| 00:00.05 | c-101 | (and it works, unlike the release) |
| 00:00.30 | Platyna | Keep bouncing. |
| 00:00.30 | Platyna | ;) |
| 00:00.31 | DaSkreech | cavine? |
| 00:00.33 | MoonSwan | cavity i'm sure. |
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| 00:00.36 | DaSkreech | I'm honured to have one of those |
| 00:00.40 | Platyna | Yeah cavity. |
| 00:00.59 | c-101 | Well, i'm leaving, see you people |
| 00:00.59 | Platyna | It is 1 am here and I have to fix my KDE stuff, because I will need it at work tommorow. |
| 00:01.02 | Platyna | ;] |
| 00:01.11 | DaSkreech | Platyna: Where do you work? |
| 00:01.22 | Platyna | You don't want to know. |
| 00:01.24 | Platyna | ;-) |
| 00:01.29 | c-101 | Poland |
| 00:01.31 | c-101 | :P |
| 00:01.34 | anabain | him in debian sid, after last upgrade, I cannot enter kde session as user. Initialization doesn't work... any ideas (I've restarted kdm from command line but nothing)?) |
| 00:02.02 | DaSkreech | My Office is Linux centric |
| 00:02.07 | DaSkreech | not KDE friendly :-P |
| 00:02.08 | Platyna | Mine too. |
| 00:02.15 | Platyna | But KDE friendly. |
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| 00:02.27 | Platyna | I am HPC admin. :P |
| 00:02.33 | DaSkreech | they like having a machine with konqueor on it though |
| 00:02.57 | DaSkreech | Each person individually likes a single KDE app |
| 00:03.03 | Platyna | Yeah using wild hacks to make kde apps works on their poor 31337 xfce. |
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| 00:03.08 | DaSkreech | but none of them want to install it |
| 00:03.24 | DaSkreech | I think only one used xfce |
| 00:03.32 | Platyna | Because KDE guys screwed up a little performance in KDE 2.x |
| 00:03.35 | DaSkreech | after like 2 months gave up and went back to gnome |
| 00:03.38 | Platyna | And it got bad P.R. |
| 00:04.05 | ex87 | anabain: maybe try to clear settings? (dont forget to backup important stuff) |
| 00:04.19 | Platyna | Remove your .kde dir. |
| 00:04.28 | Platyna | KDE4 not started for me until doing so. |
| 00:04.38 | Platyna | It was hanging after login. |
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| 00:04.57 | Platyna | I am telling the truth. |
| 00:04.58 | Platyna | ;] |
| 00:05.05 | anabain | Platyna, then it'll probably be better to create a new fresh new user... |
| 00:05.11 | danf_1979 | Platyna: maybe ~/.kde4 ? |
| 00:05.15 | Platyna | Just make a backup. |
| 00:05.17 | Platyna | Od .kde. |
| 00:05.37 | Platyna | danf_1979: I can't see any ~/.kde4 here. |
| 00:05.55 | Platyna | But as I know Debian folks they could do some wild hacks for it. |
| 00:06.17 | ex87 | i have all settings in ~/.kdesvn |
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| 00:06.49 | wesley | hi in plasma i got by the digital time uu:05 but that should be 01:05 and plasma seems not to load at startup my background someone knows to fix the first and maby second i use kubuntu ewith kde4 |
| 00:06.52 | Platyna | Debian + IA64 = >;( |
| 00:08.06 | pinotree | wesley: using some translation? |
| 00:08.12 | wesley | dutch yeah |
| 00:08.21 | Platyna | pinotree: You are a KDE dev? |
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| 00:08.31 | pinotree | that's sort of fault of the dutch translation, you should report them |
| 00:08.37 | pinotree | Platyna: yup |
| 00:09.01 | wesley | where ? and can i not set only plasma digital clock on englisch? |
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| 00:09.02 | Platyna | pinotree: Could you do that the app icons size will fill the size of the panel instead being so small? |
| 00:09.16 | lewis | hi |
| 00:09.20 | lewis | k4 |
| 00:09.22 | Platyna | And what is the progress of Kmail? Will it be ready in 4.0.1? |
| 00:09.24 | pinotree | uh? |
| 00:09.24 | lewis | I asked you how did you know that I had to use mplayer -vo x11 |
| 00:09.28 | lewis | and why is that my external monitor could not display videos |
| 00:09.32 | DaSkreech | Platyna: $.1 |
| 00:09.34 | DaSkreech | 4.1 |
| 00:09.38 | Platyna | Okay. |
| 00:09.39 | Platyna | ;] |
| 00:09.42 | lewis | Im sorry I was eating, I missed all you sad and i can't scroll up...that's xchat |
| 00:09.46 | DaSkreech | out in a year :-P |
| 00:09.55 | danf_1979 | Could someone give me a hand with this? I was doing a: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, and got an error and I need help: http://pastebin.ca/raw/854117 |
| 00:09.55 | Platyna | Kmail out in a year huh> |
| 00:10.02 | danf_1979 | aaa wrong channel |
| 00:10.34 | wesley | pinotree do you know something from my second problem then ? |
| 00:10.39 | lewis | k4, if you're still her halla |
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| 00:11.54 | pinotree | wesley: no, you cannot set just the clock to be in english... |
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| 00:12.12 | wesley | should i mail kde-i18n-nl@kde.org for the fault? |
| 00:12.26 | DaSkreech | wesley: or jump in #plasma |
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| 00:13.19 | Platyna | pinotree: I asked you two questions. ;) |
| 00:13.36 | pinotree | what was the second one? |
| 00:15.31 | pinotree | Platyna: ^ |
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| 00:24.17 | Qrawl_ | When I right-click a folder in Dolphin and choose to open with Amarok, Dolphin & Amarok crash |
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| 00:24.28 | ralph | Hi there |
| 00:24.29 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | realy? |
| 00:24.33 | pinotree | that's "integration" :D |
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| 00:24.44 | pinotree | root__: hey! don't irc as root! |
| 00:24.45 | DaSkreech | Wolf vs aquatic mammal? |
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| 00:25.23 | Qrawl_ | When I click an audio file in Dolphin, Dolphin & Amarok crash |
| 00:25.37 | Qrawl_ | whats wrong |
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| 00:27.14 | Qrawl_ | oh well |
| 00:27.35 | Qrawl_ | Ill just open files from inside Amarok for now |
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| 00:29.35 | cishpix | hello everybody, I want to know, can KDE-Four-Live install to HD?? |
| 00:29.38 | ralph | Is there an easy way to query kontacts addressbook from a bash? like get_name <phonenr> |
| 00:30.08 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | Qrawl_: what's Amarok? |
| 00:30.24 | VoksD | After I installed 4.0, 3.5.8 lost a lot of icons (in the menu.. most of them, in fact), 3.5 uses Konqy 4.0 for a default browser and Konqueror 3.5 is missing the search bar. What do I re-install to get this back to norm? |
| 00:30.31 | ralph | SsJ_Naruto-Vash: Audioplayer/manager |
| 00:30.50 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | is it any good? |
| 00:30.50 | Qrawl_ | ... |
| 00:30.57 | JamesB192 | cishpix: Yes, but you're asking the wrong question. |
| 00:31.00 | Qrawl_ | are you serious |
| 00:31.01 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | (I use xmms or mplayer) |
| 00:31.34 | cishpix | JamesB192: Can I know what's wrong?? |
| 00:31.50 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | i <3 mplayer |
| 00:32.17 | ralph | SsJ: I use xmms to just play litte files, but use Amarok for my collection |
| 00:32.24 | DaSkreech | SsJ_Naruto-Vash: if you want to manage music it's probably the best one |
| 00:32.26 | DaSkreech | bar none |
| 00:32.29 | Platyna | Finally on old, usable and damn fast KDE. |
| 00:32.30 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.40 | VoksD | ralph: dcop calls, maybe? Don't ask me how, as I've never used kontact, but I know you can do dcop calls to every KDE app from the command line like: 'dcop kontact' |
| 00:32.40 | DaSkreech | Platyna: 1.0 :) |
| 00:32.45 | Platyna | At least I have a nice wallpaper after all that compilling. |
| 00:32.49 | Platyna | DaSkreech: 3.3.8. |
| 00:32.50 | Platyna | ;] |
| 00:32.52 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | i have playlists for xmms... it uses the same playlist extentions as winamp, so I have the same playlists in windowze ans linux |
| 00:33.01 | JamesB192 | Oops, I misinterpreted. No. I thought you were asking if you could install KDE4 to your fixed disk. |
| 00:33.08 | VoksD | ralph: That should spit back out what kontact allows you to call from the commandline. I've found most good KDE apps allow for very intimate interaction with it's functions that way. |
| 00:33.26 | Qrawl_ | where is the wallpaper kept |
| 00:33.35 | ralph | Voks: thx, didnt thought to that direction... |
| 00:34.00 | JamesB192 | If it's the KDE4 based livecd I have, I'd have to ask why you would want to. |
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| 00:34.18 | anabain | Platyna, I've tried to create a new user and got the same problem... moreover, there isn't a .kde dir in this new user... |
| 00:34.52 | cishpix | JamesB192: so... u mean that KDE-Four-Live can't install to HD except in other distro, isn't it? |
| 00:35.58 | anabain | but there are another . dirs, such as .bash_logout, .gconf, .ICEauthority, .gnome2, etc. |
| 00:36.12 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | anabain |
| 00:36.56 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | if you don't have the files that begin with .bash, the user account won't be able to use commands... some of those things are required by linux ;) |
| 00:37.04 | Platyna | anabain: Oh well, on my user removing the ~/.kde helped. |
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| 00:37.08 | Platyna | Anyway i am back on KDE3. |
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| 00:37.47 | ForzaPalermo | hey guys how do i get a fully kde 4.0 system ... i have 3.5 now, but i want to unistall it and have kde 4 as my primary gui withoiut having to select it from the logon screen |
| 00:37.51 | ForzaPalermo | i am using kubuntu |
| 00:38.19 | VoksD | ForzaPalermo: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php |
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| 00:38.38 | VoksD | ForzaPalermo: Don't count on it as a user system yet, it's not finished or stable. |
| 00:38.45 | ForzaPalermo | i know |
| 00:38.47 | anabain | Naruto. I have them. My problem is that after last upgrade in deb sid I cannot enter kde session as user, kde won' t initialize |
| 00:38.55 | ForzaPalermo | but those directions do not get rid of kde 3 |
| 00:39.01 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | hmmm |
| 00:39.15 | anabain | and I'm on kde 3.5.8 |
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| 00:39.19 | ForzaPalermo | i want to have a fully functional kde 4.0 system |
| 00:39.20 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | you should tru copying your .kde dir into the user skeleton |
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| 00:39.27 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | try* |
| 00:39.33 | Sho_ | ForzaPalermo: Gotta ask in #kubuntu, it's a pretty distro-specific question and they'll know best |
| 00:39.38 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | to make it a default for new users |
| 00:39.38 | pinotree | ForzaPalermo: kde 4.0 cannot fully replace kde 3.5 |
| 00:39.39 | DaSkreech | ForzaPalermo: you probably don't want to get rid of KDe3 just yet |
| 00:39.45 | ForzaPalermo | i hve no answers :( |
| 00:39.52 | VoksD | ForzaPalermo: I don't think you know if what you want is "a fully functional KDE4" ;) |
| 00:39.57 | ForzaPalermo | well then how do i have it boot up with kde 4 |
| 00:39.59 | VoksD | ForzaPalermo: It's not fully functional. |
| 00:40.04 | ForzaPalermo | withoiut having to select it at the logon screen |
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| 00:40.22 | VoksD | er.. Just select it at the logon screen and that'll be the default choice for the system from then on? |
| 00:40.23 | Sho_ | ForzaPalermo: The login screen should usually pre-select what you selected the last time |
| 00:40.51 | ForzaPalermo | even if i choose to auto logon?> |
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| 00:41.05 | Platyna | Okay some offtopic... |
| 00:41.08 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | Froza: if you want KDE4 by default (not having to select it in login), I suggest installing Ubuntu and installing KDE4 manually, instead of using Kubuntu and overwriting KDE |
| 00:41.16 | pinotree | Platyna: hm, nope :> |
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| 00:41.29 | anabain | pinotree, do you know what could be causing my problem: I'cannot enter my kde session as user (any of them) after having upgraded deb sid. I've also created a new user and there is no .kde dir, but there are .bash and other... |
| 00:41.38 | Platyna | pinotree: Hmm? |
| 00:41.39 | Platyna | ;) |
| 00:41.56 | pinotree | anabain: try with a newly created user |
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| 00:42.37 | DaSkreech | VoksD: Everyone wants a fully functional KDe4 |
| 00:42.40 | DaSkreech | Well nearly everyone |
| 00:42.44 | VoksD | yeah |
| 00:42.52 | Platyna | I just want Kmail and movable icons. |
| 00:42.53 | Platyna | ;) |
| 00:43.02 | Platyna | And with decent size. |
| 00:43.07 | Platyna | pinotree: What nope? :) |
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| 00:43.09 | wesley | kde4 is functional |
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| 00:43.19 | DaSkreech | wesley: fully functional |
| 00:43.27 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | anabain: if you don't have a .kde dir, I think KDE3 is supposed to create the dir automatically and run you through the wizard at logon... |
| 00:43.32 | wesley | 99% |
| 00:43.39 | DaSkreech | :-) |
| 00:43.47 | anabain | pinotree, I've created that new user, :) |
| 00:43.56 | DaSkreech | that's not full! |
| 00:44.33 | Sho_ | Platyna: The icons are movable in trunk |
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| 00:44.36 | anabain | SsJ_Naruto-Vash, then where is the problem? What is KDE 3 not doing that it was supposed to do and why it does not do it? :-) |
| 00:44.42 | Platyna | Sho_: Nice. ;) |
| 00:45.01 | troy_ | you know - half the complaints I've been seeing about KDE 4 in the last few days are coming from kubuntu users who are missing the non-core modules... |
| 00:45.09 | Sho_ | Platyna: However, if you rotate them by 90° so are the move axis, i.e. if you move your mouse sideways it will move up/down ;) |
| 00:45.09 | Thundercloud | Is anyone here aware of a bug with konqueror where proxy settings do not work? |
| 00:45.11 | Platyna | And what about their size fitting the panel size, because after my small critics pinotree ignores me. |
| 00:45.15 | Platyna | ;) |
| 00:45.34 | troy_ | Sho_: that's a funny funny bug :) |
| 00:45.37 | Sho_ | Platyna: you mean if you put 'em on the panel? let me check .. |
| 00:45.37 | Thundercloud | in kde4 that is |
| 00:45.39 | Sho_ | troy_: yeah :) |
| 00:45.42 | pinotree | Platyna: i cannot help too much about plasma, (luckly) i'm not a plasma developer... |
| 00:45.48 | anabain | btw, which is the login X program in kde 3, if any? |
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| 00:46.01 | troy | anabain: kdm |
| 00:46.03 | VoksD | anabain: kdm |
| 00:46.04 | SsJ_Naruto-Vash | anabain: kdm> |
| 00:46.12 | Sho_ | anabain: "login X program"? The graphical login manager is kdm; the session startup script is startkde |
| 00:46.35 | anabain | then what could be wrong related to my problem? |
| 00:46.38 | Platyna | pinotree: Ok. ;) |
| 00:46.55 | Platyna | Sho_: Yes, when I put them on the panel they are smaller than the rest of things on the panel. |
| 00:46.55 | Sho_ | Platyna: Files/folders @ panel work & look fine for me with trunk |
| 00:46.59 | Platyna | Which looks plain silly. |
| 00:47.14 | matteo | kmd4 doesn't works for me |
| 00:47.22 | Thundercloud | nobody? |
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| 00:47.28 | Platyna | And I have solved KDE4 being darn slow by compilling it with ICC. |
| 00:47.28 | matteo | it says error just after entering the pass and press enter |
| 00:47.37 | matteo | it says to look in kdm log |
| 00:48.02 | Sho_ | Platyna: http://www.eikehein.com/panelicons.png <- #1 and #2 are icons, #3 is the device notifier Plasmoid |
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| 00:49.52 | DaSkreech | Sho_: is it movable in the branch? |
| 00:49.56 | Platyna | Sho_: Yes, add to it eg. Battery monitor. |
| 00:50.53 | anabain | Sho_, could my problem be related to startkde? how can I check it? |
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| 00:52.34 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: I don't know, sorry, I'm running trunk - but most Plasma fixes are being backported into the branch atm |
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| 00:52.50 | DaSkreech | Sho_: laptop> |
| 00:53.25 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Workstation |
| 00:53.35 | DaSkreech | damn :-) |
| 00:53.46 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Why? Is it eating battery? ;) |
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| 00:55.30 | DaSkreech | Dunno I was on a live cd which eats battery anyway |
| 00:55.38 | DaSkreech | but it's much quieter than vista |
| 00:55.55 | DaSkreech | I can't read the battery monitor in plasma panel though |
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| 01:00.58 | wesley | is there a app to learn germanys? |
| 01:01.12 | DaSkreech | Parley |
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| 01:02.44 | Qrawl_ | KDE4 is currently slower on my computer than KDE3 |
| 01:03.13 | Sho_ | Qrawl_: That's to be expected - optimization comes later :) |
| 01:03.18 | Qrawl_ | ok |
| 01:06.44 | aroedl | KDE 4.0.0 SLOC count: http://pastebin.ca/854162 |
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| 01:07.39 | Sho_ | aroedl: How was KDE 3.5s? :) |
| 01:08.08 | aroedl | I don't konw. |
| 01:08.22 | aroedl | Some day I should do that. |
| 01:08.44 | Sho_ | I had assumed you had posted that earlier because you're doing a comparison ;) |
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| 01:09.10 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, trying to build KDE4 kdemultimedia, it says it can't find FLAC, but I have flac installed. |
| 01:09.19 | aroedl | Sho_: Takes quite som time to put the data together. |
| 01:09.56 | astralsin | i have a bug to report, i just installed kde 4 in ubuntu gutsy, i was moving a desktop icon and suddenly the WHOLE desktop started to move around with it, just the desktop not the panel |
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| 01:10.34 | amason__ | astralsin: so the bug report is where ? launchpad or bugs.kde.org ? |
| 01:10.34 | scruggsj | Does anyone here no anything about unsermake? I need to use it for a project. |
| 01:10.45 | Digital_Pioneer | astralsin: Sounds like a feature more than a bug, but I can't imagine what it would be good for. :P |
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| 01:10.55 | astralsin | i didn't know where to put it, i'll submit it now |
| 01:11.04 | astralsin | which would be the better place? |
| 01:11.05 | Digital_Pioneer | scruggsj: I've used it.... |
| 01:11.18 | SSJ_GZ | astralsin: This is fixed in SVN |
| 01:11.23 | astralsin | oh ok |
| 01:11.24 | amason__ | astralsin: yeh probably bugs.kde.org |
| 01:11.28 | amason__ | ah ok n/m |
| 01:11.29 | amason__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.46 | SSJ_GZ | astralsin: But in general, filing bugs == good :) |
| 01:11.49 | scruggsj | Digital_Pioneer: Can I have it in some directory without having to put it in $PATH? |
| 01:11.54 | astralsin | if its fixed then i wont spam it anymore :) |
| 01:12.16 | Digital_Pioneer | scruggsj: I can't imagine why not, but it's been a long time since I used it. Can't really remember much. |
| 01:12.35 | amason__ | astralsin: generally if you have a bug though, have a quick look in bugs.kde.org and see if it's been reported. if not just add one. Then at least you knwo the devs will find out about it |
| 01:12.44 | astralsin | i'm a long time gnome zealot but kde 4 is very nice, i'll have to give props to the dev team for this release |
| 01:12.46 | astralsin | gotcha |
| 01:12.46 | amason__ | as they don't look in irc for bugs |
| 01:12.54 | astralsin | will do |
| 01:13.28 | amason__ | yeh kde 4 is nice..still needs a bit more functionality before i'll be able to use it but i'm very excited |
| 01:13.48 | amason__ | it looks so purdy |
| 01:14.01 | scruggsj | Digital_Pioneer: I just want unsermake in a directory, call it directly, and let it do it's thing. I run it but I get a bunch of output: http://kde.pastey.net/80665 What does all that mean? |
| 01:14.52 | scruggsj | In case you are wondering, unsermake is the only thing that can compile kickoff for KDE3 nicely. |
| 01:14.56 | astralsin | i don't think it'll get me to switch from gnome, but its definitely better than the previous versions, once more people from the community get some themes, widgets, etc released then i may take another look |
| 01:15.16 | Digital_Pioneer | scruggsj: No idea, sorry. :( |
| 01:15.17 | astralsin | much more smooth |
| 01:15.35 | DaSkreech | astralsin: what would get you to switch? |
| 01:15.41 | scruggsj | Digital_Pioneer: Thanks though. :) |
| 01:15.46 | Qrawl_ | less options |
| 01:15.55 | Qrawl_ | sorry |
| 01:15.57 | astralsin | i don't really know, i'm really addicted to the gnome menu structure |
| 01:16.05 | DaSkreech | ha ha |
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| 01:16.21 | DaSkreech | new menu of course |
| 01:16.35 | DaSkreech | the apps/places/system ? |
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| 01:16.41 | astralsin | i am glad kicker is gone though, that's one of the things i really didn't like about previous versions of kde |
| 01:16.48 | astralsin | yeah |
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| 01:17.13 | tinin | Hey, how do I acces to krunner in kde4 please? |
| 01:17.26 | DaSkreech | alt+F2 |
| 01:17.28 | tinin | I mean, is it working? |
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| 01:17.36 | Digital_Pioneer | DaSkreech: Does it smell good? |
| 01:17.52 | loner269 | lol |
| 01:17.55 | Qrawl_ | it smells like... |
| 01:18.03 | Qrawl_ | victory |
| 01:18.06 | schnippi | :) |
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| 01:18.20 | DaSkreech | Digital_Pioneer: smells like .. coronaed feet |
| 01:18.20 | tinin | wichever key combination I asignate to krunner does not work for me :( |
| 01:18.22 | astralsin | hmmm... i may actually mess with coding some plasmoids and maybe customize a menu system that i like even better than gnome |
| 01:18.25 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL |
| 01:18.39 | Qrawl_ | yes thats the thing |
| 01:18.44 | tinin | Is katapult avaliable for kde4? |
| 01:18.50 | loner269 | i got a mistery tower it wont format it wont tell me whats wrong with it an its got xp home on it i think its part of why i cant get a linux on it |
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| 01:19.01 | DaSkreech | tinin: not yet |
| 01:19.14 | astralsin | having xp home on something will never prevent you from installing linux (or any other operating system( |
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| 01:19.14 | tinin | ok |
| 01:19.16 | Qrawl_ | the new KDE4 allows for unlimited possibilities |
| 01:19.16 | loner269 | any thoughts that will help to wipe it so i can put a real os on it? |
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| 01:19.40 | DaSkreech | astralsin: suppose it takes up all the space? |
| 01:19.45 | sabayonlive-7317 | I need help installing my wacom tablet |
| 01:19.48 | astralsin | loner269: delete the partition, install linux |
| 01:19.59 | loner269 | it wont take an install |
| 01:20.13 | loner269 | i tryd with sabayon and knoppix |
| 01:20.24 | loner269 | i got to wipe it but it wont let me |
| 01:20.29 | DaSkreech | Digital_Pioneer: just occurred to me |
| 01:20.32 | Qrawl_ | KDE4 development will explode exponentially now |
| 01:20.34 | astralsin | try with an OS that's supposed to be installed, not one that's meant to be a livecd :) |
| 01:20.46 | loner269 | even roadkill disk wipe dont get it to let me |
| 01:20.50 | DaSkreech | is the Gnome feet panel the equivalent of a kicker? |
| 01:21.07 | DaSkreech | Qrawl_: it will with 4.1 |
| 01:21.14 | astralsin | loner269: get the manufacturer's utility disk, if that won't let you format it then the drive is going bad |
| 01:21.19 | Qrawl_ | thats what I hate the most about GNOME... the foot |
| 01:21.34 | DaSkreech | Qrawl_: You are too picky |
| 01:21.37 | Qrawl_ | DaSkreech, why not now? |
| 01:21.39 | astralsin | Qrawl_: you can replace the foot with something else |
| 01:21.46 | loner269 | is ther a way to tell if its the hd? |
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| 01:21.56 | DaSkreech | Qrawl_: All the frameworks are not there |
| 01:22.01 | Qrawl_ | I like the feel of GNOME though |
| 01:22.04 | astralsin | yeah, run the hdd manufacturer's disk utility from a live cd :) |
| 01:22.07 | Qrawl_ | oh |
| 01:22.23 | DaSkreech | After 4.1 anything that we told you to imagine should be possible ( if not feasible) |
| 01:22.57 | Qrawl_ | ok |
| 01:23.07 | loner269 | ive never had this happen b4 its wierd ya know thats why i asked in here |
| 01:23.30 | loner269 | anything i plan on using has kde |
| 01:23.33 | astralsin | loner269: i've had it happen, nothing would let me delete partitions or format, the drive was going bad |
| 01:23.39 | DaSkreech | For example no decibel stuff is there yet |
| 01:23.48 | Qrawl_ | KDE will never be finished as long as there's imagination left in the world |
| 01:23.59 | DaSkreech | (I forget if nepomuk code is there) |
| 01:24.18 | Digital_Pioneer | Where do I get this QtTapioca thing? |
| 01:24.28 | loner269 | astralsin: ill be back ty |
| 01:24.29 | DaSkreech | Qrawl_: true for most software ;) |
| 01:24.34 | astralsin | np |
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| 01:24.37 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Nepomuk is there, but it's basically not used anywhere atm |
| 01:24.57 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Thats why I didn't use it as an example |
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| 01:25.35 | Qrawl_ | KDE menu should be like a map: Tomorrowland, Frontierland, etc |
| 01:26.10 | troy | hahaha |
| 01:28.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Where do I get this QtTapioca thing????? |
| 01:28.32 | astralsin | are there any docs on developing plasmoids? |
| 01:28.40 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Focus follows mind ;) |
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| 01:30.57 | Qrawl_ | yes |
| 01:31.07 | Qrawl_ | theres a wiki thing |
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| 01:31.19 | astralsin | i think i found it |
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| 01:31.26 | Qrawl_ | go to #Plasma |
| 01:31.33 | Qrawl_ | for the link |
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| 01:32.11 | astralsin | gotta run, later all |
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| 01:32.17 | DaSkreech | bye |
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| 01:44.09 | Lucifer | is it possible to write plasmoids in python, or is that still slated for a future version? |
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| 01:46.57 | DaSkreech | Were you here with the Borg^Queen? |
| 01:47.01 | tinin | how can I enable the tree view in dolphin? |
| 01:47.19 | Lucifer | sorta, I saw the Borg Queen talking |
| 01:47.20 | Lucifer | why? |
| 01:48.11 | DaSkreech | No reason :) |
| 01:48.11 | Qrawl_ | tinin, in KDE4? |
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| 01:49.09 | SSJ_GZ | Lucifer: Later version. Have you seen the screencast on Plasma scripting, BTW? |
| 01:49.24 | Lucifer | no, I haven't. Or maybe I have, depends on how old it is :) |
| 01:49.28 | poop | in KDE 4 on openSUSE 10.3, when I run Pidgin the icon for it in the system tray is bigger than it should be and I cannot see all of it, is there anyway to fix that? |
| 01:49.50 | SSJ_GZ | Lucifer: http://plasma.kde.org/media/plasma_scriptengine.avi |
| 01:49.58 | Lucifer | I found that as I got more excited by plasma, I got more frustrated that it wasn't here yet and just tuned out kde4 development from my life since I didn't have time to help, and I didn't want to deal with being frustrated ;) |
| 01:50.02 | SSJ_GZ | Lucifer: 29th Nov 07 |
| 01:50.17 | DaSkreech | SSJ_GZ: last year!! |
| 01:50.18 | SSJ_GZ | Lucifer: Hehe - OK :) |
| 01:50.32 | SSJ_GZ | DaSkreech: Yep - ancient history ;) |
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| 01:55.43 | Lucifer | ok, so where's the reference material for writing applets in javascript? |
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| 02:13.29 | Qrawl_ | new TV show: "Scott Baio is 46 and Pregnant" |
| 02:13.53 | Qrawl_ | thats the name of a real series |
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| 02:18.34 | DaSkreech | Good thing I burnt my TV |
| 02:19.19 | poop | if i wanted to make my own plasmoids for kde4, is there any guide or something that could help get me started? |
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| 02:20.05 | DaSkreech | Chani: Hiya |
| 02:20.21 | Qrawl_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.27 | Chani | hi |
| 02:20.50 | Chani | oh yeah... documentation... damn, I wanna do too many things at once |
| 02:21.11 | DaSkreech | Chani: What's the link for the plasma docs? |
| 02:21.19 | DaSkreech | Maybe we should just have it here in /topic ? |
| 02:21.31 | Chani | poop: there isn't much documentation yet, but there's a bit on techbase, and then there's the mailing list and #plasma for asking questions |
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| 02:22.02 | Chani | my blog post probably has the same amount of content as techbase when it comes to making plasmoids |
| 02:22.21 | Chani | http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma |
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| 02:22.57 | Qrawl_ | what is that empty icon plasmoid for |
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| 02:23.38 | Lucifer | oh right, there's a #plasma |
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| 02:28.40 | ganymede | =D |
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| 02:32.13 | Qrawl_ | wtf why dont I have the tiger plasmoid |
| 02:32.25 | Qrawl_ | or any of the others |
| 02:32.37 | Qrawl_ | I have hardly any |
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| 02:34.36 | ganymede | you are plamoid-void |
| 02:34.43 | ganymede | you are devoid...of plasmoids |
| 02:34.49 | Qrawl_ | plasmoid challenged |
| 02:34.57 | Qrawl_ | lol |
| 02:35.22 | DaSkreech | M.C. Escher |
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| 02:35.31 | DaSkreech | He's my favourite M.C. |
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| 02:35.49 | Qrawl_ | the steps guy |
| 02:36.18 | Qrawl_ | didnt he work on the Windows registry |
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| 02:42.36 | Chani | Qrawl_: some plasmoids live in extragear, some live in playground, some are scattered all around |
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| 02:42.55 | Digital_Pioneer | Where do I get QtTapioca? |
| 02:43.12 | Qrawl_ | what are those |
| 02:43.23 | Digital_Pioneer | Decibel needs it. |
| 02:43.26 | Chani | that sounds like something #qt would know more about |
| 02:43.42 | Chani | Qrawl_: they're places in the svn repo |
| 02:43.53 | Qrawl_ | http://extragear.kde.org/ |
| 02:45.01 | DaSkreech | Chani: Naw it's a pillar of KDE :) |
| 02:45.22 | Qrawl_ | http://plasma.kde.org/cms/1111 |
| 02:45.32 | Qrawl_ | get that up! |
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| 02:46.53 | Digital_Pioneer | !?!? Plasma APPLETS? What happened to Plasmoids? That sounds so much better! :P |
| 02:47.23 | fengshaun | same thing |
| 02:47.26 | Chani | "applet" is a class name within plasma. |
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| 02:47.56 | Chani | plasmoids are widgets. plasma can also use superkaramba widgets, and soon it'll take osx widgets too |
| 02:48.10 | Chani | why do we not have a plasma faq yet? |
| 02:48.18 | DaSkreech | corona :) |
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| 02:54.37 | Qrawl_ | and one plasmoid to rule them all... |
| 02:54.45 | Qrawl_ | I mean |
| 02:54.52 | Qrawl_ | and one plasmoid FAQ to rule them all... |
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| 02:58.31 | berniyh | Ormod: the FAQ could be a plasmoid, so your first statement was actually sort of true ;) |
| 02:58.56 | hikarutilmitt | am i losing my mind or is the svn really updating THAT often? |
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| 02:59.23 | DaSkreech | hikarutilmitt: can't it be both? |
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| 02:59.33 | juank---d-_-b | hi =) |
| 02:59.40 | juank---d-_-b | how are you ? =) |
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| 03:04.22 | illogic-al | back in kde3. It's good to be ome :-) |
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| 03:07.22 | juank---d-_-b | hehehe |
| 03:07.38 | illogical | ping |
| 03:07.48 | illogic-al | wow. massive lag. |
| 03:07.48 | juank---d-_-b | is kde4 still to mmm beta ? |
| 03:08.20 | ZeroUm | mmm? |
| 03:08.22 | illogic-al | juank---d-_-b: nah. I just rebooted into archlinux from ubuntu. |
| 03:08.23 | DaSkreech | mmm? |
| 03:08.47 | juank---d-_-b | mmm |
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| 03:09.05 | illogic-al | I only have rc installation of kde4 on my arch installation. ubuntu has close to the release version installed. |
| 03:09.08 | ganymede | hey, i invented the smiley that you are using in your nick |
| 03:09.36 | juank---d-_-b | my english sux so sometimes (actually much of the times ) i cant find the right words to express my self =\ |
| 03:09.46 | illogical | stop lying. |
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| 03:10.01 | illogic-al | yup. definitely much lag. |
| 03:10.07 | illogical | test |
| 03:10.14 | juank---d-_-b | mine ? so ? do you want money for it ? hahahaha |
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| 03:11.16 | ganymede | just letting you and feeling proud that my invention is widespread |
| 03:11.26 | ganymede | it was a while ago, i was just a little kid back then...lol |
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| 03:11.36 | illogic-al | heheh |
| 03:11.54 | Lucifer | man, I patented lag back in the 40 |
| 03:11.55 | Lucifer | s |
| 03:11.57 | Lucifer | 40s |
| 03:11.57 | juank---d-_-b | mmm =) |
| 03:12.02 | Lucifer | right after I patented typos |
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| 03:12.07 | Lucifer | luckily, the patents have expired |
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| 03:16.32 | mattl | super quick kde 4 question - is the toolbar supposed to be black, only it looks kinda broken? |
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| 03:17.05 | illogic-al | is there a misplaced comma in that sentence? |
| 03:17.23 | mattl | i don't think so. |
| 03:18.02 | mattl | is the toolbar supposed to be black? it looks kinda broken. |
| 03:19.23 | berniyh | mattl: do you have a xinerama setup? |
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| 03:20.48 | ben___ | I compiled KDE 4, but what does it expect me to use as an email client? |
| 03:21.09 | juank---d-_-b | kmail ? hahaha |
| 03:21.12 | berniyh | the one that you choose ;) |
| 03:21.16 | benzi | say and where do I get kmail? |
| 03:21.22 | benzi | shouldn't it be in kdenetwork? |
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| 03:21.31 | berniyh | benzi: kdepim is not part of kde4, so no kmail in kde4 |
| 03:21.36 | benzi | oh |
| 03:21.51 | benzi | so what's going to happen to kdepim? |
| 03:21.57 | berniyh | afaik kmail is in kdepim ;) |
| 03:22.06 | berniyh | it will be back in 4.1 |
| 03:22.11 | benzi | :( |
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| 03:22.20 | DaSkreech | pine! |
| 03:22.24 | hikarutilmitt | ben___: i dunno, thunderbird? ;) |
| 03:22.29 | benzi | I don't see why there was so much hype for kde 4 |
| 03:22.31 | juank---d-_-b | so you must use de kde3 kmail version, kmail is going to be ported one day i guess |
| 03:22.39 | berniyh | DaSkreech: why not alpine? ;) |
| 03:23.13 | juank---d-_-b | cuz de qt4 |
| 03:23.14 | juank---d-_-b | or firebird :P |
| 03:23.14 | DaSkreech | berniyh: I don't know al |
| 03:23.14 | berniyh | juank---d-_-b: it is already in svn |
| 03:23.14 | benzi | why promote kde 4 so much, it seems pretty incomplete |
| 03:23.20 | berniyh | why not? ;) |
| 03:23.24 | Roey | benzi: to get people to test it |
| 03:23.28 | rworkman | benzi: if you'd read *all* of the promo materials, you'd already have known that. |
| 03:23.30 | Roey | benzi: because they don't test betas. |
| 03:23.42 | Roey | benzi: but they /will/ send in bug reports for official releases. |
| 03:23.43 | benzi | ha, yeah, well, they tested betas, but what I am running rigth now should be a beta |
| 03:23.54 | Roey | benzi: aaron seigo wrote an illuminating essay on it |
| 03:24.01 | benzi | I see... link? |
| 03:24.04 | juank---d-_-b | what is in svn kmail ? good, but to install kde4 in my arch i need to update to testing and i dont want that so kde 3 is going to stay in my desk for a while :P |
| 03:24.10 | berniyh | www.google.com |
| 03:24.11 | rworkman | Anyone who's not had their head up their ass knows that this was intended mainly for developers and *interested* users not expected a replacement of kde3 |
| 03:24.27 | Roey | benzi: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/talking-bluntly.html |
| 03:25.58 | juank---d-_-b | can i (without touching konqueror source code) change de way "rename" option works in konqueror ??? |
| 03:26.07 | juank---d-_-b | *the |
| 03:27.29 | benzi | you know what, berniyh |
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| 03:27.31 | benzi | you're right |
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| 03:27.50 | Roey | benzi: did you read the essay? |
| 03:27.54 | benzi | and so is aaron siego |
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| 03:28.13 | Roey | ok |
| 03:28.15 | berniyh | i'm right? |
| 03:28.17 | benzi | say I read a good chunk of it |
| 03:28.22 | Roey | alright |
| 03:28.23 | berniyh | cool :) |
| 03:28.23 | benzi | say I meant roey |
| 03:28.29 | benzi | sorry, roey |
| 03:28.39 | Roey | I meant Roey |
| 03:28.40 | Roey | there, I said it |
| 03:28.47 | benzi | whoops, used to FICS |
| 03:28.48 | benzi | :P |
| 03:28.49 | berniyh | :) |
| 03:28.53 | Roey | FICS? |
| 03:28.58 | benzi | free internet chess server |
| 03:29.04 | benzi | whenever I see a console-based chat I think of that |
| 03:29.23 | benzi | I'm used to being at xboard and having to say "say" before every message I want to send to my opponent |
| 03:29.23 | berniyh | console-based chat is boring |
| 03:29.29 | berniyh | ii ftw |
| 03:29.33 | benzi | I knew I was going to do it once |
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| 03:29.45 | benzi | alright, well, I have to go |
| 03:29.46 | Roey | benzi: ah :) |
| 03:29.51 | Roey | well, good night benzi |
| 03:29.56 | benzi | good night to y'all |
| 03:30.11 | juank---d-_-b | :P |
| 03:30.33 | scruggsj | in KDE3, ark supported creating tar.gz, tar.bz2, and many others. How do I get that in KDE4's ark? |
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| 03:38.38 | Digital_Pioneer | *Sigh* More compiling woes. |
| 03:39.03 | Digital_Pioneer | kdenetwork doesn't detect QCA2, but I have it installed. Even pkg-config sees it as 2.0.0 |
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| 03:43.06 | test34 | Can you use kwallet with firefox ? |
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| 03:45.19 | Chani | test34: no. |
| 03:46.09 | Chani | huh. I won't if it's possible to write a firefox plugin to do that... |
| 03:46.16 | Chani | *wonder |
| 03:47.13 | Digital_Pioneer | Chani: Sounds like a question for #firefox :) |
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| 03:48.48 | Digital_Pioneer | Hey, anyone know why kdenetwork can't see my QCA2?? |
| 03:49.01 | Chani | Digital_Pioneer: well, I don't use firefox, so I don't really care :) |
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| 03:49.08 | Chani | Digital_Pioneer: oh yuck, that |
| 03:49.09 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL |
| 03:49.26 | Chani | Digital_Pioneer: ok, where exactly did you get qca, and what version? |
| 03:50.17 | Digital_Pioneer | Chani: Got 2.0.0 from http://delta.affinix.com/qca |
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| 03:50.53 | szymon_g | hi |
| 03:50.53 | Chani | Digital_Pioneer: me too. and it turned out to be qca *1* |
| 03:51.10 | Chani | Digital_Pioneer: use the version from kdesupport, even though you're told not to. |
| 03:51.37 | Chani | huh. mattr's not here. |
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| 03:52.56 | Bender | has anyone has success with Amarok transfering videos to an MTP device? |
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| 03:55.08 | Chani | Digital_Pioneer: hey, mattr's still saying that you should be able to make that version work with a plugin. |
| 03:55.23 | szymon_g | hi, i've got questions: how can i make these icons smaller? look http://img.wklej.org/v.php?id=34262zrzut%20ekranu1.png i'm using small font, i've a 1280x800px resolution so i need a bit more space. menu takes all display's widith :/ |
| 03:55.24 | Chani | Digital_Pioneer: if you're interested in trying that way come to #kde-devel |
| 03:55.46 | Digital_Pioneer | Chani: That way being writing code? |
| 03:55.52 | Chani | no |
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| 03:56.11 | Chani | that way being following mattr's instructions for installing whatever plugin he's talking about |
| 03:56.13 | szymon_g | this icons are to big, and i've not idea how to make them smaller. i've searched in options, but i didnt find it |
| 03:56.51 | Digital_Pioneer | Chani: And he's in #kde-devel? |
| 03:56.56 | Chani | yes. |
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| 04:05.00 | lewis | a problem I have, I cannot logout,shutdown or restart from the GUI |
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| 04:10.11 | ganymede | lewis: using kdm, or startkde? |
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| 04:13.05 | MuNzE | some1 know why my gdm crash after install kde4 from gnome....install yesterday everything was ok? |
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| 04:16.00 | aseigo | MuNzE: check for a backtrace .. perhaps a library got swapped under it unexpectedly. |
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| 04:25.13 | Phonomania | hi |
| 04:25.23 | berniyh | tztz, don't use your root account for irc ;) |
| 04:25.51 | berniyh | but hi ;) |
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| 04:27.24 | jarn | Where do I change the volume settigns in KDE4? |
| 04:28.06 | Chani | jarn: the easiest way is probably with kmix |
| 04:28.37 | Chani | unless you're talking about something like making sound effects quieter and music louder |
| 04:28.53 | jarn | I just want EVERYTHING quieter. |
| 04:28.57 | jarn | I'm almost deaf as-is. |
| 04:29.09 | jarn | Is there a specific kmix for KDE4? |
| 04:29.14 | jarn | Or just regular kmix? |
| 04:29.28 | Chani | there is a kde4 version, but both work fine |
| 04:29.48 | berniyh | aseigo: what i wanted to ask, i've got the situation, that on my test computer i've got analog sound output, but no digital sound output, is there some kind of standard way to get behind that issue? |
| 04:30.10 | aseigo | berniyh: for kscd? or? |
| 04:30.23 | berniyh | alsa is working, to clear that up first ;) |
| 04:30.35 | berniyh | for everything, that uses phonon |
| 04:30.48 | berniyh | so amarok, juk, the whole notifications system etc. |
| 04:30.56 | jarn | Well, now I'm not deaf. |
| 04:31.19 | aseigo | ah, dunno... sorry |
| 04:31.24 | berniyh | k |
| 04:32.22 | berniyh | i'll just file a bug ;) |
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| 04:36.12 | DaSkreech | hey aseigo did you check the URL thng for gwenview outside of vnc ? |
| 04:36.32 | aseigo | no... |
| 04:36.41 | DaSkreech | dang |
| 04:36.46 | aseigo | what url thing for gwenview outside of vnc? |
| 04:37.00 | aseigo | i remember trying it with remote url's yesterday, right? that worked. |
| 04:37.08 | DaSkreech | Yeah :-( |
| 04:37.25 | DaSkreech | does it have an open menu yet? |
| 04:37.31 | DaSkreech | file->open ? |
| 04:38.14 | jarn | Is it just me or are the a lot less options in systemsettings than there were in kcontrol? |
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| 04:38.23 | amason_ | hey guys, in kdevelop part of kde 4.0 ? |
| 04:38.27 | amason_ | is* |
| 04:40.06 | amason_ | and also is it possible to resize the task bar kicker thingo ? |
| 04:41.08 | Mek | amason_: no, no |
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| 04:41.47 | amason_ | Mek: thanks. |
| 04:42.14 | amason_ | 4.0 is so purdy |
| 04:43.30 | aseigo | and yet it's the ugliest it'll every be =) |
| 04:43.34 | jarn | Is it just me or is 4.0 laggy? |
| 04:44.06 | MuNzE | here 2 |
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| 04:44.36 | aseigo | jarn: compositing? |
| 04:44.37 | DaSkreech | aseigo: uglier than Alpha 2? :) |
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| 04:44.43 | jarn | aseigo: Nope. |
| 04:44.57 | jarn | aseigo: Or, at least, I don't THINK so. Everywhere I saw "desktop effects" it was turned off. |
| 04:45.04 | jarn | aseigo: And it was turned off in 3.5 |
| 04:45.33 | aseigo | jarn: well, this isn't 3.5 =) check in the kwin settings just to be sure |
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| 04:47.07 | jarn | aseigo: How do I check kwin settings in this Brave New KDE? |
| 04:47.33 | aseigo | jarn: right click on a window title bar, Configure Window Behaviour |
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| 04:48.05 | jarn | aseigo: They're turned off. |
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| 04:48.35 | jarn | aseigo: How do I edit the settings for the kicker, also? |
| 04:48.52 | aseigo | there is no kicker =) |
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| 04:49.02 | amason_ | jarn: yeh it's laggy for me too |
| 04:49.06 | aseigo | but yeah ... most settings are hidden within the app itself atm |
| 04:49.08 | jarn | aseigo: This thing that replaced the kicker. :P |
| 04:49.10 | amason_ | well just not as responsive as 3.0 |
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| 04:49.14 | amason_ | 3x |
| 04:49.25 | amason_ | prolly just needs optimizing i guess |
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| 04:50.18 | amason_ | i'm sure they will get round to that soon enough. I'm just impressed at how much they actually got working |
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| 04:50.58 | jarn | aseigo: Is there any way to get to the settings? |
| 04:52.05 | PeterFA | jarn, I love you. |
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| 04:53.39 | jarn | PeterFA: Okay... thanks. Why? :P |
| 04:54.18 | PeterFA | jarn, you are jarn in #kde, are you not? |
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| 04:55.02 | jarn | PeterFA: Yes. |
| 04:55.10 | jarn | PeterFA: This channel is #kde. |
| 04:55.26 | PeterFA | jarn, ok, then you are the one I love. |
| 04:55.32 | jarn | PeterFA: Okay. Why? |
| 04:55.36 | jarn | PeterFA: Your name sounds familiar. |
| 04:55.39 | PeterFA | I just told you. |
| 04:55.44 | DaSkreech | Dude don't question love |
| 04:55.53 | jarn | You love me because I'm in here? |
| 04:55.54 | jarn | I'm down. |
| 04:56.00 | PeterFA | ^_^ |
| 04:56.46 | SAS_Spidey01 | And I thought I was weird 8=) |
| 04:57.24 | jarn | No, it would have been weird had I asked him if he wanted to have sex. |
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| 04:57.48 | SAS_Spidey01 | lol |
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| 04:58.02 | jarn | Hrm. |
| 04:58.07 | jarn | I'm not sure what I think of the new KDE. |
| 04:58.43 | holycow | hey guys |
| 04:58.55 | SAS_Spidey01 | That reminds me, I still need to setup a distro with kde4 binaries for testing |
| 04:58.59 | holycow | just out of curiosity, how were the kde4 wallpapers decided upon? |
| 04:59.08 | holycow | they are ABSOLUTELY gorgeous |
| 04:59.22 | SAS_Spidey01 | I tried a Kubuntu LiveCD with KDE4RC2 but found it a bit lacking |
| 04:59.23 | jarn | It reminds me a lot of what I heard about Vista, actually. |
| 04:59.57 | jarn | A lot prettier, a lot laggier, with little change in features. |
| 04:59.57 | DaSkreech | jarn: Would you like a second hand opinion then? |
| 05:00.00 | DaSkreech | blessedbeef!! |
| 05:00.05 | holycow | goddamnit |
| 05:00.05 | jarn | DaSkreech: Go for it. |
| 05:00.10 | SAS_Spidey01 | jarn: last person I talked to was quite happy with the improved performance on their P3 |
| 05:00.11 | DaSkreech | Ha ha ha :) |
| 05:00.12 | holycow | when are we going to post that kde4 writeup |
| 05:00.13 | jarn | Anyway, it's still a great accomplishment. |
| 05:00.24 | holycow | so we can stop this dipshits comming in here and complaining because they don't have a clue? |
| 05:00.26 | jarn | And it's going to get better over time... unlike VISTA. |
| 05:00.27 | jarn | Haha. |
| 05:00.49 | SAS_Spidey01 | What interests me about kde4 is the new doc viewer and the new frameworks |
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| 05:01.00 | jarn | I haven't looked into it a lot yet. |
| 05:01.05 | holycow | you don't haveto |
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| 05:01.12 | holycow | all you need to understand its an open source project |
| 05:01.15 | SAS_Spidey01 | I know I deffo didn't like the Oxygen L/F I saw |
| 05:01.16 | holycow | NOT a product for sale |
| 05:01.23 | holycow | as an open source project YOU ARE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT |
| 05:01.27 | holycow | meaning stop being a bitch |
| 05:01.33 | jarn | Wait, when was I being a bitch? |
| 05:01.38 | holycow | and try to understand WHY AND HOW of the process and contribute back |
| 05:01.41 | SAS_Spidey01 | holycow: You are PART of the Development with Windows systems |
| 05:01.45 | jarn | Calm down, seriously. |
| 05:01.47 | Chani | jarn: I don't think so. you narrowly avoided it |
| 05:01.54 | holycow | SAS_Spidey01: unfortunately you are also payin for that too, indeed |
| 05:02.01 | SAS_Spidey01 | It is called 'bug me' phase haha |
| 05:02.11 | Chani | holycow: relax, he's not being a troll. |
| 05:02.20 | holycow | okay i shutup :) |
| 05:02.26 | holycow | sorry |
| 05:02.27 | Chani | unlike every other person who has mentioned vista and kde4 in hte same sentences |
| 05:02.38 | SAS_Spidey01 | haha |
| 05:02.47 | DaSkreech | holycow: I agree with jarn |
| 05:03.03 | holycow | mr. DaSkreech |
| 05:03.24 | DaSkreech | It's a drastic departure from previous KDE and will be approached with suspicion |
| 05:03.34 | holycow | i'm fine with that |
| 05:03.40 | DaSkreech | however Vista has lke 3-5 years for a new version |
| 05:03.44 | holycow | i'm also fine with people making a mistake and totally misunderstand |
| 05:03.57 | DaSkreech | KDE4 will improve by a large step ~ every 6months |
| 05:04.01 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.06 | holycow | what i'm not fine with is them acting like this is fricking redmond and crying like a bunch of babies |
| 05:04.14 | SAS_Spidey01 | DaSkreech: Who knows maybe Windows 7 will finally offer every thing Microsoft Cairo promised hehe |
| 05:04.29 | jarn | holycow: I don't understand what's wrong with stating the truth as I see it: It is laggier and prettier than KDE3, but I'm sure it will get better with time since it was just released. |
| 05:04.32 | holycow | DaSkreech: the thing about open source is that it levels the playing field between developers and users |
| 05:04.34 | DaSkreech | Which means that when Vista+1 comes out KDE4 will already be so far beyond it and stable and firendly and optimized it will be silly |
| 05:04.38 | jarn | holycow: I don't get how that makes me a "bitch" |
| 05:04.40 | holycow | it forces developers to extend their skillset |
| 05:04.53 | holycow | and at the same time rquires that the users put in an effort to 'understand' |
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| 05:05.25 | holycow | in a meritocracy its not acceptable for users to continue acting like the unthinking masses, they are invited to explore and develop together |
| 05:05.27 | DaSkreech | SAS_Spidey01: I also think that people forget how bad the Vista dev period was so they did pull off quite a bit |
| 05:05.28 | Chani | jarn: a lot of people have been making stupid remarks about kde4 and vista, and a lot of people are quite sick of this now. you just happened to hut a nerve there |
| 05:05.55 | holycow | jarn: sorry they are saying your not troll, so i'll go along with that. i over reacted. i'm sorry |
| 05:05.59 | DaSkreech | jarn: a lot :) |
| 05:06.04 | SAS_Spidey01 | DaSkreech: If I'm lucky I will get to avoid Vista too |
| 05:06.07 | holycow | jarn: because thats not the truth |
| 05:06.22 | holycow | jarn: thats a despicable way to look down on a project developed by a group of people for the love of it |
| 05:06.26 | DaSkreech | SAS_Spidey01: please do I've yet to find one truth in the promises made |
| 05:06.31 | holycow | it is to indicate how little you understand about open source |
| 05:06.39 | holycow | and how little you care to actually try and understand |
| 05:06.43 | holycow | let me get you a link |
| 05:06.46 | DaSkreech | holycow: It's an impression :) |
| 05:06.55 | DaSkreech | not a informed statement |
| 05:06.58 | DaSkreech | he said as much |
| 05:07.03 | DaSkreech | assuming jarn is a he |
| 05:07.08 | jarn | I am. |
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| 05:07.12 | SAS_Spidey01 | DaSkreech: to behonest, I don't think there is a lot of difference between Windows 3.x *through* Vista |
| 05:07.16 | holycow | lol well i didn overreact, and i am sorry for that |
| 05:07.18 | ZeroUm | KDE4 is a person presented to the world as a new born, Vista is another one who remained hidden until it's 20's. |
| 05:07.27 | SAS_Spidey01 | Not as far as the end user is concerned any way |
| 05:07.31 | DaSkreech | in any case jarn jump into #kde4-rants if you want to spill :) |
| 05:07.34 | DaSkreech | you two holycow |
| 05:07.39 | holycow | kde4 is exactly what it has to be, an early release |
| 05:07.46 | DaSkreech | s/wo/oo |
| 05:07.55 | holycow | what isn't clear to a lot of people is that you haveto release often |
| 05:08.04 | holycow | otherwise projects die as vapourware |
| 05:08.09 | jarn | I knew it was an early release and that's why I said I was sure it would get better over time. |
| 05:08.14 | Chani | holycow: yes, we know this :) |
| 05:08.14 | jarn | That, and that open source always does. |
| 05:08.18 | DaSkreech | SAS_Spidey01: That's true too but that's an actual policy |
| 05:08.21 | holycow | you get it as good as you can, put some caveats out there and EXPECT the users to be sensible |
| 05:08.35 | SAS_Spidey01 | DaSkreech: yes but it does get a little boring doesn't it? |
| 05:08.44 | berniyh | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109379 |
| 05:08.50 | berniyh | wow, that bug report is cool ;) |
| 05:08.51 | holycow | jarn: again, your not trolling so i am sorry |
| 05:09.01 | berniyh | "you're actually filing a bug against a TODO file? " |
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| 05:09.03 | DaSkreech | SAS_Spidey01: Not according to the marketing dept :) |
| 05:09.08 | jarn | Whatevski. |
| 05:09.16 | jarn | Obla-di, Obla-da, life goes on, bra. |
| 05:09.25 | SAS_Spidey01 | So far I would rather use a NeXTSTEP cube then the spawn of CP/M |
| 05:09.40 | SAS_Spidey01 | DaSkreech: the marketing department can kiss my C loving grits ;-) |
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| 05:10.09 | jarn | LOL |
| 05:10.12 | jarn | That's the greatest line ever. |
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| 05:10.21 | jarn | "you're actually filing a bug against a TODO file? " |
| 05:10.33 | SAS_Spidey01 | I remember I was once in a convo about innovation on the desktop |
| 05:10.33 | p4r0l3 | anyone else have kdm break w/ today's svn update? |
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| 05:10.50 | p4r0l3 | kdm freezes after I hit login after etc-updating my kdmrc file |
| 05:11.01 | SAS_Spidey01 | I posted screen shots of Windows 3 through Vista and it was remarkable lol |
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| 05:11.42 | DaSkreech | I actually have screenshots of all the windows 1.0 through to 7 |
| 05:11.46 | SAS_Spidey01 | At least there has been some change since TWM was the common window manager for X |
| 05:11.50 | holycow | with kde4, with whatever rough edges it has, i finally feel we are getting some ideas that we can really start to play with |
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| 05:12.00 | holycow | the plasma containers thing is sheer genious |
| 05:12.11 | holycow | i'm already thinking about how i can hook that into our intranet for example |
| 05:12.21 | DaSkreech | holycow: are you still ranting? |
| 05:12.46 | holycow | lol |
| 05:12.54 | SAS_Spidey01 | holycow: I doubt I will like using kde4 as much as kde3 but the internal changes are quite interesting |
| 05:14.08 | holycow | SAS_Spidey01: hard to know. plasma has quite a bit of stuff to bring forward so i guess we'll see |
| 05:14.32 | Chani | woo, I got juk to notcrash *and* play sound on hte first try today |
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| 05:14.45 | SAS_Spidey01 | I'm not expecting much at the moment from kde4 but the future looks very bright from where I sit |
| 05:14.47 | DaSkreech | SAS_Spidey01: how the heck can you come to that conclusion? |
| 05:14.53 | Chani | */ob-la-di, ob-la-da, life goes on...*/ |
| 05:15.05 | leandroal | is it possible to schedule a e-mail to be sent in a specific date/time using KMail client? |
| 05:15.24 | holycow | i can't wait to see what konq's switch to that apple render engine brings too |
| 05:15.29 | amason_ | leandroal: kalarm will do that |
| 05:16.02 | holycow | SAS_Spidey01: i've managed to replicate my gnome setup in kde4 already on a dual monitor setup so i am almost ready to start usin it at the office |
| 05:16.04 | SAS_Spidey01 | DaSkreech: KDE1 and KDE4 are surely quite different |
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| 05:16.26 | leandroal | amason_, good, I'll try it... thank you... |
| 05:16.29 | DaSkreech | SAS_Spidey01: not from screenshots :) |
| 05:16.41 | SAS_Spidey01 | haha good point DaSkreech |
| 05:18.39 | DaSkreech | SAS_Spidey01: so how do you come to the conclusion that you won't like KDE4 as much as KDE3 ? |
| 05:19.16 | SAS_Spidey01 | DaSkreech: because if the KDE4RC2 I tested is any thing like KDE4.0 out of the box I would much rather not upgrade ;-) |
| 05:19.23 | jarn | Hrm, how do I install fonts in KDE4 that I had previously installed in KDE3? |
| 05:19.45 | holycow | doesn't kde just poll the .fonts dir? |
| 05:19.48 | Chani | SAS_Spidey01: remember kde4 != kde4.0.0 |
| 05:19.53 | SAS_Spidey01 | I would describe the feeling as use kde3, code for kde4 |
| 05:19.58 | DaSkreech | SAS_Spidey01: thank goodness it's like a month older |
| 05:20.27 | SAS_Spidey01 | Chani: I don't really expect much beyond what I saw from RC2 for several more months |
| 05:20.35 | holycow | SAS_Spidey01: i think you have way too much time on your hands. you are way overanalyzing the situation |
| 05:20.38 | DaSkreech | SAS_Spidey01: Ha ha what was missing? |
| 05:20.56 | jarn | holycow: Oh, hah, yeah, it does - I just failed to notice the font on the list. |
| 05:20.56 | SAS_Spidey01 | DaSkreech: I was shocked by how much seemed 'gone' |
| 05:20.58 | holycow | if you are using ubuntu, you can just install it and you will have gnome/kde3/kd4 session options |
| 05:21.13 | SAS_Spidey01 | holycow: analyzing is my middle name ;-) |
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| 05:21.20 | holycow | SAS_Spidey01: lol |
| 05:21.32 | holycow | i'm not shocked by how much is gone |
| 05:21.32 | holycow | infact |
| 05:21.33 | TPC | hello, I'm trying kde4, but I'm having a strange problem |
| 05:21.43 | holycow | i am VERY pleased a lot of it is gone |
| 05:22.05 | TPC | desktop shortcuts to bring up desktop effects only works while the window to configure them is up |
| 05:22.06 | holycow | of course i run kde3 apps in kde4 right now but for the few kde4 apps its kind of nice to get away from the previous ideas |
| 05:22.10 | TPC | like the desktop grid for example |
| 05:22.15 | leandroal | amason_, and if I have the e-mails in kmail, is it possible to import it into kalarm? |
| 05:22.20 | TPC | when I close the settings window the shortcuts cease to work |
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| 05:22.59 | rworkman | SAS_Spidey01: 4.0.0 is quite a bit more improved than rc2, fwiw |
| 05:23.04 | holycow | TPC: i've noticed similar behaviour. i would say just because it is such an early release its more sensible to just wait for updates than spend time solving the problems |
| 05:23.10 | SAS_Spidey01 | holycow: I have always loved that many parts of kde3 exposed a lot of configuration options |
| 05:23.28 | TPC | holycow, ok, good that its not just me at least |
| 05:23.38 | holycow | SAS_Spidey01: what i'm hoping for is that that kde security project comes back online |
| 05:23.46 | holycow | so that we can start creating user profiles |
| 05:23.50 | DaSkreech | SAS_Spidey01: well just kick back till 4.1 then :) |
| 05:23.54 | SAS_Spidey01 | One of my biggest beefs with Windows systems has always been having to twist it's arm and break a few legs to make it match my work flow |
| 05:24.06 | amason_ | leandroal: no idea sorry |
| 05:24.06 | holycow | like a uber noob profile that has two buttons and an sas profile with everything spit out everywhere |
| 05:24.07 | SAS_Spidey01 | DaSkreech: actually I'm thinking more like 4.2 |
| 05:24.27 | holycow | SAS_Spidey01: for example, for our users, i could never ever use kde just because kde users love stuff everywhere |
| 05:24.34 | SAS_Spidey01 | I don't place so much empasis on version number, I mean the time-frame between releases I guess |
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| 05:25.22 | holycow | TPC: yeah its a 0.0 release, its meant to show that kde4 exists, its here and useable and that it's time to get the rest of the kde dev community to start moving forwards |
| 05:25.40 | Chani | SAS_Spidey01: kde releases generally are time based :) (4.0 being an exception) |
| 05:25.52 | TPC | holycow, should I report it as a bug, or do you think its already known? |
| 05:25.57 | holycow | Chani: are kde releases time based in the gnome sense, say every 6 months? |
| 05:26.05 | Chani | god, no wonder I never get anything done, I'm on irc all day |
| 05:26.15 | Chani | holycow: no, not that strict |
| 05:26.15 | holycow | or time based in the sense that the team leader picks a date and people scurry to meet that deadline? |
| 05:26.25 | holycow | Chani: lol |
| 05:26.28 | holycow | me too |
| 05:26.29 | Chani | yeah, more like that I think :) |
| 05:26.32 | SAS_Spidey01 | One thing I liked about Gnome when I tested it, |
| 05:26.35 | holycow | TPC: report it as a bug yes |
| 05:27.09 | SAS_Spidey01 | even through it felt like kid-gloves it had the great knack of staying the hell out of my way and letting me get work done |
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| 05:27.30 | holycow | SAS_Spidey01: thats why i had to deploy gnome at work |
| 05:27.41 | holycow | using kde3 is like playing with jello |
| 05:28.00 | holycow | you never know when you are going to do some damage on an accidental right click |
| 05:28.08 | SAS_Spidey01 | holycow: To each their own |
| 05:28.20 | holycow | on the other hand |
| 05:28.29 | holycow | we have run into some serious roadblocks with gnome |
| 05:28.37 | SAS_Spidey01 | For me, configurablilty has always been a major must because not every one has the same work flow |
| 05:28.44 | holycow | and its primarily because their design philosophy is too narrowly focused |
| 05:28.52 | holycow | they are focusing on simplicity at the expense of power |
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| 05:29.06 | holycow | when you can get the same thing with a simple policies framework and make everyone happy |
| 05:29.17 | holycow | so we are ditching it asap, hense my excitement about kde4 |
| 05:29.33 | holycow | SAS_Spidey01: precisely |
| 05:29.47 | SAS_Spidey01 | holycow: I know the level of simplicity is why I don't like Gnome |
| 05:29.54 | holycow | our secretaries have different needs and workflows from our executive admins from our front line workers |
| 05:29.58 | holycow | thats wher egnome fails |
| 05:30.04 | holycow | they apply a single philosophy to everyone |
| 05:30.08 | holycow | this is also where kde3 failed |
| 05:30.16 | holycow | they applied a single philosophy to everyone |
| 05:30.23 | DaSkreech | SAS_Spidey01: You can configure gnome |
| 05:30.47 | SAS_Spidey01 | Some one once said about UNIX |
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| 05:31.39 | SAS_Spidey01 | Some thing about Unix letting you do stupid things but also allowing you to do powerful things |
| 05:31.54 | holycow | no your completely misunderstanding the spectrum imho |
| 05:31.55 | DaSkreech | It's human! |
| 05:32.01 | holycow | there is the whole and then there is the subset |
| 05:32.22 | holycow | you are talking about the subset of features that you preffer as if they were the whole |
| 05:32.37 | holycow | the problem is that on the whole, how do you satisfy all the overlapping subsets of needs? |
| 05:32.51 | holycow | clearly an sas workflow requirement is not the same as our secretaries |
| 05:33.08 | holycow | which of course means, kde3 cannot be used by the secertary and gnome cannot be used by sas |
| 05:33.16 | holycow | its a tough problem to solve |
| 05:33.33 | SAS_Spidey01 | true holycow every one has different work flows |
| 05:33.59 | SAS_Spidey01 | But why can not a desktop environment be made to suit both ends of the picture ? |
| 05:34.07 | holycow | but as the article i read the other day pointed out, open source has come out as an option in 15 years against competitors that have 30 years on us in a place where we litterally have no money thrown at us |
| 05:34.18 | holycow | i think we can really do some remarkeable stuff going forward |
| 05:34.38 | SAS_Spidey01 | Aww, found the quote |
| 05:34.40 | SAS_Spidey01 | "UNIX was not designed to stop its users from doing stupid things, as that would also stop them from doing clever things." – Doug Gwyn |
| 05:34.48 | holycow | SAS_Spidey01: if you do a bit of research, it should be obvious that kde4 has some serious potential to do that |
| 05:34.58 | holycow | especially with the policies framework project, i forget its name now |
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| 05:35.07 | SAS_Spidey01 | holycow: agreed |
| 05:35.10 | holycow | kde starts with throw everything in the bucket |
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| 05:35.16 | holycow | which is exactly what we need |
| 05:35.20 | SAS_Spidey01 | But so far I think kde3 does it better ;-) |
| 05:35.33 | holycow | *sigh* |
| 05:35.38 | holycow | dude seriously i'm going to stop talking to you |
| 05:35.48 | holycow | :) |
| 05:35.50 | SAS_Spidey01 | Fine by me holycow, I need to get to work :-P |
| 05:35.55 | holycow | hehe |
| 05:36.00 | SAS_Spidey01 | code doesn't write itself, yet |
| 05:36.07 | zachary_ | would anyone happen to know if KDE4 will give the option of using Kconfig over the newer control panel? |
| 05:36.10 | holycow | :) me too |
| 05:36.12 | amason_ | leandroal: no idea sorry |
| 05:36.17 | DaSkreech | SAS_Spidey01: Yes it does |
| 05:36.21 | zachary_ | nice |
| 05:36.29 | DaSkreech | just needs some meta debugging |
| 05:36.36 | leandroal | amason_, thanks! :) |
| 05:36.44 | holycow | DaSkreech: that would be pretty remarkeable |
| 05:36.50 | SAS_Spidey01 | Haha DaSkreech |
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| 05:36.58 | amason_ | leandroal: sorry, i hit up a while ago then leaned on my keyboard accidentally |
| 05:37.00 | amason_ | :) |
| 05:37.35 | holycow | i guess one can almost say you can do this today with uml |
| 05:38.02 | DaSkreech | holycow: Link on the policy stuff? |
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| 05:38.37 | berniyh | anyone here using a xinerama setup with kde4? |
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| 05:39.54 | holycow | DaSkreech: i was referring to kde kiosk, only more powerfull and deeper integrated into the kde framework than whats in windows |
| 05:40.16 | DaSkreech | Ah I think I recall something about that |
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| 05:51.35 | jarn | My god, KDE4 is sexy. |
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| 05:52.24 | aroedl | :-) |
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| 05:57.08 | AbsintheSyringe | does anyone know how can I place "htop" output from console onto my kde desktop? |
| 05:57.31 | ganymede | wow, what a morbid nickname |
| 05:57.38 | AbsintheSyringe | :) |
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| 05:58.54 | ganymede | in kde4, i guess it'd be trivial to write a plasmoid to do that |
| 05:59.05 | ganymede | but i've never even touched kde4 |
| 05:59.36 | AbsintheSyringe | yeh, same here |
| 05:59.47 | AbsintheSyringe | I just want it "embedded" into my desktop |
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| 06:01.42 | AbsintheSyringe | better question |
| 06:02.04 | AbsintheSyringe | does anyone know how to "embed" any console output to my kde desktop |
| 06:02.46 | ganymede | kde web desktop? it's probably retartedly slow, and you'd have to write some sorta php script or something to print the output of a command onto a webpage while giving that webpage a background... |
| 06:03.07 | AbsintheSyringe | no no |
| 06:03.12 | AbsintheSyringe | no need for web or anything |
| 06:03.36 | AbsintheSyringe | it's just that I run "htop" all the time, I want to be able to see it on my desktop all the time, but no windows or anything |
| 06:03.42 | AbsintheSyringe | just placed on my desktop |
| 06:03.49 | AbsintheSyringe | or I'd like to place "df -h" too |
| 06:03.51 | AbsintheSyringe | and etc ... |
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| 06:04.00 | ganymede | there are some terminals that embed on your desktop, but i forgot their names, and whether they'd play nice with kwin |
| 06:04.19 | AbsintheSyringe | ah, can you please try remembering? |
| 06:04.41 | ganymede | it probably had the word "term" in it =) |
| 06:04.52 | AbsintheSyringe | heh (: |
| 06:05.04 | aroedl | AbsintheSyringe: How about yakuake ? |
| 06:05.33 | AbsintheSyringe | yea ... why not :D |
| 06:05.35 | aroedl | AbsintheSyringe: http://extragear.kde.org/apps/yakuake/ |
| 06:05.38 | AbsintheSyringe | tnx :) |
| 06:05.46 | aroedl | http://yakuake.uv.ro/ |
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| 06:06.18 | aroedl | It's better than nothing. You could also start a terminal in the X root window. |
| 06:06.22 | ganymede | hehe...i was thinking about yakuake but i didn't see how it'd be much different from just a konsole |
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| 06:07.04 | AbsintheSyringe | yea me too kinda |
| 06:07.25 | AbsintheSyringe | but I was defintely expecting to write some code or something, but yea yakuake :) |
| 06:08.05 | ganymede | konsole + full background transparency + no menubar + hide the window decoration + always on bottom... |
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| 06:16.49 | aroedl | Hm... How can I set the CFLAGS, CPPFLAGS, CXXFLAGS for cmake? |
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| 06:17.32 | ganymede | that soo sounds like a #gentoo question |
| 06:17.40 | ganymede | are you typing into the correct channel? |
| 06:17.54 | aroedl | :-) |
| 06:18.13 | aroedl | I'm positive, that this is the right channel. |
| 06:18.27 | aroedl | You obviously never built KDE from source, right? |
| 06:19.03 | amason_ | ganymede: cflags != useflags :) |
| 06:19.33 | ganymede | lol, i didn't know CFLAGS meant anything outside of gentoo =( |
| 06:19.44 | ganymede | which is embarassing on my part, since i set them all the time in kdevelop |
| 06:19.48 | aroedl | Wow. I'm sorry to hear that. |
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| 06:20.36 | ganymede | haha, i actually set CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS and friends, but only with the libtool/autoconf/automake chain |
| 06:21.12 | ganymede | anyway, i whoised you and saw that you were on like 15 gentoo channels, so i assumed you were playing with some experimental ebuilds |
| 06:21.47 | aroedl | :-) |
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| 06:22.17 | ganymede | where 15 = 3 |
| 06:22.22 | aroedl | Next time, I should leave all those gentoo channels and just join #ubuntu and #kde . |
| 06:22.38 | aroedl | ... or #apple ... :-) |
| 06:22.51 | amason_ | why apple ? |
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| 06:23.04 | DaSkreech | keeps the doctor away |
| 06:23.06 | aroedl | Just an idea. |
| 06:24.38 | aroedl | Guess it's cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS="whatever" -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS="whatever" |
| 06:25.02 | robbins61 | Anyone know naything of fedora packages in the works for fedora? |
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| 06:28.42 | mrtimbo | hi |
| 06:29.06 | eshen | hey |
| 06:29.59 | eshen | so what does everyone think of KDE4? |
| 06:30.35 | ganymede | eshen: there is a review on arstechnica.com |
| 06:30.45 | ganymede | eshen: otherwise, you can just view the comments on dot.kde.org |
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| 06:30.50 | DaSkreech | It's 1;30 |
| 06:30.54 | DaSkreech | Ah shoot |
| 06:30.54 | ganymede | aseigo: hopefully, with your clothes on |
| 06:31.06 | ganymede | hey, i am in the same timezone as DaSkreech |
| 06:31.08 | DaSkreech | ganymede: YOU hope? |
| 06:31.08 | ganymede | =D |
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| 06:31.41 | mandrigal | is k3b a cdrecord front end |
| 06:31.53 | aseigo | and about a dozen other apps, yes |
| 06:31.56 | ganymede | if you want it to be |
| 06:32.03 | aseigo | ganymede: psfht. clothes. |
| 06:32.21 | aroedl | aseigo: How can I set the CFLAGS in the new build system? I tried it with: |
| 06:32.27 | aroedl | cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS="whatever" -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS="whatever" |
| 06:32.35 | aroedl | But it doesn't seem to work. |
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| 06:34.38 | aseigo | aroedl: hrm.. CFLAGS="whatever" cmake ...? |
| 06:34.52 | aroedl | Doesn't work. |
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| 06:35.10 | aroedl | I see. I'll figure it out. Thanks. |
| 06:36.03 | aseigo | hm. yeah, afaik cmake is supposed to look for the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS env var... |
| 06:36.21 | aseigo | just export them and go.. |
| 06:36.21 | aseigo | could be wrong, though =) |
| 06:38.21 | aroedl | aseigo: It doesn't care about CFLAGS or CXXFLAGS env. It just ignores that. Whatever. I think I have to set CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS_DEBUG/_RELEASE/_RELWITHDEBINFO. |
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| 06:41.16 | aroedl | No wonder that it take so long to create the KDE4.0.0 ebuilds... |
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| 06:42.23 | aseigo | aroedl: wait you want this to control the debu levels/ |
| 06:42.27 | aseigo | er, debug levels? |
| 06:42.34 | aseigo | if so, there's a much saner way of doing that. |
| 06:42.56 | DaSkreech | bight |
| 06:43.42 | aseigo | -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE= ... with release, debug, debugfull, etc... |
| 06:43.51 | aroedl | cool! |
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| 06:45.01 | SSJ_GZ | aseigo: Hey! Is your MT talk being recorded/ uploaded, do you know? |
| 06:45.07 | aseigo | yes |
| 06:45.16 | SSJ_GZ | aseigo: Great! |
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| 06:47.16 | aroedl | Hm... Difference between -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE="release" and "debug" is that with release, it sets -O3 ... |
| 06:49.14 | eatThisAndDie | guys, how do i set the bahaviour for a window that receives an 'urgent hint'? |
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| 06:49.36 | aseigo | eatThisAndDie: what do you want to do exactly? |
| 06:49.44 | eatThisAndDie | rite now it blnks 3 times, |
| 06:50.07 | eatThisAndDie | i want it to blink infinitely or change color or something like that, |
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| 06:52.30 | aseigo | eatThisAndDie: right.. so.. you'll need to edit the taskbar rc file by hand for this |
| 06:52.58 | eatThisAndDie | any hints? pointers? point me to pointers? |
| 06:53.10 | aseigo | eatThisAndDie: open up your ktaskbarrc file and in the [Appearance] group put AttentionBlinkIterations=# |
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| 06:53.28 | aseigo | iirc some stupidly high number like 10000 (or greater) just means "forever" |
| 06:53.53 | aseigo | 1000 or greater |
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| 06:54.00 | aseigo | hooray for .kcfg files with documentation |
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| 06:54.43 | eatThisAndDie | um. whats the .kcfg? |
| 06:54.44 | aroedl | If anyone wants to know. It goes like this: cmake -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS:STRING="-O2" -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS:STRING="-O2" |
| 06:55.05 | aroedl | It is important to set the type of the variable: "STRING". |
| 06:55.18 | mandrigal | aparently i didnt have cdrecord insalled O_o |
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| 06:55.22 | mandrigal | *installed |
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| 07:01.02 | eatThisAndDie | guys, my icons on the system tray is a bit too big. How do I set it? I'm guessing systemtray_panelappletrc |
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| 07:08.46 | deepu | hi |
| 07:08.51 | deepu | any one there |
| 07:09.05 | deepu | hello friends |
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| 07:26.54 | Lanoxx | hi, im creating a new input action and i want to test for a certain window if it exists, how can i find out whats the uniq name of that window? |
| 07:27.49 | Lanoxx | does anyone have an idea? |
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| 07:34.17 | kadam | What's the name of the KDE on Windows project? |
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| 07:38.55 | aseigo | kadam: kde/win |
| 07:39.03 | aseigo | kadam: we're imaginative, i know ;) |
| 07:39.41 | kadam | aseigo: Hehheh, nice... Are you the same people who run #kde-windows? |
| 07:40.04 | aseigo | kadam: i'm just a general kde dev ... but yeah, the kde window crew is in that channel |
| 07:40.04 | Lanoxx | hi, im creating a new input action and i want to test for a certain window if it exists, how can i find out whats the uniq name of that window? |
| 07:40.21 | kadam | aseigo: Awesome... I'm so interested 8) |
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| 07:40.35 | aseigo | Lanoxx: xwininfo is pretty handy |
| 07:41.07 | plovs | can anybody give me a hand building kdelibs (kde4) using kdesvn-build? the rest builds fine just not kdelibs |
| 07:41.19 | kadam | aseigo: Is the project aiming to have KDE on Windows, or just to run KDE apps on Windows? |
| 07:42.39 | Chani | some parts of kde can never be on windowes, afaik. for now I expect it's just apps |
| 07:42.44 | thiago_home | kadam: some apps, not all. |
| 07:43.13 | thiago_home | kadam: there are applications that are X11-specific. There are also applications whose developers have no interest on Windows. |
| 07:43.24 | kadam | Chani: Ahh, alright... Man, I wish I didn't need Windows... |
| 07:43.31 | kadam | Ahh, gotcha... |
| 07:43.36 | Chani | hey, so if techbase is the right place to put info for developers... where does info for users go? |
| 07:43.50 | thiago_home | Chani: I've been thinking about that too... |
| 07:44.10 | berniyh | kadam: there is a statement, that the project won't make a "complete" kde for windows, but if someone does it, they won't say no ;) |
| 07:44.22 | Chani | I just took 2/2 of my plasma braindump blog and put it on personal pages on techbase so that I can start making it prresentable |
| 07:44.25 | Chani | *2/3 |
| 07:44.31 | thiago_home | I just think that no one will |
| 07:44.34 | Chani | the last third is stuff meant for users |
| 07:44.45 | thiago_home | the KDE Workspace part is very X11-dependent. Porting that would be a huge effort. |
| 07:44.59 | thiago_home | not to mention that some patches may not be accepted because they uglify code. |
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| 07:45.46 | Chani | I want to collect information that could go into a faq or something, so I think a wiki makes sense - I don't want it completely hidden away before it's done |
| 07:46.06 | Chani | better a disoganized jumble than nothing at aall |
| 07:46.13 | kadam | berniyh: Yeah... I just wonder how it could be done without TOO much overhead, in relation to stand-alone... |
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| 07:47.02 | berniyh | well, that i don't know ;) |
| 07:47.15 | berniyh | i try to stay away from windows as far as possible ;) |
| 07:48.24 | aseigo | Chani: thiago_home : yeah, we will certainly need something that's a mix between docs.kde.org and techbase imho.. a wiki driven thing for users |
| 07:48.31 | kadam | berniyh: Yeah, but I gotta have my Counter-Strike: Source, and I don't want to worry about installing to RAID drives... |
| 07:48.49 | aseigo | let everyone collaborate on a wiki and the manuals will come.. |
| 07:49.02 | aseigo | editors is what we'll need rather than authors then |
| 07:49.04 | aroedl | Would be great! |
| 07:49.05 | aseigo | Chani: ugh. yeah, don't |
| 07:49.06 | Chani | aseigo: yes yes |
| 07:49.13 | Chani | aseigo: why? |
| 07:49.20 | berniyh | brrr, counterstrike |
| 07:49.25 | aseigo | Chani: wiki.kde.org is useful as a scratchpad, but so completely useless as a structured wiki |
| 07:49.30 | Chani | oh? |
| 07:49.34 | Chani | I'd forgotten it existed |
| 07:49.43 | kadam | berniyh: Haha, what? what? I run a server, and like to map... |
| 07:50.23 | berniyh | :/ |
| 07:50.36 | Chani | what we need is something like techbase, preferably sharing login info with techbase, that's aimed towards user docs |
| 07:50.47 | Chani | aseigo: why's it useless? |
| 07:51.05 | aseigo | there's no editorial control, no real structure .. |
| 07:51.10 | aseigo | that's what has made techbase even remotely useful |
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| 07:51.16 | Chani | ah |
| 07:51.17 | kadam | What is QT? |
| 07:51.19 | aseigo | the huge amount of work that went into it to strcture and manage it |
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| 07:51.44 | aseigo | kadam: quicktime. .. Qt on the other hand is the key foundation library upon which KDE is built on |
| 07:51.46 | Chani | hmm. ok, so who were hte wonderful people who made techbase awesome? :) |
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| 07:51.57 | aseigo | Chani: already at their capacity |
| 07:52.00 | Chani | damn |
| 07:52.03 | aseigo | Chani: we'll need to find new vic^Hrecruits for this |
| 07:52.09 | berniyh | lets just use gobby |
| 07:52.17 | nixternal | lol |
| 07:52.22 | berniyh | ooops, did i say sth. with "g" in the lead? |
| 07:52.57 | nixternal | kornkobby |
| 07:53.01 | aseigo | berniyh: gobby is so close to being good it hurts |
| 07:53.13 | berniyh | never tried it ;9 |
| 07:53.14 | kadam | aseigo: Hehe, duly noted... What does the library encompass, specifically? Graphics? Kernel interaction? |
| 07:53.22 | aseigo | berniyh: but it's so absolutely useless for anything more than casual note taking (e.g. meeting minutes) that it's sad |
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| 07:53.26 | berniyh | i just know, that it exists |
| 07:54.10 | aseigo | kadam: graphics, widgets (WIMP stuff), networking, threading, xml, database, collection classes, model/view, text layout, multmedia..... |
| 07:54.13 | berniyh | i would just setup a proper wiki, tbh |
| 07:54.25 | berniyh | but that is what you said, too ;) |
| 07:54.45 | aseigo | kadam: web stack (webkit), xquery/xpath, canvases, opengl.... |
| 07:54.52 | Chani | poor little thing has no idea what it's trying to play... |
| 07:54.56 | aseigo | kadam: it's a bit .. comprehensive. |
| 07:55.00 | Chani | as always, we need more people! |
| 07:55.00 | nixternal | lol |
| 07:55.41 | aseigo | kadam: it's written in c++, but also has bindings to java (really great ones actually, called jambi), python, ruby .. c# are on the way as well |
| 07:55.59 | kadam | aseigo: Whoah! Ooh, opengl... So, I guess I'll have to get into it! I program my arse of, but haven't really done much graphics stuff... |
| 07:56.07 | aseigo | Chani: yes, we're sort of like the zombie nation. no matter how big we get .. need .. more .. brains... |
| 07:56.08 | kadam | aseigo: Oooh, C++ a specialty... |
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| 07:56.18 | aseigo | kadam: if you like c++, you'll love Qt |
| 07:56.24 | plovs | did anybody else try to build kde4 using kdesvn-build? kdelibs does not build somewhere in KJS (Or is this the wrong channel?) |
| 07:56.27 | aseigo | kadam: it's probably the best c++ toolkit out there, bar none. period. |
| 07:56.32 | nixternal | and Qt makes programming C++ that much more fun! |
| 07:56.38 | thiago_home | plovs: try #kde-devel, but it should build on its own |
| 07:56.42 | kadam | aseigo: Do you know a good resource, or something? Or, do I need any packages to develop for it? |
| 07:56.44 | aseigo | plovs: usualy #kde-devel but there's a bunch of devs in here too right now |
| 07:56.44 | kadam | oh man |
| 07:56.59 | kadam | You're my new friends, haha 8) |
| 07:57.00 | aseigo | kadam: qt comes with a set of good tutorials and extensive documentation |
| 07:57.06 | thiago_home | kadam: you need the Qt development packages. Your distribution should already have it. |
| 07:57.09 | plovs | :-) at least the nicks look all famous to me |
| 07:57.14 | berniyh | <aseigo> Chani: yes, we're sort of like the zombie nation. no matter how big we get .. need .. more .. brains... <-- i always wondered if that is because of the "It will eat your Children"-thing *g* |
| 07:57.14 | nixternal | and lets not forget the Qt books which rock |
| 07:57.20 | thiago_home | kadam: in case they don't, http://trolltech.com and click download. |
| 07:57.24 | kadam | Nice! I'll take a look... |
| 07:57.28 | aseigo | kadam: just install the Qt4 packages that come with your OS and you should be ready to start learning.. there are some very good books available on amazon et al as well.. |
| 07:57.52 | aseigo | kadam: techbase.kde.org can take you from there through to kde devel as well =) |
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| 07:58.05 | aseigo | berniyh: children have brains too. ;) |
| 07:58.12 | berniyh | hehe |
| 07:58.41 | nixternal | I can highly recommend 'Foundations of Qt Development' and 'The Book of Qt 4', and I just read that there will be a new release to the first Qt 4 book, 'C++ GUI Programming with Qt 4'...all 3 are great books and are read daily here |
| 07:58.44 | berniyh | so, your kids are already familiar with c++? +g* |
| 07:59.22 | aseigo | berniyh: my son has a laptop with kde on it, and we're working up to development topics .. so .. not so far fetched ;) |
| 07:59.31 | berniyh | hehe |
| 07:59.33 | nixternal | my daughter is 11 and has fun with Logo |
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| 07:59.53 | aseigo | nixternal: kturtle! |
| 07:59.57 | nixternal | yup |
| 08:00.06 | aseigo | played with the kde 4.0 version at all? |
| 08:00.12 | nixternal | not yet |
| 08:00.25 | nixternal | I am planning on getting KDE 4 on her machine next time I head out to Maryland |
| 08:00.26 | aseigo | it's even nicer |
| 08:00.29 | nixternal | ssh'ing is slow |
| 08:00.31 | aseigo | more syntax, fully scallable |
| 08:00.50 | nixternal | ya, she really enjoys the KDE Edu suite |
| 08:01.05 | kadam | I'm lovin' KDE4... |
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| 08:01.10 | nixternal | I switched her from Edubuntu to Kubuntu over the holidays and she loves it |
| 08:01.29 | nixternal | then again, her first computing experience was on Slackware, so she isn't the faint of heart type :p |
| 08:01.57 | berniyh | the incredible thing is, when i'm presenting my desktop to someone else, the most impressive thing for them is "amor" *g* |
| 08:02.25 | kadam | In Kubuntu, does anyone know what the qt4-designer package is? |
| 08:02.44 | thiago_home | kadam: try asking in #kubuntu |
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| 08:03.09 | nixternal | ahh, so she is using kturtle...thought she was using something else |
| 08:03.26 | Chani | if I can manage to visit my sister in august after akademy, it'd be so awesome to show off the olpc... |
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| 08:03.37 | nixternal | kadam: qt4-designer |
| 08:03.38 | Chani | especially if I get stuck fscking babysitting again |
| 08:04.01 | Chani | my cousins were crazy about hte kde games last time I was stuck in ireland |
| 08:04.18 | nixternal | man, kde4games has me wasting to much time now |
| 08:04.41 | nixternal | knetwalk is like crack |
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| 08:06.30 | berniyh | knetwalk always reminds me at the LANs in uplink ;) |
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| 08:07.32 | kadam | There are kde4 games? |
| 08:07.39 | thiago_home | yes |
| 08:07.48 | thiago_home | kdegames is one of the most advanced KDE4 packages |
| 08:08.14 | nixternal | and addicting |
| 08:08.21 | kadam | I'm so there... |
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| 08:08.55 | nixternal | careful now, otherwise you will be on that tv show on A&E called 'Intervention' |
| 08:08.56 | nixternal | :p |
| 08:09.43 | Chani | speking of addictions. /me must run away from irc again |
| 08:10.09 | nixternal | hehe |
| 08:10.17 | nixternal | I just heard my bed yell out my name |
| 08:10.25 | kadam | nixternal: I'll be fine... ;) |
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| 08:10.56 | nixternal | k'nite all, and happy hacking! |
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| 08:11.29 | berniyh | aseigo: there is one more "crash" or similar with plasma, that i found, but unfortunately i haven't found a way to reproduce it reliably |
| 08:11.44 | kadam | night nixternal |
| 08:12.13 | berniyh | but it seems to happen normally, when i add the commit log to the desktop, lock the widgets and then restart plasma, then it won't start, at least sometimes |
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| 08:42.11 | bjames | my laptop ran out of battery and shut down and now my ktorrent downloads are only half downloaded - how do I restart them (they are not in the downloads list)? |
| 08:42.28 | thiago_home | start ktorrent |
| 08:42.40 | thiago_home | oh... ktorrent really should keep them |
| 08:42.48 | bjames | yes it really should |
| 08:43.04 | bjames | although there should be some kind of temporary file somewhere right? |
| 08:43.07 | thiago_home | well, download the .torrent files again and use the partial download plugin to restart them |
| 08:43.15 | thiago_home | yes, they are in your Download directory |
| 08:43.39 | bjames | how do I get the partial download plugin? |
| 08:43.51 | thiago_home | it's part of the standard ktorrent |
| 08:44.11 | thiago_home | make sure you have it enabled |
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| 08:44.25 | bjames | I can't see it |
| 08:44.45 | thiago_home | partfileimportplugin |
| 08:44.51 | thiago_home | KTorrent 2.2 |
| 08:44.52 | bjames | Scan folder and Import are the only two that look reasonable |
| 08:45.13 | bjames | 2.2.1 |
| 08:45.21 | bjames | I will load all anyway |
| 08:45.37 | thiago_home | enable the plugin and use the entry in the File menu |
| 08:46.17 | bjames | ok, I've opened the "Import" dialogue |
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| 08:47.01 | bjames | I didn't save the torrent file locally, firefox is set to associate .torrent files with ktorrent |
| 08:47.07 | bjames | should ktorrent have saved it somewhere? |
| 08:49.14 | bjames | drumroll... |
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| 08:51.41 | bjames | well it appears to have done something |
| 08:51.49 | bjames | although the download is stalled |
| 08:51.56 | bjames | oh, nope, it's just started again |
| 08:51.59 | bjames | cheers for the info |
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| 08:58.36 | Botulinux | hello everybody, somobody could explain the use of the desktop icons in KDE4? Right click doesn't give option to copy ecc.. drag and drop of files into folders brings to nothing.. |
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| 09:03.20 | R15I23D05D14Y | Botulinux: You have most of that functionality if you open home/Desktop in Dolphin or Konqueror, |
| 09:03.54 | R15I23D05D14Y | And I think all the other things are coming in either 4.1 |
| 09:04.11 | R15I23D05D14Y | Or 4.0.1 |
| 09:04.47 | Chani | 4.1 |
| 09:05.02 | Chani | the icons in 4.0 are... a bit of a hack |
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| 09:07.20 | R15I23D05D14Y | Anyone know an easy way find out what Kwin is doing? It kills my CPU when I try to turn on that fancy OpenGl stuff |
| 09:07.50 | R15I23D05D14Y | And I was trying to find out if the issue was hardware, configuration, or an actual bug, |
| 09:07.57 | R15I23D05D14Y | Or anything |
| 09:08.26 | R15I23D05D14Y | (KDE 4.0, Kubuntu 7.10, ppa repository) |
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| 09:10.31 | stiffme | R15I23D05D14Y: do u have direct rendor? |
| 09:11.04 | R15I23D05D14Y | How do I check? I don't know much about graphics :( |
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| 09:11.39 | stiffme | R15I23D05D14Y: glxinfo|grep rendor |
| 09:12.11 | stiffme | R15I23D05D14Y: glxinfo|grep render |
| 09:12.29 | R15I23D05D14Y | Nope, I don't have it |
| 09:12.56 | R15I23D05D14Y | That'll be the issue then? |
| 09:12.57 | stiffme | R15I23D05D14Y: what's the outpur? |
| 09:12.58 | flauschi | hi there. anybody knows where i can find a list of essential files in my ~/.kde folder under linux? i want to exclude some unimportant files from my daily backup |
| 09:13.19 | R15I23D05D14Y | stiffme: When it is grep-ed? Nothing, |
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| 09:13.53 | stiffme | R15I23D05D14Y: glxinfo |grep rend |
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| 09:14.55 | R15I23D05D14Y | stiffme: direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
| 09:15.03 | R15I23D05D14Y | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa X11 |
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| 09:15.30 | stiffme | R15I23D05D14Y: that means that you don't have direct render, |
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| 09:15.49 | dappermuis | anyone know how to get alt+tab to work in kde 4.0.0? |
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| 09:16.17 | stiffme | dappermuis: alt+tab works fine for me in kde4.0.0 |
| 09:16.52 | stiffme | R15I23D05D14Y: you should install graphic driver,what kind of graphics card do you have?? |
| 09:16.57 | dappermuis | stiffme: do you have window decorations enabled? |
| 09:17.05 | elenril | is there a way to replace that ugly black thing in kde4 with kicker? |
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| 09:17.36 | stiffme | dappermuis: yes,and i enable desktop effects |
| 09:17.48 | dappermuis | stiffme: hmm, well mine isn't working |
| 09:18.04 | stiffme | elenril: i want to know that too~ |
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| 09:18.32 | R15I23D05D14Y | stiffme: Intel graphics controller chip thing, it's on a laptop |
| 09:19.14 | stiffme | R15I23D05D14Y: what distribution? intel graphics cards are supported by kernel i guess |
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| 09:20.06 | R15I23D05D14Y | stiffme: Ok. I'll go and check that I'm not missing a driver or something. Thanks ^_^ |
| 09:20.12 | dappermuis | stiffme: the intel chipsets are fully supported afaik |
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| 09:21.22 | stiffme | dappermuis: but he does not have direct render,maybe Xserver or graphic drivers are not propriate |
| 09:21.43 | dappermuis | stiffme: which chipset does he have? |
| 09:21.49 | stiffme | dappermuis: sorry for my english.. |
| 09:21.59 | dappermuis | stiffme: no problem |
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| 09:22.19 | stiffme | dappermuis: nvidia geforce 7 |
| 09:22.31 | Earthnail | Hey there |
| 09:22.39 | dappermuis | hmm...oh, i though he had the intel one |
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| 09:22.59 | Earthnail | In Kopete4, the plugins for ICQ and MSN don't appear. |
| 09:23.41 | Earthnail | I read the blog post that says one should delete /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER/ksycoca and ksycoca-stamp, or alternatively try to run kbuildsycoca --noincremental |
| 09:23.46 | Earthnail | and then relogin |
| 09:23.50 | Earthnail | but both didn't work |
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| 09:24.13 | Earthnail | Any idea? |
| 09:24.27 | Chani | Earthnail: try #kopete if nobody here knows |
| 09:24.36 | Earthnail | Chani: thanks |
| 09:24.37 | pinotree | Earthnail: yeah, that those "instructions are completely wrong. where did you read that? |
| 09:24.48 | Earthnail | pinotree: planetkde |
| 09:24.51 | Chani | pinotree: mattr's blog |
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| 09:25.12 | pinotree | removing the sycoca won't fix the problem |
| 09:25.27 | Earthnail | pinotree: what else then? |
| 09:25.35 | Earthnail | rm ~/.kde4/ didn't solve it either |
| 09:25.41 | pinotree | see |
| 09:25.46 | pinotree | you need to manually fix some .desktop files |
| 09:26.11 | Earthnail | alright, where do I find them & how do I fix them? |
| 09:26.18 | pinotree | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155256 |
| 09:26.27 | Earthnail | pinotree: thank you very much! |
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| 09:28.18 | gergap | hi |
| 09:28.56 | gergap | is kdm also maintained in the kde repository, or is this an own project? |
| 09:29.42 | thiago | in the repository |
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| 09:31.28 | gergap | thiago, do you knwo the path in the rep? |
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| 09:31.59 | Earthnail | pinotree: so how do I solve it? |
| 09:32.06 | thiago | gergap: somewhere in kdebase |
| 09:32.10 | gergap | ok |
| 09:32.14 | pinotree | read comment #15 |
| 09:32.28 | Earthnail | I did, I just don't get it. Where do I find the kopete*.desktop files? |
| 09:32.33 | aroedl | gergap: kdebase/workspace/kdm |
| 09:32.36 | pinotree | best ask in #kopete for the location of those files |
| 09:32.41 | Earthnail | pinotree: thanks |
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| 09:36.46 | andy151 | hi everyone. Just getting to grips with KDE4 (love it!) but I can't see how to do something that I did under 3.5. On 3.5, I could use the menu editor to set hotkeys to launch applications. Right clicking on the "K menu" on KDE4 doesnt offer a menu editor so I'm assuming there is some other mechanism now. Is there, or is this something which hasn't been completed yet? I really want to get my hotkeys for konsole and konqueror working again :) |
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| 09:37.41 | Chani | hmm. |
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| 09:38.28 | Chani | andy151: try right-clicking the application's titlebar -> advanced -> special window settings |
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| 09:39.19 | Chani | andy151: wait... something's wrong |
| 09:39.38 | Chani | andy151: I meant special *application* settings, but it toolk me to the 'special window settings' dialog |
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| 09:39.54 | andy151 | Chani: ahhh, interesting |
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| 09:40.30 | andy151 | Chani, unfortunately I can't try anything right now as I'm at work and I kept 3.5 until I'm happy I've got to grips with 4.0 at home |
| 09:40.32 | Chani | andy151: go bug people. I wanna set some shortcuts too |
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| 09:41.08 | andy151 | Chani: lol, will do :P Do you know who the best person to bug is? |
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| 09:41.30 | Chani | does the menu editor progam still apply to kde4, even? |
| 09:41.36 | Chani | andy151: sadly, no |
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| 09:41.47 | oRg | hello |
| 09:42.01 | andy151 | Chani, I'm wondering that too. right clicking on the K menu doesn't show menu editor as an option |
| 09:42.04 | Chani | andy151: all I know is that the only relation it would have to plasma would be putting an option in hte right-click menu of kickoff |
| 09:42.18 | Chani | andy151: the bulk of the problem lies outside plasma |
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| 09:42.47 | oRg | is possible to make Plasmoids in python ?.. |
| 09:42.48 | andy151 | Chani, ok, I'll keep playing/digging and try and work something out. /me needs alt-c for konsole or my productivity drops by 200% :) |
| 09:42.57 | Chani | kmenuedit exists in kde4 |
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| 09:43.09 | andy151 | interesting... |
| 09:43.40 | Chani | and it needs a darn search filter |
| 09:43.47 | Chani | so many entries... |
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| 09:44.34 | andy151 | Chani: does it look just like the KDE3 version? |
| 09:44.46 | Chani | ooh, nasty. kmenuedit is taller than my screen and won't shrink |
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| 09:44.56 | Chani | andy151: mostly, but it obeys my colour theme |
| 09:45.19 | vistapc2 | ? |
| 09:45.23 | andy151 | good stuff. The size thing can thankfully be solved by alt-mouse2 |
| 09:45.36 | pinotree | Chani: kmenuedit does not need a search line edit, but a maintainer... |
| 09:45.57 | vistapc2 | whats KDE |
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| 09:46.16 | pinotree | vistapc2: care to open http://www.kde.org ? |
| 09:47.10 | Chani | andy151: there's no shortcut key in kde4's kmenuedit, unless it's cut off by the broken layouting. |
| 09:47.11 | Earthnail | Yeah, fixed it |
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| 09:47.19 | Chani | pinotree: yeah, certainly looks that way :( |
| 09:47.33 | oRg | i see in http://plasma.kde.org/cms/1029 -> [ Plasma will support writing add-ons, or "applets", in a number of programming languages ] so now i cant make an applet in python ?.. |
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| 09:47.34 | pinotree | Chani: the previous maintainer was... waldo bastian |
| 09:47.42 | Chani | we need a kde orphanage |
| 09:47.58 | Chani | for all the stuff that's gotten left behind |
| 09:48.07 | andy151 | Chani: thanks for looking. Hrm, looks like it's missing functionality for now :\ |
| 09:48.16 | vistapc2 | so kde is a desktop for linux |
| 09:48.27 | Chani | pinotree: is he gone, or just busy? |
| 09:48.48 | Chani | vistapc2: it's a bit more than just that :) |
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| 09:49.09 | pinotree | Chani: not sure if he really went away; for sure he's very little time for kde now |
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| 09:49.17 | Chani | oRg: nobody's written bindings for python. wannna do that? :) |
| 09:50.03 | Chani | yeesh. all the things I try to do hit dead ends, and now I'm finding a doezn more things that need doing |
| 09:50.21 | Chani | actually, *do* we have an orphanage on techbase or anything? |
| 09:50.32 | pinotree | probably, not |
| 09:51.00 | pinotree | Chani: uhm, which dead ends are you hitting? |
| 09:52.38 | Chani | pinotree: my friends can access my bank's website, but I can't, not even through my proxy. that kinda brought a few things to a screeching halt |
| 09:53.00 | Chani | as for kde, I'm trying not to code because I have exams coming up |
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| 09:54.19 | Chani | I've been hitting a lot of dead ends in plasma anyways, though. I wanna do stuff that aaron seems to want to do himself |
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| 10:11.44 | Airer-girl | hi is there any alternative to kwin crystal or any way of making it load faster each time I switch desktop? |
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| 10:13.00 | Airer-girl | please do |
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| 10:46.44 | Chani | oh man. poor poor websites... |
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| 10:46.53 | Chani | so many things to work on, so few man-hours |
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| 10:49.02 | Chani | ok. information overload >.< |
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| 10:50.54 | Codenmark | (Hi. Is there currently a way to display window menus at the top the screen (aka "MacOS style") in KDE 4.0 ?) |
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| 11:00.10 | ThePuppetMaster | hello @all |
| 11:00.23 | Airer-girl | hello ThePuppetMaster do you play hgl? |
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| 11:00.31 | ThePuppetMaster | hgl? |
| 11:00.54 | Airer-girl | sorry hellgate london, I saw your name and thought you did |
| 11:01.03 | solshark | Anyone have troubles with dbus+kde4? |
| 11:01.19 | solshark | i can't open context menu in dolphin. In console i see report about many dbus-related errors. Google give nothing. |
| 11:01.33 | solshark | after press right mouse button dolphin crashing |
| 11:01.39 | ThePuppetMaster | i got a short question .. i use KNewsTicker ... if i click on a news then will it open in kwrite and not in icewease ... how can i change this ?.. in the config of KNewsTicker i don't found a option to change this |
| 11:02.35 | benJIman | ThePuppetMaster: konqueror -> settings -> configure konqureor -> file associations , change the one for html perhaps. |
| 11:03.59 | ThePuppetMaster | benJIman, thx .. i will try it |
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| 11:04.54 | limer___ | hi, i was wondereing where i can find information on cponfiguring the trackpad on my computer for kde, i.e. how do i reduce the size of the 'scroll zone'? |
| 11:05.23 | Chani | limer___: depends on what brand it is |
| 11:05.46 | Chani | if it's synaptics, then you can use the ksynaptics thing... |
| 11:06.26 | ThePuppetMaster | benJIman, it works .. wonderfull .. thx |
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| 11:24.56 | Lauwenmiam | (Hi. Is there currently a way to display window menus at the top the screen (aka "MacOS style") in KDE 4.0 ?) |
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| 11:28.05 | pinotree | Lauwenmiam: not yet |
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| 11:34.14 | _agrajag | This may be a silly question, but how exactly do I configure the panel in KDE-4 ? |
| 11:34.34 | Chani | _agrajag: you wait for the config interface to be writen ;) |
| 11:34.46 | _agrajag | I tried right-clicking, but the entire panel seems filled with systrays, buttons and the like, so I get the context-menu for -those- |
| 11:34.50 | _agrajag | aha. |
| 11:34.59 | _agrajag | So I'm not juse being overly dense. Good. |
| 11:35.06 | Chani | thassit. we need a damn faq. |
| 11:35.48 | _agrajag | Can I configure it if I vi .kde/whatever/panelrc or suchlike ? |
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| 11:36.51 | Chani | you might be able to do a bit from plasma-appletsrc, but right now it's likely to break. I would expect it to be less broken a week from now - I think I saw someione messing with resize and such |
| 11:37.10 | _agrajag | Breakage bothers me not. I've got 3.5 for actually doing work. |
| 11:37.27 | Chani | well then, have fun :) |
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| 11:37.33 | _agrajag | Thank you very much. And congrats. First impression is, it -looks- 3 years more modern. |
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| 11:37.50 | Chani | :) |
| 11:38.14 | illogic-al | 3 years more modern than three years ago, or three years more modern than now? :-) |
| 11:38.33 | _agrajag | 3 years more modern than 3.5.x |
| 11:38.55 | RichiH | where does KDE save window-specific settings? |
| 11:39.20 | _agrajag | I also managed to crash plasma twice in an hour, and hang it once. Oh well. I'll bug-report if I can consistensly reproduce it atleast. |
| 11:39.21 | SSJ_GZ | _agrajag: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ |
| 11:39.42 | _agrajag | I ain't got Xcomposite, and I think some parts may -assume- everyone does. I'm sure the core kde-hackers have it atleast. |
| 11:40.04 | _agrajag | SSJ_GZ, Is no emergency, I generally just ssh in on the box and kill off the offender. |
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| 11:40.27 | SSJ_GZ | _agrajag: Ok, but is answers some of your earlier questions :) |
| 11:40.46 | Chani | huh. if I don't tweak the focus-stealing settings soo, my kwallet password is going to end up on irc :P |
| 11:40.48 | SSJ_GZ | *it |
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| 11:43.43 | pinotree | RichiH: $KDEHOME/share/config/kwinrc |
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| 11:49.12 | RichiH | pinotree: so it keeps one file for all applications? |
| 11:49.19 | pinotree | ? |
| 11:49.27 | pinotree | ah |
| 11:49.34 | pinotree | not sure, check that file out |
| 11:49.40 | RichiH | hmmk |
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| 11:52.29 | RichiH | pinotree: does not seem to store it there, after all |
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| 11:53.45 | _agrajag | The emergency-faq is good. Among other nice properties, it consistently crashes Konqi on window-close. :-) |
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| 11:58.27 | Killer1987 | hi |
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| 11:58.59 | imagine | Hi, when I launch a KDE 3.5.x app on KDE 4.0 the icons are not shown in the system tray but in a small window.. anyway to make it behave properly? |
| 11:59.00 | Killer1987 | to all: what is the window decorator of kde4? cna i set it as deault in compiz? |
| 11:59.28 | peremen | Killer1987, I think, nothing |
| 11:59.39 | albatross_ | I've made a profile with the help of kiosktool, but now that's stopped working for whatever reason. I need to change the file associations for PDF, since users cant open them from the desktop. How do I go about doing that? |
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| 11:59.52 | peremen | Killer1987, current kde-window-decorator is for kde3 and there is nothing for kde4 |
| 12:00.26 | Killer1987 | so? |
| 12:00.40 | peremen | there's no way for now :( |
| 12:00.50 | peremen | give a try for kwin's compositing feature |
| 12:01.07 | imagine | Killer1987: you can enable desktop effects by right clicking on the title bar of a window and select Configure Windwo Behaviour, you'll have the Desktop Effect options |
| 12:01.24 | funcrush | Location of cursor in konsole is odd. How can I fix it? (you can see that http://cfs5.tistory.com/upload_control/download.blog?fhandle=YmxvZzU3NzA1QGZzNS50aXN0b3J5LmNvbTovYXR0YWNoLzAvMDUwMDAwMDAwMDAwLnBuZw==) |
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| 12:02.16 | Killer1987 | kwin is too slow, i want to use compiz with title bar with oxygen style. did you understand what i mean? |
| 12:02.34 | peremen | Killer1987, yup, so there is no way for now |
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| 12:04.49 | ex87 | funcrush: try to change fonts, it helped to me |
| 12:05.00 | Killer1987 | peremen: ok, at least i know it now : ( |
| 12:05.30 | funcrush | ex87: How I can? Can you help me more plz? |
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| 12:07.25 | ex87 | funcrush: haven't kde4 availble now, there should be settings in settings -> current profile or sth like that |
| 12:09.27 | Shirakawasuna | crap... is there a place where konqueror stores temporary form information? I just wrote a rather large message during which my account on a site logged out and then refused to post, now I can't get back to it. |
| 12:09.55 | funcrush | ex87: Thank you, I'll try |
| 12:10.37 | Killer1987 | bye bye |
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| 12:12.09 | funcrush | ex87: Thank you very much I fixed it |
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| 12:14.10 | Shirakawasuna | so... no chance of recovery/ |
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| 12:19.02 | vbgunz_ | hello, isn't Alt+F3 supposed to be a shortcut to the current windows menu? for advanced, to desktop, etc? |
| 12:19.37 | vbgunz_ | hmm, alt+space I think is it now, just found out by accident |
| 12:21.27 | funcrush | I can't take a screenshot with "Print Screen" key in KDE4. anyone can help me? |
| 12:21.42 | imagine | all my KDE 3.5.x doesn't load up properly on KDE4... some says error with klauncher and my system tray's icons from 3.5.x are located in a separate window.. any idea ? |
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| 12:23.01 | gkiagia | vbgunz_: it's alt+f3, at least in kde4. except if you have configured kde to behave like windows, which makes it alt+space |
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| 12:23.46 | vbgunz_ | I think my desktop got all confused after I installed and then uninstalled compizfusion ... |
| 12:23.56 | vbgunz_ | I remember ti being alt+f3 |
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| 12:24.05 | vbgunz_ | now its alt+space3 |
| 12:24.10 | gkiagia | imagine: that happened to me yesterday and strangely it was fixed with a reboot |
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| 12:31.52 | funcrush | sigh, I can more next window with "Ctrl+Tab" in kde4 |
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| 12:32.16 | funcrush | sigh, I can't move next window with "Ctrl+Tab" in kde4 (typo) |
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| 12:35.05 | jeekl_mah | What is the name of the binary that runs the control center i kde4? |
| 12:35.35 | SSJ_GZ | jeekl_mah: systemsettings |
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| 12:35.48 | jeekl_mah | SSJ_GZ: Thanks |
| 12:35.52 | SSJ_GZ | np |
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| 12:37.19 | jeekl_mah | Are no hot keys set for KDE4? Mine are all blank in systemsettings |
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| 12:38.41 | funcrush | jeekl_mah: sudo systemsettings |
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| 12:39.23 | funcrush | jeekl_mah: But hot keys are not work like alt+tab in my case |
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| 12:40.30 | funcrush | jeekl_mah: Are they work? |
| 12:40.32 | jeekl_mah | So the hot keys aren't working? It's confirmed |
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| 12:40.54 | SSJ_GZ | funcrush: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Global_shortcuts_.28ALT.2BF2_for_KRunner.2C_ALT.2BTab.2C_etc.29_aren.27t_working.3F.21 |
| 12:40.55 | funcrush | I don't know how I fix it |
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| 12:43.37 | funcrush | JJS_GZ: Thank you :), but I don't get a fix still |
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| 12:45.57 | funcrush | JJS_GZ: and I can't understand that page well becuz my english is not good :( |
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| 12:52.20 | sandsmark | inglirs is importunt |
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| 12:57.37 | Platyna | -/c |
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| 13:08.39 | x_zeuss | now that kde 4 has been released, will the oxygen icon theme be made available for download? |
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| 13:09.03 | jeekl_mah | x_zeuss: It has been availiable for a long long time |
| 13:09.06 | jeekl_mah | check kdes svn |
| 13:09.07 | pinotree | x_zeuss: → #oxygen |
| 13:09.44 | x_zeuss | will they work with kde 3.5 or just 4? |
| 13:09.53 | Jejem | an icon is an icon.. |
| 13:09.54 | Jejem | :p |
| 13:10.07 | thiago | just KDE 4 |
| 13:10.17 | thiago | the names of the icons are different |
| 13:10.21 | x_zeuss | aha |
| 13:10.25 | thiago | meaning: an icon is an icon |
| 13:10.29 | x_zeuss | too bad :( |
| 13:10.34 | thiago | but the Oxygen icon *theme* is not compatible with KDE 3.5 |
| 13:10.43 | thiago | you can do the renaming on your own if you want |
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| 13:11.07 | x_zeuss | that will be too much work for a noob |
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| 13:13.15 | x_zeuss | can't wait for kde stable to be out and the distros start implementing it by default |
| 13:13.33 | jiyuu | kde4 stable is out |
| 13:13.44 | ex87 | 4.0.0 marked as stable |
| 13:14.10 | x_zeuss | i read am the net that it still has some bugs and that 4.1 will be a full replecement of 3.5 |
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| 13:14.44 | jiyuu | yes it had not bugs-free but it's stable |
| 13:15.06 | jiyuu | *is |
| 13:15.13 | demonsdread | is there a way to start the replacement of kicker in kde4 seperate then plasma |
| 13:15.13 | jiyuu | (sorry very bad english) |
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| 13:16.34 | jiyuu | demonsdread: since it's a part of plasma I don't think you can |
| 13:17.23 | demonsdread | jiyuu: but it crashes as if its not part of plasma, everything else works and i'm without a kicker |
| 13:18.37 | johanneswilm | hey, have KDE4 on Ubuntu here. I wonder: should the "Get new widgets" button be working? |
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| 13:19.42 | jeekl_mah | Is systemsettings supposed to be nearly empty as compared to KDE3? |
| 13:19.55 | johanneswilm | and what can I use that yellow swirl in the upper right hand corner for? |
| 13:20.10 | johanneswilm | and where is my wireless administration? |
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| 13:20.59 | jiyuu | johanneswilm: you can use knetwormager (kde3) in kde4. |
| 13:21.01 | jiyuu | joh |
| 13:21.15 | jiyuu | johanneswilm: it works fine |
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| 13:21.57 | johanneswilm | jiyuu:ok |
| 13:22.05 | johanneswilm | what about the other two things? |
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| 13:23.32 | jiyuu | johanneswilm: the yellow swirl is for plasma |
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| 13:24.08 | jiyuu | johanneswilm: you can add plasmoids with it |
| 13:25.02 | jiyuu | johanneswilm: And i don't know for the 'Get new widget-' button |
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| 13:42.50 | x_zeuss | has anyone tried kubuntu with kde 4? |
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| 13:43.55 | Q-collective | x_zeuss: I bet someone in #kubuntu has |
| 13:44.00 | Novell | hello, how do I get kmplayer to work correctly with flash files ? It's like its loading the support and stuff, but when I go to f.e. youtube it start buffering and then stops the plugin or whatever, pressing the play button results in Buffer fill: 0% and then KMplayer: Stop Playing |
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| 13:45.45 | Pensacola | x_zeuss I'm on Kubuntu 7.10 with kde4 |
| 13:46.17 | majid | KDE is the king!!! |
| 13:46.20 | x_zeuss | Pensacola: and how is it? stable, fast? |
| 13:46.30 | x_zeuss | Pensacola: are there any serious bugs? |
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| 13:46.41 | Pensacola | it's not completely stable, but it's faster than 3.5.8 on my setup |
| 13:46.50 | Pensacola | haven't found any showstopper bugs yet |
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| 13:47.12 | x_zeuss | Pensacola: and why do u say it's not completely stable? what bugs does it have? |
| 13:47.15 | Q-collective | x_zeuss: mind that kde4 is *not* a replacement for 3.5.8, if you want stability and features, stick to the latter |
| 13:47.25 | Q-collective | kde 4.0.0 * |
| 13:47.30 | Pensacola | some applications crash more than they did on 3.5.8 :) |
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| 13:47.39 | x_zeuss | :) |
| 13:47.41 | x_zeuss | not cool |
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| 13:48.07 | Pensacola | here's a shot of my current desktop |
| 13:48.11 | whirm | hi all! |
| 13:48.17 | fedora_ | guys i have nokia N73...i use Nokia PCSuite to connect i tto my xp sys |
| 13:48.23 | Pensacola | http://users.skynet.be/Pensacola/desktop.png and http://users.skynet.be/Pensacola/desktop2.png |
| 13:48.25 | fedora_ | how can i connect it to ubuntu |
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| 13:49.20 | RichiH | is there a way to make select-on-double-click in konsole NOT select any leading or trailing colons? |
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| 13:50.31 | Frosch | http://rostigewolke.9gb.de/?id=86477 kann man mit sowas wirklich so viel geld verdienen, dass sich sowas lohnt ? |
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| 13:50.46 | annma | English only Frosch please |
| 13:50.56 | Frosch | sry |
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| 13:51.31 | solus | I've mounted some folders with sshfs, it seems kde apps have problem writing to them |
| 13:51.55 | solus | at least I can't overwrite my images with kde programs, but with gimp it's fine |
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| 13:55.44 | fedora_ | guys i am using nokia n73 and use nokia pcsuite to connect it to my xp sys how can i connectt it to ubuntu |
| 13:56.16 | solus | fedora_: checkout kmobiletools |
| 13:56.25 | solus | and best of luck |
| 13:56.46 | fedora_ | can u plz explain it |
| 13:56.57 | fedora_ | where can i get kmobiletools |
| 13:57.03 | solus | google |
| 13:57.15 | solus | there's probably some package for ubuntu |
| 13:57.23 | Q-collective | first hit in google |
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| 13:57.37 | solus | but in general, mobile phones and linux is weedy grounds |
| 13:57.43 | fedora_ | ya i opened it in googel i am reaading abt itt |
| 13:58.26 | solus | also google "english language course" |
| 13:58.46 | fedora_ | :) |
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| 13:59.43 | Killer1987 | have you already planned the release shedule for kde 4.0.1 and 4.1? |
| 13:59.55 | Pensacola | kmobiletools is in the standard ubuntu repos |
| 14:00.06 | Q-collective | http://www.kmobiletools.org/node/298 <-- would be neat if you could link that up to wengophone :-) |
| 14:00.23 | SSJ_GZ | Killer1987: Not really. 4.0.1 is likely to be tagged at the end of January; 4.1 could be anywhere from 4-9 months. My bet is 6-9 months. |
| 14:00.48 | Q-collective | SSJ_GZ: already at the end of january? |
| 14:01.09 | annma | yes |
| 14:01.14 | SSJ_GZ | Q-collective: Yep. It's just bug-fixes, and there have been many since 4.0.0 was tagged. |
| 14:01.14 | Killer1987 | <SSJ_GZ> ok, thank you |
| 14:01.15 | x_zeuss | and will 4.0.1 be a replacement for kde 3.5? |
| 14:01.17 | Q-collective | that's quite fast |
| 14:01.19 | annma | Q-collective: already a big amount of fixes |
| 14:01.23 | annma | x_zeuss: no |
| 14:01.25 | SSJ_GZ | x_zeuss: no |
| 14:01.30 | SSJ_GZ | Hehe :) |
| 14:01.34 | Q-collective | x_zeuss: no, 4.1 is more like a replacement |
| 14:01.34 | x_zeuss | but what kde 4 will be? |
| 14:01.37 | annma | x_zeuss: 4.1 will probably |
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| 14:01.57 | x_zeuss | and that is not entirely certain is it? |
| 14:02.11 | annma | x_zeuss: the libs are stable now and apps like kdepim hopefully will be ready for 4.1 |
| 14:02.14 | Q-collective | x_zeuss: 4.0.x are just going to be bug fixes, no new features, so no feature parity |
| 14:02.22 | SSJ_GZ | x_zeuss: Nothing is certain with software-development, especially if it's volunteer-driven |
| 14:02.36 | annma | x_zeuss: depends on how many people will work on apps that are not ready yet |
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| 14:02.52 | Killer1987 | quote: <Q-collective> x_zeuss: 4.0.x are just going to be bug fixes, no new features, so no feature parity |
| 14:02.55 | annma | SSJ_GZ: :) |
| 14:03.00 | SSJ_GZ | :) |
| 14:03.00 | Killer1987 | at least icons will be improved? |
| 14:03.09 | annma | icons? |
| 14:03.13 | annma | Killer1987: explain? |
| 14:03.49 | Killer1987 | now icons are very unusable, will they be improved for minor releases? |
| 14:03.59 | annma | how are they unusable? |
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| 14:05.23 | Q-collective | Killer1987: "unusable" is a little vague, if you give specific feedback, improvemts can happen. |
| 14:05.30 | Q-collective | improvements* |
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| 14:05.54 | gkiagia | why phonon doesn't respect the volule of the "pcm" channel? |
| 14:06.08 | annma | it does |
| 14:06.10 | gkiagia | s/voule/volume |
| 14:06.21 | gkiagia | it doesn't here |
| 14:06.29 | Killer1987 | maybe your're right.. it's only a bugs problem, but they should be resolved in minor releases.. |
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| 14:06.47 | gkiagia | I set pcm to the lowest value and I still hear sounds from kde |
| 14:06.48 | annma | Killer1987: explain what you find wrong about icons please |
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| 14:06.59 | Q-collective | Killer1987: we still don't know what your problem with them is |
| 14:07.01 | annma | Killer1987: we don't see at all what you mean here |
| 14:07.13 | Killer1987 | nowaday, i can't add custom icons and modify existing icons |
| 14:07.22 | annma | Killer1987: where? |
| 14:07.32 | miha | annma, hello |
| 14:07.40 | Killer1987 | in the desktop, but i think they are bugs |
| 14:07.50 | annma | hey miha |
| 14:07.56 | annma | modify existing icons? |
| 14:08.02 | annma | you mean change them? |
| 14:08.05 | Killer1987 | yes |
| 14:08.06 | miha | annma, may I msg you? :) |
| 14:08.13 | serzholino | ha, he probably means icons on the desktop |
| 14:08.18 | annma | ok |
| 14:08.19 | serzholino | :) |
| 14:08.39 | Q-collective | I still don't get it, but ok |
| 14:08.48 | serzholino | Killer1987: ^^ am i right? |
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| 14:09.28 | solus | I have an image file, with access mode 600, user martin. Logged in as martin I try to change this file using kolourpaint, but i can't save (permission denied). With gimp, I can change and save it, no problem |
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| 14:15.35 | solus | i heard a rumor that from 4.0, the kdelibs would be available for macos and windows aswell |
| 14:15.48 | solus | so that you could run kde apps on those platforms |
| 14:15.49 | Q-collective | not a rumor |
| 14:15.56 | solus | is it true? |
| 14:15.59 | Q-collective | yup |
| 14:16.14 | Mek | it is possible to compile it all on macos and windows, but it is not very stable/has a lot of rough edges |
| 14:16.20 | Q-collective | although there is still work on it, dunno if it has been released for win and osx yet |
| 14:16.45 | solus | all I really need is amarok |
| 14:16.51 | Q-collective | well, more correctly: dunno if the 4.0.0 code is already working on win and osx |
| 14:16.52 | solus | but I can wait, can't afford a mac yet |
| 14:17.09 | Mek | well.. amarok isn't even released for linux yet |
| 14:17.16 | Q-collective | solus: amarok is not an official part of kde and has its own devel cycle, ask in #amarok |
| 14:17.32 | solus | yea, but it depends on kdelibs |
| 14:17.41 | Q-collective | Mek: then try the 1.4.x series ;) |
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| 14:18.03 | solus | meanwhile, do you have any idea why kolourpaint can't write to rw------- files? |
| 14:18.13 | Q-collective | not sure |
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| 14:18.42 | Q-collective | try giving the file 777 permissions, I doubt that that is the problem, but lets have a look |
| 14:19.11 | sbriglie | hi, I have a problem with kde4 on debian, colors in images often look wrong, like negative |
| 14:19.25 | annma | sbriglie: screenshot? |
| 14:19.30 | sbriglie | screenshot here http://utenti.lycos.it/nedellis/snapshot1.png |
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| 14:21.43 | Q-collective | sbriglie: what exactly is wrong? |
| 14:21.44 | SSJ_GZ | Whee! |
| 14:21.44 | sbriglie | annma: look at the google log in iceweasel vs konqueror, or the orange k in the bottom left corner: it should be blue |
| 14:21.51 | solus | Q-collective: you're right, it still doesn't work |
| 14:22.07 | solus | it's on a sshfs mount, don't know if that could mess it up |
| 14:22.10 | Q-collective | SSJ_GZ: split rollercoaster ftw! ;) |
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| 14:22.19 | SSJ_GZ | Q-collective: Yup :) |
| 14:22.26 | sbriglie | Q-collective: have you seen the screenshot? look at the google log or the K in the bottom left |
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| 14:22.50 | SSJ_GZ | sbriglie: That's weird, alright. I've never seen anything like that before. |
| 14:23.00 | annma | sbriglie: did you look the original icon? |
| 14:23.10 | annma | in the install dir? |
| 14:23.17 | annma | is it blue or red? |
| 14:23.29 | sbriglie | annma: the fact is that sometimes it looks right |
| 14:23.33 | sbriglie | sometimes wrong |
| 14:23.43 | sbriglie | this seems to applies to every image in a kde4 program |
| 14:23.55 | sbriglie | in firefox everything looks alright |
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| 14:24.13 | annma | sbriglie: firefox doe snot use the same icon |
| 14:24.40 | sbriglie | annma: I meant images in web pages, such as the google logo |
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| 14:24.54 | annma | I thought the arrow icons |
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| 14:25.30 | annma | sbriglie: first look at your distro bug reports |
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| 14:25.54 | annma | sbriglie: then if you find nothing (look in forums too) issue a KDE bug report |
| 14:26.00 | sbriglie | annma: I did (debian, installed from experimental) and I cannot find anything |
| 14:26.14 | nadio | GLX dep what is this option used for? |
| 14:26.17 | annma | sbriglie: then issue a but report if you think it's KDE |
| 14:26.24 | sbriglie | I'll look more and if I still cannot find anything I'll open a bug |
| 14:26.29 | annma | sbriglie: add your video card specs and driver |
| 14:26.36 | annma | and add this screenshot |
| 14:26.36 | sbriglie | will do |
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| 14:31.36 | fir3_ | hi |
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| 14:33.57 | fir3_ | i can't use my volume keys in kde4 anymore (kubuntu gutsy, kmilo installed) |
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| 14:35.09 | annma | fir3_: I'm afraid some global shortcuts are messed |
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| 14:36.21 | fir3_ | any workarounds yet? |
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| 14:36.52 | annma | no :( |
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| 14:53.59 | amon_ | Where can I change the default url handler? |
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| 14:54.45 | ex87 | amon_: you mean default application? |
| 14:55.03 | amon_ | Yep |
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| 14:55.46 | ex87 | amon_: K -> Computer -> Settings -> Default applications I think |
| 14:56.13 | ex87 | amon_: havent K desktop now |
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| 15:02.33 | [A2K] | plasna sucks. |
| 15:02.55 | annma | plasma |
| 15:03.07 | annma | you are not obliged to use it though |
| 15:03.18 | annma | usually I don't use what I think sucks |
| 15:03.21 | zoli2k | Hi, I have problem with shortcuts on KDE4 (ubuntu gutsy). It seems there are no shortcuts as default. |
| 15:03.26 | [A2K] | lol |
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| 15:03.45 | SSJ_GZ | zoli2k: Could be this: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Global_shortcuts_.28ALT.2BF2_for_KRunner.2C_ALT.2BTab.2C_etc.29_aren.27t_working.3F.21 |
| 15:03.50 | annma | zoli2k: shortcuts are messed |
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| 15:05.13 | zoli2k | annma: SSJ_GZ: Ok, I am reading..... |
| 15:05.31 | annma | zoli2k: using English? |
| 15:05.44 | annma | for me Alt-F2 works in English but not in French |
| 15:06.04 | zoli2k | Yes, I am using english. |
| 15:06.33 | annma | ok, did you look in systemsettings what shortcuts say? |
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| 15:08.17 | zoli2k | annma: I checked in System Settins. The Keyboard Shortcuts section is empty and it doesn't allow any changes. |
| 15:09.09 | annma | zoli2k: maybe this Ubuntu version does not include the latest fix then |
| 15:09.20 | annma | zoli2k: we fixed that during the tag |
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| 15:09.53 | annma | zoli2k: can you ask in #kbuntu about it please? |
| 15:09.59 | annma | #kubuntu even |
| 15:10.12 | zoli2k | shure. wait a minute ;) |
| 15:10.22 | annma | :) |
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| 15:13.25 | tango_ | I've got an odd problem with amarok since I dist-upgrade my debian distribution. the global shortcuts I had set up to control amarok via the multimedia buttons of my inspiron don't work anymore. I've double checked that the keys work, and they work correctly if the amarok window is the foreground application. Also, the standard win+x/b etc global shortcuts work correctly too. so any suggestions on where I should start looking for the |
| 15:13.25 | tango_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.35 | sdiz | pedepy: http://www.konqueror.org/faq/#WhydoesKonquerorcrashoneverypagewithFlash |
| 15:13.48 | Freakingme | My list of open apps is no more shown in plasma. How do I fix that? Now I need kicker to show them, seems overkill... |
| 15:13.49 | pedepy | well it doenst crash on every page with flash |
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| 15:16.44 | matteo | hi all |
| 15:16.51 | matteo | i need to get kdm4 working |
| 15:17.05 | matteo | i'm on IRC using irssi now, without X |
| 15:17.15 | annma | what for? you don't have kdm3? |
| 15:17.23 | matteo | since KDM gives an error while logging |
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| 15:17.37 | matteo | i can run kde4 by running xorg |
| 15:17.38 | paolo_ | hi, how can I open an application and set it "keep above others" from command line? |
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| 15:17.43 | matteo | and then startkde |
| 15:17.50 | matteo | annma: yes i have it |
| 15:18.16 | benJIman | paolo_: kstart --keepabove <app> |
| 15:19.00 | matteo | annma: is kdm4 broken? |
| 15:19.26 | annma | no idea, I use kdm3 |
| 15:19.35 | annma | what exactly happens? |
| 15:19.47 | paolo_ | benJIman: great. and what if I want to configure kde in order to keepabove <app> ? which is the right conf file? |
| 15:20.39 | matteo | annma: i enter user and pass |
| 15:20.44 | matteo | i select session>kde4 |
| 15:20.54 | matteo | and it says "an error occourred, check KDM log" |
| 15:21.17 | nadio | what is the virtual window switch called in KDE? |
| 15:21.29 | nadio | I have by misstake removed from my kde panel and want to add it back |
| 15:21.50 | Alethes | Desktop Preview & Pager |
| 15:21.54 | annma | matteo: so did you check KDM log? |
| 15:22.35 | matteo | annma: yes, but it's just the X log |
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| 15:22.42 | pedepy | so who's running 4 ? |
| 15:24.42 | benJIman | paolo_: No need for a config file, just right click window title -> advanced special application settings -> preferences -> keep above |
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| 15:24.59 | Freakingme | pedepy I am |
| 15:25.12 | pedepy | usable ? |
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| 15:25.20 | Freakingme | pretty |
| 15:25.25 | Freakingme | =pritty |
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| 15:25.33 | Freakingme | but the taskbar cant be configured yet |
| 15:25.40 | apachelogger__ | zoli2k: who did tell you? |
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| 15:25.56 | Freakingme | and when you click one time wrong (what I did), then the apps on the taskbar may dissappear |
| 15:26.01 | zoli2k | ask, annma |
| 15:26.09 | Freakingme | besides that I haven't found any disadvantages yet |
| 15:26.28 | matteo | ah found |
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| 15:26.43 | zoli2k | apachelogger__: |
| 15:26.46 | manulite | i'm running kde4 on openSUSE 10.3, konqueror (or any kde4 app) is not able to browse, says "unknown host" though proxy settings are defined |
| 15:27.05 | annma | apachelogger__: the shortcut problems that this user reported was fixed before final tagging |
| 15:27.14 | Chani | manulite: proxies are broken in kde4, sorry |
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| 15:27.19 | apachelogger__ | annma: before tagging? hmmm... |
| 15:27.28 | paolo_ | benJIman: this is what i want to do: i want to launch an application with its name (not with kstart) automatically set with "keep above" options... so which configurationb file should i modify in order to tell kde "keep above every <app> launched" ? |
| 15:27.28 | apachelogger__ | zoli2k: are you actually using 4.0.0 packages? |
| 15:27.39 | annma | apachelogger__: it was fixed WHILE tagging |
| 15:27.55 | benJIman | paolo_: You don't need a config file. |
| 15:28.10 | benJIman | paolo_: Just select it where I said and set it to remember, and kwin will automatically remember it. |
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| 15:28.30 | apachelogger__ | annma: ahhh :D do you know the file which was touched? |
| 15:28.31 | paolo_ | benJIman: i don't want to select it, i want that this is done automatically |
| 15:28.36 | paolo_ | every time i reboot |
| 15:28.47 | manulite | thnx Channi, guess will have to wait until its fixed. |
| 15:28.55 | annma | apachelogger__: I am trying to find the commit |
| 15:28.55 | zoli2k | apachelogger__: yes, from the http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main |
| 15:29.05 | Chani | paolo_: you should only have to do it once, ever |
| 15:29.08 | apachelogger__ | annma: thanks |
| 15:29.13 | benJIman | paolo_: I've already told you twice it /remembers/ it. |
| 15:29.18 | benJIman | paolo_: Hence the /remember/ option. |
| 15:29.26 | paolo_ | sorry benJIman |
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| 15:30.21 | benJIman | http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/keep_above_remember.png |
| 15:30.26 | benJIman | You can also set force. |
| 15:30.31 | benJIman | But force stops you from un-setting it. |
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| 15:33.57 | NiAk | hi |
| 15:34.06 | paolo_ | benJIman: ok, it works, thnks |
| 15:34.33 | annma | apachelogger__: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=119948302715980&w=2 |
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| 15:35.37 | todobg | how ti kill this panel ...looks ugly |
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| 15:38.01 | Chani | top two questions about plasma: 1) how do I get rid of the panel? 2) how do I get it back? |
| 15:38.23 | SSJ_GZ | Hehe :) |
| 15:38.42 | benJIman | ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc or something |
| 15:38.44 | Chani | todobg: if you really want to remove it and you're not just trolling, then edit $KDEHOME/share/config/plasma-appletsrc |
| 15:38.51 | benJIman | Location may vary from distro to distro. |
| 15:39.22 | Chani | you'll want to remove all applets on that containment too |
| 15:39.27 | todobg | i have kiba-dock no need for panel |
| 15:39.32 | Chani | not sure what would happen if you didn't |
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| 15:39.43 | todobg | panel is ugly stuf in linux |
| 15:39.54 | Chani | hrm. |
| 15:40.04 | annma | todobg: kde4? |
| 15:40.10 | Chani | plasma *is* going to need a ui for adding/removing panels |
| 15:40.11 | todobg | yes |
| 15:40.27 | Chani | seeing as you're supposed to be able to have whatever number you like, including 0 |
| 15:41.14 | Chani | and that's not a part of the panel ui (while it could be tossed in for convenience, there should be a way to get a panel when you have none |
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| 15:41.36 | Chani | triiiicky. |
| 15:41.54 | todobg | widget is cool in kde4 |
| 15:42.12 | Chani | see, a ui for adding removing desktop containments I thought could be added to the zoomed-out thing |
| 15:42.21 | Chani | but adding/removing panels... hrmm... |
| 15:42.34 | todobg | i remove in gnome same |
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| 15:42.36 | Chani | honestly, I'd like to return it to its place in the appletbrowser |
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| 15:42.52 | HS^ | can you remove the space between close and /maximize/minimize |
| 15:42.56 | Chani | but, first thing is to make sure the underlying code can handle >1 panel |
| 15:43.16 | paolo_ | benJIman (and others) : if I set "cascade" for a particular application, when I open twice the same application the second gui overlaps the first... how can I avoid that and make a real "cascade" ? |
| 15:43.17 | todobg | ok |
| 15:43.17 | aantipop | HS^: yup, search for the window decoration.. |
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| 15:43.31 | aantipop | HS^: in systemsettings |
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| 15:45.00 | ravinmiist3 | shows garbage. When i use gnome no issues at all |
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| 15:45.34 | ravinmiist3 | let me try this again |
| 15:46.07 | ravinmiist3 | strange problem with kde 3.5.8 and gentoo. i get a box full of garbled junk in the lower right corner. when i'm using kirc get garbled junk below my mouse pointer anyone seen this problem |
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| 15:48.49 | matteo | kdm_config[23819]: Cannot open master configuration file /usr/lib/kde4/etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc |
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| 15:49.41 | matteo | annma: i found this |
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| 15:52.06 | paolo_ | ? |
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| 15:52.32 | autchirion | Hey guys, I want to set up a new ICQ User with the new Kopete of KDE 4, but there are no Services at the list where I should be able to select ICQ/MSN/... |
| 15:52.41 | autchirion | does someone a solution? |
| 15:53.02 | autchirion | does someone has a solution? :-) |
| 15:53.40 | annma | matteo: ask in your distro channel about it please |
| 15:53.48 | matteo | ok |
| 15:54.15 | annma | autchirion: read maybe Matt blog on PlanetKDE and also try #kopete |
| 15:54.30 | autchirion | annma, k, thx |
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| 15:59.28 | apachelogger__ | annma: merci beaucoup :) |
| 15:59.35 | pedepy | can you do away with the big transparent squares around icons in kde4? |
| 16:00.22 | aantipop | pedepy: right click desktop, and lock plasmoids |
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| 16:01.12 | ELITE_x | hello |
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| 16:01.30 | ELITE_x | how can i load qt4 themes? |
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| 16:03.07 | annma | apachelogger__: you're welcome! |
| 16:03.14 | pedepy | so then you cant move them around ? |
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| 16:07.23 | kelvie_ | how do you configure kde4's greeter so that kdesktop_lock works again? |
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| 16:10.44 | zwerg | Hi. |
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| 16:12.18 | zwerg | I wonder how kdm invokes the X server. Does it use /usr/bin/startx? |
| 16:13.32 | zwerg | If not, how does it decide which resolution (as in dpi) to use? |
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| 16:14.03 | nadio | what is the command for window switcher in kde? |
| 16:14.07 | nadio | or package name? |
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| 16:28.47 | Shihan | hi all, im on kde 3.5.8 on fedora 8 and i cant get konq to show thumbnails in the system:/ view... (among other problems with the system:/ views)... is there a doc anywhere that describes settings for the whole system: tree? |
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| 16:30.34 | Shaman` | good thing I took to heart the words "kde 4.0.0 is a developer release" |
| 16:30.35 | Shaman` | heh |
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| 16:32.45 | miha | nadio, window switcher? like alt+tab? |
| 16:32.48 | mindshift | what should I do if I don't have kde4 in my repos? |
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| 16:33.06 | SSJ_GZ | Shihan: When you are in a folder with pictures in it and they don't have preview, what are the contents of the location bar? |
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| 16:33.22 | Shihan | system:/home/Pictures (for example) |
| 16:33.36 | SSJ_GZ | Shihan: Ok. |
| 16:33.48 | SSJ_GZ | Shihan: Hmmm ... works here. One moment ... |
| 16:33.48 | Shihan | i know if i switch to /home/myuser/Pictures i see thumbnails, but thats not really what im after |
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| 16:34.10 | SSJ_GZ | Shihan: How bis is the first file that should have a thumbnail? |
| 16:34.12 | SSJ_GZ | *big |
| 16:34.36 | Shihan | they range in size from about 32k up to around 60-70m |
| 16:34.53 | Shihan | and yeah, i have changed the preview size limit thingame |
| 16:35.52 | SSJ_GZ | Shihan:You've checked the "system" checkbox in the local protocol section? |
| 16:35.53 | Shihan | view things under system:/ though causes a number of problems tho.. like the "properties" menu is half-missing |
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| 16:36.26 | Shihan | ssj: your a genious and i love you :D |
| 16:36.38 | SSJ_GZ | Shihan: Join the club :D |
| 16:36.54 | Shihan | no ones been able to answer that one problem i've had for about 3 months.. thanks... |
| 16:37.15 | SSJ_GZ | Shihan: You're welcome; glad to help. |
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| 16:37.31 | Shihan | acl editor still doesnt work, but thats something i can live with |
| 16:38.06 | ELITE_x | Shihan Debian + kde = everything |
| 16:38.12 | ELITE_x | :) |
| 16:38.57 | Shihan | heheh, maybe one day i'll switch ;) |
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| 16:43.55 | johanneswilm | hey, anyone can tell me what I can do with the yellow thingy in the upper right corner of kde4? |
| 16:44.17 | johanneswilm | and why is the button "get more widgets" disabled? |
| 16:44.47 | ELITE_x | talking about plasma? |
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| 16:45.08 | johanneswilm | ELITE_x: yes |
| 16:45.27 | ELITE_x | well |
| 16:45.39 | ELITE_x | there is a readme for kde4 |
| 16:45.54 | ELITE_x | with plasma you can add things like taskbar clock etc |
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| 16:46.56 | johanneswilm | ELITE_x: yes, I am aware of that |
| 16:47.05 | ELITE_x | so? |
| 16:47.13 | johanneswilm | ELITE_x: but I don't get what the yellow thingy does |
| 16:47.21 | ELITE_x | lol |
| 16:47.28 | johanneswilm | or how I can get more widgets (the button is disabled) |
| 16:47.52 | ELITE_x | http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/desktop.php |
| 16:47.56 | ELITE_x | here you go |
| 16:48.10 | ELITE_x | and i think that option is disabled at the moment |
| 16:48.59 | ELITE_x | kde4 just what i need |
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| 16:49.14 | ELITE_x | http://elitepicturehost.com/viewpic.php?code=6fbf8632dd0fd921d28c16ff4ae872e3 |
| 16:51.04 | ivanw237 | ELITE_x: the wallpaper is cool :) |
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| 16:52.10 | ELITE_x | :) |
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| 16:53.10 | JordanC | Nice desktop |
| 16:53.11 | Shihan | rightio, sleep time for me, thanks again for the help! |
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| 16:55.40 | AbsintheSyringe | k menu in kde4 is black by default? |
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| 16:56.14 | AbsintheSyringe | and every app is sorted in a single line? |
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| 16:56.55 | AbsintheSyringe | just reffering to the screenshot :) |
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| 16:56.58 | pinotree | AbsintheSyringe: no, it's his color scheme |
| 16:57.06 | pinotree | and you can add a kde3-ish kmenu |
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| 16:57.19 | ELITE_x | i more like the new one |
| 16:57.21 | ELITE_x | :D |
| 16:57.25 | AbsintheSyringe | ah ok |
| 16:57.41 | AbsintheSyringe | I tried betas and alphas, but decided to stay on 3.5.x until I see it in debian testing resp. |
| 16:57.49 | AbsintheSyringe | to buggy IMO |
| 16:57.53 | AbsintheSyringe | too* |
| 16:58.47 | ELITE_x | works fine for me |
| 16:58.52 | ivanw237 | pinotree: could you tell me how? |
| 16:58.53 | AbsintheSyringe | ELITE_x, as I know, right now only official debian resp. kde4 is in is experimental |
| 16:59.09 | ELITE_x | right |
| 16:59.09 | pinotree | ivanw237: how what? |
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| 16:59.18 | ivanw237 | add a kde3-ish kmenu |
| 16:59.42 | pinotree | open the add widgets dialog, and drag the simple launcher applet to your panel |
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| 17:00.28 | AbsintheSyringe | how fast is kdm in kde4 compared to one in kde3? I'm using gdm cuz it's so slow |
| 17:00.37 | zwerg | ELITE_x, for KDE 3 I never used black themes because I wasn't able to see frame borders then. Is that the case for KDE 4? |
| 17:00.39 | ivanw237 | pinotree: gotcha, thanks a lot |
| 17:00.56 | pinotree | AbsintheSyringe: gdm is a login manager, not the desktop environment |
| 17:01.22 | AbsintheSyringe | pinotree, so is kdm |
| 17:01.38 | ELITE_x | no |
| 17:01.46 | ELITE_x | just a manager |
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| 17:01.55 | pinotree | ah, you said "kdm", i understood "kde" sorry ;) |
| 17:02.07 | AbsintheSyringe | pinotree, :) is it any faster on kde4? |
| 17:02.08 | pinotree | (people use to mistype that much) |
| 17:02.18 | ELITE_x | zwerg works fine now |
| 17:02.35 | ivanw237 | does anyone know how to add/set a shortcut for kickoff or the old kmenu? |
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| 17:02.38 | pinotree | don't know, it's one of the bits of kde4 i never tried |
| 17:02.45 | zwerg | ELITE_x, so you can theme the border? |
| 17:02.51 | pinotree | ivanw237: you want to much now :D |
| 17:02.52 | zwerg | Any screenshot? :) |
| 17:02.57 | pinotree | (not possible yet) |
| 17:02.58 | ELITE_x | hold on |
| 17:03.09 | ivanw237 | pinotree: that's the last bit I want to know :) |
| 17:03.41 | ivanw237 | btw why khotkeys is off by default? |
| 17:03.50 | ivanw237 | not stable enough? |
| 17:04.02 | pinotree | yep |
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| 17:06.19 | ELITE_x | zwerg |
| 17:06.21 | ELITE_x | http://elitepicturehost.com/viewpic.php?code=43fb86904c75ad4db1297794e62b767c |
| 17:07.10 | zwerg | Thanks! |
| 17:07.14 | zwerg | That's nice... |
| 17:07.17 | ELITE_x | yes |
| 17:07.19 | ELITE_x | :) |
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| 17:14.12 | __mikem | what is the process name for the kde panels |
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| 17:15.56 | cheko | _mikem: it is a part of plasma |
| 17:16.16 | __mikem | cheko, I am in version 3.5 |
| 17:16.19 | aseigo | kicker |
| 17:16.37 | __mikem | aseigo, okay, so why isn't killall kicker killing the kicker, I need to relaunch it |
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| 17:16.47 | cheko | ah, okay. |
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| 17:17.29 | aseigo | __mikem: killall -9 kicker; not the nicest thing to do to it. try `dcop kicker kicker restart` |
| 17:17.37 | aseigo | or even dcopquit kicker; kicker; |
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| 17:20.26 | ELITE_x | aseigo there is a new music player for kde4? |
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| 17:21.50 | marcy | hi |
| 17:21.56 | WhuutdupNumba2 | HI! |
| 17:22.13 | marcy | there is a tool like kpowersave for KDE4? |
| 17:22.27 | WhuutdupNumba2 | is it possibel to instal KDE4 on vista yet? |
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| 17:22.45 | ann_cook | WhuutdupNumba2: you'll be able to install APPS only |
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| 17:22.54 | ann_cook | currently alpha stage |
| 17:23.14 | marcy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.23 | WhuutdupNumba2 | okay, do are they nativ ports or cygwin? |
| 17:23.30 | ann_cook | marcy: no, use the kde3 one |
| 17:23.41 | marcy | ok, |
| 17:23.51 | marcy | it will be ported? when? |
| 17:23.54 | ann_cook | http://windows.kde.org/ WhuutdupNumba2 |
| 17:24.03 | WhuutdupNumba2 | thxs! |
| 17:24.05 | ann_cook | ask the devels marcy |
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| 17:24.36 | ELITE_x | windoofs :s |
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| 17:24.53 | marcy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.20 | diafero | I get the following error when compiling the current SVN kdelibs: http://pastebin.ca/854894 does anyone have an idea? Yesterday's SVN worked fine |
| 17:25.54 | marcy | done :) bye |
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| 17:26.58 | Warod | I have a weird thing with my KDE4 atm.. plasma thing crashed earlier and I lost the taskbar. Logged off and back in and still no taskbar but the window manager works now and plasma is running. Any ideas what to do? :) |
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| 17:27.23 | WhuutdupNumba2 | OH NO! i have to compiler them myself\ |
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| 17:29.53 | WhuutdupNumba2 | is their any ware i can just get the binarys insted of just the soruce? |
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| 17:30.55 | WhuutdupNumba2 | cause i dont know anyhting about compiling source in c |
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| 17:31.24 | ELITE_x | WhuutdupNumba2 which distro? |
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| 17:31.51 | WhuutdupNumba2 | the ones for windows |
| 17:32.11 | ELITE_x | good luck :P |
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| 17:32.16 | WhuutdupNumba2 | ty |
| 17:32.41 | diafero | Hi everyone! Where is the place to ask for probelms compiling the KDE4 SVN? |
| 17:32.42 | t3hmyth | I accidentally removed the system tray and the tray that has the programs running in it |
| 17:32.44 | t3hmyth | how do I get them back |
| 17:32.45 | t3hmyth | ? |
| 17:32.58 | pinotree | add a sysmte tray applet |
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| 17:33.23 | t3hmyth | @pinotree, how do I do that, the Kmenu won't allow me to right click |
| 17:33.40 | pinotree | kde3 or kde4? |
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| 17:33.43 | t3hmyth | KDE4 |
| 17:33.59 | pinotree | go to the upper right corner of the screen, and select add widget |
| 17:34.12 | t3hmyth | done |
| 17:34.18 | jthomas | t3hmyth: open the Add Widgets and drag-and-drop Systear onto the PlasmaPanel |
| 17:34.27 | t3hmyth | thanks so much |
| 17:34.30 | jthomas | \\systray |
| 17:34.35 | Warod | jthomas: I'm missnig the whole PlasmaPanel |
| 17:34.38 | jthomas | pinotree: didn'tr mean to interrupt |
| 17:34.46 | pinotree | interrupt? |
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| 17:35.02 | Warod | any idea how to get the whole panel back? :D |
| 17:35.13 | Warod | Plasma is running but the panel is gone |
| 17:35.20 | carluva | Warod: I don't know if it's still the case in KDE4, but in KDE3 the taskbar is called "kicker", so if you just run "kicker" it will come back |
| 17:35.34 | pinotree | carluva: nope |
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| 17:35.44 | jthomas | Warod: eh. I'd delete /home/Warod/.kde4/ and log out and in again, it'll reset EVERYTHING tho... after I got a good default I made sure to backup that .kde4 folder! there is likely a better way |
| 17:35.49 | pinotree | in kde4, plasma is responsible for desktop and panels |
| 17:36.01 | jthomas | running Kicker will start the KDE3 kicker |
| 17:36.10 | Warod | haha |
| 17:36.10 | pinotree | exactly |
| 17:36.16 | Warod | yeah, I got my KDE3 panel. :P |
| 17:36.24 | ELITE_x | o_O |
| 17:36.33 | Warod | lol |
| 17:36.38 | Warod | it works fine. :D |
| 17:36.53 | carluva | pinotree: okay, just thought I'd give it a try...I stopped trying to run bleeding edge stuff because I was sick of new versions of one program causing a different program to stop working |
| 17:37.06 | carluva | Warod: lol! |
| 17:37.22 | Warod | actually I liked the kde3 panel much more. :P |
| 17:37.44 | ELITE_x | [19:37] <Warod> actually I liked the kde3 panel much more. :P |
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| 17:37.46 | ELITE_x | and why? |
| 17:37.47 | aseigo | ELITE_x: amarok2 is kde4 based, but still pre-alpha. there's dragon player, but that more of a one-off than a jukebox. juk is in 4.0 though |
| 17:37.58 | aseigo | probably because he could resize it and what not |
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| 17:38.06 | Warod | plasma panel is Vista try-to-be and NOT USABLE AT ALL! Hell, it's nightmare to use. :& |
| 17:38.09 | ELITE_x | thx aseigo |
| 17:38.27 | Warod | that's where you guys have gone into the woods with usability.. |
| 17:38.33 | aseigo | people really don't give a crap about improvements that will pay off later, they just want their candy now even if it puts them in a crappy place in the future |
| 17:38.37 | Warod | especially the K menu of it. |
| 17:38.42 | aseigo | which is to say, people are short sighted |
| 17:38.51 | aseigo | Warod: dude, there's a kmenu that comes with 4.0.0 |
| 17:38.52 | ELITE_x | :D |
| 17:38.59 | aseigo | Warod: use that if you don't like kickoff |
| 17:39.17 | Warod | kickoff? |
| 17:39.24 | aseigo | the new menu.. kickoff |
| 17:39.30 | Warod | ah ah |
| 17:39.32 | shibz | I am trying to compile kdesupport. When I run the cmakekde function, it fails with the error "moc: Invalid argument". Does anyone know of this error or how to fix it? |
| 17:39.32 | aseigo | seriously, i would get zero flack for delivering the exact same kicker and kdesktop from kde3 |
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| 17:39.40 | ELITE_x | kde4 just amazing i have no idea why you guys crying all the time |
| 17:39.40 | Warod | I guess that's the unusable part of it then, yes. ;P |
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| 17:40.12 | Warod | aseigo: KDE4 _IS_ faster. |
| 17:40.18 | aseigo | which is why users are great for feedback during stabalization and field research, but need to stay the hell out of the kitchen the rest of the time |
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| 17:40.48 | aseigo | Warod: and yeah, i really don't get the vista-alike crap. i've used vista. it's not even close to similar in any way i can see |
| 17:41.11 | Warod | aseigo: Well, the default K menu is as unusable as the vista one. :P |
| 17:41.17 | ELITE_x | wintendo for kids |
| 17:41.19 | aseigo | Warod: except for the fact that vista's panel finally got a bunch of stuff that kicker had for years and plasma's panel has animations in the taskbar |
| 17:41.24 | ELITE_x | real mans using linux |
| 17:41.36 | aseigo | Warod: unusable. well, actual studies with real users say otherwise. |
| 17:41.47 | Warod | aseigo: I'm not a real user? :P |
| 17:41.51 | aseigo | Warod: i'm completely fine with the idea that the trad menu is more comfortable for people who are used to it |
| 17:41.57 | aseigo | Warod: no, you're not. you're a special kind of user |
| 17:42.03 | Warod | hmm |
| 17:42.04 | ELITE_x | lol |
| 17:42.08 | aroedl | I prefer the new menu. |
| 17:42.14 | aseigo | you are likely someone who has used computers for quite some time, knows kde3 well and has all sorts of deeply ingrained habits |
| 17:42.17 | aseigo | which is fine |
| 17:42.22 | aseigo | there's *nothing* wrong with that |
| 17:42.35 | aseigo | but you (and i) are NOT the users of computers |
| 17:42.39 | aseigo | not statistically speaking |
| 17:42.41 | aseigo | we're special |
| 17:43.03 | aseigo | and that's why the traditional menu, which sucks donkey balls for most people, is there but not the default |
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| 17:43.21 | aseigo | so people like you and i can get at the features we may prefer without imposing our interesting ways of working on the rest of the world |
| 17:43.23 | carluva | I can't imagine how it could really be possible to make anything in Linux behave as badly as Vista... :-O |
| 17:43.29 | Warod | aseigo: Actually, I've hardly ever used the K menu really.. :P |
| 17:43.43 | Warod | it's just alt + space and couple of letters and hit enter.. |
| 17:43.48 | aseigo | it's like an architect who's only 50cm high designing a building with 60cm doors |
| 17:43.53 | aseigo | it's just right for him |
| 17:43.58 | aroedl | Warod: You mean alt + f2 ? |
| 17:44.08 | Warod | dunnoe, I had katapult on alt + space |
| 17:44.09 | aseigo | aroedl: he's refering to katapult |
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| 17:44.16 | aroedl | ic |
| 17:44.28 | aseigo | which is a pretty neat app |
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| 17:44.40 | aseigo | essentially a much more simple clone of macos' quicksilver |
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| 17:45.03 | Warod | yeah, it should be developed furter. |
| 17:45.10 | Warod | closer to quicksilver |
| 17:45.27 | Warod | but that's the only aspect I prefer on OS X over KDE + linux. :P |
| 17:45.34 | limer___ | is there a way to optomise kde for a small screened device i.e. 800*600? id like to reduce the size of dialogs and buttons etc. is there a 'compact' theme? a way to force window resizing? |
| 17:45.50 | FreshPrince | fasnacht isch füpr die lüt wo nid wüsset was sie i ihrem lebe söllet mache.. -.- |
| 17:46.00 | aseigo | Warod: that's where we are taking krunner |
| 17:46.08 | FreshPrince | whops |
| 17:46.08 | aseigo | Warod: probably far beyond where quicksilver is even |
| 17:46.14 | FreshPrince | wrong channel ^^ sry |
| 17:46.18 | aseigo | FreshPrince: hehe |
| 17:46.24 | FreshPrince | :P |
| 17:46.24 | ELITE_x | limer___: edit xorg |
| 17:46.31 | Warod | aseigo: Ok, Have to give it a try. |
| 17:46.33 | pinotree | aseigo: (just for curiosity... what does it mean "kicker"?) |
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| 17:47.03 | aseigo | limer___: not really ... well, there are more compact themes than others, but there are some dialogs that just don't fit on something that small... |
| 17:47.32 | Warod | btw, quite funny... I ran kicker and now I have the KDE3 menubar with all my preferences intact.. and it seems to be working just fine. :) |
| 17:47.33 | aseigo | pinotree: i'm not really sure how the name came about.. i'm guessing something to do with sports though |
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| 17:47.46 | aseigo | Warod: yep. |
| 17:47.53 | pinotree | but it was yours? |
| 17:48.02 | aseigo | Warod: you can even remove the plasma panel .. plasma doesn' thave a hard coded panel (unlike kicker) |
| 17:48.15 | cheko | kicker = soccer player |
| 17:48.20 | aseigo | pinotree: no, it was originally mosfet and a couple others |
| 17:48.24 | Warod | aseigo: Does it affect on any other things? |
| 17:48.30 | aseigo | cheko: yeah, except that one of the main devs was american =) |
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| 17:48.40 | Warod | aseigo: I had plasma crashed when I lost the panel.. and it destroyed my windows too. |
| 17:48.45 | cheko | aseigo: hm |
| 17:48.46 | cheko | :) |
| 17:48.50 | aseigo | pinotree: i just took over maintainership in 3.1 officially after having been the only one working on it from 2.2 on |
| 17:49.07 | aseigo | cheko: so i'm not sure if it's an american or a real football reference =) |
| 17:49.12 | aseigo | but yeah, i assume one of the tw |
| 17:49.14 | aseigo | two |
| 17:49.32 | aseigo | Warod: plasma has nothing to do with your windows. that would be kinw |
| 17:49.34 | aseigo | er, kwin |
| 17:49.55 | Warod | didn't get crash report from that. |
| 17:50.05 | limer___ | can somone suggest a 'compact' theme? |
| 17:50.49 | ELITE_x | try that |
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| 17:51.22 | Liquid_Fire_ | has anyone had any luck running the kwin4 compositing effects on a geforce 2? |
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| 17:51.40 | Liquid_Fire_ | beryl and compiz ran fine, but kwin doesn't.. |
| 17:52.11 | tikal26 | How cna I make and icon on the panel for a non-kde app in kde 4? |
| 17:52.13 | Liquid_Fire_ | though i ran beryl/compiz on XGL |
| 17:52.31 | tikal26 | I tried the generic icon form plasm, but I can customize it |
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| 17:53.13 | cheko | tikal26: right mouse button on the app in kickoff -> add to panel |
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| 17:53.48 | tikal26 | cheko- I am in kde 4 |
| 17:54.22 | tikal26 | is not in kickoff either, I made a script and I use dto assign and icon to it |
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| 17:55.05 | tikal26 | ohh, I guess I can add it to the menu and then mov eit to the panel |
| 17:55.33 | cheko | tikal26: it should also work with the generic plasma icon |
| 17:55.37 | jiyuu | does someone know a how-to on qdbus ? |
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| 17:57.12 | tikal26 | checko I tried the generic icon and when I click on ti I only get a genral and permissions tab |
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| 17:58.01 | cheko | ikal26: what happens if you make it executable? (i'm right now not in a kde4-session) |
| 17:58.12 | tikal26 | I can add a path or a coomand line or executable or even specify the icon I want |
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| 17:58.53 | tikal26 | I can;t add a path or the toehr things that is what I meant I can´t |
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| 17:59.25 | tikal26 | oh when I triy to click on the type button to make it an executable it crashes. I wonder if I should fill a bug report to kubuntu |
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| 18:02.41 | cheko | tikal26: sorry, can't help now. i will log into my kde4-session when building kdebase is done |
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| 18:03.27 | tikal26 | checko thanks for triying anyway |
| 18:03.30 | maxamillion | has the ability to make the panel smaller been removed in kde4? |
| 18:03.51 | ELITE_x | not yet maxamillion |
| 18:04.02 | cheko | maxamillion: the config-gui is not ready |
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| 18:06.21 | AlliedEnvy | Hi, if I go to Settings->Configure Konqueror in Konqueror, I have no Plugins menu. I'm using Konqueror (and KDE) 3.5.7. Any suggestions? |
| 18:06.55 | pinotree | (gentoo user?) |
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| 18:07.02 | AlliedEnvy | pinotree: Yes. |
| 18:07.13 | PolitikerNEU | in the kde3 konqueror, is it possible to deactivate that the url changes to strigi everytime something cannot be found (and the main problem is: I cannot alter the url any longer - it keeps jumping to the original url) |
| 18:07.25 | pinotree | oh please, #gentoo-kde, we cannot cope with the insane splitting done by gentoo |
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| 18:09.16 | kinesis_ | plugged in or not, i want to preserve the LCD |
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| 18:11.22 | x_link | Baah, wrong channel again. |
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| 18:18.21 | Marcus_ | hi all. is there already a port of gtk-qt engine for kde4, so my gtk apps does not look that ugly ? |
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| 18:18.38 | pinotree | Marcus_: #qt |
| 18:18.41 | keisuke | does firefox not work in KDE4? I noticed that firefox only shows me a text file when I try to load it, is there a reason for this? |
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| 18:19.23 | Marcus_ | keisuke, here it works |
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| 18:19.32 | Marcus_ | onyl xchat craches with tray icon on. |
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| 18:23.10 | qknight | hu |
| 18:23.30 | qknight | my konqueror 3.5.8 has problems (as all versions before) rendering special characters from the wikipedia |
| 18:24.15 | chronos | how I can configure one second kicker panel in kde of fedora? not appear more than one panel for config, only appear first panel. |
| 18:24.48 | keisuke | Marcus_ thanks, but also one more thing, where have my multiple desktops gone and where is the ability to configure kicker like adding my icons for firefox and such? Or has that stuff been removed? I cant find it in system settings |
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| 18:25.21 | Marcus_ | you can drag and drop to it |
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| 18:25.59 | keisuke | alright, but multiple desktops got toasted ne? |
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| 18:28.48 | plovs | in konversation, how do i ignore joins and leaves? |
| 18:29.07 | Ange|us | depends on what you use konversation for lol |
| 18:29.16 | Ange|us | since it can imitate everything |
| 18:29.16 | Ange|us | :/ |
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| 18:29.40 | qknight | here is a screenshot for the font problem of konqueror http://dune2.dyndns.org/www-share/konqueror.jpg |
| 18:29.55 | Wunar | My little 1.5yrs old kid by bashing the keyboard and fooling with mouse managed to lock the kde session, but not with the black screen (as it is by default), but with desktop visible, and just a password input on the foreground. Now I want to do that too =) how can I? |
| 18:30.03 | Sho_ | Ange|us: Settings -> Configure Konversation -> Behavior -> Chat Window -> Hide Join/Part/Leave |
| 18:30.04 | plovs | Ange|us: just irc, this channel #kde has more joins then actual text |
| 18:30.16 | plovs | Ange|us: tnx |
| 18:30.18 | Sho_ | *Join/Part/Nick |
| 18:30.24 | qknight | Wunar: ctrl+l |
| 18:30.38 | ivanw237 | qknight: うまみ? |
| 18:30.43 | qknight | Wunar: ctrl+alt+l |
| 18:30.45 | Sho_ | plovs: Heh, now we all got confused - I answered Ange|us instead of you, and you thanked Ange|us instead of me :) |
| 18:30.57 | Sho_ | Ange|us must be a people magnet |
| 18:30.57 | qknight | ivanw237: i can read that in my utf8 konsole irssi session |
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| 18:31.07 | plovs | Sho_: tnx as well :-) |
| 18:31.08 | qknight | ivanw237: it's just konqueror which can't (maybe the whole kde) |
| 18:31.12 | Ange|us | yeah,,, explains my coolness |
| 18:31.24 | Ange|us | :P |
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| 18:32.16 | ivanw237 | qknight: URL? |
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| 18:32.59 | Wunar | qknight: doesn't work for me, but maybe it's because I've changed a lot of default shortcuts. But I can't find it in control center, the "Lock Screen" that's there hides the desktop (which is not what I want) |
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| 18:33.25 | qknight | Wunar: ctrl+alt+l (is a kde default) |
| 18:33.39 | qknight | Wunar: add a new user, and login on a second x server and try it |
| 18:33.53 | qknight | ivanw237: http://dune2.dyndns.org/www-share/konqueror.jpg |
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| 18:34.12 | ivanw237 | qknight: those characters with problem are kanji, I think it's rendering with a font with hiragana but not kanji? |
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| 18:36.15 | qknight | ivanw237: how can i check that? |
| 18:36.33 | qknight | ivanw237: most chars from there: http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/unicode_samples.html don't work either |
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| 18:42.28 | Mobile | kde_de |
| 18:42.48 | Mobile | I'm looking for the german KDE channel |
| 18:42.51 | Mobile | !de |
| 18:43.05 | pinotree | Mobile: #kde.de |
| 18:43.13 | Mobile | thanky |
| 18:43.46 | mikkoc | pinotree: is there also an italian one? :) |
| 18:43.57 | pinotree | sort of, #kde-italia |
| 18:44.15 | mikkoc | ok i see :P |
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| 18:44.28 | Mobile | Can anybody help me ? The open programs are not displayed at the taskbar ? How can I change that ? |
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| 18:45.00 | Digital_Pioneer | http://kde.pastebin.com/m28f1a37c From building kdegames 4.0.0. Any ideas? |
| 18:45.07 | cb400f | Mobile: right click on panel > add applet -> add taskbar |
| 18:45.43 | PhilRod | hrm, what is up with all these entity errors? |
| 18:45.55 | PhilRod | lots of people have them - I don't really understand |
| 18:46.14 | Marcus_ | is there already something like a show desktop plasmaoid available for kde4? |
| 18:46.22 | Digital_Pioneer | PhilRod: Neither do I. A real pain, those. |
| 18:46.26 | PhilRod | Digital_Pioneer: have you successfully built any other kde modules? |
| 18:46.41 | Mobile | cb400f: thank you, but I've got another problem, how can i positionate the widgets to the taskbar ? |
| 18:46.50 | Wunar | qknight: ah, the magic is that lock screen executes the selected screensaver, not just blanks screen. not sure exactly don't know how the kid did that, but at least now I managed to set up it as I like, thanks |
| 18:46.53 | plovs | Marcus_: ctrl-f12? |
| 18:47.12 | Digital_Pioneer | PhilRod: kdesupport, kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase, kdebase-runtime, kdebase-workspace (had some entity errors too, I deleted the parts causing them), kdenetwork, and various others. |
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| 18:47.22 | Marcus_ | nope. i mean the classic show desktop icon |
| 18:47.27 | Digital_Pioneer | kdeartwork, kdegraphics.... |
| 18:47.30 | Digital_Pioneer | kdemultimedia. |
| 18:47.39 | PhilRod | Digital_Pioneer: ok, so not a problem with your setup then, it would seem |
| 18:47.40 | Digital_Pioneer | And kdebindings |
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| 18:47.51 | Digital_Pioneer | I should hope not. :) |
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| 18:48.55 | Marcus_ | as i dont want to press key bindings while i am using the mouse to navigate. |
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| 19:00.10 | plovs | ls |
| 19:00.25 | pinotree | bin/ etc/ lib/ share/ var/ |
| 19:00.30 | keisuke | lmao |
| 19:01.21 | keisuke | hey guys, when I right click an application on my K menu to try and add it to the desktop or panel, those two options are greyed out, I can only add it to favourites, can anyone shed some light on this? |
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| 19:06.32 | root__ | CMakeFiles/smokekde.dir/x_20.o:(.data.rel.ro._ZTV21x_Sonnet__Highlighter[vtable for x_Sonnet__Highlighter]+0x60): undefined reference to `Sonnet::Highlighter::connectNotify(char const*) |
| 19:06.40 | root__ | what is that error about? |
| 19:06.45 | root__ | please help |
| 19:07.12 | Jejem | irc as root ;) |
| 19:08.22 | kinesis_ | lol |
| 19:08.41 | kinesis_ | how do i make it so in 10minutes of inactivity my laptop screen turns off completely? |
| 19:08.42 | root__ | whats so funny about irc as root? |
| 19:08.42 | kinesis_ | plugged in or not, i want to preserve the LCD |
| 19:08.51 | root__ | i heard it 1000 times |
| 19:09.01 | root__ | i do everything as root for 4 years noe and im still alive |
| 19:09.08 | root__ | just help me with this error |
| 19:09.19 | pinotree | good, security bye bye |
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| 19:09.31 | pinotree | update kdelibs, root__ |
| 19:09.39 | root__ | i just updated |
| 19:09.40 | BrianV | hi all - how do I switch to ALSA in KDE4? |
| 19:09.44 | pinotree | and installed? |
| 19:09.49 | pinotree | BrianV: wrong question |
| 19:10.06 | BrianV | pinotree: why is that? |
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| 19:10.25 | pinotree | BrianV: kde does use use alsa or $foo directly, but uses Phonon for that |
| 19:10.35 | BrianV | under KDE4 I am getting '/dev/dsp can not be accessed' occasionally in programes |
| 19:10.44 | BrianV | oh yeah, I knew phonon does that |
| 19:10.44 | pinotree | kcmshell4 kcm_phonon, and select the alsa device (if you have it) |
| 19:10.53 | HeavenWarrior | hello guys I've a problem. I'm using Debian Sid, I've installed kde4 via experimentall branch, but i get the following error "Kde 4 could not start. Check your installation" And Some error from libkio for some symbols |
| 19:11.04 | root__ | isnt sonnet supposed to be in kdesupport? |
| 19:11.11 | pinotree | root__: no. |
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| 19:11.18 | kinesis_ | ; |
| 19:11.19 | kinesis_ | how do i make it so in 10minutes of inactivity my laptop screen turns off completely? |
| 19:11.20 | kinesis_ | plugged in or not, i want to preserve the LCD |
| 19:11.27 | root__ | so what should i do? |
| 19:11.30 | pinotree | HeavenWarrior: i heard there was few issues with debian packaging, you might want to check with the debian guys in #debian-kde |
| 19:11.30 | root__ | compile once again> |
| 19:11.54 | pinotree | kinesis_: can you please stop asking every 5 minutes? thanks. |
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| 19:12.18 | root__ | im on gentoo |
| 19:12.24 | pinotree | root__: where are you compiling from? trunk or branch? |
| 19:12.25 | BrianV | pinotree: ok, ignoring my previous question, if apps are throwing 'could not access /dev/dsp', what can I do to fix that |
| 19:12.29 | BrianV | note that it works sometimes |
| 19:12.29 | root__ | branch |
| 19:12.46 | danube | can someone tell me what libkpimexchange is for? |
| 19:12.51 | pinotree | did you install kdelibs after updating it? |
| 19:12.56 | pinotree | danube: #kontact |
| 19:13.01 | root__ | what do you mean> |
| 19:13.06 | root__ | ? |
| 19:13.09 | pinotree | make install |
| 19:13.12 | root__ | sure |
| 19:13.23 | pinotree | then clear kdebindings builddir and start again |
| 19:13.33 | root__ | kdebase compiled nicely |
| 19:13.36 | danube | pinotree: that channel seems to sleep but thanks ;) |
| 19:13.49 | pinotree | BrianV: i told you, choose another device from the available ones |
| 19:13.55 | root__ | or should i compile base after bindings? |
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| 19:14.11 | pinotree | root__: hello? are you listening to me? |
| 19:14.18 | HeavenWarrior | pinotree: gotta check, thanks |
| 19:14.24 | root__ | i am |
| 19:14.29 | root__ | but its not helping |
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| 19:14.31 | pinotree | http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdeedu/kig/index.html |
| 19:14.32 | pinotree | err |
| 19:14.36 | root__ | i keep bumping into that error |
| 19:14.37 | pinotree | <pinotree> then clear kdebindings builddir and start again |
| 19:14.48 | root__ | i did |
| 19:14.57 | root__ | i cleared and recompiled trice |
| 19:15.15 | BrianV | pinotree: I have it in order: phonon, plughw, esound, then /dev/dsp |
| 19:15.17 | BrianV | still no go |
| 19:15.49 | BrianV | I wonder if this binary is compiled to look for /dev/dsp |
| 19:16.00 | pinotree | root__: try to remove the kdelibs builddir and recompile it |
| 19:16.12 | root__ | tried that too |
| 19:16.15 | root__ | same thing |
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| 19:16.19 | root__ | kdelibs compile fine |
| 19:16.25 | root__ | kdebase does too |
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| 19:17.20 | pinotree | all the 4.0 branch compiles fine in our dashboard, so it's a local error n your side |
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| 19:17.53 | root__ | could be |
| 19:18.08 | root__ | i also keep bumping into one warning when running cmake |
| 19:18.12 | root__ | ill paste it |
| 19:18.16 | Marcus | hmm. i am still getting some dbus communication problems on my kde4 box: http://www.pastebin.org/15372 |
| 19:18.20 | pinotree | (pastebin please) |
| 19:18.29 | root__ | its rather small |
| 19:18.35 | pinotree | nope, pastebin |
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| 19:19.17 | pinotree | Marcus: dbus has nothing to do, your plasma crashed (line 17) |
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| 19:19.32 | root__ | It is impossible to order the linker search path in such a way that libraries specified as full paths will be picked by the linker. |
| 19:19.47 | Marcus | pinotree, is there a way to debug it? |
| 19:19.49 | root__ | then it list the .so files it has that problem with |
| 19:20.12 | root__ | but it continues afterwards |
| 19:20.14 | pinotree | Marcus: when you do get that crash? login? normal usage? |
| 19:20.58 | root__ | also when i make kdebinding when running initial tests i get |
| 19:21.01 | kinesis_ | d |
| 19:21.05 | root__ | Testing QT_NO_PROGRESSDIALOG *Undefined |
| 19:21.08 | root__ | and so on |
| 19:21.36 | Marcus | pinotree, during login, afterwards functions like dashboard do not work. |
| 19:21.50 | pinotree | of course, plasma has crashed |
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| 19:21.59 | pinotree | Marcus: are you using distro packages, or own compiled? |
| 19:22.15 | root__ | my plasma? |
| 19:22.24 | root__ | or marcusus? |
| 19:22.29 | pinotree | Marcus' |
| 19:22.33 | root__ | oh |
| 19:23.04 | pinotree | root__: (it would be nice if you could use a less stupid nick than root__, and possibly avoiding irc'ing as root altogether) |
| 19:23.13 | kinesis_ | rofl |
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| 19:23.16 | kinesis_ | so stupid... |
| 19:23.19 | kinesis_ | ircing as root |
| 19:23.23 | jazka | :D |
| 19:23.30 | kinesis_ | shows laziness too |
| 19:23.32 | dracony | better? |
| 19:23.34 | jazka | that's what most of the windows users do |
| 19:23.59 | pinotree | kinesis_: that's simply not caring about the personal security |
| 19:24.40 | dracony | well, i usually do that because suing and sudoing really got me mad once |
| 19:24.40 | pinotree | oh nice excuse, congrat |
| 19:24.40 | pinotree | s |
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| 19:24.46 | dracony | i have run a few webservers that had everything running as root :) |
| 19:24.54 | dracony | btw one of them has 8 clusters now :) |
| 19:25.01 | dracony | so i guess its not that bad |
| 19:25.19 | pinotree | even worse, so the first bug of every software you have, means giving a root shell to a possible intruder, good! |
| 19:25.29 | dracony | yes :) |
| 19:25.36 | pinotree | stupid, simply stupid |
| 19:25.39 | dracony | but first one would need to intrude |
| 19:25.47 | dracony | ::) |
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| 19:25.56 | kinesis_ | u dont do sudo u just open a konsole and type 'login' |
| 19:25.58 | pinotree | every software has bugs |
| 19:26.11 | pinotree | bah, do as you prefer |
| 19:26.17 | dracony | i believe that the non-irc as root has become more of a stereotype then really a needed dogma |
| 19:26.24 | JamesB192 | and the first woodpecker to show up would destroy civilization. 8-( |
| 19:26.29 | kinesis_ | if u do sudo u wont get any terminal characteristics required to run IRC such as ncurses etc |
| 19:26.53 | dracony | why cant i use my OS the way i like it? |
| 19:27.27 | kinesis_ | you can but its generally unacceptable to irc as root, most linux discussion channels will ban you, it also makes you look like an amateur... it is your choice, but you wont get much respect from others |
| 19:27.30 | dracony | its all about non-standard thinking :) thats why i got myself gentoo instead of debian :) |
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| 19:27.55 | JamesB192 | Pleas tell us you at least have pie+ssp, selinux or grsecurity+pax or something. |
| 19:28.16 | dracony | i guess that if we take people at freenode that dont irc as root, most of them will be amatures, because there are more of them on freenode :) |
| 19:28.27 | dracony | no i dont |
| 19:28.34 | dracony | i have selinux on my webservers |
| 19:28.43 | dracony | i dont on my computer |
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| 19:28.59 | dracony | undefined reference to `Sonnet::Highlighter::connectNotify(char const*)' |
| 19:29.03 | dracony | again that error |
| 19:29.31 | kinesis_ | if you just installed or updated any libraries you need: ldconfig |
| 19:29.49 | dracony | good idea thanks :) |
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| 19:30.30 | kinesis_ | let me know if that worked |
| 19:30.41 | dracony | still, am i supposed to get these undefined messages during initial tests? |
| 19:30.51 | dracony | Testing QT_NO_SIZEGRIP *Undefined* |
| 19:31.21 | shadok | please, what's the name of the web server applet for kde, i can't find it in portage |
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| 19:33.24 | dracony | ok, i missed to createe the bashrc file :( |
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| 19:35.27 | dracony | could that be a problem? |
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| 19:39.36 | Digital_Pioneer | http://kde.pastebin.com/m28f1a37c From building kdegames 4.0.0. Any ideas? |
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| 19:43.18 | reception | i'd like to use KDE on debian. what have i to do? |
| 19:43.30 | dereine | how can i restart the "kicker" in kde4? |
| 19:43.31 | dracony | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 |
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| 19:44.15 | tikal26 | dereinbe, when you mean kicker do you mean teh panel and is it dissapearing on you? |
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| 19:46.42 | gkiagia | reception: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html |
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| 19:50.41 | SSJ_GZ | dereine: http://software-libre.rudd-o.com/KDE_4.0.0_emergency_FAQ#Where_has_my_panel_disappeared_to.3F.21 |
| 19:50.46 | dereine | thx |
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| 19:53.22 | dracony | lol i had 2 panels :) |
| 19:53.29 | dracony | one from older kde version |
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| 19:55.04 | dereine | not bad :) |
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| 19:55.18 | dracony | lol, looked almoast like gnome |
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| 20:01.18 | Skeeve245 | Hi, can somebody give me a short piece of his or her valuable time. |
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| 20:01.50 | SSJ_GZ | Skeeve245: Just ask :) |
| 20:01.53 | Skeeve245 | Due to clicking to fast I setted up something and everywhere where there is a list |
| 20:02.00 | Skeeve245 | like in kmail |
| 20:02.19 | Skeeve245 | there is one line in blue the next in white and then it starts again |
| 20:02.27 | Skeeve245 | you know what i mean? |
| 20:02.38 | SSJ_GZ | Skeeve245: I think so - one moment ... |
| 20:02.51 | Skeeve245 | Probably people do it to make lists easy readable or so |
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| 20:02.55 | Skeeve245 | Thanks |
| 20:04.15 | SSJ_GZ | Skeeve245: 1. Open up system settings/ kcontrol (whichever you use ) |
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| 20:04.38 | SSJ_GZ | Skeeve245: 2. Go to Appearance and Themes -> Colours |
| 20:04.42 | Skeeve245 | SSJ_GZ: Yep |
| 20:05.02 | SSJ_GZ | Skeeve245: 3. Widget Colour -> Alternate Background in Lists |
| 20:05.26 | SSJ_GZ | Skeeve245: 4. Make sure it has the same colour as (I think) Standard Background |
| 20:06.11 | Skeeve245 | SSJ_GZ: I have to find it in german, I am not quite sure right now but searching |
| 20:06.29 | SSJ_GZ | Skeeve245: Do you have the English language pack installed? |
| 20:06.31 | holycow | where are the kde 4 wallpapers stored? |
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| 20:06.58 | Skeeve245 | Yep, I will switch |
| 20:07.05 | Skeeve245 | SSJ_GZ: just a sec |
| 20:07.08 | SSJ_GZ | Skeeve245: You can use this: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/short-tip-start-an-application-in-a-foreign-language/ |
| 20:07.22 | SSJ_GZ | Skeeve245: To launch KControl in English |
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| 20:08.09 | Skeeve245 | SSJ_GZ: Oki, found it |
| 20:08.15 | Skeeve245 | SSJ_GZ: Thanks a lot |
| 20:08.21 | SSJ_GZ | Skeeve245: np :) |
| 20:08.24 | cheko | holycow: kdebase/workspace/wallpapers/ |
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| 20:18.47 | Wunar | Are there any good alternatives to KAlarm, which would be able to do a simple "remind me in nnn minutes"? Or, alternatively, how could I pop up a message box from a shell script? |
| 20:19.21 | holycow | cheko: danke |
| 20:19.29 | SSJ_GZ | Wunar: kdialog will popup a message box - check its --help |
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| 20:20.00 | SSJ_GZ | Wunar: Remember that it will need the DISPLAY environment variable set correctly in order to work. |
| 20:20.17 | Wunar | SSJ_GZ: kdialog is perfect for my needs, thanks |
| 20:20.26 | SSJ_GZ | Wunar: Cool :) |
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| 20:24.52 | scruggsj | Is it possible to compile kdebase-3.* with cmake? Can I use the convertor script on it and use cmake? |
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| 20:26.31 | poop | in KDE 4 with openSUSE 10.3, whenever i try to goto the trash it says "Malformed URL trash:/". how can i stop that so i can see my trash? if i switch to KDE 3 I can see it fine. |
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| 20:29.02 | annma | poop: what about using Dolphin to access the trashbin? |
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| 20:30.16 | aseigo | poop: dunno what that was about, but it's fixed in both trunk/ and branch/ |
| 20:30.31 | aseigo | scruggsj: doubtful, but you could try |
| 20:30.38 | poop | ah, using dolphin fixed it. thanks |
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| 20:31.31 | scruggsj | aseigo: Okay. I will try after xine-lib 1.1.9.1 is finished installing. This will be a cool experiment. :P |
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| 20:33.42 | scruggsj | aseigo: unsermake is ticking me off and won't work, but in the past, it's the only thing that's been able to compile kickoff when patched in. << SuSE kickoff is a big pain in the ... *cough* |
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| 20:35.45 | karthikp_ | How do I disable desktop effects from a terminal in KDE4? |
| 20:36.18 | pinotree | kwriteconfig --file kwinrc --group Compositing --key Enabled --type bool false |
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| 20:36.52 | ELITE_x | pinotree can you help me with qt? |
| 20:37.06 | pinotree | ELITE_x: #qt (sorry, few time now) |
| 20:37.16 | ELITE_x | :) |
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| 20:37.18 | karthikp_ | Thanks! |
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| 20:38.30 | jrick | In KDE4, is it possible to remove the underlines under the letters like in menus? |
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| 20:40.32 | fengshaun | that is my question too! |
| 20:40.49 | in0de | anyone here use gwenview and would they recommend it? |
| 20:41.22 | cheko | in0de: in kde4? |
| 20:41.34 | in0de | kde 3.5.x |
| 20:41.56 | in0de | i use digikam and krita for my needs, but just wondered what the fuss was about with gwenview |
| 20:41.57 | cheko | in0de: i use it as my default viewer for month |
| 20:42.03 | ganymede | try it and see |
| 20:42.18 | cheko | yeah, try it out |
| 20:42.23 | keisuke | using KDE4, I have noticed that kde-config is not in my PATH anymore so therefore I can't compile packages like wlassistant because the configure script dies claiming that kde-config is missing. A little help please? |
| 20:42.31 | in0de | ok |
| 20:42.40 | killown|away | what the command to start controlcenter of kde4? |
| 20:42.56 | pinotree | systemsettings |
| 20:42.56 | cheko | killown|away: systemsettings |
| 20:43.00 | keisuke | killown|away: it's under favourites call system settings |
| 20:43.08 | pinotree | killown|away: it's kde4-config now |
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| 20:44.05 | killown|away | cheko, Pinaraf ty |
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| 20:44.22 | pinotree | erk |
| 20:44.22 | cheko | killown|away: ? |
| 20:44.28 | pinotree | keisuke: it's kde4-config now |
| 20:44.29 | Pinaraf | Forward from killown|away to pinotree : " cheko, Pinaraf ty " |
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| 20:44.43 | pinotree | Pinaraf: change nick, man :P |
| 20:44.46 | keisuke | ok ty |
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| 20:45.10 | root__ | hi |
| 20:45.13 | Pinaraf | pinotree: that's my nick since more than 4 years... |
| 20:45.25 | pinotree | root__: hey! don't irc as root! |
| 20:45.37 | root__ | sorry new at this |
| 20:45.59 | killown|away | kde4-config commando not found |
| 20:46.06 | arkascha | Is there a way to fire a context menu (typical right "mouse menu") as entry in the normal ("left") menu ? I need something to activate the context menu on a system with only a left mouse button... |
| 20:46.07 | pinotree | Pinaraf: the first 4 letters are my name since i was born :P |
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| 20:46.44 | Pinaraf | pinotree: the two first letters are the beginning of my name since 20 years |
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| 20:47.07 | pinotree | oh then i win, 2 years more ;) |
| 20:47.21 | dim | hi there! |
| 20:47.29 | dim | congrats for kde4.0.0 release ;) |
| 20:47.29 | Pinaraf | damned... |
| 20:47.29 | jrick | *ahem* ;) |
| 20:47.37 | killown|away | Pinaraf, I not found command kde4-conf |
| 20:47.38 | root__ | can someone tell me how to work this thing please |
| 20:47.53 | Pinaraf | Forward from killown|away to pinotree: "I not found command kde4-conf" |
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| 20:48.26 | pinotree | killown|away: that was not for you; systemsettings was for you |
| 20:48.42 | dim | anyway, a konsole question for you guys: how to make a shortcut to open konqueror/dolphin to the cwd of a bash konsole active term when using some configured keybinding? |
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| 20:49.06 | pinotree | like the current F4? |
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| 20:49.22 | xjunior | is there any documentation about how to write plasmoids? or better, how to write plasmoids in ruby/python |
| 20:49.22 | dim | pinotree: the other way round |
| 20:49.39 | pinotree | xjunior: #plasma |
| 20:49.39 | killown|away | pinotree, ok |
| 20:49.47 | dim | pinotree: I'm typing in a konsole and want suddenly to have a filemanager open in the CWD |
| 20:49.57 | pinotree | konqueror . & |
| 20:49.59 | pinotree | ;) |
| 20:50.00 | sredna | is there a known problem using kde4 with nvidia graphics cards? I cant seem to get desktop effects working at all (though they work fine in kde 3) |
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| 20:50.31 | killown|away | xchat crash when I click on systray any new bug kde4? |
| 20:50.43 | dim | pinotree: ok, now I'd like a shortcut, I'm using C-A-e now for launching konqueror... |
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| 20:51.03 | dim | killown|away: i'm now used to konversation and wouldn't use xchat again :) |
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| 20:52.47 | jrick | so... nobody has any idea how to get rid of the _'s underneath letters in the menus and items to select? |
| 20:53.00 | jrick | in KDE 4.0 |
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| 20:53.50 | hemna | any idea how to add new keyboard shortcuts? Looks like kde4.0 only lists kb shortcuts for switching through desktops 1 through 4 |
| 20:54.16 | dim | jrick: seems some Qt thing... did you try to look at their CSS/stylesheet configuration options? |
| 20:54.36 | jrick | dim: uuuhhhhhh... ;) |
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| 20:54.37 | hemna | system settings -> kb & mouse -> kb shortcuts only lists Switch to desktop 1-4 |
| 20:55.09 | jrick | hmm, i know what css is and everything, but have no idea what I am supposed to do with it |
| 20:55.16 | jrick | or change it |
| 20:56.01 | in0de | i am quite liking gwenview, but it seems to step on the toes of digiKam |
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| 20:56.54 | pinotree | in0de: well, they have different purpouses |
| 20:57.05 | scruggsj | What is the proper order of using cmake? Do you need to run ./configure? Or run cmake with a file like you hda to do with make, something like make -f admin/Makefile.common? |
| 20:57.28 | in0de | pinotree: yeah i still want to keep digikam for its handling of my digital camera |
| 20:57.39 | pinotree | gwenview is an image viewer, while digikam (as the name suggests) helps you managing your collection of photos |
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| 20:59.59 | keisuke | does anyone know perhaps why when I try to add an icon to the desktop or panel from the K menu, those two options are greyed out and I only can add to favourites? |
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| 21:00.09 | dim | pinotree: no dcop (python prefered) way to query current active konsole cwd and launch konq/dolphin there? |
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| 21:00.33 | pinotree | not sure, fire kdcop and explore what konsole can offer |
| 21:00.43 | dim | pinotree: I'll do, thx |
| 21:00.47 | in0de | well have to say i am liking gwenview, but it keeps crashing (v1.4) |
| 21:01.09 | jrick | dim: how/was it configurable in kde3.x? |
| 21:02.22 | dim | jrick: no idea :) |
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| 21:03.15 | hemna | how do you do "Administrator mode" for some of the kde4 system settings? |
| 21:03.33 | hemna | such as date & time...all the settings are greyed out, and there is no way to 'sudo' into modify the settings |
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| 21:03.45 | dergringo | Hi |
| 21:04.23 | dergringo | I'm looking for a how to for writing plasmoids |
| 21:04.41 | Heiki | hemna: doesn’t work apparently, you’ll have to say ”sudo systemsettings” |
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| 21:09.56 | SSJ_GZ | dergringo: #plasma might be the best place, but they are pretty busy. I think a HOWTO is on their long, long list of TODOs :/ |
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| 21:10.10 | SSJ_GZ | dergringo: Why not look at some existing Plasmoids? |
| 21:10.54 | Qrawl | theres an understatement |
| 21:11.05 | dergringo | SSJ_GZ: Thank you. My programming skills are not that good. It's not an opportunity for me to go the reverse way :/ |
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| 21:11.30 | wwallace | hello can anyone help with kamail? |
| 21:11.34 | wwallace | my problem is |
| 21:11.37 | wwallace | i have comcast |
| 21:11.43 | wwallace | i was able to send messages |
| 21:11.45 | SSJ_GZ | dergringo: Ok, but watching what other people do is often the best way to learn. Programming is no exception :) |
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| 21:11.55 | wwallace | then one day stopped couldnt send anymore? |
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| 21:12.15 | boom1992 | wwallace: do you changed any settings? |
| 21:12.23 | wwallace | no |
| 21:12.27 | wwallace | i called comcast |
| 21:12.36 | dergringo | SSJ_GZ: Yes I know. Usually I look at any how to then I look what other people did then I try it myself :) |
| 21:12.37 | boom1992 | perhaps you should delete you kmail-configs and start from a clean point? |
| 21:12.40 | wwallace | they said they change the smtp port from 25 to 581 |
| 21:12.48 | wwallace | i changed it but no good |
| 21:12.52 | wwallace | still can not send |
| 21:12.55 | boom1992 | :( |
| 21:13.07 | SSJ_GZ | dergringo: Ok - I don't think there is a proper HOWTO available yet, though. |
| 21:13.16 | wwallace | boom1992, how do i do that but saving my messages? |
| 21:13.23 | dergringo | SSJ_GZ: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma |
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| 21:14.01 | boom1992 | wwallace: look in your ~/.kde/share/config/kmail-dir |
| 21:14.02 | boom1992 | .. |
| 21:14.07 | wwallace | i c |
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| 21:14.30 | wwallace | hoe do i start fresh? |
| 21:14.36 | wwallace | like new config? |
| 21:14.54 | aroedl | wwallace: Try connecting via telnet to the SMTP-Port: telnet the.comcast.smtp.server smtp |
| 21:15.19 | aroedl | wwallace: Then try it with: telnet the.comcast.smtp.server 581 |
| 21:15.23 | wwallace | hows that command? |
| 21:15.49 | aroedl | wwallace: Only, if you know how to use telnet on a console. |
| 21:16.04 | wwallace | well i dont |
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| 21:16.12 | aroedl | wwallace: Would have been a nice quick check if the port is correct. |
| 21:16.14 | zwerg | Hi. |
| 21:16.33 | wwallace | hmm |
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| 21:17.01 | zwerg | Does kdm uses /usr/bin/startx to invoke X? |
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| 21:19.15 | thiago_home | zwerg: no |
| 21:19.29 | thiago_home | zwerg: it runs the command you tell it to. Generally, it's /usr/bin/X |
| 21:19.45 | ELITE_x | stupid question |
| 21:19.51 | thiago_home | then don't ask |
| 21:19.54 | ELITE_x | can i download plasmoids somewhere? |
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| 21:20.28 | zwerg | Alright. So how do I set the resolution (as in dpi)? |
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| 21:20.48 | thiago_home | zwerg: you shouldn't. The DPI is the ratio between your resolution and your monitor size. |
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| 21:21.02 | thiago_home | ELITE_x: right now, only from the KDE release tarballs. |
| 21:21.17 | killown | how do i to disable kde4 xgl effects? |
| 21:21.17 | ELITE_x | nice |
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| 21:21.22 | Amara_Emerson | applications dont get added to favourites menu |
| 21:21.25 | thiago_home | killown: KDE doesn't use Xgl. |
| 21:21.33 | ELITE_x | i will make some nice plasmoid |
| 21:21.36 | ELITE_x | :D |
| 21:21.48 | killown | thiago I want disable effects kde |
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| 21:22.02 | ELITE_x | killown: use kwin |
| 21:22.07 | zwerg | thiago, I mean for fonts. Since I use kdm and kde 4 I have 81 dpi, which sucks pretty much. |
| 21:22.09 | ELITE_x | that contorl effects |
| 21:22.14 | ijn | hi all |
| 21:22.18 | dergringo | killown: it is called "compositing" |
| 21:22.18 | thiago_home | zwerg: right. What I told you is still valid. |
| 21:22.33 | killown | then I want disable composit |
| 21:22.33 | zwerg | So I shouldn't set it myself? |
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| 21:22.37 | thiago_home | zwerg: unless it has detected your monitor with the wrong size. |
| 21:22.48 | thiago_home | zwerg: if it has, then you can teach X what the monitor size is. |
| 21:23.04 | ijn | in kde environment what do you use to watch movies on line? |
| 21:23.08 | thiago_home | ijn: kmplayer |
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| 21:23.28 | ijn | I need an alternative gstreamer in gnome |
| 21:23.31 | killown | can anyone help me disable composit? |
| 21:23.45 | ELITE_x | killown: just run Kwin |
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| 21:23.59 | TheFuzzball | why is there no channel for KDE4? |
| 21:24.26 | killown | ELITE_x: I will have to start kwin every time ? |
| 21:24.31 | ELITE_x | no |
| 21:24.36 | killown | ty |
| 21:24.45 | Qrawl | because KDE4 is KDE now |
| 21:24.47 | ijn | thiago:is kmplayer ok to watch some media on line? |
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| 21:25.03 | pedepy2 | i wouldnt go so far as to say that Qrawl |
| 21:25.06 | TheFuzzball | right, in that case... |
| 21:25.08 | zwerg | thiago_home, I always gave the server -dpi 96 so that the font rendering on all my machines are the same, though they have different display sizes. What's the problem with that? |
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| 21:25.31 | TheFuzzball | cna someone look at this please: http://kde.pastey.net/80689 , I am trying to build KDE4 from trunk and I get an error 2 |
| 21:25.45 | TheFuzzball | can* |
| 21:25.49 | killown | ELITE_x: it not disable composit though... |
| 21:26.04 | ELITE_x | no way |
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| 21:26.29 | ijn | what is the alternative of manager network(gnome) in kde??? |
| 21:26.30 | ELITE_x | there is many many settings disable what you want |
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| 21:27.31 | dergringo | ijn: knetworkmanager |
| 21:27.31 | ijn | what app can control best my wireless in laptop??? |
| 21:27.39 | ELITE_x | thiago_home: where can i upload plasmoids? ( if done ) |
| 21:27.42 | ijn | ok thanks |
| 21:29.32 | ijn | what video player is best in kde 3.5.8???? |
| 21:29.46 | ijn | that can play stream from firefox too?? |
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| 21:30.32 | fengshaun | for movies I use Kaffeine |
| 21:30.37 | fengshaun | media player: amarok |
| 21:30.46 | KDElegant | ijn: kaffeine |
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| 21:30.59 | fengshaun | stream, you would also like vlc too! |
| 21:31.01 | ijn | does it have a plugin for firefox?? |
| 21:31.21 | ELITE_x | firefox auto update plugins |
| 21:31.44 | scruggsj | Why does dolphin create .directory files and how do I stop it from doing that? |
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| 21:32.25 | ijn | one more thing..... |
| 21:32.39 | ijn | how can make firefox pretty |
| 21:32.41 | ELITE_x | ? |
| 21:32.49 | ijn | after install it looks agly |
| 21:32.59 | ijn | im not talkin to theme stuff |
| 21:33.00 | scruggsj | install a theme for it? |
| 21:33.05 | scruggsj | oh |
| 21:33.22 | thiago_home | ijn: Firefox is not a KDE application. |
| 21:33.25 | ijn | I mean buttons like in google page look agly |
| 21:33.30 | thiago_home | ijn: we cannot help you to make it pretty. |
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| 21:33.46 | ijn | ok but any idea??? |
| 21:33.50 | thiago_home | ELITE_x: when you're done, upload to the playground in subversion. |
| 21:33.54 | ijn | thanks anyway |
| 21:34.00 | thiago_home | ELITE_x: or even if you're not done. |
| 21:34.05 | thiago_home | ijn: yes, one idea: #firefox |
| 21:34.17 | ijn | hi hi hi:) |
| 21:34.19 | ijn | thanks |
| 21:34.19 | ELITE_x | i will |
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| 21:35.55 | scruggsj | Anyone for my question? Why does dolphin create .directory files and how do I stop it from doing that? |
| 21:36.11 | thiago_home | scruggsj: it creates them to store the per-folder settings. |
| 21:36.15 | ELITE_x | gamhacking is borin i need smtg new |
| 21:36.20 | ELITE_x | game* |
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| 21:36.29 | dracony | guys i have installed kde4 |
| 21:36.37 | scruggsj | thiago_home: ah. Is there a setting to stop that then? |
| 21:36.39 | dracony | i can start with via startkde |
| 21:36.48 | dracony | but why isnt it in my session list in kdm? |
| 21:36.55 | dracony | and why kdm has no background |
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| 21:37.50 | dergringo | dracony: what dist? |
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| 21:38.13 | thiago_home | scruggsj: I don't know. |
| 21:38.22 | thiago_home | dracony: are you using kdm from KDE 4? |
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| 21:39.25 | dracony | mmm |
| 21:39.29 | dracony | i thought about that |
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| 21:39.33 | dracony | but i guess now |
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| 21:39.40 | ELITE_x | thiago_home: are you developer? |
| 21:39.46 | dracony | btw, is kde4 supposed to get installed into home folder? |
| 21:39.59 | dracony | well, not a kde developer |
| 21:40.24 | dracony | i guess i screwed up bashrc :) |
| 21:40.31 | thiago_home | ELITE_x: yes |
| 21:40.47 | thiago_home | dracony: if you told it to install into your home folder, then it was supposed to |
| 21:41.02 | dracony | mmm |
| 21:41.10 | dracony | i dont remember changing that part :) |
| 21:41.21 | thiago_home | dracony: did you build from sources? |
| 21:42.02 | dracony | yes |
| 21:42.12 | thiago_home | what did you set CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX to? |
| 21:42.22 | dracony | anyway, where can i add kde to session list? |
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| 21:42.36 | thiago_home | somewhere to kdm's config |
| 21:42.41 | thiago_home | I don't remember by heart where |
| 21:42.46 | ELITE_x | possible to donate fro kde community? |
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| 21:42.50 | ELITE_x | for* |
| 21:42.59 | dracony | that prefix is not set |
| 21:43.12 | dracony | 0_o |
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| 21:43.28 | thiago_home | ELITE_x: donate to the community? A bit difficult, since "community" is a very loose term. |
| 21:43.36 | thiago_home | ELITE_x: you can donate to the KDE e.V. |
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| 21:43.44 | ELITE_x | nice |
| 21:43.54 | dracony | ok |
| 21:44.06 | dracony | is there a quick way to merge these directories? |
| 21:44.09 | ELITE_x | well i have a lil community too |
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| 21:44.41 | dracony | i mean if i have kde root in /user/kde/ and i want to make those files go to / |
| 21:44.41 | jrick | Does anybody know how to remove the _'s under the letters in the menus and options in KDE 4.0? It's driving me insane, because I perfer to have my text clean of clutter. |
| 21:44.47 | dracony | how do i do that? |
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| 21:46.05 | ELITE_x | got it donating :D |
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| 21:46.33 | thiago_home | jrick: It might be part of the style. |
| 21:46.39 | thiago_home | jrick: you'd have to write code to get rid of them. |
| 21:46.47 | jrick | oh :( |
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| 21:47.53 | zwerg | jrick, Is it under the text or does it go straight through it? |
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| 21:48.04 | jrick | zwerg: under the text |
| 21:48.29 | zwerg | It used to go through the bottom in earlier versions for me but now it's fine. |
| 21:48.31 | jrick | like <alt>f to open the file menu |
| 21:49.30 | jrick | so is this a thing with oxygen then? is there an #oxygen chanel where I could ask them for this feature? |
| 21:49.40 | zwerg | jrick, There is. |
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| 21:50.25 | ELITE_x | thiago_home: |
| 21:50.27 | ELITE_x | The payment for your purchase from K Desktop Environment e.V. has been completed. |
| 21:50.30 | ELITE_x | :) |
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| 21:50.44 | thiago_home | ELITE_x: paypal? |
| 21:51.08 | ELITE_x | yes |
| 21:51.10 | zwerg | Is playground writeable for everyone? |
| 21:51.15 | thiago_home | zwerg: yes |
| 21:51.16 | pinotree | yes |
| 21:51.22 | zwerg | Nice... |
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| 21:52.07 | zwerg | In order to build the plasma things in there, do I need to grab the whole dir? |
| 21:52.43 | Ange|us | guys, can k9copy crack backup protections of dvds? |
| 21:52.45 | Ange|us | :/ |
| 21:52.49 | thiago_home | zwerg: playground/base. |
| 21:53.01 | thiago_home | Ange|us: don't ask here. |
| 21:53.10 | Ange|us | where should i ask then? |
| 21:53.13 | Ange|us | they dont have a channel... |
| 21:53.28 | thiago_home | I have no idea. |
| 21:53.44 | pinotree | cracking protections is not legal, thus you are forbidden to ask such things here |
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| 21:54.15 | feindbild | *g* doesn't need to be crackes ... has already been done ^^ |
| 21:54.21 | zwerg | Maybe he's from a strange Island from where he is allowed to ask :) |
| 21:54.22 | feindbild | *cracked |
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| 21:54.39 | thiago_home | but we may not be allowed to answer. If it's cracking, let's refrain from it. |
| 21:54.49 | Ange|us | not true pinotree... the dvd companies are illegal to make protections in their dvds to prevent backups... since to own a personal backup is legal :) |
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| 21:55.14 | pinotree | Ange|us: you explicitely asked for cracking → illegal |
| 21:55.30 | Ange|us | cracking something that is illegal is illegal too? |
| 21:55.32 | pinotree | i don't care whether it's yours, whether what you what to do |
| 21:55.39 | thiago_home | Ange|us: two wrongs don't make a right. |
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| 21:55.52 | thiago_home | Ange|us: are you allowed to kill a thief? |
| 21:56.07 | Ange|us | depends by which law |
| 21:56.08 | Ange|us | xD |
| 21:56.18 | thiago_home | Ange|us: let's stop right here. |
| 21:56.25 | thiago_home | we don't know k9copy. So the point is moot. |
| 21:56.30 | Ange|us | ok ok |
| 21:56.54 | thiago_home | "It's a moo point. A cow's opinion." -- Joey Tribbiani |
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| 21:57.19 | seria-mau | how can i readd trash to places in dolphin, if i accidentally deleted it? |
| 21:59.34 | berniyh | seria-mau: create a symbol, that contains trash:/ as an address |
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| 22:00.39 | zwerg | Is there a playground build recipe somewhere? :) |
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| 22:01.45 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: The incredibly useful ability to right-click on Places and add a place was removed for (sigh) "usability reasons" |
| 22:02.01 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: So I had to spend ages finding out how to do this. |
| 22:02.26 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: In Dolphin, go to trash:/. Then right-click somewhere in the empty folder and choose "Add to Places" |
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| 22:02.38 | SSJ_GZ | *somewhere empty in the folder |
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| 22:19.21 | ijn | hi all |
| 22:19.44 | ijn | does kaffeine palys video from stage6??? |
| 22:19.57 | thiago_home | what's stage6? |
| 22:20.09 | ijn | web site like youtube |
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| 22:20.22 | meister_ | anyone here good wih vmware? |
| 22:20.23 | mxttie | so you mean flash video? =) |
| 22:20.30 | ijn | no |
| 22:20.36 | thiago_home | ijn: how do they serve their videos? |
| 22:20.39 | ijn | it's not flash video |
| 22:20.50 | ijn | divx |
| 22:20.57 | ijn | i think |
| 22:21.11 | thiago_home | if it's divx, then it's supported |
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| 22:21.36 | ijn | stage6.com |
| 22:21.47 | thiago_home | not going there |
| 22:22.06 | ijn | can you please try?' |
| 22:22.08 | carluva | I have a kvirc question...I think this is where I should ask it... |
| 22:22.16 | seria-mau | SSJ_GZ: thanks! |
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| 22:22.39 | thiago_home | carluva: more or less. kvirc is a semi-KDE application and hasn't been updated in a while. |
| 22:22.43 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: np :) |
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| 22:23.20 | amason_ | ijn: if it's divx then it's supported as thiago_home said |
| 22:23.25 | seria-mau | SSJ_GZ: URL cannot be listed |
| 22:23.36 | seria-mau | SSJ_GZ: trash:/ |
| 22:23.38 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: What, trash:/ ? |
| 22:23.43 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: oo-er |
| 22:23.44 | seria-mau | yes |
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| 22:23.59 | carluva | kvirc sends a "/who" every hour or so to keep the away list up to date...unfortunately, the results get dumped to my screen, so the conversation I'm in suddenly gets disrupted by hundreds of lines of /who responses |
| 22:24.10 | ELITE_x | o_O |
| 22:24.13 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: try just trash: |
| 22:24.38 | seria-mau | SSJ_GZ: same. and same for trash |
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| 22:25.35 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: What is the complete error if you use trash:/ ? |
| 22:25.44 | carluva | if the /who is unnecessary, I can just turn it off, but I'd rather suppress the output in the channel; I can't find a way to do that... |
| 22:26.06 | SSJ_GZ | seria-mau: And does trash:/ work in Konqueror? |
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| 22:26.56 | carluva | fyi, I'm having some awful lag right now... |
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| 22:30.03 | alsuren | carluva try using konversation |
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| 22:34.45 | nji | what codecs should I install to play allmost everything with kaffeine including streaming???? |
| 22:35.06 | HS^ | xine? |
| 22:35.22 | nji | the engine?? |
| 22:35.39 | nji | xine |
| 22:36.01 | amason_ | nji: www.fluendo.com <--- I use these |
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| 22:36.47 | carluva | alsuren: okay, I'll give it a try |
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| 22:37.31 | nji | so how to install fluendo in pclinuxos |
| 22:37.43 | thiago_home | nji: not a KDE application |
| 22:37.53 | nji | amason:can you tell how to do it??? |
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| 22:38.19 | pinotree | nji: first of all, if you caould reduce the number of '?' in your questions, they could look more polite |
| 22:38.39 | alsuren | nji: /join #pclinuxos |
| 22:38.40 | pinotree | nji: second, this is more a job for the distro, so you should ask in the channel of your distro |
| 22:38.55 | nji | ok |
| 22:38.58 | nji | thanks |
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| 22:39.25 | alsuren | nji: sorry: #pclinuxos-support |
| 22:39.25 | amason_ | nji: erm...not sure about your distro sorry ,but they just go into gstreamer |
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| 22:39.39 | amason_ | nji: there are instructions from fluendo |
| 22:39.39 | alsuren | http://www.pclinuxos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=67 |
| 22:39.58 | amason_ | which will prolly work for pclinuxos too |
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| 22:40.33 | nji | ok thank all of you. |
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| 22:42.31 | andre | hello all |
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| 22:43.22 | andre | i want change a superkaramba-theme... |
| 22:43.46 | andre | i need the using memory without cache |
| 22:44.03 | andre | for using memory with cache i have the follow line: |
| 22:44.04 | andre | text x=264 y=56 sensor=memory format="%us MB" align=right interval=4000 |
| 22:44.31 | andre | anyone can give me the right parameter for getting value without cache? |
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| 22:45.49 | aantipop | is kde4 capable of handling bluetooth ? |
| 22:45.51 | aantipop | i dont see any application for that |
| 22:46.05 | andre | ah - i founded |
| 22:46.12 | andre | google ur friend =) |
| 22:46.18 | andre | %fmb |
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| 22:47.38 | andre | umb |
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| 22:53.44 | Digital_Pioneer | NOTE: Just discovered, if your KDE4 won't build because of index.docbook and entity errors, etc. then you should check your env vars! |
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| 22:53.56 | Onyx | does anyone here know where amarok keeps its default icon? |
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| 22:54.26 | Digital_Pioneer | I had one, $KDEDIRS which pointed to /usr and my kde3 dir, and that was messing me up. If anyone asks about this (common problem, I hear) then that's it! |
| 22:54.40 | PhilRod | ah, neat |
| 22:54.50 | N-0-X | Hello. Where can I get help with kde four live? |
| 22:54.56 | PhilRod | here |
| 22:55.14 | PhilRod | well, in principle |
| 22:56.07 | N-0-X | OK. Great. |
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| 22:56.58 | N-0-X | So basically, kde four live (the opensuse based livecd) doesn't boot. I have errors for almost every shared librairy: "error loading shared librairy blah-blah.so.*" |
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| 22:57.28 | N-0-X | And when I boot in "failsafe", it doesn't have any init at all. |
| 22:57.56 | Digital_Pioneer | Hmm, what all in in KDE4's kdetoys module? |
| 22:57.56 | jose | N-0-X: check your media for errors |
| 22:58.11 | N-0-X | By the way, I'm using the kde four live version of january 11th (it took me like 8 hours to download too) |
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| 22:58.37 | N-0-X | jose, the cd-rw is brand new, never used, not a scratch |
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| 22:59.13 | jose | N-0-X: you may have a bad burn, even if the cd is new |
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| 22:59.35 | jose | N-0-X: I think there is an option for checking your media in the live cd boot screen |
| 22:59.46 | N-0-X | jose, ok i'll try to do that. ;à |
| 22:59.49 | N-0-X | * ;) |
| 23:00.04 | N-0-X | and if the cd says it is in good condition, what could the problem be? |
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| 23:00.22 | N-0-X | I looked for comments about it and I seem to be the only one with problems :s |
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| 23:00.40 | Lucifer | N-0-X: bad cd rom? |
| 23:00.44 | Lucifer | bad drive, I mean |
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| 23:01.16 | N-0-X | Lucifer, no,no, my drive works good. I've never had problems with it and the computer is only a year old. |
| 23:01.29 | Lucifer | I've had new drives fail in less than a year |
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| 23:01.35 | jose | N-0-X: I had a lot of problems in the past with bad burns, I think it may be your problem too |
| 23:01.46 | Lucifer | boot up a known good livecd and see what happens. Kernel panics on a livecd are a sure sign of either a bad cd, or a bad drive |
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| 23:02.32 | N-0-X | Lucifer, i don't have a kernel panic. I have "error while loading shared library". I'll stick with jose 's idea for the moment. ;) |
| 23:02.58 | Lucifer | he's probably in the right direction, I was just answering your question. "If the CD is good, what else can be wrong?" ;) |
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| 23:04.13 | N-0-X | Lucifer, oohh, ok, ok. I didn't understand it that way. Thanks then. ;) |
| 23:04.27 | N-0-X | and thanks for clarifying the point too |
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| 23:09.08 | Onyx | does anyone here know where amarok keeps its default icon? |
| 23:09.29 | Lucifer | default icons folder? |
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| 23:13.30 | N-0-X | Bye |
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| 23:14.59 | Romina | hi |
| 23:15.35 | Romina | user "max" edited his K-Menu. User "ronny" likes the edited K-Menu and wants exact the same K-Menu |
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| 23:15.38 | geierAL | Hi |
| 23:15.54 | Romina | how can root copy this edited K-Menu from one useraccount to an other one? |
| 23:15.58 | Romina | hi geierAL |
| 23:16.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Hi geierAL |
| 23:16.56 | Pete-J | Hello there i found that the konqueror icon really is not resembling what it really is, so i have gimped togheter a more correct icon which can be found over here http://unlogical.net/konqueror/index.html - i am wondering if you could put it upstream? |
| 23:17.11 | geierAL | i m using own build 4.0.0 packages.. and hwave the problem with kmix/sound backend mutes every session the whole sound.. is this a known issue? or did i somethin wrong? |
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| 23:18.29 | Romina | hi emu |
| 23:19.17 | pinotree | carluva: can you please disable the away message? thanks" |
| 23:19.18 | pinotree | ! |
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| 23:20.37 | Pete-J | Digital_Pioneer: but it's not resembling what it really is, it's like to give an image an audio icon |
| 23:20.39 | Digital_Pioneer | There no ops in here? Why is Pete-J still around?... |
| 23:21.04 | pinotree | um? |
| 23:21.18 | Romina | Digital_Pioneer, well, also if it could be understood as trolling around, I think there is actually no real reason for kicking |
| 23:21.38 | Romina | no spamming, no flooding, just a joke with a sexual background |
| 23:21.47 | Digital_Pioneer | .... I would consider it plenty of reason for banning. |
| 23:21.47 | Romina | but thats just my opinion |
| 23:21.55 | Romina | ic |
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| 23:22.34 | Digital_Pioneer | But hey, maybe I'm old-school. |
| 23:22.37 | *** kick/#kde [Pete-J!n=pino@kde/pino] by pinotree (spam and offesive) |
| 23:22.46 | Digital_Pioneer | pinotree: :) |
| 23:23.01 | pinotree | joke ok, but up to a polite level |
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| 23:23.34 | Digital_Pioneer | I consider that about as much a joke as being given hello.jpg as an error message someone was getting. |
| 23:24.29 | Romina | may I please place a question concerning the application "kontact" ? |
| 23:24.49 | pinotree | sure you can! |
| 23:24.59 | Romina | egroupware and kontact can be sync'ed |
| 23:25.02 | pinotree | rule #1: "don't ask to ask, just ask" |
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| 23:25.23 | Romina | egroupware got a feature that I am not sure about if kontact can deal with it |
| 23:25.30 | Romina | maybe you know the infolog of egroupware |
| 23:25.40 | Romina | I can add infos about events to every addressbook entry |
| 23:25.57 | Romina | e.g. phone calls, emails, notes, meetings and so on |
| 23:26.06 | zak | is there anywhere for me to download kde 4 for opensuse 10.3 now that opensuse.org's repo's are down? |
| 23:26.12 | Romina | can I add the same info to addressbook entries in kontact? |
| 23:26.45 | Romina | btw. please excuse wrong spelling / bad grammer since english is not my first language |
| 23:27.09 | vvizard | I'm having trouble compiling a program when I try to include a dialog from designer-qt4 in the project. Followed this tutorial (http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/Using_Qt_Designer#Using_the_UI_in_Your_Code). The sourcecode is pasted here: http://rafb.net/p/HsVdvK52.html . Does anyone know what I've done wrong? |
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| 23:27.32 | pinotree | vvizard: → #qt |
| 23:27.43 | vvizard | pinotree: Ok thanks |
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| 23:28.40 | jose | zak: I think http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/DESKTOP/openSUSE_10.3/ is up |
| 23:28.56 | zak | ah sweet, thanks |
| 23:29.14 | Overfiend | Konqueror doesn't view plain text files correctly for me (and hasn't for years). I guess I goofed up my config somehow in a way that upgrades won't fix. For example, the URL http://redwald.deadbeast.net/tmp/foo.txt yields the following error: "There was an error loading the module Embedded Text Viewer. The diagnostics is [sic]: Library files for ".la" not found in paths." |
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| 23:29.45 | Overfiend | It then places some strange headers in the browser window that look like they're supposed to correspond to some sort of process manager. |
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| 23:30.09 | Overfiend | Task Name, Session Time, Time, Total Session Time, Time |
| 23:30.20 | Overfiend | How can I unscrew Konqueror so that it'll just show me the text? |
| 23:30.48 | bud12345 | Overfiend: I don't recall if ldconfig is for .la, but to be safe, su, then run ldconfig. Then open konq previews and remove the embedded preview handler for it. then click ok. after wards go back and re-add it. |
| 23:31.18 | Overfiend | bud12345: I don't think ldconfig touches .la files but it should be harmless enough. Will try it. |
| 23:31.56 | bud12345 | I've had the same problem, and it was caused by some old definition of a preview handler. Removing and re-adding the handler fixed it. |
| 23:32.46 | Overfiend | er, how do I open konq previews? Also, this task manager things added menus to the menu bar. |
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| 23:33.04 | Overfiend | oh |
| 23:33.08 | Overfiend | I've got it, it's in settings. |
| 23:33.11 | Overfiend | Previews and Meta-Data |
| 23:33.20 | bud12345 | Over: If it's a file on your local drive, you can right-click the file and choose the "tool" icon. |
| 23:33.33 | bud12345 | Otherwise I think it's in settings, web browser settings somewhere |
| 23:33.57 | bud12345 | I got one - every time I restart my box and log in, kompare starts. Every damn time. |
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| 23:34.08 | Overfiend | bud12345: nope, it's remote, but IIRC konqueror doesn't work on local text files either |
| 23:34.14 | Overfiend | (for me) |
| 23:34.34 | Overfiend | I think I need to use File Associations for remote text files...does that sound right? |
| 23:34.41 | Overfiend | because MIME is used for content-negotiation |
| 23:34.43 | bud12345 | Over: I've seen multiple handlers for a mime type before - one (default) bad, and another that worked. |
| 23:34.54 | bud12345 | Sounds right. |
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| 23:35.32 | Overfiend | oh, jeez, I've got 6 handlers for text/plain |
| 23:36.53 | Overfiend | bud12345: Okay, removing Embedded Text Viewer worked. Trying to re-add it...caused Konqueror to SEGV. |
| 23:37.22 | bud12345 | Hehe.. |
| 23:37.39 | bud12345 | try it again |
| 23:38.06 | Overfiend | bud12345: relaunching and reloading the file, I don't get the error about ".la", but it now doesn't prompt me to save the text file to disk, and tosses me straight into this task manager thing |
| 23:38.34 | Overfiend | This appears to be Karm |
| 23:38.52 | bud12345 | It seems that maybe "Karm" is set up to handle files ending in .txt? |
| 23:39.47 | Overfiend | it's at the top of the list now, after I removed Embedded Text Viewer |
| 23:39.55 | Digital_Pioneer | Is INDI a project of KDE? |
| 23:40.00 | Overfiend | apparently what had been happening was, loading ETV failed so it fell back to karm_part |
| 23:40.13 | Overfiend | now it goes straight to karm_part, but I'm trying to re-add ETV and put it first |
| 23:40.15 | bud12345 | Over: You'll notice in konq->settings->file associations that it's possible to put any arbitrary extension on a mime-type. So there could multiple entries servicing .txt endings. |
| 23:40.32 | Overfiend | bud12345: oh yes, and like I said, I had 6 of them |
| 23:40.33 | bud12345 | Over: Re-add the embedded text viewer now. |
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| 23:40.43 | bud12345 | And place it at the top. |
| 23:40.46 | Overfiend | I did. ANd no crash this time. |
| 23:40.59 | Qrawl | good. Kubuntu is keeping up with KDE4 changes |
| 23:41.02 | bud12345 | Is it the top of the list? Work? |
| 23:41.14 | Overfiend | bud12345: back at the top of the list. Same problem as before. |
| 23:41.17 | Overfiend | exactly |
| 23:41.19 | bud12345 | .la? |
| 23:41.20 | geierAL | Qrawl, what do u mean? |
| 23:41.23 | bud12345 | Or launches karm? |
| 23:41.34 | Overfiend | bud12345: both. Fails on ETV with the .la problem, then runs karm_part |
| 23:42.08 | Overfiend | bud12345: is there any other way to invoke/test ETV? |
| 23:42.15 | bud12345 | Hmm... the embedded view seems to be a problem. |
| 23:42.17 | Overfiend | It may just plain be broken on PowerPC. |
| 23:42.17 | bud12345 | What's etv? |
| 23:42.22 | Overfiend | Embedded Text Viewer |
| 23:42.28 | bud12345 | hehe.. |
| 23:42.28 | Qrawl | geierAL, a simple sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade keeps your KDE4 up to date |
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| 23:42.41 | bud12345 | I wouldn't know how to invoke it directly. |
| 23:42.58 | Overfiend | since it's "embedded", I'd imagine there is no way, except via another app. |
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| 23:42.59 | jose | Qrawl: as long as you are on a debian-based system :-) |
| 23:43.09 | Qrawl | ok |
| 23:43.10 | bud12345 | maybe dcop. |
| 23:43.14 | Qrawl | Debian then |
| 23:43.29 | bud12345 | You can script kparts off the command line, and the embedded viewer is a dcop component. |
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| 23:43.45 | bud12345 | Over: Check this: |
| 23:43.51 | Qrawl | well its from the ppa made for Kubuntu specifically |
| 23:44.05 | bud12345 | In file associations there are TWO tabs for a mime type (text/plain) - general and embedding. |
| 23:44.11 | bud12345 | Have you looked at both? |
| 23:44.38 | geierAL | Qrawl, u mean they have 4.0.0 mini-minor bugfix releases? |
| 23:44.38 | Overfiend | bud12345: Yes. I looked only at the embedding tab because "general" functionality opens a text file with GVim, which is what I want. |
| 23:44.41 | bud12345 | The app pref order is what happens when you right-click and choose Open with (I think), or what happens if the default for that mime-type is to open with an app. |
| 23:44.57 | Qrawl | geierAL, looks that way |
| 23:44.59 | Overfiend | bud12345: I moved Embedded Advanced Text Viewer to the top of the embedded preference list and it works fine. |
| 23:45.15 | Qrawl | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 23:45.15 | Qrawl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.15 | Qrawl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.21 | bud12345 | Really? Well that means it's fixed, right? |
| 23:45.24 | Overfiend | bud12345: I think there is still a bug here with the un-advanced (retarded? >;-) ) text viewer, and I should probably file it. |
| 23:45.32 | pinotree | Qrawl: hey, see topic please |
| 23:45.34 | geierAL | Qrawl, what are version numbers? |
| 23:45.45 | pinotree | distro problems to distro channels |
| 23:45.47 | Overfiend | bud12345: But I want to know from you KDE gurus how best to describe this bug for filing. |
| 23:45.49 | bud12345 | So the problem was that another app was set to default for text/plain? |
| 23:45.50 | Qrawl | pinotree, ok sorry |
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| 23:46.03 | Qrawl | its not a problem though |
| 23:46.20 | bud12345 | I'm definitely not a kde guru - nothing to do with dev, never filed a bug report. Sad really, been using it since 1.0. :)= |
| 23:46.20 | Qrawl | I was just showing what updates there are |
| 23:46.32 | Overfiend | bud12345: if you can give me an example for scripting kparts from the command line to run ETV, I can probably create a rudimentary enough repro case for a bug report. |
| 23:46.58 | Overfiend | or, at least, narrow down the problem to just embedded ETV in Konqueror specifically |
| 23:47.12 | Qrawl | geierAL, Of what |
| 23:47.58 | bud12345 | Over: search google for dcop examples. Never done it myself. |
| 23:48.06 | Overfiend | damn. Okay. |
| 23:48.13 | geierAL | Qrawl, of those upgraded packages.. |
| 23:48.18 | Qrawl | geierAL, Of what |
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| 23:48.38 | geierAL | Qrawl, workspace for example |
| 23:48.57 | Qrawl | Ill look at Dolphin |
| 23:49.14 | Qrawl | I dont know what workspace is |
| 23:49.16 | geierAL | the version shown in your package manager i mean |
| 23:49.25 | Qrawl | ??? |
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| 23:49.35 | Qrawl | theres 100 apps there |
| 23:49.52 | Qrawl | there isnt 1 version number |
| 23:50.19 | geierAL | nevermind |
| 23:50.59 | Qrawl | ok switching to 4 now |
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| 23:53.54 | Qrawl | I already notice changes. new icons in the menu |
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