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`00:17.48`	`Alumin`	`Still looking for ideas on how to troubleshoot my inability to add widgets to the screensaver :)`
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`00:45.45`	`mickael9`	`hi guys :)`
`00:46.13`	`mickael9`	`I'm having a little problem with links`
`00:46.44`	`mickael9`	`whenever I click a link on konversation or kmail, it gets downloaded by KDE into a temporary file (/var/tmp/kdecache-user/krun/...) and opened in my browser`
`00:47.16`	`mickael9`	`I guess the problem is related to my configuration but I don't know what file I have to edit`
`00:47.38`	`mickael9`	`I'm using archLinux / KDE 4.3`
`00:48.23`	`voidprayer`	`how is #archlinux?`
`00:48.40`	`mickael9`	`?`
`00:49.12`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: i don't think that is your fault. maybe a little distro-specific.`
`00:49.31`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: how about ask this in your own distro channel. they might know.`
`00:49.40`	`mickael9`	`well it's kdemod in fact`
`00:50.04`	`mickael9`	`it's basically a vanilla kde with some patches (a very few)`
`00:50.32`	`voidprayer`	`i knew little about arch. kdemod is not officially supported?`
`00:51.06`	`mickael9`	`well, kdemod introduced split packages`
`00:51.24`	`mickael9`	`while the official repos had big packages (kdeedu, kdeartworks etc)`
`00:51.39`	`mickael9`	`kdemod provided packages like kdemod-kdebase-konsole`
`00:51.59`	`mickael9`	`but now the official KDE is split like that too`
`00:52.35`	`mickael9`	`the config is in ~/.kdemod4 but I symlinked ~/.kde4 to ~/.kdemod4 to make sure the problem wasn't coming from there`
`00:52.47`	`mickael9`	`:/`
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`00:53.05`	`mickael9`	`:D`
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`00:56.14`	`mickael9`	`voidprayer : http://chakra-project.org/wiki/index.php/KDEmod_Differences`
`01:00.00`	`mickael9`	`package update :)`
`01:00.06`	`mickael9`	`logging out of kde :P`
`01:00.26`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: okay, hope updating solve it.`
`01:00.37`	`mickael9`	`I doubt it :D`
`01:00.41`	`mickael9`	`but well :D`
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`01:02.59`	`mickael9`	`not fixed :/`
`01:03.15`	`mickael9`	`I think I'm going to try vanilla kde :P`
`01:03.27`	`mickael9`	`if it's still not working, then that's not distro related`
`01:03.37`	`mickael9`	`because it's 100% vanilla KDE`
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`01:05.48`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: although in topic they say dont remove ~/.kde4, i always do that to solve problems...`
`01:06.04`	`mickael9`	`ye`
`01:06.15`	`mickael9`	`it made me laugh when joining the channel because I was thinking of doing it :D`
`01:06.33`	`mickael9`	`but I'm a bit lazy to reconfigure everything`
`01:06.46`	`mickael9`	`especially file associations`
`01:06.54`	`mickael9`	`wine is a mess :/`
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`01:07.48`	`mickael9`	`I will try to run a different user voidprayer`
`01:07.53`	`mickael9`	`see if the problem is happenning`
`01:08.01`	`mickael9`	`I'm 90% sur it won't happen lol`
`01:08.04`	`mickael9`	`sure*`
`01:08.33`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: yes.`
`01:08.48`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: try a new user to see whether the problem is system-wide.`
`01:11.51`	`mickael9`	`okay I tried voidprayer`
`01:11.56`	`mickael9`	`and guess what...`
`01:12.04`	`mickael9`	`it works...`
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`01:12.18`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: then it should be about your ~/.kde4...`
`01:12.25`	`mickael9`	`yep`
`01:12.28`	`mickael9`	`what should I delete ?`
`01:12.30`	`mickael9`	`:D`
`01:12.31`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: is it a new-installed machine?`
`01:12.34`	`mickael9`	`no`
`01:12.44`	`mickael9`	`it's an old config :D`
`01:12.58`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: be very careful delete them, no any your personal information can survive.`
`01:13.04`	`mickael9`	`I know`
`01:13.15`	`mickael9`	`KDEMod included a backup tool`
`01:13.20`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: backup your mails and blah blah blah.`
`01:13.21`	`mickael9`	`it backups kmail & all`
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`01:13.32`	`mickael9`	`but not Konversation and all`
`01:13.32`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: tell me that tool. i need that...`
`01:13.34`	`mickael9`	`but he`
`01:13.36`	`mickael9`	`I will mv`
`01:13.38`	`mickael9`	`not r`
`01:13.39`	`mickael9`	`rm`
`01:13.41`	`mickael9`	`:D`
`01:13.50`	`mickael9`	`that way I can copy files I need from my old configuration`
`01:14.01`	`mickael9`	`but I'll also have to clean .local / .config`
`01:14.43`	`voidprayer`	`.kde .config that should be all`
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`01:15.09`	`mickael9`	`http://chakra-project.org/code/index.php/view/packages:/core/kde-common/kdemod-backup.sh voidprayer`
`01:15.15`	`mickael9`	`it's a kdialog bash script`
`01:15.19`	`mickael9`	`but It looks good`
`01:15.32`	`mickael9`	`it doesn't backup much of the config though :/`
`01:15.40`	`mickael9`	`konversation etc`
`01:16.21`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: I see. better than none. save it.`
`01:16.31`	`mickael9`	`as I said`
`01:16.33`	`mickael9`	`I won't rm it`
`01:16.34`	`mickael9`	`only mv it`
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`01:17.32`	`mickael9`	`and this script is already installed with kdemod-common in /usr/bin :P`
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`01:18.39`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: i am under gentoo. i should copy it.`
`01:18.47`	`mickael9`	`?`
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`01:21.26`	`mickael9`	`wow`
`01:21.35`	`mickael9`	`238 occurences of .kde4 in .kdemod4 folder :D`
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`01:22.20`	`mickael9`	`gonna run sed -i :D`
`01:22.24`	`apollos84`	`Hello my fellow KDE'rs`
`01:22.55`	`mickael9`	`argh`
`01:23.04`	`mickael9`	`sed doesn't do recursive replaces`
`01:25.25`	`mickael9`	`heh`
`01:25.31`	`mickael9`	`zsh does recursive file matching o/`
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`01:28.05`	`mickael9`	`well voidprayer, this backup tool does a pretty good minimal backup, I will use the complete backup to restore the rest`
`01:28.37`	`mickael9`	`omg.`
`01:28.54`	`voidprayer`	`what's wrong?`
`01:28.57`	`mickael9`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 mickael users 69M 2009-08-19 03:27 config_backup.tar.gz`
`01:28.59`	`mickael9`	`:D`
`01:29.00`	`mickael9`	`69 M`
`01:29.21`	`mickael9`	`that's ~/.kdemod4 ~/.config and ~/.local`
`01:29.22`	`voidprayer`	`that's not that big. gentoo user always has a giant dist directory.`
`01:31.22`	`mickael9`	`okay`
`01:31.28`	`mickael9`	`logging out and rming`
`01:31.36`	`mickael9`	`will use the other user to run konversation :D`
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`01:34.42`	`mickael9`	`let's start the massacre :p`
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`01:35.20`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: hope you can solve it soon.`
`01:35.23`	`Simkin`	`is konversation scriptable?`
`01:35.31`	`mickael9`	`I think it is`
`01:35.36`	`Simkin`	`hrm`
`01:35.39`	`mickael9`	`at least`
`01:35.40`	`Simkin`	`i can't find anything in the menus`
`01:35.46`	`mickael9`	`you can use dbus`
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`01:35.50`	`Simkin`	`i'mtrying to make a join on kick`
`01:35.51`	`mickael9`	`to pilot konversation`
`01:36.05`	`Simkin`	`is there an equivilant to kdcop`
`01:36.13`	`mickael9`	`If I remember correctly, there was a new framework introduced into kde4`
`01:36.14`	`Simkin`	`that will let me start playing with dbus quickly?`
`01:36.35`	`mickael9`	`that would allow scriptingg applications with a minimum effort from the developer`
`01:36.42`	`mickael9`	`use qdbus`
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`01:37.17`	`mickael9`	`qdbusviewer is the gui`
`01:37.18`	`Simkin`	`no gui version?`
`01:37.19`	`Simkin`	`ok`
`01:37.21`	`Simkin`	`i will be with it`
`01:37.22`	`Simkin`	`oh`
`01:37.26`	`Simkin`	`:)`
`01:37.30`	`Sho_`	`D-Feet is a better GUI`
`01:37.35`	`Sho_`	`if sadly not Qt`
`01:38.19`	`mickael9`	`ah got it`
`01:38.24`	`mickael9`	`the framework is Kross`
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`01:39.06`	`Simkin`	`awww`
`01:39.09`	`Simkin`	`i can't run d-feet`
`01:39.14`	`Simkin`	`some dependancy isn't met with python`
`01:39.17`	`Simkin`	`i'll have to figure it out later`
`01:39.22`	`Simkin`	`thanks guys`
`01:40.05`	`axiom`	`Second time trying to upgrade to KDE 4.3.0, still get no window decorations. .kde folder was deleted. Advice? (#kubuntu seems quiet)`
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`01:40.28`	`Simkin`	`axiom: try runnin kwin from command line`
`01:40.36`	`Simkin`	`axiom: kwin --replace specifically`
`01:40.40`	`axiom`	`it won't let me type anything`
`01:40.42`	`Simkin`	`see if it gives error messgaes of any sort`
`01:40.55`	`Simkin`	`you can't run xterm or konsole?`
`01:40.59`	`axiom`	`I'm in gnome at the moment`
`01:41.07`	`mickael9`	`login in a virtual console`
`01:41.09`	`axiom`	`I can run console, but I can't type`
`01:41.12`	`mickael9`	`Ctrl-Alt-F1`
`01:41.15`	`Simkin`	`axiom: ok, try starting up in 'safe mode'`
`01:41.21`	`mickael9`	`Alt-F7 to go back to X`
`01:41.26`	`Simkin`	`then from there run 'startkde'`
`01:41.37`	`Simkin`	`safe mode should give you just a xterm`
`01:41.56`	`axiom`	`kwin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kwin.so: undefined symbol: _ZTI26KDecorationFactoryUnstable`
`01:41.58`	`Simkin`	`then if you run startkde you will hopefully see the error message(s) about kwin.`
`01:42.07`	`Simkin`	`cool`
`01:42.12`	`axiom`	`that is from gnome, does that tell you anything?`
`01:42.19`	`Simkin`	`not me`
`01:42.25`	`Simkin`	`but i'm sure it is useful to someone in here!`
`01:42.33`	`mickael9`	`Simkin: I did some searches and konv doesn't has scripting support`
`01:42.37`	`Simkin`	`if you can find out what package libkdeinit4_kwin belongs too`
`01:42.43`	`Simkin`	`and then upgrade that package`
`01:42.47`	`mickael9`	`except with dbus`
`01:42.47`	`Simkin`	`i'd guess that would fix your problem`
`01:42.51`	`mickael9`	`but you won't have callbacks`
`01:42.56`	`Simkin`	`mickael9: i'll have to give that a wack.`
`01:43.03`	`Simkin`	`mickael9: maybe i can enumarate joined channels`
`01:43.10`	`Simkin`	`compare against a master channel list`
`01:43.11`	`mickael9`	`yes`
`01:43.13`	`Simkin`	`and rejoin that way`
`01:43.28`	`Simkin`	`but that is kinda sad`
`01:43.38`	`axiom`	`libkdecorations4 was suggested, but I already have that`
`01:43.51`	`Simkin`	`axiom: find out what libkdeinit4_kwin belongs too`
`01:43.57`	`Simkin`	`axiom: what distro are you using?`
`01:44.03`	`axiom`	`kubuntu`
`01:44.14`	`Simkin`	`axiom: this is off topic in this channel.. but`
`01:44.24`	`Simkin`	`axiom: i've found using ubuntu and install kde is far better than using kubuntu.`
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`01:44.25`	`kdepepo`	`axiom, still looks like a version mismatch, either you upgraded while the repo was half way upgraded, or you did not upgrade all KDE packages.`
`01:44.59`	`axiom`	`I followed the instructions on this page http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3`
`01:45.47`	`Simkin`	`axiom: try a apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade`
`01:46.06`	`Simkin`	`it's most likely that will fix all your package consitency problems (which it looks like is your problem).`
`01:46.27`	`mickael9`	`Simkin: dbus interface looks very limited`
`01:46.35`	`mickael9`	`I don't see a way of listing channels :/`
`01:46.39`	`Simkin`	`mickael9: yah :(`
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`01:46.43`	`Simkin`	`dcop was soo cool`
`01:46.53`	`mickael9`	`but hey`
`01:46.57`	`Simkin`	`i wonder if i could still use dcop`
`01:47.02`	`mickael9`	`no`
`01:47.07`	`Simkin`	`guess not :)`
`01:47.13`	`mickael9`	`well not with konversation 4`
`01:47.25`	`mickael9`	`if you're still using konversation 3, then you can`
`01:48.29`	`mickael9`	`anyway`
`01:48.32`	`mickael9`	`it's planned`
`01:48.37`	`mickael9`	`found a mailing list message`
`01:48.44`	`mickael9`	`Â« We intend to use Kross, yes. Â»`
`01:49.06`	`mickael9`	`http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/konversation-devel/2008-May/002130.html`
`01:49.23`	`Sho_`	`Konversation's D-Bus interface is equivalent to the older DCOP interface`
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`02:00.00`	`Spaceghost`	`hi`
`02:00.17`	`Spaceghost`	`how I can change the keyboard language in kde 4.3?`
`02:00.32`	`mickael9`	`kay voidprayer, I copied my configs`
`02:00.42`	`mickael9`	`now logging again :)`
`02:00.42`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: and?`
`02:00.45`	`MadGirl`	`i guess and is it safe to unmask it`
`02:00.58`	`mickael9`	`at least I will have a clean configuration now`
`02:01.10`	`mickael9`	`I should have done that earlier`
`02:01.11`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: everything works?`
`02:01.11`	`Spaceghost`	`where?`
`02:01.16`	`mickael9`	`I didn't try voidprayer :D`
`02:01.23`	`voidprayer`	`...`
`02:01.45`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: only update and reboot and everything work fine?`
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`02:03.45`	`axiom`	`Simkin: Thank so much, that worked!`
`02:03.47`	`SJr`	`I hope It's just that I'm drunk, but did they really get rid of the menu bars in Konqueror in KDE 4.3?`
`02:04.15`	`SJr`	`like there is no File, Edit, View?`
`02:05.25`	`Spaceghost`	`SJr: you are talking me?`
`02:06.01`	`Jucato`	`SJr: of course not. you must have pressed Ctrl+M by accident`
`02:06.20`	`SJr`	`Oh my god thank god`
`02:06.24`	`SJr`	`I was about to cry again`
`02:06.25`	`Jucato`	`(KDE has had that feature on some apps for a long, long time)`
`02:06.35`	`SJr`	`the same tears I shed when I first ran 4.0 :)`
`02:06.49`	`SJr`	`but anyway, that fixed it and wow I love KDE 4.3 :)`
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`02:09.55`	`Shirakawasuna`	`I've had the menu disappear from konqueror before, I swear I didn't press ctrl+M :D. Freaked me out, too!`
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`02:11.32`	mickael9`	`it works voidprayer :)`
`02:11.38`	`voidprayer`	`mickael9: congrats`
`02:11.46`	`voidprayer`	`anyone use daisy?`
`02:12.05`	`mickael9`	`what's daisy ?`
`02:12.06`	`MadGirl`	`well, daisy is one such plasmoid`
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`02:15.08`	`voidprayer`	`daisy is a dock plasmoid`
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`02:15.46`	`SJr`	`It doesn't matter, all is well in the world`
`02:16.02`	`SJr`	`KDE 4.3 is the sexiest UI ever`
`02:16.17`	`SJr`	`and my new server is the sexiest machine ever, I seem to be associated with alot of sexy things`
`02:16.32`	`voidprayer`	`...`
`02:16.43`	`SJr`	`?`
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`02:34.54`	`Simkin`	`SJr, 4.3 IS HOT`
`02:35.11`	`SJr`	`I would certainly hit it`
`02:35.29`	`Simkin`	`there is only one thing left that i still preffered in 3.5.10! and that's that kicker had a "launcher"`
`02:35.39`	`Simkin`	`you could just typ ein a command, and it'd work just like alt-f2!`
`02:35.45`	`Simkin`	`other than that. 4.3 is PERFECT.`
`02:37.22`	`Simkin`	`uh`
`02:37.25`	`Simkin`	`i take it back`
`02:37.28`	`Jucato`	`there was a krunner plasmoid floating around in kde-look/kde-apps some time ago`
`02:37.30`	`Simkin`	`konversation is using 100% of a cpu`
`02:37.33`	`Simkin`	`what is going!?`
`02:37.38`	`Jucato`	`dunno if it's updated to work on 4.3`
`02:37.46`	`Simkin`	`Jucato: ooh, i'll have to check that out.`
`02:37.47`	`mickael9`	`Simkin : strange`
`02:37.50`	`mickael9`	`never had this problem`
`02:38.24`	`mickael9`	`are you using the latest beta ?`
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`03:00.44`	`Moult`	`duncan: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4049`
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`03:03.24`	`hatta`	`how can I make konqueror show me the '..' file?`
`03:04.06`	`hatta`	`.. is awfully hard to google`
`03:04.39`	`mickael9`	`it's not possible`
`03:04.47`	`mickael9`	`but you can add a Up button`
`03:04.56`	`mickael9`	`to konqueror toolbar`
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`03:06.02`	`hatta`	`really? god`
`03:06.10`	`hatta`	`that's awfully inconvenient`
`03:06.21`	`hatta`	`I've been using '..' to go up directories for over 20 years`
`03:06.30`	`hatta`	`it's not even an option?`
`03:06.48`	`hatta`	`how hard would that be?`
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`03:07.41`	`Jucato`	`harder to put an up button or press Alt+Up?`
`03:08.51`	`hatta`	`I have an up button, I just have to move my mouse curser from one side of the screen to the other to use it`
`03:09.00`	`hatta`	`alt-up, I have to take a hand off the mouse`
`03:09.32`	`hatta`	`'..' should be right there in the file list where I'm looking and hovering the mouse anyway`
`03:09.35`	`hatta`	`but whatever`
`03:09.47`	`hatta`	`I'll stick with bash`
`03:10.44`	`mickael9`	`why not try mouse gestures btw?`
`03:11.37`	`hatta`	`20 years of habit`
`03:12.41`	`Jucato`	`of clicking on .. ?`
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`03:13.22`	`hatta`	`of using .. to go up a directory, but clicking on .. for almost as long`
`03:13.37`	`hatta`	`I don't remember ever using a gui file manager that didn't have ..`
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`03:14.44`	`mickael9`	`submit a feature request.`
`03:14.47`	`Sho_`	`hatta: you might like Krusader`
`03:14.51`	`Sho_`	`iirc it shows ".."`
`03:15.05`	`Jucato`	`the only ones that do would be the old command-type file managers`
`03:15.20`	`hatta`	`I've been using krusader actually, it's kind of buggy`
`03:15.23`	`Jucato`	`(and those would be around 20 years old or so, so yeah, that would be the right number of years :)`
`03:15.49`	`Sho_`	`hatta: http://www.krusader.org/screenshots.php?limit=3&next=1`
`03:15.59`	`hatta`	`I use xp at work, it shows ..`
`03:16.19`	`Sho_`	`xp doesn't show ".."`
`03:16.21`	`Jucato`	`it does?`
`03:16.37`	`mickael9`	`no`
`03:17.03`	`mickael9`	`http://www.terryscomputertips.com/images/newsletters/windows-explorer-write-cd1.jpg`
`03:17.22`	`mickael9`	`oh well`
`03:17.24`	`mickael9`	`C:\`
`03:17.25`	`mickael9`	`bad choice`
`03:17.27`	`mickael9`	`:D`
`03:17.40`	`Sho_`	`it generally doesn't`
`03:17.45`	`Sho_`	`is on xp right now`
`03:18.18`	`Jucato`	`unless he's using a different file manager or has enabled some god-mode option`
`03:18.21`	`mickael9`	`haha that's amazing`
`03:18.35`	`mickael9`	`searching XP explorer on google I only get screenshots browsing C:\`
`03:18.39`	`mickael9`	`the root...`
`03:18.46`	`hatta`	`that's weird`
`03:19.14`	`androide`	`that's by far what does best`
`03:19.14`	`mickael9`	`but really hatta`
`03:19.19`	`mickael9`	`I sometimes have to use ..`
`03:19.31`	`mickael9`	`gtk file dialog etc`
`03:19.37`	`Sho_`	`the last version of windows to show ".." was 3.1.1 in fileman.exe`
`03:19.38`	`mickael9`	`and sometimes I just have to scroll to find ..`
`03:19.48`	`Sho_`	`*3.11`
`03:19.48`	`mickael9`	`having .. in toolbar is just better`
`03:20.00`	`mickael9`	`:D Sho_`
`03:21.10`	`Sho_`	`actually think fileman.exe was included up to win2k, but not as default file manager of course`
`03:21.52`	`mickael9`	`I don't have it on my XP partition`
`03:21.53`	`mickael9`	`:P`
`03:22.01`	`hatta`	`wow, you're right`
`03:22.05`	`mickael9`	`:D`
`03:22.17`	`hatta`	`I dunno how I used XP all this time without noticing that`
`03:22.29`	`mickael9`	`just do the same with KDE.`
`03:22.33`	`Sho_`	`hatta: i imagine you'll get used to kde then, too ;)`
`03:22.35`	`Jucato`	`so much for the 20 years argument :P`
`03:22.38`	`hatta`	`.. in file list is still better`
`03:22.45`	`hatta`	`it's closer`
`03:22.55`	`mickael9`	`mouse gestures aren't!`
`03:23.00`	`mickael9`	`well yes they are...`
`03:23.01`	`mickael9`	`closer`
`03:23.07`	`mickael9`	`just a move and voila`
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`03:23.27`	`Jucato`	`hatta: if you use Dolphin + List view, you can just click on the parent folder at the top (breadcrumb bar)`
`03:23.46`	`Jucato`	`that's not as far as the toolbar and would theoretically be in the same line as any .. folder`
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`03:24.10`	`hatta`	`hm, that's not bad actually`
`03:24.49`	`mickael9`	`do you actually pay your mouse bandwith hatta ? :-Â°`
`03:25.51`	`hatta`	`heh, closer is easier`
`03:26.16`	`mickael9`	`you should try speech recognition softwares`
`03:26.22`	`mickael9`	`:D`
`03:26.27`	`hatta`	`I'll try dolphin for a while`
`03:26.53`	`hatta`	`is there even any open source speech recognition software?`
`03:27.01`	`mickael9`	`I think there are`
`03:27.07`	`mickael9`	`not much but they exist`
`03:27.22`	`hatta`	`they're probably about as good as the open source OCR programs`
`03:27.27`	`hatta`	`which is not very`
`03:27.28`	`mickael9`	`:D`
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`03:28.12`	`Sho_`	`hatta: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/simon+(Speech+Interaction+Daemon)?content=73815`
`03:28.19`	`mickael9`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_recognition_in_Linux`
`03:29.27`	`hatta`	`of course, if you're controlling your computer with commands, it's probably just easier to use the command line`
`03:29.46`	`mickael9`	`the GUI is sweet`
`03:30.20`	`mickael9`	`hatta : you can make it do Alt-Up when saying "Parent directory" for instance`
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`03:31.41`	`hatta`	`cause saying 7 syllables is so much easier than clicking the mouse`
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`03:33.41`	`Jucato`	`"Up"`
`03:33.51`	`Jucato`	`"Parent"`
`03:35.11`	`mickael9`	`dot dot`
`03:35.12`	`mickael9`	`:D`
`03:35.32`	`hatta`	`haha`
`03:37.28`	`Jucato`	`in some file managers, iirc it would be "up arrow"`
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`03:38.06`	`Jucato`	`(iirc some put an up arrow beside or instead of the dot dot)`
`03:40.59`	`mickael9`	`going to bed`
`03:41.02`	`mickael9`	`see ya guys`
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`03:41.30`	`hatta`	`enjoy`
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`03:43.53`	`hatta`	`dolpin even does dual pane, sweet`
`03:45.33`	`hatta`	`now, can it do "calculate occupied space" on directories and sort them like krusader (or du -sc * \| sort -n)?`
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`04:45.17`	`Guest13469`	`help`
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`04:59.13`	`thenthenio`	`In KDE3.5 in a script I have this: dcop kicker kicker showKMenu to open KMenu, what should I do now in KDE4.2?`
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`05:08.43`	`thenthenio`	`In KDE3.5 in a script I have this: dcop kicker kicker showKMenu to open KMenu, what should I do now in KDE4.2?`
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`05:17.04`	`N9NU`	`is away: Im busy trying to fucking sleep...now gimme a chance eh?`
`05:17.47`	`Jucato`	`N9NU: please turn off your public away message`
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`05:18.20`	`N9NU`	`is trying to sleep and is unable to move any of his arms or legs at this time`
`05:18.36`	`N9NU`	`would you like me to kill him for you?`
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`05:19.28`	`thenthenio`	`In KDE3.5 in a script I have this: dcop kicker kicker showKMenu to open KMenu, what should I do now in KDE4.2?`
`05:19.53`	`Jucato`	`N9NU: yes please. but not so brutally :)`
`05:20.09`	`Jucato`	`thenthenio: atm, there doesn't seem to be any way using D-Bus (KDE 4 no longer uses DCOP)`
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`05:20.53`	`thenthenio`	`I know, but these should be a D-Bus way...`
`05:21.01`	`thenthenio`	`*there`
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`05:23.41`	`thenthenio`	`Similarly I should have commands for logout, poweroff. etc. in D-Bus too!`
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`06:22.44`	`melik`	`hey guys im on KDE 4.3 and all my GTK apps have these weird gray boxes in the system tray`
`06:22.50`	`melik`	`is that a bug?`
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`06:32.39`	`Foriskak`	`melik: I get this too sometimes, have not debugged it yet since logging out/in fixes it and the session manager is pretty good`
`06:33.12`	`melik`	`no mine always stays like that Foriskak`
`06:33.21`	`melik`	`for example banshee just has a plain gray box`
`06:33.31`	`melik`	`and pidgin has a gray box around it`
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`07:56.24`	`eMyller`	`can i 'upgrade' from my stable jaunty to karmic alpha 4?`
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`07:59.22`	`alban_`	`Hi, what is the channel for kdepim ? i tried #kdepim but nobody's there`
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`08:01.01`	`Jucato`	`alban_: #kontact`
`08:01.10`	`Jucato`	`eMyller: please ask in #kubuntu`
`08:01.37`	`eMyller`	`Jucato: i did. no response. just wondered if someone here already did that.`
`08:02.34`	`Jucato`	`not really the proper place to ask though. and judging by the replies you got in here, you'd have better luck waiting it out in #kubuntu (or even trying in #ubuntu)`
`08:03.16`	`eMyller`	`i just changed the "jaunty" references in my sources.list to "karmic" and it's now running a dist-upgrade. hope it goes ok.`
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`08:03.36`	`eMyller`	`Jucato: i asked in #ubuntu+1 too, but anyway, thanks for your attention :)`
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`08:04.46`	`alban_`	`Jucato: thx !`
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`08:52.26`	`lasith`	`Hi guys, need help on remote desktop in kde`
`08:52.59`	`lasith`	`when i use krfb, client side screen is not very clear`
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`09:39.35`	`poutsi`	`hey, it seems like KDE 4.3 now has this desktop switch indicator that comes up whenever I change to another desktop, how can I turn that off?`
`09:40.02`	`poutsi`	`I mean sort of like a pager overlaid in the center of my scren`
`09:40.05`	`poutsi`	`screen, even`
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`09:41.23`	`Jucato`	`System Settings -> Window Behavior -> uncheck Show desktop name when switching desktops`
`09:41.49`	`st4n`	`Hi, is there a way to display the kde desktop remotely on another pc?`
`09:42.44`	`st4n`	`typically, I would like to access my kde desktop from a windows pc`
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`09:46.25`	`poutsi`	`Jucato, thanks, that was it... oddly enough it was unchecked, but once I checked and unchecked it again, it went away`
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`10:11.42`	`crashev`	`i ran out of diskspace and after restartin I lost my kde menu - how to recover it ?`
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`10:24.39`	`Dumble`	`Hello world !`
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`11:08.26`	`lemma`	`crashev: right click the application launcher icon (K or whatever you set it to), open the menu editor and try Edit -> Restore to system menu`
`11:11.33`	`Rasi`	`is there any way to speed up the start of firefox in kde?`
`11:11.35`	`Rasi`	`i dont get it`
`11:11.40`	`Rasi`	`it needs 15 seconds`
`11:11.50`	`Rasi`	`in gnome/openbox/etc it starts in like 2 seconds`
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`11:16.03`	`poutsi`	`Rasi, "strace firefox", see where it hangs and file a bug?`
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`11:22.43`	`rmrfchik`	`can't select in konsole with shift+mouse`
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`11:23.09`	`rmrfchik`	`any ideas?`
`11:23.14`	`roberth`	`rmrfchik: qt 4.5.2?`
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`11:24.16`	`rmrfchik`	`roberth: yes`
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`11:24.45`	`roberth`	`it's a known qt bug.`
`11:25.01`	`roberth`	`it'll be fixed in the next qt release.`
`11:25.09`	`rmrfchik`	`ah. ok, thanks`
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`11:26.13`	`szal`	`Qt 4.5.4 exists :P`
`11:27.23`	`rmrfchik`	`roberth: do you know bug number?`
`11:27.51`	`szal`	`ah, my bad, that was python-qt4`
`11:28.05`	`kavurt`	`kde doesn't have a gui tool to disable touchpad tapping. does anybody know if there's an ongoing effort or intention to create such a tool?`
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`11:28.51`	`roberth`	`rmrfchik: no, but http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/9e5fa633913ef952ca4ef5312fe396bcfc885321 might be helpful`
`11:30.06`	`rmrfchik`	`i think my problem is not in clipboard but in shift key which is treat as regular key rather then "state" key`
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`11:31.11`	`rmrfchik`	`which I press&hold shift it seems like konsole start to recieve repeated events`
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`11:32.12`	`Rasi`	`hmm`
`11:32.55`	`rmrfchik`	`just logged into debian on virtualbox and run xev`
`11:33.08`	`rmrfchik`	`pressed&holded shift gives 1 event`
`11:33.30`	`rmrfchik`	`seems like it's not kde/qt problem but x11`
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`11:42.26`	`Fleck`	`hey - krdc ignores connection type in LAN`
`11:42.53`	`Fleck`	`i have problem with this because i have vpn`
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`11:43.01`	`Fleck`	`and remote host is in my lan`
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`11:50.15`	`kriko`	`hm I copied some music to ~/Music/`
`11:50.23`	`kriko`	`and now amarok is using it as colletion`
`11:50.30`	`kriko`	`though isn't checked`
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`11:55.16`	`eshat`	`Hi all. I have no truetype font when I type my username and passwort at KDM on debian sid (since update to KDE 4.3), any workaround ?`
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`12:00.00`	`st4n`	`Hi, I'm accessing remotely my kde desktop with krfb and tightvnc client. The connexion is ok but the screen is odd, with strange colors, I cannot use the desktop`
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`12:04.06`	`Kraplax`	`hi everyone`
`12:04.18`	`Kraplax`	`i have troubles with KDE4 on Eee 900`
`12:04.31`	`Kraplax`	`recently i updated my Archlinux system`
`12:04.51`	`Kraplax`	`and KDE lost my HDAIntel() device`
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`12:05.40`	`soulchild`	`I still have no truetype font when typing in KDM on KDE 4.3, nobody's got the same problem ?`
`12:05.41`	`Kraplax`	`why could that have happened and, what's more important, how can i make KDE see it again?`
`12:06.25`	`Kraplax`	`soulchild: truetype? maybe you should've defined font paths in xorg.conf?`
`12:06.56`	`Kraplax`	`aplay works fine`
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`12:07.19`	`Kraplax`	`and i blocked kernel from updates, beause iuse my self-compiled kernel`
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`12:09.07`	`Kraplax`	`any ideas about that?`
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`12:10.13`	`tango_`	`hello all, a couple of quesionts`
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`12:10.53`	`tango_`	`(1) the session manager seems to forget that klipper is loaded each time. I've set it to restore the old session on startup, but I always have to start klipper manually`
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`12:11.22`	`tango_`	`(2) the 'Home' link in my Desktop View widget doesn't work: nothing happens if I click the icon, or if I right-click on it and choose Open. suggestions?`
`12:11.48`	`tango_`	`(it works e.g. from Lancelot)`
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`12:15.12`	`bronze`	`Hi all, just posticed this process running command line "kwrapper ksmserver " from a ps ax, What does these do? [ or where can i find a description/summarry of what all these kde parts are ]`
`12:15.23`	`bronze`	`s/postices/noticed`
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`12:31.44`	`Stubenhocker`	`hi!`
`12:32.16`	`Stubenhocker`	`is there a way to disable kdedglobalaccel? it has a bug that simulates a sticky ctrl from time to time`
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`12:36.39`	`ttf`	`hi.. I just installed kde4 (4.3.0 - debian unstable) - how can I move widgets (like the clock) in the panel?`
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`12:37.28`	`ttf`	`middle-mouse-button-dragging does not work and a right-click doesn't offer a menu to move the widget`
`12:37.38`	`poutsi`	`ttf, right click the panel, unlock widgets if locked, then select panel settings`
`12:38.30`	`ttf`	`ah - okay - tnx`
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`12:41.25`	`poutsi`	`hth`
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`12:48.25`	`kyxzme`	`Hello`
`12:48.34`	`kyxzme`	`i've just upgraded kde to 4`
`12:48.51`	`kyxzme`	`do you know how import kmail settings and rules into kmail4 from 3?`
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`12:53.33`	`tango_`	`kyxzme, in my case they were imported automatically`
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`13:18.13`	`ttf`	`where can I set shortcuts for desktop-switching in kde4?`
`13:19.06`	`poutsi`	`ttf, system settings -> keyboard and mouse -> global keyboard shortcuts -> kwin`
`13:19.18`	`poutsi`	`(translating from finnish in my head, blame that for inaccuracy)`
`13:20.24`	`ttf`	`ah - okay`
`13:20.44`	`ttf`	`have been close - just did not think it would be related to kwin - but makes sense..`
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`13:33.14`	`Rasi`	`slow firefox was my own fault`
`13:33.21`	`Rasi`	`i didnt have my hostname set in /etc/hosts`
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`13:48.30`	`user628`	`hey guys if your bored try facebook zombies :D - http://apps.facebook.com/zombies/links.php?r=719927515&nref=st`
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`13:58.16`	`pinotree`	`Voziv: #gentoo-kde`
`13:58.42`	`Voziv`	`thanks pinotree`
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`14:40.23`	`_spm_Draget`	`Does anyone know the bug that states that fish is broken in 4.3?`
`14:40.36`	`pinotree`	`yeah, fixed for kde 4.3.1`
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`14:44.00`	`_spm_Draget`	`Got a bug# ?`
`14:45.29`	`pinotree`	`https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189235`
`14:45.49`	`_spm_Draget`	`Thanks`
`14:45.59`	`_spm_Draget`	`It is a critical bug in my eyes, since it might delete whole files when used over fish. I trashed a file via fish on my server. And the KDE-Networkconnection manageer suggest 'ssh' and creates a fish connection for this by default, not a sftp connection.`
`14:46.17`	`pinotree`	`didn't i tell you it was fixed?`
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`14:47.32`	`_spm_Draget`	`Yes, just wondering why no distro I know warns about this in their IRC or something =/`
`14:47.56`	`Torch`	`_spm_Draget: distributions generally don't do that in my experience`
`14:47.59`	`kdepepo`	`Which distro ships KDE 4.3?`
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`14:52.09`	`frojnd`	`Hello there.`
`14:52.17`	`frojnd`	`I don't know how can I point this out...`
`14:52.44`	`frojnd`	`WHeneever I try to fish:// copy some file to my computer transfer stops...`
`14:53.20`	`frojnd`	`I hoped this bug will be solved in kde 4.3.0 but apperantly it isn't`
`14:53.40`	`frojnd`	`I don't know how can I report this as a bug since the program (konqueror) won't collapse..`
`14:53.53`	`Jucato`	`[22:45] <pinotree> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189235`
`14:54.03`	`frojnd`	`but in notifications I can see that transfer stops...`
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`14:54.12`	`frojnd`	`scp never failed me till know...`
`14:54.19`	`Torch`	`frojnd: you can just report bugs on bugs.kde.org with a browser. you don't need to use the crash manager to report bugs.`
`14:54.29`	`frojnd`	`However it would be nice to had working fish:// protocol in konqueror`
`14:54.56`	`Jucato`	`(and actually there's a Help -> Report Bug in the menu...)`
`14:55.19`	`frojnd`	`Are there any kde devs here?`
`14:55.45`	`Jucato`	`frojnd: why do you need kde devs to be here?`
`14:56.01`	`frojnd`	`I can't belive that they failed on this one :)`
`14:56.13`	`Torch`	`frojnd: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189235`
`14:56.15`	`jonw`	`I stopped using fish and started using sftp`
`14:56.16`	`frojnd`	`I mean kde stuff is bigger..`
`14:56.21`	`Jucato`	`[22:54] <Jucato> [22:45] <pinotree> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189235`
`14:56.23`	`jonw`	`sftp:// works just like fish`
`14:56.26`	`frojnd`	`jonw: I never really used fish...`
`14:58.04`	`frojnd`	`jonw: sftp than`
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`14:58.17`	`_spm_Draget`	`Well, the KDE networkconnection manager creates a fish:// connection by default`
`14:58.27`	`frojnd`	`I'll try to transfer 25gb file and if it's working than this is it..`
`14:58.45`	`Torch`	`recommends rsync for that and nothing else ;-)`
`14:59.04`	`Torch`	`... unless kio_fish and kio_sftp resume, that is...`
`14:59.12`	`frojnd`	`Torch: nice idea,... kde could have rsync implementation in konqueror..`
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`14:59.15`	`Jucato`	`what kde networkconnection manager?`
`14:59.57`	`frojnd`	`ok..`
`15:00.05`	`Torch`	`frojnd: maybe. on the other hand, rsync's strength is its myriad of options and flexibility. how to reproduce that in a kio slave?`
`15:00.15`	`frojnd`	`wow... why sftp works so much faster while browsing than fish?`
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`15:00.31`	`Torch`	`frojnd: it doesn't have to go through a perl server for starters.`
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`15:00.32`	`Jucato`	`(because fish is basically a "hack" iirc)`
`15:00.34`	`frojnd`	`Torch: right button click`
`15:00.38`	`jonw`	`You even get better speed from command line`
`15:00.44`	`frojnd`	`Torch: maybe at login promt a little bit more options..`
`15:00.50`	`frojnd`	`jonw: true..`
`15:00.56`	`Jucato`	`Torch: how to reproduce? a kcm with options for the kioslave :)`
`15:01.03`	`Jucato`	`just like audiocd:/`
`15:01.06`	`frojnd`	`but not alweays is nice to watch a lot of files through CLO`
`15:01.11`	`frojnd`	`CLI, typo`
`15:02.20`	`jonw`	`If there are more than one file I use scp on CLI with the recurs. option`
`15:02.51`	`frojnd`	`jonw: fish didn't get well with multiple files either`
`15:03.00`	`frojnd`	`scp always did on the other hand`
`15:03.12`	`frojnd`	`but I'll try sftp`
`15:04.49`	`frojnd`	`First impressions, speed is not 11MB/s as I'm used with scp but 7MB to 8MB which is still better than fish with 5MB`
`15:05.27`	`frojnd`	`Why exactly is speed low with fish or sftp?`
`15:05.38`	`frojnd`	`not like scp which gives the full speed..`
`15:06.25`	`Torch`	`frojnd: fish works by copying a small server writtin in perl to the server. all data then goes through that perl server (all iirc, it's been a long time i looked at that)`
`15:06.44`	`Torch`	`frojnd: the implementation might not be optimal.`
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`15:07.17`	`Torch`	`frojnd: sftp is a feature provided by openssh (also iirc). the sftp implementation in KDE might also not be as good as scp.`
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`15:08.20`	`Jucato`	`scp may or may not be actually using sftp as well afaik`
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`15:12.17`	`frojnd`	`Ok. I'm waiting for a full speed or nearly full speed DE application that handels ssh protocol :)`
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`15:13.33`	`Torch`	`frojnd: what do you pay per hour? ;-)`
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`15:13.58`	`peacenik`	`hi - I was playing around with systemsettings in kde4 (slackware64-current) and tried to see what gtk would do. As soon as I clicked "apply" I was gone from kde. I checked to see if I could find the file to change - thought it might be ~/.kde/share/config/systemsettingsrc - but that didn't work - could anyone point me toward the right file?`
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`15:14.57`	`peacenik`	`I think that the kde version is 4.2 . . .`
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`15:18.48`	`peacenik`	`kde 4.2.4 is what it seems`
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`15:19.20`	`djd92l`	`Hi!`
`15:20.05`	`frojnd`	`Torch: depends of the complicity and nice code written :)`
`15:20.11`	`apricot`	`hi, I changed the way to activate a window with left mouse-button. Now I can ONLY activate a windows by clicking in the Title-Bar of the window. How to change it, so it will be activated by clicking anywhere in the window`
`15:20.17`	`djd92l`	`Does anyone know why I can't save any Kate-Session under KDE 4.3.0 final? It worked with -rc3.`
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`15:20.36`	`frojnd`	`Torch: and in the end depens of the does it work/or does it not work fully :P`
`15:21.02`	`Torch`	`frojnd: that's not how the concept of "paying by the hour" works, though... ;-)`
`15:21.32`	`frojnd`	`Torch: not indirectly but you can sum it at the end and devine it..`
`15:21.33`	`frojnd`	`:P`
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`15:22.58`	`frojnd`	`bbl`
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`15:26.48`	`apricot`	`hi, accidently I changed the way to activate a window with left mouse-button. Now I can ONLY activate a windows by clicking in the Title-Bar of the window. How to change it, so it will be activated by clicking anywhere in the window`
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`15:29.13`	`Jucato`	`apricot: what's the setting in System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Window Actions tab -> Inactive Inner Window -> Left buton?`
`15:29.21`	`Jucato`	`button*`
`15:29.48`	`apricot`	`moment - I got a german Version :)`
`15:30.00`	`Jucato`	`would be the 3rd tab, then the first option at the top`
`15:30.57`	`Jucato`	`It should be set to Activate, Raise, and Pass Click (dunno the German)`
`15:31.34`	`kdepepo`	`or his "alt" or "ctrl" keys are stuck (kde global shortcuts bug)`
`15:31.50`	`Jucato`	`oh...`
`15:32.00`	`Jucato`	`(dunno that one :))`
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`15:35.08`	`apricot`	`Jucato, I can't find it in german version ... it's KDE-4.2`
`15:35.26`	`djd92l`	`[resent] Does anyone know why I can't save any Kate-Session under KDE 4.3.0 final? It worked with -rc3.`
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`15:39.26`	`mickael9`	`apricot :`
`15:39.34`	`mickael9`	`run LANGUAGE=en systemsettings`
`15:39.37`	`mickael9`	`in a terminal`
`15:39.50`	`mickael9`	`mh`
`15:39.51`	`mickael9`	`wait`
`15:40.47`	`mickael9`	`damn T_T`
`15:41.13`	`mickael9`	`just change the language apricot :D`
`15:41.20`	`mickael9`	`and put it back to english afterwards`
`15:41.27`	`mickael9`	`to german*`
`15:41.37`	`apricot`	`ok I try t...`
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`15:42.48`	`sitaram`	`hi all; if I'm not using the plasma popup, is there any way to get "kdialog --passivepopup" from popping up at the top of the screen instead of in the middle?`
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`15:43.23`	`apricot`	`mikala, sorry LANGUAGE=en systemsettings does not work. It remans german`
`15:44.10`	`mr_clark`	`Hi guys. Not sure if this is the right place to ask but I tried in #suse with no luck. I'm running 4.3. Love it. But I can't seem to use the middle mouse button to paste from Konsole (and Yakuake). I can do it in other apps but not Konsole. This is on opensuse 11.1 64 bit. Same issue on two machines.`
`15:44.17`	`kdepepo`	`sitaram, does the "--geometry" option work?`
`15:44.24`	`apricot`	`ok did it as user :)`
`15:44.34`	`mr_clark`	`Even if I try to right click and copy, I can't paste at all.`
`15:44.36`	`sitaram`	`kdepepo: checking...`
`15:44.36`	`mickael9`	`apricot : yes I know`
`15:44.36`	`kdepepo`	`sitaram, see "man X" for how they work.`
`15:44.47`	`mickael9`	`that's why I told you to change your language in settings`
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`15:45.00`	`mickael9`	`and set it back to german when you're finished.`
`15:46.14`	`apricot`	`mikala, it IS set as left button: activate,raise&Pass click`
`15:46.48`	`mickael9`	`try removing your kwin config :P`
`15:46.52`	`sitaram`	`kdepepo: oh I know the geometry syntax alright; and it does work -- which is good -- except I have to fully specify it, which means the X part will have to vary depending on the length of the text`
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`15:47.12`	`mickael9`	`rm ~/.kde4/share/config/kwin*`
`15:47.13`	`sitaram`	`kdepepo: but you solved my immediate problem; I'll just hard code something for now -- thanks!`
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`15:48.13`	`annew`	`a user wants to change charset from utf8 to 8859-15 - where can this be done?`
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`15:49.11`	`mickael9`	`annew : charset of what ?`
`15:49.25`	`annew`	`default charset, I believe`
`15:49.32`	`annew`	`is it app-specific?`
`15:49.36`	`mickael9`	`I mean`
`15:49.40`	`mickael9`	`there's console charset`
`15:49.51`	`mickael9`	`and default KEdit charset`
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`15:50.15`	`annew`	`mickael9: his correspondant uses windows and he says that win doesn't like utf8`
`15:50.25`	`annew`	`so he wanted to match their 8859-15`
`15:50.34`	`annew`	`presumably in email and letters`
`15:50.46`	`Torch`	`annew: windows has no problems with utf-8 in general`
`15:50.52`	`mickael9`	`yep`
`15:50.58`	`mickael9`	`only the console`
`15:51.01`	`annew`	`ah - so user ineptitude :-)`
`15:51.03`	`Torch`	`annew: if he wants to use iso for email in kmail, this needs to be set in kmail`
`15:51.20`	`annew`	`Torch: OK, thanks. I'll tell him that.`
`15:51.25`	`Torch`	`annew: i guess this is the default, though (ascii, with iso fallback and utf-8 only if required)`
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`15:51.45`	`taras`	`btw, kde4.3.0's alt-f2 runner doesn't autocomplete for filesystem?`
`15:52.08`	`annew`	`thanks mickael9 and Torch`
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`16:08.09`	`mr_clark`	`But I can copy and paste from Konsole/KDE3.`
`16:09.28`	`annew`	`mr_clark: for some strange reason you often have to swipe the bit you want twice before it gets copied to the clipboard`
`16:09.34`	`annew`	`could that be your problem?`
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`16:12.16`	`kebomix1`	`how to increase font size on gnome apps like pidgin ?`
`16:15.39`	`mr_clark`	`annew: Let me try.`
`16:16.28`	`mr_clark`	`annew: Nope. Doesn't seem to make a difference. Even if I right click and select copy it doesn't work. And yet I can drag across a URL in firefox and paste it into konsole.`
`16:16.35`	`mr_clark`	`annew: very frustrating bug.`
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`16:21.15`	`annew`	`mr_clark: does it get as far as your clipboard?`
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`16:34.17`	`mr_clark`	`annew: I don't seen anything in Klipper.`
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`16:34.47`	`dreamtheater`	`Can someone recommend me a theme with a bright panel background (or tell me how to change it) - the grey is too dark for me to read the task's names.`
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`16:35.22`	`kdepepo`	`dreamtheater, "Aya" and "Atelier" plasma themes follow color schemes.`
`16:36.33`	`N9NU`	`dreamtheater:`
`16:37.54`	`N9NU`	`six degrees of`
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`16:38.17`	`N9NU`	`actually the Glass Prison is my fav`
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`16:39.38`	`smurfslover`	`N9NU: Live scenes from New York is mine`
`16:40.04`	`N9NU`	`i admit, i only listened to that one album :)`
`16:40.29`	`N9NU`	`i more of a Skillet, Pillar, 12 Stones, Decyfer Down, Kutless, TFC, etc fan`
`16:40.51`	`dreamtheater`	`N9NU: I like the old DT Albums better...`
`16:42.09`	`N9NU`	`i had a bad dream in which i was using Gnome`
`16:42.28`	`smurfslover`	`i'm using e17 right now`
`16:43.17`	`smurfslover`	`dreamtheater: Images and Words !!`
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`16:44.07`	`Knat`	`I am running kde 4.3 and flash isn't making any sound, I have seen posts online of other people with the same problem, but I havent found a solution`
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`16:44.20`	`Knat`	`is pulse audio broken?`
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`16:44.33`	`N9NU`	`dont feel bad....i have no sound at all :)`
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`16:44.49`	`N9NU`	`pulseaudio is screwing with policykit crap`
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`16:46.07`	`Torch`	`Knat: i just uninstalled pulseaudio and thus solved all my audio problems on ubuntu jaunty... but this is a little off topic here ;-)`
`16:46.35`	`N9NU`	`glad ya got yours to work`
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`16:47.29`	`peacenik`	`hi for anyone that it might be useful for: my problem was solved (thanks to pprkut on ##slackware) - it was a simple edit to ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals`
`16:47.48`	`Knat`	`Torch: thanks I'll do that, why is it off topic?`
`16:48.05`	`Torch`	`Knat: neither flash nor pulseaudio are part of kde`
`16:49.21`	`Knat`	`Torch: Yeah but if kde uses something as its stock audio engine it kindof becomes a kde issue`
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`16:52.15`	`peacenik`	`twice now, after moving the mouse (I think) all of the open windows were reduced in size on the desktop - it made a kind of window pager - it is very cool. I did it by accident and I can't figure out exactly what I did, is it a mouse gesture? Anyone know what I'm talking about? It would be very cool to be able to do it when I want instead of by accident :)`
`16:52.31`	`dreamtheater`	`How can I activate a customized design I've created?`
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`16:56.16`	`peacenik`	`sorry - slackware64-current kde4.2.4`
`16:56.43`	`shadeslayer`	`where is the file for startup scripts and apps stored?`
`16:57.06`	`shadeslayer`	`like what to start after kdm ( loading the DE )`
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`16:58.58`	`dreamtheater`	`Ah, found it...`
`16:59.19`	`N9NU`	`systemsettings`
`16:59.44`	`dreamtheater`	`kdepepo: Thanks! Atelier suits my needs!`
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`17:19.55`	`sxe`	`hi`
`17:21.28`	`shadeslayer`	`sxe: hey`
`17:21.45`	`sxe`	`hi :)`
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`17:26.48`	`spirov92`	`I have flash working in Konqueror, but it's only working on some sites`
`17:27.06`	`shadeslayer`	`spirov92: have you tried rekonq or arora?`
`17:27.07`	`spirov92`	`any ideas why? using 4.3 on openSUSE 11.1`
`17:27.23`	`spirov92`	`shadeslayer: nope, are they better?`
`17:27.24`	`shadeslayer`	`has kubuntu`
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`17:27.36`	`shadeslayer`	`spirov92: much better`
`17:27.50`	`spirov92`	`shadeslayer: which one would you recommend?`
`17:28.01`	`shadeslayer`	`spirov92: both are based on webkit so most sites identify the browser as safari,so better support`
`17:28.22`	`shadeslayer`	`spirov92: well arora might be in your repo,youll probably have to compile rekonq`
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`17:28.40`	`pinotree`	`if the problem is just the UserAgent, you can change konqueror's`
`17:28.44`	`spirov92`	`you mean they identify themselves as safari? that's weird`
`17:28.56`	`shadeslayer`	`spirov92: well theyre based on webkit....`
`17:29.09`	`spirov92`	`but they're not safari! :p`
`17:29.26`	`shadeslayer`	`spirov92: of course not,but they use the same code and everything`
`17:29.32`	`shadeslayer`	`backend code`
`17:30.03`	`shadeslayer`	`spirov92: i found rekonq integrated better into KDE`
`17:30.21`	`lundgaard`	`now you're talking about arora. i heard it might change to using kdelibs instead of qt directly. anybody knows the status of this?`
`17:30.41`	`spirov92`	`I'll try both, if I can get YaST to start :)`
`17:30.56`	`shadeslayer`	`lundgaard: #arora might be able to anser`
`17:30.59`	`shadeslayer`	`*answer`
`17:32.13`	`lundgaard`	`shadeslayer: really could have told myself that :)`
`17:32.26`	`shadeslayer`	`lundgaard: hehe :)`
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`17:36.20`	`spirov92`	`lol arora devs put xkcd in the default bookmarks`
`17:36.38`	`shadeslayer`	`spirov92: yeah`
`17:36.48`	`shadeslayer`	`thought it was nice`
`17:37.25`	`nsm`	`hi`
`17:37.33`	`shadeslayer`	`nsm: hey`
`17:37.54`	`nsm`	`i have a big problem since moving to kde4`
`17:38.11`	`spirov92`	`yay, all sites with flash are working in arora`
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`17:38.44`	`nsm`	`i work dayly with my photo collection (thousands)`
`17:38.53`	`shadeslayer`	`spirov92: nice :)`
`17:39.02`	`shadeslayer`	`nsm: and?`
`17:39.03`	`MadGirl`	`i heard and was it safe to unmask it`
`17:39.22`	`nsm`	`these photos carry meta info that were created in kde3`
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`17:40.01`	`nsm`	`now, these meta info are no more available; in the property window there is no meta info tab`
`17:40.15`	`kebomix`	`can i manage widgets for each desktop ?`
`17:40.35`	`nsm`	`is there a way to get these meta info back?`
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`17:40.49`	`shadeslayer`	`kebomix: yep,zoom out > configure plasma > check the 2 boxes > zoom in`
`17:41.02`	`shadeslayer`	`nsm: hmm,no idea,there might be some app`
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`17:42.11`	`nsm`	`in kde3, the meta info tab was installed through konq-plugins which does not seem available anymore`
`17:43.04`	`shadeslayer`	`nsm: which distro?`
`17:43.06`	`MadGirl`	`which distro are you using?`
`17:43.11`	`nsm`	`btw, the photos are still carrying these meta info since they are there in gimp`
`17:43.41`	`nsm`	`i run sidux, fully upgraded to the latest stuff`
`17:44.00`	`shadeslayer`	`nsm: in kubuntu : konq-plugins - plugins for Konqueror, the KDE file/web/doc browser`
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`17:46.56`	`nsm`	`shadeslayer: thanks; i am not on my kde4 machine now so i cannot check the proper repo`
`17:47.30`	`shadeslayer`	`nsm: hmm,well the package you mentioned is available on Kubuntu 9.10 alpha 4,no idea on sidux though`
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`17:48.30`	`nsm`	`it should be also because sidux is debian sid; thanks i will check`
`17:48.35`	`shadeslayer`	`23:18 < nsm> it should be also because sidux is debian sid; thanks i will check`
`17:48.39`	`shadeslayer`	`oops`
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`17:49.48`	`nsm`	`btw, do you know if there is communication between konqueror (file manager) and dolphin; could they share meta info`
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`17:50.18`	`quincero`	`Hi guys. Is it the good forum to ask question about plasmoid-dev ?`
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`17:51.11`	`shadeslayer`	`quincero: sure`
`17:51.51`	`shadeslayer`	`quincero: theres a techbase article too,but if anyone can assist you he/she will do so :)`
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`17:52.13`	`quincero`	`ok`
`17:52.44`	`nsm`	`i posted about the meta info problem: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=62458&p=83629&hilit=meta+info&sid=1b938471265f69bdc1f32aa79af75c81#p83629`
`17:53.15`	`nsm`	`but no solution there.`
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`17:53.54`	`nsm`	`thanks, i will dig further and be back.`
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`17:55.24`	`quincero`	`I try to add a page in the config widget of my plasmoid with the implementation of createConfigurationInterface(...) and this call in the plasmoid constructor setHasConfigurationInterface(true);. But it doesn't work. I just get the shortcut config view, and the the createConfigurationInterface doesn't seem to be called... I've tried for 1hour I'm getting crazy lol`
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`17:57.21`	`thenthenio`	`I finally moved to KDE4..., but immadiately I found something non compatible with old 3.5: DCOP replaced with DBUS :(`
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`17:58.32`	`thenthenio`	`I need to open KDE menu from a script: how can I do now (with DBUS)???`
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`18:01.25`	`da1l6`	`thenthenio: i don't know the call, but you can use qdbusviewer to list all available apps and functions.`
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`18:06.55`	`da1l6`	`thenthenio: doesn't seem like there is a dbus call to open the kickoff menu.`
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`18:09.45`	`thenthenio`	`da1l6: In fact I already had a (deep) look qdbusviewer but I didn't find anything!`
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`18:11.06`	`thenthenio`	`Looks like the Devs forgotten it, I saw calls for mixer, for dashboard but nothing for KMenu...`
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`18:21.49`	`quincero`	`thenthenio: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=174549`
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`18:24.40`	`da1l6`	`quincero: kickoff is listed in debus (at least for me) but there is no method to open it`
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`18:29.21`	`quincero`	`da1l6: is it possible to simulate a key shortcut ? if yes, thenthenio could simulate Alt+F1. It's a bit ugly but if it works...`
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`18:31.51`	`da1l6`	`quincero: i don't know`
`18:33.15`	`quincero`	`:( my problem with the config view is very strange... I do like an other plugin and like the tech base and forum suggest but it doesn't work...`
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`18:46.04`	`PyroPeter`	`i want to know how to write this little apps you can put into the task bar of kde3, but dont know how they are called in english, which makes searching difficult (they are called "miniprogramme" in german`
`18:46.14`	`PyroPeter`	`)`
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`18:47.22`	`kebomix`	`"could not create python script engine for the widget" how to fix this error on plasmoid?`
`18:48.01`	`quincero`	`PyroPeter : in kde3 ?`
`18:48.07`	`PyroPeter`	`quincero: yes`
`18:48.31`	`PyroPeter`	`i want to work, not close error-messages`
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`18:48.58`	`quincero`	`PyroPeter: sorry I know for KDE4, not for the 3... I don't know if kickoff is just the menu or the menu and the bar`
`18:49.29`	`jadenkorn_`	`Hey everyone, I'm having issues with Phonon-gstreamer backend`
`18:49.46`	`jadenkorn_`	`I'm using KDE 4.3 based on openSUSE 11 Live CD`
`18:49.55`	`jadenkorn_`	`but my media fails to play`
`18:50.00`	`PyroPeter`	`kebomix: install python properly?`
`18:50.11`	`kebomix`	`PyroPeter: i think so !`
`18:50.34`	`PyroPeter`	`which python version did you install?`
`18:50.38`	`quincero`	`PyroPeter: ok forget it. kickoff is just the menu`
`18:50.39`	`kebomix`	`it's famous problem . i google it ; but no body solved it !`
`18:50.46`	`PyroPeter`	`ah`
`18:51.13`	`PyroPeter`	`quincero: ok... anyway, nobody here who used an english version of kde?`
`18:51.24`	`kebomix`	`PyQt`
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`18:51.50`	`kebomix`	`i use english kde !`
`18:52.15`	`PyroPeter`	`so rightklick on the taskbar and look what the first menu entry says`
`18:52.19`	`Simkin`	`anyone know how i could pick "3 windows" and then "tile them"`
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`18:52.24`	`htrejh`	`hi`
`18:52.38`	`Simkin`	`or to just tile all the iwnodws in the current desksapce?`
`18:52.48`	`kebomix`	`add widgets !`
`18:53.00`	`PyroPeter`	`oh, so they are called widgets...`
`18:53.02`	`JadenKorn`	`Can anyone help me with phonon-gstreamer?`
`18:53.02`	`htrejh`	`i saw a nice widget on the pc (windows) of a friend, it was like a mac dock, but it could be used vertically, does someone know if there's such a widget for kde?`
`18:53.03`	`PyroPeter`	`cool`
`18:53.20`	`JadenKorn`	`KDE video players don't play media at all`
`18:54.02`	`ninjaslim`	`would i be able to do 1920x1080 for my virtual console via VESA assuming the option is built into my kernel if my video card supports the resolution`
`18:54.14`	`kebomix`	`JadenKorn: install xine-lib-extras-freeworld`
`18:54.32`	`quincero`	`kebomix: you're using kde4 aren't you ?`
`18:54.45`	`kebomix`	`quincero: use kde 4.3`
`18:55.15`	`quincero`	`pyropeter: take care, it's not sure the name was widget until kde4.`
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`18:55.41`	`PyroPeter`	`it was applet befor`
`18:55.43`	`PyroPeter`	`e`
`18:55.47`	`kebomix`	`any solution for my problem ? !`
`18:56.00`	`quincero`	`pyropeter: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Architecture/KDE3/Panel_Applets`
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`18:56.46`	`quincero`	`I try to add a page in the config widget of my plasmoid with the implementation of createConfigurationInterface(...) and this call in the plasmoid constructor setHasConfigurationInterface(true);. But it doesn't work. I just get the shortcut config view, and the the createConfigurationInterface doesn't seem to be called...`
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`19:02.08`	`kebomix`	`guys here is the solution : install this package kdebase-workspace-python-applet`
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`19:49.11`	`JadenKorn`	`where i can install xine-lib-extras-freeworld from?`
`19:50.13`	`JadenKorn`	`phonon-gstreamer doesnt seems to work.. KDE players won't play media while phonon-gstreamer is selected`
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`19:50.44`	`Grey_Ash`	`thanks`
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`20:25.23`	`marcosRz`	`http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=75515&sid=a1276438d274cc65e5727c9fddede728`
`20:25.28`	`marcosRz`	`can any1 help me with that?`
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`20:31.29`	`kdepepo`	`marcosRz, look into (KDE)/share/templates`
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`20:31.59`	`marcosRz`	`hmm`
`20:32.01`	`marcosRz`	`thanks ;D`
`20:32.03`	`marcosRz`	`going to try`
`20:32.26`	`Shoulah`	`can i install kde 4.3 on kubuntu 8.10`
`20:32.28`	`Shoulah`	`?`
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`20:33.25`	`kdepepo`	`Shoulah, are you talking about binary packages or self compile?`
`20:33.38`	`marcosRz`	`kdepepo: it's not there :(`
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`20:33.52`	`kdepepo`	`marcosRz, which distribution?`
`20:34.38`	`marcosRz`	`arch linux`
`20:35.03`	`kdepepo`	`marcosRz, hm, does it have /usr/share/kde(4)/templates`
`20:37.47`	`marcosRz`	`nop`
`20:38.01`	`marcosRz`	`under kde4`
`20:38.04`	`marcosRz`	`only services and`
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`20:38.08`	`marcosRz`	`servicestypes`
`20:38.41`	`kdepepo`	`marcosRz, then "find / -name TextFile.desktop" to search it`
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`20:39.25`	`marcosRz`	`kl`
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`20:39.52`	`marcosRz`	`searching`
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`20:41.48`	`marcosRz`	`kdepepo: /usr/share/templates/TextFile.desktop`
`20:42.16`	`kdepepo`	`marcosRz, study that file :)`
`20:42.21`	`marcosRz`	`hm`
`20:42.25`	`marcosRz`	`thanks`
`20:42.26`	`marcosRz`	`:)`
`20:42.54`	`kdepepo`	`then put your version and .source into .kde/share/templates`
`20:42.57`	`kdepepo`	`(or .kde4)`
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`20:43.30`	`kdepepo`	`and update the forum entry on success :P`
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`20:44.07`	`marcosRz`	`ok doki ;D`
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`21:33.47`	`lindenle`	`how do i show my widgets and or hide them in kde?`
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`21:34.19`	`Torch`	`lindenle: ctrl+12 shows the widget dashboard if that is what you mean`
`21:34.46`	`lindenle`	`F12? Not working for me`
`21:35.45`	`Torch`	`lindenle: ctrl+f12`
`21:36.31`	`lindenle`	`ah i have it as F1`
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`22:15.49`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`OK, so is it universal for Kopete to be such a crashy piece of junk or is that just for me? I mean, really, it crashes about 10 times a minute, and that's NOT exaggerating.`
`22:16.15`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`2 out of 3 times, it crashes instantly, the moment it starts.`
`22:16.52`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`I'm pretty sure it's the MSN plugin's fault.`
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`22:26.36`	`darthanubis`	`Digital-Pioneer: that is why I don't use it`
`22:26.45`	`darthanubis`	`pidgin 2.6 just came out`
`22:27.01`	`darthanubis`	`http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzQ2Ng`
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`22:28.17`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`darthanubis: Yeah... But Pidgin doesn't play nice with KDE. :(`
`22:28.51`	`Rehto`	`msn is all I use so kmess for me`
`22:29.01`	`darthanubis`	`plays just nice here`
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`22:29.16`	`Rehto`	`it even has the file transfer working nicely`
`22:29.24`	`darthanubis`	`totally belnds in`
`22:29.27`	`darthanubis`	`blends`
`22:29.52`	`Rehto`	`Digital-Pioneer: yeah kopete is buggy`
`22:30.06`	`Rehto`	`at least with msn plugin`
`22:30.16`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`darthanubis: Lucky. I have never had GTK apps (most notably, firefox) follow the KDE themeing...`
`22:30.32`	`Rehto`	`Digital-Pioneer: well they do if you use qtcurve`
`22:30.38`	`darthanubis`	`exactly`
`22:30.56`	`darthanubis`	`qt-gtk`
`22:31.25`	`Rehto`	`there's a shitload of options to tweak the look of qtcurve so you can get it look quite nice`
`22:31.42`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`Even Firefox?`
`22:31.49`	`Rehto`	`yeah even firefox`
`22:32.22`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`installs qtcurve`
`22:32.30`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`How do I use it?`
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`22:34.16`	`Rehto`	`remember to install both qtcurve-kde4 & qtcurve-gtk2 and gtk-qt-engine too`
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`22:36.16`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`OK, then what?`
`22:36.17`	`MadGirl`	`then what is, like, the problem with xorg if that was enabled as a module at default?`
`22:37.17`	`Rehto`	`Digital-Pioneer: well isn't it obvious?-)`
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`22:38.46`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`Rehto: Perhaps, but I like to confirm things. :)`
`22:39.11`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`Rehto: I set GTK apps to use qtcurve from system settings. Is that it?`
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`22:39.30`	`Rehto`	`yeah`
`22:40.09`	`Rehto`	`then set your kde4 theme to qtcurve and start configuring`
`22:40.11`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`And that will mimic whatever KDE themeing I have set?`
`22:40.21`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`Ahhhhh`
`22:40.25`	`Rehto`	`yeah`
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`22:43.52`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`I changed theme to QtCurve, and the web browser plasmoid took over my desktop...`
`22:44.52`	`Rehto`	`Digital-Pioneer: shit happens I guess`
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`22:46.12`	`kdepepo`	`with Plasma quite often :)`
`22:46.37`	`kdepepo`	`it's a young project, so report any bugs you find.`
`22:47.56`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`That's a problem...`
`22:47.59`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`Is there a way to refresh your plasmoids or something? LOL`
`22:47.59`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`Indeed.`
`22:47.59`	`Digital-Pioneer`	`So can I re-render all of my plasmoids without killing it? Killing plasma causes all of my non-KDE systray icons to take on windows of their own, and you can't move them back without restarting them.`
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`22:52.32`	`DavidTruby`	`I had to use konqueror as a file browser to fiz a crash today, and i suddenly noticed the File Size View mode and i have to say, this is one of the most useful things i have ever seen, even from KDE :). But, is it possible to get this feature in Dolphin? i want this because i prefer dolphin as my file manager`
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`23:02.24`	`DavidTruby`	`i just noticed that filelight is also available in the konqueror view modes`
`23:02.35`	`DavidTruby`	`but still just the same old 3 in dolphin :(`
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`23:03.35`	`DavidTruby`	`either that, or i need the Places bar in konqueror`
`23:04.48`	`Bosox20051`	`where do I report bugs in KDE?`
`23:05.28`	`Jucato`	`Bosox20051: bugs.kde.org`
`23:05.37`	`Bosox20051`	`I go online and explain the problem?`
`23:06.14`	`pinotree`	`what do you mean?`
`23:07.32`	`Bosox20051`	`I was just wondering if there was bug reporting software in KDE`
`23:07.41`	`pinotree`	`nope`
`23:07.50`	`Bosox20051`	`ok thanks`
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`23:08.13`	`Jucato`	`well, apps have a Help -> Report Bug menu`
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`23:09.23`	`Bosox20051`	`Jucato: That's what I was looking for`
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`23:09.32`	`Bosox20051`	`haha need to check under help duh!`
`23:10.05`	`Jucato`	`(you still need to be connected to the Internet of course, a.k.a. "online", and you'll still need to explain the problem in that report)`
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`23:17.09`	`BrianE`	`Evening, does KDE4 / Dolphin have SVN integration?`
`23:17.30`	`pinotree`	`in kde 4.4 it will have`
`23:17.39`	`BrianE`	`Bollocks :(`
`23:17.53`	`BrianE`	`I imagine KDE4.4 isn't available yet?`
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`23:18.11`	`pinotree`	`we just released kde 4.3.0, so at least 5/6 months more`
`23:18.22`	`BrianE`	`Aah, okie :-)`
`23:18.45`	`BrianE`	`Is there a package I can install to achieve some sort of integration / GUI? (Save RapidSVN)`
`23:19.05`	`pinotree`	`on top of dolphin? not sure it is possible`
`23:19.13`	`pinotree`	`i imagine you know about kdesvn?`
`23:19.19`	`BrianE`	`Err nope`
`23:19.35`	`pinotree`	`it is a separate application for svn, but could be useful for you, imho`
`23:20.19`	`BrianE`	`I'll take a look :-)`
`23:20.21`	`BrianE`	`Thanks`
`23:20.26`	`pinotree`	`you're welcome`
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`23:20.41`	`BrianE`	`By the way, just a suggestion...`
`23:21.16`	`BrianE`	`The icon set, from KDE3 and even now, is ugly`
`23:21.29`	`BrianE`	`No offense intended, but it severely clashes with the rest of the beautiful system`
`23:21.33`	`pinotree`	`crystalsvg? we don't have it in kde4`
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`23:22.58`	`BrianE`	`The icons now aren't ugly, they just don't fit with the rest of the design`
`23:23.27`	`pinotree`	`well, icons, widget style and window decoration are designed by the same people`
`23:24.49`	`BrianE`	`I mean the whole plasma thing is beautiful, I love how you've reinvented the desktop, love the widgets etc... But the icons, even K* application icons in the tray, clash =\`
`23:26.25`	`lunitik`	`BrianE: using the Oxygen theme, I disagree... but you can find other icon themes at www.kde-look.org and www.gnome-look.org - when you find one you like, throw it in /usr/share/icons and use it.`
`23:27.04`	`lunitik`	`(the icon themes are the same format for both kde and gnome, so it doesn't matter which site it was uploaded to)`
`23:27.35`	`pinotree`	`(or use the system settings module to browse them and install them, even manually downloaded ones)`
`23:27.38`	`BrianE`	`Each to his own etc and I know this is just my opinion, but I personally don't think the Oxygen icons match the Oxygen theme`
`23:27.57`	`lunitik`	`pinotree: well, yeah, but that isn't system wide ;)`
`23:28.22`	`pinotree`	`sure, but no risk of fiddling with system directories`
`23:28.39`	`lunitik`	`BrianE: yeah, to each his own... but just look for a theme you like if the default isn't to your liking, waste of time complaining about something you can change :/`
`23:29.05`	`BrianE`	`lunitik: 'Spose :)`
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`23:39.18`	`Psi-Jack`	`OKay..`
`23:39.35`	`Psi-Jack`	`I have, a wierd issue. I enabled Xinerama, and have X setup to use seperate screens.`
`23:40.06`	`Psi-Jack`	`I created a panel on the other screen, and added the Task Manager on each, and told them each to only display the programs on the same screen.`
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`23:40.40`	`Psi-Jack`	`Well, this worked in TwinView mode, but, now that I'm in Xinerama, cause TwinView kinda.. Was wierd with programs thinking the display was reaaaally wide... Anyway. Long story short:`
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`23:41.03`	Stalker`	`sooo.. who is good with remote setup? ill give em a free remote desktop (user access) for installation`
`23:41.05`	`Psi-Jack`	`When I move Window A to Screen B, it shows up in screen A's task manager. Vice versa, move Window A to Screen A, it shows up in Screen B's task manager.`
`23:41.11`	Stalker`	`of freenx on ubuntu jaunty`
`23:41.14`	Stalker`	`:D`
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`23:41.40`	`Psi-Jack`	Stalker`: Sure, I'll just need your credit card number to start processing your request. :p
`23:42.29`	`kaddi`	`and your pin while we're at it :p`
`23:42.38`	Stalker`	`hands Psi-Jack a scanned photo image of his cc accompanied by a image of his ass crack`
`23:42.39`	Stalker`	`:D`
`23:42.53`	Stalker`	`<3`
`23:43.23`	`Psi-Jack`	`Anyway. That all goes to /dev/null.`
`23:43.23`	Stalker`	`im just being lazy... cause i have other things i need to spend my time on`
`23:43.23`	Stalker`	`thought id take a shot in the dark real quick`
`23:43.23`	`Psi-Jack`	`So, about my Task Manager issue.. This is in KDE 4.2 under Kubuntu 9.04`
`23:43.27`	Stalker`	`besides who wouldnt want a free remote desktop? ;p`
`23:43.34`	`Psi-Jack`	`raises his hand.`
`23:43.40`	`Psi-Jack`	`I wouldn't.`
`23:43.45`	Stalker`	`on a 100mbit line?`
`23:43.53`	`Psi-Jack`	`Absolutely not.`
`23:43.53`	Stalker`	`on a dual quad core with 16gb ram and 24mb cache`
`23:43.54`	Stalker`	`:o`
`23:44.07`	`Psi-Jack`	`Dude. I have 20 computers, at home.`
`23:44.08`	Stalker`	`well your lame :x but i still love you <3`
`23:44.25`	Stalker`	`if you have a 100mbit line too, then i understand why you arent interested.`
`23:44.27`	`kaddi`	`only if I can keep it after setting it up :p`
`23:44.35`	`Psi-Jack`	`I have 1000mbit. :p`
`23:44.41`	Stalker`	`kaddi, a user - yes`
`23:44.51`	`anika`	`pinotree: is SVN in trunk already?`
`23:44.52`	Stalker`	`but im going to chg the root pw, and add another user`
`23:44.55`	`kaddi`	`to myself ;)`
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`23:45.04`	`anika`	`svn KIO for dolphin that is`
`23:45.10`	Stalker`	`but, before that, ill make a template/snapshot of the setup real quick`
`23:45.11`	`pinotree`	`anika: ?`
`23:45.15`	Stalker`	`so i can reuse it :D`
`23:47.40`	`anika`	`pinotree: BrianE asked about Dolphin SVN integration. You said it would be in the 4.4 release is that code already commited or it's just in the release plan?`
`23:47.52`	`pinotree`	`it is alrady in the works`
`23:47.56`	`pinotree`	`*already`
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