| 00:00.43 | Predator106 | can Kate display documents by tab? I don't like the side panel thingy, I prefer tabs better |
| 00:00.58 | Predator106 | ok, nvm |
| 00:01.07 | apokryphos | it can |
| 00:01.08 | Predator106 | *it's a plugin |
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| 00:20.56 | __phil__ | waves hi to all |
| 00:21.12 | __phil__ | I just switched from KDE 3.5 to KDE 4.1 |
| 00:21.16 | __phil__ | it's really cool |
| 00:21.23 | __phil__ | plasma's fun |
| 00:21.28 | crazy_pete | i asked this question last night, and if someone answered after my internet connection went down i apologise :) |
| 00:21.31 | thiago | glad you like it |
| 00:21.40 | __phil__ | how do I get my panel to span across both of my monitors? |
| 00:21.52 | crazy_pete | i am running fluxbox (and sometimes icewm) as my WM. But i a very very fond of KDE apps |
| 00:22.02 | crazy_pete | is there anyplace that KDE keeps a menu of installed apps? |
| 00:22.13 | crazy_pete | i know when i run KDE i get a HUGE menu on the kde desktopn |
| 00:22.19 | thiago | __phil__: I think you need one on each desktop |
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| 00:22.25 | Mescalito^ | crazy_pete: down to your distro |
| 00:22.28 | crazy_pete | is there anyway i can import that menu into other WM please? |
| 00:22.38 | crazy_pete | are you sure Mescalito^ ? |
| 00:22.40 | thiago | crazy_pete: it's the xdg desktop menu specification |
| 00:22.43 | thiago | it's desktop-wide |
| 00:22.54 | crazy_pete | thank you thiago |
| 00:23.09 | __phil__ | thaigo - not what I wanted to hear, but I guess that's just the way it is |
| 00:23.11 | crazy_pete | so basically i should search "xdg desktop" and try to find where KDE puts these menus? |
| 00:23.37 | thiago | crazy_pete: no |
| 00:23.47 | thiago | crazy_pete: you should run whatever app in fluxbox and icewm that display XDG menus |
| 00:23.52 | thiago | because the KDE apps are there |
| 00:24.05 | thiago | unless, of course, KDE isn't installed in /usr... |
| 00:24.23 | crazy_pete | yes kde is installed in /usr :) |
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| 00:24.44 | crazy_pete | but basically i need to search read up on xdg thiago ? So i know what it is and what app displays it etc\ |
| 00:24.48 | crazy_pete | right? :) |
| 00:25.22 | thiago | crazy_pete: then the .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications |
| 00:25.46 | crazy_pete | thanks thiago |
| 00:26.38 | crazy_pete | (Btw i found it, thanks, not just thanks, thiago) :) |
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| 00:38.19 | MolePrinzzz | Howdy. Is there a widget or option for the control panel clock to show the current temperature please? I know there is one for Gnome but I haven't found one for KDE yet. |
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| 00:47.49 | yrjokin | Is KDE going to be available for windows soon? |
| 00:48.14 | Sput | it is already |
| 00:48.44 | Sput | http://windows.kde.org/ |
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| 00:56.33 | Alumin | Is there any way to have KDE (or specifically, the screensaver, I guess) run a command when the screen wakes up? |
| 00:57.19 | Alumin | (KDE 3.5.8 as packaged by Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy) |
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| 00:59.59 | Alumin | also, and this isn't really a feature I use, but in poking around for this problem I noticed it again...the "hot corners" don't work...in other words, you can configure the screensaver to lock when the mouse is in a particular corner...when I put the mouse in that corner, nothing happens that I can see |
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| 01:34.43 | batcoder-7 | ok what should i do |
| 01:34.55 | batcoder-7 | my scrolling in konq is still so slow its not usable |
| 01:35.07 | batcoder-7 | as is anything that uses the QT rendering scrolling widget i guess |
| 01:35.16 | batcoder-7 | firefox scrolls fine |
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| 01:38.26 | batcoder-7 | anyone up ? |
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| 01:56.25 | stalkerg | batcoder-7: hello |
| 01:56.31 | stalkerg | what video card you use? |
| 01:56.35 | batcoder-7 | intel |
| 01:56.40 | stalkerg | and what Qt,KDE? |
| 01:56.41 | batcoder-7 | i somehwat fixed it |
| 01:56.47 | stalkerg | :) |
| 01:57.02 | batcoder-7 | i did a reconfigure of xorg and it aske d me some kernel framebuffer question and i selected yes |
| 01:57.23 | stalkerg | hm... |
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| 01:58.08 | stalkerg | realy problem in nvidia drivers... 180.x better |
| 01:58.12 | batcoder-7 | stalkerg: but its still nto as smooth as i would like |
| 01:58.15 | luke-jr | Why does Konsole in KDE 4 ignore titlebar changes from the shell? |
| 01:58.27 | batcoder-7 | my xorg.conf does not mention my intel i810 drivers at all |
| 01:58.37 | batcoder-7 | should it ? |
| 01:58.54 | luke-jr | batcoder-7: try removing xorg.conf? |
| 01:59.05 | batcoder-7 | why ? |
| 01:59.27 | luke-jr | it's no longer needed afaik |
| 02:00.30 | batcoder-7 | oh ? |
| 02:00.33 | batcoder-7 | luke-jr: why not ? |
| 02:00.43 | batcoder-7 | so how do i confgure my stuff to use the right video drivers etc ? |
| 02:00.48 | luke-jr | autodetected |
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| 02:01.25 | batcoder-7 | luke-jr: so how cns i tell if its using my drivers correctly ? |
| 02:01.40 | batcoder-7 | and that i am getting the correct smooth picture i am suppose to get |
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| 02:05.23 | luke-jr | batcoder-7: the log |
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| 02:08.34 | Moult | can i rearrange my tabs on konqueror? |
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| 02:12.02 | xenoterracide | what program controls the 'task manager' (the thing that allows me to switch windows at the bottom |
| 02:12.07 | xenoterracide | it seems to not work |
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| 02:12.18 | xenoterracide | kde 4.x |
| 02:13.22 | llama_ | you mean when you hit alt-tab? |
| 02:13.28 | llama_ | I guess that is either plasma or kwin |
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| 02:15.33 | junkDawgie | it's a plasma widget, or plasmoid container applet |
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| 02:20.16 | xenoterracide | I can restart plasma right |
| 02:20.22 | xenoterracide | actually alt-tab works |
| 02:20.29 | xenoterracide | it's my work-around for the time bing |
| 02:20.32 | xenoterracide | being* |
| 02:20.55 | llama_ | hmm well, when I hit Ctrl-Alt-Del I get the option to shutdown |
| 02:21.41 | llama_ | if you are looking for a task manager (like a GUI version of 'top') then I usually hit Alt-F2 |
| 02:22.25 | llama_ | Alt-F2 brings up the dialog where you can run an arbitrary command. The second button will open a task manager where you can kill tasks etc.. |
| 02:22.54 | llama_ | which, I think is actually a part of krunner |
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| 02:23.45 | xenoterracide | no I'm talking about the plasmoid |
| 02:24.15 | xenoterracide | the thing that allows me to pick which window is focused |
| 02:24.41 | xenoterracide | I call it task manager because if I right click on it it says 'task manager settings' |
| 02:26.11 | xenoterracide | well killing plasma get's rid of it |
| 02:26.17 | xenoterracide | now how do it get it back |
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| 02:28.53 | xenoterracide | because running plasma doesn't start it |
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| 02:30.24 | batcoder-7 | what rendering engine is best ot be used with kde4 ? |
| 02:30.30 | batcoder-7 | xgl or ? |
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| 02:32.17 | llama_ | don't know.. I used to use the GL drivers.. |
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| 02:32.42 | llama_ | now that Nvidia has fixed the xrender support in their drivers (version 177 and up, I think?) I've been using XRender |
| 02:32.51 | llama_ | since Qt is optimized for Xrender |
| 02:33.25 | batcoder-7 | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:33.59 | batcoder-7 | llama_: i am using GLX looks like |
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| 02:39.03 | llama_ | try them all |
| 02:39.05 | lilltiger | batcoder-7: xgl is an alternative X-server that uses 3D accelerated drawing and is pretty much abondoned as a project. |
| 02:39.08 | llama_ | see which one is the most performant |
| 02:39.26 | llama_ | not to be confused with glx ;-) |
| 02:39.37 | batcoder-7 | i mean i think i am pretty good here with the GLX is that supposed to be a pretty good one ? |
| 02:40.30 | batcoder-7 | just ogt my first konq crash *yes* |
| 02:40.34 | llama_ | I mean - it is probably the most supported since it is pretty old. I would try xrender - but with that you run into some issues with compositing + video |
| 02:41.16 | batcoder-7 | llama_: i dont know i am just trying to make sure i am getting the best picture ;) |
| 02:41.44 | llama_ | the video quality should be identical |
| 02:42.24 | llama_ | the difference is how the image makes its way to your hardware |
| 02:42.26 | lilltiger | GLX is an extension to the a-server that activates the abilaty to use 3D accelerated applications within the X gui, but it does not accelerate X itself, for this you also need the damage and compositing extensions and enableXRender or OpenGL rendering, but this is both 2D acceleration and alot of the graphic drivers out there is very poor at that |
| 02:43.00 | lilltiger | a-server should be x-server |
| 02:43.03 | batcoder-7 | i am using a intel on baord card :( |
| 02:43.10 | llama_ | is that supposed to be GLX or XGL? |
| 02:43.15 | lilltiger | batcoder-7: G95? |
| 02:43.24 | lilltiger | llama_: GLX |
| 02:43.31 | batcoder-7 | lilltiger: 82856G |
| 02:43.47 | lilltiger | llama_: XGL is an 3D accelerated X-server.. |
| 02:43.53 | llama_ | yeah |
| 02:44.18 | batcoder-7 | also i put the flash plugin in konq it detects it but man its having a time with youtube |
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| 02:44.54 | batcoder-7 | konq like freezes for 4 seconds when a flash thing is loaded |
| 02:44.57 | batcoder-7 | and it never loads in |
| 02:45.06 | lilltiger | flash is crap in linux esp in 64 bit, and wont be fixed for years to come it seems |
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| 02:45.21 | llama_ | I don't use Konq as my webbrowser.. it is typically nice, but screws up on most ajaxy websites unfortunately.. at least on my sys |
| 02:46.06 | llama_ | lilltiger, I don't know.. with Firefox + Flash + nswrapper on 64bit, I've been quite happy |
| 02:46.06 | batcoder-7 | llama_: liek the KTML part |
| 02:46.28 | llama_ | the only problem seems to be flash vids that rely on WMODE=Transparent |
| 02:46.37 | lilltiger | batcoder-7: install the xorg 1.5 server then enable desktopeffects and XRender or OpenGL intel hardware normaly works very well my onboard intel G95 works alot better then my gf8800 GTS with 177.80 drivers and best tweeks |
| 02:47.15 | llama_ | yeah any of the pre-177 nvidia drivers SUCK with xrender |
| 02:47.32 | lilltiger | llama_: im running that to, it works, but wouldent say it work well, leaks memory hogs cpu etc.. |
| 02:47.58 | llama_ | true. I thought the memory leaking was just a general firefox issue? is it not? |
| 02:48.04 | lilltiger | 177.80 sucks with XRender as well, just not as hard as erlier.. |
| 02:48.10 | lilltiger | openGL is still best |
| 02:48.40 | lilltiger | llama_: it leaks a little normaly, flash makes it more then wice as bad |
| 02:48.41 | llama_ | but.. you still can't avoid the fact that Qt will still be using xrender internally.. but at least your WM doesn't suck if you use OGL mode |
| 02:48.45 | lilltiger | twice |
| 02:49.03 | llama_ | lilltiger, you are probably right, I haven't tried a different platform in a while |
| 02:49.49 | batcoder-7 | how do i run opengl ? |
| 02:49.53 | batcoder-7 | i am using GLX now |
| 02:50.12 | lilltiger | llama_: yhee XRender should be better to use if it werent for the crappyness of the nvidia drivers :( |
| 02:50.20 | batcoder-7 | i almost just want ot use kde 3.x ;) |
| 02:50.25 | batcoder-7 | everything worked on that pretty good |
| 02:51.03 | llama_ | lilltiger, too bad.. I wish nvidia would open up their driver and let some dedicated nerds hack at it |
| 02:51.48 | lilltiger | batcoder-7: no you arent GLX is for 3D, ex if you start up Quake 3.. Go to system Settings -> Desktop -> Enable Desktop Effects -> Advanced, try both OpenGL and XRender to see wich works best |
| 02:52.19 | batcoder-7 | i am saying hwo do i switch ? |
| 02:52.31 | Tanktalus | Is the perldoc:/ protocol supported in 4.1.71? |
| 02:52.35 | lilltiger | llama_: And I wish for peace on earth.. And honestly I think I will win that one.. :9 |
| 02:52.40 | llama_ | batcoder-7, yes, we are currently talking about the compositing mode used by the WM (kwin) not what is used within an application |
| 02:53.19 | llama_ | peace on earth probably means only one person living |
| 02:53.36 | lilltiger | batcoder-7: Do like I said, go into System Settings, then Desktop then Enable Desktop Effects, then press advanced and you will have an drop down box to choose between XRender and OpenGL |
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| 02:53.57 | llama_ | choose which ever one sucks the least for you |
| 02:54.23 | llama_ | image quality should be the same - the difference will be in performance and glitchy artifacts, etc.. |
| 02:54.50 | lilltiger | llama_: or none.. and tha will happen for sure within the comming 5 billions years when the sun dies.. Nvidia will probly open up thire source a few eons after that.. |
| 02:55.11 | llama_ | lilltiger, we can only hope. |
| 02:55.16 | batcoder-7 | Xrender works about 200x better |
| 02:55.27 | llama_ | the NV driver might actually work before then |
| 02:55.37 | batcoder-7 | dont thee effects hurt performance though ? |
| 02:55.42 | lilltiger | batcoder-7: Then use that :) |
| 02:55.53 | llama_ | Xrender != effects |
| 02:55.59 | lilltiger | batcoder-7: most likly not as intel's driver are good |
| 02:56.18 | batcoder-7 | i mean i would say thes effects are *far* from smooth |
| 02:56.24 | lilltiger | batcoder-7: so go ahead and activate all effects you want and try em out |
| 02:56.25 | llama_ | whoops.. |
| 02:56.27 | batcoder-7 | opengl i couldnt even use |
| 02:56.34 | lilltiger | ohh |
| 02:56.35 | pgib | that's better |
| 02:56.45 | batcoder-7 | still a bit choppy |
| 02:56.51 | batcoder-7 | even with xrender |
| 02:57.22 | lilltiger | batcoder-7: ohh sad to hear that, shouldent be choppy at all :( |
| 02:57.57 | batcoder-7 | and scrolling in konq is still nowhere near smooth |
| 02:58.05 | batcoder-7 | yea there is an underlying problem somehwere here |
| 02:58.52 | batcoder-7 | konq wont load flash stuff slow scrolling |
| 02:58.54 | batcoder-7 | hmmm |
| 02:59.06 | batcoder-7 | either my setup is really messed up |
| 02:59.13 | batcoder-7 | or kde got really bad since 3.x ;) |
| 02:59.51 | lilltiger | unfortunally it seems like your card do have alot of issues in linux :( |
| 03:00.20 | batcoder-7 | its just a temp computer |
| 03:00.36 | batcoder-7 | but i never had these problems before hmmm |
| 03:00.40 | batcoder-7 | kde 3.x worked very good |
| 03:00.57 | lilltiger | yes but kde 3.x dident use 2D acceleration |
| 03:01.38 | batcoder-7 | lilltiger: makes it worse that i am suing debian |
| 03:01.52 | batcoder-7 | debain i think is the best distro but for desktops it cna be tricky at times |
| 03:03.10 | lilltiger | best in suckyness maybe.. :p |
| 03:04.31 | lilltiger | batcoder-7: do: lspci | grep VGA |
| 03:04.34 | pgib | gentoo FTW |
| 03:04.50 | lilltiger | an paste that line here, if it only one line that is else use an paste bin |
| 03:05.31 | lilltiger | I used gentoo for 5 years.. on my p3 866 as main computer.. then when i got my self an q6600 I switched to arch ;D |
| 03:06.16 | g2g591 | Arch is pretty nice... so is gentoo... if you can put up with all the compile time adding up over the weeks and months |
| 03:07.06 | lilltiger | this comp should do nicly on gentoo i compile whel kde in aprox 20mins. while it took like 72h onmy p3 866 :) |
| 03:07.23 | lilltiger | whole.. |
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| 03:14.50 | pgib | not too bad really.. as long as you keep syncing and updating pretty regularly.. I just do an update once a week while I sleep |
| 03:15.39 | jrick | pgib: yeah, I use FreeBSD, and install everything from ports. It's not as bad as so many people think. |
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| 03:17.16 | batcoder-7 | how is Kubuntu ? |
| 03:19.26 | pgib | it's OK |
| 03:19.35 | pgib | I use it on my laptop recently |
| 03:19.54 | pgib | definitely easy. And it is high quality |
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| 03:29.37 | pgib | it's amazing |
| 03:29.46 | pgib | I like computers just about as much as I hate them |
| 03:29.52 | pgib | and it is my career :-/ |
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| 03:32.22 | blauzahl-laptop | woo hoo! kmobiletools works and i now have saved my sms off my phone. (the update from yesterday) |
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| 03:34.09 | luke-jr | Any way to get KOrganizer 4 to ⦠work with KOrganizer 3 files/ |
| 03:34.09 | luke-jr | ? |
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| 03:34.41 | kernco | Is there a KDE program similar to MS Paint? |
| 03:35.39 | jrick | kernco: I seem to remember a program called kpaint in KDE3, but haven't seen it at all in 4 |
| 03:37.55 | jrick | kernco: ah, try kolourpaint |
| 03:38.00 | jrick | (KDE4) |
| 03:39.08 | kernco | jrick: thanks |
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| 03:46.32 | luke-jr | ⦠|
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| 03:50.52 | pgib | ,,, |
| 03:52.16 | pgib | just looked up freezing drizzle |
| 03:52.28 | pgib | I didn't even know it was a real term - I just figured it was a red neck thing |
| 03:56.28 | Alumin | heh |
| 03:56.34 | Alumin | or a rapper thing |
| 03:56.43 | pgib | lol |
| 04:01.42 | luke-jr | Any way to get KOrganizer 4 to ⦠work with KOrganizer 3 files? |
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| 04:11.18 | pingveno | I just did some updates that updated libxine1-bin and now Amarok won't play MP3s. |
| 04:11.41 | pingveno | Something about libxine1-ffmpeg having dependency problems |
| 04:11.54 | pingveno | libxine1-bin was upgraded from 1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3 to 1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3.1 |
| 04:12.16 | pingveno | And libxine1-ffmpeg requires 1.1.11.1-1ubuntu3 |
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| 04:15.27 | batcoder-7 | how much longer will kde 3 be supported ? |
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| 04:16.27 | _mary_kate_ | kate is configured to insert tabs instead of spaces, and to use a tab width of 8. but when i press tab, it inserts two spaces. what's up? |
| 04:19.05 | pingveno | I probably don't have the answer, but are you using Python mode? |
| 04:19.14 | _mary_kate_ | no. PHP |
| 04:19.20 | pingveno | Okay. |
| 04:21.00 | sorteal | Zzzzz -.- |
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| 04:23.50 | _mary_kate_ | ah, i found the problem. i have to change the 'indentation width' as well as the 'tab width' |
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| 04:55.51 | caotic | is there anything like kmix for kde plasma ? |
| 04:56.08 | pgib | uhm.. |
| 04:56.14 | pgib | how about kmix? |
| 04:56.31 | caotic | pgib: haven found it yet |
| 04:56.51 | caotic | I thought it got out, mabe is my distro specific package manager |
| 04:57.19 | pgib | you should have a kmix that provides a mixer dialog and a system tray icon |
| 04:58.15 | caotic | cant find it yet, but I ll keep looking thanks |
| 04:59.49 | pgib | what happens if you simply run kmix from the command line? |
| 05:00.22 | caotic | nothing, comand not found |
| 05:03.51 | pgib | then you haven't installed all of KDE |
| 05:04.06 | pgib | you should have some meta package or similiar that will install all the defaults |
| 05:04.28 | pgib | maybe use your package manager to determine which package provides the kmix binary? |
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| 05:11.14 | caotic | pgib, solved, the package name was kdemultimedia :S |
| 05:11.38 | caotic | (archlinux for future references) |
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| 05:28.40 | ABCD | <ABCD> I'm having trouble getting global keyboard shortcuts to work - I'm running kdebase-4.1.71. The error message I get is here: http://rafb.net/p/rFlCku18.html |
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| 05:58.57 | blauzahl | ok, if kmobiletools just said it saved things to my addressbook, where do you think they went? |
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| 06:24.14 | stou | hi... I am trying to compile a plasmoid from source on a 64 bit machine but it tries to link against the 32 bit libraries which are kind of missing |
| 06:24.31 | stou | is there some way to tell cmake to look for libraries in a specific directory/ |
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| 07:00.17 | stou | hello |
| 07:00.21 | stou | on the page: http://plasma.kde.org/cms/1086 |
| 07:00.27 | stou | the link for 'getting started' is broken |
| 07:00.41 | stou | i.e. Instructions can be found here on the KDE developer information wiki. |
| 07:01.15 | stou | doubly broken even... the domain and the wiki page |
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| 07:11.20 | mdeanda | how can i change the path where konqueror stores its cache? i'm running off of an nfs mounted home directory so ~/.kde is slow |
| 07:13.33 | mdeanda | hmm.. maybe nevermind. it looks like the cache is a symlink to a local folder.. but i see really high network activety while loading a page, and it seems much slower than before. |
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| 07:24.00 | s1m0n | hi, i'm using konqueror-4.1.2 and i'd like to know if there is a way to "activate" drag and drop from the directory view to directories in the navigation panel? |
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| 07:32.05 | comawhite | theme* |
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| 08:45.25 | Moult | does konqueror's (4.1.2) spellcheck work? |
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| 09:15.10 | rakekniven | is kde-pim 4.1.2 usable for daily work? Compared to 3.5.10? |
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| 09:15.19 | Colonel_Panic | If I have a window fullscreened, how can I get it back to normal, with the title bar and everything? |
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| 09:15.30 | Colonel_Panic | I know there's a keyboard shortcut for that... |
| 09:15.32 | nanothief | rakekniven, I use it daily, and it seems fine (though I don't use it too heavily |
| 09:15.50 | rakekniven | Does it have the same functions? |
| 09:15.54 | rakekniven | Is it stable? |
| 09:16.01 | Colonel_Panic | anybody know that offhand? |
| 09:16.12 | rakekniven | I use 3.x heavily for many years |
| 09:16.23 | nanothief | well for me its more stable, as kontact 3.5 seemed to corrupt my imap-disconnected a fair bit (which has yet to happen) |
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| 09:16.47 | rakekniven | any other statements? |
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| 09:17.07 | nanothief | as for functionality, I'm not sure, as I'm not a very heavy user. Everything seems to be there |
| 09:17.20 | Colonel_Panic | does anybody know the keyboard shortcut to un-fullscreen an app? |
| 09:17.36 | nanothief | Colonel_Panic, sorry, check settings->keyboard/mouse->shortcuts |
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| 09:18.09 | nanothief | rakekniven, the thing is, if its missing the one killer feature you need, you won't like it, the only way for you to know is to try it |
| 09:18.50 | nanothief | does this work in 3.5: select a message, press m, then type part of the folder name you want to move the message to and press enter |
| 09:18.58 | nanothief | (one of my fav features btw) |
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| 09:21.46 | rakekniven | not as I am aware off |
| 09:22.58 | nanothief | it still hasn't fixed the stupid replying to html problems its had forever :( |
| 09:23.13 | Phlogi | gwenview is able to open gif files right? It complains here |
| 09:23.15 | rakekniven | nanothief: I tried it a little but testing kmail will take some time. I have > 10 accounts with > 150 filter rules. Have to check how to migrate settings |
| 09:23.31 | nanothief | woah |
| 09:23.55 | rakekniven | Phlogi: It does it here |
| 09:24.06 | nanothief | I had two accounts, and about 12 filters, so I just did it manually |
| 09:24.18 | Phlogi | rakekniven: can you also save an image as gif file? |
| 09:24.46 | rakekniven | nanothief: forgot to mention > 50000 mails, but that isn't a problem due to mbox/maildir |
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| 09:25.31 | rakekniven | Phlogi: no, saving is not possible |
| 09:25.38 | Phlogi | rakekniven: do you know why? |
| 09:25.45 | nanothief | rakekniven, you may want to ask someone a bit more knowledgeable than me |
| 09:25.57 | rakekniven | sure. thx |
| 09:26.52 | ahmedb | hey guys, the latest qt-copy does not build on my pc .. here is the paste http://rafb.net/p/bp6GqV29.html |
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| 09:27.00 | ahmedb | can anyone help please |
| 09:28.54 | pinotree | ahmedb: remove the applied patches, of course: svn-clean . && svn revert -R . && ./configure [...] && make |
| 09:29.46 | ahmedb | pinotree: how do I remove the applied patches please? |
| 09:29.53 | pinotree | i told you |
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| 09:29.58 | ahmedb | ok |
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| 09:38.05 | Moult | does konqueror's (4.1.2) spellcheck work? |
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| 09:54.48 | kriko | where does kdm set it's MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE? |
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| 10:04.40 | thpar | Hi. Which command is used by KDE4 to lock the screen? I'd like to set it to xscreensave-command |
| 10:10.41 | kriko | thpar: use qdbusviewer |
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| 10:13.50 | thpar | kriko: I see what you mean... |
| 10:14.02 | sp00n | hello, when I start kde I get nothing but a shell window and no kicker. If I use the shell to launch an application such as opera, when I exit I cannot type into the terminal. |
| 10:15.01 | fishsponge | hey people - how do i set firefox to be the default browser in KDE4? |
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| 10:16.10 | thpar | kriko: but now I see the screensaver and its methods, but don't know how to replace it with xscreensaver |
| 10:18.07 | nanothief | fishsponge, settings -> default applications -> web browser |
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| 10:21.11 | fishsponge | thanks nanothief! :-) |
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| 10:23.14 | thpar | and KDE4.1 settings: is there already a way to make the task bar only show the apps of your current desktop? |
| 10:23.58 | thpar | now it shows apps from all my desktops, while I use those to get some apps out of the way |
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| 10:25.04 | sp00n | logging off to try a fix... |
| 10:25.18 | stdin | thpar: right-click the task manager -> Task Manager Setting -> Only show tasks from current desktop |
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| 10:35.48 | chris__ | hi |
| 10:36.11 | chris__ | where is the vpnc frontend for knetwork-manager? |
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| 10:54.14 | ko9 | how do I change the background colour of the lists in konqueror? |
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| 10:58.04 | stalkerg | ko9: maybe rewrite konqueror? |
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| 10:58.10 | ko9 | hm no |
| 10:58.17 | stalkerg | :) it is simple |
| 10:58.30 | lemma | does KDE4 still have a kdesu or kdesudo or similar? |
| 10:58.31 | stalkerg | code in kde4 more understanding |
| 10:58.32 | ko9 | I can set the "alternate list colour" in the KDE color dialog.. but can't find the regular one |
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| 10:59.11 | stalkerg | lemma: kdesu avaible |
| 10:59.35 | ko9 | stalkerg: so any ideas? |
| 10:59.41 | lemma | stalkerg: strange. all I have is kdesu_stub which I don't figure how to operate |
| 10:59.46 | ko9 | at the moment I have black text on black background ;( |
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| 11:00.34 | stalkerg | ko9: what kde you use? |
| 11:00.49 | ko9 | 3.5 |
| 11:01.38 | lemma | stalkerg: never mind, I found it :) |
| 11:01.39 | stalkerg | ko9: strange.... |
| 11:01.50 | stalkerg | lemma: ^_^ good |
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| 11:02.36 | ko9 | I would've expected there to be a "background in lists" color, besides the "alternate background in lists" |
| 11:02.41 | ko9 | but it doesn't seem to exist |
| 11:03.23 | ko9 | maybe it requires a restart of the PC? :-/ |
| 11:03.27 | ko9 | seems bizarre to me |
| 11:03.32 | stalkerg | ko9: it is kcontrol? |
| 11:03.51 | stalkerg | ko9: no... maybe restart X only. |
| 11:03.58 | ko9 | I tried that, didn't work :( |
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| 11:04.13 | stalkerg | stop |
| 11:04.29 | stalkerg | ko9: now you set bg to black? |
| 11:04.52 | ko9 | huh? |
| 11:05.11 | stalkerg | you say: I have black text on black background ; |
| 11:05.16 | ko9 | yes |
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| 11:05.34 | ko9 | I tried using white text on black backgrounds |
| 11:05.37 | ko9 | but didnt' like it in the end |
| 11:05.42 | ko9 | but now I can't seem to change it back anywhere |
| 11:05.48 | ko9 | I forgot how I made it black |
| 11:06.13 | stalkerg | you need set white text on black bg in list? |
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| 11:06.39 | ko9 | no, I want to set black text on white bg |
| 11:07.14 | stalkerg | ko9: set default colot theme :) |
| 11:07.20 | stalkerg | *color |
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| 11:20.30 | shadowhywind | hay all running kde 4 in kubuntu intrepid, does anyone know how to turn off the monitor after X mins? |
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| 11:26.33 | iuso | hi, i've had this prob for a long time. in the Applications menu (KDE 4.1) many of the icons are not there (they're question marks). i've everything working otherwise. is there some shell command i need to run to make KDE discover these icons and use them? i'm fairly sure they're installed somewhere |
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| 11:27.10 | Jucato | iuso: darn it... treeve hasn't fixed it yet :/ |
| 11:27.19 | iuso | Jucato: any idea what's wrong? |
| 11:27.42 | Jucato | iuso: export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/kde4/share:/usr/share; kbuildsycoca4 |
| 11:28.10 | iuso | Jucato: thanks |
| 11:28.39 | Jucato | I should probably file a bug now :/ |
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| 11:45.19 | Maxa | can you make custom keycommands in kwin, or do i need compiz for that? |
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| 11:46.22 | Maxa | what i mean is pressing a key combination executes ~/command.sh for example... |
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| 11:47.22 | Jucato | you can do that with Input Actions (khotkeys) but at the moment they are broken in KDE 4 (4.1) |
| 11:47.38 | Jucato | (nothing to do with kwin) |
| 11:47.44 | Maxa | ok |
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| 12:08.19 | Gigantic | What's the command to turn desktop efects on and off? |
| 12:09.24 | katastrophe | there is a plasmoid for that |
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| 12:11.12 | Ace2016_ | http://down.codeweavers.com/ ITS FREE TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 12:24.23 | Gigantic | yeah the plasmoid won't compile |
| 12:24.45 | Gigantic | unless I edit it... and that is too much work lol |
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| 12:51.40 | wsjunior | is it possible to preview images inside kmail? |
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| 13:01.15 | tech9iner | anyone have any pro-kde backup that spans multiple cdr's application better than say dar & kdar please?.. caveat includes fact i am gui dependent & command line challenged ;]] |
| 13:01.45 | tech9iner | kdar seems quite stretched tween development / updates |
| 13:02.01 | tech9iner | curious if ive missed a good one in my days of googling for such |
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| 13:07.17 | usr | Hi! |
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| 13:11.15 | litb | hello all |
| 13:12.06 | irc4arab | I Just install F10 Beta .... but why there 378 new updates ;] |
| 13:12.09 | usr | Anyone know about Kopete-KDE4 and IRC? IRC is missing in Kopete 0.50 and 0.60. It's a KDE 4.2 feature? |
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| 13:14.04 | pinotree | usr: it won't be in kde 4.2 |
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| 13:15.45 | evdvelde | hi all, what is the best network management backend for solid at the moment? |
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| 13:19.01 | usr | thank you, pinotree |
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| 13:24.31 | stoned | hello |
| 13:24.37 | stoned | I have been gone a while! |
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| 13:24.50 | stoned | pinotree, hello there, and Jucato ! |
| 13:25.12 | stoned | where is Renze, or cannlliath |
| 13:25.20 | stoned | qupada, ! hey! |
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| 13:25.36 | stoned | Annma ? |
| 13:25.46 | stoned | Sho_ ? |
| 13:25.58 | stoned | (Please tell me these people still come around) |
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| 13:28.16 | Sho_ | stoned: still here |
| 13:28.36 | stoned | hey man how are ya! KDE4 is out, I wonder how good you got with the coding in 1 year past |
| 13:28.41 | evdvelde | which tool should i use to configure my network? knetworkmanager? or is there better for KDE4? |
| 13:28.46 | stoned | Sho_, how is Konversation 4 coming along buddy? |
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| 13:30.00 | stoned | Sho_, I had originally requested irc text themeing capability, and also to be able to put the tab bar on the left, and/or make into a tree sidebar, etc. How are these two features coming along? or are they already implementd or planned, or not? |
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| 13:31.26 | Sho_ | stoned: The tree sidebar thing has been supported for about two years or so |
| 13:31.40 | stoned | oh fantastic |
| 13:31.45 | stoned | Sho_, and the other? |
| 13:32.02 | Sho_ | stoned: You can set the colors, but there's no theme management around it |
| 13:32.11 | stoned | oh I see |
| 13:32.31 | stoned | the reason I wanted that was to be able to modify the text and have right aligned nicknames, ala Xchat or irssi /format command |
| 13:32.54 | stoned | is this yet possible? with or without themeing? |
| 13:33.04 | Sho_ | stoned: not so far, no |
| 13:33.36 | stoned | Then I humbly remind you about them and wish you very much luck with your work |
| 13:33.55 | stoned | I shall continue to use irssi until Konv. is ready |
| 13:33.59 | stoned | (for me) |
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| 13:34.34 | stoned | Sho_, however I must ask. This is planned yes? |
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| 13:37.14 | Sho_ | stoned: yes |
| 13:37.48 | stoned | Sho_, THANK!YOU! |
| 13:38.08 | stoned | Fucking life saver man! Hell yeah put that feature in and I'll be like, word! =D I'm happy :) |
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| 13:57.24 | ninjafury | guys, in kde4, I don't have a kderc file in /etc/kde4/kdm.... Any idea where I can find it? |
| 13:58.19 | Jucato | it depends where your distro installed it, but the default is `kde4-config --prefix`/share/config/kdm/ |
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| 14:00.10 | ninjafury | Jucato: hmm, well I'm using opensuse. Any idea on where it put it or how I can find out? |
| 14:00.28 | Jucato | I already did |
| 14:00.48 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.28 | ninjafury | Jucato: oops, tI get it now. |
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| 14:32.18 | evdvelde | what is the best kde tool for network configuration plz? (both wifi as wired) |
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| 14:40.22 | batcoder-7 | how do you guys like KDE 4 ? |
| 14:40.40 | evdvelde | i would like it better if i could get some answers here |
| 14:40.50 | _RedGhost_ | With caramelized onions and a good sauce |
| 14:41.01 | batcoder-7 | hmmm |
| 14:41.10 | batcoder-7 | i just tried it out for the first time today |
| 14:41.16 | batcoder-7 | i really liked kde 3 when it first came out |
| 14:41.24 | batcoder-7 | little iffy on kde 4 though |
| 14:41.32 | batcoder-7 | konq is stilll reallly broken |
| 14:42.15 | cb400f | evdvelde: first of all it's more of a distro-question, secondly, "best" depends, please tell me which car is the best one for everyone |
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| 14:42.47 | evdvelde | cb400f: of course... but at least i could end up with a couple of apps and pointers on why they are good |
| 14:42.54 | evdvelde | knetworkmanager is still KDE3 |
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| 14:43.24 | fschmitt | batcoder-7: For me 4.0 was unusable, 4.1 is better but still lacking stability and speed. |
| 14:43.41 | batcoder-7 | fschmitt: exactly what i am finding right now |
| 14:43.53 | batcoder-7 | are they working on that aspect or not ? |
| 14:44.14 | batcoder-7 | konq is really far out there |
| 14:44.22 | _RedGhost_ | I don't know, it's generally pretty fast... |
| 14:44.26 | batcoder-7 | that thing keeps lagging up my comp all the time and just today |
| 14:44.29 | evdvelde | strange thing anyway that there are so many less useful apps in the KDE suite and no good standard network management app |
| 14:45.19 | batcoder-7 | also it seems like the new qt4 widgets are somewhat un responsive |
| 14:45.33 | fschmitt | Can't say that. |
| 14:45.54 | evdvelde | it definetely uses more cpu, but luckily i have that :) |
| 14:45.57 | fschmitt | For me what is slow is SVG-stuff and those blend in fade out things. |
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| 14:46.20 | luke-jr | Any way to get KOrganizer 4 to work with KOrganizer 3 files? |
| 14:46.56 | evdvelde | luke-jr: they are compatible but i think you have to move the files manually |
| 14:47.10 | luke-jr | evdvelde: no, 4 handles timezones entirely different |
| 14:47.14 | luke-jr | and assumes files from 3 are in UTC |
| 14:47.41 | evdvelde | ow... did not have that problem when i moved... (CET here) |
| 14:47.44 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 14:47.53 | luke-jr | and bloats every single entry with timezone data |
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| 14:50.55 | batcoder-7 | fschmitt: its just like top level menu's take a extra bit to drop down for some reason |
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| 14:51.06 | batcoder-7 | my biggest complaint is konq |
| 14:51.20 | batcoder-7 | KHTML is really good but they still dont have konq usable |
| 14:51.39 | evdvelde | plasma is still rough too.. lacking necesary features and little useful plasmoids |
| 14:52.17 | evdvelde | heaven knows why you cannot remove a dashboard widget, if you can add one... one would think that the thought of implementing removal would have occurred to at least one developer :) |
| 14:52.28 | luke-jr | I'd like a quicklaunch |
| 14:52.41 | katastrophe | luke-jr its there |
| 14:52.49 | evdvelde | krunner is nice i think |
| 14:52.53 | katastrophe | somewhere on kde-apps.org |
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| 14:53.27 | luke-jr | katastrophe: official |
| 14:53.34 | luke-jr | Konsole is pure regression, too |
| 14:53.44 | evdvelde | luke-jr: what is the problem with using krunner? |
| 14:54.11 | evdvelde | and what regression in konsole? |
| 14:54.17 | _RedGhost_ | evdvelde: cannot remove a dashboard widget? |
| 14:54.24 | katastrophe | luke-jr you cant expect every plasmoid to be official, thats what plasmoids are for?? |
| 14:54.31 | evdvelde | show me the button _RedGhost_ :) |
| 14:54.37 | katastrophe | so other people can create small things |
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| 14:54.47 | evdvelde | i mean remove as delete from the system, not only from the screen |
| 14:54.48 | batcoder-7 | i wonder when kde 4.x will be really good ? |
| 14:54.51 | batcoder-7 | 4.5 ? |
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| 14:55.10 | _RedGhost_ | evdvelde: to remove a plasmoid? that's the small red cross you get when you mouseover... |
| 14:55.13 | evdvelde | batcoder-7: i am guessing 4.3.. with 4.2 getting close to really good :) |
| 14:55.34 | evdvelde | _RedGhost_: no... i mean delete from system, so you dont see it in the add widget box etc |
| 14:55.43 | batcoder-7 | i know im prolly the only one who thinks so but i think kde3 widgets are much more responsive |
| 14:55.57 | _RedGhost_ | evdvelde: ah, your phrasing was confusing |
| 14:56.12 | evdvelde | sry :) |
| 14:56.31 | batcoder-7 | also you guys like the new default theme ? |
| 14:56.34 | batcoder-7 | oxygen ? |
| 14:56.42 | icwiener | Does anyone else have a binary clock showing times like 68:83? |
| 14:56.49 | evdvelde | i love it in fact.. dont feel the need to change coming up soon |
| 14:56.53 | evdvelde | icwiener: no |
| 14:57.08 | _RedGhost_ | evdvelde: I don't have non-official plasmoid, but maybe you have a delete button for these? |
| 14:57.45 | _RedGhost_ | oxygen is pretty good - I could just live with slimmer titlebars and I'm not too fond of the scrollbars |
| 14:57.50 | evdvelde | i searched but did not find one |
| 14:58.05 | katastrophe | _RedGhost_ scrollbars changed recently |
| 14:58.27 | _RedGhost_ | in trunk? |
| 14:58.36 | katastrophe | yes |
| 14:58.43 | _RedGhost_ | ok |
| 14:58.47 | _RedGhost_ | in a good way? |
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| 14:59.25 | katastrophe | yes, i like them |
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| 14:59.32 | katastrophe | wait |
| 14:59.33 | irina_r | evdvelde: I have the utc problem too, how do I fix it, change each and every entry? |
| 14:59.50 | il_chitarrista | heloooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 15:00.05 | evdvelde | i dont know irina_r.. i did not have it when i switched (kde 4.1.0) |
| 15:00.11 | irina_r | I did it with one recurring event but that made it run after midnight UTC so it now occurs on two consecutive days |
| 15:00.35 | irina_r | (because it ends at 11 pm cet) |
| 15:00.56 | irina_r | so I kind of gave up and add two hours in my head :-) |
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| 15:01.21 | katastrophe | _RedGhost_ http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2008/10/power-of-team-work.html |
| 15:01.36 | il_chitarrista | Question:anyone tried to install macosx with linu installed???? |
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| 15:02.03 | _RedGhost_ | katastrophe: ah yes, that's much more tasty |
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| 15:03.09 | _RedGhost_ | much better than fake glassy |
| 15:03.36 | il_chitarrista | another question: i have problem with decorator in kde 4, anyone can help me? |
| 15:03.37 | batcoder-7 | wonder if i should stay with kde 4 right now hmmmmmmmmm |
| 15:04.15 | guax | wonders if still have coffe |
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| 15:04.39 | evdvelde | guax: coffee is always the good reflex ;) |
| 15:04.53 | guax | =) |
| 15:06.35 | il_chitarrista | have you a mandriva room on this server????????????????? |
| 15:06.49 | LjL | il_chitarrista: yes, imaginatively named #mandriva |
| 15:07.08 | il_chitarrista | now i try |
| 15:07.33 | il_chitarrista | yes thanx |
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| 15:09.14 | il_chitarrista | hey |
| 15:09.21 | il_chitarrista | i need yuor attention |
| 15:09.49 | il_chitarrista | i need to know how i can install software in mandriva |
| 15:10.17 | pinotree | as already told you, you have to ask in #mandriva |
| 15:10.24 | il_chitarrista | anyone can help me where to find a guide |
| 15:10.35 | irina_r | ask in #mandriva! |
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| 15:11.13 | irina_r | they'll be much more likely to know than this very mixed group |
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| 15:15.41 | mitko_ | Can I set my editor to view files internally in konqueror (instead of kate) |
| 15:16.05 | katastrophe | which editor? |
| 15:16.37 | Moult | what's this i hear about kate embedding vim? |
| 15:17.12 | katastrophe | Moult its there in trunk |
| 15:19.28 | mitko_ | katastrophe: vim |
| 15:20.07 | katastrophe | mitko_ only if you have kde 4.2 snapshot or trunk |
| 15:20.47 | mitko_ | katastrophe: I see. Thx |
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| 15:29.32 | localh0st | Hello |
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| 15:29.52 | localh0st | I'm using KDE 4.1.2 and i have enabled composite |
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| 15:30.26 | localh0st | When i try start up my super karamba themes, i see black bacl backgorund of this widgetsd |
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| 15:37.21 | Moult | katastrophe: awesome |
| 15:37.39 | Moult | can somebody help me understand why, when konqueror was a file browser, somebody decided to make dolphin? |
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| 15:38.24 | katastrophe | because somebody likes dolphin :) |
| 15:38.36 | Moult | katastrophe: any better answer? |
| 15:38.41 | localh0st | Moult: becouse Konqueror is slowly |
| 15:39.07 | localh0st | And its web browswer, so if you want you can use Konqueror qt4 on kde 4 too by file banager |
| 15:39.22 | localh0st | manager |
| 15:39.22 | katastrophe | well dolphin has another focus, for the semantic desktop stuff |
| 15:39.28 | katastrophe | and nothing got lost |
| 15:40.00 | Moult | i understood about 30% of that |
| 15:40.05 | Moult | can you guys rephrase it please? |
| 15:40.18 | jazka | and *nix is all about freedom of choise, someone likes konqueror, some dolphin..you're not tied to exploder or such |
| 15:40.26 | jazka | explorer* |
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| 15:41.14 | Moult | jazka: so it was just to provide an alternative? |
| 15:41.52 | jazka | I don't know about that |
| 15:42.18 | katastrophe | Moult and you still can use konqueror for file management |
| 15:42.55 | Moult | i'm not saying i prefer one over another, i just want to know why they decided to make another file manager |
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| 15:43.38 | katastrophe | i dont know if it would have been too hard to integrate nepomuk into konqueror |
| 15:43.57 | katastrophe | it still hasnt the functionality, but dolphin has |
| 15:45.25 | _RedGhost_ | it's not like you can do much with nepomuk yet |
| 15:45.45 | _RedGhost_ | you can tag stuff, but there's no way of finding stuff by tag yet, as far as I know |
| 15:46.40 | katastrophe | i still didnt look into it |
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| 15:56.12 | Moult | katastrophe: what's nepomuk? |
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| 16:28.43 | zanberdo | I'm running kde 3.5.9 on gentoo and have installed kopete. I don't appear to have spell checking available and was hoping someone on this channel might be familiar enough with gentoo to know if this is a use flag issue, or if I'm missing some addon? |
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| 16:29.11 | White_Pelican | I am familiar with it |
| 16:29.16 | White_Pelican | it's a PITA |
| 16:30.01 | zanberdo | ah |
| 16:30.25 | zanberdo | so not worth pursueing then? Maybe I should abandon kopete for another client, such as pidgin? |
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| 16:30.50 | White_Pelican | they both have their "challenges* |
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| 16:31.27 | White_Pelican | use whichever suits your needs |
| 16:33.06 | zanberdo | well, honestly I prefer kopete. I have need of it's group IM capabilities as we all use IM in the office. I'm the only one using linux, but that not withstanding, group messaging is a must. |
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| 16:33.32 | White_Pelican | the pain about kopete, especilly with spell check is, you have to turn off rtf each time for each person you chat with |
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| 16:35.27 | zanberdo | sorry, rtf? |
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| 16:36.09 | White_Pelican | Rich Text Format |
| 16:36.25 | zanberdo | that's what I thought but I wasn't aware that kopete used rtf. |
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| 16:36.32 | zanberdo | ignorant |
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| 16:37.58 | zanberdo | ok, so assuming I'd be willing to turn off rtf (which honestly I don't know how to do!) and I wanted spell checking, I take it it's not as simple a matter as adding a USE flag... this I've already searched for but the obvious one, such as spell, is not visible. |
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| 16:38.17 | White_Pelican | it's not global |
| 16:38.22 | White_Pelican | that's the issue |
| 16:38.49 | Nece228 | wheres kde 4.2 alpha ;( |
| 16:38.52 | zanberdo | hmmm.. come to think of it, I don't think konversation has spell checking enabled either... |
| 16:39.53 | Nece228 | ;((((((( |
| 16:40.09 | Nece228 | do you know that theres kde 4.1.79 already? |
| 16:40.31 | Nece228 | one guy said that kde 4.1.79 is the fastest desktop since xp |
| 16:40.48 | Nece228 | if kde will be faster then cool |
| 16:41.00 | Nece228 | *will be faster than xp |
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| 16:41.51 | _RedGhost_ | there's 4.1.2 already... |
| 16:42.12 | Nece228 | theres 4.1.79 already |
| 16:42.18 | Nece228 | its pre alpha of kde 4.2 |
| 16:42.35 | Nece228 | but only developers have this version |
| 16:42.39 | MrRat | Nece228: afaik 4.1.71 is latest svn |
| 16:43.23 | MrRat | Version 4.1.71 (KDE 4.1.71 (KDE 4.2 >= 20081023)) |
| 16:43.36 | MrRat | granted I havent restarted kde since I built yesterday |
| 16:44.17 | Nece228 | MrRat: omg |
| 16:44.19 | Nece228 | :D |
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| 16:44.22 | Nece228 | XD |
| 16:44.28 | Nece228 | :] |
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| 16:44.38 | Nece228 | ;] |
| 16:44.45 | Nece228 | :} |
| 16:44.51 | Nece228 | :P |
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| 16:47.47 | beomuex | windows 7: http://www.heise.de/bilderstrecke/bild/510/1 |
| 16:48.31 | beomuex | looks like a hilarious try to imitate kde |
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| 16:50.07 | Nece228 | i think kde copied from windows |
| 16:50.52 | _RedGhost_ | It's a bit disingenous if you just mean the applets on the desktop |
| 16:50.52 | Nece228 | do you know that today there should be kde 4.2 released? |
| 16:50.59 | Nece228 | kde 4.2 alpha |
| 16:51.00 | _RedGhost_ | Mac OS has had that for years |
| 16:51.02 | pinotree | Nece228: there won't be |
| 16:51.17 | pinotree | beomuex: windows stuff goes to ##windows, not here, thanks |
| 16:51.20 | Nece228 | why? |
| 16:51.33 | Nece228 | its scheduled |
| 16:51.38 | pinotree | no more |
| 16:51.47 | _RedGhost_ | suggests #trash for windows stuff instead... |
| 16:51.50 | pinotree | it is a developer snapshot, and we do snapshots already |
| 16:51.52 | Nece228 | give me new schedule |
| 16:52.02 | thiago_home | it'll be out when it's ready |
| 16:52.04 | thiago_home | that's the schedule |
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| 16:52.14 | Nece228 | what a schedule lmao |
| 16:52.16 | pinotree | what for? next "release" is kde 4.2beta1 |
| 16:52.26 | thiago_home | Nece228: that's really how it works. No kidding. |
| 16:52.27 | Nece228 | ill go to job when ill be ready |
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| 16:52.32 | thiago_home | any dates that you see are indicative only |
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| 16:52.41 | thiago_home | we may move around as needed to fit our own definition of "ready" |
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| 16:53.11 | drowe | hi all. Testing out 4.1.2 with Kubuntu. Can I configure the Desktop plasmoid to show more than 4-5 characters on the icon text? |
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| 17:08.39 | Gentle | drools over the KDE4 desktop effects <3 |
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| 17:09.03 | Gentle | this doesn't happen often but I'd like to apologise for any anti-kde4 rants I have started in this channel ;) |
| 17:09.20 | Kraplax_yipeee | hi everyone |
| 17:09.47 | Kraplax_yipeee | does anyone know where did knetworkmanager4 source go? |
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| 17:14.35 | bique_a | hello, i am looking for help with qmake. I did a custom target and i want to make it "never up to date" like .PHONY with makefile. Can you help me ? http://github.com/babali/arora/tree/master/arora.pro Thanks. |
| 17:14.40 | jthomas | Any way to set up Konqueror so that a middle-click upens in a new tab rather than a new window, for both web and file browsing? (KDE 3.5.9 on Debian Lenny) |
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| 17:19.09 | Nece228 | and remember |
| 17:19.14 | Nece228 | the dog is everythink! |
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| 17:21.43 | kriko | I need some help - my krunner looks badly themed: http://shrani.si/f/1B/UX/3o2fLckt/krunner.png |
| 17:21.43 | kriko | this doesn't happen if I start a new account. Where could the problem derive from |
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| 17:27.56 | shinao1 | hi... what happened to the search bar in kde4's konqueror, and how do i get it back please, if possible? |
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| 17:31.15 | thiago_home | shinao1: enable the plugin |
| 17:32.04 | shinao1 | how to, please? ive been searching all over konqueror's configs and i cant seem to find it.. this is mandriva2009 im using |
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| 17:37.36 | nanothief | is there a way to make konqueror (kde 4.1) open a pdf in the current window, instead of creating a new window? |
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| 17:42.01 | nanothief | nevermind, I figured it out |
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| 17:49.01 | shinao1 | how did you do it, nanothief ? |
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| 17:50.31 | nanothief | shinao1, configure konqueror -> File management -> file accociations -> found pdf -> embedding tab -> show file in embedded viewer |
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| 17:50.53 | shinao1 | thank you |
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| 17:55.56 | Kraplax_yipeee | i'm truying to compile a knetworkmanager with cmake. it can't find MacroEnsureVersion and fails to configure. any idea how do i get it? |
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| 17:56.24 | Kraplax_yipeee | actually i already have that file, thoug cmake doesn't see it somehow |
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| 18:00.41 | Bille | Kraplax_yipeee: what svn directory exactly are you cmaking? |
| 18:05.38 | Kraplax_yipeee | Bille: well, once it was svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/utils/knetworkmanager4 |
| 18:06.04 | Kraplax_yipeee | though its been moved for now i guess |
| 18:06.27 | Bille | Kraplax_yipeee: i deleted it |
| 18:06.38 | Bille | Kraplax_yipeee: look in playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager |
| 18:06.41 | Kraplax_yipeee | Bille: oh... so you're the dev? |
| 18:06.43 | Kraplax_yipeee | ok |
| 18:06.56 | Bille | Kraplax_yipeee: guilty as charged |
| 18:07.03 | Kraplax_yipeee | :) |
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| 18:10.02 | Kraplax_yipeee | Bille: so, knetworkmanager now is a plasmoid or is it still a standalone app? |
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| 18:10.39 | Bille | Kraplax_yipeee: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3713 |
| 18:11.23 | cuci | Hi folks! I'm trying to compile plasma-workspace from svn and it fails with /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.3.1/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lNOTFOUND |
| 18:11.28 | cuci | any quick hints about it? |
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| 18:12.08 | Bille | cuci: read the cmake output more closely |
| 18:12.27 | Bille | looks like a library name was set to NOTFOUND by cmake to indicate that it was missing |
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| 18:13.14 | cuci | Bille: but that is the entire error after that I have only:collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [lib/plasma_applet_systemtray.so] Error 1 |
| 18:13.43 | Bille | cuci: read the _cmake_ output more closely |
| 18:14.00 | Bille | will use caps next ;) |
| 18:14.14 | cuci | I'm trying :) |
| 18:14.23 | Bille | cuci: make is not cmake |
| 18:15.06 | cuci | Bille: is this it?http://rafb.net/p/ZabDnK53.html |
| 18:15.45 | Kraplax_yipeee | Bille: i entered svn-copy, made "cmake ." and it said it's done. then i typed make but nithing happened. |
| 18:15.45 | Bille | cuci: no, that is some gentoo stuff |
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| 18:16.41 | Bille | Kraplax_yipeee: cmake in playground/base/plasma |
| 18:16.49 | Bille | Kraplax_yipeee: and use srcdir != builddir |
| 18:17.04 | Kraplax_yipeee | ok |
| 18:17.18 | Bille | i guess you just want to try it out? |
| 18:17.39 | Kraplax_yipeee | yes. i'm tired of knetworkmanager3 |
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| 18:18.11 | Bille | Kraplax_yipeee: it's very alpha |
| 18:18.26 | Kraplax_yipeee | Bille: i know, but still :P |
| 18:18.54 | cuci | Bille: apart from some warnings at compile time everything seems to be fine.... |
| 18:19.07 | cuci | no explicit error something .... |
| 18:19.14 | Bille | cuci: so when you did "cmake" there were no warnings about libs not found? |
| 18:19.28 | Bille | or other prerequisites? |
| 18:19.35 | cuci | about some optional packages yes |
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| 18:19.44 | Kraplax_yipeee | Bille: so, i've cheked out the svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager, right? |
| 18:20.07 | Bille | Kraplax_yipeee: i'd take the whole plasma dir above it |
| 18:20.07 | cuci | from test it also fails to find getpeereid and Check size of struct ucred - failed, but everything else looks in place... |
| 18:20.12 | DrSlony | Help, when I open an mp3 link from konqueror (I set it up to use smplayer) then I click on "Open with smplayer", the mp3 downloads, and then nothing happens. |
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| 18:22.23 | Bille | DrSlony: what did you put in the file association you created for smplayer? |
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| 18:22.34 | DrSlony | smplayer %F |
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| 18:23.13 | Bille | DrSlony: try smplayer |
| 18:23.16 | driva2009 | Hi all. Been referred here from ##linux - can I possibly find a way to disable the mouseover boxes on the kde 4.1 taskbar? |
| 18:23.17 | Bille | DrSlony: try smplayer \ |
| 18:23.29 | cuci | Bille: QEdje,xmms, nepomuk and google gadgets were the optional packages not found |
| 18:23.33 | DrSlony | "smplayer \" ? |
| 18:23.38 | Bille | driva2009: wait, irc is substituting away % U |
| 18:23.43 | Bille | DrSlony: ^ |
| 18:23.54 | DrSlony | errr |
| 18:23.54 | Bille | DrSlony: "percentU" with no space before it |
| 18:23.56 | DrSlony | again |
| 18:23.58 | DrSlony | ok |
| 18:24.09 | DrSlony | so "smplayer %U" |
| 18:24.12 | Bille | yes :) |
| 18:24.29 | DrSlony | what would U mean? |
| 18:24.33 | Bille | i can't remember OTOMH what all those codes are, but that is what amarok has |
| 18:24.35 | Bille | Url |
| 18:24.39 | DrSlony | F is probably file |
| 18:24.45 | DrSlony | ok |
| 18:24.51 | Kraplax_yipeee | U is a list of files |
| 18:24.59 | Kraplax_yipeee | while u is just one file |
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| 18:25.12 | Kraplax_yipeee | DrSlony: ^^^ |
| 18:25.20 | Bille | cuci: dunno then. try gentoo kde folks since you are building with their tools |
| 18:25.22 | DrSlony | good! |
| 18:25.30 | Bille | DrSlony: working now? |
| 18:25.33 | DrSlony | it now opens smplayer immediately without downloading it first, i prefer it this way |
| 18:25.35 | DrSlony | thanks :) |
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| 18:28.13 | katastrophe | Moult nepomuk is the framework for the semantic desktop, that means you can attach additional information to files, mails and so on like a rating, categories and stuff, for example you can tag by whom you got a picture |
| 18:28.29 | driva2009 | anyone know where i can access the rc files from kde4? i am gonna fmurple the mouseover manually since i can't find it in GUI |
| 18:29.36 | Gentle | hm, now that you started explaining what some KDE4 apps are there for, what exactly is Akonadi? It's a tray icon that is not exactly explanative towards me :o |
| 18:30.55 | Bille | driva2009: try right clicking in an empty part of the taskbar. i'm on trunk, but in the 'Taskbar settings' there is a 'Show tooltips' setting. it might be there in 4.1 |
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| 18:31.30 | katastrophe | Gentle perhaps i find a good documentation :) let me see |
| 18:32.10 | Bille | Gentle: storage service for your PIM data, mail, contacts, calendars. |
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| 18:32.37 | Gentle | Bille: store where and why, though? |
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| 18:33.24 | katastrophe | where: in a database, mysql currently |
| 18:33.28 | Bille | Gentle: in a database. because it's more efficient than each program that needs to access PIM data from disk having its own lib for doing it |
| 18:33.48 | katastrophe | and you should be able to access the database remote |
| 18:33.49 | driva2009 | Bille: not there...can this be done from within an rc file? |
| 18:33.53 | Bille | Gentle: i should point out, the database is on your local session |
| 18:34.05 | katastrophe | (not tested yet) |
| 18:34.11 | Bille | driva2009: lemme check |
| 18:34.49 | Bille | katastrophe: remote access to the akonadi db process is theoretically possible, and even attractive if you wanted for example to make an efficient KDE 4 thin client |
| 18:35.14 | Gentle | Bille: so, in theory, I could ask Akonadi to give me every contact I know that starts with A, and it returns some list, or do I access the database while akonadi is there for inserting the data from kaddressbook into the db? |
| 18:35.16 | Bille | but it's not happening soon |
| 18:35.35 | Bille | Gentle: yes |
| 18:35.49 | katastrophe | Bille in trunk you can set it in the config :p |
| 18:35.53 | Gentle | to both parts I guess? ;) |
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| 18:36.02 | katastrophe | in the gui i mean |
| 18:36.14 | Bille | Gentle: there is a client library for apps to use to access data and do that kind of qury |
| 18:36.17 | ArShAm | Hi |
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| 18:36.42 | Bille | Gentle: kaddressbook etc are being rewritten to use akonadi instead of the old system |
| 18:36.47 | ArShAm | how can I hide some items of the system tray? |
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| 18:37.33 | Bille | driva2009: argh, you got me to try and start a 2nd x session, which causes an intel driver bug, and my screen is now frozen. |
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| 18:37.59 | driva2009 | Oh shoot. |
| 18:38.15 | driva2009 | Whatabout killing X on the second display from a tty, Bille ? |
| 18:38.29 | joeda | hello everybody |
| 18:38.33 | Bille | driva2009: just done that. but my dev session is now up in smoke |
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| 18:38.48 | driva2009 | oh cobblers... That ain't good |
| 18:38.54 | Bille | shit happens. |
| 18:40.29 | joeda | I have a problem with using workspaces on kde 4.1.2 on arch linux |
| 18:40.47 | driva2009 | faeces venio, Bille. Vos mos adepto super is. |
| 18:40.58 | joeda | I can't assign a mouse button to switch to the next/previous workspaces |
| 18:41.10 | Bille | driva2009: ok, the good news is there is a hidden config for showing tooltips |
| 18:41.17 | driva2009 | woohoo! |
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| 18:41.26 | joeda | worked great in compiz or fluxbox |
| 18:41.28 | Bille | driva2009: the bad news is it is wrapped in an #ifdef, so you may not have it |
| 18:41.36 | driva2009 | oh shoot. |
| 18:41.41 | joeda | any ideas how to make this happen? |
| 18:41.44 | Bille | driva2009: look in ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc |
| 18:41.47 | driva2009 | nothing in the rc files, Bille? |
| 18:41.53 | driva2009 | oh right. no prob |
| 18:41.57 | driva2009 | that is in an rc file |
| 18:41.59 | Bille | look for a group that refers to a 'tasks' applet |
| 18:42.07 | driva2009 | biab |
| 18:42.14 | Bille | driva2009: and then add a showTooltip=false there |
| 18:42.23 | driva2009 | whoO! Thanks! |
| 18:42.32 | Bille | driva2009: oh and you should kill plasma manually, edit the file, then restart it |
| 18:42.45 | Bille | and don't blame me if it makes your plasma crash forever after |
| 18:43.08 | driva2009 | no prob. First rule of coding: Note what you screw with so you can repair it later... |
| 18:43.14 | Bille | joeda: mouse wheel on the pager applet switches workspace |
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| 18:43.54 | Gentle | hm, is it just me or are tray icons sometimes not redrawn properly? 2 of 9 icons are currently black squares, sometimes more sometimes less |
| 18:44.00 | Gentle | (4.1.2) |
| 18:44.10 | joeda | Bille: yeah i know but i want assign a mouse button to switch them whrerever my mouse is |
| 18:45.03 | joeda | Bille: like a shortcut key, just with special mouse buttons |
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| 18:45.12 | Bille | joeda: you can do it with alt or meta and mousewheel, best i can offer atm |
| 18:45.47 | joeda | Bille: ok thank you very much |
| 18:46.26 | Bille | joeda: systemsettings->window behaviour->window actions |
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| 18:46.50 | agentdenton | hello there |
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| 18:48.34 | agentdenton | I've set up a kde desktop slideshow through the usual desktop settings window, but the old background image is stuck and won't go away. In a word there is no slideshow, just the image I had before wanting to put up a slideshow. I've logged out and in too. didn't help. any suggestions? |
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| 18:48.51 | agentdenton | *in a nutshell |
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| 19:03.51 | wgray | help |
| 19:04.05 | ArShAm | how can I hide some items of the system tray? |
| 19:04.21 | magyar_ | hi, how can i change firefox to be the default handler for html requests instead of Konqueror |
| 19:04.22 | magyar_ | ? |
| 19:04.37 | ArShAm | magyar, go to system settings |
| 19:04.48 | jazka | ArShAm: kde4? |
| 19:04.51 | DagasWolf | that would be in "Default Settings" in Gnome |
| 19:05.00 | ArShAm | in default application , change it |
| 19:05.09 | ArShAm | jazka, kde4 , yes |
| 19:05.17 | jazka | ArShAm: I don't think it's possible yet |
| 19:05.25 | ArShAm | ok , thanks |
| 19:05.30 | ArShAm | another question |
| 19:05.37 | jazka | not sure of trunk tho |
| 19:05.44 | ArShAm | the konqueror is getting crazy!! |
| 19:05.53 | agentdenton | lol |
| 19:06.08 | ArShAm | when I click on home button , it never shows the local stuff , just the web stuff |
| 19:06.17 | ArShAm | otherwise its fine |
| 19:06.24 | ArShAm | have you seen this before? |
| 19:06.25 | agentdenton | that's because of all the drinking you're feeding it |
| 19:06.38 | ArShAm | I didn't drink it , I smoked it |
| 19:06.55 | agentdenton | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:07.09 | ArShAm | stuff means the folders and files |
| 19:07.09 | agentdenton | you mean it takes on a web interface? |
| 19:07.15 | __phil__ | waves hi to all |
| 19:07.20 | ArShAm | no . local folders |
| 19:07.25 | agentdenton | well you set up the home page as you please |
| 19:07.37 | ArShAm | I did it , but nothing happened |
| 19:07.45 | agentdenton | if it points to a remote web address then that's gonna be it |
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| 19:07.53 | ArShAm | I changed the home page to /home/myusername/ |
| 19:07.57 | __phil__ | does anybody know where I can find an add-on for kde4 dolphin that'll calculate the md5 for a file? |
| 19:08.03 | agentdenton | did you put it back to ~ |
| 19:08.04 | agentdenton | mmh |
| 19:08.14 | agentdenton | doesn't work? |
| 19:08.27 | agentdenton | oh wait you're on kde4? ah sorry |
| 19:08.30 | agentdenton | don't know anything about it |
| 19:08.45 | agentdenton | I'll be quiet :) |
| 19:08.48 | ArShAm | ok , after the click , I change the address bar to a local address , but the content is the default |
| 19:09.01 | magyar_ | thanks ArShAm |
| 19:09.14 | ArShAm | magyar, your welcome |
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| 19:13.57 | ArShAm | how can I change the notifications fonts, of gtk applications? |
| 19:14.06 | ArShAm | its aweful and drives me mad |
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| 19:22.47 | cee | is there any frontend to desktop search in kde4? |
| 19:25.10 | Bille | cee: beineri is supposed to be porting kerry to be an xesam frontend |
| 19:25.37 | Bille | cee: and vandenoever showed some prototype that looked similar, but i don't think it was ever released. |
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| 19:26.53 | cee | hm.. okai |
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| 19:29.29 | lyhana | Hi, does KDE4 will allow desktop management (icons) in the same way of previous KDE(3) version ? |
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| 19:30.59 | katastrophe | not yet officially lyhana, its possible but then you will loose your wallpaper iirc |
| 19:31.17 | lyhana | I don't want to loose the ability to place my icons as i want on my desktop. I use a semantic-spatial placement strategie, and i'm not sure to be able to do this with KDE4 |
| 19:31.47 | katastrophe | ah you mean that... no idea |
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| 19:35.13 | RingtailedFox | how do i get my scanners to work in linux? |
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| 19:37.24 | thiago | lyhana: KDE 4.2 |
| 19:37.33 | lyhana | Katastrophe: at the botttom of this pics you'll see on the left/right to « group » of icons spatially-semantically related |
| 19:37.34 | lyhana | http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=n2bdyc&s=4 |
| 19:38.22 | lyhana | Thiago: when does KDE4.2 is planned to be released ? |
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| 19:38.59 | thiago | lyhana: January |
| 19:40.15 | lyhana | Thiago: where did you find this information? |
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| 19:40.52 | picca_ | http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule |
| 19:41.00 | thiago | http://www.google.com/search?q=kde 4.2 release schedule |
| 19:41.05 | kriko | which soprano backend is better sesame or redland? |
| 19:41.05 | thiago | which points to that page |
| 19:41.11 | thiago | kriko: the Java one |
| 19:41.17 | kriko | java one? |
| 19:41.27 | katastrophe | sesame |
| 19:41.49 | jthomas | Any way to set up Konqueror so that a middle-click upens in a new tab rather than a new window, for both web and file browsing? (KDE 3.5.9 on Debian Lenny) |
| 19:42.00 | thiago | jthomas: yes |
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| 19:42.21 | thiago | somewhere in Configure Konqueror. Probably in Web Behaviour. |
| 19:42.36 | jthomas | i've look but will look again, thanks thiago |
| 19:42.55 | jthomas | wow that was easy to find |
| 19:42.58 | jthomas | hmm |
| 19:43.03 | jthomas | how did i miss it? |
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| 19:43.55 | lyhana | I thought current KDE4 apps are backward to the same apps under KDE3, it's an misconception or not ? |
| 19:44.08 | thiago | it's not |
| 19:44.12 | Alumin | Is there any way to have KDE (or specifically, the screensaver, I guess) run a command when the screen wakes up? (KDE 3.5.8 as packaged by Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy) |
| 19:44.18 | thiago | KDE 4 apps load KDE 3 settings just fine |
| 19:44.29 | thiago | but they upgrade those settings, so you can't run KDE 3 on them anymore |
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| 19:44.35 | litb | hello mates |
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| 19:45.29 | lyhana | Thiago: i'm talking about apps features such as kopete and gwenview that seem to have lost many useful features. |
| 19:45.40 | thiago | they are compatible |
| 19:45.45 | thiago | but no one said anything about feature-parity |
| 19:45.55 | thiago | we will never achieve feature parity, nor do we want to |
| 19:46.10 | Alumin | why not? |
| 19:46.22 | hoban | hey all. any way to get music directories to change their icons to match album art? |
| 19:46.25 | thiago | because we don't want to |
| 19:46.33 | lyhana | Thiago: what's feature-parity ? |
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| 19:46.46 | thiago | some features are useless, some others are too complex to implement again, some others are best replaced with other features |
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| 19:47.14 | Alumin | useless is in the eye of the beholder :) |
| 19:47.41 | lyhana | Do you know about the gwenview project ? |
| 19:47.48 | Alumin | but yeah, if it's a question of the logistics of (re)creating the code, then I could see where that makes sense |
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| 19:50.05 | Alumin | I'm just nervous to hear you say that because the thing I always liked about KDE was the fact that it seemed unwilling to sacrifice power and flexibility for "a streamlined interface" |
| 19:50.28 | Alumin | which in my mind is just a euphemism for "taking features out so as to avoid confusing the casual user" |
| 19:50.34 | thiago | I didn't say anything on that area |
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| 19:51.02 | thiago | I'm not advocating removing features because they are confusing |
| 19:51.14 | thiago | but instead, if they are confusing, they should be cleaned up so that they are no longer confusing |
| 19:51.29 | thiago | what I said is that we should get rid of useless features |
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| 19:52.16 | ninjafury | my sound card's digital output is muted by default, and I have to open Kmix and unmute it to get audio. Anyway to make this the default? |
| 19:52.25 | lyhana | Hope they'll improve quickly. |
| 19:52.28 | Alumin | that's a noble goal (as long as you don't take out any of the features I use, hehe) |
| 19:52.47 | lyhana | I agreed with Alumin ;P |
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| 19:54.47 | ffws|hathe | any dev of kdebluetooth4 here? having trouble compiling it... |
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| 19:56.06 | thiago | ffws|hathe: try #kde-devel |
| 19:56.37 | ffws|hathe | thiago: thanks |
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| 20:03.32 | lyhana | Thx thiago, bye. |
| 20:03.49 | thiago | bye |
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| 20:17.21 | karthikp | Anyone here use tightvnc? |
| 20:17.36 | thiago | I've used it in the past |
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| 20:17.58 | karthikp | I'm not sure if I need to do something in kdmrc to get a greeter |
| 20:18.14 | thiago | kdm and VNC aren't the same thing |
| 20:18.22 | thiago | kdm shows a greeter for XDMCP connections |
| 20:18.27 | thiago | if XDMCP is enabled |
| 20:18.34 | karthikp | Right. But startkde gives me a solid color screen |
| 20:18.51 | karthikp | xdmcp != vnc? |
| 20:19.08 | karthikp | (*newbie to this*) |
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| 20:19.58 | thiago | XDMCP is the protocol that kdm/xdm/gdm use to expose an X client |
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| 20:20.08 | thiago | that's what the X server uses when you tell it to -query or -broadcast |
| 20:20.18 | karthikp | Okay. That makes sense. |
| 20:20.20 | thiago | it has nothing to do with VNC. In fact, it predates VNC for several years. |
| 20:20.36 | karthikp | So, when I start vnc, I start a nem session of X |
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| 20:20.44 | karthikp | new* |
| 20:21.04 | thiago | where does tightvnc come into play? |
| 20:21.18 | thiago | you need a VNC server somewhere and I have no clue about those. |
| 20:21.44 | karthikp | I would like to see a login screen when I connect to localhost:5901 |
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| 20:22.08 | katoda | Hi, does anybody have KDE 4.1.2 and KHotKeys working? |
| 20:22.08 | karthikp | Instead, I just get a blank X screen |
| 20:22.13 | nick01 | where do I configure fonts for kde ? (not the font installer) |
| 20:22.19 | thiago | karthikp: khotkeys doesn't work. |
| 20:22.24 | thiago | nick01: systemsettings |
| 20:22.25 | thiago | erm |
| 20:22.30 | thiago | katoda: khotkeys doesn't work. |
| 20:22.32 | nick01 | thiago: where ? |
| 20:22.49 | katoda | nick01: appearance -> fonts |
| 20:22.51 | karthikp | If I add startkde & to the xstartup script, the mouse cursor looks different. |
| 20:22.54 | thiago | nick01: appearance |
| 20:23.01 | karthikp | I still get a blank screen. |
| 20:23.21 | nick01 | thefish: katoda oh, tks |
| 20:23.38 | katoda | thiago: do you know how can I add a keyboard shortcut to firefox when KHotKeys doesn't work? |
| 20:23.40 | karthikp | So, I figured it might have something to do with the kdmrc file |
| 20:23.52 | thiago | katoda: nowhere. |
| 20:23.57 | thiago | that's khotkeys's job |
| 20:24.10 | csh | hello, is there a way in KDE4 to move one maximized window to another screen (keep it maxmized)? |
| 20:24.24 | katoda | thiago: do you know when khotkeys will be working? ;) |
| 20:24.31 | thiago | csh: unmaximise, move, maximise again |
| 20:24.38 | thiago | katoda: no. |
| 20:24.44 | thiago | it doesn't get much attention... |
| 20:24.57 | csh | thiago: yeah, i know that one, but i thought there might be a "more efficient" method |
| 20:24.58 | karthikp | csh: If you use Desktop Grid, you can right(or middle) click and make windows appear on all desktops |
| 20:25.21 | katoda | csh: I have a shortcut that moves one window to another desktop /if I understand right what do you want/ |
| 20:25.31 | katoda | and it moves maximized window |
| 20:25.35 | thiago | csh: I think you can move windows by dragging them on the page |
| 20:25.36 | thiago | pager |
| 20:25.40 | csh | katoda: it's not about desktiops but screens |
| 20:25.41 | karthikp | So, trigger Desktop Grid, right click, right click in the new desktop... |
| 20:25.46 | karthikp | Ah |
| 20:26.07 | katoda | plasma screens? |
| 20:26.12 | csh | nope, monitors |
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| 20:26.41 | katoda | ok, understand :) |
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| 20:28.04 | csh | so apparently there's no feature of that kind? coz that'd be rocking, to have a "right click on the windowbar -> move to screen X" kind of menu |
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| 20:30.25 | katoda | ok, gtg |
| 20:30.43 | katoda | bye and thanks for help :) |
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| 20:42.04 | BleSS | which software do you use to ripper an audio cd? soundkonverter, kaudiocreator, or another? |
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| 20:42.13 | Kebianizao | Hello |
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| 20:42.57 | Kebianizao | could anyone confirm or refute that lo interface is needed to be up for kde? |
| 20:43.46 | passwd | http://pwds.private.lt |
| 20:44.04 | W_S | Kebianizao: for x.org i think |
| 20:44.04 | BleSS | Kebianizao: lo is loopback and I think that it's necessary for the system |
| 20:44.06 | passwd | http://pwds.private.lt |
| 20:44.50 | Kebianizao | W_S: I think that X will come up without it (at least kdm starts) |
| 20:45.22 | Kebianizao | BleSS: I also think so, but I'm looking for a definate answer from anyone that is sure, and possible has a rationale for it |
| 20:46.08 | BleSS | Kebianizao: then it would be best that you question on #linux or #debian |
| 20:46.38 | Kebianizao | BleSS: :) why? I'm asking a kde question |
| 20:47.04 | BleSS | because there any guys with great knowledge |
| 20:47.13 | gkiagia | Kebianizao: I am pretty sure kde3 needs lo, but I can't officially confirm it |
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| 20:47.46 | gkiagia | I've never seen the code, I just know that once kde3 didn't work because lo was down |
| 20:47.55 | gkiagia | on my computer |
| 20:47.59 | Kebianizao | gkiagia: yeah! indeed is something that most ppl know but noone is able to confirm |
| 20:48.08 | Kebianizao | gkiagia: I'm in your same situation |
| 20:48.23 | gkiagia | I think dcop uses it |
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| 20:49.17 | Kebianizao | gkiagia: I think more than 3 opinions for having lo up is enough in this case: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405965 |
| 20:49.21 | Kebianizao | thanks all |
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| 21:04.11 | schiv | is there a way to disable transparency for the (kicker/panel) bar? |
| 21:04.28 | thiago | just for kicker? |
| 21:05.23 | schiv | thiago: yep..as long as i enable effects the kicker (i believe now it's just called a panel plasma in kde4) has transparency by default |
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| 21:05.43 | thiago | I meant plasma, yueah |
| 21:05.50 | thiago | select a theme that is opaque |
| 21:06.51 | schiv | hmm no matter which theme i pick it's always transparent |
| 21:07.07 | thiago | 100% transparent? |
| 21:07.43 | schiv | nono..what i want is to make it 100% opaque |
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| 21:08.23 | gkiagia | it will become opaque if you turn off desktop effects |
| 21:08.39 | mschnee | That isn't configurable (yet) but some themes have opaque taskbars- Arezzo I think is one of those. |
| 21:08.53 | schiv | ahh I see..ok thanks |
| 21:09.00 | thiago | I meant: is it 100% transparent no matter what you select? |
| 21:09.04 | thiago | or just some different levels of transparency? |
| 21:09.26 | schiv | thiago: nah it's normal just wanted to know if it was configurable |
| 21:09.35 | thiago | it is dependent on the theme |
| 21:09.40 | thiago | the theme decides how transparent it is |
| 21:09.44 | mschnee | Transparancy in plasma themes is, I believe, part of the theme itself and is not yet configurable. |
| 21:10.06 | schiv | yes now it makes sense..will try the Arezzo theme |
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| 21:11.12 | thiago | s/not yet/not/ |
| 21:11.18 | thiago | there's no plan to make it configurable at all |
| 21:11.23 | thiago | the theme decides and that's it, period. |
| 21:11.29 | eNTi | hi. is there a vpn client for kde4? |
| 21:11.37 | thiago | eNTi: vpnc works just fine in kde4 |
| 21:11.41 | thiago | it's not graphical :-) |
| 21:11.56 | eNTi | :) |
| 21:11.58 | gkiagia | kvpnc |
| 21:12.09 | eNTi | yeah i'm trying to get it to compile... |
| 21:12.10 | gkiagia | (for kde3...) |
| 21:12.41 | mschnee | Ah, I didn't realize that. I know a couple plasma themes can use system theme colors, I figured that they could also grab opacity information as well at some point. |
| 21:13.01 | thiago | you can disable transparency completely by disabling the desktop effects |
| 21:13.10 | thiago | but that disables all transparencies, everywhere. |
| 21:14.22 | mschnee | And honestly, right now kwin's compositing performance is realyl bad :( |
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| 21:15.19 | thiago | works just fine for me on my laptop |
| 21:15.27 | thiago | performance-wise, it's also fine on my desktop |
| 21:15.42 | thiago | but it produces horrible artifacts. My NVidia card is to blame, though. |
| 21:16.04 | mschnee | Maybe it's the nvidia drivers, but I get horrible tearing and jittery animation with compositing on. |
| 21:16.19 | mschnee | Then again I see the same thing on my work machine and there's no nvidia card here |
| 21:16.34 | thiago | which version? |
| 21:16.43 | mschnee | Of the driver or of KDE? |
| 21:16.49 | thiago | KDE has no drivers |
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| 21:18.12 | mschnee | nvidia is 177.80 on both machines, kwin is 4.1.2, built from tagged source here and kubuntu at home on my laptop, gentoo on desktop |
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| 21:19.02 | thiago | same here |
| 21:19.10 | mschnee | It's bad enough on this machine that I'm running all of my KDE4 apps in gnome. |
| 21:19.44 | mschnee | But to be fair, it's worlds better than 4.0 was. |
| 21:19.54 | thiago | turn desktop effects off then |
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| 21:43.49 | vivia | I googled but didn't find anything relevant, then again, I don't know exactly which keywords to use |
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| 21:43.57 | Bille | vivia: make a bugreport vs kwin then |
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| 21:44.00 | vivia | Bille: so it doesn't ring any bells to you either, right? |
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| 21:44.06 | Bille | vivia: nope, but i haven't tried to reproduce it yet.. |
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| 21:44.07 | Bille | lemme see |
| 21:44.07 | busfahrer | Excuse me, does any part or feature of KDE4 require 3D-enabled X? (i.e. nvidia drivers versus non-3D nv drivers) |
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| 21:44.07 | vivia | It used to work when I first installed kde4. Then I was disabling some useless eyecandy such as animations, and it came to life |
| 21:44.07 | kdepepo | vivia, which kwin version? there are some regressions post kde 4.0 |
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| 21:44.09 | Bille | where do you set active opacity? |
| 21:44.10 | Bille | i have only a "inactive windows" slider in trunk |
| 21:44.19 | vivia | kdepepo: uhh, the one used in the extra repositories for ubuntu hardy. can't tell you right now because my desktop pc is overheated and i'll have to wait a few minutes at least until i can use it |
| 21:44.26 | vivia | Bille: open a window and right click its title... that's the only way |
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| 21:46.08 | Bille | vivia: ok, i have active 100% and inactive windows at 40% opacity |
| 21:46.16 | vivia | Bille: try moving a window over an inactive one |
| 21:46.18 | Bille | the inactive windows are not repainted correctly, dragging the active window leaves a trace |
| 21:46.25 | Bille | (trunk) |
| 21:46.28 | vivia | exactly, this one |
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| 21:46.59 | Bille | vivia: ok, make a bug report vs kwin_compositing, state that wstephenson@kde.org can reproduce on intel |
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| 21:47.44 | vivia | Bille: how can i find a bug report webpage or sth? i don't have access to my kde4 now |
| 21:47.50 | Bille | vivia: bugs.kde.org |
| 21:48.11 | Bille | vivia: also note that opening a new window causes the corrupted inactive windows to be redrawn correctly |
| 21:48.32 | vivia | i think it's not the case on my installation, but thanx anywahy |
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| 21:49.55 | Bille | vivia: sure, lots of other variables in play |
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| 21:50.40 | vivia | also, is anyone using these window-specific settings? first, when writing their config file, they convert the window class to lowercase and i have to manually edit the file. second, most settings don't seem to take effect, especially setting custom transparencies (for example, i want my amsn webcam windows 100% opaque) |
| 21:50.50 | vivia | or even better 99% so they can redraw :) |
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| 21:52.23 | vivia | Bille: you said you reproduce it on svn ? |
| 21:52.44 | vivia | nvm, i select my configuration anyway |
| 21:53.05 | Bille | vivia: yes |
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| 22:00.19 | blaamann | How can I switch desktop with my keyboard shortcut keys in kde4? |
| 22:01.05 | kdepepo | shortcuts? in kde4? |
| 22:01.27 | blaamann | Are there any for switching desktop? |
| 22:01.48 | vivia | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173793 |
| 22:02.10 | vivia | blaamann: ctrl+f1 ctrl+f2 etc |
| 22:02.39 | blaamann | vivia: ty |
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| 22:17.42 | RichiH | what is the kde4 way of syncing a cell phone's address book etc with kontact/kdepim? |
| 22:17.56 | RichiH | kitchensync does not seem to exist for kde4 |
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| 22:19.28 | katastrophe | i dont know if it will be back in 4.2 |
| 22:19.56 | junkDawgie | i'm not sure RichiH, but seems i recall reading that kde4-kmobiletools was going to do that... but at that time it wasn't complete |
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| 22:20.27 | junkDawgie | there is a kmobiletools now, but it doesn't integrate |
| 22:20.35 | junkDawgie | kde3 app |
| 22:21.00 | RichiH | weeps |
| 22:21.14 | RichiH | junkDawgie, katastrophe: ok, thanks |
| 22:21.56 | RichiH | will prolly continue to poke gammu, then |
| 22:22.09 | RichiH | and import files into kontact |
| 22:22.32 | junkDawgie | yes you could use wammu/gammu to export a csv file... then import it and vice/versa |
| 22:22.41 | junkDawgie | i think that would work |
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| 22:22.53 | RichiH | does not understand why there is not a single linux vendor that would pour some money into PIM |
| 22:23.00 | RichiH | junkDawgie: gammu does not speak csv |
| 22:23.17 | RichiH | and wammu reproducably locks itself at 99% cpu when i try to sync my sms |
| 22:23.18 | junkDawgie | my mistake.. i thought it did |
| 22:23.37 | junkDawgie | lol.... sorry, perhaps a poor suggestion |
| 22:23.49 | RichiH | it speaks a proprietary format and some xml that loses a lot of information |
| 22:24.37 | RichiH | or rather, wammu speaks xml, gammu does not |
| 22:25.33 | RichiH | to get mbox/maildir/xml you start wammu, load the gammu savefile into wammu, connect a phone and make wammu connect to the phone (which is mandatory for some reason) which will allow you to export the imported stuff into mbox/maildir/xml |
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| 22:25.41 | RichiH | which you can then imort into kontact |
| 22:25.45 | aroedl | Nice one: http://darktears.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/aaron-tell-the-truth/ |
| 22:25.58 | RichiH | long story short, i hate the process i came up with :p |
| 22:26.23 | junkDawgie | good to know, thanks for the advice |
| 22:27.04 | junkDawgie | look at the kmobiltools kde3 then.. i could never get it to connect but maybe you can. |
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| 22:28.31 | RichiH | junkDawgie: if kmobiletools is similar to kitchensync, it is a framework, not an application |
| 22:29.02 | RichiH | does not get why opensync does not come with a few dozen pre-baked setups which you can adapt to your needs |
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| 22:29.48 | RichiH | the plugin/connector design is very powerful (unless you need opensync to act as a client, not a server), but the usaility is about zero |
| 22:30.01 | junkDawgie | i'm a simple guy, i just don't wanna lose my phone info.... it doesn't have to be pretty. :) |
| 22:30.05 | RichiH | realizes he is ranting a little bit |
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| 22:31.23 | RichiH | junkDawgie: i don't need pretty, either. neither do i mind a steep learning curve. but the 'here is a framework, now build your application with it' approach of opensync (and all of its front-ends) is Not A Good Thing |
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| 22:48.13 | DraxNS | how can I configure dolphin or whatever to mount my external usb drive to mount point of my choice? as it can be done in kde 3.5.* ? |
| 22:48.33 | thiago | like I told you, configure HAL |
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| 22:48.47 | DraxNS | :-D |
| 22:49.01 | DraxNS | how? |
| 22:49.14 | DraxNS | there are 3 dir's there |
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| 22:50.24 | blip- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:52.29 | pinotree | blip-: ask in an eclipse or netbeans channel? |
| 22:52.48 | blip- | pinotree: hmm i thought fish was a KDE thing |
| 22:53.03 | thiago | blip-: fish is |
| 22:53.08 | thiago | netbeans and eclipse aren't |
| 22:53.14 | pinotree | exactly why you should ask for an eclipse equivalient in an eclipse channel |
| 22:53.26 | blip- | k will do. thanks |
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| 22:54.18 | Roey | hi |
| 22:54.19 | Roey | question |
| 22:54.37 | Roey | how do I make it so that the Panel won't show windows from all desktop? |
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| 22:54.50 | thiago | Roey: right-click the taskbar and configure it |
| 22:54.58 | thiago | Configure Task Bar |
| 22:55.11 | Roey | where? |
| 22:55.15 | thiago | select "show only windows from the current desktop" |
| 22:55.25 | Roey | but how do I even access the taskbar |
| 22:55.31 | Roey | because when I right-click on it, |
| 22:55.36 | Roey | I get a menu saying: |
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| 22:55.49 | thiago | right-click the taskbar where there's no application show |
| 22:55.49 | thiago | n |
| 22:55.55 | Roey | Advanced/To Desktop.../To Current Desktop/etc. |
| 22:56.04 | thiago | don't click on an app |
| 22:56.06 | thiago | click outside |
| 22:56.18 | Roey | there's no outside :P |
| 22:56.27 | Roey | I've got like...30 windows here |
| 22:56.35 | thiago | yeah, I know how that is |
| 22:56.36 | Roey | and they're filling up the entire panel |
| 22:56.41 | thiago | you can try and click somewhere just outside |
| 22:56.57 | thiago | or click the cashew on the right in order to configure the entire panel, then rightclick the taskbar anywhere |
| 22:57.36 | Roey | if I right-click the task bar, it highlights it and then when I move the mouse it follows my movement |
| 22:58.00 | Roey | a couple of questions/gripes here: |
| 22:58.19 | Roey | (I'm using whatever kde4 is on ubuntu intrepid btw) |
| 22:58.49 | Roey | 1) what's the deal with a 'cashew' and this non-standard way of configuring the panel when all other apps have dialog boxes with settings explicitly named? |
| 22:59.44 | Roey | 2) why do some applications' configuration dialog boxes behave like those of gnome where changes in dialog boxes instantly take effect (for example, in Konsole) |
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| 23:00.29 | Roey | 3) In configuring the Panel, if I right-click on the task bar there is no way to cancel it by hitting Escape. Is this deliberate? |
| 23:00.42 | katastrophe | 1. later you will be able to configure the look of the plasma icons i think |
| 23:01.01 | katastrophe | 2. please give an example |
| 23:01.21 | Roey | katastrophe: try and configure Konsole fonts |
| 23:01.32 | thiago | Roey: the pane doesn't have a menu bar |
| 23:01.36 | katastrophe | 3. hm dont know |
| 23:01.39 | thiago | so it's already pretty much "non-standard" |
| 23:01.52 | thiago | you can always right-click it and select Configure panel |
| 23:01.56 | Roey | katastrophe: the font settings instantly take effect as you make changes in the dialog box |
| 23:02.00 | katastrophe | ok |
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| 23:02.27 | katastrophe | Roey ok, this is good, why shouldnt it be this way? |
| 23:02.42 | Roey | katastrophe: how is it relevant that you will be able to configure the look of the plasma icons? |
| 23:03.03 | Roey | katastrophe: it should not be this way at all--it should take effect when you hit 'OK' or 'Apply' |
| 23:03.11 | Roey | thiago: you mean Panel Settings... ? |
| 23:03.28 | Roey | thiago: it's so non-standard, jeez |
| 23:03.30 | adz21c | Roey: it doesn't take effect, thats a preview, click cancel its all reverted. |
| 23:03.45 | katastrophe | exactly |
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| 23:03.55 | Roey | adz21c: It is not intuitive that it is merely a preview |
| 23:04.11 | Roey | like...I didn't know it was a preview, I thought it was setting it as I was changing it |
| 23:04.13 | thiago | Roey: the panel is non-standard, period. |
| 23:04.19 | thiago | Roey: no other application is a panel. |
| 23:04.23 | Roey | thiago: is it going to be replaced with something sane then? |
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| 23:04.32 | thiago | no |
| 23:04.34 | Roey | thiago: and why shouldn't it have dialog boxes? |
| 23:04.37 | adz21c | Roey: seemed obvious to me, but if you have a problem with that take it up with the konsole developers |
| 23:04.38 | thiago | it does |
| 23:04.49 | Roey | thiago: then why doesn't it have a dialog box for configuration? |
| 23:04.57 | Roey | adz21c: it doesn't matter, no one cares. |
| 23:05.04 | thiago | right-click the desktop then select configure deskto |
| 23:05.07 | thiago | there's your dialog box |
| 23:05.14 | Roey | and now it's just turning into a rant on my part so it's not going to help me |
| 23:05.35 | thiago | in any case, why should there *be* a dialog box if what you want is to move & resize the panel as well as plasmoids in it? |
| 23:05.45 | katastrophe | Roey there is also the kde-usability mailing list |
| 23:05.49 | thiago | a dialog box would only get in the way |
| 23:05.50 | Roey | thiago, when I right-click and do Configure Desktop then it lets me switch the wallpaper and theeme and that's about it |
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| 23:06.41 | Roey | thiago: because sometimes you want to specify things in a more precise way rather than fat-fingering it and dragging with a mouse. |
| 23:06.59 | Roey | thiago: I saw nothing wrong with kde3's panel configuration (granted it was a separate application) |
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| 23:07.58 | thiago | Roey: that I can agree with |
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| 23:08.24 | Roey | ok |
| 23:08.29 | Roey | thiago: with what again? |
| 23:08.37 | Roey | (I closed the older session) |
| 23:09.15 | thiago | with precise size-setting |
| 23:09.18 | Roey | ok |
| 23:09.32 | Roey | I really liked the configuration dialog for kde3's Kicker |
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| 23:11.57 | vivia | i'd also like to be able to configure the panels in a more precise way. for example, i need them 100% transparent. in kde3 there was such a setting, in kde4 i have to look for a theme that more-or-less suits my needs and modify it |
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| 23:12.25 | thiago | you can't configure transparency |
| 23:12.29 | thiago | that's a theme setting |
| 23:12.36 | thiago | you can modify the theme or create a new one |
| 23:12.40 | vivia | yes, i found an addon that modifies the theme's transparency |
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| 23:14.11 | vivia | but i really wish i could just modify color and transparency instead of modifying themes... |
| 23:14.13 | zirikili | any news about when kde4 will be available for gnu/linux debian testing? |
| 23:15.11 | pinotree | zirikili: #debian-kde please |
| 23:15.49 | zirikili | pinotree: thank you. but I have a quetion about kde |
| 23:16.14 | vivia | if i report a new wish for easily modifying a theme's color and transparency, any chances that it will be taken into account? |
| 23:16.56 | pinotree | vivia: which theme? |
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| 23:17.47 | vivia | pinotree: anyone as long as i can make it transparent and make its letters and button highlights visible over a light blue wallpaper :) |
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| 23:18.55 | thiago | vivia: the problem is that not all themes look nice with any arbitrary transparency setting |
| 23:19.06 | thiago | the same way that not all themes look nice with any colour setting |
| 23:19.25 | thiago | so, for some themes it may make sense, for some others it won't |
| 23:19.46 | Ineluctable | I used to be able to search for text with in a file using the find files/folders under the contents tab, and now I can not. Can anyone help? |
| 23:19.53 | vivia | thiago: so i want to choose a theme of my liking and modify it..... |
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| 23:20.17 | vivia | thiago: without having to edit svg files or searching configuration files, if necessary |
| 23:21.07 | thiago | there should be a 'theme creator' app for that |
| 23:21.19 | thiago | but my point is that theme creation might not be easy |
| 23:21.34 | thiago | and the theme that you like was designed by someone else with their likings |
| 23:21.51 | pinotree | afaik there's such tool in kde 4.2 already |
| 23:22.26 | vivia | awesome. now if i could just get my desktop to forget that it was overheated 45minutes ago so that i can install kde 4.2 !!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 23:26.38 | Ineluctable | I used to be able to search for text with in a file using the find files/folders under the contents tab, and now I can not. Can anyone help? |
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| 23:27.49 | oneforall | hi kde 3.5.9 konq file manager how do I get the scroll helle to quick mqking the fonts go larger and back to bing the scroll the page ? |
| 23:27.59 | oneforall | helle/heel |
| 23:28.05 | oneforall | err wheel* |
| 23:28.44 | pinotree | ctrl+wheel is for icon zooming only, no text zooming possible |
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| 23:32.22 | oneforall | well from when I was dragging a file over to another folder in the tree and the drag froze up. It now while hover over the page but close to the right side scroll enlarges the fonts and doesn't scroll / Plus when I drag drop it does have the selection popup it just auto donloads it . |
| 23:33.36 | oneforall | weird it only some tabs it does that and others work proper . onder if the page is controlling it |
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| 23:38.57 | Commie_Cary | can you apply textures to a kde theme like you can to a gnome theme? |
| 23:39.46 | pinotree | which kind of theme? |
| 23:42.22 | Commie_Cary | a theme? |
| 23:42.33 | Commie_Cary | color sceme mainly |
| 23:42.34 | oneforall | hmm now that that tab and page is gone its fine but still I get the drag drop freeze ups as usual :) |
| 23:43.49 | pinotree | color scheme? it is made by colors |
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| 23:51.44 | oneforall | sucks to hen you do the ctrl+alt+F1 to look for an error when the drag drop freezes up and its just the same old X Error: Badwindow one |
| 23:51.51 | oneforall | hen/when |
| 23:52.13 | oneforall | drag drop in slow motions so it doesn't freeze up |
| 23:52.43 | oneforall | and make the distance as short as possible too |
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