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00:06.51nanothieftrelane, you could try in system settings -> advanced -> file associations, and select gwenview for filetypes you don't want firefox to open
00:07.13nanothiefor make some new filetypes if needed
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00:11.00lgrinbergI want to configure KDE so that "lock screen" actually runs "xset dpms force off && qdbus org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver Lock" rather than just "qdbus org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver Lock"
00:11.06lgrinberg(this is KDE 4.2)
00:11.07lgrinberghow do I do that?
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00:14.48mpalacioI can not start any kde 4.2 application from kde trunk
00:14.55mpalaciokrita: symbol lookup error: /home/kde/KDE/lib/kde4/plugins/styles/oxygen.so: undefined symbol: _ZNK6KStyle26standardIconImplementationEN6QStyle14StandardPixmapEPK12QStyleOptionPK7QWidget
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00:16.20lgrinbergWhere is the "lock screen" command configured in KDE?
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00:18.23yowshiany i just switched to kde can i get some help configuring it?
00:19.16lgrinbergyowshi, what do you need?
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00:20.48yowshilgrinberg: i am trying to get a second panel up on the top of the window figure out how to get my app launchers from gone onto it put the addons from the firefox in gnome into the kde firefox which seems to be missing them and fix pidgin so new posts dont seem so sticky when showing up on a full im window
00:21.02yowshifrom gnome
00:21.26yowshilgrinberg: oh yeah and kde is bunching together my windows in the bottom bar i dont want that
00:22.17lgrinbergyowshi, right click on your current panel, select panel options > add panel
00:22.31lgrinbergand if it's in the wrong place, click its little swirly thing, click "screen edge" and drag it to the top
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00:23.08lgrinbergyowshi, you can right click where the windows are being bunched (not on a window, but next to it), click "task manager settings" and configure "grouping"
00:23.14lgrinberg(e.g. "Do not group")
00:23.37lgrinbergand Firefox has nothing to do with GNOME -- you just have to migrate your mozilla profile (move ~/.mozilla)
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00:24.40yowshiwait ok click on a space next tpo one of the grouped window tabs?
00:24.48Walzmynyowshi, or you can tell it to upgroup certian windows. so if you wanted to keep gimp or something together
00:25.22lgrinbergyowshi, yes
00:25.52yowshicool anyway to move the clock and running apps icons to the top panel?
00:26.07yowshior have the windows that are open move up ther
00:26.09yowshie?
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00:27.11peachesi want to change the number of items that show up in kde's menu 'recently used' application and documents.  any way to to that via gui or config file?
00:28.14yowshialso where do i move my .mozilla stuff to?
00:28.48yowshihmmm wieerd the addons are listed in the tools addons section just not active
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00:30.27lgrinbergyowhi, you can add and remove stuff from the panel by right clicking on it and choosing "add widgets"
00:30.56lgrinbergyowshi, and if this is the same computer, then I have no idea -- .mozilla should be in the same place
00:31.07lgrinberganyway, best of luck. I have to leave
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00:35.35yowshiwheres the system monitor?
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01:14.09yowshican someone help me move my app launchers from gnome to kde?
01:14.40DhraakellianI turned the fscking screensaver off.  why does it keep launching?
01:14.45Dhraakellianhmm
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01:16.48DhraakellianKDE 4.2 from the OpenSUSE 11.1 KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop repo
01:19.03yowshithere rally outgha be some kind of integrate settings thing
01:20.49rdieterDhraakellian: I've noticed that myself from time to time once I tweaked screensaver/dpms settings, then with further configuration... it went away (been fine for awhile).  wierd, alright.
01:21.46Shirakawasunayowshi: huh?
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01:22.43yowshiShirakawasuna: for things like getting app launchers from a gnome panel into kde
01:23.55Shirakawasunayowshi: nope, can't transfer that
01:25.33yowshi:(
01:30.20Dhraakellianrdieter: any idea what made it go away?
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01:33.41rdieterDhraakellian: sorry, no.
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02:28.39evan_Anybody know how to disable plasma as part of the startkde sequence?  Or where it gets called?  I run KDE4.2 atop ion3, and don't use any desktop whatsoever.  I just want to comment out the exec of plasma itselt.
02:28.47evan_(Incidentally, for anybody who cares, most plasmoids run perfectly nicely in the frames of a framing window manager)
02:30.48evan_And for those who might be curious as to what happens, plasma winds up running as a fullscreen app on a new virtual desktop, with the panel as a nicely framed plasmoid on desktop one.  Odd... I'd like to stop that "extra" desktop from popping up.
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03:02.22Digital_PioneerHey, I seem to have lost some icons somehow. Most of the icons under the "Leave" menu are missing (Just question marks). I use KDE 4.2
03:02.28Digital_PioneerAny idea what happened.
03:02.30Digital_Pioneer?
03:02.39DozzzieQUICKLY! RUN "init 0" as root!
03:03.01eliasp;)
03:03.18Digital_PioneerDozzzie: You know, such advice is generally frowned upon in IRC.
03:03.34Dozzziesowwy
03:03.51Digital_PioneerThough anyone with a computer should be fully aware that when someone says to do anything "quickly" and "as root" it's probably a bad idea. :P
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03:04.15dudekHi folks!
03:05.06Dozzziehaaaaiii dudek :):)
03:05.26dudekIs there someone here that uses Kommander?
03:05.28dudek:S
03:05.54dudekI'm trying to use it under Slackware Linux, but I can't!.. --'
03:06.13Dozzzieinstall ubuntu :)
03:06.17dudekLoooL..
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03:06.30dudekNo, thanks.
03:06.36eliaspDozzzie: Ubuntu sucks hard when it comes to delivering a good KDE configuration....
03:07.19gadesexist a k3b version for kde4?
03:07.55dudekNobody to "help" me?
03:08.06dudekthx.. --'
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03:08.43eliaspgades: yes, but it isn't really 'ready for production' yet... the maintainer (Sebastian Trüg) is busy with his other projects (Nepomuk etc.) and the birth of his daughter...
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03:17.24aibthere is a bug in Okular, documented all over the internet. it defaults to A4 paper, ignores your okular print settings and ignores your cups settings
03:17.35aibhow can I make sure this is an officially reported bug?
03:17.47eliaspaib: check http://bugs.kde.org
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03:18.35aibhttps://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=okular+a4
03:18.38aibZero bugs found
03:19.27dudekI'm trying to create a Dialog with the Kommander. I'm using slackware for this, but when I try to run my script, I got an error, telling me that there is somenthing wrong with '@'s
03:19.29eliaspaib: please use the 'Report New Wish or Bug' link to report this issue
03:20.14dudekSomeone to help me?
03:20.22aibeliasp, why do I feel like this will accomplish nothing?
03:20.36aibeliasp, this bug is widespread and prevalent. there is no way you could be a developer of okular and not be aware of it
03:20.42aibit happens every single time you print a pdf
03:21.12aibhttp://www.google.com/search?q=okular+a4
03:21.17eliaspaib: maybe all okular devs are from the A4 region of this world... so they didn't stumble upon it yet... you could also join #okular and report it directly there...
03:22.17eliaspaib: but they'll surely tell you to please report this bug at bugs.kde.org as they can't keep track of things being told them on IRC... that's what bug.kde.org is for...  but you could file a bug there and the point the devs in #okular to this bugreport... my experiences showed that's the best way of getting the attention of developers
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03:22.37Dozzziehey! do you guys have cp on linux?
03:22.57eliaspDozzzie: cp? just /bin/cp ??
03:23.08Dozzzielike child porn
03:23.12dudekLoL
03:23.16dudekAEhUEaueaUEhuaehuaehuaehaea
03:23.28aibok, thanks eliasp
03:23.38dudekDozzzie: Why do you are asking ...?
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03:23.48dudekAre you a child lover?
03:23.54dudek:@
03:23.54Dozzzieno... just for the lulz :P
03:24.27Dozzziedudek brasil?
03:24.33dudekYeah!, I'm
03:24.36dudekWhy?
03:24.50dudekvc tambem?
03:24.54dudekLoL
03:25.03Dozzzieportugal :p
03:25.20aibbugs.kde.org is broken? it forces you to enter 4 keywords from this list https://bugs.kde.org/describekeywords.cgi
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03:26.02dudekfala fii..
03:26.02dudek:p
03:26.03dudekhehe
03:26.06Dozzziehehe
03:26.09dudekMas aí..
03:26.11Dozzzie44chan?
03:26.16Dozzzie55chan*
03:26.19eliaspaib: uhm, that's bad... worked for me some hours ago just fine... maybe dfaure is doing some maintenance currently... please retry it in some minutes/hours or report it to sysadmin@kde.org
03:26.20dudekLooL..
03:26.27dudekTu curte pedofilia é?
03:26.31Dozzzienao LOL
03:26.33Dozzziecurto ser trol
03:26.34Dozzzietroll
03:26.51Dozzziee faço coisas como falar em portugues num canal ingles
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03:27.04aib"WARNING You have not entered enough keywords to describe this bug. Please enter at least 4 keywords to describe this bug, so we can look if similar bug reports already exist."
03:27.09dudekahh.. hehe
03:27.13aibyou can't make up keywords *sigh*
03:27.15dudekbaSebAehaUeha
03:27.44aibi give up. sudo apt-get install remove kde
03:27.46eliaspaib: that means you should have a more elaborate 'subject' for this bug... it's not about the keywords
03:27.55aiblol
03:28.02Dozzzieeliasp also means YOU SUCK!
03:28.02dudekDozzzie, usa Linux?
03:28.09eliaspjust use more than 4 words for describing the subject of the bug
03:28.17Dozzziedudek tou preparando para instalar
03:28.18eliaspDozzzie: shut up, you're near to being kicked
03:28.28dudekAhh..serio? @@
03:28.30dudekQue distro?
03:28.39dudekeliasp é de SP, Brasil?
03:28.48aibno that wasn't it eliasp
03:28.57aibbut "typo typo typo typo" got me past the 4 keyword requirement.
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03:29.08Dozzzieeliasp push my care button
03:29.15aibi suppose i should file a bug report.
03:29.30Dozzziefile a bug report on eliasp's brain also
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03:32.18dudekO Dozzzie
03:32.23dudekcomo cê descubriu que eu sou brasileiro?
03:32.28dudekAh..
03:32.58aibrofl. so I file the okular bug report. do I get an e-mail letting me know it was successful? no, I get an e-mail that says "Your message to Okular-devel awaits moderator approval"
03:33.07Dozzzie<dudek> AEhUEaueaUEhuaehuaehuaehaea
03:33.40eliaspaib: that's because okular bugs go by default as CC to the okular-devel mailinglist...
03:33.46eliaspaib: everything's fine so far
03:34.04Dozzzieyour head isn't. believe me
03:34.09Dozzzieyou need a shrink
03:35.37dudekkkkk
03:35.38dudek:p
03:35.39dudekaehauheaea
03:35.47dudeksó brasileiro ri assim é?
03:35.49dudekLoL
03:35.51dudekaehuehea.. nao sabia
03:35.52aibeliasp, everything is not ok! due to okular I was forced to install non-free software on my linux box just to print pdfs! gasp! *dies inside*
03:36.09aibalso, quite ironic that the bug system is extremely buggy
03:36.15aibi wonder if that reflects on kde
03:36.17eliaspaib: hehe, ok.. that's true
03:36.55Dozzziesim, dudek
03:36.56Dozzziehehe
03:37.09dudekUia.. ehe.. legla
03:37.15dudeklegal*
03:37.24dudekQtos anos cê tem?
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03:38.56jmonrealcould someone help me compiling konsole?
03:38.58Gumbyhi all.  I am having issues with kmail resolving a domain.  I can ping and telnet to the domain just fine, but kmail can not connect to it.  does anyone know why this might be?
03:39.11Dozzziedudek 19
03:39.18eliaspjmonreal: why do you wanna compile it? isn't your distro providing packages?
03:39.38dudekhm..
03:39.39dudektenho 16
03:39.54jmonrealyes, but i wanna start making some adjustments i would like to have and try them
03:40.00eliaspGumby: if you enabled SSL/TLS in the kmail configuration, the port changes automatically... depending on your used mail protocol
03:40.03jmonrealive downloaded konsole from svn
03:40.54eliaspjmonreal: so take a look at techbase, how to setup a dev environment: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development
03:41.09DozzzieHow can i see cp on KDE?
03:41.17jmonrealeliasp, thanks
03:41.21Gumbyeliasp, the configuration works locally.  Ive just updated my domains external DNS to include the address of the server. Its propogated as ping/telnet works so its not a port issue
03:41.24eliaspjmonreal: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started
03:42.13jmonrealeliasp, ive already been there
03:42.19eliaspjmonreal: ok
03:42.28eliaspjmonreal: so where are you're stuck?
03:42.55Dozzziein the ass
03:43.01jmonreali have the source
03:43.06Gumbyhrm.... actually it might be a dns issue.  one second the address resolves and the next it doesnt.  strange
03:43.17jmonrealeliasp, i wanna know how to compile it
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03:43.47jmonrealeliasp, i did cmake . -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/jmonreal/usr
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03:44.41jmonrealeliasp, and got CMake Error: Error in cmake code at
03:44.41jmonreal/home/jmonreal/svn/konsole/src/CMakeLists.txt:3:
03:44.41jmonrealUnknown CMake command "macro_optional_find_package".
03:44.41jmonreal-- Configuring done
03:45.26eliaspjmonreal: you're probably missing the kde-devel packages of your distribution...
03:45.45jmonreali think i have them
03:46.31jmonrealnop, i didnt install them, sorry
03:46.33jmonrealnow im gonna
03:46.43eliaspjmonreal: sorry, don't know what to do then... Gentoo helps me way too much with this CMake stuff, never had to fiddle with it so far ;-)
03:46.46eliaspjmonreal: ah, ok
03:47.09eliaspjmonreal: ppl in #kde-devel might probably know more....
03:47.29jmonrealeliasp, i had gentoo for 2 weeks, but had to many problems
03:47.45jmonreali installed it on stage 1
03:47.49eliaspjmonreal: i have Gentoo since 8 years - and nothing else... i just love it ;-)
03:47.57eliaspjmonreal: uhm, ok.. you should have used stage 3
03:48.03jmonrealyeah i know
03:48.04eliaspstage 1 is deprecated since several years
03:48.19jmonreali just heard that stage one makes your computer faster
03:48.24jmonrealbut it wasnt that much
03:48.26eliaspjmonreal: nope, it doesn't
03:48.47jmonrealand the other thing i had problems was not knowing much about use flags
03:48.55eliaspjmonreal: the same speedup provided by a stage 1 install is 'emerge -e @system'
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03:49.27jmonrealperhaps ill give it a try again
03:49.42jmonrealif I do, could you help me if i have questions?
03:49.48eliaspjmonreal: yeah, Gentoo is a distribution which takes some time getting used to it... but once you got it how all this stuff works, it provides the IMHO absolutely best linux experience (for advanced users)
03:50.21eliaspjmonreal: sure... as long as i'm around.. just ping me or query me... i'm most of the time on freenode
03:50.30jmonrealok
03:50.32jmonrealthanks
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03:51.31Sho_eliasp: fully agree btw
03:51.40Sho_(on Gentoo)
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03:53.36jmonrealeliasp, so i should download the last version, right?
03:54.05jmonrealeliasp, i mean about gentoo
03:56.13dudekfalow Dozzzie
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03:56.16dudekvo nessa
03:57.34jmonrealwith minimal i get the system installed right?
03:57.39jmonrealsorry
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04:31.41gnuboiAnybody using KDE 4.2 please send me the screenshot of about KDE window
04:31.42gnuboiplease
04:34.03gnuboisend me at linux2.6.27@gmail.com
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04:42.30astrommeIs there any way to get KWin to remember the positions of all of my application windows?
04:42.30astrommeRight now I can set a window-specific setting to remember the position, but that applies the same remembered posisiton to each window instead of remembering individually
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04:54.00gnuboiastromme: are u using KDe 4.2
04:54.16astrommegnuboi: yes
04:54.42gnuboithen please send me the screenshot of About KDE window in linux2.6.27@gmail.com
04:54.45gnuboii really need it
04:54.48gnuboinow i am at cyber
04:54.53gnuboiwhere there is windows
04:55.11astrommesorry, I'm sure you can find one online
04:55.29gnuboii didn;t find
04:55.35gnuboiu can take screenshot and send me
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06:42.33travis_Hello, I am new to KDE and having an issue with font sizes.
06:42.48travis_When I change my resolution my fonts become huge.
06:43.27travis_It's almost like the applications have been scaled to the new resolution instead of being resized.
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06:44.06travis_If anybody could help me, or has any idea what would cause this, your comments are greatly appreciated.
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06:46.55jessiehey.... when trying to set the time autmatically, i get, "cannot contact pool.ntp.org"
06:47.20navetzhey, i cannot change my background image anymore
06:47.22navetzi changed it
06:47.26navetzand nothign happens
06:47.33navetzit still uses the old one
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06:49.38Shaan7jes
06:49.51Shaan7jessie: have you tried another server?
06:50.17jessiei have. Shaan7
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06:51.23Shaan7jessie: well, happened to me once, but the server was the problem, changing it worked for me.
06:51.56jessiewhat server are you using?
06:52.03Shaan7jessie: is the system time too different from what it should be (i.e. what the server would have reported?)
06:52.40Shaan7jessie: im using the asia one
06:54.39jessiehmmm.. i don't think so3
06:54.41jessie*.
06:55.17Shaan7jessie: ok, asked because if the system time varies too much with the server, ntp fails to sync
06:55.39Shaan7jessie: have you tried to ping pool.ntp.org ?
06:55.57jessiehmmmm.... i dunno. but i'm too tired to mess right now.
06:56.39jessiepings fine
06:56.55Shaan7jessie: k, but you can try ping pool.ntp.org
06:57.31jessieit works fine.
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06:59.54jessiecommand line? lol
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07:28.35DumbleHello world !
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08:13.40Simon_and hello Dumble
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08:33.57chilkewaris thre any Linux user free to talk
08:34.15Simon_me
08:34.18chilkewari want some idea about virtualization
08:36.01chilkewari need some help
08:36.19chilkewarvitualisation in Linux
08:37.07chilkewari want to download virtual machine to be installed on Fedora 10
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08:42.28schmidtsmikeyhello
08:43.12Scorcererchilkewar: try virtualbox, it's nice and simple
08:43.44schmidtsmikeyi installed KDE 4.2. Now Krusader asks me every time for the programm to open the file
08:43.53schmidtsmikeyit does not save the configuration
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08:46.06schmidtsmikeyIt doesn't matter to click on "Remember File Association for this type"
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08:50.12QWonderi just installed kubuntu to check out kde, apparently that was a bad idea
08:50.22QWondernot because i'm having problems, that would be fine
08:50.38QWonderexcept that the only people in #kubuntu willing to help me don't know how
08:51.24QWonderi'm thinking about trying out opensuse
08:51.29QWonderany suggestions?
08:51.53QWonderhah
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09:13.20MoultQWonder: gentoo. :D
09:16.51gh7d395pi69wdgentoo is easy to use even if for a beginner
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09:17.16gh7d395pi69wdas long as you follow the guide for installing
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09:20.16siymansry guys, I've little questions about the knetworkmanager
09:20.30siymanmay anyone help me pls?
09:22.04Duesentrieb_siyman: i'm pretty clueless myself, but actually *asking* the question generally helps in getting an answer.
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09:22.14siymandanke dir
09:22.22Duesentrieb_(also, note that it's in the middle of the night in the US)
09:23.09siymanwell, it's not very disgusting but the the knetworkmanager doesn't start automatically (KDE 4.2) and even has no pixmap
09:23.45siymanI put it inside the controlcenter autostart but I think it should start on it's own, shouldn't it?
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09:36.20XBOCT-XBOCTHow can I add an app to menu from the CLI ?
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09:37.27drantinplace the appropriate .desktop file in /usr/share/applications?
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09:41.26XBOCT-XBOCTdrantin, thanks, but where can I read how to create .desctop? Our dear google omits the point and shows nothing....
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09:45.27AidesXBOCT-XBOCT: just read any other desktop file and create similar, the syntax is pretty straightforward
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09:54.22XBOCT-XBOCTAides, I still can't guess all the options I need. I want to create an installation script for the app in form of SWF file.
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09:54.31XBOCT-XBOCTI need to open it in firefox
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09:55.45damadahi, I am looking for the function to have the panel always stretch to 100% of the screen width (or height)... Currently, after logging in to a machine with a smaller monitor, the panel is shrunk to the smaller size and I have to manually enlarge it again => very annoying
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09:57.09Moulthey guys, can i get koffice on 4.2? i think i heard some bugs or something about it that said it was borked?
09:57.11FilipeMaiaDoes anyone know why xmgrace crashes on KDE4.2?
09:57.28FilipeMaia(I mean it doesn't even start)
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09:58.26XBOCT-XBOCTdamada, try setting it to 99% width. This workaround helps me in case of VirtualBox resizing
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09:59.29damadaXBOCT-XBOCT: how can I use numbers at all in KDE4? There are only those handles...
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10:06.19XBOCT-XBOCTdamada, you had to mention your version. Never saw 4  yet
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10:06.53damadaXBOCT-XBOCT: true, I thought most question coming up here are KDE4-related already
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10:07.31damadain KDE3, panel resizing to 100% worked flawless for me
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10:08.38Moulti am finding that panel resizing in 4.2 seems to crash my X and lag it to an unsuable state, i haven't tried debugging it yet though
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10:25.55Rasianyone else has the problem that firefox is quite slow in kde4?
10:26.00Rasiits MUCH faster in gnome...
10:26.14Rasiwhile the rest of kde is quite the opposite
10:26.15siymansry, not for me, its actually the same
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10:26.41Rasialone the startup is at least 2-3x as long as in a gnome session
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10:28.53sandsmarkRasi: it's probably starting up half of Gnome
10:29.17Rasihmm
10:29.23Rasiit doesnt have any gnome deps, so i doubt it
10:29.49Rasiits about time opera releases a 64bit qt4 build :/
10:30.28Rasior some of the webkit browser actually render with speed
10:30.48Rasifor some reason arora/rekonq/konqueror are the slowest browsers on my system
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10:47.24nondysjunctionhello
10:48.01nondysjunctionhttp://pastebin.ca/1344835 <--- kate-4.2.0 build log under gentoo, build fails, perhaps one of you brilliant #kde folks can shed some light on this? :)
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10:49.41pinotreenondysjunction: we don't support this kind of split building gentoo insanely does; please ask in #gentoo-kde
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10:51.14nondysjunctionpinotree: fair. Can you explain to me why it's insane? (Not being confrontational, legitimately curious! :) )
10:51.38MaNImore work to maintain
10:52.16pinotreenondysjunction: because often kde modules need stuff coming from other subdirectories
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10:54.08pozicHow do I get into the control center? What's the name of the binary?
10:54.31sandsmarkin kde4 it's systemsettings, in kde3 it's kcontrol
10:55.13pozicsandsmark: that only gives me a search box and when I type in proxy nothing gets returned.
10:55.27pozicsandsmark: (kde4)
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10:56.54pozicsystemsettings(7591) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "findServiceByDesktopPath:  not found"
10:56.58pozicsystemsettings(7591) MainWindow::readMenu: "" Looking for children in ' "" '
10:57.27pozicThat's what I get on the terminal, and I get the search field as mentioned above. \
10:57.43pozicI just want to change the proxy settings for kopete.
10:58.19pozicWhat's the point of releasing anything that is completely broken?
10:58.29pinotree... for you
10:58.42pinotreetry running as user: kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental
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11:01.00pozicpinotree: it is broken if a user needs to perform this command. Now, I did get some useful output.
11:01.14pinotreepozic: not at all
11:01.52pozicpinotree: and since I didn't change anything, there are others with the same issue.
11:02.09pinotreedon't assume your problems are everyone's problems
11:02.32pozicpinotree: computers are designed to perform the same instructions every single time.
11:02.56pozicpinotree: by that rule, and since I didn't change anything, I am right by construction. Sorry.
11:03.28pinotreepozic: there are different things between your computer and other's computers
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11:03.44pinotreedifference system libraries, different local configurations, different distributions
11:03.57pozicpinotree: if an application behaves differently, the application is broken.
11:04.05pozic"platform independence"
11:04.26pinotreeapplication can broke because other stuff breaks it
11:04.34pozicIf you cannot support multiple platforms, just support one configuration.
11:04.46nanothiefpozic, what platform are you using?
11:04.55siymanoO pozic, are you little crazy?
11:04.56pozicnanothief: the problem has already been solved.
11:04.58pinotreeand sometimes this is not something that can be fixed from the application POV
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11:06.10pozicMore errors "Could not parse the XML file". Really interesting.
11:06.50pozicI think all of these problems is why I use Gnome.
11:07.23pinotreeprobably not
11:07.44nanothiefwell it sounds like you have some corrupted config files. Did you do an upgrade from kde3? Or is this a clean install?
11:08.10ayqHello.  Got a problem with KDE 4.2 - when I alt-tab (or meta-tab), it doesn't switch to the window I want when I let go of alt.  I have to press a key again for it to switch to the desired window.  How do I make it switch instantly to the window that I select when I let go of the keys?
11:08.46pozicnanothief: the notion of corrupted config files is absurd to begin with. If it is "corrupt", the application should say "expected this and that here, but found this and that".
11:08.57pozicnanothief: anything else is a hack and stupid.
11:09.27MaNIpozic, why don't you fix it yourself if it is that simple and all the other software authors in the world are seemingly stupid?
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11:10.57nanothiefpozic, that would take a huge amount of work to do (as error parsing like that is difficult), and most users wouldn't benefit from it anyway. I'm just trying to figure out how it got like this in the first place.
11:11.08pozicMaNI: 1) I write far more interesting software 2) not all are stupid
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11:13.30Ace2017_-is it just me or is konsole VERY slow to resize?
11:13.35Ace2017_-other apps are much faster
11:13.43MaNInow slow for me
11:14.10nanothiefAce2017_-, is this 4.2? Because it is very fast for me (actually faster than 3.5 somehow)
11:14.14Ace2017_-yes
11:14.22Ace2017_-nanothief: whats your setup?
11:15.04nanothiefarchlinux, 256MB nvidia graphics card, 2GB ram, 2.1GH dual core
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11:15.23Ace2017_-found the problem
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11:15.45Ace2017_-if konsole is started with effects enabled its VERY slow to resize, otherwise its just as fast as other apps
11:15.47ayqHello - I got disconnected there.  If anyone replied to my question, could you please repeat it?
11:16.25siymansry, but no one replied to your question
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11:17.38Ace2017_-ayq: so hold down alt, hold down tab, release alt, release tab, doesn't make you switch the next app?
11:17.44pozicAh, great, the sole reason for installing kde, configuring the proxy, was useless, because kopete doesn't support the "HTTP method".
11:18.11Ace2017_-ayq: or so hold down alt, hold down tab, release tab, release alt
11:18.33pozicDid I mention that I love KDE already? No? Oh, then it's ok.
11:19.44ayqok - I hold down alt, then press and release tab.  The window switcher appears.  I press and release tab once more, it highlights the next window.  I then let go of alt - the window switcher does not disappear.  I have to press-and-release (e.g.) tab again to make that window active.
11:21.17nanothiefayq: try disabling desktop effects to see if that is causing it
11:21.26ayqtried that already.  Same effect.
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11:23.58Ace2017_-ayq: have you tried dante or transconnect with kopete?
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11:24.33ayqAce2017_: sorry, wrong person :-)
11:24.33Ace2017_-thats for the person who wanted to use a proxy with kopete
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11:59.35Mirrapling plong
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12:00.14MirraSeeing as more and more apps are using/offering mysql, wouldn't it be a reasonable idea to give KDE an own server instance all those apps could use?
12:00.24Mirra(nepomuk, akonadi, amarok... )
12:00.53Mirraat least the first two bring their own stand-alone servers, I think it could be better to combine them?!
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12:03.44rdalei think we want to use open link virtuoso as a common db
12:03.58ayqmy problem with alt-tabbing is probably rare, since nobody seems to have heard of it before - would that be an accurate assumption?
12:06.50MoDaXrdale: are you kidding?
12:07.08rdaleno
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12:09.18StR|Sangrealpls how can i delete configs for command launch window in kde?
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12:11.17MoDaXrdale: that stuff is barely tested
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12:12.08rdaleit has the best rdf support, and plenty of commercial users as far as i know
12:12.45MoDaXrdale: opensource and commercial editions are not the same afaik
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12:14.05MoDaXand rdf is not really a DB for typical DB usage, is it?
12:14.46rdalefrom the faq, the only difference is " The Open Source Edition doesn't include the Virtual Database Engine and Data Replication Functionality of the Commercial Edition"
12:15.10rdalethe kde semantic desktop isn't a typical db usage though
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12:15.46MoDaXrdale: yeah, but what about akonadi & amarok?
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12:16.23MoDaXit might be good for nepomuk but not "a common db"
12:17.42sandsmarknepomuk supports pluggable databases, does it not?
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12:27.26rdaleMoDaX: see ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAQEAwX3+/qrNjgmYSWT/J+AgAORWzTdKcXKqqd3ff2X7vrIb/sqnQdJAw6OtQCgOtWqx/SOE2aoYaySKsF70D8FmbAdIFAtkNMwpd8/88H/gCMuAEhfQqncA/B9ZqFFGxLYo0jlJtb6G7lBeSHckc87wJJGyRBT1CH8aFL4qfVs6HIF/kdNdd6uvSsKt+l/XjPxHEcpTDf47Y/iNC7jIGOZz3+L2NWtCDtRJmNvQiSOM0kdes7JdFArtwxgURyDHNJGA0ykgGZwFNyeSR5uw7Ff0fdIP3VpWEs+R/S+Mg9BzOQ96bvzN4Hhl0+aYAgdRONgDRfxtZNaii/Ju2QLvXYAfzw== rdale@baldhead
12:27.35rdaleoops
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12:27.58rdalei meant this link: http://trueg.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/akonepomuk-neponadi-friendly-takeover-or-real-love-marriage/
12:29.21MoDaXrdale: and the performance is what I care about the most
12:29.58rdalei've no reason to believe it won't work with amarok etc
12:30.42MoDaXI have not seen virtuoso in action yet and I'm not convinced about its bloatness and such. but probably can't be worse than java sesame2
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12:38.03chickamadehello, is there a way to force plasma to remember its configuration in KDE4? kquitapp and logging out doesn't cut it :(
12:40.11yaayaaI usually log out, and log in again, it does the trick for me
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12:40.35yaayaaotherwise, you can try: dbus-send --dest=org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer org.kde.KSMServerInterface.saveCurrentSession
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12:43.12damadait's seriously annoying that it doesn't save that right away :(
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12:43.50GhabitI have no login|logout sounds and have not popups from kopete|quassel. Have anybody same problem?
12:44.07kohwjGhabit: Settings -> Notifications
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12:44.50chickamadedbus save session produces no diff
12:45.08chickamademah... I'm gonna try to edit the conf files
12:45.21Duesentrieb_on a related note: konversation doesn't come back up when restoring the session. any idea why?
12:45.34Ghabitkohwj: There is all ok, at least quassel, I have not kopete there.
12:45.54kohwjok..
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12:50.05haegerhello... i try to use dekorator under kde 4.2 and ubuntu 8.10. it is installed correctly but i can find it in the systemsettings... can somebody help me please?
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12:52.20chilkewari want oracle vm
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13:06.52chilkewari want oracle vm
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13:07.18sandsmarkyou no can has
13:07.21sandsmarkpinotree: ↑ ?
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13:19.35pinotreekick chilkewar no spam, thanks
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13:25.57pinotreesandsmark: sigh, i cannot even get some lunch, that a bored guy starts spamming
13:27.08sandsmarkpinotree: heh :)
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13:41.43|iomari|seems like bluetooth and sdp protcols do not work in konqueror 4. Is there a fix or am I doing somethig wrong? It works fine in kde3.
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13:43.12kohwj|iomari|: same here
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13:43.36|iomari|kohwj: have you found a solution yet?
13:43.50kohwj|iomari|: nope... probably a konqueror thing
13:44.46|iomari|kohwj: dammit. it works in gnome but I hate gnome.
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13:48.53Franticcan anyone tell me why sometimes copy fails in kde 4.2? (this is my first kde version)
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13:49.24Franticeg I will sometimes select something, CTRL+C then when I do a paste it's the previous thing
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13:50.09Franticthis also happens with cut, I do a C-x, the selected text vanishes, then a C-v again causes another thing to be pasted
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14:17.51|iomari|kohwj: In case you are interested, I found a way to use midnight command to do bluetooth file management on my phone.
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14:23.55DeltaS4hey
14:24.14DeltaS4is there any way to remove the frames/borders from kopete's windows?
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14:24.28ewoernerwtf: http://eckhart-woerner.de/~eckhart/krunner.png
14:26.53DeltaS4and how do I set konqueror not to ask me anything when I click on a download link? I want it to automatically save the file on the desktop
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14:30.12charonewoerner: same thing that happens when you compute, in 2-digit decimal floating point, 1/3 = 0.33 and then 3*0.33 = 0.99
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14:34.15x_linkHi!
14:34.24x_linkI just have a question, nut must show a picture.
14:35.14nanothiefcharon, ewoerner: its still a problem though, that app shouldn't be using doubles for calculating numbers
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14:36.53x_linkHi!http://www.speedyshare.com/556314142.html
14:36.57x_linkOps
14:37.00x_linkhttp://www.speedyshare.com/556314142.html
14:37.09x_linkCan somebody please take a look at those 2 pics?
14:37.31x_linkThe icon-text on the desktop-icon, the letters is not supposed to be like that.
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14:37.50x_linkWhen I highlight the icon the text gets right.
14:37.56x_linkI don't know how to change that.
14:38.20x_linkThe letters are black in the middle and white on the sides. I don't want that.
14:38.28x_linkDoes anybody know why it's like this or how I can change it?
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14:39.36pinotreeit is called "shadow", right click on the desktop → configure desktop → advanced options
14:41.25x_linkpinotree: Okey, I will see.
14:42.21x_linkpinotree: Ahh right, I changed that the other day but I didn't notice any changes then =)
14:42.24x_linkHehe
14:42.25x_linkpinotree: Thanks alot man!
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14:52.21rohani am using kde3, and i want to export my current color scheme so that i can use it elsewhere. how do i do that?
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14:53.26Franticgoto -30
14:53.28Franticgoto -30
14:53.30Franticgoto -30
14:53.34Franticsry xD
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14:53.44x_linkrohan: Elsewhere? On another computer?
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14:54.34rohanx_link: yes
14:56.02x_linkrohan: I guess you downloaded the color scheme yourself?
14:57.07rohanx_link: no actually it was the kubuntu default color scheme, i found it :)
14:58.10x_linkAhh okey.
14:58.13x_linkHumm
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15:28.48gujaHow to change QT4 style?
15:29.26boom1992Qt ;) via qtconfig...
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15:30.30gujaI need to restart X to apply the changes?
15:30.43charonnanothief: what would it use instead?
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15:31.18shadycyborgany idea when KDE 4.3 will be out,an ETA perhaps??
15:31.34kdepeposhadycyborg, late summer
15:31.44shadycyborg:(
15:32.04shadycyborghow late??
15:32.29rdietershadycyborg: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Release_Schedule
15:32.29shadycyborgJune??
15:32.40shadycyborgoh thanks
15:32.40MaNIshadycyborg: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Release_Schedule
15:32.45shadycyborg:)
15:32.46MaNIerk
15:32.49MaNInervermind
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15:34.13shadycyborgand what about new features??
15:34.20shadycyborgKDE 4.4 i guess??
15:34.25loupkonqueror(kde3) shows small preview pictures for each image i have
15:34.28kdepeposhadycyborg, which do you miss?
15:34.35loupcan i change the size of the preview pictures?
15:34.44shadycyborg??
15:34.48nanothiefcharon, there are heaps of decimal classes around, which remove floating point errors. They store numbers by storing numbers as an integer, and divide the number by an divisor. Eg 1.45 could be stored 14500 / 10000
15:34.50shadycyborgwhat did i miss??
15:34.55kdepeposhadycyborg, which feature
15:35.20shadycyborgah,no i was just asking if any new features are being added??
15:35.35shadycyborgi started using Kubuntu only a month earlier
15:35.44kdepeposhadycyborg, sure, every update has new features.
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15:36.07arjantopshadycyborg: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Feature_Plan
15:36.08charonnanothief: so that shifts the problem from numbers not representable in base 2 to numbers not representable in base 10. big win. *shrug*
15:36.08MaNIshadycyborg: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Feature_Plan is a rough outline
15:36.14arjantop=)
15:36.29MaNII should stop pasting links they keep being duplicates
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15:36.40shadycyborgrough is fine
15:36.55shadycyborgMaNI: Lag i think
15:37.05MaNIprobably
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15:37.53shadycyborgsomething to find nearby wireless networks would be great
15:38.06shadycyborgi have a network catcher button lying unused
15:38.36nanothiefcharon: its a big win since we are used to dealing with decimal errors (eg typing 1 / 3 in a calc), but not binary ones (like 0.1 * 10 /= 1). This is the way all household calculators work.
15:38.45loupany idea??
15:39.05shadycyborgoh and VOIP for Kopete,etc with gmail
15:39.26nanothiefalso, as 2 is a factor of 10, any fraction with a finite decimal expansion in base 2 will also have one in base 10
15:39.42shadycyborgrdieter:
15:39.48shadycyborgoops
15:39.48kdepepoloup, you should have zoom +/- toolbar buttons
15:39.59shadycyborgrdieter: something to find nearby wireless networks would be great
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15:41.16shadycyborgrdieter: any idea??
15:42.03rdietershadycyborg: there's a networkmanagement plasma applet on the way...
15:42.16shadycyborgyayy
15:42.27shadycyborgeagerly awaits
15:42.43shadycyborgwhathis btwts
15:42.45shadycyborgTelepathy-specification compliant Account Manager using KWallet to store account data
15:42.52shadycyborg*whats this btw
15:43.02shadycyborgTelepathy lol
15:43.16rdietershadycyborg: for example, http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3873
15:44.44shadycyborghow about
15:44.47shadycyborgkwifi
15:44.51shadycyborgor kwired
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15:46.06shadycyborgkonnect yess
15:46.30shadycyborgrdieter: konnect would be cool
15:47.01rdieterblog is old, networkmangement has pretty much already been chosen, if I recall
15:47.22shadycyborg:(
15:47.30loupkdepepo: no (i use kde3)
15:48.02kdepepoloup, me too :)
15:48.03rdietershadycyborg: though I'm not the one making any decsions here either.
15:48.15shadycyborghehe,np
15:48.40shadycyborgBTW any idea whether theyll add transperency like vista??
15:48.41kdepepoloup, maybe your configuration is different, try customizing toolbars, and add the zoom +/- actions if they are not there.
15:48.49shadycyborgbut lighter
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15:50.39kdepepoloup, there is also an option in konqueror settings to make thumbnails scale with icon sizes "previews and metadata" page.
15:51.07shadycyborganyways im out
15:51.09shadycyborgbye all
15:51.17shadycyborgnice talking
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15:55.26comawhiteanyone know of a system wide settings to make apps not group?
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15:56.09loupkdepepo: ok
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15:59.06thorgthello everybody, I get a black screen with a cursor after log in (KDE trunk). what could that be?
15:59.28thorgtactually I found out that there's no plasma running and no krunner
15:59.40thorgtbut why could that happen?
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16:05.28loupi see most distributions which will appear in april will have kde 4.2
16:05.35loupwill it have qt4.4 or 4.5?
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16:07.41thorgtor is there any way to start plasma from another virtual console?
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16:15.06l3uHi :-) I would like to use KDE4's network monitor plasmoid but it does not show any devices (although eth0 is configured and working). What can I do?
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16:17.02gkiagiathorgt: DISPLAY=:0 plasma-desktop
16:18.06gkiagiathorgt: are you sure plasma is installed ok?
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16:22.49thorgtgkiagia: well it's compiled from trunk
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16:29.04hobanis there a kde equivalent for nautilus-open-terminal to open konsole by right-clicking on the desktop and choosing "open terminal"?
16:29.29sandsmarkhoban: press F4 ?
16:30.11sandsmarkhoban: or right click  â†’ actions → open terminal here ?
16:30.15pinotree(or Tools → Open terminal)
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16:30.25sandsmarkah, on the desktop :3
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16:30.31hobansandsmark, right :)
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16:30.54sandsmarkjust drag the konsole icon from the menu to the desktop ?
16:31.00sandsmarkyou don't get a right click menu, though :p
16:31.21hobanActually, I know that one exists, I saw it working on opensuse 11's rendition of kde4
16:31.27hobanI just don't know what it's called
16:31.51sandsmarkit's a patch to plasma, I think
16:32.22hobanlame, if so
16:32.28sandsmarkwe had it in KDEmod on ArchLinux too, but we removed it once stuff got stable (it was mostly so you could launch a terminal no matter what ) :)
16:32.41sandsmarkwhy is it lame ?
16:33.14hobanpulling in a patch to get it seems extreme. there should just be a package that provides that functionality.
16:33.21hobana la nautilus-open-terminal
16:33.29sandsmarkwhy ?
16:33.36hobanit should be installable upon request. not requiring a patch
16:33.57sandsmarkto change the menu of an installed application, you most probably need to change that application
16:34.05sandsmarkwhy do you need it in the right-click menu ?
16:34.55hobanI hop on a box and have the habit of right-click -->open terminal. I get annoyed when I don't see it so I pacman -Sy plasma-open-terminal (for example) and poof, I can now feed my right-clicking addiction
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16:35.15sandsmark:P
16:35.35hobanit's just awful convenient, and yes, I know I could just set up a keyboard shortcut, but those seem to break between package upgrades and I don't like relying on them
16:36.06hobanmy volume keys & amarok shortcuts don't work :( no matter what I set them to actually...a bit strange
16:36.36nanothiefhoban: for an alternative you might like try yakuake. Also, if you use xbindkeys, your shortcuts shouldn't ever break - even between de's :)
16:36.38hobanhowever key bindings to switch between desktops work great :)
16:37.21sandsmarkhoban: why not just have a huge icon to launch the terminal in the middle of the desktop ?
16:37.25hobannanothief, thanks for the suggestions
16:37.27sandsmarkthen you don't have to right click, even :P
16:37.31hobansandsmark, because I don't like desktop icons
16:37.36sandsmark:3
16:38.25hobannanothief, what do you like about yakuake over konsole?
16:38.53hobansandsmark, FTR I love kdemod :P
16:38.55sandsmarkalways available
16:38.58sandsmark;P
16:39.24nanothiefhoban: its a terminal that drops down from the top of the screen (like quakes one I think), always there, and accessible with a keyboard shortcut
16:39.41nanothiefthe actual terminal is identical to konsole
16:39.44hobannanothief, sounds intriguing
16:39.50hobanI'll get it installed
16:39.53hobanthanks
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17:05.07mini-manis it possible to disable knotify4 altogether?
17:05.47mini-mane.g., the kde3 style popups if I'm using an alternate tray like stalonetray..
17:06.11mini-manfor *all* applications, not just going manually for each one and disabling the popup
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17:08.29sandsmarkI have kde3 style popups everywhere
17:08.41sandsmarkbut I think you have to edit a configuration file if your distro didn't backport the gui for it
17:09.53sandsmark[AppletGlobals][plasma_applet_systemtray]
17:09.58sandsmarkShowNotifications=false
17:10.20sandsmarkin your ~/.kde[4]/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
17:10.55mini-manmini-man | e.g., the kde3 style popups if I'm using an alternate tray like stalonetray..
17:11.12mini-mannot using the systemtray plasmoid
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17:12.35mini-mankilling knotify4 doesn't work, it always starts up again.. not sure where knotify4 is being started from
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17:14.56hobannanothief, is yakuake slow opening for you?
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17:15.17nanothiefhoban, not at all
17:15.21hobannanothief: the animation speed I mean. doesn't matter what I set the speed to, I get lag when it scrolls down
17:15.28hobanwith desktop animations turned on
17:16.22nanothiefwell it is a little jerky when it scrolls down, but it is bairly noticible for me
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17:17.50hobannanothief, ~110ms speed makes it work ok. nevermind
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17:19.05faffihi guys, im setting all my fonts smaller, but for some reason programs like iceweasel and pidgin refuse to take heed to the new sizes, my buddylist font is the same size and so are things like my bookmarks in iceweasel
17:19.34hobanfaffi: those are GTK apps
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17:19.56faffihow would i change the default font sizes for those then?
17:20.04hobanfaffi: check out gtk-qt-engine
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17:28.15panesar_sandeepwhere can i get info regarding KDE SDK headers and functions and their uses?
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17:28.52Shaan7panesar_sandeep: http://api.kde.org
17:29.24panesar_sandeep<shaan7>thnx
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17:30.06Shaan7panesar_sandeep: no problemo :)
17:30.17faffihoban: that sorta worked, my tabs in iceweasel had their theme changed and now my pidgin buddy list has the right size but every other name has a different background color
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17:30.57faffihoban: i had it checked to use fonts and styles from KD
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17:32.27ahmadrazzaghiwhy i have troublem with add a app icon from kmenu to my desktop?? with do this my desktop will bi crash and hanging and i have no choice just reset! ???
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17:32.50AliTarihiHi, I get "Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values." when I enable KDE4.2. About less than an hour everything was right!
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17:34.19Shaan7faffi: this might help http://kavoor.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/howto-make-gtk-applications-look-sleek-on-kde4-qtcurve/
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17:38.09Half-LeftOr just get the GTK oxygen theme :p
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17:40.42hobanfaffi, yeah, the alternating background color of buddies in pidgin is a feature
17:40.55hobanlooks nicer than the default way it looks
17:40.58hobandoes it bother you?
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17:45.16hobancan someone tell me how to make global shortcuts work? I'm able to set them, but they aren't honored. Specifically, my volup/voldown/mute & amarok start/stop/play/pause don't work once set manually (or if left at stock configuration). My keyboard layout has been set to IBM ThinkPad R60/T60/R61/T61. I have aT61
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17:56.16k1lumin4t1anybody using kde 4.2?
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17:56.41Half-LeftAlot of us I suspect
17:57.08Shaan7Yeah :)
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17:57.33Half-LeftAnd if your not, you should :p
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17:58.15faffihoban: that was awesome, so i installed gtk-qt4-engine, and the engine wouldnt let me choose anything besides it using the kde themes which screwed up my tabs and the theme in firefox and then made pidgin look funky. after restarting x 10 times trying to fix it i removed it, my apps kept the font setting i wanted without the chage in theme :D
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17:59.28Shaan7faffi: now thats called a work-around ;)
17:59.33faffiindeed
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18:00.30hobanfaffi, nice work! :)
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18:19.51nondysjunctionHello
18:20.00nondysjunctionAll my gtk fonts are insanely small under KDE4, help!
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18:21.42AliTarihiHi. When I play any sound on my KDE 4.2 crashes.
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18:29.19chilkewarany indian
18:29.37chilkewar???????????????????????????????????????
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18:30.39Shaan7chilkewar: why? what happened?
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18:31.02chilkewaroracle vm
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18:44.42AliTarihiHi! I can not play sound in my KDE 4.2 any KDE app (e.g. Amarok) crash! but VLC works and I have sound. Any idea?
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18:55.46mini-manis it possible to show icons of CDs, USB sticks, on the folder view?
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18:56.55J_A_Xhey guys, i think I might have deleted the package that does the application run command (alt+f2)
18:56.59J_A_Xwhat's the name of that package?
18:57.50junkDawgiethink it's in the plasma-addons package, J_A_X
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18:59.25J_A_Xawesome
19:00.37pinotreeno, it is called krunner and it is part of kdebase
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19:14.07jon82is it possible to install kde on windows?
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19:17.29looongerjon82, there's a kde for win but i don't know how it works
19:17.57jon82ok
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19:18.01jon82thanx anyway
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19:40.06GNU\colossusis there a KDE program that can handle metalink files?
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19:51.08SgwI've been trying to get wireless working on my laptop, got to the point where I had to use a Live CD to chroot and delete all my modifications so I could boot >.<  I use wired at home, need 1 connection to my school's wireless which has no pass key even, it uses VPN once I can get connected.  I'm using Debian 5.0 with KDE 3.5.10 :
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19:51.43SgwWhat specific topic should I be researching, alot of guides I've found are telling me how to do static IP's and encryption extras
19:53.04Sgwanyone know of a good post/site I should look at for my simple set-up
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19:54.37sputnickhi there
19:54.41SgwI can see wireless networks, but not connect, like working but not enabled. Any ideas appreciated thx
19:54.52osFrenchDudeHi, in kde we have an autostart folder...is there some kind of autostop ?
19:55.25sputnickis someone can reproduce this very strange begaviour ?
19:55.27sputnick$ LANG=C ls $HOME/kdebase/apps/kappfinder/apps/Games/Emulators/.svn/dir-prop-base
19:55.28sputnickls: cannot access /home/sputnick/kdebase/apps/kappfinder/apps/Games/Emulators/.svn/dir-prop-base: Stale NFS file handl
19:56.45sputnickthat's crash my backups :/
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19:58.32BubbaTWhat is tyhe little panel on the right called?
20:00.07J_A_Xokay, I'm getting several very annoying problems
20:00.14J_A_Xfor one, alt+f2 doesn't work
20:00.24J_A_Xtried to install everything I could think of with no luck
20:00.43J_A_Xalso, for some reason, when I press 'm' everything minimizes, annoying as all hell
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20:13.43nanothiefJ_A_X, have tried running the krunner program manually?
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20:17.49KiberlynxHi, I've installed a few programs with wine in a user, now I want to move those programs to another users wine, which is no problem, except for the kickoff icons which I don't know how to copy, how do I do it?
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20:18.11KiberlynxI'm talking about an kubuntu box
20:18.34wonderhi
20:19.09Kiberlynxwhere's the menu xml stored?
20:19.58wonderthere is an option where can i change the behavior of opening files over smb? now if i open a file it will copy that to /tmp and then will be opened? is not very good if i open a movie
20:20.20wonderi use dolphin
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20:23.03Kiberlynxuse a streaming player
20:23.22Kiberlynxthe problem is with the players behaviour imho
20:23.43wonderKiberlynx, i use smplayer but i don't think that is the case
20:23.51KiberlynxI do
20:23.58Kiberlynxi use several players
20:24.03wonderevery application have the same behavior
20:24.12wonderdocs,audio,video
20:24.17Kiberlynxand mplayer/smplayer and others have that behavour
20:24.35Kiberlynxkmplayer for example doesn't
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20:25.20Kiberlynxfrom as far as my experience goes
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20:26.19wonderkmplayer is only a frontend to mplayer
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20:26.43wondermaybe the way of opening the file is different
20:26.52wondernot mplayer %F or %U
20:26.56wonderi need to look
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20:28.51Kiberlynxnot just
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20:44.40glade88'ellow! I am trying to use a network proxy setting with systemsettings -> Network Settings. Although it works fine with konqui, konsole and CLI apps dont seem to use it.
20:44.59glade88any way that I can make console (or bzr, ftw) to use the proxy gateway?
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20:47.36glade88(I am on Kubuntu 8.10, KDE 4.2)
20:47.37thiago_homeno
20:47.43thiago_homenot with KDE settings
20:47.54thiago_homeyou'd be lucky if other KDE applications used those settings, but they don't
20:48.02thiago_homethose settings apply only to http and https transfers
20:48.28buntfalkeis kmail improved when it comes to gpg from 3.5.10 to 4.2?
20:48.37buntfalkeWould be another thing for me to look forward to.
20:48.52thiago_homebuntfalke: there's some usability improvements
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20:49.01glade88thiago_home: thanks. I guess I'll have to wait till tomorrow to commit my work :(
20:49.04thiago_homebut besides that, everything continues working exactly as before
20:49.51buntfalkeWell. I hoped for functional improvements. Hm, too bad. Well...i'll continue working around it then...
20:49.58buntfalkethanks thiago_home
20:50.40thiago_homeworking around what?
20:50.57glade88thiago_home: how is it the case that gnome-terminal on my roomate's laptop recognizes the global proxy settings?
20:51.10thiago_homeglade88: there are no global proxy settings.
20:51.16buntfalkekmail refusing to use public keys sometimes, and not having a gui-way to import them.
20:51.28glade88thiago_home: In gnome: system -> preferences -> network proxy
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20:51.40thiago_homeglade88: so, like I said, there are no *global* proxy settings
20:51.46thiago_homeglade88: those aren't global
20:52.01glade88nevermind, all GTK apps still use it, right?
20:52.12thiago_homebuntfalke: the GUI to import is kgpg
20:52.16buntfalkethere is this window which lists all keys in the keyring. those with a private key have a green, others a red mark. there i cannot select certain keys although they are perfectly fine for whatever reason sometimes.
20:52.32thiago_homebuntfalke: and I haven't tried recently sending an email to someone who I didn't trust (that's what kmail didn't support before)
20:52.40thiago_homeglade88: I have no clue. I don't use GTK apps.
20:52.40buntfalkethiago_home: thanks, i'll try that
20:53.14glade88thiago_home: me neither :) and seriously, I'd any time wait till tomorrow rather than installing gtk apps. thanks anyway
20:53.15buntfalkethiago_home: i imported the key with --trust-model always on the terminal. kmail still doesnt like it.
20:53.37thiago_homejust doesn't have enough incentive to make proxies work
20:53.49thiago_homeI've been on and off trying to do that for 6 years now
20:55.19glade88thiago_home: me neither :) and seriously, I'd any time wait till tomorrow rather than installing gtk apps. thanks anyway
20:55.19glade88I have no choice.. and guess what, the proxy I need to use is 127.0.0.1:8080
20:55.19glade88is using tunnelling
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20:57.28GhabitHello. Explain me please - what actually akonadi does?
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20:58.26thiago_homeakonadi is the new low-level PIM framework
20:58.48Archeronhello folks
20:58.49thiago_homeit is meant as a centraliser and for the many different local and remote storages
20:59.13thiago_homeso, if you have an IMAP server, an Exchange server, or a POP3 server, it would handle the protocol differences for you
20:59.20thiago_homesame thing for calendaring and address book
20:59.42Archeronkde4.2/FC10 - Anyone having issues where the window manager seems to stop responding to the mouse for an some period of time?
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21:00.08wonderakonadi will have support for google calendar?
21:00.13wonderi miss that
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21:00.25Ghabitthiago_home: Thank you a lot.
21:00.29Archeronmy mouse moves, but clicking on things does nothing.  I am stuck using alt-tab right now to change windows.
21:00.32thiago_homewonder: if someone writes the code, it will
21:00.43thiago_homewonder: there's nothing preventing it from having that
21:00.49wondertrue
21:01.00GhabitDoes anybody have troubles with sound and popup notifications? I have no them.
21:01.25wonderi was asking because i don't follow kde development
21:01.44thiago_homewonder: it was a valid question
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21:02.42ArcheronCan someone refer me perhaps to a fedora-specific channel?
21:02.53thiago_homeyes, #fedora
21:04.09PuffTheMagicwhen i switch from Xorg to vt1 back to xorg my session gets restarted, is that a kde bug or xorg/radeon issue?
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21:06.16thiago_homesession gets restarted?
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21:06.29thiago_homeguesses X crashes
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21:06.40thiago_homeconfirm by taking a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
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21:39.58yowshi1how di i get the panel to let me put windows in the order i want instead of alphabetically
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21:45.01Ace2017_-hi all
21:45.12Ace2017_-is it possible to have the shadow effects only on windows
21:45.36Ace2017_-so that tooltips and menus do not, only on windows that have a window decoration
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21:48.22Ace2017_-is it possible to disable effects for certain windows?
21:48.42Ace2017_-if not for certain windows than can effects be disabled when a certain program is running?
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21:54.15johnf_How can I setup kmail to save my sent messages in a special folder.  I need to keep track of emails between me and another person
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21:54.35thiago_homeit always saves all your sent messages in the sent-mail folder
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21:55.23johnf_thiago_home: but that includes all the other emails I send.
21:55.44wonderyou can make a filter and move there you want
21:55.45thiago_homeyou can configure a sent-mail folder per identity too
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21:56.12thiago_homeyou can create filters on outgoing messages
21:56.38thiago_homeand you can also select the folder it's going to be saved in the composer window
21:56.41johnf_per identity - filters on outgoing messages I'll try
21:56.44thiago_homechoose a method
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21:57.01AthunyeI'm trying to open the kspread docs from khelpcenter and I get "The file or folder help:/kspread/index.html does not exist." Is this help available from the distros repositories or not ?
21:57.27dieshow to set WebKit in Konqueror 4.2 as default engine ?
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21:58.16thiago_homedies: do you have webkitpart installed?
21:58.26diesthiago_home: yea
21:59.04thiago_homethen Konqueror, Settings, Configure Konqueror, file associations, find text/html and in the Embedded tab, move the webkitpart to the top
21:59.08diesthiago_home: when I change engine in main menu, Konqueror back to KHTML after each refresh
21:59.10johnf_thiago_home:  Thanks your suggestion appears to work.  I didn't realize I could apply filters to sent mail.
21:59.48tsbIn kde4.2, my keyboard (no) works in gtk apps. however in qt apps my layout is just english. I do not use any special keyboard settings in system settings, having already set that in xorg. What's wrong?
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22:00.24thiago_homeArcheron: can you reproduce this issue without synergy running?
22:00.37thiago_hometsb: "no" works for me
22:00.47thiago_hometsb: can you pastebin the output of setxkbmap -print ?
22:00.53ArcheronI can try... have to bail out of X and restart the WM
22:00.58diesthiago_home: thanx a lot! you're rock! : )
22:01.17Ace2017_-Anyone know what causes konsole to resize very slowly if started while effects are on, it takes about 2 seconds for the window to redraw to the new size after each mouse movement, apps like konsole and dolphin redraw much faster
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22:01.35thiago_homeAce2017_-: konsole's code
22:01.43Ace2017_-if konsole is started with effects on and then effects are turned back on it resizes fine like other apps
22:01.47tsbthiago_home, okay hang on, I have to restart X, I tried changing the keyboardsettings which didn't work, but when I changed back my win-key didn't work.
22:01.51Ace2017_-any workarounds?
22:02.22thiago_homeAce2017_-: you mean, besides the workaround you've just mentioend?
22:02.52Ace2017_-thiago_home: yea, i was hoping there would be little known option that can be passed to konsole at runtime
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22:03.30Archeronthiago_home: looks like it didn't have to leave X entirely... just exit back to KDM
22:03.42thiago_homeAce2017_-: it's a bug, so there isn't an option to disable a bug :-)
22:04.01thiago_homewhat happens if you start konsole while the effects are off (but they were on and you turned them off)?
22:04.18tsbthiago_home, okay, now it works again. But it worked before, too. After using konsole for a while, suddenly the keyboard changed.. it has happened several times.
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22:14.20treachhello. I'm having a little problem with the network monitoring widget in 4.2. I built my own kernel, and that made the widget stop working, (just shows a "connected" globe), even though as you see I still have a connection.
22:14.34treachanyone have any idea?
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22:23.02Franticanyone can tell me why my kde4.2 main panel turns blueish when I set the oxygen theme? it's supposed to be blackish
22:24.14sandsmarkit's blue when you don't have working compositing, iirc
22:24.41Frantichow can I find out if I have working compositing or not? :>
22:24.50Franticis that transparency?
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22:26.43Franticfixed by rm -rf .kde* :)
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22:28.12Franticstability still hangs by a thin thread i see :>
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22:30.13Jupiterany news on getting different wallpapers on each viewport to work with kde 4.2 + compiz
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22:32.11Archeronthiago_home: well... no synergy, no problems so far.
22:32.28thiago_homeyou'll have to wait some more to be sure
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22:32.37tsbIs it a known bug that konsole in kde 4.2 never starts in-focus?
22:32.45thiago_homeJupiter: is viewport a compiz thing or is it a virtual desktop?
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22:32.55tsbit always starts beneath some other application for me
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22:33.30tsbIs it a known bug that konsole in kde 4.2 never starts in-focus? it always starts beneath some other application for me
22:33.32Archeronthiago_home: yes... or I can start synergy and watch it screw up withing a minute.
22:33.45thiago_homethat too
22:34.01Jupiterthiago_home: compiz uses 'viewoprts' on one dekstop, there was a patch for kde3 to make this work
22:34.33Archeronhaha... instant screwage.
22:34.53sandsmarksynergy is that ugly hack to share input devices between machines ?
22:35.06Archeronnever had problems before
22:35.19Archeronit is usually slick as all hell
22:36.03ArcheronWhat I don't know at this point is if it is a problem with its interaction with Xorg or KDE.
22:36.08thiago_homeJupiter: can you explain what a viewport is to me in KDE 4 terms?
22:36.12thiago_homeI don't know compiz and have never used it.
22:36.18Archeronbbl
22:36.26Jupiterin kde terms it is a virtual desktop
22:36.29thiago_homeand, AFAIK, KDE has no support for compiz-specific things
22:36.38thiago_homeis it the same thing as a virtual desktop, from X terms?
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22:37.57Jupiterthiago_home: actually it does, the pager/taskbar had to be patched in kde3 to work with compiz, this was fixed upstream and at the same time talk was that the 'different wallpaper on each 'viewport/desktop' would fixed in kde4 as well
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22:38.30Jupiterthiago_home: it worked on kde 4.1.x
22:38.47thiago_homeif it worked in 4.1, there's no reason why it won't work in 4.2
22:38.49kexmanim using kde 3.5.9
22:39.14kexmanhow can i tell my minimized windows that if they are on desktop 2 ... they should be only visible on desktop 2's taskbar
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22:39.31thiago_homekexman: that's kicker's default behaviour
22:39.49thiago_hometry right-clicking the taskbar and seeing if you can change its options
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22:41.19kexmanConfigure the Panel taskbar ?
22:41.21kexmanwhat is kciker ?
22:41.49thiago_homekicker is the panel
22:41.51kexmangot it :)
22:42.01kexmanShow windows from all desktops :)
22:42.07kexmanfirst ckeckbox :P
22:42.09kexmanis blind :P
22:42.14kexmanthanks
22:42.19kexmanfor the glasses :) hehe
22:42.35kexmanaaa how do i switch desktops ? which shortcut is the defualt ?
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22:42.53thiago_homeCtrl+Fn
22:42.58thiago_homeF1, F2, F3, F4
22:43.42caotichow can I decript a file that I copied over ssh to machine, it was encrypted using kde wizards ... any cli interface to kdewallet ?
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22:45.43kexmanhuhh
22:45.47kexmanthat didnt worked to well
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22:46.07kexmani somehow managed to get to desktop2 but couldnt find the way back with the shortcut kombo :)
22:46.14kexmanso i added the applet to the taskbar
22:46.18kexmani mean to the panel
22:46.22kexmanbut i dont want it :)
22:46.33kexmangonna look up some other shortcut in the kcontrol
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22:48.16asdffdsakde 3.5.10 question: i just added a second screen to my system and set it up. the main screen is 1600*1200 and the secondary one is 1920*1080. now my kicker on the main display is floating at the same heigth as the one on the secondary screen
22:48.16asdffdsawhich kinda sucks
22:48.17asdffdsaany ideas?
22:48.33caoticno one ? how can I get the necesary information for decripting a file encrypted with kGpg in the cli ?
22:48.48sandsmarkcaotic: run "gpg filename"
22:48.52kexmanaaa one question
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22:48.59kexmanhow do i find out the FULL version of my kde ? :)
22:49.07caoticsandsmark: but I will need the keys right ?
22:49.12sandsmarkyeah
22:49.18caoticI just know the kde wallet password ...
22:49.21sandsmarkcaotic: but if the key is in kgpg, gpg knows it to
22:49.24sandsmarko
22:49.25caoticany way I van get it from the computer ?
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22:51.06caoticsandsmark: but how can I decript it in a some other machine
22:51.19sandsmarkput the key on it ?
22:51.21caoticmy intend was to scp the file as an asc
22:51.57caoticemm ... dont want to sound stupid, but I dont know how to do that :(
22:52.14caoticbut I guess I just did
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22:54.07caoticsandsmark: how can I access by ssh keys that were generated with kpg ... I guess that was the correct answer
22:54.22sandsmarkkgpg doesn't make ssh keys
22:55.40UltimagonFedora 10 Newbie here, Does any of the 188 bugfixes available up to date fix the issue with kpackagekit that ruins my installation fun when trying to install RPM's downloaded from internet sites like adobe?
22:56.14thiago_homecaotic: SSH and GPG keys are not compatible.
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22:56.28thiago_homeUltimagon: you should ask #fedora, we don't know the answer.
22:57.06Ultimagonoh, I see. Well now you know the severity of my newbieness, Thank you.
22:57.06caotici guess I will just let the file unencrypted until i get phiscall acces to the machine
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23:02.13kexmanis waiting for kde4 to hit stable as ROCK stage :)
23:02.17kexmanis it there yet ? :)
23:02.19kexmanare we there yet ?
23:02.36thiago_hometwo more years
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23:02.58kexmanjawbrokage aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
23:03.06kexman2years ? :)
23:03.11sandsmarkfour more years ! four more years !
23:03.12sandsmark:p
23:03.48thiago_homeyes, two years
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23:04.11kexmanauuuch
23:04.24thiago_homeit took KDE no less than 4 years to get from 3.0 to 3.5
23:04.27Ace2017_-thiago_home: so that would be kde4.5?
23:04.32thiago_homesince we're better now, I'd say we'll take only 3 years
23:04.35thiago_homeone is past
23:04.37thiago_hometwo to go
23:04.49kexmanhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/KDE_4.png
23:04.50kexmanvery nice
23:04.52kexman:)
23:05.09kexmanthiago_home: i have no kde history knowledge
23:05.17kexmanim mearly 1/2 year 1 year user of kde :)
23:05.23Ace2017_-so you get 4.0 for api stability? then 4.5 for app feature completeness? then cool new features in 4.5+
23:05.31kexmanbut as far i like it :)
23:05.34kexmanlove it actualy :)
23:05.48thiago_homeAce2017_-: we're feature complete already
23:05.50kexmanon linux its way too better compared to other desktop enviorenments
23:06.28kexmanstable release according to the wiki is 4.2.0 ;)
23:06.32kexmanhow stable is it ? :)
23:06.56kexmankde 3.5.10 is the latest ultrastable ?
23:07.05thiago_homeKDE 3.5.10 is the last KDE 3.5 release
23:07.06tsbkexman, there are many oddities here and there, kmail/kontact crashes from time to time etc.. but it works
23:07.13thiago_home"stable" in that context means "non-development"
23:07.20tsbkexman, yes, 3.5.10 is the latest ultrastable
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23:07.24nondysjunctionhello
23:07.27thiago_homeno such thing as "ultrastable"
23:07.32thiago_homeit's just KDE 3
23:07.32kexmanhehehe
23:07.37nondysjunctionin kde4 kopete, my chat text is HUGE
23:07.42nondysjunctionand I don't know why :(
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23:07.47kexmanthiago_home: so KDE 3 stable release ...
23:07.50tsbthiago_home, I d'no, kde3 rarely does anything wrong for me!
23:07.55nondysjunctionIt's also worth nothing that my gtk2 texts are incredibly tiny.
23:07.55kexmanthiago_home: KDE 4 has no stable release ???
23:08.03tsbin my book kde3 is ultrastable.
23:08.05hombatby the way.. kde 4.2 is "ultrastable" too
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23:08.32Ace2017_-oh
23:08.37thiago_homekexman: no, the last stable is 4.2.0
23:08.39sobczykkde4: theres no administrator mode button - basic thing
23:08.40Ace2017_-can't be
23:08.41tsbkexman, kde 4.2.0 is stable, you can use it. just don't think everything is as finished as things seem in kde3. You get a fancy kwin with kde4 though :)
23:08.44thiago_homestable = non-development
23:08.52Ace2017_-theres no custom wallpaper for each desktop
23:08.52thiago_homeit has nothing to do with the stability
23:09.13tsbthiago_home, you're telling me! (kde 4.0.0 *cough*) ;)
23:09.20hombatsobczyk: what do you mean? ... for admin tasks iam using su or sudo
23:09.37sobczykkde3 had the admin mode in the kconfig
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23:10.31treachkde4 - IME -quite frequently borks it's configurationfiles so things stop working, or stop work correctly. Not sure who to blame though, KDE or SuSE.
23:10.42hombatsobczyk: ah okay... didnt use it... but i can get admin by systemsettings when i install fonts for example
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23:11.06sobczykalso kopete multiplies icq->jabber transport contacts
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23:11.51hombatsobczyk: which distribution are you using?
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23:12.07sobczykyesterday I lost all text and icons in kde, stopped displaying, thugh it may be radeonhd's fault
23:12.17tsbkexman, more importantly though, sans kwin and the accelerated desktop, it doesn't _really_ bring anything new to the table. There's things here and there, but by and large things are the same. Exciting things like nepomuk and akonadi still needs a while before it is well integrated (I'm guessing 4.4, but really I have no idea:)
23:12.25sobczykhombat: gentoo
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23:13.06sobczykthough overall impression is very good, few things to fix few to add and it'll be great
23:13.07hombatsobczyk: maybe i am so happy with it because of using arch & kdemod
23:13.14hombatsobczyk: :)
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23:14.16asdffdsatears some hair out
23:14.17tsbhombat, I'm on arch but I didn't bother installing kdemod.. it seemed to be just kde4 rebranded
23:14.24asdffdsathis is a really weird problem..
23:14.44tsbhombat, afaicr, they added 2 things, both trivial. I see they will be packing qt4.5 with it though..
23:15.16sobczykthough I think I broke something in X server config or kde itself during upgrade and it looks like contrast of my lcd is higher than before (or something else?), my eyes hurt after logner time at the computer :(
23:15.23hombattsb: yes... it is not the same thing like it was at kdemod3
23:15.38amgarchIn9hi, after upgrade to 4.2 my laptop ignores the "do nothing on lid close" setting in power management. What could it be? This is ubuntu 8.10 kde 4.2 from intrepid-backports
23:15.55funkyoutsb: "kdemod" is just a prefix for a set of packages to distinguish them from the official distro pkgs
23:16.18sandsmarkthe main feature is that they're split
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23:16.35wondernot for long time sandsmark :)
23:16.37sandsmarkand we have some experimental repos with KDE build against 4.5 :)
23:16.56hombatand that is what i like
23:17.35hombatusin core and extragear and it is okay for productive work
23:17.45kexmanjust discovered vnc + xrdp :)
23:17.47kexmanplaying :)
23:17.47tsbfunkyou, ofcourse, I know what it is. My point was that at this time it basically isn't any different from vanilla kde
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23:18.01tsbsandsmark, I mentioned that :)
23:18.04hombatokay there is a problem with openoffice but i thing this is not related to kde
23:18.20sandsmarktsb: well, and we have debug symbols :)
23:18.35sandsmark(so you can actually submit usable bug reports without compiling yourself :)
23:19.04Ace2017_-can a shortcut be setup to turn the window border off?
23:19.09tsbsandsmark, nice, so my desktop will be even slower. I'm on an e6600 with a geforce 280gtx and I'm averaging at a 0.8 load avg with just desktopapps. :) but it is nice at this stage I guess.
23:19.22sandsmarktsb: no, you only install the debug symbols when something crash :p
23:19.24tsbsandsmark, hehe yeah, that is nice.
23:19.29tsbsandsmark, ah, cool.
23:20.03sandsmarkI have a core2duo 2GHz, 2GB of ram, and I average at 0.2 in load :)
23:20.24tsbsandsmark, hum, that was actually a pretty cool feature. how does it work? if kopete crashes, I pacin kdemod-kopete-debug or whatever and just gdb it?
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23:20.48sandsmarkbasically, but you don't need to GDB, you just click the "details" button in the crash handler
23:20.56tsbsandsmark, I can get lower scores if I disable desktop composition. But then, what is left of kde4.. :p
23:21.00sandsmark(which invokes gdb for you)
23:21.01tech9inerlow low mates.. pinotree even ;]]
23:21.07tsbexpose is just too cool to disable
23:21.13sandsmarkindeed ;)
23:21.22sandsmarkand we even have a friggin' cube! :p
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23:21.40tsbsabocat, hehe yeah that one actually crashes my desktop
23:21.56sandsmarkheh
23:22.14tsbsandsmark, or rather, makes it so slow i am unable to do anything, with artifacts all over the place. shift-alt-f12 to the rescue!
23:22.20Archeronok... is there something special you need to do when running multi-headed under KDE 4.2?
23:22.43tsbArcheron, yes, get a bigger single screen. =)
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23:22.57ArcheronMy mouse moves from screen to screen, but I can't drag windows from side to side
23:23.01tsbIt's what I did after a while. I have virtual desktops anyway..
23:23.09tsbArcheron, that is not a kde problem
23:23.25tech9inerany fellow kde fans have a favorite opensource alternative to Evernote perchance please?.. thanks... opensuse 11.1 running default kde3+4 btw..
23:23.28Archeronand the old CTRL-F<screen num> does not seem to do its normal thing
23:23.40tsbArcheron, it is the horrible mess that seems to me to be the source of most of linux-on-desktops troubles; x11/xorg..
23:23.52tech9inerthinks.. hmm.. freemind could work maybe?.. hmmm..
23:23.57Archerontsb: well... 3.x never gave me this trouble...
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23:24.09sandsmarktech9iner: what is it ?
23:24.22Archeronmaybe a newer version of Xorg came with FC10 as well...
23:24.28tsbArcheron, basically, you either have to set up 2 screens as one display, which allows you to move stuff but this also means 1 taskbar will span 2 screen setc
23:24.31sandsmarktech9iner: maybe basket ?
23:24.38tsbArcheron, or you have to just live with the seperation
23:24.55sandsmarktech9iner:  http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/BasKet+Note+Pads?content=10020
23:24.59tsbArcheron, i forget the silly names these modes have. xinerama was it?
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23:25.01ArcheronI will revert to FC6/KDE3.5 before I live with that.
23:25.02tech9inersandsmark: hmm.. interesting.. app moniker never known.. tx for feedback mate..
23:25.11sandsmarknp
23:25.20Archeronalright... I will look into the xorg config
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23:26.04tsbsandsmark, abotu the debug stuff, does that means the install has 2 binaries of everything?
23:26.12Archeronfunny thing is, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
23:26.18tsb(not that it matters, since i have 1.5tb here! mwaha)
23:26.24sandsmarktsb: nope
23:26.35tsbArcheron, welcome to desktop linux! :)
23:26.43sandsmarkyou just get a package with all the debug symbols split out, and gdb is able to load them whenever it needs them
23:26.44tsbjust earlier today my keyboard went bonkers..
23:26.55tsbsandsmark, ah, cool.
23:27.08tsbsandsmark, hum, why doesn't everybody do that?
23:27.13sandsmarkmost do
23:27.15Archeronare there new hotkeys to switch desktops?
23:27.17tsbsandsmark, like, ubuntu et all
23:27.20sandsmarkdebian has -dbg-packages, for example
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23:27.32sandsmark(iirc, haven't used debian in a while :)
23:27.32tsbsandsmark, yes, which you have to install manually
23:27.47sandsmarkyeah, you have to install them manually in arch/kdemod too :)
23:27.57tsbaah, then I understand. :)
23:28.03nondysjunctionKopete's (KDE4) chat styles aren't working right, the font is coming through HUGE! Suggestions?
23:28.04sandsmarkI conspired with the #kde-bugs-guys about getting automatic installation of them, though
23:28.10sandsmarkbut it needs support from the crash handler
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23:28.52tsbI just found the first java-app that doesn't make me want to explode! netbeans! never thought I'd see the day.
23:29.09sandsmarkhehe
23:30.08Archeronok... seem to have found part of the problem
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23:30.59ArcheronCTRL-f12 brings up some widget screen, which overtakes the focused screen, but looks like a blank desktop, giving the appearance that the two screens are out of sync
23:31.17Ace2017_-How do i create a screensaver out of a command? i want to run mplayer M4V56052.MP4 -loop 0 -vo xv -aspect 16:10  #http://systembash.com/videos/M4V56052.MP4.zip
23:31.24tsbsandsmark, any remotely idea about when kdemod4 and qt4.5 will play nice with eachother?
23:31.30Archeronand CTRL-Fx no longer switches between desktops for desktops greater than 4
23:31.32sandsmarkAce2017_-: why not use the media screensaver ?
23:31.38sandsmarktsb: I think funkyou has a repo with qt 4.5
23:31.42Ace2017_-sandsmark: what backend does it use?
23:31.44sandsmark(compiled against 4.5)
23:31.49sandsmarkAce2017_-: I would guess phonon
23:31.57tsbsandsmark, yeah but I hovered the forum a while back, a lot of things doesn't work well with it
23:32.00sandsmarktsb: I run kdemod with 4.5 now
23:32.21tsbsandsmark, and everything Just Works?
23:32.23sandsmarkthere's some minor nitpicks with oxygen, but otherwise I haven't found any big downsides
23:32.45tsbis there any noticable speedup?
23:32.54sandsmarkhmm, probably :)
23:33.00sandsmarkI haven't noticed much
23:33.06kc8hfi_k3b is giving me trouble burning to dvdrw's,  heres the debugging output, WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=5h/ASC=64h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error
23:33.18tsbsandsmark, yeah, it's not easy to notice unless it is huge I guess
23:33.22Archeronso where is the main configuration control panel now?
23:33.26kc8hfi_oops, sorry about that, http://fpaste.org/paste/4335
23:33.26tsbanyway, nighttime. which means 1 hour of left 4 dead that I really shouldn't play and then bed.
23:33.39sandsmarkgoodnight :)
23:33.39tsb(that game is crazy fun.. :)
23:33.50sandsmarkI should buy it some day, I haven't tried it yet :P
23:34.00tech9inerlikes idea of freemind.. yet its java based.. not a java fan..
23:34.13tsbyeah I got it on sale about 2 weeks ago I think. 20 euros, well worth it!
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23:34.44sandsmarknice
23:34.47tech9inerdamn.. getting things done offers up several alternatives..
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23:38.10amgarchIn9what apps are using this config file ~/.kde/share/config/powerdevilprofilesrc in kde 4.2? I dont have powerdevil installed, should I?
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23:47.27junkDawgiei believe it is installed in the normal package, amgarchIn9... it may not give you any options in systemsettings/Advanced/PowerManagement if you have some other powermanagement program running... i had to disable the distro's service before i had any options.
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23:48.52amgarchIn9thanks! battary is empty,  I go to sleep
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23:50.53junkDawgiewhich promptly put me into a non-recoverable hibernate when that timeout happened ... fyi
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23:54.25blafaselHi. Just started a loopback connection with (free)nx to try KDE. Before that my multimedia app played last.fm, but as soon as the session started the sound was cut off (now my soundcard is not even listed as target in pulseaudio anymore). Is 4.2 using a (modern) variant of arts of some sort that might've grabbed my device here?
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23:56.20thiago_homeKDE doesn't have aRts
23:56.29thiago_homeor anything like it
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23:56.41thiago_homehowever, pulseaudio could be considered a successor to it
23:56.45blafaselNo software mixer or something?
23:56.50thiago_homeit's not part of KDE, so you're running it on your own
23:57.01thiago_homeno, KDE requires the underlying layer to do mixing
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23:57.20asdffdsakde 3.5.10 question: i just added a second screen to my system and set it up. the main screen is 1600*1200 and the secondary one is 1920*1080. now my kicker on the main display is floating at the same heigth as the one on the secondary screen
23:57.28blafaselSure I do. I'm a Gnome guy so far (don't hit me) and just started KDE on the same machine, using NX as a VNC replacement
23:57.34asdffdsaany ideas?
23:57.37thiago_homeasdffdsa: restart X
23:57.43asdffdsathiago, i did
23:57.54asdffdsaor do you mean i need to restart more than once
23:57.55thiago_homeX has to be started with both screens connected
23:57.55asdffdsa?
23:58.04asdffdsai did that
23:58.09thiago_homeok, then I don't know
23:58.29asdffdsa(also, i lost all session state by doing that which kinda sucks as i had severl konquis open with non-bookmarked URLs etc)
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23:58.37asdffdsathiago, kk, thanks though

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