw | That's cool, Solutions? |
| 22:41.29 | tzanger | hmm I see there is a current bug in kopete (recently solved) where notification changes weren't seen because KSharedCnfig::Ptr was not getting updated |
| 22:42.07 | tzanger | I've restarted the system and the notification change still isn't working... is there a file somewhere I need to delete or touch to have this take another look at kopete.notifyrc? |
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| 22:46.02 | Crell | Hi folks. Random unscientific survey. I'm using Kubuntu now, and am getting steadily less impressed with it. What do folks recommend as a better KDE distro? Preferably Debian-derived since that's what I'm used to, but I am open to other suggestions. |
| 22:46.48 | NewWorld | Crell: Are you using KDE3 or 4? |
| 22:47.15 | Crell | 4.3 on Kubuntu 9.10 at the moment, on a Thinkpad T61. |
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| 22:48.53 | NewWorld | Crell: What aren't you impressed with that you think is different in other distros? |
| 22:49.08 | Crell | NewWorld: Well at the moment, the fact that network-manager fails utterly with my VPN, and apparently that's been a common problem for the past, oh, 3 versions. (So says Google, and the ##openvpn channel.) |
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| 22:49.29 | Crell | I also get crazy redraw issues, but only in the past 6-8 months or so. Before that I did not. |
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| 22:50.06 | NewWorld | Is the network-manager issue related to KDE? |
| 22:50.40 | Crell | The folks in ##openvpn say no. Their "ubuntu" factoid is "network manager is b0rken". :-) |
| 22:51.37 | NewWorld | So if it's not related to KDE why bring it up as a complaint about KDE? hehe :P |
| 22:52.27 | szal | from what I gather, the only viable alternative in the DEB-based world is Mepis, though I have no idea how current their pkgs are since they switched their base from *buntu back to Debian |
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| 22:53.55 | NewWorld | Or might aswell step it up a notch and go with Debian |
| 22:54.30 | szal | NewWorld: would then necessarily be Testing or Sid, if currency is a key feature |
| 22:55.49 | NewWorld | ^ lol szal you've confused me with that sentence X( |
| 22:56.11 | szal | lol, how? |
| 22:56.43 | szal | I guess if there's one thing you cannot say about Debian-stable then that it's even remotely current ;) |
| 22:56.59 | NewWorld | 'would' should be prefaced with something. 'currency' is a feature?! |
| 22:57.01 | DrSlony | Crell: try sabayon |
| 22:57.04 | uga_ | I think currency has a completely different menaning ;) |
| 22:57.07 | DrSlony | great distro, best of many worlds |
| 22:57.09 | DrSlony | imo :] |
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| 23:00.25 | Crell | NewWorld: It's not a complaint about KDE. I'm looking for a good KDE-centric distro. Hence my inquiring in here, where I suspect many people have experience with KDE-centric distros. |
| 23:00.35 | StrikerTTD | Hello! I was wondering if there is an KDE program for screen-recording, similar to Fraps for Windows? |
| 23:00.49 | Crell | DrSlony: Sabayon? Never heard of it. |
| 23:00.50 | cbwcjw | Crell: Opensuse is renowned for 'superior integration' |
| 23:01.05 | Crell | cbwcjw: What does that mean in non-buzzword speak? :-) |
| 23:01.25 | NewWorld | Crell: KDE-centric distros? You mean the ones shipped with KDE by default? OpenSUSE. |
| 23:01.37 | DrSlony | StrikerTTD: i tried many, showmydesktop was most efficient |
| 23:01.38 | cbwcjw | Supposedlly opensuse integrates better, for that reason |
| 23:01.50 | DrSlony | StrikerTTD: with the showmydesktop-qt gui |
| 23:01.53 | szal | Crell: one observation.. openSUSE runs about twice as smooth & fast on openSUSE than on Arch |
| 23:01.56 | cbwcjw | Crell: The only thing is it's RPM based |
| 23:02.14 | NewWorld | szal: No way lol, how come? |
| 23:02.15 | StrikerTTD | Ok, DrSlony, Thanks! |
| 23:02.26 | DrSlony | StrikerTTD: TTD as in OpenTTD? |
| 23:02.31 | szal | omfg, I'm talkin cr*p tonight ;) |
| 23:02.44 | StrikerTTD | DrSlony, No, sorry. |
| 23:02.47 | Crell | szal: openSuse runs twice as fast on openSuse? Does not compute. |
| 23:02.50 | NewWorld | szal: I'm on Arch now, it can't be twice faster than this... Are you being serious? |
| 23:03.01 | szal | I was trying to say, KDE 4 runs about twice as fast & smooth on openSUSE than on Arch |
| 23:03.04 | cbwcjw | szal, Crell: Too bad I have SHIT luck installing opensuse |
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| 23:03.36 | Crell | szal: You're saying KDE runs twice as fast on Suse as Arch, I take it? :-) |
| 23:03.44 | Crell | How is Suse as a distro overall? |
| 23:03.44 | szal | Crell: yep |
| 23:03.59 | cbwcjw | Crell: It's stable, but sometimes to me feels less complete |
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| 23:04.13 | szal | Crell: the integration part is surely true, SUSE feels most consistent of everything I tried |
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| 23:04.32 | DrSlony | Crell: realy, try sabayo n:) i tried several distro livecds, sabayon's booted with best out-of-the-box support for my HW, and also its based on gentoo which I've used for 2-3 years. It uses entropy, which is a very powerful package manager |
| 23:04.34 | szal | cbwcjw: in how far less complete? |
| 23:04.36 | DrSlony | wikipedia it |
| 23:04.53 | DrSlony | Which KDE program can I use to compute my budget? |
| 23:05.15 | szal | DrSlony: sounds like a case for KMyMoney |
| 23:05.25 | szal | if that's available for KDE4, that is |
| 23:05.27 | cbwcjw | szal: There was a host of compiz problems in 11.1, video issues, less hardware compatability (in personal experience) |
| 23:05.44 | Crell | cbwcjw: Less complete how/why? |
| 23:05.45 | szal | cbwcjw: KDE + Compiz = no-go anyway ;) |
| 23:05.47 | DrSlony | szal: thx! |
| 23:06.00 | Crell | DrSlony: Oh dear. I am rather sure I am not up for a source-based distro. :-) |
| 23:06.02 | cbwcjw | szal: I ment in GNOME, when it WAS the default |
| 23:06.02 | Crell | I' |
| 23:06.13 | Crell | I'm a web developer. I don't do compiles. :-) |
| 23:06.14 | DrSlony | Crell: its not a source based distro, rtfm wikipedia :] |
| 23:06.28 | szal | cbwcjw: I doubt that you'd have had less problems w/ Compiz in any other distro :P |
| 23:06.29 | DrSlony | but it gives you the option of easily using surce, when needed, and it is sometimes very needed :] |
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| 23:07.07 | cbwcjw | szal: Well, yes and no, not random crashing with same drivers as was suse |
| 23:07.10 | Crell | How are upgrades? |
| 23:07.18 | cbwcjw | Crell: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/lizard-day-novell-releases-opensuse-112.ars |
| 23:07.33 | DrSlony | rtfm first ask questions later |
| 23:07.38 | cbwcjw | (Great site, great author, great review) |
| 23:07.49 | DrSlony | !spam |
| 23:07.51 | DrSlony | !cancer |
| 23:08.00 | DrSlony | oops, wrong window, sorry |
| 23:08.15 | szal | that's what they all say afterwards ;) |
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| 23:09.33 | cbwcjw | "In general, openSUSE lacks Ubuntu's it-just-works factor in many cases, but makes up for it by providing more flexibility under the hood and better packaging for certain kinds of development technologies, particularly Java and Mono." |
| 23:09.55 | Crell | Hm. |
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| 23:10.32 | Crell | My issue with Kubuntu at this point, I think, is that it's mac-like. As my boss puts it, "It's a Mac. It either Just Works, or it Just Doesn't". :-) |
| 23:10.34 | cbwcjw | And is RPM based, which is a small headache if you're new to it |
| 23:10.37 | cbwcjw | But It provides one of the best KDE experiences out there |
| 23:10.47 | Crell | I used to be an RPM guy years ago, then moved to Debian, then Ubunut. |
| 23:10.49 | Crell | Ubuntu. |
| 23:11.14 | Crell | For the most part I want "just works", as I have long since forgotten most of my low-level Linux config knowledge. |
| 23:11.21 | Crell | My brain needed to clear space for PHP. |
| 23:11.24 | szal | thinks the headaches w/ RPM are over since the arrival of a lot of good pkg managers |
| 23:11.40 | cbwcjw | agrees to an extent |
| 23:12.00 | Crell | That's my understanding as well. |
| 23:12.05 | szal | and as far as 'just works' goes, I can't complain about SUSE.. perhaps I'm just not using the stuff that needs fiddling with ;) |
| 23:12.17 | cbwcjw | hahaha, are you using it szal? |
| 23:12.31 | cbwcjw | I'm using kubuntu, I didn't plan on KDE until 4.4 suprised me |
| 23:12.37 | Crell | Does it ship with PHP 5.2 or 5.3? :-) I assume the most recent version uses KDE 4.3. |
| 23:12.49 | szal | e.g. I'm not using networkmanager, no need for it here |
| 23:12.58 | cbwcjw | Yeah, but I believe there are upgrade oytions |
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| 23:13.18 | cbwcjw | szal: Wireless, video, and sound. Things that either work or are headaches |
| 23:13.19 | Crell | hm |
| 23:13.27 | szal | Crell: default KDE 4.3.1, 4.3.5 and 4.4.0 (and 4.5 snapshots, for that matter) are available |
| 23:13.41 | Crell | I am planning a bit out here, since I don't have time to redo my system right now, but whenever I do, I need something that works better than this. |
| 23:14.03 | cbwcjw | I'd go opensuse |
| 23:14.15 | cbwcjw | I'm too terrified to leave the deb world though |
| 23:14.28 | cbwcjw | I sense debian in my future, but who knows. |
| 23:14.54 | szal | openSUSE 11.2 ships w/ PHP 5.3.0 |
| 23:15.06 | DrSlony | i'm using networkmanager with wvdial |
| 23:15.15 | DrSlony | fora wireless broadband usb dongle |
| 23:15.27 | cbwcjw | My knetwork manager is comedic |
| 23:15.54 | cbwcjw | It's dialog box appears in the top left corner of my screen when I click it, while it should be at the bottom |
| 23:17.32 | cbwcjw | What the... it works now? |
| 23:17.42 | szal | lol |
| 23:17.45 | cbwcjw | I must have scared it by talking about it. |
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| 23:18.38 | Crell | Debian still moves too slowly for me for a desktop. |
| 23:19.07 | DrSlony | cbwcjw: depends on whether you left-click or right-click |
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| 23:19.33 | cbwcjw | DrSlony: that's what I THOUGHT, but no, both now work... oddly |
| 23:21.55 | cbwcjw | Crell: I'd have to agree, that and, well I'm 16, so as far as sinking THAT much time into it, not really in my interest. Same with arch |
| 23:22.40 | Crell | lol |
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| 23:35.47 | szal | cbwcjw: what's w/ Arch? |
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| 23:44.42 | cbwcjw | szal: What? |
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| 23:52.28 | TheCycoONE | How do you set track details for a cd if cddb doesn't return any results? |
| 23:53.11 | cbwcjw | TheCycoONE: Well, the odds are crazy, but I'm downloading a program called 'easytag' right now |
| 23:53.17 | cbwcjw | supposedlly lets you set the tags |
| 23:54.08 | TheCycoONE | cbwcjw: I don't think you can edit the tag on files on a cd |
| 23:54.25 | cbwcjw | I men't after they were copied over |
| 23:55.07 | TheCycoONE | oh, okay. I was hoping there was a way I could make it remember the cd. |
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