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| 00:09.48 | maazu | yay! ESPN time |
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| 00:20.49 | dstambou | any reason why walk through desktop list doesn't actually give me a list? It just cycles through desktops |
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| 00:46.39 | Rasi | hi |
| 00:46.56 | Rasi | is there a kwin plugin that lets me change transparency level with my mouse wheel? |
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| 00:55.18 | Mace` | hm |
| 00:55.22 | Mace` | k3b is still qt3 huh? |
| 00:55.41 | g2g591 | it has a qt4 version in svn, however its broken atm |
| 00:55.45 | Mace` | ah |
| 00:55.53 | Mace` | any probloems running it in kde 4.1.x? |
| 00:55.57 | Mace` | with the old libs? |
| 00:56.18 | g2g591 | nope, don't think so (havn't used it in a bit) |
| 00:56.24 | Mace` | anything better? |
| 00:56.25 | Moult | Mace`: nope, i'm running it now |
| 00:56.50 | Mace` | k3b was the best i've used so far but that may because i never really looked to see if there was anything else out there |
| 00:57.09 | Mace` | Moult - ah.. ok. i'll install it then.. just didn't want to break kde4 |
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| 00:57.22 | Mace` | kde is very nice now :) it's like a non-shitty vista |
| 00:58.14 | Mace` | actually.. just to avoid any problems i'll just use the xp box to burn this |
| 00:58.27 | Moult | Mace`: :( |
| 00:59.04 | Mace` | i'm just burning a fbsd 7 cd |
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| 00:59.49 | Shirakawasuna | is it possible to horizontally resize a panel w/ kde 4.1.2? |
| 00:59.57 | Shirakawasuna | I can't figure out how, so my battery monitor is super tiny :/ |
| 01:00.21 | Moult | Shirakawasuna: yes |
| 01:00.34 | Shirakawasuna | Moult: how do I do it? |
| 01:00.37 | Moult | Shirakawasuna: unlock widgets, then click the cashew on the right of the panel, then drag the arrows |
| 01:00.46 | Shirakawasuna | there's no arrows... |
| 01:01.07 | Shirakawasuna | are you using 4.1.2? |
| 01:01.08 | Moult | Shirakawasuna: when you click the cashew you should see another panel like thing appear above it |
| 01:01.12 | Moult | Shirakawasuna: yes 4.1.2 |
| 01:01.15 | Shirakawasuna | hmm |
| 01:01.22 | Shirakawasuna | perhaps it's a packaging problem |
| 01:01.51 | Shirakawasuna | as I do know how to use the arrows, but they aren't there on my machine.... |
| 01:01.59 | Moult | Shirakawasuna: there should be options for left/middle/right align, three arrows (white, green and blue) and options for add, remove, lock widgets |
| 01:02.10 | Shirakawasuna | yes, I know :) |
| 01:02.11 | Moult | Shirakawasuna: oh ok, probably yeah a packaging problem |
| 01:02.20 | Shirakawasuna | thanks! |
| 01:02.57 | Moult | anybody know a dock app for kde 4? ksmoothdock just doesn't want to start up, and kooldock loads but doesn't launch anything when i click on it. |
| 01:05.07 | Shirakawasuna | there's some docks recently released for karamba which supposedly work w/ plasma |
| 01:05.13 | Shirakawasuna | I haven't tried them |
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| 01:10.05 | johns_ | what's the equivalent command to konqueror's smb:/ in the url bar? |
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| 02:13.32 | necroforest | Hi, I'm having problems getting composite working with Xinerama and KWin (3.5.9). Is this normal? I did some googling and there were some mailing list posts made by people who had it working with other window managers... |
| 02:13.43 | necroforest | (Gentoo/AMD64) |
| 02:14.26 | cobelloy | anyone know how to change the thumbnail size in dolphin? |
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| 02:15.34 | Jucato | cobelloy: Settings -> Configure Dolphin -> View Modes page -> Icons tab -> Change Icon & Preview Size... |
| 02:16.38 | cobelloy | no, I mean the file size that can be thumbnail preveiewed? |
| 02:16.53 | cobelloy | pictured over a meg or so wont thumbnail |
| 02:16.58 | Jucato | ah |
| 02:17.23 | Jucato | colyte: 100MB seems to be the limit |
| 02:17.37 | Jucato | same place, except General tab |
| 02:17.46 | cobelloy | i got pics 3-5MB not thumbnailing |
| 02:18.00 | cobelloy | thats not that big |
| 02:18.20 | Jucato | that would probably be a different issue, not related to the max size... |
| 02:18.54 | cobelloy | pics from same source in same dir small ones have thumbs, bigger ones dont |
| 02:19.00 | cobelloy | eg gimp xcf files |
| 02:19.13 | cobelloy | jpg's |
| 02:19.30 | Jucato | maybe it's just taking a bit longer to generate the thumbnails? |
| 02:19.37 | cobelloy | nope |
| 02:19.56 | cobelloy | i can leave a dir open for hours, still no thumbs on bigger images |
| 02:20.15 | Jucato | well then I'm out of ideas. it has worked for me (though I don't have .xcf's to check that file format) |
| 02:20.19 | cobelloy | in rox filer there is a setting to say how big before thumbnails are not generated |
| 02:20.30 | cobelloy | also I think in konqueror |
| 02:20.44 | Jucato | yes, I already answered where |
| 02:20.49 | Jucato | and the max is 100.0 MB |
| 02:21.03 | Jucato | (same as Konqueror in KDE 3) |
| 02:21.56 | cobelloy | no you told me where to change the actual icon size, not the thumbnail cutoff size |
| 02:22.06 | Jucato | [10:15] <Jucato> same place, except General tab |
| 02:22.11 | cobelloy | there is nowhere there to set a maximum file size that I can see |
| 02:22.16 | Jucato | [10:15] <Jucato> same place, except General tab |
| 02:22.17 | Jucato | [10:15] <Jucato> same place, except General tab |
| 02:23.12 | Jucato | or if you want to really really be explicity: Settings -> Configure Dolphin -> View Modes page -> General tab -> Maximum file size |
| 02:24.11 | cobelloy | hang on i will show you a screen shot |
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| 02:25.32 | g2g591 | root: don't run irc as root, btw, your nick will be forcefully changed now |
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| 02:26.44 | g2g591 | root__: http://bjf.id.au/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/software/20070824-never-irc-as-root.html , read that |
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| 02:27.22 | Macer | finally got my du p3/500 going |
| 02:27.45 | Macer | it's a beast :) |
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| 02:34.36 | cobelloy | am uploading some pictures - I dont see anywhere to set filesize in general or in icon/preview |
| 02:34.46 | Jucato | cobelloy: http://jucato.org/stuff/dolphin.jpeg |
| 02:35.24 | Jucato | (take note I said General *tab*, in the same place (View Modes page)) |
| 02:36.14 | Jucato | cobelloy: by any chance are you using Kubuntu KDE 3? |
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| 02:36.58 | cobelloy | aah - i dont have that general tab |
| 02:36.59 | FFForever | how do i turn classic menu on? |
| 02:37.13 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.14 | cobelloy | maybe on kde 3 yes, have kubuntu 804 |
| 02:37.30 | Jucato | FFForever: right-click on the K Menu icon -> switch to classic style |
| 02:37.32 | cobelloy | yes i think so |
| 02:37.36 | root_ | yes i-am probing |
| 02:37.44 | FFForever | i don't have that option |
| 02:37.51 | Jucato | cobelloy: then you are not using Dolphin, but D3lphin, which is not supported here. please ask in #kubuntu |
| 02:38.10 | Jucato | FFForever: make sure your widgets are unlocked (right-click on the Desktop) |
| 02:38.13 | cobelloy | http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k129/cobelloy/screen2.png |
| 02:38.17 | Jucato | oh, and must be KDE 4.1.x |
| 02:38.20 | cobelloy | no answer in kubuntu |
| 02:38.37 | FFForever | they are unlocked... i am on kubuntu |
| 02:38.45 | Jucato | FFForever: what KDE version? |
| 02:39.02 | Jucato | FFForever: you are right-clickin on the K Menu *icon* right? |
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| 02:39.21 | FFForever | 4.03 |
| 02:39.31 | Jucato | FFForever: <Jucato> oh, and must be KDE 4.1.x |
| 02:39.53 | Jucato | cobelloy: I'm sorry. D3lphin is a KDE 3 fork of Dolphin and isn't supported in KDE. even the one who created D3lphin no longer maintains it |
| 02:40.09 | Jucato | Kubuntu is the only one that could and should answer questions about it |
| 02:40.15 | cobelloy | damit... |
| 02:40.25 | cobelloy | k then :( |
| 02:40.38 | Jucato | cobelloy: I would highly recommend sticking to Konqueror if you're in KDE 3 |
| 02:40.58 | Jucato | even if you find it more complex than D3lphin, at least it works ;) |
| 02:41.00 | cobelloy | i didnt choose it - it was like this on install |
| 02:41.24 | cobelloy | i would rather konqueror, maybe I can change the default to konq |
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| 02:41.29 | Jucato | you can change it. the bot told you how |
| 02:41.33 | Jucato | see #kubuntu |
| 02:41.51 | cobelloy | yep |
| 02:42.08 | cobelloy | im in there aswell - just got a msg from the bot with the answer! |
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| 02:46.10 | cobelloy | not sure where the bot msg came from in kubuntu channel, but thanks for the help |
| 02:48.39 | cobelloy | aaah Im a bit slow - it was you, thanks |
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| 03:05.32 | dida | hi all, where can i setup the start-up applications on KDE? |
| 03:05.45 | dida | apps that start automatically when kde started |
| 03:09.41 | marko_d | dida: KDE4? |
| 03:09.56 | dida | KDE3 |
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| 03:10.30 | marko_d | just put the .desktop files in /home/user/.kde/Autostart |
| 03:11.02 | dida | just upgrade my system and openoffice quickstart is conflict between the older version and the new one |
| 03:11.31 | dida | check the dir and there's no OOquickstart (i may spell the app incorrectly) |
| 03:14.14 | marko_d | dida: it starts ? |
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| 03:14.55 | dida | think so as there's a confirmation window about the conflict |
| 03:15.44 | marko_d | you should ask in #openoffice |
| 03:15.52 | dida | ok |
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| 03:19.04 | nanothief | I'm having a problem with konqueror 4.1.2, every time I navigate to another directory thats not inside the current directory, I get the error "There was an error loading the module Cervisia." Anyone know a way to fix this (or remove it, since I don't need Cervisia)? |
| 03:19.43 | nanothief | The full error message is: "There was an error loading the module Cervisia. |
| 03:19.43 | nanothief | The diagnostics is: |
| 03:19.43 | nanothief | The service 'Cervisia' provides no library or the Library key is missing in the .desktop file." |
| 03:19.50 | Cr33ping_D34th | whats the easiest way to upgrade from 4.1.1 to 4.1.2 |
| 03:21.32 | marko_d | nanothief: its a really old bug, in svn its fixed |
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| 03:22.04 | marko_d | Cr33ping_D3 depends on the distro |
| 03:22.12 | Cr33ping_D34th | f9 |
| 03:22.46 | marko_d | you asked in #fedora? |
| 03:22.49 | nanothief | marko_d, oh ok, is there a way to work around it until the svn changes get released? I don't want to build from source to fix this |
| 03:22.52 | Cr33ping_D34th | not yet |
| 03:23.21 | marko_d | ask there |
| 03:23.41 | Cr33ping_D34th | thanks just did |
| 03:24.07 | marko_d | nanothief: try this |
| 03:24.25 | marko_d | open konqueror settings |
| 03:25.14 | nanothief | marko_d, ok |
| 03:25.16 | marko_d | expand file managment, go file asociation, expand inode and in directory put cervisia on the bottom |
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| 03:27.17 | nanothief | marko_d: did that, but it didn't fix it. |
| 03:28.25 | marko_d | nanothief: maybe its a deeper issue |
| 03:28.40 | marko_d | nanothief: you could use dolphin |
| 03:29.07 | nanothief | marko_d, nevermind, I edited the cervisia entry and changed the command to an echo, and the problem is gone :) |
| 03:29.07 | marko_d | you can make the location bar editable, remove the side panels ... |
| 03:29.31 | marko_d | ahh, ugly hack :) |
| 03:29.37 | nanothief | very :P |
| 03:29.50 | nanothief | luckily I don't use cvs |
| 03:30.26 | nanothief | odd that having the command at the bottom of the file association list didn't stop it though |
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| 03:53.58 | matthew | hello |
| 03:54.49 | matthew | maybe somone can give me a short and sweet answer.... WTF does it mean when i get an arts cpu overload? |
| 03:55.06 | matthew | sound server fatal error |
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| 04:02.04 | blauzahl-laptop | cpu overload? like overheating? |
| 04:02.16 | blauzahl-laptop | arts is the sound infrastructure in kde3 |
| 04:02.36 | blauzahl-laptop | it should just automatically restart, iirc |
| 04:04.34 | blauzahl-laptop | you know, i should read to see if they've already left... |
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| 04:12.19 | lilltiger | blauzahl-laptop: he already left... If he had stayed I could have given him the proper answere |
| 04:12.45 | lilltiger | haha |
| 04:13.11 | lilltiger | I should start to read evrything others read and not just parts f it :) |
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| 04:23.44 | blauzahl-laptop | :) |
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| 04:27.37 | kr0n05931 | hello |
| 04:27.55 | kr0n05931 | how can I get transparencies to work in kde 4.1? I have turned on desktop effects, enabled compositing on my nvidia graphics card, but they still won't work |
| 04:28.07 | kr0n05931 | I am using arch linux |
| 04:29.48 | g2g591 | kr0n05931: bring up the desktop effects thing ,go to plugins, enable translucency , and hit the wrench and configure it to your liking |
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| 04:30.35 | kr0n05931 | it is already on |
| 04:31.07 | g2g591 | kr0n05931: click the wrench and adjust it, then hit apply |
| 04:31.12 | kr0n05931 | I did |
| 04:31.14 | kr0n05931 | no changes |
| 04:31.44 | g2g591 | hit ok |
| 04:31.49 | kr0n05931 | I did |
| 04:32.21 | g2g591 | kr0n05931: hmm, I just followed those exact same steps myself with an Nvidia card on Arch linux using kdemod and they worked fine |
| 04:33.19 | kr0n05931 | back to fluxbox then :/ |
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| 04:35.27 | drantin | waves |
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| 04:57.32 | brun0_|laptop | hi |
| 04:57.47 | brun0_|laptop | i'm trying to enable strigi but each time i go back to the config panel it is disabled |
| 04:57.53 | brun0_|laptop | and the process isn't running |
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| 05:27.15 | Doomhammer | i suppose kde's volume control thing only affects apps using the kde sound backend? |
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| 05:27.23 | Doomhammer | i.e. native alsa apps aren't affected by it? |
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| 05:29.43 | joaquinm | hi guys |
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| 05:43.02 | p1mrx | so, I just switched from KDE 3.5 -> 4.1.2, and whenever I have sub-pixel font rendering enabled, most of the text is invisible. any ideas? |
| 05:43.19 | p1mrx | for example, my taskbar buttons and clock have no text at all. |
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| 05:47.40 | p1mrx | any ideas? I'd very much like to be able to read text on my computer. |
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| 05:57.27 | Kalidarn | anyone noticed plasma, seems slightly less stable in 4.1.2? |
| 05:57.29 | Kalidarn | than in 4.1.1? |
| 05:58.01 | Kalidarn | i find it likes to crash, when, things happen like windows close... ie documents in gimp, or downloads in konqueror |
| 05:58.19 | Kalidarn | (rest of it i'll admit seems fairly stable) |
| 05:58.51 | Kalidarn | also, i kinda wish the patch for http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167767 could be backported into 4.1.3 |
| 05:59.17 | Kalidarn | im not sure why it didn't make its way into 4.1.2 |
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| 06:14.26 | syock | oh, both lubos and kame2 not here |
| 06:14.47 | syock | Wanna ask about Intel 945GM support for KWin's compositing. |
| 06:15.22 | p1mrx | am I crazy, or is there no way to set the clock to 12-hour time? |
| 06:15.48 | Zarin | p1mrx, System settings -> Regional and Language -> Time |
| 06:16.17 | syock | There's option for that? |
| 06:16.45 | syock | Zarin: can only select time region |
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| 06:17.35 | syock | And also none available in Regional settings |
| 06:17.38 | p1mrx | well that was spectacularly unintuitive. I even had to log out/in for the change to take effect. |
| 06:18.50 | p1mrx | now is it possible to make my taskbar 2 rows? |
| 06:20.19 | syock | Oh i see, it was there. Now may I should change it too |
| 06:20.35 | the_thingy | I have both KDE 3 and 4 on my comp. Can I get rid of the KDE 3 packages? |
| 06:20.45 | the_thingy | Don't think I'll be needing them :) |
| 06:21.14 | syock | p1mrx: strange how we seem to look for the same things. I want 2 rows not only for taskbar, but system tray too |
| 06:21.25 | p1mrx | the_thingy: which distro? |
| 06:21.55 | the_thingy | Mandriva |
| 06:22.37 | syock | the_thingy: if it doesn't break any dependancy of KDE3 apps, I think it's safe to remove them |
| 06:22.56 | syock | KDE3 apps: K3b, amaroK, etc |
| 06:23.30 | the_thingy | syock: yes, but how? and is this what usually happen when a Desktop Environment gets a version change? |
| 06:23.37 | the_thingy | *happens |
| 06:23.41 | Kalidarn | besides not using konqueror does anyone know a solution to downloading things from http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp in konqueror? |
| 06:23.51 | the_thingy | you're stuck with packages from both versions |
| 06:23.59 | Kalidarn | i'd report it on the kde bug tracker but im not sure if that bug, is a KDE one... or nvidia's shoddy javascript. |
| 06:24.06 | Kalidarn | SYSTEM MESSAGE Please try again at a later time. Sorry for the inconvenience. |
| 06:24.11 | Kalidarn | seems to be the error that page reports |
| 06:24.42 | Kalidarn | the javascript error being, Error: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us: ReferenceError: Can't find variable: DriverBannerAd_init |
| 06:24.50 | p1mrx | I don't know if Mandriva has anything analogous to Gentoo's "emerge --depclean" |
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| 06:25.01 | syock | the_thingy: then again, I'm wrong. k3b doesn't depend on KDE3 libs. |
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| 06:25.56 | KEBA | id like to use the kde logo for a report about kde 4.2 in a free linux magazine, am i allowed to use it? |
| 06:25.57 | syock | the_thingy: Yeah, I suppose it's the way it works. I don't know how Mandriva package management works, why don't you try removing all those kde3 related packages? |
| 06:26.28 | the_thingy | syock: how would I automate that? |
| 06:26.49 | the_thingy | syock: I don't want to manually select everything that says 3.5.10 |
| 06:26.50 | Kalidarn | KEBA, i assume so, as long as your not using the logo for something that isn't about KDE :P |
| 06:27.09 | Kalidarn | i saw something about that somewhere |
| 06:27.31 | Kalidarn | KDE® and the K Desktop Environment® logo are registered trademarks of KDE e.V. | Legal |
| 06:27.59 | KEBA | Kalidarn: thank you |
| 06:28.08 | p1mrx | I don't know about laws in all countries, but aren't you normally allowed to use a company's logo when writing about that company? |
| 06:28.15 | Kalidarn | KEBA, have a look under the press thing |
| 06:28.24 | syock | the_thingy: hehe that's what I did though. Since the KDE4 packages doesn't replace KDE3's, you have to remove them yourself. |
| 06:29.02 | syock | p1mrx: fair use doesn't apply? |
| 06:29.18 | KEBA | p1mrx: well, i dont know much abouts rights, i want to be sure and ask, thats often better cause lot of distris eg. dont have logos which you can use... |
| 06:29.22 | the_thingy | syock: ahh... that's painful :). |
| 06:29.36 | the_thingy | syock: I'm going to assume this issue will sort itself out sometime |
| 06:29.46 | the_thingy | syock: suits me better :) |
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| 06:30.14 | p1mrx | yeah, I just ran emerge --depclean on Gentoo, and it's currently uninstalling all the KDE3 stuff, along with some other cruft. |
| 06:30.35 | KEBA | http://kde.org/img/kde41.png - well can i use this? |
| 06:30.39 | Kalidarn | KEBA, im pretty sure it is, because arstechnica and polishlinux use it in their reports |
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| 06:31.04 | Kalidarn | not so sure about those graphics. |
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| 06:31.18 | syock | Hey, I want emerge on my ubuntu too! Is that possible? Synchro with apt? |
| 06:31.26 | KEBA | Kalidarn: well ok, hmm i ll search on www.kde.org... |
| 06:31.28 | Kalidarn | KEBA, i was thinking of http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/KDE_logo.svg |
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| 06:31.59 | Kalidarn | i'm not sure if other logos or art.. have different, things so yeah, contact the KDE Legal email there, they will know what to tell you |
| 06:32.04 | KEBA | Kalidarn: yes thats the logo, i tried to find it on www.kde.org and there is a really nice graphic |
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| 06:32.29 | p1mrx | the concept behind --depclean seems simple enough: start from the list of explicitly requested packages, and mark all their depdencies. then delete everything else. it's like a garbage collector. |
| 06:32.31 | Kalidarn | http://www.kde.org/stuff/clipart.php KEBA |
| 06:32.46 | p1mrx | one would hope that apt has a similar feature. if it doesn't, it must really suck. |
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| 06:33.17 | syock | p1mrx: but don't you have to mark kde3 as unneeded then? |
| 06:33.26 | Kalidarn | KEBA, that should answer your question :) |
| 06:33.37 | nick125 | Anyone here know of a KDE4/Qt4 video editor? |
| 06:33.57 | p1mrx | syock: well, it looks like emerge installed all the KDE stuff in the 4.x slot, so all the 3.x slots are considered garbage now. |
| 06:34.21 | p1mrx | depclean says it's removing 3.5.x, but preserving 4.1.2 |
| 06:34.36 | Jucato | nick125: kdenlive |
| 06:34.46 | Jucato | nick125: ooops.. didn't see the "4" |
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| 06:34.59 | KEBA | i dont know whether a report about kde 4.1 is a promotion for kde.... |
| 06:35.10 | nick125 | it looks like there *is* a KDE4 version of kdenlive...hmm |
| 06:35.18 | p1mrx | ok, that's done. I better log out/in to make sure it didn't hose anything. |
| 06:36.16 | p1mrx | ok. everything is fine. nothing is ruined. |
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| 06:37.52 | syock | p1mrx: Huh? You just did it? You mean the whole story you were talking about weren't from a couple of days back or something |
| 06:38.54 | p1mrx | syock: yeah, I did it as we were talking |
| 06:39.14 | p1mrx | my IRC client is running through NX on another box, so I can restart without disconnecting. |
| 06:39.22 | syock | opooo |
| 06:40.06 | syock | Gonna go GNOME now. Will be back to KDE after problems with xorg/Intel driver/kwin. Gonna miss the launcher... |
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| 07:12.39 | syock | and when I said I'd leave KDE, did I? |
| 07:12.50 | syock | I really can't part with the app launcher!!! |
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| 07:13.23 | syock | Question: if I enable desktop effects using XRender, what kind of effects can I expect? |
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| 07:14.25 | syock | also at what time do the kwin devs come to this channel? |
| 07:14.59 | Zarin | syock, A small collection of 2D effects only |
| 07:15.03 | Zarin | Try it and see |
| 07:15.41 | Zarin | Where a "small collection" is most of them |
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| 07:17.35 | syock | Track Mouse: doesn't work here. Dialog Parent: parent still the same |
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| 07:18.14 | syock | Minimize: no animation. Present Windows: also no effect |
| 07:18.37 | sredna | KDE 4 IS UNSTABLE POS, DROPPING CONFIGURATION DATA RANDOMLY |
| 07:18.46 | syock | Shadow: obviously no shadow. Box switch: nope |
| 07:18.58 | Zarin | syock, all those are supposed to work |
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| 07:19.06 | Zarin | Which means your system is completely broken :( |
| 07:19.27 | syock | Zarin: yeah, when I tried it with Ubuntu Intrepid live CD, everything worked. with OpenGL!! |
| 07:19.44 | syock | I suppose xserver-xorg's broken then |
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| 07:23.49 | syock | Also, on that live CD, in Desktop settings, there's this dropdown menu for selecting alt-tab modes. Is it removed in the latest build? |
| 07:24.26 | Zarin | That is a new feature, that means the live CD is newer than what you are currently running |
| 07:25.16 | syock | ? Very straaangee |
| 07:25.43 | Zarin | Well it's actually a feature of 4.2, so if it's in 4.1 then it was backported by your distro |
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| 07:26.00 | Zarin | And they decided to do it to the live CD but not the main release |
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| 07:28.23 | syock | Zarin: thanks for the explanation |
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| 07:35.12 | pyrotiger | i tried to rum freedoom under kde, it loads, but instead of correctly loading, it changes the resolution, and then freezes |
| 07:35.19 | pyrotiger | however if i run it under gnome, it works just fine |
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| 07:35.57 | lemmaLaptop | pyrotiger: are you trying this with kwin composite (effects) enabled or disabled? |
| 07:36.06 | pyrotiger | disabled |
| 07:36.34 | lemmaLaptop | then I don't know :( |
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| 07:47.33 | BeteNoire | hi |
| 07:47.51 | BeteNoire | anyone know problem with hanging KDE when trying to unlock session? |
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| 07:48.51 | joaquinm | BeteNoire: are you using compiz ? |
| 07:48.57 | BeteNoire | no |
| 07:49.04 | BeteNoire | just kde4 effects |
| 07:49.19 | BeteNoire | but it hangs without them too |
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| 07:49.32 | joaquinm | kde 4.1.2 ? |
| 07:49.49 | BeteNoire | yes |
| 07:50.54 | Kalidarn | anyone found Ctrl+C fails to work in konqueror |
| 07:51.10 | hyper_ch | what is it supposed to do? |
| 07:51.18 | Kalidarn | Copy text? :) |
| 07:52.02 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn: works here... copy'n'paste files between splitted windows in kde |
| 07:52.05 | hyper_ch | in konqui |
| 07:52.15 | Kalidarn | hmm strange |
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| 07:53.23 | Kalidarn | hyper_ch, its just the shortcut that doesnt work for me |
| 07:53.24 | Kalidarn | pasting works. |
| 07:53.31 | Kalidarn | ie Ctrl+V |
| 07:54.06 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn: works for me... copied a file from konqui with ctrl-c and pasted it in a splitted konqui windows with ctrl-v |
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| 07:56.11 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | helloo |
| 07:56.30 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | you guys are having troubles with kde4+kdm management? |
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| 07:58.15 | BeteNoire | yes, in systemsettings i don't see a button going to root mode |
| 07:58.29 | hyper_ch | no problems with that |
| 07:58.41 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | BeteNoire: same here |
| 07:58.49 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hyper_ch: it just worked to you? |
| 07:59.06 | hyper_ch | Kamus_H_Zwisch: yes, sometimes I'm asked for sudo password |
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| 07:59.35 | poe-t | hi |
| 07:59.56 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hyper_ch: lol, lucky |
| 07:59.59 | poe-t | is there any network load plasmoid? |
| 08:00.01 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | poe-t: hi |
| 08:00.07 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | yes |
| 08:00.10 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | various of it |
| 08:00.15 | hyper_ch | Kamus_H_Zwisch: using kubuntu 8.10 |
| 08:00.17 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | check www.kde-look.org |
| 08:00.22 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hyper_ch: lenny here |
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| 08:00.43 | hyper_ch | Kamus_H_Zwisch: debian is great - on servers ;) |
| 08:00.50 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | lol |
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| 08:02.18 | poe-t | Kamus_H_Zwisch, thank you |
| 08:02.29 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | nope |
| 08:02.50 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | man, I realy need to configure it |
| 08:02.52 | hyper_ch | Kamus_H_Zwisch: you're on wifi? |
| 08:02.53 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | figuring out how =/ |
| 08:02.57 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hyper_ch: nope |
| 08:03.11 | hyper_ch | too bad... I have an issue but don't know yet if it's kernel related |
| 08:03.23 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hm |
| 08:03.28 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | I have a friend that can help you |
| 08:03.33 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | but he is sleeping right now |
| 08:03.34 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | lol |
| 08:03.38 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | what is the problem? |
| 08:04.10 | hyper_ch | Kamus_H_Zwisch: could be distro dependant... for some reasons after a while my wifi rate is set to 1 Mb/s and then I lose connection because of that (too many torrents to handle then) |
| 08:04.28 | hyper_ch | Kamus_H_Zwisch: I need then to manually sudo iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M |
| 08:04.46 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hm |
| 08:04.50 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | what is your net card? |
| 08:05.03 | Kalidarn | hyper_ch, its possible, its to do with the encoding |
| 08:05.03 | hyper_ch | so I'm not sure if it's a kernel/driver bug or a distro bug with the auto-rate negotiation |
| 08:05.11 | Kalidarn | hyper_ch, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/147168 |
| 08:05.12 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn: what encoding? |
| 08:05.21 | Kalidarn | hmm, it works from textboxes. |
| 08:05.25 | Kalidarn | but not rendered text on the page |
| 08:05.41 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn: what are you talking bout? |
| 08:06.00 | Kalidarn | < Using KDE 4.1.2 (KDE 4.1.2) (KDEmod) |
| 08:06.11 | Kalidarn | hyper_ch, the copy pasting of text from konqueror using Control + C |
| 08:06.20 | Kalidarn | it works if i rightclick on it and click 'copy' |
| 08:06.20 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn: that's not my problem ;) |
| 08:06.21 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | aha! |
| 08:06.25 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | I did it! |
| 08:06.38 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | well, the buttons are unlocked |
| 08:06.44 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | wondering if it will work |
| 08:06.59 | hyper_ch | Kamus_H_Zwisch: 03:01.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01) |
| 08:07.27 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | http://home.bb-zone.com/index.php/Ralink_RT2500_Linux_Howto |
| 08:08.31 | hyper_ch | Kamus_H_Zwisch: it works fine... only since I switched from 8.04 to 8.10 alpha 3 it has been an issue |
| 08:09.02 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | is an alpha of an unstable based distro that is more unstable than the unstable |
| 08:09.07 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | what you want from it? |
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| 08:09.24 | hyper_ch | Kamus_H_Zwisch: it's beta meanwhile |
| 08:09.31 | hyper_ch | Kamus_H_Zwisch: and in about 10 days stable ;) |
| 08:09.37 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | :P |
| 08:09.52 | hyper_ch | Kamus_H_Zwisch: and I have not encountered that issue in any previous release sind 6.06 |
| 08:10.32 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | ubuntu in is a not good situation |
| 08:10.54 | hyper_ch | *buntu is great :) |
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| 08:11.03 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | oops |
| 08:11.08 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | ubuntu is not in a good situation* |
| 08:11.09 | kmeyer | what does kde4 use instead of dcop? |
| 08:11.16 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | kmeyer: dcop |
| 08:11.17 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | dcop |
| 08:11.18 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | and... dcop |
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| 08:11.27 | hyper_ch | what's dcop? |
| 08:11.27 | kmeyer | Kamus_H_Zwisch: heh |
| 08:11.41 | kmeyer | I could swear ktorrent in kde3 had a dcop interface |
| 08:11.46 | kmeyer | does it just not have it in kde4? |
| 08:12.00 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | think yes |
| 08:12.10 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | since amarok has it |
| 08:12.10 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | he |
| 08:12.17 | hyper_ch | kmeyer: ktorrent... ieeeeeks |
| 08:12.18 | kmeyer | amarok is kde3 isn't it? |
| 08:12.21 | kmeyer | except for amarok2 |
| 08:12.25 | SSJ_GZ | kmeyer: dbus is used instead of dcop in KDE4. |
| 08:12.26 | hyper_ch | amarok2 is kde4 |
| 08:12.47 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | I fell a little lost in amarok2 gui |
| 08:12.48 | hyper_ch | ktorrent is so bloated... like azureus ;) |
| 08:12.58 | hyper_ch | Kamus_H_Zwisch: you can make it like amarok |
| 08:13.13 | kmeyer | SSJ_GZ: thanks, that's what I thought |
| 08:13.14 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | hyper_ch: hmm, I will search it |
| 08:13.15 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | ty |
| 08:13.29 | kmeyer | hyper_ch: eh, what's better than ktorrent? |
| 08:13.35 | hyper_ch | kmeyer: rtorrent |
| 08:13.42 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | transmission |
| 08:14.09 | kmeyer | hyper_ch: rtorrent can select not to download some files right? |
| 08:14.13 | hyper_ch | transmission is also bloat |
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| 08:14.17 | kmeyer | Kamus_H_Zwisch: doesn't have the features I want |
| 08:14.19 | hyper_ch | kmeyer: yes, it can |
| 08:14.26 | kmeyer | hyper_ch: webseeds? |
| 08:14.27 | Kamus_H_Zwisch | kmeyer: that was/ |
| 08:14.35 | hyper_ch | kmeyer: what are webseesds? |
| 08:14.50 | kmeyer | download from http or ftp simultaneously with bittorrent |
| 08:14.58 | kmeyer | it's useful for downloading free software isos for example |
| 08:15.14 | hyper_ch | kmeyer: can't do that - at least not that I know of |
| 08:15.17 | kmeyer | and the chunks from http can be checked against the sha1 sums in the torrent |
| 08:15.24 | kmeyer | hyper_ch: it's a nifty feature ktorrent has :) |
| 08:15.34 | kmeyer | granted, I don't *really* need it |
| 08:15.50 | hyper_ch | kmeyer: hmmm... I'd have no use for that.... but others might |
| 08:16.09 | Kalidarn | interesting, hyper_ch it works... on the 'default konqueror' page. but not on anything else. |
| 08:16.11 | Kalidarn | once u go to a website |
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| 08:17.09 | hyper_ch | kmeyer: I have about 350gb of torrent data open and rtorrent just uses 87mb ram |
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| 08:17.29 | kmeyer | 350gb of .torrent data?! |
| 08:17.38 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn: works for me |
| 08:17.38 | kmeyer | or 350 of files? |
| 08:17.59 | hyper_ch | kmeyer: no, open torrents that are all in all about 350gb data |
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| 08:18.05 | kmeyer | hyper_ch: eh, as long as it's below a gig of ram I'm not really concerned |
| 08:18.14 | kmeyer | I like rtorrent, I've used it in the past |
| 08:18.52 | hyper_ch | damn, I use 1.5 gb ram... |
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| 08:20.47 | hyper_ch | kmeyer: rtorrent is really nice, but use the latest svn :) debian is always a bit "behind" with current versions ;) |
| 08:21.00 | kmeyer | pff, I don't use debian :) |
| 08:21.08 | JackWinter | hiya, on kde 3.5.9 (kubuntu 8.04). kmail has stopped using the pw from kde walletmanager. any idea how i can get it going again ? |
| 08:21.11 | hyper_ch | kmeyer: mepis? *buntu? |
| 08:21.27 | kmeyer | fedora |
| 08:21.33 | hyper_ch | JackWinter: I don't like walletmanager and deactivate it always |
| 08:21.34 | kmeyer | generally up-to-date with current versions |
| 08:21.45 | hyper_ch | kmeyer: that's not debian based... ieeeks.... |
| 08:21.53 | kmeyer | JackWinter: restart kmail maybe? if walletmanager died, maybe restart that too? |
| 08:22.03 | kmeyer | hyper_ch: ohnoes, if it's not debian, it's terrible? |
| 08:22.10 | hyper_ch | kmeyer: it is :) |
| 08:22.20 | hyper_ch | how can you live without .deb files? |
| 08:22.26 | kmeyer | heh |
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| 08:22.28 | JackWinter | kmeyer: i've restarted the entire kde session, but seems like something got damaged. |
| 08:22.32 | kmeyer | .rpms are roughly the same |
| 08:22.37 | kmeyer | JackWinter: hm, weird. never ran into that |
| 08:22.41 | hyper_ch | "dependency hell* |
| 08:22.42 | kmeyer | and I've had kde fail on me in interesting ways |
| 08:22.54 | kmeyer | hyper_ch: ?? rpm distros have dependency resolution too... |
| 08:23.02 | hyper_ch | kmeyer: since when=? |
| 08:23.10 | kmeyer | since... 8 years ago maybe? |
| 08:23.11 | hyper_ch | remembers RH 7 |
| 08:23.16 | kmeyer | yeah, RH 7 was ages ago |
| 08:23.26 | hyper_ch | 7.2 and 7.3 ;) |
| 08:23.37 | hyper_ch | apt is just so great ;) |
| 08:23.40 | hyper_ch | every distro should have it |
| 08:23.45 | kmeyer | Fedora has apt! |
| 08:23.59 | hyper_ch | but not as default, right? |
| 08:24.00 | JackWinter | kmeyer: this is a brand new install, since i had a problem with kded racing and consuming 25% cpu when idle. couldn't solve it so reinstalled and organized my sysstem much better, and now 2 days later kwallet is down the drain :) |
| 08:24.01 | kmeyer | apt got ported to do rpms |
| 08:24.03 | pinotree | points everybody to the topic |
| 08:24.08 | kmeyer | yeah, the default is yum nowadays |
| 08:24.12 | kmeyer | pinotree: sorry :) |
| 08:24.32 | kmeyer | hyper_ch: 0.7.8 recent enough of rtorrent? |
| 08:24.42 | hyper_ch | JackWinter: if you need kmail access right now, deactivate kwallet and have the password stored in kmail config |
| 08:24.52 | hyper_ch | kmeyer: nope, that's a very old version |
| 08:25.17 | kmeyer | hm, it is |
| 08:25.22 | JackWinter | hyper_ch: sure i can do that, but i would like to get my kdewallet working again :) |
| 08:25.35 | hyper_ch | I think individual throttling was integrated in 0.8.x |
| 08:26.22 | hyper_ch | JackWinter: remove kdewallet, backup the kdewallet config, reinstall it... and then see if it works again... if it does try to put back your config |
| 08:26.51 | hyper_ch | pinotree: what about the topic? ^^ |
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| 08:36.06 | hyper_ch | wow, just found out how to see experts-exchange.com solutions :) |
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| 08:36.28 | Kalidarn | lol does it involve blocking that script |
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| 08:37.02 | Novell | hyper_ch: a friend showed me last week :P |
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| 08:37.10 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn: (1) delete the cookie from them (if you have one) (2) block setting of cookies from experts-exchange.com (3) --> you'll see the solutions at the end of their page |
| 08:37.28 | Kalidarn | :) lol |
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| 08:38.07 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn: they are so annoying because they have quite a few top listings in google |
| 08:39.58 | Kalidarn | someone want to help verify a bug for me? |
| 08:40.13 | Kalidarn | try opening konqueror, and copying text... from it to something else. |
| 08:40.19 | Kalidarn | ive found it works, with the 'default' or 'home page' |
| 08:40.29 | Kalidarn | but as soon as i go to any other site, or open another tab to another site, it stops working |
| 08:40.36 | Kalidarn | btw hyper_ch what distro? |
| 08:41.01 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn: Kubuntu 8.10 Beta Intrepid Ibex 64bit |
| 08:41.08 | Kalidarn | hmm its possible its patched |
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| 08:42.01 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn: they were doorstops when they were manufactured. As far as valuable, the |
| 08:42.13 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn: works fine... just copied that from google search on "Kalidarn" in konqui |
| 08:42.24 | Kalidarn | make sure klipper is closed |
| 08:42.50 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn's profile KDE-Apps.org Community Portal for KDE Applications Software Office |
| 08:42.53 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn: still works |
| 08:43.00 | Kalidarn | right. |
| 08:43.03 | patco444 | The Best Online RPG / Strategy game ever : http://www.fallensword.com/?ref=1461055 |
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| 08:43.09 | Kalidarn | so its copying HTML thats also important. |
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| 08:43.16 | Kalidarn | because ive found that text boxes work still. |
| 08:43.24 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn: ??? |
| 08:43.25 | Kalidarn | i wonder what's causing it ^_^ |
| 08:43.38 | Kalidarn | why the Control+C shortcut goes dead as soon as i open a page ;) |
| 08:43.45 | hyper_ch | *flood worning* |
| 08:43.48 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn's profile KDE-Apps.org |
| 08:43.49 | hyper_ch | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.51 | hyper_ch | Kalidarn's profile KDE-Apps.org Community Portal for KDE Applications Software Office Multimedia Graphic Network Printing Education Games Development ... |
| 08:43.52 | hyper_ch | kde-apps.org/usermanager/search.php?username=Kalidarn&PHPSESSID= 6d9f9043e69a076491d8a76357e0154d - 50k - Im Cache - Ãhnliche Seiten |
| 08:43.56 | Kalidarn | yeah okay thats enough :) |
| 08:44.19 | hyper_ch | works for me |
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| 08:45.25 | logixoul | hi, i don't suppose there is a solution but gotta try: |
| 08:45.42 | logixoul | KDE3 apps in my KDE4 have half of the icons empty. |
| 08:45.56 | logixoul | (amarok, kdevelop, etc) |
| 08:45.58 | logixoul | any ideas? |
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| 08:46.25 | logixoul | `ln -s /opt/kde3/share/icons /usr/share/icons` didn't help |
| 08:47.20 | Jucato | logixoul: what is the output of "echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS"? |
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| 08:48.20 | logixoul | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.32 | Kalidarn | hyper_ch, i mist see if some kdemod people have having problems :) |
| 08:48.50 | Jucato | logixoul: hm... :( |
| 08:48.59 | Jucato | thinks of other ways |
| 08:49.11 | hyper_ch | logixoul: use amarok2 :) |
| 08:49.30 | Kalidarn | how stable is amarok2 ;) |
| 08:49.33 | Kalidarn | havn't tried it in a while |
| 08:49.41 | logixoul | hyper_ch: no |
| 08:49.41 | Kalidarn | beta1 was a bit ;) yeah. |
| 08:49.54 | Kalidarn | (needed some work) |
| 08:50.06 | logixoul | 1.4 tried and true |
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| 08:50.22 | yao_ziyuan | where can i get more kde4 wallpapers? |
| 08:50.33 | hyper_ch | yao_ziyuan: you could create some :) |
| 08:50.33 | yao_ziyuan | other than those usuals at kde-look.org? |
| 08:50.34 | pinotree | www.kde-look.org ? |
| 08:50.39 | kmeyer | gimpshop some kde3 wallpaper maybe? |
| 08:50.50 | logixoul | yao, go outside with a good camera and do some shoots |
| 08:51.01 | yao_ziyuan | . |
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| 08:51.17 | yao_ziyuan | i mean kde4 have some default wallpapers customized for different screen resolutions |
| 08:52.09 | logixoul | There aren't any wallpapers packaged this way, outside the ones bundled with KDE. |
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| 08:58.03 | logixoul | thanks anyway guys |
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| 09:23.33 | Donald-teh-Duck1 | hello. did anyone notice, that kde4 flickers around when a wine app is open? some parts of it turn just black like the K button or the background. but its kinda random. when I minimize that app into tray, kde4 is working normally again |
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| 09:28.45 | ponto | Donald-teh-Duck1: you have a limited number of colors? |
| 09:28.51 | Donald-teh-Duck1 | what do you mean? my desktop runs at 32bit afaik |
| 09:29.07 | Donald-teh-Duck1 | 32bit colors i mean |
| 09:29.08 | ponto | xdpyinfo gives you the depth |
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| 09:30.26 | Donald-teh-Duck1 | http://rafb.net/p/GVmhyA49.html thats what I get |
| 09:31.02 | Donald-teh-Duck1 | it says mostly "32 planes" |
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| 09:32.14 | ponto | Donald-teh-Duck1: your depth is 24. this is ok. There has to be another reason. |
| 09:32.27 | Donald-teh-Duck1 | okay |
| 09:32.58 | Donald-teh-Duck1 | I should say that i use the kdemod distribution of kde, but i know someone who uses normal kde4 with suse and he says that he has the same problem |
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| 09:41.43 | Donald-teh-Duck1 | should I fill a bugreport about that? |
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| 09:45.10 | maniel | hi |
| 09:45.33 | maniel | does kde4's solid send some dbus signal when suspending? |
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| 09:48.50 | thiago_home | HAL does |
| 09:49.57 | maniel | looked on it several times, where to search?:) |
| 09:50.25 | maniel | org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Condition? |
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| 09:53.53 | Donald-teh-Duck1 | i guess filling a bugreport because of that wine thing will be best |
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| 09:54.11 | marcparis | hi |
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| 09:54.31 | marcparis | i have strigi and nepomuk actived... is there a ui to do some search? |
| 09:54.52 | maniel | yeah, dolpgin & nepomuksearch:/ |
| 09:54.59 | maniel | *dolphin |
| 09:55.00 | maniel | ;-) |
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| 09:57.59 | marcparis | dolphin, seem to use kfind... |
| 09:58.28 | marcparis | and if i select use index... they use locate... |
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| 09:59.46 | maniel | it's because kfind isn't hooked to nepomuk/strigi yet afaik |
| 10:00.35 | marcparis | so i need to wait... |
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| 10:03.47 | marcparis | i we can't doing search, it's not very usefull to active strigi and nepomuk |
| 10:05.27 | maniel | you could by using mepomuksearch:/ in dolphin or konqueror |
| 10:05.35 | loktor | Hi ! I want to write japanese. So, I installed skim, uim,... But, It only works in GTK apps. I can't write japanese in Qt's apps. Any idea ? (I'm running KDE4.1.2 on Arch) |
| 10:06.28 | marcparis | where i can find it in dolphin |
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| 10:09.05 | maniel | marcparis: just write nepomuksearch:/<search string> in dolphin's addressbar |
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| 10:12.25 | marcparis | with: nepomuksearch jpg can't be listed... |
| 10:13.06 | maniel | and one more thing, suspend option [s3, str] isn't asking for user confirmation before suspend:) |
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| 10:19.49 | maniel | hmm, i'm just reading hal dbus api docs and still no signs of suspend/resume signals;-) |
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| 10:22.16 | maniel | eh, we are at the edge of kde 4.2 and solid still doesn't send such signals, |
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| 10:35.12 | marcparis | hi |
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| 10:36.23 | BeerSerc | Morning! How can I tell KDE4's Konsole, that the mousewheel is _not_ th up and down key? I dont want any cursor to move in vim if I use the mousewheel! |
| 10:38.33 | fred | is there a way to force plasma to save it's config? |
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| 10:38.45 | fred | (other than logout) |
| 10:39.57 | Jucato | fred: "kquitapp plasma && plasma" |
| 10:39.59 | pinotree | kquitapp plasma && plasma |
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| 10:41.43 | Jucato | :( |
| 10:42.33 | pinotree | ? |
| 10:42.54 | Jucato | I thought I made a typo and you corrected me :) |
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| 10:43.34 | pinotree | started writing when no reply was posted yet |
| 10:43.42 | Jucato | ah |
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| 10:53.21 | darx | hi, how can i set the maximum font size in konqueror? the font setting offers a minimum and medium font size but there is no maximum font size. |
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| 10:54.28 | darx | Anybody home? |
| 10:55.35 | darx | Firefox allows overriding of author fonts, so does opera. There has to be something similar for konqueror? |
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| 10:59.02 | BeerSerc | doesn't anybody know where to configure mouse behaviour in konsole? |
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| 11:10.02 | thiago_home | which mouse behaviour? |
| 11:10.47 | BeerSerc | thiago_home: mousewheel kind of emulating up and down keys |
| 11:11.10 | thiago_home | what would you prefer instead? |
| 11:11.39 | BeerSerc | nothing. if there is a scrollbar, scroll it, and if not, do nothing |
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| 11:12.13 | BeerSerc | and now the behaviour is, if there is a scrollbar, scroll it, if not, pretent you are up/down |
| 11:12.20 | BeerSerc | which in vim is really annoying |
| 11:12.23 | thiago_home | which is very good |
| 11:12.29 | thiago_home | if you're using less, for instance |
| 11:12.37 | tsb | l've edited passwd with vipw to change the default shell; how do I update the changes? When I log in again, I still log in with the old. |
| 11:12.44 | BeerSerc | for less it might be useful, but in vi it is not |
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| 11:12.48 | thiago_home | tsb: wrong channel. |
| 11:12.55 | thiago_home | BeerSerc: I don't use vi/vim. What's the issue? |
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| 11:14.50 | BeerSerc | thiago_home: one of the great usability features of vim imo is, that the cursor stays where it is, no matter what you do with the mouse. so you can just middle-mouse-click anywhere, and you will paste where the cursor is |
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| 11:15.14 | thiago_home | BeerSerc: and what's preventing you from using that? |
| 11:15.14 | BeerSerc | if the cursor now moves when I use the mousewheel, thats not really usable anymore |
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| 11:15.58 | thiago_home | don't use the wheel up or down then |
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| 11:16.10 | thiago_home | in fact, don't use the wheel at all if it bothers you |
| 11:16.10 | BeerSerc | my mousewheel is free, so it spins very easily. therefor nearly every paste does not end up where it should |
| 11:16.28 | thiago_home | so, stop using the wheel to paste |
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| 11:16.55 | thiago_home | ctrl+shift+insert instead |
| 11:17.08 | BeerSerc | I definitely wont. if I stop using the wheel to paste, I can just go back to M$ OS, if you count usability |
| 11:17.23 | Jucato | BeerSerc: I believe vim has a setting to disable mouse wheel scroll |
| 11:17.40 | thiago_home | always uses ctrl+shift+insert to paste from the selection |
| 11:17.44 | BeerSerc | Jucato: yes, but konsole tells vim it was the up and down cursor |
| 11:17.47 | thiago_home | I wish all applications had that, not just konsole |
| 11:17.56 | thiago_home | use that |
| 11:18.10 | thiago_home | it's much more convenient, since you don't have to move your hand to the mouse |
| 11:18.20 | BeerSerc | I just think such things should be configurable |
| 11:18.25 | thiago_home | I don't |
| 11:18.30 | thiago_home | overconfigurability |
| 11:18.54 | BeerSerc | thiago_home: but you use the mouse to get something into klipper, so your hand usually is at the mouse |
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| 11:19.12 | thiago_home | but my hand is moving back to the keyboard |
| 11:19.24 | thiago_home | and if you're in vim or vi, you may have to type i for insert |
| 11:19.27 | thiago_home | that's your right hand |
| 11:19.38 | Mace` | ugh.. have to hook up the LEDs on this old fbsd box |
| 11:19.47 | BeerSerc | thiago_home: maybe you are already in insert mode ... |
| 11:19.48 | Mace` | LEDs are a pain sometimes |
| 11:20.06 | thiago_home | BeerSerc: maybe, maybe not |
| 11:20.08 | BeerSerc | but you see, there are different opinions here, so a configuration option, at least in a config/rc file would be not |
| 11:20.14 | thiago_home | BeerSerc: point being: get used to Ctrl+Shift+Insert |
| 11:20.26 | thiago_home | in the worst case, you're at exactly where you were before |
| 11:20.47 | thiago_home | in the best, you avoid moving your hand to the mouse again after pressing i, or having the cursor moved |
| 11:21.04 | BeerSerc | thiago_home: I didnt know about that one and I think I will use it, but still, if you have to paste a lot between two or more files ... |
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| 11:21.15 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 11:21.23 | thiago_home | and we can't add a config option for every time someone disagrees |
| 11:21.45 | Ace2016 | How do i make qt3 match the colour scheme set by kde4? |
| 11:21.53 | thiago_home | Ace2016: run kcontrol |
| 11:22.06 | Ace2016 | i mean i can't use kcontrol because then it'll remove kde4 |
| 11:22.16 | thiago_home | use kcontrol |
| 11:22.21 | thiago_home | install from the KDE 3 packages, run it |
| 11:22.54 | BeerSerc | thiago_home: I understand that. I just think that this is a huge change in usability, and I wondered why it isnt configurable. but if it is intended, then maybe I have to get used to other ways of pasting |
| 11:22.56 | Ace2016 | uninstall kde4 just to get a colour scheme to match -_- |
| 11:23.01 | Mace` | http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm |
| 11:23.09 | Mace` | wow that's horrible :) |
| 11:23.09 | thiago_home | BeerSerc: it's intended as an usability improvement |
| 11:23.17 | thiago_home | BeerSerc: like scrolling in less |
| 11:23.33 | BeerSerc | thiago_home: OK, then maybe the problem is me ... I'll get used to it then |
| 11:23.36 | thiago_home | Ace2016: I said install kcontrol, not uninstall kde4 |
| 11:24.46 | thiago_home | Ace2016: the two aren't exclusive |
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| 11:24.52 | BeerSerc | thiago_home: to be honest, now I tried less with mousewheel support, and that is really cool. so forget about the config option ;) |
| 11:25.04 | Ace2016 | it is in debian |
| 11:25.23 | BeerSerc | Ace2016: you can use --nodeps or similar with apt |
| 11:25.38 | thiago_home | Ace2016: then complain to #debian for not allowing parallel installation |
| 11:25.48 | thiago_home | besides, there's no kcontrol in KDE 4, so it doesn't clash with anything |
| 11:25.54 | BeerSerc | dont go to #debian, you will be eaten ... |
| 11:25.56 | Ace2016 | they are conflicting over kdebase-data |
| 11:26.12 | BeerSerc | apt-get install portage && emerge -C apt ... |
| 11:26.23 | Ace2016 | wait a sec |
| 11:26.26 | BeerSerc | no |
| 11:26.28 | Ace2016 | you can actually do that? |
| 11:26.29 | BeerSerc | dont do that |
| 11:26.33 | BeerSerc | no you cant |
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| 11:26.58 | BeerSerc | someone once tried to implement that, but he failed |
| 11:27.01 | Ace2016 | it'd be amazing if you could though |
| 11:27.06 | BeerSerc | I dont think there is a way, right |
| 11:27.33 | Jucato | Ace2016: are you able to run "kcmshell colors"? |
| 11:27.48 | BeerSerc | I had to learn apt and (worse) rpm recently for taking an LPI exam. horrible! |
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| 11:35.44 | scarabeus | hi i have one issue |
| 11:36.01 | BearLad | just one .. you're lucky |
| 11:36.03 | scarabeus | FindKde4Internal.cmake does one ugly thingie |
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| 11:36.11 | scarabeus | -DQT_NO_STL |
| 11:36.16 | scarabeus | why it define this |
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| 11:36.35 | scarabeus | /usr/share/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake |
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| 11:36.42 | scarabeus | this file when i use full path |
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| 11:39.09 | scarabeus | i need noly to know if i can safely remove this definition without harming any kittens |
| 11:39.30 | scarabeus | rest i will handle in ebuild |
| 11:39.39 | Ace2016 | Jucato: i get no output from the command |
| 11:40.15 | Jucato | not even a "Could not find module 'color'"? |
| 11:40.23 | Ace2016 | nope |
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| 11:41.10 | Ace2016 | kcmshell --list shows and kresources |
| 11:41.25 | Ace2016 | kcmcgi and kresources |
| 11:41.34 | Jucato | ah then.. sorry.. no more idea :/ |
| 11:42.57 | Ace2016 | why can't kde4 apply the colours to qt3 apps as well? or at least write a similar config for them to follow |
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| 11:45.39 | scarabeus | ok solved otherwise |
| 11:45.42 | scarabeus | see ya |
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| 11:50.05 | BeerSerc | I am missing some Icons, I think mostly in apps which I used in kde3 before, e.g. kile and amarok. do I have to recompile them against kde4 ? |
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| 11:57.01 | jarle | FINALLY, Konsole in KDE4 is able to restore last session. Now I can start using KDE4 on my desktop machine. |
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| 12:03.09 | loktor | Hi ! Does anyone succeed in typing japanese caracters on KDE4.1 ? |
| 12:03.44 | jazka | loktor: yes |
| 12:04.19 | jazka | loktor: with scim and anthy |
| 12:06.21 | loktor | jazka: It works, but only in GTK apps. In Qt apps, it doesn't work. |
| 12:06.41 | jazka | loktor: environment variables set up correctly? |
| 12:06.59 | jazka | QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge |
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| 12:07.53 | loktor | jazka: QT_IM_MODULE=scim |
| 12:08.04 | jazka | try scim-bridge, I remember having some problems with scim |
| 12:08.10 | jazka | I think you need to install it first |
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| 12:08.49 | loktor | jazka: what is your distro ? |
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| 12:09.43 | jazka | loktor: opensuse 11 |
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| 12:55.08 | loktor | jazka: I installed scim-bridge. Now I can write japanese characters in kate, konsole... but no more in GTK apps >_< |
| 12:55.18 | thiago_home | who needs GTK apps? :-P |
| 12:55.20 | thiago_home | runs |
| 12:55.49 | punraz | Hello, is sftp:// and fish:// known to work with kde 4.1.2? Bcs. on my installation (gentoo) it won't... |
| 12:56.02 | loktor | thiago_home: just firefox... |
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| 12:56.27 | thiago_home | punraz: yes, they are supposed to work |
| 12:57.45 | punraz | thiago_home: but do they work? did you use those protocols with kde 4.1.2? |
| 12:58.34 | thiago_home | they're supposed to |
| 12:58.46 | thiago_home | I don't track the 4.1 branch, so I haven't tested them myself |
| 12:58.48 | thiago_home | they work in 4.2 |
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| 12:59.58 | punraz | thiago_home: maybe they work in 4.2 but I'd really like to know wether they work in 4.1.2 ... |
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| 13:00.46 | thiago_home | they were working before 4.1 was released |
| 13:00.50 | thiago_home | though I remember some issues with fish |
| 13:00.54 | thiago_home | sftp was working flawlessly |
| 13:00.58 | thiago_home | so, they should work in 4.1.2 |
| 13:01.43 | punraz | Maybe, but could anyone with kde 4.1.2 pretty please test if sftp:// and fish:// work? |
| 13:02.21 | lilltiger | The program on your computer which provides access to the sftp protocol has reported an unknown error: . |
| 13:02.35 | punraz | aaaah |
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| 13:03.20 | lilltiger | hmm do you know any ftp-server that is guaranteed to accept anon sftp |
| 13:04.23 | punraz | lilltiger: do you have any ssh access? then try that one: sftp://user@host:port |
| 13:05.09 | lilltiger | works fine |
| 13:05.28 | punraz | lilltiger: kde 4.1.2? |
| 13:05.31 | lilltiger | yes |
| 13:05.47 | punraz | and what happens when you fish://user@host:port |
| 13:06.36 | lilltiger | also works |
| 13:06.48 | punraz | hmm. what distri? |
| 13:06.55 | lilltiger | archlinux |
| 13:07.28 | punraz | lilltiger: what ssh (version) do you have installed? |
| 13:07.58 | lilltiger | OpenSSH_5.1p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8i 15 Sep 2008 |
| 13:09.02 | punraz | lilltiger: tnx for your help. Im going to upgrade my openssh... |
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| 13:09.44 | lilltiger | np |
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| 13:13.25 | _RedGhostBis_ | punraz: sftp works |
| 13:13.29 | _RedGhostBis_ | (Debian) |
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| 13:14.14 | _RedGhostBis_ | also fish (which is a suprise given that I haven't been able to make it work in kde3 for very long) |
| 13:14.46 | punraz | _RedGhostBis_: tnx, kde 4.1.2 i suppose? what openssh version do you have installed? |
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| 13:19.00 | jazka | loktor: did you install scim-bridge-gtk too? |
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| 13:20.39 | Prachanda | how to make my kde 4.1.2 load from normal user other than root | root loads it but it doesn't load from simple user |
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| 13:24.45 | *** topic/#kde by pinotree -> KDE 4.1.2 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/faq/ | KDE forum: http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://rafb.net/paste | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 |
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| 13:28.05 | pinotree | New official KDE forum! http://forum.kde.org |
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| 13:28.59 | sebas | Yay! |
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| 13:29.13 | SSJ_GZ | Woo! |
| 13:30.29 | _RedGhostBis_ | punraz: 4.1.2, yes... and OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-3, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 |
| 13:32.02 | Honeyman | Hi. Can someone hint me about a good tutorial on DCOP? |
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| 13:34.02 | _RedGhostBis_ | Honeyman: hm, DCOP has been phased out in KDE4, you know... |
| 13:34.37 | Honeyman | Yep, but until KDE4 reaches Debian Testing, many people are bound to KDE3... |
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| 13:34.59 | Honeyman | And anyway, they say that D-Bus is alike DCOP... |
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| 13:35.53 | Prachanda | how to make my kde 4.1.2 load from normal user other than root | root loads it but it doesn't load from simple user |
| 13:35.56 | Prachanda | how to make my kde 4.1.2 load from normal user other than root | root loads it but it doesn't load from simple user |
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| 13:36.02 | Prachanda | how to make my kde 4.1.2 load from normal user other than root | root loads it but it doesn't load from simple user |
| 13:36.43 | pinotree | Prachanda: a) stop the spam |
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| 13:38.29 | Honeyman | In fact, I am trying to understand, what instances of konsole are available for controlling. I cannot just "dcop konsole", right? I have to use "dcop konsole-17521", and like this... |
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| 13:40.37 | NauarchLysander | Can anybody tell me why the YouTube page is so slow in Konqueror? |
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| 13:48.23 | sebas | pinotree: I don't care the least about that, to be honest. I didn't even follow you guys |
| 13:48.34 | pinotree | sebas: wrong chat :) |
| 13:48.35 | sebas | ow, oops |
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| 13:55.19 | jad4 | Alt + F2 (run command plasmoid) doesn't work for me anymore :S |
| 13:55.32 | jad4 | it doesn't show anything on the desktop |
| 13:55.48 | jad4 | even though it appears on the taskbar |
| 13:55.56 | jad4 | any idea? |
| 13:56.02 | jad4 | it was working before... |
| 13:56.11 | jad4 | kde 4.1.2 opensuse 10.3 |
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| 13:56.44 | jad4 | and I've rebooted menwhile and still not working by the way |
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| 14:03.40 | pumphaus | mh, how is this lego designing app called I read about on planetkde a few weeks ago? |
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| 14:04.53 | Lanoxx | how do i have to configure file associations in kde to open .exe files with wine? |
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| 14:06.10 | pumphaus | Lanoxx: for mime type application/x-ms-dos-executable add wine to the list of preffered apps |
| 14:06.19 | pumphaus | -f |
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| 14:08.07 | Lanoxx | pumphaus: there is no application/x-ms-dos-executable in file associations |
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| 14:08.17 | pumphaus | Lanoxx: kde 3 or 4 ? |
| 14:08.20 | Lanoxx | 3 |
| 14:09.05 | pumphaus | Lanoxx: try searching for "exe" and check if there's something matching |
| 14:09.09 | Lanoxx | onthing |
| 14:09.13 | Lanoxx | nothing |
| 14:09.24 | pumphaus | then just create application/x-ms-dos-executable |
| 14:09.36 | pumphaus | filename pattern should be *.exe |
| 14:09.44 | Lanoxx | add -> group = application? |
| 14:09.59 | pumphaus | yes |
| 14:11.40 | Lanoxx | hmm, no success |
| 14:11.54 | Lanoxx | i added application/x-ms-dos-executable |
| 14:12.01 | Lanoxx | then filetype pattern .exe |
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| 14:12.07 | Lanoxx | and programm: wine -f |
| 14:13.43 | Lanoxx | i wonder why this is not a default setting |
| 14:14.02 | Lanoxx | in kubuntu that was preconfigured |
| 14:14.10 | Lanoxx | how ever im on gentoo |
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| 14:15.13 | pumphaus | well, in gentoo there's nearly nothing preconfigured |
| 14:15.17 | pumphaus | that's why I like it =) |
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| 14:17.21 | Half-Left | is seriously thinking of getting a ATI HD 2400 |
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| 14:19.02 | buntfalke | wie löscht man gespeicherte nuter/passwörter aus konqi? |
| 14:19.08 | buntfalke | erm, sorry. wrong language. |
| 14:19.21 | buntfalke | How to delete saved usernames/passwords in Konqi? |
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| 14:20.43 | buscher | with kwallet/kwalletmanager |
| 14:20.49 | buntfalke | thanks |
| 14:21.54 | lilltiger | Half-Left: isent the ati-drivers still broken in kde4? |
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| 14:22.10 | Half-Left | Not that I read |
| 14:22.28 | Half-Left | I was reading on planet that it's much better for KDE4 |
| 14:22.45 | pumphaus | well, current nvidia drivers do a pretty good job as well |
| 14:22.57 | lilltiger | might be fixednow tried with my 2400 HD a month or two back, works very bad |
| 14:23.34 | marko_d | lilltiger: my ati drivers don't work with kwin composite, i have filled a bug report |
| 14:23.38 | Half-Left | What works bad exactly? |
| 14:23.50 | lilltiger | composite |
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| 14:24.22 | Half-Left | http://adymo.blogspot.com/2008/10/kde4-performance-on-nvidia-8600gt.html |
| 14:24.47 | lilltiger | opengl was all black and ugly.. and xender slow like there was no tomorrow |
| 14:25.03 | Half-Left | Strange |
| 14:25.13 | Half-Left | What about the Xorg driver? |
| 14:25.39 | pumphaus | Half-Left: I read that as well, but I can only confirm the systray stuff.. the rest works extremely well |
| 14:26.04 | lilltiger | radeonhd, dident try it that much, it workt but dident feel smooth |
| 14:26.22 | Half-Left | Systray has nothing to do with the drivers, it's the spec and gtk apps |
| 14:26.39 | lilltiger | Half-Left: I bet adymo forgot to att the nvidia-settings params or dident run 177.80 |
| 14:26.50 | pumphaus | well, all the kde4 apps have a screwed background as well |
| 14:26.50 | Half-Left | It's lucky you get non corrupted systray icons |
| 14:27.08 | lilltiger | eaven thought he says he used em.. never trust anyone :p |
| 14:27.40 | Half-Left | lilltiger: No he said he ran all the setting and options |
| 14:27.59 | Half-Left | It's the IPP thats the problem |
| 14:28.34 | Half-Left | IPP=1,2 produce different effects both on slow on something in KDE4 |
| 14:28.41 | Half-Left | are* |
| 14:29.01 | lilltiger | The only issue I have wih the nvidia drivers is that somes i get graphical artifacts when watching a movie, but that only happenswhen the system is low on memory (might not at all be related to the drivers..) |
| 14:29.02 | Half-Left | IPP=1 is slow with plasma, terrible |
| 14:29.07 | lilltiger | hmm strange |
| 14:29.16 | lilltiger | for my it's extreamly smooth |
| 14:29.22 | Half-Left | IPP=2 is much better but scrolling in apps is sluggish |
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| 14:29.59 | lilltiger | and no scrolling issues except on some hmepages, but i think thats an js issue |
| 14:30.14 | Half-Left | lilltiger: Yer thats the problem, meaning it's not fixed and works for most, turning IPP=0 here crashes kwin |
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| 14:30.29 | Half-Left | Try amarok2 |
| 14:30.55 | Half-Left | nv driver is still way better in that respect |
| 14:31.42 | lilltiger | hmm dont have amarok installed but juk works nicely when i scoll |
| 14:31.44 | Half-Left | lilltiger: What card so you have? |
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| 14:31.52 | Half-Left | do* |
| 14:31.58 | lilltiger | gf 8800GTS |
| 14:32.02 | lilltiger | 512 MB |
| 14:32.18 | Half-Left | Ahhh well, I bet the fixes work better for 8/9 series |
| 14:32.39 | Half-Left | Since you have glyphcache |
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| 14:33.49 | lilltiger | isent 8600 the 8 series? |
| 14:34.04 | pbm | what with kde forum? it works? i see only blank page.. :| |
| 14:34.09 | Half-Left | Sure |
| 14:34.16 | Half-Left | I'm talking about me though |
| 14:34.20 | lilltiger | hh :) |
| 14:34.25 | Half-Left | I have a 7800GTX |
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| 14:35.19 | lilltiger | ahh, heard alot of mixed impressions from the 7 series, some claims that it works flawless others have alot of issues |
| 14:35.35 | jazka | scrolling is superslow for me on amarok 2 |
| 14:35.40 | jazka | with 9800 GT |
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| 14:35.51 | Half-Left | Exactlty, sounds to me like a lot of hacks to me it better in a short time |
| 14:36.30 | lilltiger | amarok2 version? |
| 14:36.39 | Half-Left | Scrolling in plasma with IPP=1 is barely usuable |
| 14:36.47 | Half-Left | Latest trunk |
| 14:36.55 | jazka | lilltiger: svn, maybe a few days old, I don't use it, I use 1.4, just tested |
| 14:37.45 | Half-Left | You would expect the 8/9 series now to get the best performance boosts because thats the cards they are selling and want to sell |
| 14:38.50 | Half-Left | It just so happens that only 8/9 series has glyphcache |
| 14:39.56 | lilltiger | dont have amarok2 trunk but tried 1.86, now scrolling slowness at all |
| 14:39.58 | lilltiger | no |
| 14:40.51 | lilltiger | jazka: which drivers and nvidia-settings are you using? |
| 14:41.30 | jazka | 177.80 |
| 14:41.45 | jazka | and all the tweaks |
| 14:41.54 | lilltiger | Half-Left: have you lookt at nvnew linux forum, might be something about it |
| 14:42.17 | Half-Left | Nope ,nothing |
| 14:42.47 | jazka | and without compositing and resizing konsole, the content lags badly behind |
| 14:42.51 | jazka | with compositing it's better |
| 14:42.56 | lilltiger | jazka: using the tweeks in xorg? |
| 14:43.00 | jazka | lilltiger: yes |
| 14:43.06 | lilltiger | then remove em and try |
| 14:43.13 | lilltiger | for me thoes just slowed things down |
| 14:43.27 | jazka | well it's okay for now, I don't use amarok2 so |
| 14:43.34 | jazka | I'll see next tiem I have to logout |
| 14:43.50 | Half-Left | Yer the xorg tweaks dont help much at all really |
| 14:44.15 | lilltiger | i lost like 50% or more performance when using em :) |
| 14:44.40 | jazka | hmm interesting |
| 14:44.48 | jazka | I'll comment them out and see on next logout |
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| 14:48.04 | lilltiger | Now they only need to fix so i can interact with applications in the cover view mode :p |
| 14:48.06 | Half-Left | CPU is upto 19% when scrolling in amaork2, IPP=2 |
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| 14:49.39 | lilltiger | got X cpu usage up to 46% when scrolling like an insane maniac up and down with the scrollwheel as fast as i could |
| 14:50.08 | lilltiger | normal scrolling an short peek at 3% |
| 14:50.58 | Half-Left | Dolphin is smooth but 11% CPU |
| 14:51.45 | Half-Left | Yer, the situation is still not good in my view |
| 14:52.17 | lilltiger | dolphin at 2% when scrolling |
| 14:52.23 | lilltiger | normaly |
| 14:52.30 | Half-Left | But kwin got optimized for 4.2 so that will help out |
| 14:52.56 | Half-Left | And IPP=2 does render some things proper |
| 14:53.04 | jad4 | I just noticed that when clicking on an application it says "Stating" |
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| 14:53.10 | jad4 | instead of "Starting" |
| 14:53.10 | Half-Left | Like the panel settings bar |
| 14:53.11 | jad4 | :) |
| 14:53.17 | lilltiger | qt 4.5 will also bring some optimizations |
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| 14:53.32 | jazka | Half-Left: does your X ever stop for like 5 seconds, when randomly clicking on the desktop |
| 14:53.38 | jad4 | lilltiger: kde 4.1 is on qt 4.3... |
| 14:53.39 | jazka | like everything freezes |
| 14:53.47 | slow | what is the best way to copy kde35 settings and data for kontact to 4.x? |
| 14:53.48 | jad4 | lilltiger: not even qt 4.4 yet |
| 14:54.11 | Half-Left | jazka: Nope, but Switching to IPP=0 does that and crashes kwin |
| 14:54.23 | lilltiger | jazka: that happens to me like once in a hour hen switching desktops for me.. |
| 14:54.26 | lilltiger | when |
| 14:54.27 | jazka | I get that all the time, with compositing enabled |
| 14:54.35 | jazka | if I right click on the desktop |
| 14:54.49 | Half-Left | Also logging out crashes kwin sometimes and I have to to a Ctl, Alt, delete |
| 14:55.25 | lilltiger | Half-Left: ctrl+alt+backspace just kills the xserver |
| 14:55.41 | Half-Left | lilltiger: Yer because it wont logout |
| 14:56.07 | Half-Left | It looks like it's going to than flashes back to the desktop with no kwin |
| 14:56.27 | lilltiger | delete restarts the computer i guess (different dists usesit differently, i have it deactivated) |
| 14:56.49 | Half-Left | erm |
| 14:56.51 | Half-Left | WTF |
| 14:57.11 | Half-Left | I mean Ctl, Alt, backspace |
| 14:57.14 | lilltiger | ;D |
| 14:57.20 | Half-Left | :p |
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| 14:57.30 | jazka | alt+sysrq+k :> |
| 14:58.01 | lilltiger | Or did you just reveal the truth! Half-Left uses windows! :p |
| 14:58.07 | jazka | lol |
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| 14:58.19 | Half-Left | muhahahaha |
| 14:58.37 | Half-Left | lilltiger: Shoot me now if I did |
| 14:59.12 | rakekniven | html mails in kmail. how to delete custom colors? |
| 14:59.33 | rakekniven | Adding works, but I have no idea how to delete them? |
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| 15:00.14 | lilltiger | I remeber back in the old days when i tried out the win 95 beta for the first time on my 486dx66 damn it lookt sweet and the multitasking was very impressive :) |
| 15:00.24 | lilltiger | but to play games one still had to use DOS :) |
| 15:00.55 | rakekniven | I found .kde/share/config/colors/Custom_Colors and can delete colors here. But that isn't userfriendly. |
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| 15:03.37 | BeerSerc | Is there anybode here who is actively developing the taskmanager widget? |
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| 15:05.31 | hyper_ch | BeerSerc: only passively :) |
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| 15:06.38 | SSJ_GZ | BeerSerc: If it's a dev question, try #plasma |
| 15:07.10 | BeerSerc | Ah OK. It is more a feature recommendation which I'd like to discuss, so I'll head for #plasma |
| 15:08.01 | Jucato | or http://bugs.kde.org (if it's not yet reported) |
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| 15:08.44 | BeerSerc | Jucato: I'd like to discuss it before I file a request. Maybe it is not possible at all or something ... |
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| 15:09.47 | thrashold | How do you download photos from a PTP camera in KDE 4.1? |
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| 15:10.06 | hyper_ch | what's aptp cam? |
| 15:10.14 | thrashold | Picture Transfer Protocol |
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| 15:10.44 | BeerSerc | thrashold: gtkam |
| 15:10.50 | hyper_ch | can't you just mount the mem card? |
| 15:11.01 | BeerSerc | hyper_ch: in PTP cams usually not |
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| 15:13.25 | thrashold | Thank you, BeerSerc, I'll be using this. hyper_ch, I don't have a card reader on this PC. Still does anyone know a way to access the camera directly from KDE? (In KDE 3 there was a kio slave, and I can't use digikam -- it's crashing on me) |
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| 15:16.22 | thrashold | BeerSerc: gtkam worked perfectly for me, thank you :) |
| 15:16.58 | Half-Left | Ugh, IDE and SATA still suck compared to SCSI independent cards, just had to say that :p |
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| 15:23.07 | skx | how to manually edit scoring rules in knode? the rule window of the rule I am trying to create doesn't fit on my screen |
| 15:23.18 | skx | it's too large and doesn't scroll |
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| 15:23.58 | pinotree | you can move any window by holding Alt and right-dragging it |
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| 15:25.17 | skx | so I should just drag it around? can't I edit the rule in some text editor? I tried scorefile in ~/.kde/apps/share/knode, but it's being overwritten every time I run knode |
| 15:25.37 | pinotree | better do it via gui, yes |
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| 15:26.14 | FFForever | how do i turn icons into icons and not widgets? |
| 15:26.23 | pinotree | use folderview |
| 15:26.28 | FFForever | how? |
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| 15:26.44 | pinotree | add a folderview on your desktop, and drag/add icons to it? |
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| 15:26.55 | FFForever | ... |
| 15:27.34 | FFForever | that is the best way??? |
| 15:27.37 | FFForever | really.... |
| 15:28.07 | skx | pinotree, ok, but GUI limits the number of conditions to 8 |
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| 15:28.13 | skx | pinotree, how do I get more? |
| 15:28.20 | Jucato | FFForever: that is the only way not to turn them in to widgets (until KDE 4.2, where you can make a folder view *the* desktop) |
| 15:28.23 | pinotree | skx: then it probably means you cannot add more than 8 rules |
| 15:28.41 | skx | pinotree, not 8 rules, 8 conditions within one rule |
| 15:28.43 | pinotree | even if you would add more by hand, the application would not use them |
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| 15:33.12 | Ralesk | nixternal: I remember you packaged the Skulpture theme for kubuntu, right? |
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| 15:45.51 | kdepepo | Ralesk, is there a problem with the package |
| 15:46.43 | Ralesk | nah :) |
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| 15:47.31 | Ralesk | just wanted to say thanks, that I didn't need to compile it :) |
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| 15:48.00 | kdepepo | Ralesk, ah yes, we owe him a lot :) |
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| 15:52.52 | Ralesk | and thanks to you for making it, too :) I just wish kde3 software would pick it up (not that at the moment gtk-qt-engine or whatchamacallit would be working but at least it exists) |
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| 15:57.34 | kdepepo | Ralesk, well, there is a big problem with Qt3 and Qt4 libraries loaded at the same time, so a bridge would need two processes. |
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| 16:06.25 | thinkgnu | can someone tell me what is this menu at the left side of desktop ? http://tinyurl.com/4hwm6k |
| 16:08.23 | SSJ_GZ | thinkgnu: A folderview, I think. |
| 16:08.26 | Jucato | thinkgnu: it's not a menu. it's just the folder view, with some icons, partly hidden from view |
| 16:08.51 | Ralesk | kdepepo: ah hmmm... I see |
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| 16:09.28 | thinkgnu | but what about it opacity ? |
| 16:09.40 | thinkgnu | can we have such thing with folder view ? |
| 16:09.53 | Jucato | it's just the plasma/desktop theme |
| 16:10.06 | Jucato | there are transparent plasma themes |
| 16:10.54 | SSJ_GZ | As the name suggests, this theme is Slim-Glow :) |
| 16:11.05 | thinkgnu | but it's transparency is different from others |
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| 16:11.37 | thinkgnu | oh , that's true |
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| 16:11.50 | thinkgnu | Slim-Glow is transparent |
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| 16:15.08 | thinkgnu | but how we can have applications in folder view ? (it seems it's not a panel) |
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| 16:17.12 | SSJ_GZ | thinkgnu: How do you mean? |
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| 16:17.54 | thinkgnu | SSJ_GZ: as you can see in the picture http://tinyurl.com/4hwm6k |
| 16:18.08 | thinkgnu | amarok for example is on folder view |
| 16:18.09 | SSJ_GZ | thinkgnu: Those are just desktop icons. |
| 16:18.36 | thinkgnu | eee |
| 16:18.37 | Simkin | anyone know if konversation has a join on kick option? |
| 16:18.40 | thinkgnu | ok |
| 16:18.40 | Simkin | i can't find it anywhere |
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| 16:31.23 | schuyler_ | anyone here that can help me? |
| 16:31.27 | BeerSerc | Hm. I just upgraded nvidia drivers to 177.80, and now the desktop effects dont work anymore and kwin crashes when I try to enable them. anything known about that? |
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| 16:33.42 | SSJ_GZ | schuyler_: What's the problem? |
| 16:33.55 | schuyler_ | i am trying to use my ntfs drive on KDE4 |
| 16:34.11 | thiago_home | bad idea |
| 16:34.11 | schuyler_ | but when i click on it, it just highlights for a second, then goes back to home |
| 16:34.13 | thiago_home | don't use NTFS |
| 16:34.20 | schuyler_ | i HAVE to get these files off |
| 16:34.26 | schuyler_ | it is an old hd |
| 16:34.26 | thiago_home | sure |
| 16:34.44 | thiago_home | make sure you mounted in read-only mode, you set umask properly |
| 16:34.47 | thiago_home | then copy everything off |
| 16:34.51 | thiago_home | from the command-line |
| 16:34.52 | schuyler_ | um |
| 16:34.53 | thiago_home | this is not a KDE task |
| 16:34.59 | schuyler_ | i didnt mount it |
| 16:35.01 | Ralesk | oh come on, NTFS is incomparably more robust than FAT32 :) |
| 16:35.06 | schuyler_ | first day with linux, idk what im doing |
| 16:35.26 | thiago_home | Ralesk: yes, and incomparably more obscure |
| 16:35.33 | boom1992 | schuyler_: check some good wiki how to mount ntfs-stuff or check your friendly distro-channel ;) |
| 16:35.40 | thiago_home | schuyler_: well, to use NTFS you have to know what you're doing |
| 16:35.44 | schuyler_ | :( |
| 16:35.45 | thiago_home | and we can't help you |
| 16:35.45 | gkiagia | schuyler_: not much a kde problem, ask your distro how to configure ntfs or ntfs-3g |
| 16:35.50 | thiago_home | please try your distribution's channel |
| 16:35.53 | thiago_home | they may have better tips |
| 16:35.59 | schuyler_ | ok |
| 16:36.03 | schuyler_ | ty |
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| 16:37.13 | lilltiger | use ntfs-3g the fuse driver for ntfs, there is auite much about it in the ubuntu forum and the gentoo wiki |
| 16:37.19 | lilltiger | quite |
| 16:37.36 | gkiagia | thiago_home: don't be so negative with ntfs. it's a pretty good option for external hdds nowadays |
| 16:37.48 | thiago_home | no, it isn't |
| 16:37.59 | lilltiger | gkiagia: no it's not, it's a crappy fs that shouldent be allowed to exsist at all |
| 16:38.03 | gkiagia | anything better? |
| 16:38.07 | thiago_home | Reiserfs with LUKS is a better option |
| 16:38.11 | Ralesk | um |
| 16:38.26 | Ralesk | try to use anything but ext2/3 with Windows |
| 16:38.34 | thiago_home | I don't care about Windows |
| 16:38.37 | schuyler_ | how do i execute a .diff file? |
| 16:38.44 | thiago_home | Windows people don't deserve to read my external HDs |
| 16:38.48 | thiago_home | schuyler_: you don't. They aren't executable. |
| 16:38.52 | schuyler_ | -_- |
| 16:38.53 | Ralesk | that's your problem, some people have to. |
| 16:38.56 | schuyler_ | then what do i do with it |
| 16:39.17 | thiago_home | Ralesk: my files are accessed by me alone. LUKS for encryption, a proper Linux filesystem for storing stuff. |
| 16:39.23 | thiago_home | Ralesk: *that* is a good solution. |
| 16:39.31 | thiago_home | schuyler_: why did you download it? |
| 16:39.50 | lilltiger | thiago_home: i prefere ext2 when using luks, so much faster then ext3/raiser (cos no journal doh..) |
| 16:39.55 | schuyler_ | what else would i do with it? |
| 16:40.07 | schuyler_ | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13568456/kubuntu_06_user_disk_mounting.diff |
| 16:40.10 | gkiagia | yeah, but for external drives, it is not easy a unix filesystem because first, you cannot access your files due to permission problems and second it doesn't work in windows |
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| 16:40.21 | thiago_home | lilltiger: good point. I hardly ever need a journal on an external HD. |
| 16:40.23 | Ralesk | well sure. I meant that some people have to move their own files between linux and Windows. heck, I have NTFS on my pendrive for exactly this reason: stable, robust file system, that can be read by any OS I want |
| 16:40.45 | schuyler_ | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13568456/kubuntu_06_user_disk_mounting.diff is the .diff file that i was told should fix this |
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| 16:40.51 | thiago_home | lilltiger: but ext2 will be a thing of the past in a few years, while my 300+ GB HDs won't |
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| 16:41.09 | SSJ_GZ | schuyler_: Applying diffs is going to be very hard going for someone on their first day of Linux, I fear :/ |
| 16:41.16 | schuyler_ | :S |
| 16:41.20 | thiago_home | Ralesk: well, unfortunately, NTFS cannot be read by any OS you want. |
| 16:41.23 | thiago_home | Ralesk: FAT can. |
| 16:41.30 | Ralesk | schuyler_: diff files can be "executed" with the program called patch. "man patch" should tell you more. but whatever SSJ_GZ said is quite spot on |
| 16:41.35 | Hairyplotter | does anybody know how to disable the taskbar tooltips in kde 4 ? |
| 16:41.45 | Ralesk | FAT breaks way too easily :( |
| 16:41.45 | thiago_home | schuyler_: download the source code where that patch applies first. |
| 16:41.53 | lilltiger | thiago_home: true, a bit sad that the newer fs's performe so bad with luks |
| 16:42.01 | thiago_home | schuyler_: then use the patch instructions from wherever you got the patch file from, then build it. |
| 16:42.05 | schuyler_ | >.< |
| 16:42.15 | thiago_home | lilltiger: it doesn't perform badly. |
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| 16:43.29 | schuyler_ | im starting to think maybe KDE4 wasnt the best choice |
| 16:43.37 | lilltiger | thiago_home: I get only 5MB throughtput from an dm_crypt 2048-bit serpent drive compared to 30MB+ without |
| 16:43.55 | Ralesk | umm, schuyler_, your problems don't have anything to do with KDE really |
| 16:44.00 | lilltiger | with ext2 i get around 10MB throughtput |
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| 16:44.19 | Ralesk | what distro are you on, by the way? |
| 16:44.20 | FFForever | how come i have files on my desktop but i don't see them? |
| 16:44.28 | blendtux | hi everybody, i was wondering if its already possible with kde 4.1.2 to have different icons on different virtual desktops |
| 16:44.32 | FFForever | i see them in the terminal... |
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| 16:45.01 | gkiagia | blendtux: no, only in kde 4.2 |
| 16:45.09 | Ralesk | FFForever: plasma doesn't display icons on the desktop -- try to add a FolderView plasmoid and point it to your desktop folder |
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| 16:45.23 | blendtux | ah oke, gkiagia |
| 16:45.42 | schuyler_ | i just downloaded afuse, maybe that will help |
| 16:46.05 | Ralesk | schuyler_: what distro are you using? |
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| 16:46.20 | schuyler_ | Kubuntu |
| 16:46.26 | Ralesk | arright |
| 16:46.38 | lilltiger | schuyler_: you will have to install the modlues, make sure your kernel support em and so one.. your #distro should know how to get fuse+ntfs to work for your distro (it has nothing to do with kde) |
| 16:46.46 | Ralesk | #kubuntu-kde4 might be a better idea to go to |
| 16:47.06 | schuyler_ | thanks |
| 16:47.08 | Ralesk | Kubuntu includes ntfs-3g by default |
| 16:47.15 | Ralesk | so there's no need to install anything |
| 16:47.30 | schuyler_ | well... it WILL NOT open the drive i have plugged in :( |
| 16:48.05 | Ralesk | chances are you unplugged your drive without unmounting it, and therefore it's having trouble mounting it |
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| 16:57.16 | ctux | hello |
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| 16:58.52 | cryingtux | how can i add "my computer" to desktop and panel on kde 4.1.2 ? |
| 16:59.16 | cryingtux | its always a long route going to my drives via dolphin |
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| 17:00.04 | gkiagia | there is no "my computer" thing in kde |
| 17:00.20 | cryingtux | "storage media" |
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| 17:00.40 | gkiagia | storage media was there in kde 3.5, I am not sure if it is there in kde4 |
| 17:00.48 | Ralesk | I guess you could try to add a FolderView that points to media:/ |
| 17:00.58 | cryingtux | there was a "my computer" thing on my desktop but it did not work so i deleted the icon |
| 17:01.01 | Ralesk | dunno if FV supports that though, I don't use KDE4 myself. |
| 17:01.23 | gkiagia | media:/ doesn't seem to exist in kde4 |
| 17:01.30 | Ralesk | gah. |
| 17:01.49 | cryingtux | so it means dolphin is the only way to get to my drives |
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| 17:03.21 | gkiagia | if they are external drives, they can also be accessed by the device notifier plasmoid |
| 17:03.31 | schuyler_ | IT WORKED :DDDDDD |
| 17:03.35 | schuyler_ | THANKS! |
| 17:03.51 | gkiagia | if they are internal drives, you could just add some icons on the desktop pointing to their mountpoints |
| 17:03.51 | cryingtux | gkiagia: yep thats there |
| 17:05.46 | Ralesk | schuyler_: great :) |
| 17:05.54 | schuyler_ | thanks |
| 17:06.13 | cryingtux | current kde 4 version is doing fine except few things |
| 17:06.49 | schuyler_ | now to work on getting this game to launch xD |
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| 17:09.59 | junkDawgie | gkiagia: this opensuse11/kde4.1 machine i am using does have a myComputer icon that calls up konq with an address of "sysinfo:/" |
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| 17:10.53 | gkiagia | junkDawgie: sysinfo:/ is not part of kde |
| 17:11.02 | junkDawgie | understood |
| 17:11.05 | gkiagia | it is 3rdparty |
| 17:12.18 | thiago_home | playground/base actually |
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| 17:12.30 | gkiagia | ah, nice |
| 17:12.41 | cryingtux | gkiagia: im on kubuntu, can i get this third party sysinfo:/ for my desktop? |
| 17:12.46 | thiago_home | sure |
| 17:12.47 | junkDawgie | it was part of the kde4.0.4 release too |
| 17:12.55 | cryingtux | never used suse so dont know where it comes from |
| 17:12.56 | thiago_home | it's in playground/base |
| 17:12.57 | thiago_home | compile it there |
| 17:13.27 | gkiagia | or ask kubuntu if there is a package for it |
| 17:13.55 | cryingtux | i will try |
| 17:13.57 | thiago_home | junkDawgie: according to the SVN log for sysinfo, no, it wasn't part of the 4.0.4 release. |
| 17:14.44 | junkDawgie | prolly just included by the distro... |
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| 17:14.54 | thiago_home | yes |
| 17:15.05 | thecroesus | pls where is konq bug day happenin |
| 17:15.27 | gkiagia | thecroesus: #kde-bugs |
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| 17:15.41 | thecroesus | ok thanks |
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| 17:17.00 | cryingtux | some widgets are missing, when i try downloading from internet nothing comes |
| 17:17.27 | Teulu-Paul | Evening all - I am busy following the installation instructions to get 4.1 in, but I have hit a few issues. First of all, I had a compile failure on qca-ossl in the absence of qt4. qt4 was the next file to be installed! Anyway, I installed @qt-split. After having to do that twice due to absence of glib flag, I then proceeded with @kde4.1 again. Now it shows a block between media-sound/phonon-4.2.0 |
| 17:17.29 | Teulu-Paul | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.54 | thiago_home | no such thing as Phonon 4.4 |
| 17:18.00 | cryingtux | plasma workspace shows source? |
| 17:18.02 | thiago_home | the last version released is 4.2.2 |
| 17:18.12 | pinotree | Teulu-Paul: distro problems go to the distro channel, ie #gentoo-kde |
| 17:18.46 | Teulu-Paul | phonon-4.2.0, and qt-phonon-4.4.2 - I actually cut and pasted the names from the emerge output |
| 17:19.12 | Teulu-Paul | [blocks B ] media-sound/phonon ("media-sound/phonon" is blocking x11-libs/qt-phonon-4.4.2) |
| 17:19.14 | Teulu-Paul | [blocks B ] x11-libs/qt-phonon:4 ("x11-libs/qt-phonon:4" is blocking media-sound/phonon-4.2.0) |
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| 17:19.35 | pinotree | Teulu-Paul: #gentoo-kde please, we cannot help you about emerge stuff here |
| 17:20.10 | Teulu-Paul | I did post in the distro channel, but it is a bit quiet there. The comment there says go here if no response :-) |
| 17:20.27 | pinotree | the comment is moot, given that we cannot help about emerge |
| 17:20.56 | Teulu-Paul | OK - thanks anyway... |
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| 17:29.02 | gkiagia | cryingtux: downloading widgets from the internet using the related plasma dialog does not work. |
| 17:29.48 | cryingtux | gkiagia: thats true |
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| 17:43.44 | hyper_ch | anyone knows how to get rid of those annoying "preview popup" of the open applications in the taskbar/deskbar? |
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| 17:45.22 | HalphaZ | hello |
| 17:45.38 | HalphaZ | I've two problems with kde4 compiled from svn with kdesvn-build |
| 17:45.44 | HalphaZ | on hardy x86 |
| 17:46.47 | tstaerk | hyper_ch, kpersonalizer |
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| 17:46.58 | HalphaZ | http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shothadh2.png |
| 17:47.16 | HalphaZ | In the image you can see that the system tray is corrupted |
| 17:47.33 | HalphaZ | and that the icons on the bar are not resized... |
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| 17:49.13 | HalphaZ | can you help me? |
| 17:49.17 | HalphaZ | is it a my problem? |
| 17:49.24 | HalphaZ | nvidia driver problem? |
| 17:49.26 | hyper_ch | tstaerk: what's that? |
| 17:51.22 | tstaerk | hyper_ch, a program to switch on or off "preview popup" |
| 17:51.48 | hyper_ch | tstaerk: and it's contained in what package? |
| 17:52.37 | tstaerk | kdebase |
| 17:53.16 | hyper_ch | tstaerk: can't find any such program |
| 17:53.26 | tstaerk | kdebase 3.5.x |
| 17:53.32 | hyper_ch | I'm on kde4 |
| 17:53.51 | tstaerk | this release was only published to confuse the russians |
| 17:53.54 | gkiagia | hyper_ch: it should be an option in kwin's effects dialog |
| 17:54.04 | hyper_ch | gkiagia: I turned off all effects |
| 17:54.22 | gkiagia | and you get a preview on the taskbar? |
| 17:54.28 | gkiagia | how is that possible? |
| 17:54.32 | hyper_ch | gkiagia: I still get the popup |
| 17:54.40 | hyper_ch | gkiagia: of what the aplication is aso.... |
| 17:54.49 | hyper_ch | gkiagia: not the preview pic anymore, but still that annoying popup |
| 17:55.43 | gkiagia | ah only the popup... |
| 17:55.48 | gkiagia | what kde version is that? |
| 17:55.54 | gkiagia | I don't get any popup here |
| 17:55.55 | hyper_ch | gkiagia: 4.1.2 |
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| 17:56.47 | gkiagia | 4.1.2 here too |
| 17:56.50 | gkiagia | no popups |
| 17:56.58 | gkiagia | so I guess this can close, but I've no idea how |
| 17:57.29 | hyper_ch | gkiagia: http://www.sjau.ch/popup.png |
| 17:58.08 | gkiagia | yeah |
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| 18:09.38 | BeerSerc | My Okular always rewrites its okularrc file with stupid windowsizes. I cant get it to stay in fullscreen mode |
| 18:10.05 | pinotree | okular does not write anything on its own, but kdelibs' stuff does |
| 18:10.35 | pinotree | most probably another case of bug #150772 |
| 18:11.07 | BeerSerc | hm, when I change the rc file manually, then once it does it correctly, but when I close it again, the file changes to the default values |
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| 18:12.10 | BeerSerc | pinotree: ah OK, but it seems this is exactly the behaviour described in the bug |
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| 18:12.36 | pinotree | that's why i pointed you at it: already known kdelibs issue |
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| 18:13.01 | BeerSerc | kk thx |
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| 18:40.41 | Silouck | isnt possible to build/install ktorrent-3.1.3 for kde-3.5.9 ? |
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| 18:42.41 | thiago_home | Silouck: yes |
| 18:42.46 | thiago_home | KDE 4 applications run fine on KDE 3 |
| 18:43.14 | Silouck | thiago: but it will need kde4 to build? |
| 18:43.20 | gkiagia | yes |
| 18:43.22 | thiago_home | no |
| 18:43.26 | thiago_home | just kdelibs |
| 18:43.27 | gkiagia | kde4libs |
| 18:43.31 | gkiagia | :) |
| 18:43.37 | thiago_home | and you need to install the kdebase runtime as well |
| 18:43.43 | Silouck | so it needs kde4 |
| 18:43.49 | thiago_home | no |
| 18:43.54 | thiago_home | it needs kdelibs and the runtime only |
| 18:44.04 | Silouck | but its kde4 |
| 18:44.07 | thiago_home | yes |
| 18:44.16 | thiago_home | but it doesn't need the workspace or the other applications |
| 18:44.19 | Silouck | and it will need to be installed in the kde4 paths |
| 18:44.27 | thiago_home | no, it can be installed anywhere |
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| 18:45.24 | Silouck | thiago_home: y3es i got it, thanks |
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| 18:53.12 | KTL | in kde4 the alt-f2 thing: the calculator for it does not seem to work? |
| 18:53.32 | _RedGhostBis_ | KTL: try =3+4 |
| 18:53.43 | KTL | aha the = |
| 18:53.45 | KTL | thanks :) |
| 18:53.54 | _RedGhostBis_ | found out by accident :) |
| 18:54.11 | KTL | a good accident |
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| 18:55.54 | _RedGhostBis_ | KTL: yep - though I don't really use it |
| 18:56.06 | _RedGhostBis_ | but it's an alternative to bc |
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| 18:56.46 | gkiagia | what are .skz files? |
| 18:57.17 | KTL | maybe ... superkaramba zipped? |
| 18:57.17 | kdepepo | superkaramba |
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| 19:00.29 | KTL | gkiagia, no need to unzip them, kde4 handles it for you |
| 19:00.46 | gkiagia | are superkaramba widgets supposed to work with plasma? |
| 19:01.04 | gkiagia | they don't work here... |
| 19:01.33 | KTL | add new widgets > install new widgets > install from file > superkaramba |
| 19:01.37 | KTL | i did it like that iirc |
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| 19:01.52 | gkiagia | that's what I did too |
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| 19:03.17 | gkiagia | hm, broken widget |
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| 19:08.06 | Half-Left | looks around |
| 19:08.20 | Half-Left | gkiagia: Work here |
| 19:08.26 | _RedGhostBis_ | anyone knows of an mpc client working with 4.1.2 |
| 19:08.31 | gkiagia | yeah, works for me too now |
| 19:08.36 | gkiagia | it was a broken widget |
| 19:08.39 | Half-Left | haha |
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| 19:16.38 | thesource | hi i just installed sabayone andi cant find the new kde any ideas |
| 19:17.29 | gkiagia | thesource: #sabayon |
| 19:18.41 | thesource | notingtowith that i need the new kde |
| 19:19.33 | gkiagia | ? |
| 19:21.20 | Rasi | thesource: your distribution is responsible for new packages |
| 19:21.27 | Rasi | otherwise you need to compile it |
| 19:21.47 | Rasi | which you should be able to do, otherwise you surely wouldnt have chosen a gentoo based distribution :P |
| 19:22.11 | Rasi | but gentoo has 4.1.2 ebuilds now, so it shouldnt be much of a problem |
| 19:23.20 | thesource | yaa |
| 19:23.36 | thesource | but they mask is cose i tnot stable |
| 19:23.44 | BeerSerc | gentoo's svn ebuilds also work really well |
| 19:24.09 | BeerSerc | thesource: it is masked because it is testing, not because it is not stable |
| 19:24.29 | BeerSerc | (4.1) ~4.1.2 |
| 19:24.34 | BeerSerc | ~ does not mean unstable |
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| 19:25.35 | thesource | how much testing it need |
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| 19:26.47 | lilltiger | i doubt that 4.1 will get unmasked at all, they will probly go for 4.2 |
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| 19:30.09 | BeerSerc | lilltiger: right, that what I think, too. I have tried rc - 4.1.2, and now I am on svn, and this is the first time it really works |
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| 19:31.03 | lilltiger | BeerSerc: well gentoo have had issues with it, for me it has worked ok since 4.1.0 |
| 19:32.14 | BeerSerc | lilltiger: it was not the stability, just features. I need an autohiding taskbar on top, with 2 rows of tasks, and no task manager on the bottom. that was not possible |
| 19:32.25 | hyper_ch | http://www.scmagazineuk.com/WiFi-is-no-longer-a-viable-secure-connection/article/119294/ |
| 19:34.30 | lilltiger | hyper_ch: bah, bullshit, just use good passwords |
| 19:35.53 | Ralesk | lilltiger: your password has nothing to do with your communication's key size :) |
| 19:36.26 | lilltiger | Ralesk: wasent it bruteforce password cracking? |
| 19:36.52 | Ralesk | "brute force decryption of WiFi signals", at least according to the article |
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| 19:38.14 | lilltiger | yes and to attack the keys you need some algorithm, or do they mean that they attack it by randomly guessing key pairs and tries to decrypt? |
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| 19:40.08 | Ralesk | I don't know :) |
| 19:40.50 | Ralesk | 2^256 possible keys, hmm.. |
| 19:41.45 | Ralesk | shrugs |
| 19:42.02 | Half-Left | I went back to ethernet anyway :p |
| 19:42.03 | lilltiger | exactly.. and so that 10000 times faster is still quite meny years |
| 19:42.16 | Ralesk | If you use Wireless for sensitive data and don't encrypt it yourself (for example with a VPN, SSL essentially), then you're a moron anyway :))) |
| 19:42.40 | lilltiger | 2048-bit serpent :p |
| 19:42.43 | Ralesk | mmm, old trusty Ethernet :) |
| 19:43.03 | Half-Left | Yep, all 20 meters of it :p |
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| 19:43.51 | lilltiger | i run wireless unprotected.. it's not like anyone could reatch it anyway :) |
| 19:44.36 | Ralesk | I have a cable from my router to my room that is about 12 metres and goes under and behind a few wardrobes... works fine :) |
| 19:44.58 | Ralesk | lilltiger: security through living-in-the-middle-of-nowhere? :D |
| 19:45.02 | Half-Left | Same here but nicely hidden under the carpet |
| 19:45.06 | Half-Left | But anyway |
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| 19:47.04 | lilltiger | Ralesk: yepp ;D |
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| 19:52.44 | grufti | how do i take advantage of strigi? is there actually a client? |
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| 19:54.09 | grufti | i dont find no single howto on configuring strigi |
| 19:54.17 | grufti | (kde 4.1 |
| 19:54.19 | grufti | ) |
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| 19:58.40 | Half-Left | grufti: Not feature full in KDE4, you can use strigiclient |
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| 20:00.47 | Half-Left | grufti: As I understand it's used different in KDE4.x, rather than a desktop search, it's use by apps for searching files |
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| 20:05.24 | grufti | ok, strigiclient doesnt seem to work for me though |
| 20:06.08 | grufti | simply nothing happens when i press the buttons. i not sure wether strigi is running at all |
| 20:06.11 | grufti | but it should be |
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| 20:31.17 | robbins61 | Anyone familiar with K3B? Is there a way to set layer-breaks for dual-layer DVDs? |
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| 20:33.18 | sputnick | hi there |
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| 20:34.54 | sputnick | is anybody knows what's the way I can ask konqueror to open pelldocs pages of perl in french like when I type "perldoc -L FR foo" ? in konqueror it's : "#foo" |
| 20:35.16 | BlueG | speaking of ethernet... I thought ethernet got speeds up to 100MB/s, but my scp transfers over hardwired ethernet connection through my Linksys WRT54G only reach hundreds of KB/s... that seems pretty slow, why is that? |
| 20:35.17 | pinotree | #foo is for manpages |
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| 20:38.11 | spectral | is it possible to get tooltips in the task bar of kde4? |
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| 20:43.57 | Novell | BlueG: 100MB/s requires Gbit-ports on the switch and Gbit NICs in the computers |
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| 20:48.53 | lilltiger | BlueG: also your router may not have that high throught put, if it's an 10Mbit router it can ratach 1.25MB/sec as top |
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| 20:49.13 | punraz | hello, metadata in dolphin is gone, or is there any way to access it like in kde 3.5? |
| 20:49.44 | lilltiger | Novell: few gigabit cards/routers has that high throughtput eaven thought the claim to be gigabit :( |
| 20:51.29 | Novell | BlueG: and scp is encrypted, so it depends on how fast your machines can encrypt and decrypt the data |
| 20:51.40 | Novell | and how fast disks you have |
| 20:51.55 | Novell | I usually get around 20-25MB/s on my Lenovo X61s |
| 20:52.04 | Novell | if it's big files |
| 20:52.35 | Novell | lilltiger: our computers at work have it |
| 20:52.39 | Novell | and also our HP-switches |
| 20:52.50 | Novell | but we all have X61s |
| 20:53.38 | Novell | we got 980Mbit/s when we tested with Ixia |
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| 20:55.48 | FFForever | how do i remove 24 hour clock? |
| 20:55.52 | FFForever | and make it 12 |
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| 20:57.45 | punraz | FFForever: hello, that would be under systemsettings -> country/language and such... |
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| 20:58.21 | FFForever | how do i get to system settings i am on the classic menu |
| 20:58.44 | lilltiger | Novell: nice, althought 960 isent 1000, imo the limits should be set after the actual average of throughtput.. wireless is the worse.. claiming 300Mbit but averages below 54Mbit.. |
| 20:59.13 | BlueG | ahhh, I didn't catch the megabit/megabyte thing... that certainly makes a difference. I wonder would the encryption be the limiting factor... I think all devices involved are Gbit... |
| 20:59.20 | Novell | lilltiger: we got pretty good test results for 802.11n |
| 20:59.23 | punraz | FFForever: look for it... |
| 20:59.40 | Novell | lilltiger: 980 is pretty close to 1000 |
| 21:00.07 | Novell | lilltiger: and using average wouldn't work |
| 21:00.08 | Ranguvar | Question :) Using KDE 4.1.2. I've set Firefox as my default web browser, and the default app to open HTML files. However, clicking a web link in a KDE app (Konversation, the link at the top-right of Kicker, etc.), while it does open Firefox, also seems to try to open Konqueror. The bouncing icon for Konqueror loading shows, and Konqueror appears in the task manager, but then goes away after ten seconds or more. |
| 21:00.11 | Novell | average what ? |
| 21:00.17 | punraz | hello, is there any way / plugin to display one file's metadata (pdf,jpeg,avi and such) in dolphin? |
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| 21:01.25 | SSJ_GZ | punraz: f11 |
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| 21:02.20 | Novell | BlueG: check CPU usage on both sides when transfering a large file |
| 21:02.58 | punraz | SSJ_GZ: erm, yeah, but konqueror showed for example iptc fields of jpeg files (whitebalance, camera model and such)! |
| 21:03.40 | SSJ_GZ | punraz: Ah, I see. I'll ask Peter next time I speak to him, although I'm guessing it happens somewhere lower in the stack. |
| 21:04.15 | Novell | lilltiger: iirc, we got around 150-180Mbit on 802.11n |
| 21:04.37 | Novell | Point-to-Point |
| 21:04.49 | punraz | SSJ_GZ: the 'somewhere lower in stack' part I dont get. Should dolphin show more information, or is it a missing feature? |
| 21:06.19 | SSJ_GZ | punraz: Dolphin get's it's information from kdelibs |
| 21:06.43 | lilltiger | Novell: mm probly good equiptment not netgear crap :) |
| 21:07.19 | SSJ_GZ | punraz: It's either a) getting the info but not showing it or b) not being provided with the information in the first place. I'll have to find out which. |
| 21:07.28 | Novell | lilltiger: 2xCisco 1250 |
| 21:08.05 | lilltiger | Novell: I wish I could afford that :) |
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| 21:09.21 | punraz | SSJ_GZ: ok, so dolphin is supposed to show the metadata but it isnt? |
| 21:09.40 | SSJ_GZ | punraz: I presume so, yes. |
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| 21:27.50 | Hiryu | I have a dual monitor setup where each monitor has its own indepedent desktop. One screen is a widescreen TV, the other is a standard VGA monitor... problem is that KDE is giving me a 16:9 aspect ratio on both screens, including my standard PC monitor (which is 4:3) causing the bottom of my screen to be cut off |
| 21:28.56 | Hiryu | anyone know how to keep KDE from cutting off my screen? It's a kde issue as it didn't happen with an older 3.5 release (I forgot which) nor other window managers |
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| 21:32.38 | brun0_|laptop | hello |
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| 21:32.49 | brun0_|laptop | how can i make strigi run |
| 21:33.13 | brun0_|laptop | the checkbox in the config stays unchecked when I restart the config panel |
| 21:34.40 | Hiryu | heh, I can even move my mouse into the cut off area of the screen, how weird |
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| 21:43.48 | woodefec | hi, yakuake doesnt keep my profiles |
| 21:44.08 | woodefec | version2.9.4, KDE 4.1.2 |
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| 21:45.49 | woodefec | and apart from that, KDE 4.1.2 is pretty pretty... core apps are doing a good job. |
| 21:46.07 | woodefec | thank you |
| 21:46.10 | woodefec | bye |
| 21:46.21 | Hiryu | why is kde preserving the same aspect across both monitors? |
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| 22:07.55 | Hiryu | no one's doing monitor with an HDTV? |
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| 22:19.40 | MadneX | why k3b it's not longer at kde 4 ??(at least on slackware) there is any substitute for that??? |
| 22:19.53 | funky | 'lo |
| 22:20.32 | _RedGhostBis_ | MadneX: k3b is being ported to kde4, I believe |
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| 22:28.43 | MHz128 | hi guys |
| 22:29.26 | MHz128 | Just installed KDE4 with Fedora 9... can't adjust font sizes correctly... some are SUPER small, other are really large... whats with the inconsisten font sizing? |
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| 22:33.02 | Ralesk | MHz128: better ask your distro :) |
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| 22:33.52 | MHz128 | nah, its deffinately KDE |
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| 22:36.01 | geenome | KDE is amazing but is it just me or is there an issue with arK the archival program it seems to crash with certain types of archives is there a fix for this? |
| 22:37.39 | Jucato | MHz128: how are you sure it's KDE's default settings and not your distro's? |
| 22:37.52 | Ralesk | MHz128: well, KDE4 doesn't do it here, and I'm on Kubuntu... |
| 22:38.02 | MHz128 | because the same thing happened with a nother distro |
| 22:38.07 | geenome | idk it is Ubuntu minimal cd with sudo apt-get install KDE |
| 22:38.36 | geenome | I might try out debian |
| 22:39.16 | Jucato | definitely not in here and in Kubuntu. the default font sizes don't go below 8 or above 10 |
| 22:39.27 | MHz128 | weird |
| 22:39.49 | MHz128 | is it possible to adjust individual sizes? like the Title Bars and Taskbar icons? |
| 22:39.59 | MHz128 | or the 'start' menu sizes? |
| 22:40.00 | pinotree | systemsettings â look â fonts |
| 22:40.07 | Ralesk | of course |
| 22:40.07 | Jucato | System Settings -> Appearance -> |
| 22:40.36 | geenome | I think I am ready to move onto more technical Linuxes that dont hold my hand because I am sick of not knowing how to fix anything is Debian good for this? |
| 22:40.41 | Jucato | if your fonts are within that range but look too small or too big, then I'm guessing it's actually a display problem on your end |
| 22:41.05 | geenome | or should I try Gentoo or an RPM based distro |
| 22:41.23 | DrEeevil | geenome: try it and see |
| 22:41.38 | MHz128 | Jucato: ok, i am able to change system font sizes... Firefox application font is still too small... |
| 22:41.44 | DrEeevil | geenome: just be aware that gentoo might scare you a lot :) |
| 22:41.54 | MHz128 | ie. Firefox is uneffected by KDE settings |
| 22:41.56 | Jucato | MHz128: Firefox is not a KDE app |
| 22:42.02 | MHz128 | i understand |
| 22:44.11 | Ralesk | geenome: RPM based distros have become quite decent in terms of package management lately, so you could switch if you wanted. Debian has a tendency to provide disturbingly old software, so you're probably better off staying on Ubuntu if you want something like debian. There's not too much difference. |
| 22:44.45 | Jucato | please keep distribution-related discussions in #kde-chat |
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| 22:46.52 | geenome | I will dump firefox when chrome becomes available |
| 22:47.03 | geenome | I cant wait to have a good webkit browser |
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| 22:48.38 | Hail_Spacecake | when will having differnet desktop backgrounds for each virtual desktop be supported again in kde4? |
| 22:48.43 | MHz128 | what is chrome? |
| 22:49.26 | geenome | google chrome |
| 22:49.33 | geenome | google's webbrowser |
| 22:49.51 | geenome | based off konquer's webkit |
| 22:49.59 | Hail_Spacecake | also, there's an amarok dialogue box that doesn't fit on my 1024x600 screen |
| 22:50.05 | drantin | crossover has a version using winelib out |
| 22:50.08 | Hail_Spacecake | the bottom with the ok button sticks below the edge |
| 22:50.13 | Jucato | it's not "konqueror's webkit" |
| 22:50.14 | Ralesk | Hail_Spacecake: tell them in #amarok :) |
| 22:50.15 | Hail_Spacecake | how can i move the box so I can click the okay button? |
| 22:50.20 | geenome | yeah I am not a fan of wine or crossover |
| 22:50.20 | MHz128 | is it better than Firefox? |
| 22:50.25 | geenome | imho yes |
| 22:50.32 | Hail_Spacecake | that's a wm question, not an amarok-specific one |
| 22:50.36 | Ralesk | Hail_Spacecake: press Alt and click-drag anywhere in window |
| 22:50.37 | drantin | at least winelib won't require a wine install to work |
| 22:50.45 | Hail_Spacecake | thanks |
| 22:51.04 | Jucato | geenome: it's not "konqueror's webkit". |
| 22:51.09 | Ralesk | Hail: well, if it's too big, maybe they need to pay more attention to dialog sized |
| 22:51.20 | Jucato | chrome, firefox, whatnot discussion --> #kde-chat |
| 22:51.35 | geenome | sure it is it is the same one safari uses |
| 22:52.03 | Ralesk | geenome: safari uses webkit, konqueror uses khtml |
| 22:52.04 | Jucato | geenome: konqueror doesn't have a "webkit". it has KHTML. webkit is Apple's *fork* of KHTML |
| 22:52.06 | geenome | yes lets take it over there because this is logged |
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| 23:06.52 | soulsurfer | hey does anyone have any experience with kde kiosk admin? |
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| 23:32.50 | what_if | need help. I accidentally deleted the kde4 application launcher widget. figured out how to get it back, but now how do I configure it to look like it used to |
| 23:33.02 | what_if | it was black before, is bright white noe |
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| 23:33.04 | what_if | *now |
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| 23:34.23 | nogagplz | I don't understand "kdelibs requires an out of source build. Please create a seperate build directory and run 'cmake path_to_kdelibs [options' there." It seems blatantly obvious, and I know the answer is staring me in the face, but I just can't think >> can somebody give a bit of help please? |
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| 23:35.20 | Hailsematary | a question about kpdf |
| 23:35.30 | Hailsematary | how to print 4 pages of pdf in a single sheet? |
| 23:35.42 | nogagplz | argh, nevermind. it suddenly clicked |
| 23:35.42 | Hailsematary | I can set it from settings of kpdf |
| 23:35.45 | nogagplz | feels embarassed |
| 23:35.54 | Hailsematary | but the order is somewhat different |
| 23:36.04 | pinotree | file â print â properties â pages per sheet |
| 23:36.12 | Hailsematary | pinotree: yep I did that one |
| 23:36.18 | Hailsematary | but my problem seems like this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=749005 |
| 23:36.46 | Hailsematary | order of pages is somewhat irrelevant |
| 23:37.05 | Hailsematary | I mean I would like to see the first page at the left top of my landscape sheet |
| 23:37.40 | Hailsematary | but it's at the right upper part of my sheet |
| 23:38.17 | Hailsematary | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=749005 the link here tells that cups command would be set to another value |
| 23:38.22 | Hailsematary | http://lglinux.blogspot.com/2007/09/printing-multiple-pages-per-sheet.html |
| 23:38.31 | Hailsematary | for CUPS options |
| 23:38.37 | Hailsematary | landscape |
| 23:38.38 | Hailsematary | -o number-up=4 -o number-up-layout=btlr |
| 23:38.50 | Hailsematary | but to where should I write that arguments? |
| 23:41.04 | Hailsematary | the question should be regardless of kde |
| 23:41.10 | Hailsematary | it should be related to cups I think |
| 23:41.21 | Hailsematary | anyway, any kind of comments about the situation is appreciated |
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| 23:49.59 | oget | Hey, I turned on the "Show Paint" desktop effect about a month ago for about 1 minute, then I turned it off. But still some windows show remnants of this effect althoug it was turned off for a month now. |
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| 23:50.25 | oget | I regret that I ever turned it on. Is there a way of turning it off for good? |
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