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| 00:09.32 | oneforall | oh nice the apps on the task bar have move in the right click |
| 00:09.54 | oneforall | and I mean that as nice and not :) |
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| 00:24.26 | egonw | hi all, is there a plasma widget that at timely intervals gives me the output of a command? |
| 00:24.30 | egonw | as plain text |
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| 00:26.53 | blkdragon__ | egonw: check on kde-look.org for plasmoids called "commandwatch" or "Plasmacon"(i think). |
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| 00:27.58 | blkdragon__ | i use commandwatch now, handy if you want to keep track of something, currently i'm tailing a multitail log file. |
| 00:28.37 | egonw | yeah, I got my own git-based todo system |
| 00:28.50 | egonw | and want to have the high prio stuff at my desktop |
| 00:28.55 | egonw | blkdragon__: thanx! |
| 00:29.09 | blkdragon__ | have fun, glad to help |
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| 01:08.28 | sreich | anyone have any ideas on getting kdm to work inside of Xephyr? I can't seem to figure it out..yet need it to test... |
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| 01:11.59 | CartoonCat | what is this "auto mouse grab" 'feature' in kde4 called, and where to turn it off? (IE, in thunderbird if you mouse over the devider, it changes to a ^ arrow, then, will move the divider. this is a pita as it adjusts it by fractions every time i run the mouse over it |
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| 01:15.40 | gazra | vnc doesn't eork on KDE 4.3.2????? |
| 01:15.44 | gazra | vnc doesn't work on KDE 4.3.2????? |
| 01:15.58 | gazra | I have tired everything, it just doesn't work!! |
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| 01:32.36 | gazra | Hello, I'm having a very annoying issue with kmail, I have a lot of E-Mails and the first 10 minutes kmail is just very, very slow, like if every time I started it will do indexing, or check all E-Mail. Is it possible to imporve that? |
| 01:32.48 | licensed | how do I show the temperatura on "system monitor - hard disk" widget? |
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| 01:53.55 | troy | gazra: ask about kmail in #kontact - they might know more (assuming they're awake) |
| 01:55.50 | troy | licensed: you have to use the temperature widget, not the hard disk one, or use the generic 'system monitor' widget which lets you show multiple monitors at once |
| 01:56.18 | troy | notes that the temperature sensor doesn't work on his system - not sure if it's the laptop or plasma... |
| 01:57.11 | troy | CartoonCat: I've never seen anything resembling an 'auto mouse grab' feature in KDE - are you using a touchpad instead of a mouse? |
| 01:58.11 | troy | and gazra, re: vnc - it should work - but let me ask first, client or server? |
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| 01:58.39 | gazra | troy: the problem is that krfb is giving only a picture |
| 01:59.14 | CartoonCat | troy: yes it is a touch pad, that never made a diffrence in any other os ive ever used |
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| 02:00.54 | troy | CartoonCat: it makes a difference if you have 'tap to click' turned on or not, but that's not a KDE setting, that's an X setting and is usually set by the distro |
| 02:01.32 | troy | CartoonCat: the synaptics driver (the x driver that usually looks after the touchpad) is kind of picky for some reason *shrug* |
| 02:02.01 | CartoonCat | oh fun: yea the driver isnt working right then |
| 02:02.05 | troy | CartoonCat: so sometimes it's overly sensitive and thinks you're clicking when you're not |
| 02:02.38 | CartoonCat | "tap to click" is not working (ive no settings enabled due to a issue with X and my intel card) |
| 02:02.38 | troy | CartoonCat: configuring the touchpad is on my personal wishlish for a KDE system settings module - just haven't found the time to write such a configuration module :) |
| 02:03.29 | CartoonCat | troy: deff need a better GUI integration in that respect |
| 02:03.42 | troy | CartoonCat: yep - for my touchscreen too :) |
| 02:04.25 | troy | CartoonCat: does it try to drag in programs other than firefox, by the way? |
| 02:04.51 | CartoonCat | troy: That was thunderbird, and ive not seen it anyplace else |
| 02:05.16 | troy | CartoonCat: hrm - if it's not happening anywhere else, it might actually just be a thunderbird bug |
| 02:05.17 | CartoonCat | i dunno of any other app with the same style divider bar to do a real test with |
| 02:05.36 | troy | CartoonCat: firefox with some sidebars enabled perhaps? |
| 02:05.44 | CartoonCat | mm, will try |
| 02:05.48 | troy | doesn't use thunderbird, so has no idea about it's interface |
| 02:06.34 | troy | gazra: again, are you trying to use KDE as a remote desktop server, or are you trying to connect to a remote desktop with kde? |
| 02:06.54 | CartoonCat | troy: you know, it must be a thunderbird issue |
| 02:07.32 | CartoonCat | troy: I can not get it to happen in thunderbird on the vertical bar of the same type, only the horz between email list and message content |
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| 02:07.50 | troy | CartoonCat: well, check if you've got updates available for your distro :) |
| 02:08.37 | gazra | troy: I tested both and I noticed that the KRDC(client) works using a Xubuntu(vnc server). But when using the KRFB(KDE VNC server) it doesn't work, even from other VNC clients |
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| 02:08.43 | troy | CartoonCat: and if that doesn't help, maybe check if someone on your distro (in your distro channel) can verify the bug, and file a report if necessary with the distro |
| 02:09.14 | CartoonCat | yea, ill go beat on the #gentoo folks some more, ty ty for your help |
| 02:09.35 | licensed | troy hey man :) sorry but.. the "system monitor" widget (plasmoid) didn't shows the temperature, and the "system monitor - hard disk" stops show today. |
| 02:09.55 | licensed | troy what module i want to "system monitor" show temps |
| 02:10.01 | licensed | i need* |
| 02:10.12 | troy | krfb isn't a vnc server though, last I checked, it's an rfb server... |
| 02:11.26 | troy | licensed: the plasma widgets labelled 'system monitor' or 'system monitor - temperature' are the main candidates for what you need |
| 02:13.49 | licensed | troy is not showing.. as pitcure http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5927/modules.png |
| 02:14.38 | troy | looks |
| 02:14.39 | licensed | troy the last plasmoid (hard disk info) before was showing the temperatures.. but stops to show. |
| 02:15.05 | licensed | i think some module is not loaded |
| 02:15.33 | troy | whoa! nice desktop :) anyway, I get the same thing here, where it looks like it loads something resembling a progress bar, but it contains no information |
| 02:16.30 | troy | licensed: I'd do a quick check on bugs.kde.org to see if it's a known bug, and maybe ask if anyone in #plasma can verify it with trunk... maybe it's just broken |
| 02:16.54 | licensed | troy lol! very tanks man .. i'm trying to improve it... i will to ask there =D tanks man! |
| 02:17.06 | licensed | and sorry my english is not so good |
| 02:17.25 | oneforall | what in the bugs would I put in the search, to do with putting in the url. then you switch to the other tabs and they all now have that url you typed in |
| 02:17.26 | troy | licensed: it's okay - most people in KDE speak another mother language than english :) |
| 02:17.48 | troy | oneforall: konqueror? |
| 02:18.07 | oneforall | yeah file mode . just going to try web mode and see if it still does it |
| 02:18.20 | troy | oneforall: probably 'location bar' or similar |
| 02:18.52 | deitarion | Is there a way to say "no ARGB glitz beyond anti-aliased corners" in the Nitrogen windeco rather than just saying "Replace the glow with a subtle shadow"? |
| 02:19.24 | deitarion | (I'm trying to keep the elements of KDE 4 I find pleasing while still aiming for performance closer to what IceWM on a machine 1/5th the speed gives) |
| 02:20.33 | troy | deitarion: well, it's unlikely that the glow/shadow is slowing down your system if it's turned on - most of that processing happens on your video card |
| 02:21.00 | troy | deitarion: I mean, the cpu has to generate the textures initially, but then it just has the GPU move things around using opengl... |
| 02:21.49 | oneforall | actually its when I do a right click on a link and then paste it in a black tab . then hit enter or not and switch tabs and its in all of them |
| 02:21.56 | oneforall | does it in both modes |
| 02:22.27 | troy | oneforall: erg, corner case bug, probably - let me see if I can reproduce |
| 02:22.30 | deitarion | troy: Depends. I've had noticeable CPU-centric performance improvements just by turning down the levels of glitz in Kwin and Plasma so I know something's bogged-down in either X.org or the nvidia binary drivers. Either way, it's irritating when you've got a dual-monitor desktop and you have a shadow crossing the boundary between screens. |
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| 02:25.07 | troy | oneforall: can't reproduce here - I open two tabs, point them both to some random sites, then open a new tab, and paste a link in there - works as expected |
| 02:25.43 | troy | oneforall: or if I open a third, and paste using MMB onto black x in location bar, it works as expected |
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| 02:26.19 | troy | deitarion: ah yes, the shadow across screens thing should be filed as a bug, or harass lmurray if he's online - he might be able to fix :) |
| 02:26.28 | oneforall | before you hit enter switch to another tab |
| 02:27.14 | deitarion | troy: Should I file it under Oxygen, Nitrogen, or Kwin? (It also happens with the glow which was much more annoying until I learned of Nitrogen) |
| 02:27.26 | troy | oneforall: ah - bug confirmed :) |
| 02:27.35 | oneforall | :) |
| 02:27.51 | lmurray | deitarion, troy, that bug was reintroduced when decorations rendered their own shadows. Should be filed under KWin |
| 02:27.54 | troy | oneforall: weird corner case bug :) |
| 02:28.06 | oneforall | some times swtiching back and hitting enter then the other tabs go back to normal but something (more than) they don'y :) |
| 02:28.26 | oneforall | whast that mean corner case? |
| 02:29.21 | troy | oneforall: idiom for 'something that you really only rarely encounter' - I think it comes from math where you have to treat functions that have corners in them differently when you're at the corner |
| 02:29.24 | deitarion | lmurray: Noted. I'll do that as soon as I finish stressing over whether it's worth gaining usability in Chrome to retrain myself to expect the browser on the right monitor. (Where I can slam my pointer to the screen edge and automatically "acquire" the scrollbar) |
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| 02:29.58 | oneforall | ah :) |
| 02:30.22 | troy | oneforall: but don't quote me on that - it's a linguistic hypothesis :) |
| 02:32.08 | deitarion | As for reintroduced bugs, let's hope that the potential change in bug-squashing behaviour offered by Qt 4's bundled unit test suite helps to mitigate the 3-to-4 flurry of problems when it comes time to port to Qt 5. |
| 02:32.39 | troy | deitarion: last I heard, there was no (zero) plans for a qt 5 yet :) |
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| 02:33.03 | PhrkOnLsh | there shouldn't have to be, yet :) |
| 02:33.11 | deitarion | troy: I know... but when there are, I don't want to see a mess on the scale of KDE 4.0. |
| 02:33.23 | deitarion | Having some unit and regression tests ready to port to Qt 5 would help there. |
| 02:33.55 | deitarion | ...of course, from what I've heard of the Qt unit test framework, something like LDTP will still be needed to drive interface testing. |
| 02:33.58 | troy | deitarion: well, with any luck, there won't be - maybe the kde 4->5 transition (assuming we don't rename KDE before then) will be more like the kde 2->3 transition - fairly smooth |
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| 02:34.41 | ryanCH | in desktop effects, i have a cube desktop switcher but when i invoke it, it's just a flat panel that spins to the other desktop, not a cube .. why is this? |
| 02:34.45 | deitarion | *nod* Of course, I'm sorta still smarting from finding that Konqueror went from "jewel of the DE" to "unusable bug-fest" |
| 02:35.09 | troy | deitarion: I use konq *shrugs* |
| 02:35.24 | troy | ryanCH: how many desktops do you have enabled? |
| 02:35.47 | ryanCH | troy, it matters how many? |
| 02:36.00 | troy | ryanCH: well, a cube has four usable sides :P |
| 02:36.06 | ryanCH | lol |
| 02:36.07 | deitarion | troy: I used to use it as a generic KPart harness for doing all my work in one tabbed window. Now it's only really useful as a file manager. |
| 02:36.11 | troy | ryanCH: if you only have two, it'll probably just turn your screen around |
| 02:36.20 | ryanCH | troy, lol.. okay ;p |
| 02:36.25 | ryanCH | thanks :) |
| 02:36.37 | troy | ryanCH: out of curiosity, how many did you have? |
| 02:36.42 | ryanCH | 2 ;p |
| 02:37.29 | troy | ryanCH: heh - see what it does it you put 12 on :P |
| 02:37.38 | ryanCH | ok |
| 02:38.13 | ryanCH | wow, it adds alot of polygons to the cube ;p |
| 02:38.21 | ryanCH | and goes really slow ;p |
| 02:38.35 | oneforall | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:40.13 | deitarion | That reminds me. I have to update my Active Corners (A.K.A. Screen Edges) tool to work with KDE 4. (It's current code currently uses python-dcop to bind scroll-wheel in corners desktop switching) |
| 02:40.23 | oneforall | reading that one and its the same as seamonkey and firefox. typing ot pasting and you goto change a part of it and it goes back to the dropdown suggestion. |
| 02:40.24 | deitarion | s/It's/its/ |
| 02:40.36 | oneforall | ot/or |
| 02:41.06 | troy | oneforall: chrome, imho, does the location bar right |
| 02:41.43 | deitarion | Heh. I actually downgraded Chromium for several reasons just today, one somewhat related. They got rid of the "single-clicking the omnibar selects all" feature. Touched off a real hullabaloo in the bug tracker. |
| 02:41.46 | oneforall | doesn't look like that was reported |
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| 02:42.29 | deitarion | Apparently 50% of the Linux Chrome-using community loved it and the other 50% hated having their primary selection clobbered. (I can only guess they don't have Klipper or equivalent) |
| 02:42.46 | troy | deitarion: heh :) |
| 02:43.09 | troy | deitarion: of course chrome could do that while preserving primary selection if they wanted to... |
| 02:43.34 | troy | oneforall: well, if you file the bug, I'll confirm it for you :) |
| 02:43.36 | deitarion | troy: Eww. Even worse. There's nothing I hate more than bugs in things like KWrite disassociating visual selection from primary selection. |
| 02:43.53 | troy | deitarion: heh :) |
| 02:44.34 | deitarion | ...and the Ctrl+L "workaround" was useless because, despite having "pianist hands", LeftCtrl+L is almost painful and RightCtrl = Compose |
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| 02:45.34 | deitarion | If I can remember why RightWinKey wasn't an option, I'll re-evaluate using it for Compose instead. (RightAlt is Level3Shift already) |
| 02:46.14 | deitarion | I just wish Qt 4 hadn't broken IME support so I had to choose between ComposeKey and IME. (I like being able to type â¬, é, and random bits of Japanese or Korean) |
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| 02:48.26 | deitarion | Anyway, enough with that tangent. I think I'll grab a snack and then see if, now that I have an almost-impossibly-complete picture of what I want, a tiling WM will meet my needs. (None of the existing offerings have decent defaults or config UIs and Kwin's support just got bumped to 4.5) |
| 02:48.48 | oneforall | ugh I hate it when you pick the app and it reloads for more |
| 02:51.09 | oneforall | Application List : Konqueror - Web Browser/File Manger. I pick that then it loads with another list O.o |
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| 02:51.47 | deitarion | oneforall: That's a flaw Konqueror has had for ages. It assumes you couldn't possible want it to be the final viewer for non-HTML content. |
| 02:51.47 | oneforall | er wait I should be hitting continue not search eh |
| 02:52.15 | troy | oneforall: yep :) |
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| 02:52.43 | deitarion | Ahh, well watch out for what I said too. Konqueror likes to redirect stuff to external viewers when you try to open it via the command-line. |
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| 02:53.48 | oneforall | deitarion so has it been reported? I never found one but I wouldn't count on that since I'm not to found of how use the bug reporting :) |
| 02:53.53 | KWhat4 | why does kde keep loosing my programs |
| 02:54.03 | troy | KWhat4: explain |
| 02:54.09 | thansen | anyone have some tips on getting the networkmanager applet to build? it's failing on Linking CXX shared library ../../lib/libknmui.so |
| 02:54.24 | KWhat4 | troy: whats the sys mon called |
| 02:54.28 | deitarion | oneforall: I forget. I reported a flurry of near 100 bugs back when I first moved to KDE 4.2 and I can't remember all of them. |
| 02:54.37 | KWhat4 | ksysguard |
| 02:54.40 | deitarion | (I jumped from 3.5 to 4.2) |
| 02:54.43 | troy | thansen: pastbin output |
| 02:54.47 | KWhat4 | its vanished from my K menu |
| 02:54.51 | KWhat4 | programs keep vanishing |
| 02:55.00 | troy | KWhat4: ksysguard |
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| 02:56.01 | troy | deitarion: ever follow any of them up to see if they got closed/rejected/fixed/etc...? |
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| 02:56.56 | deitarion | deitarion: I follow all of them. When I can spare the time, I revisit the bugs after upgrading to confirm or deny their continued presence. |
| 02:57.00 | oneforall | darn this good enough for the keywords konqueror location bar paste and switch to the other tabs and it keeps the paste |
| 02:57.09 | deitarion | I've been finding it rather depressing and demoralizing, to be honest. |
| 02:59.06 | deitarion | It doesn't help that people like aseigo seem to be a little more undiplomatic than I am. As of KDE 4.1, I had the impression that Plasma was going to be a "Users with more than primitive multi-monitor desktops need not apply" sort of thing. |
| 02:59.32 | thansen | troy: http://pastebin.ca/1662910 |
| 02:59.39 | deitarion | I only found out recently that "We're not doing it. Too difficult." really meant "We may reconsider in the future." |
| 03:01.03 | deitarion | (I want things like panels spanning both monitors... something which should be trivial to support for desktops with no dead space as long as Plasma is capable of gracefully handling the kind of monitor-connectivity gymnastics laptops experience regularly) |
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| 03:01.57 | deitarion | I believe, at one point, I commented that people who bought identical monitors for a dual-head setup were being punished for the sins of users who grabbed a second monitor out of the trash. |
| 03:02.35 | troy | thansen: that's emerge output - not really useful - I don't really know how to turn on verbose compiling for that ... |
| 03:04.27 | troy | thansen: and the error is happening much much earlier than linking libknmui.so |
| 03:04.35 | troy | thansen: it looks like your qt version might be too old |
| 03:04.53 | deitarion | It also doesn't help that it feels as if every concession to "A regression is a regression, even if it's from KDE 3 to 4" has to be a big battle. |
| 03:05.11 | troy | thansen: networkmanager.cpp:31:31: error: QGraphicsBlurEffect: No such file or directory |
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| 03:05.51 | troy | ^^^ interesting domain :P |
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| 03:06.17 | thansen | troy: is that something new in 4.6? |
| 03:06.47 | troy | the kde network manager hasn't been released yet 'officially', and kde trunk requires qt 4.6 |
| 03:06.59 | thansen | ok |
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| 03:07.34 | oneforall | https://bugs.kde.org/wizard.cgi hope that explains it good:) |
| 03:07.47 | troy | thansen: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6-snapshot/qgraphicsblureffect.html <-- "This class was introduced in Qt 4.6." |
| 03:07.50 | thansen | must have just recently changed..been using it for a while |
| 03:07.50 | deitarion | I know they don't have the manpower of people like Microsoft, but it's very tiring to feel like you're in the wrong for pointing out how many bugs and regressions remain. |
| 03:08.46 | troy | deitarion: we try our best :) I'm actually going to go on a developer recruitment mission soon, as I apparently wear the marketing hat :) |
| 03:09.14 | troy | deitarion: basically, how do I turn users into contributors :) |
| 03:09.39 | deitarion | troy: I'd be a contributor but for two or three small problems: |
| 03:10.10 | troy | deitarion: well, by filing bugs, you are a contributor, at least in the entry level sense :) |
| 03:10.31 | deitarion | 1. My primary languages are Python, PHP, Bash, CSS, HTML, and JS. |
| 03:10.54 | troy | deitarion: oh - notice I said 'contributor', not 'developer' :) |
| 03:11.38 | deitarion | troy: I'm running out of steam for filing bugs. It's just too demoralizing to see things as important and fundamental as Kopete's auto-reconnect taking years to fix. |
| 03:11.53 | deitarion | Hence why I've been trying to get set up as a developer. |
| 03:12.02 | troy | deitarion: kopete is seriously undermanned |
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| 03:12.17 | deitarion | Kopete, Plasma, etc. You name it, I've got bugs. |
| 03:12.57 | deitarion | Undermanned or not, the kinds of bugs and features that do get fixed/implemented say a lot about developer priorities. |
| 03:13.07 | troy | deitarion: a few projects need some new blood - kopete is one of them -- plasma has enough people, but they're more interested in trying new things |
| 03:13.39 | troy | deitarion: right, and it being open source, I can't say to someone: "stop working on the netbook shell, and work on multi-monitor panels" :) |
| 03:14.26 | troy | deitarion: what I can do is be supportive of users trying to scratch their particular itch, and maybe turn them into developers : |
| 03:14.42 | deitarion | Yeah. I've flirted with dumping KDE 4 several times over the past couple of years. It just doesn't feel like the KDE I knew. (KDE 3.5 was the only decently-architected, stable, configure-as-you-like desktop on Linux. KDE 4 is still, to some extent, unstable and under-configurable. If I wanted that and didn't mind a little condescention, I'd use GNOME) |
| 03:15.35 | troy | deitarion: well, hopefully 4.x is at useable levels these days for most people - I mean, corner cases like oneforall discovered notwithstanding |
| 03:15.37 | oneforall | troy > https://bugs.kde.org/wizard.cgi :) |
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| 03:15.46 | troy | oneforall: bug number? |
| 03:16.03 | oneforall | Bug 213797 |
| 03:16.43 | deitarion | troy: Usability is debatable. I find it usable... as long as I don't need Plasma. Every crash/logout requires me to re-sort my panel icons, re-position my widgets, and so on. I'm just glad it seems to have stopped misplacing the panels themselves. |
| 03:17.20 | deitarion | I ended up retreating to old-style "always-under window" widgets to get some sanity. |
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| 03:17.25 | troy | hrm - I've had one plasma crash in the last three months; do you have a lot of custom widgets loaded? |
| 03:18.14 | deitarion | troy: Not really. Mostly just icon plasmoids dragged from the launcher. I do have a couple of QuickAccess widgets, but that's all that comes to mind. |
| 03:18.35 | deitarion | It's probably more that I leave my desktop logged-in 24/7 for weeks on end. |
| 03:19.20 | deitarion | KDE 4.3 brough a delightful new "feature". When running Plasma for such long periods, it starts randomly duplicating taskbar entries so you end up with three "Chrome" buttons, two of which stay when you quit it. |
| 03:20.10 | oneforall | kwin/plasma crashes for me every couple of days. Compile got needed patches wich wasn't too many. But runtime testing and then there was a few patches need and some I just haven't figured out yet :) |
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| 03:20.18 | troy | oneforall: confirmed bug |
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| 03:21.17 | wvmac | is there a way to turn off all panel tooltips in 4.3.2 |
| 03:21.30 | oneforall | thanks |
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| 03:21.54 | Megaf | http://www.flickr.com/photos/megaf/4088517270/sizes/o/ =D |
| 03:22.01 | troy | deitarion: never seen the duplication bug :) |
| 03:22.04 | Megaf | you must see this ;) |
| 03:22.27 | deitarion | All in all, one of the bigger things keeping me on KDE is that GNOME polluted all the non-GNOME GTK+ alternatives with their buggy, no-app-specific-bookmarks-supported Open/Save dialogs. |
| 03:22.40 | troy | Megaf: why why why? :P |
| 03:22.51 | Megaf | troy: see it http://www.flickr.com/photos/megaf/4088517270/sizes/o/ |
| 03:23.05 | Megaf | look at it |
| 03:23.10 | Megaf | take a look |
| 03:23.12 | troy | Megaf: I did - hence my response :P |
| 03:23.26 | Megaf | thats crazy |
| 03:23.31 | troy | hey - at least KDE is the same upsidedown :P |
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| 03:25.18 | deitarion | Heh. Font. Definitely the fonyt. |
| 03:25.22 | deitarion | s/fonyt/font/ |
| 03:25.36 | troy | heh - that's probably actually a lot less work that it appears - font substitution, then vertical mirror |
| 03:25.42 | deitarion | Exactly. |
| 03:25.47 | deitarion | Vertically-mirrored glyphs on an otherwise normal desktop. |
| 03:26.09 | troy | deitarion: well, all the icons, etc. are upside down, which would be excessively much work |
| 03:26.31 | Megaf | PS. thats a bug |
| 03:26.32 | troy | deitarion: of course, making kde look funny is easy - try running a random kde application with the '--reverse' option :) |
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| 03:27.28 | deitarion | troy: For the record, I could do that to the icons with ImageMagick and 5 minutes worth of shell script. |
| 03:27.49 | deitarion | (Just countering "which would be excessively much work") |
| 03:27.56 | troy | deitarion: right :) |
| 03:28.13 | troy | deitarion: it doesn't explain the menu opening upwards though |
| 03:28.37 | deitarion | Ahh. Point. |
| 03:29.04 | troy | which would require patching qt :P |
| 03:29.10 | deitarion | Looks like there's a coordinate grid inversion somewhere in the low-level code. |
| 03:29.35 | Megaf | ill take more screenshots |
| 03:30.05 | troy | Megaf: why would you do that to your desktop :P |
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| 03:30.39 | deitarion | Anyway, is there an alternative guide to setting up a KDE development environment? I keep getting confused and wandering off to do something else whenever I try to set up a dev environment that uses anonsvn via git-svn and doesn't pollute my shell with all sorts of aliases that don't fit my working style. |
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| 03:32.18 | troy | deitarion: I don't use any aliases - the one on techbase is too busy for me :) |
| 03:32.35 | troy | deitarion: mostly just checkout the modules you want |
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| 03:33.09 | Megaf | troy: deitarion :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/megaf/4087800589/sizes/o/ |
| 03:33.16 | troy | deitarion: to build them, go to some build dir, type 'cmake /path/to/src', 'make', 'make install' |
| 03:33.16 | deitarion | I'm considering just setting up a Kubuntu chroot using dev-util/debootstrap, using as many Project Neon bits as I can, applying cheap hacks liberally, and letting the chroot keep them isolated from the rest of my system. |
| 03:33.53 | Megaf | [01:30:05] <troy> Megaf: why would you do that to your desktop :P |
| 03:33.54 | Megaf | Fun |
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| 03:34.40 | deitarion | (Yes, I'm an "Ideology/architecture counts for nothing if nothing gets accomplished" kind of guy. How did you know. :P ) |
| 03:34.43 | troy | deitarion: if you want to edit config options for cmake, replace the command cmake with 'ccmake' in the above and you can inspect all the build options interactively |
| 03:35.21 | troy | deitarion: that's all I do for my development setup |
| 03:35.36 | troy | deitarion: afterwards, you can write your own scripts |
| 03:36.04 | deitarion | troy: I'm also the kind of guy who's willing to spend an hour or two writing automation to avoid spending 15 to 30 minutes doing repetitive, boring stuff... which says a lot about my personality. |
| 03:36.25 | deitarion | ...and a lot about why I tend to stick to the highest-level languages I can get away with. |
| 03:36.38 | troy | deitarion: right, but you also likely would like to do it a few times so that you know how it works before you automate it, right? |
| 03:36.57 | Megaf | troy: can you do this? http://www.flickr.com/photos/megaf/4087800589/sizes/o/ |
| 03:37.01 | Megaf | deitarion: ? |
| 03:37.03 | deitarion | troy: Depends. Just working in C++ and C are pain enough to make me cut corners on my dev setup. |
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| 03:38.11 | troy | deitarion: well, the good news is that you don't have to use C for KDE :P and that you can use higher level languages that C++ too, depending on what you're working on |
| 03:38.51 | Megaf | has been ignored |
| 03:38.52 | Megaf | :) |
| 03:38.55 | Megaf | good night |
| 03:38.56 | troy | deitarion: anyway, svn checkout, 'ccmake /path/to/src', 'make', 'make install' is the path to start on, in my opinion |
| 03:39.01 | troy | Megaf: we looked at 'em :) |
| 03:39.16 | deitarion | troy: I'm just gonna set up that chroot. One sec. |
| 03:39.16 | troy | Megaf: it's still the question of 'why?' :P |
| 03:39.38 | Megaf | troy: fun |
| 03:39.49 | Megaf | and cos its quite impossible to do that |
| 03:39.56 | troy | wonders about megaf's definition of fun :P |
| 03:39.56 | Megaf | hard work |
| 03:40.16 | troy | Megaf: well, davinci wrote all of his notes in mirror :P |
| 03:40.28 | deitarion | I only enjoy things more demanding than reading these days if they have a certain minimum real-world return-on-investment. |
| 03:40.43 | deitarion | (eg. Writing a program that's fun to write and useful once ready) |
| 03:41.09 | Megaf | seriously, i must sleep now, good night |
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| 03:46.21 | oneforall | hmm I'll have to check out that 2mandvd . like dvdstyler. qdvdauther is nice too . But takes to long on the menus and as simple as dvdstyler is its easier to control the menus too |
| 03:47.01 | oneforall | any one tried that 2mandvd app? |
| 03:51.28 | troy | anyone with koffice 2.1 rc 1 that can confirm this bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213802 |
| 03:52.13 | oneforall | hmm I have 2.0.91 |
| 03:52.27 | troy | oneforall: probably close enough - you should be able to confirm that bug |
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| 03:53.50 | oneforall | kword? |
| 03:53.53 | troy | yep |
| 03:54.20 | troy | type something, press CTRL-ENTER, type something, press ENTER (should insert new line, ends up inserting a new page break again) |
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| 03:56.53 | oneforall | ok I dunno what that supposed to do but I type in hell no ctrl enter the type hell yes and its down on the next page :) |
| 03:57.14 | oneforall | type hell yes then enter |
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| 03:59.54 | oneforall | guess thats a page break since it goes to the next one eh |
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| 04:03.01 | deitarion | What's the simplest way to figure out which KDE package provides a given tool? (I'm used to Gentoo's split ebuilds and now I'm prepping to load up my Project Neon chroot for my first attempt at a patch) |
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| 04:04.28 | oneforall | well me I use grep appname /var/log/package* :) |
| 04:04.44 | oneforall | whoops forgot the / before the * |
| 04:05.02 | oneforall | gentoo I dunno |
| 04:05.09 | yunix|off | hi all,anyone to help me? :) |
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| 04:05.26 | deitarion | I may as well ask in here then. Less hassle than looking into the ebuild to see what package it's pulling in. |
| 04:05.34 | deitarion | Starting off... aKregator. |
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| 04:08.41 | shmay | how can i determine my computer specs? |
| 04:09.51 | troy | oneforall: thanks :) |
| 04:10.06 | oneforall | :) |
| 04:10.34 | troy | deitarion: akregator is probably kdepim |
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| 04:11.03 | troy | deitarion: see websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE and poke through the packages |
| 04:12.28 | troy | deitarion: build order for packages in kde is usually kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase, everything else |
| 04:12.56 | deitarion | Hmm. Looks like something is broken in Project Neon. The command for getting the build dependencies for kdepim, exactly as quoted in the exampel, fails. |
| 04:13.02 | deitarion | E: Build-dependencies for kde-nightly-kdepim could not be satisfied. |
| 04:13.52 | troy | has no clue about project neon |
| 04:14.12 | troy | deitarion: a less distro specific build script exists at kdesvn-build.kde.org |
| 04:14.19 | troy | deitarion: works well for most people |
| 04:14.27 | oneforall | neon-0.28.5 last one i built |
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| 04:19.00 | troy | yunix|off: if you tell us what your problem is, maybe :) |
| 04:19.12 | deitarion | troy: The idea is that Project Neon can, among other things, reduce the amount of code I have to compile. |
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| 04:19.39 | troy | shrugs - I just use the slackware packages these days unless I have a specific bug |
| 04:20.00 | troy | I'm not a coder most of the time - I wear the marketing hat |
| 04:20.21 | oneforall | whast version of neaon do you have ? |
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| 04:20.50 | oneforall | its built for kde too but forget what. I know its built for subversion |
| 04:21.12 | oneforall | lol thats probably what its for in kde too |
| 04:21.13 | deitarion | oneforall: Project Neon. Nightly auto-built KDE dev head packages. |
| 04:22.12 | yunix|off | troy my scroll for my mouse not working,but 1 man help to me:) |
| 04:23.27 | troy | notes that on a modern distro, scroll wheel is autodetected and working without making any changes to anything |
| 04:23.42 | troy | and I include slackware in 'modern distro' :P |
| 04:24.01 | troy | yunix|off: usb mouse? |
| 04:24.28 | yunix|off | yes:) |
| 04:24.36 | yunix|off | slackware kde 12.1 |
| 04:24.50 | yunix|off | mouse up-down not working:) |
| 04:26.24 | troy | yunix|off: ah - for 12.1, are you using kde 3.x ? |
| 04:27.16 | yunix|off | 3.5.9 |
| 04:27.25 | troy | notes that he's doing tech support near-onto midnight while listening to paul oakenfold in amarok, and sitting in his office eating cookies. argh... |
| 04:27.44 | BP{k} | troy: and this is a bad thing ... uhm .. how? ;) |
| 04:28.11 | troy | yunix|off: okay - you're going to want to ask in ##slackware or #xorg as this is an X setting that needs to be changed... you could also upgrade to slackware 13 which autodetects the scroll wheel (newer X version) |
| 04:28.26 | troy | yunix|off: of course, that would mean KDE 4 as well |
| 04:28.33 | yunix|off | :) oks tnx |
| 04:28.37 | troy | yunix|off: anyway, it's not a KDE problem, it's an X issue |
| 04:29.15 | troy | BP{k}: well, good for the users, bad for my 'writing of scientific papers' progress bar :P |
| 04:29.42 | BP{k} | hehe. |
| 04:30.10 | troy | BP{k}: and I didn't know you hung out in this channel... |
| 04:30.33 | troy | why did I think I knew you from ##slackware |
| 04:31.07 | BP{k} | troy: I hang out in a many channels .. but more quiet in most than in ##slackware ;) |
| 04:31.18 | troy | ah - okay :) |
| 04:31.45 | troy | ##slackware is one of the busiest channels I've ever seen on freenode :) |
| 04:32.02 | troy | I guess because people are always breaking things :P |
| 04:32.25 | oneforall | and SBo |
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| 04:34.28 | troy | just hangs out in the #kde-* namespace where he has karma, joining other channels as needed for questions |
| 04:36.22 | troy | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/29166/1090/ --> "KDE has importantly retained its focus on technology, and not been bothered too much about publicising its achievements. The project abhors spin." |
| 04:36.41 | troy | hahaha - the KDE marketing juggernaut strikes again! :P |
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| 04:39.53 | oneforall | PR |
| 04:42.28 | oneforall | hmm free pr there eh . |
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| 04:43.06 | oneforall | ah well time to go get some munches. |
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| 05:18.13 | troy | wonders why everyone went to sleep :/ |
| 05:18.18 | troy | goes to sleep too then |
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| 05:57.44 | deitarion | Are there any standards regarding the form and placement of regression/unit tests in KDE 4? (When I get eventually patches written, if applicable, I'd like to at least attempt to include regression tests with them) |
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| 06:15.12 | oneforall | lol I see fc patched the Home.desktop and took out that terrible -NoDisplay=true . But they mnade it for Dolphin |
| 06:15.32 | oneforall | Exec=dolphin sick there is already one there for dolphin . |
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| 06:44.45 | hellhound_ | i just upgraded to kubuntu 9.10 and I am using Kopete 0.80.2. I am having trouble with the facebook plugin. It keeps me in the away status and will not load my friends list |
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| 07:14.22 | oneforall | Burp! |
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| 07:39.01 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
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| 08:56.52 | stanza | hi guys! do you know how to use strigi file indexing service? i a m not able to find the client application |
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| 09:47.25 | Moult | any recommended finance manager? my needs are very simple just +, -, categories and a way to see an intuitive summary. i've heard of kmymoney and skrooge - haven't tried any yet, any suggestions? |
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| 09:48.22 | Moult | oh, and kde4 version if possible |
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| 10:05.49 | Googie | I have a very strange behaviour of konqueror at only one linux account - other accounts get it work correctly |
| 10:05.52 | Googie | the behaviour is: |
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| 10:06.56 | Googie | first page loading (after every new log into KDE) takes about 15 seconds (with CPU usage 100%), then it loads page normall |
| 10:06.59 | Googie | *normally |
| 10:07.21 | Googie | so it looks like konqueror freezes for 15 secs and then it gets back to normal working |
| 10:07.38 | Googie | and it happens only on my user, works fine for other users |
| 10:08.03 | Googie | I tried to delete all bookmarks, cookies - no results |
| 10:08.10 | Googie | any idea? |
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| 10:08.45 | wm4 | if often happens that if I clink on a link in Konqueror, it displays a "timeout" message instead of loading the site |
| 10:08.52 | wm4 | this doesn't happen in Firefox |
| 10:09.01 | wm4 | is it a known bug or something? |
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| 10:09.27 | Googie | wm4, how log have you observed it? |
| 10:09.37 | Googie | I mean was it like testing for 5 minutes or couple of days? |
| 10:09.57 | wm4 | Googie: at least some months; I don't remember if this happened with kde3 |
| 10:10.26 | Googie | what about firefox? do you use it as much as konqueror? |
| 10:10.39 | wm4 | yes |
| 10:10.40 | Googie | maybe you just don't use firefox much enough to observe this |
| 10:10.42 | Googie | aha |
| 10:10.43 | Googie | ok |
| 10:10.59 | Googie | hmm |
| 10:11.20 | Googie | how often does it happen? |
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| 10:12.08 | wm4 | sporadically - and if it happens, a simple F5 fixes it |
| 10:12.26 | wm4 | I think there must be something wrong with KDE's HTTP code... |
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| 10:12.51 | Googie | I wonder if it might happen if you browse local file system pages |
| 10:14.10 | wm4 | actually, sometimes I do browse local html files, and it may be that said bug never happens with local files |
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| 10:14.43 | Googie | what kde version are you using? |
| 10:15.18 | wm4 | Googie: 4.3.2 |
| 10:17.05 | Googie | same as here |
| 10:17.12 | Googie | I didn't notice such problem |
| 10:17.21 | Googie | and I use konqueror every day |
| 10:17.56 | Googie | I have some other problem with konqueror which I found workaround for: I have to use other user than my own, old user |
| 10:18.20 | Googie | I had to create fresh user and run konqueror under it, so it doesn't make problems |
| 10:18.31 | Googie | but it's still a workaround |
| 10:18.48 | Googie | I wonder if it could help for your case |
| 10:19.11 | wm4 | I migrated from KDE3, but I deleted my old own kde profile when I did that |
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| 10:38.20 | geo27 | Hello ! |
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| 10:38.35 | Web-Kanotix903 | Hi |
| 10:39.32 | geo27 | I'm searching for a plasmoid that would display the status of num-lock and caps-lock keys of my cordless keybord, does-it exists for kde4 ? |
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| 10:40.15 | dimm | hi! |
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| 10:41.03 | dimm | how can i change virtual desktop? i turn off the count of virtual desktop to 4, but i can't find panel for this |
| 10:41.11 | dimm | i have not mouse wheel |
| 10:41.53 | geo27 | dimm: Ctrl+F1 to get to desktop 1. |
| 10:42.11 | geo27 | and Ctrl+F2 to get to desktop 2 and so on. |
| 10:42.35 | dimm | hm, i tried this, but i see runned task in all display is this right ? |
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| 10:43.29 | geo27 | dimm: it looks as if you've redefined default shortcut... |
| 10:43.59 | geo27 | Unless I'haven't understood what you meant. |
| 10:44.36 | QwertyM | geo27: I remember one used to be there, no idea where it disappeared off to! |
| 10:45.20 | dimm | i imagine that i need for 'pager' |
| 10:45.29 | QwertyM | dimm: you can set the taskbar to show only current-desktop tasks I think, check its settings (smooth tasks user here..) |
| 10:45.49 | geo27 | QwertyM: well, it's a pity no such plasmoid exists yet. I tend to guess that I'm not the only one to use a cordless keyboard in the world... |
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| 10:46.31 | QwertyM | geo27: should be easy to write this I think, but I don't have enough time right now, maybe in a couple of days :) |
| 10:47.24 | geo27 | QwertyM: well, do as you can. I don't have the programming skills necessary to achieve this. I've used google and found many a thing, for kde3.5. I even found this : |
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| 10:47.48 | geo27 | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/kbstateapplet/ and thought it was for kde4... |
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| 10:48.42 | coolant9 | Could I use solid to come up with a new device notification (A storage device). without having any actual hardware. Basically, I'd like Amarok to arrange my |
| 10:48.42 | coolant9 | music collection to some folder, which I intend to use as mount point of that virtual device. |
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| 10:50.03 | dimm | geo27, my english is to low, but if you look at http://www.everyjoe.com/newlinuxuser/howto-configure-multiple-virtual-desktops-in-kde/ i think, you can understand me. i imagine, that i need for applet "Pager" but i dont' know where i can found him |
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| 10:50.47 | soulchild | k3b alpha doesn't really work, any (kde) alternative ? |
| 10:51.07 | geo27 | dimm: which version of kde are you running ? |
| 10:51.50 | dimm | 3.5.10 |
| 10:52.23 | dimm | (i have not Pager in 'right click on taskbar'->Add new panel->Pager) |
| 10:52.36 | geo27 | dimm: what distribution ? |
| 10:52.42 | dimm | gentoo |
| 10:53.10 | dimm | Pager was after installation, but i have turn him off, and now i need for him |
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| 10:53.52 | pinotree | dimm: we provide a pager applet in both kde3 and kde4 |
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| 10:55.03 | dimm | pinotree, where i can fount his ? |
| 10:55.12 | pinotree | in both the cases, it is in the kdebase module |
| 10:55.54 | pinotree | as you are using gentoo, there's an high chance it has ben insanely split in some insane small package, so better ask in #gentoo-kde |
| 10:55.55 | geo27 | dimm: you can also try to launch kpager from a konsole and see what happens. |
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| 10:57.07 | dimm | geo27, it is a answer for my question |
| 10:57.18 | pinotree | dimm: as you are using gentoo, there's an high chance it has ben insanely split in some insane small package, so better ask in #gentoo-kde |
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| 10:57.50 | geo27 | dimm: do you mean that I solved your problem ? |
| 10:58.09 | dimm | i was have pager applet, but after i turn off him from taskbar, i can not find his anymore |
| 10:58.17 | dimm | geo27, 50% |
| 10:58.36 | dimm | now i know that i have not kpager in my system, and i try what pinotree said |
| 10:58.54 | pinotree | kpager is a standalone application and not an applet |
| 10:59.08 | geo27 | dimm: half the way is not so bad. Check this : eix kpager |
| 10:59.08 | geo27 | * kde-base/kpager |
| 10:59.18 | dimm | together you are health! |
| 10:59.42 | dimm | # eix -c kpager |
| 10:59.42 | geo27 | so, emerge kde-base/kpager should solve your problem once and for all... |
| 10:59.44 | dimm | [N] kde-base/kpager (3.5.10(3.5)): KDE Virtual Desktop Overview |
| 10:59.50 | dimm | N meant not installd :) |
| 11:00.02 | geo27 | dimm: you're on ! |
| 11:03.20 | soulchild | k3b alpha doesn't really work well, is there any (kde) burning alternative ? |
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| 11:04.43 | bastiandg | brasero is no kde programm but it works pretty well |
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| 11:05.41 | QwertyM | geo27: I found the same plasmoid on ubuntu's servers |
| 11:05.44 | soulchild | bastiandg: it needs to install about 40 packages :( |
| 11:05.49 | pinotree | soulchild: kde3's version of k3b can be an alternative as well |
| 11:05.54 | QwertyM | geo27: looks like ubuntu/suse have it even now |
| 11:05.54 | aditsu | hi, is there a way to align the desktop widgets to a grid? |
| 11:06.59 | geo27 | QwertyM: what would be it's final name then ? Because, as dimm, I use gentoo, and kbstateapplet is referenced for kde3, but I'm on kde4. |
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| 11:07.42 | QwertyM | geo27: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/plasmoid-kbstate-0901060524/plasmoid-kbstate_2.0~svn906377.orig.tar.gz is the download link and add replace its CMakeLists.txt with this paste: http://paste.ha.ckers.in/plain/28093 |
| 11:07.52 | QwertyM | -add* |
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| 11:09.28 | QwertyM | geo27: compiles and works fine for me here :) (4.3.x) |
| 11:11.03 | QwertyM | geo27: I don't think anyone besides opensuse/ubuntu included this to their distro since it isn't a part of kde officially yet (or I can't find it in there) |
| 11:11.10 | geo27 | QwertyM: wow, it sounds great. I've done as you said (download the tar.gz, unpacked it and changed the contents of CMakeLists.txt as you said). How do I compile it now ? make ? |
| 11:11.43 | QwertyM | geo27: one moment, writing the instructions for you |
| 11:13.13 | QwertyM | geo27: http://paste.ha.ckers.in/29077 |
| 11:14.03 | QwertyM | geo27: (you might need the header files etc.. no idea on gentoo terminology for those, guess it comes by default) :) |
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| 11:17.09 | QwertyM | geo27: done? |
| 11:17.49 | geo27 | QwertyM: well, I had to get back one dir (cd .. from build/ to have the make command work). the install went fine, but I don't see the applet yet. I'm on the way... |
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| 11:20.18 | QwertyM | geo27: it should appear in the list, next to the virtual keyboard? |
| 11:21.17 | QwertyM | maybe it needs to run "kbuildsycoca4", not sure.. it appeared right away for me! |
| 11:21.23 | geo27 | QwertyM: Yeah ! It's on ! |
| 11:21.27 | QwertyM | :) |
| 11:21.59 | geo27 | Thanks a lot for your help. The plasmoid is awful, but at least, it does what it's been desinged for... |
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| 11:22.23 | QwertyM | heh, hope a better one comes soon :p |
| 11:24.28 | geo27 | Well, this solved until a new version comes out. That's great ! I'm really happy with that ! |
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| 11:29.25 | night | hi, after reboot i've lost the taskbar in kde |
| 11:29.33 | night | where can i find it again? |
| 11:30.02 | night | i mean, i lost the part of taskbar which shows opened windows |
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| 11:30.33 | pinotree | right click â panel options â add widget â taskbar |
| 11:30.37 | QwertyM | night: add the "Task Manager" applet to the panel from Add Widgets.. dialog |
| 11:30.53 | pinotree | (taskbar is the part showing processes only", the rest is called panel) |
| 11:31.09 | night | hmm ok, i only have task manager tho |
| 11:31.25 | QwertyM | the same |
| 11:31.56 | night | oh and clock / battery / etc lost their position and when i try to drag them to right corner they just go back to left |
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| 11:38.03 | QwertyM | geo27: I'll probably put this up on kde-apps/look.org with full credits, and hope its easier for others to find/build |
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| 11:38.41 | QwertyM | night: add the task manager first, then move them to the right of it, should work :) |
| 11:40.05 | night | hehe ok thanks :) |
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| 11:40.46 | Ch3mtail | Is there a viable way to re-enable or replicate the old trick from KDE3 allowing use of the meta key both as a modifier and a standalone key in kde4? |
| 11:41.04 | pinotree | no |
| 11:42.28 | Ch3mtail | Short, thanks. |
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| 11:52.04 | MarcoPau | hello guys, since my last upgrade (kde 4.3.2) the resizing of the windows has become extremely slow. is it a known problem? |
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| 12:37.07 | Idhan | hi.. I have problems with kile..doesn't save my preferences.. I want to modify the file manually but, does anybody know where is it?? |
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| 12:40.43 | cb400f | ~/kde(4)/share/config/kilerc is a good bet |
| 12:40.44 | apt | okay, cb400f |
| 12:40.49 | cb400f | Idhan: ^ |
| 12:40.58 | cb400f | .kde(4)/ |
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| 12:42.59 | Idhan | cb400f: thanks.. I did try .kile |
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| 12:43.12 | qknight | if kicker crashed i could just restart it with 'kicker' in a shell |
| 12:43.19 | qknight | how do i do that in kde 4.x? |
| 12:43.26 | pinotree | plasma-desktop |
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| 12:43.35 | cb400f | (for >= 4.3) |
| 12:43.51 | qknight | thanks! worked |
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| 12:45.35 | Idhan | cb400f: the kilerc is there, but is not information about the shorcuts I need to modify.. do you have another idea? |
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| 12:46.17 | cb400f | dunno.. I guess that depends whether the shortcuts are global or app specific |
| 12:46.26 | cb400f | maybe there's a #kile channel |
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| 12:49.58 | jasabella | what is the default kde user interface typeface called? |
| 12:50.26 | jasabella | kde4 |
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| 12:52.23 | jasabella | is it liberation sans? |
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| 12:55.16 | jasabella | wow |
| 12:56.52 | pinotree | in vanilla kde, the default font is "Sans Serif", which is an alias for the default serif font in your fontconfig configuration |
| 12:57.41 | jasabella | which by default is? |
| 12:57.48 | jasabella | nimbus sans? liberation sans? |
| 12:57.57 | crashev | amarok 2.2.0 is so unstable - is there a way to have amarok 1.4.x under kde 4.3.3 ? |
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| 12:58.25 | zvonimir | is there a way to make amarok crossfade between songs? |
| 12:58.40 | jasabella | there has to be a default |
| 12:59.02 | pinotree | jasabella: depends on your distribution |
| 12:59.16 | crashev | zvonimir: in 1.4 there is such option |
| 12:59.28 | jasabella | most common? |
| 13:00.09 | zvonimir | crashev: I know there is for 1.4 but I somehow decided it might be the time to switch to 2 |
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| 13:00.47 | rogersman | Hi, does anyone know to configure which devices will bring computer out of standby? I would like to add keyboard for ex...thanks |
| 13:01.13 | crashev | zvonimir: right now I cant even start amarok 2.2.0 it crashes at start, seems to be very unstable, I dont recommand You doing that ;] |
| 13:01.15 | zvonimir | I can't find an option anywhere (and it's a really cool feature :) ) so I hoped someone wrote a script or sth |
| 13:01.29 | zvonimir | it works very fine to me |
| 13:01.33 | jasabella | nobody knows heh |
| 13:01.44 | zvonimir | except no crossfade :( |
| 13:01.47 | jasabella | well that sux |
| 13:02.53 | pinotree | jasabella: one of the most common can be dejavu sans, but as i told you you should better ask in the channel of your distro (as they setup fontconfig) |
| 13:03.03 | pinotree | jasabella: also, when asking on irc, be *patient* |
| 13:03.35 | jasabella | just amused that you stare at it all day and have no idea what it's called hehehe |
| 13:04.04 | jasabella | you dont find that somewhat ironic? |
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| 13:05.14 | zvonimir | jasabella: when looking at a pretty girl, knowing here name won't make any difference to her prettiness |
| 13:06.28 | jasabella | lol |
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| 13:08.47 | zvonimir | so, anybody knows of a way to make amaroK crosfade? |
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| 13:10.11 | jasabella | makes me wonder why i should even include it in my CSS |
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| 13:12.26 | rogersman | nice 7 quick GUI way to view and mount iso files? |
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| 13:19.39 | shadeslayer | hi i need some help with kde svn |
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| 13:20.39 | shadeslayer | i want a seprate DE alongside my normal kde,the wiki page tells people to add a new user whereas i need a new DE |
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| 13:21.52 | cb400f | is this "mysterious" DE another instance of KDE or a non-kde DE? |
| 13:21.52 | shadeslayer | so basically i need something like project neon,but since neon is a very big download,i want to compile kde as a seprate DE,like KDE(Stable) and KDE(SVN) |
| 13:22.13 | shadeslayer | cb400f: its kde itself,but the svn build |
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| 13:23.04 | pvandewyngaerde | anyone that wants a google wave nomination for an invite ? |
| 13:23.16 | shadeslayer | pvandewyngaerde: me!! |
| 13:23.28 | pinotree | pvandewyngaerde: completely unrelated with kde, really :) |
| 13:23.34 | Torch | shadeslayer: i don't quite get what you want to do... if you really just want to run kde svn alongside your distro's packages, why not just follow the wiki? |
| 13:23.46 | pvandewyngaerde | i am a bot searching for emailadresses |
| 13:23.49 | pvandewyngaerde | :-) |
| 13:23.50 | pinotree | shadeslayer: the instructions of the wiki makes you do exactly that |
| 13:24.37 | shadeslayer | Torch: well it not really what im looking for,you see the wiki adds another user and compiles the package under that user,what i want is like 2 instances of kde,one svn and one stable,which i can switch b/w using kdm |
| 13:24.44 | pvandewyngaerde | i just saw i had 30 invitations to give out |
| 13:24.59 | pvandewyngaerde | i dont have 30 friends |
| 13:25.03 | pinotree | shadeslayer: again, what you want is the final goal of the wiki instructions |
| 13:26.03 | pinotree | the separate user is an extra step to avoid you to DESTROY your personal user data |
| 13:27.12 | shadeslayer | pinotree: oh,i thought ill be building kde under kde-devel account and not my own account |
| 13:27.33 | pinotree | correct, the wiki instructions makes you do that |
| 13:27.46 | shadeslayer | pinotree: thats what i dont want :D |
| 13:28.09 | pinotree | do you want to accidentally destroy your user configuration and data? |
| 13:28.27 | shadeslayer | pinotree: fresh install here,so nothing in /home :P |
| 13:28.30 | Torch | shadeslayer: if you have to ask here about it, you're way better off doing it just the way the wiki instructs you to do it. |
| 13:28.42 | pinotree | also, note that compiling kde is not the same as running it |
| 13:28.50 | shadeslayer | pinotree: of course :) |
| 13:29.13 | shadeslayer | pinotree: im getting more and more familiar with compiling stuff |
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| 13:31.01 | pinotree | then you can just compile as separate user, as safety measure, and then install in a system path (eg /opt/kde) |
| 13:31.26 | Pooh22 | I have a kaddressbook question; where are addresses stored (and has this changed between 3.5.x and 4.x.x)? |
| 13:32.03 | shadeslayer | pinotree: yes thats kinda what im looking for,kde-neon installs into /opt/kde |
| 13:32.21 | pinotree | Pooh22: ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf (or ~/.kde4, depeding on your distro), and it hasn't changed so far |
| 13:32.34 | shadeslayer | pinotree: so like i have two DE's : KDE stable and KDE svn for the same user |
| 13:32.41 | Pooh22 | pinotree: tnx, I'll have a look... |
| 13:33.04 | pinotree | shadeslayer: then you can do what i'm suggesting you |
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| 13:34.03 | shadeslayer | pinotree: ok,and how do i get kdm to see the svn install? |
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| 13:34.11 | pinotree | see instructions on techbase |
| 13:34.46 | shadeslayer | pinotree: which one? this? : http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 |
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| 13:35.18 | pinotree | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development |
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| 13:38.41 | elliot98 | Quanta tells me the spelling feature |
| 13:38.46 | elliot98 | is not configured correctly |
| 13:38.51 | elliot98 | how do I set it up? |
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| 13:40.05 | Pooh22 | pinotree: tnx again, found them back :-) |
| 13:40.11 | elliot98 | so how do I set up Quanta to spell check? |
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| 13:57.18 | orzel | hello. sound is (again) broken on my kde. I have no clue what happens but i got a message at startup that my sound card dissapared. Though kmix and mplayer find it can manage it. KDE can't : in systemsettings all entries for my sound card are greyed, and juk plays music silently.... any idea what i could do ? It worked (well, kind of) until today... |
| 13:57.56 | orzel | (using kde 4.3.3 here, on a gentoo system) |
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| 14:12.05 | datenritter | systemsettings tells me i cannot configure my printers, because either an old module was left on the system or i need to install one. an interface "KCModule" (keyword "...system-config-printer-kde.py") is missing. any ideas? |
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| 14:24.29 | william | hi |
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| 14:25.55 | Guest11784 | I'm having trouble getting the plasma hard disk monitor working. I am using a software raid device /dev/md0 but the plasma hard disk monitor only lists the /dev/sda and /dev/sdb partitions |
| 14:26.05 | Guest11784 | and I'm not able to specify them manually |
| 14:26.09 | Guest11784 | bug? |
| 14:26.52 | Guest11784 | I like hard disk monitors, cpu monitors, temerature monitors, they're cool especially on my new computer |
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| 14:27.41 | Guest11784 | i7 920 overclocked to 3.2GHz, amd HD 4890 2x Crossfire, 6GB ddr3 ram (6x1GB 3 channel dual bank mode) |
| 14:27.43 | Guest11784 | it's awesome |
| 14:28.20 | freeedrich| | hah, but no money left to buy a nick. What a pity. |
| 14:29.10 | Guest11784 | do you have to buy nicks? |
| 14:30.11 | datenritter | Guest11784: no, you can just type /nick bla and your nick will change |
| 14:30.37 | Guest11784 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.03 | Guest11784 | some is using bla lol |
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| 14:31.22 | zvonimir | Guest11784: try another one :) |
| 14:32.21 | ireallyneedapoo | did that work? |
| 14:32.32 | zvonimir | yep |
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| 14:35.28 | arkascha | is there ANY way to tell okular to stay with the setting "Fit Page" instead of that annoying "Fit Width" as a default ? |
| 14:35.37 | pinotree | nope |
| 14:35.56 | arkascha | is surprised... |
| 14:36.12 | datenritter | ok, i removed a bunch of old kde-packages and old libs etc. but still no printer setup |
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| 14:39.37 | AliTarihi | سÙاÙ
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| 14:39.39 | AliTarihi | ops |
| 14:39.46 | AliTarihi | Hi all :p |
| 14:39.53 | pinotree | hiho |
| 14:40.18 | zvonimir | interesting... |
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| 14:57.43 | PetoKraus | heya, just a quick question. Is it possible to change the alt-tab behavior |
| 14:57.50 | PetoKraus | to list only apps on current desktop? |
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| 15:02.20 | AliTarihi | PetoKraus: nothing on kwin options |
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| 15:02.52 | PetoKraus | AliTarihi, found it actually |
| 15:03.18 | AliTarihi | PetoKraus: really? where ? |
| 15:04.11 | PetoKraus | window behaviour |
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| 15:05.39 | AliTarihi | PetoKraus: yup. Did not check that. ty :) |
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| 15:19.15 | depesz | hi. got strange error - whenever i click on K-button on my panel - whole kde freezes - it's 4.3 on arch. |
| 15:19.32 | depesz | it looks somehow related to plasma, but i don't have any sensible idea on what might be wrong. |
| 15:19.37 | depesz | any idea on how to debug/fix it? |
| 15:20.22 | Schorfi | depesz: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=84247 |
| 15:21.57 | depesz | Schorfi: thx. |
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| 15:36.16 | PetoKraus | is there a way to disable the panel tooltip? |
| 15:36.21 | PetoKraus | i've got a couple of icons there |
| 15:36.27 | PetoKraus | and the tooltip is just annoying |
| 15:36.35 | jondrusek | can I stack panels on the top of each other in KDE4.3.3? I'd like to have to external taskbar on top of the panel, not on the top of my screen |
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| 15:37.31 | cb400f | you can put a taskbar on the desktop at least |
| 15:37.38 | cb400f | .. but then windows will cover it of course |
| 15:38.24 | cb400f | maybe there should be a horizontal spacer for putting widgets on top of each other in panels :-) |
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| 15:41.00 | jondrusek | cb400f: or that, yes |
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| 15:43.59 | depesz | question - i use kdialog --passivepopup to display notifications. when i have <a href="...">...</a> it is underlined like link, but clicking on it doesn't work - what could be wrong? or should i use another way? |
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| 15:58.15 | annew | rdieter: where is the command that starts up gpg-agent these days? I can't find it |
| 15:58.37 | rdieter | annew: on fedora anyway, /etc/kde/env/gpg-agent-startup.sh |
| 15:58.55 | annew | oh - system-wide? |
| 15:59.00 | annew | I didn't realise that |
| 15:59.50 | rdieter | been that way for ages |
| 16:00.05 | annew | it's a forum user having problems, and I don't think he said which distro |
| 16:00.12 | annew | still, I'll tell him to look there |
| 16:00.14 | annew | thanks |
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| 16:00.56 | rdieter | I suspect that kdepim-4.3.x can autostart it as needed these days (but I've not had time myself to confirm that) |
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| 16:05.30 | mwilson_ | So, will you guys be recompiling KDE against 4.6 when it is released? |
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| 16:14.59 | guax | mwilson_, isnt that a packager option? |
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| 16:30.22 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 16:30.57 | AlexC_ | the Date/Time settings are always reset when logging out/restarting, which is confusing the hell out of me since it's off like half an hour :P. I set it to sync with a time server, and the changes take place - but are reset |
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| 16:31.53 | mwilson_ | guax: I'm not sure if it is or not. I don't compile it myself. :) |
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| 16:32.25 | cb400f | AlexC_: only kde time? or system wide time? |
| 16:32.31 | cb400f | run 'date' |
| 16:32.39 | cb400f | .. point is.. prolly not a kde issue |
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| 16:37.17 | AlexC_ | cb400f: kinda hard to do now, I've already corrected it |
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| 17:01.50 | PhrkOnLsh | Anyone having problems navigating krunner using the keyboard? It absolutely refuses to react to tab/arrows/etc, only return |
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| 17:04.39 | Ender2070 | did u tab over |
| 17:04.53 | Ender2070 | nvm |
| 17:04.57 | Ender2070 | no mine works |
| 17:05.57 | PhrkOnLsh | It should just be tab, no? It's not working for me at all :( |
| 17:06.11 | PhrkOnLsh | oops crash. Wierd |
| 17:06.15 | Ender2070 | weird |
| 17:06.22 | Ender2070 | <-f11/kde4.3.2 |
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| 17:06.46 | PhrkOnLsh | Ender2070: F12 :) |
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| 17:07.17 | Ender2070 | im waiting for binary blob for f12 |
| 17:07.18 | PhrkOnLsh | switches to task oriented and sees what happens |
| 17:07.42 | PhrkOnLsh | rpmfusion usually hits about the time of official release |
| 17:07.52 | Ender2070 | yeah |
| 17:08.03 | Ender2070 | thats what sucks about having a notebook with a good gfx card |
| 17:08.09 | PhrkOnLsh | lol |
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| 17:08.19 | PhrkOnLsh | good is highly subjective tersm ;) |
| 17:08.22 | PhrkOnLsh | terms, even |
| 17:08.27 | Ender2070 | power management |
| 17:08.51 | Ender2070 | oh mine is an 8400m |
| 17:09.13 | PhrkOnLsh | my intel works out of the box with the opensauce drivers :) |
| 17:09.21 | Ender2070 | i get more fps |
| 17:09.39 | PhrkOnLsh | also, I thought there was a way to resize the width of the kicker, but I can't seem to find it. It doesn't take the entire width of the screen by default, correct? |
| 17:09.40 | Ender2070 | as of currently |
| 17:09.46 | PhrkOnLsh | I'mma nuke krunner's config |
| 17:09.59 | Ender2070 | by default no it doesnt |
| 17:10.08 | PhrkOnLsh | :P |
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| 17:11.00 | taras | will there be something larger then 4.3.3 in 4.3.x or I can start compiling? :) |
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| 17:11.53 | Ender2070 | --funroll-loops |
| 17:12.55 | PhrkOnLsh | Krunner must have some secret config. I rm'd the krunnerrc and it still uses the same config settings? lol |
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| 17:13.37 | Ender2070 | its probably in the main config for kde |
| 17:13.38 | cb400f | defaults? ;-) |
| 17:14.06 | PhrkOnLsh | I don't think so. It has a few custom krunners that i built that weren't enabled when I added them. |
| 17:14.09 | Ender2070 | why dont you make a new user and see if its the same bug |
| 17:14.28 | PhrkOnLsh | there we go |
| 17:14.44 | PhrkOnLsh | process still must've been flushing config after i kquitapp'd it :) |
| 17:15.09 | depesz | do you know any plasmoid that would be clock showing time at specified time zone? |
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| 17:15.25 | PhrkOnLsh | depesz: all the clocks allow you to specify custom time zones |
| 17:15.33 | depesz | but not something that works on map like "world clock" :( |
| 17:15.37 | PhrkOnLsh | It's not dependant (though default to) the current time zone |
| 17:15.38 | PhrkOnLsh | ohh |
| 17:15.42 | PhrkOnLsh | hm, there should be ;) |
| 17:15.49 | depesz | PhrkOnLsh: hmm ... can't see anything like this. |
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| 17:16.02 | Ender2070 | i have it |
| 17:16.06 | PhrkOnLsh | hint hint :) |
| 17:16.08 | Ender2070 | its actually called "World Clock" |
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| 17:16.29 | PhrkOnLsh | Ender2070: kde-apps? |
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| 17:16.42 | PhrkOnLsh | oi, hey I have one too! |
| 17:16.43 | Ender2070 | oh thats so cool |
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| 17:16.48 | depesz | Ender2070: world clock shows time on map. |
| 17:16.55 | PhrkOnLsh | It's part of marble |
| 17:16.55 | Ender2070 | yeah im using it right now |
| 17:16.56 | depesz | which is *exactly* what i wrote that i don't want. |
| 17:17.34 | Ender2070 | oh i read it wrong |
| 17:17.44 | PhrkOnLsh | depesz: what -do- you want? I said you can set each clock to a custom time zone, and there is one with ALL of the timezones :) pick one |
| 17:17.54 | Ender2070 | just specify the time zone you want in the config of pretty much any clock |
| 17:18.06 | depesz | PhrkOnLsh: i just checked - not sure how i missed the time zone in digital clock :( |
| 17:18.34 | depesz | PhrkOnLsh: i would prefer analog, but the "analog clock" is ugly, and i can't find any way to change the way it looks. |
| 17:18.44 | Ender2070 | You know what time it is in Tokyo right now, its 2am tomorrow.... its the future |
| 17:19.50 | PhrkOnLsh | depesz: the clock is dependant on your plasma theme. Find one you like and create a "customized" plasma theme in the "desktop theme details" system settings module |
| 17:20.02 | wvmac | Ender2070: tell me if i'm going to pass my test today |
| 17:20.11 | PhrkOnLsh | (ie, keep your plasma theme, but only tell it to use the clock you like) |
| 17:20.21 | PhrkOnLsh | wvmac: did you study? :) |
| 17:20.32 | wvmac | no |
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| 17:21.22 | Ender2070 | you pass |
| 17:21.29 | wvmac | yay |
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| 17:21.52 | depesz | PhrkOnLsh: can't find what you said. what should i open to get it? |
| 17:22.20 | PhrkOnLsh | depesz: 1) find a plasma theme whose clock you like, while I search kde userbase for a tutorial :) |
| 17:22.27 | PhrkOnLsh | 2) follow tutorial :) |
| 17:22.44 | PhrkOnLsh | and if it doesn't exist I'll tell you then write one |
| 17:23.27 | PhrkOnLsh | does Userbase not have https acces? :/ |
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| 17:24.04 | depesz | PhrkOnLsh: ok. got it. |
| 17:24.15 | depesz | i.e. the theme with acceptable analog clock. |
| 17:24.19 | Ender2070 | Analog Clock -> Right Click on it, Analog Clock Settings > Out of the 4 tabs, pick Time Zones |
| 17:24.25 | PhrkOnLsh | depesz: yes |
| 17:24.40 | depesz | PhrkOnLsh: what now - how to make this theme apply only to clock? |
| 17:24.56 | PhrkOnLsh | depesz: after that, go to system settings, advanced tab, "desktop theme details" |
| 17:25.20 | PhrkOnLsh | choose the plasma theme you had before, and scroll down to "analog clock." set the theme for the analog clock to the theme you want. Hit apply or ok |
| 17:25.29 | PhrkOnLsh | go back to the desktop and change your theme to "(Customized)" |
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| 17:25.31 | PhrkOnLsh | enjoy |
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| 17:26.29 | PhrkOnLsh | has about five different plasma themes in his plasma :) |
| 17:26.46 | depesz | PhrkOnLsh: works. great. thank you. |
| 17:27.13 | depesz | PhrkOnLsh: now, if you could only tell me how to display notification with clickable url :) |
| 17:27.14 | PhrkOnLsh | very nice |
| 17:27.28 | PhrkOnLsh | depesz: lol, get coding? :) |
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| 17:28.38 | PhrkOnLsh | is there any userbase page with common terminology to use (ie, plasma wiget/plasmois, workspace/plasma, etc0 |
| 17:29.00 | depesz | PhrkOnLsh: will think about it :) |
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| 18:04.37 | _braindead | hey, i m trying to make an application not appear in the alt+tab window switcher, Any ideas ? Im using kde4. I tried the kwin window + application specific options, couldnt find it there |
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| 18:17.01 | valerio | hi, I'm using kde trunk packages (built on 26/10). it's since quite some time that my Plasma notifications aren't working - i only get the ugly gray square notifications. I tried disabling the plasma ones and re-enabling them, but that didn't work. |
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| 18:19.58 | user__ | Hello everybody |
| 18:20.26 | user__ | I'm new to KDE... I wonder why everything in KDE is always so *BIG* |
| 18:20.37 | user__ | :/ |
| 18:20.58 | user__ | where shall I tweak to fix it? |
| 18:21.11 | user__ | *"fix" |
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| 18:23.14 | shriram | hi guys! I'm using kde 4.3.2 and my taskbar just disappeared. how can I get it back? |
| 18:23.17 | user__ | BIG is cool but not *TOO BIG* |
| 18:24.01 | thiago_home | shriram: do you still see the panel? |
| 18:24.19 | shriram | thiago_home, nope |
| 18:24.29 | shriram | thiago_home, my desktop is empty |
| 18:24.35 | thiago_home | shriram: can you right-click the desktop? |
| 18:24.51 | shriram | thiago_home, nope :/ |
| 18:24.58 | thiago_home | ok, plasma crashed |
| 18:25.04 | thiago_home | Alt+F2 still works? |
| 18:25.17 | shriram | thiago_home, yup.. krunner seems to be up |
| 18:25.27 | thiago_home | type "plasma-desktop" and press Enter |
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| 18:26.12 | shriram | thiago_home, ah.. it didn't find plasma-desktop. but just 'plasma' worked :) |
| 18:26.22 | shriram | thiago_home, thank you so much! |
| 18:26.31 | thiago_home | still using KDE 4.2? |
| 18:26.54 | shriram | thiago_home, ohh.. yeah. 4.2.3 |
| 18:26.59 | thiago_home | that explains |
| 18:27.00 | shriram | thiago_home, sorry |
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| 18:27.04 | thiago_home | it's called plasma-desktop now |
| 18:27.07 | shriram | thiago_home, yup :) |
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| 18:44.14 | aleboco | hi all. is it possible, using kontact filters, to stop outgoing e-mails to be sent, if infected? i don't seem to find an how-to on the web. |
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| 18:49.01 | crashev | is kde svn down at the moment ? => subversion: can't fetch to /usr/portage/distfiles/svn-src/knetworkmanager/networkmanager from svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager ? |
| 18:49.47 | Vroomfondle | crashev: works for me |
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| 18:51.42 | crashev | Vroomfondle: ok, so it seems something is broken in my subversion |
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| 19:11.50 | TheWoozle | Having trouble with printers in kubuntu 9.10 -- two different systems with two different problems. |
| 19:12.07 | TheWoozle | On one, which was an upgrade from 9.04, the "printers" applet in System Settings seems to have gone away completely. |
| 19:12.17 | TheWoozle | Is there something I can (re)install to make that come back? |
| 19:13.34 | TheWoozle | On the other, which was an absolutely fresh-from-scratch install, I can't get the printer installation (in System Settings) to browse the network for a Windows printer -- I have to type it in by hand, and I can't get it to give me any indication that it is actually connecting (nothing comes from printer). |
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| 19:15.21 | superpaul | crashev: works for me too |
| 19:15.42 | TheWoozle | marks the "systemsettings" package for reinstallation |
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| 19:16.24 | marcus_ | hi all. has this one http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/firefox/ already been release in some form as there is a note 'prepare for 1.0 release' from Jul 2008 in release.rb? |
| 19:16.36 | user__ | TheWoozle: just a suggestin, I think you can't find the printer because you have multicast disabled on your network iface |
| 19:16.44 | user__ | *suggestion |
| 19:16.55 | TheWoozle | Hmm... |
| 19:17.11 | user__ | TheWoozle: I mean on the one the LAN |
| 19:17.18 | TheWoozle | Well, that may be *part* of the problem... but I can't even get the client (box #2) to browse the network for printers. |
| 19:17.20 | user__ | *I mean the one on the LAN |
| 19:17.24 | user__ | typos |
| 19:17.41 | TheWoozle | Wouldn't disabling multicast cause other problems? |
| 19:18.09 | TheWoozle | findsmb shows both boxes just fine, and "smbclient -L gonzo" (box #1) shows the printer share. |
| 19:18.38 | crashev | superpaul: now I have problems compiling it ,did You compile it under kde 4.3.3 ? |
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| 19:20.00 | user__ | TheWoozle: try typing "sudo ip link set $IFACE multicast on" |
| 19:20.07 | user__ | and retry to serach for them |
| 19:20.19 | user__ | *search |
| 19:20.23 | TheWoozle | I guess I'm not explaining this right... |
| 19:20.45 | TheWoozle | From bunsen (box #2), "smbclient -L gonzo" shows that the printer is being shared. |
| 19:20.59 | user__ | TheWoozle: do not know, maybe i'm just misunderstooding the problem |
| 19:21.11 | _braindead | hey, i m trying to make an application not appear in the alt+tab window switcher, Any ideas ? Im using kde4. I tried the kwin window + application specific options, couldnt find it there |
| 19:21.12 | crashev | superpaul: it was some kind of temporary down I think, it works for me too right now |
| 19:21.15 | user__ | LOL :) |
| 19:21.17 | kenny | s |
| 19:21.23 | TheWoozle | However, when I run bunsen's System Settings printer module and try to add or modify the printer, there is no way to browse for it. |
| 19:21.38 | TheWoozle | You have to type in the URI by hand... and either I'm doing it wrong, or there's some other problem. |
| 19:21.40 | superpaul | crashev: i just tried to checkout the svn, but i can't compile it for now, I don't have the librairies to do this... |
| 19:22.03 | superpaul | crashev: ok good :) |
| 19:22.43 | TheWoozle | I can't even browse for the Windows machine whose printer is sharing just fine for everyone else. |
| 19:22.47 | user__ | TheWoozle: sorry i'm not very skilled with KDE, just got here... maybe someone will help, I guess... |
| 19:22.52 | TheWoozle | Rokay. |
| 19:23.02 | TheWoozle | Thanks for trying. :-) |
| 19:23.12 | user__ | Not at all ;) |
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| 19:23.55 | TheWoozle | Put another way: I'm beginning to wonder if browsing for Samba printers is one of those features that hasn't yet been rewritten for KDE4.3. |
| 19:23.55 | ssuominen | Evening. Has anyone seen this before (with konq-plugins-4.3.3) error: âconst class KHTMLSettingsâ has no member named âadFilteredByâ ? |
| 19:24.31 | alok__ | is there a single package that installs whole of KDE on windows? the kde-windows installer gets pathetic down speeds, and frequent disconnections |
| 19:25.48 | mschnee|out | It's also missing several important packages/applications. |
| 19:26.46 | alok__ | mschnee|out : what is? |
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| 19:27.27 | mschnee|out | Amarok is the biggest one I can think off. I was looking for a number of other kde apps to put on my Windows 7 machine and found I'd have to downgrade to KDE 4.2.0 to get them. |
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| 19:28.04 | alok__ | yea.. amarok, kopete.. and whenever it comes, kate+konsole+gcc/gcj |
| 19:28.55 | alok__ | i won't mind installing entire KDE, i just want a work around for that painful kdewin installer... |
| 19:29.11 | alok__ | downloading a single tarball would be the best.. with setup file within |
| 19:29.33 | mschnee|out | I'm honestly not sure if that's an available option :( |
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| 19:31.45 | alok__ | they should ship windows with phonon, kdebase and qtlibs |
| 19:32.21 | alok__ | so we can run all these things on windows.. cause playing war3 on garena is still a serious deal with linux :( |
| 19:33.08 | alok__ | gtk apps are so much better in this sense, particularly pidgin.. single application available for download.. why not kopete then? one single binary that can be run on windows... |
| 19:33.10 | TheWoozle | (Ok, apparently system-config-printer-kde mysteriously did not get installed. Go figure.) |
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| 19:34.23 | user__ | Can anyone tell me why in KDE everything looks too big? |
| 19:34.52 | alok__ | user__ : large font, low res top off my head |
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| 19:36.06 | user__ | alok_: in gnome its ok... i think its the behavior of KDE... maybe shall I check something else besides large fonts? |
| 19:36.23 | user__ | *alok__ |
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| 19:38.25 | user__ | How to add an avatar image to kopete? |
| 19:38.35 | user__ | I can't put it |
| 19:38.47 | user__ | on an WLM account by the way |
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| 19:52.45 | kde185 | Ok for the past few days I've been trying to build kde using kdesvn-build but I've been running into problem after problem. Now it seems that kdesupport and kdebase can't do a svn update. Here's the messages: http://pastebin.com/m4a36bce3 |
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| 19:53.20 | kde185 | this is pretty irritating cause I'd like to do some testing of KDE but it's nearly impossible to build it |
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| 19:56.25 | superpaul | kde185: i have this probleme, try to delete the source dir of kdesupport and kdebase and then do a manual svn up inside these directories |
| 19:56.30 | superpaul | *had |
| 19:57.17 | superpaul | kde185: hum, delete JUST the files and folders inside these directories |
| 19:58.30 | kde185 | superpaul: do I leave all of the */.svn directories intact? |
| 19:58.47 | superpaul | kde185: yes |
| 19:58.52 | kde185 | ok |
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| 20:05.48 | kde185 | alright so I guess I should just use kdesvn-build for building and not keeping stuff up-to-date |
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| 20:06.32 | kde185 | what's the status of KDE moving to git? |
| 20:06.47 | alok__ | * bah |
| 20:06.48 | superpaul | yes, i do the same |
| 20:06.58 | superpaul | no idea... |
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| 20:08.14 | mwillis | hi |
| 20:08.15 | troy | kde185: slow and steady - KDE has a lot of inertia :) |
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| 20:08.27 | mwillis | hello |
| 20:08.57 | kde185 | troy: yeah I figured it would take a good while to move something as huge as KDE |
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| 20:09.15 | cb400f | I thought linus already did the work ;-) |
| 20:09.27 | cb400f | didn't they use kde svn to power-test git? ;-) |
| 20:09.36 | superpaul | troy: where can I find informations about the migration? |
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| 20:10.42 | troy | cb400f: that's not the same as moving KDE's active everyday development to git |
| 20:11.14 | thiago_home | cb400f: no, no one managed to fully convert KDE |
| 20:11.15 | troy | cb400f: we have tools that are written for svn (kdesvn-build.kde.org, CIA, websvn, etc.) which need porting to git first |
| 20:11.43 | thiago_home | troy: actually, I doubt they'll be ported _first_ |
| 20:11.58 | troy | thiago_home: right :) |
| 20:12.45 | superpaul | http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/ , it's looks like they are on the right way |
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| 20:14.09 | kde185 | I don't think it works though |
| 20:14.28 | kde185 | at least it didn't work for me, I have to build kde-qt manually |
| 20:14.46 | icwiener | kdesvn-build ca nmanage Git archives (it does so with Amarok) and websvn does not have to be ported but replaced. ;) |
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| 20:17.45 | icwiener | There is a, IRC meeting planned on wednesday at 18:00 UTC and it might be continued weekly from then. If someone is willing to help, attend. |
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| 20:21.14 | kde185 | icwiener: would someone like me(not a kde developer nor a git expert) be able to help? Or is it too early for that |
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| 20:23.55 | icwiener | kde185: Well, I am not sure in what state it is but it seems like the time for discussions is over and everybody just wants to start, so knowing the stuff would be godd. (I am not sure whether I can help either but just attending without annoying anyone cannot do harm. :D) |
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| 20:25.11 | kde185 | icwiener: yeah |
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| 20:44.53 | aleboco | hi all. is it possible, using kmail filters, to stop outgoing e-mails to be sent, if infected? i don't seem to find an how-to on the web. |
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| 20:46.51 | mxttie | hi, when i press F10, present windows groups the windows per monitor, while, when i press alt-tab, it presents all windows on a single monitor. I prefer my windows grouped per monitor using alt-tab. any way to configure this? |
| 20:47.01 | mxttie | ctrl+F10 i meant |
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| 21:06.14 | gmartyn | mxttie: is this it? system settings => window behavior => window behavior => traverse windows on all desktops |
| 21:07.26 | gmartyn | nm prob not |
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| 22:01.28 | freinhard | hi! |
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| 22:02.30 | freinhard | i'm some how confused. got 4.3.3 on karmic and i'm missing the "just this page" button in the printing dialog. i could swear it's been there for the last few years! |
| 22:03.10 | sreich | last few years? what version of kde, do you mean? |
| 22:03.59 | freinhard | 3.x ;) can't remember that i used that option on kde4 yet |
| 22:04.10 | sreich | that's why, then. |
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| 22:04.20 | sreich | or at least possibly why |
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| 22:04.37 | Ac-town | Hey, so I have noticed some bugs with the battery monitor, where should I go to discuss fixing/reporting the bugs? |
| 22:04.52 | sreich | Ac-town: bugs.kde.org |
| 22:04.56 | sreich | Ac-town: or #plasma |
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| 22:05.09 | Ac-town | sreich: Thanks |
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| 22:06.50 | Erthe | Krunner is doing something odd. I hit Alt-F2 and typed in: 'gg:kubuntu' (no single quotes) and hit enter. Konqueror loaded and the URL in Konqueror is /var/tmp/kdecache-user/krun/4783.0.search |
| 22:06.58 | Erthe | So relative links fail. |
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| 22:07.31 | Erthe | I've been trying to solve this problem for a few months (been doing this since KDE 4.2.x in Kubuntu) |
| 22:08.04 | Erthe | Anyone have any interesting ideas? :D |
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| 22:13.22 | crashev | I accidently erase .kde4 directory im my ~ and now I dont have bottom bar with kde start menu - how to recover this ? |
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| 22:13.48 | sreich | crashev: you can't get your settings back, if that's what you mean.. |
| 22:13.57 | sreich | you can get the panel and such back though, manually.. |
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| 22:14.39 | crashev | sreich: I know I cant get my settings back, I just want some normal look of this, right now everyting is crashing and there is no bottom panel |
| 22:15.08 | crashev | shouldnt .kde4 be created/initialized everytime new user is logging in ? |
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| 22:17.01 | sreich | yes, it should |
| 22:17.06 | mo2000 | hi |
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| 22:18.10 | mo2000 | troy: you remeber my question about "remote launcher"? |
| 22:19.19 | Torch | mo2000: i do ;-) |
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| 22:21.22 | mo2000 | Torch: do you know extensionproxy?... man says "KDE kicker panel extension proxy" running kicker panel extension outside of kicker itself... |
| 22:22.04 | Torch | mo2000: no idea, sorry. is that some kde3 thing? |
| 22:22.40 | mo2000 | Torch: /me too, when i start it with the path to a extension .desktop file nothing happens... cant find an sample |
| 22:24.09 | PasNox | bye all |
| 22:26.05 | mo2000 | Torch: mhhh give up or seach for a extension that is a proxy to a remote extension... or go away from debian and take kde4 |
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| 22:40.17 | _maniek_ | [gentoo] kde breaks sound. I use Fluxobx. my wife uses KDE. I have sound, until my wife logs into KDE. she doesn't have sound, and there is no sound at all even in my account. |
| 22:40.33 | _maniek_ | we use the same computer - to clarify. |
| 22:41.10 | _maniek_ | what could be the reason? |
| 22:42.26 | Mamarok | _maniek_: you use pulseaudio? |
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| 22:43.00 | _maniek_ | Mamarok: no. |
| 22:43.36 | Mamarok | _maniek_: which KDE? |
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| 22:44.12 | _maniek_ | Mamarok: 4.3.3 |
| 22:44.44 | Mamarok | hm, and you use the xine backend in phonon and have all the codecs installed? |
| 22:45.00 | tsb | Is it possible to remove the "change virtual desktop" animation? It is the most annoying thing I have ever witnessed |
| 22:45.32 | Mamarok | tsb: in the kwin settings, go to all effects and disable it |
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| 22:46.00 | tsb | Mamarok, "enable desktop effects" is checked off if that's what you mean? |
| 22:46.04 | Mamarok | that is, systemsettings -> Desktop |
| 22:46.25 | sreich | tsb: disable the associated one... |
| 22:46.28 | Mamarok | tsb: no, that would disable all effects |
| 22:46.34 | sreich | I think it's a combobox, actually.. |
| 22:46.48 | _maniek_ | Mamarok: xine yes, phonon yes. some codecs for sure becouse if I log into KDE (in my account) then I hear system sounds even though Kde control center tells me that sound cards are inactive. But in my wife's account there is no sound at all. and after loging out her account and logging in to my account then there is no sound at all |
| 22:47.05 | tsb | Mamarok, sreich but I mean, I am not using any desktop effects! this is just plain old 2d and some animated switch-effect is still haunting me |
| 22:47.19 | Mamarok | very strange, waht distribution do you use? |
| 22:48.05 | Mamarok | _maniek_: ^ |
| 22:48.24 | sreich | tsb: interesting...go to the desktop effects control panel, and select "no effect" for desktop switching.. |
| 22:48.37 | sreich | you may have to enable effects, then disable them |
| 22:48.45 | sreich | *curious to know if that fixes it* |
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| 22:49.41 | tsb | sreich, they are all on "no effect". I don't mean accelerated sliding ultra thingie, I mean the "#¤ arrows that animate when I switch desktops |
| 22:49.48 | heyyou500 | !list |
| 22:49.57 | heyyou500 | @find digital juice |
| 22:49.57 | sreich | oh.. |
| 22:50.02 | _maniek_ | Mamarok: gentoo |
| 22:50.02 | tsb | I mean what is that? why stop there, show a full-feature film for each desktop switch while you're at it |
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| 22:50.07 | Mamarok | heyyou500: beahve, please |
| 22:50.21 | tsb | sreich, sorry, I'm just annoyed and passionate. :) know if it is possible to remove? it is way too slow |
| 22:50.34 | sreich | tsb: think the pager has a setting for that |
| 22:50.43 | tsb | I'm pretty sure it was not there for 4.2, new as of 4.3 or something |
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| 22:51.20 | Mamarok | _maniek_: hm, I don't know Gentoo, but that sound problem is very strange, you should file a bug against Phonon and give your /etc/asound.conf |
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| 22:53.29 | _maniek_ | Mamarok: ok. thank you for suggestion, but do you mean bug that devices are reported in KDE as inactive, but they play a sound? |
| 22:54.11 | Mamarok | _maniek_: system sounds are not the problem I think , it's the sound in the applications |
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| 22:54.39 | Mamarok | _maniek_: how that, reported as inactive? |
| 22:54.51 | Mamarok | do you get phonon messages telling you that sound cards were disabled? |
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| 22:55.27 | Qu4Z | tsb: I actually found it relatively fast. Having said that, I don't switch virtual desktop that frequently. Only when I'm changing what I'm doing (switching from working to reading /. and chatting on IRC, for instance) |
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| 22:58.05 | tsb | Qu4Z, okay, I switch all the time, and having that animation suspended there for 2-3 seconds is really infuriating |
| 22:58.27 | tsb | it's like "hey look at me, I am kde i can do fluid transitions". design should not get in the way like that.. :) |
| 22:59.21 | Qu4Z | I do imagine. Although I swear it takes less than 2 seconds for me. It's really quite quick. I'd put it at sub 1s |
| 23:00.04 | Mamarok | tsb: 2-3 seconds? there must be something wrong with your graphic card, I never had that |
| 23:00.26 | Mamarok | Qu4Z: ditto for me, certainly never more than 1 sec |
| 23:00.44 | sreich | tsb: did you fix it...? |
| 23:01.10 | Qu4Z | Mamarok: That or he's exaggerating 'cause he hates it |
| 23:01.25 | tsb | sreich, no, it really takes 2 seconds, and it is a fluid motion, it's not jagged at all so it doesn't seem like anything is wrong |
| 23:01.35 | tsb | Qu4Z, really :) it does take 2 seconds |
| 23:01.44 | _maniek_ | Mamarok: when I log into KDE session, system message pops-up, that KDE found "following inactive interfaces. Should KDE switch them off permanently?". I say "No". Then, when I go to Control Center -> Multimedia I can see my two soundcards, but they are grey - inactive. But When I log-out the sessions then I can hear the KDE log-out music. This is in my account. In my wifes account behaviour of KDE is almost the same.The only difference is that |
| 23:01.47 | tsb | or almost 2 seconds anyway |
| 23:02.04 | sreich | tsb: what?? |
| 23:02.09 | phlux | Can I kill the KDE panel in KDE4? |
| 23:02.18 | phlux | I need to restart it without logging in/out |
| 23:02.20 | Mamarok | _maniek_: you probably have some configurations interfering, did you tweak alsa settings? |
| 23:02.23 | phlux | just the panel though |
| 23:02.40 | Mamarok | since phonon does these settings, if one interfers it can very well screw that up |
| 23:02.40 | sreich | phlux: killing plasma-desktop kills anything that plasma runs |
| 23:02.45 | sreich | e.g. panels, desktop |
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| 23:02.59 | tsb | is there a timer app in kde? i can't use krunner because it uses 99% of my cpu and never appears everytime I try to run it |
| 23:02.59 | phlux | so I have to log out and log back in to fix it? |
| 23:03.11 | sreich | tsb: ktimer iirc |
| 23:03.13 | _maniek_ | Mamarok: no. Only defaults. Only configuration tweaks is about the order of soundcards (I have two) and this is done in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf |
| 23:03.16 | sreich | phlux: no... |
| 23:03.16 | pinotree | tsb: ktiner |
| 23:03.21 | sreich | pinotree: hah! |
| 23:03.26 | pinotree | hoh! |
| 23:03.27 | Mamarok | tsb: I would say something is wrong with your installation, krunner taking up that much? |
| 23:03.31 | sreich | :) |
| 23:03.37 | sreich | phlux: I just told you... |
| 23:03.37 | pinotree | flips sreich's wovel |
| 23:03.48 | tsb | okay BRB guys, I'm gonna nuke my .kde4 dir and see what happens.. |
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| 23:04.03 | Mamarok | _maniek_: please file a bug and attach that file there, too, so they get as many information as possible |
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| 23:05.19 | sreich | has no idea what a wovel is... |
| 23:05.38 | MinceR | it's a flipped vowel |
| 23:05.41 | sreich | phlux: kquitapp plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop& |
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| 23:06.05 | Mamarok | _maniek_: try deleting your .asoundrc and the /etc/asound.conf files and try again |
| 23:06.26 | sreich | I see.. |
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| 23:06.35 | Mamarok | _maniek_: that might be the cause of your trouble, just restart KDE after erasing those files |
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| 23:07.26 | tsb | hrm.. what controls autostart of applications in kde, other than things in the ~/.kde4 autostart dir? |
| 23:07.48 | tsb | a lot of gnome-stuff autostarts, it's from things i set up there i guess |
| 23:07.58 | sreich | tsb: ah, nvm, thought there was a config for the pager wrt that, but I guess not.. |
| 23:08.09 | tsb | sreich, yeah I didn't find one either |
| 23:09.00 | tsb | .config, okay |
| 23:09.47 | tsb | that's.. I don't want .config/autostart to run, but obviously I should rather put it somewhere in .gnome2 rather.. |
| 23:10.14 | _maniek_ | Mamarok: Thank you for your wilingness to help. From what you say I assume that it might be gentoo specific bug becouse I do not have any custom .asoundrc and I do not have at all asound.conf file. The thing is that I know how to configure alsa and I do have sound from bouth soundcards in my evironment without KDE. All applications work. Problem starts when I log at least one time into KDE 4.3.3. Then everything is broken |
| 23:10.48 | Mamarok | _maniek_: you never installed pulseaudio? |
| 23:10.49 | tsb | hey sweet, after I nuked .kde4, that annoying transition-animation for desktop-switching is gone! |
| 23:10.57 | _maniek_ | Mamarok: never |
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| 23:11.09 | Mamarok | since Gentoo had it at some point, could have been the problem |
| 23:11.40 | Mamarok | _maniek_: well, then ask in #gentoo, the might know what is wrong |
| 23:11.57 | tsb | Any easy way to kde-ify ff3? that plugin i used to work doesn't work anymore it seems.. |
| 23:12.01 | Mamarok | the phonon guy just told me that it's likely not a phonon problem |
| 23:12.05 | _maniek_ | Mamarok: thank you for your advise |
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| 23:13.23 | Qu4Z | kde-ifying ff3 interests me too :-) |
| 23:13.34 | Mamarok | _maniek_: seems somebody set a mandatory useflag for pulseaudio in KDE compiles in Gentoo, that could be the problem |
| 23:16.14 | _maniek_ | Mamarok: I am checking. give me a sec |
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| 23:17.39 | tsb | http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/20888/kde-4-and-gnome-autostart-programs-conflict.html this is basically my problem |
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| 23:21.18 | tsb | brb |
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| 23:23.25 | _maniek_ | How do you know that? I do not have pulseaudio installed and if it would be a required dependency it would be pulled in during installation of the KDE |
| 23:23.35 | tsb | nice, "NotShowIn=KDE" fixed it. |
| 23:24.22 | Mamarok | _maniek_: I was just discussing that in another channel, and seems that there was a flag problem at some point |
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| 23:24.36 | Mamarok | _maniek_: anyway, did you try erasing those files and start KDE again? |
| 23:25.35 | _maniek_ | Mamarok: not yet, becouse I am in X now. besides, I try to find those files becouse I do not have them in locations you desrcibed. |
| 23:26.26 | _maniek_ | Mamarok: pulseaudio is good or bad in that situation? you think that this is something that can breake thigs, or this is something that can make my problems gone? |
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| 23:27.01 | tsb | I restored my ~/.kde4 dir, and now that animation when you switch desktops is back of course; I can't figure out how to disable it.. |
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| 23:27.32 | tsb | Sure it is under "desktop effects"? |
| 23:28.44 | sreich | _maniek_: break |
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| 23:33.06 | Mamarok | bedtime for me, gnite everybody |
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| 23:33.24 | sreich | night Mamarok |
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| 23:37.33 | tsb | nice, I just rm'ed kwin* in the config-dir, and it is gone! |
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| 23:44.05 | Qu4Z | Yay! |
| 23:44.05 | tsb | :=) |
| 23:44.33 | tsb | now to get better gtk integration.. I seem to remember some qt4-blog talking about how qt4 can draw qt4 widgets instead of gtk for gtk-apps? |
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| 23:47.40 | tsb | ah nice, "qt4" from gtk settings in appearance fixed it |
| 23:47.53 | Qu4Z | Yay :D |
| 23:48.12 | sreich | I don't know about "fixed it" |
| 23:48.17 | Qu4Z | I really need to build myself a Gentoo box at some point. I'm sick of Kubuntu :-/ I only installed it 'cause I needed a working install quickly |
| 23:48.19 | sreich | made it better, yeah. Still sucks, also yeah. |
| 23:48.20 | tsb | what more can I do to postpone school-work.. :) |
| 23:48.25 | tsb | sreich, well yes, much better |
| 23:48.47 | tsb | sreich, i wouldn't say sucks, it works well enough now at least compared to before |
| 23:49.06 | sreich | sucks compared to native kde applications |
| 23:49.33 | tsb | sreich, have you tried qtcurve? |
| 23:49.39 | tsb | (I haven't) |
| 23:50.32 | tsb | sreich, http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=17786 |
| 23:50.34 | cleary | qtcurve seems to be in a bad way in debian atm 0.68.1 |
| 23:50.48 | cleary | I get missing widgets all over the place |
| 23:51.16 | tsb | cleary, should it be better than using "qt4"? |
| 23:51.49 | cleary | tsb: what do you mean by qt4? |
| 23:52.17 | tsb | cleary, in appearance, I now use "use another style: qt4" |
| 23:52.35 | tsb | cleary, which looks descent. I haven't tried qtcurve so I don't know it it somehow looks better.. |
| 23:53.27 | cleary | tsb: ah, I had issues with that and iceweasel/firefox tabs |
| 23:53.58 | tsb | cleary, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7962 that is the firefox theme I used before, but it doesn't work for newer ff'es apparently.. |
| 23:54.07 | cleary | no, it's doing the same thing here at least |
| 23:54.24 | Qu4Z | Random question (slightly OT): Could someone point me towards the approximate system requirements of KDE4? |
| 23:54.35 | tsb | cleary, okay, I can't restart firefox, I have 170 tabs and a crappy router that kills my connection every time I start firefox with that many tabs :p |
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| 23:54.59 | Qu4Z | I'm trying to decide whether I should try update my laptop to KDE4, but it's... kinda oldish |
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| 23:55.19 | cleary | Qu4Z: have a look at minimum system requirements at http://sidux.com/module-News-display-sid-538.html |
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| 23:55.25 | cleary | for kde release |
| 23:55.30 | cleary | that was based on our testing |
| 23:55.56 | Qu4Z | Thanks ^^ |
| 23:56.38 | cleary | personally, I've used it on an amd athlon 1600+ (1.6GHz), 512Mb ram, radeon 9200 (with xorg radeon driver) |
| 23:56.54 | cleary | and it's adequate, with compositing |
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| 23:57.05 | Qu4Z | Cool ^^ I'll give it a go then :-) |
| 23:57.12 | tsb | another highly annoying thing is that apps like firefox insist on using gnome programs, but I guess there's no easy way to change that without making it the same in gnome |
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| 23:57.24 | CVirus | How is printing configured in kde4 ? |
| 23:57.41 | cleary | tsb: I've been begging for a decent qt/kde browser for years |
| 23:57.58 | cleary | when konq gets webkit support by default, I'll be a happy chappy |
| 23:58.12 | cleary | CVirus: use the cups web based print manager |
| 23:58.16 | cleary | 127.0.0.1 |
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| 23:58.25 | cleary | *127.0.0.1:631 |
| 23:58.52 | cleary | CVirus: the (excellent, imo) print manager that was in kde3 has not made it to kde4 |
| 23:58.59 | tsb | cleary, the problem is I *need* plugins.. firefox without plugins is no better than the rest in my view. |
| 23:59.04 | CVirus | cleary: aha |
| 23:59.16 | Qu4Z | Konq is lovely, except when it doesn't work :-/ |
| 23:59.41 | Qu4Z | Which is more frequently than I'd like |
| 23:59.50 | cleary | I currently bounce between chromium, opera, arora and iw/ff |
| 23:59.56 | CVirus | cleary: looks like too much hassle to configure a shared printer using the cups web based interface |
| 23:59.57 | cleary | I don't use plugins though |
