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| 00:16.11 | halakar | hey guys. Just upgraded to KDE 4.3...firefox appears to be owning my CPU. Any ideas? |
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| 00:17.21 | MTGap | Stop using firefox lol, firefox is awful on linux... |
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| 00:20.07 | halakar | What to use, then?! |
| 00:22.31 | Swapo | well switch to Windows to begin |
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| 00:23.27 | halakar | wtf |
| 00:26.11 | MTGap | halakar: Chromium, Opera, Konqueror, Firefox has been crappy for me, it sometimes never quits and continues to use cpu after I've closed it |
| 00:26.41 | halakar | Well, KDE 4.3.1 isn't officially "supported" by my current distro (Mandriva 2009.1) |
| 00:26.59 | halakar | I went ahead and slapped it on anyway, and so far no issues but firefox |
| 00:28.13 | MTGap | halakar: yeah most of the time the new packages work fine without problems. Firefox is most likely its own problem not because of kde. Are you sure you haven't updated it recently |
| 00:28.53 | halakar | damn, no sound in amarok either |
| 00:28.53 | halakar | fuq |
| 00:29.50 | Swapo | as i said before, switch to windows |
| 00:30.18 | Swapo | wmp rocks |
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| 00:32.56 | gizmobay | Can someone tell me how to change the mouse pointer in 4.2.4? |
| 00:33.19 | Swapo | windows 7, that is. And if you want you can install kde on top. |
| 00:33.50 | pinotree | gizmobay: system settings â keyboard & mouse â mouse â theme |
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| 00:34.13 | gizmobay | thanks, I must be blind today |
| 00:35.22 | gizmobay | Can I get a cursor with a highlighter? |
| 00:35.46 | pinotree | a cursor with highlighter? |
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| 00:38.49 | gizmobay | where the mouse pointer is a large yellow circle |
| 00:39.50 | gizmobay | like the one in this video |
| 00:39.53 | gizmobay | http://clipbucketdemo.com/video/b566327dca1d3e3/Issue-41 |
| 00:39.58 | halakar | How about the issue with Amarok not playing sound under KDE 4.3 ? Anyone having that? |
| 00:41.19 | Timslin | is KDE 4.3 buggy with compiz fusion? |
| 00:42.04 | halakar | Not really, I'm using it with CF right now |
| 00:42.10 | halakar | No issues |
| 00:42.13 | pinotree | Timslin: â #compiz-fusion |
| 00:42.15 | sir_lewk | KDE 4.3 uses Kwin4 by default for it's WM, which can do compositing as well |
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| 00:42.23 | sir_lewk | I'd personally suggest looking into using that |
| 00:42.33 | halakar | After the upgrade from 4.2 to 4.3, I noticed KDE's wm and CF were both active at the same time |
| 00:42.56 | halakar | Which caused a temporary problem, but i was able to get into my control panel and turn off 3D desktop effects, |
| 00:43.03 | pinotree | cannot happen |
| 00:43.06 | halakar | Logout, then log back in, then turn off KDE's compositing window manager, |
| 00:43.14 | halakar | Then log out again, then turn compiz fusion back on |
| 00:43.22 | halakar | away |
| 00:43.33 | pinotree | there can be at most one WM active, if another kicks in the former is quit |
| 00:44.00 | pinotree | most probably you had some non-wm part of compiz running, i guess |
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| 00:47.28 | Timslin | if it's not buggy with 4.3, how come everytime i enable CF all the bars on top of applications disappear. |
| 00:47.45 | pinotree | compiz crashes |
| 00:49.15 | Timslin | pinotree, so what do i do? |
| 00:49.31 | pinotree | ask for troubleshooting in #compiz-fusion |
| 00:50.06 | Timslin | pinotree, went round in circles for over an hour yesterday there, thought i'd ask here |
| 00:51.08 | pinotree | an hour doesn't sound that much; furthermore, we don't developer nor provide support for compiz |
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| 00:54.11 | Timslin | ok well i have the 4 desktop windows in the bar next to the K, how come that sometimes randomly changes to 1 window? |
| 00:54.25 | Sho_ | Timslin: If compiz crashes, it's a compiz bug - window managers aren't supposed to crash |
| 00:55.37 | Timslin | Sho_, not talking abotu CF talking about the pager and the 4 desktops. Why do they randomly change to 1 window? Have edited the settings many timeas |
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| 01:10.49 | derek_k | catalyst64: samba is usually started in the init sequence. /etc/init.d, or /etc/rc.d |
| 01:11.41 | catalyst64 | will check ty |
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| 01:44.43 | catalyst64 | derek_k: stopped & restarted samba but all options in gui still greyed out |
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| 01:50.20 | troy | waves ello - anyone awake on the long weekend schedule? |
| 01:53.52 | Sho_ | waves back at troy |
| 01:54.15 | troy | Sho_: feel like editing some websites? *grins* |
| 01:54.36 | troy | Sho_: I'm thinking I'll tackle the infamous kde.org/info for my next act :) |
| 01:54.39 | Sho_ | troy: in fact that's what I'm going right now ;) but what do you have in mind? |
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| 01:55.22 | troy | Sho_: that site provides some incredibly valuable information on aRTs and other core KDE technologies like dcop :) |
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| 01:55.54 | Sho_ | troy: yup, I pointed out the aRTs bit to you earlier actually :-) |
| 01:55.55 | troy | In fact, I'm impressed that it is so modern, it doesn't even mention corba! :) |
| 01:56.10 | troy | Sho_: it was already on my list of things to fix - but it is a bit funny |
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| 01:57.32 | troy | okay - it'll probably take me at least an hour or two to straighten it out (assuming I'm not just nuking the outdated stuff, but actually replacing it) |
| 01:58.23 | Sho_ | I'm pretty tired and definitely not up to my best form, but tell me if you need any text bits |
| 01:59.30 | troy | well, I'm not a developer, so I could use some feedback on writing a few of the blurbs |
| 01:59.57 | troy | for example, porting the dcop blurb to d-bus... I really have no idea what the difference is other than d-bus is more widely adopted |
| 02:00.29 | troy | it currently reads: DCOP is a client-to-client communications protocol intermediated by a server over the standard X11 ICE library. The protocol supports both message passing and remote procedure calls using an XML-RPC to DCOP "gateway". Bindings for C, C++ and Python, as well as experimental Java bindings, are available. |
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| 02:01.17 | troy | I don't know what to do with that - I would have just nuked it, personally... |
| 02:01.28 | Sho_ | troy: I think considering D-Bus is a shared technology, the D-Bus blurb actually shouldn't focus on the tech side so much but rather emphasize that KDE apps use it pervasively and what you can do with it |
| 02:01.47 | troy | Sho_: you know - you're totally right about that |
| 02:01.52 | Sho_ | troy: I mean, as a technology it's no longer a KDE feature bullet point - our high level of usage is, however |
| 02:02.08 | troy | Sho_: not only that, but the same could be said about a number of other things in that list |
| 02:02.51 | troy | I should just rewrite the whole page, split into apps, standards, and technologies or something like that |
| 02:03.15 | troy | where d-bus could be talked about as a standard that we readily employ |
| 02:03.56 | troy | shrugs |
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| 02:04.20 | troy | I hate maintaining websites - can I just svn remove * in www? that would save everyone a lot of time :P |
| 02:05.18 | troy | actually, I should split between applications and workspace as well on that page... |
| 02:06.08 | Sho_ | troy: One thing that definitely should be on that page is a short overview about Plasma - it's a framework rather than a bunch of fixed-function components as in past desktops; it allows implementing both traditional desktop interfaces and new approaches; it's expected to scale to new kinds of devices (mobile); it unifies the extensibility model of the desktop and panels; it improves resource efficiency by disconnecting data providers and visualizations to allow |
| 02:06.09 | Sho_ | sharing the former; it makes strong use of modern standards like SVG; support for foreign types of widgets (say, Google Gadgets) is pluggable. |
| 02:06.53 | Sho_ | Stuff like that. |
| 02:06.58 | troy | Sho_: right |
| 02:07.55 | troy | we should also talk strigi and nepomuk (in layman's terms), Phonon, GHNS, etc... |
| 02:08.13 | Sho_ | yep |
| 02:08.42 | troy | and I'll probably nuke the xmlgui stuff - which is interesting for developers, but not for most KDE users :) |
| 02:09.17 | troy | and is kparts really such a big draw these days now that koffice is using flake? |
| 02:09.50 | Sho_ | Phonon makes it easy for application developers accomplish common multimedia objectives with an API in the KDE/Qt style they're used to, and it's also a light-weight abstraction layer over pluggable backends allowing for portability across platforms and choice in backend on any given platform. |
| 02:10.20 | troy | Sho_: you sure you're not a writer? |
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| 02:11.43 | Sho_ | troy: Well, Flake and KParts are different things and used for somewhat different purposes ... that said KParts/KXMLGUI is somewhat crufty (a planned KDE4 revamp called LiveUI didn't materialize) and it's nothing other platforms don't have as well (though we tend to make much better use what we have there) |
| 02:12.01 | Sho_ | *of what we have |
| 02:12.08 | troy | Sho_: I'll just ignore it for now then |
| 02:12.42 | Sho_ | somehow I seem to dislike the word "of" tonight, I keep forgetting it in sentences :) |
| 02:13.28 | Sho_ | And no, not a writer, though I've blogged here and there in my native tongue (German) |
| 02:14.25 | word | Sho_: hmm, i know of your situation of which seems to be a problem of grand proportions of several magnitudes of something. ;) |
| 02:14.45 | troy | Sho_: I recall LiveUI discussions, now that you mention it - was it just deadline/manpower that scrapped it? |
| 02:14.50 | troy | heh |
| 02:16.28 | Sho_ | troy: pretty much, yeah ... it was a pretty big task to tackle, and there was lots of other more dire stuff going on at the time. Hamish Rodda was the one working on it mostly alone, and he ran out of steam or time I think. |
| 02:17.06 | Sho_ | troy: And considering that kind of stuff affects nigh on everyone, it's not the sort of thing you can go alone anyway ... the project as a whole just didn't have the attention to spare at the time I guess |
| 02:17.45 | troy | Sho_: and if someone wanted to implement it now, we'd have to have two parallel APIs, right? Binary compatibility and all that with the existing code? |
| 02:18.06 | troy | sort of like gtk and their mutliple toolbar apis? |
| 02:18.10 | Sho_ | troy: Yah, that'd be a mess of epic proportions, so we're stuck with it until KDE 5 |
| 02:18.57 | troy | that could be a while - I've heard no signs whatever from the trolls about breaking from qt 4.x |
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| 02:19.45 | Sho_ | troy: It's not just API even ... one of the things KXMLGUI does is enable you to merge UI definitions in XML across components (KParts), see e.g. the way a KPart loaded into Konqueror can extend its menus. There are various quirks in the merging stuff and one of the LiveUI goals was to fix those, which meant behavioral changes, and probably changes to the XML DTDs. |
| 02:20.41 | Sho_ | troy: Well, of course we could do 5.0 unrelated to a Qt 5.0, though |
| 02:20.54 | troy | true, but I think we'd have a user revolt on our hands if that started :) |
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| 02:21.07 | Sho_ | troy: dunno, depends on when we do it I guess :-) |
| 02:21.48 | troy | Sho_: I wonder if there'd be a way to update the kparts embedding in some sort of backwards compatible way... you know, sort of like what we're doing with the systray |
| 02:22.24 | troy | I mean, no one really likes xembed, but you can't nuke it entirely because all sorts of apps use it |
| 02:22.32 | troy | (wrt systray) |
| 02:23.10 | Sho_ | troy: Well ... for an app like Konversation, which needs to support older versions of KDE, the new tray means keeping two codepaths - it'd be pretty much the same with a change to KParts/KXMLGUI |
| 02:24.12 | troy | right - annoying I guess, unless KDE 4.x reaches like 4.20 or something and you eventually say "konvi requires KDE >= 4.4" or something when you release, right? |
| 02:24.19 | Sho_ | troy: The tray case you're thinking of is Plasma still supporting the old tray. Sure, that's relatively simple - you got lot of apps using the old tray, and you can make that work centrally in Plasma. But making apps use the new tray requires an app-per-app change, and if they want their tray to work in older KDEs or outside of KDE, it means two codepaths, |
| 02:24.19 | troy | I mean, python pulls that off all the time |
| 02:25.11 | troy | Sho_: I see what you mean |
| 02:26.22 | Sho_ | troy: Sure, we do keep bumpign requirements. Konversation 1.2 will support KDE 4.1 and Qt 4.4 and higher, because at the time we release that, that's what Debian's stable release will have, and openSUSE's stable release. But the Konversation after that will probably require KDE 4.3 and Qt 4.5. |
| 02:27.15 | troy | and while you try to keep all your users happy, they do have many fallbacks for irc programs if konvi doesn't work for them -- that can't be said about a lot of other apps |
| 02:27.35 | Sho_ | It's a long fall from Konvi ;-) |
| 02:28.01 | troy | I know - I'm using quassel due to a flaky internet connection - strongly dislike it :) |
| 02:28.44 | Sho_ | troy: You could use Konvi and a Bouncer |
| 02:29.10 | troy | I don't have a good host to set up the bouncer on - I'm borrowing jefferai's quassel core |
| 02:29.20 | Sho_ | ah |
| 02:29.30 | Sho_ | We need to smuggle you one on ktown |
| 02:29.32 | Sho_ | ;) |
| 02:29.37 | Sho_ | *onto |
| 02:30.05 | troy | I wouldn't mind so much, really, if I could go back to konvi :) (or fall back to irssi when I'm terminal bound) |
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| 02:30.36 | troy | actually, I don't know what happened to it, but I used to use BitchX on the terminal... |
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| 02:31.00 | Sho_ | troy: Of course, the only legitimate way to run irssi or BitchX is inside a Konsole terminal in Konversation |
| 02:31.06 | Sho_ | s/terminal/tab/ |
| 02:31.07 | troy | hahaha |
| 02:31.55 | troy | can you embed marble yet and do traceroutes on the ips reported in the whois information, and display graphically? |
| 02:32.22 | Sho_ | no, but not a bad idea :-) |
| 02:32.35 | troy | would be the first modern take I've seen on a nicklist in a while :P |
| 02:32.41 | Sho_ | We keep saying we're going to do video chat via aalib ;) |
| 02:33.08 | troy | sweet! I hope openprojects can keep up with the bandwidth :) |
| 02:33.13 | Sho_ | (some day I'm going to actually hack that up, it's not that difficult ;) |
| 02:33.13 | troy | s/openprojects/freenode/ |
| 02:33.23 | Sho_ | well, it'd be over DCC |
| 02:33.28 | troy | oh, okay |
| 02:33.47 | troy | no multipane teleconferencing via aalib in a regular channel? |
| 02:34.04 | Sho_ | maybe a couple of iterations down the road ;) |
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| 02:34.22 | Sho_ | There's actually an RFC for "DCC WHITEBOARD" floating around, collaborative drawing via IRC ;) |
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| 02:34.34 | ajavid | hello my good people of kde |
| 02:34.40 | troy | hola ajavid |
| 02:34.47 | Sho_ | hi ajavid |
| 02:34.57 | troy | Sho_: there's also ip over home pigeon -- doesn't make it a good idea :) |
| 02:35.00 | ajavid | I have tested kde 3.4.1 and it is good |
| 02:35.09 | troy | 3.4.1->4.3.1 :) |
| 02:35.10 | ajavid | I like it very much than 4.1 |
| 02:35.16 | Sho_ | troy: "IP over avian carriers", RFC 1149 if I remember correctly ;) |
| 02:35.16 | ajavid | yes 3.4.1 |
| 02:35.18 | ajavid | I mean 4.3.1 |
| 02:35.26 | ajavid | my fingers are going crossy eyed |
| 02:35.27 | troy | hahaha :) |
| 02:35.40 | Sho_ | troy: yep, http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html |
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| 02:35.52 | ajavid | question |
| 02:35.56 | troy | like I said, still doesn't make it a good idea :) |
| 02:36.06 | ajavid | Sho_, maybe you can shed light as you know the internals |
| 02:36.15 | Sho_ | ajavid: I can try :) |
| 02:36.26 | troy | wants Sho_'s autograph :) |
| 02:36.36 | troy | via aalib |
| 02:36.42 | ajavid | Sho_, I have started kde4 in a chroot, exported display:0, ran kwin --replace and it replaced my running kwin of debian lenny stable 3.5.10 |
| 02:36.45 | Sho_ | troy: Yep, digital signatures over DCC WHITEBOARD! :) |
| 02:36.47 | ajavid | Sho_, so far so good |
| 02:37.02 | ajavid | Sho_, I start systemsettings in chroot and I enable desktop effects and go crazy with them |
| 02:37.05 | ajavid | Sho_, so far so good |
| 02:37.16 | ajavid | Sho_, I get all the nice kde4 effects on my kde3 host system |
| 02:37.17 | ajavid | Sho_, so far so good |
| 02:37.22 | troy | Sho_: I have a touchscreen too, so even better |
| 02:37.25 | ajavid | Sho_, however... the problem begins here |
| 02:37.56 | ajavid | Sho_, any KDE4 app started will run just fine. ALL the KDE3/QT3 apps on the host are slow in drawing when resizing or moving |
| 02:38.08 | troy | understands that ajavid is running kde3 with kwin from kde4.... |
| 02:38.23 | troy | ajavid: ati video card? |
| 02:38.24 | ajavid | Sho_, it seems that kde4.3.1 kwin is not accelerating properly drawing the kde3 stuff |
| 02:38.44 | ajavid | sid-i386-chroot:// ajavid@ajavid-desktop/ 0.21 /home/ajavid 2 files using 975k |
| 02:38.44 | ajavid | $>glxinfo|grep renderer |
| 02:38.44 | ajavid | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL |
| 02:39.05 | troy | ati video card :/ |
| 02:39.18 | ajavid | sid-i386-chroot:// ajavid@ajavid-desktop/ 0.11 /home/ajavid 2 files using 975k |
| 02:39.18 | ajavid | $>lspci | grep -i vga |
| 02:39.18 | ajavid | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R580 [Radeon X1900 XT] (Primary) |
| 02:39.40 | troy | ajavid: I have similar card on my laptop - I needed to install the binary blob from ati before I got good performance in redrawing/scrolling/etc. |
| 02:39.56 | ajavid | troy, like I said, KDE4/QT4 apps re fine |
| 02:40.02 | Sho_ | ajavid: Recent versions of Qt 4 use an approach called "windowless widgets". In Qt 3, every widget actually was a window on the X server; with windowless widgets, there's only a top-level window, and Qt manages the widgets itself. I don't know for sure, but the windowed widgets might be more taxing on the whole compositing shebang. |
| 02:40.05 | troy | ajavid: the reason KDE 4 draws faster is that it's buffering before it goes to the screen |
| 02:40.20 | ajavid | its only the kde3 apps on my already running system which are only slow in drawing those two things, everything else is normal |
| 02:40.45 | troy | ajavid: what Sho_ said :) |
| 02:40.47 | Sho_ | ajavid: The chaps in #kwin would probably know better, e.g. lmurray who is one of the kwin compositor developers |
| 02:40.49 | ajavid | hmm |
| 02:41.07 | ajavid | Sho_, thank you for your input, that gigantic massive reply |
| 02:41.08 | ajavid | :) |
| 02:41.21 | ajavid | I'll be 50 by the time I get done reading that :) |
| 02:42.08 | Sho_ | Konversation is the only IRC client I know capable of correctly splitting overly long typed texts into multiple messages as needed. That knowledge inspires to write long lines ;) |
| 02:42.20 | ajavid | no no no |
| 02:42.22 | ajavid | watch this |
| 02:42.24 | troy | Sho_: like I said - are you sure you're not a writer? |
| 02:42.32 | troy | braces for flood |
| 02:43.18 | Sho_ | troy: I have never made a penny with writing anyhow :) |
| 02:43.36 | troy | Sho_: neither have I, simply because I never filled out the IRS form I needed in order for Ars Technica to pay me :P |
| 02:43.49 | Sho_ | heh :) |
| 02:44.21 | troy | I'm a Canadian! I don't need no stinkin' IRS files on me :P |
| 02:44.21 | Sho_ | Poor Ryan Paul has to write all the KDE/Qt articles now ;) |
| 02:44.32 | Sho_ | Every once in a while he throws in a GTK+ tutorial article to compensate all the KDE headlines |
| 02:44.32 | troy | Sho_: you know, he does a half-decent job, if he wasn't so busy... |
| 02:44.33 | Sho_ | :-) |
| 02:44.47 | troy | Sho_: well, when he writes KDE articles, he gets more bonuses |
| 02:45.04 | ajavid | This is going to be a really long line to test for Sho_ to show him that this can also do this. My client is irssi and I love this client. It pwnz Konversation in a heartbeat... do you think I'm kidding... Yeah ok maybe I am, but my opinion is right and your opiniong is wrong... so ok maybe this line is long enough now? I dunno, lets type some more garbage and see whats up.. so then I was eating chinese food today and I thought about people in china ... |
| 02:45.04 | troy | we got a $15 bonus anytime something hit slashdot, digg frontpage, etc... |
| 02:45.10 | ajavid | ... using KDE. That was a very odd and weird and strange thought. I think this line is long enough now, don't you? I wonder... lets test it out now and check it out. La de da, la dum de dum da, de do de do, la de da. I'm a Canadian! I don't need no stinkin' IRS files on me :P Sho_: you know, he does a half-decent job, if he wasn't so busy...Konversation is the only IRC client I know capable of correctly splitting overly long typed texts into ... |
| 02:45.16 | ajavid | ... multiple messages as needed. That knowledge inspires to write long lines ;) <- my client can also do it. |
| 02:45.27 | Sho_ | troy: Yeah, he's fairly open at least ... I actually pop onto Ars IRC now and then and give him some input and he tends to use that |
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| 02:45.49 | Sho_ | (In that Ars article on KDE's social desktop, you can spot me in his friends list, too ;) |
| 02:45.58 | troy | hahah, cool :) |
| 02:46.01 | Sho_ | ajavid: irssi does it wrong :-) |
| 02:46.06 | ajavid | you do it wrong! |
| 02:46.08 | ajavid | irssi does it right! |
| 02:46.10 | ajavid | :D |
| 02:46.24 | troy | ajavid: Sho_ writes konversation, of course he'll say irssi does it wrong :P |
| 02:46.29 | ajavid | i know |
| 02:46.32 | ajavid | I'm teasing him :) |
| 02:47.00 | Sho_ | ajavid: First off, irssi doesn't do it by itself, but there's a popular Perl script to do it. That Perl script however counts characters, not bytes. But with an encoding like Utf-8 (or various others), a single character can have one or *multiple* bytes, and the limit specified by the IRC protocol is in *bytes*. |
| 02:47.24 | ajavid | yeh yeh yeh mr. technical programmer guy :) |
| 02:47.40 | Sho_ | ajavid: So the wrapping algorithm needs to look at the number of bytes text actually encodes to to make correct decisions about where to wrap. |
| 02:47.53 | ajavid | yes you're right |
| 02:48.06 | troy | Sho_: I didn't know irssi depended on perl... |
| 02:48.20 | ajavid | troy, like a heroin addict on heroin |
| 02:48.31 | ajavid | yup |
| 02:48.31 | troy | I knew that ksirc did, at least originally |
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| 02:48.45 | ajavid | so then |
| 02:48.57 | Sho_ | troy: Well, with KSirc, the core of that - namely, sirc - was actually written in Perl. |
| 02:49.09 | ajavid | $>ffmpeg -f video4linux2 -s 320x240 -r 5 -i /dev/video0 -f m4v out.m4v |
| 02:49.21 | ajavid | smplayer out.m4v |
| 02:49.22 | Sho_ | troy: irssi doesn't depend on Perl per se, but it supports scripts written in Perl, and the message wrapping script commonly in use is in Perl. |
| 02:49.25 | ajavid | I can see my ugly butt |
| 02:49.29 | ajavid | so far so good |
| 02:49.50 | ajavid | kopete in kde3 or kde4, either, will not show /dev/video0 in the video devices drop down list |
| 02:49.54 | Sho_ | troy: Btw, that Ryan gets more bonuses for KDE articles is a tasty bit of (new to me) info .. :) |
| 02:49.54 | ajavid | there is nothing there |
| 02:50.04 | Sho_ | troy: What's the background on that? |
| 02:50.09 | ajavid | guy |
| 02:50.12 | ajavid | s |
| 02:50.29 | troy | Sho_: well, the bonuses are based on how popular the article is - and the KDE articles tend to be more popular, thus earn more bonuses |
| 02:50.40 | Sho_ | troy: ah |
| 02:50.48 | Sho_ | troy: Right, more trolls on KDE articles ;) |
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| 02:51.03 | troy | Sho_: more links from slashdot to ars; more frontpage diggs, etc.. |
| 02:52.08 | troy | I was earning that bonus on half of my articles - which was way higher than most of their other author's stats... |
| 02:52.19 | troy | and now Ryan's earning it :) |
| 02:53.00 | Sho_ | Why did the relationship end, anyway? |
| 02:53.26 | troy | I was too busy - I stopped writing articles (and most of my other KDE duties) to focus on my undergrad thesis |
| 02:53.36 | troy | in theory, I still work for them |
| 02:53.45 | troy | in practice, I haven't written an article in over a year |
| 02:54.12 | Sho_ | ah |
| 02:54.29 | Sho_ | troy: I sometimes dream of writing a Siracusa-style KDE review |
| 02:54.50 | troy | Sho_: do whatever you want :) I'll publish it on the dot, if I can get away with it :P |
| 02:55.17 | Sho_ | Hah, Siracusa's 10.6 review had 23 pages, not sure the Dot will take that :) |
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| 02:55.58 | Etna | hi, does anybody know how to change the minimum duration for the KDE wallpaper slideshow? |
| 02:56.00 | troy | Sho_: why not :) |
| 02:56.17 | Etna | currently, the min duration is 1min: is there any way to reduce it to only 5 seconds? |
| 02:56.59 | Sho_ | Etna: I'd say check if the config file really saves it in minutes or whether it uses seconds. If it uses seconds, and the developers didn't specify a minimum value of 60, you might be able to get it lower that way. |
| 02:57.01 | troy | that depends on whether it only accepts integers, or if floats work -- you might be able to manually edit the config file and insert .1 minute |
| 02:57.27 | Etna | urm...where is the config file located? im new to Linux, so i need some time to get used to the directories |
| 02:57.50 | Sho_ | $HOME/.kde/share/config ... and I can't say I know the specific filename |
| 02:57.51 | troy | I'm not sure - somewhere in ~/.kde/share/config I'm assuming |
| 02:58.00 | Sho_ | Probably something starting with "plasma" |
| 02:58.02 | troy | Sho_: get out of my head! :P |
| 02:58.09 | Etna | ok, let me go see... |
| 02:58.19 | Sho_ | hehe, we're pretty redundant right now yeah .) |
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| 02:58.59 | Etna | there are 2 plasma config files: plasma-appletsrc and plasmarc |
| 02:59.27 | troy | alright - going afk -- thanks for the help with some texts before, Sho_... I'll roll some of your lines into the final product :) |
| 02:59.37 | troy | Etna: probably the latter |
| 02:59.39 | Sho_ | troy: ok :) |
| 02:59.59 | Sho_ | probably the former, actually |
| 03:00.18 | Sho_ | the background slideshow is a property of the containment plasmoid, which would be in appletsrc I think |
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| 03:01.08 | Etna | ok, i found this line: slidetimer=60 |
| 03:01.17 | Sho_ | looks promising |
| 03:01.31 | Etna | i'll change it to 5 and see what we can get |
| 03:01.54 | Sho_ | Etna: Alt+F2, (the following will kill your desktop and panels:) "kquitapp plasma" ... then modify the file, then Alt+F2 again, then "plasma" |
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| 03:03.00 | Etna | Sho_: can i run init 1 and make the changes instead, then restart X? |
| 03:03.10 | Sho_ | Etna: yep, sure |
| 03:03.58 | Etna | this way, i don't have to kill plasma |
| 03:03.58 | Etna | or run kquitapp plasma. |
| 03:03.58 | Sho_ | Etna: well, kquitapp qutis it properly rather than kill it, so it should be save |
| 03:03.58 | Sho_ | but whatever you're more comfortable with :) |
| 03:03.58 | Etna | hmmm ok. |
| 03:03.58 | Sho_ | s/qutis/quits/ |
| 03:04.15 | Sho_ | (kquitapp contacts a KDE application via D-Bus and asks it to quit) |
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| 03:05.46 | Etna | ok, im going to kill the session, brb. |
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| 03:10.08 | Etna | IT WORKS!! ^^ |
| 03:10.54 | Etna | now has her wallpaper changing every 5 seconds. ^^ |
| 03:11.24 | Sho_ | grats :) |
| 03:11.47 | Sho_ | now change it to 1/24 of a second and you have a video player |
| 03:11.57 | Etna | dowan. :p |
| 03:12.01 | lmurray | Haha |
| 03:12.14 | Sho_ | dowan? |
| 03:12.27 | Etna | as in "don't want" |
| 03:12.52 | Etna | 'dowan' is my personal shorthand for "don't want" |
| 03:13.34 | Etna | and besides, i don't have that many wallpapers to change in 1/24 of a second :P |
| 03:13.37 | Sho_ | ah |
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| 03:14.01 | Sho_ | out of curiosity, how come you have enough wallpapers to change every 5s? ;) |
| 03:14.37 | Etna | not really enough wallpapers to change every 5 seconds, but i have been spoilled by Windows 7's and Os X's 5 sec wallpaper change :p |
| 03:15.08 | Etna | it's boring to stare at a static desktop, don't you think so? ;) |
| 03:15.35 | Sho_ | I don't see my desktop most of the time ;) |
| 03:15.55 | Etna | i only have 1 -3 windows on the desktop most of the time, so i see a huge portion of the empty desktop |
| 03:16.05 | Sho_ | I work with maximized windows a lot |
| 03:16.12 | Sho_ | my screen's not that big :) |
| 03:16.36 | Etna | mine is a 19" BenQ. average size for most people today, i guess |
| 03:17.00 | Sho_ | 19" here, too, actually |
| 03:17.04 | Sho_ | at 1280x960 |
| 03:17.30 | Etna | the native res is not very fantastic though: 1280 x 1024 |
| 03:17.50 | Etna | plus, i don't like maximized windows :p |
| 03:17.57 | Etna | they spoil my productivity :p |
| 03:18.17 | Sho_ | Where your productivity is measured by how many wallpapers you see in a minute? ;) |
| 03:18.25 | Sho_ | ducks :) |
| 03:18.34 | Etna | nope, but by how many windows i can squeeze in a desktop :p |
| 03:18.47 | Sho_ | hehe |
| 03:18.55 | Etna | i can have up to 6 open windows at once, so toggling between them is fast ;) |
| 03:19.03 | Sho_ | well, I either write code or I do graphics, both call for maximized windows most of the time :) |
| 03:19.04 | Etna | the beauty of non-maximized windows :p |
| 03:19.29 | Etna | im a journalist, so technically i should be maximizing my word processor, but meh |
| 03:20.01 | Etna | i guess it's a habit. ;) |
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| 03:20.06 | Sho_ | Depends. If you're a newspaper journalist, I guess you can get away with newspaper column-wide word processors ;) |
| 03:20.32 | Etna | actually, im interning at a magazine ;) |
| 03:20.55 | Etna | so yeah, we dont have those tiny columns you see in the papers ;) |
| 03:21.04 | Sho_ | hehe :) |
| 03:21.07 | Sho_ | what sort of mag? |
| 03:21.37 | Etna | Tech Channel. it's a new local publication in my country. Has an online and print version. |
| 03:22.04 | Etna | the first issue is not even out yet, so yeah :p |
| 03:22.11 | Sho_ | ah |
| 03:22.12 | Etna | they dropped PC Magazine for this :p |
| 03:22.35 | Etna | i would have prefered PC Mag though :( |
| 03:22.46 | ajavid | alright |
| 03:22.49 | ajavid | word |
| 03:22.52 | Sho_ | You're in Singapore? |
| 03:22.59 | Etna | yep, how did you guess? |
| 03:23.11 | Sho_ | oh, just /whois Etna |
| 03:23.15 | Sho_ | your hostmask ends in .sg |
| 03:23.17 | Etna | heh ;) |
| 03:23.18 | ajavid | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "singapore" |
| 03:23.21 | ajavid | seriously man |
| 03:23.36 | ajavid | lol, I was here said, word, and then went to go install a package and mistakenly typed singapore |
| 03:23.39 | ajavid | lol |
| 03:23.41 | ajavid | omg that was hilarious |
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| 03:23.54 | Etna | it's normal ;) |
| 03:24.35 | Etna | during my semester last year, i was writing a story on Windows 7 and at that time, i was also in my 4th month of experimenting with Linux |
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| 03:25.20 | Etna | so for some unexplained reason, all my 'Windows 7' was replaced by Fedora 10, and i didnt realize it until i was about to print the article out for submission |
| 03:25.28 | Sho_ | I started playing with it back in '99 and made it my primary OS in 2002 |
| 03:26.06 | Sho_ | Then became a KDE dev in '04 :) |
| 03:26.06 | Etna | i have been playing with Linux since 2002, but only now i feel slightly comfortable using it as my primary |
| 03:26.33 | Etna | well, you're a coder and programmer, im a reporter. Different trades. ;) |
| 03:26.51 | Etna | my biggest hurdle to Linux was, and still is, hardware drivers |
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| 03:26.55 | Sho_ | yeah, though actually my real job is computer graphics |
| 03:27.10 | Sho_ | I've always been a tech person for sure, but the coding came relatively late :) |
| 03:27.24 | Etna | WiFi is still a pain in Linux, have regressed myself back to ethernet |
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| 03:27.44 | Sho_ | My iBook's WLAN started working issue-free a couple of years back |
| 03:28.33 | Etna | my Linksys WUSBV4 and D-Link DWA-110 never works properly in Fedora and Debian. |
| 03:28.55 | Etna | it's also almost unusable in Mandriva. |
| 03:29.08 | Etna | only Ubuntu and OpenSUSE can use those 2 WiFi adaptors without issue |
| 03:29.23 | Etna | that's why Ubuntu and OpenSUSE are my 'last resort' distros |
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| 03:29.33 | Etna | currently using Fedora 10 on ethernet |
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| 03:29.45 | Sho_ | I've used Gentoo for the last seven years, but actually switched to Fedora (11) last week |
| 03:29.53 | Etna | wah Gentoo o. |
| 03:30.07 | Etna | that is one distro i'll never use :p |
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| 03:31.08 | Etna | and the pain about Linux is, when i go shopping for PC upgrades, i have to do a lot of homework to ensure that the hardware i want is supported |
| 03:31.20 | Etna | currently, i know that most ethernet controllers work in Linux |
| 03:31.25 | Sho_ | Gentoo is a pretty nice distro, actually. |
| 03:31.53 | Etna | Gentoo is too advanced for me, methinks. Somewhere along the line of ArchLinux. |
| 03:31.56 | DexterTheDragon | how can I disable the "scroll on desktop switches desktops" in 4.2? |
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| 03:32.52 | Etna | ok, i;m going to grab a bite and then take a nap (i have a one week off ;p ) |
| 03:32.55 | Sho_ | Etna: Hm well, the cool thing that Gentoo has really nice documentation, so while it is advanced, it also manages to get you to that level - that's actually why Gentoo made me stick with Linux, because it taught me how the system works so I could solve problems etc. |
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| 03:33.11 | Sho_ | Etna: And once it's up and running, the toolset is actually pretty convenient |
| 03:33.34 | Sho_ | bon appetit :) |
| 03:33.52 | Etna | Sho_: i cannot commit myself to that level yet: now my focus is trying to understand the most popular distros first, namely Ubuntu, Fedora, Linux Mint, Mandriva and OpenSUSE |
| 03:34.18 | Etna | (OpenSUSE is my fav btw: i find it the most user friendly distro with the best interop with Windows ;) ) |
| 03:34.23 | Sho_ | Etna: Debian is pretty popular, too :-) |
| 03:34.45 | Etna | plus OpenSUSE, methinks, has benefitted somehow from the agreement with Windows. |
| 03:34.49 | Etna | *Microsoft |
| 03:34.55 | Sho_ | openSUSE is alright, but I find the KDE upgrades too painful to do |
| 03:35.03 | Etna | *as in, the agreement between Novell and Microsoft |
| 03:35.10 | Sho_ | Benefitted how? |
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| 03:35.44 | Etna | interop between Novell SuSE and Windows is one of the best? |
| 03:35.51 | Guest83869 | hey guys, I just loaded up KDE (I used to use gnome, but v4.3 looks pretty sweet) - I'm having a little trouble with kmail |
| 03:36.16 | Guest83869 | basically, I need kmail to show messages in threads...I was wondering if I could get some help |
| 03:36.24 | Sho_ | Etna: Well, the Novell/MS interop agreements mostly focus on data center stuff like virtualization |
| 03:36.26 | Guest83869 | (view>collapse all threads) doesn't work |
| 03:36.55 | Etna | which benefits the corporate user, and in time, will trickle down to end users. ;) |
| 03:37.09 | Sho_ | Etna: It's not really end-user stuff |
| 03:37.34 | Etna | nopee, but many end-users do virtualize Linux when they want to get their hands wet with it |
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| 03:37.55 | Etna | plus Microsoft contributed 3 drivers for Linux on the Hyper-V platform. ;) |
| 03:37.58 | Guest83869 | Sho_, Etna, anyone? |
| 03:38.18 | Sho_ | Etna: They contributed them to avoid a lawsuit |
| 03:38.35 | Sho_ | (because they previously published them in violation of the GPL) |
| 03:39.09 | Sho_ | And the interop things that matter to end-users, like Samba/CIFS, are actually developed more at IBM :) |
| 03:39.21 | Etna | Sho_: correct, but now that the drivers are considered for inclusion upstream, it wont take long for the open source community to modify and retool the drivers for use on home systems ;) |
| 03:39.58 | Guest83869 | ....anyone? |
| 03:40.04 | Etna | but yeah, let's just say that Microsoft is starting to accept Linux and open source |
| 03:40.10 | Sho_ | Guest83869: sorry, I don't use KMail |
| 03:40.14 | Etna | Guest: hold on a second, im checking my kmail |
| 03:40.14 | Sho_ | Guest83869: #kontact might help |
| 03:40.29 | Sho_ | Guest83869: I'm also told that the kontact/kmail mailing list provides strong user support |
| 03:40.45 | Guest83869 | Sho_: ok, thanks |
| 03:40.50 | Sho_ | however, last time I tried KMail threading just worked |
| 03:40.59 | Sho_ | I don't remember having to do anything special |
| 03:41.12 | Etna | ok, start up KMail, and look at the 5 icons next to the search bar |
| 03:41.42 | Etna | there is an icon that looks like a grid. select it |
| 03:42.19 | Etna | you can then select how you want the mail to be displayed, and threaded views are in that list |
| 03:42.32 | DexterTheDragon | Guest83869: there's a button right of the search that you can select how the message list shows |
| 03:42.42 | Guest83869 | Etna, DexterTheDragon, awesome |
| 03:42.52 | Guest83869 | thanks all, I appreciate it |
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| 03:43.26 | Etna | right, now time for lunch ;) |
| 03:43.36 | ajavid-konversat | hello |
| 03:43.36 | Etna | gonna cook myself some good ol instant noodles ;) |
| 03:44.14 | Sho_ | gets hungry too |
| 03:44.15 | Etna | Sho_: was fun talking to you ;) |
| 03:44.20 | Sho_ | Etna: likewise :) |
| 03:44.40 | ajavid-konversat | Sho_: boing boing |
| 03:44.48 | ajavid-konversat | [03:44] <ajavid-konversat> Sho_: boing boing |
| 03:44.55 | ajavid-konversat | my nickname is truncated |
| 03:45.58 | Sho_ | ajavid-konversat: because freenode has a maximum nickname length of 16 :) |
| 03:46.07 | ajavid-konversat | oh |
| 03:46.14 | ajavid-konversat | well I'll be damned |
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| 03:51.00 | ajavid-konversat | eh |
| 03:51.14 | ajavid-konversat | I went throuh the whole config dialog box and went through everything |
| 03:51.21 | ajavid-konversat | its really nice and very well done |
| 03:51.27 | ajavid-konversat | Requests: |
| 03:52.04 | ajavid-konversat | 1) Please add irc/text themeing ability (right aligned nicks etc. chaning raw irc messages for make themes etc.) |
| 03:52.54 | ajavid-konversat | 2) keybindings for switching tabs like irssi if possible, like 1-0, q-p, a-l, z-m |
| 03:53.05 | ajavid-konversat | like alt+n |
| 03:53.40 | ajavid-konversat | the urlcatcher is very nice |
| 03:53.58 | ajavid-konversat | however it is picking up or showing redundant entries. It shows Debian IRC 6 times |
| 03:54.06 | ajavid-konversat | just Debian in one column, IRC in the other column |
| 03:54.48 | ajavid-konversat | I supose its not sorting rightly, and I can't find an optoin to sort either column in the url catcher |
| 03:55.41 | Sho_ | The "right-aligned nicks" bit is coming - and btw, you're in the wrong channel :) |
| 03:55.46 | Sho_ | #konversation would be better |
| 03:55.47 | ajavid | oh |
| 03:55.50 | ajavid | ok |
| 03:55.57 | ajavid | but I already talked here |
| 03:56.00 | ajavid | oops wrong client |
| 03:56.09 | Sho_ | And there actually is Alt+n for switching tabs |
| 03:56.26 | ajavid | like I said, for a lot of them |
| 03:56.39 | ajavid | there is only alt+1-alt+0 so far in the shortcuts confog |
| 03:57.00 | ajavid | in irssi I have mapped 1-0, q-p, a-l, z-m |
| 03:57.05 | ajavid | to switch windows |
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| 03:58.38 | ajavid | but anyway, I doubt anything can tear me away from irssi :) |
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| 03:59.55 | ByteEnable | Where does kmail 4.3 save custom themes ? |
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| 04:49.57 | elcapri | hi |
| 04:50.07 | elcapri | i need some help |
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| 06:03.08 | navetz | guys i have 3 packages that are blocked for upgrade |
| 06:03.14 | navetz | but i want them upgraded and I dont know how |
| 06:03.18 | navetz | or why they are blocked |
| 06:03.25 | navetz | note: i am trying to upgrade pidgin |
| 06:03.30 | navetz | in kubuntu |
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| 06:25.12 | pembo13 | is Umbrello still under active development? |
| 06:26.31 | szal | navetz: ask in #kubuntu, this is not the place for distro-related questions |
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| 07:10.21 | sjuxax | Hello. All of my Qt apps have huge fonts, it's like they're running in the wrong DPI. GTK and other apps are fine. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 07:11.28 | ttf | how big is the chance I run into problems with my $HOME/.kde configuration if I switch between running debians 4.3 and svn snapshots using the same $HOME/.kde |
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| 07:12.43 | ttf | my idea is to build latest kde myself from svn every week or so - but if facing severe regression switching back to debian unstable/experimental packages (but using the same $HOME/.kde configuration) |
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| 07:40.01 | giso | Hi there, I just upgraded to kde4, but now I don't have a taskbar. It's unclear to me how I'm able to enable it. |
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| 07:45.23 | cb400f | giso: assuming your installation isn't broken, which it sounds like it it.. right click desktop -> add panel |
| 07:45.56 | cb400f | .. if you do have a panel, and only lack a taskbar widget *in* the panel.. right click desktop -> add widget -> drag taskbar to panel |
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| 07:49.43 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
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| 08:15.37 | jekkt | hi |
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| 08:17.18 | jekkt | its possible with kde 4.2.4 to make my shell , bash , transparent? |
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| 08:18.44 | Moult | jekkt: sure. with compositing |
| 08:19.30 | Moult | jekkt: Settings -> Edit Profile -> Appearance tab -> Edit -> Background transparency. (in konsole) |
| 08:20.07 | jekkt | i see thx very much |
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| 09:12.52 | PhrkOnLsh | how does the Weather desktop wallpaper work? I can't figure it out as its just showing the Air wallpaper |
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| 09:28.40 | wm4 | how can I disable _all_ animations, blending effects, etc.? |
| 09:29.55 | wm4 | I especially want to get rid of that one, that shows some dleaxed blending when you hover the mouse cursor over file entries on the file chooser |
| 09:30.15 | wm4 | in KDE4 |
| 09:30.19 | wm4 | also, is KDE3 still maintained? |
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| 09:38.47 | sxe | wm4: alt + shift + F12 |
| 09:38.56 | sxe | kde3 is not maintained anymore i think |
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| 09:39.36 | wm4 | sxe: I'm not using KDE's WM (or anything from KDE that catches global key shortcuts), what does alt+shift+F12 do? |
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| 09:42.27 | sxe | is disables composit features.. |
| 09:42.34 | sxe | you can do that in settingsmanager too |
| 09:42.44 | wm4 | I'm not using a compositing window manager |
| 09:43.15 | sxe | is you taskbar transparrent? |
| 09:43.24 | wm4 | no |
| 09:43.28 | sxe | hm ok |
| 09:43.52 | sxe | i don't know how you get bleeding effect if anything is disabled.. :| |
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| 10:01.34 | bogdan_ | I am using KDE4.3.1 |
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| 10:53.39 | william | what are activities for? |
| 10:54.48 | Guest23656 | can I have different plasma widgets on each of may desktop pages |
| 10:54.55 | Guest23656 | is that what activities is for? |
| 10:54.59 | annma | on each activities, yes |
| 10:55.02 | annma | yes |
| 10:55.22 | Guest23656 | interesting |
| 10:55.37 | Guest23656 | why does kde do it this way instead of by desktop pager? |
| 10:55.43 | Guest23656 | is it for portability? |
| 10:56.35 | annma | by desktop pager? |
| 10:56.46 | Guest23656 | on my desktop I have 3 project pages for work, one PIM page, a Multi Media page, an Admin page |
| 10:57.10 | annma | page: you mean activity? or virtual desktop? |
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| 10:57.26 | Guest23656 | yes, virtual desktop |
| 10:57.37 | Guest23656 | sorry, I don't have all the correct terminology yet |
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| 10:58.22 | Guest23656 | let me start again... I was wondering if it is possible to have different plasma widgets on each virtual desktop |
| 10:58.26 | andip | Guest23656: afaik you can't have different widgets on different virtual dekstops, but you can have them on different "activities" |
| 10:58.33 | Guest23656 | I use my virtual desktops for activities |
| 10:58.46 | annma | if you have KDE 4.3 you can set one activity per virtual desktop |
| 10:58.56 | Guest23656 | oh nice, thank you annma |
| 10:58.57 | Jucato | different activities = different widgets. if you have different activity per virtual desktop, then you have different widgets per desktop |
| 10:58.59 | annma | and thus yes, you can have different widgets on each of them |
| 10:58.59 | Guest23656 | that is what I needed |
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| 10:59.18 | Guest23656 | that is cool |
| 10:59.33 | Guest23656 | can I link the same activity to multiple virtual desktops |
| 11:00.06 | andip | hmm, so you can have different widgets on different virtual desktops, but you can't have different background-pics? |
| 11:00.29 | Jucato | different activities = different backgrounds. if you have different activity per virtual desktop, then you have different backgrounds per desktop |
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| 11:00.36 | Guest23656 | to manage activities to I add the activity bar plasma widget? |
| 11:00.53 | Jucato | if you don't want to zoom out/in or use keyboard shortcuts, yes |
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| 11:01.48 | Guest23656 | hmm, so how do I create a new activity? |
| 11:03.07 | Jucato | zoom out (from the cashew or the keyboard shortcut) then add activity or just use a keyboard shortcut to add an activity. but for your goal, zoom out first, then click on Configure Plasma and check the option to assign an activity to each desktop |
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| 11:05.14 | andip | Jucato: well, i have 4 virtual desktops, but whenever i change the background on one of them, all other 3 are changed. someone in here told me last week that's how it's supposed to be? |
| 11:05.56 | Jucato | yes, that's the normal setup. you have to assign a different (Plasma) activity to each virtual desktop to get that effect (see instructions above) |
| 11:05.58 | andip | i'm getting confused as to what's correct |
| 11:06.27 | Jucato | both are correct. he/she probably just didn't explain further |
| 11:06.33 | jaguar_ | any help getting error "There was an error loading the module Dolphin View. |
| 11:06.35 | jaguar_ | The diagnostics is: |
| 11:06.36 | jaguar_ | Cannot load library /usr/lib/kde4/dolphinpart.so: (/usr/lib/libsopranoclient.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZNK7Soprano12LiteralValue8languageEv) |
| 11:06.43 | Guest23656 | yes, the activities concept is a tad difficult to grasp since we already have virtual desktops |
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| 11:06.55 | Guest23656 | it's kinda a duplication of functionality |
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| 11:07.53 | Guest23656 | imo it should be possible to configure plasma activities via the virtual desktop kde pager |
| 11:08.14 | Jucato | that may or may not happen. Plasma-KWin intergration is still improving |
| 11:08.29 | Guest23656 | IC |
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| 11:10.33 | Guest23656 | Yes, it would make sence to manage plasma widgets like windows. IE. with options like 'To Desktop -> All desktops' set by default. |
| 11:11.08 | Guest23656 | and even options like 'Advanced -> fullscreen' |
| 11:11.39 | Jucato | they are *not* windows |
| 11:11.39 | Guest23656 | you could mirror the window functionality but for widgets within the plasma desktop |
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| 11:11.56 | Guest23656 | I understand they are *not* windows but they have many similarities |
| 11:11.57 | Jucato | run them in a plasmoidviewer. then you can treat them like windows. but they are not windows. |
| 11:12.10 | Guest23656 | Jucato, I didn't not say they were |
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| 11:13.10 | Guest23656 | but options to set a plasmoid to display on all 'virtual desktops' or just a specific 'virtual desktop' would remove the need for plasma activities |
| 11:14.08 | Guest23656 | does that make sence? |
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| 11:15.33 | andip | Jucato: so if i zoom out, press the "diff activities for each desktop", and configure one background for each of the 4 desktops/activities/whatever that pops up. zoom back in again and press ctrl+f2, i'll have a different background than "ctrl+f3" has? (ctrl+f* changes virtual desktop) |
| 11:15.47 | Guest23656 | when you right click on a window, the first option you see is 'To Desktop'. The same concept could be applied to plasma. It should also be possible to select any combination of virtual desktops to display the plasma widget on |
| 11:15.48 | Jucato | andip: yes |
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| 11:16.43 | Guest23656 | Jucato, does the functionality I describe make sence? to me it seems obvious and would remove the need for these confusing 'desktop activities' completely |
| 11:17.14 | Guest23656 | I don't see the point of desktop activities when we already have virtual desktops |
| 11:17.15 | Jucato | no |
| 11:17.25 | Jucato | because they are not the reason why there are activities |
| 11:17.40 | Guest23656 | ic |
| 11:17.49 | Guest23656 | what are desktop activies for then? |
| 11:18.27 | Jucato | because Plasma is not only limited to a "KDE on a desktop computer running on Linux" setup |
| 11:18.39 | Guest23656 | Jucato... now we are getting somewhere |
| 11:18.43 | Jucato | Plasma can be used on Windows (no KWin, no virtual desktops) |
| 11:18.57 | Jucato | Plasma can be used on netbooks, mobile devices, etc |
| 11:20.01 | Jucato | seen Android? or the new Maemo/N900? those are using "activities" too (activities are independent of windows/apps running, unlike if you stick to a "virtual desktop" solution only) |
| 11:20.42 | Guest23656 | I appreciate that. but under linux that does happen to support virtual desktops there should be integration of the two |
| 11:20.42 | Jucato | [19:09] <Jucato> that may or may not happen. Plasma-KWin intergration is still improving |
| 11:20.49 | Guest23656 | there should be a separate desktop activity on each virtual desktop |
| 11:21.10 | Guest23656 | with options to display the same plasma widget on any number of virtual desktops |
| 11:21.24 | mgraesslin | Guest23656: wait for 4.4 or 4.5 - there will be changes |
| 11:21.29 | Guest23656 | ok |
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| 11:24.14 | andip | thanks Jucato, i see it now. thought i tried this last week too, but then i didn't see that i got 4 virt desktops, while there are 5 somethings when i zoom out. that confused me i guess |
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| 11:24.38 | Guest23656 | the way I see it, kde's plasma activities are like this http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/supported_features.png |
| 11:24.41 | Jucato | andip: known bug |
| 11:25.16 | Guest23656 | in other words, who in the HELL is going to run plasma under windows? |
| 11:25.29 | Jucato | people using KDE on Windows |
| 11:25.49 | Guest23656 | making kde integrate loosely with linux in favour of being able to run in on windows is a MAJOR design flaw imo |
| 11:25.51 | Jucato | just because you don't, doesn't mean no one does |
| 11:26.03 | Jucato | ??? |
| 11:26.17 | mgraesslin | the primary target of Plasma is still Unix |
| 11:26.36 | mgraesslin | that it runs on Windows is just a nice by-product by the good design |
| 11:26.43 | Jucato | I never claimed Plasma targeted running on Windows |
| 11:27.12 | Jucato | I just said that it's not targeted at running on a "KDE on a desktop computer on Linux" only |
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| 11:27.23 | mgraesslin | and again Guest23656: wait for 4.4 or 4.5 |
| 11:27.24 | Jucato | and just gave existing examples |
| 11:27.39 | mgraesslin | the plasma devels are spending much time on improving the activities |
| 11:28.02 | Guest23656 | It's a good debate ;-) |
| 11:28.06 | Jucato | (and besides, the jump from what Plasma is doing to what KDE is doing is quite huge. KDE is more than just Plasma and Plasma is not representative of all KDE) |
| 11:28.37 | mgraesslin | +1 |
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| 11:31.30 | Guest23656 | All improvements to activites are welcome, It's just that I don't understand why they were developed in the first place when what 99.99% of linux users want is virtual desktop integration. And fingers crossed this is what will happen in 4.4 or 4.5 |
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| 11:31.55 | hurra | hi |
| 11:32.25 | hurra | in kde3 i used "dcop kicker kicker toggleShowDesktop". in kde4 is there a similar function available for dbus? |
| 11:32.52 | hurra | i didn't find any |
| 11:34.14 | Guest23656 | I just found this discussion on the plasma mailing list. http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2009-February/003846.html |
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| 11:36.32 | ironfroggy_ | what do i need to do to keep apps from not grabbing exclusive use of a sound device? |
| 11:36.54 | Guest23656 | you configure their back-end |
| 11:37.21 | Guest23656 | to use a layer like gstreamer, xine, and such |
| 11:37.25 | Guest23656 | what application? |
| 11:37.39 | ironfroggy_ | VLC, VBox, and Firefox/Flash |
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| 11:38.04 | ironfroggy_ | i thought that the kde sound system did something that woudl route them into whatever settings i had |
| 11:38.10 | ironfroggy_ | obviously im mistaken |
| 11:38.56 | Guest23656 | ironfroggy, kde can be configured to use different backends just like most other 'NON-kde' applications |
| 11:39.10 | Guest23656 | VLC, VBox, Firefox are NOT kde applications |
| 11:39.14 | Jucato | ironfroggy_: nope. non-KDE apps handle sound on their own. KDE apps use Phonon, which by itself doesn't grab exclusive use of a device. an improperly working backend might cause that, but afaik, phonon-xine doesn't |
| 11:39.39 | Guest23656 | it's likely to be VLC |
| 11:39.54 | Guest23656 | I had the same problem with that |
| 11:39.58 | ironfroggy_ | my thought was along the lines that there would be some psuedo-sound device that would route audio into whatever i had setup in kde. is there anything like that? |
| 11:40.19 | Guest23656 | ironfroggy, what distribution are you using because you should not get problems like that 'out of the box' |
| 11:40.28 | Jucato | Guest23656: ironically, if you read a bit further in the thread, one solution is through activities. not so pointless after all |
| 11:40.37 | ironfroggy_ | Guest23656: Kubuntu |
| 11:40.48 | Jucato | (and note that KWin itself has an "all or one and nothing in between" limitation) |
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| 11:41.41 | Guest23656 | Jucato, yes, one solutions is though activities but his main argument is 'The following has nothing to do with activities in my opinion. I would like to be able to configure my virtual desktop/widgets' |
| 11:41.53 | asm` | hey guys, im using kubuntu and i minimized konqurer and it dissappears. any ideas? |
| 11:41.56 | asm` | kubuntu 9.04 |
| 11:42.03 | Jucato | ironfroggy_: no such thing. Phonon is just a programming API layer. it's neither a server nor a device (which is why you dont' see any "phonon" process running) |
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| 11:42.29 | Guest23656 | but the plasma devs are saying that it should be possible to mimic the integration of plasma widgets and virtual desktops through desktop activities. |
| 11:42.42 | Jucato | Guest23656: how did you come to that conclusion from that link/single email you linked to? |
| 11:42.50 | ironfroggy_ | do you know of any other projects that might provide something like that? i have multiple devices and its not practical to try and switch different apps in different places. |
| 11:42.57 | Guest23656 | I really don't see how this can be done though without tighter integration of the two |
| 11:43.03 | andip | my xlog says that Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is enabled, but desktop effects tell me compositing is temp diaabled. if i try to "resume compositing", i'm told an app has suspended composite temporarily. any ideas how to find out what's wrong? |
| 11:44.28 | Jucato | Guest23656: like I said (third time now), integration is being worked on. but "integration" doesn't mean "Plasma has to use KWin now to manage widgets". as for "plasma devs are saying..." that guy you're quoting in that email? he's a plasma dev too. |
| 11:45.02 | asm` | anyone? |
| 11:45.20 | Jucato | asm`: but other non-minimized windows are shown in your panel? |
| 11:45.24 | asm` | yea |
| 11:46.10 | Jucato | weird... can you still alt+tab to Konqueror? |
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| 11:47.45 | asm` | let me try |
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| 11:48.10 | asm` | yep |
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| 11:48.14 | asm` | at alt+tab it opens back up |
| 11:48.32 | asm` | btw jucato, im in a virtual machine |
| 11:48.33 | asm` | if that helps |
| 11:48.37 | Jucato | and it's in the panel again? is it only konqueror doing that? |
| 11:48.38 | asm` | and i just installed guest additions. |
| 11:48.47 | asm` | also, i dont see any diff between desktop 1 and 2 |
| 11:48.49 | asm` | shouldnt 2 be empty? |
| 11:48.57 | asm` | i see 'home' and 'trash' on 1 nd 2 |
| 11:49.17 | Jucato | well, those are just icons/widgets. they're visible on all desktops by default |
| 11:49.31 | Jucato | not sure if running on a vm has any bearing. sorry no idea about the bug |
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| 11:59.03 | ngong | Working with OOo writer and also with Acrobat, maybe other applications as well, reveald that there is a problem with cut-n-paste. Often, not every time, there is nothing on the clipboard. You got to go back and type ctrl-c more than once. Is this a known issue? |
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| 12:01.57 | ngong | kde 4.3.1 and OOo 3.1.1 and AcrobatReader 9 |
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| 12:08.19 | hsa2 | hello everyone |
| 12:08.29 | hsa2 | i have a nvidia 8600 gs graphics card |
| 12:08.32 | wm4 | when I type "ktorrent" on the command prompt, nothing happens. why is that? |
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| 12:08.46 | wm4 | nothing happens as in no output and I don't see a ktorrent process or window |
| 12:08.57 | hsa2 | i installed kde 4.3 but it's kind of small |
| 12:09.27 | hsa2 | is there something that i can do with my xorg.conf ? |
| 12:09.44 | asm` | how do i update the kde running on my kubuntu? |
| 12:09.48 | asm` | its not 4.3.1 |
| 12:11.40 | the_madman | asm`: Check kubuntu.org for instructions. |
| 12:12.05 | the_madman | asm`: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3 |
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| 12:13.46 | asm` | hmm |
| 12:13.48 | asm` | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main |
| 12:13.49 | asm` | is that in bash? |
| 12:14.02 | asm` | terminaml, watever |
| 12:14.03 | asm` | ? |
| 12:14.47 | nailuj24 | asm`: you need to add it to the file /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:15.35 | asm` | i mean why cant i just d/l a freaking file and run it |
| 12:15.37 | asm` | and it will update it |
| 12:15.52 | the_madman | asm`: You can add it in System Settings --> Add or remove software --> Settings --> Edit software sources. |
| 12:16.13 | the_madman | Becuase that's a repository. It won't just upgrade your system once, it'll upgrade every time there's a new upgrade available in KDE. |
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| 12:16.48 | whiteheat | Hi, I would like to get some kde3 functionality back into my kde4.3.5 konqueror - how would I go about that? |
| 12:17.11 | the_madman | whiteheat: Er, what KDE 3 functionality do you want? |
| 12:17.13 | the_madman | O.o |
| 12:17.32 | whiteheat | specifically konqueror had a nice mouse over a document produced a thumbnail of that document |
| 12:18.20 | the_madman | asm`: When you get to the, "Edit software sources" window, go to the Third-party software tab and click, "Add". Then copy-paste the line you just showed us into that. |
| 12:18.39 | asm` | madman okay i ran that command |
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| 12:18.46 | asm` | madman it downloaded and installed something |
| 12:18.48 | asm` | am i done? |
| 12:18.59 | whiteheat | the_madman: that enough info? |
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| 12:19.30 | the_madman | asm`: Now you just update your system in, "Software Updates" and you're done. |
| 12:19.53 | the_madman | whiteheat: Settings --> Configure Konqueror --> File Management --> General --> "Show Tooltips". |
| 12:21.08 | the_madman | whiteheat: Might need to open a new konqueror window/restart konqueror for it to work, I don't know. |
| 12:22.26 | asm` | hmm i did that madman |
| 12:22.32 | asm` | i dont see much diff |
| 12:22.42 | asm` | i dont see it installed anythingnew after i ran 'software updates' |
| 12:22.46 | asm` | just when i added that site |
| 12:22.48 | asm` | to third-part |
| 12:22.49 | asm` | list |
| 12:22.59 | asm` | where can i check my kde version? |
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| 12:23.33 | the_madman | asm`: Need to restart for it to take effect. |
| 12:24.05 | the_madman | asm`: Did you see all the KDE packages available in Software Updates? |
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| 12:24.36 | asm` | nope. |
| 12:24.49 | whiteheat | the_madman: wow! you scratched that annoying itch - thanks!!! It wasnt quite where you said it was - but "tooltips" was the right key - I'm impressed!! |
| 12:25.12 | the_madman | whiteheat: glad to help ;) |
| 12:25.25 | the_madman | asm`: And you clicked, "Refresh" under that tab? |
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| 12:26.28 | whiteheat | I'm glad you could and did - I asked the same question a week ago on several boards, but got no answer |
| 12:26.55 | asm` | should it be checked or something? |
| 12:26.56 | the_madman | whiteheat: People generally use Dolphin for file management, but anything you can configure in Dolphin, you can in Konqueror. |
| 12:27.06 | the_madman | asm`: Yes. |
| 12:27.09 | asm` | the website |
| 12:27.11 | asm` | before i hit close |
| 12:27.13 | asm` | should i check http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main |
| 12:27.14 | asm` | ? |
| 12:27.24 | the_madman | asm`: Yes. |
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| 12:28.18 | the_madman | asm`: To justify, OpenSUSE had a, "One-click install" on their site and it messed everything up. |
| 12:28.35 | the_madman | asm`: And adding repositories in one click is potentially very, very dangerous. |
| 12:29.02 | cb400f | it's exactly the same as manually adding the repo and installing the package |
| 12:29.22 | cb400f | .. only difference is that people forget to think about what they're actually doing when using 1-click |
| 12:29.46 | asm` | well madman |
| 12:29.50 | asm` | i checked it before hitting close |
| 12:29.59 | asm` | i see that it downloaded some packages, but under 'refresh' nothing comes up. |
| 12:30.08 | the_madman | cb400f: Yeah, but apparently they changed a whole load of the package names and it messed up the whole install. |
| 12:30.17 | asm` | only 4 'failed updates' appear. something with linux or other. |
| 12:30.37 | the_madman | asm`: *sigh* |
| 12:30.49 | the_madman | asm`: All right, I suppose you'll have to go into the command line. |
| 12:30.49 | whiteheat | yes but dolphin has a drawback - it has no "up arrow" so you cant go up one level and this becomes a problem when you navigate using the directory list on the left hand side by manipulating the >V widgets and only clicking on the final directory. If you then want to go up one you cant use the back arrow cos it goes way back |
| 12:31.15 | the_madman | whiteheat: by deafult* |
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| 12:31.43 | the_madman | whiteheat: You CAN right-click the toolbar and click, "Configure toolbars". Press, "U" in the left column for, "Up". |
| 12:32.04 | whiteheat | the_madman: I suppose that means that you can add an up arrow to the toolbar? |
| 12:32.05 | the_madman | whiteheat: Then click the arrow to add it to the toolbar and click-drag it to where you want it to appear. |
| 12:32.14 | the_madman | whiteheat: This isn't windows ;) |
| 12:32.16 | asm` | madman: okay it found '44 updates' now. |
| 12:32.22 | whiteheat | hehehe |
| 12:32.33 | asm` | only cuz now after i closed third-party vendors, id idnt hit 'reload' i hit 'close' |
| 12:32.39 | asm` | to whatever msg it was |
| 12:32.56 | the_madman | whiteheat: http://imagebin.ca/view/PqMvae.html |
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| 12:33.18 | the_madman | asm`: Aah. |
| 12:33.26 | the_madman | asm`: Yes, that was the problem. |
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| 12:34.46 | asm` | madman |
| 12:34.59 | asm` | by reading the message, i would only be a fool to click close and not reload |
| 12:35.07 | asm` | but i hit close just to try it out |
| 12:35.16 | asm` | reload implied that you upated the allowed-third party vendor list |
| 12:35.18 | asm` | and it needs to update. |
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| 12:35.40 | asm` | madman: is this same are add or remove software where i can install the thousands of apps available for u/kubuntu?? |
| 12:36.04 | whiteheat | the_madman: aah thanks for that - should have figured that one out myself |
| 12:36.20 | the_madman | asm`: Yes. |
| 12:36.34 | the_madman | asm`: That bit's under, "Software Management". |
| 12:36.52 | the_madman | asm`: You can do a search, or select a category from the drop-down menu on the right. |
| 12:37.44 | whiteheat | the_madman: and I just applied the previous tip to dolphin and lo and behold that works too!!! WOW |
| 12:38.05 | the_madman | asm`: You might be interested in the, "KDE" category which, among other things, includes several plasma widgets. |
| 12:38.13 | asm` | madman |
| 12:38.18 | asm` | wont they come with 4.3.1? |
| 12:38.37 | the_madman | asm`: Well, yes, the default ones will. |
| 12:39.29 | the_madman | asm`: But many user-contributed ones (that you can find on KDE-look.org) are available. |
| 12:39.40 | the_madman | whiteheat: :) |
| 12:40.07 | the_madman | whiteheat: Why I don't like the, "Don't like KDE because this isn't default" argument ;) |
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| 12:42.07 | the_madman | Anyway, I'm in the middle of an I.T lesson. |
| 12:42.20 | whiteheat | heheh - I like kde over gnome, I just dont like it when they change things I had gotten to like. For example the new plasma desktop looks smooth, but I find it not as useful as the previous version when it comes to putting icons on the desktop (or downloads) |
| 12:42.36 | whiteheat | what r u studying? |
| 12:42.47 | the_madman | Right now: project management. |
| 12:43.29 | whiteheat | kewl - wouldnt mind doing that myself, but I cant see that happening |
| 12:43.55 | the_madman | whiteheat: I understand their decision with Plasma and personally, I love it (never liked the, "Desktop is a dumping-ground for icons" concept though), but this might interest you: Cashew --> Desktop Settings --> Type: Folder View. |
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| 12:54.43 | Dorsai | Hi, atm I have 2 Monitors using nvidia twinview. KDE (4.3.1) is set up to use 4 virtual desktops. Is there a way to set a seperate desktop to each monitor instead of one broad desktop for both screens? |
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| 13:00.24 | carl- | so the other day at home i have an nvidia card using nvidia drivers and i try it with 2 monitors .. logging in to kde gives me unreadable fonts small as strands of hair |
| 13:01.07 | carl- | so my question is this something known ?? is there something i can do about it ?? my config works very well like this in gnome though |
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| 13:04.12 | Dorsai | You could set the dpi in KDEs display menu |
| 13:04.16 | Dorsai | I guess |
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| 13:06.47 | Dorsai | sorry I meant "font settings" |
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| 13:23.10 | carl- | Dorsai: hmmm well .. what is strange about it is that it works perfect in gnome .. so what is the difference then in that gnome seems to adapt |
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| 13:23.44 | carl- | i mean its not really a rarity with nvidia cards and these days not really a rarity with a multidisplay setup .. |
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| 13:25.07 | carl- | the issue even happens straight in kdm .. so kdm is practically unusable if one has to see what one writes |
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| 14:07.00 | hsa2 | which method does kde use for playing sound notifications? |
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| 14:11.53 | poutsi | hsa2, that is configurable in the system settings |
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| 14:13.35 | I-Love-Cats | hi all |
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| 14:14.43 | I-Love-Cats | KDE 4.3 is good. |
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| 14:14.55 | hsa2 | poutsi: which part exactly? |
| 14:15.02 | I-Love-Cats | Plasma |
| 14:15.08 | I-Love-Cats | Nepomuk |
| 14:15.17 | I-Love-Cats | KDE-PIM |
| 14:15.41 | I-Love-Cats | But: how can I get Strigi to work with RedLand? |
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| 14:18.31 | sling-shot | Hi People. Could you please tell me how to force GTK apps to use KDE fonts under KDE4? |
| 14:18.56 | hsa2 | sling-shot: gtk-qt-engine should do the work |
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| 14:20.02 | sling-shot | hsa2: Should i go to the commandline for that? |
| 14:20.12 | I-Love-Cats | no |
| 14:20.13 | hsa2 | sling-shot: which distro do you use? |
| 14:20.28 | I-Love-Cats | just apt-get install gtk-qt-engine |
| 14:20.32 | I-Love-Cats | or yum install |
| 14:20.34 | sling-shot | PCLinuxOS 2009 |
| 14:20.48 | sling-shot | Then it will be Synaptic for me |
| 14:20.55 | hsa2 | sling-shot: yes |
| 14:21.05 | hsa2 | than go to your kde settings center |
| 14:21.17 | hsa2 | under appearance there will be a gtk settings menu |
| 14:21.18 | I-Love-Cats | no |
| 14:21.23 | I-Love-Cats | gtk-qt-engine sucks |
| 14:21.33 | I-Love-Cats | just install it for ability to set GTK theme |
| 14:21.46 | I-Love-Cats | then download some Oxygen port from gnome-look.org |
| 14:21.47 | hsa2 | I-Love-Cats: i think you suck better |
| 14:21.49 | sling-shot | KDE settings does not have that item under appearance. |
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| 14:22.05 | I-Love-Cats | meh... |
| 14:22.09 | sling-shot | in my system |
| 14:24.00 | sling-shot | Unfortunately "gtk-qt-engine: |
| 14:24.02 | sling-shot | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.09 | I-Love-Cats | KDE4? |
| 14:25.56 | sling-shot | Yes. Now I have KDE4 |
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| 14:26.11 | I-Love-Cats | then install new version of gtk-qt-engine |
| 14:26.14 | sling-shot | 4.3.1 to be precise |
| 14:26.21 | I-Love-Cats | me too :) |
| 14:26.22 | pinotree | sling-shot: or better ask in the channel of your distro |
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| 14:27.45 | sling-shot | pinotree: Unfortunately PCLinuxOS channel is quite sleepy these days. |
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| 14:29.13 | I-Love-Cats | gtk-qt-engine is very bad I think |
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| 14:32.21 | Beyonder | Hi. Is it normal that OpenGL as compositing type is MUCH slower than XRender? |
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| 14:32.39 | sling-shot | I-Love-Cats: I am unable to install it from my repositories. The package available is for 3.5.x KDE |
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| 14:32.54 | I-Love-Cats | Then compile from sources |
| 14:33.37 | I-Love-Cats | http://code.google.com/p/gtk-qt-engine/ |
| 14:34.40 | sling-shot | I am not confident of compiling. Also PCLinuxOS strongly advises against putting anything not in the tested repositories :-( |
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| 14:35.49 | I-Love-Cats | how did you get KDE4.3? By testing repositories? |
| 14:36.14 | sling-shot | yes :-) |
| 14:36.31 | I-Love-Cats | maybe you can get new gtk-qt-engine there too :) |
| 14:36.33 | sling-shot | may be it is still incomplete then? |
| 14:37.01 | I-Love-Cats | if you can't, repo is still incomplete |
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| 14:37.40 | sling-shot | hmm... so finally i think the problem will be solved when gtk-qt-engine becomes available in the repos for me. |
| 14:38.29 | I-Love-Cats | ok |
| 14:39.59 | alexex | arent there any kde4 themes beside the ones at kde-look? |
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| 14:40.26 | sling-shot | Thans to I-Love-Cats , hsa2 |
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| 14:57.12 | DexterF | hi |
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| 14:57.28 | DexterF | how can I open a file from konsole with what KDE deems best fit? |
| 14:58.19 | DexterF | (in Cygwin under Windows I have an "open" alias that calls the desktop system, so I just say open foo.jpg and it runs IrfanView) |
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| 14:59.09 | DexterF | after all konq/dolphin somehow have to determine what happens when double clicking a file, so what's the underlying mechanism? |
| 15:00.46 | DexterTheDragon | how can I disable the "scroll on desktop switches desktops" in 4.2? |
| 15:00.55 | Pinaraf | DexterF: use xdg-open |
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| 15:01.44 | DexterF | Pinaraf: yay, exactly what I meant, thanks! |
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| 15:02.06 | itsme | hi @ all |
| 15:02.13 | Pinaraf | DexterF: and it's cross-desktop |
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| 15:02.26 | DexterF | uh huh |
| 15:02.59 | itsme | does anyone if there are special requirements to save EPS-images via qimage? xX |
| 15:03.06 | itsme | know :) |
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| 15:10.49 | saebbi | hello. i need a translucent terminal window without any window decorations, borders, scrollbars etc.. it should simply be a translucent area |
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| 15:11.18 | saebbi | also, it should support tabs (that i will have to open and close via key shortcuts, since there will be no visible control elements) |
| 15:12.16 | saebbi | is there any way i can achieve this with Konsole? |
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| 15:13.54 | lemma | saebbi: yes. remove the menu-bar, remove the window frame and make it translucent using the window manager |
| 15:14.13 | lemma | saebbi: I don't think the scrollbar can be hidden though (you'll have to try) |
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| 15:14.36 | saebbi | lemma, i have made it translucent already using the konsole options. but how can i remove the menu-bar and window frame? |
| 15:14.58 | saebbi | the scrollbar can be hidden in the options as well |
| 15:15.01 | lemma | saebbi: menu-bar: uncheck "show menu-bar" in the settings menu |
| 15:15.21 | lemma | saebbi: window frame: click the window icon in the upper left and check "advanced" submenu |
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| 15:17.11 | saebbi | lemma, i unchecked "Show menu bars in new windows" but when i restart it, the menu bar is still there |
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| 15:19.19 | lemma | saebbi: true. strange. maybe a bug |
| 15:19.30 | saebbi | lemma, disabling the window frame works, but when i restart konsole, its there again. is there a way to start it that way (without the frame) ? |
| 15:19.47 | lemma | saebbi: I think you can configure that in systemsettings' window behaviour |
| 15:19.48 | saebbi | lemma.. oh. ok, i'll look into that then, maybe someone else has the same problem |
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| 15:22.26 | saebbi | i can't seem to find anything in the system settings window behaviour menu.. also, it looks to me as if this will affect all windows, not just the konsole window |
| 15:24.18 | saebbi | maybe, is it possible to pass kde options to konversation when it is started and disable the window frame that way?? |
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| 15:31.59 | Guest92075 | I've been attempting to get plasma activites to work. One per virtual desktop but have had not luck so far |
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| 15:32.17 | Guest92075 | Is this feature considered stable or should I wait for 4.4? |
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| 15:38.38 | Guest92075 | I don't get activities, they don't change my windows so whats the point? |
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| 15:40.47 | Guest92075 | I want to have a work activity (folder view of work related stuff), a video, a music, and a networking activity. it works but I have to change activity in addition to the virtual desktop when I am switching between them |
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| 15:41.20 | Guest92075 | I don't get it |
| 15:41.41 | Guest92075 | please explain what I am doing wrong |
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| 15:43.41 | Guest92075 | ah well... It's not important. I can live without ;-) |
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| 15:46.55 | Rioting_Pacifist | when an app crashes in a one of event is it worth submiting the bug report that kcrashhandler suggests (e.g if i don't have the time to follow it up will it just become bugzilla spam?) |
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| 15:48.11 | Guest92075 | only bother reporting a bug if you can reproduce it |
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| 15:49.05 | Guest92075 | try and repeat exactly what you did to cause the bug |
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| 15:49.21 | Guest92075 | then submit the steps you took in a bug report |
| 15:49.37 | Guest92075 | along with versions of the software you are running, etc... |
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| 15:50.12 | volty | anyway to change background color of the panel ? |
| 15:50.13 | Guest92075 | but ALWAYS search bugzilla for the bug |
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| 15:57.07 | Guest92075 | great BoF about how to bring nepomuk activities, plasma activities and virtual desktops together with what people do. |
| 15:57.57 | lemma | Guest92075: integration of the concepts is on its way. |
| 16:00.03 | Rioting_Pacifist | volty: i think you need to change the theme, under destkop settings, i cant find a way to change the pannel color ala kde3 though |
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| 16:01.41 | volty | Rioting_Pacifist: thx, the theme is ok for me just the background color, hope they will offer this option in future |
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| 16:02.23 | volty | where kaddressbook stores its data ? |
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| 16:03.02 | lemma | volty: check contacts resources in systemsettings -> KDE resources |
| 16:03.16 | lemma | volty: if you click "settings" it will show you the path for each contacts resource you have |
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| 16:04.35 | volty | lemma: thx, but I have to recover these data from a gentoo installation with broken GUI |
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| 16:05.25 | lemma | volty: then check ~/.kde/share/apps/kabc |
| 16:06.45 | volty | thx :) |
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| 16:19.41 | kent\n | <rant approaching> |
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| 16:20.26 | kent\n | it would be nice to have some way to configure plasma's desktop that, you know, doesn't require you to be able to right click the desktop |
| 16:20.42 | kent\n | this really has gotten on my goat >_< |
| 16:21.47 | kent\n | every time somebody produces a new containment system, and I you want to try it out to see how it looks, and then discover its broken, and you cant get back, and you have to go flush your plasmarc's, its a bit insane |
| 16:22.06 | kent\n | I mean, if I could *just* get the plasma desktop conf that'd be great |
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| 16:44.41 | simon123 | kent\n: have you ever used something like backup? Copy whole working .kde before you try anything and restor after you find that you don't like new stuff. |
| 16:45.01 | kent\n | simon123: thats like killing you to cure cancer. |
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| 16:45.20 | kent\n | its a design failure |
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| 16:46.01 | kent\n | in the latest, they've at least moved the ability to change your plasma style into SystemSettings. |
| 16:46.09 | kent\n | this is a GoodThing⢠in my books |
| 16:46.33 | kent\n | if they could move other things so they're at least accessible from SystemSettings, that'd be great too |
| 16:46.33 | simon123 | it is not, if you need something in previous state then make backup before change (it is the easiest way to do that) |
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| 16:46.53 | kent\n | thats not what I have a problem with simon123 |
| 16:47.29 | kent\n | the problem is that, once changed from state A to B, there is no menu system remaining, *period* that lets you get from B to A, because the menu was stored in A and is inaccessible from B |
| 16:47.43 | kent\n | and thats bad. |
| 16:47.57 | lilltiger | kent\n: plasmoidviewer |
| 16:47.59 | simon123 | kent\n: console is the keyword |
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| 16:48.24 | kent\n | lilltiger: not relevant to context |
| 16:48.41 | kent\n | lilltiger: I'm talking about the whole damn desktop containment |
| 16:48.45 | lilltiger | kent\n: you wsnted to try out an plasmoid before applying it.. |
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| 16:49.13 | kent\n | lilltiger: no, that is not what I wanted at all. |
| 16:49.33 | simon123 | there is a lot of settings that people need seldom, and no one will spend time creating GUI configuration tool to help changing few characters in configuration file |
| 16:49.48 | kent\n | simon123: the thing is the Gui tool *ALREADY EXISTS* |
| 16:50.04 | kent\n | its just that I can not get to it any longer once the change has occurred |
| 16:50.28 | kent\n | and have to dig through plasmarc's with a text editor to find which one it was I changed and change it back |
| 16:50.59 | simon123 | kent\n: console - command cp A B ; and if you don't like new changed A then cp B A : |
| 16:51.08 | simon123 | done |
| 16:51.38 | kent\n | thats fine and dandy when you know where A and B are, and fine and dandy when you're expecting to not be able to get back |
| 16:52.01 | kent\n | but generally, you don't know where they are, because you're usuaully changing them from the UI |
| 16:52.17 | kent\n | and usually expecting that when you change something, it wont delete your capacity to unchange it |
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| 16:52.52 | simon123 | kent\n: that is why I 'cp plasmarc plasmarc-bak' and if I dont like new stuff then 'cp plasmarc-bak plasmarc' problem solved faster then digging plasmarc |
| 16:53.04 | kent\n | in 3.5 this was nailed down pat, you could configure the desktop by right click, or you could find the same widget via Kcontrol |
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| 16:53.34 | simon123 | kent\n: that is another pair of shoes |
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| 16:53.53 | kent\n | Good Design is still Good Design |
| 16:53.56 | alexex | oO |
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| 16:54.18 | alexex | why cant you just accept what kent\n is saying? i think it absolutely makes sense what he is saying |
| 16:54.45 | simon123 | I guess that talks to make configuration a bit easier and uniform are under the way. Although, I don't have refernces, right now. |
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| 16:55.05 | kent\n | seriously, if you're developing a UI, you implement UI ways to solve the problem, dropping down to the console is generally a symptom of failure |
| 16:55.59 | simon123 | kent\n: if new feature broke your desktop that is not symptom that IS failure :) |
| 16:56.49 | kent\n | even without these new features breaking things, they're just the icing on the cake that provoke me to complain |
| 16:56.54 | simon123 | if you want hot new sutff then be ready that it breaks more often then not |
| 16:57.09 | kent\n | I still loathe not being able to configure the desktop from system settings |
| 16:57.37 | volty | kent\n is right, what they are doing is quite risky |
| 16:57.52 | alexex | is there a way to enable a frame around the html part in konqueror? because without it, it looks quite ugly |
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| 16:58.37 | simon123 | kent\n: in well tested system you can't see hot new stuff - and well tested in opensource world usually means old and boring |
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| 16:59.30 | volty | wasn't the talk about configuration ? |
| 16:59.33 | kent\n | I understand this, but I'm also aware that the concept of "stable" is a not well defined, and no matter how stable you'd like to think something is, things still break |
| 16:59.52 | simon123 | alexex: creating GUI tool is much more work then you may think - that is the reason to have CLI for lesser often used configuration |
| 16:59.58 | kent\n | I've seen this type of breakage occuring since 4.0 |
| 17:00.05 | volty | configuration shouldn't be a 'new feature' |
| 17:00.06 | kent\n | and its now 4.3 |
| 17:00.27 | kent\n | simon123: where in hell did I point to creating a GUI tool? |
| 17:00.31 | kent\n | one already exists |
| 17:01.06 | kent\n | hell, all they need to do is put a DBUS command in plasma so I can trigger it without needing to click the damned desktop and that would make /me/ happy |
| 17:01.14 | simon123 | if it is wipped off with misbehaving widget then ther is none :) |
| 17:01.26 | volty | simon123: only one gui module for all the possible configurations should exist, and called from system settings, or the apps alone dosn't matter |
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| 17:02.05 | volty | and once you have this damn module it's automatic to have dbus interface too |
| 17:02.16 | kent\n | simon123: as far as I can make out, the desktop configuration window/dialog is not deleted when a misbehaving containment lands, it is merely rendered inaccessible |
| 17:02.42 | kent\n | and its only rendered inaccessible by click |
| 17:02.48 | simon123 | yes, which makes no difference |
| 17:03.09 | kent\n | there's no good reason that dialog could be accessed regardless of the containments state of working |
| 17:03.15 | kent\n | couldnt* |
| 17:03.43 | kent\n | its not dependant on the plasmoid |
| 17:03.57 | kent\n | its the configuration for plasma *itself* |
| 17:04.52 | simon123 | one thing to understand is that not every programmer in opensource world is good one and many of us users use all applications without consideration who is the author |
| 17:04.58 | volty | I miss menu widget (panel), where I used to export only one submenu folder |
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| 17:05.47 | simon123 | volty: one big tool for all configurations would be monster |
| 17:05.48 | kent\n | simon123: sure, but nothings stopping people from debating what is and what isn't good design, and putting it to the people who are implementing it as a *Strong* recommendationn |
| 17:06.04 | kent\n | simon123: its called systemsettings.... I'm sure you've used it |
| 17:06.05 | volty | simon123: sorry, but you don't get the idea |
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| 17:06.42 | volty | as an example, you could create a module that reads text files and create gui interface to prompt / get data |
| 17:07.03 | kent\n | In fact, I *never* find myself digging into the .config dirs *except* for this circumstance, so I would propose it the exception, not the rule. |
| 17:07.23 | simon123 | kent\n: you would to have to have someone that will review all the code - that is not how the majority of opensource projects work |
| 17:07.31 | simon123 | bbl |
| 17:07.56 | kent\n | simon123: I find it amusing you lecturing me on opensource, honestly, I do :p |
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| 17:08.16 | volty | you parse the config files and create interface, if you miss something special you have to change the grammatics of config files, otherwise no gui like kde can handle config complexity in the future |
| 17:09.16 | kent\n | but the change I'm suggesting would be likely <200loc. No guarantees until I look at the code, but It would be very plausible to get half of what I want done by doing a dbus hook on the dialog |
| 17:09.28 | kent\n | its a shame I just *hate* c++ these days. |
| 17:09.45 | Gen2ly | kinda of an out there question but does anybody know how to disable or change the value of suspend from the command line? |
| 17:09.53 | volty | kent\n: give a look at ruby |
| 17:10.03 | kent\n | volty: Perl ;) |
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| 17:10.14 | volty | mah :( |
| 17:10.40 | volty | then better the pervert python |
| 17:10.58 | kent\n | being a perl person is why I find the oss lectures hillarious |
| 17:11.06 | Gen2ly | i'd like to disable/change value of suspend and I look at dbus but it only looks to me to be able trigger, I don't see any values listed |
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| 17:11.16 | Uplink | anyone knows what theme is this? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/KDE_4.2_(RC).png |
| 17:12.27 | kent\n | Uplink: looks like good old oxygen to me |
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| 17:12.57 | volty | Gen2ly: if you mean the time it waits (from gui) before suspending it means it isn't implemented (to change the value) |
| 17:13.03 | ninjafury | how do I set my windows key as the main shortcut to launch the kickoff menu in kde4? I've done it in 'keyboard shortcuts' but it isn't working. |
| 17:13.32 | volty | ninjafury: just the windows key alone? |
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| 17:13.57 | volty | a pitty to dedicate the whole key just for the kickoff |
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| 17:15.28 | volty | ninjafury: when you did it with shortcuts you got what ? just the win key ? strange ... |
| 17:15.32 | ninjafury | volty: Actually, if I can set it to be win+alt that would be better |
| 17:15.57 | ninjafury | volty: no when I press the win key I get 'SUPER [][][][]' shown |
| 17:16.10 | volty | ninjafury: why not Win+R ? |
| 17:16.15 | Uplink | kent\n; hmm i installed kde-meta... how can i make it look like that? |
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| 17:16.31 | ninjafury | volty: ok but where do I set the shortcut? |
| 17:16.42 | kent\n | Uplink: set style to oxygen, and then find that wallpaper ;) |
| 17:16.50 | volty | ninjafury: on the menu itself, right click |
| 17:17.01 | Uplink | kent\n; style as in theme or what? |
| 17:17.11 | kent\n | yes |
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| 17:19.36 | ninjafury | volty: great that worked. thanks |
| 17:19.54 | Gen2ly | volty: got caught up a sec, yeah from gui suspend time. do you know where this value is kept, is it a file or perhaps dbus? |
| 17:21.00 | volty | Gen2ly: .kde/share/config/powerdevilprofiles ? |
| 17:21.12 | Gen2ly | volty: thanks, I'll take a look |
| 17:21.33 | volty | Gen2ly: .kde/share/config/powerdevilprofiles ? |
| 17:21.37 | volty | Gen2ly: .kde/share/config/powerdevilprofilesrc |
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| 17:22.22 | volty | btw: grep -i suspend .kde/share/config/* |
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| 17:23.07 | volty | I used to define multiple key shortcuts, went away or I have to enable something? |
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| 17:24.13 | Gen2ly | sureis there, thanks volty |
| 17:25.02 | volty | a problem here: editing menu, save, it needs half an hour to update the system configuration? anyone had similar experience ? |
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| 17:25.58 | Gen2ly | oy |
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| 17:28.43 | volty | I was very fine with gentoo & kde 3, then moved to kubuntu 9, and got this crap, it's nice, fast but has problems, amarok blocks the machine on scanning, changing system language doesn't update everything (like k-menu) etc etc |
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| 17:45.08 | kent\n | simon123: sorry, Kde is written in C++. Perl is not C++ |
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| 17:45.37 | ttf | hi.. with desktop effects enabled I have sluggishness when resizing windows or scrolling in ff |
| 17:45.59 | ttf | from googeling I see that I was/am not the only one |
| 17:46.10 | ttf | I did not find a solution though. |
| 17:46.58 | cb400f | disable effects? |
| 17:47.06 | ttf | I experimented with opengl/xrender, enabling/disabling direct rendering, vsync, etc. |
| 17:47.13 | cb400f | .. or get a better supported gfx card with better drivers? |
| 17:47.27 | ttf | with effects disabled everything is very smooth |
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| 17:47.56 | ttf | I'm having a Intel Corporation 82852/855GM |
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| 17:48.49 | ttf | is that (or intel chipsets in general) know to give bad performcance? |
| 17:48.55 | cb400f | do you use the wobbly effect? .. try disabling wobbling when resizing |
| 17:49.06 | ttf | cb400f: no - I have that disabled |
| 17:49.27 | ttf | most important thing is scrolling in firefox |
| 17:49.47 | PhrkOnLsh | ttf: distro? |
| 17:50.03 | ttf | even using page-up/page-down the sluggishness is there |
| 17:50.15 | ttf | PhrkOnLsh: debian/testing/unstable |
| 17:50.21 | ttf | kde 4.3.1 |
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| 17:50.39 | ttf | xserver: 7.3+19 |
| 17:50.52 | ttf | (xorg that is) |
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| 17:58.31 | simon123 | kent\n: the way you complained made me think that you have no idea how opensource works, so not completely my fault to attempt to explain my view on a problem |
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| 18:06.50 | alecs1 | hi, since 4.3 betas my Korganizer lost its calendar and is not able to load the old one; using 4.3.1 from Debian Unstable |
| 18:06.57 | alecs1 | a complete bug report at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=201694 |
| 18:07.08 | alecs1 | does anyone know a workaround? |
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| 19:29.37 | hrad | is anybody using k3b and gets always stuck on 99% ? |
| 19:29.49 | hrad | at the end of the burning proccess ? |
| 19:31.03 | hrad | it happened to me like 20 times from 20 attempts...everytime different medium |
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| 19:33.02 | hallowname | hrad: 1.67? trunk? wut kind of burn project? k3b is mostly a gui frontend to other cli tools. |
| 19:33.46 | hrad | 1.63 |
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| 19:33.54 | hrad | an iso image |
| 19:34.53 | hallowname | hrad: dvd images use growisofs i think. and cd images use cdrecord iirc. maybe test your distro's cli burning first? or upgrade k3b... |
| 19:34.53 | hrad | debugging output ends with : 3920199680/3920214016 (100.0%) @1.8x, remaining 0:00 RBU 0.0% UBU 100.0% |
| 19:35.22 | hrad | === last message repeated 131 times. === |
| 19:35.25 | hrad | ok |
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| 19:38.50 | hrad | hallowname: and as far as the growisofs, is it ok like this $growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=file.iso for DVD-RW which is not blank ? |
| 19:39.58 | hallowname | hrad: no blank it first. w 'wodim dev=/dev/dvd blank=fast' or similiar. i dont think growisofs autoblanks discs. i dont really kno tho... |
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| 19:42.50 | hrad | omg, there is no wodim package for slackware |
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| 19:43.24 | hallowname | hrad: wow. slackware? gives you .63? i vote for .67 anyway. plenty of fixes since .63... |
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| 19:43.56 | hrad | I don't have the final release of 13.0 |
| 19:44.05 | hallowname | hrad: maybe they never split the cdrecord package. see if you cdrecord binary can blank dvds. |
| 19:44.06 | hrad | I'm going to install it right now |
| 19:44.19 | hrad | I guess that it should be there |
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| 19:45.59 | unj | Hi, when I try to boot into KDE, I get an error that says "ksmserver: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory" anyone know where I can get that file? I removed it because I was having radeon problems |
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| 19:46.39 | Timbauns | will there be a konqueror/standard kde browser using webkit instead of khtml? |
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| 19:47.21 | hallowname | unj: well you're going to want that file back :) just kick your distro channel about your driver problems. deleteing/symlinking .so files usually doesnt' end well... |
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| 19:47.22 | hellhound | i am not able to get my logitech quickcam stx to work in kopete, however it does work in cheese. when I run kopete through the terminal I get the errors: http://pastebin.com/m3f7a9467 |
| 19:47.24 | hallowname | Timbauns: arora? rekonq? |
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| 19:48.43 | Timbauns | those are not as useful as konqueror at the moment |
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| 20:06.40 | abhi | can someone help me? i cant change my theme |
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| 20:10.29 | Uplink | what can i use to decorate my windows? im running KDE 4.3.1 and i dont like any of the window decorations in kde-look.org |
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| 20:10.30 | hallowname | Uplink: bespin? i love bespin... its so configurable... |
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| 20:10.30 | Uplink | hallowname: link me to a screenshot bro :D |
| 20:10.30 | hallowname | Uplink: cloudcity.sf.net |
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| 20:10.31 | hellhound | i am not able to get my logitech quickcam stx to work in kopete, however it does work in cheese. when I run kopete through the terminal I get the errors: http://pastebin.com/m3f7a9467 |
| 20:10.31 | hallowname | Uplink: eh. his screenshots are lame. it doesnt look maccish by default. |
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| 20:10.31 | Uplink | hallowname: hmm where can i get the window decorations? |
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| 20:10.32 | abhi_ | can someone help me? i cant change my theme |
| 20:10.32 | hallowname | Uplink: um im not sure if your distro has packages. i compile it from svn every few weeks. |
| 20:10.32 | Uplink | abhi_: right click your desktop < desktop settings |
| 20:10.32 | hallowname | Uplink: http://imagebin.ca/img/iSOGUOa.png <- my bespinness. |
| 20:10.32 | Uplink | hallowname: im running arch with kde |
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| 20:10.32 | hallowname | Uplink: ah me too ;) i compile mine tho. idk if aur has a pkgb for it or not... it might... |
| 20:10.33 | alecs1 | hi, I'm stuck with bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=201694 , I would appreciate a work-around suggestion |
| 20:10.33 | Uplink | hallowname: thats bad ass but im looking for something a little bit more... 'glossy glass' look on my windows |
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| 20:10.33 | abhi_ | Uplink: i am at the theme setting, but the apply button seems to greyed out |
| 20:10.33 | hallowname | Uplink: yea i cant even explain how configurable it is... it does what you want. promise. and it will even walk the dog for you. |
| 20:10.49 | hallowname | Uplink: it has at least 6 predefined gradients for windeco. |
| 20:10.49 | DexterTheDragon | how can I disable the "scroll on desktop switches desktops" in 4.2? |
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