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| 00:29.08 | spx2 | anybody here use konqueror ? |
| 00:29.10 | spx2 | and maybe the Ctrl wich shows hotkeys ? |
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| 00:39.54 | Azz | #ubuntu,es |
| 00:42.19 | dwinslow | spx2: what about the access keys in konqueror? |
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| 01:04.34 | spx2 | dwinslow: just that they're not shown on each page |
| 01:11.38 | dwinslow | hm, never had that problem |
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| 01:42.42 | Jucato | troy: oooh seems like your internet's ok now :) |
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| 01:43.09 | derrich | I'm running KDE 3.5.7 on Gentoo 2007.0/amd64 , and I'm unable to disable the screen locking. I've disabled the screensaver, and disabled the monitor power saving options, but KDE still goes to a blank screen and requires a password after around 12-15 minutes of inactivity |
| 01:43.41 | derrich | Is there some other option in the Control Center that I've failed to set? |
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| 02:05.39 | ganymede | do you think it is possible with kmail for me to download an entire gmail mailbox while keeping unread messages still marked unread? |
| 02:05.55 | ganymede | because usually when i download them, unread things become marked as read |
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| 02:15.54 | Jucato | ganymede: where is it marked as read? |
| 02:17.14 | ganymede | Jucato: on gmail's web interface |
| 02:17.27 | ganymede | Jucato: i'll like them to remain unread even after i pop download them |
| 02:17.40 | Jucato | ganymede: really? that's actually my problem right now. I want them to be marked as read when downloaded :) |
| 02:17.59 | ganymede | Jucato: do you have them moved to the archive when you download them? |
| 02:18.22 | Jucato | nope |
| 02:18.27 | ganymede | it seems that when they are moved to the archive, they are automatically marked as read |
| 02:18.45 | ganymede | then maybe if i leave them outside the archive, they will be remain unread...but then the problem is they won't be in the archive |
| 02:19.28 | Jucato | tbh, I don't even know what the archive is for :) |
| 02:20.50 | ganymede | okay, so i guess i'll try disabling the archive thing and see if they remain unread |
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| 02:25.30 | ganymede | yep, that worked |
| 02:25.40 | Jucato | :) |
| 02:25.41 | ganymede | guess i gotta archive things manually |
| 02:25.58 | Jucato | hm.. if I archive them will the tags still remain? |
| 02:26.05 | Jucato | I mean will they stiil be tagged properly? |
| 02:26.08 | ganymede | i don't know; i don't use tags |
| 02:26.19 | ganymede | send a test to yourself, tag it up, and move it to the archive, and see what happens |
| 02:26.45 | Jucato | ah no wonder your inbox is full :) |
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| 02:27.05 | dwinslow | yes, archived messages stay tagged |
| 02:27.09 | ganymede | brb; i'm going to restart X with some new fonts. like 500 new fonts. hopefully, it doesn't take an hour to start up |
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| 02:27.17 | Jucato | thanks dwinslow... |
| 02:27.39 | Jucato | at least now I know how to make fetched messages be marked as read ) |
| 02:27.40 | Jucato | :) |
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| 02:28.42 | dwinslow | i prefer not to have downloading alter the messages on the server |
| 02:29.00 | ganymede | hmm...no noticeable slowdown |
| 02:29.08 | dwinslow | but it is kind of annoying when I access it via web the odd time and everything is unread |
| 02:29.21 | Jucato | I just want them to be read... because it's cumbersome to have to go online and manually mark all of them... |
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| 02:37.38 | ganymede | my university provides IMAP |
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| 02:37.46 | ganymede | but i never played around with imap |
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| 02:38.45 | ganymede | ah, can't wait for qt4 so i can have better text rendering |
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| 02:39.37 | Lanken | darn kubuntu...the font installer is broken and the channel is useless |
| 02:41.10 | ganymede | copy and paste then into ~/.fonts? |
| 02:41.16 | Lanken | I did |
| 02:41.30 | Lanken | and I did fc-cache with some options recommended by a page online |
| 02:41.34 | ganymede | i just did that and restarted X and now i have beautiful adobe pro fonts |
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| 02:41.40 | ganymede | dunno if the restart was even required |
| 02:41.44 | Jucato | Lanken: fonts:/ in Konqueror? |
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| 02:43.01 | Lanken | Jucato: that's odd...they don't appear to be there, but when I drag new ones in, I'm asked about whether to overwrite |
| 02:43.09 | Jucato | F5 ? |
| 02:43.17 | ganymede | thank god everything is working correctly for you |
| 02:43.20 | Lanken | no effect |
| 02:43.49 | jMerliN | Questions: 1. How do I lower the acceleration of my mouse below 1.0x because that is still WAY too fast. |
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| 02:44.14 | Lanken | I'm going to reboot :\ |
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| 02:46.19 | jMerliN | Questions: 1. How do I lower the acceleration of my mouse below 1.0x because that is still WAY too fast. |
| 02:46.38 | ganymede | jMerliN: i think 1.0 is like no acceleration |
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| 02:47.30 | ganymede | jMerliN: i think you want to increase the pointer threshold |
| 02:47.30 | Lanken | yep, fonts:/Personal/ is still showing nothing |
| 02:47.49 | ganymede | jMerliN: unless you want like decceleration, which is a unique need...but should be implemented nevertheless |
| 02:47.56 | ganymede | jMerliN: and we heard you the first time you asked |
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| 02:48.26 | BillyBeans | hello from TX |
| 02:49.08 | jMerliN | ganymede: threshold did nothing |
| 02:49.20 | jMerliN | the mouse I have has a very high DPI and therefore outputs a much finer input to the system |
| 02:49.31 | jMerliN | at 1.0x it's like a normal microsoft mouse at 5.0x |
| 02:49.33 | jMerliN | it's much too fast |
| 02:49.46 | jMerliN | i would like to see 0.1-1.0 implemented for people with such a problem |
| 02:52.18 | BillyBeans | hey how do i make my kde look badass |
| 02:52.42 | dwinslow | learn to write code, make a badass theme |
| 02:52.52 | dwinslow | alternatively, find something badass on kde-look.org |
| 02:52.57 | Jucato | BillyBeans: http://www.kde-look.org and http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/customizing-desktop.html |
| 02:53.09 | BillyBeans | Jucate: thanks |
| 02:53.45 | bsckdq | ok great |
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| 02:55.42 | ganymede | jMerliN: acceleration is how much faster it gets after you start moving it, isn't it? |
| 02:56.01 | ganymede | jMerliN: and threshold is how many pixels you have to move the mouse in order for the cursor to move 1 pixel? |
| 02:57.04 | jMerliN | no |
| 02:57.14 | jMerliN | threshold is how many pixels are moved per pixel scanned by the mouse. |
| 02:57.25 | jMerliN | for a high resolution mouse, a threshold of 0 and an accel of 1.0 is still far too fast. |
| 02:57.43 | ganymede | really? for me, increasing the threshold slowed down the cursor |
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| 02:57.51 | jMerliN | just did it from 0 to 20 |
| 02:57.53 | jMerliN | made it go faster. |
| 02:59.35 | ganymede | ahaha that's just funny |
| 03:00.02 | ganymede | sorry, i have no idea anymore because threshold has always been my way of slowing down the mouse |
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| 03:00.52 | ganymede | can i ask kde to use the semibold or light versions of a font instead of the bold version when it needs bold text? the bold version of my font is wayy to bold, i'd like to use semibold |
| 03:01.07 | jMerliN | surely someone here knows how to get finer control of the mouse configuration than using the control panel |
| 03:01.10 | jMerliN | because it's horribly setup |
| 03:01.39 | jMerliN | it's assuming that all mice are at a standard |
| 03:01.40 | ganymede | i always thought mouse stuff is under X configs (even though it belongs under desktop configuration, and apparently IS there) |
| 03:01.43 | jMerliN | which is pretty far from correct |
| 03:02.19 | ganymede | jMerliN: so should we break the standard so that your mouse works, and thus encourage more mouse-makers to break standards? |
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| 03:04.53 | BillyBeans | is anyone in hear good with postfix? |
| 03:04.55 | ganymede | oh i just found the solution |
| 03:04.59 | BillyBeans | i have a question |
| 03:05.00 | ganymede | but he left =( |
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| 03:07.13 | linicks | what's the normal program for unzipping and untarring in kde called |
| 03:07.32 | grepper | ark |
| 03:07.41 | linicks | ty |
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| 03:21.38 | linicks | How do I install the icon theme nuvola |
| 03:22.37 | Jucato | linicks: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/customizing-desktop.html |
| 03:23.28 | linicks | oh dont extract it |
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| 04:09.26 | twodogs | I'm having a weird issue. I recently upgraded my xorg-server and developed some odd mouse behavious (Click and drag in title bar shades instead of moves) I updated xf86-input-mouse and that fixed it... I did evdev just in case... but my touchpad no works fine but my bluetooth mouse still behaves oddly. |
| 04:09.29 | twodogs | Any ideas? |
| 04:11.50 | ganymede | KDE apps seem to take very very long to start up when the numbers of fonts exceeds 2000. is this normal and is it fixed in SVN, or are there plans to fix it, and is it fixable? |
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| 04:22.51 | vinboy | hi |
| 04:23.04 | vinboy | anyone know how to make the tray become two layers? |
| 04:23.07 | vinboy | instead of just one |
| 04:23.17 | vinboy | so I can stack the tray icons |
| 04:24.10 | dwinslow | vinboy: should happen automatically if your panel is tall enough |
| 04:24.22 | vinboy | k. let me try |
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| 04:24.39 | dwinslow | or wide enough, should you have a vertical panel like me |
| 04:24.41 | vinboy | oh... yea.. i get it now |
| 04:24.48 | vinboy | but it's soooo tall |
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| 04:25.01 | vinboy | wait i show u the screen of kubuntu's |
| 04:25.03 | dwinslow | 48px or so should do it |
| 04:25.14 | vinboy | they have slim taskbar, yet have the nice tray |
| 04:25.27 | dwinslow | my 74px panel is wide enough for 3 rows so... |
| 04:25.35 | vinboy | im currently using 56px |
| 04:25.51 | vinboy | oh. no no |
| 04:26.57 | dwinslow | no? |
| 04:26.58 | vinboy | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=strigi1.png |
| 04:27.32 | dwinslow | that taskbar doesn't look all that slim to me |
| 04:27.45 | vinboy | well... it's same size as mine |
| 04:27.53 | vinboy | but my tray is eating up my space :( |
| 04:28.04 | vinboy | i like the double layer tray |
| 04:28.38 | dwinslow | that tray is 45 pixels tall according to kruler |
| 04:29.05 | dwinslow | if you like the double layer tray but don't want to have it take up space on your main panel you can add another panel just for the tray |
| 04:29.23 | vinboy | oh.. true |
| 04:29.27 | vinboy | maybe i should |
| 04:29.29 | dwinslow | maybe have a slim panel all the way across the top of the screen with tray icons or something |
| 04:29.57 | vinboy | hm...... |
| 04:30.05 | vinboy | but i kind of like it on the right-bottom |
| 04:30.15 | vinboy | hey.. do u have kde4 |
| 04:30.27 | dwinslow | nope, i'm not a developer :) |
| 04:30.33 | dwinslow | well, not a kde developer anyway |
| 04:30.54 | vinboy | they have beta2 packages |
| 04:31.28 | dwinslow | who's 'they'? |
| 04:31.54 | vinboy | opensuse |
| 04:32.01 | vinboy | there should be some for fedora as well |
| 04:32.05 | vinboy | kubuntu has it too |
| 04:32.38 | dwinslow | anyway, i'll just hang out and look at screenshots until it's actually out |
| 04:32.49 | vinboy | i cant wait |
| 04:33.09 | dwinslow | it should be some pretty nice software |
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| 04:34.25 | CPrgmSwR2 | beta3 should be out soon |
| 04:34.41 | CPrgmSwR2 | mabye it will be out soon |
| 04:34.58 | vinboy | hope someone make fedora packages |
| 04:35.16 | dwinslow | there will be fedora packages |
| 04:35.18 | CPrgmSwR2 | I am sure just about any distro will make upgrade packages for kde4 |
| 04:35.20 | vinboy | do you guys use smart or yum? |
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| 04:35.40 | dwinslow | i use yum |
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| 04:35.59 | vinboy | sweet |
| 04:36.07 | vinboy | gentoo has kde4 since long time ago |
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| 04:36.37 | vinboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.43 | dwinslow | unlike me, CPrgmSwR2 actually is a kde developer |
| 04:36.44 | vinboy | Beta 3 is prepared, initially tested and released on October 16. |
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| 04:36.51 | vinboy | sweet... |
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| 04:43.01 | _CitizenKane_ | hi everyone, i just compiled KDE4 and added a .desktop file so that I could boot kde4 through kdm, but the entry isn't showing up, is there anyone that could help? |
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| 04:44.08 | grepper | possibly |
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| 04:45.04 | _CitizenKane_ | i'd just like to get a kde4 session going so i can play around with stuff :) |
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| 04:46.08 | grepper | where did you put it ? |
| 04:46.13 | CPrgmSwR2 | _CitizenKane_: type echo ~/.xinitrc |
| 04:46.15 | CPrgmSwR2 | oops |
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| 04:46.34 | CPrgmSwR2 | _CitizenKane_: type echo exec startkde" > ~/.xinitrc |
| 04:46.36 | pfein | anyone try to run kde apps (konversation, konqueror) under xfce? they don't seem to be picking up existing configuration... |
| 04:46.39 | CPrgmSwR2 | _CitizenKane_: type echo "exec startkde" > ~/.xinitrc |
| 04:46.56 | CPrgmSwR2 | then you can kill kdm and type startx or xinitd |
| 04:47.08 | grepper | um, what if he has something there he needs ? You just overwrote it |
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| 04:47.54 | _CitizenKane_ | grepper, no worries, i just used >> |
| 04:48.20 | _CitizenKane_ | well, i'll give it a try |
| 04:48.25 | _CitizenKane_ | thanks for the help |
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| 04:52.50 | MaxHR | any sites of what the kde4 desktop gui will look like yet? (rough, theoretical, mockup...) |
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| 04:53.09 | _CitizenKane_ | well, i tried to get a session to boot, but i got an error message... |
| 04:53.58 | _CitizenKane_ | MaxHR, ya let me grab a link for you quickly |
| 04:55.07 | _CitizenKane_ | MaxHR, http://jarzebski.pl/read/kde-4-rev-712779.so |
| 04:56.18 | _CitizenKane_ | so for anyone that can answer, i try to start KDE4 and I get the following error message "Call to lnusertemp failed. ..." Anyone know how I can fix that? |
| 04:56.47 | CPrgmSwR2 | what does lnusertemp cache give you |
| 04:58.31 | _CitizenKane_ | error: can not create directory "/var/temp/kyle-kde4/kdecache-kyle |
| 04:58.40 | _CitizenKane_ | there is another line to the same effect |
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| 04:59.07 | MaxHR | _CitizenKane_: nice, is that for sure what it is planned to look like, or just possibility? |
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| 04:59.32 | kaba | hi, how can I set KDE to display fonts in all menus with 11pt? I mean, REAL 11pt (WYSIWYG) and not that my 12pt set look like 10pt on the TFT |
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| 05:00.21 | _CitizenKane_ | MaxHR, that is a compiled revision, there may be changes but things will be along those lines |
| 05:01.09 | MaxHR | _CitizenKane_: I like the visual style, but the functional layout of things is a little disappointing |
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| 05:01.53 | _CitizenKane_ | MaxHR, well it isn't done yet ;), and it sounds like there is plenty in store for releases after KDE4 |
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| 05:02.42 | _CitizenKane_ | CPrgmSwR2, do you know what's going on? or should i give up for tonight ;) ? |
| 05:03.36 | CPrgmSwR2 | _CitizenKane_: yes I know whats going on, its tring to create a directory where you don't have premissions |
| 05:03.41 | MaxHR | _CitizenKane_: kool, still time for me to make some badass mockups =) |
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| 05:04.05 | CPrgmSwR2 | You probably copied the .bashrc from techbash |
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| 05:05.02 | _CitizenKane_ | CPrgmSwR2, indeed i did, things with it don't quite work out? |
| 05:05.07 | CPrgmSwR2 | _CitizenKane_: if you log in as your kde4 user and run lnusertemp cache, you should see where its trying to write to |
| 05:05.32 | MaxHR | I wonder if the kde4 devs pay attention to the kde4 brainstorm area on kde-look... |
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| 05:06.24 | CPrgmSwR2 | MaxHR: not really, they have a specific mockup their going by |
| 05:07.15 | _CitizenKane_ | i had thought that the new jobs framework was taken from one of the brainstorm topics on kde-look |
| 05:07.40 | MaxHR | CPrgmSwR2: so where can the community give input for mockups that the devs will use? |
| 05:08.05 | CPrgmSwR2 | on kde-look.org is the best place |
| 05:08.45 | CPrgmSwR2 | The point I am trying to make is that kde4 has already reached a hardening phase |
| 05:09.05 | CPrgmSwR2 | So much of the mockup stuff will have to wait |
| 05:09.25 | _CitizenKane_ | CPrgmSwR2, well i am logged in as kde4 user, and /var/tmp has global write/read permission =/ |
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| 05:10.53 | _CitizenKane_ | oh well, i need to get some sleep, i will resume this some time tomorrow |
| 05:11.05 | _CitizenKane_ | thanks for the help nonetheless |
| 05:11.08 | CPrgmSwR2 | _CitizenKane_: to be honest |
| 05:11.16 | CPrgmSwR2 | kde4 is pretty much broken right now |
| 05:11.37 | CPrgmSwR2 | will the plasmoid stuff is not working |
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| 05:12.24 | _CitizenKane_ | CPrgmSwR2, well, if i can get a session going at all maybe I can ply some of my poor coding skill to fixing a few bugs ;) |
| 05:12.40 | _CitizenKane_ | anyhow, thanks again, bye everyone |
| 05:12.46 | CPrgmSwR2 | okay bye |
| 05:13.37 | MaxHR | CPrgmSwR2: ok, so the initial kde4 interface is pretty much set |
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| 05:14.28 | MaxHR | I am using suse 10.3, are the kde4 packs they have in Main ok to try? (not broken) |
| 05:14.42 | sabayonlive-1676 | how do you show the top panel again? |
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| 05:15.14 | CPrgmSwR2 | MaxHR: its okay, most of the beta release of KDE4 have been of alpha quality though |
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| 08:22.09 | Cerden | hi |
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| 08:23.25 | Cerden | c' e' nessun |
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| 09:40.50 | thehcdreamer | Hello i'm trying to upgrade to the gutsy beta thought the adept manager. But i receive this error: could not download the upgrade tool. Please check that you internet connection is active |
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| 09:41.08 | stdin | thehcdreamer: #ubuntu+1 |
| 09:41.25 | thehcdreamer | mhm ok sorry |
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| 11:08.07 | aeshyamae | hi does kde now have a voice control? |
| 11:08.26 | aeshyamae | i mean to control the desktop by voice commands? |
| 11:08.47 | aeshyamae | there was a google summer of code project for gnome voice control...what abt kde? |
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| 11:09.43 | t00na | hey, is there a way to export Kate schemas? |
| 11:09.57 | t00na | I just made this really nice one that I want to put on KDE-Look |
| 11:10.52 | sredna | t00na: unfortunately not |
| 11:11.12 | sredna | t00na: lets see if we can get around to that before kde4 is released... |
| 11:11.20 | t00na | where are they stored? |
| 11:11.27 | aeshyamae | any nice speech recognition software in kde or generally in gnu/linux? |
| 11:11.45 | sredna | t00na: KDEHOME/share/apps/katepart/ somewhere |
| 11:12.10 | sredna | t00na: you can manually cut them out of the file there, and people can manually paste them in |
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| 11:13.08 | t00na | sredna: okay, I'm looking around there now.. |
| 11:13.12 | nhnFreespirit | aeshyamae: Google is your friend: http://sound.condorow.net/speech.html |
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| 11:14.00 | mahdi_j | can i connect to windows pptp vpn with kppp. |
| 11:14.33 | aeshyamae | nhnFreespirit: i did google...that also showed me some projects..whichs not under development as ibmviavoice became propreitary..and saying sphinx is not enough |
| 11:15.15 | nhnFreespirit | aeshyamae: ok. I dont have any personal experience with any, it just seemed to me there was a lot of information out there |
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| 11:16.19 | t00na | sredna: I think i found it.. |
| 11:16.30 | t00na | But it's not easy to redistribute... |
| 11:16.31 | mahdi_j | can i connect to windows pptp vpn with kppp. |
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| 11:17.34 | t00na | It looks like each language has it's own XML config file... |
| 11:17.56 | t00na | To redistribute my theme, I'd have to redistribute this entire directory |
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| 11:18.26 | sredna | t00na: did you get my replies in #kate? |
| 11:18.33 | t00na | no |
| 11:18.41 | sredna | t00na: the schemas are in .kde/share/config/kateschemarc |
| 11:18.47 | t00na | yup. found them. |
| 11:18.51 | sredna | good :) |
| 11:19.06 | sredna | you can cut/paste the group containing your schema |
| 11:19.23 | t00na | wait... on mine it's /usr/share/apps/katepart/syntax |
| 11:19.45 | t00na | yeah, but that seems kind of... |
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| 11:19.51 | sredna | that is something different |
| 11:19.59 | t00na | It's something different, yeah... |
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| 11:21.15 | t00na | I'll try it... |
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| 11:21.48 | aeshyamae | nhnFreespirit: thanks a lott that was a nice page..though that have some dead links...interesting to see soo much applications :) |
| 11:21.56 | sredna | t00na: the file .kde/share/config/kateschemarc is a simple INI style file, where your schema is represented by a group. it's quite easy to cut/paste |
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| 11:23.32 | t00na | ah... gotcha :) |
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| 11:39.04 | whirm | hi all! |
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| 11:39.52 | t00na | sredna: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=67429 |
| 11:40.06 | t00na | I like dark themes |
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| 11:41.15 | sredna | t00na: I have designed a few, but itend to use light ones |
| 11:41.56 | t00na | that's cool... |
| 11:42.10 | sredna | I have 'graphite' with a very dark grey background, 'mocca' with dark brown background and my famous 'barbie' scheme which basically makes everything light pink :P |
| 11:42.30 | t00na | hm... are they on KDE-Look? |
| 11:42.47 | sredna | t00na: i's cool that you publish it.. i should really add import/export buttons |
| 11:42.56 | sredna | no, unfortunately not |
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| 11:43.21 | t00na | Oh. Well... you want to email them to me? |
| 11:44.20 | sredna | uhm, some of them has gone.. |
| 11:44.29 | sredna | and it seems there are more places to look for the data |
| 11:44.53 | sredna | all the syntax specific colors must be in another file |
| 11:45.06 | t00na | Oh... |
| 11:45.13 | t00na | :( |
| 11:46.02 | t00na | I'll delete it... |
| 11:47.34 | sredna | yes |
| 11:47.46 | sredna | .kde/share/config/katesyntaxhighlightingrc contains data too |
| 11:47.56 | sredna | lots of it :-) |
| 11:48.44 | sredna | most importantly the default item styles, but also a few highlight specific ones if you define them |
| 11:49.00 | sredna | that makes the importing/exporting more complex |
| 11:49.09 | t00na | yeah... I'm going to do this when it's not 4:49 in the morning |
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| 11:49.32 | t00na | I should kind of be in bed several hours ago |
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| 11:52.04 | t00na | see ya, and thanks for the help |
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| 11:52.37 | vlt | Hello. Somehow the area in kicker where all open apps are shown ("Fensterleiste" in German) has gone. How can I reactivate it? |
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| 11:54.29 | vinboy | should i use beryl or compiz? |
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| 11:55.15 | MinceR | i'd say compiz fusion but i haven't tried it yet |
| 11:56.23 | vinboy | thanks |
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| 12:10.07 | oli | does anyone know how to setup a dsl conection over wifi? |
| 12:10.41 | Thundercloud | What do you mean? |
| 12:10.44 | Thundercloud | Using a wireless router? |
| 12:11.26 | oli | no, just plain wifi card on atheros chip set |
| 12:11.43 | Thundercloud | Well there must be some kind of server somewhere? |
| 12:11.44 | oli | its functioning, but... |
| 12:11.56 | Thundercloud | Ah, but what? |
| 12:11.57 | oli | without dsl its useless |
| 12:12.05 | Thundercloud | Well how are you getting your connection? |
| 12:12.20 | oli | I can get it over pppoe in console.. |
| 12:12.38 | Thundercloud | I still don't understand. Is this some kind of municipal wifi? |
| 12:12.55 | Thundercloud | Or do you have a wireless router, or? |
| 12:13.08 | oli | now I dont get it |
| 12:13.16 | oli | its just a pci card |
| 12:13.24 | Thundercloud | That's not the point. |
| 12:13.26 | Thundercloud | You have DSL right? |
| 12:13.30 | Thundercloud | How does DSL get to your computer usually? |
| 12:13.40 | oli | no, not actually |
| 12:13.48 | Thundercloud | Well there you go |
| 12:13.48 | oli | Im over wireless |
| 12:13.57 | Thundercloud | wireless internet? |
| 12:14.07 | oli | but in order to connect with isp I need dsl connection |
| 12:14.19 | oli | for username and password |
| 12:14.35 | Thundercloud | Where is the wireless coming from though? |
| 12:15.03 | oli | over the wireless card |
| 12:15.09 | Thundercloud | From where? |
| 12:15.34 | oli | ops sorry.... local access point |
| 12:15.41 | Thundercloud | Ah |
| 12:15.45 | Thundercloud | That you don't own correct? |
| 12:15.47 | eljefe | does anyone know, does KTorrent use the onion router (TOR)? |
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| 12:16.09 | oli | no, i have just an account there |
| 12:16.13 | Thundercloud | Right |
| 12:16.25 | Thundercloud | I have absolutely no idea how you would even go about setting that up. |
| 12:16.28 | Thundercloud | I've never heard of it before :P |
| 12:16.29 | Thundercloud | Sorry |
| 12:16.46 | oli | no problem |
| 12:16.59 | oli | there is a console thing |
| 12:17.12 | oli | called pppoe which works |
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| 12:17.29 | oli | as you can see... |
| 12:17.34 | Thundercloud | That's ppp over ethernet |
| 12:17.35 | Thundercloud | interesting |
| 12:17.39 | eljefe | generally, you would log into the DSL box and give it info as provided by the ISP |
| 12:18.06 | oli | but im not happy with all that typing |
| 12:18.23 | oli | yes, for user name and psw |
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| 12:19.08 | oli | well, has anyone an ordinary dsl connection? |
| 12:19.56 | eljefe | i do, but my 'ordinary' may be different from yours |
| 12:20.16 | eljefe | my dsl goes into a box and i neve r have had to use pppoe to connect |
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| 12:21.23 | oli | of course because it means peer to peer protocol over ethernet |
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| 12:21.55 | oli | but what steps did you take to establish it? |
| 12:22.47 | Jucato | oli: perhaps you could try asking in your distro's channel? |
| 12:23.19 | oli | gladly, if i can find it. |
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| 12:23.52 | Jucato | oli: what's your distro? |
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| 12:24.58 | oli | its 3.4 mini |
| 12:25.08 | eljefe | oli i used the IP of my router to find the IP of my DSL 'modem', then I used a web browser to get to the modem's setup webpage, I entered the info provided by my DSL company, then (every time i set up this DSL) I had to call the DSL company and tell them that the info is wrong, then we argue, then they finally give me the correct account name and password to enter into the DSL box' webpage, and I am working. |
| 12:25.22 | Jucato | oli: what distro is that? you mean sabayon? |
| 12:25.42 | eljefe | oli have you asked in #networking ? |
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| 12:25.50 | Jucato | oli: if it is, #sabayon then |
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| 12:26.28 | oli | well, thats way different from my cae |
| 12:26.42 | oli | thanks for the try! |
| 12:27.18 | oli | I`ll try in those other channels |
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| 12:33.11 | iarwain1 | Can anyone tell me what the cause could be that KDE can't initialize any kio slaves? Whenever i click on a link in konversation i get that error. |
| 12:34.18 | annma | and what about other KDE apps? |
| 12:34.24 | annma | what about konqueror? |
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| 12:34.58 | iarwain1 | konquerer can surf the internet |
| 12:35.13 | FreshPrince | moin |
| 12:35.22 | annma | and what about things like ftp:/ |
| 12:36.10 | iarwain1 | ftp works |
| 12:36.51 | annma | so it's only in konvi? |
| 12:37.16 | iarwain1 | as far as i know, yes |
| 12:38.11 | iarwain1 | and i think amarok too, can't get the album art no more |
| 12:38.30 | annma | type fish:/ in konqueror |
| 12:38.43 | iarwain1 | works |
| 12:38.58 | annma | no more |
| 12:39.02 | annma | so it works before |
| 12:39.11 | annma | it worked before |
| 12:39.17 | iarwain1 | it worked before |
| 12:39.23 | annma | try a new user |
| 12:39.55 | iarwain1 | annma: does that mean that i will lose all the settings i made with my current user? |
| 12:40.11 | annma | just try a new user first |
| 12:40.25 | annma | we'll see after that |
| 12:40.36 | annma | next time say in your question taht it worked previously |
| 12:40.57 | iarwain1 | alright :) |
| 12:40.59 | iarwain1 | gonna try |
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| 12:43.46 | Jucato | annma!!! |
| 12:44.20 | annma | hi Jucato :)) |
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| 12:45.37 | iarwain1 | annma: new user gives the same error |
| 12:46.30 | annma | ah so what did you install just before it stopped working? |
| 12:47.21 | iarwain1 | annma: don't remember, but i know i wanted to try networkmanager (doesn't work either tbh ^_^ ), so i probabely installed knetworkmanager |
| 12:47.47 | annma | iarwain1: ask in your distro channel then how to repair your installation |
| 12:47.58 | iarwain1 | okay :) |
| 12:48.02 | iarwain1 | thx anyways! |
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| 13:20.30 | Nyle | annma: hi |
| 13:21.36 | annma | hi Nyle :) |
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| 13:32.58 | Nyle | oh hey |
| 13:33.06 | Nyle | I went away for a minute or 12 |
| 13:33.08 | Nyle | :D |
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| 13:38.50 | matthiewz | hi everybody |
| 13:39.03 | Nyle | hello |
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| 13:39.38 | matthiewz | it's very quite here |
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| 13:41.27 | Nyle | it is |
| 13:41.37 | matthiewz | is everybody slleping or somebody want to talk with me??? |
| 13:41.39 | Nyle | matthiewz: do you need help with something? |
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| 13:42.01 | Nyle | I can talk, if you are a beautiful girl with nekkid pics |
| 13:42.02 | Nyle | j/k |
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| 13:42.35 | matthiewz | no way!! |
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| 13:43.23 | Nyle | i like girls |
| 13:43.37 | Nyle | I love girls man |
| 13:43.39 | matthiewz | taht's great |
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| 13:43.45 | Nyle | wow, they are very cool |
| 13:43.52 | Nyle | like my sister, some of her habits are hilarious |
| 13:43.56 | Nyle | and my niece is sooo cute |
| 13:44.05 | icwiener | Erm... |
| 13:44.34 | matthiewz | you're a bit strange |
| 13:44.38 | Nyle | why? |
| 13:44.57 | Nyle | I'm happy. Also it is a beautiful day outside, and I love my family |
| 13:45.04 | Jucato | can you please not discuss that in here? |
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| 13:45.24 | Nyle | Jucato: sure, you had the sense to ask nicely |
| 13:45.49 | crazy_bus | Is there anyway to get konversation to translate posted text automatically? |
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| 13:46.08 | Jucato | crazy_bus: Auto Replace? or you mean something else? |
| 13:46.20 | Nyle | no it is not possible at this time |
| 13:46.45 | crazy_bus | yes or provide the translated text next to it |
| 13:47.07 | Jucato | hm.. what do you mean by "translated text"? as in translated to another language? |
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| 13:47.17 | Nyle | Jucato: what else could it be? |
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| 13:47.32 | Jucato | dunno. that's why I'm asking |
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| 13:49.25 | crazy_bus | yes |
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| 13:59.03 | jthomas | how can I keep Amarok from autostarting when I log in? I have tried both amarok and amarokapp in the KDE blacklist in session manager, and it's not doing its job. |
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| 13:59.56 | Jucato | jthomas: simply quittng it when you logout doesn't work either? |
| 14:00.22 | jthomas | hmm not sure, but I am not always present when my machine goes down at the end of my workday. |
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| 14:00.29 | jthomas | yes it would work i think |
| 14:00.44 | jthomas | but even when i am here, i am usually so excited to drink a beer that i may forget ;) |
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| 14:01.15 | Jucato | did you check if ~/.kde/Autostart has a link to amarok? |
| 14:01.22 | jthomas | yes i checked, it doesn't |
| 14:02.36 | sredna | and KDEDIR/share/autostart/? |
| 14:04.08 | jthomas | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.02 | Jucato | must be gRemlins... |
| 14:05.41 | MinceR | kremlins |
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| 14:08.02 | Jucato | nah. those are the good guys... |
| 14:08.04 | Jucato | :) |
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| 14:42.22 | sabayonuser | sabayon? can java or flash install thru firefox?? |
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| 14:43.12 | benJIman | sabayonuser: /join #sabayon |
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| 14:46.56 | sabayonuser | any tips on where or how to install flash or java on linux?? |
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| 14:47.23 | benJIman | sabayonuser: type /join #sabayon |
| 14:48.17 | sabayonuser | did join it... no one is answering.... |
| 14:50.01 | sabayonuser | benJIman: does java/flash work on linux... could it b easily installed??? i used windows and am using a live cd [sambayon]... and just need these two or more things to install, in order to get thing going |
| 14:50.36 | mark_alec | sabayonuser: they are both easy to install |
| 14:50.50 | boom1992 | search your packet-management |
| 14:50.51 | boom1992 | ^^ |
| 14:51.28 | benJIman | sabayonuser: This channel is for KDE support, not sabayon, firefox, and flash. You probably just need to be a bit more patient. |
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| 15:07.19 | x_link | Does anybody use Gutsy here? |
| 15:07.57 | Jucato | x_link: #ubuntu+1 please |
| 15:08.21 | x_link | Jucato: Okej. |
| 15:08.27 | x_link | Jucato: I need help with a KDE thing. |
| 15:08.43 | x_link | But since I changed to Kubuntu Gutsy something in my kControl is missing. |
| 15:08.55 | x_link | I can't do Alt+k to open konsole anymore. |
| 15:09.02 | x_link | And all the Input-settings are gone. |
| 15:09.14 | Jucato | it's a distro isse |
| 15:09.17 | Jucato | issue |
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| 15:09.26 | crazy | so ask Kubuntu folks ?:) sounds like a distro bug |
| 15:09.26 | x_link | Jucato: Ohh okej. |
| 15:09.45 | x_link | Jucato: Sorry for asking the wrong kind of question here. |
| 15:09.59 | Jucato | don't worry. you're not alone :) |
| 15:10.13 | x_link | =) |
| 15:10.15 | Jucato | #kde is almost like traffic control nowadays :) |
| 15:10.34 | x_link | hehe |
| 15:11.00 | TunaTom | Hi. What is kaccess good for? |
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| 15:12.32 | TunaTom | It seems to be using lots of CPU% in kde4.0 (svn-build) ? |
| 15:12.55 | TunaTom | Seems as if everything keeps working fine if I kill the process. |
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| 15:13.33 | TunaTom | Google's not of much help there (Microsoft DB-helper) |
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| 15:14.14 | TunaTom | The sources contain strings like "You have pressed the CTRL-Key for a long time. Something will be changed." |
| 15:14.19 | chinasky | hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000 |
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| 15:14.37 | chinasky | sorry, can someone help me about this error please? |
| 15:15.13 | chinasky | when i plug my usb disk (hfs+) |
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| 15:16.25 | chinasky | is this a kde fail or the system? cause in gnome works ok .I got installed kde 3.5.7 |
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| 15:18.25 | annma | chinasky: ask in your distro channel if KDE has hal support |
| 15:18.52 | Jucato | annma!!!! |
| 15:18.56 | Jucato | oh wait, I greeted you already... |
| 15:18.59 | annma | lol |
| 15:19.01 | annma | ;) |
| 15:19.07 | secleinteer | is there a way to disable kopete messageboxes automatically just for when kaffeine is playing fullscreen video? |
| 15:19.08 | Sho_ | annma!!!! |
| 15:19.19 | annma | hi Sho_ :)) |
| 15:19.19 | secleinteer | or any kde message boxes for that matter |
| 15:19.21 | Sho_ | :) |
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| 15:19.32 | Jucato | Sho_!!!!!!!! *chokes* !!!!!!! |
| 15:19.40 | Sho_ | moin Jucato :) |
| 15:19.45 | Jucato | moin Sho_ |
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| 15:21.14 | Jucato | secleinteer: automatically? no. but there's a Turn off all - Message Windows button |
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| 15:21.32 | secleinteer | Jucato: that doesn't help |
| 15:21.32 | chinasky | i will, anyway i got debian lenny installed |
| 15:21.33 | secleinteer | oh well |
| 15:21.43 | secleinteer | hopefully it will be added as an option in kde4 :P |
| 15:21.54 | Jucato | what doesnt help? |
| 15:22.00 | Jucato | doesn't |
| 15:22.23 | secleinteer | there not being an automatic way to do it |
| 15:22.38 | secleinteer | that would be too much trouble, and i'd probably forget to turn it back on |
| 15:23.03 | Jucato | lazy people :) |
| 15:23.05 | secleinteer | is there a way i could do it with a script? |
| 15:23.32 | secleinteer | turn it off, start kaffeine, and turn it back on when kaffeine was closed? |
| 15:24.09 | secleinteer | Jucato: but is the system used in kde4 even the same? |
| 15:24.16 | Jucato | dunno |
| 15:24.32 | secleinteer | where would i go to put in a feature request? |
| 15:25.00 | Jucato | http://bugs.kde.org |
| 15:25.16 | Jucato | but don't know if there's time for KDE 4.0... maybe 4.1... *shrugs* |
| 15:25.28 | secleinteer | that's fine |
| 15:25.46 | secleinteer | but do they actually pay attention to feature requests? |
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| 15:30.27 | DexterF | I just installed Katapult. Alt+space calls the window menu tho. what to do? |
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| 15:33.35 | Jucato | DexterF: Alt+F2, "dcop katapult Katapult showLauncher" then press Ctrl+C, choose Configure Global Shortcuts and change that |
| 15:33.45 | Jucato | DexterF: or you can change the binding for the Window Menu in Kcontrol |
| 15:35.00 | sabayonlive-3067 | monitor problem... is 1900x1200@60hrtz the setting in LiNuX... can it go over 60hertz refresh rate? my monitor is flickering or shaking... |
| 15:35.32 | Jucato | sabayonlive-3067: you can ask in #sabayon to get better answers |
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| 16:15.22 | DaSkreech | Does anyone know Andreas Ramm? |
| 16:16.07 | annma | hi DaSkreech |
| 16:16.10 | annma | not me |
| 16:16.16 | DaSkreech | Hi annma how are you? |
| 16:16.26 | annma | fine thanks :) |
| 16:16.37 | DaSkreech | Groovy :) |
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| 16:21.33 | perraw | Anyone got kde running with compiz? |
| 16:23.21 | DaSkreech | Anyone here worked with andreas? :) |
| 16:24.29 | annma | DaSkreech: what app doe she maintain? |
| 16:24.31 | OreiA_13 | perraw: I'm |
| 16:24.33 | annma | DaSkreech: what app does he maintain? |
| 16:24.35 | DaSkreech | He? |
| 16:24.43 | DaSkreech | mateedit I think |
| 16:24.43 | perraw | OreiA_13: How did you get it running? |
| 16:24.59 | annma | DaSkreech: that's a kde app? |
| 16:25.10 | DaSkreech | but I wanted to talk about a Kollaboration framework for Koffice/kate/kdevelop |
| 16:25.20 | OreiA_13 | perraw: I followed some tips from nesl247, I found it in the forum.. |
| 16:25.27 | DaSkreech | annma: It's the test bed for a gobby type mode in kate |
| 16:25.35 | DaSkreech | Iknow |
| 16:25.40 | perraw | OreiA_13: Do you have the link? |
| 16:25.41 | DaSkreech | not having a K threw me off as well :) |
| 16:25.43 | OreiA_13 | perraw: I have to create a script at /opt/kde/env to start a dbus session |
| 16:25.53 | perraw | OreiA_13: okay |
| 16:26.07 | annma | DaSkreech: for kate? in kde4? |
| 16:26.14 | OreiA_13 | perraw: I'm trying to get the link (didn't bookmarked =( ) but my connection is too slow.. |
| 16:26.16 | DaSkreech | For kate whenever |
| 16:26.28 | DaSkreech | annma: He blogged recently |
| 16:26.29 | perraw | OreiA_13: I'll try to start dbus first... hold on |
| 16:26.38 | DaSkreech | though mateedit hasn't had a commit for 6 months |
| 16:26.44 | annma | DaSkreech: where? I know well the Kate devel |
| 16:26.54 | annma | where is the blog |
| 16:27.05 | DaSkreech | http://psychobrain.blogspot.com/2007/10/concurrent-collaborative-editing.html |
| 16:27.09 | annma | I love Kate |
| 16:27.12 | OreiA_13 | perraw: And the link is: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=286402 (I think) |
| 16:27.19 | DaSkreech | I love her too :) |
| 16:27.29 | DaSkreech | But she is still fairly small fry |
| 16:27.29 | annma | lol |
| 16:27.35 | annma | no! |
| 16:27.37 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.54 | DaSkreech | I sure hope that this isn't monitored by men |
| 16:28.02 | DaSkreech | dressed in black |
| 16:28.05 | DaSkreech | with shades |
| 16:28.12 | DaSkreech | I'd be in so much trouble :) |
| 16:28.22 | DaSkreech | Me too |
| 16:28.24 | sredna | such as saving shortcuts... |
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| 16:29.30 | DaSkreech | sredna: if the Kollaboration is going to flow they way I see it it will need decibel which still needs some maturing |
| 16:29.37 | sredna | the shortcut editing dialog in kde4 sucks |
| 16:29.45 | DaSkreech | So plenty of time to get the little things that matter |
| 16:29.54 | sredna | it REQUIRES one to use the mouse |
| 16:29.59 | sredna | so much for usability |
| 16:29.59 | DaSkreech | sredna: cross app? or just for kate? |
| 16:30.05 | DaSkreech | Ugh |
| 16:30.13 | DaSkreech | I have to go find a mouse? |
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| 16:31.00 | sredna | if you want to set shortcuts |
| 16:31.05 | sredna | in kde4 |
| 16:31.10 | annma | a friend of mine demonstrating collaborated editing via jabber |
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| 16:31.31 | DaSkreech | See? |
| 16:31.34 | DaSkreech | Decibel :) |
| 16:31.56 | annma | sredna: I like it when you go in coding mode |
| 16:32.11 | annma | you just crush all the bugs |
| 16:32.25 | annma | like a warrior |
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| 16:40.42 | DaSkreech | Xena Warior? or Jason Warior? |
| 16:43.10 | DaSkreech | annma: How's plasma? |
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| 16:50.44 | annma | DaSkreech: plasma is broken ... |
| 16:50.51 | annma | everything is broken in fact |
| 16:51.35 | DaSkreech | all of Beta 3? |
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| 16:53.22 | annma | not all but ... |
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| 16:57.02 | DawnLight[ | i've closed a konsole. can i get back to the full screen program that was running in it? |
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| 16:58.31 | DaSkreech | annma: How come? isn't this bug fix mode? |
| 16:58.48 | annma | not yet DaSkreech |
| 16:58.53 | annma | dinner time |
| 16:59.07 | DaSkreech | kk |
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| 17:01.32 | Vinay-blr | helloo room |
| 17:02.08 | Vinay-blr | while booting i get an error message saying HAL deamon not running |
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| 17:03.08 | Vinay-blr | any help ? |
| 17:03.40 | Vinay-blr | my DVD-writer is not showing up on desktop |
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| 17:03.55 | Vinay-blr | anybody here? |
| 17:03.59 | DawnLight[ | Vinay-blr: what distro? |
| 17:04.04 | Vinay-blr | fedora |
| 17:04.13 | Vinay-blr | fedora 7 |
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| 17:05.11 | DawnLight[ | get a decent one. otherwise, find out why hal isn't working |
| 17:05.30 | Vinay-blr | so u blame the distro? |
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| 17:05.56 | Vinay-blr | btw which distro ur using? |
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| 17:05.59 | DaSkreech | Vinay-blr: KDE doesn't make or package HAL |
| 17:06.07 | Vinay-blr | ohh sorry |
| 17:06.08 | DaSkreech | Vinay-blr: #fedora would be more helpful |
| 17:06.14 | Vinay-blr | ok |
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| 17:06.18 | DawnLight[ | i use debian |
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| 17:06.33 | DawnLight[ | but i don't blame the distro |
| 17:08.00 | Vinay-blr | but u said use a decent one |
| 17:08.09 | Vinay-blr | it is ok |
| 17:08.21 | Vinay-blr | let me check out in fedora |
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| 17:08.38 | Vinay-blr | any way thanks dude |
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| 17:14.06 | DaSkreech | Fedora KDE users suffer? |
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| 17:15.07 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Well they're getting better with their KDE support |
| 17:15.19 | DaSkreech | alright |
| 17:16.30 | DaSkreech | Heehee Akregator needs to get apatch to support youtube |
| 17:18.20 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Fedora used to be separated into two package trees, Core and Extras, with Core being maintained mostly by Red Hat personnell and Extras being the "community distro". Gnome used to be in Core, while KDE was left for Extras. With Fedora 7 they've finally merged Core and Extras (and thus dropped "Core" from the distro name), and there's an official KDE spin / Live CD install of Fedora now. |
| 17:18.38 | DaSkreech | Yeah I know |
| 17:19.11 | DaSkreech | Just saw a blog that ended if you are a KDE User on Fedora yo uare used to such suffering |
| 17:19.55 | DaSkreech | Are there any paid Fedora KDE devs? |
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| 17:20.30 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Yeah, historically Fedora had very poor KDE support due to the divsion between Core and Extras and the consequences that had with regard to relative importance as release milestones and such |
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| 17:20.57 | DaSkreech | right ok |
| 17:21.11 | DaSkreech | I only ever used Fedora Core 2 |
| 17:21.30 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Red Hat has at least one paid person who has taking care of KDE packages on his job description ... I'm not sure if Rex Dieter (who heads up the KDE team at Fedora) is on their payroll by now, though |
| 17:21.31 | zakx | hey, anyone in here using KDE with a german locale and willing to give me some translations of menu entrys? |
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| 17:23.25 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: What's exciting about this resurgence of KDE support in Fedora is that Red Hat's commercial product, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, is based on a Fedora snapshot every couple of years, so KDE should become a bigger part of RH's business again, too, hopefully. According to Rex' Akademy talk already about half of existing RHEL customers use KDE despite it being somewhat inconvenient to install (so it's a conscious choice for them), and that would only get better if |
| 17:23.25 | Sho_ | RHEL were to have strong KDE I guess. |
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| 17:23.51 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Lets say I doubt it :) |
| 17:24.13 | DaSkreech | I know many folks who install RH and install KDE |
| 17:24.31 | DaSkreech | I still don't see them working to make it anywhere near their default |
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| 17:25.26 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: I don't see them defaulting it either, but at least it would be more at the core of the package set again based on the reorganization in Fedora |
| 17:25.43 | DaSkreech | Oh no I didn't mean they would ship KDe by default |
| 17:25.47 | DaSkreech | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.18 | DaSkreech | I mean they wouldn't put in any work to make it a easy and valid equivalent to their default Gnnome Desktop |
| 17:26.56 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Well that's the thing ... the Fedora KDE community is now in a position to make that happen now that KDE isn't left to rot in Extras anymore, since RHEL is based on Fedora :) |
| 17:27.36 | DaSkreech | Fedora doesn't go thruogh the same hardening that RHEL does correct? |
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| 17:28.13 | DaSkreech | I was under the impression that Fedora's role was to run as far head as they possibly could to test all the latest stuff |
| 17:28.52 | DaSkreech | While RH was to cherry pick what they wanted/looked good and slow it down harden it and beatonit to make it enterprise eady |
| 17:29.13 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: As Rex portrayed it in his Akademy talk RHEL is basically rebased to the current state of Fedora at the beginning of a new RHEL cycle, and then goes through the hardening process that turns it into a RHEL release |
| 17:29.27 | DaSkreech | Ah |
| 17:29.35 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: So what happens in Fedora does have significant influence on what ends up in RHEL |
| 17:29.40 | DaSkreech | So ... fedora sets the role and pace? |
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| 17:29.53 | DaSkreech | that's why the Mono/Java kickup happened ? |
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| 17:30.10 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Yup - and Red Hat has a lot of people working on Fedora of course. |
| 17:30.44 | DaSkreech | I know I recall people getting upset because the Redhat board can supercede the Fedora rulings |
| 17:30.49 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Which was also the original purpose of the strong Core/Extras division, I guess: Core was tightly controlled by Red Hat employees, and Extras was open to community developers. Now they've merged both, unified the developer privileges systems, etc |
| 17:31.18 | DaSkreech | That came out of the conflict thing more sharing of resources and vision |
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| 17:32.21 | Sho_ | yeah, there was a lot of pressure on Red Hat to fix those RH/community tensions and do the merge |
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| 17:32.47 | DaSkreech | Anyway strong competition is always good |
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| 17:38.12 | xoritor | Sho_: its not so much that they "merged" as they took core out of being Red Hat controlled |
| 17:38.43 | xoritor | Fedora is now completely maintained and steered by committee |
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| 17:39.10 | xoritor | there happen to be some people still paid by Red Hat to work on it full time, and some part time |
| 17:39.25 | xoritor | but Red Hat does not control it anymore |
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| 17:41.19 | Sho_ | xoritor: yup |
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| 17:42.39 | xoritor | i for one commend them on paying people to develop FOSS even if they do end up gaining profit by it |
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| 17:42.57 | xoritor | indirectly |
| 17:42.59 | xoritor | ;-) |
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| 17:59.02 | thekooki3guy | http://tinyurl.com/8ty |
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| 18:11.30 | karsten | DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket \n kbuildsycoca running.. |
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| 18:12.05 | olegfink | hello |
| 18:12.30 | olegfink | can I use KDE4 kdeprint framework as a html to ps renderer? |
| 18:12.30 | karsten | Error message reported by user running konsole under Linux, probably RHEL3 (trying to get clarification). |
| 18:12.46 | karsten | olegfink: I'd use html2ps myself |
| 18:13.20 | olegfink | karsten: well, it doesn't do really well with all modern (x)html/css wilderness... |
| 18:13.33 | karsten | Correct ;-) |
| 18:13.54 | karsten | olegfink: It's the best I've found, though I haven't really reassessed of late. |
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| 18:14.18 | olegfink | I thought that khtml would do better |
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| 18:14.56 | olegfink | why kprint4 with --no-dialog -j console still wants an X server? |
| 18:16.17 | annma | kprintK??? |
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| 18:16.33 | annma | kprint 4 I mean |
| 18:16.44 | olegfink | er, krpinter from kde4 |
| 18:16.48 | olegfink | *kprinter |
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| 18:16.56 | annma | last I heard KPrinter is dead |
| 18:17.13 | annma | in any case, you don't "use" DKE 4 |
| 18:17.13 | olegfink | what is used for printing then? |
| 18:17.28 | annma | you test it, you debug it but you don't "use" it |
| 18:17.37 | annma | what will be used you mean |
| 18:17.49 | annma | kde4 is barely beta |
| 18:17.58 | olegfink | I'm fully aware of it |
| 18:17.59 | DaSkreech | 3 times over! |
| 18:18.02 | DaSkreech | ;-) |
| 18:18.10 | annma | olegfink: no you are not |
| 18:18.24 | olegfink | And I don't use kde4. In any way. I want to utilize its printing framework. |
| 18:18.29 | annma | if you "use" kde4 and don't follow mailing lists about it then you are not aware it is beta |
| 18:18.39 | annma | there's no printing framework |
| 18:18.49 | annma | Qprinter it is |
| 18:19.18 | annma | "utilize" QPrinter |
| 18:20.39 | olegfink | well, I need the part of printing process which calls KIOPart (right?) to render the uri to be printed |
| 18:20.54 | olegfink | (as I want to use khtml to render pages into raster images) |
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| 18:23.31 | annma | olegfink: just debug it then |
| 18:23.44 | annma | you cannot "want" things from a beta |
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| 18:25.48 | olegfink | annma: erm, before debugging anything I need to know how to use it. Currently I don't have even an idea on how do I use khtml to render pages. |
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| 18:54.25 | tuxick | i did it again, klicked on a link in konq and now my mouse cursor changed to some funky circular thingie without providing me any clue about getting back to normal again |
| 18:54.28 | tuxick | what happened?> |
| 18:54.58 | annma | clicking on a link changed your mouse cursor? |
| 18:55.04 | annma | what URL and what link? |
| 18:55.07 | tuxick | i think |
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| 18:55.18 | tuxick | and i can't tell since my mouse doesn't work anymore :) |
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| 18:55.42 | tuxick | guess it was some javascript thing |
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| 18:56.10 | tuxick | maybe there's a dialog hidden somewhere failing to grab focus |
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| 18:56.28 | annma | next time try to get the URL |
| 18:56.32 | annma | so I can see |
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| 18:56.46 | annma | because I don't know what to tell you |
| 18:57.01 | tuxick | well i wonder what this symbol means |
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| 18:57.11 | tuxick | like the norwegian O :) |
| 18:57.29 | tuxick | hmm i think that has diagonal in the other direction |
| 18:57.59 | olegfink | like "stop" thign? |
| 18:57.59 | tuxick | i also know that site/link normally doesn't cause this |
| 18:58.02 | olegfink | *sign |
| 18:58.11 | tuxick | it's "no parking" here |
| 18:58.22 | tuxick | stop sign is horizontal no? |
| 18:58.46 | olegfink | well, I call it stop because as a mouse cursor it usually says "you can't do it" |
| 18:58.51 | tuxick | i'm sure it has *some* meaning here |
| 18:58.59 | olegfink | for example, when you're trying to drop something in the wrong place |
| 18:59.19 | tuxick | mm, there's also a "page" symbol kinda floating about |
| 18:59.36 | tuxick | aah right, that might be the one indeed |
| 18:59.45 | tuxick | guess it just b0rked |
| 18:59.46 | phoenixz | Hi all, Im running kubuntu on my dell latitude d620 laptop, and ever since the last update, kdesktop, upon starting up, starts taking > 90% CPU and way over 80% of memory.. Is there any reason why it does this, and how do I fix it? right now, the only way I can work is by killing of kdesktop.. |
| 19:00.07 | tuxick | phoenixz: check top to start with |
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| 19:00.46 | annma | phoenixz: ask in #kubuntu |
| 19:01.19 | annma | KDE went from what version to what version phoenixz? |
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| 19:06.39 | tuxick | grr |
| 19:06.59 | tuxick | i really hate having to kil all windows apps and restart :) |
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| 19:09.15 | sredna | tuxick: dont run windows apps :-) |
| 19:09.38 | tuxick | i meant windows/apps :) |
| 19:09.49 | tuxick | alt-w also failed btw |
| 19:09.58 | tuxick | so i just restarted kde |
| 19:10.49 | sredna | i have two ways of getting lockups |
| 19:10.57 | sredna | : writing bad code and swapping |
| 19:11.07 | annma | you never write bad code |
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| 19:28.40 | BlueAidan_work | Sinister: it's highly unlikely the reply-to info in a spam message contains valid info anyway |
| 19:29.24 | Sinister | so just reply to everyone ? |
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| 19:30.36 | DawnLight[ | i've closed a konsole. can i get back to the full screen program that was running in it? |
| 19:31.01 | DawnLight[ | using bash... |
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| 19:31.39 | tuxick | ? |
| 19:31.48 | BlueAidan_work | Sinister: you can setup a filter in kmail to run a program when a sender is in your addressbook |
| 19:31.57 | BlueAidan_work | DawnLight[: were you using screen? |
| 19:32.13 | DawnLight[ | i wish, BlueAidan_work |
| 19:32.23 | BlueAidan_work | then I don't believe so |
| 19:33.06 | DawnLight[ | thanks |
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| 19:57.36 | skata | guys anyone knows if is possible to change the $DISPLAY of a running application |
| 19:57.58 | pinotree | skata: #xorg |
| 19:58.23 | skata | aright something else then.... that has to do with kde |
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| 19:58.37 | skata | i case i find it is it possible to add it on the operation menu |
| 19:59.00 | pinotree | ? |
| 19:59.06 | skata | like To desktop 1 or 2 or whaever |
| 19:59.17 | skata | to have one more that will use to display.... |
| 19:59.19 | skata | got it ? |
| 19:59.53 | pinotree | i don't think its' possible to move an application from a DISPLAY to another one |
| 20:00.01 | pinotree | but, → #xorg |
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| 20:19.06 | litb | pinotree: AFAIK, gtk supports exactly that |
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| 20:20.21 | litb | see gtk-demo and select "Change Display" |
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| 21:05.24 | phoenixz | Hi all, Im running kubuntu on my dell latitude d620 laptop, and ever since the last update, kdesktop, upon starting up, starts taking > 90% CPU and way over 80% of memory.. Is there any reason why it does this, and how do I fix it? right now, the only way I can work is by killing of kdesktop.. |
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| 21:08.08 | annma | phoenixz: what kde version was it before the upgrade and what kde version is it now? |
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| 21:08.42 | rhalff | hi, I;m browsing a pdf file on the net with konqueror, any chance I can save that pdf file to a subversion repository of mine, by using something similair as the save as.. option ? |
| 21:09.01 | phoenixz | annma, erw, good question :) where can I see KDE base version? |
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| 21:09.23 | annma | in any kde app, Help menu, about KDE |
| 21:09.26 | phoenixz | annma, Ive seen this issue before on forums, I know other persons are having similar problems, but I haven't found a definitive answer |
| 21:09.41 | annma | for the same distro? |
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| 21:09.51 | annma | or all having different distros? |
| 21:10.01 | phoenixz | annma, kde 3.5.7 |
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| 21:10.43 | annma | what was it before, when it wworked OK? |
| 21:10.43 | phoenixz | annma, and its quite a serious bug.. Right now Im running wihtout desktop, basically.. |
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| 21:10.43 | phoenixz | annma, actually, Ive had this problem before already |
| 21:10.44 | annma | I have kde 3.5.7 from source and it's OK |
| 21:10.49 | sputnick | MiniMax|away: my script is working, but I ask konsole to be open in the script & the output is very bad : http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4302/konsolebaduf4.png that's happen many times when I make scripts with konsole inside... any clue ? |
| 21:10.50 | annma | before what? |
| 21:10.51 | phoenixz | annma, dunno what I did, but it sudednly was ok again |
| 21:10.58 | phoenixz | annma, that was like.. 1 month ago or so |
| 21:11.12 | annma | most likely a distro packaging bug |
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| 21:11.29 | annma | did the forum reefer to the same distro? |
| 21:11.56 | phoenixz | annma, doubtful, Ive seen this problems in forums on different OS'es already, and it has been there for a longer period already |
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| 21:12.17 | sputnick | hi there. I have a little issue. when I ask konsole to be open in the script & the output is very bad : http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4302/konsolebaduf4.png that's happen many times when I make scripts with konsole inside... any clue ? |
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| 21:12.27 | annma | different distro and different laptops? |
| 21:12.56 | phoenixz | annma, http://lists.kde.org/?l=konq-e&m=101670708204063&w=2 for example |
| 21:13.18 | tuxick | hmm, what was the reason kdewallet fails to grab focus? |
| 21:13.23 | MinceR | sputnick: does it clear up after system load lessens? do you use a compositing manager (kompmgr, for example)? |
| 21:13.24 | tuxick | it even hides behind other windows |
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| 21:13.56 | phoenixz | annma, sorry.. 34363, Bug#34363: kdesktop uses 95+% cpu and huge memory usage at login |
| 21:13.59 | annma | what is taht? a list of bugs? |
| 21:14.09 | annma | where is that bug report? |
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| 21:14.32 | phoenixz | annma, sorry, i was a bit too fast here, let me get a good one |
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| 21:16.18 | sputnick | MinceR: my system doesn't load and I only work with kde, no kompmgr or whatever |
| 21:17.00 | sputnick | ( hope my english's not sucking too much to understand your question ) |
| 21:17.03 | MinceR | kde includes kompmgr, which can be enabled somewhere in the control center/system settings |
| 21:17.16 | sputnick | is it a solution ? |
| 21:17.21 | MinceR | and by system load i mean if your system is heavily loaded |
| 21:17.26 | MinceR | no, it's somewhat buggy |
| 21:17.35 | MinceR | i meant it might be causing your problem |
| 21:17.36 | sputnick | MinceR: no, no it isn't |
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| 21:18.57 | sputnick | MinceR: I need this settings ? http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/kompmgr/xorg.html#xsetup |
| 21:19.09 | LingusMcGunny | Hi. How do i change the default browser in my KDE applications? |
| 21:19.51 | MinceR | sputnick: nope |
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| 21:19.56 | MinceR | sputnick: i'll look it up |
| 21:19.59 | sputnick | MinceR: I already have this settings |
| 21:20.12 | snarkster | my kicker just vanished how do i get it back |
| 21:20.14 | MinceR | sputnick: i don't think that's the cause of the problem |
| 21:20.31 | MinceR | snarkster: dcop kicker default restart |
| 21:20.36 | MinceR | snarkster: if that fails, kicker & |
| 21:21.02 | snarkster | ok it came back now.. |
| 21:21.06 | snarkster | how does that happen |
| 21:21.19 | snarkster | then it vanished again |
| 21:21.32 | MinceR | snarkster: maybe it's on auto-hide? |
| 21:21.42 | snarkster | what is the keyboard shortcut to open the kbutton |
| 21:21.45 | MinceR | snarkster: try moving the mouse pointer to the edges of the screen |
| 21:21.48 | MinceR | snarkster: alt+f1 by default |
| 21:22.03 | snarkster | it comes back with alt-f1 |
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| 21:22.45 | MinceR | sputnick: i can't find it. i've tried it before but i don't know where it is. chances are you have it disabled so it's not the cause of the problem. |
| 21:22.47 | snarkster | i had auto hide on, but it should come back when i put my mouse at bottom of screen right? |
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| 21:22.54 | MinceR | sputnick: but then, i don't know what is. |
| 21:23.05 | MinceR | snarkster: right |
| 21:23.14 | snarkster | hmm that doent work anymore |
| 21:23.18 | snarkster | interesting |
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| 21:23.55 | Anonycat | I remember saving the set of applications that open at login at one point, but it's a long time ago, they include some applications I don't use anymore, and I can't find how to do it again. Where is that option? |
| 21:23.57 | MinceR | snarkster: have you changed the window manager from the default (kwin)? |
| 21:24.30 | MinceR | snarkster: maybe kicker needs to be set up to be always on top |
| 21:24.30 | snarkster | nah, no need to do that |
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| 21:25.24 | snarkster | i dont see a setting to make it alway on top tho |
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| 21:37.28 | ubunturos | are there no docs for Ktorrent? |
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| 21:39.44 | ubunturos | anyone ./ |
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| 21:40.53 | ubunturos | are there no docs for Ktorrent? |
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| 21:42.32 | sredna | ubunturos: if they are not present in your help center, try the website |
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| 21:42.57 | ubunturos | sredna: it is not available at docs.kde.org |
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| 21:43.24 | sredna | ubunturos: the ktorrent website is probably the best place to look |
| 21:43.56 | ubunturos | sredna: Is ktorrent a official part of KDE? |
| 21:44.15 | sredna | ubunturos: if it was, it would have docs i believe |
| 21:44.18 | pannik | hi all. Is anybody from greece? |
| 21:44.27 | ubunturos | sredna: ok. Thanks |
| 21:44.35 | heavenquake | pannik: I guess the greek are |
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| 21:46.45 | pannik | Do anybody know where i can find engage for ubuntu???? |
| 21:47.02 | pannik | I mean angage dock... |
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| 21:47.15 | pannik | *engage |
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| 21:49.00 | pinotree | pannik: ask in #ubuntu please |
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| 21:52.25 | dereine | i have a transparent konsole, but if I open a new session the background is black |
| 21:52.33 | Ardarandir | can s.o. tell me how to give the password when using rdiff-backup thus not being prompted to type i manually? i am using keep as frontend |
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| 21:52.53 | Ardarandir | dereine: dann hast du wohl keine transparente konsole mehr :-D |
| 21:52.58 | Ardarandir | hoi Sho_ |
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| 21:54.02 | root | is it wiser to run revdep-rebuild before you update world or after? |
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| 21:54.34 | Sho_ | root: #gentoo |
| 21:54.36 | Sho_ | hi Ardarandir |
| 21:54.49 | root | oops. lol |
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| 21:55.04 | root | rofl... wrong channel and wrong account |
| 21:55.09 | Russel | hiho |
| 21:55.12 | root | damn logging in as root |
| 21:55.22 | Russel | where are the web shortcuts saved? |
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| 22:04.10 | Sho_ | Russel: ~/.kde/share/services/searchproviders |
| 22:04.18 | Russel | found it seconds ago :) |
| 22:04.20 | Russel | but thanks |
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| 22:10.45 | rrichie | hi, what package do i need to install for kde4 under ubuntu please? |
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| 22:12.54 | ccc | rrichie: there seems to be instructions for installing beta2 on kubuntu.org |
| 22:13.02 | Sho_ | rrichie: #kubuntu |
| 22:16.15 | Anonycat | I remember saving the set of applications that open at login at one point, but it's a long time ago, they include some applications I don't use anymore, and I can't find how to do it again. Where is that option? |
| 22:17.31 | Russel | Anonycat: somewhere in kcontrol is a combox for seassion |
| 22:17.46 | Russel | there use something like "previous saved" |
| 22:17.58 | Russel | and than you have in kmenu a save session button |
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| 22:37.06 | amadeux | ktorrent uses 500MB+ of memory while having about 10 downloads and 1 upload. Isn't there a torrent client that uses way less memory than that? that is insane! I even set it for low memory usage in the settings |
| 22:37.34 | Sho_ | amadeux: What's the "Memory usage" setting at in the config dialog? |
| 22:37.40 | Sho_ | err, you wrote - nvm |
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| 22:39.56 | amadeux | Any ideas? |
| 22:40.29 | amadeux | I have never written a torrent client, but it seems insane... Why would I need all that memory just to keep a bunch of connections open |
| 22:40.44 | gkiagia | amadeux: use rtorrent :) |
| 22:40.52 | amadeux | what is that? |
| 22:41.01 | amadeux | I really love utorrent, but it is not available for linux |
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| 22:41.27 | gkiagia | ncurses bittorent client |
| 22:41.33 | amadeux | okay |
| 22:41.34 | gkiagia | very light and fast |
| 22:41.48 | Mrrrr | you can try deluge too |
| 22:41.50 | amadeux | I should try that |
| 22:41.52 | Sho_ | amadeux: You might want to read http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/analysis.html first in case you might be misinterpreting the numbers you're seeing |
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| 22:42.17 | amadeux | Sho_: I am looking in 'top' at the RES size of the program |
| 22:42.19 | Sho_ | amadeux: Measuring the memory usage of an application on a modern operating system is not straight-forward |
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| 22:42.33 | Sho_ | amadeux: See: "RES - resident memory size, i.e. the memory that the process uses in RAM. While this value has some practical value it is not that useful because it includes all memory this process possibly shares with other processes (e.g. KDE applications share large KDE libraries and the size of these libraries is includes in RES of every such application). Swap is not included which additionally decreases the usefulness of this value." |
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| 22:42.36 | amadeux | RES is not the totalt usage, there is also swap etc |
| 22:43.02 | amadeux | yeahm but ktorrent is the only KDE app I Run |
| 22:43.34 | amadeux | 500 MB might not be 100% accurate, but something is definitely happening when I fire up ktorrent, memorywise |
| 22:43.55 | amadeux | machine comes to almost a halt because of swapping etc |
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| 22:50.17 | fedora_ | word |
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| 22:50.38 | mrec | gawd, gmail should enable autosaving mails when writing them with konqueror... |
| 22:50.45 | mrec | it just crashed again and the whole mail is lost |
| 22:51.07 | fedora_ | which begs the question... is it really gmail that's the problem? |
| 22:51.11 | pinotree | google should be a bit more friendly with konqueror... |
| 22:51.21 | mrec | of course that backtrace is useless since there are no symbols in the library |
| 22:51.24 | mrec | libraries* |
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| 22:52.17 | mrec | beside that it's easy to crash konqueror by embedding videos |
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| 22:52.35 | pinotree | i guess you have kaffeine < 0.8.3 |
| 22:52.54 | mrec | those plugins should run as an extra process instead of running as a thread |
| 22:53.01 | mrec | I have kaffeine 0.8.3 |
| 22:53.45 | pinotree | mrec: plugins can NOT run as a separate thread, as on X11 every gui stuff must happen in the main thread of the application |
| 22:54.09 | hisham | hello.. how could I mount NTFS partition. and how could I make this mount available within the ¨computer¨ icon? |
| 22:54.20 | mrec | pinotree: you can use xreparent window... |
| 22:54.22 | pinotree | hisham: ##linux please |
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| 22:54.49 | hisham | fedora core 7 |
| 22:54.52 | mrec | pinotree: that way I used to embedd mplayer in mozilla in early days |
| 22:54.56 | pinotree | mrec: that won't solve the problem above :) |
| 22:55.09 | pinotree | hisham: then #fedora ? |
| 22:55.27 | hisham | u mean the version of kernel? |
| 22:55.42 | pinotree | ??? |
| 22:55.53 | pinotree | hisham: please ask in the #fedora channel |
| 22:56.22 | hisham | thank you.. I´m very new with Linux |
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| 23:09.52 | DevideZero | hello , i have mandriva with kde 3.5 and windows xp , there is any way to install kde on windows xp ? |
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| 23:13.08 | exile | let me google that |
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| 23:13.46 | exile | yup you can but it will probably run slow as molasses in comparison to linux |
| 23:14.04 | FreshPrince | alo |
| 23:14.11 | exile | i think it has to emulate a posix environment |
| 23:14.30 | exile | kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net |
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| 23:16.12 | DevideZero | :( its doesnt sound good , i want to install it just for the option to download wallpapers for the desktop from this kde wallpapers server , can i download pictures from there with a browser ? |
| 23:16.56 | exile | probably |
| 23:17.24 | exile | hold on, looks like there might be a native windows port |
| 23:17.29 | DevideZero | exile , what is the ite name ? or any adrr ? |
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| 23:18.58 | pinotree | DevideZero: www.kde-look.org? |
| 23:20.00 | pinotree | exile: unless you a) have a licensed Qt3 version for windows or b) feel brave enough with cygwin and "old" Qt3 and KDE3, forget KDE3.x on windows |
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| 23:20.32 | DevideZero | pinotree , this is it THANKS |
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| 23:21.57 | exile | oh, cool beans. now i know |
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| 23:41.40 | mohamed_ | hello all, how can i adjust kaffeine to produce output through DVB FF card ? |
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