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| 06:36.56 | the_padawan | hi all, how can i use svn to download the latest source of yakuake? |
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| 06:42.29 | JamesB192 | the_padawan: I'm not sure you can. I'm not finding any references to a Subversion repository for it. |
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| 06:45.20 | JamesB192 | the man and/or info pages for your SVN client should tell you what to do once you find the location of the repository. |
| 06:45.45 | the_padawan | i found this: http://websvn.kde.org/tags/yakuake/2.8-beta1/ |
| 06:46.04 | the_padawan | JamesB192, is that the correct repository? |
| 06:47.34 | Shirakawasuna | can anyone confirm this? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=145210 It's been around for a while |
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| 06:47.53 | Shirakawasuna | essentially, amarok tries to upload old (deleted) podcasts to your media device. |
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| 06:55.46 | JamesB192 | the_padawan: It looks like it, I'd probably just grab the tarball of the website though, unless you are going to hack it. |
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| 06:57.33 | RivaeAerya | how do i make it so that Katapult does web short cuts? (so you can search google etc etc) |
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| 06:58.36 | chealer | Shirakawasuna: there's a #amarok |
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| 07:00.54 | Shirakawasuna | ah, thanks |
| 07:01.04 | Shirakawasuna | I keep forgetting that amarok isn't officially part of KDE (or is it now?) |
| 07:01.12 | Shirakawasuna | perhaps it's in that extra section |
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| 07:06.25 | hero | it should be! |
| 07:08.18 | JamesB192 | Ahh, it makes KDE want 1/3 of the ram the amount vista wants. |
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| 07:20.48 | nikolavp | can someone tell me a nice dock that is a superkaramba theme ? |
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| 07:59.44 | kaba | the K-menu-icon somehow expanded by itself and looks pixelish now. Where can I change it? |
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| 08:01.51 | Bug2000 | Still haven't figured why KDE is broken. |
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| 08:03.17 | nikolavp | ? |
| 08:03.28 | nikolavp | Bug2000, what is broken ? |
| 08:03.57 | Bug2000 | The KDE icons and graphics and stuff. |
| 08:04.25 | Bug2000 | I even tried to reinstall KDE after deleting /opt/kde, I have no idea how to fix it. |
| 08:05.03 | nikolavp | Bug2000, can u be more specific about icons, graphics |
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| 08:05.08 | nikolavp | did u tryed another icon theme ? |
| 08:05.36 | Bug2000 | nikolavp: Indeed. I have tried. Also, previews in the changes, doesn't work. |
| 08:05.44 | Bug2000 | I'll show you the image I made back then, second. |
| 08:06.49 | Bug2000 | http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5977/screenshotconqueryourderx5.png -- Konqi from Gnome. |
| 08:06.56 | Bug2000 | It happens just as well if I run KDE by itself. |
| 08:07.02 | Bug2000 | The loader screen is just black. |
| 08:08.07 | nikolavp | Bug2000, so u started KDE and u got a blank, black screen ? |
| 08:08.27 | Bug2000 | I get the background, and instead of the box with the what is being loaded now, I get a black weird box. |
| 08:09.05 | nikolavp | once i had a problem like this one, but it was because of mysql problem ;) |
| 08:09.11 | nikolavp | i really cant help here. |
| 08:09.23 | nikolavp | i think that u are also messing up with both gnome and kde which is most of the time not good |
| 08:09.30 | nikolavp | try starting kde with another user |
| 08:09.38 | Bug2000 | Already did. |
| 08:09.44 | Bug2000 | I even tried to run stuff as root. |
| 08:09.51 | Bug2000 | Still the same issue |
| 08:10.23 | Bug2000 | thanks anyway. |
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| 08:47.35 | GionnyBoss | I have problems using google services (gmail in particular) with Konqueror. It says that it is not a fully supported browser and it displays a web page with less functions. I was thinking that maybe I can set Konqueror to send to website that it is another browser (for example Firefox). Does this sounds a good idea? And if yes, how and where can I set Konqueror to behave like this? |
| 08:48.17 | benJIman | GionnyBoss: tools -> change browser identification -> other -> firefox 1.0.7 |
| 08:48.23 | benJIman | Then it should work in ajax mode. |
| 08:48.37 | GionnyBoss | benJIman, thanks |
| 08:49.34 | GionnyBoss | benJIman, would it be a good idea to set it as Safari, instead? I was reading on google that Safari is a lot similar with KHTML |
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| 08:51.08 | picca | anyone got problems with getting the power icon to appear in kde 3.5.7 - it worked in all the previous versions, but in 3.5.7 i just can't get it to appear |
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| 08:55.51 | GionnyBoss | benJIman, it doesn't work in gmail with Firefox identification |
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| 08:56.07 | nikolavp | benJIman, just get rid of gmail :P |
| 08:56.35 | nikolavp | i have a strange problem with kontact, can someone help |
| 08:56.41 | nikolavp | i get this when i start it in the konsole |
| 08:56.43 | nikolavp | kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action. |
| 08:56.44 | nikolavp | *** KMail got signal 11 (Crashing) |
| 08:56.55 | nikolavp | and then ofc kontact crashes too |
| 08:57.01 | nikolavp | the strange is that kmail works nicely :) |
| 08:57.35 | GionnyBoss | nikolavp, problem was mine... and I don't want to get rid of gmail! I like it a lot |
| 08:58.08 | nikolavp | well what does it have, that cant be find in kmail for example :? |
| 08:58.15 | ccc | GionnyBoss: which kde version? |
| 08:58.17 | nikolavp | people should start using pop3 protocol :P |
| 08:58.51 | GionnyBoss | ccc, 3.5.7 |
| 08:59.22 | GionnyBoss | nikolavp, it is not very confortable when you use more than 1 computer... |
| 09:00.00 | GionnyBoss | nikolavp, always used pop3 and my email client until I started using a laptop too |
| 09:00.06 | nikolavp | well there is always sync ;) |
| 09:00.18 | GionnyBoss | nikolavp, yeah I know that... but is it worth? :P |
| 09:00.53 | ccc | GionnyBoss: odd. it works here |
| 09:00.53 | GionnyBoss | when you have almost 3 GB of space in gmail... you don't delete anything, you just go to the website and see your mail there and send from there |
| 09:01.01 | GionnyBoss | ccc, with Konqueror? |
| 09:01.04 | GionnyBoss | yes but not fully supported |
| 09:01.15 | ccc | yup, yes. |
| 09:01.18 | GionnyBoss | look, there is a warning |
| 09:01.29 | ccc | no |
| 09:01.37 | GionnyBoss | and you can only use the HTML version |
| 09:01.52 | GionnyBoss | without javascript and advanced features... |
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| 09:02.09 | GionnyBoss | ccc, don't you have a warning with Konqueror? |
| 09:02.55 | benJIman | GionnyBoss: works fine for me |
| 09:03.04 | benJIman | GionnyBoss: What problem are you having? |
| 09:03.19 | ccc | GionnyBoss: i don't. i'm identifying as fx 1.0.7 and i get the full version. |
| 09:03.21 | GionnyBoss | benJIman, it works with Firefox identification for you? |
| 09:03.28 | benJIman | GionnyBoss: Yes. |
| 09:03.38 | benJIman | GionnyBoss: you'll need to go back to gmail.com after changing identification. |
| 09:03.43 | benJIman | Refreshing isn't enough. |
| 09:03.50 | GionnyBoss | benJIman, I see just page content... |
| 09:03.55 | GionnyBoss | no menus, nothing |
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| 09:04.05 | benJIman | GionnyBoss: Works for me. |
| 09:04.08 | GionnyBoss | just a list of my emails, all written in the same row :( |
| 09:04.16 | GionnyBoss | benJIman, let me try again... |
| 09:04.24 | benJIman | GionnyBoss: Try identifing as firefox 1.5 instead |
| 09:04.28 | GionnyBoss | ok |
| 09:04.46 | GionnyBoss | benJIman, I set just for mail.google.com to use this identification... |
| 09:05.53 | GionnyBoss | benJIman, nothing to do |
| 09:06.21 | benJIman | GionnyBoss: Wird, works fine here, you must be doing something differently. |
| 09:06.28 | benJIman | *Wierd |
| 09:06.35 | GionnyBoss | yes, probably |
| 09:07.11 | GionnyBoss | ok |
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| 09:07.25 | GionnyBoss | just a fast thing: you get the warning that you are seeing it in HTML mode? |
| 09:07.34 | GionnyBoss | or you can switch to standard mode without problems, benJIman ? |
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| 09:07.56 | benJIman | GionnyBoss: it works fine in standard mode. |
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| 09:07.58 | GionnyBoss | I still get the warning that I am seeing it in HTML mode, and if I switch in standard mode, I can't see it |
| 09:08.01 | ccc | GionnyBoss: clear stuff. like your cookies/cache/whatever. and set that ID for mail.google.com |
| 09:08.03 | GionnyBoss | oh ok... I try to clean |
| 09:08.05 | GionnyBoss | yes |
| 09:08.09 | GionnyBoss | I was thinking this too |
| 09:08.17 | GionnyBoss | now I try |
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| 09:08.36 | [Pol] | http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8640/img4892dr4.jpg |
| 09:08.37 | [Pol] | ;-) |
| 09:09.33 | hero | uh. no! |
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| 09:16.21 | GionnyBoss | ok now it works... with Mozilla 1.7.3 identification instead of Firefox |
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| 09:18.02 | daxroc | Hi all |
| 09:18.16 | GionnyBoss | uhm, it does not work anymore... looks like there are problems if I try to enter my gmail account from iGoogle |
| 09:18.52 | daxroc | Is the laptop tools/utility's installed by default |
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| 09:29.03 | lostchild | w00t. building xine-lib. |
| 09:29.17 | lostchild | with any luck i'll have amarok on os x within a day. |
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| 09:34.10 | daxroc | Where do I get the battery, power utility's , haven't used kde in a long time |
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| 09:34.53 | abujafar | [slackware12/kde3.5.7] hello, does someone have expirienced problems in shutdown kde/system? process "artsshell -q terminate" doesn't terminate and kde shutdown keeps waiting... |
| 09:34.58 | daxroc | using gentoo and kde 3.5 |
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| 09:37.13 | daxroc | is the question difficult ? |
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| 09:38.24 | picca | i can't get klaptop to show an icon, but everything seems to work fine from the command line - this seems to have happened since upgrading to 3.5.7 - anyone experienced this? |
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| 09:38.58 | tbscope | daxroc: if you mean for installing, check the gentoo kde channel |
| 09:39.50 | daxroc | Thanks picca |
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| 09:41.46 | daxroc | tbscope: thanks |
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| 10:19.27 | zimon | hi there ... has anybody had problems with kmail not sending mails? |
| 10:20.12 | zimon | (it's kmail 1.9.7) |
| 10:21.56 | mardi | zimon: never a prob here |
| 10:22.25 | zimon | hm .. my mails stay in the outbox, even if i try to send them manually |
| 10:23.16 | mardi | odd |
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| 10:24.33 | bram85 | zimon: and you're sure it's a KMail problem? as in: other mail apps work fine? |
| 10:24.50 | zimon | i don't have another mail app |
| 10:25.21 | zimon | actually, on my kubuntu box it works. i switched to fedora on my laptop, and there it won't send |
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| 10:26.38 | zimon | i don't need a mta or something, do i? don't think i ever had one. |
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| 10:27.44 | zimon | i'd be happy if it showed me an error message, but it doesn't. |
| 10:28.55 | chelovekpaket | zimon: Did you tried to watch with tcpdump/ethereal? Does it really tries to send something? |
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| 10:33.16 | zimon | i tried tcpdump right now ... nothing. i can see the requests for new mails, but no sending |
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| 10:39.29 | chelovekpaket | http://cache.googlevideo.com/get_video\?video_id=5blbv4WFriM |
| 10:39.54 | thiago | what's that? |
| 10:40.02 | chelovekpaket | ooop |
| 10:40.03 | chelovekpaket | oppps |
| 10:40.08 | chelovekpaket | wrong window |
| 10:40.37 | chelovekpaket | zimon: any rules in iptables? |
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| 10:44.57 | Valent | hello |
| 10:45.26 | Valent | can you please tell me if these is some live cd allready out with KDE4 for a test run? |
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| 10:45.52 | chelovekpaket | Valent: there are several |
| 10:46.00 | Valent | can you suggest one? |
| 10:46.12 | Valent | or should I just google it? |
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| 10:46.29 | chelovekpaket | http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/ |
| 10:46.35 | tbscope | Valent: http://dot.kde.org/1183569837/ |
| 10:46.37 | Andrew`` | hey all |
| 10:46.38 | chelovekpaket | first result from google :) |
| 10:46.48 | Phenax | I use rxvt-unicode and I cannot get it to properly display in KDevelop's 'Konsole' button even though I've set it to use |
| 10:46.53 | Valent | heh, I should have guessed it |
| 10:46.56 | Phenax | Ruby Shell doesn't work either.. |
| 10:46.57 | Valent | sorry for the trouble |
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| 10:47.51 | Andrew`` | I copied some MP3's to a cd the other day and went to play it in my car CD player.... the only thing that surprised me was that the order in which they were copied to the CD was not the order in whcih they were played on CD... and NO I didnt have Random set on .. anyone help me in this problem? |
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| 10:48.29 | Valent | your car player probably plays aplhabetically |
| 10:48.38 | Valent | not in the order you saved them |
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| 10:49.28 | Andrew`` | well the files are labelled 01-dream-theater....then 02-dream-theater... so that doesnt compute |
| 10:49.53 | Valent | Andrew``: in order to tracks be player in the order you wan them to be add numbers to track name. so if track one was "madonna - some song blah" you should rename it to "01 madonna - some song blah" |
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| 10:50.12 | Valent | then you have some strange cd player :) |
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| 10:50.48 | Valent | or maybe your cd player it some smart one... so he reads some mp3 tags and then decides by some logic how to play them... |
| 10:50.59 | Andrew`` | who knows |
| 10:51.00 | Valent | read your car cd manual.. |
| 10:51.03 | Valent | jup |
| 10:51.04 | Andrew`` | :-( |
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| 10:58.18 | zimon | sorry ... had to eat a fish before it got cold |
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| 11:01.01 | zimon | chelovepaket: i don't know about iptables ... it fails during boot, maybe my kernel-config is missing something |
| 11:02.50 | zimon | how would i know if it's active at all? |
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| 11:03.26 | chelovekpaket | zimon: did you tried send mail via kmail on your distros in one place? |
| 11:03.54 | chelovekpaket | Sometimes you need to use ISP's mail relay |
| 11:04.31 | zimon | what do you mean? to the same account? yes. |
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| 11:05.22 | zimon | i configured kmail on my laptop just as it is configured on the pc ... |
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| 11:06.02 | chelovekpaket | zimon: same vesion of kmail on both? |
| 11:06.30 | zimon | yes |
| 11:07.04 | chelovekpaket | Then try to copy ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc from one PC to other |
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| 11:13.06 | zimon | i don't know .. there's different pop-filters and stuff ... |
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| 11:13.29 | chelovekpaket | make a backup. it does not works anyway. |
| 11:15.00 | zimon | same thing ... it won't send |
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| 11:26.57 | boguh | how can i get a list of the installed kio slaves and how to acces them? |
| 11:27.06 | zimon | hmpf .. how would i deactivate iptables manually? it's not permanently deactivated when i use the fedora-config-gui .. |
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| 11:27.43 | chelovekpaket | zimon: iptables -t filter -L |
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| 11:28.02 | chelovekpaket | zimon: you will get any rules that defined. |
| 11:28.43 | zimon | iptables v1.3.7: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
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| 11:29.16 | chelovekpaket | zimon: It seems that you don't have iptables support in your kernell |
| 11:29.16 | zimon | yes |
| 11:29.29 | zimon | i don't .. |
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| 11:30.41 | zimon | so can i assume that iptables isn't active at all and won't disturb kmail? |
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| 11:30.47 | chelovekpaket | yes |
| 11:31.49 | zimon | so ... wtf? maybe i should contact the fedora people |
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| 11:45.05 | harmental | how can play a bin/cue file without burning it? |
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| 11:55.53 | thermodynamics | mount the Cue file |
| 11:55.58 | thermodynamics | Harmental |
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| 12:04.29 | zimon | chelovekpaket: sort of solved it. changed the name of the outbox from online.de to Online.de and it worked. changed it back to online.de and it still works. that's ... strange |
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| 12:05.57 | gemidjy | where is amarok's splash resisting? |
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| 12:06.30 | gemidjy | living* |
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| 12:07.44 | zimon | gemidjy: (maybe depends on your distro) it's /usr/share/apps/amarok/images/splash_screen.jpg for fedora |
| 12:08.31 | gemidjy | zimon: thanks |
| 12:09.49 | Mirrakor | for suse it's usually /opt/kde3/share/apps/amarok/see/above |
| 12:10.34 | gemidjy | yes, in Arch it is /opt/kde too |
| 12:12.29 | straw | aka $KDEDIRS/share/apps/amarok/ |
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| 13:07.04 | Przemcio78 | does anyone here use dolphin file manager? |
| 13:10.53 | annma | Przemcio78: I do on KDE 4 |
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| 13:11.49 | Przemcio78 | i wonder if it's possible to use dolphin to manage trash:/ on kde3 |
| 13:12.21 | annma | it should |
| 13:12.34 | annma | but I cannot say for sure |
| 13:13.12 | lisa_ | anybody know how install Wine |
| 13:13.21 | Przemcio78 | annma: how do you like kde 4? i've heard it's faster than kde 3? |
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| 13:13.33 | Przemcio78 | lisa_: depends on your distro |
| 13:13.40 | annma | lisa_: ask your distro channel |
| 13:13.41 | lisa_ | fedora 7 |
| 13:13.48 | annma | ask in #fedora please |
| 13:14.06 | annma | Przemcio78: well I develop for KDE4 so for sure I like it a lot |
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| 13:17.49 | ma_b | Does anyone use the rip function of Konqueror? |
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| 13:26.45 | GionnyBoss | annma, which project for KDE4 are you in? (just for curiosity) |
| 13:27.08 | annma | KDE-Edu, KAppTemplate and a plasmoid |
| 13:27.24 | annma | that's my current work |
| 13:27.26 | GionnyBoss | annma, cool :) |
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| 13:28.00 | GionnyBoss | I submitted a bug report yesterday, but for Konqueror (khtml)... I don't know if will be fixed in KDE4 |
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| 13:29.08 | GionnyBoss | it is a weird thing... if you do a tag <img src="pic.jpg" alt="text">, if there's not the picture, the alt text is seen as a picture, and you even have the menu with right click to Save image as ..., but obviously it doesn't work |
| 13:29.09 | GionnyBoss | lol |
| 13:29.26 | annma | GionnyBoss: did you join a test case? |
| 13:30.12 | GionnyBoss | annma, I just went to the bug report that there is in Konqueror... a page opened, I subscribed and I posted the bug |
| 13:30.22 | GionnyBoss | annma, was this the right thing to do? |
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| 13:30.52 | GionnyBoss | annma, anyways, a guy called Tommy added a commentary on my bug report, writing "Weird indeed"... lol! |
| 13:31.01 | annma | you need to add a test case |
| 13:31.08 | annma | html code showing the bug |
| 13:31.08 | GionnyBoss | annma, how can I do that, please? |
| 13:31.12 | GionnyBoss | ah! |
| 13:31.18 | annma | the minimal html code that will show the bug |
| 13:31.29 | annma | minimal is the key word here |
| 13:31.49 | GionnyBoss | annma, ok I will do it right now. How can I do it? I will see a "add test case" link if I go to my bug page? |
| 13:32.09 | annma | you see an "attach" link |
| 13:32.32 | GionnyBoss | annma, ok thanks. Now I try it and if I'm not sure I will ask you |
| 13:32.32 | annma | and you attach your test case, explain what it does |
| 13:34.25 | GionnyBoss | annma, ok I got it. Now I write a small html code that shows the error. Thank you |
| 13:34.35 | annma | :) thanks |
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| 13:34.43 | annma | it'll be easier that way to fix the bug |
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| 13:34.54 | madpinger | hehe, true |
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| 13:43.20 | GionnyBoss | annma, oh my god, I can't use konqueror anymore! I did a strange thing |
| 13:43.56 | annma | try a new user |
| 13:44.23 | GionnyBoss | annma, I associated .html files with gVIM to edit them when I right click on them in Konqueror file browser. And now, using Konqueror as web browser, it does not open htmls anymore, it asks if I want to open them with gVIM |
| 13:44.29 | GionnyBoss | annma, what can I do to solve this? |
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| 13:44.53 | Przemcio78 | associate them with konqueror |
| 13:44.55 | GionnyBoss | annma, maybe associating with Konqueror the hml files? |
| 13:45.04 | GionnyBoss | ok I try that... but this is weird, too |
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| 13:45.49 | GionnyBoss | ok, I guess that it is the "correct" behaviour, because Konqueror is the same for local files or web sites, but... |
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| 13:47.51 | GionnyBoss | yes it works |
| 13:48.29 | GionnyBoss | ok I just added gVIM in the applications list to open html files, so I can click on Open with gVIM in Konqueror and I don't mess up things |
| 13:48.34 | GionnyBoss | lol |
| 13:49.01 | GionnyBoss | for this problem, I wrong and I sent the test case twice... I hope this is not a problem |
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| 14:04.52 | crazy_bus | I've found the imagemagic conversion options in konquerors right-click menu very helpful. But I've got a bunch of png's with which I want to make the resolution smaller. Is there anyway to put this into the menu with a script or something similar? |
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| 14:14.23 | stoned | hey |
| 14:14.34 | stoned | i need some service menus |
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| 14:17.50 | x_link | Hi stoned! |
| 14:17.56 | x_link | stoned: Have a minute in PM? |
| 14:18.06 | stoned | yeh sure |
| 14:19.50 | stoned | well? |
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| 15:03.23 | stoned | hey dudes |
| 15:03.29 | stoned | I was reading about plasma and stuff |
| 15:03.45 | stoned | so if one has ati/fglrx they can't see all the eye candy of plasma? |
| 15:04.03 | stoned | cuz it says you have to have composite, which the ati drivers don't ahve |
| 15:04.10 | stoned | so ati users shit out of luck? |
| 15:04.38 | straw | for now, yeah |
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| 15:05.07 | straw | that may change by ~October 23rd |
| 15:05.14 | stoned | how |
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| 15:05.33 | pinotree | wizardry |
| 15:05.45 | Sho_ | stoned: The ATI drivers do support COMPOSITE, just not in concert with GL |
| 15:05.51 | stoned | sim sala bim bamba sala du sala dim! |
| 15:06.00 | Sho_ | stoned: I.e. it'll work, just not very speedy |
| 15:06.01 | straw | obviously ATi's drivers will provide support for that feature |
| 15:06.11 | stoned | straw: they will? |
| 15:06.12 | stoned | when? |
| 15:06.26 | straw | yes and eventually |
| 15:06.28 | stoned | ati is actually going to make good linux drivers is what you are saying? |
| 15:06.37 | stoned | wow |
| 15:06.56 | Sho_ | I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you |
| 15:07.01 | stoned | yeh |
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| 15:15.22 | nondysjunction | Heya! |
| 15:15.45 | tuxick | another site konqueror doesn't render until last of a lot of images is downloaded |
| 15:16.08 | tuxick | or is it a configuration thing somewhere? |
| 15:16.26 | Sho_ | KHTML doesn't seem to be very render-and-reflow friendly during loads, indeed |
| 15:16.49 | annma | not sure if SlowerFox is faster though |
| 15:18.02 | Sho_ | annma: Gecko might well be the slower engine, but it's certainly more aggressive with regard to when it will do a first render (at the cost of more reflows as more data comes in), improving perceived speed on many pages |
| 15:18.32 | Sho_ | I wonder how much work the WebKit people have done in that area |
| 15:18.57 | annma | however I am not sure if still FX is faster than konq |
| 15:19.28 | annma | last time a user complained (wasn't it already you tuxick?) the test was not proving |
| 15:19.32 | nondysjunction | I've a question regarding the layout of KDE userdata storage. I am trying to acertain the location of where an application, lets say konqueror, stores information regarding whether or not it should show the menubar on load. Anyone know where this might be? |
| 15:19.37 | Daverocks | konqueror seems to be faster for me on pages without images |
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| 15:20.16 | annma | in any xase there's no perfect browser |
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| 15:21.12 | tuxick | annma: i see it happen on many sites |
| 15:21.33 | tuxick | last i noticed was on bugs.archlinux.org |
| 15:21.40 | annma | yes but is it that much slower? last time you complained it was not |
| 15:21.41 | tuxick | i could keep a list if you like :) |
| 15:21.49 | annma | bugs.kde.org |
| 15:21.50 | Sho_ | Incremental layouting and reflow are among the hardest things to get right in an HTML engine, and the Gecko developers have likely thrown more manpower at the problem than KHTML has so far |
| 15:22.04 | annma | no need to repeat bugs complains here |
| 15:22.14 | annma | last time we were several people testing tuxick |
| 15:22.17 | tuxick | Sho_: yes, i understand the problem behind it :) |
| 15:22.22 | annma | and it was not concluding |
| 15:22.39 | annma | faster, slower is difficult to measure |
| 15:22.51 | stoned | hi annma |
| 15:23.01 | stoned | how is it going where you are? |
| 15:23.12 | stoned | with the aKademy stuff |
| 15:23.24 | annma | I'm not at aKademy naymore |
| 15:23.34 | annma | aKademy is going to an end unfortunately |
| 15:23.43 | stoned | yeh |
| 15:23.53 | stoned | I felt the same way when I went to the debian etch release party |
| 15:24.02 | tuxick | Sho_: i suppose you can't have it all and this was a choice made then? |
| 15:24.04 | annma | ;) |
| 15:24.04 | stoned | I had to leave and i wanted to stay longer |
| 15:24.07 | Sho_ | annma: In this case it's pretty easy to measure with an ordinary stop watch: KHTML can sometimes take 15-20 seconds before it does a first render of an image-heavy site, while Gecko will do it after a few seconds, on the same line |
| 15:24.25 | stoned | yeh same with ie |
| 15:24.36 | stoned | when ie displays a page its usually almost complete, but takes a while |
| 15:24.40 | Sho_ | tuxick: Well, premature optimization is the root of all evil ... if you have limited manpower on your HTML engine, you will prioritize rendering correctness over clever and aggressive reflow ;) |
| 15:24.42 | stoned | firefox loads as you go, makes i seem faster |
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| 15:24.56 | tuxick | i can imagine |
| 15:25.04 | stoned | but to some people, the same page SEEMS to load faster in firefox and for some in IE etc. |
| 15:25.09 | stoned | khtml is usually slow for me |
| 15:25.26 | stoned | I dunno which I like |
| 15:25.28 | tuxick | i don't care about total load time, it's just the staring at a blank page for many seconds that bugs me |
| 15:25.38 | annma | just don't stare at it |
| 15:25.39 | stoned | do I want to see the whole page at once, or see it load as it goes like gecko |
| 15:25.41 | annma | code! |
| 15:25.41 | Sho_ | tuxick: But I bet that Apple has done quite a bit of work on this in WebKit |
| 15:25.41 | tuxick | :) |
| 15:25.45 | annma | do something else |
| 15:25.49 | annma | !!! |
| 15:25.54 | stoned | and just do something else |
| 15:25.56 | stoned | exactly! |
| 15:25.59 | tuxick | annma: i have this attention spam issue :) |
| 15:26.11 | annma | I mean, you have time to waste |
| 15:26.15 | annma | booh |
| 15:26.23 | stoned | what |
| 15:26.24 | Sho_ | tuxick: And even the Gecko people are unhappy with their current implementation and heavily rewrote/refactored incremental relayouting for Firefox 3.0: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Gecko:Reflow_Refactoring (interesting read in places) |
| 15:26.29 | straw | Safari on Windows seems quite fast here |
| 15:26.30 | annma | get into khtml code instead tuxick |
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| 15:26.47 | stoned | I like konqueror now that flash works in google video |
| 15:26.54 | stoned | adblock is ok |
| 15:27.03 | stoned | still no extentions to customize it with but thats ok |
| 15:27.04 | tuxick | i run into many many bits of software that need improving, only wish i could help fix them all |
| 15:27.10 | stoned | at least the ui is consistent with kde |
| 15:27.13 | annma | start with one tuxick |
| 15:27.20 | stoned | firefox should be forked to qt/kde |
| 15:27.21 | annma | and don't complain all the time |
| 15:27.31 | stoned | so at least the gui isn't so horrendous |
| 15:27.33 | annma | at least on free software you are allowed to fix it |
| 15:27.39 | annma | so go fix it |
| 15:27.46 | tuxick | annma: i do sometimes |
| 15:27.53 | annma | good, in KDE? |
| 15:28.02 | apokryphos | the software for the dot really sucks sometimes :/ |
| 15:28.04 | stoned | how much code change would it require to get firefox to use qt instead of that gtk crap |
| 15:28.08 | stoned | a lot i immagine |
| 15:28.09 | Sho_ | stoned: It was attempted multiple times |
| 15:28.13 | tuxick | last i did on kde was a patch for kview i never submitted |
| 15:28.14 | stoned | Sho_: but? |
| 15:28.36 | annma | never submitted? how dumb is that tuxick? |
| 15:28.37 | tuxick | stoned: ever seen gtk? i'm sure it'll mean a total rewrite |
| 15:28.41 | Sho_ | apokryphos: My biggest unhappyness wrt/ the dot is that it has zero support for tracking sets of articles; I can't hand someone a link to all the "The Road to KDE 4" articles to read, for example |
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| 15:29.23 | Sho_ | stoned: It's a mammoth task that's hard to accomplish in the first place, and then needs ever-ongoing work to keep up with Firefox trunk |
| 15:29.50 | tuxick | i kinda got used to FF on kde now |
| 15:29.55 | tuxick | it's not as bad as opera |
| 15:30.03 | tuxick | that really looks totally alien |
| 15:30.30 | Daverocks | opera just needs some getting used to |
| 15:30.31 | apokryphos | Sho_: it doesn't use standard rss 2.0 for feeds (only rdf), doesn't allow any use of html in comments, it shows your email address publically, etc etc :( |
| 15:30.44 | apokryphos | pretty lame |
| 15:30.47 | tuxick | oww, that reminds me, i'm using FF because of this weird issue with multiple tabs having sessions to same site |
| 15:30.48 | Daverocks | plus opera uses qt :P |
| 15:30.55 | Sho_ | Besides, Opera is a closed source application and thus simply unacceptable as a web browser |
| 15:31.02 | tuxick | that's one thing i should look into |
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| 15:31.13 | stoned | yeh |
| 15:31.17 | stoned | and opera isn't even that good |
| 15:31.25 | stoned | i dunno why you have to pay for a fuckin web browser |
| 15:31.27 | tuxick | hmm it seems to work rather well |
| 15:31.33 | Daverocks | stoned: you don't? |
| 15:31.35 | tuxick | but i'm fine without it :) |
| 15:31.38 | stoned | damn greedy gluttenous bastards |
| 15:31.50 | Daverocks | stoned: opera is free in price? |
| 15:31.53 | Sho_ | stoned: It's a free (as in beer) download for a while now |
| 15:32.04 | tuxick | no more spambanners then? |
| 15:32.16 | Sho_ | nope. |
| 15:32.21 | Daverocks | tuxick: nope, they got rid of those |
| 15:32.37 | Daverocks | actually comes close to looking like a web browser now :P |
| 15:33.02 | tuxick | oh that's good news |
| 15:33.30 | Daverocks | i just started up opera and noticed that it didn't respect my subpixel font rendering i had enabled in freetype2 |
| 15:34.06 | nondysjunction | I've a question regarding the layout of KDE userdata storage. I am trying to acertain the location of where an application, lets say konqueror, stores information regarding whether or not it should show the menubar on load. Anyone know where this might be? |
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| 15:34.30 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc |
| 15:35.07 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: All config files are in that dir; all other app data in ~/.kde/share/apps/<appname> |
| 15:35.08 | tuxick | any interface on managing kwallet entries? |
| 15:35.24 | Sho_ | tuxick: KWalletManager (KMenu -> Settings -> Wallet Manager Tool) |
| 15:35.32 | nondysjunction | Sho_: Me <3 you long time. |
| 15:35.34 | Sho_ | *Wallet Management Tool |
| 15:35.54 | annma | wow look at the 3D plasmoids on Zach's blog |
| 15:36.00 | stoned | show me |
| 15:36.02 | annma | www.planetkde.org |
| 15:36.06 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: The specific key is 'MenuBar' in the '[KonqMainWindow]' section of konquerorrc |
| 15:36.10 | stoned | I been wanting to see some kde4 previes |
| 15:36.12 | stoned | ican't find any |
| 15:36.31 | Sho_ | There are many, many (many!) previews in the articles on http://dot.kde.org/ |
| 15:36.36 | Sho_ | Even videos |
| 15:36.52 | Sho_ | The Commit Digests, Troy Unrau's The Road to KDE 4 and The Pillars of KDE 4 article series, and so on |
| 15:37.26 | annma | YouTube is full of kde4 previews |
| 15:37.32 | stoned | you tube |
| 15:37.34 | stoned | oh yeh |
| 15:37.37 | stoned | i forgot all about that |
| 15:37.45 | annma | ;) |
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| 15:38.05 | bEe_ | hi |
| 15:38.08 | bEe_ | please help |
| 15:38.19 | Sho_ | With what, bEe_ |
| 15:38.22 | bEe_ | i have error in kdelibs: |
| 15:38.27 | bEe_ | libkdefx.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN7QObject5eventEP6QEvent |
| 15:38.33 | bEe_ | while building (gentoo) |
| 15:38.39 | Sho_ | go ti #gentoo-kde |
| 15:38.41 | Sho_ | *to |
| 15:38.55 | bEe_ | thank you |
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| 15:38.56 | annma | while building? |
| 15:39.06 | annma | mismatch versions |
| 15:39.07 | bEe_ | annma while emerge |
| 15:39.19 | bEe_ | versions of what? |
| 15:39.32 | annma | qt? |
| 15:39.38 | annma | no idea what gentoo does |
| 15:39.39 | bEe_ | 3.3.8-r2 |
| 15:39.43 | bEe_ | qt |
| 15:39.50 | annma | ask in #gentoo-kde |
| 15:39.53 | bEe_ | ok |
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| 15:41.18 | nondysjunction | Sho_: I have looked into this file, I see many sections that named, '[KonqMainWindow (something else here)]', but no section named just, '[KonqMainWindow]' I figured it had yet to be created, so I added the section and the parameter named, yet there was no effect. Thoughts? |
| 15:42.18 | tuxick | Sho_: ah, it doesn't seem to come with kde on gentoo, thanks :) |
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| 15:42.59 | tuxick | i mean it's separate application |
| 15:43.16 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: Konqueror won't reload its config file at runtime, and just closing the last window might not actually shut down Konqueror if it's set to keep an instance preloaded |
| 15:43.55 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: As for why no such section existed: KDE's configuration handling technology only stores keys that deviate from the global defaults in the local config file, and no redundant info |
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| 15:51.25 | tzanger | is there a way ot update the konqueror service menus 'live' -- I have a bunch of windows open and I'd prefer not to have ot close everything down to get access to the new service menu |
| 15:52.20 | nondysjunction | Sho_: Heya. I've come to notice that, every time I add that section/parameter, and reload Konqueror, the section/parameter are removed! Is this user (me) error, of some form? |
| 15:54.17 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: The correct format would be "MenuBar=Disabled", it seems |
| 15:54.37 | nondysjunction | Sho_: Yes, that is precisely the format I am using. |
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| 15:55.21 | nondysjunction | Sho_: I am identifying the section with [KonqMainWindow], directly above that. |
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| 15:55.26 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: It's possible that you've stumpled upon a bug of Konqueror being too dumb to preserve the setting it creates itself when using the menu action to hide the menubar |
| 15:55.34 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: It might interfere with the profile system |
| 15:56.00 | PhilRod | Sho_, nondysjunction: I think you need to save the profile to get the menubar to hide |
| 15:56.24 | nondysjunction | Sho_: perhaps in a profile somewhere, it is told about menubar show/hide properties as well? |
| 15:56.32 | Sho_ | PhilRod: Which is kind of hard to do with a hidden menubar ;-) |
| 15:56.47 | PhilRod | aahhh, I remember this coming up before |
| 15:56.50 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: Possibly - the profiles are in ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles |
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| 15:57.26 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: In any case, if you hide the menu bar in Konqueror, it will create the konquerorrc entries I told you about, but apparently it doesn't follow them next time around |
| 15:57.39 | PhilRod | there might be something about this in the faq. I remember annma came up with a way to do it |
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| 15:58.28 | kdeuser^ | Hey |
| 15:58.49 | kdeuser^ | anyone knows the name of the kde window decoration in pclinuxos ? |
| 15:59.12 | kdeuser^ | the ones that look like a windows xp window decoration |
| 16:00.21 | PhilRod | Sho_: ah, it is in the faq, but it just says what you said |
| 16:00.24 | PhilRod | ( http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/filemanager.html#id2556263 ) |
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| 16:00.57 | kdeuser^ | PhilRod: Have you added my kpdf sidebar doc ? |
| 16:01.26 | wishie | the storage media applet no longer detects when i insert a CD/DVD into my PC.. any idea how i can solve this ? and yes, its set to show both mounted/unmounted cds and dvds |
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| 16:02.19 | tzanger | how does one refresh the servicemenus in konqueror? |
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| 16:02.45 | PhilRod | kdeuser^: argh, no. Sorry - it dropped off my radar completely with RL and stuff. I'll commit it to trunk today, although kpdf is being replaced with okular in kde 4, so I don't know how relevant it will be, I'm afraid |
| 16:03.03 | nondysjunction | Sho_: might any specific kde services need to be running for this change to the rc file to take place? |
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| 16:03.31 | PhilRod | but if the okular GUI is like the kpdf one, the content might still be useful for kde 4 |
| 16:03.40 | Hekos | hi, i have a question |
| 16:03.43 | jhutchins_lt | I can't get kweather to honor the system-wide units setting (imperial) |
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| 16:04.24 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: no |
| 16:04.25 | PhilRod | Hekos: go ahead and ask. That's what we're here for :-) |
| 16:04.40 | PhilRod | tzanger: try kbuildsycoca, although I don't know if that does servicemenus too |
| 16:04.41 | Hekos | ktorrent, says a file is 87% complete, it downloaded 700mb the file size is 700 mb, the chunk bar isnt full |
| 16:04.57 | wishie | Hekos: doesnt mean the torrents done.. |
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| 16:05.07 | wishie | it might have had to redownload some pieces |
| 16:05.24 | tzanger | PhilRod: urgh, didn't seem to |
| 16:05.24 | pinotree | PhilRod: yeah, that's why i started its doc from the kpdf one :) |
| 16:05.29 | Sho_ | nondysjunction: It's a bug in Konq, most likely |
| 16:05.38 | tzanger | trying to get this konq youtube save to disk servicemenu to show up |
| 16:05.46 | Hekos | so the downloaded parts have those broaken pieces counted with it ? |
| 16:06.05 | wishie | Hekos: in some clients, yes, not too sure about ktorrent, havent used it in a while. |
| 16:06.05 | Hekos | - parts |
| 16:06.18 | Hekos | the movie seems to be working |
| 16:06.34 | Hekos | 1 hour left |
| 16:07.02 | wishie | well, go watch it, enjoy. if its missing segments, then you know the problem. if its not, file a bug i guess |
| 16:07.10 | Hekos | ok |
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| 16:08.09 | Hekos | the strange bit is that the download box is stuck at 666,7 MB for a while now, heh |
| 16:08.13 | Overburn | guyz... can you help me with one problem please? |
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| 16:08.46 | PhilRod | Overburn: ask away |
| 16:08.49 | wishie | id say the "downloaded" part includes ALL data, including bad pieces then |
| 16:08.51 | jhutchins_lt | works on my other system... |
| 16:09.01 | wishie | Overburn: ask away |
| 16:09.03 | Overburn | i'm on fedora core 7.. just installed it.. and i want to install the nvidia drivers... and it says that i have no precompiled kernel interface... how the hell do i get a kernel interface? im kinda new to linux |
| 16:09.13 | pinotree | Overburn: #fedora please |
| 16:09.17 | Overburn | oh |
| 16:09.18 | Hekos | share ratio is at .69, uploaded = 520MB |
| 16:09.22 | Overburn | thanx srry :) |
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| 16:10.41 | Hekos | so if the download includes broaken pieces, it shuld go over the size value |
| 16:10.53 | jhutchins_lt | Overburn: It's different for each distro. |
| 16:11.21 | Hekos | since it doesnt, i guess its a bug =/ |
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| 16:16.00 | erov | Hekos: the download is stuck for some reason... but the file will be placed on your computer padded out.. that means it will be it's full size even if its full of "blank data".. the actual downloaded content is in a cache that flushes out to the padded destination file from time to time (someone correct me if im wrong) |
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| 16:16.53 | wishie | erov: sounds right to me.. |
| 16:17.08 | wishie | i think BT clients pretty much always allocate the space before the download starts. |
| 16:17.14 | erov | i think thats why he thinks it's fully downloaded |
| 16:17.18 | Hekos | its still downloading at 30KB/s 90% done 50min left |
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| 16:17.47 | wishie | Hekos: ahh, you were getting the "downloaded size" from the file size on the disk ? |
| 16:17.53 | Hekos | no |
| 16:17.59 | Hekos | from the interface |
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| 16:18.08 | erov | hrm.. what version of ktorrent |
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| 16:18.16 | wishie | thats odd then |
| 16:18.30 | Hekos | 2.0.3 |
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| 16:19.16 | erov | not going to outright blame it.. but thats an older version.. |
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| 16:19.26 | erov | i had similiar problems some time ago |
| 16:19.30 | erov | dont remember what version though |
| 16:19.35 | Hekos | oh |
| 16:19.36 | RivaeAerya | ~features4 |
| 16:19.45 | erov | im on 2.2 now |
| 16:19.46 | Hekos | hum |
| 16:19.47 | RivaeAerya | ~kde4 |
| 16:19.48 | apt | The next major revision of KDE -- KDE 4.0 -- will be released when it's ready, not before. However, the current target date is October 23rd, 2007 (see http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule). |
| 16:19.56 | RivaeAerya | any news on kde 4? |
| 16:19.56 | erov | add the backports repository to get it |
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| 16:20.37 | Hekos | well, this is a mear technicality |
| 16:20.49 | tenco | i am trying to compile alpha2 using http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4_Alpha_1#Kubuntu with the mentioned .bashrc, but "cm" isn't defined |
| 16:20.49 | Hekos | il wait for the next mayor release and then do a clean install |
| 16:21.07 | tenco | what is "cm .."? |
| 16:21.29 | oGALAXYo | probably an alias to cmake |
| 16:21.39 | oGALAXYo | cm == cmake.. but thats a guess from my side. |
| 16:22.02 | tenco | cmake .. doesnt find qt-copy, uses system qt-devel |
| 16:22.28 | tenco | ah |
| 16:22.44 | tenco | this _can't_ work |
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| 16:22.52 | tenco | i am using /usr/bin/cmake |
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| 16:27.06 | tenco | *qmake |
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| 16:27.18 | erov | k |
| 16:27.32 | oGALAXYo | qmake is for qt-copy |
| 16:27.37 | oGALAXYo | cmake is the build stuff for kde4 |
| 16:27.45 | oGALAXYo | qmake != cmake |
| 16:27.50 | oGALAXYo | cmake != gnu make |
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| 16:29.18 | RivaeAerya | where can i find tips and tricks for kde? |
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| 16:29.57 | PhilRod | RivaeAerya: wiki.kde.org, docs.kde.org (faq), ktip |
| 16:30.16 | RivaeAerya | PhilRod: thanks |
| 16:30.27 | RivaeAerya | especially for the wiki and the docs address |
| 16:32.10 | tenco | oGALAXYo: i know. but cmake uses qmake, afaics, to build kdelibs. and qmake of qt-copy wasn't in my PATH -> cmake failed to compile kdelibs |
| 16:32.24 | tenco | *configure |
| 16:32.55 | tenco | because my systems qmake was too old |
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| 16:36.38 | annma | tenco: what kde version? |
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| 16:38.29 | LameBMX | hey im having broken deps pixman >= 0.9.2 and emerge -s pixman give me libpixman 0.1.6 |
| 16:38.37 | LameBMX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:38.55 | pinotree | ??? |
| 16:38.56 | oGALAXYo | LameBMX: kde doesnt require pixman iirc.. |
| 16:39.02 | PhilRod | LameBMX: ask in #yourdistro |
| 16:39.04 | pinotree | LameBMX: please ask in your distro channel |
| 16:39.22 | tenco | annma: i am currently building a test installation of alpha 2 |
| 16:39.46 | annma | hmmm |
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| 16:43.33 | LameBMX | sorry no action in that chan .. thought id try here |
| 16:43.55 | oGALAXYo | isnt gentoo full of leet people ? |
| 16:44.02 | oGALAXYo | all knowing one thing better than the other ? |
| 16:44.14 | annma | ? |
| 16:44.35 | oGALAXYo | annma: his channel is gentoo becaus ehe mentioned emerge.. |
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| 16:44.44 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: so? |
| 16:44.52 | oGALAXYo | so what ? |
| 16:45.11 | annma | no need to say they are leet, whatever that means |
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| 16:50.45 | tenco | is there a way to assign shortcuts the gnome-way in kde? |
| 16:51.05 | oGALAXYo | what shortcuts ? |
| 16:51.25 | tenco | application shortcuts |
| 16:51.39 | PhilRod | what's "the gnome way" of setting shortcuts? |
| 16:51.54 | oGALAXYo | i ask that myself. |
| 16:52.19 | tenco | hovering over a menu-entry in an application then pressing the desired shortcut -> shortcut gets assigned to that menu-entry |
| 16:52.22 | oGALAXYo | i am quite sure there is no such thing... it would be overkill for ordinary users :) |
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| 16:53.34 | tenco | like: you hover over file -> save, then press ctrl-s. now file -> save is reachable via ctrl-s |
| 16:53.49 | oGALAXYo | that doesnt work here. |
| 16:53.53 | tenco | damn |
| 16:53.55 | tenco | :) |
| 16:54.04 | oGALAXYo | i mean, that doesnt work here under my gnome. |
| 16:54.21 | tenco | oGALAXYo: you have to activate it first |
| 16:54.29 | tenco | oGALAXYo: it's disabled by default |
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| 16:55.50 | tenco | oGALAXYo: gnome-control-center -> menus & toolbars -> editable menu shortcut keys |
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| 16:57.18 | tenco | imho that's a lot more convenient than to search an illogical sorted list of available shortcut actions |
| 16:57.35 | tenco | aka sorted alphabetically |
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| 16:58.21 | PhilRod | tenco: works if every possible shortcutable action is in the menus |
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| 16:59.02 | PhilRod | I can imagine some potential problems though - in your example, I change the "save" shortcut in, say, konqueror, and it's applied to *all* kde apps, which might be a bit surprising |
| 16:59.02 | tenco | PhilRod: yes. there's an extra app for setting global shortcuts |
| 16:59.31 | tenco | PhilRod: why? i think that's the way it should work |
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| 16:59.46 | pinotree | i think not |
| 16:59.51 | tenco | PhilRod: "save" should be the same shortcut across apps |
| 16:59.54 | PhilRod | it's not clear from the GUI which changes would be app-specific and which would be global |
| 17:00.11 | pinotree | better let the user make changes in an *explicit* way |
| 17:00.29 | pinotree | what happens if you press a keycombo by chance? |
| 17:00.35 | PhilRod | I can see value in the idea, certainly, but it's by no means a panacea |
| 17:00.45 | pinotree | how do you revert the change? |
| 17:01.50 | tenco | hovering over menu-item -> pressing backspace |
| 17:02.01 | tenco | clears the menu-item of any shortcuts |
| 17:02.02 | pinotree | ugh |
| 17:02.12 | pinotree | awful |
| 17:02.32 | tenco | why? |
| 17:02.45 | pinotree | because it is :) |
| 17:02.49 | tenco | :P |
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| 17:39.19 | oGALAXYo | heh wow... this elive movie rocks. |
| 17:39.43 | wert613 | ? |
| 17:40.12 | oGALAXYo | enlightenment. |
| 17:40.23 | wert613 | yeh |
| 17:40.26 | wert613 | ive used it |
| 17:40.35 | wert613 | supposed to be fast |
| 17:40.41 | wert613 | but for me it lagged big time |
| 17:40.55 | oGALAXYo | http://www.elivecd.org/ |
| 17:40.57 | oGALAXYo | heh |
| 17:41.10 | oGALAXYo | the effects simply kick ass.. |
| 17:41.57 | wert613 | yah |
| 17:41.59 | wert613 | looks nice |
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| 17:42.16 | oGALAXYo | ive leeched the dvd quality movie there.. |
| 17:42.17 | oGALAXYo | rocks.. |
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| 17:42.21 | Freddy2 | hi |
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| 17:43.08 | wert613 | hmm i wasnt expecting an os based on enlightenment |
| 17:43.13 | wert613 | heya freddy |
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| 17:43.23 | Freddy2 | is there something related with tabs support for kdf in newer versions? (or something that prevents you to have several entries at taskbar for all opened pdf's) |
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| 17:43.51 | Freddy2 | i've been looking for at the bugs/wishlist site, but haven't been able to find anything |
| 17:43.59 | wert613 | hmm |
| 17:44.24 | wert613 | i wouldnt know bout that sorry =\ |
| 17:44.32 | nikolavp | can someone point me to a guide - how to build amarok2 |
| 17:44.32 | Freddy2 | np |
| 17:44.39 | nikolavp | or just point me at the sources in the svn :D |
| 17:44.51 | nikolavp | i cant find them in google (shame) |
| 17:45.04 | Freddy2 | isn't trunk pointing to amarok2? |
| 17:45.43 | wert613 | hmm yeh elive looks very nice maybe ill try it out |
| 17:45.46 | Freddy2 | anyway, better try at #amarok |
| 17:45.48 | nikolavp | oh i will check that, hope u are right |
| 17:45.54 | pinotree | nikolavp: trunk/extragear/multimedia/amarok |
| 17:46.05 | pinotree | Freddy2: talking about kpdf? |
| 17:46.07 | nikolavp | pinotree, thanks. |
| 17:46.20 | Freddy2 | pinotree: yes |
| 17:46.34 | pinotree | no, kpdf supports only a single document per application |
| 17:46.41 | pinotree | and okular does that as well, atm |
| 17:46.54 | wert613 | its a good idea thouhg |
| 17:46.56 | wert613 | though |
| 17:46.58 | wert613 | to have tabs |
| 17:47.00 | RivaeAerya | Does anybody know a good Dock for KDE? |
| 17:47.01 | wert613 | like kate |
| 17:47.14 | wert613 | i had one a minute ago one sec |
| 17:47.20 | wert613 | lemme check what its called |
| 17:47.23 | RivaeAerya | ok |
| 17:47.25 | pinotree | kate technically has no tabs :) |
| 17:47.33 | wert613 | well |
| 17:47.35 | Freddy2 | tabs or simply different windows inside one program copy, like acroread |
| 17:47.37 | wert613 | it has sessions |
| 17:47.42 | kdepepo | you can open pdf in konqueror, and with tabs, too :) |
| 17:47.57 | pinotree | wert613: a session and a tab are different concepts :) |
| 17:48.12 | wert613 | well |
| 17:48.14 | wert613 | ok |
| 17:48.19 | wert613 | gedit has tabs |
| 17:48.26 | wert613 | RivaeAerya: |
| 17:48.33 | wert613 | ksmoothdock |
| 17:48.41 | RivaeAerya | ksmoothdock? |
| 17:48.42 | pinotree | but does gedit have sessions? |
| 17:48.43 | wert613 | yeh |
| 17:48.45 | wert613 | its ok |
| 17:48.55 | wert613 | its got some nice features |
| 17:49.00 | wert613 | gedit? |
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| 17:49.02 | wert613 | well |
| 17:49.05 | wert613 | hmmm |
| 17:49.12 | wert613 | i dunno its been a while since ive used it |
| 17:49.16 | wert613 | XD |
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| 17:49.49 | tenco | i am stuck on building kdepimlibs |
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| 17:50.00 | Jampiter | Hello |
| 17:50.09 | tenco | cmake says i have to set some var called Boost_INCLUDE_DIR |
| 17:50.10 | Jampiter | I have a quick K DE question: |
| 17:50.26 | wert613 | =D |
| 17:50.30 | tenco | but i don't know what this var is all about (what's "Boost"?) |
| 17:50.37 | Jampiter | Is there a way to make the K menu button have text instead of an image? :) |
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| 17:50.46 | wert613 | hmmm |
| 17:50.53 | wert613 | you could make an image with just text |
| 17:51.06 | pinotree | Jampiter: with the normal k-button, no |
| 17:51.11 | Jampiter | How do I change the image..? |
| 17:51.14 | Jampiter | Ok |
| 17:51.17 | pinotree | you could try kbfx |
| 17:51.17 | wert613 | in the icon scheme |
| 17:51.21 | wert613 | yeh |
| 17:51.30 | wert613 | knbfx doesnt work for me for some reason |
| 17:51.32 | osh_ | Is it possible to connect kde to exchange in some way? How much functionality would I get? |
| 17:51.34 | wert613 | kbfx* |
| 17:51.44 | pinotree | osh_: ? |
| 17:51.51 | Jampiter | I'll look it up :) |
| 17:52.02 | wert613 | good idea =D |
| 17:52.04 | tenco | forget it. installed libboost-dev |
| 17:53.51 | Jampiter | Got kbfx :D |
| 17:54.06 | Freddy2 | Jampiter: by changing the correct image at /op/kde3/share/icons/yourTheme (or wherever you have it) it should work (i think..) |
| 17:54.11 | osh_ | pinotree: I found something (a program) that offered to connect to kolab, SLOX (suse openexchange), Groupwise and something more. Ms-Exchange were notably missing. I'm curious on how to connect kde to exchange much in the same way. |
| 17:54.19 | Jampiter | Thanks Freddy2 :) |
| 17:54.28 | pinotree | osh_: the program is kontact |
| 17:54.47 | pinotree | and i don't think it supports exchange, yet |
| 17:54.48 | osh_ | It's called KDE-Groupprogramguide or similar. I have a localized version so I'm not exactly sure. |
| 17:55.43 | Jampiter | Er.. what's the kicker bar? |
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| 17:56.27 | wert613 | its the start bar |
| 17:56.36 | wert613 | that the k menu button is on |
| 17:56.50 | RivaeAerya | one question: why do people use docks? |
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| 17:58.09 | Freddy2 | why not? |
| 17:58.10 | wert613 | to be like mac osx |
| 17:58.19 | wert613 | thats pretty much the only reason |
| 17:58.32 | wert613 | unless you like the functionality of the mac dock |
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| 17:59.02 | wert613 | my theme looks almost exactly like a mac but i got rid of the dock |
| 17:59.05 | nondysjunction | exit |
| 17:59.10 | nondysjunction | err <_< |
| 17:59.12 | wert613 | because if im not on a mac its not worth it |
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| 18:00.02 | wert613 | another dock you might like is the avant-window-navagator |
| 18:00.03 | RivaeAerya | I've never used a mac. |
| 18:00.15 | wert613 | i like macs |
| 18:00.20 | RivaeAerya | i like the look of macs |
| 18:00.26 | wert613 | theyrw fast reliable and pretty |
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| 18:00.57 | RivaeAerya | are macs really that good? |
| 18:01.35 | wert613 | =D |
| 18:01.37 | wert613 | welll |
| 18:01.38 | apokryphos | and non-free/open, unfortunately |
| 18:01.40 | wert613 | it depends |
| 18:01.42 | wert613 | yeh |
| 18:01.43 | osh_ | Hmm, this looks interesting http://www.omesc.com/node/1 |
| 18:01.50 | wert613 | thats pretty much the only problem |
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| 18:02.18 | wert613 | mac osx is like a really advanced linux, the kernel is actually based on freeBSD |
| 18:03.01 | RivaeAerya | however, i don't have the money for a Mac. |
| 18:03.22 | wert613 | =D |
| 18:03.24 | wert613 | ive got a mac |
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| 18:03.34 | wert613 | linux is great thouhg =D |
| 18:03.47 | RivaeAerya | which one do you use most?> |
| 18:03.52 | wert613 | windows is out of the question |
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| 18:04.05 | wert613 | i use linux most becuase my mac isnt in my home |
| 18:04.11 | RivaeAerya | ok |
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| 18:09.03 | Jampiter | Err.. how do I apply changes in kbfx? |
| 18:09.16 | wert613 | lol |
| 18:09.24 | wert613 | the window needs to be resized probably |
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| 18:09.33 | wert613 | there is an apply buton at the bottom |
| 18:10.13 | wert613 | erg im getting really tired of this mac osx theme anyone know of any good themes? |
| 18:10.29 | Jampiter | I can't see an apply button |
| 18:10.33 | wert613 | hmmm?? |
| 18:10.55 | wert613 | you stretched the window? |
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| 18:11.31 | Sho_ | wert613: It's actually a Mach 3 kernel with code derived from BSD to implement the UNIX process model, POSIX and the VFS, but significantly modified |
| 18:11.38 | wert613 | darwin |
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| 18:11.45 | Jampiter | It's probably underneath the bottom panel.. I'll check.. |
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| 18:11.57 | Jampiter | Yay! :D |
| 18:12.00 | wert613 | =D |
| 18:12.18 | Sho_ | (and the Linux kernel is significantly better in almost every way) |
| 18:12.22 | wert613 | =D |
| 18:12.27 | wert613 | as long as it works =D |
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| 18:14.33 | firsm | Does anyone know the command for the "KDE End Session" window? |
| 18:14.46 | wert613 | ? |
| 18:14.55 | wert613 | can you access iot from a menu? |
| 18:14.57 | wert613 | it |
| 18:15.10 | firsm | I can, but I want to bind it to one of my hotkeys |
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| 18:15.19 | wert613 | ok then |
| 18:15.22 | wert613 | go to it in a menu |
| 18:15.25 | wert613 | right click |
| 18:15.31 | wert613 | and put in a run dialog |
| 18:15.38 | wert613 | i think that should show it to you |
| 18:16.16 | firsm | mmh, right click doesn't work for "Log Out..." |
| 18:16.24 | wert613 | ahh |
| 18:16.25 | wert613 | hmm |
| 18:16.32 | Freddy2 | ctrl + alt + supr ? |
| 18:16.34 | Freddy2 | xD |
| 18:16.38 | wert613 | lol |
| 18:16.39 | Sho_ | firsm: dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout 1 2 2 |
| 18:16.46 | wert613 | =D |
| 18:17.07 | firsm | Sho_: Thanks man, works just fine :) |
| 18:17.15 | Sho_ | np |
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| 18:17.50 | wert613 | anyone know any good window decorator and style themes? |
| 18:18.10 | Sho_ | I like Domino as widget style and Knifty as window deco |
| 18:18.17 | wert613 | hmm |
| 18:18.19 | Freddy2 | i use baghira |
| 18:18.21 | wert613 | ill check out nifty |
| 18:18.23 | Sho_ | example: http://www.eikehein.com/konq-domino.png |
| 18:18.27 | wert613 | io was using baghira |
| 18:18.28 | annma | plastik |
| 18:18.33 | wert613 | got kinda boring |
| 18:18.41 | Sho_ | Baghira is a piece of junk. |
| 18:18.50 | wert613 | =D |
| 18:19.07 | Kyral | Crystal and QtCurve here |
| 18:20.27 | firsm | and another somewhat related question: Can I change the command which is executed by the "End Session" dialog when I click on "Turn Off Computer" and "Restart Computer"? |
| 18:20.28 | wert613 | k |
| 18:20.59 | pinotree | firsm: don't think so |
| 18:21.09 | wert613 | ok guys |
| 18:21.15 | wert613 | im having trouble with kbfx |
| 18:21.29 | wert613 | when i try to add the applet to the panel it crashes |
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| 18:21.44 | firsm | pinotree: mmh okay, thanks. |
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| 18:22.17 | Sho_ | firsm: (WARNING: DO NOT RUN THIS COMMAND without thinking) dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 2 2 should shut down without requiring confirmation |
| 18:22.40 | Freddy2 | xD |
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| 18:22.55 | wert613 | hmm ok |
| 18:23.47 | firsm | Sho_: No, I want to change the command that dialog calls when I hit "Turn Off" (I just got suspend2 to work and now I want it to execute hibernate -r0/-r1 instead of shutdown -h now or whatever it is set to now) |
| 18:24.12 | wert613 | anyone help me with kbfx? |
| 18:24.27 | Sho_ | firsm: If you use KDM, KControl -> System Administration -> Login Manager -> Shutdown |
| 18:24.34 | Sho_ | firsm: You can change it there. |
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| 18:24.58 | firsm | Sho_: excellent, thanks again. |
| 18:25.12 | wert613 | ok and a question about kdm |
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| 18:25.25 | wert613 | i installed it over gdm |
| 18:25.30 | wert613 | which caused problems |
| 18:25.40 | wert613 | so do i have to remove gdm for it to work? |
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| 18:29.21 | wert613 | anyone? |
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| 18:30.29 | Sho_ | wert613: If the two conflict on your system, it's most likely a distribution setup issue |
| 18:30.31 | Sho_ | wert613: Best ask your distro folks how to switch between them in their system |
| 18:30.39 | wert613 | k thx =D |
| 18:31.16 | wert613 | ok so where can i get qtcurve |
| 18:31.19 | wert613 | ? |
| 18:31.26 | wert613 | kdelook? |
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| 18:32.11 | pepo | kde4 styles are going to be nice |
| 18:32.23 | wert613 | ill bet |
| 18:33.01 | Sho_ | pepo: Yeah. Qt4s graphics abilities are much-improved. |
| 18:33.31 | wert613 | im thinking of trying the alpha |
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| 18:37.32 | Biagi | http://biagi.miniville.fr/ind |
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| 18:42.16 | wert613 | compiing qt curve |
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| 18:46.36 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! |
| 18:46.41 | wert613 | heya |
| 18:47.16 | wert613 | wassup? |
| 18:47.20 | H2OyJaBoN | when i try to execute k3b starts k3b initializing page and eclipse =S... i don't understand why...(?) some advice |
| 18:47.50 | annma | H2OyJaBoN: run k3b from konsole and look at the output |
| 18:48.16 | H2OyJaBoN | annma, i tried and nothing from output |
| 18:48.24 | annma | distro? |
| 18:48.39 | H2OyJaBoN | debian etch 4.0 |
| 18:48.52 | annma | didyou install everything for kb |
| 18:49.24 | annma | can you run k3bsetup from konsole?* |
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| 18:49.45 | H2OyJaBoN | annma, no, i dont |
| 18:50.05 | annma | H2OyJaBoN: install everythign for k3b please |
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| 18:50.16 | annma | ask in #debian if you don't know |
| 18:50.22 | H2OyJaBoN | okey wait me a minut! |
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| 18:56.17 | wert613 | im having trouble with kbfx |
| 18:56.35 | wert613 | is there a way to launch the applet from a terminal so i can see what the problem is? |
| 18:57.46 | wert613 | anyone? |
| 18:58.52 | wert613 | ? |
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| 19:00.35 | H2OyJaBoN | annma, i haven't found the packages containing "k3bsetup" ... |
| 19:00.56 | H2OyJaBoN | do you know which is it? |
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| 19:06.54 | annma | did you ask in #debian |
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| 19:08.10 | fedora_ | hi |
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| 19:10.45 | wert613 | anyone know how to launch the kbfx applet from konsole? |
| 19:10.52 | wert613 | so i can debug it |
| 19:11.15 | wert613 | because mine crashes every time i add it |
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| 19:12.50 | annma | what module is it in? |
| 19:12.54 | annma | I don't have it |
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| 19:13.08 | wert613 | ? |
| 19:13.11 | wert613 | module? |
| 19:14.17 | annma | kde is divided in modules: kdelibs, kdebase, kdenetwork,... |
| 19:14.29 | wert613 | right |
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| 19:14.35 | wert613 | one sec |
| 19:14.58 | H2OyJaBoN | annma, i'm doing that... |
| 19:16.00 | wert613 | kdevelop |
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| 19:17.33 | annma | wert613: I don't think so, I have kdevelop sources |
| 19:17.40 | wert613 | hmmm |
| 19:17.45 | wert613 | kdevelop3? |
| 19:17.49 | annma | lol |
| 19:17.57 | annma | what distro? |
| 19:18.01 | wert613 | ubuntu |
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| 19:19.35 | annma | it's a third app |
| 19:19.39 | wert613 | yeh |
| 19:19.40 | annma | so I don't have it |
| 19:19.47 | wert613 | its not in the repos |
| 19:19.54 | wert613 | not connected to kde |
| 19:20.06 | wert613 | except that its a kde app =D |
| 19:20.16 | annma | so maybe you want to issue a bug report to Ubuntu or to kbfx |
| 19:20.24 | wert613 | k =D |
| 19:20.28 | wert613 | thx anyhow =D |
| 19:20.38 | annma | If I had it I could have seen if it wirkes |
| 19:20.40 | annma | works |
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| 19:20.47 | annma | you can run it through gdb |
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| 19:20.54 | annma | and get a backtrace |
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| 19:23.12 | wert613 | gbd? |
| 19:23.21 | wert613 | gdb* |
| 19:24.09 | annma | I said gdb |
| 19:24.13 | annma | ;) |
| 19:24.49 | wert613 | wassat? |
| 19:25.18 | tuxick | i was told konqeuror doesn't need nspluginviewer to play flash? is that true? |
| 19:25.31 | tuxick | since that _$(#% is a pain |
| 19:25.46 | annma | hmm, :me just disables flash |
| 19:26.12 | tuxick | i installed it when i saw weebl&bob |
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| 19:30.32 | tenco | i cant start my kde4 installation. error msg: call to lnusertmp failed |
| 19:32.10 | annma | how did you install it? |
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| 19:34.23 | wert613 | ill brb gotta restart opera |
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| 19:34.40 | tenco | as it's described on the kde pages for alpha1. into /usr/local |
| 19:35.00 | annma | as a new user? |
| 19:35.02 | tenco | i created a .desktop file for my 3.5.6 kdm |
| 19:35.05 | tenco | yes |
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| 19:35.16 | annma | run kde4 not via kdm |
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| 19:35.17 | tenco | groups are all the same as a normal user would have |
| 19:35.21 | tenco | why? |
| 19:35.29 | annma | as it does not work? |
| 19:35.37 | tenco | hmm |
| 19:35.38 | annma | you justr said you cnot start itan |
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| 19:36.00 | oGALAXYo | right.. i think its wise to check whether it runs at all first. |
| 19:36.01 | annma | so go to tty and type startkde |
| 19:36.18 | tenco | whats itan? |
| 19:36.39 | tenco | lnusertmp failed |
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| 19:38.20 | tenco | do i have to copy over a ~.kde dir from an existing user? |
| 19:38.41 | annma | NO |
| 19:39.04 | tenco | startkde from tty does nothing. just sits there |
| 19:39.25 | annma | which tutorial did you follow? |
| 19:39.49 | tenco | one moment... |
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| 19:43.21 | tenco | i don't have the url at hand right now, it's the build/install howto for alpha1 on kde.org |
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| 19:45.15 | annma | hmm |
| 19:45.23 | tuxick | my startkde is run via .xinitrc |
| 19:45.28 | annma | as far as I know I wrote that doc |
| 19:45.38 | annma | .xinitrc has startkde in it |
| 19:45.44 | annma | startx in tty |
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| 19:46.11 | annma | as your kde-devel user |
| 19:46.19 | derek_ | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development |
| 19:47.01 | tenco | ok, i started via startx, same error: call to lnusertemp failed |
| 19:47.12 | tenco | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:47.34 | g-henna | hi! |
| 19:47.39 | wert613 | hiya |
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| 19:47.51 | g-henna | when creating a new event in korganizer (am i right here at all?), i can select categories. when i click "edit categories", exactly nothing happens |
| 19:48.01 | g-henna | this is kde 3.5.6 |
| 19:49.06 | g-henna | is this reproducible at someone's site? |
| 19:49.18 | derek_ | tenco: look at the bottom of the page I linked. |
| 19:49.28 | annma | maybe you can't access /tmp |
| 19:49.46 | Sho_ | g-henna: You're right here, although #kontact might even be more right |
| 19:50.15 | g-henna | Sho_: i already asked there and then saw: "this is developer channel", so i asked here, too |
| 19:50.30 | g-henna | annma: well, everything else works fine. is there some log file or the like? |
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| 19:55.33 | g-henna | hm... used a different calendar resource now for that purpose... |
| 19:55.55 | tenco | derek_: ok, i found my error msg on that page. it works now :D |
| 19:56.05 | g-henna | bye then |
| 19:56.42 | wert613 | cyu |
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| 19:58.35 | tenco | hmm, ok. switching to tty and back again destroys the whole kde session |
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| 20:02.46 | derek_ | tenco: i created a user, then followed http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts |
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| 20:03.15 | derek_ | tenco: it doesn't work from kdm, but I get a shell, and I run /opt/kde4/bin/startkde and it comes up |
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| 20:06.38 | OlliK | Hi, all! |
| 20:06.53 | OlliK | Can anyone help me with a small problem related to Kopete and webcam? |
| 20:07.57 | OlliK | According to this -> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete+Webcam+Support There should be some kind of dialog opening with preview of webcam, when I press the "send webcam", but nothing happens |
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| 20:10.23 | pinotree | OlliK: #kopete |
| 20:10.34 | OlliK | pinotree: thanks |
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| 20:11.50 | stoned | damn flat tire |
| 20:12.08 | stoned | these car mechanics are a-holes man |
| 20:12.17 | stoned | greedy bastidges |
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| 20:13.50 | ryanakca | umm... is this normal? " 5405 ryan 15 0 96928 28m 6916 S 86.9 6.5 604:34.13 kded |
| 20:14.04 | ryanakca | (86.9% CPU) |
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| 20:15.32 | wert613 | brb |
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| 20:19.15 | tenco | ok |
| 20:19.19 | tenco | looks nice so far |
| 20:19.44 | tenco | the navigation panel in konqueror is actually a printer config dialog :) |
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| 20:23.59 | Jefis | I have little problem with KDE 3.5.7 on OpenSuse, when i try to download any file, it hangs up |
| 20:24.05 | Jefis | Problem: |
| 20:24.07 | Jefis | ASSERT: "!icon.isEmpty()" in ./libkonq/konq_pixmapprovider.cc (81) |
| 20:24.10 | Jefis | :) |
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| 20:24.29 | pinotree | from what i understood, it could be safely ignored, ore or les... |
| 20:24.33 | pinotree | *more or less |
| 20:24.56 | Jefis | Well, it hangs ups, and need to kill konqueror, how to ignore that? |
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| 20:48.37 | codin | hi |
| 20:48.50 | wert613 | h'lo |
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| 20:49.44 | codin | I'm using kpdf to view pdf files, yet I have a problem with larger pdfs ... kpdf grows very large in memory and it might get killed by the kernel |
| 20:50.12 | oGALAXYo | codin: what kde version and what distro ? |
| 20:50.23 | codin | and the kernel generates an oops |
| 20:50.52 | oGALAXYo | aehm |
| 20:50.54 | codin | kde 3.5, distro gentoo |
| 20:50.58 | oGALAXYo | kernel never generates oopses.. |
| 20:51.07 | oGALAXYo | if so then the problems are related differently. |
| 20:51.08 | wert613 | hahaha |
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| 20:51.41 | codin | yeah I know, the GC is generating it |
| 20:51.43 | oGALAXYo | ok.. kernel can generate oopses.. but a userland tool shouldnt cause it. |
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| 20:52.18 | oGALAXYo | codin: most likely you hit some sort of "leet cflags" leetnes bug.... or gcc code generation bug. |
| 20:52.23 | oGALAXYo | what gcc version are you running ? |
| 20:52.37 | codin | gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 (Gentoo 4.1.2) |
| 20:52.37 | codin | Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 20:52.37 | codin | This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO |
| 20:52.37 | codin | warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. |
| 20:52.57 | codin | ups, sorry for the extra info |
| 20:52.57 | oGALAXYo | what cflags did you use to compile your stuff ? |
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| 20:53.21 | codin | CFLAGS="-O3 -march=pentium4 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" |
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| 20:54.03 | pinotree | codin: please recompile with kpdf with at least -O2 |
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| 20:54.34 | oGALAXYo | codin: can you verify whether the "memory" issue is kde related or related due to wrong code generation in some lower core things.. i mean.. a userland tool should NEVER run the kernel into oopses.. |
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| 20:55.09 | codin | pinotree: "at least" means -O2 or higher ? |
| 20:55.14 | pinotree | codin: does it happen with every pdf you read, or just with some? |
| 20:55.31 | codin | pinotree: it happens only with some of them |
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| 20:55.58 | pinotree | do they have really big pages (like A1 or A0) ? |
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| 20:56.15 | codin | they are regular A4 pages |
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| 20:56.45 | codin | at least the example that I remember right now: it is a document created with word and exported in pdf |
| 20:56.52 | codin | no images, just text |
| 20:56.57 | oGALAXYo | heh.. i once wrote a PS fractal generator.. that when looking at the .ps file it rendered a huge fractal (nonstop)... if you sent that shit to printer :) then good bye printer.. |
| 20:57.00 | pinotree | kpdf version? |
| 20:57.30 | codin | 0.5.5 |
| 20:57.39 | codin | Qt: 3.3.4 |
| 20:57.39 | codin | KDE: 3.5.7 |
| 20:57.39 | codin | KPDF: 0.5.5 |
| 20:57.53 | pinotree | wtf? |
| 20:57.58 | pinotree | 0.5.5 is with kde 3.5.5 |
| 20:58.09 | oGALAXYo | heh |
| 20:58.23 | pinotree | codin: then please |
| 20:58.24 | oGALAXYo | gentoo bastelbude |
| 20:58.34 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: please, stop |
| 20:58.38 | codin | kpdf --version, this is what I run |
| 20:58.51 | pinotree | a) if possible, update to kpdf 0.5.7 |
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| 20:59.02 | pinotree | b) in every case, recompile with -O2 |
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| 21:31.58 | pvandewyngaerde | are there no kde talks at oscon ?? http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2007/schedule/ |
| 21:32.09 | mmiikkee12 | how do i remove the bookmarks bar in konqueror? |
| 21:32.25 | pinotree | settings -> toolbars -> bookmark toolbar |
| 21:33.36 | mmiikkee12 | ...that was way too easy |
| 21:33.36 | mmiikkee12 | thanks |
| 21:33.59 | codin | 15897 cipy 15 0 914m 686m 13m S 0.0 77.5 0:17.36 kpdf |
| 21:34.05 | codin | 686 MB ?! |
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| 21:34.28 | pinotree | how many ram do you have? |
| 21:34.32 | pinotree | *much |
| 21:34.33 | codin | 1 GB |
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| 21:34.59 | codin | but it started writing to swap |
| 21:35.08 | codin | the pdf is 6 MB |
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| 21:35.27 | Arfdee | anyone good with k3b? |
| 21:35.29 | pinotree | you recompiled, didn't you? |
| 21:35.38 | pinotree | Arfdee: just ask to the channel |
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| 21:35.53 | Arfdee | i am trying to copy a dvd/rw that was not closed |
| 21:35.56 | codin | yeah I've just done |
| 21:36.00 | Arfdee | so i can access the video |
| 21:36.03 | codin | -O2 |
| 21:36.09 | Arfdee | k3b says unable to determine iso9660 filesystem size |
| 21:36.11 | Arfdee | can i force? |
| 21:36.22 | codin | poppler, poppler-binding and kpdf |
| 21:36.24 | pinotree | codin: may i take a look at the pdf? |
| 21:36.44 | pinotree | codin: theorically, poppler should NOT be used by kpdf |
| 21:36.59 | codin | pinotree, the pdf is here: http://www1.hotnews.ro/arhiva_avt/raport_tismaneanu.pdf |
| 21:37.01 | pinotree | until 0.5.6, it's patched by gentoo |
| 21:37.13 | pinotree | that's why i said you to update, if possible |
| 21:37.15 | codin | pinotree I've installed 0.5.7 |
| 21:37.41 | pinotree | ok |
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| 21:46.35 | osmosis | on ubuntu, what do I apt-get for libqt-mt.so.3 ? |
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| 21:48.20 | MinceR | i'd guess qt or libqt but it's really offtopic here |
| 21:48.37 | chealer | osmosis: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:49.11 | osmosis | libqt-mt suprisingly enough |
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| 21:52.09 | MinceR | packages.ubuntu.com would have told you too |
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| 21:52.53 | fatalerrors | i need help... |
| 21:52.58 | fatalerrors | quickly |
| 21:53.12 | fatalerrors | i need to unerase some files |
| 21:53.30 | pinotree | #linux-help |
| 21:53.33 | icwiener | Quick, all to the time machine. :D |
| 21:53.47 | fatalerrors | thanx |
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| 21:54.30 | fatalerrors | pinotree: there's nobody but me on #linux-help |
| 21:54.42 | fatalerrors | are you sure that's here? |
| 21:55.34 | icwiener | fatalerrors: http://www.linux.com/articles/56588 seems complete. |
| 21:56.09 | fatalerrors | thanx i take a look |
| 21:56.22 | MinceR | fatalerrors: restore from the backup =) |
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| 21:59.10 | fatalerrors | MinceR: this is personal data |
| 21:59.32 | MinceR | personal data can be backed up too :> |
| 21:59.41 | fatalerrors | my own source code and the last backup is too old |
| 22:00.03 | fatalerrors | MinceR: yeah you're right |
| 22:00.08 | fatalerrors | i'll remember |
| 22:00.39 | MinceR | btw i don't have my stuff backed up yet either |
| 22:01.06 | MinceR | so far i've managed to get an external hdd i can backup to :> |
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| 22:02.01 | Kprofthreat | Grr |
| 22:02.29 | Kprofthreat | How can I get this kfbx menu to work? |
| 22:02.32 | Kprofthreat | *kbfx |
| 22:02.33 | MinceR | Growr |
| 22:02.52 | Kprofthreat | I pick from menu style and it ain't doin anything... |
| 22:03.36 | fatalerrors | in fact i have a programming session last 10 hours and lot of work have been done and while copying on my personal hard drive i have done a bad click and erase everything |
| 22:03.54 | icwiener | ouch! |
| 22:03.55 | fatalerrors | :( |
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| 22:04.42 | fatalerrors | and teen hours of 4 genius mind it's lot of work... |
| 22:04.43 | fatalerrors | lol |
| 22:07.01 | icwiener | Oh well. There's a gas station 50 meters away from my window and it seems their alert siren is now triggered every night at 0:00 just for fun. -_- |
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| 22:08.25 | foug | hello, i can use konqueuer to connect to ftp servers right? |
| 22:08.45 | icwiener | foug: Yes |
| 22:09.00 | foug | icwiener: where's it at? i have konq open right now |
| 22:09.13 | icwiener | ftp://USERNAME@HOST:PORT/ |
| 22:09.27 | foug | ehhh i don't get that i need a GUI, lol |
| 22:10.02 | foug | kftpgrabber? |
| 22:10.09 | icwiener | There is a network connection thingy in kicker applets. |
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| 22:10.27 | icwiener | I do not know kftpgrabber, but try it. :) |
| 22:10.45 | foug | well, i'm in gnome atm but i have kubuntu-desktop installed so i can still open up and kde apps |
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| 22:21.16 | b52laptop | hi |
| 22:21.59 | b52laptop | ppl what the name made what qt that can used with nokia mobile phone , saving repertory number , send sms .... |
| 22:22.00 | b52laptop | ? |
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| 22:29.24 | kakatu | test |
| 22:29.39 | kakatu | oh |
| 22:29.45 | kakatu | I can see you guys |
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| 22:30.24 | pinotree | we can see you |
| 22:30.44 | kakatu | but how? I'm invisible |
| 22:30.58 | pvandewyngaerde | haha |
| 22:30.58 | pinotree | you are not |
| 22:31.05 | kakatu | yes I am |
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| 22:31.28 | pvandewyngaerde | do you mean usermode +i ? |
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| 22:32.08 | kakatu | yes |
| 22:32.21 | foug | what's a program similar to ftp rush for windows and isn't kftpgrabber |
| 22:32.43 | pvandewyngaerde | ftp:// |
| 22:32.47 | tuxick | :) |
| 22:33.32 | foug | that won't work for me |
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| 22:34.58 | pvandewyngaerde | usermode invisible is so that you dont show up in the channel nickname listings, but that is IRC related, not kde |
| 22:35.28 | kakatu | oh no |
| 22:35.37 | kakatu | so you can see me...hm.... |
| 22:35.49 | straw | lolz |
| 22:36.07 | kakatu | maybe i should make myself a new chann and write stuff all alone claiming that i'm not here |
| 22:36.15 | foug | i try using konqueuer to conncet to an ftp server but it won't listen my files, it says i'm connected though my friend who runs it says i'm on |
| 22:36.25 | pvandewyngaerde | you cannot be invisible on a irc chan, only ircops can do that, or depends on a special channel setting |
| 22:38.14 | pvandewyngaerde | foug: you sure its not a router/firewall program ? |
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| 22:38.27 | foug | what do you mean |
| 22:38.49 | pvandewyngaerde | the porst you use need to be open/forwarded |
| 22:38.52 | Kprofthreat | Can anyone explain to me why when I go to configure my panels, I can only choose options for the main one, even when I have clicked the other one to edit? |
| 22:39.05 | foug | i have no idea how to open or forward ports |
| 22:39.30 | kakatu | with iptables |
| 22:39.46 | pvandewyngaerde | foug: are you behind a router or firewall ? |
| 22:39.50 | foug | pvandewyngaerde: yes |
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| 22:40.40 | pvandewyngaerde | ftp has uses two ports, one for commands, and one for data, port 21 and a "random" one |
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| 22:41.19 | Kprofthreat | ... |
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| 22:41.33 | jlowell | hey whatup? i just read that k3b has a bios flash cd creating abillity, true? |
| 22:41.49 | pvandewyngaerde | foug: i suggest you try to read some more about that, maybe you'll understand your problem i think you are having |
| 22:42.48 | foug | hmm |
| 22:42.54 | foug | he says i need to enable secure listing, where do i find that at? |
| 22:46.23 | foug | no idea eh? |
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| 23:22.52 | knox_ | hey is anyone here running gentoo? |
| 23:23.25 | Sola6662 | why whats up |
| 23:23.53 | knox_ | newb question |
| 23:23.56 | knox_ | im new to linux |
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| 23:24.01 | knox_ | so ive been trying new distros out |
| 23:24.09 | knox_ | i tried ubuntu now im on sabayon |
| 23:24.13 | knox_ | but i wanted to try gentoo |
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| 23:24.20 | knox_ | however i dont know which one to download |
| 23:24.26 | knox_ | i know ppc is for macs |
| 23:24.41 | knox_ | i dont know if i need the x86 version or the i686 version |
| 23:24.43 | pinotree | knox_: #gentoo please |
| 23:25.08 | MrGrim | knox_: to be honest, if you do not know then you shouldn't be using gentoo |
| 23:25.44 | knox_ | quit trying to sound all cool |
| 23:26.02 | knox_ | im only in here for help |
| 23:26.10 | MrGrim | and I'm offering honest advice |
| 23:26.16 | knox_ | i would like to learn more about linux |
| 23:26.17 | foug | gentoo is a bit hard to install i hear |
| 23:26.20 | pinotree | we can help about kde (it's #kde, after all) |
| 23:26.25 | knox_ | i know |
| 23:26.29 | pinotree | for gentoo questions, please ask in #gentoo |
| 23:26.33 | knox_ | im in the gentoo channel |
| 23:26.43 | knox_ | it was an honest mistake |
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| 23:28.32 | smileaf | not too many kde related questions today. |
| 23:30.37 | stoned | I always wanted to grow up and be a modem. |
| 23:31.00 | smileaf | stoned: dial-up? =p |
| 23:31.41 | stoned | yes |
| 23:31.41 | stoned | only a dialup modem is a real modem |
| 23:31.41 | smileaf | lol |
| 23:31.41 | stoned | cable modems are not real modems cuz they don't modulate and demodulate |
| 23:31.46 | stoned | they are broadband network devices |
| 23:31.53 | stoned | dialup is a real modem cuz it modulates audio and data |
| 23:31.56 | stoned | so booya |
| 23:31.58 | stoned | dialup pwnz |
| 23:32.15 | smileaf | Ok you go modulate someone to show off your modem powers. |
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