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| 00:09.57 | CrewzDS | says hello |
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| 00:12.06 | CKnight | i'm trying clirc on my ds, it |
| 00:12.17 | CKnight | it's kinda cool |
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| 00:59.50 | kde185 | for KAuth do I need to explicitly build qt-kde to enable polkit-qt or does it automatically get built? |
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| 01:07.42 | The_Journey | how do I start the plasma-widget-daisy from this http://lechio.freehostia.com/daisy.html#mark1 |
| 01:08.01 | oneforall | x-msvideo how do i get the embedded to work with mplayerplug-in ? |
| 01:08.16 | oneforall | nscapse one is no good |
| 01:08.35 | oneforall | and dragon one is no use either |
| 01:09.18 | oneforall | add doesn't list it :( |
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| 01:30.09 | drew3 | Hi people, is there a setting or switch some place in kde4 that directs all windows to open full screen? Actually I want it to stop windows opening full screen. |
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| 01:39.33 | karthikp | drew3: By default, I can't think of anything that opens full screened. |
| 01:39.47 | karthikp | In any case, KDE should remember the last open size and open it at that size. |
| 01:41.07 | karthikp | You can, however, set your preferences by rightclicking on the titlebar of the window and then Configure Window Behavior. |
| 01:41.12 | drew3 | ty, I've been looking for a while for a setting, and it is good to hear from someone else, that there isn't one. :) |
| 01:41.30 | karthikp | By default, in vanilla KDE, there's none. |
| 01:41.38 | karthikp | But that doesn't mean you can't set one. |
| 01:41.53 | drew3 | It could be compiz. |
| 01:42.16 | karthikp | Perhaps. You can also verify this with your distro to check if they don't ship it with something like that turned on. |
| 01:42.34 | karthikp | I'd imagine they might want to do that if they're targetting small form devices like netbooks. |
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| 01:52.11 | rellin | Sometimes when I receive messages in Kopete, kopete will crash. Does anyone know how to resolve this problem? |
| 01:53.07 | karthikp | Check if there's a similar bug filed at bko. (bugs.kde.org) |
| 01:53.57 | karthikp | It could also be a distro-specific bug, so it always helps to check in your distro's channel if anyone else is experiencing similar crashes. |
| 01:55.18 | karthikp | It could also be some preference you're using. Then, you might want to file a bug yourself if you track it down. |
| 01:56.30 | karthikp | I haven't seen a kopete crash since 4.3 at least (on arch). Before that it used to randomly crash at logout sometimes... |
| 01:56.32 | rellin | karthikp, thanks. I was thinking it might be an old config file. I'm on arch so I never reinstall the thing EVER, haha. |
| 01:56.51 | rellin | karthikp: strange, its crashing for me all the time, i'm on kdemod. |
| 01:57.07 | karthikp | rellin: I use the vanilla packages. |
| 01:57.47 | karthikp | rellin: Won't hurt to check with the kdemod channel to see if anyone else is seeing similar behavior. |
| 01:57.56 | rellin | karthikp: aaah I chose kdemod a long time ago and its hard to change back. they do a great job though. I think I'll do that. |
| 01:58.26 | karthikp | Right, there shouldn't be since at least their KDE4 packages are supposed to be pretty close to the vanilla KDE packages. |
| 01:58.37 | karthikp | Only their KDE3 packages are heavily modded. |
| 01:59.00 | rellin | karthikp: yeah, I've noticed that. they have some new packages, but they havnt modified the old ones much in 4.3. It was more dramatic in 4.1. |
| 02:00.30 | rellin | I kinda wish Synapse was still alive. It appears to be a dead project. :( |
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| 02:02.00 | karthikp | Indeed, kopete sometimes feels lacking in feature plans. I'd personally like to see some video conferencing bits working. :( |
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| 02:03.46 | rellin | karthikp: do you run jabber/gtalk? |
| 02:04.54 | rellin | karthikp: there's no guides to producing plugins either. I want to see how easy it would be to embed YouTube videos into chat windows when people send you a link. |
| 02:05.22 | karthikp | rellin: gtalk would be nice for a start. |
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| 02:05.59 | karthikp | Wait, I didn't get that. Why not just send a link in the chat? |
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| 02:06.18 | rellin | karthikp: I'm talking about Gtalk/Jabber as a kopete protocol. I found a gentoo bug report that says Gtalk/Jabber status changes can crash Kopete. |
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| 02:06.41 | rellin | karthikp: just to reduce mouse clicks. when people send me a youtube, I'd rather not have it open a whole web browser when I just want to see the video. :) |
| 02:06.41 | HorizonXP | i'm trying to emerge @kdepim-4.4, and i'm stuck on kpilot |
| 02:06.44 | HorizonXP | it compiles just fine, but apparently, there is no rule to make target 'install' |
| 02:07.22 | karthikp | rellin: Fair enough. Maybe you can mooch off some code from Amarok... |
| 02:07.35 | rellin | karthikp: yeah that was sort of my plan. :P |
| 02:09.25 | karthikp | Nice. Off topic, but it would be nice to see links in the status message show up as links too. That's a feature that I miss sorely. There's already a bug report out for it. |
| 02:09.43 | karthikp | Those things can't even be mouse selected. Pain. |
| 02:09.52 | HorizonXP | ideas? |
| 02:10.10 | pibarnas | why cant I switch workspaces with mouse wheel normally in kde4 having openbox as its wm? it loops through only 2 of 4 workspaces? any ideas? |
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| 02:10.55 | rellin | karthikp: oh I see what you mean. I'll try to get that one too as I'm grokking over winter break. right now I just want my chat client to stop crashing for final exams. :( |
| 02:11.24 | karthikp | Cool. If you need any help testing, I'd be glad to help. :) |
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| 02:31.47 | pbunbun | Soprano isn't part of KDE is it? |
| 02:32.17 | pbunbun | Like I'm building KDE, have qt-copy and kdesupport, kdelibs is saying it can't find soprano but I assumed it'd be in kdesupport, should I just install my distros? |
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| 02:40.58 | kde185 | pbunbun: I just had to deal with this, soprano is in kdesupport |
| 02:41.30 | pbunbun | Hmmm, cmake isn't picking it up then |
| 02:41.49 | kde185 | what distro are you using? |
| 02:42.12 | pbunbun | Kubuntu, and the libsoprano* are in ~/kde/lib/ |
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| 02:43.53 | albert_kam | hello is there any good article on migrating from kde 3.5.x to kde 4.x ? i like kde4's lookNfeel, but still im quite confused about how to make shortcuts, why there is no kate and such, etc |
| 02:44.20 | karthikp | KDE4 has kate. |
| 02:44.24 | pbunbun | There is a Kate, but it's not packaged separately in most distros, KWrite is default editor |
| 02:44.34 | sandsmark | kwrite was in KDE 3 too |
| 02:44.38 | pbunbun | Remove the "not" in that sentence :/ |
| 02:44.50 | Jucato | kate is now part of kdesdk instead of kdebase |
| 02:44.54 | sandsmark | albert_kam: this is a nice place to start: http://userbase.kde.org/ |
| 02:44.58 | pbunbun | sandsmark: Yeah but generally both were installed |
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| 02:45.02 | sandsmark | mm |
| 02:45.09 | sandsmark | pbunbun: so it is still, depends on the distro |
| 02:45.14 | albert_kam | sandsmark: thank you for the pointer |
| 02:45.18 | kde185 | pbunbun: I had to add this to my ~/.bashrc: http://pastebin.com/m6d303c61 |
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| 02:45.23 | Jucato | albert_kam: http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials and http://userbase.kde.org in general |
| 02:45.23 | albert_kam | karthikp: okay, perhaps it's not included in my installation |
| 02:45.49 | kde185 | pbunbun: replace the user home directory with your user name |
| 02:46.13 | sandsmark | albert_kam: more specifically this, maybe: http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/KDE3toKDE4 |
| 02:46.54 | pbunbun | kde185: Trying now, looks like it should work :P |
| 02:47.05 | albert_kam | thanks .. :) |
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| 02:53.32 | albert_kam | j #css |
| 02:53.35 | albert_kam | sorry |
| 02:53.42 | sandsmark | hehe |
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| 02:55.29 | pbunbun | Damn, added the cmake paths and still not recognising (and yeah i did source ~/.bashrc) |
| 02:57.16 | saethr | hey |
| 02:57.28 | kde185 | pbunbun: I'm not really sure then what's going on. Here's a webpage I found useful: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Troubleshooting#Issues_building_kdelibs |
| 02:57.29 | saethr | anyne know a good plasmoid to have an icon list on for application to quick start |
| 02:57.30 | saethr | ? |
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| 03:01.12 | karthikp | saethr: The quicklaunch plasmoid? |
| 03:01.16 | saethr | kk |
| 03:01.35 | saethr | is that default onE? |
| 03:01.43 | saethr | i see it |
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| 03:02.15 | pbunbun | Commenting out the "find soprano" line from CMakeLists.txt and hoping that it's just CMake that can't find it \o/ |
| 03:02.25 | karthikp | saethr: You can add it to your desktop or your panel. It's the default one, yes. |
| 03:02.56 | pbunbun | I foresee having to purge my kdesvn dirs but I'm on campus so downloading everything but qt-copy can be done in minutes :P |
| 03:04.17 | saethr | karthikp: how do i move things on panel |
| 03:04.25 | saethr | it starts up all the way on the right |
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| 03:07.00 | karthikp | Click the cashew at the end. |
| 03:07.10 | karthikp | That unlocks all widgets to move freely. |
| 03:07.10 | pibarnas | does anyone here use kde+openbox? |
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| 03:13.07 | oneforall | I hope we get right click , move back |
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| 03:17.56 | saethr | :/ |
| 03:18.07 | sandsmark | oneforall: I had it |
| 03:18.11 | sandsmark | I don't know where I got it from, though |
| 03:18.20 | sandsmark | it's gone now (I switched to some other packages, from trunk) |
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| 03:58.22 | saethr | where should gtk2 themes be installed with kde |
| 03:58.25 | saethr | i have them in .themes in home dir |
| 03:58.31 | saethr | but they dont show up in system settings |
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| 04:29.05 | oneforall | hmm so mplayerthumbs was merged into kdemultimedia in KDE 4.3.3. |
| 04:29.57 | Jucato | 4.3.0 to be exact |
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| 06:05.18 | albert_kam | hello, can i reuse the old configs from kde3.5.9 to kde4.x ? such as the configs for kate, kmail, etc :) |
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| 06:21.39 | Timewarper | guys |
| 06:21.43 | Timewarper | i am installing vbox |
| 06:21.45 | Timewarper | Optional dependencies for virtualbox_bin |
| 06:21.46 | Timewarper | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.48 | Timewarper | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.51 | Timewarper | got this, shouldi get qt or sdl for kde? |
| 06:22.34 | align | why not both? |
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| 06:27.55 | Smoth | So, think the Feb9 release date is still reasonable? |
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| 06:29.40 | Sho_ | Smoth: Sure, why not? |
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| 06:30.15 | Smoth | just saw the oct 10th trunk depending on qt 4.6, and it was only just finalized. |
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| 06:30.42 | Smoth | Try to release it on the 8th, that's my birthday. :) |
| 06:31.37 | Sho_ | Smoth: By the time we release 4.4, there should be a Qt 4.6.1 |
| 06:31.45 | Smoth | lol. |
| 06:31.59 | Sho_ | Smoth: nothing to lol about, just regular maintenance :) |
| 06:32.02 | Smoth | I like some of their new features with animations, etc... |
| 06:32.06 | isaiah_II | what is the disk manager in kde 4.3 |
| 06:32.15 | Smoth | file manager? |
| 06:32.20 | isaiah_II | nah |
| 06:32.25 | Sho_ | Smoth: After all KDE releases bugfix release every month, too |
| 06:32.30 | isaiah_II | where i can make and delete partitions |
| 06:32.44 | isaiah_II | i'm on mandriva 2010 |
| 06:32.47 | isaiah_II | kde 4.3 |
| 06:33.00 | Jucato | KDE doesn't have one. but your distro might have its own tools for that |
| 06:33.03 | Sho_ | ("too" in the sense that the first bugfix release comes relatively quickly after a major release, too - for Qt it's not strictly every month) |
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| 06:33.14 | Smoth | just the command line stuff really.... |
| 06:33.22 | isaiah_II | hmmm |
| 06:33.25 | Sho_ | isaiah_II: Look around for a package of "KDE Partition Manager" |
| 06:33.36 | isaiah_II | i have been ^_^ |
| 06:33.42 | Sho_ | isaiah_II: i.e. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDE+Partition+Manager?content=89595 |
| 06:33.42 | isaiah_II | but i'll keep looking |
| 06:33.44 | Smoth | your distro will have a tool for it... check your package manager.. possibly, dare I say it, gparted? |
| 06:33.50 | Jucato | doesn't MCC have one? |
| 06:33.53 | Sho_ | I would be surprised if Mandriva doesn't have it packaged |
| 06:33.57 | isaiah_II | i'm brand new to this |
| 06:34.01 | isaiah_II | sry |
| 06:34.13 | Jucato | you could try asking in #mandriva |
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| 06:34.28 | Jucato | thinks Mandriva Control Center had a partition manager tool |
| 06:34.36 | Smoth | Will the new grid layouts let you customize the grids? |
| 06:34.48 | isaiah_II | its dead over ther |
| 06:34.50 | isaiah_II | there |
| 06:35.33 | Sho_ | isaiah_II: Well, Mandriva is mainly Europe-based I think and it's 7:35 AM .. |
| 06:35.44 | Smoth | isaiah_II: kde DOES have partitionmanager, but you will most likely have to install it. |
| 06:35.52 | isaiah_II | k |
| 06:35.55 | isaiah_II | ty guys |
| 06:35.59 | Smoth | I've never seen it installed by default. |
| 06:36.05 | Jucato | Smoth: it does? |
| 06:36.08 | Smoth | kde-misc/partitionmanager |
| 06:36.13 | Smoth | it does here. |
| 06:36.23 | isaiah_II | you think the 2009 version will work on 2010 |
| 06:36.23 | Smoth | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=89595 |
| 06:36.29 | Jucato | well, not shipped by KDE (that is, not part of the KDE Software Compilation) |
| 06:36.34 | Sho_ | Smoth: That's http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDE+Partition+Manager?content=89595, which I linked above |
| 06:36.36 | isaiah_II | i have mandriva 2010 but the download is for 2009 |
| 06:36.46 | Smoth | Oh, lol. didn't see it. |
| 06:36.48 | Smoth | sorry |
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| 06:38.29 | Smoth | tool like that is pretty low level. It may just require different version of libraries.. will probalby do it automatically. Actualy, it says it's for all 4.0 releases (manager 1.0.0) you should be fine. |
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| 06:39.37 | Smoth | isaiah_II: it's not like that kind of tool needs changes, it probably talks to hardware as direct as you can. |
| 06:39.49 | isaiah_II | k |
| 06:39.59 | isaiah_II | i downloaded it now to see if i can install it :p |
| 06:40.25 | isaiah_II | *shakes 8-ball: all signs point to no* sigh |
| 06:41.07 | Smoth | calls 8 ball in the corner dill-hole... :) |
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| 06:42.08 | Smoth | isaiah_II: installing myself, and I'm on kde 4.3.3 |
| 06:42.30 | isaiah_II | whats this mean |
| 06:42.35 | isaiah_II | type=rpm-md |
| 06:42.35 | isaiah_II | baseurl=http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/vlanz/Mandriva_2009/ |
| 06:42.35 | isaiah_II | gpgcheck=1 |
| 06:42.35 | isaiah_II | gpgkey=http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/vlanz/Mandriva_2009/repodata/repomd.xml.key |
| 06:42.37 | isaiah_II | enabled=1 |
| 06:42.48 | isaiah_II | thats what it downloaded |
| 06:43.04 | isaiah_II | looks like some kinda foreign language to me |
| 06:43.18 | isaiah_II | do i put that stuff in term? |
| 06:44.28 | Smoth | no. it's for creating a key pair to send encrypted data... not sure why that popped up. You been on nasty websites lately? |
| 06:44.43 | Smoth | Vlanz is a name of someone there.. vlanz@build.opensuse.org |
| 06:44.51 | Smoth | it's in the keyfile. |
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| 06:45.18 | isaiah_II | i dont go on nasty websites |
| 06:45.22 | Smoth | it's for GnuPG. |
| 06:45.44 | Smoth | jsut not sure why they would have sent it to you. Is mandriva opensuse based? |
| 06:45.51 | Smoth | Not familiar with those distros |
| 06:45.59 | isaiah_II | no |
| 06:46.07 | isaiah_II | mandriva is independent |
| 06:47.08 | xevious | Which version of virtuoso should I use with 4.3.80? 5.0.12 or 6.0.0? |
| 06:47.17 | Smoth | then I don't know why that would show up. That is his key file at opensuse. Email the address I gave you and ask him why it did that? Shouldn't be dangerous, it opens a standard utility to let you creat a key pair for encrypting information, like emails, that only you and he can open up. |
| 06:47.52 | Smoth | isaiah_II: I'm running partitionmanager fine. |
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| 06:48.25 | Smoth | isaiah_II: even sees my NTFS partitions. |
| 06:48.50 | isaiah_II | :\ |
| 06:48.56 | isaiah_II | linux is so confusing |
| 06:49.03 | Smoth | it's different is all |
| 06:49.07 | isaiah_II | i know |
| 06:49.15 | isaiah_II | i'm just spoiled by exes :p |
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| 06:49.42 | Smoth | lol.. the concept of linux is tons of small tools that do specific things that can have their info/controls sent back and forth to each other. |
| 06:49.45 | isaiah_II | seems strange it didnt come with a partition manager |
| 06:50.34 | Smoth | the installer probably takes care of it... there are tools present in linux... just not a big GUI app. . |
| 06:50.43 | Smoth | search for gparted, it works too. |
| 06:51.01 | Smoth | you can get a gparted CD that boots and you can change it all outside of the OS. |
| 06:51.12 | isaiah_II | k |
| 06:51.18 | isaiah_II | i'm in package manager |
| 06:51.22 | isaiah_II | maybe i'll find something |
| 06:51.45 | Smoth | it should be in there. |
| 06:52.40 | Jucato | isaiah_II: are you sure there isn't one in Mandriva Control Center? |
| 06:53.00 | isaiah_II | let me look again |
| 06:53.17 | isaiah_II | o my |
| 06:53.18 | isaiah_II | duh |
| 06:53.26 | isaiah_II | lol ok ty |
| 06:54.35 | isaiah_II | anyone here ever used hymera? |
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| 08:27.49 | dihae | hello |
| 08:29.38 | dihae | some time ago I created a second user, and then I switched sessions. Nothing wrong there, everything works fine, except that I got some message from knetworkmanager, with a few buttons to click. |
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| 08:30.20 | dihae | I think a may have chosen the wrong option, because for one of the two users, knetworkmanager does not start automatically anymore.. |
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| 08:31.51 | dihae | Does anyone know how to fix this? I know i could set it in autostart, but it seems wrong to do so, because it is'nt done for the user which it does work for (using kubuntu 9.10, kde sc 4.3.4) |
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| 08:35.42 | jamess__ | hi, the keyboard language flags in the right corner seems to be limited to 4 to change from even though in the kxkbrc file i added many more. How can I make it switch between more flags? |
| 08:36.05 | annma | did you set systemsettings? |
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| 08:37.23 | annma | ah yes it is limited |
| 08:37.51 | annma | why do you need more languages? |
| 08:38.13 | annma | jamess__: if you explain your use case maybe this can be changed |
| 08:38.55 | annma | jamess__: ? |
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| 08:56.17 | Hardik | can anyone help me with junior jobs? |
| 08:58.23 | annma_ | yes |
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| 09:13.58 | jamess__ | because i have different keyboards to use |
| 09:14.02 | jamess__ | in different countries |
| 09:14.04 | jamess__ | how can ic hange this limit |
| 09:14.09 | jamess__ | i dont see why it is limited at all |
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| 09:17.26 | annma | jamess__: how many keyboards do you use? |
| 09:17.42 | annma | I mean, it's not very convenient to scroll to more than 4 |
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| 09:29.32 | xevious | When knetworkmanager starts, it says that another NetworkManager client is active and then exits. I don't think any other NetworkManager stuff is loaded, except maybe solid. Are they conflicting? |
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| 09:30.49 | CukeIsAMetalTool | is there a Dolphin developer here? |
| 09:30.55 | annma | no |
| 09:31.00 | annma | what's the problem? |
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| 09:31.35 | jfx | annma: He probably think having to change layout trough System settings even more inconvenient. ;) |
| 09:32.07 | CukeIsAMetalTool | no problem, i wanted to ask theme a question about how the handle image preview in their model |
| 09:32.08 | annma | jfx: I wonder why someone would need more than 4 keyboards |
| 09:32.24 | annma | CukeIsAMetalTool: they have a mailing list |
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| 09:33.07 | CukeIsAMetalTool | annma and you think i could write on it? |
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| 09:33.37 | annma | yes |
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| 09:35.33 | Kolia | q |
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| 09:35.53 | Kolia | erm, not vi here :) sorry |
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| 09:37.28 | jfx | jamess__: There's a bug filed about it, but no solution yet. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212374 |
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| 09:39.48 | annma | jfx: changing the 4 is probably easy in code |
| 09:40.10 | jfx | annma: Maybe not. It's an xorg limitation. |
| 09:40.16 | annma | what you need to do is add use case in the bug report so you explain WHY you need it |
| 09:40.22 | annma | is it? |
| 09:40.25 | CukeIsAMetalTool | annma here http://www.kde.org/mailinglists/ there isn't dolphin mailinglist..can you point me that? ;) |
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| 09:40.33 | annma | Ithought teh guy said it was possible before |
| 09:40.45 | annma | kfm-devel CukeIsAMetalTool |
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| 09:41.19 | jfx | annma: Why should the need for why be important? I disagree. |
| 09:41.36 | jfx | http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19501 |
| 09:41.45 | annma | jfx: personally I use several keyboards and I find that more than 4 is not convenient |
| 09:42.06 | annma | add all info in kde bug report please |
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| 09:46.09 | jfx | yeah, probably best. |
| 09:46.12 | pinotree | jfx: thanks, bug properly marked as dupe |
| 09:46.14 | daniel2 | I dunno if this would go to you guys or not, but anyone got this error on kde 4.4 beta1 when compiling pykde: make[2]: *** [python/pykde4/CMakeFiles/python_module_PyKDE4_kdeui.dir/sip/kdeui/sipkdeuipart0.o] Error 1 |
| 09:46.23 | jfx | (actually scratch probably too) |
| 09:46.29 | jfx | it's best. |
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| 09:47.39 | pynonoir | Hi. Is it possible with kde 4.3 to show on the panel only the applications of the active virtual desktop ? I can't find where this option is. |
| 09:47.47 | jfx | pinotree: Oh, so that's why. I was about to log in and change it... :D |
| 09:48.25 | jfx | pinotree: except I remember now, I cant mark duplicates anyway. thanks. |
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| 09:50.59 | jfx | pinotree: Um, the duplicates are circular now. Isn't that weird? |
| 09:51.22 | pinotree | jfx: uh? |
| 09:51.27 | jfx | pinotree: ah ignore me. Sorry. |
| 09:51.39 | pinotree | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:57.53 | xevious | Is anyone here using knetworkmanager? |
| 09:58.28 | xevious | I am running 4.3.80 and when I try to start knetworkmanager, it tells me that another networkmanager client is running and quits. |
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| 10:00.35 | thomasj | xevious, that sounds like fedora and nm-applet |
| 10:00.43 | thomasj | Dunno if others have it the same way. |
| 10:01.10 | wilsby29 | WOW. I have just set all my themes to glassified (kdm, splash, plasma) and it is by far the most awesome looking desktop I have ever had! |
| 10:01.23 | wilsby29 | kde is simply awesome |
| 10:01.41 | annma | thanks wilsby29 |
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| 10:02.09 | thomasj | xevious, yum remove NetworkManager-gnome or use nm-applet (right now still the better choice). |
| 10:02.37 | xevious | thomasj: I'm actually on gentoo. running `qdbus org.kde.kded /kded unloadModule networkmanagement` and then launching knetworkmanager worked. |
| 10:02.44 | wilsby29 | my only minor complain is color theming. I have setup a dark color theme bug some applications like kate/konversation and a few others have a different oclor scheme withing their content areas |
| 10:02.50 | xevious | thomasj: Do I want to recompile solid without networkmanager support? |
| 10:03.09 | Sho_ | wilsby29: we're working on that fwiw (konversation) |
| 10:03.18 | wilsby29 | and konversation does not seem to have color scheme support ;-) |
| 10:03.26 | wilsby29 | Sho_ that's great |
| 10:03.27 | Sho_ | wilsby29: well, you can configure the colors of course |
| 10:03.30 | xevious | thomasj: I don't want to have to open the terminal to fix that every time I log in. |
| 10:03.33 | thomasj | xevious, ugh sorry. No idea about gentoo does stuff. |
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| 10:03.46 | thomasj | *about how |
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| 10:03.50 | wilsby29 | yes, I will configure the colors... I'm just lazy and their are alot of colors |
| 10:04.04 | thomasj | Morning Sho_ |
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| 10:04.11 | wilsby29 | a simple option to INVERSE all the colors would be nice ;-) |
| 10:04.17 | xevious | thomasj: gentoo's kde4.4 packages are just packaged svn. No patches. Will solid's networkmanager backend conflict with knetworkmanager? |
| 10:04.29 | xevious | thomasj: what exactly does `qdbus org.kde.kded /kded unloadModule networkmanagement` do? |
| 10:05.08 | Sho_ | wilsby29: the original plan was for kde4 to have more expansive system color schemes (more color roles) and better APIs to access them so apps could reuse them for their own colors, which got realized, along with standard scheme management widgets for apps to use in their config dialogs, which did not get realized |
| 10:05.25 | wilsby29 | seriously, I can't get over how beautiful the desktop looks with the glassified theme. Glassified blends perfectly with whatever background or color theme you are using |
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| 10:05.41 | Sho_ | wilsby29: see http://www.eikehein.com/colors.pdf, we (konversation) contributed to that |
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| 10:06.18 | Sho_ | wilsby29: anyhow, in the future konversation will have scheme management in its config dialog along with an immutable default color scheme that auto-derives its values from the system colors (pretty much as shown in that pdf) |
| 10:06.22 | wilsby29 | thank Sho_ printing it off now |
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| 10:06.53 | Sho_ | moin thomasj |
| 10:06.57 | pynonoir | Hello again. Is it possible with kde 4.3 to show on the Panel only the applications of the *active* virtual desktop (and not applications of every desktop) ? Sorry if this is a trivial question but I could not find the answer and this makes virtual desktop pretty useless for me |
| 10:07.24 | miniwark | hi ! I am tring to use knetwork manager with OpenSuse and KDE4. I am abale to say to yast to use it and to add a static ethernet connection. But apparently this connection is not used, and networkmanager use my dhcp server instead. What i have to do to use this connection as the default one ? |
| 10:07.30 | Kolia | pynonoir: yes, right click on the panel and configure :) |
| 10:07.32 | wilsby29 | anyhow, kde 4.3 is much better than 3.5 already regarding colors. I never managed to get a dark color scheme working nicely with 3.5 |
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| 10:08.18 | pynonoir | Kolia: can you be more explicit ? That's what I did h kde 3.x |
| 10:08.19 | wilsby29 | and I'm going eco friendly and dark color schemes safe on energy |
| 10:08.23 | wilsby29 | apparently? |
| 10:08.23 | pynonoir | Kolia: can you be more explicit ? That's what I did with kde 3.x |
| 10:08.37 | Sho_ | wilsby29: yeah about 50% of the stuff in the PDF got realized for KDE 4 |
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| 10:09.07 | Kolia | pynonoir: right click on the panel |
| 10:09.18 | Kolia | then choose the otion to configure it |
| 10:09.37 | pynonoir | Panel options ? |
| 10:09.39 | Kolia | you will see a popup window, with the option to show the windows of current desktop only |
| 10:10.05 | Kolia | pynonoir: don't know how it's written in the english version, it looks like "Configure Panel" |
| 10:10.11 | wilsby29 | do those downloadable themes auto update or do I check back for updates? |
| 10:12.08 | xevious | I love the new window tabbing. |
| 10:12.12 | xevious | LOVE it. |
| 10:12.56 | wilsby29 | xevious, I read about that coming in 4.4 right? |
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| 10:13.21 | wilsby29 | it sounds like a great netbook feature |
| 10:13.32 | xevious | It would be interesting to alter konsole and konqueror (and any other programs which already have a tab based interface) so that they create tabs in the same manner. |
| 10:14.00 | xevious | wilsby29: I use window tabbing extensively on dual 24" 1920x1200 screens. |
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| 10:14.13 | wilsby29 | xevious, I have the same setup ;-) |
| 10:14.22 | wilsby29 | dual 24" screens |
| 10:14.31 | wilsby29 | but mine are not widescreen |
| 10:14.36 | xevious | I'm just saying it's not screen space dependent. |
| 10:14.41 | foormea | pynonoir: Tast manager settings |
| 10:14.44 | foormea | Task |
| 10:14.46 | xevious | I use it to group like tasks. |
| 10:14.55 | wilsby29 | IC |
| 10:15.10 | xevious | wilsby29: Having a web browser with a HOWTO tabbed with a terminal is extremely useful. |
| 10:15.19 | pynonoir | Kolia: Ok I found it. The menu only appears when there is some space left in the task manager area. This doesn't work when it's already full of icons, that's why I was looking for it for a while |
| 10:15.29 | wilsby29 | I just noticed that my cpu temperature dials don't move with glassified. |
| 10:15.42 | wilsby29 | I can live with that ;-) |
| 10:16.09 | wilsby29 | xevious, why don't you get 2 more screens and a mount ;-) |
| 10:16.33 | xevious | wilsby29: That mayyy tread on excessive for my programming rig. |
| 10:16.39 | pynonoir | foormea: thanks, it was a hidden menu ;-) |
| 10:16.58 | foormea | np |
| 10:17.00 | xevious | wilsby29: I have four monitors + a 52" plasma on my A/V rig. It's.......a whole lotta fun. |
| 10:17.04 | wilsby29 | I read that the more screens you have the more productive you are |
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| 10:17.41 | xevious | That can't be true for all tasks. |
| 10:17.51 | xevious | I've read productivity is inversely proportional to number of screens. |
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| 10:17.56 | xevious | on Linux at least. |
| 10:17.57 | Basstard` | I have a computer with 10 outputs. Need to put it to some good use. |
| 10:18.01 | Kolia | pynonoir: when your task bar is full you can still access the options in another way: click the plasma-toolbox icon (on the right), and you will get the option with right click whatever the fullness of the taskbar |
| 10:18.17 | xevious | Basstard`: that sounds like a mega-porn-wall to me. |
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| 10:18.25 | Basstard` | xevious: haha |
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| 10:21.03 | xevious | finally has a functional KDE 4.x desktop |
| 10:21.06 | xevious | is very pleased. |
| 10:21.19 | xevious | Now to get rid of this damn cashew thing in the corner of my desktop. |
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| 10:21.47 | annma | why? |
| 10:22.15 | xevious | I don't like it. |
| 10:22.19 | xevious | I'm not sure why. |
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| 10:22.49 | xevious | It's the one thing about KDE 4 that really irks me. All my other minor complaints are just features that were in 3.5 that have yet to be filled in. |
| 10:23.09 | xevious | The cashew just seems like it could be implemented better. |
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| 10:23.30 | annma | yes? how? |
| 10:23.30 | xevious | Most of its functionality can be found by right clicking on the desktop, anyway. |
| 10:23.49 | Basstard` | xevious: While netinstalling Fedora 12 I saw a package that fixes that for you, it had a funny name. Can't remember it now though.. |
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| 10:24.07 | annma | features in kde 3.5 taht are absent? like what? |
| 10:24.31 | annma | I don't see why the cashew can be not liked |
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| 10:24.56 | annma | just put a window on it |
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| 10:25.38 | xevious | annma: At this point, it's mostly lacking features in kde apps, not kde itself. KBluetooth, for instance, has far fewer options than the 3.5 variant did, and doesn't hold a candle to the gnome bluetooth applet. |
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| 10:25.50 | pynonoir | Kolia: that's right, thanks for the tip |
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| 10:26.32 | thoradin | hi, is there any special blogilo channel? |
| 10:26.37 | xevious | annma: But for KDE itself, I think a lot of deep, yet accessible, customizability has been lost. Yes, plasma is neato, but in 3.5 many UI elements were easily tweaked. To make the same changes in 4.x, I'd have to creat my own plasma theme. |
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| 10:27.14 | xevious | annma: Another example is the fact that not everyone likes the cashew (as can be evidenced by the fact that there are several solutions on kde-look.org for hiding it) |
| 10:27.42 | annma | your own plasma theme? |
| 10:27.43 | xevious | annma: With the 3.5 approach, the user would have been able to hide it. Now, there's no such option. |
| 10:28.00 | annma | why do you want to hide it |
| 10:28.15 | xevious | I think it's ugly and unnecessary. |
| 10:28.17 | annma | I don't see the point |
| 10:28.24 | Basstard` | xevious: google "i hate the cashew", that's the name of it |
| 10:28.25 | annma | you spend the day staring at it? |
| 10:28.29 | thoradin | xevious: with "simple workspace" there is no cashew |
| 10:29.17 | xevious | thoradin: Link? |
| 10:29.28 | xevious | Basstard`: I am compiling it now. |
| 10:29.31 | jpike | the cachew is dumb |
| 10:29.31 | thoradin | just right-click on your desktop |
| 10:29.35 | jpike | i've never seen anyone use it |
| 10:29.50 | thoradin | and set "activity" to "simple" |
| 10:29.56 | cb400f | nhn: I think maybe you should update the installation instructions here to describe the "manual installation", don't think your script appears in GHNS anymore: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=93564 .. |
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| 10:30.10 | annma | jpike: how do you add an activity? |
| 10:30.16 | cb400f | .. and the download number is waaaay too low for such a brilliant script |
| 10:30.17 | annma | you people miss teh activity point |
| 10:30.28 | xevious | thoradin: On 4.4? |
| 10:30.37 | xevious | annma: I use activities. |
| 10:30.40 | annma | 4.4 beta1 |
| 10:30.48 | thoradin | yep, 4.3.8 = 4.4 b1 |
| 10:30.48 | annma | xevious: how do you add one? |
| 10:30.58 | annma | without cashew? |
| 10:31.26 | jpike | can't you right click on the desktop also? |
| 10:31.40 | thoradin | xevious: well, thats the case - you use activitys and need the cashew, i'm on the old plain desktop and it is gone |
| 10:31.54 | xevious | annma: I'll refer you to where I said that most of its features are replicated by right clicking on the desktop. |
| 10:31.56 | annma | jpike: to add an activity? |
| 10:32.06 | xevious | annma: That's the one that isn't. And zooming. |
| 10:32.11 | SunilThaha | hi all, anyone using KDE 4.3 on ubuntu ? |
| 10:32.14 | jpike | i don't have any activities though i don't like them |
| 10:32.19 | jpike | so i wouldn't know |
| 10:32.21 | annma | so xevious are you asking taht the activity managenment should be on right click? |
| 10:32.22 | jpike | just in my panel |
| 10:32.40 | annma | I guessed so jpike |
| 10:32.49 | SunilThaha | I seem to be missing an option to shutdown and reboot in the "Leave" menu |
| 10:32.53 | annma | you're missing the activity point |
| 10:33.25 | jpike | if there was one that added something useful for me i'd use it |
| 10:33.30 | xevious | annma: yes. I've got an option to "Remove this desktop activity" but no option to add other activities. If you pull up the options for a panel, it gives you the choice to remove the panel or create new panels. |
| 10:33.59 | annma | xevious: make a wish report with your use case |
| 10:34.04 | annma | why you want it |
| 10:34.16 | xevious | Where do I do that? |
| 10:34.17 | annma | this is called usability |
| 10:34.24 | annma | on bugs.kde.org |
| 10:34.34 | xevious | I'm familiar with usability - I used to program touchscreen kiosks. |
| 10:34.41 | annma | you can issue a bug which is a wish |
| 10:34.45 | xevious | Cool. |
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| 10:35.00 | annma | usability is about why you want it versus what exists |
| 10:35.04 | annma | not 'I don't like it" |
| 10:35.09 | annma | this is not usability |
| 10:35.32 | xevious | I think this is an interface inconsistency. |
| 10:35.52 | annma | usability is explaining why the current scheme goes into your way, is against your work flow |
| 10:36.08 | xevious | Right click on a panel, you get the choice to remove it or add more. Right click on the desktop activity, you get the choice to remove the current activity, but not add more. |
| 10:36.11 | annma | so just look what the cashew brings |
| 10:36.23 | annma | and propose new ways to replace this |
| 10:36.42 | annma | first you said you don't like it - visually? |
| 10:37.00 | annma | get further in what bothers you |
| 10:37.07 | xevious | I will develop my ideas. |
| 10:37.14 | xevious | Then post my report. |
| 10:37.23 | annma | go beyond stupid things like 'I don't like it' |
| 10:37.28 | annma | yes |
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| 10:37.35 | Basstard` | Well, regarding this, as I've never used it and wonder what it's for. What is the "Zoom out" thing actually for? Isn't virtual desktops basically the same? What am I not getting? |
| 10:38.04 | annma | activities are a new concept and when something is new it's soemtimes difficult for users |
| 10:38.05 | xevious | I don't like it visually, but I think my visual dislike of it is due to the fact that it is an interface inconsistency and I formerly spent 8 hours a day trying to create touch screen interfaces that morons in Walmart could crop their photos with. |
| 10:38.24 | Basstard` | annma: Nice explanation. |
| 10:38.33 | xevious | annma: I've used activities in completely different ways on my desktop, media center pc, and laptop. |
| 10:38.47 | xevious | annma: I'm not against activities, just the cashew. |
| 10:38.50 | jpike | i don't get the zoom out |
| 10:38.52 | annma | xevious: why do you not like it visually? what is your desktop like? |
| 10:38.55 | annma | tssss |
| 10:38.58 | annma | one at a time |
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| 10:39.33 | annma | xevious: it would help usability to post a screenshot of your desktop and explain how you use KDE, what for |
| 10:39.50 | annma | in order to pinpoint this visual dislike |
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| 10:40.24 | xevious | Like I said, I think it was more of a subconscious dislike due to the inconsistency of it. |
| 10:40.25 | annma | I must add that I took a survey from KDE usability people about how I use my desktop |
| 10:41.12 | annma | I got questions about what I like on my desktop (I happen to dislike icons on my desktop for example) |
| 10:41.37 | xevious | My roommates' only exposure to Linux is mainly the home theater PC that I have hooked up to my TV. I've already bothered people in here about overscan compensation dozens of times. |
| 10:41.58 | annma | we have in KDE an active and professional usability team |
| 10:42.11 | annma | so do not hesitate to contact it and make your point |
| 10:42.32 | annma | about cashew, activities, design |
| 10:42.52 | xevious | Eventually coded my own panel that has a margin on the screen edge equal to my TV's overscan. Then I placed empty panels around the edges that I don't want to have a panel on and made them equal to those edges' overscan widths. |
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| 10:43.20 | nhn | cb400f: oh.. thats interesting.... |
| 10:43.28 | nhn | it really should |
| 10:43.33 | nhn | anything else is an error somewhere |
| 10:43.39 | xevious | On that system, the cashew ends up sitting in the overscan, outside of the viewable area, so it doesn't bother me. |
| 10:43.50 | cb400f | hm.. I thought ghns only shows latest 30, top 30 etc. |
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| 10:45.18 | cb400f | oh, wait.. it does appear if you search for "most downloads" |
| 10:45.34 | EugenA | hi, knetworkmanager doesn't change the default gateway on connect, wha? i have cellular connection into private (not public) network - 10.xxx.xxx.xxx ip |
| 10:46.11 | thiago | EugenA: knetworkmanager is just a front-end to networkmanager |
| 10:46.23 | thiago | EugenA: which means your problem is distribution-specific. |
| 10:46.33 | Basstard` | So, are activities used for having different widgets on desktops? Or what? |
| 10:46.48 | EugenA | thiago: so, networkmanager doesn't change the gateway? |
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| 10:47.03 | thiago | EugenA: I don't know. |
| 10:47.05 | xevious | Basstard`: You can set it so that each desktop has its own activity, if you'd like. |
| 10:47.08 | thiago | EugenA: I've never used NM. |
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| 10:47.26 | EugenA | thiago: what network manager do you use on notebook? |
| 10:47.47 | Basstard` | xevious: Why shouldn't that be possible with virtual desktops? Or is that what you mean? |
| 10:47.47 | thiago | EugenA: Mandriva's drakroam |
| 10:48.02 | slux | hi, i'm doing my first plasmoid and i need to show a treeview/widget or table view/widget inside the plasmoid.. There is any Plasma::Tree class available? |
| 10:48.08 | xevious | Basstard`: On my media center PC, I don't use that setting. That way, on any desktop, I can switch between monitoring system stats, an activity with quick access to the music collection and amarok, or access to the quick media player on a different activity. |
| 10:48.55 | xevious | Basstard`: I use a similar setup on my laptop, but with activities tuned to more laptop appropriate tasks. |
| 10:49.19 | xevious | Basstard`: on my desktop I have a separate activity for each desktop, so that widgets change when I change desktops. |
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| 10:52.04 | nhn | cb400f: in general I think GHNS needs an overahul as it does not work too well when there is a very large amount of content |
| 10:52.07 | Basstard` | xevious: Haha, my head is spinning. Desktop, virtual desktop, activity.. I'm just wondering why each virtual desktop can't be like an activity. Whatever an activity is, a desktop (with virtual desktops) but with different widgets? |
| 10:52.12 | nhn | there really should be a way to search _all_ content |
| 10:52.16 | EugenA | hi, if i insert audio-cd i can simply copy tracks from dolphin as ogg or mp3 to my harddrive. Where can i find the encoding settings? i copied now ogg files, they are 112 kbin encoded... i'd like to change the quality |
| 10:52.27 | cb400f | yeah |
| 10:52.29 | nhn | cb400f: anyway, thanks for adding the manual instructions :-) |
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| 10:52.36 | cb400f | np :-) |
| 10:53.00 | pinotree | EugenA: system settings → advanced → audio cd |
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| 10:53.22 | xevious | Basstard`: You can set it like that. You have the choice of having virtual desktops, each with their own single activity, or independent multiple desktops and multiple activities. |
| 10:53.44 | EugenA | pinotree: thank you! |
| 10:54.21 | xevious | Basstard`: or you did on 4.3.3... I can't find the option on 4.3.80 |
| 10:54.27 | Basstard` | xevious: So an activity IS a different set of widgets? Or what's the short explanation for it? |
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| 10:54.46 | xevious | Basstard`: Yes. |
| 10:55.14 | xevious | Basstard`: I don't know if it's abstracted any further, but functionally, it allows you to have multiple sets of widgets. |
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| 10:56.23 | xevious | Ok. Time for an hour of rest before getting ready for class. |
| 10:56.33 | xevious | 12 hours of class... |
| 10:56.34 | xevious | :\ |
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| 10:56.54 | xevious | I should have reniced sleep to a higher priority than compiling 4.3.80. |
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| 10:57.01 | xevious | That was really geeky. |
| 10:57.02 | wilsby29 | Basstard, which kde version do you use? |
| 10:57.12 | xevious | Later, all. |
| 10:57.22 | Basstard` | xevious: Ah, but why isn't that like just a simple setting? "Use widgets for all virtual desktops" and "Use different widgets for each virtual desktop". |
| 10:57.26 | Basstard` | Later |
| 10:57.27 | wilsby29 | will 4.4 have usable support for separate activities on each desktop? |
| 10:57.44 | Basstard` | wilsby29: The one in Fedora 12, which is 4.3.3. |
| 10:58.14 | wilsby29 | Basstard, I don't think they have finished work on activities and desktop integration. But im hopping they will have when 4.4 is released |
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| 10:59.54 | Basstard` | wilsby29: Yeah, I'm just curious what it's for. I'm sure it's something useful, if not for me, then for someone else. |
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| 11:02.34 | wilsby29 | the zoom out desktop effect is slow and ugly for me |
| 11:02.38 | wilsby29 | and it always has been |
| 11:02.49 | wilsby29 | imo, it's a BAD interface. |
| 11:03.04 | wilsby29 | for activities |
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| 11:09.33 | Basstard` | Maybe I want to zoom out from the zoom out.. |
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| 11:23.24 | wilsby29 | http://chani.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/the-future-of-activities/ |
| 11:23.27 | wilsby29 | oh no, I'm worried now |
| 11:24.17 | wilsby29 | sound alot like replacing what the desktop pager already does with activites |
| 11:24.41 | wilsby29 | rather than tying activities to the pager. they want to duplicate functionality already available in the pager into desktop activities |
| 11:25.00 | wilsby29 | this has BIG MISTAKE written all over it |
| 11:26.33 | wilsby29 | why can't they just forget about this activities idea and realise it's WRONG. having different backgrounds and plasma widgets on each desktop pager is fine! |
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| 11:27.54 | wilsby29 | BAD BAD BAD.... whoever is driving this activities fiasco needs to be stopped! |
| 11:30.04 | Basstard` | As long as they don't lock people doing things one way |
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| 11:31.49 | wilsby29 | they are overcomplicating and inventing something that already exists |
| 11:31.55 | wilsby29 | I already have activities |
| 11:32.00 | wilsby29 | I have 8 virtual desktops |
| 11:32.07 | wilsby29 | 3 are called "work" |
| 11:32.16 | wilsby29 | 1 is called "PIM" |
| 11:32.22 | wilsby29 | 1 is called "Music" |
| 11:32.27 | wilsby29 | etc..... |
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| 11:33.43 | Basstard` | Yeah, as do I and I don't understand what they are getting at with doing that.. |
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| 11:41.21 | wilsby29 | after reading through that again I think the problem in their minds is they think you need to group activities rather than just let people have a separate activity per desktop |
| 11:41.45 | wilsby29 | e.g: it should be possible to have the same activity on multiple desktops |
| 11:43.48 | wilsby29 | actually activites should not even exist |
| 11:44.57 | wilsby29 | if I right click on a window header I have an option called "to desktop" which brings up a list of desktops... This is simply and should be applied to widgets too.... e.g: to desktop -> then I tick each desktop that I want this widget to appear under |
| 11:44.58 | wilsby29 | job done |
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| 11:45.47 | wilsby29 | the problem with what they are doing is they are doing is rather than letting me decide how I want to manage my widgets and desktop they are TELLING ME how I should manage my widget and desktop |
| 11:46.03 | wilsby29 | and for KDE that is BAD |
| 11:46.33 | wilsby29 | I'm going to do some mockups and create a web page campaigning against desktop activities |
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| 11:51.52 | cb400f | wilsby29: http://chani.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/the-future-of-activities/ |
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| 11:54.27 | Basstard` | Can it be like this? Virtual desktops are "copies" of one desktop, and if one virtual desktop would crash then all of them crash. And that activities is the "real" way to do it, that is if one would crash then the rest wouldn't? Just a thought.. |
| 11:56.25 | wilsby29 | [11:23] <wilsby29> http://chani.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/the-future-of-activities/ |
| 11:56.29 | wilsby29 | cb400f, that is what I was commenting on. It's plain wrong |
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| 11:56.38 | wilsby29 | and goes against what KDE does best |
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| 11:56.56 | wilsby29 | we don't need activities at all |
| 11:57.06 | cb400f | so just don't fsck with them? |
| 11:57.35 | wilsby29 | all we need are options for each widget such as "display widget on desktop X" tick boxes |
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| 11:57.48 | wilsby29 | so I can say... display my clock on desktop 1,2,3 |
| 11:58.03 | wilsby29 | much like I can do already with windows |
| 11:58.05 | wilsby29 | job done |
| 11:58.07 | cb400f | that would replace the current functionality partially |
| 11:58.10 | wilsby29 | same with wallpapers |
| 11:58.28 | wilsby29 | set wallpaper "display on desktop...." "display on all desktops..." |
| 11:58.35 | cb400f | but they want the activities to do more than just that |
| 11:58.42 | wilsby29 | no, activites does the SAME |
| 11:58.50 | cb400f | yes.. now... |
| 11:58.55 | wilsby29 | activites just tell me how I should do it |
| 11:59.01 | wilsby29 | which is not what kde is about |
| 11:59.25 | wilsby29 | kde is about... give me the options.... let me decide how I want to manage my desktop |
| 11:59.58 | wilsby29 | there is absolutely no need to group widgets into activities |
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| 12:00.35 | wilsby29 | but there is a need to specify on which virtual desktop I wish to display a widget (either alll desktops or 1 or multiple) |
| 12:00.38 | Basstard` | But if activities are more like separate processes rather than one, then I'm all for it. If not, then I don't get it.. |
| 12:00.59 | wilsby29 | all activities are is a way of grouping tasks |
| 12:01.17 | wilsby29 | it's a way of TELLING us kde users how we should be doing our work |
| 12:01.19 | wilsby29 | and it's WRONG |
| 12:01.33 | wilsby29 | not only that it is limiting |
| 12:02.28 | wilsby29 | what if I want the same widget on all my virtual desktops. but I only want some widgets on others. and not only that... there is an overlap between widgets and my tasks |
| 12:02.30 | Sho_ | wilsby29: I think you really misunderstood something there, not getting the "telling us how we should be doing our work" part frankly |
| 12:02.38 | cb400f | you're imagining things.. the system is much more flexible than in kde3 |
| 12:02.57 | wilsby29 | but with their solution of activities I can't have that overlap and loose that control |
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| 12:04.16 | Sho_ | wilsby29: nah, you misunderstood that. activities are just adding something, they're not taking anything away :) |
| 12:04.53 | Basstard` | Someone should do a video explaining it.. |
| 12:05.24 | Sho_ | Basstard`: it's not really at the stage yet where you can make videos of it |
| 12:05.30 | Basstard` | Mockup |
| 12:05.38 | cb400f | I think if people could set different wallpaper per virtual desktop, they wouldn't whine about activities at all :-) |
| 12:05.56 | cb400f | that always seems to be the starting point |
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| 12:08.08 | Sho_ | Basstard`: The basic, abstract notion is that an "activity" is something like "working on my study course X" or "doing my taxes", and that in performing this activity, you might want to make use of certain windows, widgets, files, etc. |
| 12:08.55 | ex-- | does anyone know where the text that appears in the notes plasmoid is saved? I mean, it's taken from a file, right? |
| 12:08.57 | Basstard` | Sho_: And why not have that with virtual desktops? |
| 12:09.09 | Sho_ | Basstard`: So starting from that notion, you need (a) UI to create activities and associate these things with them, (b) UI to switch between activities, (c) infrastructure to inform applications about activity switches so they can react appropriately |
| 12:09.12 | wilsby29 | we already have that with virtual desktops |
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| 12:09.36 | Jucato | ex--: ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc I think |
| 12:10.32 | Sho_ | Basstard`: Some of these things have already been realized, for others there are pretty concrete ideas, many others still have to be talked about and designed - and all of them are still very malleable, and of course extensible |
| 12:10.41 | ex-- | checking |
| 12:10.56 | Sho_ | Basstard`, wilsby29: No, you don't have that with virtual desktops right now |
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| 12:11.26 | Sho_ | Basstard`, wilsby29: When you switch virtual desktops, your IM client won't highlight the relevant group of buddies, your file manager won't bring up the relevant set of files, etc. |
| 12:12.06 | ex-- | Jucato: yeah, it's there, thank you :) |
| 12:12.12 | Sho_ | Virtual desktops are a feature of window managers to switch between sets of windows. It's a fine, very useful feature. |
| 12:12.41 | Sho_ | Virtual desktops are often used to divide windows between logical activities, but you can go much further |
| 12:12.56 | Sho_ | You can make the entire shell and applications activity-aware |
| 12:13.03 | Sho_ | And that's what "Activities" are about |
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| 12:14.22 | Sho_ | Now as for how the associating of stuff between activities is done - e.g. doing stuff like the "show this anywhere but here, here and here" wilsby29 asked for - that's all totally up for discussion/possible to do |
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| 12:14.53 | Sho_ | Activities is really just about taking what's already there to the next level, nobody is forcing anyone to do something in a particular way or taking anything away |
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| 12:18.30 | Basstard` | Sho_: Thanks for explaining. And what about my little added curiosity? Will they be more like separate processes? If that makes sense.. |
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| 12:20.45 | wilsby29 | the problem with activities is it is HIGH LEVEL and abstract. |
| 12:20.54 | Sho_ | Basstard`: Doesn't really make sense, no - there's no implied connection between separate activities and separate processes, atm |
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| 12:21.13 | wilsby29 | All the user needs it the fine grained controls |
| 12:21.26 | wilsby29 | not a workflow management system |
| 12:21.29 | Sho_ | wilsby29: yes, that makes it hard to communicate, and it's a big design challenge of course - but the hope is that at the end of the day it will be intuitive to use |
| 12:21.47 | wilsby29 | but I don't want a workflow management system |
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| 12:22.01 | wilsby29 | when I could do the same with simply controls like |
| 12:22.49 | wilsby29 | set this background on this virtual desktop only or on multple/all virtual desktops |
| 12:23.04 | wilsby29 | set this widget on this virtual desktop or on multiple/all virtual desktops |
| 12:23.06 | wilsby29 | JOB DONE |
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| 12:23.11 | Sho_ | wilsby29: Think of it a bit like the "Places" technology in KDE 4 - you meet your "Places" all over the place, in the file manager, the file dialogs, the Folder View source selector, etc. Some day, Activities are supposed to be a similar corner stone of the experience, infused everywhere. |
| 12:23.28 | wilsby29 | I understand what activites are supposed to be |
| 12:23.53 | Sho_ | wilsby29: It's still a long way until then, and much work to do and discussions to have ... and "THEY are doing xyz to us!" is stupid because KDE is an open project and YOU can share in these discussions as much as anyone |
| 12:23.58 | wilsby29 | but IMO kde is about empowering users to manage their working environment they way they want to. and Desktop activities are NOT flexible |
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| 12:24.58 | Sho_ | "set this widget on this virtual desktop or on multiple/all virtual desktops" <- activities will likely provide this feature to you |
| 12:25.31 | wilsby29 | like I said earlier, I have virtual desktops already. I have 3 for work, 1 for PIM, 1 for Music. I want a simply option to display widget X on desktop 1,2,3. and a simply option to display background X or desktop 1, Background X on desktop 2, etc.... |
| 12:25.46 | wilsby29 | that IS CONTROL |
| 12:25.59 | wilsby29 | and far more flexible than desktop activities |
| 12:26.06 | Basstard` | Sho_: Well, I'm only thinking like this (I haven't used it much at all): When I zoom out, I see my desktop and can add another, activity or what they are called. If one of those crashes, will they bring down the rest/the whole KDE? So that if I am inside one and it for some reason would crash, I can simply switch to another, or preferrably have crash recovery. |
| 12:26.16 | Sho_ | wilsby29: Desktop activities are about giving you that control |
| 12:26.30 | Sho_ | you're just bitching for no reason there *shrugs* |
| 12:27.06 | pinotree | wilsby29: can you just please avoid misusing of capslock expressions? thanks |
| 12:27.10 | Sho_ | Basstard`: FWIW, that zooming in/out thing is going to be removed I think (not entirely sure though) |
| 12:27.22 | Sho_ | Basstard`: Right now it's running in a single process |
| 12:27.46 | Jucato | "but IMO kde is about empowering users to manage their working environment they way they want to." that's what Plasma is generally about. empowering users not just on the desktop but on other devices that will run KDE as well. "virtual desktops" only go as far as devices/platforms that have a window manager that does that: desktop and laptops. so basically, your argument of returning to only using virtual desktops is not going to empower KDE towards the |
| 12:27.47 | Jucato | future |
| 12:27.50 | wilsby29 | Sho_, they are not... What they are proposing is for desktop activities to act as containers for widgets and windows, and other stuff. Instead of wanting to contain widgets and windows they should set them FREE! |
| 12:28.18 | wilsby29 | liberate them. let the user decide the where, when, and why |
| 12:28.27 | wilsby29 | don't limit. |
| 12:28.30 | Jucato | it's only going to empower a number of users (who can't seem to adjust) on desktops and laptops. not very empowering/liberating |
| 12:28.35 | wilsby29 | a container is a limiter |
| 12:28.43 | Sho_ | wilsby29: You evidently didn't listen to what I wrote above .. |
| 12:28.57 | wilsby29 | Sho_ evidently we disagree... which is a good thing ;-) |
| 12:28.59 | Sho_ | wilsby29: [13:14] <Sho_> Now as for how the associating of stuff between activities is done - e.g. doing stuff like the "show this anywhere but here, here and here" wilsby29 asked for - that's all totally up for discussion/possible to do |
| 12:29.21 | Sho_ | wilsby29: Nothing says that a window or a widget can only be in ONE activity |
| 12:29.37 | wilsby29 | Sho_, what I'm trying to explain is forget about activites... the concent is wrong and should not exist |
| 12:29.41 | Sho_ | wilsby29: Activities as much about adding the features you ask for in a clean way as anything else |
| 12:29.45 | Jucato | (there's also the part about "just because it isn't there *now* doesn't mean it's not going to be there *forever*") |
| 12:29.54 | wilsby29 | the concent of virtual desktops is all we need |
| 12:30.01 | Jucato | wow! "wrong and should not exist" ... strong words |
| 12:30.01 | wilsby29 | it's a proven concept and there is no need to change it |
| 12:30.36 | wilsby29 | well yes, imo activities are wrong. |
| 12:30.41 | wilsby29 | virtual desktops are right |
| 12:30.59 | wilsby29 | display me my widget on virtual desktop 2, 5, and 6. |
| 12:31.03 | Basstard` | As long as you can pick and choose and turn on and off |
| 12:31.10 | Jucato | not even virtual desktops can do that |
| 12:31.10 | wilsby29 | display me this background on virtual desktop 1,4, and 7 |
| 12:31.16 | wilsby29 | yes they can |
| 12:31.23 | Sho_ | Nothing about the activities work will prevent you from working like you do with virtual desktops right now. |
| 12:31.25 | wilsby29 | display me my window on virtual desktop 2,3,and 5 |
| 12:31.29 | Jucato | where? |
| 12:31.43 | wilsby29 | you can display a window on any desktop you lie |
| 12:31.44 | wilsby29 | like |
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| 12:31.53 | Jucato | it's an all or one setup |
| 12:31.56 | Sho_ | "[13:31] <wilsby29> display me my widget on virtual desktop 2, 5, and 6." <- you don't understand what virtual desktops are :) |
| 12:31.58 | wilsby29 | on 3.5 you can display your background on specific virtual desktops |
| 12:32.09 | Jucato | that's not a window nor a widget |
| 12:32.19 | Sho_ | Despite the name "virtual desktops", virtual desktops in fact have nothing to do with the desktop |
| 12:32.42 | Sho_ | Virtual desktops are a window manager feature that makes the window manager hide/show windows as you switch between virtual desktops |
| 12:32.54 | Jucato | even in KDE 3, you can only display a window on one desktop or all desktops. nothing in between |
| 12:33.04 | wilsby29 | jucato, that's not true |
| 12:33.26 | Jucato | don't use your wallpaper example again |
| 12:33.26 | Sho_ | That the Plasma window might react to a virtual desktop switch by showing different widgets is an artificial constraint on top of virtual desktops |
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| 12:33.28 | wilsby29 | jucato, maybe not via the gui |
| 12:33.30 | Sho_ | Just like activity switches |
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| 12:34.05 | wilsby29 | jucato, but I'm saying .... why not? why not give me, the user, the control over which virtual desktop I place my stuff |
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| 12:34.13 | wilsby29 | how I organise my workspace |
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| 12:34.40 | Sho_ | Activities are about giving you that control. |
| 12:34.44 | wilsby29 | instead of persuing a this fantasy of activities |
| 12:34.46 | Sho_ | You don't have it right now; you will in the future. |
| 12:34.55 | Basstard` | Kontrol De Environment |
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| 12:35.17 | wilsby29 | activities are and further abstraction away from virtual desktops that will NOT give me the control I need/want |
| 12:35.33 | wilsby29 | Basstard, exactly |
| 12:35.37 | Jucato | wilsby29: why not? no one's saying why not. but the features you want are exactly what cannot be done simply by your "virtual desktops" that "virtual desktops" concept has to be extended. guess what that extension is |
| 12:35.54 | Jucato | how do you know that it will not? |
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| 12:36.10 | Sho_ | wilsby29: The problem is that "show me some widget on desktop x, y but not z" is already beyond "virtual desktops" |
| 12:36.24 | Sho_ | Because widgets aren't windows, and virtual desktops are only about windows. |
| 12:36.38 | wilsby29 | jucato, you are wrong... tying plasma to the virtual desktops is exactly what is needed |
| 12:36.44 | Basstard` | What about "multiple desktops" then? |
| 12:37.02 | Sho_ | Basstard`: That's what we're talking about, they're virtual desktops |
| 12:37.07 | Jucato | wilsby29: how do you know that it is wrong? how do you know that it is exactly what is needed? proof of concept? |
| 12:37.16 | Sho_ | The whole thing suffers from very confusing terminology sadly :) |
| 12:37.22 | Basstard` | Sho_: Well, to me virtual and multiple are two different words.. |
| 12:37.24 | wilsby29 | jucato, because I know what I need and want |
| 12:37.54 | Jucato | wilsby29: that doesn't mean that it is the only correct thing or it's the only needed thing. you're being selfish |
| 12:38.01 | wilsby29 | it's not the terminology that sucks... it the theory of it all that is bad |
| 12:38.20 | Sho_ | Basstard`: yes, but they're two names for the same as far as the technology is concerned |
| 12:38.22 | Jucato | you're contradicting yourself. you're demanding empowerment and freedom but demand that everyone conform to your needs |
| 12:38.39 | wilsby29 | all it boils down to is.... let me put whatever I want on my virtual desktops and stop tellimg me how to manage my work! |
| 12:38.56 | Sho_ | Jucato: Actually the real problem is that he's making unsubstantiated claims about activities taking anything away :) |
| 12:39.06 | wilsby29 | if I want widget X on desktop X, and Y. then wtf can't I |
| 12:39.06 | Sho_ | wilsby29: That's what activities do. |
| 12:39.17 | Sho_ | wilsby29: You can. That's what activities do. |
| 12:39.21 | wilsby29 | Sho_ you just said that it's not, now you are contradicting yourself |
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| 12:39.38 | wilsby29 | not it's not what activities do... activities are a further abstraction away from virtual desktops |
| 12:39.48 | Sho_ | No, I know very well what virtual desktops are; I have actually contributed code to our window manager. |
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| 12:40.06 | wilsby29 | wonderful |
| 12:40.24 | Sho_ | You're being pissed at something for no reason :) |
| 12:40.25 | wilsby29 | I know what virtual desktops are. They are all I need |
| 12:40.34 | wilsby29 | and plasma should integrate with them |
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| 12:40.48 | wilsby29 | not come up with a whole different inferior concept |
| 12:40.54 | annma | inferior? |
| 12:41.00 | annma | it adds functionality |
| 12:41.05 | annma | it doe snot remove it |
| 12:41.08 | wilsby29 | no, it limits functionality |
| 12:41.14 | Sho_ | annma: That's what we've been trying to explain to him. |
| 12:41.14 | annma | in what way? |
| 12:41.18 | annma | oh God |
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| 12:41.37 | annma | how do activities restrain functionality? |
| 12:41.49 | annma | wilsby29: ^^ |
| 12:41.52 | wilsby29 | because I want fine grained control over which widgets appear on each virtual desktop and each background on each virtual desktop |
| 12:41.59 | annma | so? |
| 12:42.55 | Sho_ | annma: I already told him that activities will allow that kind of association rules to be made, but he ignored it several times. |
| 12:42.57 | annma | you tie widgets to virtual desktops? |
| 12:43.09 | annma | and that's it? |
| 12:44.11 | wilsby29 | with activities.... I can't express this simply thing.... Put widget X on virtual desktop 1,2,3, and 5. Put widget Y on virtual desktop 2, 4, and 5. Put background X on virtual desktop 1, 4, and 5. Put background Y on virtual desktop 2, 3, and 4 |
| 12:44.34 | annma | you're taking the problem reversely |
| 12:44.38 | wilsby29 | annma, yes,.. you tie widgets, backgrounds, etc... to virtual desktops... and thats it |
| 12:44.39 | Sho_ | That's what activities will allow you to do. |
| 12:44.44 | annma | the problem is: what do you do with your desktop |
| 12:44.59 | annma | and plasma answersz this for all people |
| 12:45.09 | wilsby29 | annma, I'm thinking about control. not abstration. I'm talking about usability not theory |
| 12:45.10 | annma | some users won't use activities |
| 12:45.24 | annma | I am talking about what users do |
| 12:45.27 | wilsby29 | activities are pure theory on user behaviour |
| 12:45.30 | annma | no |
| 12:45.40 | annma | you're reasoning on your own little use |
| 12:45.58 | Basstard` | Any other documentation on the net about this, apart from that blog? |
| 12:45.58 | annma | you don't need activities: fine! just ignore them |
| 12:46.07 | wilsby29 | annma, like I said above.... with activities I can't express those simple requirements |
| 12:46.12 | annma | but do not try to make all users behave like you |
| 12:46.16 | Sho_ | You can. |
| 12:46.20 | annma | YOU can't |
| 12:46.20 | wilsby29 | because activities what to limit me |
| 12:46.23 | wilsby29 | I can't |
| 12:46.25 | Sho_ | sighs |
| 12:46.26 | annma | OTHERS CAN |
| 12:46.28 | wilsby29 | Sho_, explain how |
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| 12:47.13 | Jucato | what you *can't* do yet, not even with Virtual Desktops is setting a widget to display only one *some* activities |
| 12:47.18 | wilsby29 | if I have my virtual desktops configured as 1 (work), 2 (work), 3(work), 4(PIM), 5(Music) |
| 12:47.23 | wilsby29 | with activities I would have 3 activites |
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| 12:47.28 | Sho_ | wilsby29: Set up five activities, and associate windows, widgets and backgrounds with them freely ("I want this on activity x and y", "I want this on all activities but z", etc.), then switch between them |
| 12:47.29 | wilsby29 | work, pim, and music |
| 12:47.41 | wilsby29 | Sho_ that does nto work |
| 12:47.42 | annma | you canhave several work activities |
| 12:47.49 | annma | why not? |
| 12:47.53 | wilsby29 | because the plasma widgets will be diffeerent |
| 12:47.55 | wilsby29 | not the same |
| 12:48.05 | annma | you can set whatever widgets |
| 12:48.22 | wilsby29 | ie, widget X (photo slideshow) is different on each activitiy |
| 12:48.29 | Sho_ | wilsby29: You need to forget entirely about what's called "activities" in KDE 4.3 |
| 12:48.33 | Jucato | let me get this straight: you want the same widgets on all activities, but different wallpapers? |
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| 12:48.37 | wilsby29 | but I want widget x to be the same on virtual desktop 1,3, and 5 |
| 12:48.46 | annma | what is the same? |
| 12:48.51 | wilsby29 | ;-( |
| 12:48.52 | annma | explain "same" |
| 12:48.53 | Jucato | you can't pick! it has to be one or all |
| 12:49.00 | muep_ | annma: the same widget instance |
| 12:49.03 | annma | you can display the "same" photo |
| 12:49.04 | Jucato | that doesn't work in Virtual Desktop either |
| 12:49.06 | Sho_ | wilsby29: yeah, that's going to be made possible, too, afaik |
| 12:49.19 | muep_ | annma: like having the same picture frame on many activities |
| 12:49.23 | annma | so you're wanting something evenbeyojnd activities |
| 12:49.29 | Sho_ | wilsby29: Right now "activities" in KDE 4.3 are something very specific, they're separate "Plasma worlds" if you will |
| 12:49.29 | wilsby29 | annma, same as in I insert a widget and choose to display that SAME widget on virtual desktop 1,3, and 5. I then configure that widget once |
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| 12:49.32 | wilsby29 | not 3 times |
| 12:49.33 | wilsby29 | get it? |
| 12:49.40 | Jucato | again, you're limiting to Plasma to what it is *now*. |
| 12:49.46 | wilsby29 | right now I have separate activities, hence separate widgets |
| 12:49.47 | annma | you're wanting something even beyond what we have |
| 12:49.48 | wilsby29 | FAIL |
| 12:49.52 | Sho_ | wilsby29: Activities are morphing into something much more generic that stuff can be associated with or not, including particular widgets |
| 12:49.53 | annma | you're wanting more config |
| 12:49.58 | annma | more cashews |
| 12:50.13 | annma | wilsby29:^^ |
| 12:50.15 | wilsby29 | I'm wanting sometime simple. Tie widgets to virtual desktops in the same way that windows are tied to virtual desktops |
| 12:50.16 | Basstard` | Konfigurable Desktop Environment |
| 12:50.17 | Sho_ | wilsby29: Basically, the current 4.3 activities kinda suck and the plans you read are about making them better |
| 12:50.26 | annma | wilsby29: how would you set this all up? |
| 12:50.34 | wilsby29 | activities don't suck... the concept does |
| 12:50.37 | wilsby29 | it's wrong |
| 12:50.42 | annma | you need config to set this all up |
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| 12:50.54 | Jucato | wilsby29: your virtual desktops can't technically do what you're looking for |
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| 12:51.11 | wilsby29 | jucato, they can... and they do it just fine for windows |
| 12:51.12 | annma | I want this applet on activity/desktop 1, 3, 5 |
| 12:51.18 | wilsby29 | and they could do it just fine for widgets |
| 12:51.20 | Jucato | wilsby29: Windows has virtual desktops? |
| 12:51.26 | annma | windows has virtual desktops? |
| 12:51.28 | Jucato | wait, Windows uses X11? |
| 12:51.40 | wilsby29 | I said windows... not Windows |
| 12:51.42 | annma | virtual desktops AND activities? |
| 12:51.51 | wilsby29 | virtual desktops manage windows just fine |
| 12:51.52 | annma | windpws: kwin? |
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| 12:52.02 | wilsby29 | and virtual desktops could manage widgets too |
| 12:52.13 | annma | so you mean you ditch activities |
| 12:52.13 | Jucato | wilsby29: a single window CAN'T (sorry pino) display on *selected* desktops only |
| 12:52.29 | wilsby29 | jucato, it can! |
| 12:52.31 | Jucato | it has to be on one desktop or all desktops |
| 12:52.32 | annma | you just want virtual desktops with different widgets and different backgrounds |
| 12:52.35 | Jucato | wilsby29: where? |
| 12:52.45 | annma | that's it |
| 12:52.55 | Sho_ | Jucato: well technically nothing stops kwin from getting that feature though |
| 12:53.18 | Jucato | Sho_: sure, but not through the current virtual desktops. and that's just for windows |
| 12:53.19 | Sho_ | (though the netwm spec doesn't support a window being on more than one specific desktop, that's true) |
| 12:53.43 | Sho_ | (which is exactly the point: you need something more than the old virtual desktops tech - hence, activities) |
| 12:53.55 | wilsby29 | not I don't |
| 12:54.09 | wilsby29 | I wish you guys would stop trying to shove activities down my throat |
| 12:54.15 | wilsby29 | I need virtual desktops |
| 12:54.19 | Jucato | summary: what wilsby29 wants is "display widget X in 'desktop' (to use the term loosely) 1, 3, and 5 (notice 2, 4, and 6 are not there)". |
| 12:54.46 | wilsby29 | and I need the simple ability to choose where to display each widget |
| 12:54.49 | Jucato | a reasonable request. except he insists that virtual desktops is *THE* only and proper way to do that |
| 12:54.51 | Sho_ | Virtual desktops don't support "Show window x on desktop 1 and 2, but not 3 (of 3)". |
| 12:55.00 | wilsby29 | sometimes I want a widget on a single virtual desktop |
| 12:55.05 | annma | you just want virtual desktops with different widgets and different backgrounds wilsby29 |
| 12:55.08 | wilsby29 | sometimes I want the SAME widget on multiple virtual desktops |
| 12:55.09 | Jucato | disregarding the fact that isn't even in virtual desktops NOW |
| 12:55.24 | Basstard` | As far as I understand: activities = enhanced virtual desktops? |
| 12:55.25 | annma | wilsby29: propose how you will configurte all this stuff |
| 12:55.33 | wilsby29 | annma, activities acheive that with backgrounds but not widgets |
| 12:55.35 | Jucato | also disregarding the fact that Plasma CAN (and most probably WILL) have that feature |
| 12:55.40 | annma | sometimes the same and sometimes not |
| 12:56.03 | annma | wilsby29: nothing achieve a widget on SOME different virtual desktops |
| 12:56.07 | annma | propose it |
| 12:56.22 | annma | mockups on config |
| 12:56.40 | wilsby29 | plasma needs to integrate with kwin/virtual desktops |
| 12:56.48 | wilsby29 | not activities |
| 12:56.53 | Jucato | also disregarding the fact that Plasma CAN (and most probably WILL) have that feature, and that can only be possible *because* of activities. |
| 12:56.59 | annma | how? just propose a way |
| 12:57.06 | wilsby29 | jucato... it will not work with activities |
| 12:57.09 | Sho_ | .oO (If we just call activities virtual desktops, wilsby29 will be happy ... maybe a special translation ;) |
| 12:57.11 | annma | I'll be waiting for your idea in practical |
| 12:57.14 | MinceR | maybe the capability to run widgets in windows of their own could solve the issue |
| 12:57.24 | Jucato | wilsby29: it doesn't work NOW! the world doesn't end NOW. there is FUTURE. |
| 12:57.25 | annma | oh no |
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| 12:57.31 | annma | in windows!!! |
| 12:57.36 | annma | no no |
| 12:57.45 | Jucato | plasmoidviewr <plasmoid> |
| 12:57.47 | Jucato | :) |
| 12:57.59 | MinceR | hm |
| 12:58.00 | wilsby29 | e.g: I have a picture frame widget that I want to display on virtual desktop 1,3, and 5. with activites that picture frame widget is different and would have to be configured 3 times separately |
| 12:58.02 | Jucato | er viewer* |
| 12:58.32 | Jucato | wilsby29: again, and I've repeated this like 3 or 4 times already, how can you be sure that activities *will not* get that feature? |
| 12:58.38 | mgraesslin | that would be impossible with virtual desktops |
| 12:58.42 | annma | wilsby29: I see your point but how to configure this? |
| 12:58.46 | Sho_ | wilsby29: That is true with the current activities, but not necessarily with the future activities we're talking about. |
| 12:58.47 | annma | on widget level? |
| 12:58.54 | annma | note that I am picture devel |
| 12:58.59 | MinceR | wow, it exists |
| 12:59.01 | MinceR | :) |
| 12:59.06 | wilsby29 | if, however, plasma was integrated with virtual desktops I could simply say. Display widget X on virtual desktop 1,3, and 5. and I would configure it ONCE because it's the same widget INSTANCE appearing on multiple desktops |
| 12:59.14 | wilsby29 | that is why activities do not and never will work |
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| 12:59.18 | Sho_ | annma: Bring up the widget config dialog and have an activity chooser there, that's how it will likely be done |
| 12:59.19 | wilsby29 | because activities are not virtual desktops |
| 12:59.21 | Jucato | wilsby29: you keep on insisting "it's not here now, it will never be. therefore, let's go back to virtual desktops that *CAN'T* technologically support this anyway" |
| 12:59.26 | wilsby29 | and activities do NOT do what people NEED |
| 12:59.39 | annma | Sho_: more and more dialogs |
| 12:59.46 | annma | more and more config |
| 12:59.48 | Jucato | wilsby29: no, it does not do YET what YOU need. |
| 12:59.52 | Sho_ | wilsby29: dude, you don't even know how virtual desktops work :) |
| 12:59.53 | Jucato | it doesn't mean it never will |
| 13:00.06 | annma | I'd like to know the use case for all this |
| 13:00.11 | Jucato | I give up |
| 13:00.13 | mgraesslin | wilsby29: it is impossible to have a window on different virtual desktops and that won't change |
| 13:00.27 | Sho_ | mgraesslin: please don't bother, we've explained it all to him |
| 13:00.36 | mgraesslin | activities is a possible solution to that limitation |
| 13:00.42 | Jucato | he won't believe it's technical not possible |
| 13:00.51 | mgraesslin | that's why I want to integrate activities into kwin and not virtual desktops into plasma |
| 13:01.02 | wilsby29 | jucato, activites will never be able to do what I need because the theory behind are wrong imo |
| 13:01.07 | mgraesslin | it is possible, but it BREAKS all applications |
| 13:01.13 | Jucato | wilsby29: are you sure? |
| 13:01.22 | Jucato | have you really understood the theory? |
| 13:01.23 | annma | wilsby29: talk to mgraesslin who is a kwin developer |
| 13:01.23 | Sho_ | wilsby29: the "imo" is based on false assumptions. |
| 13:01.28 | wilsby29 | I ALREADY CAN HAVE A WINDOW ON MULTIPLE VIRTUAL DESKTOPS |
| 13:01.33 | wilsby29 | STOP SAYING I CAN'T |
| 13:01.37 | Sho_ | wilsby29: NO YOU CAN'T |
| 13:01.39 | Sho_ | :) |
| 13:01.39 | mgraesslin | no you can't |
| 13:01.43 | wilsby29 | yes I can! |
| 13:01.43 | Basstard` | haha |
| 13:01.45 | mgraesslin | you can have it on all |
| 13:01.45 | annma | no you can't |
| 13:01.52 | mgraesslin | but not on 1, 3 and 5 |
| 13:02.00 | Jucato | wilsby29: you can have it on ONE or ALL, but NOT SOME |
| 13:02.01 | annma | a window can be on all desktops but not on SOME desktops |
| 13:02.06 | Sho_ | for the protocol: mgraesslin is a core kwin developer |
| 13:02.07 | annma | hehe |
| 13:02.27 | mgraesslin | it's a limitation in the NETWM spec |
| 13:02.32 | annma | wilsby29: you're saying you can have a window on desktop 3, 5 and 6 only? |
| 13:02.34 | Sho_ | mgraesslin: told him that too :) |
| 13:02.47 | Jucato | for example, you can have Konversation on Desktop 1 or all 4 desktops, but not 1, 3, and 5 only |
| 13:02.49 | mgraesslin | we can change it - sure, but we can be sure it breaks all legacy applications |
| 13:03.06 | Jucato | er.. 6 desktops |
| 13:03.19 | Jucato | oh right ... I gave up minutes ago |
| 13:03.43 | Sho_ | yeah, me too. all the info is in the backlog at this point, multiple tiems over |
| 13:03.47 | mgraesslin | it's btw bug 16187 |
| 13:03.56 | Sho_ | goes look for something more productive to do |
| 13:04.10 | mgraesslin | no bugbot, so https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16187 |
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| 13:06.05 | wilsby29 | mgraesslin, kwin 2.0 ;-) |
| 13:06.14 | wilsby29 | excellent... maybe it has been fixed since then |
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| 13:06.31 | mgraesslin | no it hasn't |
| 13:06.31 | wilsby29 | guess what I just edited a file and now have this current window on deskop 1, and 4 |
| 13:06.34 | wilsby29 | amazing! |
| 13:06.39 | wilsby29 | it works for me |
| 13:06.42 | wilsby29 | and always has |
| 13:06.50 | mgraesslin | not in kwin |
| 13:06.55 | wilsby29 | just because it does have a gui does not mean ti doesn't work |
| 13:06.58 | wilsby29 | ;-() |
| 13:07.01 | mgraesslin | or in any existing NETWM compliant window manager |
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| 13:08.18 | mgraesslin | http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2551464 |
| 13:08.30 | annma | can you pastebin the file wilsby29 |
| 13:08.31 | wilsby29 | mgraesslin. the bug report is correct... you can't select it ;-) (in a gui) |
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| 13:08.57 | mgraesslin | please read it and think about if it is possible by the specification that a window can be on more than one desktop |
| 13:09.26 | annma | and pastebin the file you edited |
| 13:09.42 | wilsby29 | it's not a file |
| 13:09.43 | Sho_ | wilsby29: you realize that you're looking pretty stupid claiming to know better than two people who worked on the app you're using, right? ( mgraesslin far, far more than me, of course :) |
| 13:09.46 | muep_ | kwin 4.3 still seems to allow a window be on 'all desktops' |
| 13:09.46 | wilsby29 | it's a signal |
| 13:09.52 | muep_ | but is this a special case? |
| 13:09.59 | annma | so pastebin the procedure |
| 13:10.02 | wilsby29 | ffs |
| 13:10.09 | Sho_ | muep_: yes, it's either one specific one or all of them |
| 13:10.15 | muep_ | Sho_: ok |
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| 13:11.20 | muep_ | wilsby29: being able to abuse software to make things it's not designed to do doesn't mean that the software should be changed to do that |
| 13:11.44 | Sho_ | muep_: 0xFFFFFFFF in the property (rather than desktop 0, 1, etc.) means "on all of them", as per the spec |
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| 13:12.42 | lmurray | This seems to be slightly off-topic: It would be nice if KWin can put a single window on select desktops but it currently doesn't support it as there is no standard way to do so |
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| 13:13.11 | mgraesslin | yes that would be nice and AFAIK metacity supports it |
| 13:13.17 | lmurray | If I had the time I would just extend the _NET_WM_DESKTOP property and actually see through experimentation as to what happens |
| 13:13.44 | lmurray | ... If Metacity does it and it works then how can it "break legacy apps"? |
| 13:13.58 | mgraesslin | oh I missread your comment |
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| 13:14.10 | mgraesslin | I thought a window following selected desktop |
| 13:14.19 | Crismon | anyone says how i can ablemy user to run knetworkmanager with dbus? |
| 13:14.20 | Sho_ | lmurray: I think mgraesslin meant "always on current desktop" |
| 13:14.54 | lmurray | Ah |
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| 13:15.11 | annma | Crismon: to saw dbis calls use qdbus or qdbusviewer |
| 13:15.17 | annma | Crismon: to saw dbus calls use qdbus or qdbusviewer |
| 13:15.33 | annma | run knetworkmanager then use qdbusviewer |
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| 13:20.06 | Cr1smon | annma: sorry, how i can try? I have changed Pc |
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| 13:21.06 | annma | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.13 | Cr1smon | annma: and? sorry, this is my first experience |
| 13:22.42 | annma | do yo have some knetworkmanager calls inqdbusviewer? |
| 13:22.57 | annma | if not, dbus isnot implemented |
| 13:23.10 | annma | I hab=ve no idea what knetworkmanager is by the way |
| 13:24.35 | Cr1smon | annma: i search in dbus session? or in System Bus? |
| 13:25.35 | annma | everywhere |
| 13:26.19 | Crismon | annma: in DBUS Session i read only: org.kde.networkmanagement |
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| 13:28.34 | Crismon | annma: is not correct? in dbus system i don't read networkmanagement or knetwork..... |
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| 13:28.58 | nik_ | hi |
| 13:28.59 | annma | I haveno idea about knetworkmanager |
| 13:29.11 | annma | which I don't have from kde repo |
| 13:29.16 | nik_ | I use the plasma theme 'slim glow', but the panel is blue...how to change this color? |
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| 13:32.49 | szal | nik_: are you sure that the panel is blue? usually in that theme it's transparent, so if it shows blue for you, that's the colour of your wallpaper or desktop background |
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| 13:33.39 | Crismon | annma: i have build it from kde trunk |
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| 13:34.53 | annma | where is it? |
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| 13:35.44 | annma | so you could look if dbus is enabled in code |
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| 13:37.59 | nik_ | szal: hmm, my desktop wallper is yellow/red, the color of the desktop (without wallpaper) is orange |
| 13:38.32 | szal | nik_: do you have compositing enabled? |
| 13:38.40 | nik_ | no |
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| 13:39.14 | nik_ | szal: oh i see, enabling them makes it translucent...hmm, is it possible without them? |
| 13:39.30 | szal | obviously not ^^ |
| 13:39.41 | nik_ | bad theme ;) |
| 13:40.17 | nik_ | thx :) |
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| 13:50.54 | Crismon | annma: svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdereview |
| 13:51.06 | annma | ah kderview |
| 13:51.36 | Crismon | annma: yes |
| 13:52.29 | annma | is it an app or an applet? |
| 13:53.45 | Crismon | annma: applet |
| 13:54.10 | annma | there's no dbus on an applet |
| 13:54.16 | Crismon | annma: in qdbus i see this http://img9.imageshack.us/i/schermata1p.png/ |
| 13:54.26 | annma | what do yo uwant to do excatly? |
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| 13:55.22 | Crismon | annma: networkconnection work fine but if i launch NetworkManager (Knetworkmanager) i have an error.... |
| 13:55.42 | annma | if you launch the applet? |
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| 13:56.31 | Crismon | annma: this error http://pastebin.com/m557dd14c |
| 13:56.38 | Crismon | annma: i launch knetworkmanager |
| 13:56.49 | annma | from where? |
| 13:56.59 | Crismon | annma: console |
| 13:58.15 | annma | what distro? |
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| 13:58.21 | Crismon | annma: opensuse |
| 13:58.34 | Crismon | annma: i have build kde4 |
| 13:58.36 | annma | it never worked for this KDE version? |
| 13:58.40 | annma | build? |
| 13:59.04 | annma | and everything else workds fine? |
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| 13:59.33 | Crismon | annma: yes |
| 13:59.43 | annma | ask the developer then |
| 13:59.55 | annma | youcan see thisis in kdereview and not in 4.4 release |
| 14:00.18 | Crismon | annma: -- It is necessary to specify the directory where the client policy file for NetworkManager-kde4 is installed as DBUS_SYSTEM_POLICY_DIR. Normally this is /etc/dbus-1/system.d on a Linux system |
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| 14:06.57 | Crismon | annma: but i think is necessary to conmfigure dbus with the /etc/dbus-1/system.d/networkmanager.conf |
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| 14:08.21 | annma | I have no idea, try to look at the forum |
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| 14:11.53 | Crismon | annma: thank you |
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| 14:28.14 | pibarnas | can I have only connected folks appering in my kopete friends lists? I cant see any options... |
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| 14:30.17 | pinotree | pibarnas: settings → show offline users |
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| 14:33.01 | tuxick | what is kde4 and why is it using 100% cpu? |
| 14:33.08 | tuxick | kded4 sorry |
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| 14:40.56 | annma | kde version? |
| 14:43.00 | pibarnas | pinotree: thanks a lot. |
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| 14:50.33 | GNU\colossus | can I have Kontact "minimized to tray" at all times somehow? |
| 14:50.38 | GNU\colossus | I'd like to reduce startup times |
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| 14:55.14 | terr_ | I'm wondering if something is possible to do. Please have a look at this web page: http://agoracom.com/ir/probemines/forums/discussion/topics/386217-are-we-showing-bullish-now-or-what/messages/1283167#message |
| 14:55.38 | terr_ | this thing is over 380Kn without the images. |
| 14:56.23 | terr_ | all I want to see is the post in the middle. Please have a look at how this monster is put together. Is there any way to just grab the wheat and leave the chaff? |
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| 15:34.22 | decker | terr_: links or the like? |
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| 15:37.03 | terr_ | decker: I don't need the links. I'm thinking I'll probably have to use something like wget and pipe ti through a filter like sed. Any other ideas? |
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| 15:38.44 | terr_ | decker - several reasons. It wastes my time. I often miss the good posts. Most are crap bur there are some gems. THen I'm planing on using mobile internet and this will cost me a fortune. THat page with images is like 1/2 MB |
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| 15:48.49 | pbunbun | Anyone else having trouble installing kdebase? Getting "/home/paul/kdesvn/kdebase/runtime/phonon/kcm/devicepreference.cpp:330: error: ‘GlobalConfig’ is not a member of ‘Phonon’" |
| 15:49.03 | pbunbun | And a few more of exact same error in that file |
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| 15:49.19 | pbunbun | Also an error: phonon/globalconfig.h: No such file or directory |
| 15:49.41 | Half-Left | Did you update phonon? |
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| 15:49.57 | Half-Left | from kdesupport? |
| 15:50.14 | pbunbun | Phonon is built as part of Qt, so yeah should be latest |
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| 15:50.52 | Half-Left | You should really use the one from kdesupport, so I was told |
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| 15:51.35 | terr_ | kSirc question: I've never used it over the last few years. How do I set my user id? |
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| 15:52.17 | pbunbun | Hmmm, kdesvn-buildrc says to prefer Qt's, but I'll try kdesupports |
| 15:52.36 | annma | the kdesupport one is more recent |
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| 15:57.23 | McNuggets | how do I turn off the minimized window preview in kwin |
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| 16:01.00 | Half-Left | McNuggets: Task preview thumbnails? |
| 16:01.23 | McNuggets | yeah |
| 16:01.34 | Half-Left | In the task manager settings |
| 16:01.42 | Half-Left | Right click the panel |
| 16:02.00 | McNuggets | ok ill give that a try thanks :)) |
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| 16:02.18 | Half-Left | Just turn off the tooltips |
| 16:02.26 | McNuggets | great |
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| 16:03.37 | McNuggets | Half-Left: your the man it worked thank you very much. I had been trying for days to figure that out |
| 16:03.53 | Half-Left | :) |
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| 16:05.49 | subito | how can i change the password for my kwallet? |
| 16:09.13 | McNuggets | Half-Left: I could not figure it out because I was searching for window preview rather than task preview lol |
| 16:09.33 | Half-Left | hehe |
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| 16:13.15 | roerich__ | subito: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-linux&m=109866444603676&w=2 |
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| 16:19.18 | subito | roerich__: you can do that if you remember your password; i've deleted ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl to reset the password |
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| 16:32.59 | _terr | in kSirc, how can I get it to display the cannel name? |
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| 16:42.05 | buckethead | Hi guys.. I get a lot of notifications about strigi suspending indexing. How can I check *why* it did that? I've got 5GB free on my / partition, 200GB free on /home, and the power is plugged in.. |
| 16:43.21 | annma | it suspends not to use too much CPU |
| 16:43.33 | annma | it suspends when you're doing something else demanding |
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| 16:45.42 | buckethead | Hm. That would explain a few things (netbook..) Would you happen to know where I could find those thresholds? |
| 16:47.22 | annma | you mean the code? |
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| 16:48.02 | buckethead | I'd be happy just to know what the values are. I'll go digging if its not something on the top of your head. |
| 16:48.33 | annma | yes it's not really on top of my head ;) |
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| 17:16.14 | jthomas_sb | When using KIO Audiocd:// in Dolphin, should that use the KDE System Settings settings for audio CDs? The MP3s that Dolphin is creating are only 128kbps and I have System Settings set to higher (Debian Sid, KDE 4.3.2) |
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| 17:23.10 | draik | Hello everyone. I'm trying to build a simple app, but I don't know what I should learn first to build a gui app. |
| 17:23.26 | draik | Any help/direction is greatly appreciated. |
| 17:24.24 | Half-Left | draik: Try Qt Designer and Creator |
| 17:25.23 | draik | Half-Left: qtcreator? |
| 17:25.41 | Half-Left | yep |
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| 17:25.51 | draik | Ok. Getting it now. |
| 17:26.28 | draik | Anything I should know in regards to building an app? |
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| 17:28.11 | Half-Left | maybe try #kde-devel |
| 17:28.44 | draik | Thanks |
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| 17:43.53 | Marchitos | is there anyone using 4.3.81? |
| 17:44.05 | Marchitos | i am experiencing sound problem |
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| 18:09.15 | Marchitos | mmh |
| 18:09.20 | Marchitos | no one talking here |
| 18:09.21 | Marchitos | wow |
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| 18:14.46 | ePortel6607 | Guys I wrote a script to automagicly convert a .ogv file from Record My Desktop to a standard .avi type of file. I've made a .desktop file for it and placed the script in /usr/bin/ The desktop file mime is video/ogv..but it doesn't work. I've tried all/allfiles, that works for testing but I don't want it to stay that way...any idea why the /video/ogv isn't working? |
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| 18:15.20 | ePortel6607 | The script is a a service menu for Dolphin |
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| 18:43.54 | QwertyM | nvm it was a Klipper setting |
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| 18:45.59 | ePortel6607 | Guys I wrote a script/service menu to automagicly convert a .ogv file from Record My Desktop to a standard .avi type of file. I've made a .desktop file for it and placed the script in /usr/bin/ The desktop file mime is video/ogv..but it doesn't work. I've tried all/allfiles, that works for testing but I don't want it to stay that way...any idea why the /video/ogv isn't working? |
| 18:46.22 | ePortel6607 | The only thing that does work is "all/allfiles" but that's not right |
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| 18:49.33 | dorin | hy |
| 18:50.03 | dorin | where shoud i copy the "libflashplayer.so" so that konqeror can use it? |
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| 18:52.17 | Half-Left | dorin: Anywhere, you just point konqueror plugin options to it |
| 18:52.45 | Half-Left | ~/.mozilla/plugins is a good place |
| 18:52.46 | apt | Half-Left: okay |
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| 18:55.14 | dorin | tnx |
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| 18:57.08 | dorin | do u know why the fonst are very small in konqueror in www.yahoo.com? |
| 18:58.05 | Half-Left | nope |
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| 19:02.21 | Bonaparte | Hello. I have recently started using KDE on Fedora 11. I am unable to figure out how to set a keyboard shortcut to minimize all windows. Can someone help? |
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| 19:03.06 | Bonaparte | In the keyboard shortcut settings window, under the Kwin section I see minimize window but not minimize _all_ windows |
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| 19:03.39 | Half-Left | Bonaparte: Add widgets>Show Desktop |
| 19:03.52 | mgraesslin | Bonaparte: in KDE 4.4 there will be a show desktop shortcut |
| 19:04.00 | mgraesslin | but the widget is a workaround |
| 19:04.29 | Bonaparte | Half-Left, I don't see a Show Desktop widget. Should I install a package to access the widget? |
| 19:04.45 | Half-Left | try plasma-addons |
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| 19:06.35 | Bonaparte | Okay, installing kdeplasma-addons |
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| 19:25.08 | Bonaparte | Plasma Show Desktop Widget works well. Is there a way to add a keyboard short cut to trigger the effect of clicking the widget? |
| 19:28.06 | Kame2 | Bonaparte: just click on the widget with the right mouse button and configure the widget. there is a tab to add a shortcut |
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| 19:31.14 | *** topic/#kde is KDE SC 4.3.4 is out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://pastebin.ca | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
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| 19:31.36 | d34df00d | I couldn't find any documentation on the Visual Notifications dbus interface, so I'm asking here. |
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| 19:32.22 | d34df00d | Is there a way to show an "error" notification which won't get closed until user sees it? Or it's just emulated via "infinite" timeout? |
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| 19:34.54 | tuxick | OpenOffice.org(3851)/kio (KIOJob) KIO::SlaveInterface::dispatch: error 104 "Cannot create thumbnail for directory" |
| 19:35.08 | tuxick | getting lots of those while filedialog being insanely slow |
| 19:35.24 | tuxick | beyond slow even |
| 19:35.37 | tuxick | saving a file takes several minutes |
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| 19:58.10 | hellhound_ | can anyone tell me why when I am connect via wifi, I am not able to view flash videos? I go to websites and I can browse my local network drives, but for some reason I am not able to view internet flash video on youtube or hulu. i can view these video when connected view wired connection though |
| 20:01.00 | Pconfig | hey, when i try to start akonadi i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/d61cdf66f does anybody know why this happens? (KDE SC 4.4 beta1 + Opensuse 11.2) |
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| 20:02.23 | annma | Pconfig: bad injstall, mismatch somewhere |
| 20:02.38 | annma | ask your distro about it |
| 20:04.02 | Pconfig | annma: ok.. any pointers on where i can start to look? |
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| 20:06.56 | annma | no sorry |
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| 20:07.24 | Marchitos | is there anyone using kde trunk? |
| 20:07.42 | Torch | Marchitos: just ask your question ;-) |
| 20:07.55 | Marchitos | i have 2 bad problems |
| 20:08.01 | Marchitos | the on with klipper |
| 20:08.07 | Marchitos | each time i select a text |
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| 20:08.16 | Marchitos | klipper copy it into its clipoard |
| 20:08.27 | Marchitos | i have to press ctrl+c to copy |
| 20:08.38 | Marchitos | klipper don't have to copy selected text alone |
| 20:09.04 | annma | look in settings |
| 20:09.22 | Marchitos | ah good |
| 20:09.28 | Marchitos | and then the audio problem |
| 20:09.35 | Marchitos | each time i enter in kde |
| 20:09.36 | annma | you should have thought about it |
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| 20:09.42 | Marchitos | i can't hear nothing.. |
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| 20:09.52 | annma | and can you in your kde from distro? |
| 20:10.02 | Marchitos | what..? |
| 20:10.12 | annma | you said it's trunk |
| 20:10.16 | Marchitos | yep |
| 20:10.18 | Marchitos | suse pkg |
| 20:10.18 | annma | you only have trunk? |
| 20:10.23 | Marchitos | yes |
| 20:10.25 | annma | you only have trunk? |
| 20:10.31 | annma | you're a developer? |
| 20:10.31 | Marchitos | yes |
| 20:10.35 | Marchitos | nope |
| 20:10.39 | Marchitos | a teste |
| 20:10.42 | Marchitos | tester* |
| 20:10.46 | annma | a tester, hmm |
| 20:10.58 | Marchitos | i try to be a tester xD |
| 20:11.11 | annma | so what about systemsettings sound? |
| 20:11.21 | Marchitos | each time i start kde |
| 20:11.26 | Marchitos | i can't hear nothing |
| 20:11.36 | annma | so what about systemsettings sound? |
| 20:11.49 | Marchitos | so i go into yast and i remove the audiocard |
| 20:12.00 | annma | I don't care about yast |
| 20:12.12 | annma | I am asking you about systemsettings, sound tab |
| 20:12.19 | Marchitos | ok waut |
| 20:12.25 | Marchitos | but now sounds is working.. |
| 20:12.29 | annma | seee |
| 20:12.58 | Marchitos | how can i start systemsettings in english? |
| 20:13.30 | annma | systemsettings |
| 20:13.42 | Marchitos | but i installed kde in italian.. |
| 20:13.57 | Marchitos | LANG=EN systemsettings? |
| 20:13.59 | annma | look in the k menu |
| 20:13.59 | Marchitos | how it was? |
| 20:14.10 | annma | why do you need it in english? |
| 20:14.29 | annma | KDE_LANG=en_US |
| 20:14.35 | Torch | annma: maybe because it helps talking about it here? ;-) |
| 20:14.55 | annma | well he should look at it first |
| 20:15.04 | Marchitos | i am under multimedia.. |
| 20:15.10 | annma | you said it works |
| 20:15.49 | Marchitos | now |
| 20:15.49 | Marchitos | not before.. |
| 20:15.49 | annma | so do not touch anything |
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| 20:15.49 | Marchitos | tell me what can i do when this happen |
| 20:15.49 | annma | I have to go anyway |
| 20:15.51 | Marchitos | okay |
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| 20:20.06 | ghostman | http://www.blauenarzisse.de/v3/index.php/aktuelles/1184-climagate-hacker-ueberfuehren-ipcc-zweigstelle-der-systematischen-luege |
| 20:20.38 | Torch | ghostman: what's that about? |
| 20:21.46 | GNU\colossus | Torch: he's a troll who's been kicked for good reason from ##linux just moments before |
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| 20:45.02 | stittel | Hi! Is there another location except /usr/share/kde4/apps/kssl/ca-bundle.crt that KDE will parse for SSL certificates? |
| 20:45.02 | stittel | My problem is that I need to add an SSL certificate to KDE, but that KDE4 has no mechanism to do that, so I added it to /usr/share/kde4/apps/kssl/ca-bundle.crt. Unfortunately that file got just overwritten by an openSUSE patch and people using my systems get SSL warnings when using KMail, which is not so funny. |
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| 20:45.21 | stittel | Of course I could fix it by adding the certificate to that file again, but with the next update affecting ca-bundle.crt, it will break again. |
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| 20:51.02 | rdieter | stittel: see http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=162485 for some fun around that |
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| 20:52.02 | stittel | rdieter: Thanks. |
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| 20:57.45 | pbunbun | Building KDE trunk, everything compiled fine, when installing KDEBase (I'm using kdesvn-build so it's going into $HOME/kde) it stops installing it because it's trying to install some Python stuff in /usr/lib |
| 20:57.54 | pbunbun | Any way to make it skip this and install the rest? |
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| 21:09.59 | ghostman | fuck you! |
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| 21:18.42 | skelet | why have the global shortcuts for kwin suddenly stopped working? |
| 21:19.00 | skelet | i have no alt-tab no alt-f4 no ctrl f1, f2, nothing... it's very frustrating |
| 21:19.06 | mgraesslin | skelet: a qt bug |
| 21:19.17 | mgraesslin | you have to alt+f2 and kwin --replace |
| 21:19.36 | mgraesslin | I assume you are using the beta of 4.4 |
| 21:19.39 | skelet | now they work :D |
| 21:19.42 | skelet | thx |
| 21:20.00 | skelet | i have 4.3.3, but the qt version is 4.6 |
| 21:20.11 | mgraesslin | oh that one is new |
| 21:20.29 | mgraesslin | we thought up to now that only 4.4 is affected |
| 21:20.39 | stittel | rdieter: Well, essentially they do what I did. They add stuff to /usr/share/kde4/apps/kssl/ca-bundle.crt. I think back then I acutally got the idea from this bug report. |
| 21:20.45 | crautcher | can intaling aplication error be repared with update , i mean error reasons ? |
| 21:20.47 | skelet | yeah, i have the 4.4 compiled for another devel user, and for that i need qt 4.6 |
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| 21:22.50 | gentooma | hi |
| 21:22.50 | gentooma | is is possible to set the default position of windows in kde3.5? |
| 21:22.50 | gentooma | i.e. when I start a program, it should appear in the upper left corner of my screen |
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| 21:24.20 | thiago_home | yes |
| 21:24.31 | thiago_home | Alt+F3, Adcanced, Special Window Settings |
| 21:24.44 | thiago_home | and you're lucky that in KDE 4 it's still the same way, or I'd have forgotten by now |
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| 21:30.41 | gentooma | thiago_home: ah nice, it works :) |
| 21:30.43 | gentooma | thanks! |
| 21:32.09 | pbunbun | Stupid google chrome and it's not working properly with window tabbing unless you make it use your normal window manager in which case it's ugly because it doesn't use your normal colours ;_; |
| 21:33.08 | crautcher | i heard about chrome OS coming soon |
| 21:33.39 | buntfalke | Is there another way to synchronize KDE with my syncml-complient mobile phone than using opensync? |
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| 21:35.50 | ghostman | i`m playing with you, not you with me...! ;) |
| 21:36.34 | gentooma | bye and thanks! |
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| 21:41.55 | jthomas_sb | When using KIO Audiocd:// in Dolphin, should that use the KDE System Settings settings for audio CDs? The MP3s that Dolphin is creating are only 128kbps and I have System Settings set to higher (Debian Sid, KDE 4.3.2) |
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| 21:43.03 | hellhound_ | can anyone tell me why when I am connect via wifi, I am not able to view flash videos? I go to websites and I can browse my local network drives, but for some reason I am not able to view internet flash video on youtube or hulu. i can view these video when connected view wired connection though |
| 21:43.57 | watermind | how can I put Kopete on KDE startup? |
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| 21:45.46 | jthomas_sb | watermind you can add it in System Settings |
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| 21:46.58 | jthomas_sb | or, open Dolphin and drag-drop your kopete executable into /home/watermind/.kde/Autostart/ folder |
| 21:46.59 | jthomas_sb | and select 'create link' |
| 21:47.14 | jthomas_sb | or you can create a link from the commandline: ln -s `which kopete` .kde/Autostart/ |
| 21:48.04 | jthomas_sb | but i've not done any of those and it does start for me at login, perhaops there is sometihng in kopete itself |
| 21:49.02 | jthomas_sb | oh, it looks like I do have it in System Settings > Autostart, watermind |
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| 22:03.45 | hellhound_ | can anyone tell me why when I am connect via wifi, I am not able to view flash videos? I go to websites and I can browse my local network drives, but for some reason I am not able to view internet flash video on youtube or hulu. i can view these video when connected view wired connection though |
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| 22:05.09 | Froolap | hellhound_: You don't have the right plugins for it. |
| 22:05.59 | Froolap | hellhound_: try yum install totem-youtube.i686 |
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| 22:06.19 | hellhound_ | Froolap: the sites i am trying are youtube and hulu ... they will work if connected via wire |
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| 22:07.44 | Froolap | hellhound_: If you are connected via wire or via wireless shouldn't make any difference. I suspect you aren't actually connected via wireless. |
| 22:08.25 | Froolap | Iall I can say is I'm woreless and totem works for me. |
| 22:08.25 | Froolap | err wireless |
| 22:08.32 | Froolap | or worthless |
| 22:08.32 | Froolap | take your pick |
| 22:08.50 | Froolap | smile |
| 22:08.57 | hellhound_ | Froolap: i can browse other siotes, do email, and im chat... i know i am connected via wireless |
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| 22:10.17 | Froolap | Well, the codec doesn't know or care about how you are connected. |
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| 22:10.59 | hellhound_ | Froolap: i know it makes no sense.. hence why i am asking for help :) |
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| 22:12.55 | ExElNeT | hi! i tried: konsole -e "ssh root@server" but it isnt working as expected. it works fine when replacing konsole with xterm |
| 22:12.55 | Froolap | hellhound_: I suggest that you type ifconfig while connected via wire, then type ifconfig while connected via wireless. See if for some reason you are getting ipv6 for an ipaddress on your wireless. or if both wired and wireless cards are active with your wireless connection, and it's getting confused as to which adapter to use for routing. |
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| 22:14.18 | Froolap | hellhound_: if it works for wired, but doesn't work for wireless then your issue is in networking.... maybe your router has a rule to block for wireless connections that doesn't exist for wired connections. |
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| 22:16.49 | mauro_ | good evening |
| 22:16.55 | Froolap | No, it's not. |
| 22:16.57 | mauro_ | how i can set the sphere on kde4? |
| 22:17.02 | mauro_ | i don't want the cube :P |
| 22:17.06 | Froolap | But thanks for wishing it Anyways |
| 22:17.43 | hellhound_ | Froolap: ah hah rebooted and video is working on wireless now! |
| 22:17.57 | Froolap | Cool |
| 22:18.34 | Froolap | well, while it's working, type these two commands |
| 22:18.34 | Froolap | ifconfig |
| 22:18.34 | Froolap | iwconfig |
| 22:18.34 | cb400f | mauro_: if it's not listed in the effects settings it's prolly cuz your card doesn't support it |
| 22:18.34 | Froolap | save the output to file. |
| 22:18.40 | cb400f | for the sphere and cylinder you need a fairly recent card afaik |
| 22:18.43 | mauro_ | cb400f: but the cube works very well |
| 22:18.47 | Froolap | That way if it ever breaks, you'll have something to reference how it SHOULD be. |
| 22:18.59 | mauro_ | with compiz fusion it works... |
| 22:19.04 | cb400f | .. at least I can't use them with my intel945 and fx5500 :-( |
| 22:19.20 | mauro_ | just with kwin i can't find the sphere setting |
| 22:19.27 | cb400f | for some reason sphere and cylinder are different.. can't account for the technicalities |
| 22:19.35 | mauro_ | all effects work |
| 22:19.48 | mauro_ | i think that sphere and cylinder too works |
| 22:20.04 | mauro_ | i have an ati mobility x1400 |
| 22:20.20 | hellhound_ | Froolap: nevermind stopped working again |
| 22:20.55 | Froolap | heh |
| 22:21.02 | cb400f | mauro_: well.. go to systemsettings -> desktop -> desktop effects -> all effects |
| 22:21.14 | cb400f | if they're there, they're there, if not, they're not |
| 22:21.33 | cb400f | I guess it's possible that it's a bug in the checks |
| 22:21.43 | mauro_ | mmm i can't find it |
| 22:21.53 | cb400f | before 4.3 they were shown, just didn't work on some cards |
| 22:21.57 | Froolap | hellhound_: which distro are you using? |
| 22:21.57 | mgraesslin | mauro_: sphere is a setting in cube |
| 22:22.06 | mauro_ | yes i know |
| 22:22.08 | mauro_ | i find it |
| 22:22.08 | mgraesslin | but I doubt it will work with an Ati card |
| 22:22.52 | mauro_ | the problem is the video card :( |
| 22:23.01 | mauro_ | because i can't start sphere |
| 22:23.16 | mgraesslin | with fglrx driver it might work |
| 22:23.24 | Froolap | can you start octagon? |
| 22:23.25 | mauro_ | i use ati open |
| 22:23.37 | mauro_ | Froolap: octagon? |
| 22:23.42 | mauro_ | with 8 desktop? |
| 22:23.54 | hellhound_ | Froolap: Kubuntu 9.10 |
| 22:24.18 | Froolap | mauro It's a joke.... at least octagon is closer to a sphere than a cube is. :) |
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| 22:24.47 | mgraesslin | sorry no sphere with free drivers |
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| 22:25.13 | mauro_ | ok |
| 22:25.23 | mauro_ | and how i cant start cube like compiz |
| 22:25.31 | mauro_ | ctrl+alt+ mouse click? |
| 22:25.34 | Froolap | hellhound_: good luck with that then. unbuntu is too broken on too many different levels for me to even bother with. |
| 22:26.13 | mgraesslin | mauro_: you have to use something like xbindkey to map the ctrl+alt+mouse click to ctrrl+f11 |
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| 22:26.43 | mauro_ | ok tnx mgraesslin |
| 22:26.56 | cb400f | use the normal desktop switching shortcuts |
| 22:27.09 | cb400f | ctrl+f1|2|3|4 etc. |
| 22:27.22 | cb400f | or configure your own |
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| 22:28.18 | kakarot | hi, i have just updated my debian box, from kde 3.5 to 4.3 and when login in kdm, the x server restarts to kdm again. i have found this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550992 about if the chosen theme is different to oxigen, kde can't find the file /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/faces/.default.face |
| 22:28.50 | kakarot | does anybody knows how to fix that ? |
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| 22:35.33 | ghabit | Hello. Help me please. I am using Direct Connect client and I am using magnet links for it from local news site. How I can set up to open magnet links with DC client? |
| 22:35.49 | thiago_home | how is that related to KDE? |
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| 22:36.30 | ghabit | thiago_home: I think it is related with browser or file associations? |
| 22:36.54 | thiago_home | right, but you can't do that with UI |
| 22:37.02 | thiago_home | you need to create a .protocol file and install it alongside the others |
| 22:37.11 | ghabit | How I can do it? |
| 22:37.21 | thiago_home | so search for files ending in .protocol on your disk (like telnet.protocol), copy them and edit to match your needs |
| 22:37.35 | ghabit | Maybe I am asking silly questions, sorry, I am not so skilled ( |
| 22:37.48 | ghabit | Thank you, I will try it. |
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| 22:38.20 | thiago_home | you want one with an EXec= line |
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| 22:38.33 | thiago_home | you're going to find a couple (like http.protocol) that aren't programs, but KDE services. |
| 22:40.57 | jthomas_sb | kakarot did you upgrade to Sid or Testing? "KDE in Squeeze (testing) is known to be broken (bugs #559349 and #559550)!" from the debian-kde channel on irc.debian.org |
| 22:41.17 | jthomas_sb | sid seems to be working currently, and they're trying to get Testing fixed i believe |
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| 22:56.07 | ExElNeT | is it possible to create two different konsole windows which each use different window specific settings? |
| 22:58.45 | kernco | You can create profiles in the settings menu and set each window to a different profile |
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| 22:59.59 | ExElNeT | but how can i match the profile with window specifiy settings? |
| 23:01.58 | ghabit | thiago_home: looks like i have understood about .protocol file. |
| 23:02.55 | ghabit | But there is additional trouble - how to fill 'exec' line to get working variant? 'linuxdcpp' does not fit into it because it is not opening magnet, trying to start additional copy of program also. |
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| 23:25.32 | cibaer | hi, can't I switch of window-grouping in kde4 anymore? |
| 23:26.26 | fedel | People, when I use xbindkeys in KDE I have to put .xbindkeysrc in $HOME as in Gnome? |
| 23:26.27 | cibaer | I can't find the taskbar settings anymore |
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| 23:27.44 | cb400f | cibaer: usually when people can't find it, it's cuz the taskbar is full |
| 23:28.05 | cb400f | either clear space in the taskbar.. or open the panel configuration thingy and then right click taskbar |
| 23:28.21 | szal | cibaer: of course you can -> http://omploader.org/vMnh2bw |
| 23:28.57 | cibaer | ah ok, in last versions I was able to click between two windows in the taskbar |
| 23:29.01 | cibaer | but open panel-configuration did it, thanks |
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| 23:31.08 | cibaer | oh, now i encountered a rendering bug, it now fills only the upper half of its size |
| 23:31.22 | cibaer | can't get this working right again |
| 23:31.36 | cibaer | even when switch to max. line numer=1 |
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| 23:36.52 | draik | What's the KDE developer channel? |
| 23:37.21 | draik | devel, got it |
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| 23:37.48 | alin_ | quick tilling in kde 4.4 how? |
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