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00:09.40daurnhi all
00:09.50daurncan anyone help me with taglib?>
00:10.06daurnits hosted by kde...
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00:24.32Digital_PioneerHi. I'm on KDE 3.5.8, and ArchLinux (Core Dump)
00:24.44Digital_PioneerI'd like to replace my OO.o icons, but leave the rest alone.
00:24.47Digital_PioneerHow can I do that?
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00:25.25Digital_PioneerI like my icon set for the most part, but the OO.o icons look like something fresh out of windoze 95.
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00:26.52g2g591Digital_Pioneer: i don't know about Open office, but you could try koffice
00:27.10Digital_Pioneerg2g591: I have never heard very good things about KOffice...
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00:27.59g2g591Digital_Pioneer: pfff , it works fine
00:28.27Digital_Pioneerg2g591: I've heard bad things about the power-point-ish side of it.
00:28.53g2g591Digital_Pioneer: havn't really used their presentation program much....
00:30.15pinotreeDigital_Pioneer: i just wonder why you ask an openoffice question in a kde channel...
00:30.36Digital_PioneerIt's not an OO question, it's an icon question.
00:30.47Digital_PioneerIcons are displayed by the DE.
00:30.51pinotreenope
00:30.58Digital_Pioneer(I mean file icons, not buttons within the program)
00:31.29pinotreeah (clearess: -100%)
00:32.25Digital_PioneerOK, you know that little picture that appears above the filename? It's ugly. I want to change it.
00:33.04pinotreekde control center → kde components → file associations
00:33.18Digital_PioneerThanks. :)
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00:38.14daurnanyone able to help with taglib?
00:38.16Digital_PioneerAhh, soooo much better. Thanks pinotree
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00:38.35pinotreedaurn: well, asking would be better for sure...
00:38.55daurnI'm looking for someone involved in taglib development
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00:39.04daurnI'm doubting there will be someone here
00:39.10daurnbut there could :P
00:40.37pinotreedaurn: wheeler@kde.org
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00:43.15pinotreedaurn: and no, you won't find taglib developers on irc
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01:17.33halakarHey guys - How to change the space between desktop icons under KDE 3.5?
01:17.52rushfanmove them?
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01:46.10js0nyany way to disable the nsplugin popups in konqueror?
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01:59.49jervinejs0ny: uninstall nsplugin?
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02:01.35halakarHey guys - How to change the space between desktop icons under KDE 3.5?
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02:06.19litbhello all
02:06.23litbi'm running kde4
02:06.35litbit's working nice, though there are some bugs left
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02:07.03litbfor example if i switch on effects, then i cannot click on the desktop icons anymore (and after a restart, the desktop is all black)
02:07.12js0nylitb: 4.01 was recently tagged. should address some of your problems
02:07.17litband the application launcher is ignoring mouse clicks
02:07.24litbjs0ny: i am running 4.0.1 :)
02:07.33litb(kdemod401 here)
02:08.00litbit has backported the resizable panel very nice
02:08.29litbthough i can live with those bugs personally
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02:13.23litbwhat is the key shortcut to show the applets above the windows?
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02:21.11chekolitb: ctrl + f12
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02:23.05litbcheko: thxx
02:23.23litbbut i thought it would not hide the other windows
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02:39.36g2g591is there any way to get plasma to save it's config, without having to close it?
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03:49.59StarfishI have a script-ish question: I'm running ktorrent on another machine, would there be a practical way to have it notify me via some IM method when it finishes a download, and/or periodically with stats ?
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03:56.32dasKreechdcop ?
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04:02.07spiffytechKmail is crashing when I try to drag a message from my IMAP inbox to another IMAP folder. Copying to a local folder works fine
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04:06.42oppizwhat is the mail client in KDE4?
04:06.50oppizor what package is kmail in?
04:08.49EricTheFruitbatit's in kdepim
04:09.03aseigooppiz: kmail / kontact are rather broken in 4.0 however.
04:09.09aseigooppiz: the goal is to have working versions in 4.1
04:09.23oppizthat's gay
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04:24.31oppizklauncher[22287]: segfault at 00000000000000c9 rip 00002b20df2da2be rsp 00007fffcd150c80 error 4
04:26.35xdan779oppiz: kmail from svn is very usable, evan if compiling isn;t your thing kde3 based apps run well in a kde4 enviroment, you can always install your distros kde3 kdepim packages
04:26.51aseigooppiz: it's what the pim hackers had time for. instead of keeping on the crazyness that was the kontact codebase as is they went to work on akonadi. longer term haul, but big time future benefits
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04:31.20halakarHey guys - How to change the space between desktop icons under KDE 3.5?
04:33.08dasKreechoh hi aseigo Didn't recognize you :)
04:33.22dasKreechback on real time now? or still timing down under?
04:33.29aseigoback on real time again.
04:33.44dasKreechgreat :)
04:34.20aseigohalakar: doesn't seem you can
04:34.47mark_alechey aseigo
04:35.04halakarThat sucks
04:35.04aseigomark_alec: yo
04:35.48mark_alecaseigo: back in canada?
04:37.21aseigomark_alec: yep =)
04:37.45mark_alecaseigo: hope you enjoyed australia :D
04:38.32aseigohalakar: however.. in plasma the grid is variable .. well, it's a static int atm, but that would be easy to make a configurable variable.
04:38.39aseigomark_alec: it was pretty intense. =)
04:38.43aseigohad a good time, if not much sleep
04:39.26mark_aleci don't think anybody got much sleep
04:42.32oppizxdan779, that is what i get when i run klauncher
04:42.40oppizaseigo,
04:42.55oppizkde 4 starts it gets to a blinking blue thing in the menu and dies
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04:52.03JoeyJoeJowhat's the best way of getting flash to work in konqueror?
04:52.25xdan779oppiz: I am not sure I understand, I do not believe klauncher is a program that you run on its own, what is it that you are trying to do when you get that error message
04:52.39oppizwhen i run startkde
04:52.55oppizklauncher[22439]: segfault at 00000000000000c9 rip 00002b1b90cd12be rsp 00007fff1b75a290 error 4
04:53.00oppizappears in my logs
04:53.01oppizdmesg
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04:53.52oppizxdan779, i can start kwrite and other such programs but not run startkde
04:54.34lexualIs the "add comment" feature in dolphin kde4 "information" sidebar working for anyone else?
04:54.54xdan779oppiz: ahh running dmesg myself I get the same types of messages, referring to something about inotify
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04:55.49oppizxdan779, then why does it get half way started then shut down
04:56.08xdan779oppiz: though they do not seem to be causing any real harm
04:56.11oppizis there a way to run verbose
04:58.12oppizplasma works
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05:03.41xdan779oppiz: where are you trying to run startkde from
05:03.55xdan779are you in an Xsession when you run it
05:04.10oppizi have tried both .xinitrc and from the xterm in a default X
05:04.54zipitohow to make kde 3.5.8 working with pulseaudio
05:05.16xdan779what method did you use to install kde4 and on what distro
05:05.26oppizme or zipito
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05:07.23oppizxdan779, http://cblfs.cross-lfs.org/index.php/KDE4
05:09.28zipitoany idea to make kde running with pulse?
05:09.43zipitoI'm getting a strange problem
05:09.57zipitowhile I've been running gnome Pulse audio worked well
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05:15.03xdan779oppiz: did you follow the docs posted at http://cblfs.cross-lfs.org/index.php/KDE4 before installing those packages
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05:15.26oppizi wrote most of them
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05:19.14xdan779well I suppose you can't get much closer to the source than that
05:21.17oppizi got it
05:21.39oppizit wasn't creating /tmp/{USER}-tmp
05:21.53xdan779oppiz: looking through the packages provided there it looks like there a KDE4/KDEPim package from SVN available
05:22.24oppizheh
05:22.39oppizi need some sort of mail client
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05:23.49xdan779from that link I posted above under kde additional packages there is a link to KDE4/Kde Pim kmail kde's mail client should be part of that package
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05:46.00dasKreechalpine even
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06:06.11troydasKreech: still awake?
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06:06.20dasKreechtroy: No
06:06.22dasKreech:)
06:06.26troydasKreech: too bad :P
06:06.48dasKreechI dodream if people talk to me in my sleep though
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06:07.24Jucatotroy is still awake? O.o
06:07.49j-bHello *
06:08.05Jucatotroy: don't worry... if he's not awake when you talk to him, he's sure to reply 6+ hours later, even if you forgot what you wanted to talk to him about :)
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06:08.39troyJucato: that works :)
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06:17.56troyJucato: did you pick up a Qt book yet?
06:18.10troyJucato: or are you simply going to try the tutorials first (I highly recommend them)
06:18.40Jucatotroy: I already have the Qt 4 book from Trolltech... halfway through reading it... not that happy about it but better than nothing :)
06:19.24troyJucato: the Qt docs are amazing - best docs I've seen anywhere :)
06:20.35Jucatotroy: actually the TT Qt 4 book feels more like bookified tutorials more than anything :)
06:20.48Jucatobut yeah, I think Qt docs are great too :)
06:20.53yargseem easier to work with than gtk?
06:21.09lilltigerQt docs lacks examples and som explanation, in that area i prefere the php.net docs
06:21.12Jucatowell, the fact that it's C++ :)
06:21.20troyyarg: never worked with gtk, but it's generally significantly less lines of code
06:21.33Jucatolilltiger: hm... there are both of those in the Qt API docs
06:21.48Jucatotroy, yarg: not_to_mention_avoid_names_like_this
06:21.51lilltigerJucato: yes, but not to the same extent
06:22.23troythe best 'absolute beginners' tutorial I've seen is the python one... it lets you go from knowing nothing to coding in python in about two hours, assuming you know another OO language...
06:22.37Jucatoheh that's the problem :)
06:22.40yargI just started going through the kdevelop guide about a week ago
06:22.43yargvery nice docs
06:23.00j-bIs there any solution to get my gtk applications a bit a better look than now on KDE4.0.1 ?
06:23.31troyj-b: not yet - there's not qt-gtk-engine for qt4 yet, afaik...
06:23.43lilltigerstill the kde/qt 3.x api is the best api i have been working with this far
06:24.03j-btroy: ok, can they use a qt-gtk-engine3 then ?
06:24.30yargsplit ebuilds = pain in the nuts
06:24.33troyj-b: they should be able to, yes...
06:24.50j-bgrmbll..
06:25.12troyj-b: I usually don't bother, as I only use a gtk app like once a month, maybe...
06:25.42lilltigeryarg: hmm if i recall correctly there is an command to see all installed apps that have kdelibs as dependency
06:25.45j-btroy: I have no choice, some work application are coded in GTK
06:26.02Jucatoyarg: or get help from #gentoo-kde
06:26.23yargI'm thinking I can just unmerge the kde-base or kde-meta, and depclean
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06:27.49lilltigeryarg: might work.. depclean wasent very good when i used gentoo but thats a few years ago
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06:30.22yarglilltiger: what distro are you on now?
06:30.31lilltigerarchlinux
06:30.46yargah, that was my guess :b
06:31.14yargpeople who use gentoo either keep using it forever, or switch to arch
06:31.26j-bI don't find a volume applet for KDE4, is it my distros' issue?
06:31.40lilltigerarch is like the only choise if one likes gentoo but cant stand the compile times
06:31.53yargtheres sabyon
06:32.35lilltigerhavent tried it
06:32.52Jucatoj-b: you need to install kmix from kdemultimedia (the KDE 4 version of course). consult your distro for info on packages
06:32.53yargI just put distcc on everything that has a processor in this house ^^
06:33.18lilltigerall i had when i switched to arch was an p3 866 :)
06:33.28j-bJucato:
06:33.29yargouchy
06:33.30j-bthanks
06:33.42yargfor compiling, fine for linux :)
06:34.15lilltigeryhee it worked great when it was all installed.. but kde took like 72h to install :D
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06:34.37j-bJucato: thanks, I hadn't installed it, I am stupid :'(
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06:35.21dasKreechtroy: go through distrowatch alphabetically
06:36.15Jucatoj-b: it's not usually installed by default anyway (distro install it by default in KDE 3)
06:37.08j-bJucato: well, I did get most of my packages from debian experimental... which explains why :D
06:41.24Rafetanyone know the best website for learning how to programe using C#
06:41.27Rafet??
06:41.35yarggoogle.
06:42.03j-bIs there some good widget for CPU monitoring ?
06:42.11yargor, good ole: http://newdata.box.sk/bx/c/
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06:42.42Rafetis c++ better than c#
06:42.43Rafet?
06:42.53yargthey aren't really comparable
06:43.11yargc# is .net, if you want .net, use c#, else c++
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06:43.34j-bif you don't want, use C++ and Qt
06:43.36JucatoC# is an MS language of course...
06:43.45yargif you want to do anything in linux, you don't want c# unless you want to use mono.
06:43.47Rafetreally ??
06:43.49yarguse java instead
06:44.02lilltigerewww
06:44.10yargc# is very java-like
06:44.12lilltigerjava is like.. well bad :)
06:44.31Jucatotechnically speaking, C# was developed by Microsoft as the primary language for their .NET platform (afaik)
06:44.37yargjava is like... probably the most commonly used language, especially for cross-platform
06:44.39Jucatowhich is worse? C# or Java? :D
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06:44.51lilltigerjava
06:44.55j-bJucato: both
06:44.58Jucato:D
06:45.04yargc# is a great language
06:45.07Rafetno, i like java
06:45.11yarg.net bad, c# good.
06:45.13lilltigerC# is developed by some very good c++ programmers :)
06:45.14Jucatoheheh
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06:45.28Rafeti think its good for websites
06:45.51yargthe only thing bad about c# is that technically ms could come up with some creative way to kill mono via patents and the like.
06:46.03yargwhich is the main reason I don't waste my time with it.
06:46.11Rafetlilltiger : thats what i heared
06:46.24Rafetso do you think c# is better than c++ !!!
06:46.25lilltigerit is
06:46.39Rafetjervine i dno't too
06:46.44jervine.Net is an implementation of C#
06:46.47Jucatobut of course, this isn't the channel to ask about language questions :)
06:46.52jervinetrue
06:46.54yargthe actual c# language in its self, yes is a great language, > c++ probably
06:46.59lilltigerRafet: in some ways yes, but C# is only supported by MS and isent good at all for crossplattform
06:46.59Rafet.Net is MS but not c#
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06:47.05yargthough c++ is still more versitile
06:47.07jervinebut the statement that C# is a Microsoft language is wrong
06:47.09yargmore better libs
06:47.18RafetAha
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06:47.32appelzaand probably faster
06:47.42j-bC# is bad for perf, as java is
06:47.55Jucato(Qt makes C++ the best :P)
06:48.04appelzaid rather just code ruby than c#
06:48.06j-bisn't KDE 4.0.1 out ?
06:48.10appelzaif I wanted a higher level lang
06:48.14Jucatobut right... just a warning to stop the pending language discussion :)
06:48.18Jucatoj-b: not yet
06:48.22yargwikipedia: c# is an object-oriented programming language developed by Microsoft as part of the .NET initiative and later approved as a standard by ECMA and ISO.
06:48.29troyj-b: it's tagged - not sure if the tarballs are out
06:48.30j-bJucato: so it is just tagged
06:48.39Jucatoj-b: yes
06:48.39j-bJucato: troy: ok.
06:48.42appelzais there a changelog somewhere?
06:48.46appelzafor 4.0.1
06:48.48j-bok, debian has it
06:48.51troyj-b: feel free to use anonsvn :)
06:48.59Rafetso i'll start learning c++
06:49.01yargin other words... .net is THE implementation of c#, with others such as mono being an afterthought
06:49.07j-btroy: debian expe does great KDE packages
06:49.09troyappelza: 4.0.1 is mostly bugfixes, so not many things to note in the changelog...
06:49.13j-btroy: I just compile phonon
06:49.29appelzaregardless, is there one? :P
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06:50.01j-bhttp://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_0to4_0_1.php
06:50.05j-bthis one ?
06:50.11troyappelza: I'm not sure it exists yet :) I know that they are making an annoucement page for it to put on kde.org, so that might contain a changelog...
06:50.15troyaha, there we go
06:50.21yargmonodevelop is such a nice ide though... probably my favorite.
06:50.32appelzatnx
06:50.42j-bmonkeystudio is funny and it has a good Qt4 integrattion
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06:50.56troyappelza: I think that page is supposed to be under embargo still... heh :)
06:51.03yarghm, haven' ttried that one
06:51.09yargkdevelop looks nice for qt stuff
06:51.15Jucatoj-b: um... it's a Qt IDE... of course it should have Qt4 integration :)
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06:51.20troyI guess if we always follow the same naming pattern, it's easy to geuss
06:51.23Jucatoer.. it's an IDE for Qt I mean
06:51.38j-bJucato: yeah, but that is good enough for me :D
06:52.01Jucatoappelza: rule of thumb. "unreleased" web pages can still undergo some changes... but if you're ok with that, no problem :)
06:52.07yargkate for plain c++ :b
06:52.16Jucatoyarg: ++ :D
06:52.22appelzadont see anything there about taskbar resizing or colouring, maybe thats not added to the list yet?
06:52.23Jucatoer.. ++ on that one
06:52.29appelzavim 4tw :p
06:52.31Jucatoappelza: it's not in 4.0.1
06:52.40utenhey everyone
06:52.41yargappelza: kate!!
06:52.48appelzaJucato: not even resizing?
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06:53.02j-bappelza: agreed, vim above anything
06:53.09Jucatoappelza: probably. I'm not running an SVN copy so I can't verify
06:53.11yarglol
06:53.18yarghaven't tried it
06:53.22appelza;>
06:53.24Jucatonow we're on text editor wars :)
06:53.34j-bJucato: IDE war :D
06:53.48yargisn't vim like... nano?
06:53.53appelzacant be a war since vim already wins by default
06:53.53Jucatohah! no!
06:54.00appelza:po
06:54.04j-b
06:54.11dasKreechJucato: Tried dcop?
06:54.19JucatodasKreech: ahem?
06:54.23yarg?
06:54.31lilltigernano ftw!
06:54.34dasKreechkate on the command line
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06:54.40troyhahah :)
06:54.58utenkate on mac :)
06:55.05yargI don't quite get kate
06:55.44yargits not really a text editor, but a framework for embedding the editor into anything from what I gather
06:55.45Jucato<yarg> kate for plain c++ :b   <yarg> I don't quite get kate
06:55.47Jucatohm...
06:56.02lilltigerscitzo
06:56.19Jucatoyarg: Kate uses the katepart to implement it's text editing... it's KParts at its finest
06:56.22yargfor ex: theres kate and kwrite
06:56.26yargwhich look the same
06:56.32utenhey troy
06:56.46yargaah
06:56.51Jucatoyarg: think of kwrite and kate as shells around the text editing KPart (katepart). Kate is the more advanced one
06:56.58Jucatoyarg: http://kate-editor.org/
06:57.25troyuten: you're a KDE/Mac user, right?
06:57.34troyuten: do you know if the torrents exploded recently?
06:58.03utentroy: yes I am, and nope I dont know, I am not currently seeding the kde on mac torrents
06:58.39utentroy: I believe I got mine directly from benjamins website
06:58.59troyI didn't know his website could handle that much bandwidth :)
06:59.22utenhe switched to kde website during the event
07:00.18troyyeah - the website looks nice - but the torrent (at least earlier today) shows no one else is online
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07:00.34utenohhhh
07:00.55utenbtw skreech is sending u the proposal now
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07:01.16troywhich I thought was odd, considering how many hits RangerRick said he was getting in the days following the event...
07:01.22troyroot! don't go on irc as root!
07:03.20j-bhe obeys
07:03.37j-bAnyone fool enough around ?
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07:04.22troyj-b: I yell at about 10 'roots' every day :)
07:04.39j-bWe autokick them out
07:04.49utenwhats the root problem tho? is it etiquette or a security threat?
07:04.55j-bsecurity
07:05.12utenoh ok
07:05.12troyuten: security - basically, if their irc client has a hole, someone could take their whole computer
07:05.22dasKreechdon't IRC as Root!!
07:05.23j-bDo less things possible as root. Imagine there is a flaw in your IRC client
07:05.27troyJucato: don't pretent do go on irc as root! :P
07:05.32Jucato:D
07:05.36utenlol
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07:05.45utenok i see now
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07:05.57j-bthe less things you do as root, the best you are
07:06.32utenin theory,
07:06.48utenI have a linux install that i only use as root jus so i can say im all powerful
07:06.51utenbwahahahahahaha
07:06.59utenit also has no net connection
07:07.06utenand no floppy or cdrom drive
07:07.17utenand non functionin usb
07:07.17Jucatohm.. let me guess... no CPU either?
07:07.23utencpu is there
07:07.26utenit boots
07:07.27j-bIf you want to be powerfull, fuck 2 girls at the same time
07:07.36Jucatoer.. please watch the language j-b
07:07.37utenthats not powerful, thats normal
07:07.38troyuten: running as root is not fun... typing rm -rf .. (and not realizing that .. is /) and your system is toast... as a user, nothing happens
07:07.38lilltigeruten: who is more powerful, the god or the man who can become god when he wants.. :)
07:07.41j-bnot running a computer as root
07:07.45j-bJucato: k
07:08.10troyj-b: pg13 is a good rule of thumb :)
07:08.14utenneway dont mind me,
07:08.15Jucatolilltiger: the god who can rm the man :)
07:08.24utenim a regular sudo-er like everyone else
07:08.37lilltigerJucato: but the man can rm the god aswell
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07:08.51lilltigeri dont like sudo :)
07:08.55utentroy:check ur mail
07:08.56lilltigeri just su :)
07:08.57Jucato:D
07:09.31troylilltiger: I turn my root password off, and just use sudo
07:09.43uteni dont like su, that means there is a su password, wudo -i ftw
07:09.47uten*sudo
07:10.07yargi've been wanting to try that
07:10.13yargI work as root so much though that theres no point
07:10.20yargi've got a root console going at virtually all times
07:10.30j-bwhat for ?
07:10.36j-bexcept installing soft ?
07:10.40yargits gentoo... ^^
07:10.53utenyarg:that makes everything clear
07:10.53yargcompile, install, by the time you're done compiling, its time to repeat
07:11.10lilltigeri prefere that the attacker has an extra password they have to break..
07:13.05yargthats why I <3 linux... they develop shiz faster than I can install it
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07:13.33dasKreechuten: You can type a few letters and hit tab
07:13.40yargcompile a new kernel every few weeks
07:13.44Shirakawasunadoes kde 4 play nice with kde 3 so long as I use two separate user accounts to run it?
07:13.46yargso much fun
07:13.55utendasKreech: ahhh i seee
07:14.02yargThey work fine together even with just 1 account
07:14.15dasKreechuten: said the blind man
07:14.23utendasKreech:
07:14.30utendasKreech: anyway i gone
07:14.33utenlater
07:14.38Shirakawasunahmmm, most problems I've dealt with in here are for people who used the same account for both kde3 and kde4
07:14.46dasKreechme too I have a meeting in a few hours
07:15.04yargtheres a weird way of dealing with it for this distro though
07:15.12yargthey can coexist on different "slots" i guess.
07:15.29Shirakawasunaslots?  gentoo?
07:16.41uten./gone to bed
07:17.10dasKreechnice script :)
07:17.32uten./me goes to bed
07:17.37utennahh doesnt work
07:17.52utenahhh i seee
07:18.02kaminix^Is there any way to count characters in KMail? Like File -> Statistics in KWord?
07:18.44Qrawlbytes
07:18.54Qrawlbits
07:19.11kaminix^Are all japanese characters 2 bytes?
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07:19.21kaminix^Where's the bytes listed?
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07:19.26kaminix^*are
07:19.55Qrawldont know
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07:25.04thiago_homekaminix^: no, they are not.
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07:25.37thiago_homekaminix^: you did not say the encoding, so I'm answering in general.
07:25.45thiago_homekaminix^: they are not 2-bytes in length in ALL encodings.
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07:27.06kaminix^Think it's UTF-8, haven't changed any settings.
07:27.14kaminix^wops, got to go
07:27.34thiago_homethen it's definite no
07:27.54thiago_homeit's generally 3 bytes in length
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08:00.32Steven_Mdoes anyone here use kphone?
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08:23.28Steven_Mwhat's an example of a provider I can connect to with kphone?
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08:24.04troySteven_M: lots of sleepy people right now :) I don't use kphone myself, so I don't know....
08:24.29troyin a few more hours, europe will be fully awake, in which case someone who has used kphone is more likely to be online :)
08:27.41Steven_Mtroy: in a few more hours, I'll be asleep :)
08:28.28troySteven_M: you could try emailing kde@kde.org - sort of the general users mailing list - sometimes that's faster than irc...
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08:29.33dasKreechFaster than IRC?
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08:36.11Steven_Mtroy do you remember my sound card question last night?
08:36.56dasKreechSteven_M: I think you missed the boat on that. He;s probably sleeping
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08:38.40Steven_MdasKreech: good night
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09:00.59Shihanhi guys, i've been running kde 3.5.8 (fedora 8) with compiz for a while, and the one thing i dont seem to be able to get working is the alt-f1 and alt-f2 keys... i've seen a few posts, but has anyone actually solved that problem?
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09:09.41adrin_jalalinot sure at all, and maybe you yourself tried before, did you try to reconfigure these shortcut keys from control center ?
09:10.34adrin_jalaliit seems that shortcut keys are handled but window decorator, so when you change your window decorator to compiz- you maybe should reconfigure them :-/
09:12.09Shihanno, i've never changed them... i've tried this one: http://kdedevelopers.org/node/2294 and various permutations of it... but alt-f2 and alt-f1 just seem to refuse to function
09:13.50Shihancompiz thinks that alt-f1 is show menu and alt-f2 run command, but they just dont seem to get translated back to kde at all
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09:20.30SeraphimHi
09:20.37SeraphimIs it possible to compile konversation for Windows?
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09:28.48lilltigerSeraphim: well is it avaible for kde4 yet?
09:29.00SeraphimDon't think so...
09:29.12SeraphimBut why does it matter? It's available for 3.5.x
09:29.16lilltigerthen it isent possible
09:29.20SeraphimWhy not?
09:29.29Seraphimkde 3.5.x doesn't compile on windowx?
09:29.31Seraphimwindows?
09:29.34lilltigeryhe but 3.5.x  dosent work in windows
09:29.41Seraphimand KDE4 does?
09:29.44lilltigeryes
09:29.48Seraphimthat's weird...
09:29.51lilltigerno
09:29.57SeraphimI thought kde always compiled on windows...
09:29.58lilltigerkde4 is an total rewrite
09:30.09SeraphimBut how would one use it on windows?
09:30.14SeraphimThere's already a native destkop.
09:30.23lilltigerit's the kde4 apps, not the desktop
09:30.29lilltigerthat is avaible for windows
09:30.38Seraphimhmmmm....
09:30.58lilltigertake a peek at the kde 4 keynotes on youtube
09:31.22lilltigerthe demo some apps on windows
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09:31.59SeraphimAre you using kde 4?
09:32.13kirillno
09:32.29Seraphimlilltiger?
09:32.47lilltigernot yet
09:32.54lilltigerbut is about to try it..
09:32.56Seraphimhmm...
09:33.04SeraphimI'm compiling it now.. (on linux)
09:33.08SeraphimI'm wondering if it's a major change...
09:33.10lilltigerthough i want it to develope my apps
09:33.13SeraphimA whole new experience.. or not.
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09:33.26lilltigerSeraphim: nope you will be dissapointed
09:33.33Seraphimby what?
09:33.47lilltigerit dosent have much apps nor much eyecandy yet
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09:34.07Seraphimbrb
09:34.29lilltigerin 4.0.0 you cant even resize the panel.. it isent ment to be an productive desktop yet
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09:53.18geburahi all , i just found a bug in my ark (kde archiver) installation ( version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu2 ), i don't find any bug report associated, as somebody some time to loose to verify with me that the bug occur on a different installation before i send a bug report ?
09:54.15lilltigerark is full of bugs..
09:54.38lilltigersometimes i wonder if there is anything but bugs in it..
09:55.01gebura:)
09:55.52geburathe problem is simple, i have a zip archiv whitch contain a file (install.bat) , if i drag n drop another file named install.bat , it crash, if i remove the current file into before it work
09:56.08geburaif somebody can verify it, it may be helpfull
09:56.10lilltigersometimes it actually works and then i get to excited so i try to compress something to anythiing other then .zip and it breaks again..
09:56.44lilltigergebura: tried with other filenames+
09:56.52lilltigerand other types of archives
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09:58.10lilltigergebura: cant test.. :( it refuses to make an .zip so..
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09:58.33geburai am at work, don't have a lot a time for investigate more (for now) :(
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09:59.10lilltigerwell my guess is that ark is and have been abondoned for quite some time
09:59.25lilltigernothing else in kde works that bad
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09:59.37geburai didn't know
09:59.57geburayou haven't tested kopete :)
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10:35.28GwaiLoHi All, I'm not quite sure what to google for this question so hopefully someone can help me figure out what to pursue. I've installed kubuntu and recently installed kde4. When I choose it from KDM, it starts up and I receive the tip of the day but then it apparently hangs. I can close the tip of the day window but the desktop never loads and I just have the blue background screen sitting there with no overlay of any kind (nor can I bring up a context me
10:35.28GwaiLonu etc.)
10:35.56GwaiLothe kicker though, is that if I run Xephyr inside my kde3.5 session, and run startkde from the kde4 directory... it loads kde4 perfectly inside there.
10:36.14yllarfor me it hangs for about 15-20 secunds and then becomes usable
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10:36.36GwaiLohmm, I let it sit there while I had a shower yesterday and it still didn't come good
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10:41.14GwaiLoCould someone suggest what log file I could be looking through for a clue after attempting the load?
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10:59.06user-landHi, i keep getting this error in Konqueror KDE3 OpenSuse 10.3:
10:59.09user-land"Could not find mime type application/octet-stream"
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11:39.39mattlhey kde fans!
11:41.25mattli've done something silly.. somehow, all my Qt applications are coming up with very dark colours for the stripes. http://mattl.co.uk/stuff/kde.png
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11:47.12GNU\colossusmattl: awesome, how can I have that? ;D
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11:47.33mattlGNU\colossus: blah.
11:47.41GNU\colossusscnr :/
11:47.51Brimlyits 6:00 am
11:50.50Brimly?
11:50.55Brimlyanyone awake
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11:54.16mattli am.
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11:59.34BASEmanknetworkmanager hangs at "configuring device" when trying to switch to a wireless, how do I fix this or get more info?
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12:06.14Richlvanybody here with 3.5.8 who could test a possible problem with kpdf ?
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12:08.03GNU\colossus<- @ Richlv
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12:09.32RichlvGNU\colossus, could you open pdf at http://www.zabbix.com/downloads/ZABBIX%20Manual%20v1.4.pdf and look at page 89 ?
12:09.37Richlvis the table heading ok for you ?
12:09.43Richlvnote, pdf is quite large
12:09.47Richlv2.something mb
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12:10.05Richlvthat might as well be a problem with the pdf, though - i'm not completely sure :)
12:10.10amas3hello, is it possible somehow to uninstall stuff (modules) I installed with kdesvnbuild ?
12:10.22GNU\colossusthe table headers are broken, Richlv
12:10.31amas3actually i want to uninstall kdewebdev and kdevelop
12:10.37GNU\colossuskerning is too small (negative, possibly)
12:11.13Richlvkghostview displays it the same
12:11.19Richlvso maybe the pdf is actually broken
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12:13.42WhitmanRichlv, I've just opened it in Adobe Reader 7 on a Windows box, the table header is broken
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12:15.15RichlvGNU\colossus, Whitman, thanks
12:15.20GNU\colossusyw
12:15.24Whitmannp
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12:34.02lilltigerhmm is there no mouse focus in KDE 4 yet?
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12:34.18Jucatomouse focus?
12:35.11lilltigeryes, that the windows the mouse is over gets focus
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12:35.57JucatoFocus Under Mouse?
12:36.11JucatoSystem Settings -> Window Behavior?
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12:36.36amas3does the make uninstall need install manifest ? i've cleaned the build after compiling and installing, how can i uninstall program now (kdevelop and kdewebdev) ? is it worth to look through all files deleting them ?
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12:42.46Seraphimlilltiger - Have you built KDE4?
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12:59.34whirmhi all!
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13:20.00itomhi all, you know the software for stats that is on the top of this screenshot? http://www.xfce-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/54925-1.jpg
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13:21.36MasseRitom: A bit wrong place to ask? This is kde channel :)
13:22.04MasseRIs there btw any way to assign shortkeys to programs yet?
13:22.23JucatoMasseR: which programs?
13:22.27itomMasseR: oh sorry, I think that this screenshot is kde
13:22.29Jucatoand what do you mean exactly?
13:22.42Jucatoitom: hint: it';s from "xfce"-look.org
13:22.48MasseRJucato: For example to start urxvt
13:22.50MasseROr firefox
13:22.53MasseROr *
13:23.00JucatoMasseR: KDE 3.5 or KDE 4?
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13:23.40JucatoKDE 3.5 is easy. if it's in the K Menu, right-click on it -> Edit this item, set a shortcut (near the bottom of the window)
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13:24.26Jucatoif it's not in the K Menu, you can either put it in the K Menu (right-click on the K Menu icon -> Menu Editor) or use KControl -> Regional & Accessibility -> Input Actions to define your own
13:26.01MasseRJucato: 4.0
13:26.14Jucatothat I'm not sure :)
13:26.19MasseROkay :)
13:26.23Jucatoif Input Actions exist, then most probalby yes
13:26.26Jucatoprobably*
13:26.26MasseRGrah I need the expose function :)
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14:06.18lilltigerJucato: thanks, hmm must have been blind :) Do you what the difference between "Focus Follows Mouse" and "Focus under mouse"?
14:06.37lilltigerSeraphim: no not myself, i use kdemod4 (archlinux)
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14:19.49lilltigerHmm, only thing i actually miss in kde4 vs kde3.5+compiz-fusion is Opacify
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14:22.00Sho_lilltiger: Hm, wouldn't be too hard to write me thinks ... perhaps give Rivo a ping about it
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14:23.44lilltigerSho_: but hard for me to know how popular it is, just because i want it dosent realy justify me to bother people that probly have alot more important things to do :)
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14:24.45lilltigeri just started using Opacify like 3 days ago, but totaly fell in love with it
14:25.03Sho_lilltiger: Well, I just read about it and it sounds useful to me - one of the better what-to-use-compositing-for ideas ;)
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14:29.20lilltigerSho_: yhee with focus follow mouse i great
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14:30.53x1bncwnhow do i change the kickoff start button, or more importantly wth is a .mng and how do i create one
14:31.35x1bncwni have an image a .png image id like to use for start button, but it doesnt work when i add it to ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker/pics/
14:31.46welphey, i'm getting major slowdowns in kmail when adding accounts... it seems to be doing *something* with all the messages (fetching them, perhaps? but i'm using imap, so that doesn't sound right...)  http://dev.gentooexperimental.org/~welp/snapshot13.png <-- that's what it's looking like atm...
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14:33.13draglor|awaywelp: if you use imap everry mail is fetched every time .. this is how imap works .. you can use disconnected imap in kmail if you don't want to download them all the time .. or just download the headers
14:33.14AlbanianFliyerÄàðîâ íàðîä!!
14:33.54pinotreeAlbanianFliyer: english please
14:34.25AlbanianFliyerI'm Russian. Who wnt to talk with me??
14:34.38AlbanianFliyerlol
14:34.41pinotreethis is not a meeting channel
14:36.00welpdraglor|away: huuh? i was pretty certain that POP3 was the protocol which required you to download all the messages locally... and wikipedia says that "IMAP4 offers access to the mail store; the client may store local copies of the messages, but these are considered to be a temporary cache; the server's store is authoritative."
14:36.37welpdraglor|away: and for POP3... "Although most clients have an option to leave mail on server, e-mail clients using POP3 generally connect, retrieve all messages, store them on the user's PC as new messages, delete them from the server, and then disconnect."
14:36.39x1bncwnn/m that was simple enough
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14:38.12WhitmanIs the monitor settings, is the power management done on a per user basis or is it system wide?
14:38.34draglor|awaywelp: imapo stores everything on the server ... pop3 locally .. so you have to download everything everytime from the server with imap .. disconnected imap uses a local cache .. but changes on the server require to download the messages again
14:39.00draglorwelp: yes .. pop3 downloads mail once ... imap everytime
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14:39.14welpaah, that's probably what caused the confusion.. heh.
14:39.35welpdraglor: in that case, how do i set kmail to download headers only? i can't see any options to do so in the settings
14:39.49draglorwelp: maybe ... but in kmail i'd suppose you to use disconnected imap ..
14:40.11draglorwelp: it'll store everything locallly and only download changed and new messages
14:40.36draglorwelp: im not really sure if theres an option in kmail .. but let me have a look
14:41.28welphrm... disconnected imap would require me to re-create all my accounts, wouldn't it?
14:42.49draglorwelp: well .. yes .. but thats only the mail user and pw ... should not be much work ..
14:43.15draglorwelp: it seems theres no header only option in kmail .. (or I'm too stupid to find it)
14:43.26welpdraglor: mmh, ok.. thanks anyway
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14:45.31amon_When I try to play a LastFM stream in amarok, I have to load the stream and restart amarak. Otherwise the connection won't be established. Is this a known issue?
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14:48.26dragloramon_: I can only say that I don't have this behaviour on my machine
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15:03.03Thunderbirdhi
15:03.32Thunderbirdwhen I'm filling in e.g. forms using konqueror from kde4 words get highlighted
15:03.36Thunderbirdthis seems to be quite slow
15:03.44Thunderbirdwhat is it and how to disable it?
15:03.46amon_Turn of spell checking
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15:04.09ThunderbirdI already thought it was that but I wasn't able to find a setting for it in konqueror
15:04.14Thunderbirdor is it a global setting?
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15:12.48Thunderbirddoes anyone know where the spelling setting is located on kde4?
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15:16.18WhitmanI've just put a konsole into full screen mode in kde4.  How do I get it out of full screen mode?
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15:17.12SSJ_GZWhitman: Try CTRL+SHIFT+F11
15:17.35WhitmanSSJ_GZ, that worked, thanks
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15:17.42SSJ_GZcool
15:18.04WhitmanWhat's the the command for?
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15:22.54lilltigeri hope the dude of kdemod dosent pay per MB of download
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15:23.44lilltigerwas only 2.5GB hehe :D
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15:24.59lilltigerlol i have the whole kdemod forum downloaded :D
15:25.05lilltigervery usefull :D
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15:28.06Clarionwhat?
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15:32.01x1bncwnthere should be tabs on minimized windows in the panel/taskbar so there is a clear seperator between launchers/quick launch and taskbar, i hate to say it but like windows, is there a way to facilitate this?
15:32.43x1bncwnwhen locking the panel the seperator dissappears and the panel merges together id like to stop this
15:34.34x1bncwnbasically i want the tabs for each minimized window to be visible, so it creates a clear seperation between the kmenu/launchers and the taskbar
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16:11.39amas3CMake Error: Cannot find source file "/root/kdesvn/kdewebdev/klinkstatus/src/ui/trayicon.cpp" for target "klinkstatus"
16:11.39amas3kdewebdev error (source from SVN)
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16:13.39jeroenvrpI am looking for a way to make sure the icons in the file-picker used by Gnome/GTK under KDE is using the KDE icons. With the gtk-to-qt-engine all icons are changed, but not these icons?!
16:14.04jeroenvrpnow there are brown icons, gnome/gtk default - and if I change it in the gnome or gtk theme-settings; it has no effect
16:14.19jeroenvrpI am talking about kde3.5.8 btw
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16:42.36amas3can i force kdesvn to leave "make" files so i could "make uninstall" software ?
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16:45.37Apocalypse_dngrkrc-2.0 always overwrites when kde4 starts. Where i can disable it?
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16:47.05Q-collectivemake .gtkrc readable-only? :p
16:47.36MinceRiirc it does that because applying color settings to non-KDE apps is enabled
16:47.36Apocalypse_dnQ-collective, will it work?
16:47.53Apocalypse_dnMinceR, it's disabled
16:47.58Apocalypse_dnbug)
16:48.02Apocalypse_dnmaybe
16:48.03MinceRdunno
16:48.16MinceRmaybe there's a gtk theme chooser in system settings?
16:48.26Q-collectiveApocalypse_dn: well, it is ro, kde4 can't overwrite it
16:48.27MinceR(which might or might not do that)
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16:54.00amas3any kdewebdev contributors her
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17:05.48lilltigerin kde 4.0.1 where is the optin to resize the panel?
17:05.52lilltigeroption
17:06.03pinotreethere is none
17:06.19lilltigerohh wasent it added to .1?
17:06.38lilltigernowonder i cant find it :)
17:06.51cb400f4.0.x is under feature and string freeze
17:07.02cb400fit was added to trunk (4.1)
17:08.33lilltigerahh so so the 4.0.x is just buggfixes nd wont add any features?
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17:10.08cb400fyes
17:10.49cb400fI believe there'll soon be a decision on doing a special release of plasma before 4.1.. it's really needed
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17:13.38lilltigeryhee some quite nasy bugs :(
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17:14.17pinotreecb400f: nope
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17:14.38pinotreeplasma is part of the kde modules, so it will be released with them
17:15.18hereticis anyone aware of a bug in kmail that doesn't allow you to use a shortcut key combo to mark mail as read/new/unread?
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17:16.01cb400fI believe there's discussions about making an exception.. I think it should be done.. as lacking plasma features is definitely the achilles heel of 4.0.x
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17:16.26pinotreecb400f: release something takes away time
17:16.28cb400f.. and mid july is faaaar away
17:16.37pinotreenope, it's not
17:17.45lilltigerpinotree: Do you know if a Opacify (found in compiz-fusion) is planed (makes applications seethrought if an application behind it gets focus but isent raised)?
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17:18.04cb400fit'll seem far when every mandriva, fedora, kubuntu and opensuse user starts whining about 4.0 plasma :-)
17:18.27cb400f(since all of them release 4.0 during q2)
17:18.32pinotreethey can whine whatevr they want
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17:18.56pinotreewhere are you been reading about this "exception" for plasma? i'm just curious
17:19.28cb400faaron s said something about "intermittant plasma release" on his blog a few weeks back
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17:19.46cb400fand I heard someone say there'd be a meeting about february 9th
17:20.40DaSkreechHow can I ask Konqui to reget audiocd:/ info ?
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17:22.57DaSkreechdo i have to logout?
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17:24.15cb400fDaSkreech: reloading or restarting konq doesn't do it?
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17:24.48cb400fpinotree:
17:24.48cb400f<cb400f> any official decision about intermittant plasma before 4.1?
17:24.48cb400f<dirk> cb400f: there is a plasma meeting next weekend (iirc) about that topc
17:24.48cb400f<Beineri> 9th
17:24.54DaSkreechcb400f: Doesn't seem to. My network cable was unplugged when I put the CD in now it doesn't seem to want to retrieve the info
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17:27.28DaSkreechhi blessedbeef
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17:42.53DaSkreechThere is no way to invoke Information gathering from audiocd:/ ?
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17:45.19cbrwill there be a knetworkmanager for kde4?
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17:48.29DaSkreechcbr: as I understand it it will be part of Solid
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17:51.56cbrDaSkreech: uhm.. when?
17:52.17DaSkreech4.1
17:52.31cbr:(
17:52.40cbrany more information about that somewhere?
17:53.18DaSkreechCheck the goals page for 4.1 on techbase I think
17:53.29DaSkreechI can't actually recall now where I saw it
17:53.41DaSkreechI know it's a painful point though so it will get fixed
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17:57.20cbrtechbase makes no mention of it
17:59.18DaSkreechtroy__: Ping
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18:00.52troy__DaSkreech: pong, but only for a second
18:01.27DaSkreechSolidwill provide wifi gui in 4.1 ?
18:01.41troyDaSkreech: no idea :) ask ervin if he's online :)
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18:01.57DaSkreechgreat. Can I get audiocd:/ to refresh the Cd info?
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18:02.15troysolid itself isn't meant for gui stuff though - it'd provide the api that the gui would need to access, that's all
18:02.28troythe gui would exist outside of solid - say as a plasmoid
18:03.06DaSkreechok
18:03.22DaSkreechcbr: there you go bug ervin :)
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18:03.43DaSkreechtroy: Any way to force Konqui to refresh audiocd:/ info ?
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18:32.28pvandewyngaerdei just compiled and installed qt4.4 tp1,   now how can i compile kde4 with qt4.4
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18:36.40marvin__hi guys
18:36.56jazkawhat if I'm a girl?
18:37.37marvin__then i'm sorry
18:37.45DaSkreechwhat if I'm a very small shell script ?
18:38.08marvin__hi guys, girls and very small shell scripts
18:38.19aleksanteriand what if i'm an IRC bot?
18:38.22aleksanteri:P
18:38.40marvin__i see this is going to get a long list
18:38.56Prof_Frinkmarvin__: Just go with "Hi .*"
18:39.02amon_Wildcards are your friends
18:39.13amon_ah there we go :D
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18:39.59marvin__i bet when i say " hi .*" i get the same complaints from all not wildcard entities
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18:40.32aleksanteriand what if my nick doesn't start with a period?
18:40.48aleksanterias it doesn't
18:40.58jazkaheh he left already
18:40.59Prof_Frinkperlrequick even
18:41.05aleksanteridam, it's a regexp
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18:50.00Ian00how can i make my konsole or xterm colors the same as my non-X terminal colors?
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18:58.09Alien_Freakhow do I remove the task bar from KDE4?  I don't want anything kicker, clock, desktops or anything else down there...
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19:03.13gourdinho
19:03.14gourdinwow
19:03.16gourdinkde 4.0.1
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19:04.06gourdinomg
19:04.16gourdin:(
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19:07.00user-landreally ? :-)
19:07.26user-landis it ready for simple users now then ?
19:07.31gourdinno
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19:08.01gourdin2 click, 2 bugs
19:08.05gourdinso...
19:08.12gourdinbug reporting ;)
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19:13.31_brunociao tutti
19:13.33user-landthanks gourdin :-)
19:13.45user-landciao
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19:14.46tininWhere is kde 4.0.1? Should we wait much more to have a functional taskbar?
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19:15.14tininI mean, when is it going to be released
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19:15.54cheko3.5.8 has a functional taskbar ;)
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19:16.29alsurenIan00: konsole has settings -> schema if that helps
19:16.38tininwell, but it doesn't behave well with compiz cheko
19:16.38cheko06 February 2008: Releasing 4.0.1
19:16.59tininand kde4 works well with compiz or kwin effects
19:17.01gourdintinin: cheko  there is 4.0.1 packages on kubuntu
19:17.15tinineeeeeeeeeeeerrr
19:17.21tininwhere?????????
19:17.24gourdinlet's hope they aren't the final 4.0.1
19:17.28chekodebian experimental has 4.0.1 packages too
19:17.38gourdin:(
19:17.42gourdinso this is the .0.1
19:17.57jazka4.1 trunk <3
19:18.05gourdinjazka: ?
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19:18.56tininwow, 4.0.1 must have landed a few minutes ago, I didn't notice
19:18.59jazka?
19:19.01tininI'm going to try
19:19.40tininand does anyone use kdm-kde4 in kubuntu?
19:19.55tininId' like to know if it is working
19:20.21jazkagourdin: I mean I'm using the svn version
19:20.44gourdinjazka: ok
19:21.11gourdinback to 3 :)
19:21.14jazkawith moveable and resizable panel
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19:22.11alsurendo you think he realises that <3 means "love", not "is worse than 3"
19:22.22tininIs there any kde4 svn repo avaliable for any distro?
19:22.27jazkagentoo
19:22.30jazkasvn ebuilds
19:23.00tininwell, maybe i won't be able to run gentoo
19:23.11jazkawhy not?
19:23.33tininI have only used debian like all the time
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19:24.34tininsabanyon linux is based on gentoo, would it work if I add those gentoo repos to it? jazka
19:25.24jazkatinin: I don't know
19:25.46user-landDoes one of you know how i could get rid of this error in KDE3 OpenSuse 10.3 ? "Could not find mime type application/octet-stream"
19:25.50jazkaask on sabanyon's channel
19:26.00alsurentinin: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories#KDE_4
19:26.23tininThanx, it's just that I'd like to try the improvements as they go,
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19:27.51tininuser-land I had it, when I changed something like a .flv file to open with a videoplayer, I just reverted the changes
19:28.03alsurentinin if you want to keep up to date without polluting the rest of your system, http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 lets you build and install KDE from SVN for just 1 user
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19:28.24user-landme too, that's how i got it, tinin.
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19:28.53user-landbut i can't get rid of it so far ... trying since a month.
19:29.27ikaruga2099hi guys .... just installed kde4 on opensuse... but kded is taking up 100% of the cpu...is that normal?
19:29.27tininalsuren too much work, I'm just a user ;)
19:29.44tininikaruga2099 of course
19:29.53tininlol
19:30.50ikaruga2099anyway is kded using up 100% of the cpu like System Idle Process on windows?
19:31.18jazkait's not normal
19:31.20tininit shouln't
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19:32.04ikaruga2099otherwise ... it's running fast
19:32.30user-landtinin can you please tell me what you have for flv now ?
19:32.46tininI'll see
19:32.48jazkaikaruga2099: maybe you should ask on suse's channel, if someone has the same problem
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19:34.28tininuser-land I think if you tell it to sho the flv videos as embeded, it won't show the error
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19:34.33freakyyhi all. can someone tell me where that bounce feedback setting for the cursor is?
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19:35.24tininanyway, It won't play your flv videos if you click them now user-land
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19:35.47tininuser-land tell me if you get something better
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19:36.12EnsGabeHeyo all- I've got a five button mouse and am wondering how to get konqeuror (3.5.8) to recognize the side buttons as forwards/backwards.  I've got my mouse configured correctly to generate different mouse events (xev reports them as buttons 6 and 7).  Has anyone tread this ground before?
19:36.47tininI'm going to try 4.0.1
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19:37.30EnsGabeAlternatively, mapping those buttons to XF86Forward/XF86Back in xorg would work, but I'd rather not give the buttons that semantic meaning across all applications
19:37.39user-landflv is set on embedded now, txt too, still the same ...
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19:41.18tininok, so what's new in 4.0.1?
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19:41.48tininthe taskbar panel still sucks, it is not configurable :(
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19:43.31szierThis is probably a dumb question, but how does one print the URL at the top of the page from konqueror?
19:43.31alsurentinin: 4.0.* releases are only supposed to be bugfix releases
19:43.45szieri cant find it in the print settings or the configure menu anywhere
19:43.52tininalsuren thetaskbar panel itself is a bug
19:44.07tininadoption stopper bug
19:44.08freakyyhi all. can someone help me? i can't find the launch feedback setting. can you tell me, where it is?
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19:46.04alsurentinin: I think the answer is "be patient"
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19:47.20szierim trying this in kde 3.5
19:47.38tininI know sorry alsuren
19:47.58tininat least yakuake supports transparency now
19:48.08alsurentinin there are many other things that have not reached feature parity yet in kde4.0. Hopefully you will be more impressed by 4.1 :D
19:49.32alsurenfreakyy: settings:/LookNFeel/
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19:49.43freakyythank you
19:50.02user-landtinin, flv is set on embedded now, txt too, still the same ...
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19:51.05alsurenuser-land: one thing to try is to try it with a new user
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19:51.21tininuser-land maybe you need to logout of kde
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19:51.43user-landthanks tinin.
19:51.47szieri want to print the url at the top of the printout in konqueror 3.5 on gentoo
19:51.52szieris there any way to do this?
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19:52.49alsurenszier: I'm afraid I don't print things very often
19:53.13alsurencan you do it in firefox for now?
19:53.25szieryeaah. me either. its for work
19:53.33szieri would.. but im running ff3
19:53.46szierand the print dialog isn't complete
19:53.54sziertheres no option to print a header anymore
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19:54.00szierthats what i get, i guess
19:54.30alsurenwell in advanced under print (HTML settings) there is a print header
19:54.41alsurenif that helps
19:54.46szieroh. wait.. i think i found it
19:54.53alsurenit's on by default for me
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19:55.30szieryeah.. i saw that.. tried it but nothing came out
19:55.45szieralsuren, youre still talking about konq, right?
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19:56.26sziermaybe my margins are wrong and its printing off of the page
19:56.41alsurenszier: yeah. Note that I've not tried it
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19:58.13alsurenszier: do you have the entry: location- print... options  tab=html settings - print header
19:58.46user-landa new user does not have this problem, alsuren.
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20:00.51alsurenuser-land: try renaming the folder ~/.kde/share/mimelnk temporarily, and then copying the one across from the new user (if it exists) to replace it
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20:02.34alsuren(remembering to change the ownership :D)
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20:04.47szieralsuren. yes, that is checked by default. ill try playing with the margins to see if that fixes it.
20:05.12tinin"The KDE Community today announced the immediate availability of KDE 4.0.1, the first bugfix and maintenance release for the latest generation of the most advanced and powerful free desktop. "
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20:05.27tininthat means gnome sucks? XD
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20:06.09user-landjust renaming that folder solved the problem now, alsuren, thank you :-)
20:06.20alsurentinin: "advanced" and "powerful" do not mean "better"
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20:06.28user-landprobably thanks to the prior instructions by tinin
20:07.01lilltigertake a look at gir in invader zim :) "He's advanced"
20:07.03lilltiger:D
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20:08.01lilltigerhmm looks like konqi in KDE 4 still dosent honor the option to hide the menu bar
20:08.07fedora_hola
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20:09.15tininuser-land sorry user-land, I had just remembered what to do in your case, you just needed to erase a file called octect-stream in the mimeinks kde folder I think XD late
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20:10.14user-landgreat, tinin, this time i struggled with this problem for over a month, getting no reply on the opensuse mailinglist or here earlier :-)
20:11.15user-landthis is one of the most persistent and frequent bugs of KDE3
20:11.50tininyeah I don't know why
20:12.02tininIs there a bug filled for it?
20:12.16user-landno idea :-)
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20:12.33tininI don't care, I'll use kde4
20:12.40user-landok :-)
20:12.57user-landis there a way to end the session of the other user now ?
20:13.07tinindolphin seems very promiding
20:13.26tininuser-land: : reboot
20:13.30tinineasier
20:13.35user-landbut dolphin placed a text file in every directory it visited, tinin ...
20:13.40alsurenuser-land the best way to debug these kinds of problems is "does it work with a fresh user"
20:14.00tininuser-land I dinn't know that
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20:14.05user-landright, alsuren.
20:14.15alsurenthen "rename the appropriate part of .kde, and copy across"
20:14.29user-landtinin, let it show you invisible files
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20:15.01user-landalsuren, the key was knowing the appropriate part of .kde, which you did :-)
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20:15.03tininuser-land i think you're wrong
20:15.26tininat least it doesn't so in kubuntu
20:15.31lilltigerwhere do i report bugs for kde 4?
20:15.39lilltigerbugs.kde.org?
20:15.40alsurenuser-land: no I didn't: I just used find .kde | grep mime
20:15.45tininlilltiger sure
20:15.47user-landyou get no .directory files, tinin ?
20:15.48lilltigeror is that just for 3.5.x
20:15.54tininuser-land no
20:15.59user-landwow, alsuren, great :-)
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20:17.46DaSkreechlilltiger: b.k.o is fine
20:18.14lilltigerthought it's horrible slow at the moment
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20:19.14user-landtinin, do you tell it to remember view per directory ?
20:19.17DaSkreechlilltiger: COuld be a bug :-\ You should report it :)
20:19.35tininuser-land no, maybe that it
20:19.41tininit is
20:19.45user-landyes.
20:19.58user-landmessy ...
20:20.56tininI'm not sure what to do, to use dolphin in kde3 or to use the kde3 taskbar in kde4...
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20:21.22tinincould the kde3 taskbar be used in kde4...
20:21.24tinin?
20:21.34tininkicker
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20:22.33SSJ_GZtinin: I think so, yes.
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20:23.31tininSSJ_GZ do I need to do anything weird? kde4 has few configuration options...
20:23.53tinindo I need to edit a text file somewhere?
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20:24.10SSJ_GZtinin: Yeah, you'll have to quit plasma and hack the panel out of the config file.  Then re-run plasma, and run kicker.
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20:25.23tininI wonder why kde people did not add the funtionalities already done in svn to the plasma taskbar
20:26.13SSJ_GZtinin: They weren't done at the time of release.
20:26.23tininno
20:26.29tininI think they were
20:27.44tininlook SSJ_GZ, at least this is old http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/while-cats-away.html
20:28.09SSJ_GZtinin: It post-dates the release of 4.0
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20:28.56tininSSJ_GZ yah, but not 4.0.1
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20:29.10tininIt would have been nice
20:29.24grzesiekhi
20:29.26SSJ_GZtinin: Ah, I see.  That feature introduced new strings, and so would break string freeze.
20:29.52tinindo you mean internationalization?
20:30.10SSJ_GZtinin: Plus, branches/4.0 is supposed to be feature-frozen.  There are rumours that some kind of extra configurability will be added to a 4.0.x release, though :)
20:30.13SSJ_GZtinin: yep
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20:30.51tininI wouldn't care to see a message in english
20:30.58tininanother
20:31.26tininI use it in spanish and kde still has a lot to be translated
20:31.26aseigotinin: combination of a few things, really.
20:31.36tininhaha
20:31.51tininthanx aseigo for your presence
20:32.29aseigotinin: i'd like to look at a "super merge" maybe at the end of this month or next... i'm wary of doing too many merges of this magnitude though
20:32.39aseigotinin: it's annoying for everyone (translators, release team, me ;)
20:32.49aseigotinin: july isn't that far off either, tbh
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20:34.32tininaseigo we are impatient, its just that we could use kde4 much better with a functional taskbar, even if there are other important bugs
20:35.03Alethesaseigo: I think you should spend more time on the things that bother me personally
20:35.05Alethes:D
20:35.11Alethessince I pay you so much
20:35.11Aletheshaha
20:35.18dan007Hi to all!
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20:35.23Alethesbtw, hey dude
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20:35.54dan007I need a little help with servicemenus in konqueror (kde 3.5.8)
20:35.55nixternalSho_: Yakuake + KDE 4.0.1 == The Win! Excellent job!
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20:36.24aseigoAlethes: hehe. i'll be right over to cut your grass.
20:36.33Aletheshaha
20:36.58Alethesyou picked a great time of year to make yourself so useful :P
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20:37.30Sho_nixternal: cool
20:37.35tininwell, bye all, I feel like talking with bill gates today
20:37.43dan007My problem is: I see my servicemenus only on the desktop not in konqueror
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20:38.27dan007but I have copied my servicemenus both in my home and sytem wide..
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20:40.24PhilRoddan007: can you give an example of one of the servicemenus you've installed?
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20:41.05dan007I made a servicemenus to resize my picture
20:41.30lilltigerWhen reporting a bug for konqueror in kde 4, and a find the same bug, but marked as resolved in kde 3. Do I make a new bugreport for it, or do i comment on the kde 3.x one? (later sounds a bit strange due to the big difference in the code for em)
20:41.34dan007I see it and work great with my picture on the desktop, but I did'nt see it in konqueror
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20:42.29dan007In dolphin i can see it and work too
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20:43.35dan007I read the guide for servicemenus on kde dev.
20:43.52PhilRoddan007: have you restarted kde since you installed the servicemenu? (Perhaps you've got a preloaded konq lying around that hasn't picked up the changes?)
20:43.58PhilRodalthough that's a bit of a longshot
20:44.05dan007yes, restarted  few time
20:44.13PhilRodok
20:44.57dan007the only place I don't see it is in konqueror
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20:46.03PhilRoddo you have any other servicemenus? do they work in konq? (as you can probably tell, I don't really have any ideas, just random guessing :-/)
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20:46.10skounishi, can i make kicker use large icons?
20:46.57in0deanyone used both k9copy and k3b for ripping DVDs and if so which would you say in your opinion is best
20:47.34DaSkreechyakuake is ported ?
20:48.36dan007yes some servicesmenue don't appear in konqueror but appear on the desktop
20:48.52dan007servicemenus taht came with kdeaddons
20:49.00lilltigeri feel a bit responnsible for the greatness of yakuake :D
20:49.25dan007but some appears too in konqueror like Set as wallpapers
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20:49.49lilltigerfixed a majpr bug in kuake an very soon there after alot of new inoative version of kuake appeared
20:49.59lilltigermajor..
20:50.33Sho_DaSkreech: Sure, for quite some time
20:51.05DaSkreechSho_: No Konversation yet?
20:51.11Sho_DaSkreech: nope
20:51.20DaSkreech4.1 timeline or 4.0.2 ?
20:51.48Sho_DaSkreech: "When it's done"
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20:52.07skounishi, can i make kicker use large icons?
20:52.31DaSkreechSho_:  OK
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20:53.02Sho_DaSkreech: Your distro has a "yakuake-kde4" package
20:53.35DaSkreechSho_: Haven't looked yet I'm getting ready to foramt and install KDE4
20:53.58lilltigerSho_: are you the maintainer of the current yakuake? :)
20:54.41dan007thanks for your help PhilRod ;)
20:54.44texnofobixso in .1 we can resize the panel?
20:54.52texnofobixits too big for my tastes as it stands now
20:54.54DaSkreechI might miss Konversation. I'm sure going to miss basKet though
20:54.55Sho_lilltiger: Yes, as well as the author of the majority of the code in the KDE 3 version and all of the code of the KDE 4 version
20:55.00PhilRodskounis: just change the size of the panel - the icons will change with it
20:55.27joseDaSkreech: you may use both konversation and basket in kde4 (I do use them)
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20:55.39texnofobixhrmm
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20:55.42texnofobixbasket, whats that?
20:55.43DaSkreechjose: I'm doing a pure KDE4
20:55.46lilltigerSho_: nice, great app been using it for several years now
20:55.49PhilRoddan007: hrm, I'm pretty much out of ideas, sorry
20:55.59joseDaSkreech: ah ok
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20:56.37dan007no probleme ;)
20:56.48lilltigerSho_: are you a gentooian? :)
20:56.50skounisi want them really big and they don't change along after "large"
20:56.56dan007thanks
20:56.58Sho_lilltiger: yep, for the last 5 1/2 years
20:57.11Sho_DaSkreech: You can use Konversation and Basket in KDE 4, too
20:57.25texnofobixI've never heard of a "gentooian" before
20:57.37DaSkreechSho_: I'm doing pure KDE4
20:57.43lilltigerSho_: nice, did you use the org kauke?
20:57.44DaSkreechno KDE3 libs
20:58.00DaSkreechMooo
20:58.01Sho_lilltiger: nope, Yakuake was my first drop-down terminal emulator
20:58.12Sho_(aside of Quake :-)
20:58.34Sho_DaSkreech: Hm, I have a feeling you're going to reconsider that ;)
20:58.38lilltigerSho_: ahh ok, im a bit curius on how the yakuake project started :)
20:58.56lilltigerbut guess you wasent the starter of it then :)
20:59.16DaSkreechSho_: Why?
20:59.35PhilRoddan007: could you send me one of the servicemenus that isn't working in konq? I can take a look and see if it works here
20:59.41PhilRodphil@kde.org
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21:00.15Sho_lilltiger: I actually can't really tell you. It was originally started by Francois Chazal, who later abandoned it for lack of time. Since I enjoyed using it and wanted to enhance/fix a number of things (which was difficult because Francois was hard to contact), I took over with his blessing and imported it into KDE Extragear, fixed the build system, made it localizable, and, well, developed it for the last 2+ years
21:00.18malutaHow can I set my "kicker" in kde 4, I added the "Application Launcher" and "System Tray" widgets, but they are disposed as icons, not in the bottom bar. I've searche systemsetting but didn't found.
21:00.48Sho_I did contribute some patches to it before taking over, but I wasn't there in the "first hour"
21:01.00skounissomeone, plz?
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21:01.21dan007Yes PhilRod..I send it were ?
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21:02.39Sho_DaSkreech: Personally, the panels and desktop aren't really there for me yet, and given that I'm not really willing to go "pure" and give up certain 3 apps - and thus I'm currently running a KDE 3 desktop and selected KDE 4 apps rather than the other way around
21:02.50PhilRoddan007: phil
21:02.52DaSkreechWHich 3 apps ?
21:02.54PhilRodd'oh
21:02.58PhilRoddan007: phil@kde.org
21:03.03dan007dac ;)
21:03.05dan0071min
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21:03.44DaSkreechskounis: Yes?
21:04.11Sho_DaSkreech: Amarok, kdepim (e.g. Akregator), Konversation, KRename, Kopete, K3b, KCacheGrind, ..
21:04.13dan007Hold on..I think I've found the trouble
21:04.40dan007miss a ";" at the end of Actions line
21:04.50dan007working now....Sorry ;)
21:04.52dan007lol
21:04.58PhilRodah, cool :-)
21:05.00DaSkreechAkregator doesn't work in KDE4 ?
21:05.17dan007and now, myu other work too.....feww
21:05.19Sho_DaSkreech: Some of those are partially ported, but not to a degree where they can really be relied upon yet
21:05.22dan007loll
21:05.22lilltigerSho_: ahh, well why im curius is cause i might have been the father of it :) Back in the old days like 5-6years ago i came a cross i nice app called kauke. Thought it had one flaw, the dropdown was very buggy/dident work at all.. I tried to contect the author, but no answere, so a made an bugfix and submitted it to the auhor.. but still no fix emerged.. so i spoke with a maintainer of gentoo and he agreed to add the patch to the gentoo repo (althought this
21:05.22lilltigerisent the normal way to patch major bugs).
21:05.23Sho_That said, YMMV :)
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21:05.33dan007thanks Phil..Your help is very appreciated ;)
21:05.44DaSkreechSho_: Of those Kopete I think I can't do without though I have been playing with centerim
21:05.56PhilRoddan007: no problem. Glad you found the solution :-)
21:06.09lilltigerSho_: and in just a few weeks/months alot of new "kaukes" started to appear :)
21:06.19dan007yep ;)
21:06.29DaSkreechSho_: So far basket is more sorest loss
21:07.02Sho_lilltiger: Well, Yakuake is not a derivative of the Kuake codebase, that much I can say
21:07.25Sho_lilltiger: But I presume Francois as inspired by it, hence the ame
21:07.30Sho_*was
21:07.37joseDaSkreech: if you use basket for mind maps, you may like Vym, its already been ported to qt4
21:07.51DaSkreechVym Eh?
21:07.52lilltigerSho_: yhee not much to get inspired by when it wasent working at all :D
21:08.09skounisDaSkreech: can i make kicker use very large icons?
21:08.21DaSkreechskounis: Where?
21:08.27Sho_DaSkreech: BasKet is cool, but the UI is a bit too fiddly for me and overall it doesn't really support my workflows - I have some ideas for my own note-taker, but not the time :)
21:08.32joseDaSkreech: http://www.insilmaril.de/vym/
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21:08.54DaSkreechSho_: *coughcough* #basket-devel *cough*
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21:09.40lilltigerSho_: but he might have started it before my fix, hard to know for me :)
21:09.52Sho_DaSkreech: We'll see - as you know I have to take care of Konvi first, which wouldn't be helped by taking on more stuff :-)
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21:10.32DaSkreechSho_: Speaking very selfishly :) I can use irssi I guess I'll look at vym but basket :'(
21:10.32Sho_lilltiger: I'm not really sure of the timeline either
21:10.56DaSkreechSho_: at the shortest end of the stick you can share your ideas with them they may be able to include it
21:11.21DaSkreechjose: You have a review of it?
21:11.21Sho_DaSkreech: yeah, I guess. I know the maintainership situation was in limbo a while ago; do they have a new team together now?
21:11.45DaSkreechSho_: Yes they are very silent though. They have a small mailing list and that chan but they have very strange hours
21:12.17lilltigerSho_: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79794 was later then i thought.. 2005 :)
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21:13.41joseDaSkreech: no, I dont
21:13.49DaSkreechnever used it?
21:14.01nuyaohey there, ive got a little problem: i just wanted to scan a document with Kooka, but i just can chose image file formats. How can i add scan to pdf?
21:15.22skounisDaSkreech: for application launcher
21:15.40joseDaSkreech: yes, I have. I guess it dependes on what you want to achieve with basket. if it is mind-maps, then vym may be the tool for you
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21:16.58DaSkreechskounis: Good question I've never tried
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21:17.20DaSkreechjose: Kinda mindmapping Sort of like really disorganized connected notes
21:17.31DaSkreechjose: Thanks I'll play with it
21:18.27fengshaunhow can I disable KGet in KDE 4?
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21:20.49confusimi tried searching for the "show desktop"-button, but i failed
21:21.01confusimdo i need some specific applet for it?
21:21.38thiago_homekde 4, right?
21:21.51joseconfusim: it is available as a widget, just go to top right
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21:22.24DoctorPepperIs there any kde-based software for drawing circuits  ?
21:22.39jaredpanybody there?
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21:23.12pinotreeDoctorPepper: ksimus
21:23.18jaredpwho are you?
21:23.20DaSkreechhi
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21:24.53confusimok, jose..can you tell me which one there? :)
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21:25.33joseconfusim: I am in kde3 right now, but I guess its 'Show Desktop' or something similar. Use the filter with the keyword 'desktop'
21:25.35DoctorPepperpinotree:  thanks
21:26.09confusimk.. well, i am in kde4 and search turns up with nothing
21:26.15confusimbetter look deeper
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21:26.52_Vic_hi everyone
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21:28.38joseconfusim: it may depend on your distribution, I am in opensuse and it is available
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21:33.45gourdinusing konqueror 4.0.1
21:34.06gourdinclicking on a link, konqueror display a dialog asking me how to open the link
21:34.12gourdinI choose konqueror
21:34.26gourdinthen, it'll open a new window for every link click
21:34.40gourdinany workaround ?
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21:36.00lilltigergourdin: konqi -> settings -> config konqi -> open as tab in existing..
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21:37.58gourdinlilltiger: a screenshot will do it
21:40.37gourdinlilltiger: http://www.lanterne.org/konqueror_4_0_1_link_bug.jpg
21:40.44gourdinI just click on a link
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21:41.36lilltigergourdin: ohh so it does that for links pressed inside konqueror?
21:42.52gourdinidem: yep
21:42.55gourdinlilltiger: yep
21:43.26idemdamn i too close from l, eh ?
21:43.33gourdin=)
21:43.35gourdinidem: sorry
21:43.39idemnp :)
21:43.51lilltigergourdin: hmm then i have no idea :(
21:44.01gourdinok, I've done my "bug reporting job" for today
21:44.11gourdin'night ppl
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21:51.44MirrakorI've a question: How can I install the SVN version of ktorrent? (I already checked out http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/network/ktorrent/ )
21:52.04olle_:s
21:52.28DaSkreechMirrakor: compile?
21:52.44Mirrakoryes, but how? I see it uses cmake
21:54.51olle_Mirrakor apt-get install svn, and do a "checkout" on kde's server
21:55.10olle_then ./configure and make should be enough
21:55.12Mirrakoryes - but can I only install one program?
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21:55.28olle_it should be possible
21:55.47olle_by entering the program's directory and run make and make install
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21:56.12olle_but you need to prepare and configure the whole package as usual
21:56.21Mirrakor(it uses cmake)
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21:57.48marccollinhi
21:57.51olle_is there any reason not to run the ordinary gnu make?
21:57.53marccollinis there a irc for ktouch?
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21:58.26olle_morcollin: i guess that's here
21:59.04marccollinok, so i search information to create ktouch keyboard layout (dead key)
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22:01.45pinotreemarccollin: #kde-edu
22:01.51marccollinok thanks
22:02.25MirrakorI get this error, when I try to cmake: http://de.pastebin.ca/893110
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22:04.31smileafMirrakor: make sure you have kdelibs 4 installed?
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22:05.48malutaI deleted the KDE menu launcher, how can I restore it in the plasma bar?
22:06.17cbrmaluta: add a new plasmoid
22:06.26cbrand then drag it from the window to the bar
22:06.34cbrthere's a menu plasmoid
22:07.22malutacbr, plasmoid is a desktop widget?
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22:08.32Mirrakorsmileaf: they're installed
22:09.40cbrmaluta: yes
22:09.54smileafMirrakor: check if that file exists? if so where?
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22:15.17Mirrakorfound it - the package I need was libkde4-devel :)
22:15.28malutacbr, I know this is strange: I "Add Widget", for example: Application Launcher. When I try to drag it to the bar I just moved it to the bottom of the desktop
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22:16.46josex1bncwn: gimp?
22:16.58x1bncwni cant figure gimp out
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22:17.58x1bncwni have 3 images of the button in different states (pressed,normal,hover) id like the hover image to flash on hover and the pressed image shows when pressed
22:18.01x1bncwni cant get this done
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22:20.01cbrmaluta: as i said.. drag it from the window
22:20.03cbrdont add it
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22:22.56in0decan anyone here recommend a good DVD ripper?
22:23.29malutacbr, it works, sorry for my misunderstanding, thanks
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22:26.53olle_http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118961#c17
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22:27.19olle_developers, i ask you for opinions on how to solve that bug
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22:29.36SSJ_GZolle_: #kde-devel
22:30.08JucatoSSJ_GZ: actually let's try to reproduce his bug first :)
22:30.16SSJ_GZ:)
22:30.26lenscapemost of the KDE books for sale on Amazon are nearly 10 years old. There isn't much later than 1999 and I found nothing later then KDE 2
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22:30.44Jucatoit seems to be an old bug... and I can't reproduce it... yet...
22:30.52Jucatolenscape: yep. there isn't
22:31.09kniolet:-/ there really needs to be a KDE4 book i think
22:31.42Jucatocare to write one? :)
22:31.46knioletmaybe for 4.1
22:31.46knioletlol
22:31.48kniolethmmmm
22:31.59knioleti dunno, maybe its not a bad idea
22:32.10Jucatoolle_: I can't seem to reproduce your bug in KDE 3.5.8. do you have any specific steps?
22:32.16lenscapeI might ring a few publishers tomorrow. I could write one
22:32.23Jucatokniolet: it's not. the only problem really is who's going to write it :)
22:32.32Jucato(and what would be in it)
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22:33.03Jucatomost of those KDE books are "how to develop in KDE" books...
22:33.03knioletwell i think kde4 will attact a certain number of new-to-linux people
22:33.27Jucatothat'd be a different kind of book then :)
22:33.30lenscapewe need low-level users books
22:33.36knioletso a "this is how to use kontact to manage your email" and "this is how to use kopete to im" kind of book may be good
22:33.57Jucato(but maybe you can also help with making the KDE 4.x docs first :D)
22:34.21j-bhello *<tab>
22:34.58DaSkreechj-b: Well done :)
22:34.59knioletheh yeah maybe i will do some for kontact for 4.1
22:35.15knioletnot sure whats already done there, will have to check it out first
22:35.16Jucatothat'd be great :)
22:35.26Jucato#kontact is the place to be for that :)
22:36.21knioletyep, i live in that chanel too
22:36.39Jucato:D
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22:45.52olle_ok i'm back
22:45.56olle_sorry for that
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22:46.35olle_i have kde 3.5.6 on kubuntu feisty 7.04
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22:48.32knioletJucato: ok added "look into kontact documentation" to my todo list for tomorrow :-) (its much too late for all that right now)
22:48.36olle_all i do is that i start konqueror, navigate to any well used folder with lots of subfolders (such as my 3 gb home dir),
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22:49.33olle_have already enabled "folder icons reflects content" in the view menu, and while the folder icons are still loading i type anything in the filter field
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22:50.22olle_i can reproduce it on a 100% basis both with this computer and on gnewsense with 3.5.2
22:51.07Jucatohow about a much more recent version of KDE? I can't reproduce it on 3.5.8
22:52.15olle_i couldn't find any bug report about it, so i assumed it was still there
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22:54.40olle_i'm really curious about how you solved it.
22:55.16olle_it seems hard since it involves not only a plugin, but also an ABI
22:56.21olle_with c++, does an ABI break if you modify a class, such as adding a signal or slot, or is it no problem?
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22:56.38dan007Hi !
22:56.43olle_hi
22:56.51dan007;)
22:57.11dan007I need help for a small thing..
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22:58.22dan007I use Compiz and I want to not see each software in taskbar on each side of my cube ??
22:58.44PhilRoddan007: best to ask in #compiz , I think
22:58.48smileafdan007: not a KDE question, #compiz
22:58.53dan007ok good PhilRod...
22:58.57dan007tahnks ;)
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22:59.14dan007thanks
22:59.19knioletolle_: as a general rule it does break but there are some exceptions, like private implementation slots which i believe do not
23:00.01olle_:(
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23:01.11tom_hi all, is there a way i can find the ip address of a contact on kopete/msn plugin?
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23:02.09Mrrrrmsn doesnt send client IP's unless there is a direct transfer
23:02.10knioletolle_: you could always svn diff between the versions and find what changed to see if it was actually fixed in the code and if so, how
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23:03.03olle_kniolet: svn diff? diff my current build dir against what? the trunk?
23:03.08tom_Mrrrr like a file transfer?
23:03.14Mrrrreasiest way would be to send the person a file (if you're friendly), hope it uses p2p (i.e they have a happy router that doesnt force it to server)... then watch the tcp connection
23:03.19Mrrrryeah tom
23:03.38knioletolle_: maybe i understood wrong, didnt you say it was fixed in a newer version?
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23:03.58Mrrrrthere isnt an actual area to get the IP tho... so that manual way will prolly be the fastest :P
23:03.59olle_somebody else said
23:04.01tom_Mrrrr ah right, and i need to forward some ports now.... back to the kopete website, thanks for the help, wondered why i kept getting microsoft ips with iptraf :D
23:04.52knioletah well yeah just diff the version you have against the one they say works (unless i am still mising something)
23:04.58olle_tom i think there is a tool called lsof, that yuo can use with grep to find the ports and ips for a process
23:05.02MrrrrOhhh - I have nooooo idea if kopete even supports msn p2p... check that first :O
23:05.06olle_not sure if there's a better way
23:05.11MrrrrI know thats how the Miranda-IM port does it
23:05.27Mrrrrerr.. not port...  the plugin for grabbing MSN IP's
23:06.07tom_im just using iptraf to monitor the traffic, i just couldnt get any packets sent directly to him
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23:08.07tom__sorry, im back, i can monitor the traffic with iptraf, i just need some packets sent to him directly, the file transfer may work
23:09.09Mrrrryup - its your best bet
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23:09.49tom__PhilRod that ruins the fun :D
23:09.54tom__Mrrrr ok, ill have to sign off irc to calm the traffic down a bit, but ill be back! :D
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23:13.52skounishi, after i run kpersonalizer, alt+f2 doesn't work. i tried fixing it from compiz but nothing. what can i do?
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23:14.25smileafskounis: last I knew alt+f2 didn't work with compiz but I could be wrong.
23:14.38smileafto open the run dialog that is..
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23:18.43skouniswell, it did on me
23:19.07skounisjust stopped after i ran the kpersonalizer
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23:26.37LnxSlckhello all
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23:27.05LnxSlckafter install flash player.. everytime konqueror opens a site that has flash.. nspluginviewer eats 100% of my cpu
23:27.12LnxSlckanyway to solve this?
23:27.45exodushmmmm
23:27.55exodusi dunno :?
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23:29.52joseLnxSlck: kde4 or kde3?
23:30.58LnxSlckjose, kde3
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23:31.17LnxSlckjose, i have to remove that plugin from konqueror
23:31.39joseLnxSlck: probably its a problem specific to your distribution
23:31.42LnxSlckis it possible to see websites that have flash with konqueror?
23:31.52joseLnxSlck: i see them all the time
23:31.55LnxSlckjose, but i installed flash from adobe.com
23:32.08LnxSlcki don't see how that has something to do with my distro
23:33.27joseLnxSlck: I think latest flash from adobe is buggy
23:33.39joseLnxSlck: try to use a package from your distro
23:33.41LnxSlckjose, that could be it
23:34.08LnxSlckjose, flash is buggy... nvidia driver too... damn
23:34.41joseLnxSlck: at least kde is working fine ;)
23:35.06LnxSlckjose, yes.. looking forward to kde4
23:35.25LnxSlckjose, too bad gmail doesn't fully support konqueror though
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23:36.01joseLnxSlck: it does, you just need to change browser identification to IE or firefox
23:36.27LnxSlckjose, i was saying full support.. without that..
23:37.04troythat's not a huge problem though - well, the chat stuff doesn't work in konq anymore (it did a year ago)
23:37.30josetroy: I use the chat stuff through kopete (jabber account)
23:38.11troyI end up using google stuff in firefox on account of google docs... it's the only thing I ever load firefox for anymore...
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23:39.25josetroy: internet banking only works here with firefox, for everything else I use konq
23:40.15troymy bank works just fine in konq, although it has a compatibility warning on the page
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23:48.12MISNIhello
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23:48.47MISNIwhat is the name of the program to integrate image folder view
23:48.50MISNIon konqueror
23:48.51MISNI?
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23:49.14DaSkreechgwenview?
23:49.36troyDaSkreech: I think there was a slideshow icon view
23:49.43troyDaSkreech: might be in kde-addons
23:49.53MISNIkuickshow!
23:50.03DaSkreechYour icons can be a slideshow?
23:50.08DaSkreechwhy is that useful?
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23:59.29troyDaSkreech: it was a file view that was useful in folders that only contained images... XP has something similar as well
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23:59.54DaSkreechHmph
23:59.59grownlerplease, somebody knows one chanel where I can find brazilians that use KDE and translate it

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