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| 02:07.47 | breadstick | Gentoo 2.6.24 r8, KDE 3.5.9, cd autoounting stoped working, havent changed anything for 4 or 5 days, Where to look first? |
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| 02:26.31 | njdube | KRadio no longer works after installing openSUSE 11.0. It worked in 10.3. I've recorded the strange sound I get no matter what frequency I set it to. http://transboinc.googlepages.com/kradio-recording--2008.6.23.21.19.wav |
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| 04:29.27 | anarxist | Hello. Can anybody explain me why KDE3 hangs the machine up? OS is OpenBSD , amd64 arch |
| 04:29.46 | anarxist | in 32-bit arch it works just fine, but not in amd64 |
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| 04:31.54 | J-23 | hi! |
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| 05:15.08 | J-23 | how can I add things to KDE Autostart? |
| 05:15.20 | J-23 | by symlinking to them? |
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| 05:17.51 | J-23 | ok, I found |
| 05:17.55 | Jucato | http://jucato.org/kde/kde-autostart.html |
| 05:18.08 | Jucato | mostly KDE 3, but applies to KDE 4 too. (except that KDE 4.1 will have a GUI for that) |
| 05:18.26 | J-23 | yes, I found Autostart editing GUI |
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| 05:34.23 | luke-jr | hm |
| 05:34.31 | luke-jr | I just noticed KDE is 1 letter off from Kye ⺠|
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| 05:52.22 | gnemmi | hi =) |
| 05:52.33 | sjraarke | Hi all, quick question about kdesvn-build script. WHen I (try to) run it, it comes back with an error |
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| 05:52.46 | sjraarke | Missing right curly or square bracket at ./kdesvn-build line 347, at end of line |
| 05:52.46 | sjraarke | syntax error at ./kdesvn-build line 347, at EOF |
| 05:53.53 | sjraarke | But when I look at the script there is no line 347 |
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| 05:56.45 | sjraarke | Last line is 303 : 'global' => { |
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| 05:56.58 | sjraarke | So I'm guessing I must be missing a chunk |
| 05:57.20 | zarvox | sjraarke: does the script include other files? that'll change line numbering |
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| 05:57.52 | sjraarke | zarvox: not that I know of |
| 05:58.00 | hachque | i have dual screens and when I select Desktop Config->Behaviour->Menu Bar at Top of Screen->Current application's menu bar, it seems to jump from screen to screen depending on what screen the application is on |
| 05:58.10 | hachque | it doesn't draw the background on the other screen though |
| 05:58.27 | hachque | however the menu bar to which you can add stuff, spans both screens |
| 05:58.33 | hachque | so it looks very odd. |
| 05:58.55 | hachque | first off, i'd like to remove the part of the menu bar that you can add stuff to (like widgets) |
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| 05:59.15 | hachque | and second, i'd like to make it so that the menu bar only appears on screen 1 |
| 05:59.19 | hachque | and stays there |
| 05:59.25 | hachque | is there anyway i can do this? |
| 06:01.04 | hachque | it seems it jumps to the left (screen 2) when i'm selecting a program that doesn't have a menu bar |
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| 06:01.21 | hachque | and it jumps to the right (screen 1) when i'm selecting a program that does have a menu bar |
| 06:01.31 | zarvox | hachque: sorry, what version of KDE are you using? |
| 06:01.34 | hachque | 3.5 |
| 06:02.08 | zarvox | lemme login to a KDE3.5 session and try to help you out |
| 06:02.15 | hachque | k |
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| 06:04.24 | hachque | arg.. Kopete won't connect to my MSN account either.. :( |
| 06:04.28 | hachque | but i'm sure i can fix it |
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| 06:06.44 | zarvox | hachque: you can adjust panel width as well as which screens they appear on in Desktop -> Panels -> Length |
| 06:07.23 | zarvox | I haven't played with the Current application's menubar ever, so I'm not sure what correct behavior is for that |
| 06:07.38 | hachque | i don't have a Panels section in my Desktop configuration |
| 06:08.02 | hachque | i have Background, Behaviour, Multiple Desktops, Screen Saver and Display |
| 06:08.28 | hachque | oh you mean the panel configuration dialog |
| 06:08.36 | hachque | that only lets me configure the main panel |
| 06:09.09 | zarvox | ah, were you only wanting to configure the application's menu bar? |
| 06:09.40 | hachque | the applications menu bar consists of the menu bar, and a panel just underneath it that you can put icons and widgets on |
| 06:09.44 | hachque | i want to remove the panel underneath |
| 06:09.59 | hachque | and the menu bar jumps from screen to screen depending on what applciation is selceted |
| 06:10.17 | hachque | so yes, i want to leave my main panel as it is |
| 06:10.43 | zarvox | ah, sorry I misunderstood |
| 06:11.27 | zarvox | I don't see a way to do that... |
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| 06:11.37 | hachque | damn, it looks really ugly |
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| 06:11.46 | Dumble | hello world ! |
| 06:12.00 | hachque | especially because you can see the desktop on the screen the menu bar isn't on |
| 06:12.18 | hachque | so there's a widget area stretching across the screen |
| 06:12.28 | hachque | *across the other screen |
| 06:12.40 | hachque | to KDevelop! |
| 06:13.28 | hachque | ... when it finishes downloading ... |
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| 06:21.05 | k1lumin4t1 | does anybody know why amarok fails to play internet mp3 streams? |
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| 06:23.57 | zarvox | k1lumin4t1: works for me. |
| 06:25.07 | k1lumin4t1 | zarvox, try this please: http://chiguire.glove.org.ve:8000/satyagraha.mp3 |
| 06:26.19 | zarvox | yup, that stream works too. |
| 06:26.28 | k1lumin4t1 | :S |
| 06:26.39 | k1lumin4t1 | then what could be wrong? |
| 06:26.40 | zarvox | >_> |
| 06:26.49 | zarvox | you have mp3 codecs installed? |
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| 06:27.09 | k1lumin4t1 | zarvox, it's a fresh amarok install in debian |
| 06:27.17 | k1lumin4t1 | zarvox, it has the codecs |
| 06:28.08 | zarvox | k1lumin4t1: I'm not sure, then. You can play local mp3s, but not streaming ones? |
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| 06:28.19 | k1lumin4t1 | zarvox, yes |
| 06:28.41 | k1lumin4t1 | zarvox, it says "wrong url format" |
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| 06:28.55 | k1lumin4t1 | zarvox, when trying to play the streams |
| 06:29.11 | k1lumin4t1 | zarvox, how do you go with it? I go to "Actions" and then "play media" |
| 06:29.29 | BHATTI | HELLO |
| 06:29.48 | zarvox | hi. |
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| 06:32.36 | Foriskak | I accidentally removed and then readded the task manger and now it holds all windows! No matter what desktop I have selected! How do I make it stop |
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| 06:33.20 | Foriskak | nevermind, finally managed to click through them to select task manager options |
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| 06:52.13 | Foriskak | is phonon required for building kde4 with qt-copy? |
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| 06:54.50 | niac | hi all - in system settings / theme manager, when i change the theme, the system goes down: the mouse and keyboard are inactive, etc. I have to kill the system and boot again. |
| 06:54.53 | niac | what can i do? |
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| 07:03.57 | gkiagia_ | niac: really down? you can't even use ctrl+alt+backspace to kill X? |
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| 07:13.55 | sjraarke | When running kdesvn-build (yes, I have it running now) It shows an error message when processing every module "Unable to configure <modulename> with CMake!" |
| 07:14.32 | sjraarke | Am I missing something? |
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| 07:19.56 | markc | I'm trying to build eatragear/multimedia and /usr/include/ffmpeg is not being found for k3b... any idea how I could include that via cmake ? |
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| 07:24.07 | blauzahl-laptop | is it in your $PATH? |
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| 07:25.21 | markc | blauzahl-laptop: include path? |
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| 07:26.15 | blauzahl | CMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH too, probably |
| 07:26.33 | blauzahl | but make sure your local stuff is first |
| 07:27.24 | blauzahl | then blow away your CMakeCache.txt file in your build dir, and rebuild. and this assumes you're compiling for kde4, and you might want to try #kde-devel instead ;) |
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| 07:31.11 | markc | blauzahl: ah, thanks for that, I'll try -DCMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH=$CMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH:/usr/include/ffmpeg |
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| 07:38.36 | J-23 | How can I move widgets on panel in KDE 4.1? |
| 07:38.55 | jazka | you can't, remove them and add in a specific order |
| 07:38.59 | J-23 | ;/ |
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| 07:41.43 | J-23 | Is it possible to resize positions on Task manager widget? |
| 07:43.27 | blauzahl | if kquitapp plasma; plasma has failed me in trying to restart plasma, any ideas? |
| 07:43.43 | J-23 | killall -9 plasma;plasma |
| 07:44.45 | ct529 | I have a problem with konqueror and dolphin (kde 4): I would like to have the same behaviour as kde3 konqueror as file manager, where you could select some files, then by clicking on the right button of the mouse you had a "copy to" and "move to" option, pointing to the main folders in the present folder and allowing you to navigate down, and copy and move the files to a certain place. |
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| 07:45.10 | pinotree | Foriskak: no, you need phonon fron branches/phonon/4.2 |
| 07:45.13 | ct529 | I cannot replicate the same behaviour, becaue I cannot find the settings in kde4. could you please point them out? |
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| 07:47.37 | ct529 | or do I need to install some additional plugins / extensions in kde4? |
| 07:50.41 | blauzahl | ct529: play with "view modes", but that might not exist yet. i'm not sure what you're looking for really. brain no function at this hour. |
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| 07:51.40 | ct529 | blauzahl: :) |
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| 07:53.02 | ct529 | blauzahl: already looke dinto the view modes, but there is nothing of that sort there |
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| 07:54.53 | sandsmark | ct529: it probably isn't ported yet =) |
| 07:54.58 | sandsmark | maybe you can do it? =D |
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| 07:58.38 | ct529 | sandsmark: :D |
| 07:59.00 | sandsmark | it is probably something they would call a "junior job" =) |
| 07:59.02 | ct529 | sandsmark: with my C++ programming skills, it is probably better if it is never ported ..... :D |
| 07:59.07 | sandsmark | ;O |
| 07:59.08 | sandsmark | :P |
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| 08:00.22 | clau30 | hi. if I review (mark with green/yellow etc) a pdf document in okular, can I just send it to someone else who has okular and he can see what I marked or how does it work? |
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| 08:00.53 | pinotree | not yet |
| 08:01.41 | clau30 | but if I reopen the file in okular locally, I can still see the changes.. |
| 08:02.04 | pinotree | .. and? |
| 08:02.15 | pinotree | i said, not yet |
| 08:02.44 | clau30 | ok.. thanks |
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| 08:08.15 | GeneralCluster | Has anyone heard of a bug in kontact > kaddressbook where contacts can't be modified anymore ? |
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| 08:21.23 | tuxick | ok, so why does kmail insist "no quota is set for this folder" |
| 08:21.35 | tuxick | 'even' squirrelmail reports quota just fine |
| 08:24.32 | tuxick | would really love to see software just work |
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| 08:24.54 | sandsmark | tuxick: so make it work |
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| 08:25.21 | sandsmark | if you are sure the feature doesn't work as it should, file a bug |
| 08:25.29 | blauzahl | tuxick: search bugs.kde.org to see if there's a bug report open, else, open one |
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| 08:48.01 | tuxick | there's a slight problem with that |
| 08:48.06 | tuxick | it's called bugzilla |
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| 08:52.13 | blauzahl | what's wrong with bugzilla? |
| 08:52.20 | tuxick | i honestly think that thing was written to discourage people from reporting bugs |
| 08:52.33 | tuxick | "zarro boogs" |
| 08:53.07 | blauzahl | i have a lovely quote from a certain developer: If you won't take 5 minutes to report a bug, why should i take half an hour to fix it? |
| 08:53.31 | gkiagia | tuxick: yeah, searching bugs.kde.org doesn't result anywhere... |
| 08:53.32 | annma | tuxick: it is in upgrade process, feel free to help |
| 08:53.51 | tuxick | annma: what is? kmail or bugzilla? |
| 08:53.56 | annma | bugzilla |
| 08:54.03 | annma | we need more admins for this stuff |
| 08:54.06 | tuxick | let's hope it can be fixed then |
| 08:54.13 | annma | yeah right |
| 08:54.15 | tuxick | i always thought it was fubar |
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| 08:54.21 | annma | you don't have time I suppose |
| 08:54.28 | tuxick | but granted, the kde people managed to improve it |
| 08:54.28 | annma | just time to complain |
| 08:54.51 | tuxick | pretty much half my time goes to figuring out bugs |
| 08:55.11 | annma | figuring out bugs? |
| 08:55.21 | annma | just ask here for people to reproduce |
| 08:55.31 | tuxick | well can anyone? |
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| 08:55.43 | blauzahl | reproduce a bug? hopefully :D |
| 08:55.45 | annma | I surely help people as much as I can |
| 08:55.54 | annma | and so do other KDE devels here |
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| 08:56.44 | annma | we prefer helping and having a well written bug report than having some vague stuff to try to decipher later |
| 08:56.58 | Jejem | agree |
| 08:57.14 | tuxick | "No quota is set for this folder" |
| 08:57.17 | tuxick | easy enough |
| 08:57.19 | annma | not only do I help reproduce but I also confirm the report when I do |
| 08:57.26 | annma | "quota"? |
| 08:57.29 | tuxick | thunderbird and squirrelmail say there are |
| 08:57.55 | annma | say there are? |
| 08:58.06 | annma | vague, vague |
| 08:58.10 | clau30 | tuxick: you have to provide username and password for your email account |
| 08:58.15 | clau30 | just kidding!!!! |
| 08:58.16 | clau30 | :) |
| 08:58.17 | tuxick | no really???? |
| 08:58.23 | annma | clau30: lol |
| 08:58.41 | clau30 | tuxick: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 08:58.52 | annma | tuxick: and did you try #kontact |
| 08:59.07 | tuxick | ah, different channel |
| 08:59.11 | tuxick | that make sense |
| 09:00.16 | sandsmark | annma: does KDE need more sysadmins? =) |
| 09:00.32 | annma | sandsmark: yes |
| 09:00.39 | annma | indeed |
| 09:00.40 | sandsmark | where to apply? |
| 09:00.47 | tuxick | admin what? |
| 09:00.48 | neuzo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTb1VJOZyLU&feature=related |
| 09:00.51 | annma | sysadmins at kde dot org |
| 09:00.59 | sandsmark | is it a mailing list? |
| 09:01.07 | annma | tuxick: bugzilla, accounts, servers |
| 09:01.15 | annma | sandsmark: no, just a mail |
| 09:01.30 | sandsmark | annma: thanks, I'll mail them and ask if I can help =) |
| 09:01.32 | annma | sandsmark: state your area of expretise |
| 09:01.37 | annma | expertize |
| 09:01.50 | tuxick | naw can't say i have time for that, since i keep running into bugs in software ;p |
| 09:02.43 | annma | poor tuxick |
| 09:02.49 | annma | I thought so |
| 09:02.58 | clau30 | tuxick: freedom of choise is a burden, isn't it?! |
| 09:03.06 | clau30 | *choice |
| 09:03.21 | tuxick | clau30: just a lot of work |
| 09:03.21 | annma | clau30: I was exactly thinking that |
| 09:03.32 | clau30 | annma: lol |
| 09:03.34 | tuxick | but i really really dislike bugzilla |
| 09:03.47 | annma | I really dislike people disliking everything |
| 09:03.59 | annma | what do you propose then tuxick |
| 09:04.17 | annma | now that sandsmark is a new admin, just tell him what to use |
| 09:04.20 | clau30 | that just dislike something to be "rebellious" :) |
| 09:04.28 | sandsmark | =) |
| 09:04.33 | tuxick | i wonder if mantis would scale |
| 09:04.34 | sandsmark | we use RT where I work =) |
| 09:04.40 | tuxick | rt is cool too |
| 09:04.53 | sandsmark | it breaks up threading in mutt, tho =/ |
| 09:05.03 | annma | remember we have to port all the stuff though |
| 09:05.09 | tuxick | a more sensible search interface on bugzilla might be enuogh |
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| 09:05.24 | pinotree | (or also a more clue-provided searcher) |
| 09:05.24 | ELITE_x | bonjour annma :) |
| 09:05.29 | annma | hey ELITE_x :)) |
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| 09:06.45 | tuxick | yup the problem is legacy |
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| 09:07.29 | pinotree | likes this kind of random comments |
| 09:07.39 | pinotree | yay for random comments! |
| 09:07.47 | pinotree | tuxick: in short, what _is_ the problem? |
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| 09:07.57 | clau30 | there shoud be a bot for such comments! |
| 09:08.07 | annma | maybe tuxick is a bot |
| 09:08.12 | clau30 | haha |
| 09:08.15 | pinotree | tuxick: surely, bashing bugzilla and the like won't solve any problem |
| 09:09.59 | tuxick | pinotree the searches/dialogs on bugzilla |
| 09:10.07 | pinotree | they do work |
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| 09:11.34 | oneforall | hey for kde4 does poppler need to be recompiled against kde/qt4 and backwards compat for qt3 ? |
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| 09:11.42 | oneforall | if so what else ;) |
| 09:11.52 | tuxick | it's all those dropdowns, where in some cases there's "unspecified", in some cases there isn't |
| 09:12.12 | pinotree | what are those "some cases"? |
| 09:12.57 | tuxick | "status" for example |
| 09:12.57 | annma | oneforall: it needs to be compiled against qt4 |
| 09:12.57 | annma | (I think) |
| 09:12.58 | pinotree | so what's the problem (again)? |
| 09:13.37 | tuxick | that i usually get 'zarro boogs' |
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| 09:13.52 | pinotree | that means two things: |
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| 09:14.02 | tuxick | yup :) |
| 09:14.09 | pinotree | a) what you are looking for is not actually there |
| 09:14.18 | oneforall | ok anything else beside poppler ? |
| 09:14.19 | pinotree | b) you are not able to search |
| 09:15.13 | wart_ | Hi. I'm looking for a very simple application (like dragbox) that allows me to pipe commandline files into a handler for drag-n-dropping into kde applications. |
| 09:16.17 | wart_ | (And vice versa with xds.) |
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| 09:16.48 | sandsmark | wart_: have you looked on kde-apps.org? |
| 09:17.23 | tuxick | pinotree: correct, i have serious trouble following bugzilla logic |
| 09:17.40 | tuxick | the bit under "software" is nice and clear |
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| 09:17.56 | tuxick | the stuff below is just guessing what it'll do |
| 09:18.07 | pinotree | the question is simple: |
| 09:18.15 | wart_ | sandsmark: I've been googling and kde-apps search of "drag and drop" returns nil. |
| 09:18.18 | pinotree | why are you using stuff you have no idea how to use? |
| 09:18.38 | pinotree | there are two levels of easier search before using the complex query |
| 09:18.52 | pinotree | and no, the logic is pretty clear |
| 09:19.18 | tuxick | really? |
| 09:19.31 | pinotree | yes |
| 09:19.40 | tuxick | so if i don't tag anything under "Resolution", will it find anything? |
| 09:19.42 | pinotree | and if you don't say what *is* the current problem *for you*, the only thing i can say is that the problem is located between your chair and your pc |
| 09:20.05 | tuxick | if i don't fill in anything in "Changes", will it return anything? |
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| 09:20.32 | pinotree | tuxick: read above, please |
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| 09:23.06 | tuxick | ^^^ |
| 09:23.46 | wart_ | From what I can tell, kde implements the XDND and XDS protocals via QT4; and QT4 has some dead simple examples of implementing a basic drag-drop handler, which is why I'm surprised there isn't one out there. |
| 09:24.12 | sandsmark | wart_: write one, then |
| 09:24.19 | sandsmark | =D |
| 09:24.30 | annma | not sure what you want wart_ |
| 09:24.37 | annma | qt-apps.org maybe then |
| 09:25.13 | Trevelyan` | Hi, does anyone know if konqueror's webdavs kio has a way to dump the dav conversion to some log? |
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| 09:26.56 | wart_ | annma: The ability to do an ls ~ | xdnd -export (or whatever) and have the results show up in a little GUI so that (proper) kde apps can drag from them. (And vice verse, e.g. xdnd -import | cp ~) |
| 09:27.09 | wart_ | s/them/it/ |
| 09:27.23 | wart_ | Basically, what Dragbox seems to do for GNOME. |
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| 09:28.43 | sandsmark | I really don't see the use case =3 |
| 09:29.07 | sandsmark | you can drag the contents of the files into an app? |
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| 09:29.42 | wart_ | sandsmark: Yeah, without firing up rox or a full-bodied filemanager. |
| 09:30.18 | sandsmark | uhm, Dolphin is probably more lightweight than Dragbox =P |
| 09:31.48 | tuxick | i don't really understand why this functionality isn't in konqueror itself? |
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| 09:32.22 | annma | nobody needs it hard enough tuxick |
| 09:32.30 | tuxick | sounds useful to me |
| 09:32.37 | annma | when somebody needs something in OSS he/she does it |
| 09:32.46 | wart_ | heh |
| 09:32.52 | annma | if it's not there then nobody wanted it hard ebough |
| 09:33.00 | tuxick | i see :) |
| 09:33.05 | d347hm4n | what is the recommended package manager for kde fedora? |
| 09:33.11 | annma | sounds useful to you but you ar enot prepared to make the effort tuxick |
| 09:33.25 | annma | so not useful enough |
| 09:33.33 | annma | d347hm4n: #fedora |
| 09:33.42 | d347hm4n | damn this is #kde |
| 09:33.45 | d347hm4n | my bad ^^ |
| 09:33.47 | annma | d347hm4n: KDE only ships tarballs |
| 09:33.55 | d347hm4n | >.> |
| 09:33.57 | annma | no worry d347hm4n |
| 09:34.40 | d347hm4n | actually i have something for the #kde |
| 09:35.15 | d347hm4n | why has the "start menu" shortcut been removed from alt + f1 like it was in 3.x |
| 09:35.53 | tuxick | isn't that a thing you can configure yourself? |
| 09:36.07 | annma | d347hm4n: it's not removed, it's just not there yet |
| 09:36.39 | tuxick | heh |
| 09:36.40 | d347hm4n | ok so im looking forward to that then :D |
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| 09:37.17 | mxttie|work | in my case, it works, prolly suse configed it.. |
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| 09:38.17 | d347hm4n | mxttie|work: fedora 9 not got it yet then ^^ |
| 09:38.17 | annma | mxttie|work: what kde version? |
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| 09:38.52 | mxttie|work | annma: i believe 4.0.4 (can't check right now) |
| 09:38.52 | annma | although fedora did a good job of backporting patches from trunk to 4.0.x |
| 09:39.08 | annma | mxttie|work: possible that Suse patched it |
| 09:39.33 | mxttie|work | indeed, i think they did some backporting |
| 09:39.59 | d347hm4n | how do i find my version of kde? |
| 09:40.44 | annma | in aly kde Help menu -> About KDE |
| 09:40.49 | annma | in any kde Help menu -> About KDE |
| 09:40.56 | annma | in any kde app Help menu -> About KDE |
| 09:41.06 | annma | ;) |
| 09:41.15 | d347hm4n | :D |
| 09:41.18 | d347hm4n | 3.5.9 |
| 09:41.32 | d347hm4n | 3.5.9-15 even |
| 09:41.38 | annma | then alt-f1 should work |
| 09:41.44 | d347hm4n | but it has the widgets and kde 4 stuff |
| 09:41.48 | d347hm4n | this is wierd |
| 09:41.54 | annma | hmmm, yes ;) |
| 09:42.04 | annma | you can run kde3 apps in kde4 though |
| 09:42.08 | Jucato | yep |
| 09:42.11 | Jucato | not really weird. |
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| 09:42.14 | annma | my Konversation is from kde3 |
| 09:42.16 | mxttie|work | d347hm4n: you probably checked in a kde3 app |
| 09:42.17 | Jucato | KDE 3 apps running in KDE 4 would report KDE 3 |
| 09:42.54 | d347hm4n | k3b a 4.0 app? |
| 09:43.05 | d347hm4n | nope |
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| 09:43.47 | annma | dolphin d347hm4n |
| 09:44.13 | d347hm4n | thanks |
| 09:44.18 | d347hm4n | 4.0.5 then :D |
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| 09:44.55 | Jucato | annma: do you think Help -> About KDE could be returned to the context menu of Plasma desktop? |
| 09:45.13 | Jucato | s/could/would/ |
| 09:45.20 | annma | probably but too many menus kill the menu concept |
| 09:45.36 | annma | I'd like to find new ways |
| 09:46.04 | Jucato | thinks... |
| 09:46.05 | annma | maybe the panel cashew could have a label with the version in it |
| 09:46.08 | Jucato | ok done thinking |
| 09:46.11 | annma | lol |
| 09:46.16 | Jucato | hehehe |
| 09:46.19 | annma | man! make the effort! |
| 09:46.39 | annma | you're not "average-joe-whining-user" |
| 09:47.10 | Jucato | hah yeah. I'm still thinking... maybe when I get back from a meeting I'll have more thoughts |
| 09:47.37 | annma | nice! |
| 09:47.45 | Jucato | annma: I'm thinking, maybe a part of the Desktop Settings dialog could show that... |
| 09:47.47 | annma | menus are 90's |
| 09:48.04 | annma | hmmm |
| 09:48.10 | Jucato | unfortunately, we're not that far ahead from the 90's... (we're in the 00's :D) |
| 09:48.22 | d347hm4n | radial menu's like in never winter knights ftw |
| 09:48.22 | annma | we're nearly 10's |
| 09:48.35 | annma | d347hm4n: screenshots? |
| 09:48.44 | d347hm4n | ummm |
| 09:48.45 | annma | don't mention stuff people do not know please |
| 09:48.46 | d347hm4n | sec |
| 09:48.57 | Jucato | annma: kde-apps, look for kommando |
| 09:49.00 | mxttie|work | annma d347hm4n : there is some app on kde apps that does that |
| 09:49.03 | Jucato | d347hm4n: radial menus don't always work |
| 09:49.09 | Jucato | mxttie|work: kommando :) |
| 09:49.11 | mxttie|work | lol, you were first Jucato :) |
| 09:49.13 | Jucato | it's KDE 3 though |
| 09:49.16 | annma | I won't install a kde app to look at that guys |
| 09:49.27 | d347hm4n | Jucato: for the future i mean |
| 09:49.27 | mxttie|work | but the kde app thing has screenshots ;) |
| 09:49.28 | Jucato | annma: huh? kde-apps.org :) |
| 09:49.32 | annma | point me to a screenshot and be done with it |
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| 09:49.36 | Jucato | ... |
| 09:49.49 | d347hm4n | Jucato like remove the file edit etc.... and have right click as a radial menu |
| 09:49.53 | annma | my laptop is struggling with space |
| 09:50.05 | Jucato | annma: didn't tell you to install it... I was implying that you browse it :) |
| 09:50.25 | Jucato | unless you're laptop is struggling connecting to a web page :P |
| 09:50.25 | annma | dislikes browsing kde-apps |
| 09:50.43 | annma | I don't like the adverts and the layout |
| 09:50.51 | Jucato | (wo)man! make the effort! you're not "average-jane-whining-user" |
| 09:50.54 | Jucato | :P |
| 09:51.00 | annma | lol |
| 09:51.05 | mxttie|work | hihi |
| 09:51.18 | sukhdev | what is the best instant messenger in kde? |
| 09:51.20 | annma | slaps Jucato for lacking basic respect |
| 09:51.25 | annma | Kopete |
| 09:51.29 | Jucato | annma: http://kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/29514-1.jpg |
| 09:51.33 | sukhdev | at least for googletalk? |
| 09:51.45 | Jucato | sukhdev: kopete again (unless Kopete for KDE 4... that doesn't work) |
| 09:51.57 | Jucato | annma: hey, you were the one who said those very same words! :P |
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| 09:52.06 | annma | the round icons? |
| 09:52.14 | Jucato | annma: the round menu |
| 09:52.19 | p_masho | with kde4.. anyone know how to add a "menu tree" (made my own custom menu -) to the taskbar.. like on kde3 ? |
| 09:52.28 | sukhdev | jucato: i am trying touse kopete but gmail and other jabber not working? |
| 09:52.47 | Jucato | annma: basically you press a key + left click on the keyboard then a radial menu appears where your your cursor is |
| 09:52.54 | Jucato | er.. left-click on the desktop |
| 09:53.13 | Jucato | sukhdev: KDE 3? for googletalk you need qca-tls installed |
| 09:53.39 | sukhdev | ok thanks jucato i willtry that. |
| 09:53.43 | Jucato | sukhdev: http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=57557 |
| 09:53.55 | Jucato | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support |
| 09:53.56 | sukhdev | But i am running letest KDE 4. fedora 9. |
| 09:54.07 | Jucato | ah well.. unfortunately |
| 09:54.14 | Jucato | I did say it doesn't work for Kopete KDE 4 |
| 09:54.29 | Jucato | well at least not google talk specifically |
| 09:54.41 | Jucato | other jabber servers seem to work fine. try asking in #kopete |
| 09:55.32 | sukhdev | Anyway Thanks Jucato. I will try to figure out problem. |
| 09:56.00 | Jucato | sukhdev: you could ask first.. to make sure that there is a hope for your figuring out :) |
| 09:57.17 | sukhdev | I am sorry. My english is not so good. |
| 09:57.36 | sukhdev | I mean , I will try to resolve my problem. |
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| 10:24.56 | seven- | hi, i installed suse 11.0 with kde 4.0 and the screen resolution was perfekt, after install the latest updates the icon and taskbars have the double size, can anyone help me ? |
| 10:26.18 | seven- | btw, xwininfo shows me before and after install the updates 1680x1050 |
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| 10:34.23 | d347hm4n | please map middle click on tabs to ctrl + w >.< |
| 10:34.48 | gkiagia | why okteta doesn't allow me to edit a byte? isn't it supposed to edit files too? |
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| 10:37.58 | sandsmark | gkiagia: only if you have write access |
| 10:38.08 | sandsmark | d347hm4n: it allows me to close tabs by middle click here |
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| 10:39.03 | sandsmark | d347hm4n: http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.08.03/konqueror-tip-of-the-day/ |
| 10:40.35 | d347hm4n | sandsmark:thanks but im in fedora 9 |
| 10:40.48 | sandsmark | ? |
| 10:40.53 | d347hm4n | sandsmark: and they use the dolphi file manager |
| 10:41.00 | d347hm4n | sansmark:which is l4m3 |
| 10:41.07 | sandsmark | dolphin pwns =) |
| 10:41.15 | gkiagia | sandsmark: I have write access. I just installed the good old khexedit and it can edit the same file |
| 10:41.17 | sandsmark | but I don't know if it supports middle click for closing yet |
| 10:41.25 | d347hm4n | not as good as konquror |
| 10:41.29 | sandsmark | gkiagia: then I don't know |
| 10:41.29 | d347hm4n | imho |
| 10:41.56 | sandsmark | d347hm4n: I prefer Dolphin, it adheres better to the Unix (or whatever) principle of do one thing only, and do it well |
| 10:42.33 | d347hm4n | sandsmark: agreed but I like the way it opened txt files into a tab and you could still browse etc... |
| 10:42.55 | d347hm4n | sandsmark: although you are right, it is a very good file manager |
| 10:42.56 | sandsmark | I prefer to open text files in a text editor |
| 10:42.58 | sandsmark | =) |
| 10:43.06 | sandsmark | d347hm4n: well, that's why you still can use Konqueror |
| 10:43.10 | d347hm4n | ya if you just want to look in it quickly |
| 10:43.20 | d347hm4n | yay for choice ;D |
| 10:43.30 | sandsmark | d347hm4n: if you want to set Konqueror as default, go into file associations, inode -> directory, and move Konqueror over Dolphin =) |
| 10:43.51 | d347hm4n | knew that one, had to do it in kubuntu about 6 months ago |
| 10:44.02 | d347hm4n | thanks though for refredhing my memory |
| 10:44.06 | d347hm4n | *refreshing |
| 10:44.07 | sandsmark | ;) |
| 10:44.24 | d347hm4n | learns to type |
| 10:44.30 | sandsmark | ^^ |
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| 11:12.11 | SireCP | y hallo that |
| 11:12.19 | SireCP | I have a question about konqueror |
| 11:12.33 | SireCP | or more particulary, about the copy function |
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| 11:12.59 | SireCP | can I set kde/konqueror to do an 'update' copy instead of a 'full' one? |
| 11:13.00 | chakie_work | is it only me, but does konsole in kde 3.5 have no way of loading "session profiles"? there is a Settings->Save Sessions Profile, but no way to load it |
| 11:13.32 | SireCP | i.e. like using the -u option in 'cp', so it only copies a file when the source is newer |
| 11:13.48 | clau30 | SireCP: afaik, no |
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| 11:15.06 | SireCP | clau30: where should I go to suggest this as an option? |
| 11:15.25 | SireCP | I'm not much of a coder myself hehe |
| 11:15.41 | sandsmark | SireCP: bugs.kde.org |
| 11:15.45 | sandsmark | please search first =) |
| 11:15.47 | clau30 | SireCP: search on bugs.kde.org if there is such a request, and file one if it doesn't |
| 11:15.49 | clau30 | :) |
| 11:15.53 | sandsmark | (use the simple search option) |
| 11:15.55 | sandsmark | clau30: ^_^ |
| 11:16.03 | clau30 | sandsmark: lol |
| 11:16.05 | SireCP | okay, I shallst do that |
| 11:16.08 | SireCP | thanx :) |
| 11:16.12 | sandsmark | =D |
| 11:17.07 | clau30 | chakie_work: true, I can't find it either |
| 11:17.39 | clau30 | SireCP: I'd rather expect that to be an option for dolphin, though (new file manager in kde4) |
| 11:18.02 | clau30 | emm.. option==request |
| 11:18.13 | sandsmark | no, it should be for kio generally, afaik |
| 11:18.47 | chakie_work | clau30: it would be very handy, as i need to have loads of tabs open and prefer to name them |
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| 11:19.10 | clau30 | sandsmark: yeah ok :D |
| 11:19.16 | sandsmark | ;) |
| 11:19.17 | chakie_work | clau30: as i just had my kde die on me i noticed how much work it is to get it all back the way i want it |
| 11:19.19 | clau30 | chakie_work: you can rename sessions (right click) |
| 11:19.41 | clau30 | chakie_work: but saving and restoring.. hm, no idea sorry |
| 11:19.49 | chakie_work | clau30: yes, of course, but i'd like to avoid doing it manually for every crash |
| 11:20.04 | clau30 | chakie_work: well don't crash it! :P |
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| 11:20.51 | tuxick | chakie_work: you want your tabs have names? |
| 11:20.56 | tuxick | echo -ne '\\033];' title '\\007' |
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| 11:21.35 | tuxick | hmm, that used to work :) |
| 11:21.36 | tuxick | sorry |
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| 11:23.58 | chakie_work | tuxick: yes, as i have about 10, all for various builds and with various environment settings |
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| 11:25.34 | tuxick | PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;" title here "\007"' |
| 11:25.41 | tuxick | my notes were broken |
| 11:26.03 | sandsmark | is it possible to scale plasmoids in the panels? |
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| 11:26.16 | tuxick | 'problem' is that konsole takes such stuff from shell |
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| 11:26.33 | sandsmark | I want a cpu monitor in my panel, but it uses half of the space that I would use for the task manager |
| 11:26.34 | tuxick | so i can imagine it's a bit weird to also allow setting via config |
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| 11:51.47 | mazzachre | I have a serious bug/issue on kdewallet! It does not save until closed... In case of poweroutage, crashes, etc where it is not closed properly all passwords saved in that session are lost... For my computer that might be weeks... Could this be fixed? |
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| 11:52.28 | annma | is there a bug report about it? |
| 11:52.32 | annma | mazzachre: ^^ |
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| 11:53.11 | sandsmark | mazzachre: I guess it saves it when it closes it, so you could just close it more often =) |
| 11:53.19 | sandsmark | (as a temporary work-around) |
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| 11:54.24 | mazzachre | sandsmark: Ya... I guess... But then I have to write password all the time because it opens every now and again... |
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| 12:07.39 | sandsmark | my system tray doesn't work in kde 4.0.83 =/ |
| 12:07.43 | sandsmark | it is completely empty |
| 12:07.58 | clau30 | sandsmark: quick, call a sysadmin :P |
| 12:08.03 | sandsmark | :P |
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| 12:08.09 | Half-Left | Damn users |
| 12:08.17 | clau30 | lol |
| 12:08.27 | annma | lol |
| 12:08.32 | sandsmark | ^_^ |
| 12:08.35 | Sho_ | mazzachre: "dcop kded kwalletd sync 0" might work on a cronjob |
| 12:08.36 | clau30 | I hate those damn users, I wish they didn't exist! |
| 12:08.53 | Half-Left | Dont touch the desktop without your sysadmin, told you about it before |
| 12:08.54 | sandsmark | erh... if I add it to the desktop, and resize it up, the icons magically appear... |
| 12:09.15 | sandsmark | Half-Left: haven't you "enhanced" your users yet? |
| 12:10.04 | Half-Left | sandsmark, My users are locked up in chains away from the computer |
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| 12:10.31 | sandsmark | Half-Left: I just thought about tying their hands behind their backs and taping shut their mouths |
| 12:10.44 | Half-Left | lol |
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| 12:11.48 | sandsmark | wants his system tray back... =/ |
| 12:11.58 | Half-Left | readded it? |
| 12:12.28 | sandsmark | ? |
| 12:12.31 | sandsmark | yeah =) |
| 12:12.44 | sandsmark | (I read that as "read-ded it" =) |
| 12:12.51 | Half-Left | haha |
| 12:12.52 | sandsmark | several times |
| 12:12.59 | sandsmark | now it doesn't work on the desktop either =/ |
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| 12:13.30 | Half-Left | sandsmark, upgrade to trunk, that will fix it :p |
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| 12:14.10 | sandsmark | checked out my copy yesterday =3 |
| 12:14.40 | Half-Left | :) |
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| 12:15.31 | sandsmark | there it came |
| 12:15.33 | sandsmark | =) |
| 12:15.34 | sandsmark | relogin helped |
| 12:15.44 | Half-Left | usually does |
| 12:15.58 | Half-Left | or restart plasma |
| 12:16.42 | sandsmark | well, I had to restart all the apps with tray icons, I think |
| 12:17.25 | sandsmark | just an annoying crash left: http://rafb.net/p/nxruRH63.html |
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| 12:20.55 | Greyhound|NB | hi. can someone tell what the command is to open the software manager? |
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| 12:22.15 | Half-Left | Greyhound-, Ask you distro channel |
| 12:22.45 | Greyhound|NB | well I'm in backtrack |
| 12:23.06 | Half-Left | We dont know, we all use different distros |
| 12:23.12 | sandsmark | Greyhound|NB: ask in your distro channel |
| 12:23.18 | sandsmark | backtrack is probably based on something |
| 12:23.50 | sandsmark | knoppix, it seems |
| 12:25.16 | Half-Left | funny, he's just pointed out a issue with Linux :p |
| 12:26.08 | Half-Left | no common command for a package manager :) |
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| 12:26.46 | Harold | 'jour |
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| 12:27.07 | Harold | ya kk1 , |
| 12:27.09 | Harold | ? |
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| 12:29.53 | sandsmark | kekekekeke |
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| 12:30.59 | linuxjoergen | So today is the big beta2 day? |
| 12:31.08 | annma | maybe |
| 12:31.20 | annma | it happens when it's ready linuxjoergen |
| 12:31.54 | pusling | but there was updated tarballs last night, so maybe tnot yet. |
| 12:32.45 | annma | linuxjoergen: maybe not, sometimes things do not work as expected |
| 12:32.59 | annma | pusling: you have to redo the packages then? |
| 12:33.04 | annma | or were they not done? |
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| 12:33.24 | |Ange|us| | why isn't beta 2 out yet? |
| 12:33.37 | |Ange|us| | it had to be out on 24th june 2008 :/ |
| 12:33.52 | pusling | annma: we haven't done the packages, we have been busy with real life ;) - but we will update stuff in the weekend |
| 12:33.54 | linuxjoergen | |Ange|us|: I guess "today" means "today" american time. |
| 12:33.55 | sandsmark | |Ange|us|: it is in the middle of the day here |
| 12:34.10 | tictric | who knows how long this 24th is going to last? |
| 12:34.16 | annma | lol tictric |
| 12:34.23 | annma | good one |
| 12:34.23 | sandsmark | tictric: until the packages are released =) |
| 12:34.37 | tictric | I bet :) |
| 12:35.06 | Harold | euh ya pas de french ici ?? |
| 12:35.47 | annma | #kdefr |
| 12:36.00 | annma | #kde-fr |
| 12:36.09 | annma | Harold: ^^ |
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| 12:36.12 | annma | with the - |
| 12:36.22 | Harold | ok thanks |
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| 12:39.46 | Valentin__ | I got an e-mail in kmail, which i cant delete |
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| 12:40.08 | Valentin__ | Kmail is version 3.5.9 |
| 12:40.15 | annma | only this email? |
| 12:40.20 | Valentin__ | where can i find the file? |
| 12:40.27 | Valentin__ | Yes its only one e-mail |
| 12:40.33 | Valentin__ | Spam mail |
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| 12:42.26 | Valentin__ | annma, can u help me getting rid of this mail? |
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| 12:43.14 | sandsmark | Valentin__: have you tried quitting and starting kmail again? |
| 12:43.17 | sandsmark | is it imap? |
| 12:43.29 | Valentin__ | sandsmark, yes i have |
| 12:43.37 | Valentin__ | it is a pop3 e-mail |
| 12:43.44 | sandsmark | then I don't know |
| 12:43.45 | annma | .kde/share/apps/kmail/mail |
| 12:43.46 | Valentin__ | and its marked as new |
| 12:43.58 | annma | Valentin__: mine is there in kde 3.5.9 |
| 12:44.12 | sandsmark | it used to happen to me every now and then with imap, but then I switched to disconnected imap (and kde4 =) |
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| 12:45.02 | Valentin__ | hmmm how can i identify the e-mail? |
| 12:45.10 | Valentin__ | are they mixed up in one file? |
| 12:45.22 | Valentin__ | ore is each e-mail a seperate file? |
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| 12:45.45 | annma | can't you move it to a new subfolder |
| 12:45.50 | annma | so you could delete it |
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| 12:46.01 | Valentin__ | annma i will try this now |
| 12:46.04 | annma | :) |
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| 12:46.48 | Valentin__ | strange .. it worked :-) |
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| 12:47.04 | Valentin__ | thx annma |
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| 13:21.49 | mick_home | hi everyone |
| 13:22.00 | mick_home | does anyone know how to make konsole's tab have the text of my $PS1? |
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| 13:26.04 | Strangelet | Does a Qt frontend for Blender exist? Or another tool entirely that blends in with KDE's atmosphere? |
| 13:26.40 | sandsmark | Strangelet: ? |
| 13:26.54 | sandsmark | Blender is tightly integrated with it's GUI |
| 13:26.55 | lostson | Strangelet: no there is not |
| 13:27.07 | sandsmark | there are other 3D-applications, and video editors for KDE, though |
| 13:27.08 | Strangelet | And no alternative exists? |
| 13:27.13 | sandsmark | but none as good as Blender, imho |
| 13:27.35 | Strangelet | Oh, could you point me towards those 3d-apps.? |
| 13:28.24 | sandsmark | look at kde-apps.org |
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| 13:30.02 | Strangelet | Okay, thank you |
| 13:30.03 | Strangelet | :) |
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| 13:33.25 | *** topic/#kde by pinotree -> KDE 4.1 beta 2 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/faq/ | Help writing KDE docs: #kde-docs | Bug Squashers in #kde-bugs | Don't flood the channel, use http://rafb.net/paste | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde | http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ |
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| 13:37.28 | welemon | Hi, is it possible to show a Dialog without close button on Window Title bar? |
| 13:38.00 | welemon | I found I can't do that in Qt, QDialog. But I don't know if it is possible in KDE. |
| 13:38.38 | tictric | Oh, June, 24th has come to an end, it seems |
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| 13:39.02 | tictric | And Angelus didn't wait to see it. |
| 13:39.06 | tictric | Poor man :) |
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| 13:43.27 | linuxjoergen | Now I just have to wait for nixternal to build the Ubuntu packages. |
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| 13:50.51 | Silverzrishi | hi all |
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| 13:51.36 | Silverzrishi | hello |
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| 14:02.50 | kdepepo | cool, I got so many icons in systray that they start to cover my clock :) |
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| 14:34.06 | flami | Hi, Im trying to get my printer to work on kde4.0.82 , works without a problem in cups , but KDE thinks it should write a file into my home directory. |
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| 14:34.27 | flami | and I cant find any settings for the printer |
| 14:35.00 | annma | flami: what KDE app? |
| 14:35.02 | pinotree | known Qt problem |
| 14:35.10 | pinotree | http://trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?method=entry&id=214505 and http://trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?method=entry&id=212886 |
| 14:35.11 | flami | ocular |
| 14:36.23 | flami | so QT is convinced that my printer is a virtual printer that only writes files ? |
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| 14:36.40 | pinotree | yes |
| 14:37.24 | flami | its not 212886 , it does find my printer , it has the right name |
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| 14:37.38 | pinotree | your it 214505 |
| 14:37.41 | pinotree | *is |
| 14:38.19 | flami | yep |
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| 14:38.37 | flami | aw jebus now i gotta go back to commandline printing? |
| 14:39.36 | flami | yep doesnt seem as if theres a workaround |
| 14:41.42 | flami | Or is there a way to get rid of the pdf printer? |
| 14:43.13 | flami | I mean the pdf printer doesnt even create a valid pdf, i can't even open it |
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| 14:54.41 | thewhitepelican | does anyone know when in July kde 4.1 is to be released? |
| 14:55.03 | Jucato | search in techbase.kde.org |
| 14:55.07 | Jucato | sorry no link atm |
| 14:56.07 | annma | end of July |
| 14:56.30 | tuxick | with kdepim! |
| 14:56.31 | thewhitepelican | thy annma for answering my question and not pointing me ot a website |
| 14:56.33 | thewhitepelican | :) |
| 14:56.57 | Jucato | fine |
| 14:57.36 | thewhitepelican | j/k :) |
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| 15:01.05 | thewhitepelican | do you folks think it will be ready for general use? |
| 15:01.33 | annma | depends on what you want |
| 15:01.38 | lostson | thewhitepelican: general use differs between each person |
| 15:01.46 | thewhitepelican | this is true |
| 15:02.04 | annma | if you want to spend hours to move your icons on the panel and have it exactly like 3.5 forget it |
| 15:02.09 | lostson | if you are a sysadmin with 100 machines probably not |
| 15:02.24 | thewhitepelican | might keep you hopping then lostson |
| 15:02.27 | thewhitepelican | :) |
| 15:02.30 | lostson | sure would |
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| 15:03.00 | annma | sysadmins are in general happier than single users |
| 15:03.12 | annma | from my experience |
| 15:03.17 | thewhitepelican | personally, I will stick to KDE 3.5, and run kde 4 within virtual box |
| 15:03.34 | lostson | i am using 4.0.5 and it has been very solid some minor things im used to are missing but i think those will come back eventually |
| 15:04.32 | thewhitepelican | and I will wait till those things return |
| 15:05.05 | thewhitepelican | perfect example - no external tools menu item when you right click on an image in gwenview |
| 15:05.09 | lostson | could not resist the allure and pull of kde4 |
| 15:06.30 | thewhitepelican | understood, lostson |
| 15:07.25 | annma | thought GwenView was quite OK |
| 15:09.54 | djouallah | lostson, if you are happy with kde4.0.5 then you will have orgasm with kde4.1 beta 2 ;) |
| 15:10.09 | thewhitepelican | I'd like to open an image in the gimp thank you very much :) |
| 15:10.17 | thewhitepelican | from withing Gwenview |
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| 15:10.41 | annma | thewhitepelican: really? |
| 15:10.55 | annma | is that possible with kde3? |
| 15:11.00 | thewhitepelican | sure is |
| 15:11.02 | thewhitepelican | :) |
| 15:11.07 | thewhitepelican | I do it all the time |
| 15:11.27 | annma | isn't it just a mime type setting? |
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| 15:12.11 | thewhitepelican | not that I'm aware of |
| 15:12.22 | thewhitepelican | maybe I'm leaving something out? |
| 15:12.43 | thewhitepelican | I'm using kubuntu |
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| 15:13.22 | MurielGodoi | Hi all, Anyone noticed that Firefox menu text color at kde is getting the color from standard text and not from window text as desired in apearance? Any idea about how to fix it? |
| 15:13.40 | djouallah | thewhitepelican, witch version of kde u have ? |
| 15:13.58 | thewhitepelican | 4 or 3? |
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| 15:14.27 | djouallah | 4 |
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| 15:14.42 | thewhitepelican | 4.1 BETA 2 |
| 15:14.48 | thewhitepelican | sorry for the caps |
| 15:14.55 | thewhitepelican | lock was on by accident |
| 15:15.10 | djouallah | ok, |
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| 15:19.27 | thewhitepelican | hope you weren't offended Jucato |
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| 15:31.54 | thewhitepelican | sure is quiet in here now |
| 15:33.27 | jsherrill_laptop | is there a way in kde4 to have wallpapers span desktops? |
| 15:33.38 | jsherrill_laptop | currently they are configured apart from each other |
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| 15:33.50 | jsherrill_laptop | and i can't figure out a way to span a wallpaper across my two monitors |
| 15:33.56 | jsherrill_laptop | googled a ton, and didnt' see anythin |
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| 15:35.57 | thewhitepelican | xinerama? |
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| 15:37.24 | jsherrill_laptop | thewhitepelican, currently using nvidia |
| 15:37.26 | jsherrill_laptop | driver |
| 15:37.28 | jsherrill_laptop | with twin view |
| 15:37.42 | thewhitepelican | oic |
| 15:38.01 | jsherrill_laptop | under display it just sees it as one large screen |
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| 15:40.10 | kdepepo | hm, newest svn forces me to set a wallpaper... I cannot have solid color. |
| 15:41.23 | annma | kdepepo: on desktop? |
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| 15:41.30 | annma | kdepepo: svn trunk? |
| 15:41.47 | kdepepo | yep, plasma desktop, it worked two days ago |
| 15:41.47 | annma | "newest svn" means nothing |
| 15:41.56 | kdepepo | compiled yesterday |
| 15:42.10 | kdepepo | from trunk :) |
| 15:42.28 | annma | yesterday when? |
| 15:42.40 | annma | maybe I broke it |
| 15:42.46 | annma | when was it yesterday? |
| 15:42.49 | thewhitepelican | oops |
| 15:42.51 | thewhitepelican | gtg |
| 15:42.52 | thewhitepelican | bbl |
| 15:43.12 | kdepepo | annma, let me look in commit log... |
| 15:43.46 | annma | give me svn revision from svn info please |
| 15:44.38 | annma | in kdebase |
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| 15:45.40 | annma | it's me who broke it |
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| 15:45.43 | annma | damn |
| 15:45.56 | crookshanks | i've noticed that kde4 sometimes applies its theme to GTK apps, even though i've told it not to. any way to fix this? |
| 15:45.59 | annma | it sets the default wallpaper instead of the color |
| 15:46.20 | annma | kdepepo: only me commiteed recently in there and that was yesterday |
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| 15:47.05 | kdepepo | annma, yep, it seems it is your commit "allow to fall back..." |
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| 15:47.43 | kdepepo | I may be the only person in world to hate wall papers :) |
| 15:48.07 | Sput | rarely sees his wallpaper |
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| 15:48.38 | kdepepo | and it just consumes useless resources |
| 15:48.47 | Sput | doesn't care about resources |
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| 15:49.14 | Siddharth | hi |
| 15:49.16 | annma | thanks for spotting it, in any case |
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| 15:49.23 | annma | very good catch kdepepo |
| 15:49.37 | annma | that shows how even a small patch can break other things |
| 15:49.42 | Siddharth | anyone |
| 15:49.57 | kdepepo | annma, are you able to reproduce |
| 15:50.02 | annma | yes kdepepo |
| 15:50.13 | annma | I am wondering how is the color written in config file |
| 15:50.36 | annma | I'll fix it or I'll revert if I can't |
| 15:51.27 | kdepepo | annma, "wallpapercolor" |
| 15:51.36 | annma | ok commenting the lines makes it work again |
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| 15:52.02 | annma | if (!KStandardDirs::exists(m_wallpaperPath)) { |
| 15:52.02 | annma | m_wallpaperPath = KStandardDirs::locate("wallpaper", "Blue_Curl/contents/images/1920x1200.jpg"); |
| 15:52.02 | annma | cg.writeEntry("wallpaper", m_wallpaperPath); |
| 15:52.22 | annma | why does that interfer with color |
| 15:52.31 | kdepepo | annma, if you set the wallpaper, it will be used instead of the color. |
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| 15:52.51 | kdepepo | annma, there should be a new entry "usewallpaper" |
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| 15:52.56 | kdepepo | annma, (bool) |
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| 15:53.22 | annma | wallpaper is for wallpaper and wallpapercolor for color, no? |
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| 15:53.53 | kdepepo | annma, yes, but both can be used at the same time, e.g. for small centered images. |
| 15:54.03 | annma | ouch |
| 15:54.25 | annma | shouldn't the backgroundMode be set then? |
| 15:54.31 | kdepepo | annma, so wallpaper must be empty to show no wallpaper, i.e. only the color |
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| 15:54.47 | annma | so it's only the cg.writeEntry("wallpaper", m_wallpaperPath); that breaks it |
| 15:54.50 | kdepepo | annma, yep... backgroundMode combo is not saved anywhere |
| 15:55.01 | kdepepo | annma, let me look |
| 15:56.14 | kdepepo | annma, I was wrong, it is saved... |
| 15:57.23 | kdepepo | annma, so you should add the following to your patch: if (config.backgroundMode != kStaticBackground && <wallpapernotfound>) { blabla } |
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| 15:58.41 | annma | yes, let's try |
| 15:59.02 | kdepepo | annma, ah the default wallpaper is set before reading backgroundmode.... |
| 15:59.03 | eNTi | hi. sorry, i've asked this yesterday, and but i'm still not convinced, that i CAN NOT configure kget (kde 3.5.9) in that way, that it will ask me in what folder i want to save a file. is this really true? |
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| 16:01.26 | kdepepo | annma, wait... the solid color is not "static mode" but "kNoBackground" |
| 16:01.40 | annma | yes |
| 16:02.07 | kdepepo | I should stop, you are probably more familar with that :) |
| 16:02.10 | djouallah | eNTi, just ask in #kget |
| 16:02.24 | eNTi | djouallah: ok. |
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| 16:03.22 | kdepepo | can we have a #kfind channel, too? Like its a really usefull app that deserves its own channel. |
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| 16:04.57 | kdepepo | annma, ping me if I can "svn up" ;) |
| 16:05.05 | kdepepo | s,if,when |
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| 16:05.34 | annma | kdepepo: it seems to work for me, I'll commit |
| 16:06.00 | annma | you need to be on None to set the color only, right? |
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| 16:06.37 | kdepepo | yep. |
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| 16:07.12 | b4rr0n | I can right-click on an icon in KDE4 to change it.. except for the trash. How do I change that? |
| 16:07.40 | kdepepo | b4rr0n, both full and empty icons? |
| 16:07.57 | b4rr0n | kdepepo: yup |
| 16:08.08 | kdepepo | b4rr0n, there is no gui for this. |
| 16:08.11 | tech9iner | waves moin 2 annma & pinotree cause he misses me so |
| 16:08.18 | eNTi | well sadly. #kget is pretty dead. |
| 16:08.35 | b4rr0n | kdepepo: that's cool. What file do I edit? |
| 16:08.50 | jekader | hi! |
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| 16:08.53 | kdepepo | eNTi, I expected that :) but anyway, if a feature is missing, you could always file a report on bugs.kde.org |
| 16:09.02 | eNTi | c'mon what am i not getting here? how can anyone really use kget, if you can't specifiy a folder to download to? |
| 16:09.10 | kdepepo | b4rr0n, icons are stored in /usr/share/icons |
| 16:09.34 | eNTi | kdepepo: i just think it's a design decission, which i honestly don't understand. |
| 16:09.41 | kdepepo | eNTi, I would hate it asking me every time. I prefer setting a default folder. |
| 16:09.46 | eNTi | it's been missing for ages and noone seems to complain... |
| 16:10.19 | kdepepo | I don't have kget3 installed, maybe try kget4 :) |
| 16:10.29 | jekader | got as problem - aRts doesn't work - how do I diagnose that? |
| 16:10.40 | jekader | fedora 9, KDE4beta2 + lots of KDE3 apps |
| 16:10.42 | eNTi | kdepepo: well it's a neat feature, that you actually CAN automate it that way, but the impossibilty to make it behave otherwise is something that completely baffles me. |
| 16:11.51 | annma | I should have thanked you in the commit kdepepo |
| 16:11.56 | eNTi | kdepepo: i doubt that kget4 will have this "feature", because it's obviously a (imho very bad) design decission from the devs. |
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| 16:12.11 | kdepepo | annma, for keeping you busy? :) |
| 16:12.23 | annma | for reporting and helping |
| 16:12.23 | eNTi | it's like a browser that doesn't have a back button... |
| 16:12.37 | kdepepo | annma, no problem... maybe next time. |
| 16:12.52 | pinotree | eNTi: and it's obvious that you know nothing about kget and its kde4 version |
| 16:13.06 | eNTi | pinotree: that's very true. |
| 16:13.08 | pinotree | eNTi: really, random bashing does not help |
| 16:13.12 | kdepepo | I got mentioned yesterday, that gotta be enough for that week |
| 16:13.22 | annma | :) |
| 16:13.24 | eNTi | pinotree: sorry, it wasn't meant as that. |
| 16:15.01 | eNTi | pinotree: does that mean, that kget for kde4 actually got that option? i wanted to wait for kde 4.1 before trying it out. |
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| 16:15.50 | jekader | guys, could you please help me out? |
| 16:15.54 | kdepepo | annma, are you familar with systray app? |
| 16:16.24 | jekader | tired of islent IM and IRC clients! |
| 16:16.32 | jazka | :ol |
| 16:16.38 | jekader | how do I bring aRts back to life? |
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| 16:17.01 | kdepepo | annma, on my system it started to cover parts of clock applet |
| 16:17.04 | jazka | from kcontrol |
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| 16:17.28 | jekader | I have no aRts configuration in KDE4 control center... |
| 16:17.34 | jazka | kde4 has no arts |
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| 16:18.09 | jekader | jazka - KDE4 is the only KDE in fedora |
| 16:18.22 | jekader | but it has apps and libs from KDE3 |
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| 16:18.40 | jekader | and I don't see any GUI to configure those :( |
| 16:18.59 | jazka | hmm dunno, try running artsd on command line |
| 16:19.03 | annma | systray is messed kdepepo |
| 16:19.06 | kdepepo | jekader, try "kcontrol" from konsole |
| 16:19.32 | jekader | kdepepo - nope... no such command |
| 16:19.40 | kdepepo | jekader, hm, then it is not installed. |
| 16:20.06 | eNTi | yay. #kget is alive :) |
| 16:20.11 | jekader | rpm -q arts |
| 16:20.11 | jekader | arts-1.5.9-2.fc9.x86_64 |
| 16:20.11 | jekader | arts-1.5.9-2.fc9.i386 |
| 16:20.18 | sandsmark | how do I become root in system settings? |
| 16:20.22 | b4rr0n | is there anyway to reset all of my KDE appearence settings at once? |
| 16:20.24 | boom1992 | eNTi: :P |
| 16:20.52 | sandsmark | b4rr0n: you could try changing Theme in Theme Manager |
| 16:20.57 | sandsmark | it changes pretty much everything |
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| 16:21.14 | jazka | sandsmark: kdesu systemsettings |
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| 16:21.30 | sandsmark | jazka: command not found, is it ported? |
| 16:21.44 | sandsmark | (I'm using KDE 4.1beta-something-svn-trunkish) |
| 16:21.47 | jazka | hmm, I have it, on my installation |
| 16:21.51 | sandsmark | kde 4? |
| 16:21.52 | Half-Left | sandsmark, kdesu systemsettings should work |
| 16:21.54 | jazka | yes |
| 16:21.55 | jazka | trunk |
| 16:21.57 | jazka | beta2 |
| 16:22.09 | pinotree | Half-Left: if you have no kde3, no |
| 16:22.23 | b4rr0n | sandsmark: anyway to change back to all the default icons, desktop, etc? |
| 16:22.26 | jazka | which kdesu |
| 16:22.26 | jazka | /usr/kde/svn/bin/kdesu |
| 16:22.27 | sandsmark | doesn't have kde 3 installed |
| 16:22.27 | Half-Left | kdesu kcontrol then |
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| 16:22.48 | sandsmark | b4rr0n: yes, use the theme manager |
| 16:23.06 | Half-Left | oh, well just sudo it then |
| 16:23.37 | sandsmark | meh, have to add myself to sudoers =) |
| 16:23.46 | jazka | well, there seems to be kde4 version of kdesu, atleast my overlay has it :o |
| 16:23.54 | jazka | kde-base/kdesu::kde4-experimental :kde-svn |
| 16:24.05 | jekader | should artsd be started by root? |
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| 16:24.10 | pinotree | no |
| 16:24.18 | jekader | OK |
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| 16:24.31 | sandsmark | jazka: do you know which part of KDE it comes from? |
| 16:24.33 | sandsmark | kdeutils? |
| 16:24.37 | jazka | kde-base ? |
| 16:24.45 | jekader | if I start it in the console - it works, but I still kan't get any sound out of it... |
| 16:25.02 | sandsmark | jazka: runtime, apps or workspace? |
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| 16:25.29 | Half-Left | sandsmark, Arts is not part of 4 |
| 16:25.42 | sandsmark | Half-Left: I'm talking to jazka about kdesu |
| 16:25.44 | sandsmark | =) |
| 16:25.49 | Half-Left | Oops |
| 16:26.04 | jekader | Ñ00е - it works - I think it's just missing some plugins |
| 16:26.22 | jekader | artsplay plays OGG, but not MP3 |
| 16:26.30 | jazka | sandsmark: runtime |
| 16:26.33 | sandsmark | thanks =) |
| 16:27.48 | kdepepo | annma, wallpaperless desktop works again, thanks! |
| 16:27.49 | sandsmark | jazka: /opt/kdemod/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu =) |
| 16:27.52 | sandsmark | found it |
| 16:27.57 | jazka | :) |
| 16:28.36 | annma | :) thanks ot you kdepepo |
| 16:28.38 | pinotree | $(kde4-config --path libexec)/kdesu |
| 16:28.55 | jekader | OK, thanks for the help - I'll now try finding a way to start artsd at login |
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| 16:30.41 | sandsmark | pinotree: thanks ;) |
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| 16:34.32 | seven- | hi, where i can change dpi in kde4 ? |
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| 16:35.23 | jazka | seven-: system settings -> appearance -> Fonts |
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| 16:39.02 | seven- | if i install a fresh suse 11 with kde 4, xdpyinfo | grep resolution show me 96x96 after i install the latest updates xdpyinfo | grep resolution show me 129x129 ? |
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| 16:43.04 | rdieter | the latter is likely closer to correct |
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| 16:45.01 | tech9iner | so anyone else noting no Firefox -P or -profilemanager working on ffx 3 on my openSUSE 10.3 here? |
| 16:46.38 | seven- | after a fresh installation my desktop looks http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vorherio7.png and after installation of the latest updates http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=danachhn5.png can anyone help me ? |
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| 16:47.57 | zarvox | seven-: what's the problem? you want to change the size of the panel and text? |
| 16:48.21 | richard_ | Is Konqueror as good as firefox when it comes to be a web browser? |
| 16:48.50 | seven- | yes, but after install the latest updates automatically the taskbar and the icons are biger :( |
| 16:48.56 | zarvox | richard_: uhh, that's a matter of opinion. I find that it fills all my needs |
| 16:49.52 | richard_ | zarvox I should specify that I mean in terms of protecting my information like credit cards etc |
| 16:49.59 | zarvox | seven-: seven- systemsettings -> Appearance -> Fonts for the default font sizes |
| 16:50.34 | zarvox | richard_: both implement SSL 3.0 and TLS 1.0, either will be wonderful |
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| 16:50.52 | richard_ | ahh that is all I care about. |
| 16:50.54 | seven- | zarvox: thats all ? this works for the taskbar also ? |
| 16:50.56 | richard_ | :) Got to ebay |
| 16:51.05 | zarvox | seven-: getting there. :) |
| 16:51.39 | seven- | zarvox: ok, thanks! |
| 16:52.01 | richard_ | Suggestions to help Lighten up KDE? I |
| 16:52.39 | zarvox | seven-: I'm running SVN builds, and it looks like resizing the panel changed between version opensuse ships and SVN head |
| 16:53.42 | seven- | ah, but if i can change is with systemsettings -> Appearance -> Fonts it is ok. |
| 16:53.55 | zarvox | seven-: that'll only change font sizes |
| 16:54.41 | zarvox | seven-: try right-clicking the panel, see if there's any way to configure it? |
| 16:55.19 | seven- | and icon size ? |
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| 16:55.51 | zarvox | seven-: the icons on the desktop are the same size. The icons in the panel will resize with the panel size. |
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| 16:57.57 | seven- | zarvox: ok but the space between icons are less |
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| 17:12.27 | dml | Hi, I got some trouble when I resize my Konsole, it's becomes very slow (4.0.82) |
| 17:13.22 | dml | any idea ? |
| 17:13.22 | Half-Left | dml, Nvidia card? |
| 17:13.22 | dml | yep |
| 17:13.36 | Half-Left | dml, What driver version? |
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| 17:13.56 | dml | driver 173.14.09 |
| 17:13.56 | Half-Left | and series card |
| 17:14.05 | dml | GF8600GT |
| 17:14.25 | dml | using debian sid/experimental |
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| 17:14.41 | Half-Left | dml, it's nvidia's fault, 8 series cards are slower 2d than previous series |
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| 17:15.08 | Kenjiro | good afternoon |
| 17:15.25 | Half-Left | However you can add a command to your nvidia settings to make it better |
| 17:15.35 | dml | ok thanks |
| 17:15.53 | dml | Do you know which command ? |
| 17:16.22 | Kenjiro | I hear loads of people won't jump to KDE 4 till k3b is compatible with that. Have you guys heard something like that? |
| 17:16.43 | Half-Left | dml, Read this thread http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=114760 |
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| 17:16.49 | dml | thx ;) |
| 17:17.11 | gkiagia | Kenjiro: that's stupid, k3b from kde3 works fine under kde4 |
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| 17:17.30 | Kenjiro | gkiagia: well, that's not true for me |
| 17:17.48 | Kenjiro | I can't compile it, since it doesn't work with QT4 |
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| 17:18.13 | Kenjiro | (it == k3b) |
| 17:18.35 | gkiagia | Kenjiro: you just need to install qt3 and kdelibs3 |
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| 17:19.05 | Kenjiro | interesting... |
| 17:19.20 | Kenjiro | so I guess those would not conflict with qt4 and kdelibs4? |
| 17:19.51 | dml | thanks a lot Half-Left works much better ;) |
| 17:19.52 | gkiagia | Kenjiro: no, they are separate libraries. |
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| 17:20.16 | gkiagia | Kenjiro: the can all co-exist in the same system |
| 17:20.27 | Half-Left | dml, :) |
| 17:23.06 | Kenjiro | because that (k3b) is the only reason which keeps me from going for kde4 :D |
| 17:23.25 | Kenjiro | I tested one of the 4.0 versions and already liked what I saw |
| 17:23.59 | liber | i run 4.1 and use k3b from kde3. It is not like I burn cds very often |
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| 17:26.04 | loktor | Hi, How can I set global shortcuts for Kmix ? I'm a Archlinux user with KDE 4.0.81 |
| 17:26.05 | Kenjiro | liber: I don't burn cds/dvds very often, but... from time to time... I do burn *grin* |
| 17:27.04 | liber | Kenjiro: well, can't you those times just stand the "old" look of k3b? |
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| 17:28.46 | Kenjiro | liber: I don't have a problem with the suposed "old look of k3b". |
| 17:28.53 | Half-Left | Nope they sort the Vsync issue out unless it's nvidia driver issue |
| 17:29.13 | Kenjiro | the problem was: since I was installing kde4, i uninstalled EVERYTHING related to kde3 |
| 17:29.24 | Kenjiro | then... k3b wouldn't compile because of qt4 |
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| 17:29.39 | liber | ah |
| 17:29.45 | Kenjiro | now that gkiagia tells me I can keep qt3 and kdelibs3... I am more relieved :D |
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| 17:30.02 | Kenjiro | I will start compiling kde4 pretty soon :) |
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| 17:43.09 | Kenjiro | ok, kde4.1 download commenced :D |
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| 17:44.47 | Half-Left | Go get 4.1beta 2 goodness |
| 17:45.24 | Kenjiro | that's the thing ;) |
| 17:45.29 | Kenjiro | 4.0.83, right? :) |
| 17:45.35 | jazka | yep |
| 17:45.44 | Kenjiro | yep, downloading already :D |
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| 17:46.48 | qratz | hello everyone |
| 17:47.34 | qratz | i was just wondering, is there some kind of magic trick to make kde4.1 usable on a nvidia graphic card? |
| 17:48.10 | jazka | it's a bit better with the latest beta drivers, some say |
| 17:48.19 | jazka | what card you have? |
| 17:48.22 | Half-Left | qratz, 8 series? |
| 17:48.27 | qratz | nvs 140 |
| 17:48.41 | qratz | on a lenovo t61p |
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| 17:49.07 | Half-Left | It's a known fact that nvidia drivers are poor 2d, latest ones are better for qt4 |
| 17:49.09 | qratz | i've seen many people complain about qt4 performance on this graphic card |
| 17:49.19 | Kenjiro | jazka: the latest driver, 173.14.09, would work? (Nvidia) |
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| 17:50.22 | qratz | right now i'm using the curent beta driver since 173.14 was really bad |
| 17:50.32 | qratz | so i'm runngun 177.13 now |
| 17:50.45 | Half-Left | qratz, Qt4 exposes the nvidia drivers for their crap 2d performance |
| 17:50.51 | qratz | it got kinda better but it's still horrible |
| 17:51.19 | qratz | Half-Left, i can see that, since the same setup runs smoother with vesa drivers |
| 17:51.34 | qratz | unbelievable |
| 17:51.39 | Half-Left | exactly |
| 17:52.05 | qratz | is there some kind of bug report already open for that issue at nvidia? |
| 17:52.06 | blauzahl-laptop | which driver set? proprietary? noveau? nv (bad)? |
| 17:52.18 | qratz | proprietary |
| 17:52.24 | Half-Left | Always |
| 17:52.26 | blauzahl-laptop | iirc ther's actually a #nvidia , btw |
| 17:52.41 | benklop | hi everyone |
| 17:52.50 | mfmii | I am new to KDE4. Is the ability to create blank documents on the desktop one of the "missing features"? |
| 17:52.51 | blauzahl-laptop | i lost my plasma bar from the nv drivers, so watch out |
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| 17:53.09 | blauzahl-laptop | blanks documents? |
| 17:53.10 | qratz | blauzahl, lol |
| 17:53.23 | Half-Left | blauzahl-laptop, They dont want to know, thats Proprietary for you |
| 17:53.27 | mfmii | When I right-click there is no New > Text File etc. |
| 17:53.27 | qratz | how should that be possible?! |
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| 17:53.30 | blauzahl-laptop | kjot? kate? kword? |
| 17:53.51 | mfmii | Well I was just wondering if the alternate menu was finished or if this was a bug. |
| 17:54.07 | blauzahl-laptop | oh. "create new"---> |
| 17:54.21 | mfmii | Yes. |
| 17:54.29 | blauzahl-laptop | doesn't exist yet in plainn stuff, i guess |
| 17:55.04 | mfmii | OK, thanks. |
| 17:55.05 | blauzahl-laptop | bet there's a feature request in the bugzilla wishlist, you can always vote on it |
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| 17:59.57 | buntfalke | What's an alternative to any2dvd? |
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| 18:13.25 | buntfalke | Can someone recommend a dvd authoring software? |
| 18:14.21 | Half-Left | Can't remember if Manslide is |
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| 18:18.02 | buntfalke | Half-Left: not available in debian right away as it seems |
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| 18:19.43 | Half-Left | buntfalke, Binary as I remember |
| 18:20.19 | buntfalke | binary only? uh...well - then i dont like it :-) |
| 18:21.57 | Half-Left | KDE4 or 3? |
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| 18:22.47 | Half-Left | buntfalke, manDVD |
| 18:24.45 | buntfalke | thanks |
| 18:24.47 | buntfalke | looks good |
| 18:24.57 | blauzahl-laptop | you mean like k3b? |
| 18:25.25 | blauzahl-laptop | or what is authoring here? |
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| 18:26.27 | buntfalke | blauzahl-laptop: k3b burns files. but for burning a video-dvd from a random video file you need to prepare it, if you want to have more features like a fancy menue and such things |
| 18:26.45 | buntfalke | blauzahl-laptop: it's like printing a plaintext file, and printing it with a font and fancy typesetting :-) |
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| 18:33.19 | blauzahl-laptop | ah, ok. thanks |
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| 19:07.20 | soenke | kann man unter kde4 die osx-widgets schon benutzen? |
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| 19:08.18 | soenke | is it possible to use the osx-widgets with kde4.0.x? |
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| 19:12.17 | pettern_ | how do i add kde applets to the panel with kde4? |
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| 19:12.27 | zarvox | soenke: I think dashboard widget support is not in kde4.0, but will be in 4.1 |
| 19:16.18 | liber | pettern_: you drag and drop from the add widgets dialo |
| 19:16.19 | liber | g |
| 19:16.33 | pettern_ | not widgets, applets |
| 19:16.54 | Half-Left | soenke, Not yet |
| 19:17.09 | liber | i am not into the terminology... what is an applet? |
| 19:17.10 | soenke | ok, thank you |
| 19:17.21 | tbscope | widget = applet? |
| 19:17.54 | soenke | pettern_: but apple says dashboard-widget |
| 19:18.13 | soenke | oh, you ment liber |
| 19:18.20 | liber | the correct name is plasmoid... :) |
| 19:18.24 | pettern_ | kpowersave and knetworkmanager is applets |
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| 19:18.38 | tbscope | liber: the correct name is widget as that's what's mentioned on your desktop |
| 19:18.39 | liber | pettern_: those are kde3 stuff |
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| 19:18.57 | pettern_ | oh, then suse is adding kde3 stuff in the kde4 installation:) |
| 19:19.00 | liber | pettern_: just start the kde3 apps knetworkmanager |
| 19:19.02 | zarvox | pettern_: those are python scripts, for the record. They should dock in KDE4 just fine |
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| 19:19.09 | liber | and kpowersave |
| 19:19.33 | zarvox | wait, I lied |
| 19:19.35 | pettern_ | my problem is that they dont go into the panel they start as a seperate application |
| 19:19.50 | pettern_ | so they run in their own windows |
| 19:19.55 | liber | pettern_: do you have a system tray then? |
| 19:20.06 | pettern_ | yeah |
| 19:20.10 | liber | strange |
| 19:20.39 | pettern_ | i was hoping there was another way to add them then just running them |
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| 19:21.20 | liber | pettern_: the way to add them is to just run them... |
| 19:21.25 | pettern_ | wait, i think i fixed it |
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| 19:21.56 | pettern_ | i ran knetworkmanager as root from konsole and suddenly both the applets where in the panel:) |
| 19:22.05 | tbscope | pettern_: on the panel itself, right click and add widget |
| 19:22.26 | pettern_ | tbscope, still not talking about widgets:) |
| 19:22.29 | liber | pettern_: some of those system tray utils are managed by the kde3 session manager. They are usable in kde4, but it requires some tinkering to make them autostart :) |
| 19:22.36 | tbscope | Sjees this is confusing |
| 19:22.38 | liber | like knemo |
| 19:22.54 | liber | pettern_: better call them kde3 tray apps :) |
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| 19:24.36 | pettern_ | anyways, seems like its okay now, hope it lasts |
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| 19:25.15 | tbscope | Try to explain this to users: in kde3 we had applets (kicker applets), in kde4 we use plasma applets, but they are also know as plasmoids or widgets. We can load macos widgets and yahoo gadgets too of course :( (applet, plasmoid, widget, gadget) What is it? |
| 19:26.06 | pettern_ | its all small apps imo |
| 19:26.15 | liber | tbscope: what about small programs that run in the kde3 system tray? kde3 tray utilities? :) |
| 19:26.38 | tbscope | argghh |
| 19:27.12 | liber | they are apps that are not really bound to the tray, but it would be stupid to run them somewhere else |
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| 19:38.49 | kbentekik | Uhm, i'm sorry if this is not the good place, but well i don't really care at the moment. KDE 4 ROCK's!!!!!! GO ON!! |
| 19:38.51 | kbentekik | (This happened after reading a nasty review about kde 4, i'm sorry but you guy's deserve it, the positive talk i mean :) ) |
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| 19:39.30 | Half-Left | kbentekik, 4.1 will blow it way :) |
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| 19:40.13 | kbentekik | I know, i already use it, with my fresh opensuse 11, and everything (with a little good will) works |
| 19:40.43 | Half-Left | 4.1 dont come with 11.0 though |
| 19:40.47 | Phlogi_ | is there a kdirstat for kde4? |
| 19:41.06 | liber | I found 4.0 unusable for my desktop. 4.1 is such a huuuuuge step in the right direction. I can't understand how fast it has happened |
| 19:41.49 | kbentekik | its 4.0.8 or something, i use the unstable, actually it seems very stabel to me (no it's not really a production machine) |
| 19:42.26 | Half-Left | liber, it's just that the main stuff was in place, now the rest will follow faster |
| 19:42.52 | Half-Left | unlining libs and framework |
| 19:42.54 | liber | Half-Left: I know... and it makes me giggle |
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| 19:43.18 | shoklowitz | Could someone help me with a KMixer problem? |
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| 19:43.41 | pinotree | nobody will say "yes" without a concrete problem, so just explain it |
| 19:44.42 | shoklowitz | Everything was working fine until I closed and restarted Kmixer, I lost the On Screen Display for my Fn+VolUp/Dwn buttons and my mute. Someone told me to a sudo restart -r now, which brought back the Fn+Volup/Dwn as well as the OSD for both these functions |
| 19:44.58 | liber | have you guys ever read matthias ettrich's "original posting" on comp.os.linux?? It is really a blast http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.development.apps/msg/cb4b2d67ffc3ffce |
| 19:44.58 | shoklowitz | But now I KMix doesn't Mute my sound |
| 19:45.17 | shoklowitz | It shows to be Muting the Master Channel, but nothing happens |
| 19:45.21 | shoklowitz | And I still get sound. |
| 19:45.33 | shoklowitz | Everything was working fine earlier. |
| 19:45.50 | shoklowitz | Nor does it display the 'Mute' OSD for Fn+Mute keys |
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| 19:46.28 | shoklowitz | Anyone? |
| 19:47.19 | liber | which kmix is this? ked3 or 4? |
| 19:47.41 | liber | I never got the kde3-kmixx working |
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| 19:48.09 | nasru | hi |
| 19:48.22 | shoklowitz | I have no idea, Adept tells me that I don't have Kmix-kde4 installed, so it's whatever comes with Kubuntu Hardy |
| 19:48.24 | nasru | how do i play windows games on sabayon |
| 19:48.25 | shoklowitz | I guess |
| 19:48.44 | shoklowitz | nasru:Use an emulator such as Wine. |
| 19:49.05 | nasru | how do i start a game on wine |
| 19:49.25 | shoklowitz | If it's a Windows game, you will need to first install Wine. |
| 19:49.36 | nasru | i have wine installed already |
| 19:49.38 | shoklowitz | Not all Windows games work well. |
| 19:49.41 | liber | shoklowitz: strange. Does it work under alsamix? |
| 19:49.49 | pinotree | nasru: #sabayon please |
| 19:49.58 | nasru | pinotree: sorry |
| 19:49.59 | shoklowitz | I think there's a separate channel for Wine |
| 19:50.07 | shoklowitz | Ummm. |
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| 19:50.19 | shoklowitz | Let me check |
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| 19:50.46 | shoklowitz | I just have Kmix |
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| 19:51.54 | liber | but is it the correct channel. for me it was some other strange channel. Try opening up the "big" kmix window and see which one you have to mute to get it quiet |
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| 19:52.58 | shoklowitz | liber: I read that on a forum somewhere as well. However, I have a Master, A PCM, and Three Mics. |
| 19:53.09 | shoklowitz | When I mute the Master - nothing happens. |
| 19:53.26 | shoklowitz | And I can't mute the PCM since there's no Mute button for it at all :/ |
| 19:53.34 | liber | hmmm. |
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| 19:55.16 | liber | you could go around kmix and map the commands towards some alsa utils. I know to little about kmix to be able to help |
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| 19:55.39 | shevy | is it possible to delete pdf pages via kpdf? or anyone knows another kde-software for that? |
| 19:55.40 | shoklowitz | Hmmm. Alsa utils like what? |
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| 19:56.20 | liber | shoklowitz: I have no idea, but I friend of mine has written a program called remoot that does just that - so it is possible |
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| 19:56.25 | bjwebb | hi |
| 19:56.35 | bjwebb | is this the best channel to discuss parts of the kde-edu project? |
| 19:56.39 | shoklowitz | Ok. Thanks for the help liber :) |
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| 19:56.56 | liber | shoklowitz: amixer |
| 19:56.59 | blauzahl-laptop | bjwebb: #kde-edu ;) |
| 19:57.08 | bjwebb | ah, a dash |
| 19:57.16 | bjwebb | thankyou very much |
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| 19:57.27 | blauzahl-laptop | no problem |
| 19:57.29 | shoklowitz | Thanks :) How will I connect Kmix to Amixer? |
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| 19:58.50 | liber | shoklowitz: you don't. You have to map some commands to "amixer Master 0%" |
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| 20:08.23 | Konam | hi |
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| 20:09.38 | Konam | is there a way to get the mac-like application launcher in kde4 that we had in kde3? It was on kde3 the last time I used it but I don-t know since when it was pulled out.... |
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| 20:10.45 | pinotree | Konam: #kde-mac |
| 20:11.04 | buscher__ | mac-like application launcher? kooldock? |
| 20:11.21 | pinotree | ah, sorry, confused a bit :S |
| 20:11.54 | pinotree | kde3 has no "macosx-like" dock shipped with it, they all are 3rd part applications |
| 20:12.32 | Kenjiro | gkiagia: you there? |
| 20:12.52 | sandsmark | pinotree: maybe she means the menu |
| 20:13.03 | sandsmark | as in the "File Edit Settings Help"-thingy |
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| 20:33.25 | Konam | pinotree I-m not asking for the dock, kde has never shipped something like that. I-m talking about a start menu with 'application, places and system'. kde3 use to have that option |
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| 20:36.50 | liber | Konam: I don't think so |
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| 20:39.33 | szakulec | is there a way to get inline signing of messages+ the openpgp/mime key attached? |
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| 20:40.53 | sherif | Can i ask a question about KDE 4 ? |
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| 20:47.07 | liber | well... yes |
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| 21:00.46 | sandsmark | is tagging working in kde 4.1 beta 2? |
| 21:01.24 | sandsmark | (with nepomuk) |
| 21:01.39 | Half-Left | Yep |
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| 21:01.52 | sandsmark | Half-Left: can you search for files? |
| 21:01.56 | sandsmark | with certain tags? |
| 21:02.04 | Half-Left | from where? |
| 21:02.08 | sandsmark | from anywhere |
| 21:02.09 | cbr | hi, is there a networkmanager plasmoid available? i read on the interweb about it being developed or smth |
| 21:02.23 | sandsmark | cbr: it is, but I don't think it's working yet |
| 21:02.37 | sandsmark | I tried it a couple of days ago, and it compiled, but wouldn't load properly |
| 21:02.41 | Half-Left | Yer but how are you searching for the tags? |
| 21:02.50 | sandsmark | Half-Left: that's what I'm asking you =) |
| 21:03.02 | sandsmark | I tried clicking on te assigned tags, and it told me about a TODO =) |
| 21:03.04 | sandsmark | *the |
| 21:03.20 | Half-Left | sandsmark, I works in Folder View plasmoid |
| 21:03.25 | sandsmark | Half-Left: not here |
| 21:03.32 | sandsmark | Half-Left: have you tried it yourself |
| 21:03.33 | sandsmark | ? |
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| 21:03.38 | Half-Left | yep |
| 21:03.42 | sandsmark | I thought it was only in playground |
| 21:03.50 | Half-Left | Not got it on ATM though |
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| 21:04.03 | Half-Left | one sec |
| 21:04.38 | sandsmark | do you use nepomuksearch:/tags:tag? |
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| 21:04.55 | Half-Left | I just enjoying this nv driver, so much better than the nvidia driver for KDE4 |
| 21:05.06 | Half-Left | yep |
| 21:05.07 | sandsmark | =) |
| 21:05.11 | sandsmark | and it works? |
| 21:05.19 | sandsmark | I'll try to relogin, kded died now =3 |
| 21:05.26 | Half-Left | one sec |
| 21:05.32 | djouallah | stupid question; how to setup network in kde4 ? |
| 21:06.11 | zarvox | djouallah: however your distribution handles it. KDE4 has a Solid backend for NetworkManager. |
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| 21:07.07 | djouallah | is there knetwork manager for kde4 |
| 21:07.43 | zarvox | not to my knowledge >_> |
| 21:07.53 | zarvox | you can still run the KDE3 knetworkmanager app though |
| 21:08.07 | zarvox | and it'll dock in the system tray as expected |
| 21:08.34 | djouallah | kde3 knetworkmanger has a bug, it did not show wired connection ? |
| 21:08.49 | sandsmark | arch linux has it's own stuff, using netcfg2, which has a qt4-frontend |
| 21:08.50 | djouallah | is this normal btw |
| 21:08.58 | sandsmark | and there is a network manager plasmoid in the work |
| 21:08.59 | sandsmark | s |
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| 21:09.43 | sandsmark | "FIXME: connect me to the dolphinmodel: tags:/home" |
| 21:09.55 | Half-Left | yer, dont work :/ |
| 21:10.34 | sandsmark | URL cannot be listed nepomuksearch:/tag:home says folderview |
| 21:11.15 | djouallah | is it normal that kfind takes a lot of time to launch |
| 21:11.26 | sandsmark | Half-Left: can you paste the url you use in folderview? |
| 21:11.44 | Half-Left | sandsmark, Dont work like yours |
| 21:11.52 | sandsmark | ? |
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| 21:12.29 | sandsmark | well, just dandy, I can tag my heart out, but I can't use them =P |
| 21:12.36 | Half-Left | lol |
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| 21:13.07 | sandsmark | not even a cli-interface |
| 21:13.24 | sandsmark | I wonder if it's going to be completely disabled from kde 4.1, or maybe fixed =) |
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| 21:22.15 | nils__ | hello, how to run kde4.1beta in an own session? |
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| 21:24.12 | Half-Left | sandsmark, tagging is extremely slow for me |
| 21:24.20 | thiago_home | nils__: tell us what you did and what went wrong |
| 21:25.10 | sandsmark | Half-Left: I'm currently trying to build nepomuk-kde from playground |
| 21:26.51 | nils__ | i'm using kubuntu and i installed the new available packages to my system (kde4.1beta via package manager). now i want to run kde4.1 in an own session, without using fluxbox as basis for kde4.1 |
| 21:27.01 | nils__ | @thiago_home ^ |
| 21:27.10 | thiago_home | select it in the login |
| 21:27.17 | Half-Left | thiago_home, Opensource nv driver is awesome with Qt4 |
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| 21:27.44 | nils__ | i can't select it because i can only choose between kde(3.5.9) and xfce ... |
| 21:29.33 | nils__ | now i've to know, what i've to add to "special kdm"-config files, so its possible to start kde4.1beta via an own session |
| 21:30.01 | troy | a little digg help for the marketing dept. from those that are bored: http://digg.com/linux_unix/KDE_4_1_Beta_2_Released |
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| 21:31.49 | nils__ | hm ok thanks |
| 21:31.59 | FiNeX | hi |
| 21:32.08 | zarvox | hi FiNeX |
| 21:32.13 | Half-Left | troy, Yep, Get beta2 everyone :0 |
| 21:32.16 | Half-Left | :) |
| 21:32.27 | FiNeX | :) |
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| 21:33.42 | Half-Left | Get testing that baby |
| 21:34.21 | nils__ | ohh found the solution, here is the description to use kde4.1 in an own session : http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#Solitary_KDE_4_session |
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| 21:34.43 | zarvox | there's a howto for that? |
| 21:34.54 | sandsmark | is it possible to only build part of playground/base? |
| 21:35.01 | reggie | hey folks |
| 21:35.04 | zarvox | ...neat, I guessed to do the exact same thing! |
| 21:35.15 | sandsmark | like, say, nepomuk-kde/kioslaves? |
| 21:35.31 | reggie | have error on kde 4 beta have error on pastebin |
| 21:35.37 | reggie | http://pastebin.com/m475694a5 |
| 21:36.26 | reggie | can anyone advise |
| 21:36.54 | troy | sandsmark: not likely, although if you use ccmake (rather than cmake), you may find it possible to turn the compilation of certain things off |
| 21:37.04 | sandsmark | oh, ok |
| 21:37.21 | sandsmark | I'm trying now anyways, by fiddling with the cmakelists and stuff =3 |
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| 21:42.47 | Schuenemann | hey, how do I stop a process from starting every time I boot? |
| 21:43.41 | liber | 4what process? |
| 21:43.43 | zarvox | is it part of the kde session or .Autostart? |
| 21:43.45 | Half-Left | reggie, bugs.kde.org, what crashed? |
| 21:44.31 | Schuenemann | it's mysql, I don't know what it is |
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| 21:44.34 | reggie | huh it's just an error that keeps popping up did you see the pastebin Half-Left |
| 21:44.49 | Schuenemann | I think it starts independently of kde |
| 21:45.03 | Half-Left | reggie, What error, from what, where? |
| 21:45.04 | zarvox | Schuenemann: check your distro's init scripts |
| 21:45.10 | reggie | happens when i start konqueror an other apps |
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| 21:45.38 | Half-Left | reggie, Thats just a backtrace which devs can debug and read |
| 21:45.52 | zarvox | Schuenemann: configuration for boot services varies by distribution |
| 21:45.55 | reggie | kde 4.1 beta 4.0.83 on SUSE |
| 21:46.09 | Schuenemann | zarvox, I think it's those files that start with 'mysql' under /etc/init.d |
| 21:46.27 | reggie | so the pastebin doesnt help? |
| 21:46.32 | Half-Left | no |
| 21:46.32 | Schuenemann | mysql, mysql-ndb, mysql-ndb-mgm, |
| 21:46.44 | Half-Left | only devs know what that means |
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| 21:47.05 | reggie | ohh ok |
| 21:47.08 | liber | Schuenemann: this is really something for the distros support channel |
| 21:47.17 | Schuenemann | ok, thanks |
| 21:47.22 | Half-Left | And your debug symbols are missing which dont help much |
| 21:47.32 | reggie | well not sure how much more info i can give you to be honnest i'm a noob |
| 21:48.23 | Half-Left | reggie, Report at bugs.kde.org , look for current current ones that match if not make a new report |
| 21:49.21 | reggie | ok will do thanx until next beta version comes out will go back to my favorite 3.5.9 |
| 21:49.42 | Half-Left | reggie, Was it a app that crashed? |
| 21:50.32 | reggie | well nothing crashed per say i just keep geting this error notification poppup kind of annoying to be honest |
| 21:50.51 | Half-Left | screenshot? |
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| 21:51.42 | reggie | huh dont have a screenshot |
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| 21:53.22 | Half-Left | reggie, Does it happen when you just login, when does it happen? |
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| 21:54.13 | reggie | yea it happens after login and if i bring up knquror |
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| 21:54.38 | reggie | also if i right clck on desktop let me try again to see if it happens |
| 21:55.29 | reggie | yea just happened again just tried opening a link i had on desktop |
| 21:55.45 | reggie | so getting error from knotify |
| 21:56.02 | Half-Left | reggie, Not only is it beta but your using that opensuse factory which may have issues in itself |
| 21:56.04 | reggie | says caused a signal 11 |
| 21:56.09 | reggie | not sure what that means |
| 21:56.31 | reggie | what are you using Half-Left if you dont mind me asking |
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| 21:57.01 | Half-Left | kde4 trunk svn |
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| 21:57.20 | reggie | i was using beta 4.0.82 and had no issues soon as i upgraded to 4.0.83 i started to get these popups , i did do a reboot to see if things would be put back in place but no cigar |
| 21:57.38 | reggie | trunk svn? |
| 21:57.52 | Half-Left | yes, i.e very latest version |
| 21:57.57 | reggie | sounds like an older version |
| 21:58.06 | reggie | ohh crap really |
| 21:58.14 | reggie | so later than 4.0.83 |
| 21:58.33 | Half-Left | i.e stuff that was uploads minutes ago |
| 21:58.40 | Half-Left | uploaded* |
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| 21:58.57 | reggie | nice wish i was proficient enough to compile that myself to use |
| 21:59.43 | Half-Left | Well there is a howto on how to do it but it comes with some risks if not done right |
| 22:00.18 | reggie | yea i like to have access to my machine dont like to reinstall over and over again so think i will wait |
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| 22:01.00 | reggie | are you devel for kde |
| 22:01.37 | Half-Left | nope, I just do artwork, contribute |
| 22:01.44 | zarvox | reggie: nope, but I do try to find and triage bugs that I can understand |
| 22:02.23 | sandsmark | well, now I can tag files, and I can search for tagged files, but I'll be damned if I can find the files I tagged =# |
| 22:03.01 | reggie | ohh nice so will kde 4 ultimately be as configurable as 3.5.9 |
| 22:03.02 | zarvox | sandsmark: darn. I wasn't brave enough to try compiling extragear to test that out, but it looked cool. |
| 22:03.12 | zarvox | reggie: in due time |
| 22:03.31 | sandsmark | zarvox: I have a compiled x86_64 package for archlinux, and a PKGBUILD so you can build it yourself |
| 22:03.36 | sandsmark | maybe you have more luck than me =3 |
| 22:03.50 | sandsmark | http://kdemod41.likbilen.com/kdemod4-playground-nepomuk-svn-815353-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.gz |
| 22:03.56 | reggie | thanx guys |
| 22:04.20 | zarvox | sandsmark: old P4 here >_< |
| 22:04.28 | sandsmark | =/ |
| 22:04.38 | zarvox | sandsmark: but I'll probably mess with svn when I get home |
| 22:04.44 | sandsmark | k =) |
| 22:07.32 | sandsmark | and now it works =) |
| 22:07.37 | sandsmark | it helps to use the right kioslave |
| 22:08.01 | zarvox | oh, hooray |
| 22:08.07 | sandsmark | tags:/python for example worked perfectly =) |
| 22:08.21 | sandsmark | it even completes =) |
| 22:08.42 | zarvox | man, KDE is so cool. |
| 22:09.09 | Half-Left | 4.1 is :p |
| 22:09.13 | zarvox | as though this channel didn't already know :P |
| 22:09.42 | sandsmark | =) |
| 22:09.46 | sandsmark | I miss filelight =3 |
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| 22:10.02 | zarvox | oh, the pie-chart file manager? |
| 22:10.05 | sandsmark | yeah |
| 22:10.09 | zarvox | I remember toying with that once |
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| 22:10.16 | sandsmark | it is actually pretty useful |
| 22:10.19 | zarvox | took so long to scan directories though |
| 22:10.30 | sandsmark | iirc, it's the same guy who made dragonplayer/codeine |
| 22:10.34 | troy | sandsmark: I think vandenoever made some version of that for KDE 4 last year, but it's probably stale now |
| 22:10.36 | zarvox | it was great for cleaning out my HDD, but slow for everything else |
| 22:10.42 | sandsmark | troy: oh, ok =) |
| 22:10.51 | shaman | wish 4.x would hit gentoo arch |
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| 22:10.57 | sandsmark | maybe something I can start teaching myself KDE with =) |
| 22:11.04 | troy | sandsmark: I'll ask him :) |
| 22:11.10 | sandsmark | thanks =) |
| 22:11.33 | zarvox | sweetness. |
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| 22:16.46 | bwayne | asks distro "gimme my debug packages, pls" |
| 22:16.55 | rascal999 | I've got a problem with turning the back light off. on tablet pc. only vbetool dpms off works and that screws the screen up when dpms on again. How can I get this to work another way? |
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| 22:25.50 | djouallah | troy, in your last blog post you mention network manager applet as a showstopper ? what do u mean |
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| 22:27.52 | troy | djouallah: what I mean is, I'd hold back 4.1 until we had it there, but that decision needs to be made by the release team, not marketing :) |
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| 22:28.42 | djouallah | troy, actually that what i thought but your walking in a land mine here ;) |
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| 22:29.00 | g2g591 | 4.1 svn is nice right now |
| 22:29.01 | Insolit | hi, anyone here that uses kile? |
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| 22:29.36 | crs | hello. How can I run knemo? |
| 22:30.04 | crs | kde 3.5.9 |
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| 22:30.36 | troy | djouallah: actually, from a marketing perspective there are two things that could kill the reviews: lack of network management applet, and no desktop background when using folderview fulslcreen - both of which are slated to miss 4.1.x for various reasons... |
| 22:30.47 | troy | I think the first one's more important though |
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| 22:31.28 | djouallah | troy, what's about no proxy support |
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| 22:32.21 | djouallah | sorry but for folderview for kde4.1 it is only to be used as an applet, the fullscreen is for kde4.2 iirc |
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| 22:34.20 | troy | djouallah: you can make it fullscreen by changing one line in your plasma config files |
| 22:34.40 | troy | djouallah: but then no background is drawn, since the applet that paints it has been replaced by folderview |
| 22:35.23 | troy | djouallah: I don't know about the proxy thing - it's something I've never encountered |
| 22:35.34 | djouallah | troy, i know but this not a feature, this only a demonstration of how plasma works, the full containement switshing is for kde4.2, at least that what i read from aseigo blog |
| 22:36.58 | djouallah | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155707 |
| 22:37.30 | troy | djouallah: yeah - the full thing is for 4.2 since the background rendering code has to be rewritten to let other applets use it |
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| 22:38.58 | djouallah | for the proxy thing it means kde4 has no sense for universities, entreprise users as they tend to use proxy to access the net |
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| 22:40.08 | g2g591 | djouallah: psst kde 4.1 svn DOES have support for proxys |
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| 22:40.21 | g2g591 | im looking at the configuration dialog right now... |
| 22:40.54 | djouallah | g2g591, yes it has but it is brocken, it did not work, that's the point of the bug report |
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| 22:41.27 | djouallah | and this bug is the most voted hated bug for kde4 |
| 22:42.22 | Half-Left | Which is what betas are for |
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| 22:43.47 | djouallah | Half-Left, of course i am just mentioning a serieus bug for our friend from the marketing departement |
| 22:45.47 | troy | Half-Left: if it's not fixed in 4.1.0, we'll likely get hit by it at Akademy, since we're at a uni - that'll get it fixed :P |
| 22:46.12 | Half-Left | troy, lol |
| 22:46.26 | djouallah | hahaha selfish atitude ;) |
| 22:46.46 | Half-Left | troy, Fix it while your there, thats what meetups are for :) |
| 22:46.48 | troy | djouallah: it is open source :) you know the who 'scratch an itch' theory for how open source development works :) |
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| 22:47.42 | troy | djouallah: honestly, if no developers are hit by it, it doesn't usually get fixed |
| 22:47.45 | g2g591 | djouallah: any place i can detect if the proxy is working? |
| 22:48.05 | djouallah | troy, may i told you a secret, my most hated bug for kde4.1 is the frame around icons, perhaps i am weird, it becomes a personnal problems for me, damn i saw them in my dreams |
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| 22:48.22 | Half-Left | troy, Lies, all lies :p |
| 22:48.41 | troy | there used to be some traffic anonymizing services that could be used for testing proxies - not sure if they are all using ssh tunnelling these days or not |
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| 22:48.48 | zarvox | my personal most hated bug has to be modifier keys with multiple keyboard layouts |
| 22:49.03 | troy | zarvox: not familiar with that one... |
| 22:49.13 | zarvox | set multiple keyboard layouts |
| 22:49.23 | zarvox | things like ctrl-Q will always be interpreted as the first layout |
| 22:49.26 | zarvox | not the active layout |
| 22:49.32 | troy | interesting |
| 22:49.44 | trappist | when I set up an ldap resource for contacts in kontact, the bind dn gets greyed out if I want simple authentication. how can I do a simple bind, and specify the bind dn? |
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| 22:49.56 | miwi | hi |
| 22:50.10 | miwi | someone a idea http://nopaste.unixfreunde.de/740 |
| 22:50.44 | Half-Left | djouallah, icons on desktop like that suck anyway |
| 22:50.51 | djouallah | g2g591, don't know really, here we connect using proxy, so no konqueror no konversation ( yeah the kde3 version) not internet |
| 22:51.59 | g2g591 | djouallah: nope it still doesn't work as of svn less than or equal to 1 Week old |
| 22:52.23 | djouallah | Half-Left, when i read the unfamous blog about no icons on desktop, i was so happy, but after that it seems that it means only no /desktop folder icons, grr |
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| 22:52.36 | djouallah | g2g591, yeah my brother |
| 22:53.33 | troy | zarvox: that's probably a three-liner to fix if someone was familiar with the code |
| 22:54.23 | Half-Left | it's amazing how many people dont use panels to put their icons in |
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| 22:55.45 | zarvox | troy: I actually think it's a bug in QT4, on account of it affecting wpa_gui from the wpa_supplicant project |
| 22:55.59 | Kenjiro | Half-Left: there are tons of people who just LOVE to put their icons on the desktop :( |
| 22:56.25 | zarvox | troy: I tried walking through the relevant code, but alas, I know too little about X and keyboard/mouse events to figure it out |
| 22:56.58 | Half-Left | Kenjiro, Old habits, hard to put away |
| 22:57.15 | djouallah | Half-Left, yeah you are a nazi icon desktop haters ;) |
| 22:57.27 | Half-Left | Kenjiro, I bet round wheels where hard to get used to as well |
| 22:57.40 | zarvox | hey now, let's be friendly here :P |
| 22:58.12 | Kenjiro | zarvox: ahahaha |
| 22:58.33 | zarvox | http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html <-- found that to be an interesting read |
| 22:58.50 | djouallah | zarvox, hehehe me kidding i always liked to use this sentence |
| 22:59.05 | zarvox | I figured :) |
| 22:59.35 | Half-Left | djouallah, I just think they are messy, why put them on the desktop when you have panels, OS X actually got it right with their dock |
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| 23:00.36 | djouallah | valid point give another way to put icons instead of desktop, and i 'll be your next friend |
| 23:01.29 | Half-Left | djouallah, Raptor menu |
| 23:02.14 | zarvox | I usually wind up either using krunner, hotkeys, or buttons on the panel to start apps |
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| 23:02.22 | g2g591 | hey, how do you move a panel to the side of the screen. as add panel won't let you say where you want it to appear |
| 23:02.40 | djouallah | http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/06/24/lsb-package-api/ sorry guy don't want to spam, but the comment from Sean Middleditch is the best thing i have read relating for linux adoption |
| 23:02.51 | zarvox | g2g591: click the cashew, then drag it where you want it |
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| 23:04.13 | g2g591 | ah finally i find hte right spot to click |
| 23:04.42 | djouallah | hal1on, last time, aseigo ( disgussed by my repeated complaints) has vaguely spoken about a new containnement when u can group icons on the desktop |
| 23:05.06 | djouallah | s/ hallon/ half-left |
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| 23:05.52 | Nyle | is it possible to have an animated wallpaper in kde? |
| 23:07.20 | Half-Left | Not that I know of |
| 23:07.22 | bwayne | a large movie plasmoid .... |
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| 23:07.48 | djouallah | Half-Left, it was just and idea ;) |
| 23:08.01 | Half-Left | :p |
| 23:08.05 | Nyle | what are some cool things I can do with kde? |
| 23:08.30 | bwayne | i like the idea of a "preview" plasmoid that one could drop files into and have them presented, whatever the format. |
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| 23:08.45 | g2g591 | Nyle: 3.5 or 4.0.x or 4.1 beta (1 or 2) ? |
| 23:08.48 | Half-Left | Nyle, Not putting icons on your desktop |
| 23:09.05 | Half-Left | :=D |
| 23:09.16 | djouallah | Half-Left, i meant his idea not mine |
| 23:09.17 | Nyle | I have 3.5.9 |
| 23:09.21 | g2g591 | sweet I just made a panel act kinda like Mac os X's dock |
| 23:09.35 | Nyle | I am tired of boring desktop |
| 23:09.40 | Nyle | what can I do to it? |
| 23:10.02 | djouallah | Half-Left, see this http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=83976&file1=83976-1.jpg&file2=83976-2.jpg&file3=&name=Glaze |
| 23:10.16 | mwharris | Does the task manager widget have a way to group tasks by application like kde3? |
| 23:10.19 | zarvox | Nyle: I like having 6 virtual desktops, fullscreened windows, and using keyboard shortcuts to jump between desktops |
| 23:10.28 | mwharris | I'm using 4.0.83 (beta 2 I guess?) |
| 23:10.45 | g2g591 | mwharris: not yet |
| 23:10.45 | Half-Left | djouallah, Similar to mine |
| 23:11.18 | mwharris | g2g591: thanks. what about stacking tasks? |
| 23:11.18 | djouallah | Half-Left, what this thing at the left |
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| 23:11.55 | Half-Left | Loks like a folder view plasmoind |
| 23:12.01 | Half-Left | looks* |
| 23:12.01 | g2g591 | mwharris: uhh, whut? no idea, but it can't do too much right now |
| 23:12.36 | mwharris | back in kde3 the tasks could be arranged in a grid if the panel was tall enough |
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| 23:12.58 | g2g591 | mwharris: nope, not that i can find at all |
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| 23:13.16 | mwharris | g2g591: ah. well hopefully soon. that was nice |
| 23:13.36 | g2g591 | mwharris: im guessing 4.2 ish , as 4.1 is in feature freeze already |
| 23:13.54 | djouallah | Half-Left, do u think a wish like ' please remove icons from the desktop as we have folderview now' make sense as a bug report |
| 23:14.09 | mwharris | g2g591: makes sense. maybe i'll check the bugzilla for feature request |
| 23:14.49 | Half-Left | djouallah, I dont think it should be removed, I'm just saying why use them when you have much neater methods |
| 23:15.26 | g2g591 | there will always be some who will WANT icons on the desktop |
| 23:15.58 | djouallah | g2g591, i meant icons on plasma desktop not folderview |
| 23:16.06 | g2g591 | yes thats what i ment |
| 23:16.35 | djouallah | g2g591, please they are damn ugly |
| 23:16.37 | djouallah | heheh |
| 23:16.41 | Half-Left | djouallah, Like my desktop http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2564/desktopcurrentsc0.png |
| 23:17.03 | g2g591 | djouallah: because they might not all be in one folder. thats why they made it so that in plasma you can drag a file from anywhere onto it and have it be an icon. (depreciating the ~/Desktop folder) |
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| 23:17.29 | g2g591 | make sense? |
| 23:18.12 | g2g591 | so instead of having a folder view full of about 30 icons you DON't wnat for just 1 or 2 that you DO want doesn't make sense |
| 23:19.31 | djouallah | hahahaha eve online and gta vice city |
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| 23:20.10 | Half-Left | Had the trial for a while |
| 23:20.37 | djouallah | honestly don't you think we are little silly, in the middle of night speaking about icons ;) |
| 23:21.01 | Half-Left | it's not night in the U.S :p |
| 23:21.07 | djouallah | Half-Left, are an artist or something |
| 23:21.24 | djouallah | Half-Left, still you live in the uk ? |
| 23:21.30 | Half-Left | djouallah, You are correct |
| 23:21.46 | djouallah | do u sleep sometimes |
| 23:21.57 | Half-Left | Thats what I'm doing here, being a artist |
| 23:22.36 | Half-Left | Yer, it helps |
| 23:22.52 | djouallah | ah peinhiro and company then |
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| 23:23.22 | Half-Left | djouallah, My work may well be sitting on your desktop right now :) |
| 23:23.39 | Half-Left | some of anyway :p |
| 23:24.37 | djouallah | wow that's cool, so i think u should be proud, at least one guy in the deep desert of africa is using your work |
| 23:25.15 | djouallah | btw what theme do u use in the screenshot |
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| 23:25.44 | Half-Left | Sim-Glow |
| 23:26.22 | Half-Left | Not done any artwork yet, just wallpaper enhancing |
| 23:26.50 | Half-Left | Hopefully 4.2 :) |
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| 23:28.13 | djouallah | ok it was a pleasure here it is 00;28 time for bed |
| 23:28.17 | djouallah | good night |
| 23:29.19 | Kenjiro | good night djouallah |
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| 23:30.11 | sirina | moin! |
| 23:31.06 | sirina | ok, tchauu |
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