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00:10.06zc00giiwhat mode do I use if I want to burn a game backup with k3b?(IE, Wii, PS2, etc)
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00:17.04phaoin which package is quanta inside ?
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00:24.21wordphao: ask in your distribution's channel. :-/
00:26.37Half-Leftphao: kdewebdev
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00:55.15decowho do i make my volume buttons on my laptop control the volume in kmix ?
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00:58.22Kuaeradeco: What kind of laptop?
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01:04.32decoKuaera: hp pavillion
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01:04.51Kuaeradeco: And which distribution?
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01:05.10decoKuaera: debian 5 lenny hp pavilion zv5000
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01:54.01genewbiehow do i bring up the system settings using sudo?
01:54.02genewbiei forgot
01:57.10genewbienevermind, i got it.
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02:17.53maazuciao!
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02:22.32pARAd0X85hi
02:22.42pARAd0X85:)
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02:23.35pARAd0X85I haven't found the source for the clock plasmoid
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02:24.15pARAd0X85does anyone know if there is a python source for an analog clock plasmoid ?
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02:29.48|linex|Is it possible to make the K start button wider ?
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02:51.07dystopianrayargh
02:51.20dystopianraymy screensaver keeps going off all the time at random with kde 4.1 and opensuse 11.1
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03:28.52LuisCarlosHi. I'd like to map the 'windows' key to launch Kickoff. I can not assing that single key when customizing the Keyboard shortcut
03:29.04LuisCarlosI'm running Mandriva One 2009.1, kde 4.2
03:30.29LuisCarlosI could not assign it neither on an  Asus eee 1002HE not a Dell laptop
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04:10.30coz_hey guys  ok kubuntu 9.04  installed   adobe falsh and sun java but neither are recognized  how to?
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04:22.40plasmoid007hi
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04:25.56plasmoid007I am really can't create a plasmoid
04:26.31plasmoid007I've fellowed the tutorial but plasmapkg shows me an error
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04:27.27plasmoid007plasmapkg(5220)/libplasma Plasma::Package::installPackage: No such file: "/home/packa/helloWorld"
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04:52.08coz_waht is a good hex editor for kde
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04:59.55trappistIn kde3, in kmail, I used to be able to say folder->thread messages to be able to expand/collapse threads.  this seems to be missing in kde4, or have I set something up wrong, or I'm looking in the wrong place?
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05:12.05nbetcherhello fellow geeks and nerds
05:12.13nbetcherAnyone else having issues with Yahoo on Kopete?
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05:14.32Jucatonbetcher: in your Yahoo! account settings, go to Account Preferences tab, check "Override default server info" and use 66.163.181.106 as the IP
05:14.52Jucato(at least for now... all 3rd-party clients have the same problem)
05:15.21nbetcherInteresting.
05:15.42nbetcherSo the subdomain IP was changed? Odd
05:15.57nbetcherAnd somehow this only affects third party clients? Even more od
05:15.59nbetcherodd*
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05:17.50nbetcherYour help is greatly appreciated though
05:18.02nbetcherIf you were next door many cookies would be in order.
05:18.28fyanardicoz_: try okteta
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05:19.54fyanardinbetcher: yahoo is removing the old protocol from it servers, and those servers you can use now are those haven't been changed
05:20.32coz_fyanardi,  thanks  I installed it and it works great :)
05:20.51fyanardicoz: good :)
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05:31.28erik-kWow... Just finished installing the latest KDE after getting qt-4.5.1. If this speed improvement holds, I may finally jump ship from kde 3.5
05:31.46erik-k(latest = from trunk)
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06:03.10erik-kHas anyone else found knetwalk's level generator for "very hard" to be totally broken?
06:05.12erik-kIt gives me levels that are clearly impossible to solve, e.g. straight pipes and tees in corners
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06:58.23coz_hey guys how to do i get images to be viewed as thumbnails in dolphiin?
07:00.25fyanardicoz_: View -> Preview
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07:02.39coz_fyanardi,  ah thanks  will it now remain that way?
07:05.46fyanardicoz_: yes, make sure your set dolphin to Use common view properties for each display
07:05.55fyanardiSettings -> View Modes -> General
07:06.32coz_fyanardi,  very nice thanks :)   I am trying to stick with kde for a while
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07:07.09fyanardicoz_: great, hope you enjoy your stay with KDE (and stay with it forever :)
07:07.28coz_fyanardi,  well we will see...
07:08.01fyanardi:)
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07:09.14coz_fyanardi,    while I have you here :)   when opening a text file the window has the  "Documents" list on the left   can I disable that permanetly?
07:09.46coz_and enable dynamic    word wrap permanently?
07:10.24fyanardiyou mean you open text file using kate?
07:10.41coz_well I  just click on a text file and apparenlty it opened with kate
07:11.32fyanardiwell, kate is KDE's advanced text file, if you want something simpler, you can use kwrite
07:12.20coz_ok but it defaults to kate when I click a text file  although I    dont necessaryly want simpler just that  documents view disabled
07:12.25fyanardii don't know whether the document panel can be permanently disabled or not, let me take a look at it
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07:15.39fyanardiseems that you can't really disabled, why don't you just hide it? it is important to navigate all your open files, since kate can open multiple files simultaneously
07:16.36g1lthow do I configure the number of connections dolphin uses for ftp transactions? it is overloading servers when I try and transfer/move a large number of files
07:17.12Jucato(kwrite is KDE's default text editor, not Kate. if your system defaults to Kate, that is your distro's doing...)
07:17.27coz_Jucato,  ok
07:18.46coz_Jucato,  interesting kubuntu did not have kwrite installed
07:19.22Jucatois somewhat not surprised ;)
07:19.43fyanardiwhat? Kubuntu doesn't have kwrite installed? :-O
07:19.48coz_mm ok now how to force kwrite as default for text files  ,,, I am used to gnome
07:19.50Jucatoword wrap: Settings -> Configure Kate (or "Editor" for Kwrite) -> Appearance -> check Dynamic Wordwrap
07:19.54coz_fyanardi,  no I just installed it
07:20.17Jucatofyanardi: they prrobably only have kate installed and set as default... maybe... :)
07:20.48Jucato(gedit does multi-documents too, except it uses tabs, which are more inconvenient when dealing with lots of documents...)
07:21.08fyanardiJucato: hmm maybe, I hear that kubuntu likes to alter default KDE settings :)
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07:21.26Jucatothey wouldn't be Kubuntu if they didn't :)
07:21.37fyanardi:)
07:21.54Jucato(in fairness, they do have to tweak stuff in order to customize it for *their* target audience)
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07:22.31Jucatos/in fairness/to be fair/
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07:24.38fyanardiI don't mind with that part (tweaking stuff to customize for their target audience :)
07:25.14coz_is  there a way to change text files being opened with kate  to kwrite?
07:25.19coz_I am trying :)
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07:29.16fyanardicoz_: try systemsettings -> Advanced tab -> File associations
07:29.59fyanardiand search for the file type in the left panel, then change the application preference order
07:30.44coz_fyanardi,  Ok I will check that out
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08:47.32mschiffwhat does it need so that juk (from 4.2.91) can play mp3 files?
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08:51.08Mamarokmschiff: you need to install codecs I think
08:51.27Mamaroklibxine1-something
08:51.34Mamarokdepends on your distro
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08:54.16mschiffMamarok: its all there other apps can play them just fine, I am just building amarok2 to see what it does
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08:55.00Mamarokmschiff: very alpha btw, and if you had an earlier checkout you will need a new one, there have benn things moved out last night
08:55.12Mamarokbeen* even
08:55.45mschiffMamarok: ah ok, so I will wait for a new snapshot then thx
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08:56.48elmargolIs dragon player death?
08:57.12Mamarokelmargol: not AFAIK
08:57.35Mamarokyou mean dead?
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08:58.10Mamarokmschiff: oh, you mean, not from SVN?
08:59.13Mamarokmschiff: there is a new tarball in http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download
09:00.04elmargolmakmanalp: yes dead sorry
09:00.23Mamarokelmargol: neither :)
09:01.15elmargolOMG.... I should sleep more :)
09:02.38mschiffMamarok: I was trying juk which does not work, now I try amarok 2.0.1 just to see if my kde4 will play mp3
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09:35.38pinotreefatalerrors: ask in #videolan
09:36.16fatalerrorspinotree: ok thanks
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10:02.59funkyouhmm, in trunk the background of scrollbars is slightly red (kickoff for example), anyone experiencing that too?
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10:03.28annmawhat theme?
10:03.51annmawhen I scroll mine gets a blue frame
10:04.41annmafunkyou: what theme?
10:06.32funkyouannma: oxygen
10:06.39funkyoui'll do a screenshot now
10:07.03annmano need
10:07.05annmalet me try
10:07.22annmaI use Air so I'll switch to oxygen
10:08.21funkyouoh, it happens on both Air and Oxygen plasma themes... (i thought you asked for the widget style)
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10:09.07funkyouno
10:09.13annmame neither
10:09.16annmano red here
10:09.26annmamaybe some video glitch
10:09.46funkyouhm, it happens on the vesa driver in a vm too
10:10.29annmasince when do you have it?
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10:11.09funkyousince some snapshots, around 4.2.8x or so
10:11.22funkyouhere is a screenie: http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2987/scrollbars.png
10:11.33funkyounow looking if there is a bug already
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10:13.08funkyouthere it is: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194703
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10:14.01Rasi|anyone was able to read what i said?
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10:17.53Rasi|kde trunk is broken with composite... screen does not update
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10:18.05Rasi|since around beta2 this happened
10:18.13Rasi|and kconf_update always needs 100% CPU
10:18.44Rasi|composite does work with xrender btw..
10:18.52Rasi|only opengl is totally borked
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10:39.25Plasmoid7hi
10:39.49Plasmoid7I got problems trying to make a plasmoid
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10:40.50violinDo you use Firefox on KDE?
10:41.11Plasmoid7?
10:41.38violinI mean sometimes you have to use some programs written with GTK+.
10:41.56violinThere are some problems.
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10:52.05dvdamy kde update manager says there are 4 "blocked updates" (all 4 are linux kernel packages) does anyone know how to update em?
10:52.23Peace-wait
10:52.26Peace-just wait
10:52.39Peace-becasue that packages has some problems you have only to wait
10:52.44dvdaok
10:52.57Peace-i think you have kubuntu right?
10:53.01dvdayes
10:53.11pinotreeyou should ask in #kubuntu then
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11:11.05devurandomHi!
11:11.19devurandomDoes KDE have some method to list and close windows via console (i.e. dbus)?
11:11.20debfxhi, could someone please fix the planetkde rss feed? :)
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11:12.00DumbleHello world !
11:12.12devurandomMy issue is that my desktop was spammed by some app running havoc, and now plasma&co are entirely hanging. I would like to close the offending windows and continue working...
11:12.12Peace-devurandom: it uses qdbus.
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11:12.41devurandomPeace-: Nice, what's the command to list windows, and how can I close them then?
11:12.57devurandom(bbl)
11:13.06Peace-you can use kill ....
11:13.18Peace-pkill nameapplication
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11:16.47comawhitehagabaka: system settings -> mouse and keyboard
11:17.17hagabakaah, i kept looking in Appearance
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11:28.07buntfalkei made the menu bar of kopete disappear by clicking the wrong button - how do i get it back?!
11:28.46fyanardiCtrl-M
11:28.56buntfalkethanks!
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11:30.53lukas___Hi, it seems that I somehow destroyed my KDE on ubuntu 9.04, I see no windo decorations and time to time it freezes, I see no problems in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but .xsession-errors is present could anyone help?
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11:31.13lukas___I have no idea where to try anything and what is wrong
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11:34.04freeedrich|check if you're out of ram
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11:35.43lukas___freeedrich|: definitely not the RAM problem, but I got it now, some additional software changed it, thanks
11:38.05devurandomPeace-: But kill cannot close windows. :(
11:38.15devurandomPeace-: And I do not even know which application spawned the windows.
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11:38.55freeedrich|devurandom: ps aux should tell you
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11:42.27SSJ_GZdevurandom: xkill can kill windows.  Be careful with it, though :)
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12:19.36Indianhello
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12:19.43Indianneed a help
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12:20.05Indianthere is anyone who can give  a hand
12:20.33Indianplease
12:21.09annmajust ask your question, provided it's KDE related
12:21.16IndianOK im redy to explain, i create a new project with Kdevelop kde/C++
12:21.29annmakdevelop version?
12:22.29Indian3.5
12:22.36Indianfrom the Project menu i select "New Project..." and open the tree structure to select "Simple KDE Application"
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12:22.54annmayes, OK
12:23.15xxtjaxxhi annma
12:23.16stikonasmaybe somebody can tell how can KDE notification support be added to non KDE app (i.e. The Battle for Wesnoth) via D-Bus or something similar
12:23.30Indianthe application and has created some template code
12:23.42annmayes
12:23.45IndianI run automake and autoconf
12:23.55annmayes
12:24.01Indianby selecting "Run automake & friends"
12:24.21Indian"Run Configure"
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12:24.50annmayes
12:24.53Indian"Execute Program",
12:25.23xxtjaxxwhich channel was for arts and oxygen desigh people again ?
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12:25.25Sho_stikonas: try #kde-devel
12:25.32Sho_xxtjaxx: #oxygen
12:25.36IndianAfter this all yhe Kdevelop ask me again to run automake & friends
12:25.56Indianand i coul not execute the program
12:26.05Indian????
12:26.06xxtjaxxthanks
12:26.09annmaIndian: you need to install it probably
12:26.23_r00t-annma: the new kicker
12:26.28annmaIndian: did you build a KDE program on your system already
12:26.31Indianin wichh step
12:26.37Indian:)
12:26.45annma_r00t-: right click on desktop -> add panel
12:27.03_r00t-annma: there's no such option
12:27.32annma_r00t-: maybe your desktop is locked, distros do that
12:27.39_r00t-..
12:27.45annmaI think
12:27.45_r00t-i'm using gentoo linux
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12:27.54annmakde version?
12:27.59_r00t-4.2.4
12:28.17annmawhen you right click on your desktop, what options do you have?
12:28.44annmaIndian: when you run automake & friends, what does kdevelop say inoutput?
12:29.11_r00t-appearance settings , folder view settings ..etc..
12:29.42annmaso you are in folderview as desktop
12:29.51_r00t-yeah]
12:30.11Indianit gives this error
12:30.14Indianconfigure: error: in `/home/Indian/Programas/C++/CTeste/Hworld/debug':
12:30.14Indianconfigure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
12:30.14IndianSee `config.log' for more details.
12:30.46annmaIndian: did you see the log then?
12:30.57Indiani was doing it
12:31.09Indianjus a min.
12:31.10annma_r00t-: I still have an Add panel option on right click on desktop
12:31.22_r00t-annma: thanks i've found a way to fix it
12:31.33annma_r00t-: under "Add widgets"
12:32.06_r00t-annma: just i switched from folder view to desktop activity
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12:34.48Indianannma
12:35.15Indianis possible to be doing to im not running as a root
12:35.42Indiancause Me Indian i think i don't have root priveligies
12:35.50annmayou should never run as root
12:36.03annmawhat is your distribution?
12:36.18IndianF 11 kdevelop 3.5
12:36.23annmayou are likely to miss some packages to beable to compile
12:36.37annmaF 11, is that Fedora?
12:36.45IndianYes
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12:37.10annmaask in the channel what you need to compile a kde program for kde3
12:37.51IndianWhat do i need to compile a kde program for kde3
12:37.53Indian:)
12:38.06Indianwhat are the steps
12:38.11freeedrich|hehe
12:38.40annmaask in #fedora
12:38.52Indianthey send me to here
12:39.07Indianlol
12:39.10annmainstall all gcc-c++ packages for a start
12:39.43Indianthe problem i think it come s from there
12:39.58annmafrom there?
12:40.10Indianis the /lib/cpp
12:40.16Indianthat is missing
12:40.32Indianok thanks
12:41.17Indiani check and its there
12:41.28Indianthe cpp
12:41.38Indianin the lib
12:41.41Indian???????
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12:43.32HensonDindian: here are instructions for building KDE 3 that might help: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Stable_Version#Compiling_Yourself
12:45.45HensonDcould somebody help me verify a bug in KDE 4?
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12:46.51annmaHensonD: tell steps to reproduce
12:47.21HensonDannma: just a sec, I'll get a description that I've typed up
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12:48.55annmaHensonD: pastebin it maybe
12:50.46Indianconfigure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
12:50.58Indianwhat's the mining
12:52.26annmatry Google Indian
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12:56.47IndianI lok for in google and i discover that perhaps i don't heve the c++ compiler instaled
12:57.22Indianusing the yum wht's the sintaxe i shouluse
12:57.35annmaIndian: look what I wrote some minutes ago: <annma> install all gcc-c++ packages for a start
12:57.57tuxick")
12:57.58annmaask in #fedora how to install gcc-c++
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12:58.08annmaI do not run fedora myself
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12:58.52Indianok thanks
12:58.57HensonDannma: ok, I've finished writing up a description of how to reproduce the bug.  It's about 6 steps long.  I'll just paste them in here.
12:59.20Jucato[20:48] <annma> HensonD: pastebin it maybe
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12:59.55HensonDJucato: I don't know what pastebin is.  I've been out of the IRC scene for a long time.  Could you describe it for me?
13:00.15Jucatogo to a site like http://pastebin.com
13:00.23HensonDjucato: ahh, ok.
13:00.40Jucatopaste your long lines of text there to avoid flooding. click the Paste/Send/Submit button, then give the url it produces in the address line of the browser
13:02.37HensonDhttp://pastebin.com/m2d18d18
13:04.40HensonDJucato: that's pretty cool.  thanks for the description
13:04.41Jucatopasses the link annma >:)
13:04.43annma;) /me looks for big files to copy
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13:04.43Jucatoor probably a big pic to open in konq
13:04.43HensonDannma: a copy hundred megs works for me
13:04.44Jucato(it will try to download first)
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13:05.08doitux|mobhi. is it possible to connect to an akonadi server in the LAN to work with the same std.vcf with differnt kontact akonadi clients like a groupware server?
13:05.29doitux|mobrunning kde-4.3 beta2
13:05.54annmaHensonD: it seems to work OK here butI run KDE 4.3
13:06.02annmanotifications have been fixed a lot
13:06.35HensonDchecks is KDE version again
13:06.46annmawhatever desktop I am in, I see the notifications in fact
13:08.21HensonDannma: hmm ok.  I'll have to wait until the kde 4.3 stuff trickles in kubuntu then try it again.
13:08.40annmayes, that wouldbe best
13:08.52Jucatoyou'll have to wait for it to be relased first ;)
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13:09.41HensonDJucato: well it's in beta form right now, I don't know if the beta build will make it into binary form or if I'll have to wait for 4.3 to come out as non-beta.
13:09.57HensonDJucato: you're probably right that I'll have to wait
13:11.11HensonDannma: could you also check another bug.  This is one that was posted to bugs.kde.org a while ago that I can reproduce, but I think the author filed it in the wrong category so I don't think it's even been looked at.  I've had this behaviour happen for okular and a few other apps.
13:11.15HensonDannma: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=192333
13:13.22annmastill present
13:14.03annmaI reproduce
13:14.29HensonDannma: I'm new to reporting bugs.  What should I do next to report this?  Just re-file the same bug under okular?  I've also noticed it in other applications, so perhaps it's a deeper problem, but I wouldn't know where to put it for it to get noticed.
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13:14.58Jucatoit's not okular's bug. it's a bug with the file dialog if you can reproduce it with other apps
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13:15.04annmathe target is KFileDialog
13:15.06Jucatoannma: can reassign it to the proper place ;)
13:15.19annmaHensonD: what do you expect on Enter?
13:15.44annmait's assigned to kdelibs already
13:16.02HensonDannma: for it to enter the directory that has been highlighted in the folder view window.  This happens in most other programs and always happened under KDE 3
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13:16.25annmamost other programs?
13:16.53annmain short you expect Enter to act as mouse click
13:17.14HensonDannma: well, I know for sure that it happens in okular.  I think it has happened in 1 other program but I can't remember what it was.  But all other apps except okular and 1 other work as expected.  Other operating systems work as I expect.
13:17.34HensonDannma: and yes, when a directory is highlighted in the window, I expect Enter to work as a mouse click.
13:17.43annmaHensonD: it happens in ALL file dialogs
13:17.49Jucatoactually
13:17.50annmaas it's a KFileDialog bug
13:18.00annmaHensonD: OK
13:18.04annmaJucato: yes?
13:18.11Jucatoit happens in Save As only (not Open), and I think it still goes through with the save
13:18.22Jucato(tried with Konq atm, 4.2.4)
13:18.40HensonDannma, jucato: so this bug happens with apps other than okular?
13:18.49Jucatoso an Enter action with the folder highlighted 1) goes into the folder (cd) and 2) Saves
13:19.02JucatoHensonD: as you yourself said above :)
13:19.13Indianannma
13:19.18IndianWORKS
13:19.28sxehey how.. i updated to kde4.3dev but all tags in dolphin are gone. has someone a clue whats going wrong and how i can get my tags back? thx
13:19.43Indianthe problem was the gcc-c++
13:19.53Indianwas not  installed
13:19.53annmaIndian: yes, I told you :)
13:19.59Indianlol
13:20.10Indianthank u
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13:20.24annmasxe: ask your distro about nepomuk, if they kept the same backend
13:20.30annmaduring the upgrade
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13:20.44sxeok.. thx
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13:20.55Indiansee u don't wal in the sun without a hat
13:21.01Indianwalk
13:21.39HensonDJucato: so is this a bug, or is this intended?
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13:22.20JucatoHensonD: sounds like a bug. but, again, it's not okular only.
13:22.35Jucato(since all KDE apps use the same dialogs for open/save(as)
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13:23.05HensonDjucato: ok.  I verified it with gwenview as well.  For some reason I thought it was okular only, and for some reason I remember checking other apps.  Oh well, as long as it's on the bug list.
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13:24.23sxeannma: its the same backend.. they have not changed it so far
13:26.36annmawhich one?
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13:29.12sxeannma: Used Soprano Backend=sesame2
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13:31.11annmasxe: look in your 'kde4-config --localprefix'/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/
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13:31.59Eternal_Sinhi everyone
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13:33.04Eternal_SinI have kde 3.5.10, is recommended upgrade my kde version?
13:33.21sxeannma: i don't understand what you mean
13:33.45annmasxe: type kde4-config --localprefix in konsole
13:33.58annmareplace this witht he given path in above path
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13:35.16sxeah lol ..
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13:35.23sxei know what you are doing ..
13:35.26sxei'm stupid ^^
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13:36.20sxethere is a dir main ..
13:36.34sxein that dir there a several files and directorys..
13:36.48annmaso you mostly have the data
13:37.49sxeok nice.. but no tags :P
13:38.15annmadid you ask in your distro channel what happen to other users with the same upgrade?
13:38.38sxeyes.. but no one seems to use this feature.. :)
13:38.52sxeso i'm a lonely bug hunter ^^
13:39.25annmatry adding a tag
13:39.32annmadoes it stay?
13:39.53sxeyes
13:40.36Eternal_SinI have kde 3.5.10, is recommended upgrade my kde version?
13:40.58sxeonly if you miss something Eternal_Sin
13:40.59annmaEternal_Sin: you do as you want, look at kde website to see if KDE4 peases you
13:41.06annmapleases
13:41.23annmaif you are happy with 3.5, noneed to change
13:42.03Eternal_SinI've been using kde 4.2 and 4.1, honestly, kde 4.2 is great, but im in debian lenny and the last time i've tried kde 4.2 from SID repositories was a disaster
13:42.15annmathat's not for us to comment
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13:42.44annmawe release tarballs
13:43.20Eternal_Sinyes, but deppend of your answers maybe i should upgrade my debian version to SID
13:43.44annmaask in #debian-kde
13:43.55Eternal_Sinok thanks
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13:48.43HensonDEternal_Sin: I use debian testing and I've tried several times to make the jump to KDE 4, but to do it on a system that already is running KDE 3 you have a ton of dependencies to worry about.  I simply did a re-install with Kubuntu 9.04.
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13:49.00tuxickwise choice
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13:49.21tuxickwhy bother with debiancient when kubuntu is there
13:49.25sxei switched on archlinux without problems..
13:49.30sxejust to let you know :)
13:49.46annmaexcept the tags sxe
13:49.49HensonDtuxick: I should mention that I use debian on all of my non KDE 4 systems :-)
13:50.06sxeannma: no .. thats a problem from switching from 4.2.4 to 4.3 :)
13:50.17sxeswitching from 3.5 works ^^
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13:52.48HensonDtuxick: I even tried compiling KDE 4 myself with my debian system so I wouldn't have to upgrade all of my packages.  Those are days of my life that I can never get back.
13:52.52HensonDtuxick: :-)
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13:55.08BCMMis it possible to specify how long Konsole needs to see no activity for before it considers a terminal "silent"?
13:55.27HensonDwell I gotta run.  annma, Jucato thanks for your help.
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13:58.48JyZyXELevery time i restart KDE the system tray gets fucked up
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13:59.17JyZyXELseriously the kicker is a piece of shit
13:59.57Eternal_Sincalm down dude xD
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14:00.31JyZyXELi need an alternative panel
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14:03.06thiagoJyZyXEL: right, that's why it was dumped in favour of plasma
14:03.09thiagokicker is gone in KDE 4
14:04.22JyZyXELthank god!
14:06.40Eternal_Sinkde 4.1.4 has kicker?
14:06.57annmakicker is gone in kde4 Eternal_Sin
14:07.15Eternal_Singood xD
14:07.37JyZyXELits prolly gonna take years for 4.2 to be available in debian
14:07.48annmacenturies even
14:07.53thiagoEternal_Sin: no, KDE 4 has no kicker
14:07.55thiago4.1 is 4
14:08.04thiagoJyZyXEL: make sure you're using at least 4.3
14:08.18JyZyXELill just get some other panel
14:08.18Eternal_SinJyZyXEL, in debian stable yes, in experimental is in 4.2.2
14:10.54sxeannma: I noticed that the soprano backend has changed to redland.. is it possible to get my sesam tags to the new backend?
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14:11.34annmaso the backend changed
14:11.53sxeyes.. but the defsaid to me they don't changed it ^^
14:12.02sxebut obv he is wrong
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14:13.27annmais nepomuk running right now?
14:13.48sxeyes..
14:13.54sxebut i can turn it off
14:15.05annmaI don't remember what happened when I changed
14:15.31sxehm .. can i migrate my files automatically?
14:15.44JyZyXELyou know what
14:15.51JyZyXELim upgrading to unstable
14:16.07sxei think it should be possible, cause if not all users will ost their tags when the backend gets changed?
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14:23.26annmasopranocmd might do it but I amnot sure how it works
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14:49.55yonkeltronis there a preferred way to burn cds with kde4?
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14:50.55boebbelk3b?
14:51.21yonkeltronwhat if i get an error about permissions on cdrecord?
14:52.10floeyonkeltron: set permissions :P
14:54.14sxewhats going wrong if i cannot change my sopranos backend to sesame2? openjdk6 is installed.
14:54.29yonkeltronfloe: is there a good way to do that?
14:54.54freeedrich|sxe: try with sun-jdk
14:55.09floeyonkeltron: check if the user is in in the appropriate group ("cdrom" - but may depends on distro)... you can use kuser
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14:55.09freeedrich|and get your JAVE_HOME stuff point to the right locations
14:55.34sxefreeedrich|: ok thx .. but i read openjdk is the best coiche.
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14:55.42sxechoice
14:55.43freeedrich|hmm
14:55.46freeedrich|no idea
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14:56.13yonkeltronfloe: and if i'm in that group and it still doesn't work. isn't it a bad idea to make cdrecord suid root?
14:56.49loktorHi ! Which shortcut do you use to change of desktop ? Thanks.
14:57.13yonkeltronloktor: are you asking about the desktop background
14:57.14yonkeltron?
14:57.43loktoryonkeltron: No. To switch from Desktop1 to desktop2 for example
14:57.44cb400floktor: Ctrl+f1|2|3|4
14:57.57cb400f.. by default
14:58.37floeyonkeltron: It's a security risk, yes. Depends on how and who is using your pc
14:58.52yonkeltronwell it's just me on my laptop
14:58.58yonkeltronbut why the hell should i have to do that?
14:59.06yonkeltronthere used to be some k3bsetup program
14:59.12yonkeltroni'm remembering all of a sudden
14:59.19loktorcb400f: Not really convenient.
14:59.43loktorcb400f: I used ctrl+tab, but it's alreayd used by Firefox or QtCreator
14:59.44yonkeltronloktor: it's a keyboard shortcut! what could be better?
14:59.53cb400floktor: then change it to whatever you find convienent...
15:00.10floeyonkeltron: So you are in cdrom group and your burning device has group cdrom set?
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15:00.15loktorcb400f: I was looking for an other idea.
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15:05.39spawn57hi, do any of you use digikam?
15:06.26thiagouses Dolphin to manage his photos
15:06.32spawn57oh
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15:08.00ScottGHow do I get gtk themes to work inside kde?
15:09.00WalexScottG: they just work for Gtk. You can do the reverse (or rather a simulation of the reverse) with a KDE plugin.
15:09.09thiagoselect the GTK theme in the KDE System Settings
15:09.17thiagoWalex: it's not a simulation
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15:11.37ScottGWalex: Well I have basically the same theme in the settings of both DE, but I am in kde and gnome apps are a little messed up
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15:11.58thiagoGNOME apps are GNOME's problems
15:11.59thiagowe can't help you
15:13.11ScottGI like the gnome theme I have better, so if there is a way I can just use that universaly that would be good
15:13.15ScottGeh okkkkkkk
15:13.52ScottGopps, sorry about the k's. Keyboard problem
15:13.58WalexScottG: there is plugin that tries to setup the Gtk theme to look like the current KDE theme, but GNOME app themes are not quite the same as Gtk themes.
15:14.45tuxickon radioswissjazz.ch i select the m3u, associated to embedded kmplayer_part, but that gives me half a black screen with no controls
15:14.48tuxickwhat's wrong?
15:15.03tuxickit does play sound though
15:15.51thiagoScottG: you can use Gtk themes in KDE 4 apps
15:16.04thiagojust select the Gtk+ theme in the KDE System Settings
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15:17.14ScottGI have but it looks different
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15:18.40Dodekhey, some time ago when I used kde (3.5) I used a keyboard layout switching facility in kcontrol. i'd like to know how this works internally and how can similar behavious (specifically exact layouts) can be achieved without kde itself. any clues?
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15:19.46thiagoDodek: it's all XKB
15:20.04WalexDodek: 'man setxkbmap' and the mysteries of XKB as <thiago> says.
15:22.22ScottGIf I select gtk things get kinda white everywhere
15:22.33ScottGthiago: ^
15:23.46thiagomake sure KDE isn't configured to "apply KDE settings to non-KDE applications" (I think that option is in Colours)
15:23.55thiagoand make sure Gtk isn't set to use Qt styles
15:24.18Dodekand where can i find xkb rules for kde keyboard layouts?
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15:24.27Dodekthe layout i used in kde seems to be missing
15:24.32edneymatiashi there
15:25.02thiagoDodek: they're all XKB
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15:25.05thiagoDodek: KDE has no hand in that
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15:26.57ScottGthiago: Well I found an "Apply colors to non-KDE applications" and unchecked that. Still having the problem. Where is that setting that you are talking about?
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15:27.41IndianHi
15:27.50thiagoScottG: yes, that was the one
15:28.36Indiandoes anyone knoes where can i dowload khelpcenter
15:29.31thiagoit's part of kdebase-rutime
15:29.33thiagoruntime
15:29.34ScottGthiago: Well then the problem still persists :/
15:29.55thiagoIndian: khelpcenter is always installed if any KDE application is installed
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15:30.03thiagoScottG: I don't know then
15:30.35ScottGthiago: Most things are dark like I want in the theme. But things like buttons and tabs and other things are white and all washed out.
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15:30.46IndianYeah but i instal the Kdevelop and did not install the help
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15:36.55sxehey annma.. :)
15:37.03sxei havea question again
15:37.21sxei think my problem with sopranos is, that the sesam backend cannot be loaded..
15:37.24thiagoshe's idle for over an hour
15:37.30sxebut i have all dependencies installed
15:37.41sxehm ok
15:37.42sxethx
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15:41.56IndianAnyone knoes how i can fix this
15:42.17IndianWhere can i get the help files for kdevelop
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15:42.39Indianples
15:42.41thiagokdevelop documentation is alongside kdevelop
15:42.43Indianhelp
15:42.48thiagowhen you build it from sources, it gets installed
15:42.59Indianbut it did'nt
15:43.10thiagodid you build from sources?
15:43.16Indian:)
15:43.37IndianI use the tool ad remove software
15:44.14thiagothen either build from sources, or go ask for help from whoever wrote that tool
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15:44.52Indiancan use the yum for that
15:45.08thiagoask #fedora
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17:10.33sxecan someone tell me how to bind a filetyp to a kio in dolphin?
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17:11.25sxei want to browse rar files with dolphin without ark
17:11.29sxeis that possible?
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17:22.55MoDaXsxe: is there kio_rar?
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17:23.11MoDaXI don't think so
17:23.11sxei installed kio_rar yes..
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17:25.41MoDaXsxe: there is should be something about it in kio_rar docs
17:25.50MoDaXs/is/
17:25.54MoDaX<PROTECTED>
17:25.59sxe:)
17:26.38sxethere is no possiblity the browser rar archives without kio? cause zip files are browsable
17:29.00MoDaXsxe: with the help kio_archive.so I guess
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17:29.04MoDaXhelp of*
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17:29.12sxehm ok .. thx
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17:31.25Pollywogis anyone else having problems with encrypting files with kgpg in KDE 4.2?
17:31.51PollywogI can decrypt but not encrypt and I can encrypt files on CLI
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17:39.04Pollywognevermind this kgpg bug appears to have been fixed in newer versions of kgpg
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17:43.00kc8hfii've rebuilt the database, still nothing
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18:12.22paolohi. is there a screen reader for kde? (like orca for gnome)
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18:14.20Erenis there a good way to sync your akregator/kmail/basket etc. settings from one pc to another*
18:14.22Eren?
18:14.38coz_hey guys... I am wondering if the  folder view widget can be made to be completely transparent until mouse over?
18:14.57Erensometimes, I have to use my laptop to fetch my emails, and sometimes desktop :) when I want to follow a specific thread, it will be spereted and I won't be able to read it correctly
18:15.03Erenso I want to sync them
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18:25.01ojwEren: I saw an article once from someone who put their home directory under source-control
18:25.19Erenojw: hm, that's a solution, too
18:25.22ojwdownload when you start using a computer, upload when you finish
18:25.25Erenbut I have thousands of mails on my laptop
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18:25.52Erenuploading and downloading them can be painful :\
18:26.16Eren[~/.kde4/share/apps]> du -hs kmail
18:26.18Eren1.1G    kmail
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18:28.32HalphaZhello
18:29.06HalphaZis there a method to configure an "active screen edge" to shutdown the screen?
18:29.23HalphaZit would be useful on notebooks
18:30.10Erenojw: any other ideas? =)
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18:32.04freeedrich|Eren: you could simply use rsync
18:32.10freeedrich|and exclude whatever you don't need.
18:32.19freeedrich|(or stuff, that is computer specific)
18:32.32Erenhm, I just need akregator and kmail
18:32.46Erenit sounds reasonable :)
18:32.54freeedrich|yeah.
18:33.07Erensearchs for how to use rsync
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18:33.29Erenhm, then, the only limitation will be the bandwidth the network can carry
18:33.45ErenI mean, 54Mbitp/s for wireless connections
18:33.51freeedrich|Eren: rsync -vaxcz --delete local_path/ user@remote:remote_path/
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18:34.15freeedrich|(do --dry-run until you figure it out the right way)
18:34.22freeedrich|Eren: well, only the first time :)
18:34.38Erenrsync's options are too complex, huh :\
18:34.44freeedrich|huh?
18:34.45freeedrich|no
18:34.54Erenlet me figure out what -vaxcv is
18:34.59Erenlooks for rsync --help :P
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18:36.21freeedrich|v -> verbose a -> archive x -> one filesystem only c -> check for differences by checksums -> z -> compress
18:37.02Erenoho, okie
18:37.10Erenfreeedrich|: thank you, I'll try it when I get home
18:37.25freeedrich|Eren: there might be file you don't want to sync.
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18:37.44Erenfreeedrich|: hmm, such as.. ?
18:37.46freeedrich|you'll need to "--exclude=" them
18:38.02freeedrich|I dunno. maybe akregatorrc on one should be different than on the other.
18:38.12Erenah, I got it
18:38.31freeedrich|or you don't want to have the index of your mails being copied all the time.
18:38.50Erensince I'll only sync kmail and akregator *datas* , I think it won't be a problem
18:39.14Erenafter 1 sync, other subsequent syncs will take short time, I hope :)
18:39.30freeedrich|you just need to be sure you always sync from/to the right one...
18:39.47freeedrich|yeah, it checks for differences.
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18:39.56freeedrich|and even does delta resolving
18:40.10Erenwoaw, it supports delta?
18:40.28freeedrich|Yeah, rsync is quite powerful.
18:40.34Erengreat =)
18:41.02Erenthanks freeedrich|
18:41.11freeedrich|np, you're welcome.
18:41.56freeedrich|Eren: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rsync
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18:43.11PhrkOnLshIs There any way to make nepomuk and strigi only index at certain times?
18:43.27PhrkOnLshnepomuk pegs my cpu, and it'd be nice if it only indexed at, say 3am
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18:43.50PhrkOnLshI ostly resrt to completely disabling it, but that kind of sucks, as nepomuk is very cool tech
18:44.15kc8hfiHow do you start up the digikam kioslave?
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18:46.35GarpQuestion: I switched from kde3 to kde4 (on some account) and want to switch back to kde3. Unfortunately, now kde seems not to work properly on my account, what should I do? Thanks.
18:47.14tuxickGarp: (re)move your config
18:47.24PhrkOnLshGarp: Your KDE3 applicatoins are now trying to use a KDE4 ~/.kde You'll have to mv ~/.kde ~/.kde4_backup
18:47.31PhrkOnLshand reconfigure your kde3 applications
18:47.35Garptuxick: OK, thanks.
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18:48.28piquadratHi! I'm on Fedora11 and would like to use Kaffeine (Qt4 edition) to play DVB Streams. But I can't find any settings to adjust deinterlacing. Any ideas where I can enable deinterlacing?
18:48.43GarpI'll try to get my old .kde from backups...
18:48.50Garpthanks for the suggestion, see ya
18:49.54PhrkOnLshanyone know how to control when nepomulk runs? ._.
18:50.04kc8hfihow do you start the kioslave for digikam?
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18:54.01JyZyXELwell what a nice thing the new KDE turned out to be
18:54.11JyZyXEL10 minutes of using and its already broken
18:54.50PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: What's broken?
18:55.04JyZyXELwas testing soundcards inside System Settings
18:55.10JyZyXELall of a sudden it crashed and had to xkill it
18:55.16annma_how can that break anything
18:55.18JyZyXELnow i can't access system settings anymore
18:55.24annma_distro?
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18:56.00annma_sounds like a broken install JyZyXEL
18:57.43JyZyXELno sounds like a bug
18:57.44annma_really?
18:57.44PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: actually that sounds like broken install.
18:57.44JyZyXELim seriosly hoping you can modify the panel in this version
18:57.44annma_especially as you don't state your distro
18:57.44PhrkOnLshyou can.
18:57.44JyZyXELthe default panel is absolutely terrible space waster
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18:57.44JyZyXELi mean there is nothing compact about this at all
18:57.45PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: press the cashew and have fun.
18:57.48annma_just remove it and make another one as you like it
18:59.05JyZyXELi can't find any sort of configuration for the panel
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18:59.20Half-LeftSo are all panels that make use of your screen width if you don't fill them up :p
18:59.23PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: THE CASHEW ON THE PANEL.
18:59.31PhrkOnLshcapslock, sorry
18:59.34annma_PhrkOnLsh: ;)
18:59.45PhrkOnLshmy laptop doesn't have a little capslock light :(
18:59.51JyZyXELit doesn't let you adjust almost anything
19:00.03JyZyXELi want the windows 2000 look
19:00.06Half-LeftUse it better
19:00.06JyZyXELtwo rows
19:00.12PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: What do you want to adjust? width? height? add widgets?
19:00.21PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: it uses two rows automatically when you have enough windows.
19:00.27PhrkOnLshin  4.2.2+ iirc
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19:06.10JyZyXELhttp://i42.tinypic.com/69jla9.jpg
19:06.17JyZyXELthats what i want my panel to look like
19:06.20JyZyXELsuper compact
19:07.48ZombieBearlol?
19:07.50pinotreeright click on an emty place on the taskbar → task bar settings → [x] force rows
19:08.16PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: Do you want it to be themed like that too? ;)
19:08.37ZombieBearlet's make a windows 2000 plasma theme!
19:08.39JyZyXELPhrkOnLsh, well thats not as important
19:08.39ZombieBearhaha
19:08.56JyZyXELbut its a pretty damn good coloring tbh
19:09.10ZombieBearit's way plain :/
19:09.19JyZyXELthats the way i want my stuff
19:09.25ZombieBearthen it's perfect
19:09.26ZombieBearXD
19:09.28JyZyXEL100% on usability
19:09.38|linex|Is it possible to make the K start button wider ?
19:09.41ZombieBearplain isn't the only way of achieveing usability
19:09.46PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: install flux than? :)
19:09.54|linex|Or have a wider Kstart button ?
19:10.03PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: mine is the furthest thing from plain, and more usable than any other setup i've seen
19:10.04JyZyXELpinotree, there is no task bar settings
19:10.08PhrkOnLshcompletely keyboard based :)
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19:10.32pinotreesure there is, you jave to *right* click on an empty place of the taskbar
19:10.35ZombieBearcolorschemes don't have to be plain to be functional
19:10.48ZombieBearglaciar is nice and not plain
19:10.48JyZyXELTask Manager Settings
19:10.49JyZyXELthats what you mean?
19:10.50pinotreeyes
19:10.52ZombieBearas an example
19:10.53pinotreeyes
19:10.53PhrkOnLshKDE's desktop effects rule for usability really.
19:11.00PhrkOnLshCoverflow+presentwindows. ;)
19:11.00JyZyXELoh ok
19:11.14JyZyXELthen how bout the icons on system tray?
19:11.19JyZyXELand application buttons
19:11.22|linex|The leap to 4.3 is not as great as the leap to 4.2
19:11.23pinotree?
19:11.25JyZyXELi need those to two rows too
19:11.31ZombieBearwow
19:11.41JyZyXELand smaller icons
19:11.45ZombieBeari'm surprised at how comfortable the "Peace" color scheme is on my eyes
19:11.55pinotreeyou cannot have smaller icons, given the size for the is 22px
19:11.56ZombieBeari thought i'd hate it i just wanted to test
19:12.13JyZyXEL16px icons
19:12.17pinotreesystem tray will arrange the items in more than one row if the height is enough
19:12.29ZombieBearawesome
19:12.31JyZyXELok good
19:12.34ZombieBeari had no idea about that one
19:12.43JyZyXELso whats the height?
19:13.08pinotree?
19:13.16JyZyXELthought so you have to have a ridiculously big panel for that to happen
19:13.20JyZyXELcause the icons are way too big
19:13.31dariohi, i'm having problems trying to build the sesame2 backend for soprano from trunk. I set JAVA_HOME but cmake can't find jni and says to set JAVA_HOME
19:13.34pinotree22pix is not big
19:13.42PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: take it up with opendesktop if they are too big ;)
19:13.43JyZyXELyes it is
19:13.49JyZyXELi want 16px
19:13.54pinotreeyou can_not_
19:13.58JyZyXELwhy not
19:14.05PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: it's six f... six pixels, man.
19:14.28PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: because to do that you'd have to compile every single app with systray support that you used ;)
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19:14.47hiemanshuI want to know where the KDE Quick Launcher plasmoid files are stored
19:14.54JyZyXELwhat the heck are you talking about
19:14.55hiemanshuI mean Application Launcher
19:15.02PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: the icons are hardcoded.
19:15.20PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: you can't, from a user standpoint, change those icon sizes.
19:15.33paolohi. is there a screen reader for kde? (like orca for gnome)
19:15.36PhrkOnLshIt's just not built that way.
19:15.42JyZyXELever heard of resizing?
19:15.52PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: see above statement.
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19:17.00hiemanshuI want to know where the KDE Application Launcher plasmoid files are stored
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19:17.27JyZyXELand why is the font so big on the clock
19:17.28pinotreewhat are you looking for, in particular?
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19:17.34JyZyXELhow do i change the whole theme??
19:17.39JyZyXELthis default theme is horrible
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19:17.59annma_everything was done to be ugly JyZyXEL
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19:18.01Mannequin1hi. Sometimes KDE (I think I've KDE 4.2, on Kubuntu Intrepid) crashes, and it seems to be related to Firefox
19:18.12Half-LeftHow about just chilling out and stop complaining
19:18.13Mannequin1(not able to reproduce it yet, it seems to happen randomly)
19:18.14JyZyXELannma_, no everything was done to look good
19:18.17annma_we like to displease users
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19:18.26JyZyXELthey didnt give a shit about usability
19:18.32Mannequin1so, any know issues between Firefox 3 and KDE 4?
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19:18.41hiemanshupinotree, i want the image of the application launcher
19:18.44hiemanshukde 4.2.3
19:18.46PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: wtf are you talking about? define usabilty? I have a feeling that is a very contentious debate.
19:18.46annma_we didn't, surely not, JyZyXEL
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19:19.06PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: I find the default theme very usable. You do not. Who is right?
19:19.13pinotreehiemanshu: you mean the kde logo?
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19:19.21PhrkOnLshYou surely? Find a different theme.
19:19.24hiemanshuFedora in my case
19:19.36PhrkOnLshMannequin1: no, except that it uses the GNOME theme by default.
19:19.42PhrkOnLshsince it's a gtk app
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19:19.55JyZyXELi can't find where to change themes
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19:20.08PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: systemsettings->appearance
19:20.10Rapphi everyone!
19:20.11PhrkOnLshor rather, no
19:20.12pinotreehiemanshu: that's a fedora customization, so i guess you should ask in #fedora-kde what was done in particular (replace the icon, or patch the code, etc)
19:20.16Rappanyone here using KDE 4.3 beta?
19:20.22PhrkOnLshright click the desktop, appearence settings, JyZyXEL
19:20.33hiemanshupinotree, whats the default location in KDE
19:20.35Rappi have one annoying problem: the mailfolder view in kmail shrinks in width every time i log in.
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19:20.45Rappit is getting smaller and smaller, and it is not resizable
19:21.02pinotreehiemanshu: ↑
19:21.23JyZyXELnothing changes the look of the panel
19:21.39hiemanshupinotree, no one answering there, so i ask what is the default location of the file so that i can look there
19:21.46PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: yes, it does. I know it does.
19:21.49PhrkOnLshI just did it ;)
19:21.51JyZyXELmhmm
19:22.08JyZyXELoh its called "Desktop theme"
19:22.13PhrkOnLshmhmm
19:22.28JyZyXELman these default ones are really bad
19:22.33PhrkOnLshe_e
19:22.37annma_;)
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19:22.43annma_make a good one
19:22.44hiemanshumeh
19:22.57pinotreehiemanshu: as i said, we don't know which kind of modification fedora did to the kmenu, so you should know that before asking "default location of file" (which?)
19:23.06PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: kde has an art mailing list, I'm sure they could use some help
19:23.10JyZyXELthe k menu is so laggy
19:23.16PhrkOnLshbest solution to problems with Free software: contribute!
19:23.31JyZyXELhow do you make the kmenu to look the good old way
19:23.33hiemanshupinotree, wasnt it named Kicker in 3.5?
19:23.33PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: right click the menu, go to menu settings, change to classic.
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19:23.37JyZyXELnice
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19:24.00pinotreehiemanshu: yes
19:24.02NSaibotJyZyXEL: what exactly is it that you don't like? be specific
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19:24.15annma_who would have thought people loved so much this classic menu, it's amazing
19:24.22hiemanshupinotree, thats where i went wrong, i might find it now
19:24.26JyZyXELwasting space with big items
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19:24.52NSaibotwhere? kmenu, desktop, ...?
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19:25.16PhrkOnLshall of it ;)
19:25.19JyZyXELin the panel and in the kmenu yea
19:25.27ZombieBearbtw
19:25.37ZombieBearthe Redmond theme is the win2k color scheme iirc
19:25.50JyZyXELand what about the Alt + F2
19:25.58JyZyXELwhats it called
19:26.02NSaibotkrunner
19:26.04PhrkOnLshkrunner
19:26.06PhrkOnLshkrunner <3
19:26.08JyZyXELits so laggy
19:26.15NSaibotyour system sucks then :P
19:26.16JyZyXELi start typing something and it starts drawin the icons
19:26.18ZombieBearkrunner == awesome
19:26.19hiemanshupinotree, where is kmenu installed? I cannot find anything by find / -iname kmeny
19:26.19PhrkOnLshkrunner is awesome.
19:26.20NSaibotas it is instant on mine
19:26.23JyZyXELlike omg its so laggy
19:26.23hiemanshukmenu*
19:26.26JyZyXELits just horrible
19:26.27ZombieBear4.3's krunner is a list
19:26.34ZombieBearand iirc will be much faster in rendering
19:26.38pinotreehiemanshu: which kde version do you have?
19:26.40PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: You should try fluxbox if all you want is speed and nothing else.
19:26.45hiemanshukde 4.2.3
19:27.06JyZyXELi don't wanna spend weeks configuring fluxbox
19:27.16annma_gnome maybe
19:27.23PhrkOnLshZombieBear: Icons are an optin though right? I like my icons
19:27.27PhrkOnLshor Sugar ;D
19:27.28pinotreeand you are spending weeks complaining about everything you see in kde?
19:27.31NSaibotJyZyXEL: you mean the startup or the actual presenting of the matches in the list?
19:27.35ZombieBeari'm not sure, i sure hope so
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19:27.40ZombieBearit's got icons on the list
19:27.42ZombieBearon the left side
19:27.45JyZyXELNSaibot, presenting matches
19:27.47annma_sugar! yes!
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19:27.56NSaibotJyZyXEL: ahh, mkey :)
19:28.23ZombieBearhttp://www.kdeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/r949375-krunner.jpg
19:28.23JyZyXELill go search for themes
19:28.25hiemanshuWhere can i change the default theme, i dont like Oxygen very much and cant find anything to replace it
19:28.29pinotreehiemanshu: then it is like i said in the first place, please ask in #fedora-kde a) where they install that widget (most probably in the system location, ask which is in fedora) b) which local change they do to the kmenu appearance to replace its logo with the fedora
19:28.31ZombieBearjyzyxel
19:28.34NSaibotJyZyXEL: depends of course on the runners you activated there
19:28.35ZombieBearif you're looking for plain
19:28.37pinotree.... logo
19:28.38ZombieBearlook at barenaked
19:29.00JyZyXELis kde-look the place to look
19:29.09NSaibothiemanshu: do you guys even try and look for the usual places before asking?
19:29.31ZombieBearoh WOW
19:29.37ZombieBearcarbon looks SHARP now!
19:29.43pinotreehiemanshu: right click on the desktop → desktop settings → theme
19:29.48hiemanshuNSaibot, i know where to look, i have changed all kde setting but cant find how to replace the Desktop theme, that is Oxygen right now
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19:30.34ZombieBeari'm switching my plasm theme to carbon till i switch to 4.3
19:30.40ZombieBeari can't wait to use Air
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19:31.01hiemanshupinotree, i wanna change the style, menu > system > system setting> apperance
19:31.12hiemanshuthere is Oxygen, i wanna change that one
19:31.22sxei use glassified.. its so great
19:31.25pinotreechoose another one?
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19:31.57hiemanshusxe, me too
19:32.08hiemanshupinotree, i dont like the default ones
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19:32.28JyZyXELwhy is the clock so big on every theme?
19:32.38JyZyXELits like 30px font or something
19:32.53pinotreehiemanshu: ok, we got that; now, you know where to change it, so just change style
19:32.55NSaibotJyZyXEL: screenshot
19:32.57makmanalpJyZyXEL: you can resize plasmoids
19:33.20hiemanshupinotree, cant i add new ones?
19:33.31PhrkOnLshJyZyXEL: again, right click the clock, go to setting, change the font.
19:33.52JyZyXELyou can only change font
19:33.53JyZyXELnot size
19:34.21NSaibotJyZyXEL: well, there several clocks, which one?
19:34.22pinotreehiemanshu: styles for applications are binary plugins, so you need to get them and compile them, or install them via the package manager of your distro
19:34.33JyZyXELDigital Clock
19:34.35JyZyXELdefault
19:34.53NSaibotJyZyXEL: in the control panel?
19:35.05NSaibotthere's no default, depends on your distribution
19:35.21NSaibotah, wait, there is :)
19:35.40NSaibotand yes, you can't change the size :P
19:35.54NSaiboti have the date shown, so it's quite alright
19:35.56TheRealPsychomaxHi there. Why is Dolphin not doing *word* wrap?
19:36.35NSaibotJyZyXEL: either that, or resize the control panel
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19:36.44hiemanshupinheiro, what is QtCurve?
19:37.32NSaibotTheRealPsychomax: you mean the filename?
19:37.37TheRealPsychomaxYep.
19:37.45NSaibotit doesn't?
19:37.54PhrkOnLshhiemanshu: a theme designed to allows gtk kde3 and kde4 apps to look the same
19:37.59TheRealPsychomaxNo. It breaks iin the middle of words.
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19:38.19hiemanshuPhrkOnLsh, how do i install it?
19:38.30pinheirohiemanshu:  aqt style
19:38.31PhrkOnLshhiemanshu: distro?
19:38.31ZombieBearusually your distro will have a package for it
19:38.42amigravehow can I programatically (script, ruby/python binding or dbus) change the keyboard repeat rate and delay in kde4 ?
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19:39.04hiemanshuPhrkOnLsh, Fedora
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19:39.45underscoreshiemanshu: yum search packagename_here
19:40.05underscoreshiemanshu: look if there is the package you are searching for :)
19:40.09PhrkOnLsh[rrix@TheSwan bin]$ yum search qtcurve
19:40.15PhrkOnLshhm no matches :o
19:40.21hiemanshuno matched
19:40.30PhrkOnLshhiemanshu: go bug someone in #fedora, there should be a package for it
19:40.32NSaibotTheRealPsychomax: yeah, don't know why :)
19:41.06TheRealPsychomaxWell, how can this be reported to the KDE developers?
19:41.17NSaibotbugs.kde.org
19:41.21JyZyXELwhat the hell
19:41.21TheRealPsychomaxI see
19:41.31underscoresPhrkOnLsh: what is qtcurve?
19:41.35JyZyXELhas the ability to use backgrounds in konqueror been removed?
19:41.46ZombieBearhuiemanshu
19:41.56ZombieBearhttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/QtCurve+KDE3+&+Gtk2+for+Fedora+AMD64!?content=66557
19:42.00ZombieBearold package
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19:42.09ZombieBearfor gtk and qt3
19:42.14PhrkOnLshunderscores: theme for gtk kde3 kde4 that allows all apps to have same styled widgets
19:42.29TheRealPsychomaxIn my opinion, KDE 4 is still lacking behind the other dekstops. Even Windows XP is more mature.
19:42.36underscoresPhrkOnLsh: you mean like bluecurve?
19:42.44underscoresor quaticurve?
19:42.47PhrkOnLshidk, never used bluecrurve
19:42.53underscoresquarticurve*
19:42.54PhrkOnLshTheRealPsychomax: in what aspects?
19:43.04TheRealPsychomaxWhich is sad because KDE, as a GPL project, could outpeform the others.
19:43.04JyZyXELhas the ability to use backgrounds in konqueror been removed?
19:43.06PhrkOnLshand, yeah, winXP is more mature :)
19:43.13underscoresqt4-theme-quarticurve.i586 : Unofficial port of the Bluecurve widget theme to Qt 4 <--this one?
19:43.26PhrkOnLshworth a shot?
19:43.30NSaibotTheRealPsychomax: can't use XP on my old box with all the bling, though ;)
19:43.33Half-LeftTheRealPsychomax: Erm well it's about 8 years out XP is, so yeah, dug.
19:43.39underscoresPhrkOnLsh: dunno, I'm not looking for it :D
19:43.51underscoreshiemanshu: hey, try the one I posted :D
19:44.01hiemanshuyup checking
19:44.06underscoreshiemanshu: search for curve, and then look at it
19:44.07PhrkOnLshTheRealPsychomax: KDE is definitely more usable than XP fimo. It has better applications and integration
19:44.14freinhardTheRealPsychomax: wait another 7 years and we'll see where kde4 stands.
19:44.16underscoreshiemanshu: there are 2 very similiar packages alhtough
19:44.17Half-Leftduh!
19:44.20PhrkOnLshsure, there are some rough edges, but it already greatly outperforms XP and Vista.
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19:44.31TheRealPsychomaxEven a new shot like Dolphin looks more like a Windows 3.x program than a modern file manager.
19:44.51NSaibotTheRealPsychomax: now that's bs
19:45.02underscoresand not true
19:45.02PhrkOnLshagreed, NSaibot
19:45.12TheRealPsychomaxNo, serious.
19:45.16hiemanshuI wanna install this and it needs QtCurve http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/darkPearl+for+QtCurve?content=97644
19:45.26freinhardTheRealPsychomax: <°))))>< there you go
19:45.39dariohi, i'm having problems trying to build the sesame2 backend for soprano from trunk. I set JAVA_HOME but cmake can't find jni and says to set JAVA_HOME
19:45.40NSaibotTheRealPsychomax: i agree that it lacks some functionality, but windows 3.x .. c'mon
19:45.52TheRealPsychomaxI think MacOS is a role model.
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19:46.10PhrkOnLshMacOS is nothing but shiny and chrome.
19:46.11TheRealPsychomaxIt is modern looking, usable and has solid (UNIX) foundation.
19:46.24underscoressounds like linux to me :D
19:46.29TheRealPsychomaxMac users are happy. Can you tell me why?
19:46.34NSaibotTheRealPsychomax: as you might know MacOS X was unusable until what 10.4? i dunno
19:46.37PhrkOnLshbecause they are fanboys ;)
19:46.40hiemanshuunderscores, nope
19:46.40freeedrich|Drugs.
19:46.56underscoreshiemanshu: I dunno if that package was what you are searching for ._.
19:46.57PhrkOnLshNSaibot: It only took them ten version's. not bad.
19:47.05underscoreshiemanshu: you should ask in #fedora about that problem
19:47.09TheRealPsychomaxNo, they find it very easy to operate.
19:47.41ZombieBearbecause they paid so much for their pc that they'd feel stupid if they didn't show themselves as being so?
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19:47.53underscoresyeah although Apple creates programes after the HIG :)
19:48.05annma_ZombieBear: lol
19:48.10underscoresbut thats not realy the place to disguss that :D
19:48.19underscoresZombieBear: lol :D
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19:48.33NSaibotTheRealPsychomax: i can't run MacOS X on my old box as well :/
19:48.38TheRealPsychomaxNo, we should talk about improving KDE
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19:48.49NSaibotTheRealPsychomax: that's what we do :)
19:48.50PhrkOnLshTheRealPsychomax: then, go for it :)
19:48.57underscoresand why should that be related to MacOS?
19:49.01PhrkOnLshbut saying "Be MacOSX" is kinda vague
19:49.08Half-LeftOnly if you know what you're talking about
19:49.23TheRealPsychomaxI do not have the time to brush up my C++ and learn KDE hacking. That's the problem.
19:49.47PhrkOnLshTheRealPsychomax: there's room for suggestions, if you're specific
19:49.55NSaiboti think the foundations (pillars) of KDE are capable to do more than what you have on Mac ... it just needs some time and *more devs*
19:49.55PhrkOnLshyou don't need to be a hacker.
19:50.03TheRealPsychomaxok.
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19:50.52NSaibotTheRealPsychomax: try to talk with the guys on #kde-usability if have some suggestions
19:51.00TheRealPsychomaxok.
19:51.10NSaibotyou'll have to provide some mockups though ;)
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19:51.43TheRealPsychomaxWell, I think that X.org as the underlying system needs to improve, too.
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19:51.51NSaibotsure
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19:52.34Half-LeftTheRealPsychomax: Yes, you can thank it for some nasty KDE4 bugs
19:52.48NSaibotif that thing becomes faster i'll not need to buy a new pc for the next 10 years ;)
19:53.31TheRealPsychomaxI think accelated and latency-free 2D rendering is key.
19:53.43NSaiboti'll need a sharp knife though to make a dual/quad core out of my single p4 core :)
19:53.55hiemanshuhow do i compile source of QtCurve, it uses cmake
19:54.11NSaibotyou need cmake :P
19:54.26hiemanshui have cmake
19:54.29annma_and there should be a file with instructions on how to build it
19:54.32hiemanshuhow do i compile it?
19:55.15annma_make a build dir, for ex under the root source
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19:56.09hiemanshuannma_, found a README to help, thanks
19:56.15annma_cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/where/KDE/is/installed ..
19:56.20annma_ah OK grat
19:56.22annma_grat
19:56.25annma_great
19:57.25hiemanshuannma_, where is KDE install on Fedora?
19:57.33annma_no idea
19:57.37annma_in konsole, type
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19:57.45annma_kde4-config --prefix
19:57.55annma_the result is the path to KDE is installed
19:58.07hiemanshu<PROTECTED>
19:58.12annma_that's it
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19:58.44NSaibotcmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix`
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19:59.18annma_cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` ..
19:59.29annma_if you have a build dir inside root dir
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20:00.00annma_root source dir of the app you build
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20:02.45hiemanshui get this error : http://fpaste.org/paste/15985
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20:07.29NSaibotinstalling themes should be more user friendly methinks
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20:08.06JyZyXELcan you alter the widget size?
20:08.18NSaibotplasmoid? yes
20:08.27JyZyXELwhats a plasmoid
20:08.45hiemanshuJyZyXEL, heard of google.com?
20:09.13JyZyXELhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasmoid
20:09.16NSaibotJyZyXEL: widgets == plasmoids ;)
20:09.24genewbiehow can i set my numlock to automatically start everytime i boot into my system in KDE4.2
20:09.29NSaibotas they run on plasma :)
20:09.31JyZyXELhow do you then alter the size?
20:09.41JyZyXELi was only able to alter their place
20:09.44NSaibotunlock the widgets and use the resize button
20:09.50hiemanshuJyZyXEL, using scissors and tape
20:10.16NSaibotthe toolbar which appears on the side ... there's a resize button
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20:10.46NSaibotyou should watch some youtube videos about plasma/kde/plasmoids ;)
20:11.08genewbienevermind, i found it.
20:11.42JyZyXELi can't find it
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20:12.05JyZyXELyou first press the bean?
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20:12.44NSaibotno
20:13.00JyZyXELwell then i have no idea
20:13.06NSaibotmouse over the plasmoid and see the toolbar appear on the left/right side of the widget
20:13.15JyZyXELno?
20:13.18JyZyXELtheres no toolbar
20:14.03NSaibothttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep5auJA0z28
20:14.38JyZyXELso?
20:14.43JyZyXELwhy is there no toolbar
20:14.54NSaibotdid you unlock the widgets?
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20:15.00JyZyXELno?
20:15.02JyZyXELhow do you do that
20:15.10NSaibotright click on the desktop and unlock them
20:15.16NSaibotCTRL + L should work as well
20:15.35JyZyXELbut theres only "Lock widgets"
20:15.40NSaibothmmm
20:15.53NSaibotthen you're screwed :P
20:16.04NSaibotwhich widget?
20:16.09JyZyXELthe digital clock
20:16.15NSaibotin the control panel?
20:16.20JyZyXELno
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20:16.25NSaibotstand alone?
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20:16.30JyZyXELno in the panel ofc
20:17.08NSaibotif it's in a panel you'll have to resize the panel, as the widgets have to obey the size of the containment afaik
20:17.29JyZyXELare you fucking kidding me
20:17.53NSaibothm?
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20:19.00JyZyXELthe System Monitors are way too huge
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20:19.57NSaibotresize the panel
20:19.59JyZyXELthey are 60 pixels wide
20:20.03JyZyXELit doesn't matter
20:20.08JyZyXELtheir still 60 pixels wide
20:20.10NSaibotcan i have a screenshot please
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20:20.27Half-LeftWhy bother?
20:20.39NSaibotjust trying to help
20:21.12NSaibothe might turn out to be a god damn usability god
20:21.27erik-kI must say, going from qt-4.4 to 4.5 has made a massive difference in usability via speed
20:21.49JyZyXELhttp://i41.tinypic.com/2hx3cc2.jpg
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20:22.28Half-LeftHelping someone who swears at just about every thing wrong with KDE4's new thing is not my idea of supporting someone.
20:22.30NSaibotJyZyXEL: well, yeah ... i think you can't do much about that :) ...
20:23.18NSaibotHalf-Left: whatever ... i'm extraordinary calm today ... just enjoing the condition :)
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20:23.51NSaibotJyZyXEL: you can double the amount of virtual desktops as a workaround
20:24.11Half-LeftNSaibot: Good luck
20:24.17NSaibothehe
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20:24.34JyZyXELanother thing is that on the new konqueror displaying 10 files took 200 pixels in height when in the old one it only took 170 pixels
20:24.44JyZyXELso what the hell kind of improvement is that shit
20:24.45NSaibotit's a new experience for me ... as i'm usually a freakin psycho ... ask my wife ;)
20:25.10NSaibotwhat do you mean?
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20:25.30neekuhi
20:25.44neekui made a mess with color settings in kwrite. how can i reset it to defaults?
20:25.48JyZyXELand in gnome-commander you can display 10 files in under 150px
20:25.49NSaibotJyZyXEL: and set the row count = 2
20:26.05NSaibotJyZyXEL: i don't give a sh*t what gnome does ... usually ;)
20:27.04NSaibotJyZyXEL: gnome tries hard to catch up with kde 4 ... so good luck with the stuff they use (c? vala? mono?)
20:27.17JyZyXELwell gnome-panel is actually pretty nice you know
20:27.24Half-Leftlol
20:27.25JyZyXELyou can optimize it pretty well
20:27.34JyZyXELthat about only thing they got right lol
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20:27.55erik-kJyZyXEL: Settings -> configure konqueror -> file management -> views -> icons -> grid spacing to none
20:27.57Half-LeftApart from guessing dropping the icon game
20:27.58NSaibotJyZyXEL: to be honest, the gnome panel is ugly as hell
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20:28.39scummoshi, can i use powerdevil under another desktop environment than kde?
20:28.46erik-kwishes that building koffice 2 in the background wasn't making his machine irritatingly slow but big compiles always do that :/
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20:29.06NSaiboterik-k: distcc ftw :P
20:29.11yonkeltronerik-k: get a compile cluster!
20:29.13scummosor, better -- where are the scripts powerdevils uses to hibernate my computer? :)
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20:29.36JyZyXELerik-k, do you also know how to set the background image for file management?
20:29.36erik-kNSaibot: Last time I tried it I got nothing but a mess of errors.
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20:30.26NSaiboterik-k: you might want to join me with "use a sharp knife to make several cpu cores out of one"
20:30.37JyZyXELerik-k, also there is no grid spacing in details view
20:30.40JyZyXELthey forgot to put it in
20:31.17JyZyXELalso the icon size sliders only go to 16px
20:31.58NSaibot16px is to big?
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20:32.18NSaibot640x480?
20:32.19JyZyXELwell some people like to use 12px or 14px
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20:33.10JyZyXELalso i think the padding between rows is 2 px
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20:33.28JyZyXELor even more
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20:33.55JyZyXELits not optimized enough
20:34.02JyZyXELand its not letting user to optimize it themselves
20:34.06erik-kYou're annoyed over 1/50 of an inch of space between rows? Dude.
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20:34.09NSaibotagreed, not a showstopper for me though
20:34.44JyZyXELerik-k, i wanna be able to see as many files as possible
20:35.21NSaibotyou simply can't please every ass on the planet you know
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20:35.51JyZyXELwell in this cause you could have just added it in the configuration
20:35.53JyZyXELbut no
20:36.04erik-kA larger monitor will so a much better job than trying to shrink the UI
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20:36.28JyZyXELyea well if the UI is shrinken on large monitor it does even better
20:36.41NSaibotgtg, bye
20:36.51JyZyXELnow where is the background setting
20:36.55JyZyXELfor file browsing
20:36.58JyZyXELi can't find it anywhere
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20:38.32secleinteerhi, i got a message saying that the internal pc speaker could be disabled, and i did so. this made my hdmi audio device 1 in alsa (the mobo audio is device 0). but then somehow the pc speaker got reenabled and now it's device 1, and hdmi audio is device 2, and i've thus lost hdmi audio. is there some way to re-disable the pc speaker, so i can get hdmi audio back?
20:38.49secleinteeri.e., i want to know how to manually access that disable message
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20:48.24DexterFhow can one update the kde3 menu after installing packages?
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20:56.11PhrkOnLshi get failed ssl
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21:05.42Lars_Gis there any way I can reorganize the windows of a group and only those? for exampel tile all windows in a group in the taskbar
21:05.50Lars_GI'm using 4.3beta
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21:07.09PhrkOnLshhi Lars :)
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21:08.20Lars_GHey PhrkOnLsh what ya doing here?
21:08.30PhrkOnLshRunning KDE ;)
21:08.30Lars_GI went around hackndev and marex almost beat me
21:08.46PhrkOnLshYeah, he'll do that. Why do you think I'm not in there anymore.
21:08.57PhrkOnLshHave you used kmail to connet to gmail?
21:09.06Lars_GNo, not yet
21:09.12PhrkOnLshhmm
21:09.15PhrkOnLshI'm getting ssl errors ;(
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21:11.26PhrkOnLsh:/ I"m just having internet problems, I think.
21:11.35PhrkOnLshNone of my ssl connections are working :/
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21:33.31admiral0hi. i was trying to compile kio_mtp from playground
21:33.54admiral0there is no cmakelists.txt nor any configure script
21:33.59admiral0how do i build it
21:34.00admiral0?
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21:43.23admiral0anybody... it's just 4 files...
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21:50.29PhrkOnLshwhat are the files?
21:50.35PhrkOnLshmaybe just gcc *.c
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22:53.57drosgood evening! I am having this strange problem: I only get sound from rear speakers when I use amarok. With other apps, the front speakers work. Any clues? (kubuntu - kde 4.2.2)
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22:54.48blaHi.
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22:55.23blaHow can I disable automatic hibernation in kde (kubuntu)? We see no powermanagement options in systemsettings; Kde won't start as it hibernates computer right after start (some acpi problem)
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22:59.43ritekdoes anybody know the differences or advantages of programming using KDE libraries or by using Qt ones?
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23:00.44ritekI know that KDE is based on Qt or something like that, but what are the advantages/differences of using either kde or qt?
23:00.49Mamarokritek: that would be a question for the -devel channel I think
23:01.02ritek#kde-devel?
23:01.11Mamarokyes
23:01.57Mamarokritek: but don't expect much reaction now, it's still sunday Night or early Monday morning in many parts of the world
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23:03.11ritekMamarok, good point
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23:31.05erik-kAurgh, what happened to all the nice colored-folder icons?
23:31.29erik-kI found one blue one and that's it...
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23:35.46erik-kWait, koffice 2 doesn't read ooxml?
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23:36.09pinotreenobosy wrote a filter for it so far, i guess
23:38.55erik-kAnd why, WHY does it default to A4 instead of letter?
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23:46.29tetraedrhi
23:46.39tetraedrhow do I make kde4 to don't take shift-tab?
23:46.42derek_kerik-k: that is in system settings. the A4.
23:46.44tetraedrI can't find where is it mapped :(
23:47.00derek_kerik-k: locale, or something similar.
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