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00:09.40 | daurn | hi all |
00:09.50 | daurn | can anyone help me with taglib?> |
00:10.06 | daurn | its hosted by kde... |
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00:24.32 | Digital_Pioneer | Hi. I'm on KDE 3.5.8, and ArchLinux (Core Dump) |
00:24.44 | Digital_Pioneer | I'd like to replace my OO.o icons, but leave the rest alone. |
00:24.47 | Digital_Pioneer | How can I do that? |
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00:25.25 | Digital_Pioneer | I like my icon set for the most part, but the OO.o icons look like something fresh out of windoze 95. |
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00:26.52 | g2g591 | Digital_Pioneer: i don't know about Open office, but you could try koffice |
00:27.10 | Digital_Pioneer | g2g591: I have never heard very good things about KOffice... |
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00:27.59 | g2g591 | Digital_Pioneer: pfff , it works fine |
00:28.27 | Digital_Pioneer | g2g591: I've heard bad things about the power-point-ish side of it. |
00:28.53 | g2g591 | Digital_Pioneer: havn't really used their presentation program much.... |
00:30.15 | pinotree | Digital_Pioneer: i just wonder why you ask an openoffice question in a kde channel... |
00:30.36 | Digital_Pioneer | It's not an OO question, it's an icon question. |
00:30.47 | Digital_Pioneer | Icons are displayed by the DE. |
00:30.51 | pinotree | nope |
00:30.58 | Digital_Pioneer | (I mean file icons, not buttons within the program) |
00:31.29 | pinotree | ah (clearess: -100%) |
00:32.25 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, you know that little picture that appears above the filename? It's ugly. I want to change it. |
00:33.04 | pinotree | kde control center → kde components → file associations |
00:33.18 | Digital_Pioneer | Thanks. :) |
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00:38.14 | daurn | anyone able to help with taglib? |
00:38.16 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh, soooo much better. Thanks pinotree |
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00:38.35 | pinotree | daurn: well, asking would be better for sure... |
00:38.55 | daurn | I'm looking for someone involved in taglib development |
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00:39.03 | pinotree | wheeler@kde.org |
00:39.04 | daurn | I'm doubting there will be someone here |
00:39.10 | daurn | but there could :P |
00:40.37 | pinotree | daurn: wheeler@kde.org |
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00:43.15 | pinotree | daurn: and no, you won't find taglib developers on irc |
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01:17.33 | halakar | Hey guys - How to change the space between desktop icons under KDE 3.5? |
01:17.52 | rushfan | move them? |
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01:46.10 | js0ny | any way to disable the nsplugin popups in konqueror? |
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01:59.49 | jervine | js0ny: uninstall nsplugin? |
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02:01.35 | halakar | Hey guys - How to change the space between desktop icons under KDE 3.5? |
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02:06.19 | litb | hello all |
02:06.23 | litb | i'm running kde4 |
02:06.35 | litb | it's working nice, though there are some bugs left |
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02:07.03 | litb | for example if i switch on effects, then i cannot click on the desktop icons anymore (and after a restart, the desktop is all black) |
02:07.12 | js0ny | litb: 4.01 was recently tagged. should address some of your problems |
02:07.17 | litb | and the application launcher is ignoring mouse clicks |
02:07.24 | litb | js0ny: i am running 4.0.1 :) |
02:07.33 | litb | (kdemod401 here) |
02:08.00 | litb | it has backported the resizable panel very nice |
02:08.29 | litb | though i can live with those bugs personally |
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02:13.23 | litb | what is the key shortcut to show the applets above the windows? |
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02:21.11 | cheko | litb: ctrl + f12 |
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02:23.05 | litb | cheko: thxx |
02:23.23 | litb | but i thought it would not hide the other windows |
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02:39.36 | g2g591 | is there any way to get plasma to save it's config, without having to close it? |
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03:49.59 | Starfish | I have a script-ish question: I'm running ktorrent on another machine, would there be a practical way to have it notify me via some IM method when it finishes a download, and/or periodically with stats ? |
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03:56.32 | dasKreech | dcop ? |
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04:06.42 | oppiz | what is the mail client in KDE4? |
04:06.50 | oppiz | or what package is kmail in? |
04:08.49 | EricTheFruitbat | it's in kdepim |
04:09.03 | aseigo | oppiz: kmail / kontact are rather broken in 4.0 however. |
04:09.09 | aseigo | oppiz: the goal is to have working versions in 4.1 |
04:09.23 | oppiz | that's gay |
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04:24.31 | oppiz | klauncher[22287]: segfault at 00000000000000c9 rip 00002b20df2da2be rsp 00007fffcd150c80 error 4 |
04:26.35 | xdan779 | oppiz: kmail from svn is very usable, evan if compiling isn;t your thing kde3 based apps run well in a kde4 enviroment, you can always install your distros kde3 kdepim packages |
04:26.51 | aseigo | oppiz: it's what the pim hackers had time for. instead of keeping on the crazyness that was the kontact codebase as is they went to work on akonadi. longer term haul, but big time future benefits |
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04:29.50 | dasKreech | is mailody available? |
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04:31.20 | halakar | Hey guys - How to change the space between desktop icons under KDE 3.5? |
04:33.08 | dasKreech | oh hi aseigo Didn't recognize you :) |
04:33.22 | dasKreech | back on real time now? or still timing down under? |
04:33.29 | aseigo | back on real time again. |
04:33.44 | dasKreech | great :) |
04:34.20 | aseigo | halakar: doesn't seem you can |
04:34.47 | mark_alec | hey aseigo |
04:35.04 | halakar | That sucks |
04:35.04 | aseigo | mark_alec: yo |
04:35.48 | mark_alec | aseigo: back in canada? |
04:37.21 | aseigo | mark_alec: yep =) |
04:37.45 | mark_alec | aseigo: hope you enjoyed australia :D |
04:38.32 | aseigo | halakar: however.. in plasma the grid is variable .. well, it's a static int atm, but that would be easy to make a configurable variable. |
04:38.39 | aseigo | mark_alec: it was pretty intense. =) |
04:38.43 | aseigo | had a good time, if not much sleep |
04:39.26 | mark_alec | i don't think anybody got much sleep |
04:42.32 | oppiz | xdan779, that is what i get when i run klauncher |
04:42.40 | oppiz | aseigo, |
04:42.55 | oppiz | kde 4 starts it gets to a blinking blue thing in the menu and dies |
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04:52.03 | JoeyJoeJo | what's the best way of getting flash to work in konqueror? |
04:52.25 | xdan779 | oppiz: I am not sure I understand, I do not believe klauncher is a program that you run on its own, what is it that you are trying to do when you get that error message |
04:52.39 | oppiz | when i run startkde |
04:52.55 | oppiz | klauncher[22439]: segfault at 00000000000000c9 rip 00002b1b90cd12be rsp 00007fff1b75a290 error 4 |
04:53.00 | oppiz | appears in my logs |
04:53.01 | oppiz | dmesg |
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04:53.52 | oppiz | xdan779, i can start kwrite and other such programs but not run startkde |
04:54.34 | lexual | Is the "add comment" feature in dolphin kde4 "information" sidebar working for anyone else? |
04:54.54 | xdan779 | oppiz: ahh running dmesg myself I get the same types of messages, referring to something about inotify |
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04:55.49 | oppiz | xdan779, then why does it get half way started then shut down |
04:56.08 | xdan779 | oppiz: though they do not seem to be causing any real harm |
04:56.11 | oppiz | is there a way to run verbose |
04:58.12 | oppiz | plasma works |
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05:03.41 | xdan779 | oppiz: where are you trying to run startkde from |
05:03.55 | xdan779 | are you in an Xsession when you run it |
05:04.10 | oppiz | i have tried both .xinitrc and from the xterm in a default X |
05:04.54 | zipito | how to make kde 3.5.8 working with pulseaudio |
05:05.16 | xdan779 | what method did you use to install kde4 and on what distro |
05:05.26 | oppiz | me or zipito |
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05:07.23 | oppiz | xdan779, http://cblfs.cross-lfs.org/index.php/KDE4 |
05:09.28 | zipito | any idea to make kde running with pulse? |
05:09.43 | zipito | I'm getting a strange problem |
05:09.57 | zipito | while I've been running gnome Pulse audio worked well |
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05:15.03 | xdan779 | oppiz: did you follow the docs posted at http://cblfs.cross-lfs.org/index.php/KDE4 before installing those packages |
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05:15.26 | oppiz | i wrote most of them |
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05:19.14 | xdan779 | well I suppose you can't get much closer to the source than that |
05:21.17 | oppiz | i got it |
05:21.39 | oppiz | it wasn't creating /tmp/{USER}-tmp |
05:21.53 | xdan779 | oppiz: looking through the packages provided there it looks like there a KDE4/KDEPim package from SVN available |
05:22.24 | oppiz | heh |
05:22.39 | oppiz | i need some sort of mail client |
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05:23.49 | xdan779 | from that link I posted above under kde additional packages there is a link to KDE4/Kde Pim kmail kde's mail client should be part of that package |
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05:45.50 | dasKreech | pinr |
05:46.00 | dasKreech | alpine even |
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06:06.11 | troy | dasKreech: still awake? |
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06:06.20 | dasKreech | troy: No |
06:06.22 | dasKreech | :) |
06:06.26 | troy | dasKreech: too bad :P |
06:06.48 | dasKreech | I dodream if people talk to me in my sleep though |
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06:07.24 | Jucato | troy is still awake? O.o |
06:07.49 | j-b | Hello * |
06:08.05 | Jucato | troy: don't worry... if he's not awake when you talk to him, he's sure to reply 6+ hours later, even if you forgot what you wanted to talk to him about :) |
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06:08.39 | troy | Jucato: that works :) |
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06:17.56 | troy | Jucato: did you pick up a Qt book yet? |
06:18.10 | troy | Jucato: or are you simply going to try the tutorials first (I highly recommend them) |
06:18.40 | Jucato | troy: I already have the Qt 4 book from Trolltech... halfway through reading it... not that happy about it but better than nothing :) |
06:19.24 | troy | Jucato: the Qt docs are amazing - best docs I've seen anywhere :) |
06:20.35 | Jucato | troy: actually the TT Qt 4 book feels more like bookified tutorials more than anything :) |
06:20.48 | Jucato | but yeah, I think Qt docs are great too :) |
06:20.53 | yarg | seem easier to work with than gtk? |
06:21.09 | lilltiger | Qt docs lacks examples and som explanation, in that area i prefere the php.net docs |
06:21.12 | Jucato | well, the fact that it's C++ :) |
06:21.20 | troy | yarg: never worked with gtk, but it's generally significantly less lines of code |
06:21.33 | Jucato | lilltiger: hm... there are both of those in the Qt API docs |
06:21.48 | Jucato | troy, yarg: not_to_mention_avoid_names_like_this |
06:21.51 | lilltiger | Jucato: yes, but not to the same extent |
06:22.23 | troy | the best 'absolute beginners' tutorial I've seen is the python one... it lets you go from knowing nothing to coding in python in about two hours, assuming you know another OO language... |
06:22.37 | Jucato | heh that's the problem :) |
06:22.40 | yarg | I just started going through the kdevelop guide about a week ago |
06:22.43 | yarg | very nice docs |
06:23.00 | j-b | Is there any solution to get my gtk applications a bit a better look than now on KDE4.0.1 ? |
06:23.31 | troy | j-b: not yet - there's not qt-gtk-engine for qt4 yet, afaik... |
06:23.43 | lilltiger | still the kde/qt 3.x api is the best api i have been working with this far |
06:24.03 | j-b | troy: ok, can they use a qt-gtk-engine3 then ? |
06:24.30 | yarg | split ebuilds = pain in the nuts |
06:24.33 | troy | j-b: they should be able to, yes... |
06:24.50 | j-b | grmbll.. |
06:25.12 | troy | j-b: I usually don't bother, as I only use a gtk app like once a month, maybe... |
06:25.42 | lilltiger | yarg: hmm if i recall correctly there is an command to see all installed apps that have kdelibs as dependency |
06:25.45 | j-b | troy: I have no choice, some work application are coded in GTK |
06:26.02 | Jucato | yarg: or get help from #gentoo-kde |
06:26.23 | yarg | I'm thinking I can just unmerge the kde-base or kde-meta, and depclean |
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06:27.49 | lilltiger | yarg: might work.. depclean wasent very good when i used gentoo but thats a few years ago |
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06:30.22 | yarg | lilltiger: what distro are you on now? |
06:30.31 | lilltiger | archlinux |
06:30.46 | yarg | ah, that was my guess :b |
06:31.14 | yarg | people who use gentoo either keep using it forever, or switch to arch |
06:31.26 | j-b | I don't find a volume applet for KDE4, is it my distros' issue? |
06:31.40 | lilltiger | arch is like the only choise if one likes gentoo but cant stand the compile times |
06:31.53 | yarg | theres sabyon |
06:32.35 | lilltiger | havent tried it |
06:32.52 | Jucato | j-b: you need to install kmix from kdemultimedia (the KDE 4 version of course). consult your distro for info on packages |
06:32.53 | yarg | I just put distcc on everything that has a processor in this house ^^ |
06:33.18 | lilltiger | all i had when i switched to arch was an p3 866 :) |
06:33.28 | j-b | Jucato: |
06:33.29 | yarg | ouchy |
06:33.30 | j-b | thanks |
06:33.42 | yarg | for compiling, fine for linux :) |
06:34.15 | lilltiger | yhee it worked great when it was all installed.. but kde took like 72h to install :D |
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06:34.37 | j-b | Jucato: thanks, I hadn't installed it, I am stupid :'( |
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06:35.21 | dasKreech | troy: go through distrowatch alphabetically |
06:36.15 | Jucato | j-b: it's not usually installed by default anyway (distro install it by default in KDE 3) |
06:37.08 | j-b | Jucato: well, I did get most of my packages from debian experimental... which explains why :D |
06:41.24 | Rafet | anyone know the best website for learning how to programe using C# |
06:41.27 | Rafet | ?? |
06:41.35 | yarg | google. |
06:42.03 | j-b | Is there some good widget for CPU monitoring ? |
06:42.11 | yarg | or, good ole: http://newdata.box.sk/bx/c/ |
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06:42.42 | Rafet | is c++ better than c# |
06:42.43 | Rafet | ? |
06:42.53 | yarg | they aren't really comparable |
06:43.11 | yarg | c# is .net, if you want .net, use c#, else c++ |
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06:43.34 | j-b | if you don't want, use C++ and Qt |
06:43.36 | Jucato | C# is an MS language of course... |
06:43.45 | yarg | if you want to do anything in linux, you don't want c# unless you want to use mono. |
06:43.47 | Rafet | really ?? |
06:43.49 | yarg | use java instead |
06:44.02 | lilltiger | ewww |
06:44.10 | yarg | c# is very java-like |
06:44.12 | lilltiger | java is like.. well bad :) |
06:44.31 | Jucato | technically speaking, C# was developed by Microsoft as the primary language for their .NET platform (afaik) |
06:44.37 | yarg | java is like... probably the most commonly used language, especially for cross-platform |
06:44.39 | Jucato | which is worse? C# or Java? :D |
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06:44.51 | lilltiger | java |
06:44.55 | j-b | Jucato: both |
06:44.58 | Jucato | :D |
06:45.04 | yarg | c# is a great language |
06:45.07 | Rafet | no, i like java |
06:45.11 | yarg | .net bad, c# good. |
06:45.13 | lilltiger | C# is developed by some very good c++ programmers :) |
06:45.14 | Jucato | heheh |
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06:45.28 | Rafet | i think its good for websites |
06:45.51 | yarg | the only thing bad about c# is that technically ms could come up with some creative way to kill mono via patents and the like. |
06:46.03 | yarg | which is the main reason I don't waste my time with it. |
06:46.11 | Rafet | lilltiger : thats what i heared |
06:46.24 | Rafet | so do you think c# is better than c++ !!! |
06:46.25 | lilltiger | it is |
06:46.39 | Rafet | jervine i dno't too |
06:46.44 | jervine | .Net is an implementation of C# |
06:46.47 | Jucato | but of course, this isn't the channel to ask about language questions :) |
06:46.52 | jervine | true |
06:46.54 | yarg | the actual c# language in its self, yes is a great language, > c++ probably |
06:46.59 | lilltiger | Rafet: in some ways yes, but C# is only supported by MS and isent good at all for crossplattform |
06:46.59 | Rafet | .Net is MS but not c# |
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06:47.05 | yarg | though c++ is still more versitile |
06:47.07 | jervine | but the statement that C# is a Microsoft language is wrong |
06:47.09 | yarg | more better libs |
06:47.18 | Rafet | Aha |
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06:47.32 | appelza | and probably faster |
06:47.42 | j-b | C# is bad for perf, as java is |
06:47.55 | Jucato | (Qt makes C++ the best :P) |
06:48.04 | appelza | id rather just code ruby than c# |
06:48.06 | j-b | isn't KDE 4.0.1 out ? |
06:48.10 | appelza | if I wanted a higher level lang |
06:48.14 | Jucato | but right... just a warning to stop the pending language discussion :) |
06:48.18 | Jucato | j-b: not yet |
06:48.22 | yarg | wikipedia: c# is an object-oriented programming language developed by Microsoft as part of the .NET initiative and later approved as a standard by ECMA and ISO. |
06:48.29 | troy | j-b: it's tagged - not sure if the tarballs are out |
06:48.30 | j-b | Jucato: so it is just tagged |
06:48.39 | Jucato | j-b: yes |
06:48.39 | j-b | Jucato: troy: ok. |
06:48.42 | appelza | is there a changelog somewhere? |
06:48.46 | appelza | for 4.0.1 |
06:48.48 | j-b | ok, debian has it |
06:48.51 | troy | j-b: feel free to use anonsvn :) |
06:48.59 | Rafet | so i'll start learning c++ |
06:49.01 | yarg | in other words... .net is THE implementation of c#, with others such as mono being an afterthought |
06:49.07 | j-b | troy: debian expe does great KDE packages |
06:49.09 | troy | appelza: 4.0.1 is mostly bugfixes, so not many things to note in the changelog... |
06:49.13 | j-b | troy: I just compile phonon |
06:49.29 | appelza | regardless, is there one? :P |
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06:50.01 | j-b | http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_0to4_0_1.php |
06:50.05 | j-b | this one ? |
06:50.11 | troy | appelza: I'm not sure it exists yet :) I know that they are making an annoucement page for it to put on kde.org, so that might contain a changelog... |
06:50.15 | troy | aha, there we go |
06:50.21 | yarg | monodevelop is such a nice ide though... probably my favorite. |
06:50.32 | appelza | tnx |
06:50.42 | j-b | monkeystudio is funny and it has a good Qt4 integrattion |
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06:50.56 | troy | appelza: I think that page is supposed to be under embargo still... heh :) |
06:51.03 | yarg | hm, haven' ttried that one |
06:51.09 | yarg | kdevelop looks nice for qt stuff |
06:51.15 | Jucato | j-b: um... it's a Qt IDE... of course it should have Qt4 integration :) |
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06:51.20 | troy | I guess if we always follow the same naming pattern, it's easy to geuss |
06:51.23 | Jucato | er.. it's an IDE for Qt I mean |
06:51.38 | j-b | Jucato: yeah, but that is good enough for me :D |
06:52.01 | Jucato | appelza: rule of thumb. "unreleased" web pages can still undergo some changes... but if you're ok with that, no problem :) |
06:52.07 | yarg | kate for plain c++ :b |
06:52.16 | Jucato | yarg: ++ :D |
06:52.22 | appelza | dont see anything there about taskbar resizing or colouring, maybe thats not added to the list yet? |
06:52.23 | Jucato | er.. ++ on that one |
06:52.29 | appelza | vim 4tw :p |
06:52.31 | Jucato | appelza: it's not in 4.0.1 |
06:52.40 | uten | hey everyone |
06:52.41 | yarg | appelza: kate!! |
06:52.48 | appelza | Jucato: not even resizing? |
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06:53.02 | j-b | appelza: agreed, vim above anything |
06:53.09 | Jucato | appelza: probably. I'm not running an SVN copy so I can't verify |
06:53.11 | yarg | lol |
06:53.18 | yarg | haven't tried it |
06:53.22 | appelza | ;> |
06:53.24 | Jucato | now we're on text editor wars :) |
06:53.34 | j-b | Jucato: IDE war :D |
06:53.48 | yarg | isn't vim like... nano? |
06:53.53 | appelza | cant be a war since vim already wins by default |
06:53.53 | Jucato | hah! no! |
06:54.00 | appelza | :po |
06:54.04 | j-b | :þ |
06:54.11 | dasKreech | Jucato: Tried dcop? |
06:54.19 | Jucato | dasKreech: ahem? |
06:54.23 | yarg | ? |
06:54.31 | lilltiger | nano ftw! |
06:54.34 | dasKreech | kate on the command line |
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06:54.40 | troy | hahah :) |
06:54.58 | uten | kate on mac :) |
06:55.05 | yarg | I don't quite get kate |
06:55.44 | yarg | its not really a text editor, but a framework for embedding the editor into anything from what I gather |
06:55.45 | Jucato | <yarg> kate for plain c++ :b <yarg> I don't quite get kate |
06:55.47 | Jucato | hm... |
06:56.02 | lilltiger | scitzo |
06:56.19 | Jucato | yarg: Kate uses the katepart to implement it's text editing... it's KParts at its finest |
06:56.22 | yarg | for ex: theres kate and kwrite |
06:56.26 | yarg | which look the same |
06:56.32 | uten | hey troy |
06:56.46 | yarg | aah |
06:56.51 | Jucato | yarg: think of kwrite and kate as shells around the text editing KPart (katepart). Kate is the more advanced one |
06:56.58 | Jucato | yarg: http://kate-editor.org/ |
06:57.25 | troy | uten: you're a KDE/Mac user, right? |
06:57.34 | troy | uten: do you know if the torrents exploded recently? |
06:58.03 | uten | troy: yes I am, and nope I dont know, I am not currently seeding the kde on mac torrents |
06:58.39 | uten | troy: I believe I got mine directly from benjamins website |
06:58.59 | troy | I didn't know his website could handle that much bandwidth :) |
06:59.22 | uten | he switched to kde website during the event |
07:00.18 | troy | yeah - the website looks nice - but the torrent (at least earlier today) shows no one else is online |
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07:00.34 | uten | ohhhh |
07:00.55 | uten | btw skreech is sending u the proposal now |
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07:01.16 | troy | which I thought was odd, considering how many hits RangerRick said he was getting in the days following the event... |
07:01.22 | troy | root! don't go on irc as root! |
07:03.20 | j-b | he obeys |
07:03.37 | j-b | Anyone fool enough around ? |
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07:04.22 | troy | j-b: I yell at about 10 'roots' every day :) |
07:04.39 | j-b | We autokick them out |
07:04.49 | uten | whats the root problem tho? is it etiquette or a security threat? |
07:04.55 | j-b | security |
07:05.12 | uten | oh ok |
07:05.12 | troy | uten: security - basically, if their irc client has a hole, someone could take their whole computer |
07:05.22 | dasKreech | don't IRC as Root!! |
07:05.23 | j-b | Do less things possible as root. Imagine there is a flaw in your IRC client |
07:05.27 | troy | Jucato: don't pretent do go on irc as root! :P |
07:05.32 | Jucato | :D |
07:05.36 | uten | lol |
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07:05.45 | uten | ok i see now |
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07:05.57 | j-b | the less things you do as root, the best you are |
07:06.32 | uten | in theory, |
07:06.48 | uten | I have a linux install that i only use as root jus so i can say im all powerful |
07:06.51 | uten | bwahahahahahaha |
07:06.59 | uten | it also has no net connection |
07:07.06 | uten | and no floppy or cdrom drive |
07:07.17 | uten | and non functionin usb |
07:07.17 | Jucato | hm.. let me guess... no CPU either? |
07:07.23 | uten | cpu is there |
07:07.26 | uten | it boots |
07:07.27 | j-b | If you want to be powerfull, fuck 2 girls at the same time |
07:07.36 | Jucato | er.. please watch the language j-b |
07:07.37 | uten | thats not powerful, thats normal |
07:07.38 | troy | uten: running as root is not fun... typing rm -rf .. (and not realizing that .. is /) and your system is toast... as a user, nothing happens |
07:07.38 | lilltiger | uten: who is more powerful, the god or the man who can become god when he wants.. :) |
07:07.41 | j-b | not running a computer as root |
07:07.45 | j-b | Jucato: k |
07:08.10 | troy | j-b: pg13 is a good rule of thumb :) |
07:08.14 | uten | neway dont mind me, |
07:08.15 | Jucato | lilltiger: the god who can rm the man :) |
07:08.24 | uten | im a regular sudo-er like everyone else |
07:08.37 | lilltiger | Jucato: but the man can rm the god aswell |
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07:08.51 | lilltiger | i dont like sudo :) |
07:08.55 | uten | troy:check ur mail |
07:08.56 | lilltiger | i just su :) |
07:08.57 | Jucato | :D |
07:09.31 | troy | lilltiger: I turn my root password off, and just use sudo |
07:09.43 | uten | i dont like su, that means there is a su password, wudo -i ftw |
07:09.47 | uten | *sudo |
07:10.07 | yarg | i've been wanting to try that |
07:10.13 | yarg | I work as root so much though that theres no point |
07:10.20 | yarg | i've got a root console going at virtually all times |
07:10.30 | j-b | what for ? |
07:10.36 | j-b | except installing soft ? |
07:10.40 | yarg | its gentoo... ^^ |
07:10.53 | uten | yarg:that makes everything clear |
07:10.53 | yarg | compile, install, by the time you're done compiling, its time to repeat |
07:11.10 | lilltiger | i prefere that the attacker has an extra password they have to break.. |
07:13.05 | yarg | thats why I <3 linux... they develop shiz faster than I can install it |
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07:13.33 | dasKreech | uten: You can type a few letters and hit tab |
07:13.40 | yarg | compile a new kernel every few weeks |
07:13.44 | Shirakawasuna | does kde 4 play nice with kde 3 so long as I use two separate user accounts to run it? |
07:13.46 | yarg | so much fun |
07:13.55 | uten | dasKreech: ahhh i seee |
07:14.02 | yarg | They work fine together even with just 1 account |
07:14.15 | dasKreech | uten: said the blind man |
07:14.23 | uten | dasKreech: |
07:14.30 | uten | dasKreech: anyway i gone |
07:14.33 | uten | later |
07:14.38 | Shirakawasuna | hmmm, most problems I've dealt with in here are for people who used the same account for both kde3 and kde4 |
07:14.46 | dasKreech | me too I have a meeting in a few hours |
07:15.04 | yarg | theres a weird way of dealing with it for this distro though |
07:15.12 | yarg | they can coexist on different "slots" i guess. |
07:15.29 | Shirakawasuna | slots? gentoo? |
07:16.41 | uten | ./gone to bed |
07:17.10 | dasKreech | nice script :) |
07:17.32 | uten | ./me goes to bed |
07:17.37 | uten | nahh doesnt work |
07:17.52 | uten | ahhh i seee |
07:18.02 | kaminix^ | Is there any way to count characters in KMail? Like File -> Statistics in KWord? |
07:18.44 | Qrawl | bytes |
07:18.54 | Qrawl | bits |
07:19.11 | kaminix^ | Are all japanese characters 2 bytes? |
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07:19.21 | kaminix^ | Where's the bytes listed? |
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07:19.26 | kaminix^ | *are |
07:19.55 | Qrawl | dont know |
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07:25.04 | thiago_home | kaminix^: no, they are not. |
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07:25.37 | thiago_home | kaminix^: you did not say the encoding, so I'm answering in general. |
07:25.45 | thiago_home | kaminix^: they are not 2-bytes in length in ALL encodings. |
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07:27.06 | kaminix^ | Think it's UTF-8, haven't changed any settings. |
07:27.14 | kaminix^ | wops, got to go |
07:27.34 | thiago_home | then it's definite no |
07:27.54 | thiago_home | it's generally 3 bytes in length |
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08:00.32 | Steven_M | does anyone here use kphone? |
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08:18.59 | petrus | halo |
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08:23.28 | Steven_M | what's an example of a provider I can connect to with kphone? |
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08:24.04 | troy | Steven_M: lots of sleepy people right now :) I don't use kphone myself, so I don't know.... |
08:24.29 | troy | in a few more hours, europe will be fully awake, in which case someone who has used kphone is more likely to be online :) |
08:27.41 | Steven_M | troy: in a few more hours, I'll be asleep :) |
08:28.28 | troy | Steven_M: you could try emailing kde@kde.org - sort of the general users mailing list - sometimes that's faster than irc... |
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08:29.33 | dasKreech | Faster than IRC? |
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08:32.48 | lilltiger | hmm i guess i shouldent have flipped that switch |
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08:36.11 | Steven_M | troy do you remember my sound card question last night? |
08:36.56 | dasKreech | Steven_M: I think you missed the boat on that. He;s probably sleeping |
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08:38.40 | Steven_M | dasKreech: good night |
08:38.51 | dasKreech | nihgt |
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08:44.08 | gamaral | troy, ping uino |
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09:00.59 | Shihan | hi guys, i've been running kde 3.5.8 (fedora 8) with compiz for a while, and the one thing i dont seem to be able to get working is the alt-f1 and alt-f2 keys... i've seen a few posts, but has anyone actually solved that problem? |
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09:09.41 | adrin_jalali | not sure at all, and maybe you yourself tried before, did you try to reconfigure these shortcut keys from control center ? |
09:10.34 | adrin_jalali | it seems that shortcut keys are handled but window decorator, so when you change your window decorator to compiz- you maybe should reconfigure them :-/ |
09:12.09 | Shihan | no, i've never changed them... i've tried this one: http://kdedevelopers.org/node/2294 and various permutations of it... but alt-f2 and alt-f1 just seem to refuse to function |
09:13.50 | Shihan | compiz thinks that alt-f1 is show menu and alt-f2 run command, but they just dont seem to get translated back to kde at all |
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09:20.30 | Seraphim | Hi |
09:20.37 | Seraphim | Is it possible to compile konversation for Windows? |
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09:28.48 | lilltiger | Seraphim: well is it avaible for kde4 yet? |
09:29.00 | Seraphim | Don't think so... |
09:29.12 | Seraphim | But why does it matter? It's available for 3.5.x |
09:29.16 | lilltiger | then it isent possible |
09:29.20 | Seraphim | Why not? |
09:29.29 | Seraphim | kde 3.5.x doesn't compile on windowx? |
09:29.31 | Seraphim | windows? |
09:29.34 | lilltiger | yhe but 3.5.x dosent work in windows |
09:29.41 | Seraphim | and KDE4 does? |
09:29.44 | lilltiger | yes |
09:29.48 | Seraphim | that's weird... |
09:29.51 | lilltiger | no |
09:29.57 | Seraphim | I thought kde always compiled on windows... |
09:29.58 | lilltiger | kde4 is an total rewrite |
09:30.09 | Seraphim | But how would one use it on windows? |
09:30.14 | Seraphim | There's already a native destkop. |
09:30.23 | lilltiger | it's the kde4 apps, not the desktop |
09:30.29 | lilltiger | that is avaible for windows |
09:30.38 | Seraphim | hmmmm.... |
09:30.58 | lilltiger | take a peek at the kde 4 keynotes on youtube |
09:31.22 | lilltiger | the demo some apps on windows |
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09:31.59 | Seraphim | Are you using kde 4? |
09:32.13 | kirill | no |
09:32.29 | Seraphim | lilltiger? |
09:32.47 | lilltiger | not yet |
09:32.54 | lilltiger | but is about to try it.. |
09:32.56 | Seraphim | hmm... |
09:33.04 | Seraphim | I'm compiling it now.. (on linux) |
09:33.08 | Seraphim | I'm wondering if it's a major change... |
09:33.10 | lilltiger | though i want it to develope my apps |
09:33.13 | Seraphim | A whole new experience.. or not. |
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09:33.26 | lilltiger | Seraphim: nope you will be dissapointed |
09:33.33 | Seraphim | by what? |
09:33.47 | lilltiger | it dosent have much apps nor much eyecandy yet |
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09:34.07 | Seraphim | brb |
09:34.29 | lilltiger | in 4.0.0 you cant even resize the panel.. it isent ment to be an productive desktop yet |
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09:53.18 | gebura | hi all , i just found a bug in my ark (kde archiver) installation ( version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu2 ), i don't find any bug report associated, as somebody some time to loose to verify with me that the bug occur on a different installation before i send a bug report ? |
09:54.15 | lilltiger | ark is full of bugs.. |
09:54.38 | lilltiger | sometimes i wonder if there is anything but bugs in it.. |
09:55.01 | gebura | :) |
09:55.52 | gebura | the problem is simple, i have a zip archiv whitch contain a file (install.bat) , if i drag n drop another file named install.bat , it crash, if i remove the current file into before it work |
09:56.08 | gebura | if somebody can verify it, it may be helpfull |
09:56.10 | lilltiger | sometimes it actually works and then i get to excited so i try to compress something to anythiing other then .zip and it breaks again.. |
09:56.44 | lilltiger | gebura: tried with other filenames+ |
09:56.52 | lilltiger | and other types of archives |
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09:58.10 | lilltiger | gebura: cant test.. :( it refuses to make an .zip so.. |
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09:58.33 | gebura | i am at work, don't have a lot a time for investigate more (for now) :( |
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09:59.10 | lilltiger | well my guess is that ark is and have been abondoned for quite some time |
09:59.25 | lilltiger | nothing else in kde works that bad |
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09:59.37 | gebura | i didn't know |
09:59.57 | gebura | you haven't tested kopete :) |
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10:35.28 | GwaiLo | Hi All, I'm not quite sure what to google for this question so hopefully someone can help me figure out what to pursue. I've installed kubuntu and recently installed kde4. When I choose it from KDM, it starts up and I receive the tip of the day but then it apparently hangs. I can close the tip of the day window but the desktop never loads and I just have the blue background screen sitting there with no overlay of any kind (nor can I bring up a context me |
10:35.28 | GwaiLo | nu etc.) |
10:35.56 | GwaiLo | the kicker though, is that if I run Xephyr inside my kde3.5 session, and run startkde from the kde4 directory... it loads kde4 perfectly inside there. |
10:36.14 | yllar | for me it hangs for about 15-20 secunds and then becomes usable |
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10:36.36 | GwaiLo | hmm, I let it sit there while I had a shower yesterday and it still didn't come good |
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10:41.14 | GwaiLo | Could someone suggest what log file I could be looking through for a clue after attempting the load? |
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10:59.06 | user-land | Hi, i keep getting this error in Konqueror KDE3 OpenSuse 10.3: |
10:59.09 | user-land | "Could not find mime type application/octet-stream" |
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11:39.39 | mattl | hey kde fans! |
11:41.25 | mattl | i've done something silly.. somehow, all my Qt applications are coming up with very dark colours for the stripes. http://mattl.co.uk/stuff/kde.png |
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11:47.12 | GNU\colossus | mattl: awesome, how can I have that? ;D |
11:47.13 | Brimly | yawn |
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11:47.33 | mattl | GNU\colossus: blah. |
11:47.41 | GNU\colossus | scnr :/ |
11:47.51 | Brimly | its 6:00 am |
11:50.50 | Brimly | ? |
11:50.55 | Brimly | anyone awake |
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11:54.16 | mattl | i am. |
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11:59.34 | BASEman | knetworkmanager hangs at "configuring device" when trying to switch to a wireless, how do I fix this or get more info? |
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12:06.14 | Richlv | anybody here with 3.5.8 who could test a possible problem with kpdf ? |
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12:08.03 | GNU\colossus | <- @ Richlv |
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12:09.32 | Richlv | GNU\colossus, could you open pdf at http://www.zabbix.com/downloads/ZABBIX%20Manual%20v1.4.pdf and look at page 89 ? |
12:09.37 | Richlv | is the table heading ok for you ? |
12:09.43 | Richlv | note, pdf is quite large |
12:09.47 | Richlv | 2.something mb |
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12:10.05 | Richlv | that might as well be a problem with the pdf, though - i'm not completely sure :) |
12:10.10 | amas3 | hello, is it possible somehow to uninstall stuff (modules) I installed with kdesvnbuild ? |
12:10.22 | GNU\colossus | the table headers are broken, Richlv |
12:10.31 | amas3 | actually i want to uninstall kdewebdev and kdevelop |
12:10.37 | GNU\colossus | kerning is too small (negative, possibly) |
12:11.13 | Richlv | kghostview displays it the same |
12:11.19 | Richlv | so maybe the pdf is actually broken |
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12:13.42 | Whitman | Richlv, I've just opened it in Adobe Reader 7 on a Windows box, the table header is broken |
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12:15.15 | Richlv | GNU\colossus, Whitman, thanks |
12:15.20 | GNU\colossus | yw |
12:15.24 | Whitman | np |
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12:34.02 | lilltiger | hmm is there no mouse focus in KDE 4 yet? |
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12:34.18 | Jucato | mouse focus? |
12:35.11 | lilltiger | yes, that the windows the mouse is over gets focus |
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12:35.57 | Jucato | Focus Under Mouse? |
12:36.11 | Jucato | System Settings -> Window Behavior? |
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12:36.36 | amas3 | does the make uninstall need install manifest ? i've cleaned the build after compiling and installing, how can i uninstall program now (kdevelop and kdewebdev) ? is it worth to look through all files deleting them ? |
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12:42.46 | Seraphim | lilltiger - Have you built KDE4? |
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12:59.34 | whirm | hi all! |
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13:20.00 | itom | hi all, you know the software for stats that is on the top of this screenshot? http://www.xfce-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/54925-1.jpg |
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13:21.36 | MasseR | itom: A bit wrong place to ask? This is kde channel :) |
13:22.04 | MasseR | Is there btw any way to assign shortkeys to programs yet? |
13:22.23 | Jucato | MasseR: which programs? |
13:22.27 | itom | MasseR: oh sorry, I think that this screenshot is kde |
13:22.29 | Jucato | and what do you mean exactly? |
13:22.42 | Jucato | itom: hint: it';s from "xfce"-look.org |
13:22.48 | MasseR | Jucato: For example to start urxvt |
13:22.50 | MasseR | Or firefox |
13:22.53 | MasseR | Or * |
13:23.00 | Jucato | MasseR: KDE 3.5 or KDE 4? |
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13:23.40 | Jucato | KDE 3.5 is easy. if it's in the K Menu, right-click on it -> Edit this item, set a shortcut (near the bottom of the window) |
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13:24.26 | Jucato | if it's not in the K Menu, you can either put it in the K Menu (right-click on the K Menu icon -> Menu Editor) or use KControl -> Regional & Accessibility -> Input Actions to define your own |
13:26.01 | MasseR | Jucato: 4.0 |
13:26.14 | Jucato | that I'm not sure :) |
13:26.19 | MasseR | Okay :) |
13:26.23 | Jucato | if Input Actions exist, then most probalby yes |
13:26.26 | Jucato | probably* |
13:26.26 | MasseR | Grah I need the expose function :) |
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14:06.18 | lilltiger | Jucato: thanks, hmm must have been blind :) Do you what the difference between "Focus Follows Mouse" and "Focus under mouse"? |
14:06.37 | lilltiger | Seraphim: no not myself, i use kdemod4 (archlinux) |
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14:19.49 | lilltiger | Hmm, only thing i actually miss in kde4 vs kde3.5+compiz-fusion is Opacify |
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14:22.00 | Sho_ | lilltiger: Hm, wouldn't be too hard to write me thinks ... perhaps give Rivo a ping about it |
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14:23.44 | lilltiger | Sho_: but hard for me to know how popular it is, just because i want it dosent realy justify me to bother people that probly have alot more important things to do :) |
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14:24.45 | lilltiger | i just started using Opacify like 3 days ago, but totaly fell in love with it |
14:25.03 | Sho_ | lilltiger: Well, I just read about it and it sounds useful to me - one of the better what-to-use-compositing-for ideas ;) |
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14:29.20 | lilltiger | Sho_: yhee with focus follow mouse i great |
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14:30.53 | x1bncwn | how do i change the kickoff start button, or more importantly wth is a .mng and how do i create one |
14:31.35 | x1bncwn | i have an image a .png image id like to use for start button, but it doesnt work when i add it to ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker/pics/ |
14:31.46 | welp | hey, i'm getting major slowdowns in kmail when adding accounts... it seems to be doing *something* with all the messages (fetching them, perhaps? but i'm using imap, so that doesn't sound right...) http://dev.gentooexperimental.org/~welp/snapshot13.png <-- that's what it's looking like atm... |
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14:33.13 | draglor|away | welp: if you use imap everry mail is fetched every time .. this is how imap works .. you can use disconnected imap in kmail if you don't want to download them all the time .. or just download the headers |
14:33.14 | AlbanianFliyer | Äàðîâ íàðîä!! |
14:33.54 | pinotree | AlbanianFliyer: english please |
14:34.25 | AlbanianFliyer | I'm Russian. Who wnt to talk with me?? |
14:34.38 | AlbanianFliyer | lol |
14:34.41 | pinotree | this is not a meeting channel |
14:36.00 | welp | draglor|away: huuh? i was pretty certain that POP3 was the protocol which required you to download all the messages locally... and wikipedia says that "IMAP4 offers access to the mail store; the client may store local copies of the messages, but these are considered to be a temporary cache; the server's store is authoritative." |
14:36.37 | welp | draglor|away: and for POP3... "Although most clients have an option to leave mail on server, e-mail clients using POP3 generally connect, retrieve all messages, store them on the user's PC as new messages, delete them from the server, and then disconnect." |
14:36.39 | x1bncwn | n/m that was simple enough |
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14:38.12 | Whitman | Is the monitor settings, is the power management done on a per user basis or is it system wide? |
14:38.34 | draglor|away | welp: imapo stores everything on the server ... pop3 locally .. so you have to download everything everytime from the server with imap .. disconnected imap uses a local cache .. but changes on the server require to download the messages again |
14:39.00 | draglor | welp: yes .. pop3 downloads mail once ... imap everytime |
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14:39.14 | welp | aah, that's probably what caused the confusion.. heh. |
14:39.35 | welp | draglor: in that case, how do i set kmail to download headers only? i can't see any options to do so in the settings |
14:39.49 | draglor | welp: maybe ... but in kmail i'd suppose you to use disconnected imap .. |
14:40.11 | draglor | welp: it'll store everything locallly and only download changed and new messages |
14:40.36 | draglor | welp: im not really sure if theres an option in kmail .. but let me have a look |
14:41.28 | welp | hrm... disconnected imap would require me to re-create all my accounts, wouldn't it? |
14:42.49 | draglor | welp: well .. yes .. but thats only the mail user and pw ... should not be much work .. |
14:43.15 | draglor | welp: it seems theres no header only option in kmail .. (or I'm too stupid to find it) |
14:43.26 | welp | draglor: mmh, ok.. thanks anyway |
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14:45.31 | amon_ | When I try to play a LastFM stream in amarok, I have to load the stream and restart amarak. Otherwise the connection won't be established. Is this a known issue? |
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14:48.26 | draglor | amon_: I can only say that I don't have this behaviour on my machine |
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15:03.03 | Thunderbird | hi |
15:03.32 | Thunderbird | when I'm filling in e.g. forms using konqueror from kde4 words get highlighted |
15:03.36 | Thunderbird | this seems to be quite slow |
15:03.44 | Thunderbird | what is it and how to disable it? |
15:03.46 | amon_ | Turn of spell checking |
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15:04.09 | Thunderbird | I already thought it was that but I wasn't able to find a setting for it in konqueror |
15:04.14 | Thunderbird | or is it a global setting? |
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15:12.48 | Thunderbird | does anyone know where the spelling setting is located on kde4? |
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15:16.18 | Whitman | I've just put a konsole into full screen mode in kde4. How do I get it out of full screen mode? |
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15:17.12 | SSJ_GZ | Whitman: Try CTRL+SHIFT+F11 |
15:17.35 | Whitman | SSJ_GZ, that worked, thanks |
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15:17.42 | SSJ_GZ | cool |
15:18.04 | Whitman | What's the the command for? |
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15:22.54 | lilltiger | i hope the dude of kdemod dosent pay per MB of download |
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15:23.44 | lilltiger | was only 2.5GB hehe :D |
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15:24.59 | lilltiger | lol i have the whole kdemod forum downloaded :D |
15:25.05 | lilltiger | very usefull :D |
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15:28.06 | Clarion | what? |
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15:32.01 | x1bncwn | there should be tabs on minimized windows in the panel/taskbar so there is a clear seperator between launchers/quick launch and taskbar, i hate to say it but like windows, is there a way to facilitate this? |
15:32.43 | x1bncwn | when locking the panel the seperator dissappears and the panel merges together id like to stop this |
15:34.34 | x1bncwn | basically i want the tabs for each minimized window to be visible, so it creates a clear seperation between the kmenu/launchers and the taskbar |
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16:11.39 | amas3 | CMake Error: Cannot find source file "/root/kdesvn/kdewebdev/klinkstatus/src/ui/trayicon.cpp" for target "klinkstatus" |
16:11.39 | amas3 | kdewebdev error (source from SVN) |
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16:12.29 | Webbmaster | hi |
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16:13.39 | jeroenvrp | I am looking for a way to make sure the icons in the file-picker used by Gnome/GTK under KDE is using the KDE icons. With the gtk-to-qt-engine all icons are changed, but not these icons?! |
16:14.04 | jeroenvrp | now there are brown icons, gnome/gtk default - and if I change it in the gnome or gtk theme-settings; it has no effect |
16:14.19 | jeroenvrp | I am talking about kde3.5.8 btw |
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16:42.36 | amas3 | can i force kdesvn to leave "make" files so i could "make uninstall" software ? |
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16:45.37 | Apocalypse_dn | grkrc-2.0 always overwrites when kde4 starts. Where i can disable it? |
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16:47.05 | Q-collective | make .gtkrc readable-only? :p |
16:47.36 | MinceR | iirc it does that because applying color settings to non-KDE apps is enabled |
16:47.36 | Apocalypse_dn | Q-collective, will it work? |
16:47.53 | Apocalypse_dn | MinceR, it's disabled |
16:47.58 | Apocalypse_dn | bug) |
16:48.02 | Apocalypse_dn | maybe |
16:48.03 | MinceR | dunno |
16:48.16 | MinceR | maybe there's a gtk theme chooser in system settings? |
16:48.26 | Q-collective | Apocalypse_dn: well, it is ro, kde4 can't overwrite it |
16:48.27 | MinceR | (which might or might not do that) |
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16:54.00 | amas3 | any kdewebdev contributors her |
16:54.01 | amas3 | e |
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17:05.48 | lilltiger | in kde 4.0.1 where is the optin to resize the panel? |
17:05.52 | lilltiger | option |
17:06.03 | pinotree | there is none |
17:06.19 | lilltiger | ohh wasent it added to .1? |
17:06.38 | lilltiger | nowonder i cant find it :) |
17:06.51 | cb400f | 4.0.x is under feature and string freeze |
17:07.02 | cb400f | it was added to trunk (4.1) |
17:08.33 | lilltiger | ahh so so the 4.0.x is just buggfixes nd wont add any features? |
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17:10.08 | cb400f | yes |
17:10.49 | cb400f | I believe there'll soon be a decision on doing a special release of plasma before 4.1.. it's really needed |
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17:13.38 | lilltiger | yhee some quite nasy bugs :( |
17:13.44 | lilltiger | nasty |
17:14.17 | pinotree | cb400f: nope |
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17:14.38 | pinotree | plasma is part of the kde modules, so it will be released with them |
17:15.18 | heretic | is anyone aware of a bug in kmail that doesn't allow you to use a shortcut key combo to mark mail as read/new/unread? |
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17:16.01 | cb400f | I believe there's discussions about making an exception.. I think it should be done.. as lacking plasma features is definitely the achilles heel of 4.0.x |
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17:16.26 | pinotree | cb400f: release something takes away time |
17:16.28 | cb400f | .. and mid july is faaaar away |
17:16.37 | pinotree | nope, it's not |
17:17.45 | lilltiger | pinotree: Do you know if a Opacify (found in compiz-fusion) is planed (makes applications seethrought if an application behind it gets focus but isent raised)? |
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17:18.04 | cb400f | it'll seem far when every mandriva, fedora, kubuntu and opensuse user starts whining about 4.0 plasma :-) |
17:18.27 | cb400f | (since all of them release 4.0 during q2) |
17:18.32 | pinotree | they can whine whatevr they want |
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17:18.56 | pinotree | where are you been reading about this "exception" for plasma? i'm just curious |
17:19.28 | cb400f | aaron s said something about "intermittant plasma release" on his blog a few weeks back |
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17:19.46 | cb400f | and I heard someone say there'd be a meeting about february 9th |
17:20.40 | DaSkreech | How can I ask Konqui to reget audiocd:/ info ? |
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17:22.57 | DaSkreech | do i have to logout? |
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17:24.15 | cb400f | DaSkreech: reloading or restarting konq doesn't do it? |
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17:24.48 | cb400f | pinotree: |
17:24.48 | cb400f | <cb400f> any official decision about intermittant plasma before 4.1? |
17:24.48 | cb400f | <dirk> cb400f: there is a plasma meeting next weekend (iirc) about that topc |
17:24.48 | cb400f | <Beineri> 9th |
17:24.54 | DaSkreech | cb400f: Doesn't seem to. My network cable was unplugged when I put the CD in now it doesn't seem to want to retrieve the info |
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17:27.28 | DaSkreech | hi blessedbeef |
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17:42.53 | DaSkreech | There is no way to invoke Information gathering from audiocd:/ ? |
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17:45.19 | cbr | will there be a knetworkmanager for kde4? |
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17:48.29 | DaSkreech | cbr: as I understand it it will be part of Solid |
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17:51.56 | cbr | DaSkreech: uhm.. when? |
17:52.17 | DaSkreech | 4.1 |
17:52.31 | cbr | :( |
17:52.40 | cbr | any more information about that somewhere? |
17:53.18 | DaSkreech | Check the goals page for 4.1 on techbase I think |
17:53.29 | DaSkreech | I can't actually recall now where I saw it |
17:53.41 | DaSkreech | I know it's a painful point though so it will get fixed |
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17:57.20 | cbr | techbase makes no mention of it |
17:59.18 | DaSkreech | troy__: Ping |
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18:00.52 | troy__ | DaSkreech: pong, but only for a second |
18:01.27 | DaSkreech | Solidwill provide wifi gui in 4.1 ? |
18:01.41 | troy | DaSkreech: no idea :) ask ervin if he's online :) |
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18:01.57 | DaSkreech | great. Can I get audiocd:/ to refresh the Cd info? |
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18:02.15 | troy | solid itself isn't meant for gui stuff though - it'd provide the api that the gui would need to access, that's all |
18:02.28 | troy | the gui would exist outside of solid - say as a plasmoid |
18:03.06 | DaSkreech | ok |
18:03.22 | DaSkreech | cbr: there you go bug ervin :) |
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18:03.43 | DaSkreech | troy: Any way to force Konqui to refresh audiocd:/ info ? |
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18:32.28 | pvandewyngaerde | i just compiled and installed qt4.4 tp1, now how can i compile kde4 with qt4.4 |
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18:36.40 | marvin__ | hi guys |
18:36.56 | jazka | what if I'm a girl? |
18:37.37 | marvin__ | then i'm sorry |
18:37.45 | DaSkreech | what if I'm a very small shell script ? |
18:38.08 | marvin__ | hi guys, girls and very small shell scripts |
18:38.19 | aleksanteri | and what if i'm an IRC bot? |
18:38.22 | aleksanteri | :P |
18:38.40 | marvin__ | i see this is going to get a long list |
18:38.56 | Prof_Frink | marvin__: Just go with "Hi .*" |
18:39.02 | amon_ | Wildcards are your friends |
18:39.13 | amon_ | ah there we go :D |
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18:39.59 | marvin__ | i bet when i say " hi .*" i get the same complaints from all not wildcard entities |
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18:40.18 | jazka | hi |
18:40.32 | aleksanteri | and what if my nick doesn't start with a period? |
18:40.48 | aleksanteri | as it doesn't |
18:40.58 | jazka | heh he left already |
18:40.59 | Prof_Frink | perlrequick even |
18:41.05 | aleksanteri | dam, it's a regexp |
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18:50.00 | Ian00 | how can i make my konsole or xterm colors the same as my non-X terminal colors? |
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18:58.09 | Alien_Freak | how do I remove the task bar from KDE4? I don't want anything kicker, clock, desktops or anything else down there... |
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19:03.13 | gourdin | ho |
19:03.14 | gourdin | wow |
19:03.16 | gourdin | kde 4.0.1 |
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19:04.06 | gourdin | omg |
19:04.16 | gourdin | :( |
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19:07.00 | user-land | really ? :-) |
19:07.26 | user-land | is it ready for simple users now then ? |
19:07.31 | gourdin | no |
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19:08.01 | gourdin | 2 click, 2 bugs |
19:08.05 | gourdin | so... |
19:08.12 | gourdin | bug reporting ;) |
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19:13.31 | _bruno | ciao tutti |
19:13.33 | user-land | thanks gourdin :-) |
19:13.45 | user-land | ciao |
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19:14.46 | tinin | Where is kde 4.0.1? Should we wait much more to have a functional taskbar? |
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19:15.14 | tinin | I mean, when is it going to be released |
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19:15.54 | cheko | 3.5.8 has a functional taskbar ;) |
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19:16.29 | alsuren | Ian00: konsole has settings -> schema if that helps |
19:16.38 | tinin | well, but it doesn't behave well with compiz cheko |
19:16.38 | cheko | 06 February 2008: Releasing 4.0.1 |
19:16.59 | tinin | and kde4 works well with compiz or kwin effects |
19:17.01 | gourdin | tinin: cheko there is 4.0.1 packages on kubuntu |
19:17.15 | tinin | eeeeeeeeeeeerrr |
19:17.21 | tinin | where????????? |
19:17.24 | gourdin | let's hope they aren't the final 4.0.1 |
19:17.28 | cheko | debian experimental has 4.0.1 packages too |
19:17.38 | gourdin | :( |
19:17.42 | gourdin | so this is the .0.1 |
19:17.57 | jazka | 4.1 trunk <3 |
19:18.05 | gourdin | jazka: ? |
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19:18.56 | tinin | wow, 4.0.1 must have landed a few minutes ago, I didn't notice |
19:18.59 | jazka | ? |
19:19.01 | tinin | I'm going to try |
19:19.40 | tinin | and does anyone use kdm-kde4 in kubuntu? |
19:19.55 | tinin | Id' like to know if it is working |
19:20.21 | jazka | gourdin: I mean I'm using the svn version |
19:20.44 | gourdin | jazka: ok |
19:21.11 | gourdin | back to 3 :) |
19:21.14 | jazka | with moveable and resizable panel |
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19:22.11 | alsuren | do you think he realises that <3 means "love", not "is worse than 3" |
19:22.22 | tinin | Is there any kde4 svn repo avaliable for any distro? |
19:22.27 | jazka | gentoo |
19:22.30 | jazka | svn ebuilds |
19:23.00 | tinin | well, maybe i won't be able to run gentoo |
19:23.11 | jazka | why not? |
19:23.33 | tinin | I have only used debian like all the time |
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19:24.34 | tinin | sabanyon linux is based on gentoo, would it work if I add those gentoo repos to it? jazka |
19:25.24 | jazka | tinin: I don't know |
19:25.46 | user-land | Does one of you know how i could get rid of this error in KDE3 OpenSuse 10.3 ? "Could not find mime type application/octet-stream" |
19:25.50 | jazka | ask on sabanyon's channel |
19:26.00 | alsuren | tinin: http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories#KDE_4 |
19:26.23 | tinin | Thanx, it's just that I'd like to try the improvements as they go, |
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19:27.51 | tinin | user-land I had it, when I changed something like a .flv file to open with a videoplayer, I just reverted the changes |
19:28.03 | alsuren | tinin if you want to keep up to date without polluting the rest of your system, http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 lets you build and install KDE from SVN for just 1 user |
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19:28.24 | user-land | me too, that's how i got it, tinin. |
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19:28.53 | user-land | but i can't get rid of it so far ... trying since a month. |
19:29.27 | ikaruga2099 | hi guys .... just installed kde4 on opensuse... but kded is taking up 100% of the cpu...is that normal? |
19:29.27 | tinin | alsuren too much work, I'm just a user ;) |
19:29.44 | tinin | ikaruga2099 of course |
19:29.53 | tinin | lol |
19:30.50 | ikaruga2099 | anyway is kded using up 100% of the cpu like System Idle Process on windows? |
19:31.18 | jazka | it's not normal |
19:31.20 | tinin | it shouln't |
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19:32.04 | ikaruga2099 | otherwise ... it's running fast |
19:32.30 | user-land | tinin can you please tell me what you have for flv now ? |
19:32.46 | tinin | I'll see |
19:32.48 | jazka | ikaruga2099: maybe you should ask on suse's channel, if someone has the same problem |
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19:34.28 | tinin | user-land I think if you tell it to sho the flv videos as embeded, it won't show the error |
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19:34.33 | freakyy | hi all. can someone tell me where that bounce feedback setting for the cursor is? |
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19:35.24 | tinin | anyway, It won't play your flv videos if you click them now user-land |
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19:35.47 | tinin | user-land tell me if you get something better |
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19:36.12 | EnsGabe | Heyo all- I've got a five button mouse and am wondering how to get konqeuror (3.5.8) to recognize the side buttons as forwards/backwards. I've got my mouse configured correctly to generate different mouse events (xev reports them as buttons 6 and 7). Has anyone tread this ground before? |
19:36.47 | tinin | I'm going to try 4.0.1 |
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19:37.30 | EnsGabe | Alternatively, mapping those buttons to XF86Forward/XF86Back in xorg would work, but I'd rather not give the buttons that semantic meaning across all applications |
19:37.39 | user-land | flv is set on embedded now, txt too, still the same ... |
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19:41.18 | tinin | ok, so what's new in 4.0.1? |
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19:41.48 | tinin | the taskbar panel still sucks, it is not configurable :( |
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19:43.31 | szier | This is probably a dumb question, but how does one print the URL at the top of the page from konqueror? |
19:43.31 | alsuren | tinin: 4.0.* releases are only supposed to be bugfix releases |
19:43.45 | szier | i cant find it in the print settings or the configure menu anywhere |
19:43.52 | tinin | alsuren thetaskbar panel itself is a bug |
19:44.07 | tinin | adoption stopper bug |
19:44.08 | freakyy | hi all. can someone help me? i can't find the launch feedback setting. can you tell me, where it is? |
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19:46.04 | alsuren | tinin: I think the answer is "be patient" |
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19:47.20 | szier | im trying this in kde 3.5 |
19:47.38 | tinin | I know sorry alsuren |
19:47.58 | tinin | at least yakuake supports transparency now |
19:48.08 | alsuren | tinin there are many other things that have not reached feature parity yet in kde4.0. Hopefully you will be more impressed by 4.1 :D |
19:49.32 | alsuren | freakyy: settings:/LookNFeel/ |
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19:49.43 | freakyy | thank you |
19:50.02 | user-land | tinin, flv is set on embedded now, txt too, still the same ... |
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19:50.50 | apokryphos | wooo |
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19:51.05 | alsuren | user-land: one thing to try is to try it with a new user |
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19:51.21 | tinin | user-land maybe you need to logout of kde |
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19:51.43 | user-land | thanks tinin. |
19:51.47 | szier | i want to print the url at the top of the printout in konqueror 3.5 on gentoo |
19:51.52 | szier | is there any way to do this? |
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19:52.49 | alsuren | szier: I'm afraid I don't print things very often |
19:53.13 | alsuren | can you do it in firefox for now? |
19:53.25 | szier | yeaah. me either. its for work |
19:53.33 | szier | i would.. but im running ff3 |
19:53.46 | szier | and the print dialog isn't complete |
19:53.54 | szier | theres no option to print a header anymore |
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19:54.00 | szier | thats what i get, i guess |
19:54.30 | alsuren | well in advanced under print (HTML settings) there is a print header |
19:54.41 | alsuren | if that helps |
19:54.46 | szier | oh. wait.. i think i found it |
19:54.53 | alsuren | it's on by default for me |
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19:55.30 | szier | yeah.. i saw that.. tried it but nothing came out |
19:55.45 | szier | alsuren, youre still talking about konq, right? |
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19:56.26 | szier | maybe my margins are wrong and its printing off of the page |
19:56.41 | alsuren | szier: yeah. Note that I've not tried it |
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19:58.13 | alsuren | szier: do you have the entry: location- print... options tab=html settings - print header |
19:58.46 | user-land | a new user does not have this problem, alsuren. |
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20:00.51 | alsuren | user-land: try renaming the folder ~/.kde/share/mimelnk temporarily, and then copying the one across from the new user (if it exists) to replace it |
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20:02.34 | alsuren | (remembering to change the ownership :D) |
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20:04.47 | szier | alsuren. yes, that is checked by default. ill try playing with the margins to see if that fixes it. |
20:05.12 | tinin | "The KDE Community today announced the immediate availability of KDE 4.0.1, the first bugfix and maintenance release for the latest generation of the most advanced and powerful free desktop. " |
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20:05.27 | tinin | that means gnome sucks? XD |
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20:06.09 | user-land | just renaming that folder solved the problem now, alsuren, thank you :-) |
20:06.20 | alsuren | tinin: "advanced" and "powerful" do not mean "better" |
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20:06.28 | user-land | probably thanks to the prior instructions by tinin |
20:07.01 | lilltiger | take a look at gir in invader zim :) "He's advanced" |
20:07.03 | lilltiger | :D |
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20:08.01 | lilltiger | hmm looks like konqi in KDE 4 still dosent honor the option to hide the menu bar |
20:08.07 | fedora_ | hola |
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20:09.15 | tinin | user-land sorry user-land, I had just remembered what to do in your case, you just needed to erase a file called octect-stream in the mimeinks kde folder I think XD late |
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20:10.14 | user-land | great, tinin, this time i struggled with this problem for over a month, getting no reply on the opensuse mailinglist or here earlier :-) |
20:11.15 | user-land | this is one of the most persistent and frequent bugs of KDE3 |
20:11.50 | tinin | yeah I don't know why |
20:12.02 | tinin | Is there a bug filled for it? |
20:12.16 | user-land | no idea :-) |
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20:12.33 | tinin | I don't care, I'll use kde4 |
20:12.40 | user-land | ok :-) |
20:12.57 | user-land | is there a way to end the session of the other user now ? |
20:13.07 | tinin | dolphin seems very promiding |
20:13.26 | tinin | user-land: : reboot |
20:13.30 | tinin | easier |
20:13.35 | user-land | but dolphin placed a text file in every directory it visited, tinin ... |
20:13.40 | alsuren | user-land the best way to debug these kinds of problems is "does it work with a fresh user" |
20:14.00 | tinin | user-land I dinn't know that |
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20:14.05 | user-land | right, alsuren. |
20:14.15 | alsuren | then "rename the appropriate part of .kde, and copy across" |
20:14.29 | user-land | tinin, let it show you invisible files |
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20:15.01 | user-land | alsuren, the key was knowing the appropriate part of .kde, which you did :-) |
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20:15.03 | tinin | user-land i think you're wrong |
20:15.26 | tinin | at least it doesn't so in kubuntu |
20:15.31 | lilltiger | where do i report bugs for kde 4? |
20:15.39 | lilltiger | bugs.kde.org? |
20:15.40 | alsuren | user-land: no I didn't: I just used find .kde | grep mime |
20:15.45 | tinin | lilltiger sure |
20:15.47 | user-land | you get no .directory files, tinin ? |
20:15.48 | lilltiger | or is that just for 3.5.x |
20:15.54 | tinin | user-land no |
20:15.59 | user-land | wow, alsuren, great :-) |
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20:17.46 | DaSkreech | lilltiger: b.k.o is fine |
20:18.14 | lilltiger | thought it's horrible slow at the moment |
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20:19.14 | user-land | tinin, do you tell it to remember view per directory ? |
20:19.17 | DaSkreech | lilltiger: COuld be a bug :-\ You should report it :) |
20:19.35 | tinin | user-land no, maybe that it |
20:19.41 | tinin | it is |
20:19.45 | user-land | yes. |
20:19.58 | user-land | messy ... |
20:20.56 | tinin | I'm not sure what to do, to use dolphin in kde3 or to use the kde3 taskbar in kde4... |
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20:21.22 | tinin | could the kde3 taskbar be used in kde4... |
20:21.24 | tinin | ? |
20:21.34 | tinin | kicker |
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20:22.33 | SSJ_GZ | tinin: I think so, yes. |
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20:23.31 | tinin | SSJ_GZ do I need to do anything weird? kde4 has few configuration options... |
20:23.53 | tinin | do I need to edit a text file somewhere? |
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20:24.10 | SSJ_GZ | tinin: Yeah, you'll have to quit plasma and hack the panel out of the config file. Then re-run plasma, and run kicker. |
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20:25.23 | tinin | I wonder why kde people did not add the funtionalities already done in svn to the plasma taskbar |
20:26.13 | SSJ_GZ | tinin: They weren't done at the time of release. |
20:26.23 | tinin | no |
20:26.29 | tinin | I think they were |
20:27.44 | tinin | look SSJ_GZ, at least this is old http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/while-cats-away.html |
20:28.09 | SSJ_GZ | tinin: It post-dates the release of 4.0 |
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20:28.56 | tinin | SSJ_GZ yah, but not 4.0.1 |
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20:29.10 | tinin | It would have been nice |
20:29.24 | grzesiek | hi |
20:29.26 | SSJ_GZ | tinin: Ah, I see. That feature introduced new strings, and so would break string freeze. |
20:29.52 | tinin | do you mean internationalization? |
20:30.10 | SSJ_GZ | tinin: Plus, branches/4.0 is supposed to be feature-frozen. There are rumours that some kind of extra configurability will be added to a 4.0.x release, though :) |
20:30.13 | SSJ_GZ | tinin: yep |
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20:30.51 | tinin | I wouldn't care to see a message in english |
20:30.58 | tinin | another |
20:31.26 | tinin | I use it in spanish and kde still has a lot to be translated |
20:31.26 | aseigo | tinin: combination of a few things, really. |
20:31.36 | tinin | haha |
20:31.51 | tinin | thanx aseigo for your presence |
20:32.29 | aseigo | tinin: i'd like to look at a "super merge" maybe at the end of this month or next... i'm wary of doing too many merges of this magnitude though |
20:32.39 | aseigo | tinin: it's annoying for everyone (translators, release team, me ;) |
20:32.49 | aseigo | tinin: july isn't that far off either, tbh |
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20:34.32 | tinin | aseigo we are impatient, its just that we could use kde4 much better with a functional taskbar, even if there are other important bugs |
20:35.03 | Alethes | aseigo: I think you should spend more time on the things that bother me personally |
20:35.05 | Alethes | :D |
20:35.11 | Alethes | since I pay you so much |
20:35.11 | Alethes | haha |
20:35.18 | dan007 | Hi to all! |
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20:35.23 | Alethes | btw, hey dude |
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20:35.54 | dan007 | I need a little help with servicemenus in konqueror (kde 3.5.8) |
20:35.55 | nixternal | Sho_: Yakuake + KDE 4.0.1 == The Win! Excellent job! |
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20:36.24 | aseigo | Alethes: hehe. i'll be right over to cut your grass. |
20:36.33 | Alethes | haha |
20:36.58 | Alethes | you picked a great time of year to make yourself so useful :P |
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20:37.30 | Sho_ | nixternal: cool |
20:37.35 | tinin | well, bye all, I feel like talking with bill gates today |
20:37.43 | dan007 | My problem is: I see my servicemenus only on the desktop not in konqueror |
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20:38.27 | dan007 | but I have copied my servicemenus both in my home and sytem wide.. |
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20:40.24 | PhilRod | dan007: can you give an example of one of the servicemenus you've installed? |
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20:41.05 | dan007 | I made a servicemenus to resize my picture |
20:41.30 | lilltiger | When reporting a bug for konqueror in kde 4, and a find the same bug, but marked as resolved in kde 3. Do I make a new bugreport for it, or do i comment on the kde 3.x one? (later sounds a bit strange due to the big difference in the code for em) |
20:41.34 | dan007 | I see it and work great with my picture on the desktop, but I did'nt see it in konqueror |
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20:42.29 | dan007 | In dolphin i can see it and work too |
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20:43.35 | dan007 | I read the guide for servicemenus on kde dev. |
20:43.52 | PhilRod | dan007: have you restarted kde since you installed the servicemenu? (Perhaps you've got a preloaded konq lying around that hasn't picked up the changes?) |
20:43.58 | PhilRod | although that's a bit of a longshot |
20:44.05 | dan007 | yes, restarted few time |
20:44.13 | PhilRod | ok |
20:44.57 | dan007 | the only place I don't see it is in konqueror |
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20:46.03 | PhilRod | do you have any other servicemenus? do they work in konq? (as you can probably tell, I don't really have any ideas, just random guessing :-/) |
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20:46.10 | skounis | hi, can i make kicker use large icons? |
20:46.57 | in0de | anyone used both k9copy and k3b for ripping DVDs and if so which would you say in your opinion is best |
20:47.34 | DaSkreech | yakuake is ported ? |
20:48.36 | dan007 | yes some servicesmenue don't appear in konqueror but appear on the desktop |
20:48.52 | dan007 | servicemenus taht came with kdeaddons |
20:49.00 | lilltiger | i feel a bit responnsible for the greatness of yakuake :D |
20:49.25 | dan007 | but some appears too in konqueror like Set as wallpapers |
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20:49.49 | lilltiger | fixed a majpr bug in kuake an very soon there after alot of new inoative version of kuake appeared |
20:49.59 | lilltiger | major.. |
20:50.33 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Sure, for quite some time |
20:51.05 | DaSkreech | Sho_: No Konversation yet? |
20:51.11 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: nope |
20:51.20 | DaSkreech | 4.1 timeline or 4.0.2 ? |
20:51.48 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: "When it's done" |
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20:52.07 | skounis | hi, can i make kicker use large icons? |
20:52.31 | DaSkreech | Sho_: OK |
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20:53.02 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Your distro has a "yakuake-kde4" package |
20:53.35 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Haven't looked yet I'm getting ready to foramt and install KDE4 |
20:53.58 | lilltiger | Sho_: are you the maintainer of the current yakuake? :) |
20:54.41 | dan007 | thanks for your help PhilRod ;) |
20:54.44 | texnofobix | so in .1 we can resize the panel? |
20:54.52 | texnofobix | its too big for my tastes as it stands now |
20:54.54 | DaSkreech | I might miss Konversation. I'm sure going to miss basKet though |
20:54.55 | Sho_ | lilltiger: Yes, as well as the author of the majority of the code in the KDE 3 version and all of the code of the KDE 4 version |
20:55.00 | PhilRod | skounis: just change the size of the panel - the icons will change with it |
20:55.27 | jose | DaSkreech: you may use both konversation and basket in kde4 (I do use them) |
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20:55.39 | texnofobix | hrmm |
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20:55.42 | texnofobix | basket, whats that? |
20:55.43 | DaSkreech | jose: I'm doing a pure KDE4 |
20:55.46 | lilltiger | Sho_: nice, great app been using it for several years now |
20:55.49 | PhilRod | dan007: hrm, I'm pretty much out of ideas, sorry |
20:55.59 | jose | DaSkreech: ah ok |
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20:56.37 | dan007 | no probleme ;) |
20:56.48 | lilltiger | Sho_: are you a gentooian? :) |
20:56.50 | skounis | i want them really big and they don't change along after "large" |
20:56.56 | dan007 | thanks |
20:56.58 | Sho_ | lilltiger: yep, for the last 5 1/2 years |
20:57.11 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: You can use Konversation and Basket in KDE 4, too |
20:57.25 | texnofobix | I've never heard of a "gentooian" before |
20:57.37 | DaSkreech | Sho_: I'm doing pure KDE4 |
20:57.43 | lilltiger | Sho_: nice, did you use the org kauke? |
20:57.44 | DaSkreech | no KDE3 libs |
20:58.00 | DaSkreech | Mooo |
20:58.01 | Sho_ | lilltiger: nope, Yakuake was my first drop-down terminal emulator |
20:58.12 | Sho_ | (aside of Quake :-) |
20:58.34 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Hm, I have a feeling you're going to reconsider that ;) |
20:58.38 | lilltiger | Sho_: ahh ok, im a bit curius on how the yakuake project started :) |
20:58.56 | lilltiger | but guess you wasent the starter of it then :) |
20:59.16 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Why? |
20:59.35 | PhilRod | dan007: could you send me one of the servicemenus that isn't working in konq? I can take a look and see if it works here |
20:59.41 | PhilRod | phil@kde.org |
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21:00.15 | Sho_ | lilltiger: I actually can't really tell you. It was originally started by Francois Chazal, who later abandoned it for lack of time. Since I enjoyed using it and wanted to enhance/fix a number of things (which was difficult because Francois was hard to contact), I took over with his blessing and imported it into KDE Extragear, fixed the build system, made it localizable, and, well, developed it for the last 2+ years |
21:00.18 | maluta | How can I set my "kicker" in kde 4, I added the "Application Launcher" and "System Tray" widgets, but they are disposed as icons, not in the bottom bar. I've searche systemsetting but didn't found. |
21:00.48 | Sho_ | I did contribute some patches to it before taking over, but I wasn't there in the "first hour" |
21:01.00 | skounis | someone, plz? |
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21:01.21 | dan007 | Yes PhilRod..I send it were ? |
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21:02.39 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Personally, the panels and desktop aren't really there for me yet, and given that I'm not really willing to go "pure" and give up certain 3 apps - and thus I'm currently running a KDE 3 desktop and selected KDE 4 apps rather than the other way around |
21:02.50 | PhilRod | dan007: phil |
21:02.52 | DaSkreech | WHich 3 apps ? |
21:02.54 | PhilRod | d'oh |
21:02.58 | PhilRod | dan007: phil@kde.org |
21:03.03 | dan007 | dac ;) |
21:03.05 | dan007 | 1min |
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21:03.44 | DaSkreech | skounis: Yes? |
21:04.11 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Amarok, kdepim (e.g. Akregator), Konversation, KRename, Kopete, K3b, KCacheGrind, .. |
21:04.13 | dan007 | Hold on..I think I've found the trouble |
21:04.40 | dan007 | miss a ";" at the end of Actions line |
21:04.50 | dan007 | working now....Sorry ;) |
21:04.52 | dan007 | lol |
21:04.58 | PhilRod | ah, cool :-) |
21:05.00 | DaSkreech | Akregator doesn't work in KDE4 ? |
21:05.17 | dan007 | and now, myu other work too.....feww |
21:05.19 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Some of those are partially ported, but not to a degree where they can really be relied upon yet |
21:05.22 | dan007 | loll |
21:05.22 | lilltiger | Sho_: ahh, well why im curius is cause i might have been the father of it :) Back in the old days like 5-6years ago i came a cross i nice app called kauke. Thought it had one flaw, the dropdown was very buggy/dident work at all.. I tried to contect the author, but no answere, so a made an bugfix and submitted it to the auhor.. but still no fix emerged.. so i spoke with a maintainer of gentoo and he agreed to add the patch to the gentoo repo (althought this |
21:05.22 | lilltiger | isent the normal way to patch major bugs). |
21:05.23 | Sho_ | That said, YMMV :) |
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21:05.33 | dan007 | thanks Phil..Your help is very appreciated ;) |
21:05.44 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Of those Kopete I think I can't do without though I have been playing with centerim |
21:05.56 | PhilRod | dan007: no problem. Glad you found the solution :-) |
21:06.09 | lilltiger | Sho_: and in just a few weeks/months alot of new "kaukes" started to appear :) |
21:06.19 | dan007 | yep ;) |
21:06.29 | DaSkreech | Sho_: So far basket is more sorest loss |
21:07.02 | Sho_ | lilltiger: Well, Yakuake is not a derivative of the Kuake codebase, that much I can say |
21:07.25 | Sho_ | lilltiger: But I presume Francois as inspired by it, hence the ame |
21:07.30 | Sho_ | *was |
21:07.37 | jose | DaSkreech: if you use basket for mind maps, you may like Vym, its already been ported to qt4 |
21:07.51 | DaSkreech | Vym Eh? |
21:07.52 | lilltiger | Sho_: yhee not much to get inspired by when it wasent working at all :D |
21:08.09 | skounis | DaSkreech: can i make kicker use very large icons? |
21:08.21 | DaSkreech | skounis: Where? |
21:08.27 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: BasKet is cool, but the UI is a bit too fiddly for me and overall it doesn't really support my workflows - I have some ideas for my own note-taker, but not the time :) |
21:08.32 | jose | DaSkreech: http://www.insilmaril.de/vym/ |
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21:08.54 | DaSkreech | Sho_: *coughcough* #basket-devel *cough* |
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21:09.40 | lilltiger | Sho_: but he might have started it before my fix, hard to know for me :) |
21:09.52 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: We'll see - as you know I have to take care of Konvi first, which wouldn't be helped by taking on more stuff :-) |
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21:10.32 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Speaking very selfishly :) I can use irssi I guess I'll look at vym but basket :'( |
21:10.32 | Sho_ | lilltiger: I'm not really sure of the timeline either |
21:10.56 | DaSkreech | Sho_: at the shortest end of the stick you can share your ideas with them they may be able to include it |
21:11.21 | DaSkreech | jose: You have a review of it? |
21:11.21 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: yeah, I guess. I know the maintainership situation was in limbo a while ago; do they have a new team together now? |
21:11.45 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Yes they are very silent though. They have a small mailing list and that chan but they have very strange hours |
21:12.17 | lilltiger | Sho_: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79794 was later then i thought.. 2005 :) |
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21:13.41 | jose | DaSkreech: no, I dont |
21:13.49 | DaSkreech | never used it? |
21:14.01 | nuyao | hey there, ive got a little problem: i just wanted to scan a document with Kooka, but i just can chose image file formats. How can i add scan to pdf? |
21:15.22 | skounis | DaSkreech: for application launcher |
21:15.40 | jose | DaSkreech: yes, I have. I guess it dependes on what you want to achieve with basket. if it is mind-maps, then vym may be the tool for you |
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21:16.58 | DaSkreech | skounis: Good question I've never tried |
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21:17.20 | DaSkreech | jose: Kinda mindmapping Sort of like really disorganized connected notes |
21:17.31 | DaSkreech | jose: Thanks I'll play with it |
21:18.27 | fengshaun | how can I disable KGet in KDE 4? |
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21:20.11 | confusim | hi |
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21:20.49 | confusim | i tried searching for the "show desktop"-button, but i failed |
21:21.01 | confusim | do i need some specific applet for it? |
21:21.38 | thiago_home | kde 4, right? |
21:21.51 | jose | confusim: it is available as a widget, just go to top right |
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21:22.22 | jaredp | hi |
21:22.24 | DoctorPepper | Is there any kde-based software for drawing circuits ? |
21:22.39 | jaredp | anybody there? |
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21:23.00 | jaredp | hello? |
21:23.05 | DaSkreech | hi |
21:23.09 | jaredp | sup |
21:23.12 | pinotree | DoctorPepper: ksimus |
21:23.18 | jaredp | who are you? |
21:23.20 | DaSkreech | hi |
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21:24.53 | confusim | ok, jose..can you tell me which one there? :) |
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21:25.33 | jose | confusim: I am in kde3 right now, but I guess its 'Show Desktop' or something similar. Use the filter with the keyword 'desktop' |
21:25.35 | DoctorPepper | pinotree: thanks |
21:26.09 | confusim | k.. well, i am in kde4 and search turns up with nothing |
21:26.15 | confusim | better look deeper |
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21:26.52 | _Vic_ | hi everyone |
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21:28.38 | jose | confusim: it may depend on your distribution, I am in opensuse and it is available |
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21:30.49 | wilfred | I'm getting very weird messages about pen drive capacity - can anyone tell me what's going on? It's a 2GB usb stick: http://www.maj.com/gallery/whjudoka/KDE/pndisk.png |
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21:33.45 | gourdin | using konqueror 4.0.1 |
21:34.06 | gourdin | clicking on a link, konqueror display a dialog asking me how to open the link |
21:34.12 | gourdin | I choose konqueror |
21:34.26 | gourdin | then, it'll open a new window for every link click |
21:34.40 | gourdin | any workaround ? |
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21:36.00 | lilltiger | gourdin: konqi -> settings -> config konqi -> open as tab in existing.. |
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21:37.58 | gourdin | lilltiger: a screenshot will do it |
21:40.37 | gourdin | lilltiger: http://www.lanterne.org/konqueror_4_0_1_link_bug.jpg |
21:40.44 | gourdin | I just click on a link |
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21:41.36 | lilltiger | gourdin: ohh so it does that for links pressed inside konqueror? |
21:42.52 | gourdin | idem: yep |
21:42.55 | gourdin | lilltiger: yep |
21:43.26 | idem | damn i too close from l, eh ? |
21:43.33 | gourdin | =) |
21:43.35 | gourdin | idem: sorry |
21:43.39 | idem | np :) |
21:43.51 | lilltiger | gourdin: hmm then i have no idea :( |
21:44.01 | gourdin | ok, I've done my "bug reporting job" for today |
21:44.11 | gourdin | 'night ppl |
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21:51.44 | Mirrakor | I've a question: How can I install the SVN version of ktorrent? (I already checked out http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/network/ktorrent/ ) |
21:52.04 | olle_ | :s |
21:52.28 | DaSkreech | Mirrakor: compile? |
21:52.44 | Mirrakor | yes, but how? I see it uses cmake |
21:54.51 | olle_ | Mirrakor apt-get install svn, and do a "checkout" on kde's server |
21:55.10 | olle_ | then ./configure and make should be enough |
21:55.12 | Mirrakor | yes - but can I only install one program? |
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21:55.28 | olle_ | it should be possible |
21:55.47 | olle_ | by entering the program's directory and run make and make install |
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21:56.12 | olle_ | but you need to prepare and configure the whole package as usual |
21:56.21 | Mirrakor | (it uses cmake) |
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21:57.48 | marccollin | hi |
21:57.51 | olle_ | is there any reason not to run the ordinary gnu make? |
21:57.53 | marccollin | is there a irc for ktouch? |
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21:58.26 | olle_ | morcollin: i guess that's here |
21:59.04 | marccollin | ok, so i search information to create ktouch keyboard layout (dead key) |
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22:01.45 | pinotree | marccollin: #kde-edu |
22:01.51 | marccollin | ok thanks |
22:02.25 | Mirrakor | I get this error, when I try to cmake: http://de.pastebin.ca/893110 |
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22:04.31 | smileaf | Mirrakor: make sure you have kdelibs 4 installed? |
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22:05.48 | maluta | I deleted the KDE menu launcher, how can I restore it in the plasma bar? |
22:06.17 | cbr | maluta: add a new plasmoid |
22:06.26 | cbr | and then drag it from the window to the bar |
22:06.34 | cbr | there's a menu plasmoid |
22:07.22 | maluta | cbr, plasmoid is a desktop widget? |
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22:08.32 | Mirrakor | smileaf: they're installed |
22:09.40 | cbr | maluta: yes |
22:09.54 | smileaf | Mirrakor: check if that file exists? if so where? |
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22:15.17 | Mirrakor | found it - the package I need was libkde4-devel :) |
22:15.28 | maluta | cbr, I know this is strange: I "Add Widget", for example: Application Launcher. When I try to drag it to the bar I just moved it to the bottom of the desktop |
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22:16.14 | x1bncwn | how do i create a new kickoff start button, supposing i have 3 .png files and i want to make then an animation, or .mng file to use as new kickoff button, what tool would i use |
22:16.46 | jose | x1bncwn: gimp? |
22:16.58 | x1bncwn | i cant figure gimp out |
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22:17.58 | x1bncwn | i have 3 images of the button in different states (pressed,normal,hover) id like the hover image to flash on hover and the pressed image shows when pressed |
22:18.01 | x1bncwn | i cant get this done |
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22:20.01 | cbr | maluta: as i said.. drag it from the window |
22:20.03 | cbr | dont add it |
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22:22.56 | in0de | can anyone here recommend a good DVD ripper? |
22:23.29 | maluta | cbr, it works, sorry for my misunderstanding, thanks |
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22:26.53 | olle_ | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118961#c17 |
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22:27.19 | olle_ | developers, i ask you for opinions on how to solve that bug |
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22:29.36 | SSJ_GZ | olle_: #kde-devel |
22:30.08 | Jucato | SSJ_GZ: actually let's try to reproduce his bug first :) |
22:30.16 | SSJ_GZ | :) |
22:30.26 | lenscape | most of the KDE books for sale on Amazon are nearly 10 years old. There isn't much later than 1999 and I found nothing later then KDE 2 |
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22:30.44 | Jucato | it seems to be an old bug... and I can't reproduce it... yet... |
22:30.52 | Jucato | lenscape: yep. there isn't |
22:31.09 | kniolet | :-/ there really needs to be a KDE4 book i think |
22:31.42 | Jucato | care to write one? :) |
22:31.46 | kniolet | maybe for 4.1 |
22:31.46 | kniolet | lol |
22:31.48 | kniolet | hmmmm |
22:31.59 | kniolet | i dunno, maybe its not a bad idea |
22:32.10 | Jucato | olle_: I can't seem to reproduce your bug in KDE 3.5.8. do you have any specific steps? |
22:32.16 | lenscape | I might ring a few publishers tomorrow. I could write one |
22:32.23 | Jucato | kniolet: it's not. the only problem really is who's going to write it :) |
22:32.32 | Jucato | (and what would be in it) |
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22:33.03 | Jucato | most of those KDE books are "how to develop in KDE" books... |
22:33.03 | kniolet | well i think kde4 will attact a certain number of new-to-linux people |
22:33.27 | Jucato | that'd be a different kind of book then :) |
22:33.30 | lenscape | we need low-level users books |
22:33.36 | kniolet | so a "this is how to use kontact to manage your email" and "this is how to use kopete to im" kind of book may be good |
22:33.57 | Jucato | (but maybe you can also help with making the KDE 4.x docs first :D) |
22:34.21 | j-b | hello *<tab> |
22:34.58 | DaSkreech | j-b: Well done :) |
22:34.59 | kniolet | heh yeah maybe i will do some for kontact for 4.1 |
22:35.15 | kniolet | not sure whats already done there, will have to check it out first |
22:35.16 | Jucato | that'd be great :) |
22:35.26 | Jucato | #kontact is the place to be for that :) |
22:36.21 | kniolet | yep, i live in that chanel too |
22:36.39 | Jucato | :D |
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22:38.51 | olle_ | brb |
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22:45.52 | olle_ | ok i'm back |
22:45.56 | olle_ | sorry for that |
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22:46.35 | olle_ | i have kde 3.5.6 on kubuntu feisty 7.04 |
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22:48.32 | kniolet | Jucato: ok added "look into kontact documentation" to my todo list for tomorrow :-) (its much too late for all that right now) |
22:48.36 | olle_ | all i do is that i start konqueror, navigate to any well used folder with lots of subfolders (such as my 3 gb home dir), |
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22:49.33 | olle_ | have already enabled "folder icons reflects content" in the view menu, and while the folder icons are still loading i type anything in the filter field |
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22:50.22 | olle_ | i can reproduce it on a 100% basis both with this computer and on gnewsense with 3.5.2 |
22:51.07 | Jucato | how about a much more recent version of KDE? I can't reproduce it on 3.5.8 |
22:52.15 | olle_ | i couldn't find any bug report about it, so i assumed it was still there |
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22:54.40 | olle_ | i'm really curious about how you solved it. |
22:55.16 | olle_ | it seems hard since it involves not only a plugin, but also an ABI |
22:56.21 | olle_ | with c++, does an ABI break if you modify a class, such as adding a signal or slot, or is it no problem? |
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22:56.38 | dan007 | Hi ! |
22:56.43 | olle_ | hi |
22:56.51 | dan007 | ;) |
22:57.11 | dan007 | I need help for a small thing.. |
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22:58.22 | dan007 | I use Compiz and I want to not see each software in taskbar on each side of my cube ?? |
22:58.44 | PhilRod | dan007: best to ask in #compiz , I think |
22:58.48 | smileaf | dan007: not a KDE question, #compiz |
22:58.53 | dan007 | ok good PhilRod... |
22:58.57 | dan007 | tahnks ;) |
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22:59.14 | dan007 | thanks |
22:59.19 | kniolet | olle_: as a general rule it does break but there are some exceptions, like private implementation slots which i believe do not |
23:00.01 | olle_ | :( |
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23:01.11 | tom_ | hi all, is there a way i can find the ip address of a contact on kopete/msn plugin? |
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23:02.09 | Mrrrr | msn doesnt send client IP's unless there is a direct transfer |
23:02.10 | kniolet | olle_: you could always svn diff between the versions and find what changed to see if it was actually fixed in the code and if so, how |
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23:03.03 | olle_ | kniolet: svn diff? diff my current build dir against what? the trunk? |
23:03.08 | tom_ | Mrrrr like a file transfer? |
23:03.14 | Mrrrr | easiest way would be to send the person a file (if you're friendly), hope it uses p2p (i.e they have a happy router that doesnt force it to server)... then watch the tcp connection |
23:03.19 | Mrrrr | yeah tom |
23:03.38 | kniolet | olle_: maybe i understood wrong, didnt you say it was fixed in a newer version? |
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23:03.58 | Mrrrr | there isnt an actual area to get the IP tho... so that manual way will prolly be the fastest :P |
23:03.59 | olle_ | somebody else said |
23:04.01 | tom_ | Mrrrr ah right, and i need to forward some ports now.... back to the kopete website, thanks for the help, wondered why i kept getting microsoft ips with iptraf :D |
23:04.52 | kniolet | ah well yeah just diff the version you have against the one they say works (unless i am still mising something) |
23:04.58 | olle_ | tom i think there is a tool called lsof, that yuo can use with grep to find the ports and ips for a process |
23:05.02 | Mrrrr | Ohhh - I have nooooo idea if kopete even supports msn p2p... check that first :O |
23:05.06 | olle_ | not sure if there's a better way |
23:05.11 | Mrrrr | I know thats how the Miranda-IM port does it |
23:05.27 | Mrrrr | err.. not port... the plugin for grabbing MSN IP's |
23:06.07 | tom_ | im just using iptraf to monitor the traffic, i just couldnt get any packets sent directly to him |
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23:08.07 | tom__ | sorry, im back, i can monitor the traffic with iptraf, i just need some packets sent to him directly, the file transfer may work |
23:09.09 | Mrrrr | yup - its your best bet |
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23:09.49 | tom__ | PhilRod that ruins the fun :D |
23:09.54 | tom__ | Mrrrr ok, ill have to sign off irc to calm the traffic down a bit, but ill be back! :D |
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23:13.52 | skounis | hi, after i run kpersonalizer, alt+f2 doesn't work. i tried fixing it from compiz but nothing. what can i do? |
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23:14.25 | smileaf | skounis: last I knew alt+f2 didn't work with compiz but I could be wrong. |
23:14.38 | smileaf | to open the run dialog that is.. |
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23:18.43 | skounis | well, it did on me |
23:19.07 | skounis | just stopped after i ran the kpersonalizer |
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23:26.37 | LnxSlck | hello all |
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23:27.05 | LnxSlck | after install flash player.. everytime konqueror opens a site that has flash.. nspluginviewer eats 100% of my cpu |
23:27.12 | LnxSlck | anyway to solve this? |
23:27.45 | exodus | hmmmm |
23:27.55 | exodus | i dunno :? |
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23:29.52 | jose | LnxSlck: kde4 or kde3? |
23:30.58 | LnxSlck | jose, kde3 |
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23:31.17 | LnxSlck | jose, i have to remove that plugin from konqueror |
23:31.39 | jose | LnxSlck: probably its a problem specific to your distribution |
23:31.42 | LnxSlck | is it possible to see websites that have flash with konqueror? |
23:31.52 | jose | LnxSlck: i see them all the time |
23:31.55 | LnxSlck | jose, but i installed flash from adobe.com |
23:32.08 | LnxSlck | i don't see how that has something to do with my distro |
23:33.27 | jose | LnxSlck: I think latest flash from adobe is buggy |
23:33.39 | jose | LnxSlck: try to use a package from your distro |
23:33.41 | LnxSlck | jose, that could be it |
23:34.08 | LnxSlck | jose, flash is buggy... nvidia driver too... damn |
23:34.41 | jose | LnxSlck: at least kde is working fine ;) |
23:35.06 | LnxSlck | jose, yes.. looking forward to kde4 |
23:35.25 | LnxSlck | jose, too bad gmail doesn't fully support konqueror though |
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23:36.01 | jose | LnxSlck: it does, you just need to change browser identification to IE or firefox |
23:36.27 | LnxSlck | jose, i was saying full support.. without that.. |
23:37.04 | troy | that's not a huge problem though - well, the chat stuff doesn't work in konq anymore (it did a year ago) |
23:37.30 | jose | troy: I use the chat stuff through kopete (jabber account) |
23:38.11 | troy | I end up using google stuff in firefox on account of google docs... it's the only thing I ever load firefox for anymore... |
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23:39.25 | jose | troy: internet banking only works here with firefox, for everything else I use konq |
23:40.15 | troy | my bank works just fine in konq, although it has a compatibility warning on the page |
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23:48.12 | MISNI | hello |
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23:48.47 | MISNI | what is the name of the program to integrate image folder view |
23:48.50 | MISNI | on konqueror |
23:48.51 | MISNI | ? |
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23:49.14 | DaSkreech | gwenview? |
23:49.36 | troy | DaSkreech: I think there was a slideshow icon view |
23:49.43 | troy | DaSkreech: might be in kde-addons |
23:49.53 | MISNI | kuickshow! |
23:50.03 | DaSkreech | Your icons can be a slideshow? |
23:50.08 | DaSkreech | why is that useful? |
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23:59.29 | troy | DaSkreech: it was a file view that was useful in folders that only contained images... XP has something similar as well |
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23:59.54 | DaSkreech | Hmph |
23:59.59 | grownler | please, somebody knows one chanel where I can find brazilians that use KDE and translate it |