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| 00:05.06 | g2g591 | anyone know an oxygen icon set for firefox? |
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| 00:15.03 | g2g591 | ooh, i found one in the svn |
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| 00:53.49 | utopia_ | how do i add items to the KDE menu bar? |
| 00:54.30 | g2g591 | utopia_: drag and drop, or what kde version? |
| 00:54.52 | Jucato | "kmenuedit" (or kmenuedit4 maybe) |
| 00:54.54 | g2g591 | if you drag an icon from your kmenu onto your bar, it should create an icon |
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| 00:55.11 | utopia_ | alright |
| 00:55.12 | utopia_ | thanks |
| 00:55.16 | Jucato | er sorry |
| 00:55.21 | Jucato | not thinkin straight :( |
| 00:55.24 | g2g591 | kmenuedit hasn't been ported to kde 4 yet Jucato (3.5.x still works) |
| 00:55.37 | Jucato | g2g591: it's not the correct answer either |
| 00:55.42 | Jucato | :( |
| 00:56.18 | g2g591 | Jucato: go get some caffine , it always helps me think stragiht |
| 00:56.41 | pinotree | g2g591: kmenuedit actually was shipped with kde 4.0... |
| 00:56.45 | Jucato | g2g591: that makes me sleepy :) |
| 00:56.55 | g2g591 | pinotree: hmm |
| 00:57.12 | g2g591 | oh, thats news to me |
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| 00:57.34 | g2g591 | i guess the differences wern't notice able |
| 00:57.43 | utopia_ | cool i got it :) |
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| 01:18.51 | jorge_ | hola |
| 01:18.59 | jorge_ | alguien habla español |
| 01:19.13 | jorge_ | soy novato con linux |
| 01:20.06 | kuadrosx | yo, entra a #kde-es |
| 01:21.43 | jorge_ | ok y dode lo encuentro |
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| 01:30.02 | sco50000 | i'm making a form in Qt 4 Designer. how do i make a text box expand when the user resizes the window? |
| 01:30.57 | Pete-J | Hello there i just wanted to discuss the choose of icon for the konqueror filemanager - i have myself designed a new icon i would beleve that would suit the entire KDE project http://unlogical.net/konqueror/index.html |
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| 01:31.09 | Pete-J | That's what KDE is |
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| 01:32.39 | Pete-J | Put that one upstream |
| 01:32.54 | sco50000 | Pete-J: you have too much time on your hands, get a job |
| 01:33.36 | Pete-J | sco50000: well i am myself a student *so i already have my hands full* |
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| 01:38.29 | pinotree | Jucato: âââ |
| 01:39.02 | Jucato | pinotree: I see boxes :) |
| 01:39.30 | pinotree | take care, /me goes to sleep |
| 01:39.44 | Jucato | ah ok :) |
| 01:39.45 | Jucato | good night |
| 01:39.50 | Jucato | I'll hold down the fort :) |
| 01:39.59 | pinotree | someone used his photo as candidate logo *g* |
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| 01:42.51 | Digital_Pioneer | Can someone take a wild guess why KDE is always forgetting that I use a screensaver? |
| 01:43.32 | Digital_Pioneer | It's supposed to come on after 10 mins of idleness, but after a few times, it just stops coming on and my screen stays on the desktop all the time. |
| 01:43.42 | Digital_Pioneer | I have a CRT, and would not appreciate burn-ins. |
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| 02:08.57 | stond | does anybody know a really good video converter for KDE I am using Kubuntu 7.10 installed onto my PS3 |
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| 02:10.58 | stond | does anybody know a really good video converter for KDE I am using Kubuntu 7.10 installed onto my PS3 |
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| 02:37.41 | goldphish | I'd like to change the opacity of a window with the mouse wheel. There is an option under Configure window behavior -> Actions. However, the window will only become very transparent with one roll of the wheel and it will never go back. |
| 02:38.57 | rohanpm | goldphish: does the mouse wheel work fine in other apps? |
| 02:39.13 | goldphish | rohanpm: yep |
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| 02:55.43 | EvanR | hello, i just installed microsoft office with wine, and it automatically put shortcuts in my K menu |
| 02:55.59 | EvanR | the icons for the shortcuts do not show up, but they do show up in the 'edit menu' dialog |
| 02:56.03 | EvanR | what is wrong |
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| 03:07.58 | alanic | does anyone know whether kde 3 series will have another release after 3.5.9? |
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| 03:18.16 | ethana2 | So I'm looking at these ui documents.. |
| 03:18.24 | ethana2 | for the test hello world app |
| 03:18.36 | ethana2 | ...does KDE interpret that xml when the app is running? |
| 03:19.07 | ethana2 | 'cause it seems like it shouldn't be very hard at all |
| 03:19.17 | alanic | if it's a qt designer xml you are talking about, it is converted to a cpp on make |
| 03:19.21 | ethana2 | to just have that code draw the me.. |
| 03:19.23 | ethana2 | oh drat |
| 03:19.28 | ethana2 | *sigh* |
| 03:19.39 | ethana2 | I think that that xml file should be used when the app is run. |
| 03:19.46 | alanic | why |
| 03:19.51 | ethana2 | flexibility |
| 03:19.57 | ethana2 | able to be modified on the fly |
| 03:20.00 | ethana2 | such like that |
| 03:20.18 | ethana2 | maybe you can still do all that |
| 03:20.34 | alanic | it would suck in performance though |
| 03:20.40 | ethana2 | ...in the end, it's the platform that handles the menu bar placement, not the app, right? |
| 03:20.47 | ethana2 | perhaps if it wasn't done right |
| 03:20.53 | alanic | it's qt taht does it |
| 03:21.06 | alanic | you call qt's functions |
| 03:21.06 | ethana2 | ok, good |
| 03:21.09 | ethana2 | hmmm |
| 03:21.42 | alanic | you can technically do what you want, but it's too much work |
| 03:21.47 | ethana2 | *sigh* |
| 03:21.57 | ethana2 | I'm out to make the soviet russia of gui platforms |
| 03:22.10 | ethana2 | where qt litterally calls /you/ |
| 03:22.10 | alanic | you could use things like pyqt to have easier runtime control |
| 03:22.13 | alanic | lol |
| 03:22.14 | ethana2 | hmm |
| 03:22.24 | ethana2 | I'm talking instead of apps calling things |
| 03:22.29 | ethana2 | the app would be an xml file |
| 03:22.33 | ethana2 | that the platform would read |
| 03:22.41 | ethana2 | and it would have compiled engines that would plug into it |
| 03:22.44 | ethana2 | like a web page |
| 03:22.57 | ethana2 | ...and for themeing, all apps could be modified in gui on the fly |
| 03:22.59 | alanic | but where would you write the program logic |
| 03:23.06 | ethana2 | in engines |
| 03:23.17 | ethana2 | well |
| 03:23.20 | alanic | oh I see |
| 03:23.22 | ethana2 | what do you mean program logic? |
| 03:23.38 | alanic | like read a file, decide what to do etc |
| 03:23.39 | ethana2 | I'm kind of thinking starting out like a web page |
| 03:23.54 | ethana2 | and adding capabilities like tabs and such properly |
| 03:24.07 | ethana2 | I was considering making my first app using prism |
| 03:24.15 | ethana2 | ...and then i decided to try out kdevelop |
| 03:24.18 | Jucato | thinks this is offtopic for this channel... #kde-chat for conversations |
| 03:24.31 | ethana2 | and saw these UI .rc files and got my hopes up |
| 03:24.33 | ethana2 | oh, ok |
| 03:25.25 | ethana2 | alanic, could you go onto #kde-chat? |
| 03:26.14 | alanic | I actually need to run:( |
| 03:26.40 | alanic | but I'll come |
| 03:26.41 | ethana2 | k |
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| 03:47.57 | sandbox | anyone know if there's a fix for the "SSL negotiation failed" error? |
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| 04:00.09 | FunkyELF | what make a kde game a kde game and not just a qt game? |
| 04:00.57 | sandbox | made with kde libs |
| 04:01.34 | Digital_Pioneer | FunkyELF: They contain KDE-features, and KDE-integration, even if it's not easily apparent |
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| 04:01.56 | Digital_Pioneer | (That's my official guess) |
| 04:02.07 | sandbox | http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials#Using_the_KDE_Games_Library |
| 04:02.07 | FunkyELF | Yeah, I'm trying to see what kind of integration a little game has |
| 04:02.31 | sandbox | a few there at least |
| 04:03.07 | Jucato | most basic answer "it uses kdelibs". up to what extent it uses kde libs and API.. that depends on the game |
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| 04:07.29 | Lewoco | How do I make konsole send keyboard input to the active session (tab) when I alt-tab to it? |
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| 04:09.20 | Lewoco | Oh, I see what's happening. As soon as I hit alt-tab to switch away from konsole it activates the menu's. |
| 04:09.31 | Lewoco | Then when I switch back the menus will still be activated. |
| 04:11.01 | FunkyELF | sandbox, thanks for that link....I looked at some of the stuff and it seems pointless and having nothing to do with KDE. |
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| 04:12.17 | FunkyELF | so you use KScoreDialog so all games in KDE have the same looking score dialog? It seems like the stuff that is in there for games could be completely independent of KDE and solved by a style guide or something |
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| 04:13.48 | Lewoco | What is the key combo to switch between apps in a KDE desktop? |
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| 04:15.51 | Jucato | Alt+Tab by default |
| 04:16.43 | Lewoco | Jucato, Ok same as in Windows. |
| 04:16.58 | Jucato | same as anywhere except Mac |
| 04:17.21 | Lewoco | Jucato, If you're using Konsole and you hit alt-tab, does it activate the menu? |
| 04:17.28 | Jucato | nope |
| 04:17.37 | Jucato | which menu btw? |
| 04:17.52 | Lewoco | Jucato, The menubar, File, edit, view etc. |
| 04:18.11 | Jucato | hm.. no |
| 04:18.18 | Lewoco | Jucato, I'm using konsole in Xming and as soon as I hit alt-tab it selects the menu. |
| 04:18.33 | Jucato | maybe it's something Xming does |
| 04:18.35 | Jucato | dunnol.. |
| 04:18.39 | Jucato | dunno* |
| 04:18.42 | Jucato | has to go |
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| 04:26.44 | sandbox | is there a patch for "ssl negotiation failed" in konqueror? Or fixed in head? |
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| 04:28.43 | jazka_ | sandbox: works fine on trunk |
| 04:28.46 | xevix | sandbox, fixed in head i hear, i'm on 4.0.2 but it should work in head |
| 04:29.04 | xevix | is there a way to get skim to work with kde4 apps? |
| 04:29.07 | sandbox | cool, thanks |
| 04:29.12 | jazka_ | xevix: works fine for me |
| 04:29.18 | xevix | doesn't seem to work for me |
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| 04:29.27 | xevix | scim works on gtk apps when running kde4, but not kde4 |
| 04:29.38 | xevix | is there some extra environment variable for kde4? |
| 04:29.42 | jazka_ | nope |
| 04:29.45 | jazka_ | same as for kde3 |
| 04:29.52 | xevix | weird then =/ |
| 04:30.16 | jazka_ | try running scim -d manually with run command |
| 04:30.26 | xevix | it's already running, so it fails if i do that |
| 04:30.32 | jazka_ | k |
| 04:30.57 | xevix | well, 4.0.3's supposed to be out 2/4 so i'll wait until then and try again i guess, heh |
| 04:31.03 | xevix | maybe then the logout button will work too |
| 04:31.16 | jazka_ | nothing happens when you press logout? |
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| 04:31.26 | xevix | right, apparently others with 4.0.2 ran into this too |
| 04:31.33 | xevix | it's supposed to be fixed in svn |
| 04:31.36 | xevix | errrr, *trunk |
| 04:31.44 | jazka_ | I had that problem too, it was scim preventing kde4 to start up fully |
| 04:31.50 | SAS_Spidey01 | don't delete ~/.kde! I like that one |
| 04:31.54 | xevix | now _that_ is weird |
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| 04:32.00 | NatureTM | hi, I'm having an issue where the runaway process catcher (kde3) does not ignore X properly. I have it in the ignore list as both X and Xorg. anyone know anything about this? |
| 04:32.00 | xevix | why would scim interfere? |
| 04:32.02 | jazka_ | when I killed it, kde4 started |
| 04:32.07 | jazka_ | and logout worked |
| 04:32.11 | xevix | huh.... |
| 04:32.16 | xevix | well scim didn't prevent kde4 from starting for me |
| 04:32.17 | jazka_ | no idea |
| 04:32.29 | jazka_ | well it started but not fully... |
| 04:32.38 | xevix | what do you mean by not fully? |
| 04:32.51 | jazka_ | like I could use it normally, except logging out |
| 04:33.01 | jazka_ | so it took a while to troubleshoot |
| 04:33.02 | xevix | ah, so same as me |
| 04:33.07 | xevix | i guess i can try killing scim |
| 04:33.14 | xevix | though it might kill my xchat and pidgin in the process, haha |
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| 04:33.53 | xevix | hmmmm, nope |
| 04:33.56 | xevix | logout button still broken =) |
| 04:34.03 | xevix | i'll wait to see 4.0.3 |
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| 04:36.39 | xevix | thanks |
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| 04:50.22 | Wyatt | So why did the soname for expat change, exactly? |
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| 05:52.01 | _haxi_ | y0 |
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| 06:16.55 | gotgn1 | so how do I get knetworkmanager to autostart ? |
| 06:17.32 | gotgn1 | and is there a kde4 networkmanager that I don't know about |
| 06:20.14 | annma | you get stuff to autostart by dragging the prog in the $KDEHOME/Autostart folder |
| 06:20.33 | annma | soon you'll get an Autostart manager in System Settings in fact |
| 06:21.01 | gotgn1 | cool |
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| 06:21.55 | gotgn1 | how soon |
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| 06:24.54 | roshan | how do i compile KDE |
| 06:25.35 | annma | you go to techbase.kde.org and look here how to build KDE |
| 06:25.41 | roshan | i am using opensuse 10.3 |
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| 06:26.11 | annma | is it for a GSoC? |
| 06:26.30 | roshan | annma: how can i find which version on KDE i am using |
| 06:26.39 | annma | roshan: is it for a GSoC? |
| 06:26.52 | annma | in any kde app look in Help->About KDE |
| 06:26.59 | roshan | annma: not exactly |
| 06:27.12 | annma | then get the Open Suse builts |
| 06:27.19 | roshan | annma: i dont have much experience may be next year |
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| 06:27.56 | roshan | annma: got it 3.5.7 |
| 06:28.30 | roshan | annma: what download manager do you use |
| 06:29.50 | annma | roshan: why do you want to compile kde4? |
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| 06:31.00 | roshan | annma: actually i had applied in GSoc for developing a multithread download accelerator but they replied that Kget in KDE 4.1 supports that |
| 06:31.27 | annma | so why do you want to compile kde4 now? |
| 06:31.57 | roshan | annma: i want to see Kget |
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| 06:32.11 | roshan | annma: or is there any other way to do that |
| 06:32.26 | annma | ask in OpenSUse channel if they have current trunk builds |
| 06:32.28 | roshan | annma: also i want the source of amarok |
| 06:32.37 | annma | OK read what I wrote |
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| 07:02.04 | petar | hi |
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| 07:02.23 | petar | I'm new in kubuntu and I have a problem |
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| 07:03.53 | blauzahl | you have to tell us what it is before anyone can help you :) |
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| 07:06.37 | petar | I'm connect on kopete MSN and when mu friends or I send message a can't read |
| 07:06.47 | petar | The following message has not been sent correctly (Connection closed): |
| 07:06.47 | petar | dd |
| 07:06.47 | petar | 08:59:33 |
| 07:07.06 | petar | just I read that |
| 07:08.08 | annma | what distribution is it? |
| 07:08.19 | petar | kubuntu 7.10 |
| 07:08.21 | annma | kubuntu, ask in #kubuntu please |
| 07:08.32 | petar | i ask but noting |
| 07:08.45 | annma | :( |
| 07:08.53 | annma | people are still sleeping |
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| 07:10.31 | tanju | ? |
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| 07:15.46 | darx | hi, i'm on kubuntu amarok complains 'no suitable plugin' when trying to listen to certain streams. how can i fix this? |
| 07:18.51 | thiago_home | what streams don't work? |
| 07:19.23 | darx | Substrata |
| 07:19.27 | darx | sorry |
| 07:19.30 | darx | http://www.internode.on.net/radio/radio.php/6.m3u |
| 07:19.32 | darx | this one |
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| 07:21.16 | thiago_home | invalid playlist |
| 07:21.55 | darx | hmm |
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| 07:22.31 | thiago_home | all the server sends is a URL |
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| 07:23.02 | darx | http://radio.internode.on.net:8010 |
| 07:23.15 | darx | thiago_home: try this ^^ |
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| 07:23.31 | darx | is that the url you meant? |
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| 07:24.30 | thiago_home | yes, that's the URL that the server sends |
| 07:24.55 | thiago_home | guesses no HTTP streaming engine understands audio/x-mpegurl |
| 07:25.29 | thiago_home | if it doesn't pass, fix it |
| 07:25.35 | thiago_home | erm, wrong channel |
| 07:25.43 | darx | oh well |
| 07:25.45 | darx | thanks |
| 07:25.52 | darx | :-) |
| 07:25.53 | thiago_home | "No route to host" |
| 07:25.56 | thiago_home | the server doesn't reply |
| 07:26.16 | darx | i'll try something else. |
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| 07:54.07 | Mzalendo | hi all... |
| 07:54.13 | Mzalendo | i need help with k3b |
| 07:54.26 | Mzalendo | i just installed it under Ubuntu, it works fine |
| 07:54.33 | Mzalendo | i need to write an appendable CD |
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| 07:54.57 | Mzalendo | the problem is, the data that i have to write is the same as that on the cd... so, the append creates a duplicate set of data |
| 07:55.06 | Mzalendo | how do i append AND replace the existing data? |
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| 08:02.49 | thiago_home | you can't replace data on a CD |
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| 08:08.44 | Mzalendo | thiago> well, when i was using NTFS, via Nero, i was able to 'erase' the existing data... the data wasnt really erased, it just didnt show up on the new burn |
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| 08:09.17 | Mzalendo | thiago> is there a way to do the same with K3b? i keep getting duplicate files... how do i 'mask' existing data not to show up? it's confusing |
| 08:09.39 | pinotree | you first need to import the old session |
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| 08:09.49 | pinotree | then add/remove files as usual |
| 08:10.36 | Mzalendo | pinotree: can u walk me through? i just opened k3b |
| 08:11.13 | pinotree | there's a menu entry.. |
| 08:11.32 | pinotree | project â import session |
| 08:11.59 | Mzalendo | it's ghosted... what is the first thing i should do? |
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| 08:12.13 | pinotree | create a project? |
| 08:12.15 | Mzalendo | i have the GUI showing those tasks... |
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| 08:12.30 | Mzalendo | new data cd? |
| 08:13.07 | thiago_home | Mzalendo: you don't use NTFS on CDs |
| 08:13.17 | thiago_home | Mzalendo: it might be possible to hide one session's data on another |
| 08:13.22 | thiago_home | I have no idea how or if k3b supports it |
| 08:13.27 | Mzalendo | thiago> not anymore... |
| 08:14.41 | Mzalendo | session imported... how do i delete the files? i dont see any option to do that |
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| 08:17.18 | Mzalendo | will Clear Imported Session clear the existing files on the data cd in order to mask them out? |
| 08:17.44 | pinotree | no |
| 08:19.51 | Mzalendo | so how do i mask out existing files? |
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| 08:24.07 | Mzalendo | i guess not... i just created the third set of duplicate data on the same cd |
| 08:24.23 | Mzalendo | thiago> hoe do hide one session's data on another? |
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| 08:25.09 | Mzalendo | oops... how |
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| 08:28.52 | thiago_home | you don't |
| 08:28.55 | thiago_home | you can only add files |
| 08:29.04 | thiago_home | I don't think you can delete files |
| 08:29.38 | noob-africa | thiago_home: i know, i just dont want duplicate sets of data |
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| 08:55.32 | dim | hi |
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| 08:56.05 | dim | any known failure/bug with kmail and the ArchiveOpteryx mail server? (imap here, with a dimap setting on the mua) |
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| 09:05.26 | blauzahl | pssst... only 8 hours till 4.0.3 comes out! |
| 09:05.52 | blauzahl | dim: try a kde.bugs.org search, sometimes you;ll find a workaround in a report |
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| 09:07.29 | dim | ok, will do, later, when I have the time for it |
| 09:07.43 | dim | I was hoping a "oh I use exactly that setup, this way" ;) |
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| 09:09.01 | blauzahl | dim: yeah, try again after the americas wakes up maybe |
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| 09:09.31 | Rasi_ | *sigh* |
| 09:09.46 | Rasi_ | kde4 becomes slower and slower with each update of trunk for me |
| 09:10.01 | Rasi_ | its by far the slowest DE on this machine |
| 09:10.07 | annma_ | how? |
| 09:10.08 | Rasi_ | even outperformed by gnome, which is nightmare already :) |
| 09:10.17 | annma_ | ? |
| 09:10.18 | Rasi_ | annma_: i wish i knew |
| 09:10.27 | annma_ | what is slow? |
| 09:10.35 | annma_ | why do you run trunkk? |
| 09:10.37 | Rasi_ | everything.. starting of apps, rendering |
| 09:10.43 | Rasi_ | annma_: because stable was slow :) |
| 09:10.44 | annma_ | try a new user |
| 09:10.52 | annma_ | ? |
| 09:10.53 | blauzahl | Rasi_: try running it with top and watch what is actually eating up your resources |
| 09:11.29 | Rasi_ | uff |
| 09:11.38 | Rasi_ | konqueror preload is taking 90% CPU |
| 09:11.40 | blauzahl | in my case, i don't have 2D or 3D graphics card drivers on atm, so X takes up like 20% of my cpu :P |
| 09:12.14 | blauzahl | Rasi_: are you running with a debug build? do you want/need to be? |
| 09:12.44 | Rasi_ | no.. no debug build |
| 09:13.37 | Rasi_ | alright.. killing konqi at least gives me instant alt+tab switching |
| 09:13.47 | Rasi_ | resizing windows remains somewhat cluttered tho |
| 09:14.01 | blauzahl | i'm pretty sure my konq doesn't do that. |
| 09:14.09 | blauzahl | what version/distro are you running? |
| 09:14.29 | Rasi_ | Qt: 4.4.0-beta1 |
| 09:14.29 | Rasi_ | KDE: 4.00.67 (KDE 4.0.67 >= 20080325) |
| 09:14.34 | Rasi_ | kdemod on arch linux |
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| 09:17.23 | blauzahl | wierd. qt4.4, but that low of a kde version? |
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| 09:18.42 | Rasi_ | 20080325 seems very new to me :) |
| 09:18.47 | blauzahl | you could try asking in your distro channel to see if anyone is having a similar problem |
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| 09:19.27 | blauzahl | hmm. true. something in version numbering is being messed up there, methinks. |
| 09:19.36 | annma_ | here konq is OK |
| 09:19.46 | blauzahl | or i'm not clear on how to read that |
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| 09:20.01 | blauzahl | is trunk being listed as 4.0.6? |
| 09:20.06 | annma | tried to reach her ISP to ask why they cut the connection |
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| 09:20.23 | Jucato | blauzahl: yes |
| 09:20.33 | blauzahl | huh |
| 09:20.48 | Jucato | annma: /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password> |
| 09:21.04 | annma | Jucato: will that prevent cuts? |
| 09:21.17 | Jucato | annma: no. it will reclaim your nick :) |
| 09:21.23 | Jucato | pardon. just woke up :/ |
| 09:21.25 | annma | yes I know |
| 09:21.35 | Jucato | head hurts... |
| 09:21.35 | annma | I have a /ghost alias in konvi |
| 09:21.43 | blauzahl | well, maybe this is a trunk thing? i'm on 4.0.2+, so... |
| 09:21.48 | Jucato | has it named /exorcism |
| 09:21.54 | annma | blauzahl: no, konq is OK here |
| 09:22.00 | annma | nothing is slow |
| 09:22.02 | blauzahl | ah, well. |
| 09:22.16 | annma | I'll recheck later as I am rebuilding on a fresh dir |
| 09:22.30 | annma | but it was not slow at all these past days |
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| 09:23.21 | blauzahl | well, i don't know. and i go sleep now :) |
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| 09:24.14 | annma | Rasi: if it's slow for branch and trunk then it's on your side |
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| 09:24.42 | annma | what video card Rasi? |
| 09:24.43 | Rasi | well yes.. i just wonder what causes this |
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| 09:24.54 | Rasi | ati radeon.. and i disabled composite in xorg.conf |
| 09:24.59 | Rasi | 9250 to be precise |
| 09:25.17 | Rasi | altho i can even run compiz with this thing |
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| 09:25.58 | Rasi | kde3.x is the fastest DE on this system.. very snappy |
| 09:26.03 | annma | is your user new? |
| 09:26.19 | Rasi | annma: i also tried a livecd.. same thing |
| 09:26.23 | annma | kde4 should be as fast as kde3 |
| 09:26.31 | Rasi | was thinking already that its qt4 not playing well here |
| 09:26.39 | annma | surely not |
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| 09:28.22 | Rasi | on the other hand Psi, which is also qt4 is very fast |
| 09:28.58 | Rasi | well after killing konqi its _much_ better already |
| 09:29.09 | Rasi | let me see if it takes that much CPU again if i start it manually |
| 09:29.20 | annma | on the LiveCD you had konqueror running |
| 09:29.23 | annma | ? |
| 09:29.53 | Rasi | nono |
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| 09:29.59 | Rasi | altho.. dont know |
| 09:30.05 | Rasi | this thing preloaded |
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| 09:30.14 | Rasi | so i guess its possible |
| 09:30.27 | Rasi | anyway.. running it manually works |
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| 09:32.21 | annma | manually? |
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| 09:32.31 | annma | on kde4 start it should not run |
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| 09:33.11 | Rasi | you see? |
| 09:33.22 | derr1324 | hello, I've lost a tray icon from a minimized application and now I can't tab to it or anything. |
| 09:33.24 | Rasi | the process was called "konqueror --preload" |
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| 09:33.40 | annma | Rasi: maybe ask your distro then |
| 09:33.49 | derr1324 | the app is still running but is minimized into a black hole of some sort |
| 09:33.49 | Rasi | yea, will surely do |
| 09:34.00 | derr1324 | is there a way I can get to it? |
| 09:34.02 | Rasi | right now its quite snippy, i can work with that |
| 09:34.06 | derr1324 | without just killing it? |
| 09:36.23 | Rasi | sometimes starting the app again will make it reappear |
| 09:37.33 | derr1324 | ya that usually works I don't wanna lose my messages this time |
| 09:37.43 | derr1324 | I kill it and restart it |
| 09:37.50 | derr1324 | and things are ok for awhile |
| 09:38.24 | derr1324 | nothing like a task manager? |
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| 10:00.10 | Rasi | is there some workaround for messed up systray icons? |
| 10:00.13 | Rasi | mostly gtk ones |
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| 10:15.31 | ICQnumber | where can i set up in kde 3.5.{7,8,9} to automatic switch from winter to summer time and back? |
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| 10:26.11 | kaminix | How do I browse all my hardware in KDE 4.0.3? |
| 10:26.29 | kaminix | Via Solid that is |
| 10:27.23 | grundleborg | lostson: ping |
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| 10:54.01 | Integration | is there something like gksudo nautilus but for kde? |
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| 10:54.39 | pinotree | kdesu konqueror? |
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| 10:58.21 | Integration | thanks...but i'm trying to write to a protected conf and it won't let me |
| 10:59.41 | Jucato | "kdesu kwrite" to run kwrite with root privs |
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| 11:03.49 | Integration | thanks |
| 11:03.58 | Integration | but for some reason it's not working for me |
| 11:04.13 | annma | what does it say? |
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| 11:06.16 | Integration | \"check that you have access to this file" |
| 11:06.30 | annma | and where is the file? |
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| 11:06.54 | Integration | "/media/hda1/grub/grub.conf" |
| 11:06.58 | annma | if root can't access it, I wonder what can |
| 11:07.06 | annma | superman? |
| 11:07.10 | Integration | heh heh |
| 11:07.20 | annma | what rights has that file? |
| 11:07.22 | Jucato | wonder woman :) |
| 11:07.36 | annma | Jucato: ;) yes |
| 11:07.54 | annma | la -la /media/hda1/grub/grub.conf |
| 11:07.59 | annma | ls -la |
| 11:08.03 | Integration | owner: can & write, group: can read and others: can read |
| 11:08.42 | annma | ls -la /media/hda1/grub/grub.conf |
| 11:08.57 | annma | can you paste the output? |
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| 11:09.50 | Integration | -rw-r--r-- 1root root 246 Mar 31 10:27 /media/hda1/grub/grub.conf |
| 11:10.24 | Integration | i mean: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 246 Mar 31 10:27 /media/hda1/grub/grub.conf |
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| 11:20.47 | Integration | is there a command similar to cd but to change to another partition to look for a file like for example: cd /media/hda1/boot/grub/grub.conf? |
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| 11:21.30 | annma | cd does it |
| 11:21.51 | annma | cd /media/hda1/boot/grub/ |
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| 11:25.25 | JordanC | Hey there folks :) |
| 11:26.36 | Integration | ok the reason it's not working is because the file is inside a partition that belongs to a gentoo installation that I am doing. The only way is to chroot which I am currently. however when I try to cd to the directory it says that it's already mounted or busy. |
| 11:27.33 | kgx | !fish |
| 11:27.37 | annma | #gentoo maybe |
| 11:27.42 | kgx | for some reason, my fish:// so slow when accessing cygwin. ts fast if im accessing a linux machine, and ssh into cygwin is fast. its just fish:// is slow. anyone else experienced this? |
| 11:27.53 | Integration | alright thanks for the help |
| 11:28.06 | kgx | im on kde 3.5 btw |
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| 11:33.48 | lemma | sounds strange |
| 11:34.19 | lemma | is it just on connecting or overall? |
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| 12:16.24 | lhadji | Hi guys, Does Konqueror support the latest flash plugin from adobe?(I noticed when I installed mine it has no sound on flash videos, however the video works fine. However sound works fine through alsa with xmms and kde sounds)! |
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| 12:20.41 | pinotree | which konqueror version do you have? |
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| 12:22.34 | lhadji | pinotree 3.5.9-3 |
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| 12:53.12 | bentob0x | is it normal that I have two kdm processes running? |
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| 13:00.06 | pusling | konqueror 3.5.9 - how many of you see nspluginviewer crashing when trying to play the embedded youtube thingie on http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/anden_sport/tennis/article990857.ece ? |
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| 13:01.41 | thiago_home | which flash version? |
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| 13:02.36 | pusling | thiago_home: .115 I think |
| 13:03.13 | pusling | thiago_home: yeah. 115. (Youtube in general works for me ...) |
| 13:06.21 | lemma | |hadji|: At least with the nspluginwrapper on amd64 the latest flash doesn't work. you'd have to get an earlier version... not sure if that's related to 32bit directly using it |
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| 13:07.55 | lemma | pusling: for me it works. but as I said I'm using npwrapper |
| 13:08.02 | lemma | pusling: and 9.0 r48 |
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| 13:08.27 | pusling | lemma: flash works in general with nspluginviewer for me ... |
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| 13:09.29 | lemma | pusling: then you seem to be a happy 32bit user :D |
| 13:10.09 | pusling | in general, yes |
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| 13:19.14 | udono | hello, is there a way to configure kde this way: All windows should maximise and fullscreen to a defined geometry like 1680x1050 pix |
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| 13:19.56 | Jucato | create a rule in KControl -> Desktop -> Window-Specific Settings |
| 13:20.15 | Jucato | (maybe one that applies to all? haven't tried that yet though) |
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| 13:27.43 | udono | Jucato: Thank you. I try this |
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| 13:36.54 | udono | Jucato: I found a solution to maximize all windows to the geometry I like with your hint. But I didn't find a solution that the windows are just maximized when I toggle fullscreen or maximize button |
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| 13:37.43 | Jucato | ah sorry. that one I don't know |
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| 13:38.10 | udono | Jucato: thanks |
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| 13:41.45 | lemma | udono, Jucato: maybe that behavious is achievable using dcop |
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| 13:44.00 | lemma | udono: nvm, I think it's not possible by clicking on the maximize button. it could maybe work with a kb shortcut |
| 13:45.15 | udono | lemma: maybe via dcop, but it sounds complicated. The problem is just that kde recognise a wrong geometry for a 16:9 monitor on Maximize an Fullscreen mode. |
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| 13:45.57 | lemma | udono: that sounds strange |
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| 13:46.04 | lemma | udono: sorry, I don't know any other way either |
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| 13:46.30 | viller | how do I make shell scripts run when I left click (KDE <4) |
| 13:47.14 | thiago_home | make them executable |
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| 13:47.31 | viller | thanks |
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| 13:48.28 | udono | lemma: the wrong geometry results from wrong xserver informations. Is there a possibility to say KDE: This screen is a 1680x1050, dont listen to X. |
| 13:48.48 | thiago_home | no |
| 13:49.03 | thiago_home | make X report the right information |
| 13:49.11 | lemma | :) |
| 13:49.28 | udono | thiago_home: Great idea. :-) |
| 13:50.17 | thiago_home | NVidia? |
| 13:50.54 | udono | thiago_home: ati on an laptop without internal LCD (broken) but with informations about this... |
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| 14:06.48 | gladier | quick question... if i need to do an export VMWARE_USE_SHIPPED_GTK=yes to get vmware working, how do i get that to be applied each time i login to kde? |
| 14:07.30 | thiago_home | modify the vmware.desktop file or set it in your environment before starting KDE |
| 14:07.45 | thiago_home | or use one of the env scripts for KDE startup |
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| 14:17.25 | JohnnyHempseed | do i "apt-get install kde" in ubuntu to install kde? |
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| 14:18.01 | neekofab | JohnnyHempseed think it's apt-get install kde-desktop |
| 14:18.13 | annma | JohnnyHempseed: ask in #ubuntu for more precisions |
| 14:18.14 | neekofab | JohnnyHempseed just do a search |
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| 14:19.27 | JohnnyHempseed | thank you neekofab but kde-desktop isnt the package name =[ |
| 14:19.46 | neekofab | JohnnyHempseed apt-cache search kde | less |
| 14:20.07 | JohnnyHempseed | some one from #ubuntu says "kubuntu-desktop" |
| 14:20.53 | annma | JohnnyHempseed: here we cannot support every distro so follow your distro channel instructions |
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| 14:22.21 | JohnnyHempseed | the package name that my distros channel gave me was wrong too |
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| 14:22.50 | Tadas2 | Hi |
| 14:22.57 | Tadas2 | Is there any on-screen keyboard for KDE? |
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| 14:56.25 | kdepepo | Tadas2, viki, kvkbd |
| 14:56.34 | runlevelten | Tadas2: yes, there is |
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| 14:57.20 | runlevelten | ^ |
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| 14:58.46 | kdepepo | Tadas2, and klavier. see also http://www.kde-apps.org/index.php?xcontentmode=289 |
| 14:59.30 | runlevelten | xvkbd is what I've used - works perfectly happily |
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| 15:00.06 | kdepepo | except that it doesn't support 105 key layout :) |
| 15:00.34 | kdepepo | (but viki doesn't either) |
| 15:00.48 | kdepepo | at least the kde 3 version, don't know for kde 4 |
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| 15:06.30 | DreadKnight | is there an ETA for 4.0.3? |
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| 15:07.32 | warrend | hi |
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| 15:07.55 | warrend | is it normal that the plastik window decoration in kde 4.0.2 is too huge, compared with 3.5 ? |
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| 15:08.36 | annma | huge? only plastik? |
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| 15:09.30 | DreadKnight | annma: right click and you have some settings... |
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| 15:10.51 | annma | me? |
| 15:11.01 | DreadKnight | sry |
| 15:11.05 | annma | ;) |
| 15:11.33 | DreadKnight | warrend: right click / panel settings and set the size... |
| 15:11.38 | kdepepo | Font height is larger in Qt4 compared to Qt3 (even using same font size) so everything appears bigger. |
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| 15:13.43 | warrend | no i mean the window decoration |
| 15:13.49 | expose | Hi |
| 15:13.55 | expose | I search for a qt/kde app to replace audacity - suggestions? |
| 15:14.04 | warrend | http://kde-apps.org |
| 15:14.22 | warrend | DreadKnight : i'm talking about the window decorations |
| 15:14.29 | DreadKnight | expose: look into rosegarden.... |
| 15:14.31 | DreadKnight | warrend: me too |
| 15:14.51 | warrend | don't you prefer the old size of the plastik window decoration? |
| 15:15.03 | DreadKnight | warrend: right click on the damn panel and choose panel settings i think... and you have a dropdown box for the size |
| 15:15.13 | warrend | i don't want to resize the panel |
| 15:15.34 | warrend | i want to resize the plastik window decoration (you know where you have te close button :=/) |
| 15:16.24 | DreadKnight | oh |
| 15:16.24 | DreadKnight | :D |
| 15:16.25 | warrend | ;) |
| 15:16.25 | kdepepo | warrend: Font height is larger in Qt4 compared to Qt3 (even using same font size) so _*everything*_ appears bigger. |
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| 15:16.25 | warrend | ok |
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| 15:16.25 | DreadKnight | i actually like the new window decoration |
| 15:16.25 | warrend | but is there anything to do? |
| 15:16.25 | warrend | well yeah oxygen is good but the plastik isn't |
| 15:16.31 | kdepepo | warrend, downgrade to KDE3 :) |
| 15:16.39 | warrend | well oxygen is smaller than plastik, so it is possible? |
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| 15:16.56 | DreadKnight | you should check the "settings page", appearence.. |
| 15:17.00 | kdepepo | warrend, plastik isn't maintained. |
| 15:17.04 | warrend | yes it's what i do since kde 4.0 ;) but it would be nice to have the correct size for next release |
| 15:17.15 | warrend | ow, why is it in kde4 then? |
| 15:17.28 | warrend | do you think i could make a bug report? |
| 15:17.28 | kdepepo | warrend, it has been ported. |
| 15:17.30 | DreadKnight | when is 4.0.3 coming out btw? xD |
| 15:17.38 | kdepepo | warrend, yeah, report it. |
| 15:17.54 | warrend | ok |
| 15:17.59 | kdepepo | anyway, need to work. |
| 15:18.00 | warrend | this week, no? |
| 15:18.20 | warrend | i meant for the kde 4.1 famous (finally good) release |
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| 15:18.46 | DreadKnight | 4.1 will be out (ETA) in july or smething lol |
| 15:18.52 | warrend | yes |
| 15:19.02 | warrend | but 4.0.3 this week? or next week? |
| 15:19.15 | DreadKnight | i was supposed to be today/tomorrow... |
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| 15:19.19 | DreadKnight | heh |
| 15:19.21 | warrend | ^^ |
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| 15:19.41 | DreadKnight | since 4.0.2 i'm back on 3.5... |
| 15:19.41 | warrend | hope it will be in kubuntu :) like always the same date |
| 15:19.45 | warrend | me too :p |
| 15:19.55 | warrend | it sucks a bit |
| 15:20.04 | DreadKnight | why are you asking about the decorator then lol ? |
| 15:20.05 | warrend | but looks so nice :p |
| 15:20.15 | warrend | because i try to make kde 4.1 to be better ;) |
| 15:20.19 | warrend | (i have both kde installed) |
| 15:20.20 | DreadKnight | it will rock... when it's done... |
| 15:20.26 | expose | DreadKnight: thanks |
| 15:20.26 | DreadKnight | ah :D |
| 15:20.31 | DreadKnight | expose: np |
| 15:20.49 | warrend | gnome is even better then kde4 i find :=) |
| 15:21.01 | DreadKnight | how come? |
| 15:21.13 | DreadKnight | i started out with gnome my linux journey |
| 15:21.21 | warrend | gnome is good |
| 15:21.25 | warrend | but its programs sucks |
| 15:21.33 | warrend | kde desktop AND programs rocks |
| 15:21.44 | DreadKnight | gnome is good, but kde is better |
| 15:21.48 | DreadKnight | that's my opinnion.. |
| 15:21.56 | DreadKnight | but... kde is too much on the bleeding edge xD |
| 15:22.02 | warrend | yeah well for me only kde apps are better, not really the desktop |
| 15:22.24 | DreadKnight | :D |
| 15:22.36 | warrend | and theming sucks in kde |
| 15:22.44 | warrend | nobody and nothing is perfect ^^ |
| 15:22.50 | DreadKnight | in kde3 yes... in kde4 it will rock |
| 15:23.06 | DreadKnight | svg support for theming... you don't see that in gnome.. |
| 15:23.52 | warrend | there is |
| 15:23.59 | warrend | in 24, no? |
| 15:24.16 | warrend | but i mean installing themes is better |
| 15:24.20 | DreadKnight | haven't used gnome in a while, my mom has it on her pc xD |
| 15:24.28 | warrend | ^^ |
| 15:24.40 | DreadKnight | well, bottom line, kde4 theming is the best |
| 15:24.47 | warrend | sure |
| 15:24.53 | DreadKnight | even installation is easy, you have the "get new hot stuff" thingy... |
| 15:25.00 | warrend | ^^ |
| 15:25.10 | warrend | but had liked an old school style for plasme |
| 15:25.16 | warrend | like kicker |
| 15:25.16 | warrend | ;) |
| 15:25.31 | annma | the get hot new stuff is cool |
| 15:25.32 | DreadKnight | all sorts of cool styles already poping up |
| 15:25.40 | annma | ideally we could share it with GNOME |
| 15:25.50 | annma | it's a free desktop project |
| 15:25.50 | DreadKnight | i don't see how |
| 15:26.01 | DreadKnight | gnome is primitive to say so... no plasma etc |
| 15:26.08 | annma | for other things |
| 15:26.14 | DreadKnight | :-) |
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| 15:26.55 | DreadKnight | if a style is good, probably someone will port it to gnome etc |
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| 15:27.12 | DreadKnight | i mean, there are a lot of themes and stuff 'emulating' other OSs |
| 15:27.19 | sbucat | hello everybody anyone knows channerl for kommander question ? |
| 15:28.42 | DreadKnight | sbucat: the kommander channel is rather empty, you could try in #kubuntu-offtopic |
| 15:29.21 | pinotree | the channel is this one... |
| 15:29.55 | sbucat | ah well i would talk about kommander with eric the developer of kommander |
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| 15:29.59 | sbucat | nevermind |
| 15:30.08 | pinotree | never seen him on irc |
| 15:30.35 | sbucat | mm damn i would like improve my fuoco tools :D is a bit ugly |
| 15:30.45 | pinotree | mail him |
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| 15:32.14 | sbucat | yes yes of course i have already done that but i was thinking it's was better talk with him on irc |
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| 15:32.22 | sbucat | nevermind guys |
| 15:32.27 | sbucat | thanks pinotree |
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| 15:33.21 | scrypt | hey |
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| 15:39.50 | gotgn1 | is there a installable gui for changing plasma themes ? |
| 15:40.11 | gotgn1 | I have heard of like plasma chooser |
| 15:40.13 | annma | via configure desktop |
| 15:40.26 | gotgn1 | how ? |
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| 15:41.50 | gotgn1 | I don't see anything about plasma |
| 15:41.56 | annma | in trunk |
| 15:42.24 | gotgn1 | oh so it not out yet ? |
| 15:44.04 | lemma | I don't think it's in any official release yet |
| 15:44.34 | gotgn1 | I think I am using 4.0.3 |
| 15:44.57 | lemma | has that been released yet? |
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| 15:45.33 | annma | trunk is pre 4.1 |
| 15:45.51 | annma | so it has all the goodies you'll get in 4.1 |
| 15:46.01 | lemma | you mean "goodies" ? :) |
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| 15:47.00 | gotgn1 | annma: is it hard to install trunk |
| 15:47.26 | annma | yes gotgn1 |
| 15:48.31 | gotgn1 | I need to compile it |
| 15:48.33 | gotgn1 | ? |
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| 15:49.00 | annma | yes |
| 15:49.56 | gotgn1 | where do i download it from ? |
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| 15:51.24 | lemma | you can have a look at the procedure on the techbase: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 |
| 15:51.42 | lemma | but you have to know what you are doing. |
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| 15:57.08 | lemma | I have a little question as well. Is it viable to report bugs found on trunk or would I just be pissing people off? |
| 15:57.48 | annma | lemma: depends, can you tell? |
| 15:58.10 | lemma | well. It's obvious that some parts are being worked on eg. twinview in plasma |
| 15:58.25 | annma | yes |
| 15:58.33 | lemma | but about others I'm not sure eg. I've been seeing window icon drawing errors for about 2-3 weeks in oxygen deco |
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| 15:58.53 | annma | window icon drawing? be more precise? |
| 15:59.15 | lemma | annma: on resizing a window the border doesn't get redrawn accordingly |
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| 15:59.30 | annma | video card? |
| 15:59.31 | lemma | annma: on making the window smaller the symbols in the upper right get lost |
| 15:59.41 | lemma | annma: nvidia 8600gts 169.09 |
| 15:59.53 | lemma | annma: using opengl indstead of xrender |
| 15:59.54 | moldy | can kmail somehow download mails from an imap account for offline use? |
| 16:00.04 | annma | you need the latest driver |
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| 16:00.11 | pinotree | sure, use a dimap account |
| 16:00.21 | lemma | yeah. I guess the debian maintainer for nvidia is currently on vacation :/ |
| 16:00.42 | lemma | annma: but I was actually just referring to an example |
| 16:00.54 | lemma | annma: like: is it viable to report bugs in trunk I've been seeing for let's say 2 weeks |
| 16:01.01 | annma | most drawing problems are due to nvidia |
| 16:01.12 | annma | like repainting of the same icon in a list |
| 16:01.18 | annma | I also have a nvidia |
| 16:01.49 | lemma | seems like I'll have to get those drivers installed manually... |
| 16:01.50 | annma | so you have to be sure the problem you think is Oxygen is really Oxygen by having a second confirmation with no nviidia |
| 16:02.11 | lemma | well... maybe it was a bad example :) |
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| 16:02.23 | lemma | but thanks regarding the nvidia driver |
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| 16:03.07 | annma | I think that nearly all the Oxygen specific problems were fixed |
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| 16:03.36 | annma | maybe the color button remains in a color chooser dialog |
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| 16:05.48 | DexterF | aseigo: so, how many bought the ooxml-story on kde.org yesterday? :) |
| 16:06.16 | annma | what is sad is that this is an iso standard now |
| 16:06.20 | annma | for real |
| 16:06.41 | lemma | *sigh* |
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| 16:09.10 | wangfg-x31 | why kde menus not pop out? |
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| 16:11.42 | lemma | wangfg-x31: which kde menu are you talking about and what do you mean by pop out? |
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| 16:12.13 | aseigo | DexterF: heh.. was pretty funny huh? that was a thiago/riddel brainstorm .. i didn't even find out about it until it was posted ;) |
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| 16:19.17 | urku1 | Hi! Now there are two phonons: one from qt-copy, and one from kdelibs. What are relations between two these libs? Which one is actually used by KDE-applications (I'm using kdesvn-build to build KDE svn trunk)? |
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| 16:20.58 | urku1 | It seems that qt-copy installs libphonon.so.4.1.0 and kdelibs installs libphonon.so.4.2.0 |
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| 16:21.39 | urku1 | And these two libs look for backends in the different locations... |
| 16:21.45 | DexterF | aseigo: friend sent me the link, I had just gotten up and was half asleep. I was already digging up my torches and pitchforks when enlightenment dawned |
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| 16:23.17 | wangfg-x31 | lemma: just the bottom of screen,left corner,use to access the application and system settings... and the pop menus just like konquer menu bar... |
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| 16:27.08 | lejocelyn | hi, do you also have an display issue with this web site: www.exalead.com using Konqueror? |
| 16:27.30 | lejocelyn | konqueror 4.0.3 |
| 16:28.03 | lemma | wangfg-x31: sorry, I have no idea, really. It seems to be related to your setup. for me it works fine. |
| 16:28.42 | annma | lejocelyn: not in trunk |
| 16:29.03 | lejocelyn | annma: you mean, not with the trunk version of Konqueror ? |
| 16:29.07 | annma | in trunk konq renders it exactly as Firefox |
| 16:29.14 | lejocelyn | ok :) |
| 16:29.18 | annma | so if you have an issue it's fixed |
| 16:29.30 | thiago_home | what issues? |
| 16:29.46 | lejocelyn | thiago_home: well, no issues anymore |
| 16:29.48 | lejocelyn | :) |
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| 16:29.54 | thiago_home | sees "Advanced search" under the Web Search button |
| 16:29.59 | thiago_home | but if you resize the window, it repositions correctly |
| 16:30.00 | thiago_home | that's all |
| 16:30.15 | lejocelyn | but if you really want, I can send you a screenshoot |
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| 16:36.25 | lejocelyn | strange, Dolphin is very slow for reading a fat32 partition :/ |
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| 16:37.44 | annma | are you sure it's not the preview? |
| 16:38.31 | thiago_home | lejocelyn: actually, FAT32 is slow, period :-) |
| 16:39.20 | lejocelyn | hum, actually, that's a general issue |
| 16:39.26 | lejocelyn | even ext3 are very slow |
| 16:39.33 | annma | with preview or not? |
| 16:39.45 | annma | please be precise and check things |
| 16:40.01 | annma | is preview enabled? |
| 16:40.08 | lejocelyn | with preview or noth, both |
| 16:40.20 | annma | cannot reproduce without preview |
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| 16:41.09 | annma | FAT32 is as fast as the rest without preview for me |
| 16:41.19 | annma | with preview however everything is slow |
| 16:41.20 | lejocelyn | annma: sorry? you only have the issue with preview mod ? |
| 16:41.25 | annma | yes |
| 16:41.25 | lejocelyn | ok |
| 16:41.42 | annma | I need to recheck as I am in a clean config and a clean install right now |
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| 16:41.59 | annma | but I can browse my win partition as fast as the linux one |
| 16:42.10 | annma | I just double checked it |
| 16:42.23 | annma | I often listen to music that is there |
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| 16:55.05 | urku1 | ann_eat: Could you check the speed of reading files from your fat partition? |
| 16:55.25 | urku1 | ann_eat: Say, time dd if=some_file of=/dev/null |
| 16:55.58 | urku1 | And the same test for Linux partition |
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| 17:04.45 | litb | hello all |
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| 17:04.54 | litb | is it possible to play a animation has background? |
| 17:04.59 | litb | and still have the icons above it? |
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| 17:15.43 | szymon_g | hi |
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| 17:29.12 | annma | urku1: how exactly? |
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| 17:29.58 | annma | urku1: ping |
| 17:30.10 | annma | had a good pasta dinner |
| 17:31.36 | pinotree | will cook pasta (well, spaghetti) later |
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| 17:32.35 | urku1 | had a good dinner... |
| 17:33.48 | urku1 | annma: for example, 'time cat * > /dev/null' |
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| 17:34.32 | urku1 | It will echo that several files are directories, and later print time stats |
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| 17:35.03 | urku1 | After that you can copy those files to your Linux partition (only this level) and run the same command |
| 17:35.05 | flea | suppose i have made custom window properties to a window/app id, but (its flash plugin windows) i can no longer alt+F3 to change them back (closes immediately) |
| 17:35.12 | flea | .. how can i reset these params? |
| 17:35.22 | annma | I can't copy any files on my linux partition |
| 17:35.37 | annma | because my space is very limited |
| 17:35.59 | annma | 0.03user 0.24system 0:15.44elapsed 1PU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k |
| 17:36.00 | annma | 0inputs+0outputs (0major+193minor)pagefaults 0swaps |
| 17:36.06 | annma | that's for my home |
| 17:36.16 | annma | how can this be compared to dolphin speed? |
| 17:36.41 | annma | urku1: I said I can browse the same speed fat and linux partitions |
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| 17:36.56 | annma | urku1: however when I enable preview Dolphin is very slow |
| 17:37.16 | annma | in my home I scroll down but the cursor goes back top for ex in Dolphin |
| 17:37.18 | urku1 | When you only browse, Dolphin should do something like `ls -l` |
| 17:37.32 | annma | how can I measure what dolphin does |
| 17:37.37 | flea | annma: do you have slow media? |
| 17:37.39 | annma | it also displays preview |
| 17:37.43 | annma | NO |
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| 17:37.59 | annma | urku1: what is the stuff above I pasted? |
| 17:38.13 | annma | flea: laptop is 18 months old so I don't qualify it as slow |
| 17:38.21 | flea | sure it is |
| 17:38.29 | annma | it is slow? |
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| 17:38.41 | flea | cat /proc/cpuinfo ; cat /proc/meminfo |
| 17:38.43 | urku1 | And if previews are enabled, Dolphin have to read all the files |
| 17:38.44 | flea | uname -a |
| 17:38.59 | lemma | annma: I just rechecked the redrawing errors I mentioned after getting the newest nv driver working (169.12 on am64). Unfortunately it's still there irrespective if I use xrender/opengl. I saw it on any deco I tried (oxygen/plastik/keramik) |
| 17:39.02 | annma | flea: how doe sthat relate to the fact that browsing is quick? |
| 17:39.03 | urku1 | It depends on how many big files are in this directory |
| 17:39.05 | flea | 18months old is a terrible way of describing how fast you are |
| 17:39.36 | annma | so dolphin is only for hi-tech hardware? |
| 17:39.46 | flea | annma: u're getting off-subject |
| 17:39.50 | annma | you are |
| 17:39.56 | flea | answer the hw question |
| 17:40.00 | flea | not by 18months either |
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| 17:40.06 | annma | the main point was to measure the spped of dolphin with and without preview |
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| 17:40.34 | annma | which part of cpuinfo is relevant? |
| 17:40.39 | flea | i recall that konq had a limit for file-size for files it would attempt to preview, does dolphin not do the same |
| 17:40.47 | annma | which part of cpuinfo is relevant? |
| 17:40.59 | annma | model name : Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2050 @ 1.60GHz |
| 17:41.10 | flea | uname -a |
| 17:41.16 | annma | MemTotal: 1034220 kB |
| 17:41.18 | flea | thats a very fast proc |
| 17:41.32 | annma | Linux localhost 2.6.22.9-laptop |
| 17:41.44 | flea | i recall that konq had a limit for file-size for files it would attempt to preview, does dolphin not do the same |
| 17:41.56 | annma | that's just average 18 months old laptop |
| 17:42.02 | flea | heh |
| 17:42.13 | annma | dolphin also has a limit |
| 17:42.18 | annma | I run defaults here |
| 17:42.28 | annma | berand new install on brand new config |
| 17:42.28 | flea | lower your limit and thatd be a great reference |
| 17:42.35 | annma | it is defaults |
| 17:42.38 | flea | lower your limit and thatd be a great reference |
| 17:42.49 | annma | that's not the point |
| 17:42.51 | flea | lower your limit and thatd be a great reference |
| 17:43.06 | annma | do you have kde trunk? |
| 17:43.14 | flea | 3.5.8 |
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| 17:43.26 | annma | see I am a kde developer |
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| 17:43.33 | flea | thats incredible |
| 17:43.41 | annma | I am not into mean settings, I am in search of figures |
| 17:43.57 | flea | all i suggested was a reference point in your investigation |
| 17:44.11 | flea | stats mean nothing w/o something to compare to |
| 17:44.12 | flea | :/ |
| 17:44.14 | annma | it does not really make any difference |
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| 17:44.26 | annma | as most preview here are not pics anyway |
| 17:44.27 | maki_d | with the release of 4.0.3, there will be changes in the 4.1 trunk ? |
| 17:44.34 | annma | maki_d: ? |
| 17:44.49 | annma | branch and trunk are totally not the same thing |
| 17:45.00 | annma | they don't run on the same Qt version for a start |
| 17:45.11 | flea | annma: could you point me in a direction to erase/clear/reset per-window/application settings (from altf3 menu) |
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| 17:45.36 | flea | i need to make changes on the backend, as i am unable to access alt+f3 for the window i need to edit |
| 17:45.47 | maki_d | annma: i mean of stuff moving from extragear/playground to the modules ... |
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| 17:46.22 | annma | it's not related to the 4.0.3 release |
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| 17:46.43 | maki_d | ok |
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| 17:47.06 | urku1 | Could somebody explain me the situation with 2 phonon libs in kde svn (one in qt-copy, and other in kde itself)? |
| 17:47.19 | annma | urku1: we don't build the qt one |
| 17:47.31 | maki_d | urku1: do you use archlinux ? |
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| 17:47.34 | annma | we in kde |
| 17:47.59 | urku1 | maki_d: I'm using gentoo and building svn trunk using kdesvn-build |
| 17:48.39 | urku1 | annma: Is it possible to compile both xine and gstreamer backends in KDE version of phonon? |
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| 17:49.39 | annma | compile? |
| 17:49.52 | annma | I don't compile any |
| 17:49.56 | annma | personally |
| 17:50.12 | annma | I guess if your distro is about compiling you will compile |
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| 17:50.43 | urku1 | About preview... Could you run 'time cat * > /dev/null' on FAT partition (in the directory where generating previews generates problems)? |
| 17:51.17 | annma | the problem is in my home mainly as it's the one I use the most |
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| 17:51.35 | annma | it's the one I navigate to and from the most |
| 17:51.48 | annma | and there's no problem without preview urku1 |
| 17:52.00 | annma | so I don't see how to measure the preview factor |
| 17:52.16 | urku1 | I have been read in less than a second... I don't understand... I mean that by default phonon from qt-copy compiles gstreamer backend, and KDE version compiles xine backend |
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| 17:52.44 | urku1 | How can I run KDE with both backends? |
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| 17:53.01 | maki_d | you can run 2 backends |
| 17:53.04 | teatime | flea: have a look at ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrulesrc |
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| 17:53.06 | maki_d | but not 2 phonons |
| 17:53.23 | flea | teatime: thank you very much :) |
| 17:53.24 | DreadKnight | ~ kde 4.0.3 released! |
| 17:53.37 | teatime | np :) |
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| 17:54.08 | annma | urku1: phonon does not compile any backend |
| 17:54.15 | annma | phonon "uses" the backend |
| 17:54.30 | annma | the backend is from your distro |
| 17:55.06 | urku1 | xinelib and gstreamer are from my distro. But their phonon backend wrapper are from KDE source tree |
| 17:55.17 | urku1 | maki_d: I've understood it |
| 17:55.23 | annma | you mean phonon |
| 17:55.28 | annma | phonon is from kde |
| 17:56.02 | annma | taht's how it should be, you build qt-copy with -phonon and you get phonon from kdelibs |
| 17:56.28 | urku1 | with -no-phonon, you mean? |
| 17:56.50 | annma | yes |
| 17:57.13 | urku1 | Thanks, I've added it to kdesvn-buildrc. |
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| 18:06.56 | annma | urku1: qt-copy has a README with the configure line |
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| 18:08.27 | urku1 | annma: I know. I just haven't knew which phonon should I use. |
| 18:09.00 | annma | the line says it |
| 18:09.27 | annma | does the kde-svn script use qt-copy? |
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| 18:09.48 | annma | that was my real question, I thought you modified the script itself as maintainer |
| 18:11.02 | urku1 | No, I'm just a user... And yes, kdesvn-build compiles qt-copy |
| 18:11.42 | annma | so maybe it doe snto use the correct config flags? |
| 18:12.07 | urku1 | Yes, there is no -no-phonon in default config flags. |
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| 18:12.27 | annma | :( |
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| 18:13.15 | anditosan | how can I change the animation logo in konqueror/kde3.5? |
| 18:13.26 | annma | is it for trunk though urku1? |
| 18:13.31 | tuxick | www.debianhelp.org/node/1332 crashes konqueror here |
| 18:13.45 | annma | the wezpage says 3.5 and 4.0 |
| 18:13.46 | tuxick | it's just as if it's getting less stable lately ;p |
| 18:14.32 | urku1 | annma: Yes, it is. Oh... May be, I'm using latest released version of kdesvn-build, not svn version. |
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| 18:14.55 | urku1 | So it can be corrected in the current svn version... |
| 18:16.11 | annma | it only applies to trunk I think |
| 18:17.41 | anditosan | how can I change the animation logo in konqueror/kde3.5? |
| 18:19.27 | sandsmark | anditosan: look at the instructions here: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Konqueror+Throbber?content=8475&PHPSESSID=cae |
| 18:19.33 | anditosan | ok |
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| 18:30.21 | lemma | annma: I rechecked border drawing in kde4 with the latest nvidia drivers. unfortunately it doesn't work |
| 18:30.55 | lemma | annma: still the same error I described above. |
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| 18:31.58 | annma | and what with other styles? |
| 18:32.16 | lemma | it's the same for all styles |
| 18:32.23 | lemma | I tried plastik, oxygen and keramik |
| 18:32.48 | lemma | I even tried opengl as well as xrender. always the same |
| 18:32.59 | lemma | is kwin in trunk working good for you? |
| 18:33.46 | annma | so it's not an oxygen problem |
| 18:33.48 | artie_ | hi ... when i try to add a superkaramba applet .. it says that some kross components are missing .. any idea? |
| 18:33.54 | annma | what wbout pure qt apps? |
| 18:33.55 | lemma | no, it is not |
| 18:34.11 | lemma | it's the same for every app |
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| 18:34.23 | annma | every apps? explain that |
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| 18:34.34 | lemma | I guess it's solely related to kwin |
| 18:34.39 | annma | what about kde3? |
| 18:34.49 | lemma | kwin in kde3 works fine |
| 18:35.04 | annma | drawing? |
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| 18:35.09 | lemma | kwin3 that is. kwin4 in kde3 works as described |
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| 18:35.25 | lemma | maybe I was too unspecific about the drawing error that's occurring |
| 18:35.34 | annma | submit a bug report on bugs.kde.org and add screenshot |
| 18:35.52 | annma | if you think it's kwin, report against kwin |
| 18:35.55 | lemma | ok :-) actually I was about to ask if I should.. because that's where this conversation started |
| 18:36.08 | annma | beware that kwin is kwin in kde4, not kwin4 which is a game |
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| 18:36.22 | annma | first browse the bug reports |
| 18:36.24 | lemma | I figured when I tried "kwin4 --replace" |
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| 18:37.50 | bline | What's a good imap client for kde? |
| 18:37.54 | lemma | kmail |
| 18:38.28 | annma | ;) everything is something4 except kwin in KDE 4 |
| 18:38.45 | lemma | annma: :-D |
| 18:39.08 | sandsmark | bline: also try mailody |
| 18:39.17 | sandsmark | it's only imap, though |
| 18:39.21 | bline | kmail doesn't qualify as good. |
| 18:39.35 | lemma | bline: oh. then you should really go with kmail |
| 18:39.38 | bline | sandsmark: ok, I'll give it a try. |
| 18:39.43 | lemma | bline: you didn't specify what you meant by good though |
| 18:39.58 | bline | kmail's imap support is not good. I do like kmail for most things |
| 18:40.10 | lemma | bline: you mean regarding threading? |
| 18:40.30 | bline | my connection is dropped often, and it often freezes kmail until I killall kio_imap4 and restart kmail |
| 18:40.38 | bline | it's a pita. |
| 18:40.44 | sandsmark | bline: it works fine here |
| 18:41.02 | sandsmark | and I'm on lots of dubious wireless networks =) |
| 18:41.05 | bline | yeah, it works fine here, it just doesn't fail gracefully |
| 18:41.35 | bline | very very often must killall kio_imap4. Maybe I can fix my connection this week though |
| 18:41.37 | sandsmark | here it just stays in the "fetching messages"-screen until it regains connectivity |
| 18:41.41 | bline | crosses fingers |
| 18:41.46 | artie_ | hi ... when i try to add a superkaramba applet .. it says that some kross components are missing .. any idea? |
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| 18:41.59 | bline | mine freezes on some percent and never moves again |
| 18:42.03 | annma | artie_: link to the apple? |
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| 18:42.07 | bline | ever, I left it that way for days |
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| 18:44.12 | dasKreech_ | anyone used leopard? |
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| 18:45.19 | artie_ | annma what apple |
| 18:45.31 | annma | applet |
| 18:45.34 | annma | ;) |
| 18:45.40 | artie_ | a |
| 18:46.08 | dasKreech_ | :-) |
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| 18:46.34 | dasKreech_ | Leopard has a very neat feature that highlights special properties ona a folder and subfolders |
| 18:46.39 | annma | link I mean artie_ |
| 18:46.43 | artie_ | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Liquid+Weather+%2B%2B?content=6384 doesn't work |
| 18:46.53 | artie_ | i am using kde-4.0.2 |
| 18:47.04 | artie_ | same problem in kde-svn |
| 18:47.43 | thiago_home | Leopard is a broken system... |
| 18:47.43 | artie_ | the whole error would be SuperKaramba cannot continue to run this theme.One or more of the required components of the Kross scripting architecture is not installed. Please consult this theme's documentation and install the necessary Kross components. |
| 18:47.51 | thiago_home | I wonder how Apple can get away with all of the changes they introduce |
| 18:48.03 | dasKreech_ | thiago_home: Yes but that doesn't discount nice ideas |
| 18:48.22 | artie_ | i have tried a few "apples" but none has worked :( |
| 18:48.24 | artie_ | yet |
| 18:48.36 | DreadKnight | apple lovers are blind... |
| 18:49.09 | annma | artie_: for kde4 then? |
| 18:49.28 | annma | apples have worms |
| 18:49.38 | dasKreech_ | thiago_home: So you have used the big mottled cat? |
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| 18:50.24 | thiago_home | dasKreech_: I have one to build Qt packages |
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| 18:50.57 | artie_ | so ... what can i do about the worms ... |
| 18:50.59 | artie_ | :D |
| 18:51.01 | dasKreech_ | thiago_home: ok have you seen when finder has a note on special folders like shared folders or virtual type folders? |
| 18:51.08 | dasKreech_ | artie_: don't use Safari 3.1 |
| 18:51.11 | artie_ | they're gonna compromise my whole yard |
| 18:51.12 | thiago_home | dasKreech_: no |
| 18:51.18 | thiago_home | dasKreech_: I don't use it for my daily work |
| 18:51.25 | dasKreech_ | thiago_home: do you have one one/available now ? |
| 18:51.26 | thiago_home | dasKreech_: I just start the package building then I close the VNC |
| 18:51.35 | dasKreech_ | one of those one is on |
| 18:51.36 | artie_ | what? :)) i'm talking about superkaramba and you tell me not to use safari :)) |
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| 18:51.42 | artie_ | which is the relation |
| 18:51.46 | thiago_home | I also hate the MacOS X disk I/O performance and scheduler |
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| 18:52.01 | dasKreech_ | artie_: Sorry I thought you were talking about apple having worms |
| 18:52.08 | annma | artie_: what kde version are those applets for? |
| 18:52.13 | thiago_home | my dual-core running Linux is faster than this octo-core running Leopard |
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| 18:53.00 | dasKreech_ | thiago_home: Well if you would humour me and turn on a vnc open finder and browse to the Public Folder ( think one should be on by default) and look at the change that ocurs |
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| 18:54.14 | artie_ | annma are the applets for kde3 not working in kde4? |
| 18:54.19 | thiago_home | dasKreech_: it opens my home folder by default |
| 18:54.41 | dasKreech_ | Yes is there a public folder there? |
| 18:55.01 | dasKreech_ | there is docuements and pictures desktop etc |
| 18:55.04 | annma | artie_: are you on kde4 then? |
| 18:55.12 | thiago_home | dasKreech_: there's a Public, yes |
| 18:55.14 | artie_ | yes |
| 18:55.28 | dasKreech_ | thiago_home: ok highlight it and notice the change in finder |
| 18:55.29 | annma | artie_: if you answer this question and give me the URL I could make an opinion |
| 18:55.34 | thiago_home | dasKreech_: one sub-folder called Drop Box, which is empty |
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| 18:55.44 | thiago_home | dasKreech_: nothing happens |
| 18:55.57 | artie_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.07 | dasKreech_ | thiago_home: you didn't get a small panel under the address bar thing that notes Shared Folder ? |
| 18:56.09 | artie_ | i said before that i am using kde-4.0.2 and kde-svn |
| 18:56.18 | artie_ | on none of it it works |
| 18:56.18 | thiago_home | dasKreech_: what address bar? :-) |
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| 18:56.33 | artie_ | i mean ... it doesn't works on neither of them |
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| 18:56.44 | dasKreech_ | I'm not familiar with Mac terminology :) |
| 18:56.46 | artie_ | dunno if it's gramatically correct |
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| 18:57.20 | dasKreech_ | thiago_home: move up and down off of Public and back on and see if anything visually changes for you |
| 18:57.39 | dasKreech_ | near the top of the listing of directories |
| 18:58.07 | thiago_home | dasKreech_: nothing changes |
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| 18:58.21 | dasKreech_ | :-( |
| 18:58.36 | dasKreech_ | Let me see if I can find a screenshot then |
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| 18:59.11 | dasKreech_ | thiago_home: what mode do you have the finder in? |
| 18:59.27 | dasKreech_ | the one with multiple panes that flow from left to right ? |
| 18:59.57 | dasKreech_ | http://images.apple.com/macosx/features/images/finder_gallery03_20071016.jpg |
| 18:59.59 | dasKreech_ | Like that ? |
| 19:00.01 | thiago_home | dasKreech_: I tried the icon view mode and the multiple panes |
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| 19:01.21 | dasKreech_ | thiago_home: ok it's not as standard as I thought I will do some more research into it |
| 19:02.17 | dasKreech_ | but essentially if you are in a special folder or any of it's sub directories it has a notification letting you know this is a shared folder or a virtual one etc |
| 19:03.18 | dasKreech_ | thiago_home: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1066943086;ssid;1;img;1445 |
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| 19:07.03 | dasKreech_ | thiago_home: as opposed to http://bp0.blogger.com/_bFWEYb3q8EQ/RodkVqN1qaI/AAAAAAAAAD4/TylDEZvTiWo/s1600-h/11+Finder+List+View.png |
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| 19:11.39 | ekimus | hi, any setting that will let me move a window to the next border? (the equivalent to shift+click'n drag in gnome if someone knows that) |
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| 19:17.12 | ReedWood | ekimus: what are you searching and which kde version do you run? |
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| 19:17.13 | dasKreech_ | thiago_home: I think it's a pretty good idea |
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| 19:24.22 | nharvey | hello i am somewhat new to the Fedora project/KDE and was wondering if there was a way to add/remove packages from the system |
| 19:24.33 | pinotree | nharvey: #fedora please |
| 19:24.37 | nharvey | sorry |
| 19:25.50 | nharvey | it says i need to be identified before i can join that channel |
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| 19:30.56 | dasKreech_ | nharvey: type /msg nickserv help register |
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| 19:49.05 | rohitj | In my UI I have 2 KTextEdit. When I increase/decrease my window size, the ktextedit size isn't changing. The two ktextedits was one above another. I want that the height of one ktextext shouldnt change, but height of other should change as the window size changes. What do I do? |
| 19:49.41 | rohitj | I couldnt find any such option. |
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| 19:57.19 | apokryphos | is there a clean way to restart plasma? |
| 19:57.47 | dasKreech_ | kquitapp plasma; plasma |
| 19:58.48 | apokryphos | thanks |
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| 20:03.45 | bughunter2 | hey, how long would the average KDE4 build (from SVN) take? |
| 20:03.53 | bughunter2 | 2gigs of ram + 64-bit 2.2ghz |
| 20:04.13 | tapas | hi, i wonder why kaffeine sometimes like to stop playing back movies and then tries toinstall a codec ad nausaeum |
| 20:04.49 | tapas | it tries to install it, then says "oh it's already installerd" and then tries tioo install it agin |
| 20:05.00 | pinotree | Zajec: #kdegames |
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| 20:55.38 | bughunter2 | compiling KDE4 seems REALLY easy |
| 20:55.50 | DaSkreech | :-) |
| 20:55.52 | bughunter2 | :) |
| 20:56.00 | bughunter2 | cmake was a good choice |
| 20:56.07 | thiago_home | good to know |
| 20:56.22 | bughunter2 | in fact, i'm now compiling kdebase, the rest is already done |
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| 20:56.40 | thiago_home | the rest = kdesupport, kdelibs, kdepimlibs? |
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| 20:56.54 | bughunter2 | yeah, no kdesupport though |
| 20:56.57 | MinceR | read that as "kdepimplibs" |
| 20:57.03 | bughunter2 | pimplibs? :) |
| 20:57.07 | DaSkreech | with the kane? |
| 20:57.31 | Jucato | hm.pimplibs... |
| 20:57.49 | DaSkreech | stuffPimper! :) |
| 20:58.16 | bughunter2 | can't wait to test KDE4 |
| 20:58.18 | DaSkreech | how are you? |
| 20:58.37 | bughunter2 | building it seems pretty fast too, don't know yet how long kdebase will take though |
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| 21:01.04 | threexk | Does KDE come with its own window manager? |
| 21:01.17 | threexk | (Is KDE its own window manager?) |
| 21:01.23 | DaSkreech | :-) |
| 21:01.24 | bughunter2 | kwin? |
| 21:01.25 | DaSkreech | kwin |
| 21:01.26 | dwinslow | threexk: kde includes a window manager, yes |
| 21:01.26 | Jucato | KWin |
| 21:01.29 | g2g591 | threexk: kde comes with kwin |
| 21:02.02 | threexk | thanks. Is changing the WM advisable? Is there a GUI for doing so? |
| 21:02.26 | threexk | I've been going through all the settings GUIs, but can't find anything about WM |
| 21:02.27 | DaSkreech | threexk: ahmm not sure about a GUI sure if it doesn't do what you want it to |
| 21:02.33 | Jucato | GUI? no. advisable? only at your own expense :) |
| 21:02.34 | DaSkreech | I tihnk it probably does though :) |
| 21:02.35 | thiago_home | adviseable? You do if you want to. |
| 21:02.37 | thiago_home | there's no GUI |
| 21:02.41 | Jucato | ~kdewm |
| 21:02.41 | apt | You can change the window manager used by KDE with the $KDEWM environment variable. See http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/kdewm/ |
| 21:02.49 | Jucato | ^^^^^^ |
| 21:03.07 | threexk | thanks |
| 21:03.32 | threexk | I'll try changing it depending on how well "tile" works with kwin |
| 21:03.46 | DaSkreech | threexk: For the amusement of killing my cat. What do you want to change it to? |
| 21:04.06 | threexk | DaSkreech: whatever works with tile. I can't live without tile |
| 21:04.22 | DaSkreech | forgets how tile works |
| 21:04.34 | DaSkreech | that's resizing all the windows to show at once? |
| 21:04.35 | threexk | lets you put two windows side by side |
| 21:04.42 | DaSkreech | or is that cascade? |
| 21:04.44 | threexk | two or more, yes |
| 21:05.00 | threexk | yes, show two or more windows at once |
| 21:05.21 | DaSkreech | ok |
| 21:05.23 | dwinslow | i don't believe kwin has an auto-tile feature at all |
| 21:05.26 | threexk | works nicely with widescreen monitors |
| 21:06.00 | threexk | dwinslow: bummer. there's this program called "tile" that does it. But in my past experiences it wasn't too reliable |
| 21:06.18 | dwinslow | it does have cascade and 'unclutter' |
| 21:06.38 | threexk | tiling windows seems indispensable to me if you have a widescreen monitor |
| 21:06.39 | dwinslow | neither of which I've played with extensively, i usually just maximize windows |
| 21:06.52 | dwinslow | has a widescreen and does fine without tiling |
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| 21:07.10 | Jucato | doesn't have one but still does better without tiling :) |
| 21:07.13 | thiago_home | definitely doesn't want his windows repositioned |
| 21:07.27 | Jucato | :D |
| 21:07.36 | threexk | it is not efficient to manually resize all windows |
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| 21:08.29 | Jucato | right.. I Just set their sizes once and leave them at that |
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| 21:08.39 | Jucato | only Konqi resizes by itself once in a while... |
| 21:08.54 | Kalidarn | in konctact 3.5.9 im getting "Could not start GnuPG LogViewer (kwatchgnupg); please check your installation." when trying to click on the gpg log viewer |
| 21:09.03 | Kalidarn | i think im missing a package |
| 21:09.56 | Jucato | Kalidarn: check with your distro if they have a separate package for kwatchgnupg |
| 21:10.10 | Kalidarn | its installed |
| 21:10.25 | Kalidarn | hmm, i wonder why it's not finding it anymore then |
| 21:13.12 | Kalidarn | hmmm it failed to find chiasmus |
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| 21:24.03 | _StefanS_ | can someone point to a good tutorial regarding usage of .ui files with kde ? |
| 21:24.10 | _StefanS_ | (for kde3) |
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| 21:25.43 | Jucato | _StefanS_: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/KDE3/Qt_Designer_and_KDevelop_3.0_for_Beginners |
| 21:26.23 | _StefanS_ | Jucato: thanks ;) |
| 21:26.34 | Jucato | :P |
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| 21:27.43 | _StefanS_ | Jucato: I just got it working, but the dialog is have some resize issues.. look here: http://194.192.21.169/pic.png |
| 21:28.00 | Jucato | wow yay :/ |
| 21:28.02 | _StefanS_ | Jucato: for some weird reason thats all I get.. |
| 21:28.14 | _StefanS_ | Jucato: it works, but doesnt lay out properly. |
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| 21:28.22 | Jucato | has no idea :/ |
| 21:28.41 | _StefanS_ | can anyone help me out? |
| 21:28.50 | Jucato | tried #kde-devel for it? |
| 21:29.10 | _StefanS_ | I will, thanks again |
| 21:31.18 | bughunter2 | after compiling KDE i can't "cs kdesupport" |
| 21:31.33 | bughunter2 | it says no "No such file or directory" |
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| 21:31.45 | bughunter2 | /home/kde-devel/kde/src/kdesupport |
| 21:32.03 | Thundercloud_ | bughunter2: Did you put the bash profile stuff that KDE recommended in? |
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| 21:32.13 | bughunter2 | Thundercloud_: yeah |
| 21:32.18 | Thundercloud_ | Weird |
| 21:32.20 | bughunter2 | in fact, kde is already compiled |
| 21:32.23 | bughunter2 | everything |
| 21:32.26 | bughunter2 | now i want to do kdesupport |
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| 21:33.27 | bughunter2 | Thundercloud_: any suggestions as to what i can try? |
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| 21:34.43 | Thundercloud_ | bughunter2: Not a clue unfortunately |
| 21:35.13 | bughunter2 | Thundercloud_: weird, what script should be responsible for setting up kdesupport and retrieving the svn? |
| 21:35.19 | bughunter2 | maybe i can fix it manually? |
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| 21:35.32 | Thundercloud_ | Possibl |
| 21:35.35 | Thundercloud_ | s/ Possibly |
| 21:36.02 | bughunter2 | yeah, just.. "How?" :) |
| 21:36.07 | sandsmark | bughunter2: tried konstruct? |
| 21:36.08 | Thundercloud_ | Hehe |
| 21:36.10 | Thundercloud_ | I couldn't tell you |
| 21:36.18 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: nope |
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| 21:36.41 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: konstruct: command not found |
| 21:37.12 | sandsmark | bughunter2: check in techbase |
| 21:37.33 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: ay, i'm in textmode, can you link me up? |
| 21:37.33 | sandsmark | http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Build/Konstruct |
| 21:37.37 | bughunter2 | .. |
| 21:37.39 | sandsmark | ^^ |
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| 21:38.04 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: do you know of a way in Links to pick the current URL and modify a part of it? |
| 21:38.07 | bughunter2 | like, the URL i'm currently on |
| 21:38.14 | sandsmark | bughunter2: sorry, no |
| 21:38.20 | bughunter2 | too bad |
| 21:38.25 | bughunter2 | i think Links doens't support it |
| 21:38.28 | sandsmark | bughunter2: someone here suggested switching browser |
| 21:38.29 | bughunter2 | s/doens't/doesn't |
| 21:38.30 | sandsmark | ^^ |
| 21:38.34 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: who?:) |
| 21:38.43 | bughunter2 | i hate Lynx since it whines about cookies |
| 21:38.44 | sandsmark | he's called morten |
| 21:38.50 | sandsmark | by friends |
| 21:39.07 | sandsmark | bughunter2: he suggest w3m instead |
| 21:39.09 | sandsmark | for cli |
| 21:39.24 | bughunter2 | okay |
| 21:39.28 | bughunter2 | installs w3m |
| 21:39.30 | DaSkreech | Whoot 4.0.3 installed :) |
| 21:39.33 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: anyway, what will Kosntruct do? |
| 21:39.36 | DaSkreech | no more white bug |
| 21:39.42 | sandsmark | bughunter2: build ^^ |
| 21:39.43 | bughunter2 | DaSkreech: you got stable branches/4.0 ? |
| 21:39.44 | sandsmark | afaik |
| 21:39.56 | bughunter2 | will branches/4.0 give me 4.0.3 ? |
| 21:40.05 | DaSkreech | does the qT4 dance |
| 21:40.08 | sandsmark | bughunter2: if that doesn't work, you could try adopting the pkgbuilds |
| 21:40.14 | sandsmark | DaSkreech: it owns ^^ |
| 21:40.30 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: sure |
| 21:40.40 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: w3m owns too |
| 21:40.41 | sandsmark | http://youtube.com/watch?v=NbTEVbQLC8s |
| 21:40.41 | bughunter2 | :D |
| 21:40.44 | sandsmark | ^^ |
| 21:41.03 | bughunter2 | gotta get used to it though |
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| 21:42.35 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: should i get construct 3.5? |
| 21:42.35 | bughunter2 | s/construct/konstruct (sorry, was a bit heretic) |
| 21:43.52 | sandsmark | bughunter2: isn't it available for 4? |
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| 21:44.22 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: no idea |
| 21:44.22 | sandsmark | ^^ |
| 21:44.22 | sandsmark | me neither |
| 21:44.22 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: branches/4.0/konsruct doesn't exist |
| 21:44.22 | bughunter2 | konstruct* |
| 21:44.32 | sandsmark | trunk/konstruct? |
| 21:44.36 | bughunter2 | :/ |
| 21:45.16 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: nope, doesn't seem so |
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| 21:45.40 | sandsmark | then you have to do it manually it seems, or adapt the pkgbuilds |
| 21:45.56 | Battousai | 4.0.3 compositing is impressively faster |
| 21:45.57 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: okay |
| 21:47.40 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: wheres a w3m tut? man w3m doesn't tell a lot |
| 21:48.35 | sandsmark | bughunter2: maneouver with hjkl (like vim), press buttons or enter text into fields with enter ^^ |
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| 21:48.58 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: how to save a file? download a file? |
| 21:49.03 | bughunter2 | how to get out of the options screen? argh |
| 21:49.03 | bughunter2 | : |
| 21:49.03 | bughunter2 | d |
| 21:49.10 | sandsmark | escape? |
| 21:49.16 | bughunter2 | helps |
| 21:49.32 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: nope |
| 21:49.58 | sandsmark | n00b |
| 21:50.06 | sandsmark | :P |
| 21:50.07 | bughunter2 | got it |
| 21:50.13 | sandsmark | ^^ |
| 21:50.14 | bughunter2 | screw you, hippie! |
| 21:50.15 | bughunter2 | :P |
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| 21:50.19 | sandsmark | =D |
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| 21:51.16 | tuxman | notte |
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| 21:55.48 | bughunter2 | sandsmark: after installing kdebase, what do i have to do to get it working and all? |
| 21:55.54 | bughunter2 | with KDE apps like kate/kwrite/konqueror |
| 21:55.55 | bughunter2 | etc |
| 21:56.19 | sandsmark | put them in somewhere in your path? |
| 21:56.27 | sandsmark | look in the techbase ^^ |
| 21:56.36 | bughunter2 | ;p |
| 21:56.47 | bughunter2 | i mean, are they all bundled in a package or what? |
| 21:56.53 | bughunter2 | "package" |
| 21:57.22 | sandsmark | kdebase has konqi and stuff, yes |
| 21:57.47 | bughunter2 | k |
| 21:57.52 | bughunter2 | what else would i need? |
| 21:58.21 | sandsmark | look at the polishlinux screenshot tours, they have all the pretty apps =) |
| 21:58.26 | sandsmark | try the new kdegames |
| 21:58.31 | sandsmark | and amarok |
| 21:58.42 | sandsmark | gwenview and dragon player are also nice |
| 21:58.53 | sandsmark | (from the top of my head) |
| 21:59.02 | pinotree | (and okular? ;) ) |
| 21:59.07 | sandsmark | yeah;) |
| 21:59.19 | bughunter2 | :) |
| 21:59.35 | sandsmark | pinotree: but i don't notice it that often, it's integrated into konqueror, and does one heck of a job, but I think it's a plus when you don't notice it;) |
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| 22:00.33 | pinotree | depends: i'd say it's a good thing you realise it's there, and it does not "forces" you to really think it's there |
| 22:01.18 | pinotree | hopes to not have done a confused phrase |
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| 22:02.58 | dunnix | hello all, has anyone here built webkit successfully? I'm having an issue with qmake |
| 22:03.19 | pinotree | dunnix: wrong channel, sorry |
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| 22:03.58 | dunnix | ah a webkit channel nice thanks! |
| 22:05.33 | bughunter2 | how can i view the revision of a repository without downloading it? |
| 22:05.33 | Jucato | bughunter2: websvn.kde.org? |
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| 22:05.33 | Jucato | yay I'm on the same node as pinotree :P |
| 22:05.34 | bughunter2 | Jucato: i was looking for some `svn` command if possible |
| 22:05.34 | Jucato | ah |
| 22:05.42 | pinotree | define "view the revision of a repository" |
| 22:05.46 | LOLCATSLOL | HAI |
| 22:06.12 | bughunter2 | pinotree: well, get the revision number? |
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| 22:06.19 | LOLCATSLOL | WUT HAV I DONE? |
| 22:06.21 | pinotree | of what? |
| 22:06.43 | LOLCATSLOL | I RIKE ANAR SERX |
| 22:06.48 | LOLCATSLOL | DO ME IN DA BUTTS |
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| 22:07.05 | pinotree | ... he actually asked for a kick in the butt, right? |
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| 22:07.11 | bughunter2 | pinotree: of a repository |
| 22:07.13 | bughunter2 | like /trunk |
| 22:07.27 | ROFLCATSROFL | HERRO EVERYONE!!! WHAT WHAT!!! |
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| 22:07.57 | pinotree | this game has to stop, NOW |
| 22:08.04 | bughunter2 | poor guys |
| 22:08.16 | pinotree | no, just a single moron |
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| 22:08.41 | pinotree | ok, where were we? |
| 22:08.49 | pinotree | oh, yes |
| 22:08.59 | bughunter2 | :) |
| 22:09.05 | pinotree | can you please be a bit more verbose and tell what exactly you want to get? |
| 22:09.17 | bughunter2 | like, svn <getrevision> svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk |
| 22:09.22 | bughunter2 | and it should return 793058 |
| 22:09.29 | bughunter2 | or just some info |
| 22:09.30 | pinotree | -r XXX |
| 22:09.40 | pinotree | err, wait |
| 22:10.15 | pinotree | do you want to a) checkout at a specified revision b) get the commit log of a revision c) else [specify] |
| 22:10.38 | bughunter2 | just get the information of the current state of a repository |
| 22:10.45 | bughunter2 | like, revision, how old it is, that stuff |
| 22:10.59 | pinotree | there's no such info |
| 22:11.02 | bughunter2 | okay |
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| 22:17.06 | DaSkreech | pinotree: Without an up you can't know where the repo is? |
| 22:17.24 | pinotree | ? |
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| 22:20.31 | pinotree | DaSkreech: i fail to understand the logic of your question... |
| 22:21.03 | DaSkreech | You can't simply query what revision the svn repo is at currently? |
| 22:21.11 | DaSkreech | directly or indirectly? |
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| 22:21.26 | pinotree | don't think so |
| 22:22.21 | pinotree | ah, svn info works with remote urls, yes |
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| 22:22.42 | pinotree | always says that's worth trying |
| 22:23.08 | DaSkreech | cause if I open kdesvn it tells me so there must be some way |
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| 22:29.54 | FunkyELF | is the kde4 theme available as a QT theme / style? |
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| 22:32.20 | kdepepo | Funky, oxygen? |
| 22:32.35 | kdepepo | Funky, it works with Qt apps, but requires installed KDE. |
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| 22:37.55 | FunkyELF | kdepepo, it can't be decoupled from kde? or is it dependent on kdelibs for some reason? |
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| 22:38.41 | kyled185 | I'm getting a very light blue text(so light that I can't read it) when using latest kde-svn. It's been doing this for over a month, is this something that is common? |
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| 22:39.05 | kyled185 | it's only in the menu at the top of qt4 apps |
| 22:40.23 | kdepepo | FunkyELF, it needs some parts of KDE for its configuration and color management. |
| 22:41.03 | FunkyELF | kdepepo, ahh....too bad...it would look nice on Windows |
| 22:41.28 | kdepepo | FunkyELF, KDE 4 is available for Windows (pre release versions) |
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| 22:42.01 | kdepepo | FunkyELF, using the Oxygen style _should_ work, didn't test it, but there is nothing in KDE that should prevent it. |
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| 22:47.14 | kdepepo | FunkyELF, are you able to compile styles from source under windows? |
| 22:47.29 | FunkyELF | kdepepo, never tried running kde on Windows |
| 22:47.52 | kdepepo | FunkyELF, I meant Qt 4 styles, using CMake build system. |
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| 22:48.44 | FunkyELF | kdepepo, I just get the Qt binary for windows |
| 22:48.51 | kdepepo | FunkyELF, okey |
| 22:48.52 | FunkyELF | I tried making it under cygwin once |
| 22:48.57 | FunkyELF | didn't work out nice |
| 22:49.01 | kdepepo | :) |
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| 23:46.21 | slew | hi, is there a meta package i can unmerge to remove kde? |
| 23:47.29 | kdepepo | slew, remove kdelibs and remove any package that depend on that. |
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| 23:48.21 | slew | thanks kdepepo |
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| 23:49.05 | ether_c | ughh.. this is so slow |
| 23:49.11 | ether_c | can anyone offer any tips on speeding up kde4? |
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| 23:49.20 | ether_c | specifically, the compositor? |
| 23:49.41 | ether_c | it feels really choppy on my machine. |
| 23:49.53 | ether_c | compiz runs like a breeze though.. |
| 23:50.04 | Smorg | ether_c: i'm not sure theres much you can do yet with the kwin composite stuff |
| 23:50.21 | Smorg | ether_c: is something sucking your cpu (like x) |
| 23:50.29 | ether_c | I'll check |
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| 23:52.18 | Smorg | if ur strictly looking for a good composite wm... compiz works fine for me on kde4, though idealy eventually kde can catch up so we actually get a well-integrated wm. |
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| 23:52.32 | ether_c | X uses about 10% cpu |
| 23:52.35 | ether_c | which is a little odd |
| 23:52.44 | Smorg | yeah thats what i though |
| 23:52.45 | Smorg | t |
| 23:52.50 | Smorg | it seems to for some reason |
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| 23:54.28 | thiemster | What is a good way to switch from KDE3 to KDE4? I currently have kubuntu 8.04 beta KDE3 edition on my computer, and I want to switch all of the KDE applications to KDE4. |
| 23:56.02 | thiemster | hello? anyone? |
| 23:56.21 | MuJ | wait for 4.1 |
| 23:56.33 | pinotree | hello? no patience today? |
| 23:56.35 | thiemster | MuJ: I kinda meant some solution that I could do tonight |
| 23:57.00 | thiemster | MuJ: or sometime in the near future |
| 23:57.13 | thiemster | pinotree: sorry, I just didn't know if anyone saw my message |
| 23:57.32 | MaxHR | Hello, Is there an option in kaffeine to disable screen saver and monitor powersave while video is playing? |
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