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00:51.39 | MarkWil | Hi, I'm having trouble with keyboard layouts under KDE 4.3.2. Problems go back to when I first started with KDE 4. |
00:52.48 | MarkWil | Briefly, I'm currently typing using QWERTY layout but prefer Dvorak. If I use the KDE layout switcher app then normal typing switches layout. But in KDE (actually QT in general, I think) apps, pressing any modifier app seems to temporarily switch the layout back. |
00:53.22 | MarkWil | I.e. pressing <key> gives the appropriate Dvorak character, pressing Ctrl-<key> acts as if I was still using QWERTY |
00:53.49 | PovAddict | that's a feature |
00:54.08 | MarkWil | Through Googling I've seen various folks report this problem but nobody seems to have reached a resolution. I wondered if anyone here had encountered it. |
00:54.27 | PovAddict | so that things like Ctrl-X, C, and V make some damn sense |
00:54.44 | PovAddict | you may not want the feature, and there may be a way to change it, but it's not a "problem" like a "bug" |
00:54.46 | MarkWil | PovAddict: I can see how it could be useful, but the fact it only happens in QT/KDE apps is a problem for me as I have to mentally switch keyboard layouts depending on what toolkit an app's written in .. |
00:55.19 | PovAddict | oh, that's indeed a problem :P |
00:55.22 | MarkWil | Yeah |
00:55.41 | MarkWil | And it's a change in functionality from when I was using Kde 3 but I can't really see *why* that would have changed! |
00:55.44 | pinotree | (note that if you want to camelcase it, it is Qt and not QT) |
00:55.44 | saethr | does dolphin freeze for anyone else? |
00:56.01 | MarkWil | Interestingly it seems to also manifest in Qt3 apps, further confusing me. |
00:56.08 | MarkWil | saethr: Whilst doing what? |
00:56.29 | saethr | :/ |
00:56.31 | saethr | just randomly |
00:56.39 | MarkWil | Erk! |
00:56.42 | saethr | click on icon, sometimes it freezes for a few secs |
00:57.04 | saethr | meh, ill use konqueror i suppose |
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00:57.20 | saethr | rather use thunar, but seems to only use gnome icons from ~/.icons |
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00:58.57 | MarkWil | saethr: Does using Konqueror fix it? |
00:59.29 | saethr | yes |
00:59.32 | saethr | seems to |
00:59.45 | saethr | meh, they both suck |
00:59.48 | MarkWil | I thought Konqueror's file management code was now based on Dolphin'ss!? |
00:59.55 | saethr | :/ |
00:59.59 | saethr | regardless |
01:00.10 | saethr | gui file management has no need of being so buffed up |
01:00.14 | MarkWil | Is Krusader still around for KDE 4? |
01:00.15 | saethr | too many features |
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01:00.27 | saethr | i dont know |
01:00.39 | MarkWil | could be worth trying perhaps |
01:00.47 | szal | Krusader still exists |
01:00.48 | pinotree | MarkWil: yes, they ported it and continue develop it |
01:01.21 | szal | pinotree: either 'to develop' or 'developing' ;) |
01:01.30 | pinotree | heh |
01:01.39 | Jucato | no "to developing"? ;) |
01:01.50 | szal | lol, definitely not |
01:02.05 | pinotree | "to kicking Jucato" -- might fit |
01:02.05 | pinotree | :p |
01:02.05 | Jucato | meh, Engrish ftw! :P |
01:02.10 | Jucato | pinotree: that's fine with me :D |
01:03.15 | MarkWil | I guess I'll try out some other layout switchers. I don't mind Qwerty but it's a bit weird not being able to switch layouts consistently. |
01:03.21 | szal | Jucato: Engrish? 'for successfur riving'? *gg* |
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01:04.50 | PovAddict | I'll switch to dvorak the day there is a cheap Optimus-like keyboard |
01:05.39 | MarkWil | So you can switch the keycaps? |
01:06.01 | MarkWil | I learnt Dvorak on a Qwerty board and now I get really confused if I actually *see* a Dvorak layout |
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01:06.14 | MarkWil | I have to look away and pretend it's not there |
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01:06.26 | PovAddict | MarkWil: do you know what the optimus is like? |
01:06.37 | szal | most times you don't have to look at the keyboard anyway if you _can_ type :P |
01:06.38 | MarkWil | PovAddict: Yeah |
01:06.52 | PovAddict | I'd want to use that feature where pressing a modifier key switches to qwerty temporarily |
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01:07.11 | PovAddict | and that would be saner if I see the change on the keyboard immediately after pressing the mod key ;) |
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01:08.26 | PovAddict | one of the trickiest things with an alternate keyboard layout is probably vim... |
01:08.42 | MarkWil | I found it had a horrible effect on emacs |
01:08.50 | MarkWil | which already has horrible ergonomics before you move all the keys around! |
01:08.56 | PovAddict | heh |
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01:09.51 | MarkWil | It almost seems like my keymap problem is more complicated than I thought |
01:10.53 | MarkWil | It seems as if, in a Qt app, I use mod+<key>, it'll use a Qwerty interpretation of <key> if one exists, otherwise use a Dvorak interpretation. Which is even more confusing! |
01:12.07 | MarkWil | So, if press Ctrl+W in Konversation (that's the Qwerty key marked W, whereas in Dvorak it means ,) whilst in Dvorak mode it'll close the tab. But if I do Ctrl+E (i.e. Ctrl+. in Dvorak) it will move me rightwards one tab as you'd expect. |
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01:12.41 | PovAddict | wtf |
01:12.47 | MarkWil | Ctrl+, and Ctrl+. (again, I'm talking about the keys as identified by their Qwerty mapping) both have their normal meanings, no matter which layout I'm in. |
01:13.02 | MarkWil | Am I going mad? |
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01:18.22 | MarkWil | Maybe I should treat it as a Qt problem instead... |
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01:23.28 | MarkWil | Oho, that's interesting, it works fine if I use setxkbmap on the command line... |
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01:48.04 | saethr | anyone know about using compositing with openbox or awesome wm? |
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01:58.15 | Jucato | saethr: compositing is a function of the window manager. so "using compositing with" means use openbox/awesome's compositing, if they have compositing. either way, it won't be KDE's compositing and you won't be able to use KWin's desktop effects |
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02:06.04 | saethr | rgr |
02:06.06 | saethr | that sucks |
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02:15.07 | factor | What are the core kde developem packages to get a plasma widget to compile |
02:15.25 | saethr | depends |
02:15.26 | saethr | what distro |
02:15.31 | factor | debian |
02:15.36 | saethr | dunno |
02:15.44 | saethr | kdebase |
02:16.02 | factor | just getting ready to do some compiling know I will be grabbing al lthe dependencies |
02:16.02 | saethr | i would check, but i have custom module kde + repo |
02:16.03 | saethr | so |
02:16.05 | saethr | its different for u |
02:16.47 | factor | how to I use cmake |
02:16.52 | factor | I am not familiar with it |
02:16.57 | factor | cmake build or something |
02:17.43 | saethr | why not use apt-get? |
02:17.48 | factor | I will |
02:17.57 | factor | ust want to hit the core dev packages first. |
02:18.05 | factor | that will get all the needed ones as follows |
02:18.14 | saethr | :/ |
02:18.16 | saethr | svn stuffs |
02:18.26 | saethr | i dunno, i use arch... so, no fuss |
02:18.35 | factor | how do I compile with cmake. |
02:18.43 | saethr | :o |
02:18.49 | saethr | google |
02:19.10 | factor | CMakeLists.txt |
02:19.18 | factor | I have that but nothing is working |
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02:31.52 | *** topic/#kde is KDE SC 4.3.4 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://pastebin.ca | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
02:32.12 | factor | nice |
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02:33.41 | brun0_|laptop | hello |
02:33.50 | brun0_|laptop | how do I activate window snapping in kde 4.4 ? |
02:38.36 | factor | trying to find the plasma dev packge |
02:38.46 | factor | cant seem to fine the dev version |
02:42.15 | factor | cool got most of the way finished , thanks |
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02:42.32 | factor | little debugging is all I need now, but everything is a go :) |
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03:26.23 | bleck | Torch: the problem is, I want the "task manager" to take up most of the space, not the "run command" |
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03:46.17 | minor723 | I am running arch linux. And i cannot run command sudo kdesu kcontrol / I want to change my system settings |
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03:49.18 | minor723 | Any ideas? |
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04:14.16 | Minor723 | Is there a program I can get that will work with my scanner, I want to scan a picture. |
04:15.13 | PovAddict | I used to use kooka |
04:15.17 | PovAddict | in KDE3.5 days |
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04:15.23 | PovAddict | not sure if it's ported to KDE4 |
04:15.28 | nevyn | sigh sane... |
04:15.31 | Minor723 | PovAddict, Yeah I cant find that in pacman |
04:15.40 | Minor723 | PovAddict, I also dont know how to search with pacman |
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04:16.07 | PovAddict | nevyn: sane is a library |
04:17.57 | nevyn | yes yes it is. |
04:18.20 | Minor723 | Thanks a bunch! |
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04:18.44 | nevyn | it includes a basic scanning program called xsane which is a fronend for scanning using X but it's ugly |
04:18.51 | PovAddict | I never used xsane |
04:19.00 | PovAddict | I did use the command-line tool once when I had to scan a lot of pages |
04:19.04 | PovAddict | well photos |
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04:19.40 | PovAddict | better to write a script where I can just press enter and it scans at the right size, then slices the image with imagemagick... and waits for me to load new photos and press enter :) |
04:19.46 | Minor723 | Oh wow, thought there would be an easy way |
04:19.51 | PovAddict | but yeah, that tool is not for daily use :) |
04:19.53 | Minor723 | Can you import scanner through gimp? |
04:25.35 | nevyn | Minor723: yes |
04:25.51 | nevyn | you can aquire an image from a sane connected scanner in gimp |
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04:47.50 | paul424 | Hey, does the kde 4 env is fully compatible with the appliactions from the kde version 3 ? |
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04:50.34 | PovAddict | paul424: of course, it's also compatible with gnome apps or anything that uses X |
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05:08.16 | paul424 | The Qt 4 series is not binary compatible with the 3 series. |
05:08.18 | paul424 | Qt 4 is also not completely source compatible with 3. |
05:08.29 | PovAddict | but Qt3 apps run in KDE4 just fine |
05:08.56 | paul424 | kdevelop does not |
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05:08.59 | PovAddict | GTK is binary and source and fundamentally incompatible with Qt, so what, you can run gimp in KDE anyway |
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05:12.39 | Jucato | paul424: you mean like http://imagebin.ca/view/eO3wD4.html |
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05:16.49 | paul424 | Jucato: yeah thats nice how did you do that ? |
05:17.20 | PovAddict | paul424: you're saying kdevelop3 doesn't work but not saying what "doesn't work" means |
05:17.25 | paul424 | I have slackware so anyway which packages holds : kdelibs3.5 and Qt3 ? |
05:17.47 | paul424 | well it says libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
05:17.50 | PovAddict | I never used slackware |
05:18.03 | PovAddict | well there you go, you don't have Qt3 :) |
05:18.09 | Jucato | paul424: sorry, no clue with slackware. I just installed kdevelop from Fedora's repos and it works |
05:18.32 | paul424 | aha ... yeah seems it has support out of the box , thanks |
05:18.51 | paul424 | I mean fedora has it , slackware does not :) |
05:19.22 | Jucato | well, more like your distro doesn't resolve dependencies for you. you hunt them down yourself (afaik) |
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05:26.45 | paul424 | strange they are all installed |
05:27.01 | paul424 | hmm must see what that library is from ... |
05:28.06 | Jucato | you compile Qt 3 yourself right? |
05:29.11 | Jucato | paul424: if you're compiling Qt3 yourself, make sure to use -thread in the configure options. that will produce the libqt-mt.so.X |
05:29.20 | Jucato | (of course, check first if the file already exists anyway) |
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05:30.20 | paul424 | me stupid, I didn;t do ldconfig after installing some package .. |
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05:47.58 | Alan502_ | hi:) why cant i select my mobile broadband connection on knetwork manager? i have already configured it correctly in "Edit connections" but i cannot select it. Could you help me please? |
05:56.09 | factor | Anyone get this problem in KDE findServiceByDesktopPath: not found |
05:56.39 | factor | I have ran kbuildsycoca4 but it did not resolve the probllem |
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06:33.13 | monkeyiq | What is the procedure for selecting/reserving the int used in kDebug? eg, kDebug(30003) |
06:39.48 | monkeyiq | ok, seems to be to add it here... /usr/share/config/kdebug.areas |
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06:57.16 | factor | got the plasma widget to work cmake put it in /usr/local/lib and not /usr/lib which seems plasma does not look into /usr/local/lib |
06:57.51 | saethr | any wine guys in here? |
06:57.55 | saethr | having problems |
06:58.16 | factor | I use it |
06:58.23 | saethr | k |
06:58.23 | factor | for skype and itunes |
06:58.25 | saethr | i cant see webpages |
06:58.27 | saethr | :| |
06:58.29 | saethr | its all white |
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06:58.44 | saethr | fixme:urlmon:create_object Could not find object for MIME L"text/html" |
06:58.52 | factor | web pages it uses geko engine not ie for web pages |
06:59.10 | factor | I have not gotten the web stuff to work really. |
06:59.45 | saethr | damn |
07:00.38 | factor | What are you trying to do with web that you cannot under linux |
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07:12.23 | noaXess | good morning.. |
07:12.24 | noaXess | have allready my printing problem.. my apps, kde apps, tb and/or ff won't use the default printer settings from cups.. don't know wh |
07:12.44 | noaXess | have kde 4.3.4 |
07:13.37 | saethr | still need help with wine gecko |
07:13.38 | saethr | if anyone knows about it lemme know |
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07:27.12 | spvensko | hi, i'm a much larger fan of kde 3.5 over kde 4.3. is there still support and development for 3.5 or has all focus shifted to 4.3? |
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07:29.49 | xdan779 | spvensko: 3.5.10 is very likely the last release for the 3.5 series |
07:30.05 | spvensko | ah that's depressing :( |
07:30.35 | xdan779 | for some it may be |
07:30.48 | spvensko | yes, i guess it depends on the user :) |
07:31.06 | spvensko | some see 4.3 as a step in the right direction but geezers like me don't seem to share the view :P |
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07:33.09 | alibaba | Hello, I was asked by a lady who wants to buy a new computer if voice recognition (primarily for dictating letters into Ooo or kmail) is available. I got her very interested in LINUX but then this question arose. Does somebody here know a really useful software for that? The target system will be OpenSuSE 11.2 and the required language to be used will be German. |
07:35.01 | xdan779 | spvensko: really depends, some users get set in there ways, my sr has been using cde/ksh on solaris 7 for god knows how many years. I am just a damn kid with my Linux and god forbid bash or zshell |
07:35.23 | spvensko | haha i hear you |
07:35.35 | xdan779 | if kde 3.5.10 is good for you now, then lucky for you it will not change for many years to come |
07:35.45 | spvensko | kde 4.3 is just way too confusing and way too much glits and glamor |
07:35.50 | spvensko | i guess that's one way to look at it |
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08:01.44 | togge | techbase and bugs down? |
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08:43.30 | krege | where holidays information stored for date plasmoid? @not show holidays@ only available |
08:44.11 | pusling | krege: it is stored in libkholidays |
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09:23.57 | rohdef | how does KDE render transparancy? Opengl? Software? Or? |
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09:30.12 | slacker_nl | hello, maybe a faq question |
09:30.12 | pusling | rohdef: opengl or xrender. you can choose |
09:30.25 | slacker_nl | but how do i disable all accesability features in KDE? |
09:30.52 | pusling | slacker_nl: I don't think you can disable the pretty yellow stickers in konqueror |
09:31.05 | slacker_nl | pusling: uhh? |
09:31.37 | pusling | or which accessibility features are you talkinga bout that can't be disabled from systemsettinghs?` |
09:35.32 | slacker_nl | slwo keys and such |
09:35.42 | slacker_nl | i don't want kde to respond to that trigger |
09:35.53 | slacker_nl | i just want to be able to press a key and not have a popup |
09:36.17 | slacker_nl | it enabled itself today without warning ( i saw the popup and then it was gone, pressed a button in between i guess) |
09:36.50 | slacker_nl | basicly i want KDE without accessibility features |
09:36.56 | slacker_nl | coz I'm not disabled |
09:37.20 | pusling | slacker_nl: gestures for triggering accessibility features can be disabled in systemsettttings |
09:37.36 | slacker_nl | pusling: haven't seen it |
09:38.22 | pinotree | system settings → accessibility |
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09:41.25 | slacker_nl | i've seen that, but all buttons are unchecke |
09:41.26 | slacker_nl | d |
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11:50.00 | pusling | krege: in the sources, I think |
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11:52.13 | Kebianizao|work | Hello |
11:52.41 | Kebianizao|work | Is it possible to do something like http://code.google.com/p/fsrunner/wiki/UsingFSRunner does with vanilla KDE? |
11:52.57 | Kebianizao|work | and if not, any plans to include that in KDE? |
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11:55.58 | LockeVendetta | hi, does anyone can confirm or deny if there's any option to define a wide proxy configuration for the whole system with kde (4.3)? |
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11:56.53 | Kebianizao|work | LockeVendetta: kcmshell4 proxy |
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12:04.11 | pusling | Kebianizao|work: you can just build (and package, hi hi) that fsrunner thing ,) |
12:05.02 | Kebianizao|work | pusling: that's WiP :P but I'd still wanted to know if there are any official plans for that functionallity that TBH I already expected in krunner |
12:05.20 | Kebianizao|work | never got the point about nepomuk stuff |
12:05.41 | pusling | neopmuk is the best thing since sliced bread |
12:05.51 | pinotree | slices pusling |
12:06.03 | Kebianizao|work | :D |
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12:07.28 | pusling | the best thing since sliced pusling |
12:08.03 | LockeVendetta | Kebianizao|work: that also will set the proxy configuration for the non-kde apps like firefox? |
12:08.30 | pinotree | LockeVendetta: no |
12:08.35 | Kebianizao|work | I'm afraid not, maybe setting http_proxy env var |
12:08.43 | Kebianizao|work | but I'd doubt that as well |
12:08.52 | LockeVendetta | :S |
12:09.48 | LockeVendetta | i was trying to avoid to set proxy for all apps that i have installed |
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12:10.55 | Kebianizao|work | from my point of view if you set http_proxy each app should use it by default, unless you explictily change that setting from the app |
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12:12.16 | dorin | hy |
12:12.25 | LockeVendetta | Kebianizao|work: i have another tricky problem: the proxy requires autentication is defined by .dat file :S |
12:13.11 | Kebianizao|work | weird :) |
12:13.14 | LockeVendetta | and the apps i'm using are always prompting me to set the autentication data, what becomes a little annoying to me :S |
12:13.31 | Kebianizao|work | is fully against proxying, even more since he works behind one |
12:13.40 | Kebianizao|work | LockeVendetta: what kind of proxy is that? |
12:14.26 | LockeVendetta | Kebianizao: i really dont know, just using the configurations that wre given to me by the company |
12:14.27 | dorin | i want to open a file (avi) with mplayer and load the *.sub found in that directory : what i did so far: terminal -x mplayer %f |
12:14.41 | dorin | so how can i load the sub ? |
12:16.09 | Kebianizao|work | LockeVendetta: if you are behind M$ ISA proxy I suggest taking a look at cntlm </OT> |
12:18.37 | LockeVendetta | Kebianizao: there's any direct documentation or website you could point me out to use cntlm? |
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12:19.57 | ruurd | currently it says akonadi not operational when opening the addresses application in kontact. |
12:21.38 | Kebianizao|work | LockeVendetta: http://cntlm.sourceforge.net/ and your distro's package doc |
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12:25.53 | LockeVendetta | Kebianizao|work: i'll give it a try |
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13:06.45 | xolubi | any sound recorders for kde |
13:06.47 | xolubi | ? |
13:08.25 | Half-Left | You might want to try and looking on kde-apps.org |
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13:09.35 | xolubi | Half-Left: alright |
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13:56.44 | xolubi | Half-Left: i use thunderbird |
13:56.55 | xolubi | kmail looks like child's play |
13:57.18 | Half-Left | I was just trying the new version |
13:57.19 | pinotree | (a bit unpolite) |
13:57.39 | Half-Left | I don't usually use email clients |
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13:59.27 | Half-Left | Personally I wouldn't touch Thunderbird |
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14:49.50 | cemysce | hi all, i have kde 4.3.3 and when i right click on tasks in the taskbar, the context menu is very weird looking |
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14:50.35 | cemysce | the entries in the menu are of the expected width, but the box for the menu itself extends a couple hundred pixels more to the right looking very very weird |
14:50.36 | annma | cemysce: how weird? |
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14:51.13 | cemysce | annma: i'll try to get a screenshot |
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14:55.42 | cemysce | annma: i've got a 23.3KB jpeg, how shall i send it (if you're still interested in taking a look)? |
14:58.01 | cemysce | annma: http://imagebin.ca/view/v3HPv9b.html |
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15:13.43 | sobczyk | is it a bug when blender menus are nto displaying when compositing is on? |
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15:19.29 | Ian_N | hey, does anyone have a minute to help me with some kdewallet problems? |
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15:48.59 | Ian_N | I keep on getting an Error code -9: Readerror - possibly incorrect password., even though I know the password is correct |
15:49.26 | Ian_N | I can use the same password to open kdewallet for pidgin, and it works just fine |
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15:55.49 | SeekerNL | I have a video dvd and it just 2mv to big can I not force k3b to burn it anyway? |
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15:59.31 | Pconfig | hello, i'm trying out KDE SC 4.4 beta1 but plasma-desktop crashes every startup. For some reason though, i can't seem to get a backtrace so filing a bugreport is useless. drkonqi doesn't even start. This is the output when i try to start it in konsole: http://pastebin.com/d467d245b. I already removed all plasma config files but that didn't help |
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16:07.21 | annma | what install Pconfig? looks like the Hal bug |
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16:08.48 | Pconfig | annma: opensuse 11.2 |
16:08.58 | annma | hal version? |
16:09.28 | Pconfig | 0.5.13-4-2.1 |
16:10.30 | annma | should be fine iirc |
16:10.42 | Pconfig | indeed |
16:10.53 | annma | try gdb plasma-desktop |
16:10.57 | Pconfig | the strange thing is that it worked before.. nothing changed |
16:11.08 | annma | ah |
16:11.11 | Pconfig | i tried that but when i run backtrace afterwards i get: no stack |
16:11.16 | annma | and you didnot upgrade any package? |
16:15.01 | Pconfig | nope |
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16:15.01 | annma | so a new user works |
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16:15.01 | Pconfig | hmm, let me try that out |
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16:15.53 | Pconfig | annma: is there a command to switch users? |
16:16.04 | annma | command line is su - <username> |
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16:16.36 | Pconfig | that only works for konsole? |
16:17.00 | annma | terminal |
16:17.33 | Pconfig | yes, but i mean switching the logged in user in kde. Getting back to kdm |
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16:18.55 | Pconfig | i'll kill X to try to login with the new user |
16:18.56 | Pconfig | brb |
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16:19.54 | Niek-work | How do I make dolphin show the image dimensions in the file details? |
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16:22.07 | Pconfig | annma: same problem |
16:22.30 | annma | ouch then you broke your system |
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16:23.09 | annma | did you ask in opensuse |
16:24.14 | Pconfig | not yet, going to try to reinstall those kde packages. The strange thing is that it worked yesterday, i started up my computer this morning and plasma wouldn't start anymore |
16:24.17 | Pconfig | i didn't update any package |
16:25.38 | Pconfig | whow, wait a min, for some reason some packages got converted back to kde 4.3 :s |
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17:15.41 | jasmcdon_home | hi folks, does anyone how to get the kde panel to respect the user's colours in opensuse 11.2? |
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17:16.34 | jasmcdon_home | the panel stubbornly keeps the default appearance when the user changes colour scheme |
17:17.08 | jasmcdon_home | unfortuantely, teh deefault panel appearance isn't so good if you're colour blind |
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17:20.54 | noobC | Anyone handy with Quasel IRC |
17:21.23 | pinotree | noobC: #quassel |
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17:24.06 | noobC | Thanks pinotree |
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18:34.31 | Vamp898 | With kopete you can see more crashes than in a nascar race |
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18:42.57 | Marchitos | is there any one who is using trunk here? |
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18:44.21 | Vamp898 | sometimes im thinking im using trunk, but when i watch at the version it says "stable" |
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18:45.40 | Marchitos | ah ah xd |
18:45.45 | Marchitos | what's your problem? |
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18:54.58 | Vamp898 | hmm |
18:55.02 | Vamp898 | let us begin with Konqueror |
18:55.04 | Vamp898 | it cant handle Java |
18:55.10 | Vamp898 | than Kopete, 10 crashes per hour |
18:55.26 | sandsmark | Vamp898, whines 10 times a minute |
18:55.27 | sandsmark | :-D |
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18:55.46 | PovAddict | Vamp898: how many bug reports with stacktrace did you file for kopete? |
18:56.23 | sandsmark | and did you file a bugreport about Konqueror and Java? |
18:56.37 | Half-Left | If it crashes that much then you must have a config problem |
18:57.18 | Half-Left | I can't even remember when Kopete last crashed and I use it everyday |
18:57.33 | Vamp898 | i already removed all configs and lost all log files |
18:57.35 | Vamp898 | it does not helped |
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18:57.56 | Vamp898 | konqueror cant use Java since 4.x and there are already tons of bug reports in case of this |
18:58.10 | Vamp898 | i think _nobody_ can use Konqueror with Java so i dont have to fill a bug report |
18:58.18 | sandsmark | uhm, I distinctly remember having used Java applets in Konqueror in KDE 4 |
18:58.31 | pinotree | Vamp898: then i am nobody |
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18:59.26 | pinotree | Vamp898: do you have a 'java' executable available? try `java -version` in a terminal |
18:59.39 | PovAddict | what I know doesn't work is client-side SSL certs |
18:59.58 | Vamp898 | pinotree http://java.sun.com/applets/jdk/1.4/demo/applets/ArcTest/example1.html show me a screenshot where you run this simple JDK Example applet and than tell me your config |
19:01.08 | pinotree | works here (as expected) |
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19:01.34 | Vamp898 | i asked in this IRC about 100 times an everybody told me that he cant get Java working |
19:01.42 | Vamp898 | plz tell me how you did it so that all other can use it too |
19:01.53 | pinotree | i asked you a question |
19:02.03 | Vamp898 | which? |
19:02.06 | sandsmark | [20:00:26] <pinotree> Vamp898: do you have a 'java' executable available? try `java -version` in a terminal |
19:02.11 | Half-Left | Java works here too in Konqueror |
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19:02.32 | Vamp898 | sure i have java executable. It works in Firefox perfectly too and im writing Java apps myself |
19:02.47 | Vamp898 | SUN JDK 1.6 |
19:02.48 | sandsmark | Vamp898: which distro, then? |
19:02.50 | Vamp898 | Gentoo |
19:02.55 | pinotree | firefox needs a java plugin, konqueror just a java executable |
19:03.11 | sandsmark | Vamp898: checked your use-flags? :-) |
19:03.21 | sandsmark | and make sure it is enabled in the Konqueror settings? |
19:03.29 | Half-Left | Working--> http://imagebin.ca/view/iy-Gr1.html |
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19:03.51 | sandsmark | ugh, swing's text rendering :> |
19:04.00 | sandsmark | just remember why he stopped writing java :-P |
19:04.09 | Half-Left | hehe |
19:04.23 | pinotree | (well, you can write non-gui stuff with java :P) |
19:04.31 | sandsmark | pinotree: that's no fun :-P |
19:04.38 | tangentcollision | hey, I've got kde on my eeepc, I need to make a custom resolution for my screen being 800x480. How might I do this? (google didn't turn up anything specifically useful.) |
19:04.45 | Half-Left | All I did was set the java path to /usr/bin /java |
19:04.56 | Vamp898 | Ö_Ö |
19:05.01 | Vamp898 | why the hell does Java works? |
19:05.04 | Vamp898 | i did nothing |
19:05.06 | Vamp898 | and it works |
19:05.11 | Vamp898 | wait a second............. |
19:05.11 | pinotree | lulz |
19:05.15 | sandsmark | :-P |
19:05.27 | Vamp898 | i updated to 4.3.4 and since than i did not checked again |
19:05.37 | Half-Left | Yeah, that's Linux for you, works, doesn't work sometimes :p |
19:05.51 | tangentcollision | yeah |
19:05.53 | tangentcollision | pretty much |
19:06.15 | pinotree | TangentCollision: what do you mean with "make a custom resolution of my screen"? |
19:06.38 | TangentCollision | I need to make the screen resolution 800x480 and not 640x480 |
19:06.45 | Half-Left | xorg.conf |
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19:06.59 | sandsmark | Half-Left: depends on the distro |
19:07.27 | Half-Left | yeah, it has hotplug now days |
19:07.58 | TangentCollision | it's slax I believe |
19:08.04 | TangentCollision | I can't find an xorg.conf |
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19:09.00 | Half-Left | ask your distro channel, this has nothing to do with KDE |
19:10.09 | TangentCollision | okay |
19:10.12 | TangentCollision | peace |
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19:36.24 | Vamp898 | ok i officially have to say sorry to the KDE theme |
19:36.36 | ExElNeT | how can i tell kde4 to use my self defined (.asoundrc) devices? |
19:36.36 | Vamp898 | Konqeuror works for me since 4.3.4 with Java 4.3.4. |
19:36.40 | Vamp898 | *-4.3.4. xD |
19:37.26 | cemysce | my taskbar context menu in kde 4.3.3 is broken system-wide (even for newly created users). it is way too wide, see this screenshot: http://imagebin.ca/view/v3HPv9b.html |
19:37.57 | Vamp898 | which Distribution? |
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19:38.10 | cemysce | Gentoo |
19:38.28 | Vamp898 | why not update to 4.3.4? |
19:38.33 | cemysce | it was fine at first. it must be some configuration issue |
19:38.53 | Vamp898 | you say its with new users to, so with clean configurations |
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19:39.00 | cemysce | yes |
19:39.16 | Vamp898 | do you have dejavu installed? |
19:39.20 | cemysce | yes |
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19:39.39 | Vamp898 | im on Gentoo too but i never had this problem with 4.3.3 |
19:39.49 | cemysce | all of my interface fonts are some variation of DejaVu Sans |
19:40.04 | Vamp898 | you could try to upgrade to 4.3.4 |
19:40.15 | Vamp898 | did you changed any USE-Flags without doing emerge -DNavu world? |
19:40.19 | cemysce | i have another friend who installed kde 4.3.3, but we have different configs -- he has the same issue. also gentoo |
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19:40.30 | cemysce | no, i did not |
19:40.46 | Vamp898 | do you use Qt 4.6? |
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19:41.15 | lubyou | i dont understand the booksmarks in console. I want to add a bookmark that opens a new tab in console and does ssh -l user -P 12345 host.tld. how do i do that? |
19:41.25 | lubyou | console = Konsole |
19:43.13 | cemysce | Vamp898: im using qt 4.5.3 |
19:44.21 | Vamp898 | it cant be a configuration issue, beceause a new user have no configuration |
19:44.40 | Vamp898 | maybe im wrongt but in my oppinion that sounds logical xD |
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19:45.49 | Vamp898 | do you accept ~x86 keyword? |
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19:46.46 | cemysce | Vamp898: kde does have system-wide config files though, like in /usr/share/config. i've looked through those and nothing stands out. |
19:47.18 | cemysce | Vamp898: there are certain softmasked packages i unmask but system-wide i'm running stable. amd64 actually, not x86 |
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19:47.41 | tech1 | anyone available to help walk me thru something thats probably pretty simple but is eluding me because i'm not used to this version of KDE? |
19:47.47 | Vamp898 | when i used KDE 4.3.3 i used unstable and it worked xD |
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19:48.15 | tech1 | KDE that comes with jaunty.....wheres the setting to make the cdrom autoload? |
19:48.19 | Vamp898 | does the packages which you have unmasked maybe anything to do with the error |
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19:49.14 | cemysce | i doubt it because i had already installed all my masked packages before this happened |
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19:49.54 | cemysce | i did emerge the qtcurve theme and messed around with that. sometime after messing around with it is when i noticed this problem, but my friend has the same issue and he never installed qtcurve |
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19:50.51 | cemysce | i wish i had a reference KDE installation to compare with |
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19:59.25 | thebanana | anyone use an xmodmap here? |
19:59.39 | thebanana | something in kde 4.3 appears to be trampling my settings |
20:00.12 | thebanana | i can ``xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap`` either in Autostart or manually in a shell and my settings will take effect for a while |
20:00.26 | thebanana | then they magically get trounced after a little while. |
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20:01.10 | Vamp898 | cemysce is everything set correct in qt-config and systemsettings --> designs |
20:01.18 | gkffcsk | Hey all, I'm wondering if there is an official api of some kind to the kde places list? |
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20:02.58 | cemysce | Vamp898: i didnt even know about qtconfig. what is "correct"? |
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20:05.05 | cemysce | Vamp898: except for a couple of fonts, the settings are exactly the same as my qtconfig settings on my older kde 3.5 system |
20:06.18 | Vamp898 | cemysce for example i set to oxygen. and on systemsettings i use oxygen too |
20:07.16 | cemysce | Vamp898: GUI Style is set to "Desktop Settings (Default)" |
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20:08.41 | Vamp898 | cemysce change to oxygen |
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20:09.48 | cemysce | just did. logged off and back in' |
20:11.14 | cemysce | Vamp898: it didnt help |
20:11.38 | Vamp898 | did you tried to change to GNOME? *joke* |
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20:11.54 | Vamp898 | it sounds like its Gentoo related, maybe you want to ask in #gentoo |
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20:12.33 | cemysce | i've been asking all day |
20:12.39 | cemysce | nobody responds |
20:12.46 | cemysce | ive even asked in #gentoo-kde |
20:13.34 | Vamp898 | hmm thats sad :( people should more help each other |
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20:15.34 | cemysce | Vamp898: i'm not convinced it is a gentoo issue, but i did just discover that i am in fact using 4.3.1 not 4.3.3 |
20:15.51 | cemysce | so i'll at least update to 4.3.3 since that is stable in gentoo |
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20:18.18 | rohdef | is there some work in progress to improve dual-monitor-support in KDE4? |
20:18.50 | cemysce | rohdef: do new windows keep opening up on the wrong monitor for you too? |
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20:19.11 | rohdef | cemysce, if that was the only problem I would be happy :p |
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20:19.22 | _sho_ | anyone know how to deal with this in kmail |
20:19.29 | _sho_ | "GPGME was compiled without support for OpenPGP" |
20:19.40 | rohdef | cemysce, first off it would be nice not to have to run a command just to make it stop mirroring |
20:19.41 | cemysce | rohdef: from 3.5 -> 4.3 i did notice that i could drag maximized windows from one monitor to the other, which i really have been craving since i got a second monitor |
20:20.01 | cemysce | rohdef: mirroring? |
20:20.09 | rohdef | cemysce, ok, moving maximised windows works fine here |
20:20.33 | rohdef | cemysce, it shows the same image on both monitors |
20:20.35 | mat69 | is there a way to get a notice if someone posts on one of your uploads on kde-files.org? |
20:21.14 | cemysce | rohdef: it sounds like xorg is configured improperly. also, does your kde include xinerama support? |
20:21.16 | rohdef | cemysce, and the only way I can make it not do that it to run xrandr with a lot of parameters |
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20:22.16 | rohdef | cemysce, on Kubuntu so can't really say that for sure, I can say that xorg.conf don't exist anymore (I'm somehow impressed, I knew they tried to limit the need, but none at all that actually impressive) |
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20:23.36 | cemysce | rohdef: yeah, Xorg has greatly improved auto-detection of display hardware |
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20:24.30 | rohdef | cemysce, Gnome mostly handled the displays nice, but who can stand that horrible 1995-appearance for long? :p |
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20:24.50 | cemysce | rohdef: but personally i still configure everything. i use Gentoo Linux and my input devices are controlled by HAL and evdev config files. all i have in my xorg.conf is display settings |
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20:25.33 | rohdef | misses Gentoo, but don't have the time *sob* |
20:25.35 | cemysce | rohdef: even if xorg.conf isn't there, X should still use it if it finds it -- i think. im not familiar with how ubuntu has X setup |
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20:26.27 | cemysce | rohdef: so you could configure this stuff manually. in my config i still rely on auto-detection for a lot of the settings. |
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20:26.50 | rohdef | cemysce, I would prefer to avoid it if possible, also as far as I can see KDE should have some software to handle that properly, but of course I can't tell for sure if it's a mistake from the Ubuntu-guys side |
20:27.22 | rohdef | cemysce, xrandr is a control for xinerama, if I'm not mistaken? |
20:30.21 | cemysce | rohdef: i don't use xrandr, i think it is a rotation and resolution (r and r) control program |
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20:30.55 | cemysce | rohdef: i put my xorg.conf on pastebin, in case you want to have a look: http://pastebin.com/m28f11cc1 |
20:31.10 | rohdef | why not :) |
20:32.05 | rohdef | cemysce, I use it to tell where the monitors is placed and what resolution they should have |
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20:33.30 | rohdef | omfg. I love Tool's humor some times :p |
20:34.38 | cemysce | rohdef: run systemsettings, go to Computer Administration -> Display. do the settings in there look correct? |
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20:35.18 | rohdef | cemysce, if I open that it immediately puts my display back to mirroring and no option to put it back |
20:35.53 | cemysce | that is quite odd, as i'm sure you know :) |
20:36.11 | cemysce | there is also a Multiple Monitors section, do you have that? |
20:36.25 | cemysce | under Display, under Computer Administration |
20:36.35 | rohdef | yep it just says that it seems that I don't have the correct settings |
20:36.55 | rohdef | which might be related to xorg, but it shouldn't do that afaik |
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20:38.00 | cemysce | for me, all the checkboxes there are checked, Display 1 and 2 have the same width and height, display 1 starts at 0,0, display 2 starts at 1920,0 |
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20:38.54 | rohdef | ok, mine will never have the same sizes, since it's a laptop and a proper monitor |
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20:39.32 | ingwa | question about kwallet: I have a wallet that I don't have the password to and I want to reset it. How do I do that? |
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20:40.32 | cemysce | rohdef: it seems likely that it is some sort of detection problem. i assume the external monitor is connected and on during startup |
20:40.33 | rohdef | ingwa, reset like in deleting it and creating a new one? |
20:40.41 | rohdef | ingwa, or like password reset |
20:40.41 | ingwa | rohdef: yes |
20:41.01 | ingwa | or password reset if that's possible, but that would kind of defeat the purpose, wouldn't it? |
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20:41.14 | rohdef | ingwa, I haven't tried but I think you should be able to create a new one then delete the old |
20:41.49 | ingwa | First I thought that kwalletmanager would be something to use, but that never opens anything: no window and nothing in the systray |
20:41.59 | rohdef | ingwa, if I had made it password reset wouldn't be possible, it would encrypt it and have the key to open it as the only way for security-measures |
20:42.04 | p_masho | Strange. I've upgraded kubuntu. and now when I login in, it shows the "loggging in splash", then the desktop/taskbar appears for a second, then the whole screen goes completely black !! |
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20:42.39 | rohdef | cemysce, it is connected during startup, what annoys me is that Gnome does it right |
20:43.30 | rohdef | ingwa, ok, wierd, maybe you can find the settings in .kde or .kde4 and delete the kwallet folder (don't delete the .kde or .kde4 folders) |
20:43.59 | ingwa | rohdef: yeah, that was my second thought :) |
20:44.39 | rohdef | p_masho, might be an kubuntu-specifik problem, but you could try deleting the kde-settings, but you have to be really really sure you want to do that |
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20:46.43 | ingwa | rohdef: I went for the option to delete everything about kwallet under .kde |
20:47.02 | rohdef | ingwa, worked? |
20:47.26 | ingwa | rohdef: don't know yet |
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20:47.43 | ingwa | let's see... |
20:48.09 | rohdef | ok, otherwise it seems that there is a Wallet mangement tool on my system that should be able to do it, but the action should be almost the same |
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20:49.35 | ingwa | rohdef: yeah. Thanks for the tips. |
20:49.51 | rohdef | ingwa, det var saa lidt :) |
20:50.04 | p_masho | rohdef: that did it |
20:50.15 | ingwa | rohdef: mange takk |
20:50.28 | p_masho | is getting miffed with always a kde and nvidia problem on upgrade !! |
20:51.13 | rohdef | p_masho, my experiences with Jockey under Kubuntu ain't the best, I always end up installing the nvidia-drivers manually :p |
20:52.52 | p_masho | precisely |
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21:24.41 | alok_ | is it ok for kmail to constantly keep checking emails? |
21:25.01 | alok_ | this is happening since i disabled "interval checking".. it just doesn't stop checking |
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21:25.34 | alok_ | also.. with interval checking on.. kmail can never show a notification when a new mail is received |
21:25.48 | alok_ | i keep the account connected through kmail, thunderbird and my phone client |
21:26.00 | alok_ | thunderbird and phone immediately give notification... kmail does not |
21:26.03 | alok_ | why's that? |
21:26.25 | alok_ | is it not in sync with the IMAP server? does it have to be explicitly made to retrieve emails? |
21:28.15 | jthomas_sb | Does anyone know when Kivio and other KOffice will be available on Windows? the 2.1 release doesn't have Kivio |
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21:28.51 | krZy | jthomas_sb : ask in kde-windows |
21:28.59 | jthomas_sb | ok thanks |
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21:30.23 | Dashkal | Is there a utility that allows you to "run" a .desktop file from the command-line? |
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21:31.04 | krZy | make it executable? |
21:31.33 | kushou | Is there any key that lock screen when pressed ? |
21:31.44 | kushou | key or keys |
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21:32.53 | kushou | ok, I found it |
21:33.14 | Vamp898 | CTRL + ALT + L? |
21:33.34 | kushou | Can I set it to Windows + L ? |
21:34.19 | Dashkal | Yes. The windows key is referred to as "meta" in the keybinding dialog. |
21:37.13 | kushou | Ok thanks |
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21:42.43 | orzel | hello. i'm using kde 4.3.4, and i use akregator every day. Today, i dont know why, akregator started with an error about a plugin 'metakit' that could not load and would make my feeds to fail. But then it starts as usual. BUT it has forgotten about all items 'already read'. As such i now have 1300 unread items, and i have to sort them all again....... is there anything i could do/try to recover my previous state ? There should be only ~20 |
21:42.45 | orzel | unread items |
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23:11.02 | root | hi kde |
23:11.29 | Guest76828 | hi |
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23:11.39 | Guest76828 | anyone from pakistan ? |
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23:44.32 | dmarkey_ | thats EVEN with compositing off |
23:44.43 | dmarkey_ | seems to be konsole only |
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23:58.20 | Simkin | hey guys |
23:58.23 | Simkin | i'm using konversation |
23:58.32 | Simkin | and someone is gaming me by inviting me to channels and it's auto joining |
23:58.39 | Simkin | and i can't find out how to disable this feature... |
23:58.50 | Simkin | i think it's a recent bug. but it is driving me nuts. anyone know how to disable join on invite? |
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