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| 01:27.28 | Shadow_mil2 | Anyone know about Kommander Dialog Editor? |
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| 01:33.16 | dbglt | is there any reason why an auto-login would fail? I set up as root in Login Manager to login as my user (dbglt), but it tells me my authentication has failed |
| 01:33.22 | dbglt | (auto-login on startup) |
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| 01:33.41 | BubbaT | Is there a keyboard shortcut that allows me to toggle between tabs on konsole? |
| 01:33.43 | dbglt | does this work for anyone else? |
| 01:33.45 | dbglt | or is it broken? |
| 01:34.00 | dbglt | BubbaT: switch as in move to the next one? |
| 01:34.17 | dbglt | BubbaT: if you have two you can use the switch command to toggle :P |
| 01:36.11 | Jucato | BubbaT: Shift+Left/Right? |
| 01:36.19 | dbglt | anyone got any idea why the authentication would fail? Not sure what is not setup! |
| 01:36.25 | dbglt | (pretty sure kdm3 works) |
| 01:38.02 | ethan961 | dbglt: did you try in #yourdistro? |
| 01:38.47 | dbglt | ethan961: yeah, no luck, and it seems (from googling) that it is across a few distros |
| 01:38.59 | dbglt | ethan961: just trying to see if kdm is broken in kde4 |
| 01:39.26 | dbglt | (I'm using kubuntu): the last comment here is relevant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/211266 |
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| 01:40.34 | ethan961 | Maybe could be specific to a package version of something in several *stros |
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| 01:42.31 | dbglt | ethan961: not sure, not sure. I can revert back to kdm/kde3 and it will work fine, but I'd prefer to fix it |
| 01:42.43 | BubbaT | Jucato Thanks |
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| 01:43.37 | dbglt | does anyone her use autologin with kdm/kde4 and have it working? |
| 01:43.40 | dbglt | *here |
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| 01:48.33 | dbglt | could be a PAM problem, I guess |
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| 01:55.26 | mhz128 | Hello World! |
| 01:55.43 | dbglt | mhz128: hi |
| 01:56.48 | Shadow_mil | watches mhz128 carefully |
| 01:57.13 | mhz128 | Do the proprietary Nvidia drivers work with KDE 4? I recently installed Fedora9(kde4), and it ran painfully slow. Someone suggested to me that this was due to lack of nvidia support... |
| 01:57.31 | mhz128 | glances at shadow mil |
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| 01:59.01 | mhz128 | I tested kubuntu KDE3.5 with nvidia drivers, and it ran much much faster. |
| 01:59.25 | Shadow_mil | mhz128, KDE4 use OpenGL, but I believe you can turn it off |
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| 01:59.56 | mhz128 | oh! is OpenGL most likely causing the slow-down |
| 01:59.57 | mhz128 | ? |
| 02:00.32 | dbglt | mhz128: are you using the proprietary drivers in both kde3/kde4? |
| 02:00.41 | mhz128 | Shadow_mil: what video card do you have? |
| 02:00.48 | Shadow_mil | Intel chipset |
| 02:01.47 | mhz128 | dbglt: I had to install the nvidia drivers seprately in Kubuntu to make it run acceptably. I couldn't figure out how in Fedora :p |
| 02:02.03 | dbglt | mhz128: then that's probably why :P |
| 02:02.17 | dbglt | mhz128: you can diable "desktop effects" to turn off any need for acceleration |
| 02:02.24 | dbglt | mhz128: and use the 2d open-source drivers |
| 02:02.35 | dbglt | mhz128: or, find a way to install the propietary ones in Fedora |
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| 02:03.16 | mhz128 | ok, from my understanding, the "nvidia binary drivers" dont exist for KDE4...? or is that nonsense |
| 02:03.40 | dbglt | mhz128: nonsense |
| 02:03.47 | mhz128 | cool! |
| 02:04.05 | dbglt | mhz128: (I'm using them at the moment). Try #Fedora or searching google |
| 02:04.08 | mhz128 | dbglt: which video card do you have? |
| 02:04.16 | mhz128 | okie dokie |
| 02:04.37 | Shadow_mil | mhz128, if your having issues, either your card is not powerful enough, or you have driver issues. It won't be a issue with KDE4 |
| 02:04.41 | dbglt | mhz128: nvidia something-or-rather, about two years old, laptop inbuilt |
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| 02:05.21 | Jucato | there are problems with the nvidia legacy drivers that are fixed in the current drivers. if your card is limited to legacy (like mine), you might be affected |
| 02:05.22 | mhz128 | Does KDE4 need SLI or crossfire or something? I've only got a Geforce 7300LE |
| 02:05.31 | Shadow_mil | mhz128, no |
| 02:06.02 | Jucato | KDE 4 does not even *need* OpenGL |
| 02:06.06 | mhz128 | Jucato: what does the term "legacy" mean? |
| 02:06.15 | Jucato | it's only required if you want the *optional* KWin effects |
| 02:06.20 | Jucato | legacy = old |
| 02:06.27 | dbglt | :) |
| 02:06.29 | mhz128 | ah... |
| 02:06.40 | dbglt | mhz128: yeah, you don't need desktop effects, just prettier |
| 02:06.42 | Jucato | old, almost unsupported (they do release some fixes once in a while) |
| 02:07.26 | Jucato | so, no, you don't absolutely need OpenGL or 3D acceleration to run KDE 4 *unless* you need/want fancy effects |
| 02:07.29 | mhz128 | Does a list of cards using old drivers exist? |
| 02:07.50 | Jucato | yeah, from the nvidia.com site. consult your distro also |
| 02:08.42 | mhz128 | thanks for the info dudes! |
| 02:08.42 | apt | pas de quoi, mhz128 |
| 02:11.09 | mhz128 | Which distro do you guys use/prefer? |
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| 02:12.16 | Jucato | the question that has launched a thousand ships and has ignited a hundred wars |
| 02:12.45 | shadok | i personally prefer mine. |
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| 02:13.02 | Jucato | I would create my own for myself if I had the time and knowledge :) |
| 02:13.15 | dbglt | mhz128: I find kubuntu is doing a good job at balancing usability and features |
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| 02:13.55 | dbglt | mhz128: to be honest though, most of the offerings don't differ that much |
| 02:14.21 | mhz128 | haha! |
| 02:14.22 | shadok | Jucato: that was just to obfuscate which distro I use :) |
| 02:15.26 | Jucato | shadok: that was jsut to obfuscate which distro I perefer :) |
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| 02:15.41 | shadok | hehe |
| 02:15.53 | dbglt | are distros such a big deal these days? |
| 02:15.58 | shadok | "yours" I bet ? :p |
| 02:16.00 | dbglt | very little seems to differ |
| 02:16.06 | Jucato | shadok: yep :) |
| 02:16.30 | shadok | i'm always right at this game |
| 02:16.36 | Jucato | dbglt: for a first time user of Linux or the distro? yes. for one who knows his way around across differences in systems? no |
| 02:17.02 | shadok | dbglt: some use more stable packages, others prefer to use more bleeding edge ones |
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| 02:17.39 | Jucato | anyway, such is not a discussion for #kde but for #kde-chat :) |
| 02:21.39 | xichari_ | hello I need help |
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| 02:22.26 | xichari_ | everytime that I do emerge --sync I get this message: |
| 02:22.41 | Jucato | xichari_: you might want to ask in #gentoo |
| 02:23.13 | xichari_ | ok bye |
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| 02:25.20 | shadok | emerge never gave me "<Jucato> xichari_: you might want to ask in #gentoo" strange problem ^^ |
| 02:26.20 | Shadow_mil | lol |
| 02:26.25 | ozymandias3 | how do I move menubar items around? I made a classic style menu and it is locked int he lower right hand portion of the menubar |
| 02:26.25 | Jucato | does a seismic toss on shadok |
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| 02:26.39 | Jucato | huh? |
| 02:26.40 | Shadow_mil | why the hell has this channel gotten so many off topic questions today |
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| 02:26.50 | Jucato | oooh |
| 02:26.53 | Jucato | KDE 4 |
| 02:27.05 | ozymandias3 | soory, In kde4 |
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| 02:27.16 | Jucato | you have to drag and drop the widget in the correct place. if you miss... well... there's no way to move them around yet |
| 02:27.27 | Jucato | you'll have to remove and re-add |
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| 02:27.50 | ozymandias3 | i didnt drop it anywhere.. I right clicked and added the menu item and it arbitrarilly added it in a strange location |
| 02:28.27 | Jucato | menu item? oh I thought you were talking about the menu itself |
| 02:28.44 | ozymandias3 | "kmenu" in kde3 |
| 02:29.00 | Jucato | right.. so you want to move kmenu items around? not the kmenu itself? |
| 02:29.06 | Jucato | right-click on the icon -> Menu Editor |
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| 02:29.25 | Jucato | or right-click on the item itself and select Edit this item |
| 02:29.28 | mhz128 | I'll be back... |
| 02:29.30 | Jucato | if that still fails, run "kmenuedit4" |
| 02:29.31 | ozymandias3 | i want the button tha t opens kmenu to be on the lower left hand corner of the screen (same as default kde3) |
| 02:29.38 | Jucato | mhz128: with good news I hope :) |
| 02:30.02 | Jucato | ozymandias3: um.. we seem to be having a communication problem :) |
| 02:30.14 | mhz128 | Jucato: haha! what is good news for you? Winning lottery ticket? wahoo! hehe |
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| 02:30.37 | Jucato | what you're calling as "menu bar" is a "panel" (a menu bar is the File, Edit, View, etc. bar that you find at the top of windows) |
| 02:30.38 | ozymandias3 | Jucato: sorry |
| 02:31.07 | Jucato | now, those "menu items" that you call are called "widgets" |
| 02:31.18 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.38 | ozymandias3 | but I never had an option to move it at all, I guess |
| 02:31.49 | Jucato | right-click on the panel (your "menu bar") and select Add Widget |
| 02:31.54 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.04 | ozymandias3 | yes |
| 02:32.10 | Jucato | yes, you can't move widgets once they're placed. |
| 02:32.17 | ozymandias3 | ah ha! |
| 02:32.21 | Jucato | you have to drag and drop *from* the Add Widget box *to* the panel |
| 02:32.30 | ozymandias3 | i clicked "add widget" and it put it on the left of the screen! |
| 02:32.33 | ozymandias3 | er, right |
| 02:32.38 | Jucato | right |
| 02:32.43 | Jucato | er.. I mean "correct" |
| 02:32.48 | ozymandias3 | that was my mistake |
| 02:33.10 | Jucato | not really. it would work in the future once moving widgets in the panel is implemented |
| 02:33.19 | ozymandias3 | yeah |
| 02:33.20 | Jucato | right now it isn't (except in Fedora 9 it seems) |
| 02:33.34 | ozymandias3 | I assumed that "add widget" was how I added, not drag and drop |
| 02:33.40 | ozymandias3 | really? |
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| 02:34.08 | ozymandias3 | i am currently playing on gentoo since I wanted to try kde4 out before upgrading to 9 and not having a reasonable option of kde3 |
| 02:35.36 | ozymandias3 | christ the ops in #gentoo are going mad right now |
| 02:35.52 | ozymandias3 | I just got told I would be banned for being off topic because I asked someone to stay on topic |
| 02:37.55 | MHz128 | you're a bad boy |
| 02:40.28 | shadok | many have had issues with her |
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| 02:50.04 | Alethes | ozymandias3: we have a few ops here like that too ;) |
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| 02:59.43 | choronzon | hi. quick question. is there a way for kde to show the album cover embedded in its tags as the file icon? |
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| 03:46.52 | bwayne | i'm hoping to use the kdevelop c++ IDE to learn C++. |
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| 04:15.47 | Ketrel | Is there any way in KDE4 (the one that ships with Fedora 9) to get get the "start" menu to mimic the functionality of KDE 3.5? |
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| 04:19.38 | contents | Hey all, is there a way to manage kde system fonts from the command line? |
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| 04:21.18 | RingtailedFox | i'm sure, but that wouldn't be through kde |
| 04:21.21 | RingtailedFox | it would be throuigh drakconf |
| 04:21.42 | RingtailedFox | i mean, you can *try* kcontrol in the command line |
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| 04:22.11 | mhz128 | hello world |
| 04:22.18 | bwayne | Ketrel: I think it's a different applet. |
| 04:22.31 | mhz128 | How do I launch KDE4 after I've installed the packages in gnome? |
| 04:22.49 | contents | Thanks RingtailedFos. I'm actually in a gnome desktop, and I'm trying to figure out how to change the fonts in kde apps. Do you have any ideas? |
| 04:22.49 | apt | contents: sure thing |
| 04:22.52 | bwayne | logout, and choose kde4 from the gdm sessions menu. |
| 04:22.52 | mhz128 | i am confused! |
| 04:23.28 | mhz128 | hm, that sessions menu didn't appear after rebooting... |
| 04:23.35 | contents | oops, I meant RingtailedFox |
| 04:24.22 | bwayne | mhz128: it's not something that will "appear". it's a drop down dialogue box option from the Ubuntu Login Screen. |
| 04:25.02 | mhz128 | oh right. I am running Fedora. |
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| 04:26.13 | mhz128 | maybe I missed a KDE package? |
| 04:26.27 | bwayne | mhz128: try installing kdm. |
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| 04:28.43 | *** topic/#kde is KDE 4.0.4 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/faq/ | Bug Squashers are welcome in #kde-bugs | Don't flood the channel, use: http://rafb.net/paste | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde | http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ |
| 04:28.58 | mhz128 | ? I thought I had already installed KDE... I selected the main packages from the manager... |
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| 04:29.43 | mhz128 | kdebase, and kdebase-workspace |
| 04:29.51 | bwayne | mhz128: try /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 04:30.18 | mhz128 | nope |
| 04:30.36 | bwayne | try asking in #fedora then. |
| 04:30.43 | bwayne | man i love kde. |
| 04:32.30 | RingtailedFox | so do we :) |
| 04:33.36 | bwayne | RingtailedFox: do you program? |
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| 04:35.03 | RingtailedFox | no |
| 04:36.14 | bwayne | me neither. i'd like to learn though. |
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| 04:38.20 | miwi | moin |
| 04:38.23 | SAS_Spidey01 | As long as you can think, read, and type, you can probably learn to program |
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| 04:38.45 | RingtailedFox | yeah |
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| 04:43.01 | bwayne | SAS_Spidey01: neato. i'd like to learn C++, and use the kdevelop IDE to do it in. |
| 04:43.33 | Ketrel | bwayne: if it's a different applet, how would I switch it? (same as in KDE3?) |
| 04:43.40 | SAS_Spidey01 | bwayne: I wouldn't suggest C++ as a first language but it is doable |
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| 04:44.09 | bwayne | Ketrel: yes. add the applet, then remove the old one. |
| 04:44.18 | Ketrel | bwayne: ok thanks |
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| 04:44.43 | Ketrel | SAS_Spidey01: what would your recommendation of a good first language be? (been meaning to pick up programming again) |
| 04:45.08 | bwayne | Ruby maybe? |
| 04:45.15 | SAS_Spidey01 | Ketrel: Well, I started with C++ but in retrospect would tell myself to start with BourneShell |
| 04:45.30 | bwayne | SAS_Spidey01: shell? just scripting? |
| 04:45.58 | Ketrel | I've heard good things about python, would that be a good place to start, or would you also think its too complicated as a first? |
| 04:46.05 | SAS_Spidey01 | bwayne: well, when I started I knew jack-crap about programming and boolean algebra |
| 04:46.23 | SAS_Spidey01 | notes this discussion is better suited to #kde-chat |
| 04:47.06 | SAS_Spidey01 | Pythons pretty easy, not as forgiving at first imho as Ruby but a little easier to use the documentation |
| 04:47.43 | bwayne | SAS_Spidey01: i have a mathematics degree. some of the programming seems "recognizable" to some extent. |
| 04:47.53 | Ketrel | Well I'll look at them both, hopefully I'll like one |
| 04:48.11 | SAS_Spidey01 | bwayne: I've always felt one should either learn Programming or advanced Mathematics before learning the other ;-) |
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| 04:48.29 | Ketrel | that sounds like an impass |
| 04:48.37 | SAS_Spidey01 | Would make the task 1,000 times easier I think |
| 04:48.55 | rohanpm | bwayne: surely you used something like Matlab during the course of your degree? |
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| 04:49.24 | SAS_Spidey01 | Well, if you know 0 about any of it. The most basic concepts covered in one are sorta covered in the other |
| 04:50.25 | SAS_Spidey01 | Just like learning a new programming language, if you don't hang up on the little stuff it doesn't take very long to learn one |
| 04:50.26 | bwayne | rohanpm: yes. Matlab. |
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| 04:50.59 | bwayne | I liked Matlab. Only used it for linear algebra though. |
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| 04:51.33 | bwayne | Though one can use linear algebra for even, e.g. differential equations. |
| 04:51.49 | bwayne | or circuit boards. |
| 04:52.07 | techfinder | can any one tell me how to logon java server |
| 04:52.17 | SAS_Spidey01 | techfinder: ??? |
| 04:52.26 | techfinder | ya |
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| 04:52.55 | techfinder | SAS u know |
| 04:53.04 | SAS_Spidey01 | doesn't understad 'java server' unless it refers to a server written in Java |
| 04:53.24 | techfinder | means java channel |
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| 04:54.03 | SAS_Spidey01 | ahh, my guess would be /join #java |
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| 06:54.37 | Mithsir | Hi! Korganizer complains that it cannot gain exclusive access to its ressource file, so I cannot change events. I have used that file via sftp from another PC, but that PC is shutdown. It may have forgotten to unlock the file. What can I do? |
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| 07:07.02 | Mithsir | How do I unlock a shared korganizer resource? |
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| 07:13.22 | ethana2 | hey, I was wondering if KDE is likely to do something like this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=533255 |
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| 07:13.42 | ethana2 | I'm a gnome user now, but if kde does that and gnome doesn't, I'll probably switch.. |
| 07:13.56 | ethana2 | I've customized my gui to heck though |
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| 07:14.08 | ethana2 | and I'm going to want to be able to have the same customizations in kde.. |
| 07:15.49 | ozymandias3 | ethana2: you can do that in kde3 |
| 07:16.04 | ozymandias3 | any application you want can be used as a desktop |
| 07:16.05 | ethana2 | that easily? |
| 07:16.09 | ethana2 | ooooh |
| 07:16.13 | ozymandias3 | looking at the settings now |
| 07:16.24 | ozymandias3 | right click desktop, configure desktop, advances, choose program |
| 07:16.27 | ethana2 | how about scroll bar arrow buttons |
| 07:16.30 | ethana2 | how do I turn those off? |
| 07:16.43 | ozymandias3 | system settings, I think |
| 07:16.53 | ethana2 | yarr, I just have gnome and kde4 here |
| 07:17.07 | ozymandias3 | let me look at 4... |
| 07:17.09 | ethana2 | choose program? |
| 07:17.11 | ozymandias3 | not a huge fan of it yet |
| 07:17.18 | ethana2 | what program loops a video as background? |
| 07:17.23 | ethana2 | sound is not wanted |
| 07:17.36 | ozymandias3 | i think you can get mplayer to do that |
| 07:17.48 | ethana2 | uh |
| 07:17.53 | ethana2 | all gui, right? |
| 07:18.22 | ozymandias3 | well, mplayer accepts cli arguments, too |
| 07:19.31 | MedievalMutt | ethana2: I don't know if XWinWrap has a GUI but I've seen people use it to set the background to various things. Look at : http://lifehacker.com/software/linux-tip/use-a-screensaver-as-desktop-wallpaper-299410.php |
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| 07:20.28 | MedievalMutt | ethana2: Ugh, wrong link. Look at http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/09/14/animated-wallpaper-with-compiz-fusion-on-ubuntu/ instead. |
| 07:21.24 | ethana2 | I already do the screensaver thing occasionally |
| 07:21.32 | ethana2 | it'll be nice if it works with compisiting kwin |
| 07:21.35 | ethana2 | compositing** |
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| 07:25.18 | ethana2 | MedievalMutt: ok, now when will I be able to do that with four clicks? |
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| 07:32.26 | FiNeX | hi |
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| 07:39.18 | mhymn | heh, same here! |
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| 07:42.34 | Jucato | mhymn: don't try though |
| 07:43.04 | mhymn | Jucato: ok! but why is it so? |
| 07:43.13 | Alcapond | Hi after I upgraded to kde4-hardy and copied my old .kde I have some empty plasmoids on the screen that I cannot delete (they are there everytime I log back in). Where I can I delete them manually? Thx for help! |
| 07:43.18 | Jucato | mhymn: dunno. |
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| 07:43.46 | Jucato | Alcapond: #kubuntu-kde4 please |
| 07:44.14 | Dumble | hello ! |
| 07:44.50 | Alcapond | Jucato: thx - but nobody there :( - perhaps someone here knows where the plasmopinds are stored :) |
| 07:45.42 | Jucato | copying the old ~/.kde has no effect on the matter, Kubuntu uses ~/.kde4/ for KDE 4 stuff |
| 07:45.47 | Jucato | (and ~/.kde for kde3) |
| 07:46.03 | Alcapond | Jucato: copied .kde4 as well |
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| 07:46.34 | Jucato | try snooping around ~/kde4/share/config/ (config files) and ~/.kde4/share/apps/ (appd ata) for plasma stuff |
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| 07:47.15 | ethana2 | I think I'm going to dual boot ubuntu and kubuntu when I get my new laptop soon.... |
| 07:47.24 | Jucato | O.o |
| 07:47.25 | ethana2 | my main problem was cross-DE menu contamination |
| 07:47.38 | Alcapond | Jucato: thx - I will try my luck :) |
| 07:47.48 | Jucato | I think there are some utilties in kde-apps.org to keep them apart |
| 07:47.54 | ethana2 | oh |
| 07:48.06 | Jucato | is still puzzled by that "problem"... |
| 07:48.23 | ethana2 | what really bugs me is that most distros use swap for hibernate |
| 07:48.31 | ethana2 | instead of a file on their / |
| 07:48.40 | Jucato | hm..? |
| 07:48.46 | ethana2 | so multiple OS'es on a drive is bound to get messy, linux_swap can't be labelled |
| 07:49.07 | Jucato | afaik they use swap for suspend (to RAM) and a file for hibernate (suspend to disk) |
| 07:49.15 | ethana2 | oh? |
| 07:49.27 | ethana2 | that would be perfect |
| 07:49.34 | ethana2 | I was always told that wasn't the case |
| 07:49.43 | ethana2 | I'm happier now |
| 07:49.52 | ethana2 | only need one swap partition, makes my life simpler |
| 07:50.02 | ethana2 | thanks, Jucato |
| 07:50.05 | Jucato | that's just afaik. consult your particular distro for details |
| 07:50.14 | ethana2 | I don't know where to find those details |
| 07:50.28 | Jucato | though it would be weird if hibernate saved to RAM since that would defeat the purpose of hibernate |
| 07:50.43 | ethana2 | hibernate doesn't use RAM |
| 07:50.44 | ethana2 | yeah |
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| 07:51.51 | ethana2 | See, what I'm running into is that the gnome folks don't really think the way I do |
| 07:52.00 | ethana2 | and that gets reflected in the software |
| 07:52.12 | Jucato | don't expect that everyone will :) |
| 07:52.25 | ethana2 | ...but I've tweaked it so far past defaults I don't know if it can still be called gnome |
| 07:52.26 | ethana2 | yeah |
| 07:52.55 | Jucato | the good thing is, if you're really determined, you can do something about it yourself (code) |
| 07:53.00 | ethana2 | bounty perhaps |
| 07:53.04 | ethana2 | I don't code yet |
| 07:53.12 | ethana2 | I want to start with python, add QT, and then C++ |
| 07:53.18 | Jucato | don't expect everyone to be baited by $$$ :D |
| 07:53.23 | Jucato | Qt, not QT |
| 07:53.26 | ethana2 | ah |
| 07:53.29 | ethana2 | Qt, got it |
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| 07:53.39 | Jucato | QT = Quicktime |
| 07:53.43 | ethana2 | ahhhhh |
| 07:54.05 | Jucato | yeah, sucks... but we have to respect trademarks :) |
| 07:55.22 | ethana2 | I suppose I should give 3.5.9 another shot |
| 07:55.35 | ethana2 | I know how to use IRC now so I shouldn't be as lost |
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| 07:55.58 | Unrecovered | !ru |
| 07:56.18 | Unrecovered | Ñ! |
| 07:56.25 | pinotree | !there-is-no-!-bot-just-ask-your-question-in-english |
| 07:56.31 | Jucato | :D |
| 07:56.41 | Unrecovered | =))) |
| 07:56.59 | Unrecovered | my english isn't good enough... =) |
| 07:57.22 | ethana2 | google translate? |
| 07:57.27 | lemma_ | в ÑовеÑÑкой РоÑÑии bot ÑпÑаÑÐ¸Ð²Ð°ÐµÑ Ð²Ð°Ð¼! |
| 07:57.42 | Unrecovered | Ð_о |
| 07:57.55 | lemma_ | sorry, I couldn't resist :) |
| 07:58.08 | Unrecovered | i dont think it could be useful %) |
| 07:59.25 | Unrecovered | lemma_ ok, i'll try to ask... |
| 07:59.56 | darius12 | I wander how are those .sip files in pykde are generated |
| 08:00.04 | darius12 | s/wander/wonder |
| 08:01.42 | Unrecovered | i'm in fedora 8 now...i can't find package manager :D |
| 08:01.55 | Unrecovered | where is it? =)) |
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| 08:05.58 | Unrecovered | ÑовÑем ÑÑÑÑкиÑ
неÑ? =( |
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| 08:06.34 | lemma_ | Unrecovered: sorry, that doesn't seem like something we'll be able to help with. |
| 08:06.51 | lemma_ | Unrecovered: it seems more like a question with fedora8 which only few people in here use |
| 08:07.10 | Unrecovered | is gone to drink vodka and walk with his bear |
| 08:08.02 | lemma_ | Unrecovered: попÑÑайÑеÑÑ ÑпÑоÑиÑÑ Ð² канале fedora |
| 08:08.09 | ethana2 | oh by the way |
| 08:08.15 | Unrecovered | lemma_ 10x =) |
| 08:08.21 | ethana2 | I hear colemak support in KDE is better than gnome |
| 08:08.39 | ethana2 | does anyone know if it automatically turns of caps lock? |
| 08:09.15 | Unrecovered | ethana2 blondy? =) |
| 08:09.57 | ethana2 | I see no 'blondy' in this channel.. and I am confused |
| 08:10.15 | Unrecovered | nevermind... |
| 08:10.22 | ethana2 | off*** |
| 08:10.44 | ethana2 | I have a new learning curve I'll be tackling when I get my new laptop |
| 08:10.56 | ethana2 | my learning curves always take a huge toll on my machine's software |
| 08:11.07 | ethana2 | ;) |
| 08:11.36 | ethana2 | well, I'll see you later then... |
| 08:11.38 | ethana2 | 'night, all |
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| 08:12.01 | Unrecovered | night..? |
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| 08:15.13 | Shadow_mil | still has a uneasy feeling about all his favorite Linux apps moving to windows |
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| 08:17.48 | Shadow_mil | the KDE moto should be "Code is cheap, show me the screen shots" ;) |
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| 08:18.50 | salito | hello |
| 08:18.50 | apt | hi |
| 08:18.59 | Shadow_mil | salito, hi |
| 08:19.41 | salito | hi Shadow_mil |
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| 08:19.52 | Shadow_mil | salito, hello |
| 08:20.01 | salito | i am bugging my mind about which of the distros has the newest and most stable KDE as a default ui |
| 08:20.24 | Shadow_mil | Ummmmmmmm |
| 08:20.38 | Shadow_mil | "newest and most stable" is a oxymoron |
| 08:21.06 | annma | salito: most stable is kde 3.5.9 and all distros have it |
| 08:21.07 | salito | I am currently under kubuntu hardy, i intsllaed compiz, and every time i start up, i have to reload my window manager to get a proper view |
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| 08:21.12 | Shadow_mil | salito, if your looking for a good, stable, usable KDE platform. I would suggest kubuntu |
| 08:21.13 | salito | i ment 3.5.9 |
| 08:21.19 | pjv | what's a good audio cd ripper to use? |
| 08:21.53 | annma | pjv: grip |
| 08:21.59 | annma | not sure about KDE ones |
| 08:22.09 | pjv | ok ty |
| 08:22.12 | Shadow_mil | salito, don't brother with compiz in KDE |
| 08:22.13 | salito | kaudiocreator |
| 08:22.19 | annma | I use grip myself, not pretty GUI but efficient |
| 08:22.21 | salito | why Shadow_mil |
| 08:22.24 | salito | ? |
| 08:22.48 | Shadow_mil | salito, its not really meant to run in KDE. Its kinda been hackishly forced to run in KDE |
| 08:23.26 | Shadow_mil | salito, I would suggest waiting until KDE4 becomes stable before you get into desktop effects |
| 08:23.34 | salito | darn it. but i really like those special effets:( not the fancy ones. i like desktop switchin and billkey+tab:( |
| 08:24.03 | salito | ok. thnk you Shadow_mil |
| 08:24.07 | Kalidarn | ive been using compiz in KDE it runs okay |
| 08:24.11 | Kalidarn | but it does crash occasionally |
| 08:24.21 | salito | Kalidarn: what distro are you using? |
| 08:24.27 | pjv | hmm |
| 08:24.27 | Kalidarn | gentoo at the moment |
| 08:24.33 | Kalidarn | it shouldn't make any difference |
| 08:24.42 | salito | and on which one did you run compiz on KDE? |
| 08:24.42 | Shadow_mil | salito, it matters little which distro you use |
| 08:24.49 | pjv | Kalidarn: it works fine here :) |
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| 08:25.03 | Kalidarn | ya i only found yakuake causes it X to crash |
| 08:25.08 | Kalidarn | when running with compiz, sometimes |
| 08:25.09 | salito | that little is pretty large when it comes to these little problems, trust me. |
| 08:25.15 | Kalidarn | other than that it seemed fairly okay |
| 08:25.36 | Shadow_mil | salito, not saying that you can't run compiz ok KDE. But you loose a lot of that magical integration KDE has |
| 08:25.46 | Kalidarn | ah true |
| 08:25.50 | pjv | Kalidarn: yeah i use yakuake too! it's awesome. with compiz-fuzion |
| 08:25.52 | Kalidarn | also i noticed switching desktops is borked |
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| 08:26.06 | Kalidarn | pjv: yeh and together they sometimes crash X :) |
| 08:26.17 | Shadow_mil | Kalidarn, cause compiz uses viewports and KDE uses desktops :P |
| 08:26.23 | pjv | Kalidarn: not on mine :) |
| 08:26.43 | Shadow_mil | you'll endup with 4 desktops, each one with 4 view ports if your not careful |
| 08:26.44 | Kalidarn | im just saying, the lauch pager and the compiz-cube sides seem different :P |
| 08:26.57 | Kalidarn | yeah Shadow_mil |
| 08:27.07 | salito | for example, MEPIS runs compiz pretty good, but the system is pretty slow and a little unstable, sidux freezes everytime on xine a subititle appears, etc/ those little things have made me go crazy, and I am unable to find a-everything i need runs-distro |
| 08:27.08 | Kalidarn | so i just make KDE have one desktop, and then i use the 4 viewports. |
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| 08:27.34 | Shadow_mil | Kalidarn, yeah, cause like I said, compiz was designed for gnome, not KDE. |
| 08:27.44 | Shadow_mil | And I hated using compiz in KDE |
| 08:27.45 | Kalidarn | i think it's got something to do with the window manager :P |
| 08:27.54 | pinotree | no, that's another problem |
| 08:28.06 | Shadow_mil | kwin4 will save all our problems though :D |
| 08:28.16 | MrGrim | the game? |
| 08:28.19 | MrGrim | ;) |
| 08:28.29 | Shadow_mil | No, the WM |
| 08:28.33 | pjv | may be it just wasn't ported well :P |
| 08:28.33 | pinotree | compiz developed its onw concept of "viewport", ignoring the quite established concept of virtual desktops |
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| 08:28.55 | Shadow_mil | yeap |
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| 08:29.20 | pjv | Kalidarn: http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1395/yakhc0.png |
| 08:29.22 | Kalidarn | the thing that slightly annoys me is that even though KDE4 has it's own compositing thing its not going to be as fully featured as compiz-fusion's extra effects |
| 08:29.39 | Shadow_mil | also, I had a issue with the themes not matching between Qt and compiz |
| 08:29.42 | Kalidarn | yes pjv i know it works, it works for me too. |
| 08:29.52 | Shadow_mil | Its just a whole mess to run compiz on KDE |
| 08:29.53 | Kalidarn | but its only occasionally when activating yakuake does it crash X, not all the time |
| 08:30.12 | pjv | Kalidarn: i feel for you :( |
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| 08:30.19 | Kalidarn | its pretty rare |
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| 08:30.54 | pjv | Kalidarn: what kernel are you using? |
| 08:30.56 | MrGrim | wobbly windows and a useless cube aren't worth instability |
| 08:31.04 | Kalidarn | the point is the compiz-fusion team know all about their bit, if only it worrked well with KDE and then kde could focus on something else |
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| 08:31.18 | Kalidarn | to me it seems the implimentation of the wobbly windows into KDE4 is like re-inventing the wheel |
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| 08:31.34 | MrGrim | compiz is hardly the end all be all of compositing managers.. it's a tech demo, a toy.. a little "gee wiz" effects engine |
| 08:31.34 | pinotree | why? |
| 08:31.43 | Kalidarn | but suppose from a technical point of view it fits better with ther rest of KDE and avoids problems like the viewports vs multiple desktops one |
| 08:32.01 | Kalidarn | suppose MrGrim :P |
| 08:32.11 | salito | Kalidarn: you have to have only one desktop to run compiz with desktop switching:) and if you engage compiz fusioon, you'll have to restart desktop pager, couse it bugs like hell, cannot count desktops right. it is all to compiz those bugs. kde works fine without it. |
| 08:32.12 | MrGrim | that ultimate demonstration of form over function |
| 08:32.33 | Shadow_mil | Kalidarn, It gives the desktop effects integration into the KDE desktop |
| 08:32.48 | Kalidarn | ah kay :P |
| 08:33.06 | Shadow_mil | Kalidarn, meaning all your window manager settings in control center work with and without the effects |
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| 08:33.12 | Kalidarn | like i said i am unsure if it was a good idea or not, it could prove to be more stable though |
| 08:33.19 | Kalidarn | than compiz-fusion ever will be |
| 08:33.35 | salito | i like compiz fusion because it help me work better, it has grat tools to change viewports, to look between windows, it is function with a little bit of fancy fomr, i would say |
| 08:33.36 | Shadow_mil | Kalidarn, I found it quite annoying (on both gnome and KDE). That the two WMs had different settings |
| 08:33.45 | Kalidarn | mm suppose |
| 08:34.13 | Shadow_mil | and I configure the hell out of my settings btw |
| 08:34.23 | Kalidarn | yeh i don't ;P too lazy lol |
| 08:34.28 | Kalidarn | and not creative enough :) |
| 08:34.38 | Shadow_mil | I normally end configure the panel so much it, the gnome panel crashes due to it |
| 08:34.53 | Kalidarn | lol |
| 08:34.59 | salito | xD |
| 08:34.59 | Shadow_mil | I am not kidding |
| 08:35.12 | salito | it happens to me too!! LOL |
| 08:35.15 | Shadow_mil | I can't use gnome. |
| 08:35.33 | Kalidarn | yer ive used gnome 2.18-2.20 not bad |
| 08:35.38 | Kalidarn | faster than KDE 3.5 i think |
| 08:35.39 | Shadow_mil | When I try to setup the gnome panel, it takes a core dump on me, and deletes all my settings and stuff |
| 08:35.46 | Kalidarn | but not faster than KDE4 on my machine |
| 08:36.03 | Kalidarn | an ive heard of gnome doing that Shadow_mil |
| 08:36.08 | Shadow_mil | KDE4 still has a lot of issues |
| 08:36.16 | salito | gnome is a little too retarded for me. it is pretty goot and stable, but i can't feel good with all those feet over my desktop, and all those clean and simple things gnome has |
| 08:36.20 | Shadow_mil | But its getting there |
| 08:36.21 | Kalidarn | lol ;P obviously |
| 08:36.30 | Shadow_mil | Ill prolly start using it KDE4.2 or so |
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| 08:36.50 | Kalidarn | i do like how kicker is way more configurable than gnome's panels |
| 08:37.01 | Kalidarn | im expecting 4.1.0 will be okay enough to use every day |
| 08:37.13 | Shadow_mil | and it will get to KDE4.5 and be perfect, and KDE5 will come a long and be completely unusable again. |
| 08:37.18 | salito | kde4 is pretty unusable now |
| 08:37.21 | Kalidarn | maybe not as stable as 3.5.9 but still okay :P least feature complete as in restored features |
| 08:37.22 | Shadow_mil | IT seems like KDE goes though that cycle |
| 08:37.23 | Kalidarn | hopefully. |
| 08:37.30 | salito | :) |
| 08:37.35 | Kalidarn | i hope KDE 4.1.0 has restored features from 3.5 :P |
| 08:37.41 | Kalidarn | especially to do with the plasma bar |
| 08:37.47 | MrGrim | will kdeprint be back in 4.1? |
| 08:37.58 | Kalidarn | yeah well it probably will be along with kdepim |
| 08:38.11 | annma | Kalidarn: really? |
| 08:38.14 | Kalidarn | digikam, and that other tool |
| 08:38.21 | Kalidarn | just a guess annma :P |
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| 08:38.35 | Kalidarn | that kde4.1 will have the stuff restored :P so it can be actually used. |
| 08:38.36 | annma | kdeprint won't come back |
| 08:38.38 | salito | i think there is a whish list somewhere in kde4 site??? |
| 08:38.40 | Kalidarn | ;( |
| 08:38.44 | Shadow_mil | I honestly don't like plasma that much, I feel like I am having to beat my panel into submission a lot more then normal. |
| 08:38.45 | Kalidarn | i dont use kdeprint anyway |
| 08:38.49 | Kalidarn | i use the cups web interface |
| 08:38.50 | MrGrim | I'm waiting to do the switch for all the apps I use to release stable kde4 versions, konversation, k3b, amarok, etc. |
| 08:39.01 | MrGrim | irc support back in kopete would be a big plus fo rme as well |
| 08:39.24 | salito | Shadow_mil: i feel ya: when i used kde4 i felt like haaving to use a basebal bat to make it work:) |
| 08:39.25 | Kalidarn | oh yeah konversation, k3b and amarok i forgot about th ose |
| 08:39.36 | MrGrim | I don't want a mixed 3/4 desktop any more than I want a mixed gtk/qt desktop |
| 08:39.43 | Kalidarn | k3b an amarok will be around for 4.1.0 by the looks of it and so will digikam |
| 08:39.47 | Kalidarn | which is mainly what i care about |
| 08:39.55 | MrGrim | koffice and kdevelop too |
| 08:40.06 | Kalidarn | yeah i dont use those but i might start using kdevelop :P |
| 08:40.12 | Shadow_mil | is sad that amarok is going to windows |
| 08:40.24 | Kalidarn | im not lol |
| 08:40.39 | Shadow_mil | I don't want windows users to use my programs. |
| 08:40.43 | Kalidarn | unfortunately i am forced to use windblows when requiring visual studio ;( |
| 08:40.57 | salito | the ONLY reason i am using KDE over gnome is: one panel insteaad of two, amarok>rhythmbox, kaffeine>gnoem whatsitsname |
| 08:40.58 | Shadow_mil | visual crapio? |
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| 08:41.10 | MrGrim | someone offered me money once to setup a windows dev environment.. I said no |
| 08:41.13 | dps | Good morning |
| 08:41.21 | Shadow_mil | salito, you know, you can have one panel in gnome, and two in KDE |
| 08:41.26 | MrGrim | I am very comfortable w/ linux only |
| 08:41.30 | Kalidarn | :P |
| 08:41.37 | salito | there is visual studio for linux i think??? |
| 08:41.39 | dps | Is there any special config to speed up kde4 on nvidia? |
| 08:41.44 | Shadow_mil | salito, lol |
| 08:41.47 | Kalidarn | salito: is there a microsoft office for linux kk |
| 08:41.49 | salito | Shadow_mil: lol |
| 08:41.52 | Kalidarn | and a .NET :) |
| 08:41.54 | MrGrim | salito: ya, I have it installed next to office fo rlinux and IE for linux |
| 08:42.03 | Kalidarn | well i suppose there's mono but mono is far from the actual .NET framework lol |
| 08:42.09 | salito | i know that, but gnome one panel is worse than kde one panel |
| 08:42.17 | MrGrim | Kalidarn: actually, .NET is complete |
| 08:42.20 | MrGrim | did you miss the news? |
| 08:42.22 | Kalidarn | MrGrim: u forgot DirectX 10 for linux |
| 08:42.28 | MrGrim | erm |
| 08:42.31 | MrGrim | not .net |
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| 08:42.34 | MrGrim | mono |
| 08:42.39 | MrGrim | they have a complete winforms implementation |
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| 08:42.43 | Shadow_mil | salito, it depends on how you configure it. But if you configure it too much, it'll dump on you |
| 08:42.45 | MrGrim | and a complete .net class library |
| 08:42.52 | Kalidarn | mmm according to the mono roadmap it's somewhere between .NET 1.1 and 2.0 |
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| 08:43.08 | MrGrim | lemme see if I can di gup the news |
| 08:43.11 | sigma_1234 | how do i install kde4.1 from source on kubuntu? |
| 08:43.23 | salito | i hate when anything or anyone dumps on me:) |
| 08:43.23 | Shadow_mil | gnome is worst then windows in some cases (my opinion) |
| 08:43.35 | Shadow_mil | salito, I mean core dump ;) |
| 08:43.54 | MrGrim | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2008/May-13.html |
| 08:43.57 | MrGrim | there ya go |
| 08:44.00 | salito | LOL i know :)))) |
| 08:44.05 | Kalidarn | i dont like gnome's idea of having a registry database |
| 08:44.08 | Kalidarn | i forget what it's called ;) |
| 08:44.12 | MrGrim | "We are now API complete, which means that our public API is exactly the same as .Net's (all 12,776 methods)." |
| 08:44.26 | Kalidarn | mm nice MrGrim |
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| 08:44.51 | salito | gconf thingy |
| 08:44.53 | salito | ? |
| 08:44.53 | MrGrim | doesn't .net compile bytecode? |
| 08:44.53 | Shadow_mil | Kalidarn, gconf? |
| 08:44.59 | Shadow_mil | MrGrim, no |
| 08:45.07 | Kalidarn | yes thats right gconf :P |
| 08:45.09 | salito | MrGrim: use eclipse |
| 08:45.09 | Kalidarn | i don't like that idea |
| 08:45.21 | Shadow_mil | MrGrim, .Net is just a API, its use by C# and visual basic mostly |
| 08:45.23 | pinotree | gconf, gnome, mono and .net please to another channel -- thanks! |
| 08:45.29 | salito | it is pretty unusable that gconf |
| 08:45.36 | Kalidarn | visual basic can go suck on my cock |
| 08:45.44 | Kalidarn | i am being forced to learn it at the moment |
| 08:45.48 | Shadow_mil | salito, it is once you get use to it... lol |
| 08:45.48 | MrGrim | Shadow_mil: I dunno, microsoft calls everything .net these says "<appname> .NET" |
| 08:45.48 | pinotree | Kalidarn: and, please moderate your language |
| 08:45.51 | salito | can i just say oh cock on norwegian please? |
| 08:45.54 | Kalidarn | but i'd say c++,java, C# all the way |
| 08:46.04 | Kalidarn | soz pinotree |
| 08:46.13 | salito | LOL |
| 08:46.33 | Shadow_mil | I don't like Java. C# is too much like Java for me to like as well. |
| 08:46.41 | Shadow_mil | Plus I don't develop for windows |
| 08:46.43 | MrGrim | D forever |
| 08:46.46 | Kalidarn | C# effectively is java well microsoft's method of it |
| 08:46.53 | Kalidarn | i believe it came from J# |
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| 08:46.59 | salito | i would vote for: java, c++, c#, python and all the rest in that order |
| 08:46.59 | Kalidarn | whch was some microsoft copy of java |
| 08:46.59 | MrGrim | Shadow_mil: there are many c# linux apps |
| 08:47.03 | MrGrim | there's even kde/qt bindings |
| 08:47.04 | pinotree | guys, please respect the topic and bring your discussion elsewhere |
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| 08:47.07 | pinotree | #kde-chat |
| 08:47.10 | Shadow_mil | MrGrim, really |
| 08:47.23 | Shadow_mil | pinotree, ok, watch your channel ideal |
| 08:47.32 | salito | microsoft wants to overtake everything in IT worls, i hate them sooo much |
| 08:47.44 | Kalidarn | salito: your not the only one |
| 08:48.16 | Kalidarn | i might give KDE 4.0.4 a shot :) |
| 08:48.22 | MrGrim | anyways, looks like pinotree is trying to enforce a silent and idle channel again, so I'm out |
| 08:48.35 | pinotree | MrGrim: LOL nice trolling, really |
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| 08:48.59 | pinotree | MrGrim: i asked for "moving the discussion", not "stopping it" -- learn to read, thanks |
| 08:49.11 | salito | they suck in everything (redmonds) they can't make a proper OS (vusta sux), their office is unusable unless you are a somplete retard (office 2007) fancy stuff (pleease, aero is sooo discusting)... etc |
| 08:49.44 | Shadow_mil | idles silently |
| 08:50.08 | Kalidarn | windowz 7 will have ribbonz everywhere for the masses! |
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| 08:50.20 | Shadow_mil | Kalidarn, sssshhhhhhh #kde-chat |
| 08:50.44 | Shadow_mil | Kalidarn, the pinotree is hunting |
| 08:50.48 | salito | windblows 7, let's wait and see. maybe they'll steal again from linux and become more stable and more usable :) |
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| 08:51.28 | Shadow_mil | salito, #kde-chat |
| 08:51.51 | Kalidarn | what sort of tree is a pinotree anyway |
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| 08:52.24 | Shadow_mil | Kalidarn, a silent and on topic one. |
| 08:52.29 | Salito | sorry, i pressed a wrong button:)) |
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| 08:53.24 | Salito | which is the most user-friendly, usable kde default UI based linux distribution???? |
| 08:53.34 | dps | Please, i want to use kde4 but its so slow.... everytime i touch something eats my cpu.... |
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| 08:53.46 | dps | Any tip on how to improve its speed |
| 08:53.50 | dps | I'm using nvidia |
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| 08:54.03 | Salito | dps: little dragons inside kde4 are etaing cpu :) |
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| 08:54.25 | dps | Yes, making fun of it it's working |
| 08:54.28 | Salito | what distro? |
| 08:54.29 | dps | its all so fast now |
| 08:54.32 | dps | suse |
| 08:54.34 | dps | 11 |
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| 08:54.55 | Salito | that is beta my frind, nobody can help but another suse11 user, sorry :( |
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| 08:55.16 | ronino | hi |
| 08:55.16 | apt | hey, ronino |
| 08:55.17 | dps | errrr... dude... it's not beta... kde 4.0.4 it's not suse beta |
| 08:55.23 | ronino | what package to install to make konqueror show image size in file preview when hovering an image? currently it only shows the same stats as for any other format like name, type, size, permissions and such |
| 08:55.34 | Salito | is it any good? I am planing on switching to suse11 when it comes out |
| 08:55.46 | Salito | SuSE11 is beta |
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| 08:56.47 | dps | omg... a closed mind |
| 08:56.50 | Salito | i am following it;s release schedule from distrowatch.com, they say suse11 is beta right now |
| 08:56.53 | dps | ok, dude forget it |
| 08:57.05 | dps | just move on, i will also do that |
| 08:57.08 | Salito | i am not a closed mind, wtf!? |
| 08:57.15 | dps | yeah right |
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| 08:57.21 | dps | looking at a mirror? |
| 08:57.23 | Salito | whut!? |
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| 08:57.43 | dps | I'm asking for some tips, and you answer... it's beta? |
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| 08:57.45 | Salito | sorry dps, i do not understand you |
| 08:57.56 | dps | ofc its beta.... i know that, im just asking.... |
| 08:58.00 | Salito | i do not use beta software, sorry |
| 08:58.15 | Salito | therefore, i cannto help, i am sorry |
| 08:58.52 | Salito | i am looking here for a sptable 3.5.9 distro... |
| 09:00.29 | wstephenson_ | dps: ask in #opensuse-kde for issues with our beta |
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| 09:10.12 | dps | wstephenson_: Thank you |
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| 09:15.39 | Xbehave | whos responsible for the kpdf plugin working right in Firefox? is it the kpdf team or the mozplugger team or is it ignored by both? |
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| 09:16.58 | lemma | I didn't even know there was a kpdf nsplugin |
| 09:17.21 | pinotree | neither of both |
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| 09:18.36 | Jejem | lol |
| 09:19.27 | Xbehave | im not sure exactly what it is but mozplugger makes it work, unfortunatly it doesnt pass on / to kpdf meaning i cant search easily, thats a shame :( |
| 09:19.50 | Xbehave | it would be cool to have a kpart nsplugin or something that actually worked well so firefox can open anything kde can |
| 09:22.02 | Xbehave | but i get the impression most devs arnt fans of firefox and prefer opera/konqueror, so i doubt it will happen |
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| 09:23.02 | Sput | true, there is no good reason to be using firefox nowadays :) |
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| 09:23.15 | Sput | even google stuff seems to work mostly in konq now |
| 09:23.38 | Jucato | (except for flash not working once in a while...) |
| 09:23.46 | Xbehave | other than liking firefox, and its extentions i have to agree |
| 09:24.12 | Xbehave | flash isnt exactly great in firefox either tho, infact flash sucks anywhere |
| 09:24.56 | Sput | maybe that changes now that the specs have been opened |
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| 09:45.32 | Q-collective | hey all, I can't start my kde right now, so I'm sitting in console >_> |
| 09:45.47 | Q-collective | I get a few errors with startkde, can someone help please? |
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| 09:47.48 | Q-collective | for that matter, kdm has been starting for some time now |
| 09:49.10 | Q-collective | hasn't* |
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| 09:52.12 | Q-collective | I can start X sessions, just not KDE |
| 09:52.13 | Q-collective | :( |
| 09:53.35 | wstephenson | Q-collective: you've probably got mixed up package versions so kde apps break with a "missing symbol". check your installation. |
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| 09:54.28 | Q-collective | no, Gentoo keeps that pretty much on track |
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| 09:55.03 | Q-collective | I did run revdep-rebuild, which showed a broken klibido, I can't rebuild klibido though as the compile fails |
| 09:55.14 | Q-collective | but I doubt that's the problem |
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| 09:56.19 | Q-collective | klibido isn't even a core package either, so nm that |
| 09:56.20 | Q-collective | lol |
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| 09:58.35 | Q-collective | running 3.5.9 btw |
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| 09:59.29 | wstephenson | Q-collective: i can't help with gentoo issues, try the gentoo kde community. |
| 09:59.46 | Q-collective | well, it's not a gentoo issue |
| 09:59.50 | Q-collective | but a kde one |
| 09:59.51 | Q-collective | lol |
| 10:00.06 | Q-collective | but I guess that's worth a shot too |
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| 10:00.43 | Jucato | how'd you know it's a purely kde issue? :) |
| 10:01.43 | Q-collective | well, X starting but not KDE is a hint in that direction ;p |
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| 11:43.52 | Cebot | hi |
| 11:43.52 | apt | what's up |
| 11:45.09 | Cebot | anyone got an idea why my keyboard acts weird whenever i hold down a key for some time? the result of that is, that i need to hold down any key longer than usual to get the desired effect and the key is pressed twice then |
| 11:45.51 | annma | doing what for example? |
| 11:46.07 | Cebot | i have no idea if it's a kde issue, or an xorg one, but this box here is the only one i ever encounered that issue |
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| 11:46.23 | annma | doing what for example? |
| 11:46.40 | Cebot | annma, like when i press any key for some seconds (10+ or more) |
| 11:47.17 | annma | you press the key for doing what exactly? and in what app? |
| 11:47.27 | Cebot | it doesn't matter |
| 11:47.56 | Cebot | doesn't matter if it is xchat, openoffice, firefox...it happens with every app |
| 11:48.10 | MrGrim | Cebot: you're enabling slow keys |
| 11:48.37 | MrGrim | it's an accessibility features, and that shortcut being enabled by default is extremely aggragating imho |
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| 11:48.56 | annma | MrGrim: isn't slow keys only enabled with ctrl? |
| 11:49.00 | Cebot | where do i find it? |
| 11:49.08 | MrGrim | annma: or shift too I think |
| 11:49.21 | MrGrim | annma: it's the only thing that matches his description |
| 11:49.22 | annma | he said with any key |
| 11:49.32 | MrGrim | annma: people say many things |
| 11:49.42 | annma | but he does not explain further I guess you may be right |
| 11:49.45 | annma | lol MrGrim |
| 11:49.48 | annma | sure |
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| 11:49.53 | Rasi | hi |
| 11:49.58 | MrGrim | Cebot: in control center go to regional & accessibility |
| 11:50.02 | MrGrim | then the accessibility page |
| 11:50.05 | MrGrim | click on the gestures tab |
| 11:50.18 | Cebot | annma, well, recently i encountered it mostly when playing diablo2 via wine, where i hold down shift and alt very often, but i encountered it in any other app too |
| 11:50.22 | MrGrim | "use gestures for activating sticky keys and slow keys" |
| 11:50.25 | MrGrim | I think that's it |
| 11:50.26 | Rasi | i have some strange problem.. if i set mplayer as application for video files, it starts gmplayer instead |
| 11:50.28 | MrGrim | make sure it's unchecked |
| 11:50.31 | Rasi | i dont want the gui tho :) |
| 11:50.57 | MrGrim | Cebot: ya, it hit me playing prboom :) |
| 11:51.15 | Cebot | ok, i turned it off, lets see if that works |
| 11:51.43 | Cebot | seems to work |
| 11:51.45 | MrGrim | annma: I've been doing tech support for too long :/ I gloss right over things like "any key" by habit when the description matches something close |
| 11:51.55 | xjunior | hi all.... I just installed 4.0.4 here.the taskbar is really transparent with a black targe in the center? |
| 11:52.08 | Cebot | thanks guys...i was going crazy over that, always had to restart X to get rid of it :P |
| 11:52.08 | apt | Cebot: my pleasure |
| 11:52.13 | MrGrim | annma: it's like people saying "my website is slow" when in reality they can't connect at all |
| 11:52.20 | annma | yes |
| 11:52.23 | annma | true |
| 11:53.04 | Cebot | thanks again and see ya all with the next issue :P |
| 11:53.04 | apt | my pleasure, Cebot |
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| 11:53.49 | MrGrim | I feel so used :/ |
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| 11:57.07 | xjunior | I detected another problem after update my KDE. My keymaps are wrong (and different of the system conf) |
| 11:58.34 | MrGrim | sorry, I've never dealt w/ keymap configuration |
| 11:58.57 | xjunior | ;;;...>>>çççÃÃ""''qq |
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| 11:59.04 | xjunior | ops, sorry |
| 11:59.05 | xjunior | hehe |
| 11:59.14 | xjunior | MrGrim: and about the taskbar |
| 11:59.18 | thiago | what keymap do you usually use? |
| 11:59.21 | xjunior | do you know something |
| 11:59.25 | xjunior | thiago: br-abnt2 |
| 11:59.51 | Rasi | kde3 or 4 |
| 11:59.52 | Rasi | xjunior: |
| 11:59.56 | Psychonaut | Is there a way of preventing KDE from loading the default session on an ad-hoc basis? (Like, is there a key one can hold down during startup?) |
| 12:00.04 | thiago | xjunior: and what is it using now? |
| 12:00.08 | thiago | Psychonaut: no |
| 12:00.31 | xjunior | Rasi: 4.0.4 (I just updated it today. in 4.0.3 it was ok) |
| 12:00.40 | xjunior | thiago: don't know... maybe us |
| 12:00.43 | xjunior | US |
| 12:01.09 | thiago | what does the label in the systray say? |
| 12:02.34 | xjunior | thiago: it says "br" |
| 12:02.51 | Rasi | and, are you from brazil? :) |
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| 12:03.41 | thiago | xjunior: run setxkbmap -print |
| 12:03.44 | xjunior | Rasi: yes :) |
| 12:03.51 | Psychonaut | thiago: Apparently it's a known enhancement request: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123212 |
| 12:03.54 | thiago | what does it say in the xkb_symbols line? |
| 12:04.14 | thiago | Psychonaut: well, task still open |
| 12:04.40 | xjunior | thiago: Rasi: in Regional & Language configuration, there is a Brazil (br) layout, but there isn't my Layout Variant, that is "ABNT2". in keyboard model I have Brazilian ABNT2 |
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| 12:06.02 | xjunior | thiago: include "pc+br" |
| 12:06.31 | thiago | sounds correct to me |
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| 12:06.40 | thiago | check your /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/br |
| 12:06.55 | xjunior | thiago: but some keys aren't working... and they were before... like "fn" key for example |
| 12:07.34 | xjunior | wait a minute |
| 12:07.41 | xjunior | I'lll restart Xorg |
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| 12:11.47 | xjunior | thiago: the problem still |
| 12:12.57 | xjunior | thiago: the layout seems to be correct, but with some problems.... "home" and "end" keys doesn't work. directional (<-. ->, ...) doesn't work too.... "fn" key doesn't works..... |
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| 12:18.40 | xjunior | #kde-brr |
| 12:18.46 | xjunior | #kde-br |
| 12:19.09 | techfinder | ##linux |
| 12:19.26 | techfinder | ##java |
| 12:20.03 | xjunior | techfinder: my slash is not working... so I sent the channel name and then I can just click on it to join |
| 12:20.29 | techfinder | any tell me what happened when system get booted |
| 12:21.19 | MrGrim | ? |
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| 12:27.12 | xjunior | thiago: page down and page up doesn't work too |
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| 12:33.47 | xjunior | thiago: the layout seems to be correct, but with some problems.... "home" and "end" keys doesn't work. directional (<-. ->, ...) doesn't work too.... "fn" key doesn't works..... page up and down, del don't work too (and counting!) can somebody help m |
| 12:33.56 | thiago | seems like an X problem |
| 12:34.01 | thiago | does it appear on non-KDE apps too? |
| 12:34.09 | xjunior | lemme see |
| 12:34.52 | xjunior | hum... yeah... on mozilla thunderbird |
| 12:34.57 | xjunior | lemme try at #xorg |
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| 13:01.23 | bercik | http://rafb.net/p/dpc27V39.html look please |
| 13:02.07 | jazka | bercik: #gentoo-kde |
| 13:02.10 | Jucato | bercik: please ask in #gentoo-kde |
| 13:02.14 | Jucato | darn it... too slow :( |
| 13:02.15 | bercik | ok |
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| 13:02.30 | bercik | don't worry:) , Jucato |
| 13:02.34 | Jucato | :D |
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| 13:26.49 | codin | hi |
| 13:26.49 | apt | what's up, codin |
| 13:27.31 | codin | I tried to add a font directory with kfontinst, and refresh X and Xft |
| 13:28.36 | codin | the application segfault-ed, and now I can not start the X server, as it exits and the dmesg shows kwin: segfault ... error 7 |
| 13:29.22 | codin | do you have any ideea what did that kfontinst touched and prevents now the window manager to start ? |
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| 13:31.17 | annma | where did you add your dir? globally? |
| 13:31.42 | codin | no, that was locally |
| 13:31.55 | codin | in a user home dir |
| 13:32.46 | annma | try a new user then please |
| 13:33.29 | codin | that should work ... as from the root account I can start the X server and kde |
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| 13:34.45 | codin | I also tried to remove the .kde/ dir, i.e., the link and the directory, but ... I get the same result: X stops and kwin crashes |
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| 13:36.56 | annma | look in xsession-errors |
| 13:37.25 | codin | it is empty |
| 13:37.32 | ELITE_x | hi annma :) |
| 13:37.38 | annma | hey ELITE_x |
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| 13:40.48 | niuq | hi for starting kde over fbsd? |
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| 13:41.15 | niuq | im not sure if i have it installed or not, and if i don't i just could try pkg_add -r kde? |
| 13:42.44 | Steve-cal | Is KDE 3.5.x being supported anymore? I mean if I find a bug, is it worth reporting? |
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| 13:44.29 | sandsmark | Steve-cal: yes, afaik at least some paid developers are working on fixing them |
| 13:44.45 | sandsmark | at least if it's actualy bugs, and not just feature requests and wishes =) |
| 13:46.53 | annma | Steve-cal: there'll be a .10 version |
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| 13:48.03 | Steve-cal | sandsmark: I'm sure I'll eventually have to go with KDE 4.x since KDE 3.5 is no longer being developed, but I'm really not crazy about the new "feel" of 4.x--larger icons, and the KDE menu layout I prefer like it is in 3.5. Maybe this is a dumb question, but is there anyway to use KDE 4.x and yet make it look like 3.5? |
| 13:48.48 | Steve-cal | annma: What do you mean .10 version? 3.5.10? |
| 13:48.55 | sandsmark | Steve-cal: I haven't switched to kde4 myself yet (waiting for at least the 4.1 beta =), but I guess if it isn't already available, some 3.5-lookalike stuff should appear soonish =) |
| 13:48.56 | Jucato | Steve-cal: you can switch to the traditional style menu |
| 13:49.02 | sandsmark | ^^ |
| 13:49.07 | Jucato | "larger icons"? |
| 13:49.32 | sandsmark | try C-- |
| 13:49.43 | sandsmark | (as in "Control" + "-") |
| 13:49.52 | Steve-cal | Jucato: Yes, at least by default. :) But I'm sure there is ways to change that. |
| 13:50.07 | Jucato | what do you mean by "larger icons"? |
| 13:50.20 | codin | do you know is there is a theme for kde4 that looks like OSX ? something similar with Baghira for kde3.5.x ? |
| 13:50.48 | Jucato | the author of baghira didn't make a KDE 4 version, so no. but check his Bespin creation for KDE 4 |
| 13:52.49 | Steve-cal | Jucato: I mean that a new KDE4x install, everything defaulted to much larger icons than I was used to in 3.5. After messing with the K menu and other things, I realized I liked KDE 3.5 much better and simply didn't mess with 4.x anymore. So I didn't tweak the "large icon size" even tho I'll bet it's possible. :) |
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| 13:53.20 | Jucato | Steve-cal: aside from Plasma, I don't think any other part of KDE used larger icons |
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| 13:54.04 | MedievalMutt | I am trying to cmakekde the kdebase module. I get the "exception handling disabled, use-fexceptions to enable" error (in a CLucene header). I'd appreciate any pointers. Btw, annma, thanks :) KDE compiled fine last week. Just updated my local repo and I'm trying to build it again with Nepomuk support. |
| 13:54.11 | dwins | Jucato: the toolbars default to text+icon, maybe that's it? |
| 13:54.25 | Jucato | dwins: but not larger icons :) |
| 13:54.35 | Jucato | (but that change was brought about by the HCI team) |
| 13:54.37 | Steve-cal | Jucato: Hmmm... maybe I'm remembering wrong. BTW, is annma alluding to a 3.5.10 release coming out soon? |
| 13:54.39 | dwins | they still end up taking up a lot more space |
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| 13:55.46 | Jucato | dwins: true... but somehow I like it better... *except* when the icon names are toooooo long :) |
| 13:56.01 | Jucato | (which was one of the "dicussions" held around that change) |
| 13:56.10 | MrGrim | Steve-cal: she did more than allude, she said there would be one |
| 13:56.21 | MrGrim | which I did not know |
| 13:56.26 | MrGrim | I thought 3.5.9 was it |
| 13:56.27 | annma | MedievalMutt: are you on Gentoo? |
| 13:56.36 | Jucato | Steve-cal: can't really say about a 3.5.10, but annma would know more than me definitely |
| 13:56.41 | Jucato | by 500% more |
| 13:56.58 | annma | there'll be a 3.5.10 |
| 13:57.11 | Steve-cal | annma: Any idea when? |
| 13:57.38 | MedievalMutt | annma: LinuxMint 4.0 (Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon) |
| 13:58.07 | Steve-cal | So is it safe to assume that all subsequent 3.5.x versions are going to bug fixes with no feature improvements? Just curious. |
| 13:58.22 | pinotree | no |
| 13:58.36 | pinotree | you cannot assume anything about kde 3.5.x |
| 13:58.41 | annma | MedievalMutt: did you get kdesupport? |
| 13:58.53 | Jucato | but mostly are anyway. I mean they are mostly maintenance releases after all |
| 13:59.01 | MedievalMutt | annma: The CLucene library in the Gutsy repos is pretty old. I figured KDE4 needs the new version (0.9.20). I downloaded and compiled that. |
| 13:59.16 | annma | MedievalMutt: in particular di dyou build soprano with CLucene? |
| 13:59.19 | MedievalMutt | annma: Yes, kdesupport build went fine. |
| 13:59.39 | annma | but was SopranoIndex built? |
| 14:00.53 | Steve-cal | Anybody have any idea why the highest version of KDE 3.5 in the Ubuntu/Kubuntu repos is 3.5.8 and not 3.5.9? Seems like they would make the latest version available if it contains bug fixes. |
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| 14:01.22 | Jucato | Steve-cal: ask in #kubuntu |
| 14:01.25 | MedievalMutt | annma: I'll take a look, thanks. |
| 14:01.44 | annma | look at soprano CMakeCache.txt |
| 14:01.49 | annma | grep for INDEX |
| 14:02.17 | annma | my guess is that it was not found |
| 14:02.33 | annma | CLucene was not found and soprano index was not built |
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| 14:04.08 | MedievalMutt | Right, I guess that was because I didn't have CLucene headers when I compiled kdesupport. I'll try recompiling kdesupport and then build kdebase. |
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| 14:04.45 | annma | MedievalMutt: yes, totally that |
| 14:05.02 | annma | I tracked down the error with Gentoo pleple |
| 14:05.17 | annma | as the message itself is really non-informative |
| 14:05.34 | MedievalMutt | annma: Thanks again, I'll give it a shot |
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| 14:10.46 | LimCore | how to have it so that given USB (identified by serial number of the device) will always have 1st partition automatically mounted to /media/lol ? |
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| 14:11.33 | tech9iner | so.. anyone use wengophone please? |
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| 14:11.42 | tech9iner | just installed it in opensuse 10.3 .. |
| 14:12.13 | tech9iner | finding no proof was installed?.. no icons.. konsole doesnt like it.. bash doesnt show it as coplete.. weird |
| 14:12.16 | tech9iner | complete |
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| 14:16.21 | dps | Guys, is there a new way to unhide the krdc top menu when window is fullscreened? |
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| 14:18.11 | hsa2 | Hello there |
| 14:18.17 | hsa2 | I help about konqueror |
| 14:18.19 | sandsmark | hello here |
| 14:18.24 | hsa2 | *I need help about konqueror |
| 14:18.38 | hsa2 | I couldn't set search bar next to adress bar |
| 14:19.06 | vpilo | hi dudes & dudettes.. why my kde4.x panel does not resize anymore if I add to it a digital clock plasmoid, or the show desktop plasmoid? |
| 14:19.34 | sandsmark | vpilo: which version of kde are you using? |
| 14:19.38 | hsa2 | It's like that http://imaj.at/42303 |
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| 14:19.52 | t2 | hi |
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| 14:20.41 | annma | hsa2: what kde version. |
| 14:20.47 | t2 | 3 |
| 14:20.55 | vpilo | sandsmark: Version 4.00.74 (KDE 4.0.73 >= 20080515 "release 1.5" |
| 14:20.57 | t2 | 3.5 |
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| 14:21.34 | hsa2 | annma: kde3? |
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| 14:22.20 | annma | sorry hsa2 I meant vpilo |
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| 14:22.40 | hsa2 | annma: np |
| 14:22.42 | annma | hsa2: so where is your search bar? |
| 14:22.50 | hsa2 | annma: http://imaj.at/42303 Look at that |
| 14:22.55 | annma | vpilo: you mean trunk then? |
| 14:23.09 | hsa2 | It's at the below. |
| 14:23.14 | hsa2 | I want it at the same line |
| 14:23.48 | annma | hsa2: try Settings -> Toolbars hide location bar and then readd it |
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| 14:24.06 | annma | uncheck it and then close the menu and then reopen and recheck it |
| 14:24.35 | annma | vpilo: trunk is a work in progress and a breakage in progress as well |
| 14:24.37 | vpilo | annma: uuhhhh kinda :D Ive got the trunk snapshots packaged by novell for opensuse 11.0 |
| 14:24.52 | annma | next update it might be fixed then |
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| 14:26.48 | vpilo | annma: i hope it will be updated soon, last time I tried changing heavily a panel's dimensions and the stuff in it, plasma crashed and wouldn't load anymore :D |
| 14:27.29 | annma | vpilo: this is unstable, right? |
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| 14:27.41 | annma | you're not supposed to use it unless you develop it |
| 14:28.30 | vpilo | definitely unstable :D I'm working on a kde4 app (kmess) and i need to test it in its own environment :) |
| 14:29.43 | annma | you need plasma? |
| 14:30.22 | vpilo | i need a full-blown desktop to test notifications and other stuff |
| 14:31.08 | annma | just use plasma defaults and it'll be OK |
| 14:31.26 | annma | do you use qt-copy? |
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| 14:32.51 | vpilo | uhm i don't think so, the opensuse packages only say Qt 4.4 |
| 14:33.17 | annma | that's bad as qt-copy has patches and one fixes some plasma crashes |
| 14:33.23 | vpilo | they would have written it somewhere if it was qt-copy instead of the original qt sources |
| 14:33.29 | vpilo | ..i suppose |
| 14:33.31 | vpilo | ah |
| 14:33.47 | vpilo | i might consider compiling from svn |
| 14:34.01 | annma | I tracked those crashes down until I saw there was a patch already in... |
| 14:34.02 | vpilo | i'm thinking since a bit about helping the kde project.. do you know of anything helpful, articles or whatnot, about where to start? :) |
| 14:34.16 | annma | techbase.kde.org has everything you need |
| 14:34.43 | kdepepo | annma, openSUSE packages for Qt usually have patches from qt-copy, too. |
| 14:34.56 | vpilo | ok i was hoping for something more specific but i'll search myself ;) |
| 14:35.07 | vpilo | ah so it's plasma's fault? |
| 14:35.52 | annma | kdepepo: taht patch went in a few days ago only and was really enabled a few minutes ago |
| 14:35.54 | kdepepo | vpilo, if in doubt, use latest from svn. |
| 14:36.08 | annma | I just fixed it so it installs |
| 14:36.12 | vpilo | i think i'll try compiling then :) |
| 14:36.28 | kdepepo | annma, ah yes... svn is certainly faster to get the newest :) |
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| 14:36.57 | annma | Suse people are aware this one is important though |
| 14:38.34 | LimCore | can we improve kde discs & file systems? http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/8820/ |
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| 14:41.06 | annma | LimCore: did you test kde4? |
| 14:41.11 | annma | is that against KDE 4? |
| 14:41.33 | LimCore | annma: Im using kjde3 |
| 14:41.42 | LimCore | annma: is it solved this way in kde4 ? |
| 14:42.35 | annma | I don't have time to read all that page |
| 14:42.56 | annma | just add a note for people to check KDE4 and amend their ideas against it |
| 14:42.56 | LimCore | all 5 lines :) ? |
| 14:43.00 | kdepepo | On my machine, USB disks that are plugged in before booting will not show up in "New Device" plasmoid, I have to unplug and plug again. |
| 14:43.04 | LimCore | basically: |
| 14:43.06 | LimCore | (*) automatically mount this device when ever it is available |
| 14:43.10 | LimCore | is the option that I miss currently. |
| 14:43.11 | annma | DONE |
| 14:43.30 | annma | Mandriva doe sthat for me in kde3 |
| 14:43.50 | LimCore | when I plug USB, I get this popup window... but I dont like it since it always munts to /media/$label |
| 14:43.51 | annma | not really KDE work to mount stuff |
| 14:43.59 | LimCore | and I can not choose auto-mounting basing on label or device id |
| 14:44.00 | annma | so? |
| 14:44.07 | annma | no? |
| 14:44.28 | annma | KDE 3 is above mounting LimCore |
| 14:44.34 | LimCore | so I need to say "whenever poartition #1 on device label=KINGSTONE usbid=..... uuid=... becomes availabe mount it to /media/lol" |
| 14:44.42 | annma | the distro does the work, KDE3 picks it up |
| 14:44.50 | annma | really? |
| 14:44.59 | annma | Ubuntu? |
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| 14:44.59 | LimCore | yes, thats what Im trying to do |
| 14:45.05 | LimCore | Im on ubuntu 8.04 with kde3 |
| 14:45.09 | LimCore | can this be done there? |
| 14:45.17 | LimCore | (I was suggested to try to use udev rules) |
| 14:45.28 | annma | as I said this is hal automount or whatever problem |
| 14:45.33 | annma | not KDE |
| 14:45.33 | LimCore | I see |
| 14:46.02 | LimCore | but even if so, kde setup tool doesnt seem to allow to configure this functionallity of HAL |
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| 14:46.47 | magnus_ | hi |
| 14:47.11 | LimCore | so I guess hal must support it, and kde's tool - system config: discs & file systems must allow to configure that right? |
| 14:47.15 | kdepepo | Yeah, there should be a KHAL tool, similar to KNetworkManager... while it is not KDE's responsibility to manage hardware, some KDE tools for a GUI would be nice. |
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| 14:47.38 | annma | LimCore: who did that brain page? |
| 14:47.53 | LimCore | annma: brainstorm page? probably ubuntu guys |
| 14:47.58 | LimCore | I did that one report there |
| 14:48.05 | annma | ah ok |
| 14:48.17 | annma | see what we said and think about it |
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| 14:48.26 | annma | and see with Ubuntu people |
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| 15:07.37 | Soumya | im searching for my NVIDIA geforce 7000m driver for KDE 4 . can somebody help me ? |
| 15:07.51 | dps | what? |
| 15:07.58 | dps | Soumya: dude what's that? |
| 15:08.28 | Soumya | driver for NVIDIA GEforce 7000m graphics card |
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| 15:08.36 | dps | that exists? |
| 15:08.42 | dps | ok.... either way |
| 15:08.46 | Soumya | yah that exists :) |
| 15:08.50 | dps | what suse ur using? |
| 15:09.17 | Soumya | I am not using suse , I am using Fedora 9 |
| 15:09.33 | Jejem | hardware stuff isn't KDE related |
| 15:09.42 | dps | ohhh |
| 15:09.43 | Jucato | Soumya: you might want to ask in #fedora |
| 15:09.52 | dps | Yes |
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| 15:10.18 | Soumya | ok ya ! thanks 1 |
| 15:10.38 | dps | Soumya: http://www.fedorafaq.org/#nvidia |
| 15:10.48 | Soumya | thanks dps |
| 15:10.48 | apt | Soumya: no worries |
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| 15:12.13 | Razumikin | alguém ai fala português? |
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| 15:12.42 | Jucato | Razumikin: English only |
| 15:13.19 | Razumikin | vão se fuder |
| 15:14.37 | dps | Vai po caralho |
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| 15:17.24 | gallo1oscar | ta chido esto |
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| 15:17.39 | NTU | Do you know where I can get a good clean shot or um view of Kathy Lee? The book depository might be a good bet. The book depository depository depository depository depository! THE BOOK DEPOSITORY! |
| 15:18.05 | gallo1oscar | _n_ |
| 15:18.12 | NTU | Do you know where I can get a good clean shot or um view of Kathy Lee? The book depository might be a good bet. The book depository depository depository depository depository! THE BOOK DEPOSITORY! |
| 15:18.19 | NTU | help me |
| 15:18.23 | NTU | help me |
| 15:18.24 | NTU | help me |
| 15:18.30 | gallo1oscar | _n_ |
| 15:18.34 | NTU | _n_ |
| 15:18.36 | NTU | n_n |
| 15:18.39 | NTU | n_nnn |
| 15:18.41 | gallo1oscar | ^^ |
| 15:18.44 | NTU | _Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn_NNNNNNNNNNNN |
| 15:18.45 | NTU | THE N |
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| 15:18.51 | NTU | Do you know where I can get a good clean shot or um view of Kathy Lee? The book depository might be a good bet. The book depository depository depository depository depository! THE BOOK DEPOSITORY!Do you know where I can get a good clean shot or um view of Kathy Lee? The book depository might be a good bet. The book depository depository depository depository depository! THE BOOK DEPOSITORY!Do you know where I can get a good clean shot or um v |
| 15:18.51 | NTU | iew of Kathy Lee? The book depository might be a good bet. The book depository depository depository depository depository! THE BOOK DEPOSITORY!Do you know where I can get a good clean shot or um view of Kathy Lee? The book depository might be a good bet. The book depository depository depository depository depository! THE BOOK DEPOSITORY!Do you know where I can get a good clean shot or um view of Kathy Lee? The book depository might be a good |
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| 15:19.03 | jdavies | arg |
| 15:19.04 | MrGrim | ha |
| 15:19.06 | sandsmark | :P |
| 15:19.11 | annma | didn't see that |
| 15:19.12 | sandsmark | you scared one |
| 15:19.18 | sandsmark | two |
| 15:19.35 | MrGrim | jdavies: I almost spit my handburger helper all over my keyboard |
| 15:19.38 | MrGrim | that was hysterical |
| 15:19.46 | MrGrim | wth.. *hamburger* |
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| 15:19.57 | MrGrim | man that's a weird typo |
| 15:20.04 | jdavies | ann_cook: distribuance in the force I sense |
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| 15:20.54 | MrGrim | that was the kind of situation where pinotrees trigger happiness would have come in handy |
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| 15:21.48 | jill | hi all of you |
| 15:21.56 | sandsmark | hi one of you |
| 15:21.58 | sandsmark | =) |
| 15:23.02 | jill | can i change KDE source codes somethimes whithout any problems with creators of kde? |
| 15:23.18 | jill | or it is denied? |
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| 15:23.36 | sandsmark | jill: you can |
| 15:23.53 | sandsmark | jill: but if you distribute binaries of what you do, you must also distribute the sources |
| 15:24.09 | jill | always? |
| 15:24.16 | sandsmark | afaik, yes |
| 15:24.23 | sandsmark | but I'm not a lawyer =) |
| 15:24.30 | jill | )) okay |
| 15:24.44 | jill | and one more question for you, can i? |
| 15:24.53 | sandsmark | I have the whole day =) |
| 15:25.11 | jill | space hole? |
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| 15:25.13 | jill | )) |
| 15:25.13 | sandsmark | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html is the license KDE is under, btw |
| 15:25.16 | MrGrim | jill: most if not all KDE code is covered under the GPL: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html |
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| 15:25.33 | MrGrim | hmm sandsmark's link is probably better |
| 15:26.16 | jill | okay can i ask you about amarok here? |
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| 15:26.32 | jill | in kde |
| 15:26.38 | sandsmark | I think #amarok is preferred for that |
| 15:26.46 | sandsmark | but small questions are probably okay |
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| 15:28.19 | jill | how many chanels are there?))) good. When i set my mouse on simple text documents i see abrakadabra but i want to see the text. what can i do? |
| 15:29.29 | jill | may be it is cp1251 code page? |
| 15:29.51 | jill | shoud i convert all documents in utf? |
| 15:29.51 | MrGrim | [17:40] [Users] There are 25337 listed and 20004 unlisted users on 28 servers |
| 15:29.54 | sandsmark | I don't think I understand the question =) |
| 15:29.54 | MrGrim | [17:40] [Users] 42 flagged staff members |
| 15:29.57 | MrGrim | [17:40] [Users] 20177 channels formed |
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| 15:30.00 | MrGrim | that was the count on my last connect |
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| 15:33.45 | *** topic/#kde is KDE 4.0.4 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/faq/ | Bug Squashers are welcome in #kde-bugs | Don't flood the channel, use: http://rafb.net/paste | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde | http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ |
| 15:33.56 | jill | okay i will be back soon, thanks |
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| 15:37.02 | LimCore | I need to say "whenever poartition #1 on device label=KINGSTONE usbid=..... uuid=... becomes availabe mount it to /media/lol" |
| 15:37.05 | LimCore | how to do it in kde? |
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| 15:41.02 | *** topic/#kde is KDE 4.0.4 is out! See www.kde.org | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/faq/ | Bug Squashers are welcome in #kde-bugs | Don't flood the channel, use: http://rafb.net/paste | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde | http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ |
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| 15:50.57 | xenol | i want to, ask if is it possible to close all apps on taskbar with one key combination, and if what's the combination plz? |
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| 15:54.29 | buscher | where in kde-4.0.4 can I disable it that it always updates the widget/window/dialog when I move a splitter? |
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| 16:06.05 | balthasar_ | hi |
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| 16:06.14 | balthasar_ | ktorrent only needs one tcp port, right? |
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| 16:09.46 | tgillespie | balthasar_ i think so, unless youre using dht |
| 16:11.12 | balthasar_ | tgillespie: dht..? |
| 16:11.38 | tgillespie | balthasar_ its just another way of finding peers |
| 16:12.15 | balthasar_ | tgillespie: oh, that. nah, don't thinkso unless that's ktorrent's default |
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| 16:12.58 | tgillespie | balthasar_ im not sure if its on by default, anyway it doesnt matter, if the ports not open it just wont use it |
| 16:13.52 | balthasar_ | ok |
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| 16:16.03 | mar | how do i make my gnome apps look nice on kde4 |
| 16:16.13 | mar | (kubuntu) |
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| 16:21.01 | leptosom_ | mar: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=9714 |
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| 16:28.34 | smurfslover | hi there |
| 16:28.53 | smurfslover | anyone who knows if kandy supports the htc touch smartphone |
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| 16:50.09 | MaartenB | hi guys, I installed Fedora 9 with KDE 4, but I am a bit disappointed with the Task Manager, it is very ugly and only on a single screen of my three screens |
| 16:50.44 | MaartenB | is there anything I can do to fix this? |
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| 17:19.32 | Zelda[] | Hi, someone know this kde theme? http://carlitobrigante.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/nmap2.png |
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| 17:34.40 | drantin | not sure if this is kwin, or something else, but sometimes an applications child windows(term?) don't seem to work quite right... clicking on them raises the parent window and clicking the parent window raises the child... makes it really hard to do anything with the child unless i demaximize the parent and arrange them to non-overlapping places... |
| 17:34.49 | drantin | using 4.0.4 |
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| 18:15.47 | integer` | hello i have a problem with kitchensync . Whan i am creating Group with name in ru_RU.UTF-8 it saves like "??????" . who can help me ? |
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| 18:16.32 | annma | integer`: do other apps work OK? |
| 18:16.40 | integer` | yes |
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| 18:20.02 | Shadow_mil | Do you think, dumping all the KDE applications into will create a shock to the PC market? |
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| 18:21.38 | Shadow_mil | virtually every type of windows software will have to compete with this new software that already has years of development put into it |
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| 18:22.09 | cohonen | anyone here rember what the main user interaction deciplines with a gui is |
| 18:22.23 | cohonen | find select manipulate ? |
| 18:22.34 | integer` | annma, any ideas ? |
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| 18:24.47 | logixoul | hey kdepepo |
| 18:26.04 | annma | integer`: no :( |
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| 18:27.30 | integer` | annma, i also have same problem with syncing my nokia e50 by libopensync-plugin-syncml :( ( ru contacts like "????") |
| 18:27.38 | cohonen | is there a unser interface interrest channel at freenode ? |
| 18:27.52 | cohonen | user |
| 18:27.59 | integer` | Kaddressbook |
| 18:28.33 | logixoul | cohonen: #kde-usability for kde. I dunno about a more general channel. |
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| 18:32.56 | cohonen | logixoul: thx a lot |
| 18:33.39 | cohonen | I apologize for my channel unrelated question |
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| 18:39.38 | jill | what is the offtopic chanel name? |
| 18:39.59 | jill | to talk about kde, linux and more |
| 18:40.14 | jazka | hmm was it #kde-cafe |
| 18:40.15 | lemma | jill: you can use #kde-chat to talk about almost anything |
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| 18:40.20 | jazka | ah chat |
| 18:40.35 | integer` | jill, #windows |
| 18:40.41 | lemma | see topic :) |
| 18:40.42 | jazka | lol |
| 18:40.55 | jill | integer, get out mustdier)) |
| 18:41.35 | jill | to all, come on in #kde-chat |
| 18:42.07 | jill | shadow_mill, hi there |
| 18:42.47 | jill | shadow_mil* |
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| 18:45.24 | Tanktalus | anyone know how to turn off the annoying noises whenever I do anything in kde4.0.4? :-) |
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| 18:46.18 | Tanktalus | I get that 4.0 isn't really a fully-featured release, but I miss the level of configuration available in 3.5 ... such as being able to turn off all KDE noises (so that my amarok player doesn't get interrupted). |
| 18:46.18 | GraveDigger | Tanktalus: disable them in system-settings |
| 18:46.20 | vandenoever | Tanktalus: yes, go to the kde settings and in the section for events, there's a checkbox to turn off all event sounds |
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| 18:46.42 | GraveDigger | Tanktalus: read your sentence again and think about, please |
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| 18:47.06 | GraveDigger | Tanktalus: you have perfectly responded to your own message |
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| 18:48.07 | Tanktalus | I can't find a section called 'events' - the search tool at the top (very nice, BTW) doesn't show anything when I type "event" |
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| 18:48.34 | pinotree | Tanktalus: notifications |
| 18:48.47 | Tanktalus | All I see there is the system bell... |
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| 18:50.07 | Tanktalus | I could easily be missing a piece ... but I'm not sure where the missing libraries may be coming from... |
| 18:50.19 | pinotree | opening systemsettings, look&feel section, there's an icon "notifications", right? |
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| 18:50.59 | Tanktalus | pinotree: yes. |
| 18:51.28 | pinotree | click on it, don't two sections "system bell" and "system notifications" appear in a list on the left? |
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| 18:51.35 | Tanktalus | and it says "System Bell Configuration"... and that's it. |
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| 18:51.53 | pinotree | how did you install kde? |
| 18:52.01 | Tanktalus | gentoo packages |
| 18:52.15 | pinotree | ugggghhh, DAMN stupid slit |
| 18:52.22 | GraveDigger | xD |
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| 18:52.34 | pinotree | please ask in #gentoo-kde, we cannot fix their stpid way of break our packages |
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| 18:52.40 | Tanktalus | hahaha... |
| 18:52.45 | GraveDigger | Tanktalus: you fail |
| 18:52.46 | Tanktalus | that seems *entirely* fair. :-) |
| 18:52.47 | GraveDigger | xD |
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| 19:24.53 | marw | hi all. i updated kde from 3.5 to 4 and because of the problem, i'd like to reset all kde4 settings. how do i do that? |
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| 19:26.18 | annma | you should have had a separate KDEHOME for kde4 |
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| 19:28.23 | marw | yes, but i accdentally changer settings in "appearance" and i can's now set fonts to default. fonts are way too big (in window caprions and menus) |
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| 19:29.26 | annma | so what is your $KDEHOME for kde4? |
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| 19:30.30 | marw | to be honest, i do not know... (i'm new to linux). |
| 19:31.00 | marw | and why have you removed those handy icons left in the taskbar? :) |
| 19:31.34 | marw | and now kde is "bulkier", whis is the reason i switched from gnom... |
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| 19:34.27 | Shadow_mil | Are we SURE we REALLY want to port KDE apps to windows. Means we will have to start giving windows advice in here :( |
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| 19:36.37 | PhilRod | Shadow_mil: are "we" porting kde apps to windows? Some people are, I'm not |
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| 19:36.57 | Shadow_mil | PhilRod, well I mean the KDE community |
| 19:37.02 | PhilRod | (not that I have any objection, but it doesn't interest me. If it doesn't interest you either, what's the problem?) |
| 19:37.32 | Shadow_mil | PhilRod, well.... KDE apps have always been something special I could bait people with to try Linux |
| 19:37.42 | Shadow_mil | :\ |
| 19:39.12 | RingtailedFox | i'm not sure if this is a KDE issue or a mandriva issue, but i'll ask in here |
| 19:39.44 | RingtailedFox | when i type in a program name (like say, firefox), i get a gear icon, instead of the fox icon. how do i change that? (it's the same iwth songbird and netscape navigator0 |
| 19:39.46 | pinotree | Shadow_mil: well, from another point of view can be better: they can get used to free (as in free software) applications, then they can switch easily, with no troubles of "what is the linux version of my windows app foobar?" |
| 19:40.18 | Shadow_mil | pinotree, Yes.... true... but... |
| 19:40.23 | Shadow_mil | :( |
| 19:40.30 | marw | i "appereance" i accidentaly changed to one of those "big" themes. i had trouble to switch back, because i could not see buttons (big windows). sin then, all fonts in captions and menus (context desktop menu) are bigger than they should be. |
| 19:44.38 | jthomas | What is a good blogging software for KDE that works with Google's Blogspot? |
| 19:44.53 | Shadow_mil | jthomas, konquerer :P |
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| 19:45.05 | jthomas | lol thanks Shadow_mil |
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| 19:45.41 | sandsmark | jthomas: look on kde-apps.org |
| 19:45.49 | jthomas | ok i will, good idea thanks |
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| 19:47.05 | sandsmark | np |
| 19:47.21 | marw | that was kde crashing... i switched back to 3.4 untill updated versions arrive. |
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| 19:56.57 | el1te | sup all |
| 19:57.15 | el1te | im running kde4.04 on kubuntu 8.04 kde remix |
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| 19:57.42 | annma | kde remix, I like that |
| 19:57.50 | el1te | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.06 | el1te | that is what im trying to do now |
| 19:58.31 | el1te | i dont see an over ride device location |
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| 19:59.57 | el1te | can someone help me |
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| 20:03.45 | polz_ | is there any way to turn off the status bar in konqueror under kde4 |
| 20:04.13 | annma | no |
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| 20:04.41 | annma | well there's a hack but I don't remember which |
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| 20:08.17 | el1te | yea i need that |
| 20:08.27 | el1te | who here knows what it would be |
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| 20:25.06 | thm | my kde apps are very chatty, printing a lot of debug information. can this be disabled at runtime or is there a compile time switch only? |
| 20:25.40 | el1te | kde 4.04 can someone help me |
| 20:26.52 | SSJ_GZ | thm: kdebugdialog - may or may not require the app to be restarted. |
| 20:27.45 | thm | SSJ_GZ: cool. is this permanent? |
| 20:28.08 | SSJ_GZ | thm: Nope - you can just toggle everything back when you want chatty apps again :) |
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| 20:39.46 | MaartenB | hi guys, is it possible to have a taskbar on multiple screens in kde 4? |
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| 20:42.10 | RingtailedFox | i think so |
| 20:42.13 | RingtailedFox | but i d o n't know how it's done |
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| 20:44.05 | thiago_home | MaartenB: yes, but KDE 4.1 |
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| 21:02.00 | movement | is there any way to convince k3b to burn CD copies faster? It's decoding, normalising, etc. every time I click 'Burn' |
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| 21:03.26 | Shadow_mil | movement, you need to have a sit down chat with it. It normally likes hot green tea. But it scares easily so don't offend it when you present your arguments. |
| 21:05.02 | movement | Shadow_mil: cheers :) |
| 21:05.10 | MaartenB | thiago_home, :(, I guess I have to wait for Fedora to update KDE then :) |
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| 21:07.37 | Rioting_pacifist | is it possible to sync firefox3 bookmarks and kde3 ? |
| 21:08.34 | GraveDigger | what is "nepomuk"? |
| 21:08.39 | GraveDigger | in kde4(.0)? |
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| 21:10.17 | shaman | it's one of the ANCIENT WORDS used to raise R'lyeh from the depths and awake mighty Cthulhu |
| 21:10.28 | shaman | or possibly, something to do with software |
| 21:11.43 | GraveDigger | and what is it actually? |
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| 21:23.26 | kdepepo | GraveDigger, it is a semantic web of tags and properties, something like a database of meta data for all files. |
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| 21:24.18 | GraveDigger | kdepepo: oh great, thanks =) |
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| 21:25.02 | kdepepo | GraveDigger, having everything in a single database you could create a query like "show me all pictures that I recieved from Ingo between march and may and that I have not rated yet." |
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| 21:28.24 | kdepepo | GraveDigger, most of the database functionality is present in 4.1, but the query app may be too late to have in 4.1. In 4.0 I think nepomuk isnt used at all. |
| 21:30.06 | GraveDigger | kdepepo: okay, good to know |
| 21:30.10 | GraveDigger | kdepepo: thanks for the info |
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| 22:16.04 | Tanktalus | is there a kde-4 newsreader? :-) |
| 22:16.42 | Shadow_mil | Tanktalus, yes |
| 22:16.49 | Shadow_mil | Tanktalus, you looking for RSS? |
| 22:18.13 | Tanktalus | Shadow_mil: no, usenet |
| 22:18.31 | Shadow_mil | Ah, yeah don't remember its name though |
| 22:18.38 | Shadow_mil | its kinda old IIRC |
| 22:18.40 | Tanktalus | Perhaps I'm missing it, but I don't currently see kmail and knode in the kde-4 stream... |
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| 22:19.20 | Tanktalus | 's new computer (1 week old today) is currently *bleeding* edge... hopefully not for long. |
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| 22:20.28 | Tanktalus | ugh... switching desktops has a long delay before I can switch back .. hmmm. |
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| 22:21.42 | sandsmark | KDEmod4 on Arch Linux has kdepim packages =) |
| 22:21.46 | sandsmark | and cookies |
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| 22:24.48 | Tanktalus | sandsmark: hmmm... interesting! |
| 22:25.48 | g2g591 | Gentoo has the same thing, except the kde 4.1 packages pull directly from anonsvn.kde.org |
| 22:26.01 | g2g591 | we got custom kernel configs and pizza |
| 22:26.08 | g2g591 | oh, and soda |
| 22:26.11 | sandsmark | we have binary packages |
| 22:26.24 | sandsmark | and hand-built packages by genius packagers =) |
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| 22:26.41 | Shadow_mil | Don't binary packages defeat the purpose of gentoo? |
| 22:26.48 | sandsmark | we aren't gentoo |
| 22:26.50 | sandsmark | we are on arch |
| 22:27.06 | sandsmark | I used to use Gentoo, but then I found out how silly it was to compile everything |
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| 22:28.49 | hsa2 | Hello. |
| 22:28.51 | sandsmark | hi |
| 22:29.06 | hsa2 | My back/forward mouse buttons aren't working on konqueror |
| 22:29.11 | hsa2 | Is this a bug or what? |
| 22:29.36 | g2g591 | hsa2: its probabily an X issue, join #yourdistro for specific help on how to fix this |
| 22:29.52 | hsa2 | g2g591: Thx. I'll try. |
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| 22:31.11 | mar | what i should do so my kde4 changes would remain the same after i restart x or pc |
| 22:31.26 | mar | i mean for example if i add program to panel |
| 22:31.33 | xjunior | hi, in kde 4.0.4, my taskbar is transparent in the borders, but have a black and large targe in the center. is it a bug or anything like? |
| 22:31.35 | mar | after x restart it won't be there |
| 22:31.55 | g2g591 | mar: all you have to do is logoff using the kmenu or right clikcing on the desktop -> logoff |
| 22:32.30 | mar | okey, will try |
| 22:32.32 | g2g591 | mar: or shutingdown/restarting using either of those methods |
| 22:32.38 | mar | ty |
| 22:33.35 | mar | another problem with non kde apps style, i check the tick in settings and after i apply, close, open settings again it's not checked |
| 22:33.50 | mar | anything i could do? |
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| 22:37.28 | Tanktalus | is there a hope-to-release date for kde 4.1? :-) |
| 22:37.34 | g2g591 | hmmm, mar: if its a gtk app, your mostly out of luck, though there are a few apps out there |
| 22:37.57 | mar | yeah i saw a few of those |
| 22:38.09 | mar | but nothing from apt that works |
| 22:38.33 | g2g591 | Tanktalus: July 29th, Today starts the Hard feature freeze |
| 22:38.48 | Tanktalus | g2g591: thanks! |
| 22:38.52 | g2g591 | Tanktalus: it only gets more stable from here |
| 22:39.24 | g2g591 | Tanktalus: in 8 days you might want to try beta 2 |
| 22:39.39 | Tanktalus | just wants his kmail back... well, that and a vpn client that *works* ... |
| 22:40.31 | mar | yeah, there's still a lot of work to be done with kde |
| 22:40.33 | mar | kde4 |
| 22:41.14 | g2g591 | mar: tried a recent svn checkout?? its rather stable |
| 22:41.44 | xjunior | hi, in kde 4.0.4, my taskbar is transparent in the borders, but have a black and large targe in the center. is it a bug or anything like? |
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| 22:42.51 | mar | g2g591, you mean compile it myself? no, thanks |
| 22:42.51 | mar | :) |
| 22:43.18 | MetaMorfoziS | Hi all |
| 22:43.25 | MetaMorfoziS | Is there anyone who uses kdenlive? |
| 22:43.31 | MetaMorfoziS | Or used, or anything:) |
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| 22:43.57 | MetaMorfoziS | I can't export with it, i don't know why but it only exports the last piece of my video |
| 22:44.18 | MetaMorfoziS | but it works on it as much time as the full rendering needs... |
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| 22:44.45 | MetaMorfoziS | Any idea? Thanks in advance:) |
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| 22:49.25 | g2g591 | mar: luckily my distro knows how to compile it itself |
| 22:49.45 | mar | good for u |
| 22:50.28 | g2g591 | mar: actually all you need to do is cmake -i ./ (when you are in the source directory) |
| 22:50.41 | g2g591 | mar: then your generic make and make install |
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| 22:50.53 | mar | yeah, and download 1G of libs |
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| 22:51.59 | mardi_soir | hello |
| 22:52.16 | mardi_soir | i d like to enable entities instead of accent in quanta editor ("é" not "é" for example ) |
| 22:52.28 | mar | g |
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| 22:52.36 | mar | g2g591, maybe you'll understand this error: |
| 22:52.36 | mar | make[2]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/qt4engine.dir/qt_theme_draw.o] Error 1 |
| 22:52.37 | mar | make[1]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/qt4engine.dir/all] Error 2 |
| 22:52.37 | mar | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 22:53.05 | g2g591 | mar: you didnt scroll up enough to catch the actual error, its only about one or two lines further up |
| 22:53.21 | mar | only warnings there |
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| 22:53.33 | g2g591 | mar: then keep scrolling |
| 22:53.47 | mar | oh, got one |
| 22:53.47 | mar | /home/mar/gtk-qt-engine/src/qt_theme_draw.c:119: error: implicit declaration of function âabsâ |
| 22:53.48 | mar | nice |
| 22:53.54 | MetaMorfoziS | Johny Scroller |
| 22:53.58 | MetaMorfoziS | Keep scrolling. |
| 22:54.38 | g2g591 | I know my make error output |
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| 22:55.19 | mar | so, do i have to code C now? |
| 22:55.19 | mar | :0 |
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| 22:55.23 | g2g591 | mar: got the fix, add #include <stdlib.h> in gtk-qt-engine/src/qt_theme_draw.c |
| 22:55.32 | g2g591 | mar: at the top of course |
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| 22:55.49 | g2g591 | mar: got that off of the kde-look.org page |
| 22:56.02 | mar | yeah |
| 22:56.07 | g2g591 | mar: then rerun make... |
| 22:56.18 | mar | now it compiles |
| 22:56.25 | mar | how is it possible to make such mistake? |
| 22:56.44 | mar | i mean do programers don't compile their programs? |
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| 22:56.57 | g2g591 | mar: they should ... |
| 22:57.43 | mar | um |
| 22:57.44 | mar | FILE INSTALL cannot copy file "/home/mar/gtk-qt-engine/lib/libqt4engine.so" to "/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqt4engine.so". |
| 22:57.50 | mar | i have to kill x and then make install? |
| 22:57.54 | Mathman | not every build environment is the same... |
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| 22:58.22 | g2g591 | mar:no, make clean, then make , then make install, it seems taht something didnt get compiled, so try recompiling... |
| 22:58.29 | Mathman | mar: sounds to me like you're not root |
| 22:58.39 | mar | Mathman, yeah, right |
| 22:58.50 | g2g591 | mar: or you might not be root |
| 22:58.59 | mar | forgot sudo |
| 22:59.19 | g2g591 | mar: sudo -i is nice for running lots commands as root |
| 22:59.20 | mar | lets restart X and see if it will work |
| 22:59.41 | mar | g2g591, didn't know that, i always used sudo bash :) |
| 22:59.57 | g2g591 | mar: you dont need to restart X, you need to tell gtk to use that new engine , thats all, then start a gtk app to test it |
| 23:00.26 | mar | how to i do that |
| 23:00.50 | mar | probably README will do |
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| 23:01.24 | g2g591 | mar: not sure.. I installed gk-kde4 , which has a kcm module that does it |
| 23:01.51 | mar | you mean gtk-kde4? |
| 23:01.53 | g2g591 | mar: oh, and it also does nice things like let gtk copy your kde 4's look |
| 23:02.00 | g2g591 | mar: probabily |
| 23:02.22 | mar | mar@mar:~/gtk-qt-engine$ apt-cache search gtk-kde4 |
| 23:02.22 | mar | mar@mar:~/gtk-qt-engine$ |
| 23:02.25 | mar | no luck today |
| 23:02.53 | g2g591 | mar: just build it from apps or look -.kde.org |
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| 23:10.43 | mar | mar@mar:~/Desktop/gtk-kde4$ cmake . |
| 23:10.43 | mar | CMake Error: Error in cmake code at |
| 23:10.43 | mar | /home/mar/Desktop/gtk-kde4/CMakeLists.txt:4: |
| 23:10.43 | mar | INSTALL FILES given no DESTINATION! |
| 23:10.43 | mar | um? |
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| 23:16.35 | mar | okey, installed |
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| 23:18.20 | mar | trying to restart x |
| 23:18.44 | boxfire | is there a way to set up my touch pad so that the right side scrolls? |
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| 23:19.04 | boxfire | right now its just a normal mouse device |
| 23:19.17 | boxfire | with the whole area as mouse and tap to click |
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| 23:23.30 | dwins | boxfire: if your touchpad is a synaptics device (which it probably is) you should be able to install ksynaptics and configure it to use the edge to scroll |
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| 23:28.40 | boxfire | dwins: thanks |
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| 23:57.19 | Jucato | huh? what? |
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| 23:58.50 | daskReech | Never mind I think it may be deeper in the system |
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| 23:59.02 | daskReech | I have a script that I tried to run by clicking on it |
| 23:59.04 | daskReech | Wasn't worknig |
