00:00.27 | Dashkal | mschiff: hmm, google failing me then. I never did find the package but did figure out how to get kd3 to do it for me. |
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00:01.04 | mschiff | Dashkal: its installed here on my system... |
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00:01.32 | mschiff | Dashkal: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=107645 |
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00:04.52 | Dashkal | mschiff: It seems (k)ubuntu hasn't picked up the package then. |
00:06.39 | mschiff | Dashkal: write a bugreport ;) |
00:06.56 | Dashkal | I suspect it's intentional what with k3b gaining the functionality |
00:07.12 | mschiff | I am only missing two apps in kde4 that only exist for kde3: klibiso and amarok-1.4 |
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00:07.25 | Dashkal | I just got very confused since I used to use that app for that purpose. |
00:08.27 | mschiff | klibido |
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00:10.08 | Dashkal | Yep, (k)ubuntu explicitly dropped the package. No reason given. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/kaudiocreator/+index |
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00:11.18 | pinotree | Dashkal: note it was part of the kdemultimedia source in kde3, so it was packaged from there |
00:11.32 | mschiff | Dashkal: this was only the kde3 version |
00:11.44 | Dashkal | *nods* Yeah. Piecing together the timeline it looks like they dropped it, and never added the new port which lives in extragear now. |
00:12.10 | pinotree | the kde4 part wasn't that working at that time |
00:12.33 | jonnor | Is it not packaged for Debian? |
00:12.41 | mschiff | pinotree: Seems that time has gone. I used it a couple of times and it worked as expected |
00:14.30 | pinotree | did somebody request for it already? if not, just do it |
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03:11.28 | Vamp898 | Where can i set the Transparency of Panel? |
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03:13.33 | defenderbg | hi guys |
03:13.37 | defenderbg | and girls |
03:14.31 | defenderbg | i used up until now kde3.5 and now I want to switch to kde4, yet I can't find how to export/import my old kmail messages to kmail-4 |
03:14.36 | defenderbg | can anyone help me pls |
03:15.02 | defenderbg | and same problem with akregator... |
03:15.34 | defenderbg | and yes, I googled, but couldn't find anything, so I came here |
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03:19.14 | MJD | defenderbg: As far as I know, its gets transfered automatically when you upgrade, but I upgraded a while ago, I don't remeber specifically. I'd suggest backing up ur .kde folder first. |
03:19.37 | defenderbg | MJD, it did not ask me to transfer any details |
03:19.48 | Vamp898 | defenderbg there is a menu in KMail that is called "Import messages" and there you can set the old KMail |
03:20.14 | defenderbg | and since .kde it is a symlink (to .kde4 currently), I dont need to backup my .kde3.5 |
03:21.32 | defenderbg | :/ he quit, and I wanted to ask him where this menu is |
03:22.14 | MJD | defenderbg: If you open kmail, go File -> Import Messages |
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03:22.40 | defenderbg | yep, saw it |
03:23.05 | defenderbg | but this does not include the settings, or does it? |
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03:23.45 | minor723 | I accidently closed the program on the taskbar that gave you copy time and status updates. Anyone know what that is and how to get it back |
03:25.07 | MJD | defenderbg: Usually, in upgrades, you have the upgrade occur over your old .kde folder. That way your settings are transferred. |
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03:34.29 | defenderbg | MJD, so... I should copy the kmail settings from 3.5 to 4? |
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03:39.06 | minor723 | I accidently closed the program on the taskbar that gave you copy time and status updates. Anyone know what that is and how to get it back |
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03:45.12 | defenderbg | good, now I managed to get kmail working |
03:45.20 | defenderbg | what about importing from akregator? |
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03:55.24 | defenderbg | managed it somehow |
03:55.26 | defenderbg | bb |
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05:45.06 | paparoot | hmm ... hi _o/ |
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09:03.06 | ponto | Hi, I have the following annoying behaviour of kmail: After starting it takes about 25% of cpu time for at least half an hour. During this time it is very laggy. After it has finished using the cpu time the speed is as expected. |
09:03.11 | ponto | What is going on here? |
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09:05.59 | ekas | unable to mount cd ... anyone help |
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09:34.16 | ulath | hi, is there a keyboard layout switching widget for kde 4.2 ? (kubuntu) |
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09:46.09 | ponto | ulath: you should be able to activate it in the systemsettings |
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09:48.15 | [Steven_M] | hi all, can kmess do voice chats? |
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09:51.17 | [Steven_M] | hi all, can kmess do voice chats? |
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10:01.32 | Kwpolska | my kopete won't connect automatically, wtf? |
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10:58.18 | Goliath | hey |
10:58.31 | Goliath | how can i find out what are the differences between |
10:58.41 | Goliath | ksebase-workspace and kde packages |
10:59.03 | Kwpolska | great. |
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10:59.24 | Kwpolska | My kopete won't connect on startup, where I have to set it? |
10:59.45 | Goliath | Kwpolska for msn use kmess |
10:59.52 | Kwpolska | NOT MSN! |
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11:00.10 | Kwpolska | I want kopete, don't piss me and think I am an idiot. |
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11:00.49 | ghostcube | Kwpolska: watch you language |
11:00.54 | ghostcube | this isnt quake net |
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11:03.40 | Goliath | Hey |
11:03.47 | Goliath | what are the differences of kdebase and kde? |
11:04.06 | Jucato | Goliath: please ask in your distro's channel |
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11:04.33 | ghostcube | o.O |
11:04.53 | Jucato | Kwpolska: Settings menu -> Configure -> Behavior -> General tab, at the bottom "Initial Status", set to "Online" |
11:05.27 | Kwpolska | o gosh, how long path to so easy setting... |
11:05.43 | Jucato | it's just long to type, easier to click |
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11:36.56 | paparoot_ | i'm wondering how could i get rid of file size previews limitation, since i have PDF files > 100Mb, no thumbnails are generated, and it looks a bit crap, so, not very homogenous. Any idea ? |
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11:54.03 | Vamp898 | hi, the command kdeinit4 takes about 100% cpu usage and does not go down :/ what to do? |
11:54.53 | cb400f | try restarting kde and see if it happens again :-) |
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11:56.54 | AlbertoP | Hello :) |
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11:57.58 | AlbertoP | let's assume I open two or more files in kate, and I want to search for the same string in both, how can I keep the search dialog open, so that I do not need to type the text again? |
11:58.26 | AlbertoP | is sure it's possible but did not find how to do that ¬¬ |
11:58.56 | AlbertoP | hmm cb400f :) |
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12:23.01 | oobe | anyone know the default location of the kicker background |
12:23.05 | oobe | i want to change it |
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12:34.07 | Vamp898 | Hey, when i play KSnake and klick on "About KSnake" i get the information about KTron xD |
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12:37.38 | shadeslayer | hi how do i restart phonon? |
12:37.54 | thiago_home | you don't |
12:37.59 | thiago_home | it's not a process to be started, or restarted |
12:38.17 | shadeslayer | thiago_home: um ok,but it didnt detect my cards properly |
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12:38.59 | thiago_home | ok |
12:39.05 | thiago_home | nothing I can do about that |
12:39.18 | shadeslayer | hmm looks like ill have to login again :P |
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12:41.44 | Goliath | 14:41:16 | <Goliath> Do i need phonon for kde? |
12:41.44 | Goliath | <PROTECTED> |
12:41.45 | Goliath | <PROTECTED> |
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12:42.37 | shadeslayer | Goliath: ? |
12:42.56 | Goliath | do i need phonon> |
12:42.58 | Goliath | ? |
12:43.01 | thiago_home | yes |
12:43.07 | thiago_home | phonon is not optional |
12:43.09 | shadeslayer | of course :) |
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12:43.18 | Goliath | i installed the full kde package |
12:43.21 | Goliath | so i guess i am ok> |
12:43.26 | shadeslayer | Goliath: which distro? |
12:43.30 | Goliath | arch |
12:43.33 | thiago_home | guesses archlinux |
12:44.59 | Goliath | do i need to get phonon-xine? |
12:45.39 | thiago_home | or phonon-gstreamer |
12:46.05 | thiago_home | or phonon-vlc or phonon-mplayer |
12:47.27 | Goliath | if i just use the default am i ok? |
12:47.42 | thiago_home | we don't know what the default is on archlinux |
12:48.09 | Goliath | gstreamer |
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12:48.25 | Goliath | gstreamer |
12:48.26 | Goliath | i guess |
12:49.04 | thiago_home | then yes, the default should be fine |
12:50.55 | AlbertoP | gives up with kate |
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12:55.48 | Vamp898 | Goliath you have to install phonon-xine otherwise you´ll except problems |
12:56.05 | thiago_home | no need to |
12:56.07 | thiago_home | gstreamer is fine |
12:56.10 | Vamp898 | for sure |
12:56.19 | Vamp898 | the best on gstreamer are the error messages from amarok |
12:56.43 | Vamp898 | or the message every 5 seconds that says that he can´t use the soundcard and fallback to default |
12:57.16 | Vamp898 | Goliath pacman -S phonon-xine and than go to systemsettings to multimedia and set xine as backend |
12:58.02 | thiago_home | Vamp898: it doesn't happen here |
12:58.11 | thiago_home | I've been using the gstreamer backend for a year and a half |
12:58.29 | Vamp898 | than you should be lucky with that |
12:58.48 | thiago_home | not luck. It just works. |
12:58.50 | thiago_home | it's meant to work. |
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12:59.12 | Vamp898 | when i switch to gstreamer |
12:59.14 | Vamp898 | and start amarok |
12:59.17 | Vamp898 | i get a lot of problems |
12:59.38 | thiago_home | you should report those bugs |
12:59.46 | thiago_home | the amarok devs aren't fixing for gstreamer, when they should |
12:59.48 | Vamp898 | there are already reported |
12:59.50 | thiago_home | I've told them more than once |
12:59.51 | Vamp898 | i just voted |
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13:33.54 | TheAncientGoat | Arg.. Get New X is still buggy :\ |
13:34.04 | marco | can you give me some tips to improve kde 4 performance? |
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13:34.25 | marco | i don't care about visual eye candy |
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13:42.57 | lilltiger | Is there a way to hide the status bar in konqueror? |
13:43.07 | lilltiger | I cant find it in the menus/settings |
13:44.53 | Vamp898 | marco deactivate the KWin effeckts in systemsettings |
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13:47.03 | marco | then<? |
13:47.37 | Mahfuz | nothing |
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13:58.38 | Vamp898 | marco use a good distro with good maintainer |
13:58.43 | Vamp898 | marco Qt 4.6 is very fast too |
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14:00.24 | TheAncientGoat | Hmm, looks like the Get New Themes tool doesn't work at all :\ |
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14:01.52 | soee | Vamp898: actually with this effects i have like 50 fps when not moving objects on screen, but when (KWIN settings) i disable the vsync for Opengl my FPS have 2or 3 boost |
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14:02.56 | soee | but the minus is bad looking vertical lines (borders) of objects when moving them |
14:03.37 | mgraesslin | and a waste of CPU and GPU power |
14:03.52 | mgraesslin | as more frames are rendered than the screen can display |
14:04.19 | soee | thats true :) |
14:04.36 | Vamp898 | i have an intel onboard card |
14:04.40 | Vamp898 | and i have about 60 FPS |
14:04.59 | Vamp898 | But i have to say, with compiz fusion the performance is _much_ better |
14:05.50 | mgraesslin | a high number of FPS does not say anything about performance |
14:06.04 | Vamp898 | the effeckts moves without lagging |
14:06.09 | Vamp898 | thats what i want to say with that |
14:06.22 | Vamp898 | with Compiz Fusion i can have about 100times more effeckts and the FPS are still higher than with KWin |
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14:07.35 | mgraesslin | again: FPS does not say anything about performance |
14:07.54 | Vamp898 | yes |
14:08.33 | Vamp898 | so was FPS say then? |
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14:09.02 | mgraesslin | in case of kwin: nothing |
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14:09.32 | Vamp898 | yes but with 20 FPS it looks really lagging |
14:09.42 | Vamp898 | windows does not move smooth anymore |
14:09.47 | Vamp898 | with Compiz Fusion they move like oiled |
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14:10.00 | mgraesslin | as soon as you activate the effect it changes the number of FPS |
14:10.28 | mgraesslin | so you see slow window movement and a lower FPS than with Compiz |
14:10.36 | mgraesslin | but you and I can't know if it is related |
14:10.57 | mgraesslin | or that the movement of windows is better when there are more fps |
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14:16.03 | pARAd0X85 | what's the name of the tool used to download torrents and normal files? |
14:16.03 | pARAd0X85 | in KDE |
14:16.12 | Vamp898 | KGet or KTorrent |
14:16.40 | pARAd0X85 | yes ! Kget |
14:16.50 | Vamp898 | 100 points |
14:16.59 | pARAd0X85 | I don't know why I always forget his name |
14:17.11 | soee | to long name ? |
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14:17.19 | Vamp898 | yes kget is quite very long |
14:17.23 | Vamp898 | longer than transmission or gwget |
14:17.24 | soee | ;] |
14:18.01 | bluesceada | hi |
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14:18.09 | bluesceada | anyone can recommend some settings for kde4 for a small screen |
14:18.14 | bluesceada | 1024x768 |
14:18.33 | bluesceada | the taskbar and everything is very thick and uses a lot of space for its design |
14:18.43 | Vamp898 | which KDE Version |
14:18.46 | bluesceada | kde4 |
14:18.49 | Vamp898 | yes |
14:18.50 | bluesceada | wait |
14:18.51 | Vamp898 | but which 4 |
14:18.56 | bluesceada | 4.3.2 |
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14:19.26 | Vamp898 | as i know KDE uses SVG where it is possible |
14:19.35 | Vamp898 | so just scale down the panel size and it should go well |
14:21.30 | bluesceada | Vamp898: no then the font overlaps the design |
14:21.34 | bluesceada | otherwise the font is too small |
14:21.37 | Vamp898 | hmmm |
14:21.43 | bluesceada | it just has thick borders and everything |
14:21.53 | bluesceada | looks good, but takes too much place for a 1024x768 |
14:21.57 | Torch | bluesceada: maybe a screenshot might help illustrate the problem |
14:22.01 | Vamp898 | yes |
14:22.07 | bluesceada | yeh |
14:22.14 | bluesceada | maybe |
14:22.14 | bluesceada | hm |
14:22.15 | soee | bluesceada: this is my desktop: http://yfrog.com/1azrzutekranu2xp maybe u find something useful.. or not :) |
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14:22.19 | Vamp898 | yeeha, go own and take a screen |
14:23.41 | bluesceada | hm a taskbar at the top could fix it |
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14:23.53 | bluesceada | anyway i think i can somehow get it managed |
14:24.01 | bluesceada | any hints where to look for other designs etc. ? |
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14:24.59 | soee | bluesceada: desktops ? |
14:25.08 | bluesceada | ? |
14:25.25 | bluesceada | wait..... |
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14:29.02 | bluesceada | why does kmix produce 10 wakeups per second in kde4 :( |
14:30.55 | Vamp898 | 10 wakeups? |
14:31.08 | bluesceada | looking at powertop |
14:31.14 | bluesceada | kde4 is not much powersaving :/ |
14:31.19 | bluesceada | compared to 3 |
14:31.27 | Vamp898 | i dont know what you´re talking about |
14:31.35 | bluesceada | i have a notebook |
14:31.41 | Vamp898 | me too |
14:31.44 | Vamp898 | wheres the problem |
14:31.52 | bluesceada | and in kde4 the applications produce more wakeups per second than in kde3 |
14:32.01 | bluesceada | giving you less battery runtime |
14:32.07 | Vamp898 | what the hell are wakeups? |
14:32.12 | bluesceada | see the "powertop" utility to show the wakeups |
14:32.19 | bluesceada | wakeing up the cpu from a deeper sleep state |
14:32.36 | bluesceada | so the battery runtime is decreased in kde4 compared to 3 :/ |
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14:33.19 | Vamp898 | i have on KDE3, 4 and GNOME about the same battery time |
14:33.26 | bluesceada | my cpu is runnin 12% in acpi C0 at the moment, with not really much running at the moment |
14:33.45 | Vamp898 | powertop shows me a number like 1000 Ã_Ã do i anything wrong? |
14:33.51 | bluesceada | yes |
14:33.54 | bluesceada | probably |
14:34.03 | bluesceada | i had around 200 in kde3 |
14:34.07 | bluesceada | 500 in 4 atm |
14:34.16 | Vamp898 | im gettin 900-1200 Ã_Ã |
14:34.42 | Vamp898 | sometimes even 2000 |
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14:35.03 | bluesceada | wow... |
14:35.07 | Vamp898 | ah beceause stupid skype |
14:35.08 | bluesceada | which applications produce that much |
14:35.10 | bluesceada | ok |
14:35.34 | bluesceada | firefox is also a huge battery drainer |
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14:35.57 | Vamp898 | i use chromium^^ |
14:36.03 | bluesceada | even worse |
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14:36.20 | Vamp898 | Chromium is about double of speed in JavaScript and starts 10000 times faster xD |
14:36.44 | Vamp898 | but without skype and the skype shit im about 300 |
14:37.08 | Vamp898 | but im using a low-latency kernel with HR Timer, i dont know if that have anything to do with that wakeup time |
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14:37.34 | bluesceada | Vamp898: everything tickless helps saving battery |
14:37.48 | Vamp898 | im fine with 3hours =) |
14:38.27 | bluesceada | i'm not fine with 5 hours |
14:38.31 | bluesceada | should be 6-7 |
14:38.39 | bluesceada | :P |
14:38.41 | bluesceada | :/ |
14:39.17 | bluesceada | the new konqueror and kmix dont seem to be so good |
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14:42.00 | bluesceada | is there a way to configure somekind of view profiles for kde? |
14:42.17 | bluesceada | so when i use my 24" screen the fonts will be enlarged or something like that? |
14:42.27 | bluesceada | so it takes care of using the right dpi? |
14:42.35 | bluesceada | hmm |
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15:10.25 | Sho_ | bluesceada: normally X is responsible for calculating the correct DPI based on the physical dimensions (as reported by the display via EDID) and screen resolution |
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15:15.02 | bluesceada | Sho_: yeh but i want to switch live from notebook display to 24" tft |
15:15.09 | bluesceada | without restarting X or anything |
15:16.00 | Moobyfr | xrandr take care of that |
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15:34.21 | kriko_ | in kde 4.4 some applications entries stays in task manager after shutdown - known? |
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15:35.02 | Sho_ | haven't seen that myself |
15:35.15 | soee | kriko_: yes they do, they stay after shutdown, crash etc for me |
15:35.22 | soee | not all ofc |
15:35.29 | kriko_ | mhm |
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15:35.52 | soee | and the secon thing is |
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15:37.24 | soee | i have assigned application to a specific desktops (i have 4 of them) and when i run application on a desktop 1 and the app is assigned to lets say nr 3, sometimes the entry stays on the task manager on the desk 1 |
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15:38.01 | soee | even if in task manager option to show tasks from current desktop only is selected |
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16:09.06 | mynameisdeleted | it seems webkit(origionally khtml) is a basis for chrome browser and safari, 2 of the top 5 browsers by usage on internet |
16:09.39 | Sho_ | yup |
16:09.53 | mynameisdeleted | is there any other mainstream software that comes out of kde? |
16:10.17 | pinotree | ? |
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16:11.10 | Sho_ | mynameisdeleted: Well, there is a lot of software using the Qt toolkit, and a lot of Qt developers started out as KDE developers, and Qt certainly has been influenced by KDE, so in that sense KDE's mark is all over the place |
16:11.11 | mynameisdeleted | gnome was a basis for gimp(more widely used than most open source apps) and a basis for the mozilla/firefox widgetset too... I'm not sure if windows and apple versions use any gtk left though or gnome libraries |
16:11.50 | mynameisdeleted | what major apps are based on qt and all over the place including on peoples desktops who dont know what linux is or dont use it? |
16:12.54 | Sho_ | mynameisdeleted: Photoshop Elements, VLC, Google Earth, .. |
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16:13.12 | mynameisdeleted | isnt' vlc gnome based? |
16:13.24 | mynameisdeleted | google earth looks qt based.... I havent used photoshop |
16:13.29 | Sho_ | mynameisdeleted: actually you have your Gimp history wrong btw |
16:13.58 | Sho_ | mynameisdeleted: The GTK+ widget toolkit was originally written *for Gimp* (GTK = Gimp Toolkit), and later used by the Gnome project |
16:14.38 | Sho_ | mynameisdeleted: As for Mozilla/Firefox, it technically uses its own toolkit called XUL which has a number of native platform backends like the Win32 GUI APIs and GTK+ on Linux, so it's not exactly the "basis" - Firefox on Windows doesn't use GTK+ |
16:14.53 | Sho_ | Whereas Qt is used in thousands of Windows applications |
16:15.19 | Sho_ | VLC uses Qt, it's not "Gnome-based" |
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16:16.13 | GNU\colossus | the new VLC vrsions use QT4; old ones used to use wxWidgets, didn't they |
16:16.17 | GNU\colossus | ? |
16:16.19 | mynameisdeleted | so adobe can not upgrade to any open source based qt library or library fork unless they gpl photoshop |
16:16.35 | Sho_ | mynameisdeleted: Huh? |
16:16.42 | Sho_ | mynameisdeleted: Qt is under the LGPL, just like GTK+ |
16:17.10 | mynameisdeleted | I thought it was dual licensed either under gpl (for open source non-commercial projects) or under proprietary |
16:17.24 | Sho_ | mynameisdeleted: It used to be, and it still is, but also LGPL was added as a third option some time ago |
16:17.31 | Sho_ | mynameisdeleted: So now it's triple-licensed, basically |
16:18.10 | Sho_ | (and it should be said that the GPL version came with a license exception which also allowed more than two dozen other open source licenses, so it was never "you need to use "GPL") |
16:18.22 | Sho_ | (as evidenced by the fact that KDE's own libraries are LGPL, and several KDE apps are BSD-licensed) |
16:18.43 | mynameisdeleted | can a qt-based windows app be made to run in wine and look like native kde/linux app? |
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16:19.31 | Sho_ | That depends, if the Windows app is bundled with its own statically linked copy of Qt that would be very difficult |
16:19.46 | mynameisdeleted | like wine wrapper library for qt that uses real linux qt |
16:20.00 | mynameisdeleted | if its a dll then it shoudl be good though |
16:20.06 | Sho_ | If it's shared, theoretically you could add a Windows version of the style plugin used in Linux into the Wine mix |
16:20.09 | mynameisdeleted | also symbol replacement should work |
16:20.25 | Sho_ | But a better approach overall would be to make a proper Linux version of the app |
16:20.39 | Sho_ | After all, that's one of the major goals of Qt - to make cross-platform development very easy |
16:20.51 | Sho_ | If you use Qt, it's very easy to make Linux and Windows versions |
16:21.02 | mynameisdeleted | but adobe wont do that |
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16:21.11 | mynameisdeleted | unless you pay them 100k for a first time license |
16:21.20 | Sho_ | I guess so |
16:21.26 | mynameisdeleted | they wont do that for the regular price of a 6k license |
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16:21.32 | Sho_ | btw: don't confuse Photoshop and Photoshop Elements, two different apps |
16:21.36 | mynameisdeleted | for full cs5 |
16:22.02 | mynameisdeleted | I use gimp personlaly because they arent as greedy |
16:22.51 | Sho_ | KDE also has a pretty cool raster graphics application called Krita that is part of KOffice |
16:22.55 | pinotree | wonders what this has to do with #kde |
16:23.16 | mynameisdeleted | I like krita |
16:23.23 | mynameisdeleted | gimp wont supot 16 bits per color |
16:23.30 | mynameisdeleted | which messses up satelite imiages and meddical imiages |
16:23.45 | mynameisdeleted | I'd love having suport properly for 4 colors or 5 colors |
16:23.51 | mynameisdeleted | and mapping that to just 3 |
16:24.01 | Sho_ | It has a number of abilities Gimp doesn't, for example 128bit RGBA rather than just 32bit RGBA, and as far as I know it's the only open source raster graphics application that can work in Photoshop's L*a*b colorspace |
16:24.23 | Sho_ | It doesn't have as many features as Gimp yet, but it's more modern technologically and making good progress |
16:24.46 | mynameisdeleted | whats the L*a*b colorspace? |
16:24.52 | Ycarene | I'm trying to get rssnow to work, but all it says is "fetching feeds" for each feed in the list. |
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16:25.57 | Sho_ | mynameisdeleted: It's a color space with a very wide gamut designed to approximate human vision, very useful for working with photographic images |
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16:26.50 | mynameisdeleted | I just tried kde using mac-cocoa native |
16:27.04 | mynameisdeleted | buggy but Ic an see allt he kde applications making their way as native mac/windows apps |
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16:27.17 | mynameisdeleted | and I imagine windows qt native version of kde application set might be further along |
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16:29.43 | mynameisdeleted | I'm not sure how far koffice would go as an openoffice/microsoft office laternative |
16:29.49 | Sho_ | mynameisdeleted: Yeah, there are more people working on the Windows side of things than on the Mac version atm |
16:29.53 | mynameisdeleted | but it has gotten a lot better over last few years |
16:30.31 | Sho_ | KOffice 2.1 is pretty impressive imho, though it doesn't have as many features as OpenOffice yet. I like Karbon and Krita especially. |
16:30.38 | mynameisdeleted | I first used koffice in 2001 |
16:30.44 | mynameisdeleted | it was sad then compared to now |
16:30.47 | TheAncientGoat | Hey guys, does anyone know of any plans for Mandriva's TaskTop/Smart Desktop nepomuk stuff to be brought into kdesc? |
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16:34.45 | mynameisdeleted | a lot of people see qt vs gtk battle as counter-productive |
16:35.07 | Torch | mynameisdeleted: most people here do, i think. so maybe you should discuss that somewhere else. |
16:36.05 | mynameisdeleted | I think inovation is good and part of that is having different widgetsets of different ages is part of that,,,..... first text, + ncurse, then athena for the origional xterm and xeyes, then motif, maybe wxwindows somewhere and gtk and qt are a later and keep comming up with new versions each of which is better than last |
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16:37.01 | mynameisdeleted | I dont think athena or motif could be upgraded to a modern kde or gnome |
16:37.20 | mynameisdeleted | thats why more modern applicaitons dont use that engine |
16:37.36 | Sho_ | note: Qt isn't just a widget set |
16:37.57 | mynameisdeleted | nor is gnome.... the expectations have gone up |
16:38.04 | Sho_ | it's a template/container library, it's a database access library, it's an XML processing library, it's a multimedia framework, it's a networking library, ... |
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16:39.07 | mynameisdeleted | no one develops an application based solley on a widget set without wanting to be able to use embeded browsing or databases or xml |
16:39.10 | Sho_ | Athena/motif vs. Qt is apples and oranges |
16:39.45 | Sho_ | I have some Qt apps which don't even have a GUI :) |
16:42.23 | cabrey | what font does everybody use for their kde install? |
16:42.33 | Sho_ | I use Droid Sans |
16:42.49 | Torch | liberation sans. looks good. |
16:42.51 | Sho_ | 8pt at 96 dpi, "Slight" hinting mode |
16:43.29 | cabrey | hmm gotta go find those |
16:43.31 | Sho_ | seen here: http://imagebin.org/77227 |
16:44.11 | Torch | Sho_: what's that glitch in the size column header? |
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16:45.22 | mynameisdeleted | on netbook linux is supposed to pass windows use worldwide by 2013 |
16:45.30 | mynameisdeleted | what percent of netbooks use kde by default? |
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16:46.32 | Sho_ | Torch: A bug in the remote desktop client used to connect to the session that Dolphin was running in |
16:47.05 | Sho_ | dunno, but the netbook that started the netbook craze, the Eee PC, was using KDE |
16:47.20 | Sho_ | We're actually releasing a custom netbook UI with KDE SC 4.4 in February |
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17:07.31 | bluesceada | how can i stop kde 4.3x kopete to stop telling me when somebody goes online? |
17:07.51 | bluesceada | i can either disable all notifications or enable all it seems |
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17:20.33 | junkDawgie | bluesceada: you could make some changes in systemsetting>Notifications>KopeteMessenger.... should be able to do it there |
17:20.43 | bluesceada | ah ok thanks |
17:21.13 | cb400f | can also be accesss via settings -> configure notifications in kopete contact list window |
17:21.15 | bluesceada | ah nice |
17:21.21 | bluesceada | thanks both |
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17:35.21 | dokma | I'm on Debian lenny and KDE I think 3.5.5 |
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19:20.28 | darkstego | I have a problem with KDE being possessed and hating me |
19:21.23 | darkstego | kde 4.3 will show only show a black screen with a cursor when I login |
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19:21.56 | darkstego | and this only occurs with a single login uid combination |
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19:22.06 | shadeslayer_ | darkstego: press alt+f2 and type : plasma-desktop : hit enter |
19:22.41 | darkstego | it even persists after removing user and deleting their home directory |
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19:23.08 | shadeslayer_ | darkstego: i have the same bug :( |
19:23.33 | shadeslayer_ | was fixed in 4.3.80 broke in .85 :P |
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19:24.57 | darkstego | alt+f2 doesn't do anything |
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19:25.17 | shadeslayer_ | darkstego: no bar on the screen? |
19:25.21 | darkstego | no krunner popping up |
19:25.22 | darkstego | nothing |
19:25.25 | shadeslayer_ | hmm |
19:25.46 | darkstego | I can't understand how this can persist past deleting home directory |
19:25.48 | shadeslayer_ | darkstego: ok put a bash script in ~/.kde/Autostart/ |
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19:26.06 | darkstego | while all other users work fine |
19:26.18 | darkstego | I can get it to work on this user if I change the uid |
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20:53.41 | deltaray | Is there a way to specify the geometry of Konsole? I've tried using the --geometry option, but that doesn't work. This is KDE 4.3.2 |
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20:54.35 | shadeslayer_ | deltaray: resize it using the mouse? |
20:57.01 | deltaray | shadeslayer_, No, I mean I want to explicitly set it for one icon, but set it to something else for a different icon. Under gnome, I could do gnome-terminal --geometry=80x20. |
20:57.42 | shadeslayer_ | idk if konsole supports that |
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21:01.35 | shadeslayer_ | deltaray: what you could do is specify a config file which has those values,i think |
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21:06.36 | deltaray | Its kinda a basic setting for most software in X, I'm surprised Konsole doesn't support it. |
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21:07.18 | mardi_soir | deltaray, kwin can store placement and size setting |
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21:07.54 | mardi_soir | right clic on the titlebar ... etc etc |
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21:09.44 | deltaray | mardi_soir, Well that's not really what I want. I just want to be able to create to launcher icons, each one with different geometry settings for Konsole. |
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21:10.28 | kriko | kde 4.4 will use qt 4.6.0 or it will be 4.6.1 by then? |
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21:12.25 | mardi_soir | ~ #konsole --help-all |grep geo [22:11] |
21:12.26 | mardi_soir | <PROTECTED> |
21:12.28 | mardi_soir | ~ # |
21:12.29 | apt | somebody said # was pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board, or octothorpe |
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21:12.35 | mardi_soir | does not work ? |
21:12.51 | argbh | hi how can i change the moving windows with [alt] to [super]? |
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21:13.15 | spectral | wtf is [super]? |
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21:14.05 | Wei | He meant windows key? |
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21:14.48 | [Steven_M] | hi all |
21:14.57 | Lhommeauchapeau | hi all |
21:15.04 | Lhommeauchapeau | can i speak french here ? |
21:15.09 | Lhommeauchapeau | or not ? |
21:15.15 | spectral | not |
21:15.18 | Wei | kriko: I think would be still qt 4.6. |
21:15.35 | Lhommeauchapeau | i have an probleme with KDe after have been stop my computer when removing ac |
21:15.41 | Starwatcher | I would speak french here, but I don't know how |
21:15.43 | Lhommeauchapeau | and now kde not lanch |
21:15.59 | Lhommeauchapeau | "knotify" is not writable |
21:16.06 | Lhommeauchapeau | is the error message |
21:16.19 | Lhommeauchapeau | contact the administrateor system |
21:16.25 | Lhommeauchapeau | i have OK |
21:16.41 | Lhommeauchapeau | and foorc is not writable |
21:17.03 | pinotree | you can speak french in #kde-fr |
21:17.04 | Lhommeauchapeau | and kstratupconfig4 does not exist |
21:17.20 | Lhommeauchapeau | the error code is 3, check |
21:17.37 | spectral | i think you have experienced some file system corruption.. i'd recommend a reinstallation |
21:17.38 | [Steven_M] | can kmess do voice chats? |
21:17.47 | Lhommeauchapeau | pinotree, thanks but prefere enhance my english if you do not have nothing against ;) |
21:18.15 | Lhommeauchapeau | spectral, an reinstallation of KDe only ? im in kubuntu, how i can do it ? |
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21:18.42 | pinotree | [Steven_M]: we don't develop kmess, you have to ask that to its developers |
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21:19.14 | Wei | Lhommeauchapeau: do you have the exact error message? |
21:19.26 | [Steven_M] | pinotree: ok sorry |
21:19.33 | spectral | Lhommeauchapeau: i dunno, but there should be some switches for apt-get to reinstall packages.. i'm not an ubuntu/debian user so i can't tell you.. but ask in kubuntu |
21:19.55 | Lhommeauchapeau | Wei, its the 3 exact message error |
21:19.59 | Lhommeauchapeau | thanks spectral |
21:21.16 | Wei | Lhommeauchapeau: it doesn't sound like. |
21:21.42 | Wei | "knotify" is not writable? |
21:21.55 | Lhommeauchapeau | yes |
21:21.55 | Wei | It doesn't make any sense. |
21:22.14 | Lhommeauchapeau | <PROTECTED> |
21:22.14 | Lhommeauchapeau | <PROTECTED> |
21:22.14 | Lhommeauchapeau | <PROTECTED> |
21:22.21 | Lhommeauchapeau | the 3 error message |
21:22.35 | pinotree | how did you install kde? |
21:23.06 | Lhommeauchapeau | pinotree, i have install Kubuntu, it work fine before |
21:23.32 | pinotree | before what? |
21:23.59 | Lhommeauchapeau | before i shut down my computer when i remove the AC directly... i know its not good |
21:24.03 | spectral | before he unplugged the ac and the puter shut down |
21:24.43 | Lhommeauchapeau | sorry for my english if i am misundersatnding |
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21:39.11 | Wei | Lhommeauchapeau: can you take a picture of ur screen and upload that picture somewhere? |
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21:40.29 | Lhommeauchapeau | Wei, its french so i can do it, now i try to reinstall kde |
21:40.49 | Wei | ahh, in french. |
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21:43.27 | jdnwest1 | Great oracle of the KDE. How can I prevent a user from being able to "Show password" in knetwork manager. |
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21:44.40 | jdnwest1 | I want to have a user have a wireless connection, but not be able to edit it/see the password. Knetwork manager is failing me.. |
21:45.06 | valters | hello, i have problem with akregator rss reader, but I use ubuntu, when I start it they crash and there is chrash report - http://paste.ubuntu.com/348308/ |
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21:46.44 | Wei | jdnwest1: you probably need to fire a bug report on this. |
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21:47.18 | jdnwest1 | Wei: will do. its weird you can set it to "secure storage" but then they can set it back, and it apears unhashed |
21:47.58 | jdnwest1 | Is there a simple way to just ban a user from accessing it |
21:48.20 | Wei | valters: a better place to ask that is #ubuntu. |
21:48.46 | Wei | I don't use ubuntu, so I have no idea what could be wrong. |
21:49.15 | jdnwest1 | lol, not using ubuntu (or rather Kubuntu) |
21:49.24 | Wei | jdnwest1: It probably is gonna require interface change, but I am not authority on this. |
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21:52.32 | jdnwest1 | wei: going to disable it and use yast, it looks nice easy to use just has scary scary security bug. |
21:53.06 | Wei | ahh a fellow suse user :) |
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21:56.14 | tdgunes | Hi, I am using KDE 4.3.4 and a hd radeon 3870 with this graphic card I should open desktop effects and use them quickly but unfortunaltlyy my desktop effects are really slow even when I resize a window |
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21:58.18 | tdgunes | So, how should I configure my desktop effects, PS: If I close effects, when I move a window, kde leaves a clone of that window, :) |
21:58.34 | Wei | tdgunes: you need to update your ati driver. It looks like. |
21:58.48 | tdgunes | Wei: My distro (Pardus |
21:58.50 | tdgunes | ) |
21:58.54 | tdgunes | and it's updated |
21:58.56 | Wei | nothing wrong with ur KDE. |
21:59.06 | tdgunes | I updated it |
22:00.47 | tdgunes | Wei: and in screen part, I use "flrgx" driver for my ati graphic card |
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22:01.50 | Wei | tdgunes: try turning off the desktop effects one by one to see if it gets better? I use a crappy intel onboard video chip, and I have desktop effects running just fine... |
22:02.30 | Wei | tdgunes: sorry I don't know much about ati drivers. I just heard a lot of bad things about it. :( |
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22:02.48 | tdgunes | Wei: I changed the all effects one by one, sometimes my X.Org shuts itself |
22:03.29 | tdgunes | Wei: I am really angry with this :) I have a nice graphic card but ugly effects |
22:04.53 | Wei | tdgunes: yeah, I feel your pain bud. :( |
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22:05.42 | Wei | I can only suggest you to search kde bugzilla. |
22:05.50 | tdgunes | Wei: I have a idea of compiling the driver but I blieve there will be lot's of error when I compile it |
22:06.06 | Wei | or fire a bug report urself. |
22:06.36 | tdgunes | Maybe this is about my distro's driver |
22:06.44 | tdgunes | let me search this |
22:07.00 | tdgunes | Wei: thanks for everything |
22:07.15 | Wei | tdgunes: use a more frequently updated distro. :) |
22:07.34 | Wei | Like,opensuse! |
22:07.48 | tdgunes | Wei: 'Pardus' is the best KDE system they say |
22:08.36 | makmanalp | tdgunes: try switching video card drivers |
22:08.53 | tdgunes | makmanalp: I am trying now the 'radeonhd' driver |
22:09.05 | tdgunes | but this is just a xorg driver |
22:09.08 | tdgunes | let's see |
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22:09.31 | makmanalp | tdgunes: try fglrx |
22:10.18 | Wei | i think his X just crashed. :D |
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22:10.36 | makmanalp | heh |
22:10.46 | Wei | or maybe restarting X |
22:10.58 | Wei | Cuz he changed a new driver. |
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22:12.37 | tdgunes | Wei: makmanalp: It's working now |
22:12.39 | tdgunes | :) |
22:12.47 | Wei | lol. |
22:12.52 | Wei | congratz |
22:12.56 | tdgunes | radeonhd driver is ok for me, why I selected the fglrx |
22:12.59 | tdgunes | so strange |
22:13.11 | tdgunes | thanks |
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22:18.39 | makmanalp | tdgunes: nice, radeonhd isn't the best though, it's still being developed |
22:18.46 | makmanalp | 3d support is not great |
22:18.49 | makmanalp | etc |
22:19.14 | tdgunes | makmanalp: But it's better than fglrx for now, and I really don't need 3d support now |
22:19.19 | tdgunes | so it's ok for me :D |
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22:50.09 | LukasT | Hello, I'm using KDE 4.3.4 and I have proprietary NVidia driver installed. When I turn on Desktop Effects, kwin after some little time starts to eat 40-50% of one core of the CPU. Can you help me to find out more? |
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22:53.42 | tdgunes | LukasT: I have a problem like that, but mine is make everything freezed |
22:54.08 | LukasT | tdgunes: how many cores do you have? |
22:54.20 | tdgunes | LukasT: 2 ? |
22:54.20 | LukasT | tdgunes: have you got idea if there is bug reported about this? |
22:54.34 | LukasT | tdgunes: me too , what is your distro and driver version? |
22:54.35 | cb400f | LukasT: try turning off all effects and re-enable them gradually one by one until the culprit is identified |
22:54.45 | cb400f | magic lamp would be my first suspect |
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22:55.37 | tdgunes | LukasT: I don't know, sorry |
22:55.43 | tdgunes | Lukast: Pardus, radeonhd not nvidia |
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22:58.40 | xaver | hello |
22:59.19 | xaver | i have a little trouble with kwin effects. if i activate always a small systemmonitor open -> http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6636/plasmadrop2imageshack18.png |
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22:59.57 | mgraesslin | xaver: disable the FPS effect |
23:00.57 | xaver | mgraesslin: thx |
23:01.06 | xaver | i killed nearly every process |
23:01.14 | xaver | and xkill dont worked .... |
23:03.28 | aanderse | in systemsettings under KDE Services Configuration there are some startup services, where can i read about them? |
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23:24.52 | Alumin | is it possible to adjust the printing paper size (ie Letter, A4, etc) in Kontact/KMail? whenever I try to print something, the printer complains about needing to load "A4R" paper even though the driver is configured for Letter |
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23:25.18 | Alumin | the CUPS test page and something I just printed out of Firefox both go through without issues, so I guess my CUPS/driver configuration is sound (?) |
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