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| 00:03.05 | sparr | why is kpdf locking my sound device? |
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| 00:13.28 | jahv | hi. maybe someone can help me out with this. i am running kde3.5.9, i am trying to find out where kwin gets loaded from. ive checked the env variables and there is no kdewm. so i was wondering where this get loaded from? |
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| 00:14.54 | Jucato | jahv: the startkde script, more specifically, when it calls ksmserver. there's and explanation there |
| 00:15.10 | Jucato | it's hardcoded to start KWin if $KDEWM is not set |
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| 00:19.21 | jahv | jucato; i see, so if there is $KDEWM is set than it will ignore kwin from startkde? reason i am asking this is because i changed the KDEWM for compiz. although when kde starts up it stand there for about 15 secs before loading into kde, and for a strange reason, anything i try to open it very slow and non responsive. so i'll try to start it up from the startkde to see if it makes a difference. |
| 00:20.33 | Jucato | er.. don't |
| 00:21.11 | Jucato | don't modify startkde |
| 00:21.17 | jahv | jucato; okay, i won't then :) |
| 00:21.42 | Jucato | where are you setting KDEWM? |
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| 00:22.36 | jahv | jucato; i made a script that i added under ~/.kde/env |
| 00:23.34 | Jucato | hm that should work fine. not sure why there's a 15 second thingy |
| 00:24.03 | Jucato | perhaps you can ask in #compiz-fusion |
| 00:24.40 | Jucato | but as far as KDE is concerned, KDEWM is the only thing you need to set. Compiz might require some other things, or your script might not be written properly |
| 00:26.13 | jahv | jucato; i know it's strange.. will do that. but thanks for you time, very appreciated, i've looked at startkde and i've seen where it loads up kwin. i know something more so thanks :) |
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| 00:26.45 | Jucato | jahv: you're welcome |
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| 00:49.07 | Hiryu | is there a way to tell kdm to use display :1 instead of :0? |
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| 00:51.08 | sirob | i did an rm /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu as an idiot and i want to regenerate the menu now :s |
| 00:51.12 | sirob | any ideas ? |
| 00:52.00 | Hiryu | reinstall the package that file was in? |
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| 01:02.26 | sirob | nah, an scp from another machine save me :) |
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| 01:03.15 | Smorg | How do you get konqueror to prompt for a uname/password for secure pages? |
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| 01:09.35 | sirob | Smorg: what do you mean ? |
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| 01:11.44 | Smorg | any page which requires authorization and doesn't have its own embedded form doesn't have the browser prompt for a uname/password, but rather just refuses access. |
| 01:12.18 | sirob | that's a bug at konqueror ? |
| 01:13.10 | sparr | Smorg: err, i think you are mistaken |
| 01:13.13 | sparr | example link? |
| 01:13.24 | sparr | i have used http authentication numerous times in konqueror |
| 01:13.59 | Smorg | possibly, its been that way for the 4.2 trunk for me for quite a while. |
| 01:14.23 | sparr | example link? |
| 01:14.37 | Smorg | hm i'll find one, so far its been for things like my router & modem webfaces, or the webface for a local polipo proxy |
| 01:15.27 | Smorg | http://www.omnesia.net:2095/ |
| 01:15.30 | Smorg | my mail server |
| 01:15.49 | Smorg | falls back to the embedded auth whereas with firefox the browser asks first |
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| 01:22.10 | sirob | goodnight |
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| 01:26.22 | type_t | question person ran yast to update to KDE4 and libcurl-...i586.rpm and suspend-...i586.rpm have conflict ..what . is the best way to either keep KDE4 as it is or some how revert back to KDE3 ? |
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| 01:27.41 | Jucato | type_t, please ask in #opensuse or #opensuse-kde |
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| 01:42.18 | germano | #joão pesoa |
| 01:42.27 | germano | get brasil |
| 01:42.32 | germano | dir |
| 01:42.36 | germano | cls |
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| 02:08.32 | Ace2016 | i found something disturbing |
| 02:09.17 | Ace2016 | windows xp's run dialogue works better on my desktop from within virtualbox in seamless mode :( |
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| 02:09.38 | Ace2016 | if only kde4's run dialogue didn't resize :( thats where it lags |
| 02:10.06 | Ace2016 | whatever happened to the plain old text run dialogue :( |
| 02:10.30 | Ace2016 | i mean plain old text dropdown menu text box in a dialogue |
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| 02:16.03 | Jucato | Ace2016, you're sure it's lagging because of resizing? or because it is querying all possible results (based on the plugins you have enabled) |
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| 02:16.33 | Jucato | (you can try disabling plugins you don't need/want and see if it's faster) |
| 02:17.14 | Jucato | also, with an "old text dropdown menu", how is it going to display "possible hits" vs. "previous text entered"? |
| 02:20.47 | Ace2016 | just the previous text selected |
| 02:21.28 | Ace2016 | and for the hints i'll grey the addition, kon[grey]versation[/grey] based on most used |
| 02:22.05 | Ace2016 | so s will be s[grey]udo killall -9 opera[/grey] XD |
| 02:22.37 | Jucato | that's already what's going on for history. |
| 02:22.48 | Jucato | but I'm saying "hits", not "hints" |
| 02:23.08 | Jucato | like "Kon" could be "konqueror", "konsole", "kontact", or "akonaditray" |
| 02:23.23 | Ace2016 | pre cache everything to ram |
| 02:23.25 | Jucato | anyway, you can make your own launcher. someone already did (Quicksand) |
| 02:23.39 | Jucato | run it by the #plasma devs. :) |
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| 02:24.14 | Ace2016 | shouldn't that be kwiksand :D |
| 02:24.53 | Ace2016 | plasma is javascript right? |
| 02:24.56 | Jucato | no |
| 02:25.05 | Ace2016 | :( |
| 02:25.05 | castingcrowns | Im having trouble compiling a widget from kde-look.org. Its saying it cannot find required package Plasma. What are the packages I need installed to allow me to compile? |
| 02:25.16 | Ace2016 | there goes the easy road |
| 02:25.38 | Ace2016 | maybe install kde4 dev |
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| 02:25.43 | Jucato | Ace2016, and comparing krunner to Windows' Alt+F2 is not proportional |
| 02:26.01 | Jucato | Windows' Run Command and KDE 3's Run Command are closer |
| 02:26.18 | Ace2016 | true, but it'll take a while for pople to use it for anything other than a run box |
| 02:26.36 | Jucato | castingcrowns, you need KDE headers to compille. please ask your distro for package details |
| 02:27.06 | Jucato | Ace2016, and that is based on actual empirical statistical data? |
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| 02:27.36 | Ace2016 | doesn't kde4 have a report usage data option? |
| 02:27.56 | castingcrowns | Jucato: Will do, since I dont see any kde4-dev packages, ill have to where to find them. |
| 02:27.59 | castingcrowns | Thanks |
| 02:28.05 | Jucato | Ace2016, you mean spyware? nope |
| 02:28.22 | Jucato | but seriously? no |
| 02:28.29 | Jucato | (report usage data option) |
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| 02:29.35 | Ace2016 | castingcrowns: do you have kdelibs4-dev? |
| 02:30.13 | Jucato | the Plasma headers would probably be in kdebase, not kdelibs |
| 02:30.18 | castingcrowns | hmm, let me check |
| 02:30.27 | Jucato | and of course distro name packages differently... |
| 02:30.54 | Jucato | like in Debian, kdelibs4-dev would be KDE 3's kdelibs |
| 02:31.13 | Ace2016 | kdebase-dev that has kdelibs5-dev as a dep so install kdebase4-dev |
| 02:31.24 | castingcrowns | Ace2016: No, I have a few kde3 -dev ones, but all I have for kde4 are ones that say debugsource. |
| 02:32.09 | Ace2016 | well i guess your not using debian |
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| 02:32.20 | castingcrowns | no, Im using openSuse |
| 02:32.30 | Ace2016 | my condolences |
| 02:32.36 | Jucato | see? |
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| 02:36.38 | bgmiki | http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=66663664ql3.jpg |
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| 02:38.37 | compilerwriter | I accidently made a change in my kde 4.1 window behavior that I would like to reverse and unfortunately need to do it from terminal how do I go about it? |
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| 02:40.42 | Ace2016 | compilerwriter: nano .kde/share/config/kwinrc |
| 02:41.07 | compilerwriter | nano .kde/share/donfig/kwinrc |
| 02:42.29 | DaSkreech | donfig? |
| 02:42.45 | Ace2016 | whats donfig? |
| 02:42.55 | Jucato | compilerwriter, that might be .kde4/share/config/kwinrc depending on distro |
| 02:43.00 | castingcrowns | Ace2016: I have something called libkde4-dev, just found it. is that what is needed? |
| 02:43.06 | Jucato | (Ace2016 seems to presume everyone is using Debian...) |
| 02:43.32 | castingcrowns | !me |
| 02:43.32 | Ace2016 | castingcrowns: check if there is a libkde5-dev just incase |
| 02:43.37 | Jucato | castingcrowns, please ask in #opensuse-kde |
| 02:44.01 | Jucato | it may or may not be, but they would know better |
| 02:44.06 | Ace2016 | thinks everyone should use debian |
| 02:44.16 | castingcrowns | Ace2016: I dont think so. I thught I seen a libkde6-dev though. Maybe I should go with that one? |
| 02:44.19 | Ace2016 | debian based |
| 02:44.36 | Ace2016 | castingcrowns: ask in #opensuse-kde |
| 02:44.44 | DaSkreech | compilerwriter: Ibex? |
| 02:45.26 | castingcrowns | didnt know there was an opensuse-kde, thanks |
| 02:45.34 | Ace2016 | wtf |
| 02:45.48 | Ace2016 | wants to borrow Jucato's cloak of invisibility |
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| 02:46.29 | DaSkreech | touches Jucato's face |
| 02:46.32 | DaSkreech | I can see him |
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| 02:46.37 | Jucato | castingcrowns, I did mention it earlier |
| 02:46.47 | Jucato | doesn't have a cloak of in.. |
| 02:46.52 | Jucato | hm... where is it? |
| 02:46.57 | Jucato | goes back to "work" |
| 02:47.01 | castingcrowns | Jucato: Im sorry, I must have missed it while looking at the Suse channel |
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| 02:50.49 | Ficthe | someone with kdei, please do me the favour of doing: ls -al ls /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc | wc -l |
| 02:51.02 | compilerwriter | Yes Ibex DaSkreech |
| 02:51.41 | Ficthe | I just replaced a layout file with the pc folder I think (by doing "cp ru /pc" instead of "cp ru /pc/"), because kxkb shows an "err" instead of a flag |
| 02:51.57 | thermogenic | is knetworkmanager the "preferred" interface into NetworkManager in KDE4.1? |
| 02:52.22 | compilerwriter | DaSkreech what happens if I get rid of my rc file? Will a generic one be created for me that would work? |
| 02:52.39 | DaSkreech | compilerwriter: sure rename it to find out |
| 02:52.52 | DaSkreech | compilerwriter: Or look through it for the setting you changed and change it back |
| 02:52.56 | DaSkreech | either works |
| 02:52.59 | Ficthe | whoops, I've got two ls's there, eh. disregard that, of course. |
| 02:53.22 | compilerwriter | I thought I had found it but restarting x isn't getting the job done. |
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| 02:57.07 | compilerwriter | Thanks DaSchreech now I can diff the tow and see what I muc |
| 02:57.09 | compilerwriter | ked up. |
| 02:57.15 | compilerwriter | exit |
| 02:57.16 | compilerwriter | quit |
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| 02:58.10 | Ficthe | I'm not off-topic to be talking about xkb, no? |
| 02:58.41 | DaSkreech | It has a k in it that's good |
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| 02:59.37 | Ficthe | in that case |
| 02:59.42 | Ficthe | s/xkb/kxkb/g |
| 03:00.28 | DaSkreech | kouple of Ks!! that's better :) |
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| 03:00.46 | Ficthe | anyway, will you please be a dove and do ls -al /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc | wc -l for me? |
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| 03:01.22 | Ficthe | I'm afraid I made a silly mistake of replacing that entire folder with a single file |
| 03:01.26 | compilerwriter | Hey DaSkreech I don't seem to have a new kwinrc generated. Is there a default one that is being used now that I renamed the old one? |
| 03:01.54 | DaSkreech | compilerwriter: probably. Would be written out on quit I think |
| 03:02.54 | compilerwriter | Where is the default I want to diff the old one with the one in use now so as to see what I mucked up. |
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| 03:04.56 | compilerwriter | I suppose I could just log out and do the diff when I log back in though. |
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| 03:30.28 | nick125 | Anyone know of a KDE4 program for mass-converting a bunch of music? I have a bunch of flacs that I want to convert to MP3s to go on my Blackberry, without touching the originals. |
| 03:32.43 | FFForever | how do i remove all kde4 packages? |
| 03:32.55 | nick125 | FFForever: What distribution? |
| 03:33.02 | FFForever | kubuntu kde4 |
| 03:33.52 | FFForever | i already installed ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop |
| 03:34.01 | FFForever | i just want kde/gnome not kde4... |
| 03:37.10 | nogagplz | http://pastebin.com/m6efb0b3 -> any ideas why failure there? |
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| 04:05.56 | luke-jr | Does KDE have IMEs yet? <.< |
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| 04:53.13 | gkffjcs | what's up with kioslaves, not working on the kde windows port? |
| 04:54.32 | Jucato | shouldn't be a surprise. not all KDE stuff will work on Windows. it's a case to case basis... or it may be a bug. please ask in #kde-windows |
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| 04:59.42 | Roey | JUCATO |
| 04:59.43 | Roey | hola |
| 04:59.44 | Roey | :) |
| 04:59.53 | Roey | Jucato: I'm so happy that KDE now has a forum! |
| 05:00.00 | Roey | how did it manage to get hundreds of posts in a single day!?!? |
| 05:00.24 | Jucato | hello |
| 05:00.28 | Jucato | hm.. the power of the Internet? :) |
| 05:03.59 | Roey | this forum wasn't in beta or anything before the announcement, or is it all just from the past coupla days? |
| 05:04.16 | Jucato | it wasn't public |
| 05:05.12 | Roey | ok |
| 05:05.14 | Roey | interesting |
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| 05:16.44 | gkffjcs | Jucato: Thanks! |
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| 05:25.03 | gkffjcs | anyone had luck comiling kdeio fuse gateway? |
| 05:26.19 | wally345 | How to disable "View -> Use Index.html" in konqueror ? |
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| 05:31.45 | tilya | good morning |
| 05:32.18 | tilya | i have the following problem with kde 4.1.2, maybe it`s gentoo specific, i do not know |
| 05:32.54 | tilya | i does not start, dies with "klauncher could not be reached via dbus" |
| 05:33.35 | tilya | if no config is present, otherwise it just dies |
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| 05:41.39 | llama__ | how are you starting KDE? |
| 05:41.43 | llama__ | how did you install it? |
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| 05:46.42 | Doomhammer | tilya, are dbus and hald started? /etc/init.d/hald start |
| 05:48.13 | Doomhammer | anyone have an issue where resizing windows is VERY slow when desktop effects are enabled? |
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| 05:50.53 | llama__ | yeah |
| 05:51.14 | llama__ | I think it allocates a new texture for the window each time it is resized |
| 05:51.51 | llama__ | therefore - I use the stretch feature for resizing. (the window isn't properly redrawned until you release the mouse) |
| 05:52.52 | Doomhammer | where's the stretch feature? |
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| 05:58.34 | Doomhammer | lol the sharpen effect just crashed kde |
| 05:58.41 | Doomhammer | anyway, where can i enable this stretch option? |
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| 06:10.19 | yao_ziyuan | remember yesterday i asked for wallpapers? |
| 06:10.22 | yao_ziyuan | i found two very good one |
| 06:10.34 | yao_ziyuan | http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/83789-kwallpaper.svg |
| 06:10.39 | yao_ziyuan | http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/25027-time.svg.tar.gz |
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| 06:15.27 | Rasi | oh you have to love browser's slowness with svg |
| 06:16.52 | Doomhammer | is there some kind of replacement for KNetworkManager that doesn't dep kde-3.5? |
| 06:17.57 | lemma_ | Doomhammer: it's coming along but not quite ready yet |
| 06:18.15 | Doomhammer | ah |
| 06:18.38 | lemma_ | Doomhammer: apart from that there's gnome network manager, but I guess you're looking for a KDE4 alternative :) |
| 06:18.46 | Doomhammer | yeah |
| 06:18.54 | Doomhammer | id rather just do it by hand on the command-line than use the gnome one =p |
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| 06:20.23 | lemma_ | Doomhammer: does the slowness when resizing happen for all windows and which graphics card are you using? |
| 06:20.50 | Doomhammer | yeah it happens on all windows, and this laptop has a 8600GT i think |
| 06:21.34 | Doomhammer | 8700M-GT, 256MB is the card |
| 06:21.48 | lemma_ | Doomhammer: try http://userbase.kde.org and follow the path Resources -> Troubleshooting -> GPU. there's some hints |
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| 06:23.57 | Doomhammer | skipping argb visuals doesn't help |
| 06:25.51 | lemma_ | Doomhammer: try the nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlace.... one |
| 06:26.16 | Doomhammer | will that affect windows that are already running? or will i need to open up a new konsole or whatever |
| 06:26.21 | lemma_ | Doomhammer: but to be honest the nvidia binary driver still sucks.. especially on the 8600 |
| 06:26.32 | lemma_ | Doomhammer: it will affect all windows |
| 06:26.45 | Doomhammer | lemma_, yeah although from what i understand the opensource driver is even worse |
| 06:26.53 | Doomhammer | tried 1, 2, and 3 to no avail |
| 06:27.24 | lemma_ | Doomhammer: yes. the os driver isn't ready for 3d :( |
| 06:27.39 | tilya | Doomhammer: yes, both are running |
| 06:28.07 | lemma_ | Doomhammer: are you running the latest driver? |
| 06:28.20 | Doomhammer | em i'm running 173.14.09 |
| 06:28.26 | tilya | llama__: starting both using kdm and startx fails, installed from gentoo packages |
| 06:28.34 | lemma_ | Doomhammer: that seems way outdated |
| 06:28.42 | lemma_ | Doomhammer: I thin 177.80 is current |
| 06:28.53 | Doomhammer | is 177.xx stable ? |
| 06:30.03 | llama__ | dunno |
| 06:30.10 | llama__ | but the 177.x should run much faster |
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| 06:30.15 | Doomhammer | i'll give it a go |
| 06:30.20 | llama__ | since they attempted to fix the xrender issues |
| 06:30.53 | lemma_ | Doomhammer: yes, a stable 177 just came out |
| 06:31.16 | Doomhammer | the latest driver in the portage tree (i'm on gentoo) is 177.70 *shrug* so we'll see |
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| 06:33.26 | sitaram | hello all; how do I set the workspace to switch using mouse wheel on an empty part of the desktop? I got used to this in KDE3 but can't find a setting for that in 4... |
| 06:33.46 | Jucato | sitaram: not available until KDE 4.2 |
| 06:33.58 | Jucato | (and then I think you can't disable it.. or so some rumors say) |
| 06:33.59 | sitaram | oh ok... thanks |
| 06:34.21 | sitaram | can't disable it? wouldn't bother me but that sounds weird |
| 06:34.33 | sitaram | anyway, it's a minor issue. |
| 06:35.25 | luke-jr | Jucato: can I disable wheel on taskbar? :/ |
| 06:35.31 | luke-jr | I do it accidentally way too often |
| 06:35.43 | Jucato | that I don't know |
| 06:35.49 | luke-jr | same goes for Ctrl-Alt-Bksp, but I forgot the config to disable that :x |
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| 06:36.08 | Jucato | Ctrl+Alt+Bksp is an X setting, so you'll have to look outside KDE |
| 06:36.08 | Doomhammer | restarting X, brb |
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| 06:37.07 | luke-jr | Jucato: randr is an X setting too :/ |
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| 06:37.28 | tilya | and my dbus? |
| 06:38.03 | Doomhammer | hmm 177.70 didn't fix the resizing issue |
| 06:38.11 | luke-jr | Doomhammer: next time buy a supported card |
| 06:38.13 | luke-jr | like ATi or Intel |
| 06:38.21 | Doomhammer | wait what |
| 06:38.27 | Doomhammer | since when does ATI have better linux drivers than nvidia? |
| 06:38.30 | tilya | i have nvidia and no problem so far |
| 06:38.35 | luke-jr | about 10 years at least |
| 06:38.42 | Doomhammer | and since when does Intel make cards that aren't total crap (performance-wise) |
| 06:38.42 | luke-jr | as long as you get the right cards |
| 06:38.57 | luke-jr | Doomhammer: the problem is Intel only makes them on motherboards |
| 06:39.02 | Jucato | luke-jr: you make it sound like nvidia isn't supported. it is supported. it just so happens there are crappy implementations in the driver |
| 06:39.10 | Doomhammer | like i haven't heard many people say to me "oh man i can run crysis totally maked at at over 9000 fps with my badass intel card" =P |
| 06:39.20 | Doomhammer | maxed* |
| 06:39.23 | Jucato | it's not the card that isn't supported. it's the drivers that doesn't implement properly |
| 06:39.41 | luke-jr | Jucato: nVidia cards aren't supported for 3D on Linux; happy? |
| 06:39.51 | Jucato | huh? |
| 06:40.05 | luke-jr | I know KDE runs on BSD, but most of these people are using illegal Linux derivatives. |
| 06:40.06 | llama__ | huh? |
| 06:40.07 | Jucato | well,this is not the place to be discussing it anyway |
| 06:40.14 | Jucato | double huh? |
| 06:40.43 | llama__ | nvidia cards seemed to work fine until Qt4 came out which makes heavy use of XRender extension, which is not well supported by the Nvidia drivers |
| 06:40.54 | llama__ | NVidia 3d support is just fine on my computer, thank you very much |
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| 06:41.12 | Doomhammer | luke-jr, you work for SCO, don't you? it's ok, you can tell us |
| 06:41.39 | luke-jr | Doomhammer: no, I'm just pro-Freedom |
| 06:42.04 | luke-jr | (is SCO even in biz anymore?) |
| 06:42.12 | Jucato | I never knew "pro-freedom" meant "can spout of inaccurate stuff" |
| 06:42.13 | Doomhammer | i don't think so |
| 06:42.15 | tilya | i run kde4 on nvidia laptop card and i really have no problems with it |
| 06:42.37 | Doomhammer | if you recall they sued over BSD/UNIX code being in linux, and LOST =P |
| 06:42.59 | Jucato | *cough* getting offtopic *cough* |
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| 06:43.10 | luke-jr | Jucato: or rather, I just don't deny the fact that nVidia's "Linux drivers" are illegal |
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| 06:44.13 | Jucato | which has nothing to do with BSD and nothing directly to do with KDE (except as a side effect of poor implementation) |
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| 06:45.03 | luke-jr | Jucato: nVidia's BSD drivers are legal, and KDE supports BSD |
| 06:45.15 | luke-jr | therefore, it is theoretically possible to use KDE+OpenGL with nVidia on BSD |
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| 06:45.23 | Jucato | ... |
| 06:45.26 | luke-jr | that was what I meant |
| 06:45.40 | Doomhammer | how does KDE support BSD? just by the mere fact that it happens to compile on it? =P |
| 06:46.35 | luke-jr | ⦠KDE doesn't support BSD? O.o |
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| 06:46.56 | Jucato | wonders how the hell we got from "177.xx.xx didn't fix the issue" to this... |
| 06:48.10 | luke-jr | do you really? I would be glad to explain again⦠|
| 06:48.31 | Jucato | no |
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| 06:48.53 | Doomhammer | restarting X again... brb... |
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| 06:50.19 | Doomhammer | hmm resizing is still slow |
| 06:50.21 | Doomhammer | meh it's 1AM here i'm giving up for the night =P |
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| 07:06.19 | syock | Yay I'm back again! I think I'm going to stick with KDE4 for a looong time, thanks to advances in linux drivers/compatibility with modern tablet PCs |
| 07:07.24 | syock | Question: how do I compile certain components of KDE e.g. Oxygen widget style? The buttons are too small and I want to replace them. |
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| 07:09.42 | lemma_ | syock: oxygen is in kdebase. you can't compile it on its own. but you can checkout kdebase from svn and recompile this one.. |
| 07:10.53 | syock | lemma_: oh. That would mean long compiling time..... |
| 07:11.17 | syock | So I suppose it's better to download a style and modify it? |
| 07:11.56 | lemma_ | syock: the problem is that the widget styles are c++ code |
| 07:12.09 | lemma_ | syock: can't you just increase the font size? |
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| 07:14.41 | syock | lemma_: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120857 summary probably explains the problem. Having larger title font means the possibility of title not fitting the bar |
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| 07:15.15 | syock | lemma_: So are there no custom widget styles? What about the ones I see in kde-looks? |
| 07:15.46 | Jucato | widget styles are C++ |
| 07:15.52 | lemma_ | syock: oh, you're talking titlebar.. well, there should be plenty of styles just like in kde3 |
| 07:16.16 | Jucato | window decorations you mean? |
| 07:16.37 | syock | Jucato: yes |
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| 07:16.51 | syock | Ah, so that's what they usually call it! |
| 07:17.10 | Jucato | s/usually/really/ |
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| 07:17.50 | Jucato | those too are actually C++ code, though there are some which lets you customize more than the usual ones |
| 07:18.02 | Jucato | like Crystal or deKorator |
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| 07:23.17 | syock | Ah, I realized that Oxygen's isn't customizable. Will make do with Plastik (I confuse it with Plastique) |
| 07:23.52 | syock | Problem still remains though: Scrollbars are small. Now I should look through kde-look again |
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| 07:40.24 | syock | How do I browse svn from a browser? I can't use the svn:// li |
| 07:40.57 | syock | I mean the address. Is there another address for http access? |
| 07:41.01 | hdh | http://websvn.kde.org/ |
| 07:41.31 | syock | Ah, found it just as you typed it. Thanks anyway! |
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| 07:48.02 | syock | Hmm, I wonder where the widget styles are located... |
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| 07:59.08 | Dumble | hello world ! |
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| 08:25.38 | yao_ziyuan | showoff: my kde4 desktop. http://i34.tinypic.com/294nf3p.png |
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| 08:26.02 | luke-jr | it looks⦠default |
| 08:26.44 | tilya | well, i have nicer |
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| 08:26.48 | tilya | but |
| 08:26.52 | tilya | it does not work now |
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| 08:29.15 | yao_ziyuan | luke-jr: the wallpaper and the guifications theme are customized. |
| 08:31.35 | yao_ziyuan | i don't mind being default. i just want a durable look |
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| 08:48.36 | orly_owl | When I export a project from kdenlive in raw DV, the audio is out of sync and the first 5 seconds of the clip that i tried to remove are still there. how can i fix this? I'm using kdenlive 0.6.0-svn and kde 3.5.9 on gNewSense 2.1 |
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| 09:41.12 | elmargol | kde4 and the vanilla 177.80 is totally broken |
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| 09:43.58 | Half-Left | How so? |
| 09:44.51 | elmargol | don't know I guess nvidia sucks :( |
| 09:45.05 | _RedGhost_ | elmargol: the latest nvidia kernel? |
| 09:45.10 | _RedGhost_ | no problems here |
| 09:45.36 | Half-Left | How is it broken? |
| 09:45.38 | elmargol | _RedGhost_: I used the driver drom intrepid lately. I know switched to the driver from nvidia and it is totally broken |
| 09:45.55 | elmargol | If I use the cover switch the windows stuck. |
| 09:46.09 | Half-Left | cover switch? |
| 09:46.25 | elmargol | The alt tab effect |
| 09:46.46 | Half-Left | Ahh, What happen? |
| 09:47.06 | Half-Left | You sure your on OpenGL? |
| 09:47.14 | elmargol | yes I use opengl |
| 09:47.29 | elmargol | well the effect does not end and the window stays "transformed" |
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| 09:50.53 | wepiha | can I get a "Mouse wheel over desktop background switches desktop" in kde4? that is the only thing keeping me from "never looking back" |
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| 09:54.06 | Jucato | wepiha: KDE 4.2, coming soon |
| 09:54.09 | Half-Left | elmargol: As your distro, sounds like a nvidia issue, usually it works fine |
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| 09:55.31 | Half-Left | wepiha: And with cube effect or whatever you preference |
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| 09:56.00 | elmargol | Half-Left: Guess I just try a older driver |
| 09:56.06 | wepiha | Jucato: ah that is a muchly anticipated feature ! thanks! |
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| 09:58.28 | wepiha | Half-Left: ah thy kwin has never failed to please :) |
| 09:59.00 | Half-Left | :) |
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| 10:16.42 | mat69 | hello |
| 10:16.56 | mat69 | is there a way to show how much you downloaded during the session in the system monitor (trunk)? |
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| 10:24.53 | Steve14 | Hi there |
| 10:25.19 | Steve14 | I've got a little problem with sound output |
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| 10:26.14 | Steve14 | although I've defined s/pdif as default output for alsa, kde4 still plays it's sound over the 3,5 jacks |
| 10:26.44 | Steve14 | Is there any way to force it to use the alsa's default device or pulseaudio? |
| 10:27.23 | nick01 | hi, will kde 4.1.2 work as fast as 3.5 on a 2.4 ghz celeron with 256 mb ram ? last time I tried kde 4 it was very slow on this thing |
| 10:27.37 | Steve14 | btw. does phonon already support pulseaudio? |
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| 10:28.20 | mat69 | nick01: I doubt that, but it mostly depends on the driver support for your hardware |
| 10:28.50 | nick01 | mat69, on driver support ? like what drivers ? |
| 10:29.48 | pinotree | Steve14: phonon supports nothing on its own, but it should be the audio infrastructure of the backend it uses that should do that |
| 10:30.05 | pinotree | Steve14: eg if you are using the xine backend, then xine should support pulseaudio |
| 10:30.31 | mat69 | nick01: there were problems with the official nvidia driver that are sovled to some degree now |
| 10:31.08 | mat69 | nick01: while the ati driver worked pretty good with KDE4, intel drivers were mostly best |
| 10:31.42 | nick01 | mat69, would the nvidia driver have caused the file manager to start slow ?â |
| 10:32.04 | mat69 | KDE4 uses some features that were badly supported by some drivers but that's getting better now |
| 10:32.08 | mat69 | not really |
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| 10:32.26 | mat69 | though having a new driver pictures load way faster in dolphin here |
| 10:32.49 | Steve14 | Let's see if there are any options for xine the, pinheiro :) |
| 10:32.56 | mat69 | nick01, but it depends if you have the debug-version of dolphin it will be allways slower than the release version |
| 10:32.59 | nick01 | anybody here running kde 4 on an older pc with say 256 mb ram ? |
| 10:34.10 | nick01 | mat69, gentoo here and it would take a long time to compile kde 4 on that thing |
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| 10:34.56 | nick01 | (only to be borderline unusable) |
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| 10:35.46 | Steve14 | That's odd, kaffeine has no problems with audio playback, but xineui doen't ouput anything :/ |
| 10:36.48 | mat69 | nick01 I fear that 256 mb ram is not enough right now for a real fast desktop, though it really depends on what programs you run in that case |
| 10:37.50 | Steve14 | Huh? Now xine works ... |
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| 10:41.08 | Steve14 | pinotree: kde4's behaviour doesn't change, it still outputs over 3,5 jacks instead of spdif although alsa is configured to output everything that uses the "Default" over spdif |
| 10:41.39 | pinotree | Steve14: configure the outputs used by phonon in systemsettings â sound |
| 10:42.54 | Steve14 | But when I put IEC958 phonon locks the entire card when it's playing a stream |
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| 10:44.42 | loxss | findServiceByDesktopPath: kded/kdedglobalaccel.desktop not found -- that's what I get when trying to run kde 4.1. the desktop remains blank (white and grey squares) and no panels/windows appear |
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| 10:58.19 | thefish | hello, my mouse pointer changes to the "spinning balls" wait pointer whenever its over any kget windows, is there a way to make it use just the "normal" pointer? (kde 4.1.2, kubuntu 8.10, kget 2.1.2) |
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| 10:58.38 | thefish | its tricky to guess where the "hotspot" of that pointer is |
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| 11:01.13 | thefish | even mousing over the icon in the system tray changes the pointer |
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| 11:07.10 | pewbeng | if I wanted to find out the kde version i'm running, i'd normally run kde-config --version, right? |
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| 11:08.25 | gkiagia | pewbeng: yes, or kde4-config --version for kde4, or <any-kde-application> --version or just see the help->about dialog in any kde app |
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| 11:09.12 | pewbeng | ah, alright. had me a little confused, didn't know there's "kde4-config" seperately |
| 11:09.15 | pewbeng | thanks mate |
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| 11:10.53 | Steve14 | Isn't there a way to force KDE4 using the default alsa device? |
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| 11:29.31 | Lanoxx_ | how do i start the kde wallet tool |
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| 11:29.35 | Lanoxx_ | ? |
| 11:29.42 | Jucato | kwalletmanager? |
| 11:29.47 | Lanoxx_ | and have it change a password a saved before? |
| 11:30.10 | Lanoxx_ | bash say it can find kwalletmanager |
| 11:30.15 | Lanoxx_ | cant |
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| 11:30.38 | Jucato | then you'll have to install it (ask your distro for packages) |
| 11:31.13 | Lanoxx_ | what the difference between kwallet and kwalletmanager? |
| 11:31.58 | Jucato | kwallet is a KDE subsystem (works internally). kwalletmanager is a utility to manage kwallet (like passwords, settings, etc) |
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| 11:33.55 | jad4 | http://mocii.com/2007/12/28/viktor-yuschenko-about-patching-kde2.html :D |
| 11:34.02 | jad4 | man I wish I knew ukranian :) |
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| 11:35.05 | Jucato | for KDE 2? O.o |
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| 11:36.51 | Jucato | ah yeah.. heard about that one.. somewhere.. before... |
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| 11:38.16 | Steve14 | Yay, switching to gstreamer backend solved my problem, even amaroK 2 works now :D |
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| 11:53.58 | loxs | could anyone please have a look here http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-711035.html |
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| 12:01.32 | yaayaa | hello |
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| 12:03.37 | yaayaa | I have a problem with kde4 and ati X1100 graphics card when I enable compositing and aixgl. (strange blinking or white/blank screen). Has someone managed to get kde4 effects work with an ati card recently ? any xorg.conf advice ? |
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| 12:06.31 | gkiagia | yaayaa: are you using the fglrx driver? |
| 12:07.04 | yaayaa | well problem is the same with fglrx and radeon |
| 12:07.24 | yaayaa | it work with both when compositing is disabled |
| 12:07.52 | jad4 | I use effects with an ATI on my laptop |
| 12:07.57 | jad4 | works fine |
| 12:08.02 | yaayaa | and kde4 ? |
| 12:08.06 | jad4 | yeap |
| 12:08.16 | jad4 | kde 4.1.2 opensuse 10.3 |
| 12:08.31 | yaayaa | can I see your xorg.conf ? I use mandriva 2009 |
| 12:08.36 | jad4 | ATI Mobility Radeon X600 |
| 12:08.46 | jad4 | sure |
| 12:08.52 | yaayaa | pastebin ? |
| 12:09.12 | jad4 | yeap |
| 12:10.03 | gkiagia | I was using fglrx until yesterday too with almost no problems |
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| 12:11.02 | yaayaa | I use fglrx-8.522 |
| 12:11.13 | yaayaa | kernel-2.6.27 |
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| 12:12.41 | jad4 | yaayaa: http://pastebin.com/da88262e |
| 12:12.46 | gkiagia | isn't that fglrx old? |
| 12:12.56 | gkiagia | I used 8.7 (which is a bit old too) |
| 12:13.17 | yaayaa | thanks |
| 12:13.22 | jad4 | yaayaa: I only modified 3 lines on my standard xorg.conf |
| 12:13.38 | jad4 | line 50 |
| 12:13.53 | jad4 | # |
| 12:13.55 | jad4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.23 | jad4 | lines 197 and 198 |
| 12:14.40 | jad4 | Option "DAMAGE" "true" |
| 12:14.46 | jad4 | Option "Composite" "true" |
| 12:14.50 | jad4 | that's it |
| 12:15.33 | yaayaa | damage true is a bit scary :) |
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| 12:17.07 | jad4 | believe it or not, a few hours after changing that I actually broke part of the plastic on my laptop |
| 12:17.23 | jad4 | on the lower left corner |
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| 12:18.01 | elmargol | Is there something like a kwin benchmark or something? |
| 12:18.07 | jad4 | elmargol: yes |
| 12:18.18 | jad4 | elmargol: go to the effects configuration |
| 12:18.22 | jad4 | elmargol: on kwin |
| 12:18.30 | elmargol | well this only showfs the fps |
| 12:18.38 | jad4 | elmargol: yeap :S |
| 12:18.59 | elmargol | I need something like a stresstest :( have to try if my nvidia driver still crashes after a while :( |
| 12:19.28 | jad4 | just change desktops and do alt+tabs like crazy for 10 minutes I guess |
| 12:20.02 | jad4 | with the snow and explosions and wobbly windows on |
| 12:20.51 | _RedGhost_ | people actually use these things? |
| 12:21.23 | jad4 | you've never seen 12 year old girls on msn have you _RedGhost_? |
| 12:21.59 | _RedGhost_ | jad4: in general? hardly - running KDE? even elss |
| 12:22.03 | _RedGhost_ | less |
| 12:22.20 | jad4 | _RedGhost_: then get yourself some little cousins and you'll see how some people like their interactions ;) |
| 12:22.35 | _RedGhost_ | hm, I could try with my 3-years old daughter |
| 12:22.51 | jad4 | _RedGhost_: you could ;) she'll like the snow for sure :P |
| 12:23.06 | _RedGhost_ | :) |
| 12:23.12 | jad4 | _RedGhost_: my 27 year old flatmate was super impressed with the cube |
| 12:23.13 | jad4 | girls |
| 12:23.24 | _RedGhost_ | we have a cube now? |
| 12:23.58 | jad4 | _RedGhost_: yeap |
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| 12:24.05 | jad4 | _RedGhost_: it's in the list of effects |
| 12:24.11 | _RedGhost_ | hm, I'll have to try that at home |
| 12:24.19 | jad4 | and one of the options for desktop switching |
| 12:24.24 | _RedGhost_ | still on kde3 at work |
| 12:25.07 | jad4 | it's actually nice in the sense that people immediatly understand what is going on |
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| 12:25.15 | _RedGhost_ | of course |
| 12:25.18 | jad4 | when I changed desktop without effect they had no idea |
| 12:25.45 | _RedGhost_ | it's a pretty foreign concept when you come from Windows |
| 12:26.12 | elmargol | while true; do kate&sleep 1;killall kate; done |
| 12:26.16 | elmargol | + explosion effect |
| 12:26.18 | jad4 | which is really insane, how can people work on just one desktop beats me |
| 12:26.20 | _RedGhost_ | (though now that Macs have caught up with X, I'm sure MS will eventually "invent" it) |
| 12:26.39 | jad4 | elmargol: lol :D |
| 12:26.56 | jad4 | _RedGhost_: most probably |
| 12:26.58 | jad4 | :) |
| 12:27.12 | _RedGhost_ | jad4: two desktops are enough for me... one for work and one for mail |
| 12:27.36 | jad4 | _RedGhost_: I use at least those two, but sometimes work needs more than one |
| 12:28.03 | _RedGhost_ | agreed, but I tend to avoid it |
| 12:28.23 | jad4 | _RedGhost_: sometimes I just can't, say doing a report and programming |
| 12:28.30 | jad4 | _RedGhost_: both of those take one desktop |
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| 12:28.49 | elmargol | while true; do kate&kate&kate&kate&kate&kate&kate&kate&sleep 5;killall kate; done |
| 12:28.51 | elmargol | looks nice :D |
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| 12:29.28 | jad4 | elmargol: that's a stress test for both, the computer and whoever is looking at it :P |
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| 12:29.57 | elmargol | i think i record this :D |
| 12:30.04 | jad4 | wishes everything was native kde 4 already :S |
| 12:30.29 | g2g591 | can't wait for the konverstation kde 4 port to at least get into svn |
| 12:30.36 | jad4 | yeap |
| 12:30.47 | jad4 | is amarok going to be ready for KDE 4.2? |
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| 12:30.56 | _RedGhost_ | yep, but then I tend to finish one task before starting the other (if possible) |
| 12:31.19 | _RedGhost_ | jad4: don't know about that, but the beta did a nice job of breaking kded :( |
| 12:31.30 | jad4 | :S |
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| 12:31.59 | _RedGhost_ | apparently it was a bug in kded, so I think the question should be more: will 4.2 be ready for amarok? |
| 12:32.08 | jad4 | nice one :) |
| 12:32.45 | _RedGhost_ | :) |
| 12:32.53 | _RedGhost_ | I switched to mpd in the meantime |
| 12:33.03 | jad4 | mpd? |
| 12:33.41 | _RedGhost_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPD_(Music_Player) |
| 12:34.18 | jad4 | I'm on amarok 1 |
| 12:35.02 | elmargol | fall apart is cooler |
| 12:35.32 | jad4 | but running kde 3 apps sucks as I only have 512MB ram :S |
| 12:35.45 | jad4 | so the more qt4 / KDE 4 stuff the better |
| 12:36.00 | _RedGhost_ | mpd hardly takes any RAM, at least |
| 12:36.06 | _RedGhost_ | it's a bit the anti-amarok |
| 12:36.08 | jad4 | I hope the qt4 Firefox port does tae off :) |
| 12:36.29 | elmargol | ram does not cost much |
| 12:36.35 | _RedGhost_ | oh yes |
| 12:36.40 | jad4 | yeap I might actually take a look at mpd |
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| 12:37.40 | jad4 | elmargol: true, not feeling like investing much on a over 3 year old laptop though |
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| 12:38.08 | elmargol | well time to buy a new one i guess |
| 12:38.43 | _RedGhost_ | otherwise, there's always fluxbox :) |
| 12:38.49 | elmargol | since the economy is crashing atm I'm sure you can get nice notebooks on ebay soon :D |
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| 12:40.54 | _RedGhost_ | at least, with the qt4 port the terrible, buggy and useless gtk filepicker will go |
| 12:41.16 | _RedGhost_ | (of firefox) |
| 12:42.12 | elmargol | _RedGhost_: if you are using gnome the filepicker works great... |
| 12:42.32 | _RedGhost_ | for certain values of great |
| 12:43.23 | _RedGhost_ | I mean, not being able to filter out the type of file you want to open? not being able to create a directory? |
| 12:43.25 | jad4 | I honesty hope the Qt4 port does to current Firefox the same Firefox did to Seamonkey |
| 12:43.45 | _RedGhost_ | not to mention that regularly it displays the files twice |
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| 12:44.17 | _RedGhost_ | jad4: two in the chest and one in the head? |
| 12:44.26 | jad4 | _RedGhost_: yeap :) |
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| 12:44.35 | _RedGhost_ | I'm with you there |
| 12:44.38 | _RedGhost_ | down with GTK :) |
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| 12:45.51 | _RedGhost_ | jad4: actually, thinking about the number of desktops necessary for work - which we were discussing earlier |
| 12:46.02 | _RedGhost_ | I think one of the reasons I don't need many is yakuake |
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| 12:47.03 | jad4 | Hmmm first time I hear of it |
| 12:47.08 | jad4 | how is it different from Konsole? |
| 12:47.19 | _RedGhost_ | it works like the quake console |
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| 12:47.32 | jad4 | oh I remember that |
| 12:47.35 | jad4 | a loooong time ago |
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| 12:48.09 | _RedGhost_ | works from any desktop, features tabs, adjustable in size, can use konsole's defaults or have its own settings |
| 12:48.25 | jad4 | nice |
| 12:48.36 | jad4 | that might be useful |
| 12:49.02 | _RedGhost_ | sudo apt-get install yakuake && yakuake |
| 12:49.07 | _RedGhost_ | then press F12 |
| 12:49.14 | jad4 | openSUSE :P |
| 12:49.16 | Sho_ | (If you're on Ubuntu, the KDE 4 version is called "yakuake-kde4") |
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| 12:49.24 | jad4 | I'll check it on yast later ;) |
| 12:49.36 | _RedGhost_ | sidux here :) |
| 12:49.46 | jad4 | Alt+F2 stopped working :S |
| 12:49.55 | jad4 | doesn't display anything |
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| 12:49.59 | _RedGhost_ | hm |
| 12:50.04 | _RedGhost_ | krunner dead? |
| 12:50.12 | jad4 | nah, I've rebooted |
| 12:50.18 | jad4 | it was yesterday already |
| 12:50.20 | Sho_ | _RedGhost_: What version does Sidux ship? |
| 12:50.33 | jad4 | and when I press alt+f2 it shows on taskbar |
| 12:50.41 | jad4 | but nothing on the desktop |
| 12:50.52 | _RedGhost_ | the one with 4.1.2 if you use packages from experimental :) |
| 12:51.00 | jad4 | oh... actually I can even use it :D |
| 12:51.01 | _RedGhost_ | jad4: funny |
| 12:51.02 | _RedGhost_ | not |
| 12:51.04 | Sho_ | _RedGhost_: Well Yakuake doesn't come with KDE itself :) |
| 12:51.05 | jad4 | it's just invisibe!!!! |
| 12:51.13 | Sho_ | _RedGhost_: Have a look at the About dialog |
| 12:51.14 | _RedGhost_ | tail .xsession-errors |
| 12:51.33 | _RedGhost_ | Sho_: I don't have kde4 at work, I'm not crazy :) |
| 12:51.56 | jad4 | QPainter::begin: Cannot paint on a null pixmap |
| 12:51.58 | jad4 | QPainter::end: Painter not active, aborted |
| 12:52.01 | pusling | _RedGhost_: I do have kde4 at work. and at home. and at my laptop. |
| 12:52.04 | Sho_ | _RedGhost_; Just curious because your above sentence wrt/ settings sounded like you're still having a KDE3-based Yakuake |
| 12:52.06 | jad4 | maybe that has something to do with it |
| 12:52.36 | _RedGhost_ | Sho_: hm, I guess I just carried over my settings from kde3 |
| 12:52.55 | _RedGhost_ | I haven't really needed to tweak yakuake on kde4 because it just works |
| 12:53.26 | _RedGhost_ | apt-cache show yakuake |
| 12:53.32 | _RedGhost_ | Version: 2.9.4-1 |
| 12:53.47 | Sho_ | that'd be the latest release, yeah |
| 12:53.52 | _RedGhost_ | must be the one I have at home |
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| 12:55.19 | convoyto | hi everybody |
| 12:55.50 | _RedGhost_ | well, sidux is just debian unstable + an admin script, so I can get the latest debian bleeding edge |
| 12:55.55 | _RedGhost_ | hello |
| 12:56.25 | convoyto | could some one help me. i would like to set a ne theme i downloaded. but dont know how to install on kubuntu 8 kde 4.12 |
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| 12:57.36 | convoyto | for icon set i already find a sollution but for the theme not yet |
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| 12:58.53 | freeedrich| | convoyto: uh? Just right click your desktop? And see the settings there? |
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| 13:22.27 | yao_ziyuan | dioes a plasma theme contain executable code? |
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| 13:27.29 | N1ck | Hi! Does anybody know where I can get Konqueror sources? |
| 13:27.53 | tictric | anonsvn.kde.org |
| 13:28.02 | Jucato | ftp.kde.org |
| 13:28.38 | Jucato | http://www.kde.org/download/ too |
| 13:28.48 | Jucato | Konqueror is part of kdebase |
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| 13:31.38 | N1ck | Thanks! I've got it |
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| 13:37.46 | Sho_ | yao_ziyuan: no |
| 13:38.05 | kc8hfi | Ok, this is not working. I'm trying to build the xml file for a kdm theme, and this http://fpaste.org/paste/7504 is not working as intended |
| 13:38.08 | Sho_ | yao_ziyuan: It's a bunch of graphics files and meta data in plain text |
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| 13:39.43 | kc8hfi | the documentation here http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-workspace/kdm/theme-format.html says thats the way it works, |
| 13:39.55 | kc8hfi | If i change the type from rect to pixmap, it works as intended. |
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| 13:41.32 | kc8hfi | I want to specify a container, boxed, fixed, rectangle, it don't matter which one because none of these is working like the docs say they should be. Is the documentation not up to date for kde4? |
| 13:41.51 | ManaPirat | Hi there :) |
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| 13:42.55 | ManaPirat | i am using kde 4.1 on gentoo. Rather smooth install but any idea why some apps like kmail fail to start cause they drag in /usr/kde/3.5/share/apps/khtml/css/html4.css ? |
| 13:43.14 | _RedGhost_ | bad packaging? |
| 13:43.25 | Jucato | ManaPirat: #gentoo-kde perhaps? |
| 13:43.27 | ManaPirat | well it works for others so it could be my mistake ;) |
| 13:43.33 | ManaPirat | i asked there ;) pretty idle |
| 13:43.47 | ManaPirat | if you could lead me into the right direction i might be able to fix it myself .. |
| 13:44.06 | pusling | ManaPirat: what's KDEDIRS set to ? |
| 13:44.10 | ManaPirat | where is it configured that KHTML looks for its stylsheets? |
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| 13:44.40 | ManaPirat | KDEDIRS=/usr:/usr/local:/usr/kde/3.5 |
| 13:44.41 | ManaPirat | hmmmmm |
| 13:44.53 | ManaPirat | wonder where that comes from ... |
| 13:45.06 | pusling | there you got it. |
| 13:45.19 | ManaPirat | thank you :) |
| 13:45.25 | pusling | what does kde4-config --path data give you ? |
| 13:45.37 | Jucato | ManaPirat: from <_RedGhost_> bad packaging? :) |
| 13:46.38 | ManaPirat | why quote? :-P |
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| 13:48.17 | LoneTech | why does plasma not swallow kde3 tray icons? |
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| 13:50.56 | _RedGhost_ | LoneTech: what do you mean by that? |
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| 13:52.03 | ManaPirat | ok - pad packaging :D |
| 13:52.06 | ManaPirat | eehm bad |
| 13:52.09 | LoneTech | I have debian unstable, with some kde4.1 bits from experimental. That includes konqueror, plasma etc. kde4 (f.e. calendar) and gnome (f.e. pidgin) apps get swallowed by plasma tray, but kde3 apps (kpowersave, knetworkmanager) do not |
| 13:52.42 | ManaPirat | ha now i have a general KDE_question |
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| 13:53.01 | _RedGhost_ | LoneTech: hm, I think it used to work when I had the old amarok 1.4 |
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| 13:53.06 | ManaPirat | Is the an option to only include the windows in the taskbar that are on the current virtual desktop? |
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| 13:53.08 | KotBehemot | hello there |
| 13:53.14 | ManaPirat | my taskbar gets cluttered easily |
| 13:53.14 | _RedGhost_ | LoneTech: maybe a recent regression |
| 13:53.17 | ManaPirat | hi Kot |
| 13:53.21 | KotBehemot | how can i force kdm4.1 to be in language i want and to use font i want? |
| 13:53.28 | KotBehemot | ManaPirat: oh u are also here;p |
| 13:53.32 | _RedGhost_ | ManaPirat: yep, since 4.1 |
| 13:53.45 | ManaPirat | yes i am ;) multichanneling |
| 13:53.52 | KotBehemot | :] me either;p |
| 13:53.53 | ManaPirat | aha and where is that option "hidden"? :) |
| 13:54.07 | KotBehemot | dunno;p |
| 13:55.07 | lemma__ | ManaPirat: right-click the taskbar and select "Task Manager settings" |
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| 13:56.14 | ManaPirat | aaaah you have to find a free place to click on so you dont get the panel and not the taskbar |
| 13:56.17 | ManaPirat | thanks |
| 13:56.21 | LoneTech | I'd just run kicker, but its package depends on a kdebase-data version that the kde4 packages don't like. |
| 13:56.54 | _RedGhost_ | for info, kde4 from experimental works OK |
| 13:57.01 | _RedGhost_ | if you don't mind the occasional crash |
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| 13:58.21 | Krooks | Is there no MultiColumn view in dolphin ? |
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| 14:03.32 | kc8hfi | anybody here actually building login themes for kde4> |
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| 14:06.44 | _RedGhost_ | kc8hfi: considering how many login themes I found for kde4, not likely |
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| 14:12.27 | kc8hfi | have you actually tried? |
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| 14:12.48 | kc8hfi | I've tried to tweak kde3 themes, but that failed horribly |
| 14:12.52 | _RedGhost_ | myself? no |
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| 14:14.25 | _RedGhost_ | kc8hfi: and no better for kde4? |
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| 14:19.10 | Half-Left | KDM hasn't had much love but they have made it look more like Oxygen style |
| 14:23.13 | kc8hfi | the documentation doesn't fit what happens |
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| 14:28.37 | kc8hfi | I get a theme not usable with authentication method error message with the older kde3 themes. I'm working on trying to find out why kde4 is skipping entire sections in the xml file |
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| 14:33.59 | kishore | where can i find the KDE git repositories? I wish to change my company SCM to GIT and would like to see how kde organizes its respos |
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| 14:34.35 | kishore | google gives me some really old results from 2007 |
| 14:35.48 | cb400f | kishore: afaik KDE uses svn :-) |
| 14:36.28 | kishore | cb400f: yes im aware, but i hear that experimental got respos are available before a complete swith is made |
| 14:36.47 | cb400f | kishore: .. but I think Linus and the other git devs used kde svn to test git in extreme conditions :-) |
| 14:37.39 | kishore | cb400f: given its size? |
| 14:37.50 | cb400f | yep |
| 14:38.09 | cb400f | and many branches and such |
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| 14:39.04 | kishore | yeah i am curious to know how the modules are managed. It would help me plan |
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| 14:53.48 | Dr3mro | hello i have a q? plz ... is it possible to have mac os x like menu bar in kde 4 like we had in kde 3.5 |
| 14:54.15 | boom1992 | Dr3mro: yeah, it is in work afaik^^ |
| 14:54.46 | Hydrogen | so the answer is no |
| 14:54.50 | Half-Left | Or use the Bespin theme |
| 14:56.08 | Dr3mro | boom1992, i downloaded kde 4 live cd before i install it but i didnt find that feature ? |
| 14:56.18 | Dr3mro | how can i hange it ? |
| 14:56.28 | boom1992 | Dr3mro: |
| 14:56.34 | boom1992 | it's not there currently |
| 14:56.38 | boom1992 | but some guy is working on it |
| 14:56.41 | boom1992 | I dunno |
| 14:56.52 | boom1992 | will be there probably with kde 4.2, but not sure ;) |
| 14:58.00 | Dr3mro | boom1992, thank you i like hte look of kde better than gnome and vista i really like it but i like mac style also so i gues i will wait for it for now thnx |
| 14:58.36 | Half-Left | Dr3mro: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Bespin?content=63928 |
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| 15:00.02 | Jucato | that doesn't really solve his initial question though |
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| 15:00.45 | Dr3mro | Half-Left, nice theme but i dont talk about theme but the menu bar (global menu ) like os x |
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| 15:01.11 | Half-Left | Well, it's better than nothing, which you have now :p |
| 15:01.33 | Half-Left | That theme comes with a OS X bar |
| 15:01.39 | Jucato | certainly doesn't consider Oxygen "nothing" |
| 15:01.51 | Jucato | really? |
| 15:01.59 | Half-Left | I mean nothing as it OS X menu bar |
| 15:02.06 | Half-Left | in* |
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| 15:02.16 | Hydrogen | no it doesn't |
| 15:02.22 | Hydrogen | come with an os x bar |
| 15:02.22 | Half-Left | Yes it does |
| 15:02.26 | Hydrogen | thats way beyond the style |
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| 15:03.00 | _RedGhost_ | never managed to compile bespin |
| 15:03.03 | Jucato | Half-Left: <Half-Left> I mean nothing as in OS X menu bar <--- you're not making |
| 15:03.05 | Jucato | any sense |
| 15:03.07 | Dr3mro | oxygen is great better than default os x in my opinion but global menu is far better than default windowish behaviuor in kde4 |
| 15:03.27 | _RedGhost_ | well, with krunner the menu is mostly obsolete |
| 15:03.49 | Half-Left | Jucato: The guy current doe'nt even have a OS X bar, the theme give you that |
| 15:04.03 | Half-Left | Thats why I said it's better than nothing |
| 15:04.16 | Jucato | Half-Left: the theme doesn't give you that |
| 15:04.26 | Jucato | you do know what Dr3mro is talking about, right? |
| 15:04.28 | Half-Left | Yes it does, go get svn |
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| 15:05.36 | Dr3mro | so u mean despin will give me the global menu for kde 4 ??? i doubt :) |
| 15:05.41 | Half-Left | I know exactly what he's talking, it' your the one who is missunderstaning |
| 15:06.09 | Half-Left | Dr3mro: Yes, I seen the option in svn or partly implemented |
| 15:06.12 | Jucato | well then if that were true, bespin is no longer just a widget style, but would have a plasmoid |
| 15:06.18 | Half-Left | for that theme |
| 15:06.30 | Dr3mro | so i download kde form svn and it will be there ? |
| 15:06.41 | Dr3mro | Half-Left, coool |
| 15:06.42 | Half-Left | No, that theme has a svn |
| 15:07.01 | Dr3mro | ooh .. bespin svn not kde svn |
| 15:07.05 | Dr3mro | am i right |
| 15:07.06 | Half-Left | http://cloudcity.sourceforge.net/download.php |
| 15:09.44 | Half-Left | Dr3mro: Last time I tried the theme i'm pretty sure I seen a option for a mac menu bar, I didn't try it so it maybe unimplemented or I may have made a mistake |
| 15:10.16 | Dr3mro | Half-Left, ok thnk you |
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| 15:10.36 | Dr3mro | any one here know about mac os x menu bar style for kde 4 ? |
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| 15:12.12 | Half-Left | Dr3mro: "A suggestion though: I am thinking that maybe the mac-menu bar would look nicer without showing the name of the focused window" |
| 15:13.21 | Dr3mro | Half-Left, may be its your taste ... that what i like in linux .. but plz how to get it i dont mind if there is a name of focused menu :( |
| 15:13.26 | Jucato | (that wouldn't be a mac menu bar anymore would it? not to mention confusing) |
| 15:14.03 | Half-Left | Dr3mro: I quoted that, read what the people are saying about it |
| 15:14.25 | Dr3mro | Jucato, its not confusing if you get to it and it saves alot of space on the screen |
| 15:14.50 | Jucato | Dr3mro: I meant it's confusing if you don't have the name of the focused app on the menu bar |
| 15:15.11 | Jucato | because how would you know whose menus it is currently displaying? |
| 15:15.15 | Dr3mro | Jucato, my mistake sorry |
| 15:15.19 | Half-Left | Just try it and see, saves even more confusion |
| 15:15.42 | Jucato | Half-Left: with the name of the app? |
| 15:16.02 | Dr3mro | van any one give me link to svn so i can eead more about that plz |
| 15:16.14 | Jucato | (almost all apps have File Edit View.... Help... so guess which one it is by going Help -> About App?) |
| 15:16.30 | Jucato | Dr3mro: I believe it's there <Half-Left> http://cloudcity.sourceforge.net/download.php |
| 15:16.32 | Half-Left | Jucato: I just read what was said about it, other than that, loike I've said, i've never tried that option with the theme |
| 15:16.46 | Half-Left | like* |
| 15:16.53 | Jucato | <Half-Left> Just try it and see, saves even more confusion <--- so where did this come from? :) |
| 15:17.11 | Half-Left | Try the theme for yourself |
| 15:17.21 | _RedGhost_ | Half-Left: does it compile now? |
| 15:17.28 | Half-Left | rather than speculate about it :p |
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| 15:17.38 | Jucato | I'm not an idiot. I know how the mac menu works in KDE 3. I've used it |
| 15:17.58 | Jucato | I'm not confused by it. I'm saying that the proposal you quoted would make it confusing |
| 15:17.59 | Half-Left | I didn't say you didn't know |
| 15:18.10 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.19 | Half-Left | Ugh |
| 15:18.37 | Half-Left | Rather than speculate about it, IN THE THEME |
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| 15:19.38 | Half-Left | _RedGhost_: Lats time I tried it did, just was a bit unstable for me in some places |
| 15:19.43 | Half-Left | last* |
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| 15:20.06 | MBision | can anyone help a noob out? I can't seem to get my mouse to work...I'm using FreeBSD 6.2, KDE 3.5 in VMWare |
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| 15:23.24 | MBision | Sorry if I'm such a noob but this is my first time with a unix server and its pretty foriegn to me |
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| 15:24.31 | _RedGhost_ | MBision: so what is your question? |
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| 15:25.07 | MBision | My mouse isn't recognized/won't move or click |
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| 15:25.58 | MBision | I opened up konsole but i'm not sure if there is a way to manage devices or what to do really |
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| 15:26.49 | _RedGhost_ | that's not really a kde issue, more like the layer below (that would be xorg) |
| 15:26.57 | Moult | how do i set it in kde so that if i press a certain key combination it executes a command? |
| 15:27.23 | llama__ | MBision: what do you see in /dev/input ? |
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| 15:28.18 | _RedGhost_ | MBision: if it's your first UNIX (or UNIX-like) system, you might want to try Linux instead (better hardware support) or PC-BSD instead of FreeBSD (more user-friendly) |
| 15:28.52 | llama__ | Moult: and what happens when you do: sudo cat -A /dev/input/mice ? move your mouse around a bunch you should see output |
| 15:29.33 | MBision | I got sudo: not found |
| 15:29.38 | Moult | llama__: yes....why? |
| 15:29.43 | MBision | sorry im so new but thank you all for your input |
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| 15:30.04 | Moult | llama__: oh misfire |
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| 15:30.10 | Moult | MBision: you have to install sudo |
| 15:30.35 | zefferno | After installing KDE4 why can't I see any files / icons placed on the desktop? |
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| 15:31.37 | cb400f | zefferno: .. very long story.. which differs depending on whether you talk about kde 4.0 or 4.1 |
| 15:31.50 | cb400f | if 4.1.. google for "folder view" |
| 15:33.40 | Moult | zefferno: basically everything on the desktop must be added as a widget (plasmoid). try clicking on the top right cashew-shaped icon and clicking add widgets, then look for folder view |
| 15:33.41 | zefferno | dam it's a widget now... |
| 15:34.08 | Moult | zefferno: though you can add stuff one by one not in a widget |
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| 15:36.24 | cb400f | zefferno: normally there should be a folder view widget showing ~/Desktop/ on you desktop by default |
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| 15:38.13 | _RedGhost_ | widget which is slowish on nvidia |
| 15:38.21 | zefferno | I managed to make it works but it looks bad. |
| 15:38.43 | zefferno | work* |
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| 15:39.41 | zefferno | And yes, it does looks like it's slows down performance when min/max windows.. |
| 15:40.37 | _RedGhost_ | you're on nivida? |
| 15:40.43 | zefferno | yeah |
| 15:41.29 | _RedGhost_ | try this: nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1 |
| 15:41.34 | _RedGhost_ | should speed it up |
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| 15:43.37 | zefferno | thanks! difference is big. |
| 15:44.07 | _RedGhost_ | zefferno: just make a script and add that to autostart |
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| 15:56.54 | Mac40DO | Is there someone here, who does NOT think KDE4 is scrap? |
| 15:57.05 | Mac40DO | anyone |
| 15:58.25 | Mac40DO | How can I put an application icon into the tray of kde4? |
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| 16:00.12 | Mac40DO | Is there a way to put the application launcher from the right side to the left side? |
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| 16:00.40 | Moult | Mac40DO: i like KDE4 |
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| 16:00.56 | Mac40DO | Moult: I am frustrated with kde4 |
| 16:01.00 | kc8hfi | Mac40DO: Yep you can move it |
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| 16:01.24 | Mac40DO | kc8hfi: Please tell me, how |
| 16:01.40 | Moult | Mac40DO: if it's on the panel, click the cashew |
| 16:01.45 | Moult | Mac40DO: then just drag i |
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| 16:01.46 | Moult | *it |
| 16:02.07 | kc8hfi | Mac40DO: what Moult just said |
| 16:02.23 | kc8hfi | Mac40DO: or you could right click on the panel, go to panel settings, and drag it from there |
| 16:02.34 | Mac40DO | kc8hfi: wow, it works, but why so complicated? |
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| 16:03.02 | kc8hfi | Mac40DO: don't ask me. I liked it when you could just right click them, and then select the move option |
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| 16:03.35 | kc8hfi | I'm a little frustrated with kde4, but I believe they are moving in the right direction, just haven't gotten there yet |
| 16:03.54 | Mac40DO | kc8hfi: Is it possible to put an application icon into the panel? |
| 16:03.58 | Jucato | because Plasma was designed with interfaces other than a desktop or laptop in mind (a.k.a. devices that don't have right mouse buttons) |
| 16:04.07 | jazka | Mac40DO: drag and drop it there? |
| 16:04.09 | Jucato | Mac40DO: right-click on the item in the K Menu -> Add to Panel |
| 16:04.12 | pinotree | just drag it from the menu |
| 16:04.14 | Jucato | or drag and drop into the panel |
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| 16:04.28 | kc8hfi | Jucato: Ahh, I didn't think of that. makes sense though. |
| 16:05.00 | MZM | any idea why Konqueror-3.5.10 toolbar items gone missing after installing konqueror-4.1.2 (Gentoo ~x86)? |
| 16:05.41 | Mac40DO | Jucato: it does not work in kde4 |
| 16:05.53 | kc8hfi | Is there a way to change the color of the panel? |
| 16:05.56 | Jucato | Mac40DO: it does. I'm using KDE 4 |
| 16:05.59 | Jucato | kc8hfi: |
| 16:06.07 | Jucato | kc8hfi: connected to the Desktop (Plasma) theme |
| 16:06.28 | Jucato | MZM: what toolbar items? what app? |
| 16:06.38 | Mac40DO | Jucato: When I rightclick on the item in the k Menu, the application launches. |
| 16:06.51 | Jucato | Mac40DO: you are probably using the Classic Menu style |
| 16:06.57 | Jucato | (imho that's a bug...) |
| 16:07.09 | Mac40DO | Jucato: Of course. |
| 16:07.10 | MZM | Jucato: Konqueror main toolbar all action buttons (back, forward, home) are missing (except "reload" and "stop") |
| 16:07.14 | Jucato | if you change to the Default Application Launcher style it will work |
| 16:07.26 | Mac40DO | Kickoff-Style ist far too slow to use. |
| 16:07.58 | Jucato | Mac40DO: typing in the app name, or putting your most used apps in the favorites tab is slower than going through menus and submenus? |
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| 16:08.11 | Jucato | MZM: ah right.. never did figure that one out :) |
| 16:08.12 | MZM | kate 2.5.10 (on 3.5.10) is missing "copy", "paste", "print" et.al. buttons :( |
| 16:08.57 | Mac40DO | Jucato: I you have forgotten the name of the app, or you don't have it in your favourites, searching in kick-off style is terrible. |
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| 16:09.01 | Mac40DO | If |
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| 16:10.34 | MZM | damn'! kate isn't showing open documents too! |
| 16:11.07 | Jucato | use KDE 4's Kate.. much nicer :) |
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| 16:12.13 | Jucato | <Mac40DO> Jucato: I you have forgotten the name of the app <--- kickoff searches by description too |
| 16:12.13 | Mac40DO | Sorry, I closed the terminal with the kvirc-job :-) |
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| 16:12.40 | Mac40DO | Jucato: Drag and drop does not work, even from kockoff-style |
| 16:12.41 | MZM | Jucato: I was planning to test KDE4 before using it as main work environmet... |
| 16:12.44 | Zonei | Hi, I need some help. I've broken 4.1, don't know what to do. I can't move the main panel to bottom, and when I add widgets to it, it maximizes their width and stacks them vertically... |
| 16:13.03 | Jucato | Mac40DO: it works, but a bit tricky. but right-click will work in kickoff |
| 16:13.42 | Jucato | Mac40DO: to drag and drop, you have to be sure that you are dropping in between items (your cursor shouldn't have that stop/no sign) |
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| 16:14.18 | kc8hfi | Jucato: I hate to sound stupid, but what would I be searching for in system settings to change that color? |
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| 16:14.43 | Jucato | kc8hfi: Plasma theme -> right-click on desktop -> Desktop Settings |
| 16:14.58 | Mac40DO | Jocato: Ok it worked, with "add to panel". But drag an drop does not work. |
| 16:15.10 | Jucato | <Jucato> Mac40DO: to drag and drop, you have to be sure that you are dropping in between items (your cursor shouldn't have that stop/no sign) |
| 16:15.41 | Jucato | your cursor would have that [+] sign if it is on an empty space where you can drop it |
| 16:15.45 | Jucato | like I said, it's tricky |
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| 16:17.24 | kc8hfi | Jucato: Oh, ok. |
| 16:17.25 | Krooks | Where is dolphin's view mode configuration file save to ? |
| 16:17.35 | kc8hfi | I reckon you've gotta install more themes to get more colors. |
| 16:17.47 | Jucato | kc8hfi: you reckon correct |
| 16:18.11 | Jucato | Krooks: ~/.kde4/share/config/ most probably (or ~/.kde/ if that's where your distro sets KDEHOME up) |
| 16:18.11 | m1nimal | #fedora |
| 16:18.17 | kc8hfi | Jucato: Have you messed around with the xml files for kdm themes for kde4? |
| 16:18.37 | Jucato | nope |
| 16:18.43 | Krooks | Jucato: whats the name of the file ? dolphinrc ? |
| 16:19.49 | Jucato | Krooks: look slike it |
| 16:19.54 | Jucato | "looks like it" |
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| 16:21.02 | Mac40DO | closed again the terminal LOL... kvirc wasn't in the kde-menu...don't know, why kde4 didn't find it. |
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| 16:21.32 | Krooks | Jucato: I think the view mode configuration is kept somewhere else. Cause I made changes and nothing chnages in the file |
| 16:22.04 | Jucato | Krooks: which configuration exactly? |
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| 16:22.32 | Krooks | For example, the width of the column of files ? |
| 16:22.49 | White_Pelican | hello Jucato |
| 16:23.16 | Jucato | hi White_Pelican |
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| 16:24.24 | White_Pelican | there is a bug in regards to kio-slaves and the cd rom |
| 16:24.41 | White_Pelican | it doesn't show flac as an option |
| 16:25.03 | Jucato | Krooks: not exactly sure, but you can try ~/.kde4/share/apps/dolphin/ as well |
| 16:25.18 | White_Pelican | bug has existed for almost a year |
| 16:25.34 | White_Pelican | any idea if it's just kubuntu or the whole of kde? |
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| 16:25.55 | Jucato | White_Pelican: what's the bug? |
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| 16:26.48 | White_Pelican | when you insert a cd in the drive, and it asks you what you want to do, if you open in a new window, it does not offer flac as an option |
| 16:27.04 | White_Pelican | and I have the libs necessary |
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| 16:27.15 | codygo | any idea why keyboard shortcuts wouldn't work once set in the menu editor? |
| 16:27.16 | White_Pelican | it has been reported already |
| 16:27.25 | White_Pelican | on the kubuntu forums |
| 16:27.37 | Jucato | I don't have KDE 3 anymore in here, so I can't really verify, but afaik it works. so I'm thinking it's a distro thing |
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| 16:27.55 | Jucato | codygo: KDE 4.1? currently broken. I think that is at least fixed in 4.2 |
| 16:28.00 | Jucato | (but not input actions) |
| 16:28.04 | codygo | yeah 4.1.2 |
| 16:28.22 | Jucato | White_Pelican: if it's reported in kubuntuforums *only*, then it really might be a Kubuntu thing only |
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| 16:28.59 | White_Pelican | I don't know if it was reported in kubuntu only |
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| 16:29.11 | White_Pelican | but you might be right |
| 16:29.14 | Jucato | you could check in bugs.kde.org |
| 16:29.27 | Jucato | (but also check if it only affects Kubuntu as indicated there) |
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| 16:31.33 | Mac40DO | What is the Desktop good for? I can't put any files there. |
| 16:33.02 | White_Pelican | btw Jucato, I found a workaround |
| 16:33.03 | Jucato | yes you can. in more ways than one |
| 16:33.04 | lemma__ | Mac40DO: using the folder view you can put many files in many folders there |
| 16:33.23 | White_Pelican | I now rip cd's using k3b |
| 16:33.34 | Jucato | you can also put files directly on the desktop and they will behave like widgets |
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| 16:34.00 | Mac40DO | lemma_: Do I have to activate the folder view? |
| 16:34.15 | lemma__ | Mac40DO: use the cashew in the upper right to add a folderview applet |
| 16:34.30 | Mac40DO | lemma_ ok thanks |
| 16:34.30 | Jucato | Mac40DO: it should be there by default |
| 16:34.37 | Jucato | http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Introduction_to_Plasma |
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| 16:37.11 | Mac40DO | Ok, it is better now with kde 4, but it is not very intuitive. |
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| 16:37.34 | Jucato | the folder view should be there by default, unless your distro changed it. blame them :P |
| 16:37.47 | Jucato | it also clearly labels "Desktop" |
| 16:38.01 | Krooks | Any dolphin expert here ? |
| 16:38.24 | White_Pelican | did they fix the ability to change themes in kde 4 yet? |
| 16:38.39 | Krooks | I want the Text Width to be wider in dolphin |
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| 16:39.50 | Mac40DO | ohoh, something crashed..., kde-menu-icon is gone, bugzilla startet... |
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| 16:46.11 | Simla | does kopete support voice and video call of yahoo |
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| 16:46.24 | _RedGhost_ | don't know with yahoo |
| 16:46.30 | _RedGhost_ | it sort of works with MSN |
| 16:46.31 | Simla | does kopete support voice and video call of windows live |
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| 16:47.09 | Simla | RedGhost,does kopete support voice and video call of windows live |
| 16:48.15 | _RedGhost_ | yep |
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| 16:48.42 | _RedGhost_ | but the overall experience isn't always great |
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| 16:49.02 | _RedGhost_ | my USB webcam (actually, my partner's) tends to desynchronize |
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| 16:55.24 | indietrash | hi. what application would be the best for handling my wifi? I want a program that can search and connect to networks. nothing more. I don't want it to interfere with eth0 at all. I'm on KDE 3.5.9. |
| 16:55.52 | xenol | indietrash: knemo od knetworkmanager |
| 16:55.55 | xenol | one of these |
| 16:56.01 | xenol | tho iguess they are same |
| 16:56.12 | indietrash | what's knemo? only used knetworkmanager and I don't really like it. |
| 16:56.22 | xenol | knemo is knetwork.. |
| 16:56.43 | indietrash | does it have a sensible and user friendly gui for handling wlan? |
| 16:56.54 | _RedGhost_ | knemo just monitors stuff |
| 16:56.59 | xenol | ah |
| 16:57.04 | indietrash | so I need knetworkmanager? |
| 16:57.12 | xenol | ye |
| 16:57.16 | _RedGhost_ | which works |
| 16:57.17 | _RedGhost_ | sometimes |
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| 16:57.32 | indietrash | is there no other option to handle wlan with a good gui in kde? |
| 16:57.58 | _RedGhost_ | I think there's a GUI for wpa_supplicant somewhere |
| 16:58.34 | indietrash | I'm a bit scared of installing knetworkmanager. I just did emerge -a knetworkmanager, and it has all this crap I don't really want. |
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| 16:59.21 | indietrash | it won't touch my eth0 right? on my Fedora 9 install I have a problem with knetwormanager being the biggest pain in the arse when all I want to do is run dhcpcd and nothing else on eth0. |
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| 17:01.32 | _RedGhost_ | well, it depends on libnetworkmanager, so... |
| 17:02.37 | indietrash | do I need either of these: -arts -cisco -debug -dialup -openvpn (-pptp) -xinerama? |
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| 17:04.30 | _RedGhost_ | probably not |
| 17:04.40 | _RedGhost_ | you're on kde3? |
| 17:05.22 | indietrash | yes |
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| 17:05.55 | indietrash | I'm not all that into 4 yet. nvidia 9 series were horrible at 2d last time I used them in kde4. |
| 17:06.48 | Krooks | The one main reason why I'm not on KDE4 already is that Konqueror as a file-manager is much less powerful than it is in 3.5.x . Dolphin is not there yet. Konqueror was perfect for me. |
| 17:07.18 | indietrash | Konqueror is fantastic yes |
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| 17:07.42 | indietrash | lol. knetworkmanager crashed after two seconds. that's a first. |
| 17:07.45 | Krooks | indietrash: Lobe Konqueror. it realy conquers the desktop. |
| 17:08.03 | indietrash | "process 27569: arguments to dbus_connection_send() were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed in file dbus-connection.c line 3081." what? |
| 17:08.06 | Krooks | indietrash: Love Konqueror. it really conquers the desktop. |
| 17:08.26 | indietrash | Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory. |
| 17:08.32 | indietrash | what are my problems here? |
| 17:08.47 | Krooks | Dolphin was too hyped up but did not lived up |
| 17:09.00 | indietrash | it crashes whenever I move the mouse over the knetworkmanager icon in the tray. |
| 17:09.47 | Krooks | I don't see much is being done in Dolphin for 4.2 . So I will have to wait for 4.3 . |
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| 17:12.18 | _RedGhost_ | indietrash: well, it needs dbus running |
| 17:12.38 | _RedGhost_ | Krooks: what don't you like about dolphin? |
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| 17:13.38 | Krooks | _RedGhost_: I'm for this wishlist http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151164 |
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| 17:14.43 | Krooks | _RedGhost_: Basically, I like my MultiColumn view in Konqueror 3.5.x . The width of the column is set to the widest file for that column. |
| 17:15.06 | _RedGhost_ | I suppose multicolumn view would be OK, but I can live with the details mode |
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| 17:15.43 | _RedGhost_ | I think that handling HAL-mounted removable devices properly is more important :) |
| 17:15.52 | Krooks | _RedGhost_: I have been using MultiColumn view for more than 10 years now, In Windows Explorer and in Konqueror. |
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| 17:16.07 | _RedGhost_ | I use it in Windows too |
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| 17:16.34 | _RedGhost_ | most of my file handling on *nix is done via the command-line, though |
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| 17:17.13 | Krooks | You can't simply take away something that has been standard for so long, you can add other stuffs but don't take away stuffs thats already been kinda like a 'standard' feature thats expected. |
| 17:18.08 | _RedGhost_ | depends on how critical it's considered, I would say |
| 17:18.26 | _RedGhost_ | but I'd much prefer it to, say, a Finder-like behaviour (aaarg) |
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| 17:19.41 | Krooks | First give us what we already used to, then suggest/coax/prove/give us something new that you think is better for us. I think with that mindset, puts a lot in perspective. |
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| 17:20.57 | Krooks | Change is a stressful thing, make it easier for us users. |
| 17:21.05 | JohnBat26 | Hello |
| 17:21.07 | JohnBat26 | I don't start kmail inside kontact |
| 17:21.09 | JohnBat26 | QLibrary::load_sys: Cannot load /usr/lib64/kde4/kmailpart.so |
| 17:21.11 | JohnBat26 | (/usr/lib64/libkmailprivate.so.4: undefined symbol: |
| 17:21.13 | JohnBat26 | _ZN4KPIM8KMeditor16contextMenuEventEP17QContextMenuEvent) |
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| 17:21.25 | JohnBat26 | Help me please |
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| 17:22.15 | _RedGhost_ | it's reasonable that stuff is included if there's sufficient demand for it (as opposed to the "pidgin mindset") |
| 17:22.50 | Shootdown | hello |
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| 17:23.18 | Shootdown | does anyone get to do work KsCD in KDE 4.1 ? |
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| 17:23.32 | indietrash_ | msg _RedGhost_ dbus is running. still doesn't work. |
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| 17:24.10 | _RedGhost_ | indietrash_: same error message? |
| 17:24.17 | indietrash | yes |
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| 17:24.26 | indietrash | I am now however trying to connect via iwconfig |
| 17:24.28 | indietrash | how do you do that? |
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| 17:24.55 | _RedGhost_ | oh man |
| 17:25.26 | indietrash | I have a password protected network I want to get on |
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| 17:27.28 | _RedGhost_ | something like sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid <youressid> key s:<your_password> |
| 17:27.42 | _RedGhost_ | and I think you need to ifup wlan0 after that |
| 17:28.49 | indietrash | I did iwconfig essid <myessid> restricted s:<mypasswd> && dhclient wlan0 |
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| 17:29.29 | indietrash | I got: No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. |
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| 17:29.59 | _RedGhost_ | hm, sounds more like a dhcp problem than a wifi one |
| 17:30.58 | indietrash | but what to do then? |
| 17:31.15 | indietrash | err. nevermind. I'll let the boys in #linux sort that out. you can help me with knetworkmanager instead. why does it crash? :p |
| 17:31.29 | _RedGhost_ | try and connect with a fixed IP? |
| 17:31.45 | _RedGhost_ | still complaining about dbus? |
| 17:32.07 | indietrash | Connection to D-Bus system message bus failed: |
| 17:32.09 | indietrash | Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory. |
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| 17:33.09 | _RedGhost_ | indietrash: you sure dbus is working? |
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| 17:33.33 | indietrash | well I just did dbus-launch |
| 17:33.40 | _RedGhost_ | it appears in the lists of processes? |
| 17:33.57 | indietrash | wow |
| 17:34.00 | indietrash | there's many of them |
| 17:34.17 | _RedGhost_ | you should have one or two dbus-daemon instances |
| 17:34.21 | indietrash | there's like 4 dæmons + launch |
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| 17:35.36 | _RedGhost_ | what about the socket it complains about? is it there? |
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| 17:36.10 | indietrash | I do not have a system_bus_socket |
| 17:36.12 | wt | anyone know how to configure the bii window decoration to automatically unhide the titlebars...I can't find the option in my current KDE |
| 17:36.17 | indietrash | my /var/run/dbus folder is empty |
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| 17:36.46 | _RedGhost_ | maybe a permission issue? |
| 17:36.56 | indietrash | well I'm root so I wouldn't think so |
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| 17:39.13 | indietrash | does http://rafb.net/p/NnvSw625.html tell you anything about why dhclient won't work? |
| 17:39.20 | indietrash | oh |
| 17:39.22 | indietrash | sorry |
| 17:39.24 | indietrash | wrong paste |
| 17:39.52 | indietrash | meh. anyway. I'll guess I'll just try some forums |
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| 17:41.45 | tyoc | how is called the terminal of KDE? |
| 17:41.54 | gkiagia | konsole |
| 17:41.59 | tyoc | or how I do run it from alt+f2? |
| 17:42.01 | tyoc | OK |
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| 17:43.02 | lupine_85 | In KDE 4, is there any way to force plasma to save the desktop layout/settings/etc? Right now, every time it crashes and restores itself, it doesn't put things back where they were |
| 17:43.13 | lupine_85 | it also kind of gives me a completely blank panel |
| 17:43.29 | tyoc | how do I switch screen resolution with key combination? |
| 17:43.40 | tyoc | ctrl+alt++?? |
| 17:43.56 | frederic | hello. Got a problem. I switch from 3.6 to 4.1 and my desktop and menu disapeared. how to recover ? Thanks |
| 17:44.02 | tyoc | the resulutions displayed with xrandr |
| 17:44.42 | drantin | 3.6? |
| 17:45.07 | lupine_85 | it's what you get if you round 3.5.9 up ? |
| 17:45.17 | frederic | kde 3.6 (I think) drantin |
| 17:45.22 | drantin | 3.5.10 exists too |
| 17:46.05 | lupine_85 | plasma just doesn't seem to have any option to save the current layout of plasmoids and panels and the like :/ |
| 17:46.33 | _RedGhost_ | lupine_85: it's saved by the session saving mechanism, I think |
| 17:46.59 | lupine_85 | I logged out and logged back in at one point, and it did the same poor job of restoring the session :/ |
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| 17:47.49 | lupine_85 | (well. the applications were fine, and non-panel'd plasmoids came back - they were just in the wrong place and had the wrong dimensions. the panel did the same as it does now - comes back empty, with rounded edges) |
| 17:47.57 | _RedGhost_ | hm |
| 17:48.00 | _RedGhost_ | what distro? |
| 17:48.09 | lupine_85 | Debian sid/experimental |
| 17:48.12 | lupine_85 | KDE 4.1.2 |
| 17:48.15 | frederic | _RedGhost_, mandriva 2009 |
| 17:48.46 | _RedGhost_ | that's funny, I have same distro and it restores without problems |
| 17:49.06 | _RedGhost_ | did you try to rename your kde profile and try again? |
| 17:49.08 | lupine_85 | wonders if it's related to any of the files in plasma_engine_comic |
| 17:49.14 | lupine_85 | erm, no |
| 17:49.28 | lupine_85 | aaand no, they're just data |
| 17:49.35 | gkiagia | lupine_85: does plasma crash when logging out? |
| 17:49.51 | lupine_85 | not as far as I can see |
| 17:49.58 | _RedGhost_ | the comic plasmoid works just fine :) |
| 17:49.58 | lupine_85 | it's certainly plausible as a mechanism though |
| 17:50.07 | lupine_85 | aye, the naming confused me slightly |
| 17:50.36 | gkiagia | does "kquitapp plasma && plasma" save the layout? |
| 17:50.40 | lupine_85 | plasma/plasmoids/<plasmoid_name>/data would be a better place to put it :p |
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| 17:51.19 | lupine_85 | gkiagia: that's the kind of thing I was looking for :). Humm. I getplasma(24434): Communication problem with "plasma" , it probably crashed. |
| 17:51.31 | lupine_85 | (along with some messages about composite) |
| 17:51.50 | lupine_85 | oooh |
| 17:51.52 | gkiagia | and what is the result? |
| 17:52.03 | lupine_85 | success |
| 17:52.16 | lupine_85 | you = nonfictional deity |
| 17:52.43 | gkiagia | lol |
| 17:52.57 | lupine_85 | is still waiting for radeonhd to give him composite :p |
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| 17:53.11 | gkiagia | me too... |
| 17:53.27 | lupine_85 | curse you, R600. curse you! |
| 17:53.46 | gkiagia | why curse it? I like it |
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| 17:54.36 | lupine_85 | well, I am a raging AMD fanboi |
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| 17:57.15 | lupine_85 | I guess I should lern2cod3plasmoids now |
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| 18:03.40 | Krooks | Seems like plasma has received a lot of work for 4.2 |
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| 18:04.26 | lupine_85 | ooh, goody. is that due next month? |
| 18:04.43 | Krooks | next year |
| 18:04.49 | _RedGhost_ | *grins* |
| 18:05.00 | _RedGhost_ | kde4 usable, one year after 4.0 |
| 18:05.08 | wt | that's good...I think plasma is really shaping up in 4.1.2 |
| 18:05.24 | wt | how long did 2.0 or 3.0 take? |
| 18:05.26 | wt | hehe |
| 18:05.33 | _RedGhost_ | probably long too |
| 18:05.48 | _RedGhost_ | it's a huge challenge to throw away so much of your codebase |
| 18:06.06 | Krooks | wt: well, its more stable but feature wise, 4.2 will be much better. Well all this I read from the digests on the dot |
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| 18:06.43 | _RedGhost_ | if dolphin doesn't crash when it sees images in a size it doesn't like, I'm putting it on my work desktop |
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| 18:06.45 | _RedGhost_ | :D |
| 18:07.00 | Krooks | hate dolphin |
| 18:07.08 | Krooks | love konqueror |
| 18:07.09 | Worf | konqueror for ever! :) |
| 18:07.18 | Krooks | Konqueror forever ! |
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| 18:07.32 | Krooks | We are the Konqueror my friends |
| 18:07.55 | Krooks | We'll keep on konquering till the end |
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| 18:08.32 | _RedGhost_ | I, for one, never found it terribly intuitive |
| 18:08.47 | _RedGhost_ | not to mention the layout of options, which is reminiscent of Mozilla (and not in a good way) |
| 18:08.58 | boergen | Hi there, what could be the reason that PowerDevil isn't able to dim my notebook's display? Changing its brightness with the Fn key does work fine. |
| 18:09.00 | Krooks | _RedGhost_: Then we have to konquer you :) |
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| 18:11.42 | wt | boergen: the dimming for you notebook may not be supported in software |
| 18:11.53 | Krooks | I must say back in the 2.X days, when konqueror was first developed as one app rules them all thing, I did not like it. Then in 3.x it really shines. |
| 18:12.03 | Worf | well - konqueror or dolphin or whatever - doesn't really matter in the end i guess ... seems both will keep living on ... |
| 18:12.06 | wt | boergen: using the fn key combos probably goes through something in the acpi firmware |
| 18:12.48 | _RedGhost_ | uses d3lphin for browsing |
| 18:13.03 | Worf | currently i am more concerned about which way look of the desktop, plasma stuff, window decorator, ... is going ... |
| 18:13.31 | Krooks | Worf: but they made konqueror use dolphin's part. They ripped konqueror apart. Damn them all. |
| 18:13.43 | Worf | damn |
| 18:13.55 | _RedGhost_ | konqueror got konquered :p |
| 18:14.27 | Krooks | I'm being dramatic. Sorry, to all the developers. I did not mean it. Appreciate the stuffs you all did and do |
| 18:14.30 | Worf | i can't help it - i really like the default kde3.5.x look - and i really really don't like the borderless kde4 style ... |
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| 18:14.59 | Krooks | Worf: Me too, I dislike the borderless kde4 style |
| 18:15.19 | _RedGhost_ | has a borderless kde3 style |
| 18:15.26 | pinotree | just like the style is hardcoded and you cannot change it, uh? |
| 18:15.42 | Krooks | _RedGhost_: you are like the exact opposite of me. Thats amazing. |
| 18:15.50 | boergen | wt: It did work before, but since I did some KDE update, it doesn't work anymore. |
| 18:16.06 | boergen | Just like suspend2ram and suspend2disk which did work out of the box pretty well. |
| 18:16.13 | Worf | pinotree: the problem is: it's all done in a way that tries to fit together. using kde3 look now looks weird too |
| 18:16.24 | Worf | ( my opinion ) |
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| 18:16.42 | Krooks | actually pinotree made a good point |
| 18:17.14 | Krooks | I retract my dislike for kde4 borderless style |
| 18:17.22 | pinotree | Worf: i was replying to the various "i dislike foobar becuase the default look is bla [while it can be easily changed]" |
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| 18:17.40 | Krooks | ok, I better shut up. |
| 18:17.53 | wt | boergen: nevermind then :) |
| 18:18.07 | pinotree | especially when the style of said foobar is easily changeable (widget style, window decorations, etc), then this complain is quite moot |
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| 18:18.40 | Samuel-NotAFK | I can't make a £ symbol in kde apps |
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| 18:19.00 | pinotree | i don't like the default plasma theme either, but i found a couple of themes that are (_for me_, of course) nice |
| 18:19.28 | Samuel-NotAFK | koffice-i18n-enb is installed |
| 18:20.26 | pinotree | Samuel-NotAFK: that package just provides the translations for the koffice applications |
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| 18:20.49 | Samuel-NotAFK | pinotree: What package do I need then? |
| 18:20.58 | pinotree | Samuel-NotAFK: try to change the keyboard layout, kde control center / systemsettings â regional & accessibility â keyboard layout |
| 18:21.11 | Worf | pinotree: ok, it's easy to change some stuff ... especially window decoration. some aspects of the look&feel can't be changed that easily or at least when trying to change i ended up far away from where i did try to get. but i guess (or hope) that such things will improve |
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| 18:23.09 | Worf | pinotree: of course this makes me sound like the average noob. maybe i turned into one allrady. in the past i was among those who built kde 2.x and kde 3.x from sources long before release, now it seems i'm getting old and whining about the good old times :) |
| 18:23.16 | Samuel-NotAFK | pinotree: It is set to the correct British layout. |
| 18:23.43 | pedepy | so .. how does one use quassel to connect to freenode anyway?.... |
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| 18:23.49 | pedepy | all i see is quassel core stuff |
| 18:23.55 | pinotree | pedepy: ask in #quassel |
| 18:24.14 | Worf | Samuel-NotAFK: hmmm ... could borked up locales settings cause your troubles? |
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| 18:24.42 | Samuel-NotAFK | Worf: I do not know. |
| 18:25.13 | Samuel-NotAFK | Country: United Kingdom Languages: Great British |
| 18:25.34 | Samuel-NotAFK | I changed it to British from American and it didn't work after restarting KDE |
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| 18:26.17 | boergen | wt: With xbacklight -set 1 I can dim the brightness to 1%. |
| 18:26.20 | _RedGhost_ | Great British, that sounds funny |
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| 18:27.44 | Samuel-NotAFK | I doubt that I need to reboot my 'puter. |
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| 18:28.25 | enyawix | can you minimize a widget? |
| 18:29.05 | _RedGhost_ | Samuel-NotAFK: do you have the appropriate i18n KDE packages? |
| 18:29.15 | Samuel-NotAFK | no but I can winimise a midget |
| 18:30.09 | Samuel-NotAFK | _RedGhost_: I have kde-i18n-engb installed |
| 18:30.46 | boergen | mhm ... and what could be the reason that suspend2ram doesn't work anymore as well as suspend2disk? |
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| 18:31.32 | Samuel-NotAFK | _RedGhost_: Shall I install kde-i18n ? |
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| 18:31.49 | Samuel-NotAFK | k3b-18n* |
| 18:31.57 | _RedGhost_ | engb should be enough, I think |
| 18:32.00 | Samuel-NotAFK | nvm that would be silly |
| 18:32.03 | Samuel-NotAFK | Yeah thought so |
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| 18:32.41 | Samuel-NotAFK | I don't have the kile i18n-engb package |
| 18:33.15 | pinotree | Samuel-NotAFK: the i18n packages just provide translations, nothing else |
| 18:33.36 | Samuel-NotAFK | I don't have the libqt3-i18n package |
| 18:33.54 | pinotree | they don't provide keyboard layouts, so installing all of them will not solve your problem |
| 18:34.01 | Samuel-NotAFK | pinotree: two strange boxes come up when I press the £ key rather than a pound symbol |
| 18:34.22 | pinotree | Samuel-NotAFK: kde i18n packages are unrelated to that problem, so just forget them |
| 18:35.01 | Samuel-NotAFK | pinotree: Okay. |
| 18:35.16 | Worf | two strange boxes are a sign for utf8-vs-somethingelse-problem |
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| 18:35.57 | Samuel-NotAFK | Maybe my xorg configuration is messed up; I had to use nvidia-xconfig to make it work. |
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| 18:40.46 | enyawix | nvidia-xconfig is nice |
| 18:41.08 | Samuel-NotAFK | nvidia-xconfig meses up my xorg.conf |
| 18:41.45 | Koordin | hi, how can i easily upgrade from 4.1.1 to 4.1.2 ? |
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| 18:49.25 | rdieter | Koordin: roughtly the same way you installed/updated-to 4.1.1 ? :) |
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| 18:52.15 | Koordin | with apt-get install |
| 18:52.16 | Koordin | kde4-core is already the newest version. |
| 18:52.21 | Koordin | how can i know my version of kde ? |
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| 18:53.26 | gkiagia | Koordin: kde4-config --version |
| 18:53.34 | gkiagia | Koordin: distro? |
| 18:53.58 | Koordin | kubuntu |
| 18:54.28 | Koordin | KDE: 4.1.2 |
| 18:54.29 | Koordin | ok ^^ |
| 18:54.38 | gkiagia | I guess you should "aptitude safe-upgrade" but you'd better ask in #kubuntu |
| 18:55.19 | gkiagia | this doesn't necessarily mean you've got all of kde 4.1.2. it just means you have kdelibs from 4.1.2 |
| 18:55.20 | Koordin | i already have the newest version so it's ok |
| 18:55.29 | Koordin | ok |
| 18:55.55 | Koordin | but sudo apt-get install kde4-core says that kde4-core is already the newest version |
| 18:56.05 | Koordin | so i thinks it's ok |
| 18:56.58 | gkiagia | you should always use a package manager to upgrade all available packages instead of upgrading the metapackages, imho |
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| 18:57.41 | Chebureg | they say 4th KDE is total and utter crap? true? |
| 18:57.51 | gkiagia | lies |
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| 18:58.05 | Chebureg | but many people say that |
| 18:58.13 | gkiagia | many gnome-fans? |
| 18:58.17 | Chebureg | nope |
| 18:58.21 | Chebureg | KDE-fans |
| 18:58.29 | cb400f | gkiagia: the gnome fans like kde4.. it's the kde3 fans that don't |
| 18:58.31 | cb400f | :-) |
| 18:58.33 | gkiagia | I guess they are not true kde fans then |
| 18:58.57 | _RedGhost_ | please provide names to your local militia bureau, a detail will be assembled to take them away for reeducation |
| 18:59.08 | Chebureg | gkiagia, lol, true fans should praise it no matter how much crap it is? )) |
| 18:59.38 | gkiagia | Chebureg: nope, true fans will understand how cool kde4 is |
| 18:59.45 | gkiagia | they don't like it because it's different |
| 18:59.52 | cb400f | Chebureg: of course it's not true.. what those people mean to say is: "kde4 still lacks some of the features, polish and maturity of kde3, but it has many nice things, and much promise" |
| 18:59.53 | Chebureg | exactly? |
| 19:00.07 | Chebureg | exactly! * |
| 19:00.35 | Chebureg | cb400f, why isn't it in beta stage then? |
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| 19:01.30 | cb400f | Chebureg: why wasn't kde3 in beta stage so that 3.5.10 was actually called 3.0.0? |
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| 19:01.52 | Chebureg | yes, why? |
| 19:02.17 | gkiagia | there is no point in it |
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| 19:02.41 | gkiagia | having a desktop environment that is in beta for 10 years is stupid |
| 19:02.57 | cb400f | no software is ever perfect.. it needs to be used to be improved and attract devs, yada yada |
| 19:03.04 | gkiagia | we certainly don't follow google's beta policy :P |
| 19:03.31 | Chebureg | I am choosing between gnome and KDE, I didn't like KDE4, I liked gnome, but people say gnome is slower, is that true? |
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| 19:04.05 | cb400f | well.. if you tried both why don't you make up your own mind? |
| 19:04.16 | SSJ_GZ | Chebureg: You tried both. Can't you decide for yourself? |
| 19:04.17 | Chebureg | I don't know what to do |
| 19:04.22 | SSJ_GZ | beaten! |
| 19:04.26 | Chebureg | nope I Can't |
| 19:04.34 | SSJ_GZ | Chebureg: Flip a coin :) |
| 19:04.40 | cb400f | just do what linus torvalds said then.. use KDE |
| 19:05.04 | Chebureg | look, there was time in past I chose windows, but now I know I wasn't right and I wasted my time |
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| 19:05.31 | Chebureg | I don't trust my feelings anymore :) |
| 19:07.02 | cb400f | well.. do you expect to get a balanced advise in #kde ? |
| 19:07.14 | Chebureg | lol dunno |
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| 19:07.50 | gkiagia | all we can do is to suggest you to use kde. what you will really do is your choice ;) |
| 19:08.11 | gkiagia | of course if you join #gnome later, they will suggest you the opposite |
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| 19:08.27 | Chebureg | are you guys all fanatics? in #kde #gnome #gentoo #mandriva whatever ))) |
| 19:09.51 | lubomir | hello.i use kde3.5.9 and the ntfs-3g driver on gentoo linux. ntfs support is disabled in the kernel. when i put the stick inside, i cant mount it with kde. when i mount it with the console, there are no problems. can someone help? |
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| 19:10.32 | marko_d | lubomir: you can move stuff around with cp/mv ? |
| 19:10.35 | gkiagia | lubomir: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_NTFS_write_with_ntfs-3g |
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| 19:10.52 | lubomir | marko_d, yes |
| 19:11.00 | lubomir | gkiagia, i know that |
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| 19:11.30 | marko_d | you see it shown on desktop? |
| 19:11.35 | lubomir | also the kernel internal driver have not worked |
| 19:12.10 | lubomir | yes. when i put the stick inside, it ask me what to do. when i want to mount/open it, it say todo: have to rethink... |
| 19:12.11 | Worf | i'm always impressed what topics fit in #kde :) |
| 19:12.37 | gkiagia | it doesn't really fit in #kde |
| 19:12.45 | gkiagia | lubomir: you'd better ask #gentoo |
| 19:12.57 | faemir | Anyone know how I can make pdfs open in konq embedded in kde 4.1? |
| 19:13.09 | lubomir | okay |
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| 19:14.51 | Worf | gotta try that too ... "hello, i'm using kde 3.5.9 and my bysicle has a flat tire..." :) |
| 19:15.17 | faemir | found it, don't worry |
| 19:15.43 | gkiagia | lol Worf |
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| 19:16.02 | marko_d | Worf: glue it, or buy a new tyre |
| 19:16.18 | marko_d | :) |
| 19:16.39 | Worf | where in the control center do i do that? :) |
| 19:16.42 | gkiagia | and upgrade to kde4, that may make your bicycle auto-repair :P |
| 19:16.48 | junkDawgie | its a tribute to the depth of your wisdom, Worf |
| 19:17.35 | marko_d | Worf: you must wait for a patch |
| 19:17.58 | _RedGhost_ | in kde4, you bicycle is a plasmoid |
| 19:18.06 | Prof_Frink | gkiagia: No, bicyclerepair is a python thing |
| 19:18.28 | Worf | hmm ... what would be the logic next answer then ... "ok, thanks, i'll try kubuntu then" |
| 19:18.40 | junkDawgie | i compiled my bicycle one time and needed stitches |
| 19:19.07 | junkDawgie | gives himself three demerits for off-topic |
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| 19:21.39 | Worf | i wonder if that stuff should go into the kde bicycle faq |
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| 20:09.30 | Mac40DO | Oh boy... kde4 chrashes very often ;-) |
| 20:09.55 | lupine_85 | I hadn't noticed ;) |
| 20:10.18 | lupine_85 | well, some bits are worse than others |
| 20:11.07 | Mac40DO | Plasma crashed 5 Minutes ago and managed to kill my whole system. Couldn't ping the PC any more. |
| 20:12.24 | Mac40DO | Is it possible to have the icons on the desktop with preview? |
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| 20:17.08 | holycow | where is the kde4 trash folder located? |
| 20:17.26 | holycow | ~./kde4/? |
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| 20:18.42 | Mac40DO | is there something like kcontrol in kde4? |
| 20:18.53 | jazka | systemsettings |
| 20:19.09 | Mac40DO | jazka: very few settingsthere |
| 20:19.25 | holycow | you just haveto wait until all the applets are written |
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| 20:19.37 | Mac40DO | holycow: ok |
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| 20:19.50 | holycow | or you can jump in and help |
| 20:20.22 | Mac40DO | holycow: I'm no programmer ;-) |
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| 20:21.22 | Mac40DO | once I worked as Java developer, but that was years ago |
| 20:21.31 | tMish | What can be the reason, that I see monospace font in Font Installer->Personal Fonts, but not in konsole font selection ? |
| 20:22.29 | Mac40DO | Is it possible to rearrange the favourites in the kickoff-menu? |
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| 20:23.06 | holycow | where is the kde4 trash folder? ~/.kde4/? |
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| 20:24.39 | pedepy | :/ i cant resize my plasmoids |
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| 20:29.15 | pinotree | holycow: ~/.local/share/Trash |
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| 20:29.49 | holycow | pinotree: oh OVER THERE |
| 20:29.52 | holycow | thank you |
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| 20:32.26 | pedepy | pinotree: my plasmoids?! |
| 20:32.34 | pinotree | ? |
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| 20:38.18 | Half-Left | pedepy: Need more description than that |
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| 20:45.48 | pedepy | my plasmoids no longer have their 'menu' |
| 20:45.57 | pedepy | what could possibly be at play here |
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| 20:54.31 | holycow | pedepy: you locked the widgets? |
| 20:54.38 | holycow | right clickon desktop and unlock them maybe? |
| 20:56.48 | pedepy | no |
| 20:56.54 | pedepy | they are not locked. |
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| 21:09.43 | Jasper | hi, i have opensuse 11 with all the kde4 unstable repos enabled, i today updated everything, now if i boot i only get black screen, though everything works (i can launch with the alt f2 menu) and i see that plasma is at cpu of 60% , do i just have to wait for a fixed update? (This is a test system, so not critical, i know i'm using unstable :) ) |
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| 21:41.48 | Guest97773 | hey guys |
| 21:42.36 | Guest97773 | I'm running Ktorrent and it is continuously using up more and more memory... even though all my torrents are stopped... |
| 21:44.09 | mrbig4545 | close it then |
| 21:44.27 | Guest97773 | mrbig4545: what a retarded reply |
| 21:44.47 | mrbig4545 | lol |
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| 21:46.35 | Guest97773 | It's actually pretty horrible, it's a 1meg/sec leak.. |
| 21:47.18 | lemma__ | Guest97773: could be this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148385 but I'm not sure when this has been fixed in KDE4 |
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| 21:48.43 | Guest97773 | yeah it was fixed in aug |
| 21:48.48 | lemma__ | Guest97773: which version of KDE are you using? |
| 21:48.50 | pinotree | only in ktorrent >= 3.1.x (i cannot determine which 'x') |
| 21:48.55 | Guest97773 | hrm... |
| 21:49.02 | Guest97773 | I'm using 3.0.x |
| 21:49.10 | Guest97773 | on Gnome ;) |
| 21:49.16 | lemma__ | Guest97773: I guess you should try updating then :) |
| 21:49.21 | lemma__ | on gnome |
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| 21:49.29 | Guest97773 | yeah... I'm using the ubuntu build... |
| 21:49.49 | pagaidu | I was just trying to launch KDE 4.1.2 for first time. After splash screen I was greeted with chessboard like wallpaper and nothing else. Had to ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 21:49.54 | Guest97773 | so I can either wait till the new ubuntu and hope it's fixed or... just install it again |
| 21:50.29 | lemma__ | pagaidu: that means that plasma didn't start (properly) |
| 21:50.43 | pagaidu | how nice :) |
| 21:50.50 | lemma__ | pagaidu: if it happens again, try pressing alt+f2 and if a window pops up, type "plasma" |
| 21:51.16 | pagaidu | lemma__: it was not reacting on alt+Fn combinations... |
| 21:51.36 | lemma__ | pagaidu: then ctrl+alt+backspace was the right thing to do :) |
| 21:51.47 | lemma__ | pagaidu: did it get back to normal on logging in the next time? |
| 21:52.23 | pagaidu | lemma__: back to what? It was my first KDE4 time :) and no - second time did the same :( |
| 21:52.42 | lemma__ | pagaidu: which distribution are you using? |
| 21:52.52 | pagaidu | Gentoo ~x86 |
| 21:54.01 | lemma__ | iirc that's pretty new packages. as I've never witnessed anything similar it might be a good idea to ask in a gentoo channel as well |
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| 22:12.19 | boergen | mhm ... there is no such thing as a KOrganizer plasmoid? |
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| 22:18.40 | Jester | Hi. I'm having trouble binding hotkeys in KDE 4.1.2 . I went to System Settings -> Input Actions, added 3 actions of type "Keyboard Shortcut -> Command/URL (simple)" but none of them work even though I did the same thing in KDE 3. Any idea what the problem might be or how to troubleshoot that? |
| 22:19.21 | Jester | Also, hotkey daemon is running.. |
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| 22:27.13 | KRF | hey, how can i suspend _and_ logout? there's just "suspend without logging off" in my menu (or i am totally blind) |
| 22:27.34 | aseigo | KRF: logout, then suspend from the login window |
| 22:27.47 | aseigo | KRF: there is no combined suspend and logout currently |
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| 22:28.01 | KRF | okay. thanks |
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| 22:28.48 | JordanC | Oh hey aseigo |
| 22:28.54 | KRF | ah. and i dont want to logout, i just want to lock the screen. but i think its the same with that? |
| 22:29.07 | JordanC | I forgot there was life in this channel :) |
| 22:29.18 | KRF | so lock&suspend |
| 22:30.12 | aseigo | KRF: whether or not suspend locks is up to your configuration |
| 22:30.20 | aseigo | (system configuration, that is) |
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| 22:31.23 | Half-Left | wishes Xrender would have wwobbley windows with kwin effects |
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| 22:36.36 | eekee | Hiyo. How do I change the window manager in kde 4.1? |
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| 22:41.52 | Half-Left | eekee: "MyWindowmanager" --replace |
| 22:42.32 | eekee | whoa! thanks |
| 22:42.46 | eekee | will kde remember my choice? |
| 22:42.54 | pinotree | no |
| 22:43.03 | pinotree | you have to set the KDEWM envvar |
| 22:43.08 | eekee | ahh ok |
| 22:43.12 | aseigo | you can also set it in systemsettings |
| 22:43.12 | pinotree | http://developer.kde.org/~seli/kdewm/ |
| 22:43.24 | pinotree | or what aseigo says, if you have kde 4.2 |
| 22:43.30 | aseigo | in the Default Applications control panel .. ah, right.. 4.2 |
| 22:43.38 | aseigo | people still use 4.1? ;) |
| 22:43.44 | JordanC | Heh |
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| 22:43.54 | aseigo | i mean, 4.2 is going to be released in January! =P |
| 22:44.01 | eekee | hehe |
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| 22:44.12 | eekee | thanks guys |
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| 22:44.40 | Half-Left | aseigo: You have a fixed version, we dont :p |
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| 22:46.11 | eekee | yay, no more windows opening across the screen boundaries |
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| 22:49.08 | eekee | aha, and with fvwm mplayer respects screen boundaries too. it doesn't with kwin |
| 22:49.49 | aseigo | eekee: what kind of setup do you have? |
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| 22:51.32 | enyawix | will kde 4.2 have direct support for compiz? some of the kde4.2 pictures look like compiz is running |
| 22:51.33 | enyawix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4#KDE_4.2 |
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| 22:52.20 | eekee | aseigo: two unequal screens. One good widescreen & one rather rough secondhand screen that I got because I find it easier to have a lot of screen area. |
| 22:53.55 | eekee | Up until yesterday I used the old X multihead system, where you can't move windows between screens, but yesterday I installed KDE for the first time in years & found it wouldn't manage the 2nd screen but positioned the taskbar as if the first screen was the same size as the second |
| 22:54.38 | Half-Left | enyawix: No thats KWin |
| 22:57.10 | eekee | hmm... will kwin support xinerama better in 4.2? |
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| 22:57.40 | xweb | Half-Left: are you using kde4? |
| 22:58.00 | Half-Left | enyawix: KDE4.x doesn't use compiz and never will, it has it's own compositing effects window manager which is much better intergrated |
| 22:58.10 | Half-Left | xweb: 4.1.2 yes |
| 22:58.42 | Half-Left | (though you can use compiz if you like) |
| 22:58.47 | xweb | Half-Left: I have a laptop with vga out for the second screen. |
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| 22:59.10 | xweb | I have to restart plasma to get it to manager the second screen some times. |
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| 22:59.24 | Half-Left | I have no idea about dual screens |
| 22:59.34 | Half-Left | Never used it |
| 22:59.49 | g-hennux | xweb: ah, are you fiddling with dual screen in kde4? |
| 22:59.54 | g-hennux | xweb: so am i |
| 23:00.05 | xweb | mymistake that was for eekee: |
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| 23:00.35 | xweb | eekee: are you using kde4? |
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| 23:00.52 | eekee | xweb: yeah. 4.1.2 |
| 23:01.08 | Half-Left | hunts for Jucato as his target for a head shot |
| 23:01.10 | eekee | what's plasma? |
| 23:01.15 | eekee | hehehe |
| 23:01.30 | aseigo | eekee: hmm... are you still using multihead, or did you switch to a xinerama (or xinerama like) system? |
| 23:01.35 | Half-Left | the workspace |
| 23:01.45 | eekee | aseigo: switched to xinerama |
| 23:01.56 | eekee | ah ok |
| 23:02.00 | xweb | Plasma runs ever this on the desktop in kde4, including the task bar thingy. |
| 23:02.18 | eekee | righty |
| 23:02.39 | aseigo | eekee: hmm.. sounds like no kde4 app can properly see the two screens then |
| 23:02.53 | aseigo | eekee: as both kwin and plasma are getting it wrong |
| 23:03.10 | aseigo | eekee: what version of x and graphics card are you using? |
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| 23:04.05 | eekee | xorg-server 1.4.2 & nvidia_driver 173.something |
| 23:04.07 | xweb | when i attach my second screen i turn it on with "xranrd --auto" |
| 23:04.51 | eekee | Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 23:04.53 | eekee | O.o lol |
| 23:05.19 | xweb | eekee: aseigo: I have not turned on xinerama manualy but kde4 seem to work on both screen and all apps recognize the configuration. |
| 23:05.22 | aseigo | hm.. that's not good. |
| 23:05.40 | aseigo | xweb: xrandr is usually fine |
| 23:05.56 | eekee | xweb: you can't drag windows from one screen to the other? |
| 23:06.09 | xweb | I can |
| 23:06.44 | eekee | ah then I think you have xinerama enabled somehow |
| 23:06.50 | xweb | eekee: do you have nvidia-settings installed? |
| 23:07.33 | eekee | I had completely seperate screens; couldn't drag windows across & could switch desktops independently on each screen |
| 23:07.37 | eekee | xweb: yes |
| 23:08.28 | xweb | You can fix this by running nvidia-setting as root and changing the mode. I have to check the actual process on my other computer . |
| 23:09.28 | eekee | ah o.o; |
| 23:10.44 | xweb | Its not hard. just run nvidia-settings as root. and goto Xserver display configuration. |
| 23:10.54 | eekee | xweb: fix which problem? |
| 23:11.08 | xweb | the seperate screens |
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| 23:11.50 | eekee | xweb: oh I know my way around xorg.conf. ^^; I just switched to xinerama because plasma wouldn't touch the second screen |
| 23:11.55 | xweb | you can run duel monitors as 2 xserver or as one screen. you seem to be using 2 xservers. |
| 23:12.20 | eekee | I'm using them as 1 now. I was using them as 2 |
| 23:12.36 | xweb | It will touch the second screen if you restart it after activating the second screen. |
| 23:12.37 | eekee | I shoulda said a few minutes ago |
| 23:12.53 | eekee | "activating"? What's that exactly? |
| 23:13.19 | eekee | let me phrase that better |
| 23:13.36 | xweb | have both screens turned on the type in a console window "xrandr --auto" |
| 23:13.47 | xweb | that should turn on the secon screen. |
| 23:14.25 | xweb | once it it on plasma will ignore it. just restart plasma and it will use both screens. |
| 23:15.05 | xweb | this is how i restart plasma. "$ps -A |grep plasma" that will get you its pid. |
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| 23:15.55 | eekee | right. now the way you describe your window behaviour sounds like what you've really got under the surface is xinerama. I was saying plasma wouldn't manage the second screen without xinerama. Most window managers will |
| 23:16.06 | xweb | then type "$ kill <the pid>; plasma". this will kill plasma and restart it. once started it will manage both screens. |
| 23:16.17 | eekee | I'm not sure that's a fault, although I thought it was at first... |
| 23:16.41 | xweb | eekee: how do i tell if im using xinerama? |
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| 23:17.28 | eekee | xweb: If a window can appear part on one screen and part on another, as when you're dragging it across |
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| 23:19.28 | eekee | I wouldn't mind that feature, but kwin opens windows over the boundary and mplayer under kwin displays on both screens, which with unequal monitors isn't good. under fvwm neither of those things happen |
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| 23:20.23 | eekee | also without xinerama, with 2 seperate X screens old-school style (lol) you can switch virtual desktop independently on each screen. |
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| 23:22.38 | eekee | I guess I'm talking about too many different combinations, but I'm trying to find the right one for me |
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| 23:23.36 | xweb | i prefer the xinerama style. |
| 23:23.54 | eekee | it's certainly got it's positive features |
| 23:24.15 | xweb | being able to move an app from one screen to another is the best feature. |
| 23:24.20 | eekee | yeah |
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| 23:25.48 | eekee | I heard e17 will switch desktops independently with xinerama, but I used e17 for ages when I had just 1 screen & got really fed up with it |
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| 23:26.44 | xweb | mplayer opens on what ever screen i start it on even in fullscreen . maybe you dont have xinerama turned on. thats what it sounds like to me. |
| 23:27.05 | mxttie | hi, I accidentally removed the menu bar in dolphin, how do I get it back? :) what's the shortcut? |
| 23:27.07 | xweb | e17 looks good, its just too in complete |
| 23:27.24 | eekee | yeah... |
| 23:27.41 | eekee | no I know I have xinerama on. |
| 23:27.48 | xweb | mxttie: I think is [crtl]+[m] |
| 23:27.52 | eekee | well I know I enabled it in xorg.conf |
| 23:28.12 | mxttie | xweb: thanks! it works |
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| 23:30.03 | xweb | eekee: Its not even in my xorg.conf . I just used the default that installed out of the box. |
| 23:30.33 | xweb | I gotta go the game is comming on. |
| 23:30.35 | eekee | xweb: maybe xrandr --auto does something more than just turn xinerama on |
| 23:30.38 | eekee | ok have fun |
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| 23:30.54 | xweb | it might . |
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| 23:39.35 | Half-Left | bahhahaha, my onboard intel 8mb shared memory is just fast in KDE4.1.2 with Xrender |
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| 23:40.39 | zulu9 | Half-Left: I currently give my crappy sis onboard 64mb ram and it fast with Xrender too. maybe I'll try with 32mb (lowest setting in bios) and give more ram to the sys |
| 23:40.58 | zulu9 | I wonder how much video-ram (even if shared) works best. |
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| 23:41.32 | Half-Left | Well it only says 8mb shared, website says update 224mb shared |
| 23:42.51 | Half-Left | VGA is not nice though, DVI is alot better when when through a VGA adaptor |
| 23:43.03 | Half-Left | even when* |
| 23:43.33 | zulu9 | did not try kde4 with a projector yet. Going to try that soon |
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| 23:44.04 | zulu9 | never had issues with kde3 tho. no hotplugging tho but I guess that is not kde's fault |
| 23:45.49 | enyawix | Half-Left cool so KDE4.2 will do all the stuff compiz can ? |
| 23:46.18 | Half-Left | Well not all but most of the cool stuff |
| 23:47.07 | Half-Left | enyawix: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JFjfk2AAn6s |
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| 23:49.36 | kc8hfi | Half-Left: you ever messed with themes for kdm? |
| 23:49.54 | Half-Left | Not really |
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