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| 00:01.46 | avcde | hi |
| 00:02.10 | DaskreecH | hi |
| 00:02.26 | avcde | this is my 1st time on this channel |
| 00:02.33 | avcde | 367 ppl :) |
| 00:03.09 | avcde | any news on kde? |
| 00:03.51 | DaskreecH | Sure :) |
| 00:03.56 | DaskreecH | what news would you like? |
| 00:04.19 | avcde | i know there is many many news.. i meant relevevant news... like.. dunno |
| 00:04.34 | DaskreecH | Relevant to KDE or releavant to you? |
| 00:04.42 | avcde | not bug fixes or that kinda stuff |
| 00:04.44 | DaskreecH | Relevant to KDE you will probably not see for a few months |
| 00:04.46 | avcde | to KDE |
| 00:04.54 | DaskreecH | Ah well Akademy just finished |
| 00:05.07 | DaskreecH | which is always good as people come back refocused and clued in |
| 00:05.18 | DaskreecH | 4.2 is rolling along pretty well |
| 00:05.20 | avcde | akademy? dunno that app |
| 00:05.32 | avcde | u mean the code name to the latest release? |
| 00:05.39 | DaskreecH | avcde: It is the yearly KDE meeting |
| 00:05.45 | DaskreecH | Happened in Belgium |
| 00:05.58 | DaskreecH | You can read about it on http://dot.kde.org |
| 00:06.03 | avcde | sorry didnt know bout that |
| 00:06.13 | DaskreecH | or at http://akademy.kde.org |
| 00:06.19 | DaskreecH | avcde: Well then it's news! :) |
| 00:06.29 | avcde | yups:) |
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| 00:06.39 | avcde | ive been using this for some 5 years hehehe |
| 00:06.58 | DaskreecH | Should come to an akademy then :) |
| 00:06.58 | avcde | but only checked with linux meetings, although never attended one |
| 00:07.17 | avcde | i will like to, case i can afford it |
| 00:07.47 | avcde | i like the kind of freaks who are so and dont really care about comments made by 3rd |
| 00:08.25 | DaskreecH | tries to figure out that statement |
| 00:08.36 | aeight | :) |
| 00:09.20 | avcde | how is accomodation? anyone organizes it? or is that just like any other meeting.. you get there then see how its gonna be |
| 00:09.38 | avcde | daskreech i meant the general attitude of the ppl |
| 00:09.53 | avcde | no big deal on trying to make a difference |
| 00:10.08 | avcde | more about having fun and messing about |
| 00:10.12 | DaskreecH | Which people is what I was trying to figure out :) |
| 00:10.19 | DaskreecH | 3rd people ? |
| 00:10.37 | avcde | those who wouldnt even feel welcome if they went there |
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| 00:10.55 | DaskreecH | Ah So far I haven't found anyone not welcome :) |
| 00:11.01 | SharkMa-san | I hope plasma and desktop effects are better optimized in 4.2 |
| 00:11.08 | avcde | thats another piece of good news |
| 00:11.44 | SharkMa-san | had to disable desktop effects since it took too much resources |
| 00:12.18 | avcde | are u german daskreech? |
| 00:12.19 | avcde | bet so |
| 00:13.23 | DaskreecH | SharkMa-san: Why wouldn't they be? |
| 00:13.34 | DaskreecH | avcde: Not yet :) |
| 00:13.54 | avcde | yet??? plz unwrap that...:) |
| 00:13.59 | SharkMa-san | DaskreecH: well, 720p video lags badly in kde 4.1 when desktop effects are on |
| 00:14.15 | SharkMa-san | and the video generally runs better in kde3.x, even with compiz |
| 00:15.08 | DaskreecH | SharkMa-san: nvidia ? |
| 00:15.13 | SharkMa-san | yea |
| 00:15.17 | SharkMa-san | and no dual core |
| 00:15.31 | DaskreecH | avcde: I could become a citizen of any country : |
| 00:15.33 | DaskreecH | ;-) |
| 00:15.44 | DaskreecH | Except antartica. They don't return my phone calls |
| 00:15.45 | DaskreecH | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.53 | DaskreecH | SharkMa-san: Knock on their door |
| 00:15.59 | SharkMa-san | :P |
| 00:16.17 | avcde | ah a white bear is there to answer all calls |
| 00:16.23 | SharkMa-san | the only problem with plasma is that it tends to peak about 40-50% processor usage |
| 00:16.27 | SharkMa-san | once in a while |
| 00:16.46 | DaskreecH | Yeah I can't figure that out |
| 00:16.55 | DaskreecH | But it's much less than say firefox so I guess |
| 00:17.01 | SharkMa-san | :P |
| 00:17.34 | SharkMa-san | ... but, you can't turn plasma off, but you can close firefox |
| 00:17.44 | DaskreecH | I can turn plasma off :) |
| 00:18.24 | avcde | do like i do.. no HD tv |
| 00:18.44 | SharkMa-san | well, I can boot to kde 3.x anyway |
| 00:18.55 | DaskreecH | Used to turn plasma off all the time |
| 00:19.37 | avcde | i had some issues with the first version of debian 4 |
| 00:19.51 | avcde | some pre-compiled kernels wouldnt work that good |
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| 00:20.21 | avcde | and did the same.. put 3.1 back |
| 00:20.37 | SharkMa-san | and kde4 has quite serious problems with dual display configurations |
| 00:20.38 | SharkMa-san | :P |
| 00:20.55 | avcde | only after the 2nd release came out could i "trust" it |
| 00:20.58 | SharkMa-san | I hope those will be fixed soon |
| 00:21.46 | aeight | SharkMa-san: ditto |
| 00:21.47 | DaskreecH | SharkMa-san: Agreed |
| 00:21.56 | avcde | i didnt have that problem about dual configs |
| 00:22.03 | DaskreecH | If you like you can join the plasma team and test stuff |
| 00:22.05 | SharkMa-san | twinview is the only config I got to work properly |
| 00:22.12 | avcde | i have an ATI card and still need do it on the text terminal |
| 00:22.34 | SharkMa-san | separate x screens and xinerama failed bad |
| 00:22.53 | DaskreecH | sepeate X screens don't work at all I think |
| 00:22.58 | SharkMa-san | it does |
| 00:23.04 | SharkMa-san | I've used it with kde 3.x |
| 00:23.15 | SharkMa-san | but not with 4.x |
| 00:23.25 | DaskreecH | I meant in 4 |
| 00:23.28 | SharkMa-san | yea |
| 00:23.51 | SharkMa-san | just figured out what you meant :P |
| 00:24.02 | SharkMa-san | before you pointed it out |
| 00:24.17 | aeight | it works in 4.1 but you have to disable the desktop effects |
| 00:24.33 | SharkMa-san | desktop effects only works in twinview |
| 00:24.36 | SharkMa-san | at least with nvidia |
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| 00:25.26 | SharkMa-san | but the screensavers fail completely in twinview |
| 00:25.40 | SharkMa-san | unless you use xscreensaver instead of the kde one |
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| 00:27.42 | SharkMa-san | in kde screensaver, my config is just a one display |
| 00:27.43 | SharkMa-san | :P |
| 00:28.21 | SharkMa-san | xscreensaver realizes I have two |
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| 00:30.26 | DaskreecH | SharkMa-san: Join the plasma team |
| 00:30.45 | SharkMa-san | well, let me be straight |
| 00:30.53 | SharkMa-san | my friend works in a company as a coder |
| 00:31.01 | SharkMa-san | and he made a bugfix |
| 00:31.16 | SharkMa-san | and the reply from the team was "we don't want such amateur code" |
| 00:33.02 | DaskreecH | ha ha |
| 00:33.13 | DaskreecH | Did they point out which sections they didn't like? |
| 00:33.30 | SharkMa-san | they only said this is not the correct way to fix it |
| 00:34.19 | SharkMa-san | they didn't say what was wrong in the code |
| 00:34.27 | SharkMa-san | they just said the don't want amateur fixes |
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| 00:35.30 | SharkMa-san | I'm 100% sure he would've made the fix in the way they wanted, if they had pointed out how they wanted it to be done |
| 00:35.38 | SharkMa-san | instead of just bashing him |
| 00:36.52 | DaskreecH | SharkMa-san: Did he ask? |
| 00:36.57 | SharkMa-san | yes |
| 00:37.21 | DaskreecH | Hmm That doesn't sound at all like my experience with them |
| 00:37.28 | DaskreecH | Or any experience I've seen |
| 00:37.44 | DaskreecH | but in anycase I wasn't suggesting that you join as a coder but a tester |
| 00:38.16 | SharkMa-san | well, testing is something I'd be happy to help with anyway |
| 00:39.03 | DaskreecH | yeah They would like to get a lot of multidisplay problems sorted but they don't have the gear |
| 00:39.18 | DaskreecH | you seem to be pretty adept at multiple setups |
| 00:39.22 | SharkMa-san | well, my friend would have the skills to work on that |
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| 00:39.31 | DaskreecH | and smart enough to make good reports |
| 00:39.32 | SharkMa-san | but the problem is to get him to work on that |
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| 00:40.21 | DaskreecH | You cna join #plasma but I think that most of them are in planes trains and automobiles curenttly going home |
| 00:41.00 | DaskreecH | by Monday they should be in full swing again :) |
| 00:41.09 | DaskreecH | You can join now to see who is there and awake |
| 00:41.14 | SharkMa-san | well, I'm logged on 24/7 |
| 00:42.04 | DaskreecH | Sure thing :) |
| 00:42.18 | DaskreecH | avcde: Finished reading the dot? |
| 00:42.42 | SharkMa-san | it's not like I except to get reply now etc. :P |
| 00:49.25 | SharkMa-san | ... when I get Big Buck Bunny 1080p to run quite smoothly on kde4 on my comp, then it's fast enough ;) |
| 00:49.36 | DaskreecH | ... |
| 00:49.44 | DaskreecH | ah right I didn't get the 1080p one :) |
| 00:49.57 | DaskreecH | Course I have 1.2 Gnz Tbird |
| 00:50.00 | DaskreecH | Ghz |
| 00:50.23 | SharkMa-san | I have amd 64 3800+ and gf 7800 gtx |
| 00:51.21 | SharkMa-san | which is barely enough to run the 1080p version of BBB on kde 3.x |
| 00:51.25 | avcde | i was away daskreech.. which dot? |
| 00:51.25 | SharkMa-san | smoothly |
| 00:51.34 | DaskreecH | avcde: http://dot.kde.org |
| 00:52.11 | avcde | ah havent gone there yet.. was reading sth else, ive been trying to put some linux distro into my PDA |
| 00:52.22 | avcde | but i will check it out:) |
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| 00:56.13 | avcde | thanks for the tip daskreech. now i remember i already knew it but gave up the habit |
| 00:56.30 | avcde | too many stuffa and too little time now |
| 00:56.32 | avcde | ;) |
| 00:56.51 | DaskreecH | avcde: akregator!! |
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| 00:57.08 | avcde | do u know sth about linux into mobile devices? |
| 00:57.17 | avcde | ah the RSS feed? |
| 00:57.20 | DaskreecH | yes |
| 00:57.26 | avcde | gave it up as well |
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| 00:57.56 | DaskreecH | Ouch >_< |
| 00:58.21 | Gigantic | a little help here pls... can someone tell me if http://www.orsn.org is down? |
| 00:58.45 | avcde | i set up this sat data system once... after one day i had 30 gigs on my hdd... then i figure i'd spend one week just for sorting out what to filter... guess what i did :D |
| 00:59.18 | DaskreecH | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 00:59.22 | DaskreecH | Gigantic: ^^^ |
| 00:59.23 | avcde | id have to spend some time if now i was to choose which RSS to choose:d |
| 00:59.25 | avcde | eheheh |
| 00:59.58 | DaskreecH | Ha ha Which feed was that? |
| 01:00.19 | DaskreecH | it would have to be a feed of the DNA sequence of species to get that big in a day |
| 01:00.37 | Gigantic | DaskreecH: oh nice ty |
| 01:00.47 | avcde | no feed... just a whole bunch of 1000s of sat broadcasting sites |
| 01:01.07 | Gigantic | then my f*cking isp is blocking orsn as I suspected >.> |
| 01:01.22 | DaskreecH | Gigantic: traceroute |
| 01:01.35 | maazu | jogging is good for health |
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| 01:02.19 | avcde | it wasnt that big daskreech.. i managed to get 15 mbit peaks |
| 01:03.37 | avcde | they also had this "syndication" system |
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| 01:04.03 | avcde | one voted for his preferred sites, thus influencing what was to be broadcast next |
| 01:04.08 | avcde | or later |
| 01:04.50 | DaskreecH | hmm neat |
| 01:04.52 | avcde | so i decided to do the best syndication ever... shut it down for some weeks |
| 01:05.28 | avcde | u could place ur votes over a simple land line |
| 01:05.33 | avcde | dialup would do |
| 01:06.03 | avcde | thing is called satatonce i guess and u should type sat@once |
| 01:06.13 | avcde | belongs to Astra i believe |
| 01:06.43 | avcde | all u have to do is a sat card and an antenna |
| 01:07.36 | avcde | and all i need do is get some sleep... |
| 01:07.49 | Gigantic | DaskreecH: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ say that it is just me but another guy in Chile has the same issue |
| 01:08.03 | Gigantic | DaskreecH: can u actually ping orsn.org? |
| 01:08.17 | DaskreecH | nope |
| 01:08.20 | SharkMa-san | btw, does anyone know how to get rtl8185 to work properly with the linux drivers? knetworkmanager refuses to allow me to use wpa |
| 01:08.22 | sandsmark | Gigantic: I can |
| 01:08.28 | sandsmark | Gigantic: but I get a reply from sedoparking |
| 01:08.28 | Gigantic | wtf |
| 01:08.37 | sandsmark | PING orsn.com (82.98.86.170) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 01:08.37 | sandsmark | 64 bytes from www170.sedoparking.com (82.98.86.170): icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=42.0 ms |
| 01:09.08 | DaskreecH | I can tracepath to some server in NY then it dies |
| 01:09.19 | Gigantic | hacked maybe? |
| 01:09.27 | Gigantic | nice :P |
| 01:09.43 | avcde | nice chatting with you |
| 01:09.46 | avcde | bye |
| 01:09.51 | Gigantic | bye |
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| 01:10.02 | DaskreecH | Bye |
| 01:10.25 | SharkMa-san | ... seems not :/ |
| 01:11.38 | Gigantic | I'm going to use the devil's dns... the nasa's dns :P |
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| 01:48.21 | sapper | I am trying to develop on Amarok 2 and I am trying to install the kde dev packages for kubuntu but I cannot find out the package names. I am running Kubuntu KDE4.1 |
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| 01:48.37 | DaskreecH | don't irc as root |
| 01:49.03 | DaskreecH | sapper: #amarok for the first part of that statement #kubuntu-kde4 for the second |
| 01:49.16 | DaskreecH | Guest24753: You are still root :-P |
| 01:49.18 | sapper | ok thank you sir! |
| 01:49.18 | Guest24753 | guys |
| 01:49.29 | Guest24753 | i can't see my cd-rom |
| 01:49.32 | Guest24753 | with gentoo |
| 01:49.35 | Guest24753 | :(( |
| 01:49.38 | Guest24753 | this isn't good |
| 01:49.44 | Guest24753 | can somebody help me |
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| 02:07.14 | concernedcitizen | I love BasKet |
| 02:07.30 | Gigantic | feels the same |
| 02:07.51 | concernedcitizen | any cool tricks on tips for BasKet Gigantic? |
| 02:08.09 | Gigantic | keep your passwords in it :P |
| 02:08.41 | Gigantic | and encrypt it :) |
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| 02:11.41 | concernedcitizen | how'd you do it? |
| 02:11.41 | DaskreecH | makes all his passwords eggs |
| 02:11.55 | DaskreecH | puts all his encrypted eggs in one basket |
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| 02:22.30 | jcolby | Does anyone know why I am getting the following error while trying to compile libkdepim from SVN kmeditor.cpp:441: error: 'class KPIM::KMeditor' has no member named 'setSpellInterface' |
| 02:26.41 | concernedcitizen | how'd I encrypt basKet notes? |
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| 02:27.28 | DaskreecH | pokes Gigantic |
| 02:27.57 | concernedcitizen | i wanna poke too! |
| 02:28.36 | Gigantic | DaskreecH: in setting look for 'baskets' then 'Use GnuPG...' |
| 02:29.16 | Gigantic | then right click a basket and you can psswd it and or encrypt it |
| 02:29.37 | concernedcitizen | ahhh |
| 02:29.41 | concernedcitizen | how'd I know if its working? |
| 02:29.52 | concernedcitizen | as in, its being encrypted |
| 02:30.58 | Gigantic | easy, open it with a text editor |
| 02:31.24 | Gigantic | the basket itself I mean |
| 02:31.40 | Gigantic | sould look like a rsa key or something |
| 02:32.12 | concernedcitizen | it just shows "password protected basket ..." no key no nothing |
| 02:32.44 | Gigantic | becuz u pwwd it, not encrypted it |
| 02:32.58 | Gigantic | to encrypt you will need a gpg key |
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| 02:33.19 | concernedcitizen | when trying to password it, I cant check on "encrypt with private key" |
| 02:33.43 | Gigantic | use kgpg for it... but don't save important data encrypted unless you know exactly how it works!!!! you might not be able to open it! |
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| 02:34.09 | Gigantic | because you have no key to encrypt with |
| 02:35.51 | concernedcitizen | is there anyway to backup this key? |
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| 02:37.47 | Gigantic | concernedcitizen: Yes, but again... don't encrypt unless you know what you are doing, |
| 02:38.27 | concernedcitizen | you know, if someone can compromise my system, wouldn't that make them able to actually see my stuff regardless or not its encrypted? |
| 02:38.32 | Gigantic | concernedcitizen: check the kgpg and gpg documentation b4 |
| 02:39.51 | Gigantic | concernedcitizen: no, even if your pc is completelty hacked then can't get access to the gpg key, because they would need the private key, but to get it you need to enter the passwd uning gpg |
| 02:40.50 | concernedcitizen | yeah but if I've left my terminal online and unlocked while I go make coffee |
| 02:40.53 | Gigantic | once encrypted with gpg, it is safe... unless someone crack rsa :) |
| 02:41.02 | Gigantic | *break |
| 02:41.05 | concernedcitizen | and have already logged into kgpg, they'd be able to access it then? |
| 02:41.15 | Gigantic | concernedcitizen: no |
| 02:41.31 | Gigantic | concernedcitizen: even if tehy get root, no way |
| 02:41.57 | Gigantic | there is no relation actually |
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| 02:43.16 | concernedcitizen | mm |
| 02:43.18 | concernedcitizen | thanks yo |
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| 02:46.28 | Lenolium | Hey, I'm trying out KDE 4.1, and so far it's really great. I'm wondering however if there is any way to disable the animation that happens when switching desktops. |
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| 02:47.24 | Gigantic | Lenolium: go to menu > Configure desktop > Desktop > All effects |
| 02:47.42 | Gigantic | can disable it or replace it for a diff one |
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| 02:49.48 | workaphobia | Does anyone know how I can get konqueror to stop nagging me about saving passwords in kwallet? |
| 02:49.57 | workaphobia | Or where I'd go to find that information, besides the source code? |
| 02:50.14 | Gigantic | deactivate kwallet |
| 02:50.46 | workaphobia | I would hope that there would be a more flexible option. The designers of kwallet couldn't have intended it to be strictly all or nothing for every KDE app |
| 02:50.59 | Gigantic | they didn't |
| 02:51.34 | Gigantic | first time you open it it ask you a couple of things, included rather you wanna use it or not |
| 02:51.47 | Gigantic | is a wizard window |
| 02:52.25 | workaphobia | I think that's system global, not per app |
| 02:52.33 | Gigantic | right |
| 02:52.41 | workaphobia | It was a while ago but I remember that not working for me. I want kwallet for kopete but not at all for konqueror |
| 02:54.36 | workaphobia | I wish KDE had a better forum for this sort of stuff, last I looked it was spam choked and outdated. Guess I'll have to ask on a mailing list. |
| 02:54.46 | Gigantic | workaphobia: yeah, 'access control' in settings |
| 02:54.49 | workaphobia | If I can find one that's not devel only... |
| 02:54.51 | workaphobia | Looking.. |
| 02:55.04 | workaphobia | For kwallet or konqueror? |
| 02:55.19 | Lenolium | Gigantic: Thanks, that disabled the application, now I just have to figure out why these apps take a second or two to redraw after I switch back to them. Do you happen to know someplace I should go to get the optimal settings? (Compositing type and the such) |
| 02:55.22 | Gigantic | browse the application settings before troling :) |
| 02:55.35 | workaphobia | Gigantic: I'm aware of that option I'm afraid, that doesn't do what I want |
| 02:55.53 | workaphobia | Gigantic: The problem isn't kwallet allowing konqueror or not allowing konqueror - indeed konqueror isn't in the list right now |
| 02:56.12 | workaphobia | Gigantic: But konqueror will still ask me to save passwords in the wallet (and I think if I agree, it would then cause kwallet to prompt me to allow or deny) |
| 02:56.27 | workaphobia | This happens because kwallet is enabled for other apps on my system and konqueror knows it, but won't shut up |
| 02:57.01 | Lenolium | Gigantic: BTW, the "Keep thumbnails of hidden windows up to date" seemed to do it, at least with the OpenGL compositing type. |
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| 02:57.22 | Gigantic | Lenolium: :) likely the GL drivers |
| 02:58.18 | Lenolium | Gigantic: Well, thanks for the help, and if you have anything to do with KDE, 4.1 is looking great! |
| 02:58.29 | Gigantic | oh yeah, heard something about it but dunno. it doesn't happen here |
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| 03:00.08 | castingcrowns | Hi, is there a way to modify the right click menu? The one you get from right clicking on the desktop? |
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| 03:02.30 | Gigantic | castingcrowns: over the desktop? in kde3? |
| 03:03.01 | castingcrowns | yes |
| 03:04.00 | Gigantic | kcontrol > Dektop > Behaviour > 'Mouse Button Actions' |
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| 03:06.52 | castingcrowns | Gigantic: That seems to just replace the menu with your own custom one. How can you add sperators, etc? Isnt there a way to edit the acutal Desktop menu? |
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| 03:08.07 | Gigantic | castingcrowns: you can use custom... no separators so far but that's it |
| 03:09.03 | castingcrowns | Bummer |
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| 03:10.06 | Gigantic | install gnome or vista and tell me if you even have the option |
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| 03:10.34 | AntiXpucT | good morning to all |
| 03:10.40 | Gigantic | hi |
| 03:11.20 | AntiXpucT | can somebody answer me, can KDE play system sounds without arts? |
| 03:11.41 | padde | AntiXpucT: yes |
| 03:12.07 | AntiXpucT | can you explain, how? |
| 03:12.28 | padde | AntiXpucT: you're talking about kde-3.5, right? |
| 03:12.33 | AntiXpucT | yep |
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| 03:12.53 | padde | AntiXpucT: you can specify a command... for example mplayer |
| 03:13.24 | padde | AntiXpucT: i don't have kde available now, so i can't tell you the exact location though |
| 03:13.41 | AntiXpucT | hm... thanks for idea ^_^ |
| 03:14.10 | drantin | I normally disable all system sounds >_> |
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| 03:14.57 | padde | things like mail notifications or instant message notifications are useful, imo |
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| 03:23.37 | Gigantic | yes, very nice to hear a nice BB OOO I NNN GGGG ! When using amarok for a party and you get new mail :) |
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| 03:24.52 | Gigantic | and there is worse situations heh |
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| 03:27.11 | workaphobia | Eh, Gigantic leaves just as I find this: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&m=111646466606751&w=2 |
| 03:27.54 | workaphobia | Anyway, no indication that that patch has ever been accepted. An annoying shame given how old this problem is. |
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| 03:37.50 | BlueG | how does kmail handle scripts in html email? When html rendering is activated, does it also execute scripts? |
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| 04:32.44 | concernedcitizen | has anyone managed to get rpc over https (for exchange server) working on Kmail or any KDE Mail apps? |
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| 04:39.42 | cpuwolf | my YUM can not work today |
| 04:41.27 | Koroem | Yeah |
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| 06:01.09 | luna1 | hi guys, anyone knows about konversation 4 ? |
| 06:02.17 | drantin | ...huh? |
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| 06:02.22 | drantin | it's at 1.1 |
| 06:02.37 | drantin | and konversation has it's own channel |
| 06:02.41 | drantin | #konversation |
| 06:04.10 | luna1 | drantin: yes i know, but i have read there is a new version for kde 4 on the road |
| 06:04.42 | Jucato | luna1: on the road? it's still in the assembly line |
| 06:04.54 | Jucato | and the kde4 version will be konversation 2.0 (not konvi 4) |
| 06:04.55 | luna1 | maybe 1.1 with qt 4 support i think |
| 06:05.04 | Jucato | no |
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| 06:28.14 | romme | can i make kde not affect regular qt apps? (not overwrite ~/.qt) ? |
| 06:28.39 | pinotree | no, given that kde does not change .qt at all |
| 06:29.50 | romme | well, i've backed up .qt, changed the colorscheme in kcontrol, ran vimdiff on qt_backup/qtrc .qt/qtrc, and seen a lot of differences |
| 06:30.16 | romme | and qt apps like Opera are affected by those changes |
| 06:30.33 | Jucato | qtconfig? |
| 06:30.47 | Jucato | waves to pinotree |
| 06:30.58 | romme | the changes i make in qtconfig are lost when logging in and out of kde |
| 06:31.07 | romme | it just overwrites .qt with it's own settings |
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| 07:06.49 | maniel | hi |
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| 07:07.17 | maniel | how t turn off scrollwheel desktop switching in kde4?:) |
| 07:07.26 | maniel | i'm using svn builds |
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| 07:44.21 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: online? |
| 07:44.28 | SSJ_GZ | hyper_ch: yep |
| 07:44.45 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: just wanted to let you know the memory usage has risen to 74mb |
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| 07:44.59 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: used the desktop plasmoid 2-3 times to delete seomthing from it |
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| 07:45.10 | SSJ_GZ | hyper_ch: With a default desktop? |
| 07:45.10 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: and used menu a couple of times... besides that I did not alter anything |
| 07:45.24 | SSJ_GZ | hyper_ch: That's RES memory, yes? |
| 07:45.29 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: yes |
| 07:45.57 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: virt. is 148 |
| 07:46.00 | SSJ_GZ | hyper_ch: Sounds like a leak to me :/ Did you have a taskbar? |
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| 07:46.16 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: yes... the "normal" one |
| 07:46.40 | hyper_ch | need a screen? |
| 07:46.45 | SSJ_GZ | hyper_ch: Could you try rapidly switching between two windows for a while and see if the memory used increases? |
| 07:46.54 | SSJ_GZ | hyper_ch: No, it's OK :) |
| 07:47.06 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: is there an automatic way to do that? ^^ |
| 07:47.15 | SSJ_GZ | hyper_ch: Probably not :) |
| 07:47.39 | SSJ_GZ | hyper_ch: Just for about a minute or so. |
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| 07:47.50 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: I'll try |
| 07:49.33 | chris_ | I've just built kde4 from source from the first time... |
| 07:49.46 | chris_ | couple of minor probs - the fonts look a little ugly, and 'alt-F1' doesn't work. any thoughts on alt-F1? |
| 07:49.55 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: 800kb more used now |
| 07:50.11 | SSJ_GZ | hyper_ch: Interesting. |
| 07:50.47 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: :) |
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| 07:51.07 | admiral0 | hi... are marble and konversation in trunk/ ? |
| 07:51.44 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: what now? |
| 07:52.14 | SSJ_GZ | hyper_ch: I'd probably file a bug report. State that you were using the default desktop settings, and include the beginning and ending RES sizes, and the fact that you increased the memory usage just by toggling windows for a short time. |
| 07:52.30 | gkiagia | chris_: alt+f1 doesn't seem to work here either.. must be a bug. |
| 07:52.47 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: ok :) |
| 07:52.54 | SSJ_GZ | Cool :) |
| 07:52.59 | admiral0 | found marble in kdeedu... what about Konversation? |
| 07:53.06 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: I'll just restart plasma first ;) |
| 07:53.16 | SSJ_GZ | Hehe :) |
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| 07:55.09 | admiral0 | is Konversation being ported to kde4? |
| 07:55.26 | chris_ | thanks gkiagia - i couldn't find an existing bug report, so i'll make one now |
| 07:55.28 | blauzahl | admiral0: as we speak |
| 07:57.38 | admiral0 | i couldn't find any news about it |
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| 08:04.41 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: how to find the plasma version? |
| 08:04.58 | SSJ_GZ | hyper_ch: It's release with KDE, so it'll be 4.1 |
| 08:05.03 | SSJ_GZ | *released |
| 08:05.06 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: ok :) |
| 08:05.19 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: thought it has an internal version number also |
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| 08:06.30 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: there are quite a few reports it seems |
| 08:06.58 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165423 |
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| 08:07.55 | SSJ_GZ | hyper_ch: Ah, known issue, then. |
| 08:08.06 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: but status not set to confirmed |
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| 08:24.30 | hyper_ch | SSJ_GZ: my report submitted |
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| 08:25.07 | SSJ_GZ | hyper_ch: Great - nice and detailed :) |
| 08:25.21 | hyper_ch | should I have mentioned you? |
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| 08:28.54 | SSJ_GZ | hyper_ch: Nope :) |
| 08:29.03 | hyper_ch | ^^ |
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| 08:37.27 | BlueG | how does kmail handle scripts in html email? When html rendering is activated, does it also execute scripts? |
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| 09:03.05 | greeg | hi, im running gentoo where it compile programs from scratch. if i have KDE 3.5 whats a nice mp3 and avi and mpeg player ? |
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| 09:03.56 | vanguard_ | Hi all. Just a question: It is impossible to unlock the kde screensaver. Due to it is related to kcheckpass: Which permissions must kcheckpass have ? |
| 09:04.40 | vanguard_ | Mine is 0755. root:root |
| 09:04.46 | vanguard_ | Is this correct ? |
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| 09:10.26 | thiago_home | greeg: amarok for music, mplayer for video |
| 09:10.33 | thiago_home | vanguard_: no |
| 09:10.37 | thiago_home | vanguard_: kcheckpass must be setuid root |
| 09:12.03 | vanguard_ | So it muust be 4755, right ? |
| 09:12.23 | thiago_home | yes |
| 09:13.05 | vanguard_ | I changed nothing by hand, so I suppose, there were some changings during one of my updates ? |
| 09:13.24 | vanguard_ | Some changing in the policies maybe ??? |
| 09:14.29 | vanguard_ | Yes, now it works ! Great ! So easy !!! |
| 09:16.18 | thiago_home | how did you install KDE? |
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| 09:17.39 | vanguard_ | I installed with sarge, and now I am running lenny. |
| 09:17.40 | Argoth | good morning |
| 09:17.57 | vanguard_ | So my system is rather "old". |
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| 09:18.19 | vanguard_ | Hi Argoth |
| 09:18.40 | vanguard_ | Argoth: Are you running your internet access using KabelBw ? |
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| 09:19.01 | Argoth | yes |
| 09:19.18 | vanguard_ | Cool, can I come shortly private ? |
| 09:19.21 | Argoth | ofc |
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| 09:22.57 | raininja | YAY for dolphin |
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| 09:23.39 | quatar-it | hi all |
| 09:23.44 | quatar-it | need some help about kdenlive... can i ask here? |
| 09:23.50 | quatar-it | or where? |
| 09:25.58 | Argoth | i got a quick question concerning 4.1: is it possible that the taskbar only shows the titles of the windows that are placed on the specific virtual desktop? for example it only shows the titles of the windows on desktop #3 |
| 09:25.58 | vanguard_ | Thanks all for your help ! Breakfast time ! I have to leave now. Regards !!! |
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| 09:26.23 | quatar-it | no one ever used kdenlive and colud answer a really elementary question? |
| 09:29.05 | Argoth | sorry, i haven't |
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| 09:29.07 | quatar-it | thx anyway... sigh |
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| 09:31.17 | Argoth | there are 361 people in this channel and nobody knows an answer to my question? wow |
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| 09:33.49 | gkiagia | Argoth: of course this is possible :) |
| 09:34.14 | gkiagia | Argoth: right click on the taskbar, select task manager settings and you will find an option there |
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| 09:34.49 | gkiagia | Argoth: and be patient, people are busy |
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| 09:35.52 | quatar-it | kdenlive: how to return to the default layout ? aahhrggh.. after reinstalling it's still the same... |
| 09:36.21 | Argoth | thanks i'll try that, i knew it was possible in kde3 I' ws just too stupid to find it |
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| 09:45.39 | SpeedyG | hi, my network-manager thingy in the taskbar tells me that my network is disconnected.. however, the fact that I can type here tells me different.. is there a way I can fix this? |
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| 09:51.57 | gkiagia | SpeedyG: ask in your distribution's channel. this is distro-specific |
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| 09:53.16 | gkiagia | SpeedyG: but in most cases, if network-manager is running, this means that you are not in the messagebus group |
| 09:53.58 | SpeedyG | hm, well, the problem occured after I changed network-settings through the commandline |
| 09:54.28 | gkiagia | network-settings? using ifconfig and friends? |
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| 09:58.44 | SpeedyG | nope, nano and /etc/network/interfaces :) |
| 09:58.53 | Zuratgo | I'm a little bit confused. I'm using Archlinux with kde 4.1 and the panel is missing the option to enable two rows or to only show the window titles assigned to a specific desktop. right clicking on the panel and clicking on panel-settings only lets me resize the panel or add new plasmoids. is that an arch specific problem or am I just too stupid to find that? |
| 09:59.47 | friedrich| | there is a multiple rows task manager on kde-look.org available |
| 10:00.02 | friedrich| | plain kde doesn't support it. |
| 10:00.19 | friedrich| | and I think the other option you're looking for isn't available either - but dunno |
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| 10:00.52 | Zuratgo | ah ok, thanks. I was used to it from kde3 and was looking for the option now in kde4 |
| 10:01.50 | clusby | yeh same as 'group similar tasks' option...another thing i'm missing pretty badly |
| 10:02.13 | gkiagia | SpeedyG: well, what did you do? setup a static ip? static ip interfaces are not controlled by network-manager afaik |
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| 10:04.12 | SpeedyG | gkiagia: ah, that explains, because thats what i've done |
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| 10:18.03 | Illusion | hello all |
| 10:18.18 | Illusion | does anyone speak here |
| 10:18.25 | Illusion | *Do |
| 10:18.41 | thiago_home | no |
| 10:18.51 | Illusion | Hey thiago |
| 10:18.58 | Illusion | Hi ...How are you doin? |
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| 10:25.00 | dereine | where can i set the default view of dolphin to list |
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| 10:25.34 | kokozedman | hello people |
| 10:25.55 | kokozedman | is there a Konsole widget for the panel, just like in the KDE 3? |
| 10:26.05 | kokozedman | i'm using KDE 4.1 |
| 10:26.06 | thiago_home | kokozedman: in the works. |
| 10:26.13 | thiago_home | read the blogs in planetkde.org to find out more. |
| 10:26.59 | kokozedman | thiago_home, okay |
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| 10:32.51 | kokozedman | i'm new to KDE 4.1, and i have some curious questions on the changes that has been made on it |
| 10:32.51 | kokozedman | this is another question, but i'm not sure if Konqueror actually can do that: is there some shortcut to quickly do a google search? |
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| 10:32.52 | kokozedman | i'm finding myself forced to open the google.com page in order to do a simple search |
| 10:32.52 | kokozedman | any idea? |
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| 10:32.52 | thiago_home | gg:search terms |
| 10:32.52 | thiago_home | just like KDE 3.0 |
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| 10:32.52 | pgega | Hi all! |
| 10:32.52 | guja | Can anyone suggest me application like GNOME's Cheese for KDE3.5? Thank You. |
| 10:32.53 | thiago_home | guja: you have to describe the application for people here to know what it does. |
| 10:32.53 | thiago_home | doesn't |
| 10:32.53 | pgega | Is there any way to use KDE's windows decoration with compiz instead of emerald ? |
| 10:32.53 | kokozedman | thiago_home, thanks for the google search shortcut :) quite handy |
| 10:32.53 | guja | Can anyone suggest me application like GNOME's Cheese for KDE3.5? Thank You. (taking photos with webcam) |
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| 10:33.24 | thiago_home | kokozedman: wp:wikipedia, ggi:google image, ggl:google lucky, kde:kde API, qt:Qt documentation, etc. |
| 10:34.20 | kokozedman | thiago_home, wow! quite a lot of handy searches |
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| 10:34.55 | kokozedman | another question: is there a Widget that i can put on my panel, which can monitor CPU/Memory/Network? |
| 10:35.08 | thiago_home | I think one is in the works in playground |
| 10:35.10 | kokozedman | i had similar thing in KDE 3.5, but can't find it in KDE |
| 10:35.11 | thiago_home | not published yet |
| 10:35.13 | ErkiDerLoony | Hi! How can I restart alsa/phonen in KDE 4.1? |
| 10:35.14 | thiago_home | is looking for that one too |
| 10:35.20 | thiago_home | ErkiDerLoony: they aren't restartable. |
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| 10:35.22 | ErkiDerLoony | There's nothing in /etc/rc.d. |
| 10:35.25 | ErkiDerLoony | Oh. |
| 10:35.25 | thiago_home | ErkiDerLoony: there are not services running. |
| 10:35.32 | ErkiDerLoony | And what can I do if they crash? |
| 10:35.36 | kokozedman | thiago_home, is it usable? |
| 10:35.47 | thiago_home | ErkiDerLoony: they can't crash because there are no services running. |
| 10:35.56 | ErkiDerLoony | Hm. |
| 10:36.02 | thiago_home | ErkiDerLoony: only running applications can crash. If nothing is running, there are no crashes. |
| 10:36.04 | ErkiDerLoony | Then why do I hear no sound? |
| 10:36.08 | kokozedman | and also, are there anything that i need to install to get more panel widgets? |
| 10:36.13 | thiago_home | kokozedman: I have no idea. I'm still looking for it. |
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| 10:36.21 | thiago_home | ErkiDerLoony: misconfiguration. |
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| 10:36.29 | thiago_home | ErkiDerLoony: use the system settings to select a different device and/or backend. |
| 10:36.31 | ErkiDerLoony | But it worked until five minutes ago. |
| 10:36.37 | kokozedman | thiago_home, i se |
| 10:36.42 | ErkiDerLoony | And I've done nothing but close my firefox since then. |
| 10:37.10 | thiago_home | maybe there's another application holding the sound device open. |
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| 10:38.52 | kokozedman | at KDE 4.1 start, what causes my logon sound to stop suddenly? |
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| 10:39.40 | gkiagia | kokozedman: I wish I knew that too.... :/ |
| 10:39.43 | ErkiDerLoony | How could I detect such an application? |
| 10:39.59 | ErkiDerLoony | "lsof | grep dsp" shows nothing. |
| 10:40.27 | kokozedman | gkiagia, looks like a lot of polishing is required in the KDE 4.1 codes :) |
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| 10:40.59 | kokozedman | i guess i'll use the 'play' to have KDE sing |
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| 11:07.39 | _the_p | I'm opening a big archive with ark it takes a lot of time. Does ark extract the archive when i only open it? |
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| 11:09.33 | Mirra | _the_p: I dont know for sure, but at least it has to look what's in it |
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| 11:10.57 | Half-Left | _the_p: No just gives you options to, but from what I've seen it's broken, only makes a blank directory when extracting |
| 11:11.14 | _the_p | Mirra: it is a gzip compressed archive is it possible to look what is in it whitout decompressing it? |
| 11:12.15 | Half-Left | _the_p: Yes but Dolphin can do that |
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| 11:12.56 | _the_p | Half-Left:I'm on kde 3.5. |
| 11:13.04 | Half-Left | ahhh |
| 11:13.15 | Mirra | _the_p: gunzip -l ? |
| 11:13.21 | Half-Left | As I remember it works the same way |
| 11:13.36 | Mirra | (Lima) |
| 11:14.09 | kokozedman | where do i add the sticky notes on the desktop? as in the screenshots that are spread around the internet? |
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| 11:15.52 | Half-Left | kokozedman: KDE4? |
| 11:15.58 | kokozedman | yes, KDE 4.1 |
| 11:16.19 | Half-Left | Add Widgets--->Notes |
| 11:16.23 | lemma | kokozedman: add a "Notes" widget using the "Add Widget" button |
| 11:16.34 | kokozedman | Half-Left, i've just upgraded to it, and i can't find stuffs that i want |
| 11:16.54 | Half-Left | Depends what you want |
| 11:17.55 | kokozedman | i can't find it there! |
| 11:18.04 | kokozedman | i'm on Gentoo, any idea what should i install? |
| 11:18.41 | Half-Left | Install kdeplasma-addons |
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| 11:19.24 | kokozedman | ok |
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| 11:20.02 | Moult | can anybody recommend a chess program for kde? |
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| 11:51.42 | Machtin | heeelp.. where's my alt+f2? :/ |
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| 11:56.39 | Machtin | i can run krunner, but it seems not to be bound to alt+f2.. where to change that? (4.1) |
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| 11:59.30 | kokozedman | Machtin, that might simply be a keyboard shortcut |
| 11:59.38 | kokozedman | you might have changed stuffs around |
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| 12:03.38 | kokozedman | i'm getting this error while compiling the plasma playgroung: no matching function for call to âPlasma::PanelSvg::paintPanel(QPainter*&)â |
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| 12:07.29 | lemma | kokozedman: if you compile plasma playground you might need kdelibs/kdebase from trunk as well |
| 12:08.00 | kokozedman | lemma, that not feasible for me |
| 12:08.10 | kokozedman | i've already spent so much time trying to compile it |
| 12:09.02 | lemma | kokozedman: I don't think the notes widget is in playground though. on debian it was installed automatically |
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| 12:10.15 | kokozedman | lemma, i've got the Notes installed now, but i want the system monitor in the playground |
| 12:10.40 | kokozedman | lemma, i'll see if i can hack-around, cause i did similar hack with kdepimlibs |
| 12:11.06 | lemma | kokozedman: ah alright, sorry. did not get that :) |
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| 12:15.45 | RichiH | what happened to bugs.kde.org |
| 12:16.21 | lemma | RichiH: it seems to be offline currently |
| 12:16.26 | lemma | RichiH: should be back soon though |
| 12:16.46 | RichiH | lemma: guess or knowledge? |
| 12:17.11 | lemma | RichiH: well, I KNOW it is offline :) and I GUESS it will be back soon |
| 12:17.23 | lemma | RichiH: but I guess that's about the same you already know |
| 12:17.33 | lemma | RichiH: just confirming that I can't reach it either |
| 12:17.44 | RichiH | heh, k |
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| 12:21.30 | testi | Is it correct that automatic overwrite does reask to overwrite instead of skipping if file sizes are different? |
| 12:22.03 | testi | when batch file copying |
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| 12:31.51 | Rasi | hi |
| 12:32.02 | Rasi | anyone else experiences slowdowns of dolphin lately? |
| 12:32.18 | Rasi | opening of my (small) home folder takes around 2 seconds |
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| 12:32.37 | Rasi | dolphin(3805)/kio (KIOJob) KDirModel::indexForUrl: KUrl("") not found |
| 12:32.38 | Rasi | dolphin(3805) KFileItem::isDir: can't say -> false |
| 12:32.41 | Rasi | this is what it says |
| 12:33.04 | Rasi | i found out that gwenview shows the content instantly... |
| 12:33.13 | Rasi | so do any non-kde file browsers |
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| 12:41.28 | pana | hi |
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| 12:43.43 | bushwacker | Hello. I have downloaded this theme: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Xaphire?content=76705 . How can I install the theme/window decorations? |
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| 12:47.44 | bushwacker | does anyone know? |
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| 12:51.26 | Half-Left | bushwacker: usually you have to compile it |
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| 12:57.55 | ikrabbe | ok I've found it it seems that kde4 should support opacity rigth ? |
| 12:58.21 | ikrabbe | I mean the CSS attribute opacity |
| 12:58.53 | ikrabbe | hello idlers ?! |
| 12:58.56 | ikrabbe | :P |
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| 13:02.51 | lxsameer | hi , when i try building kdelibs i get this error http://phpfi.com/344504 |
| 13:03.08 | lxsameer | all : what is my problem ^ , i use cmakekde |
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| 13:04.20 | Half-Left | lxsameer: Well you need to build kdelibs in a different directory, i.e kdelibs/build |
| 13:05.16 | _Angelus_ | guys whats kde4's windows manager called? so i can run the replace command |
| 13:05.26 | Half-Left | kwin |
| 13:05.43 | lxsameer | Half-Left : i following kde.org instro to build kdelibs , in that instro say that just run cmakekde |
| 13:05.57 | _Angelus_ | thanks |
| 13:06.27 | Half-Left | lxsameer: It maybe you have to edit it because it looks like it's running the build command in kdelibs top level when it shouldn't |
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| 13:07.13 | Zarin | If you are following Techbase step-by-step you should have kdelibs in /home/kde-devel/kde/src/KDE/kdelibs |
| 13:07.38 | lxsameer | Half-Life : how can i clean my source package with cmake something like make clean for cmake? |
| 13:08.01 | Half-Left | yes but you can't build it in kdelibs, it needs to be in kdelibs/mybuilddirectory |
| 13:08.21 | Half-Left | lxsameer: svn-clean |
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| 13:08.51 | Half-Left | If your using svh ofcourse |
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| 13:08.54 | Half-Left | svn* |
| 13:08.57 | lxsameer | Zarin : is that important? |
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| 13:10.34 | Half-Left | lxsameer: Your using some sort of script to build? |
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| 13:11.05 | lxsameer | Half-Life default of kde.org instro . |
| 13:12.06 | Half-Left | Well you need to make a build directory in kdelibs and point it to there |
| 13:12.32 | Half-Left | Thats what the error is saying |
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| 13:13.37 | Half-Left | i.e running the cmake command in kdelibs top level doesn't work, it needs to be done in another directory of it's own inside kdelibs |
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| 13:13.57 | lxsameer | Half-Life : thanks , one more question , is that important tu put the kdelibs dir to /home/kde-devel/kde/src/KDE/kdelibs? |
| 13:14.28 | Half-Left | As long as it's in the same directory as the others it's fine |
| 13:15.23 | lxsameer | Half-Life : thanks |
| 13:15.28 | Half-Left | np |
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| 13:15.42 | Half-Left | half-left :p |
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| 13:16.33 | NewCastle | g'mornin all, Is there a way for konquer to save web logins ? |
| 13:16.57 | thiago_home | NewCastle: it asks you if you want to save. |
| 13:17.00 | Half-Left | It should ask to save them for you |
| 13:17.03 | NewCastle | hmm |
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| 13:17.05 | thiago_home | NewCastle: if you say "yes", it'll save. |
| 13:17.12 | NewCastle | hehe thanks |
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| 13:23.03 | Murray_B | Hi! |
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| 13:24.13 | grgdorn | hi! im running kde4 and my wireless network just stopped working for no appearent reason... |
| 13:24.29 | grgdorn | knetworkmanager doesnt see it anymore... |
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| 13:25.39 | thiago_home | knetworkmanager is not a standard KDE program |
| 13:25.44 | thiago_home | please ask for help in your distribution's channel. |
| 13:26.26 | grgdorn | i tried that but since i have experimental in my sources.list they more or less flipped me the finger |
| 13:26.53 | grgdorn | i thought maybe someone else tried something similar with kde4... |
| 13:27.48 | grgdorn | i cannot get into administrator mode in the kde network setup... |
| 13:28.02 | grgdorn | the "Administrator Mode" button does nothing. |
| 13:28.15 | thiago_home | we can't help you with sources.list either |
| 13:28.24 | thiago_home | KDE doesn't have a network setup |
| 13:29.40 | grgdorn | ok.... |
| 13:30.34 | grgdorn | thought if i press Alt+F2 and enter "wifi" kde suggests something called " Wireless Network KDE3. Set up your wireless network" |
| 13:30.37 | grgdorn | *though |
| 13:31.12 | thiago_home | not a KDE (3 or 4) program |
| 13:31.21 | thiago_home | it's an external program installed by your distribution |
| 13:31.28 | grgdorn | ok |
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| 13:31.35 | grgdorn | hm |
| 13:31.38 | grgdorn | ah well |
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| 13:33.43 | unclemike | does anyone use cairo dock |
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| 13:36.50 | thiago_home | what's a cairo dock? |
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| 13:37.13 | Murray_B | Something like Kicker |
| 13:37.23 | pont | made with cairo.. |
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| 13:37.50 | unclemike | its closeer to an os x like panel |
| 13:37.57 | armando | hola |
| 13:38.09 | armando | mexico? |
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| 13:38.31 | unclemike | trying to figure out how to add kmenu to it |
| 13:38.48 | Murray_B | Isn't cairo dock that one, which looks like a shelve where the Icons are mirrored? |
| 13:39.27 | pont | Murray_B: Pritty certain its just a rip of the OSX dock |
| 13:39.47 | unclemike | Murray_B: yes...but is almost like avant/awn |
| 13:40.07 | pont | http://pix.nofrag.com/8/2/a/276f19f1ebcdfbcea7160d2961bb4tt.jpg |
| 13:41.21 | Murray_B | "Pattern engine. That's right, you can now have a leopard print bar to match your underpants :)." - okay.... |
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| 13:42.04 | unclemike | anyother good osx like docks for kde |
| 13:42.39 | thiago_home | plasma |
| 13:43.10 | Murray_B | pont: Yes, I meant this one, kinda nice... |
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| 13:51.52 | pont | Does KDevelop have a spell check ? for comments and string literals ? |
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| 13:54.49 | garysteinert | anyone know if kdemultimedia is part of kdelibs or kdebase, or whether it is separate, also does anyone have the adress to the svn for it? |
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| 13:55.59 | thiago_home | garysteinert: kdemultimedia is a module, sibling to kdelibs and kdebase |
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| 13:57.18 | Murray_B | garysteinert: kdemultimedia is one of the kde-packages and is not in kdelibs or kdebase |
| 13:57.24 | garysteinert | ah, that explains why i cant find it. would 'svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/kdemultimedia' work for me then? |
| 13:57.33 | thiago_home | no |
| 13:57.38 | thiago_home | trunk/KDE/kdemultimedia |
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| 13:58.34 | garysteinert | thiago_home, Murray_B: thanks, if you hadnt already guessed im still getting my head round kde |
| 13:58.45 | garysteinert | you may hear from me again soon! |
| 13:58.53 | Murray_B | garysteinert: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.1/ Here you can browse throug all the things. |
| 13:59.04 | thiago_home | garysteinert: welcome |
| 14:00.30 | garysteinert | my god, i didnt realise there was that much to kde! |
| 14:01.23 | thiago_home | garysteinert: I'm trying to convert the KDE repositories and I have 162 different applications and modules so far. |
| 14:01.31 | thiago_home | garysteinert: and I'm only at half the history. |
| 14:01.48 | Murray_B | Hm, I used to write about problems in the usenet, but it looks like usenet is dying - is there a good forum, where you can ask things or discuss about kde? |
| 14:02.04 | thiago_home | forumkde.org |
| 14:02.09 | thiago_home | or the mailing lists |
| 14:02.12 | garysteinert | thiago_home: fair enough! |
| 14:03.14 | garysteinert | thiago_home: if im using kdelibs and kdebase from svn, should i use svn for the rest of the modules or are the kde4 modules from my repository comaptible? |
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| 14:05.42 | Murray_B | thiago_home: forumkde.org isn't found, did you write it wrong? |
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| 14:24.19 | bram85_ | Murray_B: kde-forum.org |
| 14:24.36 | Murray_B | bram85_: Thanks |
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| 14:26.32 | I-C-Wiener | yesterday I gave kde 4.1 a try... and was kinda shocked |
| 14:27.21 | I-C-Wiener | is there some official movement away from using treeviews? |
| 14:28.35 | I-C-Wiener | the control-center used to have a nice treeview showing categories on the left side |
| 14:28.40 | cb400f | there's a conspiracy somewhere to ensure that everyone is missing at least one pet feature from kde3 :-) |
| 14:29.11 | I-C-Wiener | ah, ok |
| 14:29.52 | gkiagia | well, I think it's a matter of preference. I prefer the current systemsettings style, but I believe it could be better organized |
| 14:30.08 | I-C-Wiener | should I open a bug report like "I want my treeview back" or is there some other place where they collect wanted features? |
| 14:30.12 | bram85_ | I-C-Wiener: you only mention the kcontrol example, anything else? |
| 14:30.51 | gkiagia | I-C-Wiener: you could add it as a wish to have an option to show the old style |
| 14:31.12 | I-C-Wiener | mhh, it's in icluded in Dolphin but looks like they could remove it any time |
| 14:31.13 | gkiagia | but currently bugzilla is down |
| 14:31.32 | I-C-Wiener | default settings are moving away from treeviews it seems |
| 14:31.46 | gkiagia | treeviews exist of course! |
| 14:31.57 | gkiagia | they exist in Qt... |
| 14:32.03 | bram85_ | I-C-Wiener: the treeview in Dolphin was introduced in 4.1 |
| 14:32.16 | bram85_ | I-C-Wiener: just for those people who wanted it |
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| 14:33.11 | I-C-Wiener | mhh, ok sounds good not to be alone :) |
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| 14:37.11 | Murray_B | I think, splitting the system-settings in normal and advanced tab wasn't a good idea. And I would prefere a list style and not all those big icons... |
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| 14:39.08 | gkiagia | seems like everyone has it's own ideas on how systemsettings should be, hehe :) |
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| 14:40.08 | josa | i've installed kgamma-kde4 and restarted the whole computer.. where am i supposed see the panel in system settings? im using kde 4.1 on kubuntuu |
| 14:40.14 | I-C-Wiener | well, the system settings were great in kde3 |
| 14:40.28 | Murray_B | gkiagia: big icons need a lot of place and you can't write much below them. and you ave to look for your part in 2D, not only in 1D |
| 14:40.33 | gkiagia | I-C-Wiener: I disagree about that |
| 14:41.04 | I-C-Wiener | look at Windows XP's control settings - that a mess |
| 14:41.09 | gkiagia | Murray_B: your idea sounds good, I don't really disagree |
| 14:41.31 | I-C-Wiener | you can't find anything |
| 14:42.05 | gkiagia | I-C-Wiener: you mean in the classic or xp mode? |
| 14:42.21 | Murray_B | I-C-Wiener: It should be like Windows XP - configurble ;-) |
| 14:42.35 | I-C-Wiener | I didn't like the classic look much and it all got worse with the xp-mode |
| 14:42.48 | I-C-Wiener | I hate submenus and popups |
| 14:42.50 | gkiagia | Murray_B: yes, that should make more users happy, indeed |
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| 14:43.51 | I-C-Wiener | and from a user's point of view you never know what the developer categorizes as "advanced" or "usual" feature |
| 14:44.08 | I-C-Wiener | so it's just confusing to make such a split |
| 14:44.11 | Murray_B | I-C-Wiener: Right! |
| 14:44.32 | gkiagia | I-C-Wiener: that's true, and I believe system-settings needs to be better organized in general |
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| 14:45.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, I ordered a Macbook Pro (because of school... I don't really want one :( ), and am wondering whether KDE for OSX is usable, how stable it is and what software is available... |
| 14:45.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyone? =) |
| 14:46.07 | gkiagia | Dark_Apostrophe: it's not ready for production I guess, but some apps work quite well.... more in #kde-mac |
| 14:46.09 | I-C-Wiener | so is there some official forum or anything with an ongoing discussion about usability and design? |
| 14:46.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | gkiagia: Well, if I get Amarok running I'll be happy :P |
| 14:46.45 | sebas | Dark_Apostrophe: It's really only for developers right now. If you don't want to code on it, don't bother. |
| 14:47.00 | I-C-Wiener | I got tons of issues like the grandma-style buttons: http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=buttonsgl4.png |
| 14:47.05 | sebas | Above all: It's not supported in any way |
| 14:47.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | sebas: Damn... |
| 14:47.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | sebas: How's KDE-Promo doing, btw? |
| 14:47.25 | gkiagia | I-C-Wiener: I think there is a kde-usability mailing list |
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| 14:48.36 | sebas | I-C-Wiener: the button order is something we're aware of. The hideous theme you're using is your choice :> |
| 14:48.44 | gkiagia | I-C-Wiener: grandma-style? what do you mean? |
| 14:49.22 | sebas | (/me also doesn't know what "grandma-style" would be) |
| 14:49.48 | I-C-Wiener | gkiagia: Buttons and other control-elements in Qt4 are extreamly large compared to Qt3 apps |
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| 14:50.14 | I-C-Wiener | I first noticed when I ported my own qt apps to qt4 |
| 14:50.23 | concernedcitizen | hey did u guys managed to get mozilla-qt |
| 14:50.26 | concernedcitizen | to work? |
| 14:51.06 | Murray_B | I-C-Wiener: That is because of usability, kde gets closer to gnome, now you can view your buttons without a magnifier ;-) |
| 14:51.33 | gkiagia | I-C-Wiener: that's not true |
| 14:52.28 | I-C-Wiener | Murray_B: that's exactly why I didn't use gnome in the past - any way to undo/configure this? |
| 14:52.38 | gkiagia | buttons here have exactly the same size in qt3 and qt4 |
| 14:52.49 | I-C-Wiener | see the screenshot |
| 14:53.07 | I-C-Wiener | http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=buttonsgl4.png |
| 14:53.10 | gkiagia | I saw the screenshot |
| 14:53.15 | gkiagia | but here I can't reproduce that |
| 14:53.24 | gkiagia | I opened a qt3 dialog and a qt4 dialog |
| 14:53.27 | gkiagia | and compared the sizes |
| 14:53.30 | I-C-Wiener | width may be the same, but Qt4 buttons are always higher than qt3 buttons |
| 14:53.36 | gkiagia | no |
| 14:53.48 | gkiagia | it's your style and settings probably |
| 14:53.52 | I-C-Wiener | mhh, what style are you using? |
| 14:53.55 | gkiagia | oxygen |
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| 14:54.13 | I-C-Wiener | is that available for Qt3/kde3.x? |
| 14:54.28 | gkiagia | I think there is something similar |
| 14:54.43 | Delta-12 | doesn't look like oxygen |
| 14:55.00 | gkiagia | ok, if you want to make a comparison I'll try with plastique |
| 14:55.07 | I-C-Wiener | Ok I guess I messed up my settings anyway, as I'm using kde3 and kde4 apps the same time right now |
| 14:55.53 | I-C-Wiener | actually I'm quite happy nothing crashed so far :) |
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| 14:57.13 | lxsameer | hi , where can i get shared_mime_info 0.20? |
| 14:57.18 | gkiagia | ok, in plastique there is a little difference... buttons are a few pixels taller and about 4/5 in width |
| 14:57.33 | gkiagia | compared to plastik in qt3 |
| 14:57.53 | gkiagia | lxsameer: ask your distro |
| 14:57.54 | lxsameer | all : ^ |
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| 14:58.12 | I-C-Wiener | hmm, so if it depends on the style it might be configurable :) |
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| 14:59.02 | concernedcitizen | :( mozilla-qt |
| 14:59.33 | gkiagia | concernedcitizen: I didn't have any luck with it so far |
| 15:00.00 | concernedcitizen | gkiagia: me neither :( |
| 15:00.03 | concernedcitizen | can't get it to compile |
| 15:00.35 | gkiagia | concernedcitizen: I tried the binary... it opens in completely *bad* graphics (seems like qt widgets are on top of gtk ones or something like that and it freezes the X server after that :P |
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| 15:01.23 | gkiagia | concernedcitizen: but I saw a kubuntu package somewhere, maybe that will work on my debian... I'll try later |
| 15:01.43 | I-C-Wiener | concernedcitizen: have you tried gtk-engines-qt yet? |
| 15:02.01 | I-C-Wiener | it gives you at least qt-style buttons and colors |
| 15:02.24 | I-C-Wiener | although mozilla brings it's own icon-theme of course |
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| 15:02.44 | concernedcitizen | wait there's a binary now? |
| 15:02.46 | gkiagia | gtk-qt doesn't work so well with qt4 |
| 15:02.58 | concernedcitizen | i'm building from source |
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| 15:03.03 | gkiagia | concernedcitizen: there was a binary from the begining |
| 15:03.11 | gkiagia | (i386 only) |
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| 15:03.56 | concernedcitizen | gkiagia: oh you're using the gnome build? |
| 15:04.30 | josa | does anyone have kgamma-kde4 working in kde 4.1? |
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| 15:06.46 | gkiagia | concernedcitizen: this one http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/firefoxqt3.tar.gz |
| 15:07.09 | gkiagia | concernedcitizen: warning: don't try this... it may freeze X |
| 15:07.12 | Half-Left | Good luck with that ^ |
| 15:07.17 | Half-Left | :p |
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| 15:09.18 | concernedcitizen | ./firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: ./libxul.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6QEvent17registerEventTypeEi gah |
| 15:09.58 | gkiagia | what qt version do you have? |
| 15:10.30 | concernedcitizen | how do I check the exact version? |
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| 15:10.34 | concernedcitizen | I think I've did install qt4 |
| 15:10.56 | gkiagia | concernedcitizen: konqueror --version |
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| 15:11.14 | concernedcitizen | Qt: 3.3.8b |
| 15:11.33 | gkiagia | oh, sorry... I assumed you were using kde4 |
| 15:11.41 | concernedcitizen | 8V |
| 15:11.46 | concernedcitizen | but I did install libqt4core |
| 15:12.03 | gkiagia | which version? the package manager will tell that |
| 15:13.43 | concernedcitizen | Version: 4.3.4-0ubuntu3 |
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| 15:15.09 | gkiagia | concernedcitizen: ok, I use 4.4.0 so I assume it needs 4.4.0 or later |
| 15:15.36 | concernedcitizen | I can't seem to upgrade it? |
| 15:15.41 | concernedcitizen | you're using kde 4? |
| 15:16.06 | gkiagia | yes |
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| 15:16.19 | gkiagia | you need the backports repository to get it |
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| 15:18.12 | concernedcitizen | okay grabbin' |
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| 15:18.49 | gkiagia | hmm.. seems like mozilla-qt was there for many years, I just found a tarball from 2003 |
| 15:19.12 | Pinaraf | gkiagia: as far as I remember, it's actually really old |
| 15:19.18 | concernedcitizen | i heard that it was discontinued until recently |
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| 15:19.29 | gkiagia | concernedcitizen: yeah, probably |
| 15:19.34 | thedj | anyone familiar with Taglib ? |
| 15:19.57 | Pinaraf | gkiagia: 1998 : http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/00000007 |
| 15:21.05 | gkiagia | Pinaraf: wow! |
| 15:21.05 | concernedcitizen | gahhh packages.ubuntu.com is taking a long time to load. I don't wanna enable backports but wanna grab the package directly |
| 15:21.29 | gkiagia | concernedcitizen: there are dependencies... |
| 15:21.41 | gkiagia | qt4 is split in many packages |
| 15:25.13 | gkiagia | concernedcitizen: hey man, use this http://jtechinda.blogspot.com/2008/08/firefox-qt-packages-hit-kubuntu.html :D |
| 15:25.39 | gkiagia | is going to try this too |
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| 15:26.14 | concernedcitizen | woot |
| 15:26.16 | concernedcitizen | thanks mang |
| 15:26.27 | concernedcitizen | i'll try this out tmr morning, gonna hit the sack |
| 15:26.36 | lxsameer | what version of shared-mime-info is needed for building kde4.2? |
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| 15:27.38 | lxsameer | all : ^ |
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| 15:36.00 | kokozedman | guys, what could be the cause of this problem: the elements on the panel randomly disappears! |
| 15:36.21 | kokozedman | sometimes, when i hover the mouse over the disappearing elements, they reappear and other elements disappear |
| 15:37.53 | gkiagia | kokozedman: what kde version? what qt version? what video card drivers? |
| 15:38.39 | kokozedman | KDE 4.1.0, QT 4.4.1, Nvidia Geforce 6200 with proprietary driver |
| 15:39.21 | kokozedman | gkiagia, nvidia driver v173.14.12 |
| 15:39.53 | kokozedman | it is when i'm writing a mail message in Thunderbird that it is happening |
| 15:40.11 | kokozedman | and some other GTK applications, such as Firefox also (but rarely) |
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| 15:43.00 | gkiagia | do you mean that the system tray disappears? there is a known bug with systray and qt 4.4.1 |
| 15:43.13 | gkiagia | but it doesn't sound like the same problem |
| 15:43.26 | gkiagia | kokozedman: ^ |
| 15:43.50 | gkiagia | kokozedman: do you use composite effects? |
| 15:45.30 | kokozedman | gkiagia, of course! that's why i upgraded to 4.1 :) |
| 15:45.52 | Murray_B | With cheese you get mice... ;-) |
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| 15:45.59 | kokozedman | gkiagia, the systray is so crazy that it appears and it disappears! |
| 15:46.11 | kokozedman | Murray_B, lol |
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| 15:46.42 | jspzy | hi room |
| 15:46.43 | kokozedman | gkiagia, is there a known workaround? |
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| 15:48.45 | gkiagia | kokozedman: ok, if it is with the systray, I guess it's the known bug... |
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| 15:49.08 | gkiagia | the workaround is to remove the systray and add it again.. that should show the icons again |
| 15:49.43 | gkiagia | the real solution is to upgrade to a newer kde or downgrade qt to 4.4.0 |
| 15:49.57 | Murray_B | konqueror was really slow here the last versions, but now he didn't get any connection to some servers... |
| 15:50.48 | kokozedman | gkiagia, isn't KDE 4.1.0 the latest? |
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| 15:51.20 | kokozedman | gkiagia, should i then compile from the trunk? |
| 15:51.30 | kokozedman | 'cause i'm already checking-out right now |
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| 15:54.12 | foxnsox | hey there, I am having issues with a new installation of kde4 on freeBSD. atm when I click on the display icon in system settings it crashes with a sigsegv signal. Any suggestions where to start trying to debug what is happening? |
| 15:54.14 | gkiagia | kokozedman: yeah, it is fixed in trunk and in the 4.1 branch (so 4.1.1 should have the fix). but the easiest way is to downgrade qt |
| 15:54.19 | jspzy | hi again |
| 15:54.29 | jspzy | how is everyone?? |
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| 15:55.21 | Murray_B | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.39 | kc8hfi | who kc8hfi__ |
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| 15:57.02 | kokozedman | gkiagia, which package in the trunk exactly? |
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| 15:57.34 | kokozedman | 'cause i rarely upgrade QT, i prefer it to be always latest when i upgrade, and only upgrade after a long time again |
| 15:58.04 | bushwacker | Hello, I have downloaded a theme off of kde-look.org. I extracted the files, and it contains a lot of other files. One of them is named dekorator. Should I be in that directory when I compile? |
| 15:58.18 | bushwacker | Dekorator is a directory, not a file* |
| 15:58.43 | gkiagia | kokozedman: kdebase/workspace contains the fix (it's in plasma) |
| 15:59.11 | kokozedman | ok, i'm already updating that one :) |
| 15:59.19 | kokozedman | gkiagia, thanks for letting me know |
| 15:59.38 | bushwacker | does anyone know? It's KDE 3.5 |
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| 16:01.05 | gkiagia | bushwacker: yes, enter that directory and compile it |
| 16:01.21 | bushwacker | gkiagia: thank you |
| 16:01.30 | bushwacker | I just do ./configure and then make ? |
| 16:02.06 | gkiagia | bushwacker: yes |
| 16:02.11 | bushwacker | ok, thank you |
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| 16:07.59 | jimi_home | hey all, does anyone know if konqueror or dolphin have a plugin to allow copy - paste as link? |
| 16:08.21 | jimi_home | i've got a folder of images that i'm going to be turning into movies for a dvd, and i would like to make categories of them |
| 16:08.39 | jimi_home | rather than copy duplicates, i'd like to just make links to the main folder |
| 16:09.33 | jimi_home | so, i'd like to select my images from the main folder, hit copy, then go over to the new folder and say "Paste as Links" |
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| 16:09.51 | bushwacker | It wouldnt compile |
| 16:09.59 | bushwacker | says: No such file |
| 16:10.11 | bushwacker | -bash: ./configure: No such file or directory |
| 16:11.34 | jimi_home | nm, i found it :) |
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| 16:11.43 | jimi_home | just drag and drop, and you get the option to link instead of copy |
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| 16:12.50 | Half-Left | bushwacker: No configure? |
| 16:13.27 | _Angelus_ | guys can anyone tell me why my user is not shown by kde4 ? |
| 16:13.32 | bushwacker | No |
| 16:13.35 | _Angelus_ | my girlfriends user is shown, but mine no |
| 16:14.12 | Half-Left | bushwacker: Any autogen.sh? |
| 16:14.45 | bushwacker | nope |
| 16:15.03 | bushwacker | would you like to see which theme it is? if it helps... |
| 16:15.11 | Half-Left | As I remember that theme is just bitmaps |
| 16:15.36 | Half-Left | I think you need the engine and theme |
| 16:15.42 | bushwacker | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Xaphire?content=76705 |
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| 16:16.48 | _Angelus_ | my girlfriends user is shown, but mine no |
| 16:16.58 | _Angelus_ | please tell me why |
| 16:17.04 | _Angelus_ | i cant even configure my picture |
| 16:17.21 | bushwacker | hmm... maybe it would be helpful if dekorator was installed? lol |
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| 16:17.38 | Half-Left | yes, thats what I said :p |
| 16:19.31 | bushwacker | wonder why KDE didnt bring that in... but then again it was kdebase-meta |
| 16:19.49 | bushwacker | Half-Left: ok, its installed, now what should I do? |
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| 16:20.10 | Half-Left | Can't remember |
| 16:20.50 | Half-Left | I think you just install the theme though it's UI option in the window dec |
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| 16:21.29 | The-Compiler | How can I move Plasmoids in the KDE4-Kicker? |
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| 16:21.52 | bushwacker | Half-Left: windor-decorator window runs off the screen |
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| 16:22.35 | Half-Left | The-Compiler: No such thing as kicker in KDE4 |
| 16:22.46 | The-Compiler | the panel ;) |
| 16:23.21 | Half-Left | bushwacker: In the window deco option in kontrol center, it has it's own UI you cna configure |
| 16:23.52 | bushwacker | Half-Left: the window runs off the screen, it's too tall |
| 16:23.55 | Half-Left | The-Compiler: Just click on the plasma icon and mouse over them |
| 16:24.03 | Half-Left | I have no idea |
| 16:25.24 | bushwacker | Half-Left: it wants an archive, what kind does it want? I need to make the DeKorator file into one |
| 16:26.08 | The-Compiler | Half-Left: YAY, tried the middle button all the time ;) |
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| 16:27.10 | Half-Left | lol |
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| 16:28.07 | Half-Left | The-Compiler: It makes sense to have one option to configure the panel rather than different ways like the old middle mouse |
| 16:29.14 | Half-Left | bushwacker: Ican't remember, all I remember is you load a theme or add the files for each part of the decoratio |
| 16:29.33 | Half-Left | n* |
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| 16:40.27 | derbob | hi there! what's up with bugs.kde.org? |
| 16:41.54 | derbob | is it officially down or is is just me getting weird error messages? |
| 16:42.07 | milliams | It seems to be down for everyone |
| 16:42.24 | SSJ_GZ | Yep, it's down. |
| 16:42.41 | derbob | thx :) does anyone know, what for or how long? |
| 16:43.28 | SSJ_GZ | derbob: I've not seen any announcements, and people in #kde-devel seem quite confused, so I'm guessing it's unscheduled breakage. |
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| 16:43.46 | SSJ_GZ | derbob: Although there has been an upgrade planned for some time. |
| 16:44.45 | derbob | SSJ_GZ: ok... i also tried to find announcements but failed, so i came here ;) |
| 16:45.26 | derbob | well then, thanks, lets hope the bring it up soon... bye! |
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| 16:49.10 | FiNeX | hi |
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| 16:54.13 | hossam | hiiiiiiiii |
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| 16:54.52 | yao_ziyuan | silly question: do you guys think kde4 is prettier than mac? |
| 16:55.07 | hossam | nooooooo |
| 16:55.14 | yao_ziyuan | why? |
| 16:55.35 | hossam | mac is most strong o.s |
| 16:55.39 | hyper_ch | beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder |
| 16:55.48 | Lenolium | I think kde4 is prettier than osx |
| 16:55.50 | boom1992 | yao_ziyuan: we do ;) |
| 16:55.54 | hossam | kde4 have many problems |
| 16:56.03 | hyper_ch | so has os x |
| 16:56.07 | yao_ziyuan | i also think kde4 is prettier than mac |
| 16:56.14 | boom1992 | hossam: don't irc as root ;) |
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| 16:56.24 | hossam | why |
| 16:56.31 | boom1992 | hossam: security?! |
| 16:56.45 | hyper_ch | hossam: why do you think you are required to run irc as root? |
| 16:56.52 | Half-Left | boom1992: Your name fits that :p |
| 16:57.02 | hossam | iam system engineer |
| 16:57.04 | boom1992 | Half-Left: lol :D |
| 16:57.18 | Half-Left | Run as root in IRC, BOOM!! |
| 16:57.51 | hossam | i dont think soo |
| 16:58.00 | hyper_ch | system engineers runs irc as root.... hmmmm.... I wouldn't wnat my system engineered then ;) |
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| 16:58.34 | hossam | lol |
| 16:58.51 | ArkadiusBo | hossam: are you running KDE right now? |
| 16:58.58 | hossam | yap |
| 16:59.02 | ArkadiusBo | WOW |
| 16:59.07 | hossam | and kde4 |
| 16:59.16 | ArkadiusBo | as root? |
| 16:59.29 | yao_ziyuan | i'm looking at a typical mac screenshot: http://library.creativecow.net/articles/wilson_tim/win-mac/shot_mac_cxsetup.png |
| 16:59.33 | hossam | what do u think |
| 16:59.39 | yao_ziyuan | i think mac and kde3 are too bright, too shiny |
| 16:59.40 | Half-Left | hyper_ch: Them Windows people like there crap security :p |
| 16:59.50 | hossam | may be |
| 16:59.51 | yao_ziyuan | shiny and flashy things can easily get you tired |
| 17:00.00 | yao_ziyuan | dazzled |
| 17:00.03 | hossam | aha |
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| 17:01.04 | Half-Left | yao_ziyuan: OS X looks boring after a while, it's not changed it's look much from the aqua since 2000 |
| 17:01.20 | yao_ziyuan | first-time customers can be attracted |
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| 17:01.35 | Half-Left | Even they are tired of it |
| 17:01.40 | lxsameer | all : how can i build kdelib with nepomik? |
| 17:01.54 | Half-Left | How? |
| 17:02.04 | thiago_home | lxsameer: that happens automatically |
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| 17:02.30 | lxsameer | thiago_home : no , not in mine . |
| 17:02.47 | yao_ziyuan | actually mac looks very similar to kde3 |
| 17:03.00 | Half-Left | lxsameer, You need redland or seesame(java and faster) |
| 17:03.15 | yao_ziyuan | both use shiny white and fresh blue |
| 17:03.38 | lxsameer | Half-left : i have theme , i compile them in kdesupport. |
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| 17:03.46 | Half-Left | kDE4 looks nothing like KDE3 lol |
| 17:03.54 | Half-Left | OS X8 |
| 17:04.00 | Half-Left | gah |
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| 17:04.19 | Half-Left | KDE3 looks nothin like OS X |
| 17:04.22 | Half-Left | lol |
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| 17:05.15 | Half-Left | Thats like saying a back phone looks like a black bag :p |
| 17:05.18 | kokozedman | what could be wrong if i try to install plasma (in playground) and compilation fails with: applets/extenderapplet/extenderapplet.cpp:27:27: error: Plasma/Extender: No such file or directory |
| 17:05.40 | thiago_home | kokozedman: plasma in playground? |
| 17:05.59 | kokozedman | thiago_home, yes, playground-plasma |
| 17:06.04 | lxsameer | i do cmakekde for kdebase/runtime and i get http://phpfi.com/344580 in configuration then build proccess stop in75% for an error. |
| 17:06.08 | thiago_home | kokozedman: then the error is expected. |
| 17:06.14 | thiago_home | kokozedman: you're now expected to fix it. |
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| 17:06.31 | wakawaka | hi all. |
| 17:06.37 | kokozedman | thiago_home, lol, but i'm not sure even what to do! |
| 17:06.51 | thiago_home | kokozedman: you're supposed to. |
| 17:07.00 | kokozedman | thiago_home, that's why it's playground hun?! hehehe |
| 17:07.04 | thiago_home | kokozedman: you're building playground, so you should be a developer and know what you're doing. |
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| 17:07.09 | thiago_home | kokozedman: exactly :-) |
| 17:07.13 | wakawaka | I have removed my panel by accident and now I can't restore it |
| 17:07.20 | kokozedman | thiago_home, i see :) |
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| 17:07.48 | rizvan | kdmgreet missing |
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| 17:07.58 | rizvan | kdmgreet crashing |
| 17:08.51 | rizvan | The application unknown (kdmgreet) crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT). |
| 17:09.13 | thiago_home | SIGABRT indicates internal error. There should be a message logged with it. |
| 17:10.17 | rizvan | ok, here are the details:http://rafb.net/p/q61U3n62.html |
| 17:10.59 | thiago_home | not those details |
| 17:11.06 | thiago_home | I meant the line that kdmgreet output just before it crashed |
| 17:11.27 | rizvan | you mean "A Fatal Error Occurred" |
| 17:11.40 | thiago_home | no, the one it output to the terminal |
| 17:11.42 | hyper_ch | Half-Left: when they get root-kitted they'll think about it |
| 17:11.49 | thiago_home | in any case, I can't find a file called IlmThreadPool.cpp |
| 17:12.30 | rizvan | oh, then ilmbase is not installed properly, iguess |
| 17:12.46 | thiago_home | what's ilmbase? |
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| 17:13.59 | Half-Left | hyper_ch: lol |
| 17:14.36 | rizvan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.48 | rizvan | part of openexr |
| 17:14.53 | thiago_home | and why would that affect kdm? |
| 17:15.13 | rizvan | as you've said, kdm is seeking ilm |
| 17:15.35 | rizvan | just, installed it.. i'll report what happend.. thanks thiago |
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| 17:16.18 | thiago_home | kdm doesn't link to ilm or openxr |
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| 17:16.34 | nocturne | hello |
| 17:16.52 | yao_ziyuan | not updating for a long time isn't a problem for a GUI. |
| 17:16.56 | nocturne | qq 1 |
| 17:17.25 | yao_ziyuan | i used kde3 5 months and i've already been bored |
| 17:18.23 | yao_ziyuan | kde3 kicker is too simplistically gradient |
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| 17:18.56 | yao_ziyuan | too vector graphic rather than photorealistic |
| 17:19.59 | nocturne | question ? |
| 17:20.01 | yao_ziyuan | otherwise kde3 is good. polyester style and polyester/crystal kwin can live as long as mac |
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| 17:20.46 | yao_ziyuan | it's kde3's kicker background that made me sick |
| 17:21.10 | yao_ziyuan | i mean even kubuntu's kicker background. |
| 17:21.23 | thiago_home | yao_ziyuan: you mean the one that you can change to anything, including transparent? |
| 17:21.49 | yao_ziyuan | thiago_home: yes, but unfortunately i didn't find any good kicker background on kde-look.org |
| 17:22.18 | thiago_home | yao_ziyuan: set it to transparent and choose a background image |
| 17:23.15 | yao_ziyuan | transparent doesn't look good because when you have a maximized app it seems the bottom of the screen is hollowed |
| 17:23.42 | thiago_home | not if your background matches the exact height of the panel |
| 17:25.06 | yao_ziyuan | kicker transparency can't be used at the same time a kicker background image is used. |
| 17:26.23 | yao_ziyuan | i do love the kde3 style "polyester" which comes with kubuntu |
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| 17:26.27 | thiago_home | who said anything about background image? |
| 17:26.29 | yao_ziyuan | it also has a kde4 version |
| 17:26.31 | thiago_home | use a transparent kicker |
| 17:27.16 | yao_ziyuan | thiago_home: if the kicker is transparent, and you maximize a program, then you feel the kicker is a hollowed space |
| 17:28.09 | thiago_home | 19:23 < thiago_home> not if your background matches the exact height of the panel |
| 17:28.15 | thiago_home | I meant the desktop background |
| 17:29.21 | yao_ziyuan | sigh. let's close this topic. |
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| 17:30.44 | lxsameer_ | how can i find the sesame2 is installed or not ? |
| 17:31.13 | utb_diablo | apt-cache show sesame2 ? |
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| 17:32.05 | Half-Left | You just need java for the sesame2 backend as i remember |
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| 17:32.38 | lxsameer_ | Half-Life: which version of java? |
| 17:32.59 | Half-Left | 1.5 or 1.6 |
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| 17:33.18 | lxsameer_ | Half-Left : what about redland? |
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| 17:33.34 | Half-Left | it's very slow |
| 17:34.12 | rizvan | thiago, i installed ilmbase unnecessarily instead of openexr |
| 17:34.17 | rizvan | causing that crash |
| 17:34.28 | lxsameer_ | Half-Left : is it needed for building nepomuk? |
| 17:34.36 | Half-Left | yes |
| 17:35.22 | Half-Left | If it doesn't find it just wont use it |
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| 17:36.21 | lxsameer_ | Half_Left : when i try to cmakekde in kdebase/runtime everything goes well but in 75% i get an error about xine. |
| 17:36.21 | phoul | hey guys, i have to ask: is there a use for kpowersave on a desktop computer |
| 17:36.55 | Half-Left | lxsameer: Xine version? |
| 17:37.29 | Krooks | KDE-4.2.0 will be ready around end of the year ,right ? |
| 17:37.47 | Half-Left | Phlogi: No, not really, speaks for itself :p |
| 17:37.51 | lxsameer_ | Half-Left : i newly compiled xine-lib-1.1.12 |
| 17:37.59 | SSJ_GZ | Krooks: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule |
| 17:38.13 | Krooks | thanks SSJ_GZ |
| 17:38.13 | phoul | Half-Left: was that ment for me lol |
| 17:38.18 | SSJ_GZ | np |
| 17:38.35 | thiago_home | Krooks: no, next year. |
| 17:38.36 | Half-Left | lxsameer: Try 1.1.13 |
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| 17:39.04 | Krooks | thiago: January next year. ok thnaks |
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| 17:40.21 | Half-Left | yep |
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| 17:44.06 | xenol | hum any ideas what to do, if shortcuts like alt+f1 or pressing PrintScr in order to make screenshot with ksnapshot doesnt work in kde 4.1 ? |
| 17:45.35 | thiago_home | Alt+F1 isn't working for me |
| 17:45.37 | thiago_home | Alt+F2 is |
| 17:46.16 | xenol | alt+f1 should call the application launcher, it is set in shortcuts in systemsettings |
| 17:46.23 | thiago_home | I know |
| 17:46.26 | thiago_home | but it isn't working |
| 17:46.30 | xenol | bug ? |
| 17:47.44 | Rellin | That bug has existed for a long time, not a regression at least, heh. |
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| 17:56.10 | killown | does kde has any autocopy feature? |
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| 17:57.38 | killown | such as let mouse pointer above any link then it's autocopy |
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| 18:00.07 | kokozedman | what am i supposed to do, if i want to set a default style for all my GNOME applications? |
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| 18:00.09 | gkiagia | killown: that would be a disaster |
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| 18:00.43 | kokozedman | i've used a static gtkrc-2.0 file inside ~/.kde/share/config, but after relogin, it was overwritten by something |
| 18:00.58 | gkiagia | killown: except if you mean, select a text and the text gets automatically copied |
| 18:01.12 | gkiagia | killown: that exists |
| 18:01.30 | killown | gkiagia, mouse pointer above link then press any key seted to copy it |
| 18:01.49 | gkiagia | kokozedman: you install gtk-qt engine and you use the systemsettings/kcontrol module that it provides to configure gtk |
| 18:02.19 | gkiagia | killown: no, I don't think this exists |
| 18:02.27 | kokozedman | gkiagia, ok, thank you :) |
| 18:02.35 | gkiagia | and it would not be so easy to implement I guess... |
| 18:02.56 | killown | gkiagia, but it would be very useful |
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| 18:03.29 | kokozedman | and, in Konsole (KDE 4.1) how do i add a profile which is straight-away launches the root user |
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| 18:03.49 | kokozedman | there is only one profile in my Konsole named "Shell", and it's always my login |
| 18:03.57 | kokozedman | i need a 'root' login right-away |
| 18:04.11 | Half-Left | Then type the password in |
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| 18:04.55 | lxsameer_ | Half-Left : can i build sesame2 with j2se 1.4? |
| 18:05.13 | Half-Left | lxsameer_: Not sure |
| 18:05.17 | gkiagia | kokozedman: make a new profile that starts su instead of bash maybe? |
| 18:05.57 | kokozedman | gkiagia, probably :) |
| 18:06.00 | kokozedman | let me try :) |
| 18:07.15 | kokozedman | gkiagia, yeah! that works :D |
| 18:07.20 | kokozedman | thanks a lot! |
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| 18:10.06 | kokozedman | gkiagia, is there a known bug that causes some of the widgets all over the desktop to sometimes flicker, or don't get redrawn properly (especially with mouse hover) |
| 18:10.21 | kokozedman | gkiagia, it's got nothing to do with the systray, but i get it when using Konqueror |
| 18:10.50 | kokozedman | and always: when editing the panel (when the resize widgets shows-up) |
| 18:11.31 | gkiagia | never seen such a bug |
| 18:11.39 | gkiagia | aah |
| 18:11.48 | gkiagia | I think I know what you mean |
| 18:11.52 | kokozedman | well i see it very often in Konqueror |
| 18:11.59 | gkiagia | yep, known bug... NVIDIA bug ;) |
| 18:12.01 | kokozedman | for example in input boxes |
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| 18:12.23 | kokozedman | ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that's annoying man! NVIDIA is really ssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh! |
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| 18:12.39 | gkiagia | kokozedman: try this and see if that makes a difference http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/KDE4-NVIDIA |
| 18:12.51 | kokozedman | there are lots of bugs that are on NVIDIA |
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| 18:13.25 | Guest14212 | hi room |
| 18:13.52 | kokozedman | gkiagia, i've tried this before, and anyway, my GFX is GeForce 6200, not 8xxx or 9xxx |
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| 18:14.17 | gkiagia | kokozedman: mine is 7600 and it helps |
| 18:14.35 | gkiagia | ok, if it doesn't work... I can't help more |
| 18:14.36 | Guest14212 | who has installed Leopard 10.5 in PC base desktop? |
| 18:14.37 | kokozedman | gkiagia, :) lucky ^^ |
| 18:15.00 | lxsameer_ | Half-Left: (^) |
| 18:15.22 | gkiagia | Guest14212: that's completely out of topic |
| 18:15.27 | kokozedman | why Amarok 1.4 isn't displaying the stars rating anymore under KDE 4.1? |
| 18:16.05 | kokozedman | sorry, the option was altered by KDE 4.1 |
| 18:16.09 | kokozedman | now i see it :) |
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| 18:18.11 | Half-Left | lxsameer_: :) |
| 18:18.13 | Half-Left | ? |
| 18:18.23 | sandsmark | how does one reset the kickoff size? |
| 18:18.51 | sandsmark | (I resized the menu on a large screen, and when I now unplugged it, I can't see the top =) |
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| 18:20.42 | gkiagia | sandsmark: edit the config maybe? |
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| 18:21.15 | sandsmark | gkiagia: which? =) |
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| 18:21.22 | sandsmark | kickoffrc doesn't say anything about size |
| 18:21.37 | gkiagia | sandsmark: isn't it in plasma-appletsrc? I am not sure |
| 18:21.47 | sandsmark | hmm |
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| 18:22.14 | lxsameer_ | Half-Left : i compile kdelibs without nepomuk . for nepomuk , should i recompile kdelibs or nepomuke dir in kdelibs? |
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| 18:25.27 | SpeedyG_ | hi, is it possible with ark to set a different temporary directory then /tmp ? |
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| 18:26.27 | Half-Left | lxsameer_: Just recompile kdelibs |
| 18:26.57 | Half-Left | lxsameer_: kdesupport has what you need for nepomuk |
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| 18:29.24 | CuBe0wL | hi all. had anybody problems with kate, editing binary files? |
| 18:29.33 | lxsameer_ | Half-Left : i compile kdelibs without nepomuk . for nepomuk , should i recompile kdelibs or nepomuke dir in kdelibs? |
| 18:29.40 | CuBe0wL | I can't delete a single letter |
| 18:30.01 | Half-Left | lxsameer_: Just recompile kdelibs |
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| 18:38.24 | kokozedman | gkiagia, do you know what is the gtk-qt package in the Gentoo portage? |
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| 18:39.51 | gkiagia | kokozedman: probably, but you have to make sure it is for the kde version you want it (there is gtk-qt for qt3 and gtk-qt for qt4) |
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| 18:40.09 | ninjaslim | hi guys, what's the size of the memory footprint of kde 4.1 |
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| 18:41.44 | kokozedman | gkiagia, there is no such thing in the portage |
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| 18:42.01 | gkiagia | kokozedman: well, I use debian, I don't know about gentoo |
| 18:42.01 | kokozedman | i've searched for gtk-qt (QT4) |
| 18:42.13 | kokozedman | gkiagia, ok |
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| 18:43.36 | _motti_ | hi all. I'm looking for kde4 documantation. is there any? |
| 18:44.07 | lemma | _motti_: yes, there is. what kind of documentation are you looking for? |
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| 18:45.29 | gkiagia | ninjaslim: I'd say it's about 90-100 MB currently here (without the Xorg memory usage...) |
| 18:45.54 | ninjaslim | is that with graphical effects enabled, also could i see a screenshot of your desktop if possible |
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| 18:47.36 | kokozedman | gkiagia, for your information, in Gentoo, it is 'gtk-engines-kde4' |
| 18:47.57 | ChALkeR | Does anyone know a workaround for bug #161588? |
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| 18:49.09 | lemma | ChALkeR: I might but unfortunately bugs.kde.org is offline right now so I can't even check what that bug is about |
| 18:49.11 | ChALkeR | It is a problem automounting flash volumes via hal with New Device Notifier. |
| 18:49.34 | lemma | ChALkeR: what is the problem? |
| 18:49.41 | ChALkeR | It does't respect codepage and charset settings. |
| 18:50.04 | ChALkeR | So all non-english symbols are seen as ?. |
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| 18:50.41 | ChALkeR | There was a patch on bugs.kde.org, but it is down now. |
| 18:51.32 | ChALkeR | lemma: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bug/199165 - the same bug discussed on launchpad |
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| 18:54.08 | kokozedman | gkiagia, do u know what am i supposed to install to get rid of the warning "Qt4 theme is not installed; it is impossible to apply KDE style to GTK"? |
| 18:55.04 | lemma | ChALkeR: sorry, I fear I don't know a solution to that. bugs.kde.org should be back soon though (we all hope) |
| 18:55.26 | sandsmark | bugs.kde.org is up? |
| 18:55.41 | gkiagia | sandsmark: sort of |
| 18:55.51 | gkiagia | kokozedman: no idea, but you could use a native gtk theme |
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| 18:56.35 | kokozedman | oh, ok, let me test that with this XCHAT |
| 18:57.01 | Vlad | hi all! i have a question... xbacklight works fine for me but... is there any applet (with a scrollbar) for kde? |
| 18:57.10 | Vlad | thank you! |
| 18:57.20 | sandsmark | powerdevil supports it |
| 18:57.25 | sandsmark | or kde4 or kde3? |
| 18:57.46 | Vlad | 3.5 |
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| 18:58.40 | ChALkeR | lemma: bugs.kde.org got up with a new style ) |
| 18:58.48 | ChALkeR | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161588 |
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| 18:59.22 | kokozedman | gkiagia, works great :D |
| 18:59.26 | _motti_ | lemma, basic one. I remember I managed to activate desktop effects last time and couldn't now, I'm used to linux but one to find out about some special features. |
| 18:59.42 | ChALkeR | Hm. Some of the data from bugs.kde.org is missing... |
| 18:59.46 | ChALkeR | Recent posts. |
| 19:00.11 | lemma | ChALkeR: that's because the migration isn't finish yet. I guess the database migration is still running |
| 19:00.20 | lemma | ChALkeR: sorry, I still don't know a workaround :( |
| 19:00.37 | ChALkeR | Ok. |
| 19:00.41 | lemma | _motti_: try docs.kde.org |
| 19:01.12 | lemma | _motti_: you can activate the effects in system settings -> desktop -> desktop effects |
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| 19:01.26 | FiNeX | is back |
| 19:01.28 | _motti_ | I tried it, it didn't work |
| 19:01.30 | _motti_ | :( |
| 19:02.02 | _motti_ | I'm talking about desktop effects |
| 19:02.42 | _motti_ | also, is there a way I can add a castumized lounching button (say for oppenning a specific pdf file) |
| 19:02.49 | Shirakawasuna | is there any chance of kwin4 ever allowing pixmap themes? Perhaps even soon-ish? |
| 19:03.09 | Shirakawasuna | I have a pixmap theme I'd love to see work natively w/ kde4 (right now it's emerald)... |
| 19:03.14 | lemma | _motti_: you should be able to just drag the pdf file to where you want the button (eg. on the desktop or the panel) |
| 19:04.01 | _motti_ | ok. and what if I want an application louncher? |
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| 19:08.00 | lemma | _motti_: hm... sorry, I don't know either. it might work by dragging the application. I think you can also drag from the kickoff menu to the panel |
| 19:08.10 | lemma | _motti_: but I'm not sure what to do when dragging is hard :) |
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| 19:08.58 | _motti_ | ok, here is another one. I added a tag to a pdf file and now I want to change it. I can't do so :( |
| 19:09.42 | _motti_ | also, I noticed there is no podcast manager in amarok, what can I use instead? |
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| 19:26.39 | nikolam | hi |
| 19:26.58 | nikolam | how to make keyboard layout shortcut to work in kde? |
| 19:27.28 | nikolam | Like.. I want to switch between input languages with Alt+Shift |
| 19:28.01 | nikolam | I selectd that option in Keyboard layout in control panel, but it does not work |
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| 19:29.02 | nikolam | I use xandros linux on eeepc in kde mode, kde version is 3.4.2 |
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| 19:36.04 | blauzahl | nikolam: it is in there somewhere. i managed to get it |
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| 19:37.59 | nikolam | Peripheral Devices> Keyboard Layout> Xkb Options and i selected Alt+Shift changes group. And nothing |
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| 19:38.44 | nikolam | Maybe I should select reset old options |
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| 19:39.35 | nikolam | Ctrl+Alt+K works but only once |
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| 19:44.33 | Walzmyn | Does Kontact-kde4 have the ability to add extra calanders yet? |
| 19:45.03 | sandsmark | you mean calendar sources, or? |
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| 19:57.30 | gkiagia | nikolam: you have to configure keyboard layouts in xorg and turn them off from the control center |
| 19:57.41 | gkiagia | nikolam: and use kkbswitch for an indicator |
| 19:57.53 | gkiagia | wonders how many times will answer to this question |
| 19:58.06 | gkiagia | maybe I should put this in techbase |
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| 20:05.23 | simcop2387 | is it currently possible to have alt+tab do ALL windows on all desktops in 4.1, or am i just blind and overlooking it? |
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| 20:10.40 | gmartyn | simcop2387: haven't tried it, but maybe window behavior => focus => Traverse windows.. |
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| 20:12.29 | smatt454 | will there be a way to use kde3 in 8.10? |
| 20:12.58 | gmartyn | ask in #ubuntu |
| 20:13.10 | gmartyn | or kubuntu |
| 20:13.27 | smatt454 | i did, thought i'd try here |
| 20:14.16 | simcop2387 | gmartyn: that was it, thanks |
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| 20:19.07 | Walzmyn | Does Kontact-kde4 have the ability to add extra calanders yet? |
| 20:22.30 | lemma | Walzmyn: afaik yes. I haven't clicked the "Ok" button to finally add it, but everything leading up to that point worked as expected |
| 20:22.44 | lemma | Walzmyn: oh wait, do you mean kontact or the calendar application? |
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| 20:24.03 | root | oi |
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| 20:24.52 | thigas | brazil |
| 20:25.01 | pinotree | english please |
| 20:25.24 | thigas | no speak english |
| 20:25.48 | thigas | canal for brazil please |
| 20:26.45 | thigas | ae |
| 20:27.02 | Walzmyn | lemma, sorry was distracted, I meant the calendar app inside kontact |
| 20:27.34 | Walzmyn | !brazil |
| 20:27.40 | Walzmyn | frowns |
| 20:27.44 | thigas | ok |
| 20:27.56 | lemma | Walzmyn: I think that one has several calendars. at least it seemed to work for me |
| 20:28.02 | Walzmyn | thiago, no, i was looking to see if this room had a bot |
| 20:28.17 | Walzmyn | lemma, hmm, i can't find the place to add them |
| 20:28.32 | lemma | Walzmyn: I was just right-clicking on the list of calendars |
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| 20:29.03 | lemma | Walzmyn: or use system settings -> advanced -> KDE resources |
| 20:29.27 | Walzmyn | lemma AH! the calendars was hidden. I like this new look, but the little dots to move things are too damn small |
| 20:29.50 | lemma | Walzmyn: true, they are hard to spot in this case |
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| 20:30.12 | Walzmyn | 'course never knowing what the thing is going to look like when i start it up is anoying too, it's like it can't remember my settings |
| 20:30.38 | lemma | strange |
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| 20:37.46 | thigas | PLEASE |
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| 20:43.03 | Walzmyn | ok, now that i've got my new work calendar - how do i move existing events over to it? |
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| 20:51.30 | jrick | whenever I try to open Konsole (KDE 4.1), it opens, but immediatelly closes. Here is the error I get if I run it from xterm: http://pastebin.com/m3faddc14 |
| 20:51.41 | jrick | any help? |
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| 20:53.43 | Dan39 | how do i save session in kde4? |
| 20:54.42 | Assurbanipal | Dan39, there's an option in system settings i think for that |
| 20:55.08 | Dan39 | option to load the manually saved session, but not button to actually manually save the session... |
| 20:55.37 | Dan39 | seems like its ....missing |
| 20:55.45 | Assurbanipal | Dan39, it automatically saves the last session in order to load it.it saves it when u log out |
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| 20:56.35 | Dan39 | i dont want it to load the last session, i want it to load the manually saved session. get it? |
| 20:56.48 | Dan39 | maybe kde4 is just lacking the feature |
| 20:57.11 | Assurbanipal | Dan39, sorry mate i don't know... i tried to help though... |
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| 20:57.16 | Dan39 | thanks |
| 21:01.28 | |gunni| | Dan39: Yes, that feature does not seem to be implemented, yet |
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| 21:01.57 | RingtailedFox | hiya, i have a question related to programs starting up when KDE loads.... how do i keep a certain program from loading up when it starts up? i want it to load only when i need it to. |
| 21:02.25 | |gunni| | Dan39: Maybe you can try to let the session automaticaly be saved, and next time you start with that session change the setting to manual |
| 21:02.28 | thiago_home | don't leave it running when you log off |
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| 21:02.55 | RingtailedFox | i closed it before logging off |
| 21:03.03 | sourcemaker | is kde4 running on FreeBSD? |
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| 21:03.15 | RingtailedFox | the program in question is Google Desktop for linux |
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| 21:06.12 | RingtailedFox | so, no one knows the answer? |
| 21:06.40 | thiago_home | sourcemaker: yes, but barely |
| 21:06.56 | thiago_home | RingtailedFox: like I said, don't leave it running when the session saves. |
| 21:07.04 | thiago_home | RingtailedFox: the session saves, by default, when you log out. |
| 21:07.11 | thiago_home | RingtailedFox: you can change that to save manually, or never. |
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| 21:07.42 | sourcemaker | thiago_home: I am not really sure... but i think that FreeBSD is running mutch more stable than kubuntu :-) |
| 21:07.56 | thiago_home | sourcemaker: not where KDE 4 is concerned |
| 21:08.08 | sourcemaker | thiago_home: I have used it some times ago |
| 21:08.17 | thiago_home | sourcemaker: with KDE 4? |
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| 21:08.20 | pusling | a/win 32 |
| 21:08.34 | sourcemaker | thiago_home: no... with kde3... and it was really rock solid stable |
| 21:08.47 | thiago_home | sourcemaker: true, but that doesn't translate to KDE 4. |
| 21:09.12 | thiago_home | especially since most developers don't test with FreeBSD -- ever. |
| 21:09.21 | thiago_home | so there are latent bugs everywhere waiting to be discovered. |
| 21:09.37 | thiago_home | I have no doubt once again FreeBSD/KDE4 will be very stable. But it's just not there yet. |
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| 21:13.13 | sourcemaker | thiago_home: ok thanks |
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| 21:45.54 | jacekowski | hi |
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| 21:46.05 | jacekowski | is there any fix for that crashing flash under konqueror? |
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| 21:47.14 | thiago_home | no, adobe hasn't published any fix yet |
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| 21:48.08 | jacekowski | but why it doesn't crash on firefox |
| 21:49.19 | thiago_home | that's because adobe only tests firefox |
| 21:49.24 | thiago_home | they don't care if it breaks in konqueror |
| 21:49.45 | sandsmark | nor in opera, for that matter |
| 21:50.14 | jacekowski | but it works |
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| 21:50.28 | jacekowski | so what's the problem to fix it on any other browser |
| 21:50.41 | thiago_home | beats me |
| 21:50.41 | thiago_home | Adobe doesn't care |
| 21:50.51 | thiago_home | and they don't release the source, so we're trying to fix by shooting blind. |
| 21:50.56 | thiago_home | sometimes we hit, most of the times we don't. |
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| 22:00.13 | ray_ | hi all |
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| 22:01.36 | rizvan | solid user interface server - not running? dbus and hald both are running |
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| 22:02.10 | rizvan | inserting cdrom isn't popping the "device notification" |
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| 22:02.43 | rizvan | using kde 4.1.62, qt 4.4.1, frugalware current |
| 22:03.25 | Walzmyn | how do ya change an existing event from one calendar to another in kontact? |
| 22:03.39 | anom01y | anyone know why whenever I reset the computer kmix has a 50/50 chance of loading the correct levels/input controls ? |
| 22:04.04 | anom01y | I reset 3 times, and 2 of those times kmix only showed a few volume controls and no inputs |
| 22:04.20 | anom01y | so I reset again, and now it shows all 20 or so plus all the inputs that it should |
| 22:05.08 | rizvan | kmix saves it's setting on logging out |
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| 22:08.34 | anom01y | rizvan: ok, so if it saved its settings from having hardly any levels, why would it all of a sudden load all the correct levels when I rebooted again ? |
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| 22:09.15 | anom01y | its either working or not working, if its not working I just reset a few times until it works (by works I mean showing all levels/input) |
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| 22:20.31 | menace | will there be programs/functions, which convert my with kde-3.5.x-data to kde-4.x-data? |
| 22:20.48 | menace | i ask because of the changes of the backend... |
| 22:20.49 | thiago_home | no need |
| 22:20.52 | thiago_home | it's the same formrat |
| 22:20.54 | thiago_home | format |
| 22:21.01 | thiago_home | except for a few applications |
| 22:21.08 | menace | i thought, KDE will use *SQL for storage? |
| 22:21.11 | menace | which applications? |
| 22:21.35 | thiago_home | I don't remember off-hand |
| 22:21.38 | thiago_home | they are a minority |
| 22:21.45 | thiago_home | SQL? No, not at all. Nothing has changed. |
| 22:21.53 | jacekowski | amarok |
| 22:22.14 | jacekowski | but amarok was using sqlite long time before kde4 |
| 22:22.24 | thiago_home | that's one example of the minority that doesn't import settings from KDE 3 |
| 22:23.04 | menace | so, data from programs like kmail, kontact, akregator will stay the same? because the messaging-device named akonadi will be introduced |
| 22:23.24 | thiago_home | no |
| 22:23.26 | menace | ok |
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| 22:23.35 | thiago_home | they are the same now, but there's no guarantee that when akonadi comes, they will remain |
| 22:23.38 | thiago_home | the same I mean |
| 22:25.07 | menace | as long as there will be converters, this is no problem.. if there will be any.. =) |
| 22:25.59 | Walzmyn | I like the new look of things in KDE4, but I wish Kcalendar made the entire event, not just the edge the assigned color - is there a way to do this or is it being considered? |
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| 22:35.05 | hibread | has anyone had issues with icons disappearing? Booted up this morning, and half of them are gone... |
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| 22:35.15 | I-C-Wiener | hmm, looks like most icon names where renamed in kde4 so my icon theme does no longer work :( |
| 22:35.39 | hibread | I-C-Wiener: are you answering to me, or have you got the same issue? |
| 22:35.39 | gmw | hey there |
| 22:35.39 | I-C-Wiener | is there maybe some script or something to rename/move icons? |
| 22:35.49 | gmw | i have a question about emerge for windows |
| 22:35.53 | I-C-Wiener | I got an own issue |
| 22:35.58 | I-C-Wiener | oh sorry |
| 22:36.03 | hibread | I-C-Wiener: so its a kde4 issue hey? |
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| 22:36.22 | gmw | when i set the compiler to mingw, do i still need the platfrom sdk? |
| 22:36.22 | hibread | im running kde3 |
| 22:36.22 | sandsmark | I-C-Wiener: kde has started using the freedesktop icon naming standard in kde4 |
| 22:36.27 | I-C-Wiener | didn't see you have an icon-issue too :) |
| 22:36.54 | hibread | i do have kde4 emerged, but running kde3 |
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| 22:37.13 | I-C-Wiener | hibread: using gentoo? |
| 22:37.18 | hibread | yeeep |
| 22:37.32 | I-C-Wiener | then check you ~/.kde symlink |
| 22:37.51 | I-C-Wiener | it should point to ~/.kde3.5 when using kde3.5 |
| 22:38.25 | hibread | .kde -> .kde3.5/ |
| 22:38.27 | hibread | seems ok |
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| 22:38.59 | pinotree | gmw: â #kde-windows |
| 22:39.04 | gmw | pino thx |
| 22:39.22 | hibread | do you need that symlink to point to the 4.0 version when running/installing kde4 ? |
| 22:39.48 | I-C-Wiener | depends on what you emerged |
| 22:40.12 | hibread | what could i have emerged that stuff things up? |
| 22:40.43 | hibread | or maybe more to the point, what could i re-emerge to fix things? |
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| 22:40.50 | I-C-Wiener | I've emerged the unofficial overlay version so it should point to ~/.kdesvn |
| 22:41.33 | I-C-Wiener | but there is some script taking care about the symlink and some other stuff somehow |
| 22:41.35 | hibread | ah ok fair enough. I totally forgot that .kde symlink existed.. should i be changing the link regarding the version im running? |
| 22:42.16 | I-C-Wiener | dunno, there's some magic behind it |
| 22:42.45 | hibread | pretty annoying though. Would re-emerging kde3.5 components get my icons back? |
| 22:42.52 | I-C-Wiener | at least it worked for me until I started using kde-apps from withing e16 |
| 22:42.59 | I-C-Wiener | -g |
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| 22:44.24 | I-C-Wiener | currently my icon theme bothers me and I was hoping that someone had the same problem and came up with some script to fix it |
| 22:44.33 | drantin | hibread: have you checked what happens if you `mv ~/.kde3.5 ~/.kde3.5-old` ? |
| 22:44.37 | drantin | and then start kde? |
| 22:44.42 | I-C-Wiener | actually most icons just renamed or moved to another folder |
| 22:45.04 | I-C-Wiener | so it shouldn't be to hard to import icons from kde3 |
| 22:45.08 | hibread | drantin: just to test to see if they're working again? That'll do some pretty catasrophic stuff wont it? :) |
| 22:45.57 | hibread | drantin: ill try though :) |
| 22:46.00 | drantin | hibread: it'll create a new ~/.kde3.5 folder with a default configuration, if you want the old one back, just rm ~/.kde3.5; mv ~/.kde3.5-old ~/.kde3.5` |
| 22:46.18 | hibread | drantin: yep yep no worries, ill see what happens |
| 22:46.28 | drantin | hibread: just to see if it's a bad config folder thats messing with the icon |
| 22:46.30 | drantin | s |
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| 22:47.14 | I-C-Wiener | If you installed your icons in that folder they'll be gone of course |
| 22:47.38 | I-C-Wiener | check ~/.kde3.5/share/icons |
| 22:47.54 | drantin | no, they'll be in the old folder, since it was mv'ed and not rm'ed... |
| 22:48.03 | drantin | and he's already logged off |
| 22:48.17 | I-C-Wiener | damn |
| 22:48.40 | drantin | so... he was trying to store icons in ~/.kde3.5 ? |
| 22:48.48 | drantin | I must have missed that part of the conversation... |
| 22:49.00 | drantin | I thought he was complaining that all his icons were gone |
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| 22:51.33 | I-C-Wiener | still I need some monkey to write a list with the new icon-filenames |
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| 22:53.00 | hibread | same deal guys. Many missing icons |
| 22:53.07 | hibread | even the "folder" icon is missing |
| 22:53.32 | hibread | reinstalling kde3.5 may help? |
| 22:54.05 | I-C-Wiener | hmm |
| 22:54.41 | I-C-Wiener | try to reemerge kde-artwork first |
| 22:54.51 | hibread | I-C-Wiener: cheers ill try |
| 22:55.11 | I-C-Wiener | I think I had a similar issue once, but I'm not quite sure if is was exactly the same |
| 22:55.48 | hibread | errr |
| 22:55.55 | hibread | something strange is going on (well for me anyway) |
| 22:57.32 | hibread | http://rafb.net/p/CXbIiv60.html |
| 22:58.13 | drantin | you aren't using the meta's? |
| 22:58.26 | drantin | or you are and that's the problem |
| 22:58.42 | hibread | err.. yeah thought i was using metas |
| 22:58.50 | ninjaslim | *reemerge* |
| 22:58.51 | drantin | try re-emerging the kdeartwork-meta |
| 22:58.54 | ninjaslim | what's that about? |
| 22:59.01 | drantin | gentoo |
| 22:59.01 | hibread | oh right, -meta |
| 22:59.15 | ninjaslim | drantin: i thought we were on FreeBSD |
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| 22:59.38 | drantin | because you have all the little packages provided by the split metas that block the normal package... |
| 23:00.01 | hibread | drantin: no worries, sorry i thought that was the meta package |
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| 23:00.10 | drantin | those were called monolithic ebuilds? can't recall for certain |
| 23:00.35 | drantin | I'm using the sets with genkdesvn atm... |
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| 23:02.31 | hibread | now that ive re-emerged that package, i guess i have to re-login? |
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| 23:06.51 | hibread | hmm, still no icons |
| 23:10.32 | hibread | ive changed the theme, and most seem to be there now |
| 23:10.36 | hibread | that'll do |
| 23:10.42 | hibread | thanks for the help guys |
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| 23:12.27 | hibread | weird though. Ive got a kmail quick launch icon and it just appears as one of those blue gears (Default icon). If i configure the button, it shows the right icon (maybe its a different incarnation of the icon i need?) at the top left... |
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| 23:21.44 | hibread | I dont even have smiley face images in kopete!! :( |
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| 23:42.32 | roldyx | hello.. I have kde4.. how do i move a widget??? |
| 23:43.03 | drantin | in the taskbar? |
| 23:43.10 | roldyx | yes |
| 23:43.10 | drantin | click the cashew button off the right |
| 23:43.18 | drantin | then you can drag and drop them |
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| 23:44.10 | roldyx | mmm I can see cashew button.. |
| 23:53.01 | Rellin | So what's the best KDE4 distro? I love the way OpenSUSE works with it (I'm using it right now) but I prefer apt package management. Is there a best of both worlds? |
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| 23:53.27 | roldyx | How do i add cashew button?? |
| 23:53.43 | Rellin | roldyx: unlock the widgets and you will see it. |
| 23:53.45 | drantin | roldyx: turn off the "lock widgets" |
| 23:54.54 | roldyx | my widgets are unlocked |
| 23:55.35 | Rellin | Wait, it's a cashew? Looked like a half ying-yang thing to me. |
| 23:55.55 | william__ | Hello World! rsrs |
| 23:57.33 | guax | did kommander survived in kde4? |
| 23:57.43 | roldyx | Rellin: I am only a cashew buttom |
| 23:58.18 | roldyx | I have only a cashew button on the top-rigth desktop |
| 23:58.59 | Rellin | roldyx: right-click your panel and try to unlock widgets on it? if the widgets are unlocked then you should see it. |
| 23:59.08 | Rellin | roldyx: it will be on the right side. |
| 23:59.46 | Rellin | roldyx: it may be being pushed off to the side by too many widgets possibly or maybe incorrect resolution settings. you could remove the bar and remake it, possibly. |
