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| 00:06.46 | Fanfare | Hi @ all. Any suggestions on this one? A Fax-Solution Kabc <-> capisuitefax. http://rafb.net/p/nkvNYp12.html |
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| 00:10.31 | lemma | Fanfare: what do you mean by "suggestion"? is it not working and you need help or you want someone to tell you if it's a good idea? |
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| 00:11.18 | marc_paris | hi |
| 00:11.50 | maazu | hi |
| 00:11.54 | peaches__ | hey buddy |
| 00:11.56 | Fanfare | lemma: last :-) it works but im asking for some general suggestions like a more generic tempfile handling aso |
| 00:12.04 | marc_paris | i use kde 4.2.1, when i do a suspend to ram... and i come back.... the screen is not locked.... when i go in the setting of powerevil, the screen is supposed to be lock... any idea? |
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| 00:12.57 | Fanfare | also i noticed that kdialogs feedback is not what it should! its always true! |
| 00:14.19 | peaches__ | Fanfare: $RANDOM gives random number |
| 00:15.41 | ganeshix | What is the best way to share an iCal calendar between several computers in a network. Should I install somthing like Kolab? |
| 00:16.01 | lemma | Fanfare: sorry, no suggestions by me - I'm not a bash wizard. but I can confirm what you said about kdialog. could you please file a bugreport at bugs.kde.org? |
| 00:17.09 | Fanfare | what about the path for the tempfile? How to get the tempfile path? i want it most generic... no username/machinename |
| 00:17.24 | Fanfare | lemma: k, i'll try... |
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| 00:17.58 | lemma | Fanfare: you could use the tempfile command |
| 00:17.58 | Fanfare | ganeshix: kolab is a bit big for just calendars |
| 00:18.32 | Fanfare | IIRC kde-ressources offers a calendar on a networkdrive |
| 00:18.41 | lemma | ganeshix: you could try using a calendar shared using ssh/webdav/.... but I don't know if there's any implications regarding concurrent read/write/sync |
| 00:18.56 | Fanfare | sadly it only offers a file, not a dir |
| 00:19.16 | deitarion | peaches__: Yes, actually. |
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| 00:20.32 | deitarion | peaches__: I suspect that, if I had time to patch away the glow that auto-hide panels make when the mouse gets close, it'd go away. |
| 00:20.38 | josh-l | hi, which distro do you guys find to be the most solid (least buggy) for kde (latest release)? |
| 00:20.52 | Fanfare | I do use shared calendar, no probs so far, but only 2 PCs |
| 00:20.57 | josh-l | Im mainly a gnome user, but i like kde a lot, i just found kubuntu buggy |
| 00:21.40 | ganeshix | Fanfare and lemma, tnx. |
| 00:22.05 | josh-l | eeny body? |
| 00:22.09 | deitarion | josh-l: I use Gentoo, but it's not really a good choice unless you regularly need to tweak compile-time options and mix and match package versions. |
| 00:22.47 | Fanfare | josh-l: im happy with kubuntu... |
| 00:22.52 | deitarion | Have you tried SuSE? I hear they're a good choice for KDE. |
| 00:22.53 | josh-l | deitarion: i dont like bothering with configing anymore... any second suggestion? |
| 00:22.56 | lemma | josh-l: it depends on your computing background. |
| 00:23.01 | maazu | kde4 is much stable now |
| 00:23.29 | josh-l | lemma: good, strong |
| 00:23.39 | lemma | josh-l: openSUSE is said to be a good choice but I suggest you try a few to see which one you like. after all you can download most distributions for free and run as a live cd |
| 00:23.45 | josh-l | but not into much manual config anymore |
| 00:24.06 | ganeshix | Fanfare, I'm not sure I understand. You can share a calendar between two computers? by using which software? |
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| 00:24.07 | josh-l | yeah ill give suse another shot last time i did i found it bloated |
| 00:24.25 | ganeshix | Calendar on a network drive? |
| 00:24.26 | lemma | just found an original SuSE 7 under his bed yesterday :) |
| 00:24.43 | josh-l | hehe eww gross bed |
| 00:24.51 | josh-l | spring cleaning needed |
| 00:25.05 | lemma | josh-l: I should clarify. it was in a box under my bed, not in a pile of dust :) |
| 00:25.15 | josh-l | ahhh ok :) |
| 00:25.30 | josh-l | fedora isnt really a good choice for kde is it |
| 00:25.33 | deitarion | Heh. I was just wondering what excuse GNOME fanboys will use next. KDE has always been technically superior, Qt is now LGPLed like GTK+, and KDE 4 brings a nice, comfortable, easy-to-use set of defaults like GNOME devs love to shout about. |
| 00:25.36 | ganeshix | I'm currently sharing a calendar using sshfs between two computers. I'm not sure if simultaneous editing would create a problem. |
| 00:25.50 | josh-l | i hear suse has a lot of kde devs working for/with suse devs |
| 00:26.25 | lemma | josh-l: yeah, true |
| 00:26.42 | ganeshix | Maybe by placing the calendar on a samba share and letting all users (3 now, but this will increase) access it should be enough. |
| 00:27.13 | deitarion | Ever wonder if, some day, they'll be left with nothing to claim as an advantage but their "no buttons/zen of simplicity" interface goals? |
| 00:27.16 | lemma | ganeshix: not sure either. sshfs sounds possible but I don't know if the calendar resource needs change notification for the file (and if sshfs supports it) |
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| 00:27.31 | ganeshix | The only problem is simultaneous access, I guess. Maybe the risk is the file being corrupted. |
| 00:28.06 | lemma | deitarion: I don't think it's that bad. sure, I'm not really fond of glib/gtk either but after all it's everyone's choice what they're coding with :) |
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| 00:29.22 | lemma | ganeshix: unfortunately I'm not aware of any docs/information clarifying this so you'll either have to dig the net, find someone who really knows or try |
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| 00:29.44 | deitarion | lemma: They spent years trying to get GnomeVFS right and now they've scrapped it for GIO... which also doesn't work very well. |
| 00:29.58 | ganeshix | lemma, another silly idea product of an almost computer illiterate like me: could I use cvs on each client to handle the single file. To handle the updating, synchronizing, patching, etc. |
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| 00:30.30 | ganeshix | About testing things, I love that. Even if I don't know what I'm doing... |
| 00:30.32 | szal | josh-l: you might wanna try Arch.. configure it once (manually), then never again as long as everything runs fine ;) |
| 00:31.06 | szal | josh-l: and as for SUSE (or Debian or *buntu, for that matter), you can start out w/ a minimal install and add to it to your liking |
| 00:31.25 | deitarion | lemma: They have no KParts equivalent I know of. D-Bus is closer to DCOP than CORBA. They're infamous for removing features and calling it progress. (And I've seen it happen to features I used) |
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| 00:33.01 | deitarion | Don't get me started on PulseAudio and GStreamer. Let's just say the devs and fans are immature and Pulse is at least as buggy as GnomeVFS and GIO. |
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| 00:33.35 | lemma | ganeshix: the biggest problem will be doing the actual work - it might turn out to be a big mess unless everyone involved knows how to handle the ical/vcal format and cvs |
| 00:33.50 | deitarion | In short, it's very frustrating that the crappier desktop gets all the marketing and default desktop status. |
| 00:34.04 | lemma | deitarion: I'm not saying it's all good. just that everyone is free to choose his own chores :) as are the users |
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| 00:34.16 | lemma | (and distributions) |
| 00:34.46 | szal | won't touch Pulse again until the majority of its users agree that it's a good thing |
| 00:35.48 | deitarion | Pulse is an excellent example of my point. The GNOME people wouldn't use a KDE technology because it's C++ and the KDE people don't use the GNOME tech because it's crap. |
| 00:36.07 | ganeshix | lemma, I see. It would not be worth the long work involved. |
| 00:36.35 | deitarion | ...and then the GNOME people take the moral high ground by claiming KDE doesn't look out for granny. |
| 00:36.41 | szal | has more experience w/ all the stuff from a user's point of view than from that of a developer |
| 00:37.01 | ganeshix | lemma, another idea. Is it possible that each client has her own calendar and then synchronize with a central calendar in a samba shared folder. If there is such a synchronization tool... |
| 00:37.28 | szal | and Pulse on F8 was total devastation.. at the time I had 2 sound cards installed and wasn't able to switch output of e.g. VLC player from one card to the other |
| 00:37.30 | deitarion | I'm a high-level (Python, PHP, etc.) programmer an UI-designer mostly. That's why it bugs me so much. Stability is at least as important to the user experience as intuitive interfaces. |
| 00:37.34 | JoshuaRL|away | is away: Gone away for now |
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| 00:38.09 | deitarion | In essence, I'm one of those rare programmers who understands the "I don't care how cool it is. Does it WORK?" viewpoint. |
| 00:38.21 | pinotree | â #kde-chat please |
| 00:38.27 | deitarion | Sorry. Shutting up. |
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| 00:38.58 | pinotree | you can *continue* you talk, just in #kde-chat |
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| 00:39.19 | pinotree | *your |
| 00:39.33 | deitarion | pinotree: Rebasing my chat in a different channel breaks my chain of thought. Besides, I have things I should be doing anyway. |
| 00:41.38 | lemma | ganeshix: sorry, no idea |
| 00:42.45 | ganeshix | lemma, that's the beauty of all these problems. Eventually, I'll figure it out. |
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| 00:49.09 | Fanfare | kdialog-bug entered. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186413 |
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| 00:51.48 | godguevara | excuse me how i copy konversation server list config? |
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| 00:52.44 | godguevara | hello |
| 00:53.21 | lemma | Fanfare: thanks |
| 00:54.05 | godguevara | i guess this is a stump? |
| 00:54.12 | lemma | godguevara: the configuration for konversation should be in ~/.kde/share/config/konversationrc |
| 00:54.24 | godguevara | looked blank |
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| 00:54.38 | x_link | Hi |
| 00:54.57 | lemma | godguevara: although you configured and used it before? |
| 00:55.06 | x_link | I just downloaded a .tar.gz-file from kde-look.org. From Themes/Styles |
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| 00:55.46 | x_link | But when I go to kcontrol -> Appearance & Themes - Theme Manager I can't pick the file. |
| 00:55.48 | godguevara | yeah i havent installed for awhile was more than a year ago i copied something |
| 00:55.54 | x_link | So could somebody please help me? |
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| 00:56.20 | lemma | x_link: which version of KDE are you on? |
| 00:56.52 | x_link | KDE 3.5.10 |
| 00:56.55 | lemma | godguevara: it should be this file. unless your distribution uses a different path for it |
| 00:57.15 | lemma | x_link: hm.. sorry, I don't have that one here. is the style/theme for KDE3? |
| 00:57.15 | x_link | Love KDE3, unfortunatly I didn't like KDE4 at all. |
| 00:57.28 | Fanfare | Does anyone know about the future of kprinter and kdeprintfax? |
| 00:57.30 | x_link | lemma: Yes, for KDE3. |
| 00:57.38 | pinotree | x_link: link to the theme? |
| 00:57.43 | x_link | pinotree: Sure |
| 00:57.43 | lemma | x_link: it's no problem if you don't like KDE4 :) it's just harder to get help for it |
| 00:57.58 | x_link | lemma: Yeah I understand =) |
| 00:58.33 | x_link | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Azenis?content=77150 |
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| 00:59.25 | x_link | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Black+Loadus?content=91437 |
| 00:59.26 | x_link | And that one |
| 00:59.39 | pinotree | you need dekorator and kbfx |
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| 01:00.03 | pinotree | mmost probably it includes installation instructions for the various bits |
| 01:00.39 | Jucato | mmaybe... :P |
| 01:00.55 | x_link | pinotree: Okey. |
| 01:00.55 | x_link | pinotree: For both? |
| 01:01.00 | pinotree | the latter looks like a theme for QtCurve, and a color scheme |
| 01:01.00 | x_link | Jucato: Hi!! How are you? |
| 01:01.11 | x_link | Jucato: I don't think you remember me =) |
| 01:01.20 | x_link | pinotree: Okey, I will try to fix it. Thanks alot! |
| 01:01.48 | x_link | I just want to ask one more thing. |
| 01:01.51 | Jucato | room cleanign :) |
| 01:01.55 | Jucato | cleaning* |
| 01:02.09 | x_link | Why isn't kcontrol and kedit in KDE4? |
| 01:02.20 | pinotree | kcontrol â systemsettings |
| 01:02.24 | x_link | Jucato: Nice =) |
| 01:02.35 | pinotree | kedit is superceeded by kwrite/kate |
| 01:02.39 | x_link | pinotree: I think kcontrol looks different, and has some things systemsettings doesn't. |
| 01:02.49 | pinotree | like? |
| 01:02.55 | x_link | pinotree: What is "superceeded"? |
| 01:03.01 | pinotree | obsolete |
| 01:03.09 | x_link | I will google it =) |
| 01:03.23 | Jucato | x_link: of course they look different. why would we change the name if they were just going to be exactly the same :) |
| 01:03.33 | maazu | bye all |
| 01:03.34 | lemma | x_link: superceeded ~ replaced |
| 01:03.48 | x_link | lemma: Yeah, just found it =) |
| 01:03.49 | x_link | Thanks! |
| 01:03.51 | pinotree | systemsettings and kcontrol have just different ui, but the configuration modules are pretty much the same (modulo improvements) |
| 01:04.23 | Jucato | the purpose is the same. the arrangement/grouping is different |
| 01:04.45 | x_link | So you have the exact same settings in both? |
| 01:04.49 | pinotree | yes |
| 01:05.03 | x_link | Okey, then it's just me. |
| 01:05.37 | Jucato | unless you were thinking of system settings in Kubuntu KDE 3, then yes there were missing modules. but that's their problem/fault |
| 01:06.19 | x_link | Jucato: Yeah, systemsettings for KDE3 |
| 01:06.55 | Jucato | then that's Kubuntu's |
| 01:07.07 | Jucato | you can still use kcontrol (Alt+F2, "kcontrol") |
| 01:07.17 | x_link | Jucato: I always use kcontrol =) |
| 01:07.30 | x_link | I think it's "easier" and looks alot better. |
| 01:07.41 | x_link | But now I found the settings in system-settings that I thought was missing. |
| 01:08.03 | x_link | I really have to get used to KDE4. Must get another machine so I can use it. |
| 01:08.33 | x_link | It's okey to use KDE3, but not fun to use it 1-2 years later. |
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| 01:10.03 | szal | anyone notice jerky fonts in the latest Opera? (KDE 4.2.1, Qt 4.4, QtCurve theme) |
| 01:10.38 | szal | and not only special characters, also regular ANSI characters |
| 01:11.48 | x_link | Thanks for the help guys, I really appreciate it as usual! =) |
| 01:11.54 | x_link | Take care and good night! |
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| 01:22.02 | caotic | can a desktop bee "expanded" to a 2nd monitor wile having a greater resolution in the other one ? |
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| 01:23.31 | Fanfare | caotic: u mean 1st 1280x1024 2nd 1024x768? Yes it can. |
| 01:24.06 | caotic | I have a 1600x1200 external monitor and a laptop with a 1200x800, but I cannot extend the desktop |
| 01:24.38 | caotic | I can only see the beautifull 1600x1200 resolution but the laptop monitor just covers a small section of what the other monitor display |
| 01:25.12 | Fanfare | hm, depends on chipset/driver i guess... i have nvidia in twinview configured using nvidia-settings... |
| 01:25.38 | caotic | I got an intel card ... |
| 01:25.42 | caotic | guess not right ? |
| 01:25.44 | caotic | :( |
| 01:26.12 | Fanfare | hm, think u need to tune ur xorg.conf then... |
| 01:26.37 | caotic | mm I just did, both monitors show their actuall resolution size |
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| 01:26.51 | caotic | but the displays show redundant output |
| 01:27.39 | caotic | or can xinerama and stuff liuke that bee configured from the xorg ? |
| 01:27.59 | Fanfare | sry cant help u there much... |
| 01:29.05 | caotic | ok then, thanks, I better go everyone has left the office by now |
| 01:29.11 | caotic | thanks a bunch anyway |
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| 01:40.57 | Fanfare | Is there a way to dcop-call the dialog that shows up when clicking a mobilephonenumber in kAddressBook? |
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| 01:44.02 | ld50 | use a dcop browser |
| 01:44.19 | ld50 | kdcop i think |
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| 01:46.49 | Fanfare | ld50: no kdcop in 4.2 :-( checking 3.5.10 |
| 01:47.13 | ld50 | Fanfare, if you use KDE4 there's no dcop calls |
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| 01:47.35 | ld50 | in KDE4 use qdbusviewer |
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| 01:49.59 | Fanfare | ld50: thx kdbus seems not to work... |
| 01:51.36 | Jucato | there is no kdbus |
| 01:51.41 | Jucato | it's qdbusviewer |
| 01:51.53 | Jucato | (and qdbus to make calls) |
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| 01:53.24 | rufnut | anyone know how to change the panel colour ? |
| 01:53.58 | rufnut | I cannot find it in panel settings ? |
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| 01:55.18 | Fanfare | j... dbus is so cryptic... |
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| 01:56.35 | Jucato | Fanfare: that's why there's qdbus |
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| 01:56.53 | Jucato | qdbus basically uses the same format at a dcop call |
| 01:57.59 | Jucato | rufnut: because it isn't there. panel appearance is controlled by the Plasma desktop theme. so you either change your whole desktop theme or pick a specific theme for the panel only in System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Desktop Theme Details |
| 01:58.11 | Fanfare | Jucato: using qdbusviewer but how to find a dialog in there? |
| 01:58.53 | Jucato | Fanfare: you'll have to look for it yourself, if you see one that looks like a command to bring up that dialog you're looking for... *IF* it's available at all |
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| 01:59.42 | Fanfare | Jucato: :-) *IF* |
| 02:00.10 | Jucato | yes. *IF* |
| 02:00.19 | Jucato | (not everything is exposed through D-Bus) |
| 02:00.25 | rufnut | Jucato, umm I think I am missing some settings |
| 02:00.29 | Jucato | (that's the same with DCOP in KDE 3 anyway) |
| 02:00.46 | Jucato | rufnut: you have to be in KDE 4.2 to have the one I mentioned in system settings |
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| 02:01.05 | Jucato | otherwise you can only change Plasma themes as a whole (right-click on Desktop -> Appearance settings) |
| 02:01.06 | rufnut | Jucato, i have 4.2.1-r1 I beleive |
| 02:01.33 | Jucato | then it should be there |
| 02:01.43 | rufnut | oki I will try that |
| 02:02.38 | rufnut | thankyou thats what I was looking for ;-) |
| 02:02.57 | rufnut | just new to this kde4 business , thanks again |
| 02:03.06 | Fanfare | ok, i drop that idea... Didnt find anything related to the send SMS dialog |
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| 02:09.50 | Fanfare | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186417 Understandable? |
| 02:12.59 | rufnut | Jucato, it looks a fair bit like kde3 now , that will do me for a while |
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| 02:13.17 | Jucato | shudders :) |
| 02:13.23 | rufnut | hehe |
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| 02:13.46 | rufnut | for familiarity reasons |
| 02:14.48 | rufnut | next I have to sort out some opengl problems |
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| 03:30.41 | mbvpixies78 | hello all. I've been hanging out in #fedora and think my issue would best be dealt with here... |
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| 03:30.56 | mbvpixies78 | my panel is all screwed up, the one on the bottom |
| 03:31.13 | mbvpixies78 | I can't find a widget to replace it's cabability to minimize windows |
| 03:31.22 | mbvpixies78 | when I minimize a window, it's gone |
| 03:31.53 | Qu4Z | mbvpixies78: Alt+tab? |
| 03:31.59 | aeRoSoL | mbvpixies78: you mean the task manager? |
| 03:32.08 | Qu4Z | I don't show minimized windows anyway |
| 03:32.32 | aeRoSoL | mbvpixies78: it's a task manager |
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| 03:33.27 | mbvpixies78 | yeah, the bottom panel. I have the f strart menu and the quick launch, the system tray and the clock, but no way to switch desktops and no way to maximize minimized windows... there aren't very many "widgets" for Fedora 10 |
| 03:34.07 | aeRoSoL | mbvpixies78: you should try opensuse then. |
| 03:34.23 | derek_k | mbvpixies78: pager? |
| 03:34.25 | szal | mbvpixies78: how about Alt+Tab? |
| 03:35.01 | aeRoSoL | mbvpixies78: if you don't have too many customizations, you can just delete your .kde4 directory and logout / login |
| 03:35.21 | mbvpixies78 | alt-tab brought a window back up, but what can I do to restore functionality on the panel? |
| 03:35.34 | aeRoSoL | mbvpixies78: add the task manager widget |
| 03:35.41 | Qu4Z | mbvpixies78: Who needs the panel, anyway :P |
| 03:36.09 | mbvpixies78 | but task manager doesn't show any of the programs I'm working with, just the pre-loaded stuff |
| 03:36.51 | derek_k | mbvpixies78: what version of kde? |
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| 03:37.30 | mbvpixies78 | not sure |
| 03:38.18 | derek_k | mbvpixies78: is dbus installed and running? |
| 03:39.08 | mbvpixies78 | I don't know |
| 03:40.00 | aeRoSoL | mbvpixies78: what version of fedroa? |
| 03:40.12 | mbvpixies78 | 10 |
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| 03:41.00 | aeRoSoL | so you should have kde4 |
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| 03:42.32 | mbvpixies78 | I can't remember the command to find out version... |
| 03:43.01 | mbvpixies78 | I went from Fedora 8 to 10 and there seems to be a lot less customization of the desktop possible |
| 03:43.28 | szal | how about checking 'yum help'? |
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| 03:49.56 | mbvpixies78 | I'm searching the forums and all the solutions are specific to other distros, so no luck there. |
| 03:50.36 | aeRoSoL | mbvpixies78: either delete your .kde or your .kde4 directory.. that will solve it and reset your kde settings. |
| 03:51.26 | mbvpixies78 | alright, but someone should make a widget to replace the minimized windows if this happens |
| 03:51.38 | szal | better rename than delete; if there's nothing in there you need to re-use you can still delete it afterwards |
| 03:51.52 | aeRoSoL | mbvpixies78: it's there, just not loaded on yours |
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| 03:56.08 | Jucato | mbvpixies78: click on the cashew at the end of the panel, select Add Widgets, add the Task Manager widget from the list |
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| 03:58.31 | comawhite | anyone know when KMenu will support showing the actually programs name instead of the description? |
| 03:58.48 | szal | seems I just found a bug in the Add Widgets applet (KDE 4.2.1).. if I change the view (selector at the top) to something else, the applet names disappear and don't reappear when changing back |
| 03:59.12 | szal | comawhite: it does, but only on highlight (when selected) |
| 03:59.30 | szal | so I guess it's a setting you need to change to permanently show them |
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| 03:59.36 | Jucato | szal: specific example? |
| 03:59.44 | comawhite | szal: yeah I know but I wanted like where its there inplace of the description |
| 04:00.55 | szal | Jucato: can't reproduce it now, must have been some kind of hiccup |
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| 04:01.59 | szal | Jucato: but in mbvpixies's case we were not talking about the task manager but about the window panel |
| 04:02.24 | Jucato | window panel? |
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| 04:03.09 | mbvpixies78 | ok, I'm back, having deleted the .kde folder and restarted the computer, everything looks the same as before |
| 04:03.12 | szal | Jucato: where you usually see all currently open programs lined up (like browser, file manager and whatnot) |
| 04:03.44 | Jucato | szal: that's is the task manager widget |
| 04:03.45 | mbvpixies78 | meaning, the currently opened programs aren't lined up at all |
| 04:04.08 | szal | Jucato: no idea, the German translation is 'Fensterleiste' |
| 04:04.10 | mbvpixies78 | no, task manager widget is for internet connection, volume control, paste bin, etc |
| 04:04.19 | Jucato | mbvpixies78: *no* |
| 04:04.24 | mbvpixies78 | it's something else that doesn't seem to be on the list |
| 04:04.25 | Jucato | that's the system tray |
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| 04:05.34 | Digital_Pioneer | Hi. For some reason, my KWin compositing is disabled. I'd kinda like it back. :P How can I re-enable it? I use KDE 4.2.1 |
| 04:05.40 | Jucato | task manager = list of opened windows. system tray list of applications that have system tray icons: klipper, networkmanager, etc |
| 04:05.49 | szal | Digital_Pioneer: enable it |
| 04:05.53 | Jucato | Digital_Pioneer: is it disable in System Settings? |
| 04:06.08 | szal | if it's not going to be enabled, check your graphics driver |
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| 04:08.59 | mbvpixies78 | ah, there we go, it's listed this time in the widgets... |
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| 04:11.42 | wilder | :( |
| 04:11.47 | Digital_Pioneer | Jucato: Desktop effects are, but I don't know where actual compositing is set. |
| 04:11.55 | wilder | I just recompiled the 4.2 branch and plasma is dead |
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| 04:12.06 | Digital_Pioneer | szal: Very useful, thank youl. |
| 04:12.07 | wilder | kded4 is dead too |
| 04:12.11 | derek_k | Digital_Pioneer: that should turn it on |
| 04:12.47 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, I have no translucency. |
| 04:13.38 | Digital_Pioneer | Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type. |
| 04:13.42 | Digital_Pioneer | Hmph. |
| 04:15.30 | Digital_Pioneer | How on earth did my X config get screwed up now.... |
| 04:15.31 | szal | sounds like a gfx driver problem |
| 04:15.55 | szal | did you upgrade your driver and forgot to load the new module? |
| 04:16.02 | Digital_Pioneer | I don't think there's anything wrong with X... |
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| 04:16.48 | Digital_Pioneer | glxinfo looks good. |
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| 04:16.48 | Digital_Pioneer | direct rendering: yes |
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| 04:17.25 | Digital_Pioneer | Yup, KWin was just tripped out. |
| 04:17.32 | Digital_Pioneer | kwin --replace fixed it. |
| 04:18.19 | Digital_Pioneer | That's OK, didn't even have to restart X. :D |
| 04:18.44 | mikersz | wai |
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| 04:36.06 | mbvpixies78 | When you add a network folder in Samba through the GUI, what's the format of the folder supposed to be. For example, I want access to a folder on a Windows partition under c:\Users\[Username]\Documents? |
| 04:36.40 | mbvpixies78 | for the server I just put [Username]@IP Address.... right? |
| 04:37.12 | mbvpixies78 | I've done this before but I can't remember and there are no references I've found |
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| 04:38.44 | aeRoSoL | mbvpixies78: wouldn't it be smb://hostname/smbshare |
| 04:39.35 | aeRoSoL | try some out different ways.. I can't confirm because i have no windows boxes.. |
| 04:39.43 | mbvpixies78 | ok, thanks |
| 04:39.52 | Xunie | In ##linux no response to my question, So I just copy paste it here: |
| 04:39.54 | Xunie | Ok, A game I was playing just halted pulseaudio upon quit (I know I should remove it because it doesn't behave properly, But its an awesome game).... BUT now all KDE icons don't appear in the taskbar, I know I can fix it with a reboot but that isn't my attiude.... So whats going on?.. Note that opera and other apps appear like normal in the gnome-taskbar |
| 04:40.08 | Xunie | Note: I am running gnome :P |
| 04:40.42 | aeRoSoL | you came to the kde channel for gnome support? |
| 04:41.12 | Xunie | No, I came to this channel because Amarok and Konversation don't appear in the gnome taskbar, Thus I think a service crashed with the game I was playing. |
| 04:41.38 | Xunie | They don't behave properly, Gnome does, Becase opera behaves normally! |
| 04:41.56 | Xunie | aeRoSoL, See the connection? |
| 04:42.10 | aeRoSoL | just because they're kde apps? |
| 04:43.08 | Xunie | Just because they are KDE apps that inbehave like the rest of my kde apps: Start a seperate window for their taskbar icon. |
| 04:43.12 | aeRoSoL | ok. so you've had a program crash. have you checked your messages file for anything? |
| 04:43.12 | mbvpixies78 | nothing I'm trying is working |
| 04:43.54 | aeRoSoL | mbvpixies78: is your firewall on? |
| 04:44.09 | aeRoSoL | smb needs some open ports. |
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| 04:44.27 | aeRoSoL | is file sharing setup on the remote windows machine already!? |
| 04:44.42 | Xunie | aeRoSoL, http://pastebin.com/f4fde9136 |
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| 04:47.35 | Xunie | aeRoSoL, kdeinit wasn't running... I started it... |
| 04:47.44 | Xunie | aeRoSoL, they appear correctly now. |
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| 05:05.39 | khaije1 | does Qt have native python binding? |
| 05:06.22 | khaije1 | i keep on coming up with what looks like a non-free private company's offering |
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| 05:44.23 | Digital_Pioneer | So, would I be correct in assuming that Get Hot New Stuff for Plasmoids is not supposed to be working yet? |
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| 05:52.33 | TCW | hi folks |
| 05:53.02 | TCW | first, I must admit... KDE4 looks pretty nice |
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| 05:56.00 | pembo13 | I am trying out http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/Python/GettingStarted and it seems to be failing |
| 05:56.13 | pembo13 | failure is on plasmoidviewer hello-python |
| 05:56.28 | TCW | I am a gnome user, so bare with me if I may sound like misunderstanding every concept KDE may have... but, with gnome system applets I can see with one short view everything. cpu / hdd temp, CPU / mem / swap usage, but with KDE I need to click around to get all the informations I want, the temp sensors a hard to read at all... |
| 05:56.36 | pembo13 | error is ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyQt4/QtCore.so: undefined symbol: PyExc_ValueError |
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| 05:58.04 | TCW | AND... no idea but... as soon as KDE4 was started, the CPU gets 100% stressed (P4 + Hyperthreading, so htop shows one "core" with 100% usage for the kde4 process), known bug? |
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| 06:00.02 | TCW | version 4.2.1 used |
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| 06:02.03 | Shaan7 | I'm following http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Get_a_SVN_Account and want to use ssh. I have two users, one running the distro kde and other using the latest trunk build. Which user should I use to create ssh keys? |
| 06:02.22 | TCW | and how do I drag applets on a panel around? |
| 06:02.47 | TCW | I want to organize them as I want... the order :) |
| 06:03.27 | Shaan7 | TCW: goto panel settings, and when its active, hover your mouse over the applets, you'll se a move cursor...use it |
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| 06:03.43 | DirkGently | Shaan7: the trunk user |
| 06:04.40 | DirkGently | I also added my main user to the other user's personal group so I can update the files but then I need to |
| 06:04.44 | Shaan7 | DirkGently: ok, and just to be sure, whats the reason for that? |
| 06:04.52 | Shaan7 | DirkGently: oh ok |
| 06:05.09 | TCW | Shaan7, I see the move cursor, but as I drag it and release the mouse button, it just snaps back to ist former position |
| 06:05.41 | Shaan7 | TCW: well, no idea about that, works well for me :| |
| 06:06.22 | TCW | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 <- why not? :) |
| 06:06.29 | Shaan7 | DirkGently: then you need to ... |
| 06:06.39 | Shaan7 | TCW: just to clear up things, panel accomodates applets differently than the desktop containment |
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| 06:07.06 | Shaan7 | TCW: on desktop, you can exactly position the applets, say at (x,y) but thats not the case for panels |
| 06:07.30 | DirkGently | Shaan7: I need to update the files from my main account using Lokalize |
| 06:07.46 | Shaan7 | TCW: you can change the relative position of applet1 with applet2 (i.e. applet1 comes before applet2 or vice-versa) |
| 06:07.48 | TCW | Shaan7, pardon? I don't get you... |
| 06:07.50 | DirkGently | if I need to edit files I use vim as the trunk user |
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| 06:08.13 | Shaan7 | DirkGently: ok |
| 06:08.18 | TCW | shso no absolute position possible? |
| 06:08.29 | TCW | Shaan7, even |
| 06:08.34 | Shaan7 | TCW: afaik, no |
| 06:08.38 | DirkGently | Shaan7: what's your reason for an svn account? |
| 06:08.42 | eljefe_thistime | is there a spacer at least? |
| 06:08.55 | TCW | Shaan7, what ill concept can that be? :) |
| 06:10.11 | Shaan7 | DirkGently: i've been sending few patches to plasma, a developer told me i should apply, and I'll get one when I'm eligible enough |
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| 06:10.35 | Shaan7 | DirkGently: so the ssh keys are generated depending on my username and the passphrase, right? |
| 06:11.21 | Shaan7 | TCW: well, panels are made to be like that, but yes, a spacer should be there ... |
| 06:11.34 | DirkGently | Shaan7: you generate a dsa key using your passphrase and send the public file to sysadmin |
| 06:11.53 | DirkGently | you don't need to give them the passphrase |
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| 06:12.32 | Shaan7 | DirkGently: ok, got it. thanks a lot :) |
| 06:12.55 | DirkGently | np... it's fresh in my mind because I had to do it all over recently :) |
| 06:13.15 | TCW | Shaan7, 22" TFT on the left (mostly used for web browseing, watching movies, mail...), 19" TFT on the right (used for RDP, ssh terminals, actual work) on gnome I have the sysmon stuff at the right on the top panel on the left TFT. I can see it without moving the head, just a small movement with the eyes... now with KDE, all those applets are on the left of the top panel on the left crt... I need to move my whole head to see them. very iritating... |
| 06:14.43 | TCW | hehe, funny... the kde4 process switched the "core"... now the other one is used 100% :) |
| 06:14.45 | Shaan7 | TCW: total number of applets on the panel? |
| 06:15.10 | TCW | Shaan7, as of now? Let me count them... could take some time... |
| 06:15.12 | TCW | one :) |
| 06:16.04 | Shaan7 | TCW: k, now i understand, you can do one thing, resize the panel itself, i'll tell how |
| 06:16.28 | TCW | as I still try to figure out how kdes concept of the actual information I could get out of those applets (kde calls them widgets right?) with one short glimpse is... |
| 06:17.17 | Shaan7 | TCW: goto panel settings > you'll see an arrow on the left side of the panel, drag it to the right, to make the panel resize and shift to the right side |
| 06:18.12 | TCW | Shaan7, I have seen this already... I played some time around with that "panel settings" before I "gave up" :) |
| 06:19.03 | Shaan7 | TCW: so why doesn't that solve your problem? I understand what you want to achieve is the applet shifted to the far top-right of the screen, right? |
| 06:19.04 | TCW | and I must say... not an option. imho a panel should cover the whole width of a screen |
| 06:20.18 | TCW | Shaan7, the idea is to have some important "must see fast" applets without a head movement, and some others, not so important applets but maybe with more details (dunno yet) with a head movement... |
| 06:20.40 | TCW | so important ones on the right, the others on the left |
| 06:21.46 | Shaan7 | TCW: yes, so if you have =1 applets, move the panel itself to the right. And if >1 applets, move the important ones to the right ... |
| 06:22.40 | TCW | Shaan7, but then there would be _no_ space between the important and not so important applets... |
| 06:23.02 | TCW | btw. does kde4 and compiz play well with each other? |
| 06:23.42 | Shaan7 | TCW: experimental. kwin provides some features of compiz, but you can set compiz as the win manager in System Settigns |
| 06:24.13 | TCW | the gfx driver sucks so not a great deal to live without compiz for a while |
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| 06:24.53 | Shaan7 | TCW: ok then, now i get the main point is - __space__ . As a workaround you can have two panels - and have a space between them by moving them apart |
| 06:25.28 | TCW | btw. gnome noticed it when I did plug-in a usb / esata harddisk and mounted it, kde not... am I missing something? |
| 06:25.44 | TCW | shhmm... that could be an option |
| 06:25.47 | TCW | Shaan7, even |
| 06:25.58 | Shaan7 | TCW: well i use a usb Maxtor hdd, its detected fine |
| 06:26.13 | TCW | Shaan7, I guess the brand does not matter ;) |
| 06:26.24 | Shaan7 | TCW: yeah :P |
| 06:26.33 | TCW | Shaan7, ahh... the drive is encrypted! KDE does not handle encrypted discs? |
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| 06:26.55 | Shaan7 | TCW: dunno about that ... btw, ntfs encyption? |
| 06:27.24 | TCW | as gnome does (for a long time now) fine... plug-in encrypted disc, popup asks for passphrase, mounts it, opens filebrowser (if wanted), done |
| 06:27.39 | TCW | sham I crazy?! ;) no no, luks / cryptsetup |
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| 06:27.54 | Shaan7 | TCW: hehe, just asked ;) |
| 06:27.57 | TCW | crappy nick completion! :) |
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| 06:28.22 | Math1s | hey |
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| 06:28.31 | Math1s | for kdeveloping an OpenMotif application which project template should be prefered? |
| 06:28.32 | TCW | Shaan7, KDE uses pmount too? |
| 06:28.42 | Shaan7 | TCW: no idea :( |
| 06:30.38 | TCW | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.38 | TCW | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.58 | TCW | any thoughts on that? |
| 06:31.06 | TCW | Ohh... the first line should read: |
| 06:31.17 | TCW | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.56 | Shaan7 | TCW: no idea again, btw, can I see a screenshot of your desktop(s) |
| 06:32.17 | TCW | runs since an hour at full throttle :) |
| 06:32.54 | TCW | Shaan7, a very basic "empty" kde up to now with just more or less a huge screen :) |
| 06:33.29 | TCW | and an absolutely awful looking X-Chat :) |
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| 06:34.38 | Shaan7 | TCW: ok, and btw, mine at http://www.shantanutushar.com/index.php?show=screenshots.php and see the 4.2 one |
| 06:36.21 | TCW | mine looks pretty the same... but a littel bigger |
| 06:36.47 | Shaan7 | can't have 22" |
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| 06:38.08 | TCW | Shaan7, why "can't"? |
| 06:38.18 | Shaan7 | has a laptop :P |
| 06:38.30 | TCW | ah, I c :) |
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| 06:56.35 | TCW | hmmm... also iceweasel (firefox) looks ugly |
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| 07:00.16 | Qu4Z | Yeah, but firefox always looks ugly :P |
| 07:00.19 | AmyRose | TCW: Use Konqueror =P |
| 07:00.42 | AmyRose | Or Opera... there's actually an Oxygen theme for it. |
| 07:00.54 | smurfslover | so there's for firefox |
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| 07:01.35 | smurfslover | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7962 |
| 07:01.39 | AmyRose | I am joking of course, but I've never been a big fan of Firefox. |
| 07:01.46 | smurfslover | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7962 |
| 07:01.49 | TCW | firefox may be sometimes a buggy thing, but it is the most advanced browser around... so to suggest konqi to a user used to firefox.... are you crazy?! :-P |
| 07:01.56 | smurfslover | i mostly use arora 0.5 |
| 07:02.01 | smurfslover | fast and awesome |
| 07:02.20 | Qu4Z | TCW: I like konqy ^^ It does things I like. And its download manager is much better than firefox's ^^ |
| 07:02.37 | TCW | smurfslover, so in general I would have to use / install for every non KDE app a theme (if it support it)? |
| 07:02.41 | AmyRose | TCW: Why is it the most advanced around? It doesn't even have text shadow support (Konqi, Opera, and all Webkit-based browsers have it) |
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| 07:03.09 | Qu4Z | AmyRose: Admittedly, konqueror needs pipelining support |
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| 07:03.13 | TCW | AmyRose, it is my personal impression |
| 07:03.17 | smurfslover | TCW: for other gtk apps there's the gtk-qt4-engine |
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| 07:03.35 | AmyRose | smurfslover: Firefox looks really ugly with the gtk-qt4 engine |
| 07:03.41 | Sevith | Hey |
| 07:03.48 | TCW | smurfslover, ahh... thanks for th hint |
| 07:03.48 | Qu4Z | But yeah, I don't like having to hunt down too many plugins to make firefox friendly. |
| 07:03.49 | Sevith | where can i find monitors for KDE like these? |
| 07:03.50 | Sevith | http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=73408&file1=73408-1.jpeg&file2=&file3=&name=Hacker+Evolution+KDE+Theme |
| 07:04.05 | smurfslover | the oxygen theme for firefox is quite nice |
| 07:04.34 | Sevith | anyone |
| 07:04.36 | smurfslover | arora devs are working on kde4 integration :) |
| 07:04.38 | Sevith | :/ or widgets like those |
| 07:04.52 | AmyRose | smurfslover: It doesn't theme anything but the icons, though. |
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| 07:05.06 | AmyRose | and Arora is unusable for me until it has plug-in support |
| 07:05.12 | Sevith | :( |
| 07:05.12 | Math1s | for kdeveloping an OpenMotif application which project template should be prefered? |
| 07:05.32 | smurfslover | AmyRose: it has if you use qt 4.5 or qtwebkittrunk |
| 07:05.39 | smurfslover | then it picks up all plugins on the system |
| 07:05.51 | AmyRose | smurfslover: Really?! :D |
| 07:05.57 | Sevith | Anyone help plz? :/ |
| 07:06.04 | smurfslover | w8 looking for a page |
| 07:06.43 | smurfslover | http://code.google.com/p/arora/wiki/source |
| 07:06.59 | smurfslover | or you can use qt-snapshot instead of qtwebkittrunk |
| 07:07.08 | Sevith | Anone know widgets for KDE that monitor cpu/network loads? |
| 07:07.10 | Sevith | and stuff |
| 07:07.19 | Sevith | that show various information about the system |
| 07:07.19 | Sevith | ? |
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| 07:09.32 | smurfslover | Sevith: kde 3 or 4 |
| 07:09.43 | Sevith | 3 |
| 07:09.47 | TCW | seconds Seviths question |
| 07:09.57 | TCW | doesn't anymore :) |
| 07:10.13 | Sevith | ?? |
| 07:10.20 | TCW | <- kde 4.2 |
| 07:10.38 | smurfslover | Sevith: www.kde-look.org |
| 07:10.47 | Sevith | yeah ive been checking :/ |
| 07:10.53 | Sevith | heres one i just found |
| 07:10.56 | smurfslover | in the navigation pane select superkaramba widgets |
| 07:10.56 | Sevith | TCW: check this site out |
| 07:11.01 | Sevith | http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Plasmoids |
| 07:11.03 | Sevith | maybe useful |
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| 07:12.20 | smurfslover | Sevith: plasmoids are kde4 widgets |
| 07:12.33 | smurfslover | can't be used with kde3 |
| 07:12.56 | TCW | Sevith, I'd like to have an applet that shows it's information just within the size of the panel, nothing that is shown on any other space of the desktop (I have apps there, I want to see them, not the applets) |
| 07:13.04 | Sevith | Damnit really :( |
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| 07:13.17 | Sevith | what are kde3 widgets called them :( |
| 07:13.22 | Sevith | then* |
| 07:13.30 | smurfslover | superkaramba themes or widgets |
| 07:13.44 | smurfslover | or you can upgrade to kde 4.2.1 |
| 07:13.47 | smurfslover | it's awesome |
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| 07:13.57 | Sevith | ill loose my theme |
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| 07:14.02 | TCW | depends on what you call "awsome" :-P |
| 07:14.04 | Sevith | which i wored so hard on today |
| 07:14.05 | Sevith | lol |
| 07:14.06 | Qu4Z | smurfslover: For a very specific definition of "awesome" |
| 07:14.23 | TCW | Qu4Z, agreed! :) |
| 07:14.31 | Sevith | if i upgrade ill loose my theme right? |
| 07:14.33 | Qu4Z | Although it is getting some cool stuff |
| 07:14.53 | TCW | honestly... is KDE4 ready for prime time? |
| 07:15.05 | smurfslover | Sevith: you can have both kde3 and 4 installed |
| 07:15.25 | drantin | depends on distro support or doing things manually |
| 07:15.29 | Sevith | hrrm |
| 07:15.35 | Sevith | howto install on debian? |
| 07:15.42 | Sevith | apt-get install kde4 |
| 07:15.46 | Sevith | lol ? |
| 07:15.47 | TCW | Sevith, what distro? stable? |
| 07:16.04 | Sevith | lenny |
| 07:16.06 | Sevith | 5.0 |
| 07:16.07 | smurfslover | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html |
| 07:16.08 | Sevith | debian |
| 07:16.21 | TCW | Sevith, that IS called stable! :-P |
| 07:16.33 | Sevith | i thought lenny was unsable? |
| 07:16.35 | smurfslover | there's 4.1 for lenny and 4.2 for unstable |
| 07:16.41 | smurfslover | lenny is testing |
| 07:16.43 | TCW | Sevith, how do you dare?! |
| 07:16.47 | Sevith | dude |
| 07:16.51 | TCW | smurfslover, lenny is STABLE |
| 07:16.56 | Sevith | im linux nube cant you tell :P |
| 07:16.59 | smurfslover | is it released yet? |
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| 07:17.05 | smurfslover | how did i miss that |
| 07:17.06 | TCW | smurfslover, 14 of feburary |
| 07:17.14 | smurfslover | must have been living with my head in the ground |
| 07:17.15 | TCW | smurfslover, shame on you! :-P |
| 07:17.20 | Sevith | lol |
| 07:17.25 | Sevith | So lenny is stablle ??? |
| 07:17.30 | Sevith | good to know :D |
| 07:17.31 | smurfslover | it is now |
| 07:18.06 | TCW | Sevith, then one lessen: Debian etch = oldstable; lenny = stable; squezze = testing; sid is and will ALWAYS be unstable |
| 07:18.42 | TCW | and sids status of beeing "unstable" wil and can't ever change, that's the principle behind "sid" |
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| 07:19.08 | Sevith | what do you run TCW? |
| 07:19.17 | TCW | and sid is always "in motion", absolutly NOT for new users |
| 07:19.50 | TCW | Sevith, apparently a mixture between sid and experimental (don't ask what experimantal is, you don't want and don't need to know... yet :-P ) |
| 07:20.26 | Sevith | what is it |
| 07:20.29 | Sevith | haha |
| 07:20.31 | Sevith | ive ran debian |
| 07:20.38 | Sevith | i started on slackware |
| 07:20.39 | Sevith | lol |
| 07:20.51 | Sevith | im played with fedora and ubuntu |
| 07:21.03 | Sevith | ive played with* |
| 07:21.40 | TCW | Sevith, and? Now finally found the only true distribution? Congrats :) |
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| 07:21.51 | Sevith | lol |
| 07:22.02 | Sevith | Whats experimental? |
| 07:22.47 | TCW | Sevith, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
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| 07:24.42 | TCW | He formed the name "Debian" as a combination of the first name of his girlfriend (now ex-wife[21]) Debra and his own first name.[22] <- oh shit! The're seperated?! Damn it! |
| 07:24.49 | DarkriftX | ok, slight problem. I installed kde4 im using a laptop with an external monitor. when i disabled my laptop screen, the external monitor became primary but its not using the full screen. Its using the 1280x800 of my laptop screen but the rest of the 1900x1200 is covered in white/grey checkered boxes. anyone know whats wrong or what i can do to fix it? |
| 07:25.09 | DarkriftX | kde4 installed via apt, latest version on *buntu 8.04 |
| 07:25.36 | TCW | DarkriftX, not KDE related I bet |
| 07:25.56 | DarkriftX | i dont know what its related to, but it worked fine in kde3 5 minutes ago |
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| 07:26.16 | TCW | then it may be KDE related... :) |
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| 07:27.25 | Sevith | hrrm |
| 07:27.27 | Sevith | im out |
| 07:27.35 | Sevith | bbl sometimes :D i need sleep |
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| 07:29.37 | DarkriftX | here is a screenshot if it might help anyone figure out what i can try: http://android-dls.com/kde4.png |
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| 07:33.00 | DarkriftX | and apps can be moved into the checkered area, just that the desktop/kicker wont use it |
| 07:33.59 | TCW | that looks most definitely as a kde problem... to name it, a bug, I think |
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| 07:34.31 | DarkriftX | crap, i dont like bugs, generlly no way to get it working till a bugfix is made :( |
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| 07:35.41 | TCW | DarkriftX, see, I just installed KDE4 minutes ago (I am a gnome user normally) and I think... my first view of KDE4 is rather annoyed. Looks great, but imho not yet prime time ready |
| 07:36.02 | DarkriftX | i agree, but its been about 6 months since id last tried it |
| 07:36.05 | DarkriftX | figured id give it a go |
| 07:36.29 | DarkriftX | i gots an idea though |
| 07:36.41 | TCW | DarkriftX, as I see it there wer _massive_ changes between kde3 and kde4, that said it means the process of getting "stable" needs a lot of time |
| 07:37.12 | DarkriftX | do yo know how i open the run dialog? |
| 07:37.20 | TCW | DarkriftX, but it also needs people to testdrive KDE4 now, so bugs can be found and reported... so do so and report the bug :) |
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| 07:37.49 | TCW | alt-f2 here, like on every system I sat on up to now (kde3, kde4, gnome, xfce...) |
| 07:38.11 | TCW | at least it was default on all systems :) |
| 07:38.23 | DarkriftX | just rewrote my xorg.conf, ill try a restart of x to see if it works |
| 07:38.26 | DarkriftX | brb (maybe) |
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| 07:39.11 | TCW | I'll also quit... let's see if the 100% cpu load is just a momentary glitch in the matrix :) |
| 07:39.14 | TCW | brb |
| 07:39.29 | simon_ | ? |
| 07:39.47 | simon_ | hello |
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| 07:46.24 | DarkriftX | ok, i got my wallpaper using the full screen, but kicker still not. can i kill kde4 without killing x (and force it to reload)?? |
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| 07:46.56 | smurfslover | DarkriftX: you mean restart plasma? |
| 07:47.06 | smurfslover | kquitapp plasma && plasma & |
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| 07:47.29 | DarkriftX | lol@ |
| 07:47.33 | DarkriftX | halfway worked |
| 07:47.43 | TCW | yeah, just a glitch. Let's hope it does not happen very often |
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| 07:47.55 | DarkriftX | it placed the kicker at the bottom of the screen, but its still does not fill the screen |
| 07:48.47 | kavorka | have just installed 4.2, from 3.5.10....will take some getting used to. one ive noticed is that i dont appear to have the option to use different wallpapers for each virtual desktop....is there something im missing? |
| 07:49.05 | smurfslover | DarkriftX: no kicker the panel is also a plasmoid |
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| 07:49.16 | DarkriftX | oh |
| 07:49.18 | smurfslover | unlock widgets, click the panel's cashew |
| 07:49.30 | smurfslover | then move the white sliders with the arrows |
| 07:49.42 | smurfslover | you can determine minimum and maximum size |
| 07:50.35 | DarkriftX | well, it stretched it (literally) |
| 07:50.46 | DarkriftX | my taskbar buttons are about 6 inches long |
| 07:52.38 | DarkriftX | well, it looks like kde4 is not ready for laptops with external displays :( |
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| 07:53.56 | Qu4Z | DarkriftX: KDE4 isn't ready for a lot of things, but it's getting there damn fast ^^ |
| 07:54.11 | DarkriftX | yeah, its getting better |
| 07:54.16 | DarkriftX | but that doesnt help me :( |
| 07:54.31 | DarkriftX | last time i tried it was a disaster |
| 07:54.37 | DarkriftX | this time is just an annoyance |
| 07:54.44 | Qu4Z | DarkriftX: My experiences exactly. |
| 07:54.59 | TCW | Qu4Z, damn fast? :) |
| 07:55.15 | TCW | I don't expect things to change there fast |
| 07:55.17 | Qu4Z | Actually, first time I tried it was the best time, but I suspect that's more the novelty of it helped me ignore the bugs |
| 07:55.18 | DarkriftX | alt+f2 is not bringing the run dialog. any other suggestions? |
| 07:55.31 | Qu4Z | First time was sometime pre-4.0 |
| 07:55.52 | Qu4Z | And I was like "Wow!", but then releases happened, and it wasn't as stable/featureful as I hoped. |
| 07:56.03 | Qu4Z | TCW: But KDE4's usability is increasing every day! |
| 07:56.24 | TCW | is it? |
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| 07:56.38 | Qu4Z | Well, no. But it's been better every time I installed it :P |
| 07:57.41 | TCW | who aren't the hdd temps show as sensors? |
| 07:57.48 | TCW | why even |
| 07:57.53 | TCW | shown even |
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| 08:08.48 | TCW | memory usage applet? |
| 08:10.49 | TCW | will k3b be ported to kde4? |
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| 08:12.55 | MagicDuck | hi, is there a way to make the kde 4 shortcuts like ALT+F1, ALT+F2 work while using compiz as window manager |
| 08:13.01 | MagicDuck | ? |
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| 08:14.03 | TCW | "After two weeks without internet connection and hacking on the K3b KDE 4 port I am still not finished. K3b 1.1 (I decided to not increase the major number for the KDE 4 release as it will not have many new features) will again take more time." actually it will, ok :) |
| 08:14.39 | Qu4Z | k3b is <3. It'd be better if I had a cd-rom drive, of course, but details... |
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| 08:14.57 | DarkriftX | anyone know a good tool to edit/find problems with xorg.conf? |
| 08:14.59 | TCW | Qu4Z, hm? |
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| 08:15.20 | DarkriftX | nvidia-settings keeps screwing stuff up. i have a template that works good, but when i try to make changes to it i have problems |
| 08:15.41 | BeteNoire | DarkriftX: vim/nano/mcedit @ /var/log/Xorg.0.log :) |
| 08:15.44 | Qu4Z | TCW: I like k3b, yet have no CD-rom rive |
| 08:16.00 | TCW | DarkriftX, less /etc/X11/xorg.conf should be the only "tool" you need to debug xorg.conf issues |
| 08:16.12 | DarkriftX | yeah, thx... i use nano, hence me asking for soemthing more specific to xorg.conf |
| 08:16.16 | DarkriftX | should be |
| 08:16.19 | BeteNoire | and @ xorg.conf of course ;) |
| 08:16.34 | DarkriftX | there are hundreds of possible options and without knowing them all i dont know what i can remove and what i cannot |
| 08:16.44 | TCW | DarkriftX, err... soryy... less /var/log/Xorg.0.log :) |
| 08:17.12 | DarkriftX | ok, guess that was a waste of time to ask |
| 08:17.23 | TCW | DarkriftX, see nvidias readme |
| 08:17.32 | DarkriftX | nvidia is what screwed it up |
| 08:18.03 | DarkriftX | it looked like crap. a friend with the same monitor pasted me some of his settings which worked but there are other things i cannot accomplish without the nvidia tool which in turn causes worse problems |
| 08:18.11 | DarkriftX | hence asking for somethign more than a text editor |
| 08:18.57 | BeteNoire | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't give any info? |
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| 08:19.06 | TCW | DarkriftX, if you did not have this problem with kde 3, why do you think you can fix it with tweaking xorg.conf? |
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| 08:19.17 | DarkriftX | TCW: im back on kde3 |
| 08:19.23 | metbsd | how do i install kde4 in centos? |
| 08:19.34 | TCW | DarkriftX, oh... did I miss something? :) what's the issue now? |
| 08:19.35 | metbsd | kde4 is alot better i assume |
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| 08:20.10 | TCW | metbsd, ask the centos guys... and I don't think it is "better", if you are talking about kde3 / kde4 |
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| 08:20.32 | DarkriftX | long story short. i have a laptop with an external monitor. i want the monitor on but not the laptop. to do this like 5 things need to be changed in xorg and i cannot find any info on them. i keep getting conflicting settings |
| 08:20.42 | DarkriftX | of i get the laptop display off, other things mess up and vice versa |
| 08:20.46 | metbsd | anyone use redhat? |
| 08:21.22 | DarkriftX | and my xorg looks like crap. ive never seen a conf file that cluttered. i cannot even read it clearly |
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| 08:21.32 | DarkriftX | s/xorg/xorg.conf/ |
| 08:21.36 | TCW | DarkriftX, who did write this xorg.conf? :) |
| 08:22.29 | DarkriftX | im guessing the nvidia install program. when i installed the drivers and the monitor it looked like crap, so a friend with the same monitor pasted his "Screen" section and it worked great for me. just doesnt help me turn off the other screen |
| 08:23.00 | TCW | DarkriftX, oops?! You did nvidia-config / nvidia-settings write the conf?! Bad idea, very! |
| 08:23.01 | metbsd | how do i make my kde chinese |
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| 08:23.14 | DarkriftX | every time nvidia-settings writes to the file it messes stuff up and makes a huge mess |
| 08:23.35 | DarkriftX | TCW: without knowing every setting how else would i do it? |
| 08:23.50 | TCW | DarkriftX, that's why I say it is a bad idea... did I say I very bad I idea? Ok, I id, because it is a _very_ bad idea :) |
| 08:24.14 | DarkriftX | ask in a channel for help and be shown to "vim/nano/mcedit" ;) |
| 08:24.28 | DarkriftX | catch 22 here |
| 08:24.41 | TCW | DarkriftX, the tool provides a preview of what it WOULD like to write to the .conf, just copy and paste, and have the power over your xorg.conf |
| 08:24.52 | DarkriftX | google is saturated with xorg.conf stuff from 2002 which wont help me |
| 08:25.09 | TCW | don't ask google, ask the provided readme |
| 08:25.09 | DennisCollective | hows it going everyone, I found a ruby script to have the results of autotest be displayed through knotify, I was wondering what I would have to do to update the script to use knotify4 http://drogomir.com/blog/2008/7/2/autotest-and-knotify |
| 08:25.24 | DarkriftX | readme provided with what? |
| 08:25.36 | DarkriftX | doing "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" wrote my xorg.conf for me |
| 08:25.47 | DarkriftX | i had no "--donttouchmycrapdamnit" option to add to it |
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| 08:26.17 | DennisCollective | it didn't backup your xorg.conf somewhere in the folder? |
| 08:26.18 | TCW | DarkriftX, my advice would be (as a long time nvidia user), try to get a clean and working basic xorg.conf, then run the config/settings toll and see what it "suggests" |
| 08:26.32 | metbsd | heyhow do i change locale or kde? |
| 08:26.55 | DarkriftX | i cant boot with the default xorg.conf |
| 08:26.59 | DarkriftX | erm, not boot |
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| 08:27.07 | DarkriftX | i cant load x |
| 08:27.14 | TCW | DarkriftX, what has booting to do with xorg? |
| 08:27.26 | BeteNoire | :) |
| 08:27.36 | DarkriftX | the nvidia tool is an x application |
| 08:27.38 | TCW | ah, ok :) X is not needed to fix a broken X :) |
| 08:28.11 | TCW | DarkriftX, that's why I said, take a clean xorg.conf |
| 08:28.15 | DarkriftX | and yes, i could always use nano (which i do) but that still doesnt tell me what options do what, if they conflict etc |
| 08:28.20 | DarkriftX | take a clean one and do what? |
| 08:28.24 | DarkriftX | run the nvidia tool? |
| 08:28.32 | TCW | start x, runn the config tool? |
| 08:28.34 | BeteNoire | metbsd: install kde-l10n or kde-i18n for 3.5 and change in settings? |
| 08:28.35 | DarkriftX | the one that requires X? |
| 08:28.44 | DarkriftX | i just stated that i cannot start x with the default xorg.conf |
| 08:28.51 | TCW | DarkriftX, the one that requires X |
| 08:29.10 | iomari | im using kde 4.2 factory and suse 11.0. my problem is that when I boot into kde, plasma randomly reorders my icons in the bottom panel and for some reason seems to omit my firefox icon in my left panel. |
| 08:29.13 | DarkriftX | so run x (which wont work) to run a tool (which i wont see) to fix x (which isnt working) |
| 08:29.15 | TCW | DarkriftX, are you on another computer right now? |
| 08:29.17 | DarkriftX | no |
| 08:29.22 | BeteNoire | DarkriftX: Xorg.0.log doesnt *really* give any info? |
| 08:29.26 | DarkriftX | but im also not on a clean xorg.conf |
| 08:29.26 | TCW | daso using irssi? |
| 08:29.36 | TCW | so what ARE you on then?! :) |
| 08:29.43 | TCW | .oO( drugs? *g* ) |
| 08:29.46 | DarkriftX | im on my "kinda works" xorg.conf |
| 08:29.53 | TCW | DarkriftX, may I see it? |
| 08:30.00 | DarkriftX | you asked for it :S |
| 08:30.16 | TCW | dorremove the commenst please, if possible :) |
| 08:30.20 | TCW | DarkriftX, even |
| 08:30.26 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.46 | TCW | metbsd, doesn't they conflict? |
| 08:31.06 | BeteNoire | kde-l10n for kde 4 |
| 08:31.58 | DarkriftX | or should i pastebin? |
| 08:32.03 | DarkriftX | forgot soem ppl dont like dcc |
| 08:32.19 | TCW | DarkriftX, never use dcc file transfer without asking first! |
| 08:32.26 | TCW | paste bin |
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| 08:33.32 | DarkriftX | the whole "never dcc a file without asking" was meant for networks where ppl tried to hide their ips. on a network where it is publicly visible it generally isnt an issue. sry to spook you |
| 08:33.43 | DarkriftX | http://pastebin.com/d492af6d |
| 08:34.08 | BeteNoire | & there are more than 300 people here - now estimate chance of helping you, when dcc one of them comparing to pasting link visible for everyone ;) |
| 08:34.26 | DarkriftX | which is why i commented about using pastebin |
| 08:34.53 | TCW | darjdo you mind haveing just one display for the moment? |
| 08:34.57 | DarkriftX | what is this? if you want help you have to take the dunce cap and not grimace too much? |
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| 08:35.09 | TCW | DarkriftX, even! |
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| 08:35.36 | DarkriftX | TCW: i only want one |
| 08:35.42 | DarkriftX | the external one |
| 08:36.15 | DarkriftX | when i use the nvidia tool to disable the laptop screen it screws tons of other stuff up causing the external one to look like crap (text unreadable) |
| 08:36.38 | BillyBop | Hi, I can't activate french language correctly on kde4.2.1. The problem was the same on kde 4.2.0 : only some parts of the interface are traduced. But the french translation status is about 95%. So I can't believe I have so few elements traduced. |
| 08:41.54 | TCW | DarkriftX, I am still on it... but needs time :) the .conf is REALLY a mess |
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| 08:44.12 | DarkriftX | i warned you |
| 08:44.20 | DarkriftX | its beyond my cleaning abilty |
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| 08:44.41 | DarkriftX | some things in there are needed to make *both* screens work, but im sure most of that is useless junk |
| 08:45.10 | DarkriftX | with a plain xorg, both screens show as 640x480 and are very distorted (impossble to use, even for fixing stuff) |
| 08:46.15 | TCW | DarkriftX, what resolution does the built-in tft have? |
| 08:46.32 | DarkriftX | 1280x800 i think |
| 08:46.35 | DarkriftX | lemme check |
| 08:47.01 | DarkriftX | yeah, thats it |
| 08:47.18 | DarkriftX | the external (which is the only one i want working) is 1900x1200 |
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| 08:47.44 | DarkriftX | and oddly enough its running at that despite that xorg.conf |
| 08:48.06 | TCW | DarkriftX, we don't use the external for now... I try to get the built-in working so we (you) can try to configre the second (and maybe only that one) afterwards. |
| 08:49.12 | TCW | DarkriftX, but the only guarnteed error-free living when you only want to use the external one is to connect the external display BEFORE booting, you know that? |
| 08:49.41 | DarkriftX | tried that, still uses both |
| 08:50.19 | TCW | we will see :) |
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| 08:53.04 | AmyRose | Are there any plans to have a touchpad configuration tool for KDE 4? |
| 08:54.07 | TCW | DarkriftX, try that one http://pastebin.com/d504efd51and see if X starts with it, report back |
| 08:54.50 | TCW | DarkriftX, it may not start X at all, there may be an error... we will see :) if it does not start get the Xorg.0.log pasted |
| 08:55.53 | DarkriftX | here goes |
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| 08:56.41 | TCW | who wanna bet? :) |
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| 08:58.54 | DarkriftX | partial fail |
| 08:59.14 | DarkriftX | laptop screen is distorted colors flowing across the screen (out of tune tb) |
| 08:59.16 | DarkriftX | tv* |
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| 08:59.24 | TCW | DarkriftX, and a little more detailed? :) |
| 08:59.30 | DarkriftX | and external monitor is stuck in 640x480 |
| 08:59.45 | DarkriftX | and i can only see half of the screen so i dont see anything after your "more" |
| 08:59.52 | TCW | DarkriftX, may I see the Xorg.0.log of THAT start? |
| 09:00.03 | DarkriftX | gimme a sec |
| 09:00.35 | DarkriftX | wheres the log again? |
| 09:02.28 | TCW | /var/log |
| 09:02.34 | TCW | /var/log/ |
| 09:05.31 | DarkriftX | damnit this is ridiculous |
| 09:05.40 | DarkriftX | pastebin wont give me a url for it |
| 09:05.56 | DarkriftX | ok, firefox wont |
| 09:06.03 | DarkriftX | it doesnt like this res |
| 09:06.20 | DarkriftX | http://pastebin.com/d5a3dfb6e |
| 09:08.11 | TCW | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) <- DarkriftX, your driver setup is broken |
| 09:08.42 | DarkriftX | it ws working with the other conf |
| 09:08.49 | DarkriftX | its running in failsafe with this one |
| 09:09.11 | DarkriftX | # |
| 09:09.11 | DarkriftX | (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe" |
| 09:09.29 | TCW | lsmod|grep nvidia; dpkg -l \*nvidia\*; ls -l /dev/nv* |
| 09:10.38 | TCW | DarkriftX, and check if /etc/X11/xorg.conf DOES exist with exactly that name |
| 09:10.59 | DarkriftX | it does |
| 09:11.13 | TCW | DarkriftX, may I see xorg.conf.failsafe? |
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| 09:11.43 | DarkriftX | im having a hell of a time with pastebin |
| 09:11.50 | TCW | <TCW> lsmod|grep nvidia; dpkg -l \*nvidia\*; ls -l /dev/nv* <- DarkriftX, and I still want to see the output of those commands |
| 09:11.52 | DarkriftX | navigation is impossible like this |
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| 09:12.42 | DarkriftX | http://pastebin.com/m39b6a40 |
| 09:13.47 | DarkriftX | http://pastebin.com/m3553f505 |
| 09:16.14 | TCW | drkline 34, drop "vesa" try "nvidia" if that looks weird too, try "nv" and kick line 45-47 completely, copy that file to xorg.conf (backup the old one first) |
| 09:16.40 | TCW | DarkriftX, hmmm... instead of dropping those lines, comment them out with "#" in front |
| 09:16.41 | DarkriftX | use failsafe and make those changes? |
| 09:16.49 | TCW | dayeah |
| 09:16.52 | TCW | DarkriftX, yeah |
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| 09:18.11 | DarkriftX | here goes nothing |
| 09:18.33 | TCW | very optimistic that guy :) |
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| 09:19.31 | DarkriftX | laptop screen only, still some god awful res though |
| 09:19.43 | DarkriftX | nvidia drivers were in use, i saw the logo |
| 09:19.55 | TCW | may I see the log? |
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| 09:20.39 | DarkriftX | http://pastebin.com/m118403df |
| 09:24.11 | TCW | DarkriftX, try starting the settings tool, raise the resolution, does it work? |
| 09:24.38 | DarkriftX | nvidia-settings right? |
| 09:24.43 | TCW | right |
| 09:25.09 | TCW | at least if it is called nvidia-settings. I don't run a nvidia right now... :) |
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| 09:26.30 | TCW | (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe" <- DarkriftX, btw. it stlll uses the failsafe .conf, why? Are you sure you copied the failsafe to xorg.conf? |
| 09:27.22 | DarkriftX | yes |
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| 09:27.33 | DarkriftX | i gotta get my daughter. she is sick and throwing up |
| 09:28.09 | DarkriftX | oh well, i have somewhere to start now |
| 09:28.31 | DarkriftX | and i dont see how its still using the failsafe if it has different settings now |
| 09:28.53 | TCW | those changed settings are not in the failsafe file too? |
| 09:29.07 | DarkriftX | no, i saved it as xorg.conf |
| 09:29.11 | DarkriftX | or maybe i didnt :S |
| 09:29.12 | DarkriftX | crap |
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| 09:29.20 | DarkriftX | it was too hard to tell what i was doing at that res |
| 09:29.37 | TCW | *sigh* |
| 09:29.39 | DarkriftX | a 28" screen at 640x480 is very unpleasant |
| 09:29.49 | DarkriftX | the clock was 4 inches wide |
| 09:29.51 | TCW | Then use the plain old text console: alt-ctrl-f1 |
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| 09:30.50 | DarkriftX | i have to get my daughter right now. thank you for the help and ill try more later. at least i have an idea of where to go from here |
| 09:31.09 | TCW | DarkriftX, hf |
| 09:31.23 | DarkriftX | 6yr old throwing up will never be fun |
| 09:31.45 | TCW | I meant with fiddeling with your problem |
| 09:32.02 | moun | Hi everybody, does someone knows how to change the background color of the pop up that appear when hover a file icon with the cursor? Thanks |
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| 09:34.29 | moun | they are by default kind of white,so if your color scheme has white color font->problem |
| 09:35.22 | moun | Maybe in kcontrol, but i don't figure how to |
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| 09:36.11 | Dumble | Hello world ! |
| 09:36.29 | moun | am I on the good chan for this question?? |
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| 09:39.28 | doitux | is there any systray icon for networkmanager-kde4? |
| 09:40.08 | doitux | i've configured it but i doesnt connect. where do i find failure log or something like this? |
| 09:42.52 | moun | woaw!!!! helpful chan :-D |
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| 09:44.07 | moun | People are still sleeping? |
| 09:44.16 | moun | oh yes maybe |
| 09:44.22 | moun | be patient |
| 09:46.49 | moun | triying if people got little bit of humour |
| 09:47.06 | moun | maybe i have to go to #gnome, they will help me |
| 09:47.13 | moun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:48.16 | Qu4Z | moun: No-one who's here right now knows => No one's said anything. Don't take it personally... |
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| 09:48.44 | moun | ok |
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| 09:49.29 | moun | i was thinking, that was something like the day after |
| 09:49.41 | moun | sorry :-) |
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| 10:27.18 | RizR | hi, how do I checkout a directory/package from trunk/playground |
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| 10:44.40 | zsz | kdelibs-4.2.1 does not compile, gives the error message "No rule to make target `/usr/lib64/libsoprano.so', needed by `bin/nepomuk-rcgen'" -- how to solve this? |
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| 10:53.19 | chris-rc1 | hi |
| 10:53.21 | chris-rc1 | i've compiled digikam for kde4 from the svn repo and it works, but digikam can find neither showfoto nor the kipi-plugins. it doesn't even show previews. i am on kubuntu 8.10. can sb pls help me? |
| 10:53.51 | pinotree | did you run kbuildsycoca4 after installation? |
| 10:54.18 | chris-rc1 | pinotree: yes |
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| 10:58.57 | chris-rc1 | pinotree: i did -noincemrental as well |
| 10:59.00 | chris-rc1 | r |
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| 11:13.54 | phar0z | anyone knows how I can save the settings of my widgets/panels in de kde 4.x? When I restart my X everything is a mess ... |
| 11:14.37 | fivetwentysix | How do I enable hardware acceleration in KDE4.x? I want to make use of my 8800gts... A lot of KDE functions don't seem very "responsive" when I try to move them, enable dashboard view, etc. |
| 11:16.18 | fivetwentysix | Anyone? |
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| 11:20.14 | chris-rc1 | fivetwentysix: what card do you have? |
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| 11:23.00 | fivetwentysix | chris-rc1 8800gts nvidia |
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| 11:24.27 | chris-rc1 | have you installed the nvidia drivers, preferably recent ones? |
| 11:26.50 | AliTarihi | What is the raster paint engine? |
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| 11:28.04 | fivetwentysix | chris-rc1: yes |
| 11:28.14 | fivetwentysix | AliTarihi: How do I find out? |
| 11:28.42 | chris-rc1 | fivetwentysix: then go to system-settings -> desktop and set 3d acceleration to opengl |
| 11:28.50 | AliTarihi | fivetwentysix: ? |
| 11:30.07 | AliTarihi | There was someting about them and qt 4.5. I want to know what is it |
| 11:30.26 | fivetwentysix | AliTarihi: That seemed to do the trick. |
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| 11:37.51 | AlNahar | hi friends |
| 11:37.57 | AlNahar | anyone using kflickr? |
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| 11:48.51 | mohan_ | AlNahar: i use digikam to export photos to my flickr account |
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| 11:51.04 | chris-rc1 | mohan_: which digikam version do you use? |
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| 11:52.13 | AlNahar | mohan_, i really want a gnome app |
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| 11:58.28 | mohan_ | chris-rc1: Version 0.10.0-beta8 |
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| 12:01.49 | chris-rc1 | mohan_: you compiled it from svn? |
| 12:02.06 | mohan_ | chris-rc1: no, got it from fedora repositories |
| 12:02.20 | chris-rc1 | ok |
| 12:02.51 | doitux | is there any systray icon for networkmanager-kde4? |
| 12:02.53 | doitux | i've configured it but i doesnt connect. where do i find failure log or something like this? |
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| 12:05.18 | Heiki | doitux: not really an answer to your question, but my answer to anyone having that kind of problems: forget about networkmanager and try wicd, it just works |
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| 12:06.55 | doitux | Heiki: i now wicd but i really like to have the kde4 pendant. knetworkmanager-kde3 works great for me. but running kde3 apps under kde4 isnt really nice in some situations |
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| 12:10.20 | blip- | hi all, I run KDE with openbox as the window manager. The machine is a laptop... for some reason when I connect an external monitor to my laptop, modify xorg.conf to make use of the 2 monitors then restart X. I end up with all the fonts looking huge... that applies to KDE applications like Konversation as well as the window titles, gtk applications like evolution.... any idea what could be causing this ? I haven't done a driver upgrade (using nvidia |
| 12:10.20 | blip- | official drivers). |
| 12:10.54 | blip- | my resolution on each monitor hasn't changed |
| 12:11.05 | blip- | it's just the fonts that are gigantic. |
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| 12:15.41 | chronic | kas enyone ever made a control panel for kde? |
| 12:15.54 | chronic | h |
| 12:16.17 | spitfire__ | chronic: ? |
| 12:16.58 | spitfire__ | lol |
| 12:17.07 | chronic | you know, like a windows control panel |
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| 12:18.16 | chronic | where u can configure pretty much anything via gui |
| 12:18.20 | Qu4Z_ | chronic: You mean like System Settings? |
| 12:19.04 | chronic | something like that |
| 12:19.24 | Jucato | chronic: "System Settings" |
| 12:19.25 | chronic | except one that is actually useful |
| 12:19.39 | Qu4Z_ | chronic: So basically not like Control Panel at all, then. |
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| 12:21.10 | chronic | well, see i can't seem to find any place in the kde "system settings" where i can change a mac or set a dns. or setup static ip, or adjust contrast/brightnes, oe anything useful, really |
| 12:21.17 | spitfire__ | yeah, System settings is much better than win control panel; |
| 12:21.17 | spitfire__ | ;) |
| 12:21.42 | Qu4Z | chronic: For the network settings, try installing (K?)NetworkManager |
| 12:21.58 | Qu4Z | And I'm pretty sure contrast and brightness are on a knob on the front of your screen |
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| 12:24.05 | spitfire__ | chronic: chnge MAC? |
| 12:24.13 | spitfire__ | I don't think there is agrphical tool for it. |
| 12:24.29 | Qu4Z | I don't think that option's in the Win Control Panel either ^^; |
| 12:24.56 | spitfire__ | sure it isn't |
| 12:25.13 | spitfire__ | windows doesn't allow half customizations you can do in kde;) |
| 12:25.43 | chronic | true, when it comes to desktop looks, not system settings |
| 12:26.23 | spitfire__ | chronic: system setting are lot more configurable but mostly not with gui |
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| 12:26.53 | spitfire__ | so google please:P |
| 12:27.11 | blip- | does anyone know what kind of parameter specifies font sizes in linux ? Is there a top level font setting that applies to both QT and gtk apps under KDE ? |
| 12:27.19 | Qu4Z | chronic: System settings are linux, not kde, for the most part anyway. Although of course kde provides tools for changing them. |
| 12:27.39 | spitfire__ | blip-: gtk has it's own settings... |
| 12:28.02 | spitfire__ | Qu4Z: some of them at least;) |
| 12:28.28 | blip- | spitfire__: is conky gtk ? |
| 12:28.35 | spitfire__ | brightness can be easy adjusted from battery meter plasmoid |
| 12:28.41 | spitfire__ | and contrast is in system settings. |
| 12:28.42 | blip- | is Konversation QT ? |
| 12:28.54 | tsukasa__ | blip-, depends on your dpi as well |
| 12:29.06 | spitfire__ | blip-: Konv is qt |
| 12:29.25 | spitfire__ | I don't use conky so, dunno |
| 12:29.36 | blip- | hmm, I just checked the KDE system settings, all my fonts are set to 11... yet on my 19inch 1280*1024 monitor... the text is huge |
| 12:30.02 | blip- | tsukasa__: I have Force DPI on disabled, should I force it to be 96 dpi |
| 12:30.28 | tsukasa__ | blip-, if force is disabled the driver/xserver will try to determine it (which is a good thing, usually) |
| 12:31.10 | blip- | thanks al |
| 12:31.12 | blip- | all |
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| 12:34.39 | fivetwentysix | Hey, KDE4 seems to mess with firefox checkboxes, how do I remove these changes? |
| 12:38.06 | spitfire__ | what changes? |
| 12:38.20 | spitfire__ | Is firefox using some qt theme? |
| 12:38.54 | fivetwentysix | ah okay |
| 12:38.56 | fivetwentysix | I see |
| 12:40.15 | elmargol | Hi I'm wondering If I can set the DPI konqueror uses for webpages and not change it system wide for every kde application |
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| 12:40.57 | afief | I have been using Kubuntu 8.10 for a long time, but I have been thinking about upgrading. Could someone recommend a good distro with KDE support? |
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| 12:42.29 | elmargol | afief: if you are experienced try archlinux |
| 12:43.51 | afief | elmargol: Well I don't mind getting more experience:) Do they have a livecd for archlinux? I prefer checking stuff before installing it |
| 12:44.17 | afief | elmargol: could we talk in #kde-chat? this room isn't exactly appropriate |
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| 12:45.09 | elmargol | afief: sorry I'm the wrong guy to talk to... I don't use archlinux. |
| 12:45.52 | afief | elmargol: I'll be checking in #archlinux. Thanks for your help |
| 12:46.16 | Half-Left | afief: Linux mint do a KDE4.2.1 version in RC, I'd recommend trying it, Live CD as well it is |
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| 12:49.45 | afief | Half-Left: I think Mint is based on Ubuntu, what's the difference if you don't mind me asking? |
| 12:50.24 | Half-Left | afief: it just has it's own tools, more polished and better artwork IMHO |
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| 12:50.48 | szal | Half-Left: RC? the final has been out for almost a week now |
| 12:51.24 | Half-Left | szal: No, I mean Linux Mint KDE4.2.1 version |
| 12:52.11 | szal | Half-Left: Mint RC or KDE RC? |
| 12:52.28 | Half-Left | Their KDE4.2.1 version |
| 12:52.30 | afief | Half-Left: well I do hope their hardware detection is good... Ubuntu has a habbit of spoiling spoiling users with their hardware support |
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| 12:52.35 | Half-Left | Of Linux Mint |
| 12:53.32 | Half-Left | afief: Not sure, it's always been ok from what I've tested, I run ArchLinux though |
| 12:54.15 | afief | Half-Left: Guess it's time to try a non-debian based system |
| 12:54.29 | Half-Left | :) |
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| 13:13.14 | BigBrain | Hi, I got some problems with KDE 4... Somehow authorization at login seems to be broken for me, it neither works in kdm nor when trying to unlock a session, but kdesu and gdm accept my password. |
| 13:13.50 | BigBrain | could that maybe somehow be related to pam? I have no experience whatsoever with that so I could need some advice... |
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| 13:14.16 | BigBrain | This is on Fedora 9 and a manually installed KDE 4.2.1 btw (problem existed in 4.2.0, too) |
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| 13:42.17 | ombra09 | hi |
| 13:42.34 | ombra09 | i have a problem with k3b |
| 13:42.50 | ombra09 | i've created an audio cd |
| 13:43.15 | ombra09 | but the order of songs in the cd is wrong |
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| 13:43.27 | ombra09 | must i ask in #k3b? |
| 13:43.44 | Phoxis | hello, do anyone have crashes with k9copy |
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| 13:44.12 | Phoxis | i am using k9copy-2.1.0-2.fc10.i386 |
| 13:44.48 | Phoxis | it crashes whenever i select the source, destination and at last click the encode button, and click save |
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| 14:30.22 | burgua | hi all! |
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| 14:38.06 | ctp | hi folks. does there an app exist to manage all ssh connections? i'm looking for a ssh client storing all usernames/passes cause i have to manage hundreds of servers |
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| 14:41.35 | aeRoSoL | ctp: why not try using keys? |
| 14:42.12 | aeRoSoL | then you dont' have to remember your password and you can make it extremely complex |
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| 14:42.59 | aeRoSoL | ctp: http://linuxproblem.org/art_9.html |
| 14:43.08 | ctp | aeRoSoL: in my opinition key-based auth is a bad choice. especially for root logins. |
| 14:43.36 | aeRoSoL | ctp: your opinion is pretty worthless then. |
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| 14:44.28 | aeRoSoL | keys are far more secure than using the keyboard |
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| 14:46.25 | ctp | aeRoSoL: nothing stored locally is more secure than passphrases. for the other hand i am not looking for a way to get 600 servers authed by key but for a simple kde ssh client ;-) |
| 14:46.27 | deitarion | Ugh. aMule apparently really doesn't like KDE 4.2.1 on Qt 4.5 as a system tray provider. Half the time I start it, it gets stuck in a hide,show,hide,show,... loop. |
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| 14:47.17 | deitarion | (Which, naturally, almost freezes up the X server, so I have to CTRL+ALT+F1 and `killall amule`) |
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| 14:48.15 | aeRoSoL | ctp: your key CAN have a passphrase.. |
| 14:49.29 | aeRoSoL | <ctp> hi folks. does there an app exist to manage all ssh connections? i'm looking for a ssh client storing all usernames/passes cause i have to manage hundreds of servers |
| 14:49.43 | aeRoSoL | you're looking for something to store your username / password locally.... yet you don't trust ssh |
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| 14:51.27 | aeRoSoL | I wouldn't hire that guy to manage my servers.... |
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| 14:59.01 | Elmaron | hi |
| 14:59.20 | Elmaron | the kde terminal doesn't seem to do anything different when I type "reset" or "clear" |
| 14:59.27 | Elmaron | it just scrolls down as much so I don't see the older lines |
| 14:59.55 | Elmaron | how can I change the "reset" behaviour that way that the whole terminal gets truly cleared, so the scrollbar also gets reset? |
| 15:00.30 | Elmaron | I just want the whole history to be gone, because I want to use "reset" before doing "make" so I can just scroll up to the beginning to see the first error messages instead of having to search in the whole history |
| 15:00.34 | Elmaron | this can get very annoying |
| 15:00.50 | Elmaron | (basically the "reset"-behaviour of gnome-terminal) |
| 15:00.56 | Elmaron | so how can I change it? is there a way to do this? |
| 15:01.16 | Elmaron | I'm talking of Konsole, sorry, not kde terminal |
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| 15:02.14 | cumulus007 | KDE eats much of my CPU usage |
| 15:02.24 | cumulus007 | Plasma and Xorg use 20 % each |
| 15:03.47 | Elmaron | sorry but... is there anyone here at all? |
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| 15:04.11 | deitarion | cumulus007: Sounds like your video drivers suck. I know that was my problem. |
| 15:04.28 | retsnom | hi |
| 15:05.10 | cumulus007 | deitarion: I'm using 180.35 |
| 15:05.10 | Elmaron | hm k. sorry for asking then =P if I explained my problem fundamentally wrong, please tell me so I can correct it. it would be really nice to know if gnome-terminal "reset" behaviour is possible at all... |
| 15:05.12 | cumulus007 | nvidia |
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| 15:05.33 | deitarion | cumulus007: I'm on 180.22. Let me suggest a couple of fixes via PM. |
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| 15:06.07 | cumulus007 | deitarion: thanks |
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| 15:13.16 | chickpea | I am using kde4.2.1 and am having the hardest time trying to connect to shared drives over a vpn tunnel |
| 15:13.37 | chickpea | I used smb://$USER@ipaddress in konqueror |
| 15:14.32 | chickpea | but konqueror errors with "timeout on server [ipaddress]" |
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| 15:16.17 | cumulus007 | deitarion: this is so great: finally, kwin works without framerate drops |
| 15:17.18 | deitarion | You may also want to try setting Trilinear filtering for KWin if you haven't already. Oddly, I found it faster than Bilinear. |
| 15:17.49 | Zarin | That would be weird, considering trilinear is three linear filters :) |
| 15:18.11 | Zarin | ... |
| 15:18.18 | Zarin | is captain obvious |
| 15:18.30 | deitarion | Zarin: Yeah, but for whatever reason, switching from Bilinear to Trilinear improved the perceived performance, regardless of the actual performance. |
| 15:18.48 | Zarin | So where are these old framerate drops? |
| 15:19.02 | deitarion | And, as any AJAX app designer will tell you, perceived performance is what matters. |
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| 15:19.14 | Zarin | I'm going to be pushing a few optimizations to trunk over the next few weeks, would be nice to know everything that is currently suboptimal. |
| 15:19.28 | Rehto- | I was able to enable antialiasing for beryl back in the day so how can I enable this in kde 4.2? |
| 15:19.53 | Zarin | Rehto-, currently not possible |
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| 15:20.07 | Zarin | Nobody has bothered adding the setting yet |
| 15:20.25 | Rehto- | ok thanks for the info |
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| 15:21.13 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, how do I stop the copy/move dialogue boxes from auto hiding? |
| 15:21.40 | ComradeHaz | 'tis the most silly behavour and whoever came up with the idea should be ashamed of themselves! |
| 15:22.27 | pinotree | ComradeHaz: no need to be unpolite, thanks |
| 15:23.08 | ComradeHaz | lol I'm not. Just being silly :) |
| 15:23.33 | ComradeHaz | (I trust it's possible to stop the bahaviour?) |
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| 15:27.39 | ComradeHaz | So, anyone? |
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| 15:34.36 | mfwitten_ | I've noticed that KDE4 provides a print dialog that already lists Print to PDF. Is this builtin functionality? or does it use some kind of cups-pdf derivative? |
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| 15:35.01 | mfwitten_ | Also, I'm not sure how KDE4 does printing. I've read funny things regarding CUPS and KDEPrint. Could someone clarify the situation to me? |
| 15:35.30 | Pollywog | I want to have kmail in Ubuntu but it requires mysql-server and I do not want to install that, is there a way around this dependency? |
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| 15:35.43 | mfwitten_ | (I installed cups-pdf, a virtual pdf printer, and it appears in the choice of printers, but that seems unnecessary now). |
| 15:35.50 | deitarion | What's /var/tmp/kdecache-${USER}/kpc? A pixmap cache? |
| 15:35.54 | Pollywog | this is a handlheld computer and I do not want mysql-server on it |
| 15:36.07 | thiago_home | deitarion: KDE Pixmap Cache |
| 15:36.17 | thiago_home | Pollywog: don't use akonadi then |
| 15:36.20 | deitarion | Thought so. Is it normal for it to be 1.5GiBs in size? |
| 15:36.33 | thiago_home | deitarion: no |
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| 15:36.53 | Pollywog | thiago_home: akonadi is a dependency too |
| 15:37.27 | deitarion | It seems to be because it contains a 120MiB file names plasma_theme_${theme_name}.data for each theme I have installed. |
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| 15:37.33 | thiago_home | deitarion: but note that the file sizes are misleading |
| 15:37.37 | Pollywog | and the way ubuntu packages are configured has changed recently and I do not know how to configure and build the package as a deb |
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| 15:37.57 | deitarion | thiago_home: Possible. FileLight doesn't take sparse files into account yet. |
| 15:37.57 | MoDaX | you cannot avoid akonadi |
| 15:38.00 | thiago_home | deitarion: the file sizes do not reflect the disk space occupied |
| 15:38.07 | mfwitten_ | Printing anyone? |
| 15:38.17 | Pollywog | MoDaX: ty I guess I will go with Evolution then |
| 15:38.23 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, how do I stop the copy/move dialogue boxes from auto hiding? |
| 15:38.30 | thiago_home | points out that Evolution is also very, very big |
| 15:38.47 | thiago_home | mfwitten_: I print |
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| 15:39.12 | Pollywog | or I suppose I could just install mysql-server and disable it |
| 15:39.45 | thiago_home | akonadi starts mysql if it needs to |
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| 15:39.55 | Pollywog | oh great |
| 15:40.04 | ComradeHaz | is mysql really that heavy anyway? |
| 15:40.05 | mfwitten_ | thiago_home: What exactly has been the whole KDEPrint debacle, and how does it involve cups? |
| 15:40.08 | Pollywog | thiago_home: ty I will then go with Evolution |
| 15:40.19 | MoDaX | akonadi starts mysqld on kde startup |
| 15:40.57 | thiago_home | mfwitten_: kdeprint wasn't maintained. |
| 15:41.05 | MoDaX | but yeah, explosion of daemons needed to run KDE is sad |
| 15:41.33 | thiago_home | MoDaX: like? |
| 15:41.54 | Pollywog | yes that is my philosophy, why run a lot of daemons, esp on a laptop or handheld |
| 15:42.11 | thiago_home | prefers the "fast" philosophy |
| 15:42.14 | mfwitten_ | thiago_home: So what's the print system now? Some simpler interface that interacts with cupsd and provides its own print-to-{pdf,postscript} support? |
| 15:42.23 | thiago_home | I don't know about you, but for me, that's what makes sense on laptops and handhelds |
| 15:42.31 | thiago_home | mfwitten_: yes |
| 15:42.38 | MoDaX | thiago_home: ps aux | grep akonadi | wc -l -> 7 - 1 (grep) = 6 |
| 15:42.39 | mfwitten_ | ok |
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| 15:43.55 | thiago_home | MoDaX: and why is that bad exactly? |
| 15:44.02 | Pollywog | could I run kmail and disable akonadi? |
| 15:44.08 | MoDaX | what is more, kde 4.2.1 is still leaking somewhere. better than 4.2.0, but still |
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| 15:44.24 | thiago_home | Pollywog: for now, yes |
| 15:44.32 | thiago_home | email isn't stored with Akonadi yet |
| 15:44.33 | MoDaX | thiago_home: 1GB of ram is enough for a day or two |
| 15:44.37 | Pollywog | thiago_homety |
| 15:44.45 | Pollywog | thiago_home ty |
| 15:44.45 | thiago_home | MoDaX: 1 GB of ram of what? |
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| 15:45.09 | MoDaX | thiago_home: to be able to work without heavy swapping. then I have to restart kde session |
| 15:45.20 | thiago_home | MoDaX: ah, you're talking about the leak |
| 15:45.26 | thiago_home | which I have never seen |
| 15:45.34 | MoDaX | thiago_home: many daemons also use memory |
| 15:45.35 | thiago_home | I run KDE without restarting it for weeks |
| 15:45.41 | thiago_home | MoDaX: use memory != leak |
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| 15:46.22 | MoDaX | thiago_home: sure, but if I don't care about those daemons most the time, they are using my precious memory |
| 15:46.30 | thiago_home | they'll get swapped out |
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| 15:47.23 | MoDaX | thiago_home: I know, but I still don't see how many daemons are a goodthing |
| 15:47.28 | thiago_home | I do |
| 15:47.39 | thiago_home | if they are used, that is |
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| 15:48.26 | thiago_home | I've just checked mine: they occupy between 2 and 3 MB of RAM only, each |
| 15:48.43 | MoDaX | in case of akonadi at least, most of them seem redundant. so many agents |
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| 15:49.06 | thiago_home | well, they're not redundant |
| 15:49.16 | thiago_home | if you have such a resource |
| 15:49.17 | thiago_home | I do |
| 15:50.07 | deitarion | Ugh. KConfig really needs to be improved. No sane config system should reset your KWin to defaults just because the disk ran out of space unexpectedly. |
| 15:50.08 | MoDaX | anyway, akonadi is not a big problem for me |
| 15:50.39 | MoDaX | whatever is still leaking is a BIG problem for me and has been since 4.0 |
| 15:51.15 | thiago_home | deitarion: blame kwin, not KConfig |
| 15:51.21 | thiago_home | same problem with kmail |
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| 15:51.33 | thiago_home | they try to save their config from scratch at shutdown |
| 15:51.40 | Elmaron | how can I remove nepomuk? |
| 15:52.07 | thiago_home | how did you install it? |
| 15:52.14 | deitarion | thiago_home: Ahh. I'll file a bug report later then. |
| 15:52.22 | Elmaron | thiago_home: not at all. it seems integrated |
| 15:52.33 | thiago_home | Elmaron: it is integrated |
| 15:52.37 | Elmaron | I just deactivated it in kcontrol... let's see if it is gone... *checks-processes* |
| 15:52.37 | thiago_home | but you can remove portions of it |
| 15:52.39 | thiago_home | how did you install it? |
| 15:53.02 | Elmaron | the nepomukserver is still running! |
| 15:53.08 | Elmaron | I installed kde4.1 through my distris repository |
| 15:53.31 | Elmaron | ah it's kde 4.2 now, recently got updates |
| 15:53.40 | Elmaron | I want to have nepomuk completely turned off, so no daemon is running anymore |
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| 15:56.52 | thiago_home | guys. if you find daemons running that aren't doing anything, report as bugs |
| 16:02.48 | thiago_home | daemons are good if and only if they are doing something important |
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| 16:04.03 | ld50 | Elmaron, is it strigi or nepomuk you want to disable? |
| 16:04.05 | Elmaron | both please |
| 16:04.05 | Elmaron | I deactivated nepomuk and a lot of processes disappeared, but a nepomukserver is still running |
| 16:04.05 | Elmaron | I want it gone |
| 16:04.05 | thiago_home | kill it |
| 16:04.05 | Elmaron | but it will get restarted |
| 16:04.05 | Elmaron | and removing the launch entry will get fixed with every kde update |
| 16:04.05 | Elmaron | so how can I just deactivate it? |
| 16:04.06 | Elmaron | so it stays out |
| 16:04.06 | Elmaron | and Akonadi seems very strange |
| 16:04.06 | pinotree | system settings â advanced â desktop search |
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| 16:04.06 | Elmaron | because everytime I enter the akonadi menu in kcontrol, it tells me that akonadi is not operational |
| 16:04.06 | ld50 | Elmaron, do you see nepomuk's systray icon or just a process? |
| 16:04.06 | Elmaron | still, akonadi is installed and a lot of kdethings seems to need it urgently |
| 16:04.06 | Elmaron | only a process |
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| 16:04.07 | Elmaron | pinotree: I already did it, it turned off many processes but not all of them, one staid |
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| 16:04.07 | Elmaron | which is named "/usr/bin/nepomukserver" |
| 16:04.07 | Elmaron | and what about akonadi? |
| 16:04.07 | Elmaron | kde seems to need it, but it doesn't work - and still nothing is broken, so kde can't need it that much :o |
| 16:04.07 | pinotree | you turned them off right now, or in a previous session? |
| 16:04.07 | Elmaron | so how can I deactivate it, too? |
| 16:04.08 | Elmaron | pinotree: oh you think it might be gone after a relogin? ok, I'll try |
| 16:04.08 | Elmaron | what about akonadi? |
| 16:04.08 | pinotree | yep |
| 16:04.08 | Elmaron | can I remove it? |
| 16:04.08 | ld50 | Elmaron, what does akonadictl status say? |
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| 16:04.23 | Elmaron | Akonadi Control: running |
| 16:04.28 | Elmaron | Akonadi Server: running |
| 16:04.50 | ld50 | Elmaron, do you use kdepim? |
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| 16:05.17 | Elmaron | ld50: no |
| 16:05.23 | Elmaron | but kdeadmin is told to depend on it |
| 16:05.32 | Elmaron | and kdebase-workspace |
| 16:05.45 | Elmaron | and kdeutils |
| 16:05.48 | Elmaron | and some other things |
| 16:05.58 | Elmaron | still, it seems to me that akonadi is something I don't need :/ |
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| 16:13.43 | alarm | hello, can i create a shortcut key to minimize all windows and show the desktop ? on kde 3.5.x there was an option in the short cut keys, cannot find it in 4.2 |
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| 16:18.30 | molin | hello, i'm wondering if there's anyway to tell ozone to explicitly use a different color for a specific window class (e.g. terminals matching my background). |
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| 16:27.06 | Elmaron | I expect "reset" to do what "Clear scrollback & reset" does for konsole terminal |
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| 16:27.18 | tuxick | nVidia Corporation GeForce 8200 rev 162 |
| 16:27.21 | Elmaron | but actually it doesn't, it seems to do the same as clear |
| 16:27.29 | Elmaron | is there a way to change this? |
| 16:27.34 | tuxick | does that ring any "no wonder your kde4 won't work" bells? |
| 16:27.53 | thiago_home | is that the driver version 162? |
| 16:28.04 | tuxick | i'm no graphics expert |
| 16:28.08 | tuxick | a mere victim |
| 16:28.34 | tuxick | driver is 180.29 |
| 16:28.53 | tuxick | but i've tried them all, all causing trouble |
| 16:29.01 | thiago_home | no, then it's nothing that rings a bell to me |
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| 16:29.40 | tuxick | dang, was almost hoping 8200 was "ah no, that card is simply broken" so i could stop wasting time |
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| 16:33.30 | wilder | alarm |
| 16:33.53 | wilder | there's a plasmoid called "show desktop" |
| 16:33.59 | wilder | you can assign a shortcut to it |
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| 16:35.03 | alarm | doesnt work after an update i did on kubuntu |
| 16:35.12 | alarm | thats why i try to find a shortcut key |
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| 16:44.53 | nondysjunction | hello |
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| 16:45.11 | nondysjunction | How do I change the KDE3 "style" theme, without using kcontrol? |
| 16:45.30 | nondysjunction | the qt widget, i guess it would be called? |
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| 16:45.51 | thiago_home | appname -style stylename |
| 16:46.12 | victim | kubuntu 8.10, kde 4.2. Adept just installed Krename, how do I add it to the right click in Konqueror? |
| 16:46.54 | kdepepo | nondysjunction, in .kde/share/config/kdeglobals, section [General], widgetStyle=plastik (or whatever) |
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| 16:49.32 | gaby | Hi, I just updated Fedora, and while installing new packages, I've got an error message refering to KDE : http://rafb.net/p/RFrIHf20.html |
| 16:49.59 | Half-Left | gaby: Ask in #fedora |
| 16:50.30 | gaby | Yeah, but it's related to KDE... I'm not sure it's because of Fedora. |
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| 16:52.20 | thiago_home | KDE doesn't make Fedora packages |
| 16:52.22 | thiago_home | so that's a Fedora issue |
| 16:52.29 | Half-Left | gone |
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| 16:55.05 | ayevee | is it possible to control font size somehow in webkit-kpart? |
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| 16:57.54 | ayevee | nvm, worked it out |
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| 17:00.03 | ComradeHaz | Hi all, how do I stop the copy/move dialogue boxes from auto hiding? |
| 17:01.55 | thiago_home | go back to the old mode |
| 17:02.07 | thiago_home | in the systray configurations |
| 17:02.51 | tuxick | A Fatal Error Occurred |
| 17:02.52 | tuxick | The application KOrganizer (korganizer) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV). |
| 17:02.55 | tuxick | giggles |
| 17:03.17 | tuxick | another one to rebuild with debug support |
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| 17:03.51 | tuxick | hmm did that |
| 17:04.17 | ld50 | tuxick, got backtrace? |
| 17:04.50 | ld50 | brb |
| 17:05.34 | tuxick | ld50: it said no debug info |
| 17:05.45 | tuxick | all i did was add an xmlrpc server |
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| 17:07.13 | tuxick | hmm, wasn't there a channel #kde-pim? |
| 17:07.26 | tuxick | korganizer(9564): Server send error 165 : "Access to restricted port in POST denied." |
| 17:07.29 | thiago_home | #kontact |
| 17:07.33 | tuxick | ah cheers |
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| 17:11.21 | Half-Left | If kde-look.org are on Novell, SUSE servers, it explains everything :p |
| 17:11.34 | wilder | I recently updated to 4.2.1 and it seems that something went wrong with the installation |
| 17:11.52 | wilder | I've lots of KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath:xxxxx not found" |
| 17:12.03 | tkmr | Hello. I'm Running Kubuntu 8.10, KDE 4.2, and I'm trying to find a plasmoid similar to Ubuntu's Deskbar. Any suggestions? |
| 17:12.06 | thiago_home | Half-Left: and if it's not? |
| 17:12.15 | wilder | i kbuildsyscoca'd and everything |
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| 17:12.42 | wilder | any ideas? |
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| 17:13.11 | Half-Left | thiago_home: Then my theory is wrong |
| 17:13.25 | thiago_home | theories get disproven all of the time |
| 17:13.29 | thiago_home | it's part of the scientific process |
| 17:13.40 | thiago_home | now make a new hypothesis and try to prove it |
| 17:14.27 | Half-Left | True but going by opensuse, it has the same problem, update servers are slow as hell |
| 17:15.18 | Half-Left | And some KDE sites are hosted by Novell as I know of |
| 17:15.54 | thiago_home | some are hosted by Nokia |
| 17:16.14 | MaNI | what file do I need to delete so that plasma will lose all its current plasmoid settings? |
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| 17:16.36 | ComradeHaz | thiago_home: were you responding to my query? I can't work out what you mean |
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| 17:17.10 | thiago_home | ComradeHaz: yes |
| 17:17.24 | thiago_home | right-click the system tray in your panel, configure it |
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| 17:17.31 | thiago_home | there's an option to not show plasmoid notifications |
| 17:17.43 | volodya | is 'make clean' is a build tree supposed to remove .moc files? |
| 17:17.50 | SSJ_GZ | ComradeHaz: http://pindablog.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/about-bugs-notifications-and-clean-blend/ |
| 17:17.59 | SSJ_GZ | ("ShowJobs" bit) |
| 17:18.03 | thiago_home | volodya: make clean removes what make creates |
| 17:18.06 | thiago_home | so, yeah |
| 17:18.10 | thiago_home | it's supposed to |
| 17:18.50 | volodya | hmm, it's not happening to me. |
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| 17:19.11 | thiago_home | I said _supposed_ to |
| 17:19.20 | thiago_home | I didn't say I was sure it actually worked like that :-) |
| 17:19.25 | volodya | ok :-) |
| 17:19.40 | volodya | removes 4.4-produced moc in the old-fashioned way |
| 17:19.50 | thiago_home | in fact, I think it doesn't work like it's supposed to |
| 17:20.32 | ComradeHaz | uh |
| 17:20.40 | ComradeHaz | that's not making much sense to me |
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| 17:21.18 | ComradeHaz | alas I'm also being nagged by the Missus to get ready (we're off out to dinner) so if I value my hearing I'd better go ;) |
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| 17:27.40 | Defense|Twin | Hi, is it normal that i cant view xml websites with the konqueror? |
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| 17:33.49 | kdepepo | Defense|Twin, do you mean XHTML or plain XML? |
| 17:34.08 | Defense|Twin | kdepepo: xml with xslt for example |
| 17:34.27 | Defense|Twin | like http://ktv-segeberg.de |
| 17:34.38 | kdepepo | Defense|Twin, it cannot, see bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55420 |
| 17:34.48 | Defense|Twin | ok thx |
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| 17:50.33 | noren | hi all; got a unique prob. cant get to the desktop after the login, it went lack and blank gives an error signal 11 for plaaasma workspace |
| 17:50.39 | noren | can anyone help here |
| 17:52.03 | Half-Left | noren: So plasma crashes all the time on login? |
| 17:52.23 | noren | this is what i get if i try running plasma from console http://paste.ubuntu.com/127847/ |
| 17:52.34 | noren | Half-Left: yes what can i do ?? |
| 17:54.10 | Half-Left | Try deleting .kde/share/config/plasmarc and plasma-appletrc |
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| 17:54.38 | Half-Left | You will lose any customization |
| 17:55.22 | wilder | noren: Half-Left: same problem here |
| 17:55.41 | Half-Left | Try what I said first |
| 17:55.47 | Half-Left | Then relogin |
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| 17:56.29 | wilder | Half-Left: I have a clean user account |
| 17:56.38 | wilder | and I already kbuildsyscoca4'd |
| 17:56.51 | Half-Left | Right but try that and tell me what happens |
| 17:57.32 | wilder | for me plasma shows the transparent background (checkered), no panel no nothing |
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| 17:57.44 | wilder | and complains in this way |
| 17:58.57 | wilder | wtf |
| 17:59.13 | noren | Half-Left: i dont have any such file there |
| 17:59.18 | wilder | =P apparently compiling for the 4th time kdecore made something |
| 17:59.28 | Half-Left | noren: then try .kde4 |
| 18:00.29 | noren | is it suppossse to be in root directory or home |
| 18:00.39 | Half-Left | home |
| 18:01.19 | noren | i only have .kde therre no .kde4 |
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| 18:01.52 | Half-Left | So you have not such files in that directory? |
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| 18:02.03 | wilder | Half-Left: nah, it's gone again |
| 18:02.23 | wilder | I bet it's a syscoca problem, or an installation problem |
| 18:03.12 | Half-Left | Sounds like a packaging issue, you should have them files |
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| 18:04.40 | Half-Left | Check your permisions as well, if your using some beta distro or packages it could be that |
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| 18:09.12 | noren | Half-Left: i m using kde4.2 on kubuntu |
| 18:09.54 | Half-Left | Which is pre-beta :) |
| 18:11.14 | Half-Left | I guess you got KDE4.2 from backports, so I'm not sure why your plasma is not running, it maybe a config or package bug |
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| 18:11.51 | noren | Half-Left: it was running fine an hour ago !! but thanks for the help |
| 18:12.45 | Half-Left | noren: So you have been using it for not long? |
| 18:13.36 | noren | Half-Left: i had been using for past 8 days |
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| 18:14.00 | noren | i had got it upgraded from kubuntu 8.10 intrepid |
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| 18:14.49 | wilder | Half-Left: any clue about this error message: |
| 18:14.55 | Half-Left | noren: If all else fails delete .kde, remember that will delete all KDE4 info and settings, it may just be a config issue or corrption |
| 18:15.01 | wilder | KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath: kded/kdedglobalaccel.desktop not found" |
| 18:15.31 | Half-Left | wilder: Compiled or packages? |
| 18:15.38 | wilder | compiled |
| 18:15.48 | wilder | svn branch 4.2 |
| 18:16.16 | Half-Left | And what order fif you compile? |
| 18:16.19 | Half-Left | did* |
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| 18:16.32 | noren | Half-Left: have already tried doing that also. moved all to a backup folder |
| 18:16.35 | noren | but no use |
| 18:16.45 | wilder | libs pimlibs base |
| 18:17.09 | Half-Left | noren: Did you try a different user account? |
| 18:17.27 | noren | i have only one usser account here |
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| 18:19.06 | Half-Left | wilder: Should be kdesupport, kdelibs, kdebase-runtime, kdebase workspace |
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| 18:19.29 | Half-Left | noren: Try making another and see if the issue persists |
| 18:19.46 | wilder | well I was just upgrading from 4.2.0 |
| 18:20.01 | noren | how can i access control panel from konsole |
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| 18:20.20 | wilder | and besides runtime/workspace 4.2.0 worked fine with the 4.2 branch libs |
| 18:20.23 | tadzik_ | hello there |
| 18:20.30 | tadzik_ | any conky user out there? |
| 18:20.33 | wilder | I just recompiled base and *boom* |
| 18:20.56 | Half-Left | wilder: http://www.freehackers.org/thomas/2009/03/06/updating-to-kde-421-delete-your-plasma-files-again/ |
| 18:21.21 | Half-Left | wilder: You should update all |
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| 18:26.03 | wilder | Half-Left: alright, kdesupport is only in trunk, right? |
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| 18:27.26 | Half-Left | Thats correct |
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| 18:28.44 | victim | http://www.pastie.org/410326 contains a *.desktop config file that adds Krename to the Konqueror context menu |
| 18:28.53 | wilder | ok, we will see |
| 18:28.59 | victim | kde4.2 |
| 18:29.03 | mountainjew | How come the system monitor in KDE doesn't show whats eating cpu? Even when it's set to 'all processes'? |
| 18:29.22 | wilder | it's weird, though, as if I run kbuild* from the build directory it half-works |
| 18:29.34 | wilder | I mean Plasma doesn't complain anymore, kded4 does |
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| 18:30.10 | Half-Left | mountainjew: Depends, if you have it set to user, it won't show root processes |
| 18:31.05 | mountainjew | Half-Left, no i have it set to all processes, not user....then sort by highest cpu% and it shows 1 program using about 10% but at the status bar it says 60 - 70% and i can't see what other process is doing that |
| 18:31.45 | Half-Left | mountainjew: Try top then, maybe it dont show dual core or something |
| 18:32.03 | mountainjew | i dunno....i'll give top a try |
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| 18:34.41 | wilder | Half-Left: doh, strigi does not compile :( |
| 18:36.00 | Half-Left | wilder: What I mean is compile all the kde4.2.1, not really kdesupport |
| 18:36.19 | Half-Left | Since you have that already |
| 18:36.25 | wilder | well then I already did that |
| 18:36.31 | wilder | :( |
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| 18:38.03 | Half-Left | wilder: Did you check that link I gave you? |
| 18:39.00 | wilder | first, it's a clean account |
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| 18:39.24 | wilder | then yes, I already deleted (or rather moved) all my (beloved) plasma* files |
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| 18:41.32 | Half-Left | Not sure then |
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| 18:43.59 | noren | hi again |
| 18:44.17 | noren | i got this dbus error while starting plasma can any one help ?? http://paste.ubuntu.com/127868/ |
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| 18:51.50 | noren | any one here can confirm if this is a bug or some stupidity done from my sidde http://paste.ubuntu.com/127868/ |
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| 18:53.53 | deitarion | Is there a way to increase the scroll wheel scroll rate for Konqueror icon views only? |
| 18:54.10 | deitarion | Oh, Konqueror 4.2.1. It was fine in 3.5.x. |
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| 18:57.32 | J1MB0 | Hi Folks... I have just installed KDE 4.2 on Ubuntu 8.10.... it is truely brilliant! I can't image going back to gnome after using this for an hour. |
| 18:57.49 | deitarion | Hmm. Odd. It seems to be a DolphinPart problem (Konqueror and Dolphin) that has a counter-intuitive behaviour. It scrolls too slowly with large icons (all view modes) and too quickly with small ones. |
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| 19:16.01 | tuxick | second crash this afternoon |
| 19:16.05 | tuxick | it's getting annoying |
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| 19:23.21 | wolfgang_ | hi, i want to turn off those control panel mouse over doodles, the pop-ups which only say what the panel item from which they popped up says anyway plus they're so not cool when they get in the way of my konsole sessions. how can i do that? there's nothing in the panel's conf button, there's nothing in settings ... kde 4.1.3 here. tia |
| 19:24.27 | wolfgang_ | it's not in the faq either which it should be because it must have been asked a zillion times |
| 19:27.10 | tstaerk2 | wolfgang_, call systemsettings |
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| 19:27.53 | wolfgang_ | tstaerk2: what are you thinking, i did 30 seconds after this system install was done, there's nothing |
| 19:28.20 | wolfgang_ | let me rephrase that: where in system settings? |
| 19:28.41 | kdepepo | wolfgang_, systemsettings->Desktop->Effects->All Effects, disable Window Thumbnails |
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| 19:28.56 | wolfgang_ | desktop effects are off here |
| 19:29.19 | kdepepo | then you have to clarify "control panel mouse over doodles" |
| 19:30.18 | wolfgang_ | kdepepo: just turned effects on, unset the window thumbnails, pop-ups gone |
| 19:30.25 | wolfgang_ | is what i call a bug |
| 19:30.36 | kdepepo | wolfgang_, report it, bugs.kde.org |
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| 19:32.31 | wolfgang_ | kdepepo: can i be honest here? it wouldn't cross my mind. most of these kde peculiarities are so freaking obvious that i'd feel i'd be insulting people by reporting those on bugs.kde.org. no offence, allright? |
| 19:33.06 | kdepepo | wolfgang_, you will not offense anyone by reporting a bug you found. |
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| 19:33.38 | kdepepo | wolfgang_, lazyness to do so is a different story. |
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| 19:34.32 | wolfgang_ | kdepepo: hey, this is not laziness. the stuff that oi |
| 19:34.46 | wolfgang_ | is broken in kde is outright embarrassing. |
| 19:35.13 | kdepepo | wolfgang_, then use something different. |
| 19:35.23 | JamesB192 | I have several thousand .eml files created by the MS mail program I used to use. Is there a cheap/easy way to import them into kde-pim? |
| 19:35.34 | wolfgang_ | i'm not comfortable with telling them all the time. can they frix their bugs please? i mean, the 1000 easy ones? |
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| 19:36.00 | wolfgang_ | kdepepo: it's not like there's an ocean of alternatives |
| 19:36.16 | kdepepo | wolfgang_, if its easy, why not help doing it? |
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| 19:36.40 | wolfgang_ | god, i never wanted to be in desktop maintenance in the first place, ok? |
| 19:37.41 | wolfgang_ | i know ... |
| 19:37.50 | kdepepo | wolfgang_, apparently you are. Cannot interpret "easy" differently... |
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| 19:39.58 | wolfgang_ | kdepepo: what's with the attitude? where's the pride in kde devs? they release stuff like dolphin which is pathetically broken in some places and then they tell people "hey, you can always report bugs," why not fix them? don't they use their stuff? |
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| 19:41.11 | kdepepo | wolfgang_, sure they use it, but they didn't write it for _you_. Is this your first time with open source? |
| 19:41.36 | kdepepo | This isn't a KDE specific discussion, take it elsewhere. |
| 19:41.56 | wolfgang_ | kdepepo: you gotta be kidding me. look at how dolphin updates dirs. |
| 19:42.46 | wolfgang_ | well, i don't want to steal your or my time, so thanks for the hint and byebye |
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| 20:00.06 | _mwoodj_ | Hi. I am trying out a 360 wireless controller adapter and as soon as I plug it in the controller takes control of the mouse cursor in KDE. Two of the buttons act like mouse buttons. So when I am testing the buttons in the KDE joystick dialog I can't test those two as they register mouse clicks. Is there anyway to keep the controller disassociated with the mouse cursor? |
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| 20:09.24 | zmitya | hi all |
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| 20:10.09 | zmitya | I just upgraded my kubuntu from http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main |
| 20:10.20 | zmitya | to KDE 4.2.1 |
| 20:11.11 | zmitya | in konsole when I double click on an IP address it select only the actual number not the whole address |
| 20:11.26 | zmitya | I'm sure it selected the whole address before |
| 20:11.27 | thiago_home | yeah, this is a recent issue |
| 20:11.36 | zmitya | really ? |
| 20:11.46 | zmitya | is there a bug reported ? |
| 20:11.54 | thiago_home | no |
| 20:11.58 | thiago_home | I noticed it in my build |
| 20:12.46 | zmitya | so is there a plan to change it ? :) |
| 20:15.09 | thiago_home | i hope so |
| 20:15.22 | zmitya | great, thanks |
| 20:15.25 | thiago_home | I believe this is a regression and there's a setting it's not respecting |
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| 20:22.39 | Elmaron | hi |
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| 20:23.03 | Elmaron | I just restarted my computer (I had to pull out the power as X froze) and now kde fails - specifically, plasma always crashes |
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| 20:23.25 | Elmaron | when starting KDE, I got a graphical message that plasma crashed (after successfully passing the graphical KDE loading screen) |
| 20:23.46 | Elmaron | then I attempted to restart it; I went to TTY3 and logged in to my user, exported the correct display and started "plasma" again |
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| 20:24.16 | Elmaron | I got the following output: http://eloxoph.net/plasmacrash.txt |
| 20:25.00 | Elmaron | if someone has an idea, just shoot - I would like to do a bit of work on my graphical desktop, but without plasma this would turn out to be a true pain |
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| 20:27.39 | sredna | Elmaron: try moving ~/.kde (or ~/.kde4 if you use that) out of the way (rename!), or even just the plasma related config files therein. |
| 20:27.58 | Elmaron | ok... lemme test that |
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| 20:30.04 | Elmaron | sredna: fixed it |
| 20:30.15 | Elmaron | a bit odd, but at least it works now =P |
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| 20:30.32 | sredna | Elmaron: a pragmatic fix :) |
| 20:30.50 | sredna | plasma reflects its origin ;) |
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| 21:01.24 | BurkeOne | hey |
| 21:01.28 | BurkeOne | anyone here? |
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| 21:02.08 | BurkeOne | It would be nice if someone would take a look at a wish of mine on bugzilla. Fell free to comment or vote: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186250 |
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| 21:05.04 | hallowname | BurkeOne: good idea, bug the coders :) ill piddle up a patch for this as soon as i get my trunk compiled again... |
| 21:05.29 | Evelynn | Hey, what package provides "more" settings to "System Settings" ?; I currently have only Icons and Emotions |
| 21:06.01 | kdepepo | Evelynn, which distribution do you use? |
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| 21:06.14 | BurkeOne | yeah, well. It would be nice to see that simple improvement getting into the DE |
| 21:06.27 | Evelynn | kdepepo: trying out new ubuntu 9.04 |
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| 21:22.08 | Elmaron | X froze and I pulled the power off, apparently plasma chose exactly that moment to save its configuration files (I was *not* configuring plasma in that moment) and now plasma crashes as the config files are apparently damaged again |
| 21:22.25 | Elmaron | and plasma doesn't spit out any error message about a wrong config file but just crashes |
| 21:22.31 | Tub | hi, quick question: is there a way to make plasma use two screens as a single workspace? i.e. a single (stretched) wallpaper, one cachew, the ability to drag&drop plasmoids across screens etc? |
| 21:22.59 | Elmaron | so which config file is most likely to cause this? |
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| 21:24.53 | Elmaron | ok deleting all folders with plasma did it |
| 21:25.01 | Elmaron | is plasma often "just" saving the config out of nowhere? |
| 21:25.15 | Elmaron | I must admit I never had that many broken configs due to having to pull out the power as I have on linux |
| 21:25.46 | Elmaron | and it's really just a big "THANK YOU!" if not only X hangs up, but also some program decides to trash its config and you cannot even right continue working after rebooting >.< |
| 21:26.13 | Elmaron | *I never had as many ... on windows as I have on linux |
| 21:26.35 | Elmaron | I also didn't at gnome, but KDE seems good at that :/ |
| 21:27.15 | Spell_ | Elmaron: you could delete the kde4 plasma configs |
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| 21:41.02 | BillyBop | Hi, I use kde4.2.1. Only some words are translated in french, the rest is in english. was the same for kde 4.2.0, any clue? |
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| 21:43.37 | hallowname | BillyBop: distro channel? help translate? :) |
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| 21:45.12 | Dad`Gen | BillyBop: Si tu trouves la solution je suis preneur j'ai le même problème ;) |
| 21:45.25 | BillyBop | hallowname: gentoo, french translation, |
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| 21:48.33 | EskimoBob | there is a problem with LANG="et_EE.UTF-8" and libkleo-4.2.1, please see http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=242332 |
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| 21:51.14 | pinotree | gotta love this false claims of kde problems... |
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| 21:54.53 | BillyBop | I didn't say kde has a problem, I said I have a problem |
| 21:55.09 | BillyBop | and I don't know how to resolv it. |
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| 22:00.33 | JamesB192 | I guess I just need to read the manual or something. |
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| 22:02.16 | pinotree | BillyBop: sorry, i was not referring to you |
| 22:04.21 | _mwoodj_ | Does anyone know how to make a game controller not move the mouse cursor around? I want KDE to ignore the controller so I can just use it for games. |
| 22:06.30 | BillyBop | pinotree: sorry too, I'm paranoiac :) |
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| 22:06.34 | kdepepo | _mwoodj_, maybe check if it is registered in /etc/xorg.conf |
| 22:06.40 | pinotree | BillyBop: no worries |
| 22:07.27 | _mwoodj_ | kdepepo, I will take a look at that.?It shouldn't be as I just plugged it into USB and the desktop picked it up. It properly reports what it is and it works in games but if I am playing a game windowed the mouse cursor is moving around the screen while I play. |
| 22:08.38 | JamesB192 | _mwoodj_, I think X is probably using the /dev/input/mice node or something like it. I suppose you could tell it to use the individual rats each for a specific task, but I'd ask the X people not #kde . |
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| 22:09.06 | _mwoodj_ | JamesB192, Ahhh... thats a good point. I think you are right on that. |
| 22:10.00 | _mwoodj_ | This 360 wireless controller adapter is really cool. Once I fix this issue I am going to be real happy with it. |
| 22:11.22 | _mwoodj_ | I'm playing Silent Hill 2 with it right now... works great. I will go ahead and look into the X config. Thanks guys. |
| 22:11.28 | Tub | _mwoodj_: it's either /dev/input/mice or you're using xorg+HAL, and your HAL configuration misreports the gamepad as a mouse. you could try 'lshal' to see what HAL has to say about the gamepad. |
| 22:12.03 | _mwoodj_ | I looked at lshal and it looked proper at a glance. Let me take a closer look. |
| 22:13.11 | _mwoodj_ | oh there is is... info.capabilities...'input.mouse'... |
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| 22:14.38 | Tub | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.48 | Tub | if you can kill that line, you should be fine. |
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| 22:16.00 | Tub | I'm not too experienced with HAL, but the solution is usually to fiddle with some .fdi in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ |
| 22:16.01 | _mwoodj_ | So I need to add a policy for this particular device |
| 22:16.10 | _mwoodj_ | heh |
| 22:16.15 | _mwoodj_ | Looks like we have the same idea. |
| 22:16.25 | Tub | yup :) |
| 22:16.27 | _mwoodj_ | Alright. I will report back. |
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| 22:17.01 | tzd | is there a command to find out which kde version I'm running please? |
| 22:17.22 | Tub | tzd: kde-config -v |
| 22:17.43 | pinotree | or kde4-config -v for kde4 |
| 22:18.12 | tzd | ah good, thanks to both of you: Tub & pinotree |
| 22:18.22 | pinotree | welcome |
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| 22:20.10 | tzd | actually this brings me to another question. Just noticed I'm running 4.2.0... is there a way to receive the latest version by using "Kpackagekit"? I thought it would update itself as soon as possible since it's not a major release? |
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| 22:21.30 | _mwoodj_ | Tub, That worked perfectly. Thanks for the help. |
| 22:21.43 | Tub | cool :) |
| 22:22.35 | _mwoodj_ | I am going to try the 360 racing wheel/pedals in a few minutes. I'm crossing my fingers on that one. :) |
| 22:23.21 | pinotree | tzd: well, somebody has to provide packages for it anyway ;) and that's job for the various distros |
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| 22:23.22 | BillyBop | Hum, I don't understand, the locales are well installed |
| 22:23.46 | Tub | oh well, I'll try my question again before registering on the forums.. |
| 22:23.54 | myosotisssss | anybody know off hand where the kate sources are in svn? I seem to be too dum to find them =\ |
| 22:23.55 | Tub | is there a way to make plasma use two screens as a single workspace? i.e. a single (stretched) wallpaper, one cachew, the ability to drag&drop plasmoids across screens etc? |
| 22:24.08 | BillyBop | what's the princip of kde? allow mixing languages or allow only the translation when all the app is translated? |
| 22:24.09 | tzd | pinotree: oh i see... I suppose I'll have to wait for a while then. At least there's a lot to look forward to :D |
| 22:24.31 | pinotree | tzd: best would be asking in the channel of your distro, they should know better |
| 22:24.58 | tzd | pinotree: will do, cheers |
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| 23:02.48 | killermach | I have mandriva 2009 and the plasma panel squishes my open applications so tightly I can only see the icon and part of the first letter .. |
| 23:03.07 | killermach | kicker used to group my open applications, can plasma do this? |
| 23:04.55 | Spell | killermach: it does! |
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| 23:11.28 | DarkriftX | Can anyone tell me why video related changed I am making *WILL NOT* stick? |
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| 23:17.04 | mbvpixies78 | happy weekend to those to whom it applies |
| 23:17.10 | mbvpixies78 | and happy spring break to me |
| 23:18.20 | mbvpixies78 | Does anyone know which task, in task manager in KDE (Fedora 10) controls the service which is trying to find and install new software? it's stuck in the little right-hand system tray and won't close |
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| 23:22.30 | killermach | Spell: I do not see how to get it to do grouping of applications |
| 23:22.56 | Spell | killermach: do you have the newest kde4? |
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| 23:24.18 | MagicDuck | hi, Is there any way to stop requesting to open the kwallet each time I start it. I mean is there a way for it to remember? |
| 23:24.30 | MagicDuck | *kmail I mean |
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| 23:26.33 | killermach | Spell , how can I tell for sure, rpm -qa|grep kde .. shows a lot of kde4 packages |
| 23:27.27 | Spell | killermach: Enter sysinfo:/ in Konqueror |
| 23:29.16 | killermach | Spell: "protocol not supported" |
| 23:29.23 | Spell | Oo |
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| 23:30.52 | Spell | you have to input it in Konqueror |
| 23:31.20 | pinotree | sysinfo is installed by default only in opensuse |
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| 23:32.24 | killermach | Spell: Kinfocenter -> Protocols has sysinfo listed but no details |
| 23:32.59 | Spell | killermach: then simply update all kde4 packages installed... it wouldnt damage i think |
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| 23:34.15 | Spell | btw... which distribution? |
| 23:34.42 | killermach | Spell: are you willing to share the blame if I bugger up my wife's workstation ?? :) |
| 23:34.52 | killermach | Mandriva 2009 |
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| 23:35.22 | Defense|Twin | is there a way how i can move a window higher than my screen? i mean atm i cant move the window title above the upper end of my screen :( |
| 23:35.29 | Spell | Mandriva 2009 have only 4.1 preinstalled |
| 23:35.47 | Spell | and windowgrouping is new with 4.2 i think |
| 23:36.39 | marty_mc | why often when i delete 4, 5 file... that take like a lot of time.... files are very small... 5 kb... kde do a notification.... it's long |
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| 23:39.16 | Spell | killermach: so if you want windowgrouping you have to update to 4.2 |
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| 23:40.33 | Spell | kde4.2 is much better than 4.1 anyway |
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| 23:41.42 | peaches__ | hey uh does the dolphin disk space information bar use HAL in any way? |
| 23:42.20 | killermach | spell.. she uses this for work, has projects open for weeks at a time, several overlapping, I thinik I might move her back to a more featureful version, then we can wait for the new stuff to catch up to the feature list we make the most use of |
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| 23:43.47 | peaches__ | .. im guessing this isnt normal.. anyone know how to fix this Solid::Backends::Hal::HalManager::findDeviceByDeviceInterface(const Solid::DeviceInterface::Type&) error: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected" |
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| 23:46.30 | InkBottle | when I click on digital clock applet, I get a calendar. How do I close this window? |
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| 23:49.01 | junkDawgie | click on the clock again, InkBottle |
| 23:49.35 | InkBottle | too smart |
| 23:49.54 | szal | intriguing.. :> |
| 23:50.10 | junkDawgie | maybe we could look up a qdbus call to do it... but that seems a bit much |
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| 23:51.02 | InkBottle | junkDawgie: clicking on the clock again seems simple; but I haven't found it myself :) |
| 23:51.12 | InkBottle | bye, thanks |
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