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00:19.05waltercoolsomeone know how fix that?? i have a BIG fonts and the focus is given for the mouse :S
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00:21.23waltercoolsomeone?
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00:58.55w00tnationcan someone tell me where the k3b channel is (if it exists)?
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01:02.46w00tnationwell, I'll ask my simple question anyway... I noticed a 'sort weight' option in k3b, but when I change values the files are still sorted by name/size or whatever tab it is using... does this only take effect on burn?
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01:09.28derek_w00tnation: there is a way of simulating a burn. try it.
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01:26.36w00tnationyeah, but it doesn't appear to say what files its burning, and if its just a simulation what do I check to see what it actually did?
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01:33.08ZEUS^^after updating to  lates kde 3.5.8-7  some weird things happened to my ktray   at the end of right side some of empty space between tray icons  also some of my custom settings not working anymore   and in the kde start menu  some of upper most used lists icons disapeared   any  solution for this  ? I`m on fedora7_x86 64  with kmod nvidia  beryl
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02:09.23nitoshi, i ve got an issue with compiz-fusion instalation on sabayon 3.3
02:10.47arrrghhhso i'm trying to run xfce4-notes-plugin in kde... i went to 'add non-kde application' to the panel and put in where i thought the executable for that applet should be... is there something special i need to do to get this to run in kde?
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02:15.33Roeyhey thar
02:16.51Roeycan anyone help me debug an issue with my scrollwheel?  It's not responding (or rather, it gets interpreted as a side-scroll action, since I have a logitech mx1000).  For a fresh ~/.kde, the scrollwheel works fine.  For Fluxbox, the scrollwheel works fine, too.  What the heck is going on here?
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02:42.11flaccidi click on a window behind another window, it doesn't give focus, how can i fix?
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02:43.04arrrghhhflaccid: focus stealing prevention in the window behavior settings under system settings
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02:44.55Roeyarrrghhh:  how do I prevent an app (like, say, koqnueror) from stealing my desktop focus?
02:45.05Roeyit whisks me to its own desktop whenever I start it.
02:45.18arrrghhhuhm
02:45.28arrrghhhthat *might* be part of the focus stealing prevention settings...
02:45.40arrrghhhit only has settings from 'none' to 'extreme'
02:45.43Roeythat is, if I start up Konqueror and then move to a different desktop as it loads... it'll whisk me back to its desktop when its window appears
02:46.08arrrghhhoh i see what you're talking about... you can force it to goto a specific desktop
02:46.13arrrghhhalways
02:47.02Roeyarrrghhh:  well that yeah but I just don't want it to whisk me back and forth
02:47.04Roeyevery time
02:47.07arrrghhhbut whatever desktop you start the program on it'll want to goto that desktop (unless you have 'special window settings' configured)
02:47.11flaccidthanks arrrghhh
02:47.15arrrghhhnp
02:47.27Roeyarrrghhh:  well, let's see, which special window settings shoudl I set?
02:47.39RoeyI wnat it to load up /in the background/ :)
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02:47.49tomazhow can i find the config file for the taskbar?
02:47.51arrrghhhthat depends... is there one particular desktop you want konquorer to go to always?
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02:48.24arrrghhhtomaz: it's probably in /home/$USER/.kde/ somewhere...
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02:50.02tomazfound it. arrrghhh, can i ask you a favor? it seems that fedora has removed the combo box for `dont show windows from all desktops` , so i wanna put this on the config file by hand.
02:50.27arrrghhhtomaz: ah... i use ubuntu...
02:51.17tomazif it's not trouble, can you active this, and give me the line on the ~/.kde/share/config/ktaskbarrc
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02:51.32tomazthe config line is the same, in ubuntu or fedora.
02:51.46arrrghhhwhat's that
02:52.03tomazthat is the config file for the taskbar
02:52.57arrrghhhdo you know what file it is?  cuz i don't, i was just pointing you in the direction i figured it would be!
02:53.10lucasanyone got release date for kde4 rc1?
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02:53.53tomazit is ~/.kde/share/config/ktaskbarrc
02:53.58arrrghhhlucas: whatever release schedule they have online is probably any more than people would know here...
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02:54.31lucasarrrghhh: ok
02:54.39arrrghhhtomaz: pretty bare file... i have it open
02:54.49tomazShowAllWindow = true
02:54.51tomazarra
02:54.52tomaz=
02:54.54tomaz=D
02:55.27arrrghhhque?
02:55.57tomazthe option = ShowAllWindows=false
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02:58.47flaccidsweet that worked arrrghhh with compiz-fusion running
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03:02.59arrrghhhflaccid: yea it's a global o/s setting... np
03:04.29flaccidah thats cool
03:04.48flaccidit feels good to have control of your windows
03:06.00arrrghhhindeed
03:06.22arrrghhhi set it on extreme just to see... it was indeed, extreme.
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03:10.08Lazarushey I have a strange issue with kde
03:10.21Lazarusit wont load if i run dhclient
03:10.40Lazarusjust hangs at the spash screen and the harddrive just blinks
03:10.44Lazarusany ideas?
03:10.59arrrghhhhave you tried reinstalling dhclient?
03:11.03ZEUS^^After updating to  lates kde 3.5.8-7  some weird things happened to my ktray   at the end of right side some of empty space between tray icons  also some of my custom settings not working anymore   and in the kde start menu  some of upper most used lists icons disapeared   any  solution for this  ? I`m on fedora7_x86 64  with kmod nvidia  beryl
03:11.45Lazarusyeah
03:11.51Lazarusi don't think thats it though
03:11.58Lazarusi checked the hostfile
03:12.03Lazarusonly thing in there is localhost
03:12.25Lazarusdoes kde look for hostname or try to resolve it on load?
03:12.37arrrghhhif it's dhcp
03:12.40arrrghhhi think it'll resolve on load
03:12.50Lazarushmm yeah its dhcp
03:12.58Lazaruswonder why it hangs
03:13.05Lazarusill have to browse the forums some more
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03:14.50Lazarusshould resolv.conf have localhost listed in there?
03:14.50Lazarus?
03:16.39arrrghhhlaz
03:16.46arrrghhhLazarus: mine doesn't
03:16.54Lazarushmm
03:16.57Lazarusthis is just weird
03:17.09Lazarus...
03:17.21arrrghhhalthough mine does have some stuff written in it that must've been received by my isp
03:17.29arrrghhhand my router
03:17.37Lazarusyeah mine has that stuff too
03:17.38arrrghhhbut nothing referencing localhost
03:17.48derek_Lazarus: do you have any nameservers listed there?
03:17.51Lazarusits gotta be something really simple
03:17.55Lazarusyeah nameservers are listed there
03:18.15Lazarusand a search
03:19.44LazarusI don't have a swap file... thats about the only diff from most linux distros
03:20.00arrrghhhwhy don't you have a swap?  that shouldn't affect this but yea...
03:20.44Lazarusim running it off a usb stick
03:20.48derek_Lazarus: look at startkde in the kde bin folder. It is a script and you can see what it's doing
03:20.52Lazarusw/ encrypted partions
03:21.00Lazaruspartitions*
03:21.05Lazarusk
03:22.00arrrghhhoh i see
03:22.05Lazarusferaga.com
03:22.25Lazarusim doing a variation with LinuxFromScratch
03:22.40Lazarusso it could eaisly be something im fucking up
03:22.48Lazarusor forgot to do
03:23.08Lazarusbut it boots off the usb stick completely
03:23.19Lazarus8GB jump drive i baught from the source by circuit city
03:23.33derek_Lazarus: Is it possible to run a script in a debugger, ie. run startkde and see where it borks?
03:23.34Lazarusbut so far... its pretty sweet
03:23.43Lazarusshould be
03:24.03Lazarusthe other option is just to startkde and then run the dhclient]
03:24.10Lazarusinstead of at boot
03:24.32arrrghhhwhat is in the /etc/network/interfaces file?
03:24.41arrrghhhor is that different for fedora...
03:24.53derek_Lazarus: is lo getting set up or borked?
03:25.06Lazaruslol
03:25.09Lazarusthere is nothing i nthere
03:25.11Lazarusits blank
03:25.15Lazaruswhats in yours?
03:25.15arrrghhhyea
03:25.17arrrghhhyou at least need lo
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03:25.34Lazaruscan u paste it to me or give me yers in a pastebin
03:25.34Lazarus?
03:25.55Lazarusi might actually just turn this into a new distro
03:26.00Lazarusand throw it up on bsrf.org
03:26.03arrrghhhjust "auto lo <cr> iface lo inet loopback"
03:26.09arrrghhh<cr> = carriage return
03:26.27Lazarusis that with or without the quotes?
03:26.35arrrghhhw/o
03:26.51arrrghhhand don't actually put the "<cr>"
03:26.55Lazarusk
03:27.00Lazaruswhat is carriage return
03:27.16arrrghhhenter
03:27.18arrrghhhreturn
03:27.29Lazarusoh
03:27.33Lazarusso next line
03:27.55arrrghhhja
03:28.07Lazarushopefully this works
03:28.10arrrghhhi'm sure there's a better way to represent that... it's just what came to mind
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03:28.24Lazarusyeah
03:28.25arrrghhhyou can setup eth0 with "auto eth0 <cr> iface eth0 inet dhcp"
03:28.41Lazarushmm
03:28.49Lazarusk
03:28.52arrrghhhalthough you shouldn't need those lines
03:29.02arrrghhhi have them commented out
03:29.07Lazarusk
03:30.05Lazarusi just have to wait till flash finishes downloading
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04:16.24linux_stui was told kde's .0 releases aren't historically very good
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05:02.50AmyRoseShould I report this not working in Konquero to the webmaster or to the KDE bugzilla? http://spyed.deviantart.com/gallery/
05:03.16AmyRose*Konqueror
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05:14.41arrrghhhwhat does "allow programs in desktop window" mean?
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05:46.00arrrghhhwhat does "allow programs in desktop window" mean? and how can i utilize it?
05:48.59Jucatoarrrghhh: press Shift+F1 (or click on the ? icon in the window titlebar) and click on the option for a short description
05:51.15Vasisthaso ... thus far I have this: dcop kmail 'kmail-composer#1' action attach /path/to/my/file
05:51.29Vasistha...but I get "arguments do not match" ... any ideas of how to make this work?
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05:55.50arrrghhhJucato: but that doesn't tell you how to use it...
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05:56.58Jucatoarrrghhh: see the Advanced Options button there? click on it and you will be able to set a program to use for the background. that's as far as I know about it
05:57.34Jucatoarrrghhh: you can see the Help page about those options (click on the Help button)
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07:01.24ultrav1oletHow can I use kwallet to impersonate as a root user in a system? It looks like konsole has now idea how to use it.
07:02.17Vasisthaultrav1olet: I don't understand your question ... what are you trying to do?
07:03.51ultrav1oletI have a kwallet. I do no want to enter my root password ever in konsole when I want to `su -`. I'd like konsole to use kwallet.
07:04.04ultrav1oletThat's it.
07:05.08Vasisthaohhhh
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07:05.20ultrav1oletI don't even care if it is konsole or any other application, I just want to have a root terminal without entering root password.
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07:05.48Vasisthaultrav1olet: I have no idea if that is possible with kwallet; however, have you considered using 'sudo' ?
07:06.53ultrav1oletIt's a nice idea, but sudo doesn't depend on kwallet. Thus if I leave my session unlocked then any person can use sudo and compromise my system
07:07.21VasisthaI believe you have to type your user password when you use sudo
07:08.13ultrav1oletVasistha: at my home I have set sudo the way it doesn't require a password - yeah, it's a nice idea. thank you!
07:08.37Vasisthaultrav1olet: ahha! so you just need to set it the other way :D
07:08.41ultrav1oletHere, at my work I will make sudo ask for a user password ;-)
07:08.50ultrav1oletthank you
07:09.18Vasisthanp
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07:09.46ultrav1oletVasistha: the last question - how can I disable root password alltogether?
07:10.24Vasisthaultrav1olet: I don't know if it's technically possible; however I'm pretty sure that what ubuntu does is to set it to a long random string :)
07:12.06ultrav1oletVasistha: OK ;-)
07:14.08ultrav1olet"ultrav1olet          ALL=(ALL)       ALL" doesn't even try to ask my user password :-(
07:14.09Vasisthaultrav1olet: I suppose if you want to have some real fun, you could probably manually edit the /etc/shadow file and put some random junk in root's password ... I have no idea if that would be a good idea or not!
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07:14.53ultrav1oletVasistha: passwd -d root - is all you need
07:15.50ultrav1oletAny ideas how to make sudo ask for my user password?
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07:16.23ultrav1oletok PASSWD: will be enough
07:16.57ultrav1oletnot enough :-(
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07:20.09Vasisthaultrav1olet: man sudoers
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07:22.20ultrav1oletVasistha: OK. "ALL=PASSWD: ALL" and `passwd -l root` have done everything I needed
07:23.05Vasisthaultrav1olet: cool :)  I've never used sudo, myself, glad it's working for you
07:24.14ultrav1oletI am a security paranoid. Don't pay too much attention ;-)
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07:56.45ultrav1olethttps://launchpad.net/kdesudo might be aslo useful ;-)
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09:02.50christian_hi
09:03.11christian_can anybody tell me, in what languages most kde apps  are written?
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09:03.27christian_and if they are written with qt?
09:03.32Jejemchristian_: C++/Qt
09:03.45christian_thank you very much
09:03.53annmaC++
09:04.00annmaQt is C++ but there are kdebindings to other languages
09:04.08christian_i want to write one for me, and so I want to use the most used one
09:04.36annmaC++
09:04.46christian_i know there are also bindings for java and so on, but I think most use C++
09:08.14christian_thank you very much, good bye have a nice day!
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09:15.56annmalol
09:16.06annmawow, the sommersault!
09:16.17Jucatoyep... :)
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09:26.52vbgunzI am thinking of seriously giving Debian Etch a try. Does anyone know of a walkthrough on how to compile or get the latest KDE on there?
09:27.09JohnFluxvbgunz: google?
09:27.09annmathe usual, techbase
09:27.22annmatechbase for compiling kde4
09:27.35annmadevian channels for installing from packages
09:28.14annmadevian/debian
09:28.21vbgunzJohnFlux: I got no problem googling. Just would hate taking on something I seriously consider a big challenge with a half ass walkthrough or something even worse... outright bad :( I would like something authoritve on it if any suggestions :)
09:28.21annmaweird typo
09:28.31JohnFluxvbgunz: true :)
09:28.41JohnFluxvbgunz: you are talking about kde4 right?
09:28.51annmahttp://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
09:28.59JohnFluxvbgunz: do you want to develop for it?  I wouldn't try using it as just a user at this stage
09:29.15JohnFluxannma: there's probably kde4 beta packages
09:29.18vbgunzno, sorry, I meant 3.5.8
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09:29.31JohnFluxvbgunz: ah
09:29.34vbgunzannma, my apologies. i should have been clearer about that
09:29.38annmavbgunz: unless you 're a devel you don't compile
09:29.42vbgunzI'll check the tecthase :)
09:29.58JohnFluxvbgunz: hmm no
09:29.59annmatechbase is for KDE 4
09:30.04annmaand for devels
09:30.21vbgunzannma: I am not sure how Debian works exactly. I know the stable version does not ship with 3.5.8. I believe it ships with 3.5.5
09:30.28vbgunzoh
09:30.35annmavbgunz: ask in #debian-kde
09:30.39JohnFluxvbgunz: ask in #debian for 3.5.8 packages.  a quick google shows a few packages
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09:30.46annmawe don't support each and every distro here
09:30.49JohnFluxdo what annma said
09:30.51JohnFlux:)
09:30.54annma:)
09:30.59JohnFluxannma: debian is not a 'each and every' distro!
09:31.02JohnFluxheretic!
09:31.05annmalol
09:31.25vbgunzheh
09:32.26Beer-n-Nutzhello, everybody. I just installed sabayon, should i update something?
09:32.53annma#sabayon
09:33.02annmaBeer-n-Nutz: ^^
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10:07.19digitIs the basic KDE theme a bunch of gif/jpegs/pngs/or any type of other graphic file somehwere located in the source?
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10:08.24Jucatodigit: depends on what kind of KDE theme you are talking about. if it's the (widget) Styles and Window Decorations, they are in code, not pixmaps
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10:19.42digitJucato: Is there a documentation on how they
10:19.44digit're drawn?
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10:21.16Jucatohttp://www.usermode.org/docs/kwintheme.html this is the only doc I know of, about making kwin decorations...
10:21.33Jucatoother than that, probably the QStyle/KStyle code...
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10:25.41digitJucato: Would QStyle/KStyle be .c files?
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10:26.12JucatoQt/KDE API.. you'll probably get more accurate answers in #kde-devel
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10:27.26lokpestso... how do I get Konqueror to start in maximized window?
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10:27.41GNU\colossusyou need to have your kfmclient profile remember its window size
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10:29.01Jucatoreally?
10:29.10lokpestGNU\colossus: so its a setting in the kfmclient, not in konqueror?
10:29.30GNU\colossuslokpest: available via the konqueror interface, though
10:29.37Jucatolokpest: right-click on Konqueror's window titlebar -> Advanced -> Special Window Settings
10:29.43digitJucato: Thanks.
10:29.49GNU\colossusSettings -> Save View Profile "$PROFILENAME"
10:29.51GNU\colossusit's in there
10:30.42MZMJucato: well - http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started has JavaScript errors in Konqueror 3.5.8 :P
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10:31.42Jucatoand by that logic, I could also therefore conclude that KDE Developers don't use KDE, since there are also errors (a.k.a. bugs) in KDE
10:32.12Jucatowhat js errors btw? (not that I'll be able to check them, still being in 3.5.7)
10:33.20MZMJucato: checking own web pages with own browser IMHO is not hard and last thing to do :P
10:33.25MZMJucato: http://techbase.kde.org/skins/common/wikibits.js?1: ReferenceError: Can't find variable: wgBreakFrames
10:33.33lokpestGNU\colossus: thanks! :)
10:33.38GNU\colossusyw
10:34.23JucatoI'm on 3.5.7, and I see no error
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10:36.20JucatoMZM: nothing in both 3.5.7 and 3.5.8
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10:42.44MZMJucato: but should :P
10:42.54Jucatoexcuse me?
10:44.45MZMJucato: http://techbase.kde.org/skins/common/wikibits.js line 51 is bad practice in JavaScript. It should read: if (typeof x!="undefined") {
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10:45.49Jucatoso there isn't really any visible error? or any error? just "bad practice"?
10:48.15JucatoMZM: well, it seems that skins/common/ is a directory that is "common" to all MediaWiki installations. that particular file isn't a product of KDE work at all
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10:50.21MZMJucato: who cares about source of error (only IF You are going to fix it in MediaWiki)? "Bad practice" manifests it self in Konqueror as JavaScript error.
10:51.54JucatoMZM: where else would they fix that if not in MediaWiki
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10:53.12MZMJucato: in techbase.kde.org MediaWiki installation?
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10:53.47inthello! can anyone suggest a way to debug kde automount? ie then i insert usb flash nothing happends. but i can see events in lshal and dbus-monitor
10:54.26JucatoMZM: tell the guys in #kde-www then. or a file a bug with MediaWiki
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10:56.11MZMJucato: OK.
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11:05.54fredtroy: ping? Could you put me in contact with someone willing to have someone in a sleeping bag a night before and after the release event please? :)
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11:09.33MZMfred: " willing to have someone in a sleeping bag "? Diah.
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11:10.20fredDiah?
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11:19.11digitftp://download.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.5.7/src - Which one is the actual source for the desktop environment?
11:19.37Grumpy007hello :) i guess the first RC of KDE 4 is released on the 14.Nov. Bute i cant find her. wehre is she lost? xD
11:20.32fredGrumpy007: Huh, where'd you get that from?
11:20.42freddigit: all of the .tar.bz2 files
11:20.53fredyou need arts, kdelibs, kdebase
11:21.01fredeverything else is still part of KDE, but optional parts
11:21.29manu_hackis it possible to have the meta8 option in konsole?
11:21.55Grumpy007Wahhh sorry xD i have read something wrong ^^ its should release tomoro xD
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11:23.06vbgunzhow can i string a couple different commands in a service menu Exec directive?
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11:39.18vbgunzI am trying to open konqueror on a certain directory. saying konqueror /directory opens a new konqueror instance everytime. how can I instead say, if there is a konqueror, please use that one instead?
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11:41.46ann_outsettings -> configure konqueror
11:41.54ann_outbehavior
11:42.07ann_outuncheck Open folders in separate windows
11:42.42ubunturosann_out: that would still happen when typed using Alt+F2
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11:43.15annmapardon?
11:43.32ubunturosann_out -- annma?
11:43.38annmayes
11:44.00annmahe did not ask about alt-f2
11:44.08annmavbgunz: does it work?
11:44.18ubunturosannma: alt+f2 -> type konqueror /etc/ -- konqueror opens /etc
11:44.28vbgunzannma: if I open 10 folders on my desktop 1 by 1, they all open in the same konqueror... thats what I am trying to get.
11:44.42ubunturosannma: alt+f2 -> type konqueror /home/foo -- konqueror opens one more "window" with /home/foo
11:44.57vbgunzif I open 10 folders from the command line, they open 10 instances of konqueror
11:45.15ubunturosvbgunz: so, the solution is that open konqueror once, and then type /home/foo /home/bar directly in the run dialog, to open just one instance of konqueror
11:46.01vbgunzubunturos: I am messing around with a service menu that mounts an iso then opens the directory... it works but always opens a new instance of konqueror
11:46.04ubunturosvbgunz: which means, you can type konqueror /home/foo and then just type /home/bar /home/foobar
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11:46.21ubunturosvbgunz: hmm, :-?
11:46.29vbgunzone moment
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11:46.54annmayou guys are pretty confusing
11:47.13annmaI leave you to it
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11:47.18ubunturosannma: :)
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11:47.50ubunturosvbgunz: what do you use or do to mount the iso?
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11:49.24vbgunzone moment, sorry
11:49.44vbgunzExec=kdesu -c 'sudo umount /media/iso; sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop %f /media/iso; konqueror /media/iso'
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11:51.06vbgunzthere is a shell app I am looking for. I used it briefly and forgot it's name. it sort of does things differently. I am not sure but thought it was kcmshell or something like that
11:51.36vbgunzI checked the man page on kcmshell and don't believe thats it... it was another way to do things if I am not mistaken, now I can't remember it though :(
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11:52.07ubunturos:-?
11:53.34vbgunzmight be kfmclient, not sure
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11:55.10vbgunzgot it
11:55.16vbgunzkfmclient exec /media/iso
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11:57.31ubunturosvbgunz: yes, found it now, :)
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11:57.51vbgunzcool :)
11:58.25ubunturosvbgunz: thanks to you too
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11:59.09vbgunz:)
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12:01.06sirinahi there! i've installed the kde beta on my pc and it was working fine. while testing there was some crashes and i had to contiue my work with kde 3 cos i was writing something. hm.. now when i try to login with the kde4 user, there is nothing happens. it's falling back to my primary user acc.
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12:01.33sirinais here someone who can give me an advice where i should look to fix it?
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12:02.11sirinamb in deleting something in /tmp or configuration data?
12:04.29boom1992sirina: rm -rf .kde4
12:04.31boom1992^^
12:05.33acelerremove ~/.kde4
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12:06.38sirinahm ok. so when i login again it would create a new ~/.kde4 directory?
12:06.45acelerYes
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12:06.55sirinaok thx. i'll try it :-)
12:07.08acelerIf you afraid of your data - backup it :)
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12:07.41sirinano.. i have a separate user for testing
12:07.57sirinathere is no important data :-)
12:09.01acelerI mean data inside ~/.kde4
12:11.47sirinano, i didn't configure anything by my own
12:12.03vbgunzhow do you hide a long command in the kdesu dialog?
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12:12.23vbgunzI tried -d ... I must be putting it in the wrong place :/
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12:12.38sirinaups.. the windowbars are hidden now.. o.O
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12:13.39vbgunzsirina: you have no window manager? no window title or window border?
12:13.50sirinaright. vbgunz
12:14.03vbgunzkwin is dead, look into kwin
12:14.48sirinathx, but how could i "look into kwin"?
12:15.39Sho_run 'kwin --replace'
12:15.52vbgunzmorning Sho_,
12:16.03JucatoSho_!!!!! *chokes* !!!!!
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12:16.09Sho_moin vbgunz, Jucato :)
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12:16.58ubunturoshey Jucato
12:17.03vbgunzJucato: breath dude, breath, love is a battlefield :)
12:17.11Jucato:)
12:17.14Jucatoey ubunturos
12:17.32sirinaoooooh.. i've logged in via ssh to the another user and ran the command... no MY window-titles and borders are hidden :-/
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12:18.26vbgunzsirina: you can try Alt+F3 on a focused window... check the advanced window|application settings... maybe you can enable them there
12:18.55Jucatohe's on kde4 I think...
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12:42.48sirinauhm. fluctuation.
12:42.48sirinais there s.o. who can give me an example for a dbus call?
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12:46.31SSJ_GZsirina: It's probably mainly devs who are using dbus at the mo.  Try asking in #kde4-devel
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12:47.09MaartenBhello everyone
12:47.30sirinathx SSJ_GZ
12:47.44SSJ_GZsirina: np - good luck!
12:48.08sirinathx :-))
12:48.14MaartenBI have a strange '%1' text in KMail when using fancy headers after upgrading to the latest FC7 RPM, any suggestions how to solve this?
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12:50.49sirinaSSJ_GZ: [13:50]  I'm sure google can give you examples
12:50.55sirina-.-'
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12:51.17SSJ_GZsirina: Google it is, then :)
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12:52.25sirinai think dbus is more extensive than dcop was.
12:53.47MZMMaartenB: language?
12:53.51SSJ_GZsirina: Possibly.  I've seen examples of calls using qtdbus, but now I can't find them!
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12:54.26SSJ_GZsirina: Ah, that's why - it's qdbus, not qtdbus!
12:54.40MaartenBMZM, what do you mean?
12:55.01MZMMaartenB: localised KMail version or English one?
12:55.03SSJ_GZsirina: There's an example here: http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/interfaces/kspeech/html/index.html
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12:55.06zLinuxhi
12:55.12SSJ_GZsirina: Search the page for qdbus
12:55.32MaartenBMZM, the English one, FC7 RPM
12:55.32zLinuxhow come KIconEdit don't have Save As .ICO files?
12:55.38sirinaisn't qdbus only the tool for managing calls?
12:55.45zLinuxI need to create a favicon for my site :/
12:56.02MZMMaartenB: help->about KMail->version?
12:56.13zLinuxplease tell me how to save my edited icon in KIconEdit in favicon.ico format please???
12:56.15SSJ_GZsirina: It's used for making them.  What exactly are you looking for?
12:56.25MaartenBMZM, 1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20071012.724442)
12:56.45MZMzLinux: any image format will work for favicon in most browsers
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12:57.53MZMMaartenB: OK. Now You have all info - report as bug, as it's a bug in code.
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12:58.44sirinaah no its ok. i'll have a look on it! thx SSJ_GZ :-)
12:58.46MaartenBMZM, I searched bugs.kde.org, but couldn't find anything about it, which is strange because it is quite obvious that it is wrong
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12:58.59SSJ_GZsirina: Cool; np :)
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13:00.59zLinuxMZM, file name: favicon.ico ?
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13:01.26MZMzLinux: yap.
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13:02.23zLinuxMZM, is it needed to be put in each directory or just the main directory of the website?
13:02.29MZMMaartenB: I don't know. It may be some Fedora specific patch result. Try to report as Fedora bug first.
13:02.44MaartenBMZM, ok, thanks, I do that
13:03.04MZMzLinux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favicon
13:03.21sirinaqdbus org.kde.kttsd "/KSpeech" say <text> <options> <-- this is clearly another structure then a dcop command would have. i tried to get a little closer with dbus thru reading - its bewildering ^^ SSJ_GZ
13:03.25zLinuxMZM, oh nice link, thanks
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13:03.45MZMzLinux: np
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14:06.20Jucatopadde: that'll teach me not to ask newbie stuff in there :(
14:06.56paddei think most of the guys are also in here ;)
14:07.39Jucatoyeah, but I didn't want to interrupt them...
14:10.37paddeto be honest, i haven't got any really useful info in there... mainly RTFM, although it was quite clear that this information couldn't be RTFM'ed, because it were mainly design questions... so i'll just learn everything by myself and be a better help there in the future ;)
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14:11.32JucatoI'll just go back there when I need too... thought I could glean some useful info... definitely not for my level yet...
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14:11.37Jucatooh well, back to real KDE life...
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14:13.25paddeJucato: as i said... I tried Kdevelop and Eclipse... both work fine, but Eclipse is just too bloated (and too GTK) for my taste. and it always does things i didn't ask it to... so i went back to Kdevelop
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14:14.09Jucatoheh I'll probably end up using KDevelop too. just not for my starting/simple C++ needs, which needs nothing more than the awesome power of Kate :)
14:14.54paddeJucato: well, KDevelop is built around kate ;)
14:15.03JucatoI just have 2 uncertainties about KDevelop though... why I can't use it for simple C++ programming w/o having to create projects and whether it supports Qt 4 already...
14:15.25Jucatopadde: yeah, but right now, all I need is Kate's super editor (katepart) and the embedded konsole :)
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14:15.39annmaJucato: you can use it for simple C++
14:15.44Jucato(and discovering the Symbol viewer and make output plugins adds to that sweetness)
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14:15.52paddeJucato: and it handles the qmake calls for you, which is nice. and the most important thing for me is the code completion (list of methods/members that pops up while writing)... i just need it, because i have such a bad memory
14:15.52annmaa project is some files + a Makefile
14:15.53Jucatoannma: w/o having to create a Project for it?
14:16.05annmayou can import your own files
14:16.13Jucatoannma: yeah.. I mean simple C++ that doesn't require Make :)
14:16.29annmathat's really simple then
14:16.36annmathen it does nto require an IDE
14:16.43Jucatoyep. that's why I said Kate :)
14:16.46paddeJucato: that's hello world then ;)
14:17.13annmaKDevelop supports Qt4, courtesy of your humble servant Jucato
14:17.15Jucatopadde:  not really. 3 files minimum. main.cpp, a header file and the implementation file :)
14:17.59paddeJucato: i can do hello world with only one file :P ;)
14:18.03Jucatolol!!
14:18.18Jucatoof course I had to make a Hello class first
14:18.21Jucatonot! :P
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14:19.46Jucatowell, I think I'll stick to Kate mini-IDE until my "projects" really need a project :)
14:20.43Jucato(and stay out of #qt in the meantime...)
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14:42.06Gentlewhere does the kde menu reside? As in, where are those .desktop files on my disk?
14:43.44Jucatonot 100% sure, but $KDEDIR/share/applications/kde and ~/.
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14:46.00spawn57hey jucato, have you ever printed on 4x6 (4R) paper in linux/digikam?
14:46.23Jucatonope
14:46.50spawn57d'oh
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15:43.11MirrakorI've a Ktorrent question
15:44.26Mirrakorremote station/receiver: I see a few IPs which have a blank sheet symbole in front them
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15:44.59MirrakorI think I remember there was a lock shown before.. could that be?
15:45.06Mirrakorand if yes - why is there no lock anymore? :)
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16:09.42zipito_can someone help me solve problem with keyboard-layout
16:10.25zipito_I want to switch between ENG - RU - UA keyboard layouts. but when I set the keyboard switching combination it doesn't work!
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16:11.19annmabecause you use CTRL ALT K
16:11.30annmaand K is RU is not K anymore
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16:19.10downshi
16:19.21downskde stores some info on the current session on logout
16:19.29downsis there some way to trigger this manually?
16:19.35downslike, for example, on every suspend? :)
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16:20.42dwinslowdowns: "dcop ksmserver ksmserver saveCurrentSession" should do it
16:20.50downswoo! thanks a lot
16:20.53downs:D
16:21.36Jucatohm?
16:21.45Jucatoyou want to save a session manually?
16:22.00downsooh yes.
16:22.23downs<PROTECTED>
16:22.28Jucatothere's an option in KControl -> KDE Components -> Session Manager
16:22.41Jucatobut if you want to put it in a script, dcop is the best way
16:22.42downsdoes anybody know as which user suspend2's OnSuspend setting is run?
16:22.51downswouldn't do any good if it ran as root ._.
16:23.18dwinslowdowns: i think there are flags you can pass to dcop to tell it which session to connect to
16:23.31downsyeah, but cron is easier :p
16:23.57downs<PROTECTED>
16:24.04downsor at least as != the current user
16:24.10dwinslowi think dcop will need to be running in your KDE environment for  you to not specify the user
16:24.24downsdcopserver is up
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16:24.48dwinslowthat's not what i meant
16:24.56downshum?
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16:25.35downsokay
16:25.42downsI'll put it in a kde autostart script.
16:25.44dwinslowbut i don't use it for stuff like this so I might be completely wrong
16:26.50downskay, seems to work now :D thanks a lot
16:26.58downslaters ~
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16:34.19Araenhello
16:34.43Araeni've a bug who is repertoried on bugs.kde.org but i don't know how resolve that =D
16:35.04Araenhttp://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81525
16:35.07Mirrakoruhm, there's a burning monitor used in a lot of screensaver, can I change it somehow?
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16:46.03studentнарод, кто на ati катаецо ?
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16:46.16Araenenglish please =D
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16:46.49Jucato!ru | student
16:46.53Jucatobah wrong channel!
16:46.54Jucatobwahahah
16:46.56Armandlol
16:47.03Cipher_im really impressed with the kde3 team, in my sister notebook compiz never run, the machine has an integrated video card
16:47.45Cipher_but try with the transparenc effects of kde35.8 and run without problems
16:47.48Jucatooooh... splashing grey matter! I like! :)
16:47.59Armand^_^
16:48.53Cipher_so, thnks to everyone, and im sure that kde4 also run in her machine, not like compiz xDD
16:48.57Araeni'm on fedora, i had do "yum remove arts" but when i had do after "yum install arts" bah it's catastrophic !
16:49.11Cipher_with the effects enabled ofcourse
16:49.13Araenmy software are not running =/
16:49.51dwinslowAraen: why did you remove arts?
16:50.06Jucato(or in dwinslow's direction)
16:50.08Araenbecause i've a problem at beginning
16:50.28Araenso i thought re-install it after, but it's not what i thought
16:50.38Araenwould*
16:51.04AraenJucato: i'm on #fedora
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16:59.06mwoehlkeargh!! anyone know why my clock in kicker (KDE3) is suddenly displaying "Chicago" (i.e. my timezone) instead of the date?!
16:59.39apokryphosmwoehlke: maybe you pressed scroll on the clock?
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17:00.35aceler?
17:00.37mwoehlkeincidentally, yes I am in the 'wheel should not work on taskbar' camp :P
17:00.56mwoehlkeaceler: do you have multiple timezones configured? (scroll = mousewheel)
17:00.56apokryphosaceler: sorry, just scroll, not middle button press
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17:01.29acelermwoehlke: oh. No :)
17:02.01mwoehlkeI only hate it on the taskbar, because I never use it intentionally, and it is too easy to do unintentionally (and the effects of doing it accidentally are much more disruptive on the taskbar)
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17:02.23acelerBut if so, it is not a good usability - if users don't understand what they just did...
17:02.55mwoehlkeheh, yeah... clearly, I didn't even know I'd done it :-) just 'wtf happened to my date' :-)
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17:06.03mwoehlkeanyway, thanks folks (apokryphos especially) , back to coding :-)
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17:06.30Jucatoapokryphos: how does the new hat feel? :)
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17:14.50apokryphosJucato: ok, I'm mainly glad that we can really get things done now :)
17:14.50JucatoGTD? :D
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17:15.17JucatoI wish *I* could get things done now ::P
17:15.21apokryphosJucato: hm?
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17:15.47Jucatohehe you're not familiar with the whole GTD (Get Things Done) cult? :)
17:16.02apokryphosah, nope; sounds good though 8)
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17:16.12Jucato(It's like the "7 Habits" for the 21st century)
17:16.59apokryphosheh
17:17.21apokryphosJucato: how's your kde hacking? :)
17:17.46Jucatoah.. that... hm... hahaha!
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17:18.14Jucatoand I need to go on a distro/Kubuntu diet to re-focus on that
17:19.21apokryphosJucato: how are things going there?
17:19.38Jucatokubuntu?
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17:19.49apokryphosyup
17:20.10Jucatobasically, everything's the usual. work's great for some, sucks for others :)
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17:20.24Jucatowe're a bit shorthanded lately though... need fresh new blood
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17:21.02Jucato(imho) gutsy's a bit rough around the edges... hopefully the next release (an LTS) will be better
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17:22.34apokryphosJucato: lure over more ubuntugnome guys ;)
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17:23.54Jucatoapokryphos: if only we could :)
17:24.04Jucatobut Ubuntu's indirectly part of our problems :P
17:25.59apokryphosJucato: the more time goes on, the harder it's gonna be to change things, probably
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17:28.11apokryphosJucato: the big guys need to bite the bullet and do it (i.e. in your blog post I disagree that going on with things is an appropriate solution)
17:28.13Jucatoapokryphos: true. congrats on the Guiding Principles too. wished Kubuntu (or even Ubuntu) had something like it. the closest is the CoC, which isn't really the same...
17:28.28Jucatooooh you read it? :D
17:29.14Jucatoapokryphos: unfortunately, I'm just one voice... but someone has raised a similar topic to be discussed in the next meeting... whenever that is ;)
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17:29.39apokryphosCoC concentrates more on behaviour, which is also needed. Ubuntu's goals aren't unclear though, so I don't think there's any problem with no guiding principles ;)
17:29.47Jucatoapokryphos: and if you'll read my post today, you'll find out why I took a bit of a defeatist attitude in that regard :P
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17:31.30Jucatoapokryphos: btw, http://net3rror.com/index.php?q=node/2 (skip to the 2nd paragraph)
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17:32.37apokryphosJucato: would you like to come and work for us? ;-)
17:32.42Jucatolol
17:33.06Jucatoapokryphos: http://jedrm.wordpress.com/2007/11/18/recently/#comment-5072 from the same person, again, 2nd paragraph :P
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17:33.55apokryphoshttp://news.opensuse.org/?p=397 is still open ;)
17:34.13Jucatolol
17:34.37apokryphosTravel: 50%, including international
17:34.49Jucatonah... I really need to cut down on distro-level stuff for a while...
17:35.01apokryphostravel the world and talk about open source? Such a cool job 8)
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17:35.16apokryphosJucato: yeah, I know what you mean
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17:35.59Jucatoa distro-specific job like that would be great, if that were my goal... but my eyes have been set on KDE in the klouds since day 1
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18:22.13penguinbaitIs there a way to start konsole with root session from command line?
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18:22.48Sho_penguinbait: konsole --type su
18:23.36sztikszhello
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18:25.00penguinbaitthank you Sho_
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18:29.19indrohi all
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18:29.55indroanyone know how kcontrol sets the keyboard setting for reapeating key stroke?
18:29.55PhilRodhi indro
18:30.00indrois there a commandline tool for that?
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18:33.28starryskyhow do you save your desktop state (want to make sure my panel definitions don't get erased after log out of session)
18:33.30Jucatoindro: command line tool = edit the ~/.kde/share/config/kcminputrc file manually?
18:34.03Jucatostarrysky: by default, KDE saves the session automatically when you logout and restores it when you log back in
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18:34.28starryskyjucato thanks!
18:34.53starryskyjucato: and is there a way do make the definitions i am using and set them for all the users (globally)
18:35.03Jucatothat I don't know
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18:35.21indroJucato: im currently not using kde, but if I change keyboard setting in kcontrol I get repeating key stroke.
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18:40.11sztiksz3~
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18:40.55sztikszim look for a kdebased mobile manager, sending receiving sms mostly
18:41.10sztikszany recommendations ?
18:41.11sztiksz.
18:41.32Jucatokmobiletools (but never personally used it)
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18:49.37starryskyanyone knows how to add apllications to system tray? As it seems kde already knows that some apps should be put into system tray. For example xchat was automatically set as tray app. How do i difine other such as audacious?
18:49.39mmarcoi am being unable to compile kdebase4.
18:50.19PhilRodstarrysky: ksystraycmd. See the user guide at docs.kde.org
18:50.27stdinmmarco: it's best to ask kde4 questions in #kde4-devel
18:50.29PhilRodmmarco: probably best to ask in #kde4-devel
18:50.34mmarcomore precisely, when trying to compile the colck plasmoid
18:50.37mmarcook, thanks
18:52.34starryskyphilrod: tks.
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18:56.47sztikszJucato: thx !! ;)
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19:24.47AmyRoseShould I report this not working in Konqueror to the webmaster or to the KDE bugzilla? http://spyed.deviantart.com/gallery/
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19:27.12ergrootAmyRose: which version of konqueror are you using?
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19:27.41AmyRoseergroot: 3.5.8
19:27.53AmyRosebe right back though--gotta log out and back in
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19:44.57neddywhy does kde think my monitor is 1024x768 when it's really 1600x1200?
19:45.08neddyhow do I fix that?
19:45.35dwinslowneddy: that's probably an Xorg problem rather than a KDE problem
19:45.44dwinslowyou should ask in your distribution's channel
19:47.19neddyno it isn't
19:47.28neddyxorg set my monitor to 1600x1200 just fine
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19:47.40neddyI can manually resize my apps to use the whole window
19:47.49neddybut kcontrol reports a maximum of 1024x768
19:48.24neddyWhen I use F11 or Maximize, my windows get shrunk down to 1024x768
19:48.30AmyRoseOK, anybody know where I should report this page not working in Konqueror 3.5.8? http://spyed.deviantart.com/gallery
19:48.52AmyRoseI can't decide whether to report it in the KDE bugzilla or to the site
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19:53.12neddyAmyRose: I'd guess KDE
19:53.32AmyRoseneddy: OK.
19:53.40AmyRoseI was thinking too, but wasn't sure
19:53.53ergrootdoes konq crash?
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19:54.05AmyRoseergroot: No
19:54.08ergrootor render the site completely wrong?
19:54.12AmyRoseergroot: It's blank.
19:54.31ergroothmm, that probably falls in the second catagory.. ;-)
19:54.37AmyRoseYeah.
19:54.46ergrooti think you should raise a bug
19:54.59AmyRoseOK
19:55.02AmyRoseIt works fine in Firefox
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20:04.39ergrootAmyRose: I tried as well and Firefox indeed works fine
20:05.07ergrootif kdebase compiles I'll give the site a try with konq from KDE4
20:05.30AmyRoseergroot: OK, thank you
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20:16.16AmyRoseergroot: Just confirmed that it works in Opera
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20:16.52ergrootok, still waiting for kdebase4 to finish compiling...
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20:19.24AmyRoseergroot: I can try it in Safari in Wine
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20:19.55ergrootwell, if Firefox and Opera work fine
20:20.07ergrootyou have enough proof that it is a konq problem
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20:24.45apokryphostoo dark, strong, noisy
20:24.50dsafdaguys I'm using Konversation, I'd like to know if is there a way to have the "copy" function like Mirc and xchat, where you can select a text and that's automatically in the clipboard... thanks
20:24.54ergrootAmyRose: I works fine in Konqueror from KDE4
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20:25.26ergrootalthough I had to change my browser identification...
20:25.29AmyRoseOh
20:25.32AmyRoseI'll try it then
20:25.46Sho_dsafda: That's actually a feature of every KDE / modern Linux desktop application
20:25.47dwinslowdsafda: in X11, you can paste the last thing selected by middle-clicking
20:25.49vbgunzAmyRose: you should probably shoot off an email to the site about making valid pages and unobtrusive JavaScript before going to konq with this
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20:25.58Sho_dsafda: Select some text, and paste it at the destination using the middle mouse button
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20:26.27AmyRosedsafda: You can also have Klipper synchronize the clipboard and selection in the settings dialog
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20:26.37Sho_dsafda: Linux desktop uses two clipboard buffers, one filled/pasted using the keyboard shortcuts and GUI actions, and one filled/pasted using the mouse. You can use KDE's clipboard utility Klipper to keep them synchronized if you want, to use only one.
20:26.46Sho_dsafda: But with time, you might appreciate having them seperate
20:27.12AmyRoseSho_: I actually have started to appreciate having them separate, even though I used to always use the synchronization setting
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20:28.01Ace2016Hi all
20:28.42igordsafda: Oh, I thought that separation of buffers was some kind of bug :)
20:29.36Sho_Actually, there's even *three* clipboard buffers by default in X, but modern toolkits only use those two ;)
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20:30.02dsafdaooo great I found the clipboard on the mouse!! :) thanks
20:30.09Sho_And Qt and GTK have agreed on how to use them (there's a codification of that behavior in a freedesktop.org document)
20:30.19dsafdaI click on the wheel and I got it
20:30.42AmyRoseWho on Earth needs to copy 2,048 things?!
20:31.11igordsafda: now you have discovered most important thing in the world :) he-he
20:31.49vbgunzman, I would like to see what vlc with Qt is going to look like
20:32.12Sho_vbgunz: I saw some screenies in their forums
20:32.36vbgunzSho_: really? I search here and there on Google and never find them :(
20:32.44vbgunzI'll check it out, I hope it looks good
20:33.41Sho_vbgunz: Looked fairly close to their old wxWidgets UI in terms of layout, just Qt-ish widget style wise
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20:34.15vbgunzI like vlc. I hope it rocks :)
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20:34.56AmyRoseSho_: what's the third clipboard buffer?
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20:36.25Sho_AmyRose: It's called SECONDARY (the GUI actions operate on CLIPBOARD, and the mouse on PRIMARY)
20:36.42Sho_AmyRose: But modern toolkits don't use SECONDARY for anything
20:36.44AmyRoseAh!
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20:37.06AmyRoseSho_: I'm guessing CLIPBOARD is the only one capable of storing anything but text, am I correct?
20:37.14Sho_Even older is an ICCCM system called "cut buffers", which is also totally outmoded :)
20:37.48AmyRoseI mean other than
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20:38.27igor<Sho_>: when you said about freedesktop.org document you have meant this one http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/ClipboardsWiki?action=show&redirect=Standards%2FClipboardsWiki ?
20:38.29Sho_AmyRose: The three are the same technically aiui, but toolkits tend to use Primary only for text selection
20:38.44AmyRoseah
20:38.50Sho_igor: yes
20:39.02Sho_AmyRose: the link igor posted will explain it
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20:39.25MinceR(vlc for video, audacious for audio :> )
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20:39.41Sho_KPlayer for video, Amarok for audio, here
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20:41.14vbgunzSho_: I thought kplayer was discontinued or something?
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20:42.26vbgunzis it called kmplayer in the Kubuntu repos?
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20:42.37AmyRosevbgunz: No, kmplayer is something esle
20:42.38thiago_homekplayer and kmplayer are not the sameapp
20:42.38AmyRoseelse*
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20:43.19vbgunzI have mplayer. I hate the interface. I just used mencoder on a vob and it only plays in mplayer, not in kaffeine :P
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20:43.41dwinslowvbgunz: kplayer is a pretty nice interface for mplayer
20:43.56dwinslowit doesn't have a lot of bling, but it lets you get at many of mplayer's features
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20:44.12Sho_vbgunz: no. KPlayer was stagnant for two years or so, but the author has recently revived it and fixed lots of bugs and made it pretty nice.
20:44.15vbgunzbut how do you get it on Kubuntu? is itknown by another name?
20:44.40Sho_vbgunz: the default toolbar setup is a mess, but the menus are pretty orderly and it exposes more of MPlayer's feature set than any otheR KDE player, thus with a little tweaking of the toolbars it's a very nice player.
20:45.00Sho_vbgunz: http://www.eikehein.com/files/kplayer.png is how I have set it up
20:45.20AmyRoseergroot: What UA string did you have to use to make that site work?
20:45.34Sho_vbgunz: As for a Kubuntu package -- I don't use Kubuntu and can't help in that regard, sorry
20:45.56vbgunzI'll look for it on the net :)
20:48.35ergrootFirefox 2.0.0.8
20:48.46ergrootbut any FireFox will probably do
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20:51.56iljhi guys. i run kde 3.5.7 on a notebook machine. i figured that it's impossible to add a battery indicator to the kicker.
20:52.12ilji click a corresponding button but nothing appears in the kicker
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20:52.41dwinslowilj: kpowersave and klaptop are two tools that provide battery indicators in the system tray
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20:53.03dwinslowthere are also superkaramba desktop widgets that provide battery indicators
20:53.13iljdwinslow, does that mean that a default kde setup won't provide that battery status indicator right out of the box?
20:53.32vbgunzSho_: am downloading it from Debian unstable. Yesterday I was seriously konsidering giving Debian a real shot. unfortunately my wireless card doesn't work out of the box and I cannot hook up a wired connection :(
20:53.32dwinslowmine did
20:53.41dwinslowi suppose it depends on your distribution
20:53.42iljpoint is that I'm curious as to why it won't appear when it's supposed to
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20:54.55vbgunzwell kplayer plays iso files without a problem
20:54.58vbgunzthats a good thing
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20:55.37dwinslowkplayer can also pipe things through kioslaves, which can be nice on a local network
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20:59.06vbgunzdownloading from Debian was probably a bad idea. I can play DVDs but have no support for them in a sense. no main or root menu and hovering over DVD links doesn't do anything :O
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21:00.29dwinslowvbgunz: kplayer doesn't have DVD navigation support afaik
21:00.40dwinslowmplayer has experimental support for it, i think
21:00.45vbgunzahh
21:00.50vbgunzso this is expected
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21:29.35mrignswill kde4 get rid of the unsmoothly resizing of windows until release?
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21:31.55aseigomrigns: qt 4.4 comes with smooth internal repaints, and that coupled with composition management gives us hope for kde 4.1 (4.0 will be qt 4.3 based)
21:32.13aseigomrigns: it's already better in a number of places with composition turned on, but that's only part of the solution
21:32.53mrignsaseigo: thx for the info, i just compiled from svn
21:33.26mrignsso i wondered if that could be the reason ;P
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22:41.30sourcemakerare there any known problems using a nvidia geforce3 on KDE?
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22:57.51sourcemaker_are the any developers around here?
22:58.27PhilRodsourcemaker_: mostly in #kde-devel or #kde4-devel
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22:58.44sourcemaker_PhilRod: Thanks a lot
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23:03.43luytKDE4? Interesting.
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23:13.00sourcemaker_luyt:  KDE4 is not working well on the current release... too much bugs :-)
23:15.03luytIs it me, or is it hard to find a 'what's new in this release' for KDE4?
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23:57.29Dar1uscan anyone help me creating a custom XML file to add menu entries to the K menu?

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