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| 00:00.12 | orville | padde: I may just be remembering incorrectly, but I recollect having to wait a bit on some incremental updates. |
| 00:00.47 | orville | However this was back in 3.4 time. I haven't used gentoo extensively since 3.5 was birthed |
| 00:00.53 | orville | i think |
| 00:01.23 | padde | i see... i think things changed a bit ;) now, with split ebuilds and all this |
| 00:01.32 | Jucato | padde: missing dev iirc :( |
| 00:01.55 | Jucato | s/iirc/afaik/ |
| 00:02.56 | padde | Jucato: really? just some weeks ago a new guy started to do a very good job with kde on gentoo (backporting svn-patches for some nasty kmail-patches to 3.5.6, for example) |
| 00:03.09 | orville | Jucato: now's a good time time switch to archlinux maybe. give 'er a little test eh? :-) |
| 00:03.19 | padde | Jucato: nasty kmail-bugs, i mean ;) |
| 00:03.32 | Zeroth404 | gnome ftw ;-) |
| 00:03.36 | orville | lol |
| 00:03.52 | Jucato | orville: I'm on 3.5.7 on Kubuntu :) |
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| 00:05.26 | padde | kubuntu would be my second choice, right after gentoo ;) and if i recommend a distro, it surely is kubuntu, and not gentoo - because who on earth has so much time to read learn so much? ;) |
| 00:05.57 | Jucato | hehe I have both distros :) |
| 00:07.00 | padde | my laptops have never been running anything else than gentoo, and i'll keep it like that (except for a few weeks of suse 9.1 or so)... and my server is happy with gentoo, too ;) |
| 00:07.06 | padde | ok, got to go, cu guys |
| 00:07.24 | Jucato | me too.. gtg |
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| 00:10.09 | oggb4mp3 | anybody have trouble with klaptop since kde 3.5.7? |
| 00:10.24 | oggb4mp3 | all of a sudden the battery monitor won't load into the tray |
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| 00:13.26 | Shirakawasuna | not I |
| 00:13.27 | orville | oggb4mp3: kpowersave. |
| 00:13.37 | orville | ferget klaptop. |
| 00:13.53 | orville | It won't love you like kpowersave will love you. |
| 00:16.53 | abductee | phew |
| 00:17.00 | abductee | i think i am too tired |
| 00:17.08 | orville | you escaped? |
| 00:17.19 | abductee | o_O |
| 00:17.22 | abductee | nah |
| 00:17.40 | abductee | i wanted to have a look at the new kdevelop 4 |
| 00:17.56 | abductee | but somwhow, the length of this site http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 killed my motivation |
| 00:18.04 | abductee | ( at least for today ) |
| 00:18.25 | orville | muahahahahahaah |
| 00:18.31 | orville | me too at first |
| 00:18.46 | morphir | is there a tool like zeroconf for kde? |
| 00:19.18 | orville | it sucks even more after you've gone through the whole thing, start it up, and then realize - there's really not much there to look at. |
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| 00:20.39 | abductee | well |
| 00:21.07 | abductee | i want to have a look at this: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2311 |
| 00:21.41 | BlackBsd | does anyone have flash 9 working with konqueror? |
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| 00:24.20 | mark_alec | BlackBsd: yes |
| 00:24.36 | BlackBsd | it seems to work on some sites, but not on others. |
| 00:25.43 | BlackBsd | like i can go to this site, http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/ and the things work, but when i want to watch the episode by clicking on the link the player does not start up. |
| 00:26.00 | BlackBsd | it seems to work in firefox |
| 00:26.14 | BlackBsd | but i like konqueror for browsing. |
| 00:26.23 | BlackBsd | where i can |
| 00:29.06 | orville | BlackBsd: 1. Go to Settings -> Configure Konqueror |
| 00:29.35 | orville | 2. Then scroll down to Plugins |
| 00:29.39 | BlackBsd | ok |
| 00:30.07 | orville | 3. Hit the scan button then Apply |
| 00:30.42 | BlackBsd | ok.. |
| 00:31.15 | BlackBsd | is the show starting in konqueror for you? |
| 00:31.59 | orville | haven't tried. I used firefox for browsing. |
| 00:32.18 | BlackBsd | yeah they work in firfox. |
| 00:32.18 | orville | have you tried what i suggested? |
| 00:32.23 | BlackBsd | yep |
| 00:32.42 | BlackBsd | i have the plugin loaded as noted by the about:plugins |
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| 00:35.11 | orville | i've can see flash in konq but the video doesn't get past the commercial |
| 00:35.24 | BlackBsd | yep |
| 00:35.30 | BlackBsd | same here |
| 00:35.40 | BlackBsd | sometimes, i cant even get the commercial |
| 00:36.03 | orville | sucks fer konq |
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| 00:36.42 | BlackBsd | maybe the new webkit will be better for this |
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| 00:37.27 | icwiener | It sucks that Konqueror opens confirmation dialogs app-centered now. I always move the mouse to the middle of the screen... |
| 00:37.36 | icwiener | No, I'm kidding. It's fine. :) |
| 00:37.42 | icwiener | I just have to get used to it. :0 |
| 00:37.44 | icwiener | :) |
| 00:37.46 | straw | heh |
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| 00:44.22 | PeterFA | I upgraded my distro's (that is, Gentoo) distribution of KDE (3.5.6-? to 3.5.6-r2) and now most of the icons do not load including many descriptive ones found in applications like amaroK. Is there a quick and easy fix? If not, how do I go about fixing this mess? |
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| 00:50.12 | degel3030_ | after installing openoffice do i have to manually put the shortcuts in the kmenu? |
| 00:50.15 | orville | PeterFA: #gentoo-kde or #gentoo |
| 00:50.28 | orville | degel3030_: yup |
| 00:50.36 | degel3030_ | o so lame |
| 00:50.45 | orville | degel3030_: if you installed it manually that is. |
| 00:50.47 | degel3030_ | so where would i find the kmenu on the filesystem? |
| 00:50.50 | oggb4mp3 | orville: is kpowersave in kde proper or an addon |
| 00:50.57 | Jucato | degel3030_: not really. depends on your distro |
| 00:50.58 | orville | oggb4mp3: addon |
| 00:51.01 | degel3030_ | well i used the apt installer |
| 00:51.13 | orville | degel3030_: then it should be in the menu |
| 00:51.19 | orville | if not, apt prob |
| 00:51.27 | orville | degel3030_: so check w/ your distro's chan |
| 00:51.31 | Jucato | degel3030_: 1) it should be in the menu automatically, 2) it's not a KDE issue |
| 00:51.33 | degel3030_ | alright |
| 00:51.52 | oggb4mp3 | I have been using cpufreqd for cpu throttling, and just klaptop for the battery monitor |
| 00:51.52 | orville | passingthebuck++ |
| 00:51.57 | degel3030_ | im using linux mint (or mint linux) thats based off kubuntu |
| 00:51.59 | oggb4mp3 | I don't need suspend and all that jazz |
| 00:52.47 | orville | oggb4mp3: kernel module does a better job i hear |
| 00:52.55 | orville | i still only get one bloody hour of battery life w/ powersaving turned on |
| 00:53.00 | orville | soo lame |
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| 00:53.53 | oggb4mp3 | k, tnx |
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| 01:10.38 | rajkt | just curious, has anyone tried to put the whole linux kernel code as a project in kdevelop? |
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| 01:20.10 | Zeroth404 | I keep getting logged off for no apparent reason |
| 01:21.10 | swanfl | anyone try 3.5.7 yet? |
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| 01:21.27 | icwiener | Yes. |
| 01:22.07 | swanfl | how is it? |
| 01:22.13 | swanfl | and for what distro? |
| 01:22.37 | A_b | i upgraded on opensuse 10.2 |
| 01:22.44 | icwiener | On Debian it runs well. some nice improvements I found and no bas surprises. :) |
| 01:22.47 | A_b | seems fine sofare |
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| 01:22.55 | icwiener | *bad |
| 01:22.55 | Jucato | ok here on Kubuntu |
| 01:23.18 | icwiener | Jucato: Hi. :) |
| 01:23.21 | A_b | lost a couple of menu icons but i think they were gnome icons |
| 01:23.26 | x_or | I am looking for information on using kioslave and fish with korganizer to publish my calendar. Can anyone tell me how I can learn more? |
| 01:23.28 | Jucato | hi icwiener :) |
| 01:23.34 | icwiener | Jucato: Is it awake still or again for you? |
| 01:23.44 | Jucato | icwiener: again :) |
| 01:23.54 | icwiener | laaaaame ;) |
| 01:24.11 | A_b | i also lost my net icon in the systray on my roomies comp |
| 01:24.13 | Jucato | lol |
| 01:25.03 | swanfl | Jucato, I am using Gentoo and 3.5.7 is hard masked |
| 01:25.22 | swanfl | I also demo'd open suse 10.3 kde alpha 4 |
| 01:25.26 | swanfl | slick :) |
| 01:25.36 | Jucato | yeah, no 3.5.7 on gentoo yet :( |
| 01:27.01 | icwiener | Flameeyes left Gentoo somehow and since that KDE (and other stuff) takes longer. ;) |
| 01:27.27 | icwiener | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.44 | Zeroth404 | anyone have any ideas why I keep getting logged off for no apparent reason? |
| 01:27.53 | swanfl | actually Jucato, 3.5.7 is hard masked on gentoo |
| 01:27.56 | swanfl | came up today |
| 01:28.00 | Jucato | ah finally |
| 01:28.09 | Jucato | probably do a sync later... |
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| 01:28.35 | smileaf | hmm, that might explain why suddenly I'm having problems getting things upgraded on gentoo. |
| 01:28.52 | prudviraj | hi |
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| 01:29.11 | prudviraj | how can we edit the startup programs |
| 01:29.38 | Jucato | I miss apt in times like this... |
| 01:30.04 | Jucato | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.14 | Jucato | prudviraj: ^^^ |
| 01:30.22 | smileaf | prudviraj: You can do things 2 ways the hard way as Jucato said, or the easy way: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Autostart+Manager?content=45975 |
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| 01:30.46 | Jucato | smileaf: I mentioned the (your) easy way too :P |
| 01:31.03 | Jucato | of course, that factoid was from kubuntu... |
| 01:31.09 | Jucato | so the app name is diff |
| 01:31.10 | smileaf | Jucato: fun |
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| 01:31.25 | smileaf | no one ever told me they packaged it.. lol |
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| 01:31.33 | Jucato | smileaf: I did... months ago |
| 01:31.43 | Jucato | it has been there since dapper iirc |
| 01:31.47 | swanfl | I think Jucato knows why I dumped kubuntu |
| 01:31.48 | swanfl | :) |
| 01:31.52 | smileaf | you know my memory doesn't go back that far! =p |
| 01:32.33 | Jucato | lol |
| 01:33.11 | Jucato | here's the obligatory proof: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/kde/kcontrol-autostart |
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| 01:33.53 | smileaf | Jucato: that's not my package |
| 01:34.07 | Jucato | it isn't? O.o |
| 01:34.11 | smileaf | nope |
| 01:34.35 | Jucato | really? O.o |
| 01:34.35 | smileaf | even if it was that version is *really* old. |
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| 01:34.59 | smileaf | 100% positive, look at the copyright if you don't believe me. you'll not see me mentioned at all. |
| 01:35.03 | smileaf | plus its the wrong homepage |
| 01:35.10 | smileaf | http://beta.smileaf.org/projects/ |
| 01:35.13 | smileaf | thats the right one |
| 01:35.15 | Jucato | hm.. yeah... |
| 01:35.30 | Jucato | they look the same iirc... :( |
| 01:35.45 | Jucato | oh well... no time to check. my sister needs to use... drum rolll.... XP! |
| 01:35.50 | smileaf | never used that one so I have no idea. |
| 01:36.21 | Jucato | well,, it's possible they got the data wrong |
| 01:36.26 | Jucato | anyway, gotta scram :( |
| 01:36.37 | MinceR | do a barrel roll |
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| 01:38.26 | daum | doens't kde have software for turning your computer into a remote desktop accessible one? |
| 01:38.52 | wolsni | daum: krfb |
| 01:39.26 | daum | wolsni, is there a way to start tat up remotely? i'm sshed into my main comp |
| 01:39.50 | wolsni | never tried it so I'm not sure |
| 01:41.00 | daum | wolsni, thanks |
| 01:42.35 | Shirakawasuna | daum: if you're ssh'd in, there's other options like vnc and nx ( I recommend vnc atm ) |
| 01:42.38 | swanfl | I will back up my critical data before I try 3.5.7 |
| 01:42.43 | swanfl | in ase it kills it :D |
| 01:42.52 | Shirakawasuna | does 3.5.7 have issues? |
| 01:43.01 | swanfl | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.09 | swanfl | it's just hard masked in gentoo |
| 01:43.26 | Shirakawasuna | and you're going to use it? : |
| 01:43.27 | Shirakawasuna | ) |
| 01:43.37 | wolsni | well, ideally point releases wouldn't introduce bugs... |
| 01:43.55 | smileaf | KDE releases stuff with bugs? =p |
| 01:44.10 | icwiener | wolsni: 3.5.7 introduces ne features, so it's no usual point release. |
| 01:44.22 | icwiener | *new |
| 01:44.27 | wolsni | that's not news to me |
| 01:44.54 | icwiener | wolsni: What I meant is, new features == new possible bugs. |
| 01:45.15 | Shirakawasuna | meh, I kinda doubt it'll have issues when I upgrade |
| 01:45.32 | icwiener | Shirakawasuna: I have none so far. |
| 01:45.32 | wolsni | icwiener: indeed |
| 01:45.51 | swanfl | what new features? |
| 01:45.54 | Shirakawasuna | now go rate my new kde themes ;) |
| 01:46.18 | icwiener | swanfl: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_6to3_5_7.php |
| 01:46.19 | wolsni | http://kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5.7.php |
| 01:46.43 | swanfl | thanks |
| 01:46.51 | Shirakawasuna | I'm sure the new ability to change taskbar font color will make some people happy |
| 01:47.15 | icwiener | Me including. :) |
| 01:47.16 | wolsni | in a month we'll all wonder how we survived without it :P |
| 01:47.19 | Zeroth404 | anyone have any ideas why I keep getting logged off for no apparent reason? |
| 01:47.40 | padde | me not, i complained about not having that feature years ago ;) |
| 01:47.42 | smileaf | Zeroth404: sure your getting logged out and its not a crash of some sort? |
| 01:47.52 | Zeroth404 | its got to be a crash of some sort |
| 01:47.59 | Shirakawasuna | I don't use a taskbar :) |
| 01:48.01 | Zeroth404 | it seems completely random |
| 01:48.19 | Zeroth404 | but either way, it makes me login again |
| 01:48.26 | Shirakawasuna | Zeroth404: weird |
| 01:48.41 | smileaf | check your ~/.xsession-errors |
| 01:50.08 | Zeroth404 | seems kscmshell doesn't start properly |
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| 01:50.29 | smileaf | what's the error and what are you trying to load? |
| 01:50.30 | Zeroth404 | it spat out usage |
| 01:50.41 | Zeroth404 | I'm not trying to loag anything :-p |
| 01:50.56 | smileaf | kcmshell is the KControl Modules. |
| 01:51.02 | smileaf | well the loader for them. |
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| 01:55.42 | rajkt | is there anyway to quickly switch between two channels in konversation? some shortcut key or something.. |
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| 01:56.00 | padde | rajkt: you can set your shortcuts freely |
| 01:56.24 | icwiener | rajkt: Shift+Alt+Left/Right? |
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| 01:56.39 | padde | rajkt: i set ctrl-pageup/pagedown for example, because i have the habit of changing tabs with this keyboard shortcut (got it from firefox, some time ago ;) |
| 01:57.56 | rajkt | alt+left or right sequentially go through all tabs.. I dont want that.. I want to switch between the most recent tabs I visted in that order.. |
| 01:58.16 | rajkt | that is more useful than cycling through all tabs in my opinion.. |
| 01:58.22 | icwiener | Oops, It's Alt only. :) |
| 01:58.35 | wolsni | rajkt: you can rearrange the tabs |
| 01:58.36 | padde | rajkt: you can reorder tabs at any time |
| 01:58.51 | rajkt | padde: how? |
| 01:59.05 | padde | rajkt: grab it with the mouse and move it where you want it |
| 01:59.12 | wolsni | middle click and drag |
| 01:59.44 | wolsni | there are also shortcuts to go to tab #1,2,3, etc. |
| 02:00.12 | rajkt | hmm.. but even then, I dont want to rearrange my tabs all the time.. I want Konversation to remember where I was before this tab.. |
| 02:00.20 | rajkt | like VC++.. |
| 02:01.09 | padde | oh yes, middle mouse button, i forgot to mention ;) |
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| 02:01.30 | padde | rajkt: put a wish in bugs.kde.org |
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| 02:03.19 | Shirakawasuna | yeah, punk |
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| 02:03.40 | padde | lol |
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| 02:06.47 | cghislai | hi |
| 02:07.01 | smileaf | yo |
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| 02:08.16 | rajkt | How do I select a column of text in Konsole.. like the files names matched in grep etc.. |
| 02:09.09 | smileaf | not possible, you could probably pipe the output to something like sed to only grab the file names. |
| 02:09.46 | rajkt | how to increase the text box heightin Konversation..currently the hight is one line only.. I want two lines.. |
| 02:10.04 | smileaf | the input box? |
| 02:10.36 | rajkt | hmm.. konsole lacks useful features like this.. even windows command prompt has these.. |
| 02:10.40 | padde | rajkt: you have the wrong concept here, konsole is just a "terminal". it doesn't know what's it showing. use text manipulation tools in your shell to extract certain text |
| 02:10.49 | rajkt | smileaf: yes |
| 02:10.55 | padde | rajkt: i recommend reading on awk, sed, cut |
| 02:11.06 | smileaf | rajkt: not possible, it uses a widget which only supports a single line. |
| 02:11.34 | smileaf | rajkt: even then why would you need 2 in an IRC app, IRC isn't meant for multiple lined messages. |
| 02:11.42 | icwiener | rajkt: You can set the input line in Kovi to expand in height while you type. |
| 02:11.50 | smileaf | really? |
| 02:12.14 | icwiener | Behaviour->Genearl (at the bottom). |
| 02:12.24 | icwiener | In Configure dialog. |
| 02:12.33 | padde | rajkt: oh, you mean the dumb selection mode which is used by windows command prompt? with which you can't even select 1.5 lines? lol |
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| 02:13.24 | smileaf | icwiener: it require a konv restart? |
| 02:13.32 | icwiener | smileaf: Dunno. |
| 02:13.43 | wolsni | you could dump the output to a file and then open it in an editor that supports that type of selection |
| 02:13.48 | padde | rajkt: this is really a missing feature in windows than a missing feature in konsole (or any other terminal i know in linux)... think about it. |
| 02:13.53 | icwiener | smileaf: But it only breaks on spaces. :) |
| 02:14.00 | wolsni | icwiener, smileaf: it doesn't need a restart here |
| 02:14.01 | smileaf | guess not it just doesn't work if it doesn't have spaces.. and actually its quite stupid as I can't see what I was typing.... |
| 02:14.32 | smileaf | a a a a a a a a a aa a a a a a a a aa a a a aa a a a a a a a a a a a a aa a a a a a a aa a a a |
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| 02:14.40 | smileaf | have to type at least that much before it'll work. |
| 02:14.47 | padde | rajkt: cut is just fine for getting only one "column" from your output. and so is awk (quite powerful tool) |
| 02:15.03 | icwiener | smileaf: It doesn't break if the line is full? |
| 02:15.09 | smileaf | icwiener: nope |
| 02:15.24 | wolsni | it works like i would expect here |
| 02:15.31 | icwiener | smileaf: Can you make a screenshot of it... somehow? |
| 02:15.38 | smileaf | icwiener: what I just typed was the max. if I entered in 1 more char it'll wap |
| 02:15.40 | smileaf | wrap* |
| 02:15.43 | icwiener | smileaf: And there is #konversation btw. :) |
| 02:15.49 | rajkt | padde: ok, I will read about cut and awk.. but windows does allow you to a keyboard selection mode.. you can select text freely with your keyboard.. |
| 02:16.22 | icwiener | smileaf: My line would not be of the same length as yours, so I cannot see what your line does. :) |
| 02:16.54 | rajkt | when I am typing commands in a terminal, i want to do everything by keyboard only.. dont want to use mouse just for slecting a filename which was an output from previous coomand |
| 02:17.10 | smileaf | http://images.smileaf.org/img:6ba2145d02f7f68bd42c176a76f0cbe2 <-- see the half "a" ? |
| 02:17.32 | padde | rajkt: the usual way of working doesn't require selecting text in a terminal, i guess that's why nobody misses it ;) tell me what you want to accomplish, and i'll tell you how you can do that much more easily than you could have done it in windows ;) guaranteed |
| 02:18.04 | wolsni | padde: whatever you're about to tell him probably works in cygwin as well, so ... |
| 02:18.07 | smileaf | Hmm... it works now. I resized it and now its suddenly working just fine. |
| 02:18.19 | padde | rajkt: the usual way of working --> the usual way of working in UNIX |
| 02:18.37 | icwiener | smileaf: Strange. Please go to #konversation and show them (I guess most of them are sleeping right now though. ;) |
| 02:18.59 | icwiener | smileaf: Hmm... maybe just a not-updated value... |
| 02:19.09 | smileaf | icwiener: yah |
| 02:19.11 | padde | wolsni: that's not the issue here ;) he seems to try to apply strange methods that are based on windows' insufficiency to linux. i try to help ;) |
| 02:20.43 | rajkt | padde: sorry for asking newbie questions.. I have been using windows for a long time.. so very used to the way of working in it.. getting used to UNIX way of working now.. |
| 02:21.02 | padde | rajkt: yes, but first: free your mind :P |
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| 02:21.59 | padde | rajkt: i had to do the exact same thing, and it was a great relief ;) |
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| 02:38.01 | Matt001 | hi! is it me or does 3.5.7 seem slightly faster then 3.5.6? |
| 02:39.41 | smileaf | if thats the case awesome =) I've not had a chance to update yet :( |
| 02:39.52 | A_b | menu etc seems quicker |
| 02:40.10 | Matt001 | kate is loading quicker too |
| 02:40.18 | padde | hm... was always instant for me anyway |
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| 02:40.29 | Matt001 | sorry not kate kopete |
| 02:40.44 | smileaf | padde: me too, but when you got a fast computer you really don't notice too much of anything running slow. |
| 02:40.55 | padde | this sounds a lot like placebo effect to me ;) could anybody measure it, please? |
| 02:41.29 | padde | or show the line in the changelog which suggests what has been changed? or show the code? ;) |
| 02:41.34 | A_b | well when you are at 900mhz p3 it is noticeable :) |
| 02:41.41 | wolsni | well, there were some speed improvements for kopete for this release, IIRC |
| 02:42.00 | smileaf | Sysinfo for 'rakusu': Linux 2.6.20.3 running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMD Opteron 148 at 2211 MHz (4425 bogomips), HD: 636/1199GB, RAM: 1956/2012MB, 165 proc's, 35.1d up |
| 02:42.40 | A_b | 256 ram here and it is smooth this new kde and as a newbie to linux it is sweet |
| 02:42.40 | smileaf | Hmm... not too much of anything is noticeable :S |
| 02:43.02 | padde | smileaf: you sure have a high electricity bill ;) |
| 02:43.34 | A_b | hahhaha |
| 02:43.34 | smileaf | padde: nah |
| 02:43.38 | Matt001 | A_b I agree when you have a slow laptop, you do notice a bit of a speed improvement |
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| 02:43.56 | smileaf | Shirakawasuna: what about my bogomips? |
| 02:44.02 | A_b | yes and it is crisp |
| 02:44.04 | Shirakawasuna | awww, lame. |
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| 02:44.37 | smileaf | I only do if its just completely stupid. |
| 02:44.51 | smileaf | which doesn't happen very often. |
| 02:45.47 | Shirakawasuna | one or two people rated one of these down 4%, grr ;) : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Simple+Blue+Domino?content=58854 http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Simple+Milk+Domino?content=58855 |
| 02:45.50 | Shirakawasuna | buncha jerks ;) |
| 02:46.39 | Shirakawasuna | I tend not to rate things down unless they're offensively bad - like illegal or mean |
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| 02:46.58 | Shirakawasuna | as rating it down from ~50% means pushing it below most people's threshold |
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| 03:16.47 | nicfit | hello KDE people... I'm a gnome user and getting multi-gnome-terminal compiling on modern system is proving difficult.. this leads me to konsole, which unlike gnome-terminal, does not completely fucking suck... actually, it seems to be quite good... anyway, is there anyway to turn on change/silence notifications automatically, for every "session" opened? |
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| 03:17.56 | smileaf | ~root |
| 03:17.58 | apt | somebody said root was not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. |
| 03:19.02 | smileaf | nicfit: doesn't seem to be. I know konsole is getting a lot of work done on it fore kde4 perhaps file a wish? |
| 03:19.35 | smileaf | http://images.smileaf.org/img:6a36d0e30ba0ce5bdca5798913d78a23/0/500/ <-- this is what happens to laptop bags if your not careful! |
| 03:20.23 | smileaf | its interesting that she just started doing that today... and I sold the laptop which will be picked up tomarrow.. |
| 03:22.29 | nicfit | smileaf: thanks, I will check out konsole for kde 4... do you know if check for change, and check for silence are mutually exclusive? can they both be set at once? |
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| 03:23.47 | smileaf | nicfit: you realize that if that were possible it'd *always* be beeping you? |
| 03:23.49 | nicfit | smileaf: hah, just viewed the image.. Cats are rediculous... in a semi-good way :) |
| 03:25.21 | nicfit | smileaf: well, I have sound off, so that is not an issue.. |
| 03:25.42 | smileaf | it'd kinda be counter productive I guess is what I'm saying. |
| 03:26.03 | nicfit | although, hmmm... setting sound for idle state is not a bad idea |
| 03:26.21 | smileaf | all tho it does look like its possible |
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| 03:31.12 | |kyte | pt |
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| 03:34.50 | thomasp | sup |
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| 03:37.41 | thomasp | I'm messing around with a kde app using kdevelop and this app needs to startup with kdesu to work properly. Does anyone know how to setuyp kdevelop so it starts the app in normal/debug mode with kdesu? |
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| 03:50.44 | |kyte | thomasp: try asking in #kdevelop |
| 03:51.28 | TobiG | hi, I try to get some compilation issue sorted using xine-lib ( 1.1.5 / 1.1.6 ) breaks compilation of kdemultimedia 3.5.x here , does anyone have input one this ? |
| 03:51.50 | TobiG | more specifically the artsplugin |
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| 04:56.39 | spaz|wtf | uhh...i have a big problem... |
| 04:56.47 | spaz|wtf | i accidentally hit pause on my konsole |
| 04:56.53 | spaz|wtf | now it's locked |
| 04:56.57 | spaz|wtf | how do i unlock it? |
| 04:57.05 | spaz|wtf | i'd rather not lose what's in there... |
| 04:57.49 | thiago | Ctrl+Q |
| 04:57.57 | joe7d6 | hello. how do i revert konqeuror's view profile/properties folder to the default state? currently every folder behaves erraticly in konqi... pls help. |
| 04:58.44 | spaz|wtf | thiago: not working ._. |
| 04:59.44 | thiago | Pause doesn't hang Konsole here for me... |
| 04:59.47 | thiago | Pause opens Konqueror |
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| 05:25.30 | spaz | hmm... |
| 05:26.19 | spaz | i hit pause on accident in konsole, and it froze |
| 05:26.27 | spaz | i tried doing ctrl-q |
| 05:26.29 | spaz | nothing |
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| 05:30.45 | shastry | hi |
| 05:31.00 | shastry | battery monitor works in 3.5.7? |
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| 05:31.57 | scx | Hi, why is it that Konqui leave a border of about 5px on all pages? |
| 05:32.10 | scx | even border:0px; specifid? |
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| 05:35.55 | EnsGabe | How do I stop Kate from opening up every non-html link from konqueror |
| 05:35.56 | EnsGabe | ? |
| 05:37.06 | derek | shastry: there is a bug opened on that. |
| 05:39.02 | shastry | derek: yeah. i saw that too. |
| 05:39.16 | shastry | thought someone here would know more |
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| 05:45.04 | Gokee2 | Is there a way to make the icons on the desktop display the full name of the file? |
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| 05:46.10 | scx | Gokee2: in kcontrol icons |
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| 05:46.35 | scx | Gokee2: nope |
| 05:46.44 | scx | Gokee2: Desktop ---> advanced |
| 05:47.07 | scx | lines for icon and width |
| 05:47.31 | scx | I use 3 lines 350 width |
| 05:47.48 | SAS_Spidey01 | people still use icons ? |
| 05:48.24 | scx | SAS_Spidey01: what you mean? |
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| 05:49.42 | EnsGabe | Does anyone know how to change konqueror's external app config? Specifically, Kate opens every non-html page I click on |
| 05:50.04 | SAS_Spidey01 | No, I just hate cluttered desktops |
| 05:50.06 | scx | EnsGabe: you were already answered |
| 05:50.23 | SAS_Spidey01 | Theres enough crap on my physical desk, don't need more on the digital one lol |
| 05:50.53 | Shirakawasuna | EnsGabe: you mean you click on a link and it opens kate? |
| 05:51.06 | EnsGabe | Shirakawasuna, yes |
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| 05:51.25 | EnsGabe | scx, ... not in my chat log ... (weird) |
| 05:51.30 | Gokee2 | scx, I still don`t see it whats it there is no "advanced" in desktop in kcontrol.. I also don`t see advanced under anything else under dektop |
| 05:51.31 | Shirakawasuna | EnsGabe: that's gotta be annoying. Go to konqeuror's settings and filetypes. See if you can find the filetypes you're interested in. |
| 05:51.57 | EnsGabe | I checked for debs, and it's set to things other than Kate |
| 05:51.58 | scx | EnsGabe: ok, well, maybe kate is asociated to those kind of files |
| 05:52.36 | scx | EnsGabe: settings ---> configure konqui ---> file associations |
| 05:53.24 | Shirakawasuna | EnsGabe: check text > plain |
| 05:53.40 | Shirakawasuna | tell it so 'ask whether to save to disk instead' |
| 05:54.00 | scx | EnsGabe: and/or: kcontrol ---> kde components ---> component chooser |
| 05:54.40 | EnsGabe | Shirakawasuna, that helped |
| 05:54.53 | EnsGabe | The server was pushing out the wrong mime types |
| 05:55.01 | Shirakawasuna | that's fairly common |
| 05:55.15 | Jucato | Gokee2: right-click on the desktop -> Configure Desktop -> Advanced Options button |
| 05:55.20 | Shirakawasuna | kde folks blame the server/person running it. I blame KDE :) |
| 05:55.49 | Jucato | how can you blame KDE and live with yourself? :D |
| 05:55.54 | EnsGabe | I knew it was something I had innocuosly checked and couldn't figure out what it was |
| 05:56.17 | Shirakawasuna | EnsGabe: I did that once before, too. I just had to figure out what you were talking about :) |
| 05:56.34 | Jucato | j/k, but seriously, when it works on most sites and not on some sites (like kde-look/apps.org), I would probably blame the server/site/person |
| 05:56.42 | Shirakawasuna | it asks you if you want to open/save type : text/plain, you say 'always open with kate' and suddenly things are borked |
| 05:56.53 | Shirakawasuna | Jucato: that's not the case, though. It's annoying |
| 05:57.11 | Shirakawasuna | I ran into it all over the place |
| 05:57.12 | Gokee2 | Jucato, Eh? I have "configure desktop" in my right click on desktop menu as a clickable item with not menu attached to it. It brings up part of the control panal and I still don`t see advanced |
| 05:57.21 | Gokee2 | with no* |
| 05:57.43 | Shirakawasuna | Jucato: if you want to test the fun, change the text/plain type so the option to 'ask whether to save' is off ;) |
| 05:57.43 | Gokee2 | Wait there it is |
| 05:57.46 | Gokee2 | Sorry |
| 05:57.52 | Jucato | Gokee2: :P |
| 05:58.09 | Gokee2 | Thanks Jucato :) |
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| 05:58.23 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: I was referring to the other cases. specifically the ones where download.php links are opened in kate instead |
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| 05:58.38 | Jucato | (like in kde-look/apps sites before0 |
| 05:58.41 | Jucato | hi monzie! |
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| 05:59.58 | monzie | Jucato: hey! what's up? |
| 06:00.02 | Shirakawasuna | Jucato: ah, right |
| 06:00.17 | Jucato | monzie: preparing my poor little head for the chapter on pointers :/ |
| 06:00.21 | EnsGabe | Shirakawasuna, I spoke too soon |
| 06:00.36 | Shirakawasuna | EnsGabe: more broken stuff? |
| 06:00.36 | EnsGabe | http://www.kalpiknigam.com/blog/uploads/purple-plugin-pack_1.0-1_i386.deb is slightly different |
| 06:00.43 | monzie | Jucato: hehe |
| 06:00.45 | EnsGabe | That opens in a new tab |
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| 06:00.57 | Jucato | that should ask you to download it |
| 06:00.58 | Shirakawasuna | nice, mine opens in kate ;) |
| 06:01.14 | Jucato | mine too :) |
| 06:01.19 | Shirakawasuna | n/m, that's only if I click it in konversation |
| 06:01.23 | Shirakawasuna | if I paste it in konqueror it asks |
| 06:01.25 | monzie | Jucato: what are pointers? |
| 06:01.25 | Jucato | yep |
| 06:01.48 | EnsGabe | Jucato, learning C/C++? |
| 06:01.53 | Shirakawasuna | EnsGabe: well it thinks it's plain text... |
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| 06:01.56 | Jucato | EnsGabe: yeah |
| 06:02.14 | Gokee2 | damn its really messed up now... Can I set it back to default? Please don`t tell me its right in front of me and I am missing it again.... |
| 06:02.19 | EnsGabe | Jucato, pointers are fun. Until they give you migraines. |
| 06:02.23 | Jucato | monzie: either the most powerful programming convention, or the biggest headache int he world |
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| 06:02.33 | EnsGabe | But then it feels so good when your head stops hurting! |
| 06:02.36 | Jucato | EnsGabe: just browsed through the chapter... looks like it's going to be that way |
| 06:02.46 | monzie | Jucato: i thought they were arrows and dots : |
| 06:02.49 | monzie | :p |
| 06:03.06 | Jucato | actually, more of asterisks and ampersands |
| 06:03.08 | monzie | lol |
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| 06:03.15 | padde | Shirakawasuna: it doesn't think, the server says so: Content-Type: text/plain ;) |
| 06:03.48 | EnsGabe | Jucato, and arrows too! Don't forget them for structs and classes |
| 06:04.01 | Jucato | well yeah, special cases.. |
| 06:04.11 | Jucato | er.. actually, Qt/KDE use those a lot |
| 06:04.27 | Jucato | but a->b is also *(a).b iirc.. |
| 06:04.30 | EnsGabe | They're used most of the time in C++ programming |
| 06:04.35 | padde | well, because it's c++? ;) |
| 06:04.48 | Jucato | yeah yeah :) |
| 06:04.58 | EnsGabe | When you've got nested classes, do you really want to explicitly use the dereference operator? |
| 06:05.13 | Jucato | eeek! please don't get me thinking about those yet :/ |
| 06:06.00 | padde | could one say that pointers are the gotos of the data world? |
| 06:06.03 | SAS_Spidey01 | If you think pointers are cool, C++ is for you ! If you think pointers are evil you will revel in Java |
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| 06:06.14 | EnsGabe | padde, not at all |
| 06:06.33 | Jucato | I'd say that pointers are a two-edge sword... where does that put me? :D |
| 06:06.49 | Jucato | two-edged* |
| 06:06.55 | SAS_Spidey01 | Jucato, Visual Basic ? |
| 06:06.59 | padde | Jucato: that's diplomatic.. always true ;) |
| 06:07.05 | Jucato | roflmao :) |
| 06:07.24 | EnsGabe | monzie, I agree completely |
| 06:07.32 | SAS_Spidey01 | My knowledge of Java is a good ~10 years out of date |
| 06:07.39 | EnsGabe | Java makes everything equally easy |
| 06:07.40 | monzie | loading an entire VM to parse XML.. well not there |
| 06:07.48 | Jucato | As it stands, C++ -> Qt -> KDE... (No those are not for pointers) |
| 06:07.55 | monzie | Jucato: you can write KDE programs in java |
| 06:08.14 | monzie | Jucato: you can even write Qt programs in Java |
| 06:08.20 | Jucato | monzie: I know. but underneath, it's originally C++ |
| 06:08.24 | SAS_Spidey01 | I don't care very much for C++ ether... |
| 06:08.30 | Jucato | besides, I've started with C/C++ almost a decade ago |
| 06:08.31 | monzie | Jucato: but i think as of now python is a good bet |
| 06:08.42 | monzie | Jucato: yup.. bindings |
| 06:09.21 | Jucato | C++ is one of those things that I regret not having really studied. so I'm doing it now... and now I have a bigger purpose than just plain C++ :D |
| 06:10.26 | SAS_Spidey01 | C I love, C++ I could live without.. |
| 06:10.28 | monzie | Jucato: ah on your way to become a hacker :) great :) |
| 06:10.31 | EnsGabe | I feel like no one can truthfully say that they are good with C++ until they come to grips with polymorphic class usage and templating |
| 06:10.35 | monzie | Jucato: one of the plus points of GNOME is that it is written in C mainly (some parts in C#, which i hate |
| 06:10.35 | monzie | ) |
| 06:10.58 | monzie | C is so much more portable than C++ |
| 06:11.02 | Jucato | I would probably never fully understand the C v C++ thing in my lifetime... oh well. better focus on something I already started with :) |
| 06:11.15 | SAS_Spidey01 | C is also so much _older_ then C++ it helps (imho) |
| 06:11.36 | monzie | Jucato: i dont too... I just go with C++ for desktop apps ( GUI apps) .. for using Qt |
| 06:11.44 | EnsGabe | Bah! Just use a C++ -> C compiler |
| 06:11.52 | EnsGabe | That makes C++ as portable as C :) |
| 06:12.05 | monzie | Jucato: and go for C for the lower level stuff... apache modules.. some GTK programs (in office) |
| 06:12.26 | monzie | EnsGabe: could we run that thing on Qt as well? |
| 06:12.43 | monzie | EnsGabe: and KDE code.. that would make life much easier for us.. we |
| 06:13.11 | monzie | EnsGabe: we've been breaking our heads to get the damn sun compiler to compile KDE on Solaris.. we even had an IRC meet yest for that |
| 06:13.49 | SAS_Spidey01 | monzie, will it build with gcc on Solaris? |
| 06:14.02 | monzie | SAS_Spidey01: depends ... 3.5.x will |
| 06:14.05 | EnsGabe | So Qt and KDE's preprocessor magic gives almost compliant C++? |
| 06:14.16 | monzie | SAS_Spidey01: KDE4 knut "should" |
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| 06:14.48 | monzie | SAS_Spidey01: But we _want_ to build it with Sun Studio .. for 1) performance benefits 2) ABI magic |
| 06:14.49 | Jucato | ah the "Qt isn't really C++" issue? |
| 06:15.09 | SAS_Spidey01 | monzie, I guess I can use Solaris then hehehe |
| 06:15.31 | monzie | KDE 3.4.3 is the latest release of KDE/Solaris using Sun Studio |
| 06:15.55 | Shirakawasuna | nice |
| 06:16.07 | monzie | either gcc is horribly slow on Solaris or Sun Studio is extremely fast.. but there is a huge difference between sun cc and gcc performance |
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| 06:16.51 | SAS_Spidey01 | I wouldn't be supprised if it was a bit of both monzie |
| 06:17.39 | monzie | SAS_Spidey01: yeah. maybe .. but we gotta use the native compilers on Unices.. i mean look at the no of compilers/OSes Qt supports! |
| 06:18.08 | monzie | they obviously dont support it for nothing! |
| 06:18.16 | SAS_Spidey01 | True |
| 06:18.58 | monzie | so yesterday we discussed that we were not going to try to port 3.5.x series.. but work on KDE4.. |
| 06:19.31 | EnsGabe | I wish Qt had better implicit conversions from STL types to Qt types |
| 06:19.35 | Jucato | ah direct to the 4 :) |
| 06:19.51 | monzie | which is "supported" as opposed to a port.. but it's us to have to make KDE a first-class citizen on Solaris.. so i guess we're gonna port-to-support :) |
| 06:20.04 | SAS_Spidey01 | Well, by the time 3.5.x was ported KDE4.5 could be out on Linux & BSD theoretically |
| 06:20.15 | monzie | SAS_Spidey01: bang on :) |
| 06:20.28 | Jucato | SAS_Spidey01: or maybe kde 4.1 only :P |
| 06:20.33 | Jucato | j/k :D |
| 06:21.06 | SAS_Spidey01 | Well I trust KDE to be reasonably portable but who knows about Solaris j/k |
| 06:21.32 | monzie | SAS_Spidey01: But the BSD (atleast FreeBSD) and Solaris/OpenSolaris guys joined hands yesterday.. any patch required for making KDE4 work on Solaris also gets tested on BSD .. then it goes in.. and then it gets tested for not breaking any Linux stuff |
| 06:21.50 | SAS_Spidey01 | Sweet |
| 06:21.56 | monzie | SAS_Spidey01: KDE is portable.. C++ aint :p |
| 06:22.06 | SAS_Spidey01 | hehe, If I knew wtf I was doing I'd offer my help afterwork lol |
| 06:22.15 | EnsGabe | Mmmm ... the transitive property of patch testing :) |
| 06:22.43 | monzie | Jucato: define standard C++ |
| 06:23.01 | Jucato | monzie: ISO standardized C++ |
| 06:23.06 | SAS_Spidey01 | Teaching ones self does not equal knowing how to code their way out of a byte sized bag ! |
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| 06:23.46 | monzie | Jucato: somehow all compilers dont support it too well.. I dont know the exact reason.. but it is not necessary that C++ code which compiles on one compiler will on another.. case in point : kde |
| 06:24.18 | Jucato | that's why I said "I thought"... because I'm just studying now, remember? :) |
| 06:24.29 | Jucato | and at least that's what the book I'm using is saying |
| 06:24.50 | Jucato | (but then again, some will argue, Qt isn't standard C++ anyway.... bah nvm)( |
| 06:24.58 | monzie | Jucato: i'm no cpp guru too.. i just write s alitttle code :) |
| 06:25.13 | SAS_Spidey01 | If some one wanted portable C++ they'd right a compiler that compiles it to ASCII |
| 06:25.19 | ploo | when I have xmms running and im in konqueror I will click on another mp3 to load then another it will open up multiple tasks saying Loading hourglass that normal? |
| 06:27.21 | SAS_Spidey01 | you know, I can't spell worth a damn at 0730 |
| 06:27.46 | rohanpm | Qt is practically more standard than STL |
| 06:27.55 | Shirakawasuna | ploo: huh? |
| 06:28.17 | rohanpm | By which I mean it is closer to identical across different platforms than STL is |
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| 06:31.22 | EnsGabe | On kubuntu, how do you swap gdm for kdm? |
| 06:31.42 | holycow | just uninstall gdm and install kdm |
| 06:32.51 | EnsGabe | Removing gdm removes ubuntu-desktop which marks practically everything as uninstallable |
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| 06:34.39 | holycow | no it shouldn't |
| 06:34.45 | holycow | ubuntu-desktop is just an empty |
| 06:34.47 | holycow | package |
| 06:34.53 | shastry | EnsGabe: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
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| 06:35.00 | holycow | its a metapackage that pulls inother things you can remove it |
| 06:35.05 | holycow | or what shastry said |
| 06:35.32 | EnsGabe | holycow, and if it gets removed, the smart package manager in Ubuntu marks everything it brought in as removable |
| 06:35.41 | holycow | ah no |
| 06:35.44 | holycow | it doesn't |
| 06:35.46 | holycow | i just removed mine |
| 06:35.55 | Jucato | not unless you run autoremove |
| 06:36.01 | EnsGabe | I know |
| 06:36.02 | holycow | just do sudo apt-get remove --purge gdm |
| 06:36.35 | EnsGabe | And if I ever actually /want/ to use autoremove? |
| 06:37.29 | EnsGabe | Stumped you there, didn't I? :) |
| 06:37.34 | holycow | actually no |
| 06:37.42 | holycow | your acting like a retard |
| 06:37.50 | ploo | where do you turn off the icon bouncin thing when loading apps |
| 06:37.51 | holycow | removing gdm does nothing to your system |
| 06:38.15 | Jucato | ploo: KControl -> Apearance & Themes -> Launch Feedback |
| 06:38.22 | EnsGabe | Except break a dependancy chain. |
| 06:38.32 | holycow | *sigh* |
| 06:38.36 | holycow | you really don't have a clue do you? |
| 06:38.41 | EnsGabe | I agree that nothing happens *now* |
| 06:38.43 | holycow | may i recommend going back to microsoft? |
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| 06:39.11 | EnsGabe | It's later that's the real issue |
| 06:39.14 | Jucato | hush now. let's not get all worked up |
| 06:39.18 | holycow | lol |
| 06:39.23 | holycow | text is hard to interpret |
| 06:39.29 | holycow | your using debian/ubuntu |
| 06:39.36 | holycow | there is no such thing as dependency issues |
| 06:39.55 | SAS_Spidey01 | will make* |
| 06:40.01 | SAS_Spidey01 | dang it I need sleep |
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| 06:40.28 | ploo | thanks |
| 06:40.35 | ploo | enable taskbar notification is annoying!!! |
| 06:41.03 | kucrut | hey guys, i'm having problem with konqi/samba |
| 06:41.20 | kucrut | 'smb://' doesnt work (it couldnt find the workgroups |
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| 06:41.38 | kucrut | but 'smb://hostname/share' works |
| 06:41.46 | kucrut | any clue? |
| 06:42.20 | kucrut | oh, i got "Unable to find any workgroups in your local network. This might be caused by an enabled firewall." |
| 06:42.21 | Jucato | how about smb:/ (one / only)? |
| 06:42.51 | kucrut | Jucato: it works!! |
| 06:43.02 | kucrut | Jucato: but why so? |
| 06:44.01 | kucrut | Jucato: and now klicking 'Samba Shares' works too! |
| 06:44.03 | kucrut | thanks! |
| 06:44.19 | kucrut | still, i dont know what's going on :D |
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| 06:50.57 | Fri13 | Hi! Just askin for future, how i can disable that new konqueror cursor icon what shows link will open new window? |
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| 06:59.29 | mike01 | how come my kde theme manager tab has no administrator mode button and is locked down? |
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| 07:02.03 | Jucato | mike01: Kubuntu? that's a bug. press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol" and go to System Administration |
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| 07:05.28 | AmyRose | Jucato: I always just add the Settings menu to my K-menu so I can get to the control center from the menu :D |
| 07:05.56 | Jucato | hehe don't tell that to me. I know my way around both :P |
| 07:06.34 | AmyRose | well it is nice to sometimes go straight to the modules too |
| 07:06.59 | AmyRose | Jucato: Why is there a system settings tool in Kubuntu anyway? |
| 07:13.31 | Jucato | it's a sort of lightweight/revamped alternative to kcontrol |
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| 07:21.21 | AmyRose | Jucato: But I think it sucks... :P |
| 07:21.42 | AmyRose | kcontrol FTW! |
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| 07:22.16 | Jucato | in some ways it does, in some ways it doesn't |
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| 07:22.52 | AmyRose | Well, I'll keep on using kcontrol as long as it's still there |
| 07:23.09 | AmyRose | It's what I've used for years ^_^ |
| 07:23.26 | rajkt | what is the application to find the hardware info of your PC? like windows device manager.. |
| 07:23.33 | AmyRose | rajkt: kinfocenter |
| 07:23.35 | Jucato | rajkt: KInfoCenter |
| 07:23.44 | AmyRose | Jucato: Beat you :P |
| 07:23.49 | Jucato | AmyRose: that the precise mentality why kcontrol isn't evolving imho |
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| 07:24.03 | AmyRose | Jucato: Looky! |
| 07:24.04 | AmyRose | Sysinfo for 'laptop': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz at 2399 MHz (4792 bogomips), HD: 0/0GB, RAM: 498/503MB, 128 proc's, 11.26h up |
| 07:24.11 | AmyRose | ^_^ |
| 07:24.17 | Jucato | stil no HD? :D |
| 07:24.23 | AmyRose | yeah, that's it! |
| 07:24.25 | AmyRose | :P |
| 07:24.33 | AmyRose | Actually, I upgraded to 3.5.7 |
| 07:24.34 | Jucato | Sysinfo for 'Suzaku': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: AMDSempron2200+ at 1500 MHz (3003 bogomips), , RAM: 944/1011MB, 113 proc's, 4.2h up |
| 07:24.54 | AmyRose | Yours doesn't even mention a hard drive??? |
| 07:24.55 | Jucato | aaah that doesn't show in /sysinfo on konvi :) |
| 07:25.06 | Jucato | nope hehehe :) |
| 07:25.07 | AmyRose | Uh... KDE? |
| 07:25.11 | AmyRose | The version is shown |
| 07:25.18 | Jucato | no the hard drive I mean |
| 07:25.20 | AmyRose | oh |
| 07:25.21 | AmyRose | lol |
| 07:25.36 | AmyRose | Uh, why would KControl need to evolve anyway? |
| 07:25.54 | AmyRose | seems fine to me |
| 07:26.00 | Jucato | evolve/change/improve |
| 07:26.12 | AmyRose | What's wrong with it though? |
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| 07:26.37 | Jucato | it seems to have a cult following :) |
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| 07:26.47 | Jucato | for one, the groupings of modules |
| 07:26.58 | Jucato | then there's the individual control modules |
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| 07:27.06 | AmyRose | I guess I'm just going to be a member of that cult then |
| 07:27.19 | Jucato | most probably |
| 07:27.44 | Jucato | the cult that says "don't touch kcontrol, even if it means it's the only thing in KDE that doesn't change over the decades" :D |
| 07:28.03 | AmyRose | I'm part of that cult! |
| 07:28.11 | AmyRose | :D |
| 07:28.13 | Jucato | it works, true. no doubt about that... but then again, does that mean it can't go further? has it already reached the peak of perfection? |
| 07:28.21 | AmyRose | Yes. =P |
| 07:28.43 | Jucato | stay with your kult :) |
| 07:28.53 | AmyRose | Yeah, true, it's a kult, not a cult :P |
| 07:29.13 | AmyRose | System Settings has a very weird way of grouping some things |
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| 07:29.42 | Jucato | s/weird/non-kcontrol-way-therefore-it-is-the-wrong-way |
| 07:30.00 | AmyRose | No. I mean what the heck is "Sound System" doing in Computer Administration? |
| 07:30.11 | Jucato | tell me, why is System Notification under Sound & Multimedia in KControl? |
| 07:30.40 | Jucato | why is Launch Feedback under Appearance & Themes? |
| 07:30.57 | AmyRose | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.10 | padde | they added a search function, because you can't find anything just by looking at the categories |
| 07:31.28 | Jucato | not quite... it has to do with notification more than looks. |
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| 07:31.38 | Jucato | who added a search function? |
| 07:31.49 | AmyRose | I know search has been there since KDE 2.x |
| 07:32.00 | padde | oh ok |
| 07:32.08 | Jucato | they both have search functions :) |
| 07:32.11 | AmyRose | The first version of KDE I used was 2.2.2 |
| 07:32.24 | AmyRose | Yeah, kcontrol hasn't changed much since then... |
| 07:32.29 | Simeon_H | I saw some VCD's for sale today |
| 07:32.33 | Simeon_H | :D |
| 07:32.43 | Jucato | and I bet the kult will make sure that it will stay the same till KDE 6 :) |
| 07:32.49 | AmyRose | Beat you to it, Simeon_H! |
| 07:32.53 | AmyRose | :P |
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| 07:33.17 | AmyRose | As much as I'm a GUI junkie, I'm upgrading my Pentium II's KDE setup from the terminal :D |
| 07:33.44 | Simeon_H | :o |
| 07:34.41 | Jucato | Simeon_H: just for the record, what does "huggle" really mean? :D |
| 07:34.54 | Simeon_H | it's an internet meme |
| 07:35.45 | Simeon_H | well it redirects to "physical intimacy" on wikipedia :/ |
| 07:36.06 | padde | scary |
| 07:36.10 | Jucato | hehehe. guessed so :) |
| 07:36.18 | Simeon_H | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=huggle |
| 07:36.46 | AmyRose | Physical intimacy can be as simple as a handshake though |
| 07:37.12 | AmyRose | since not many are here... |
| 07:37.16 | Jucato | that's physical "contact" not intimacy :) |
| 07:37.32 | AmyRose | lol |
| 07:37.34 | Jucato | grammar check. :) |
| 07:37.39 | Jucato | herself :P |
| 07:37.52 | Simeon_H | yeah.... I was worried there for a moment :o |
| 07:37.52 | AmyRose | Jucato: That was the point :P |
| 07:38.04 | Simeon_H | who the hell names their son Amy |
| 07:38.05 | padde | hrhr, poor Simeon_H |
| 07:38.06 | Simeon_H | :/ |
| 07:38.18 | Jucato | lol |
| 07:38.22 | AmyRose | My name is Danny, not Amy :P |
| 07:38.31 | Simeon_H | o rly? |
| 07:38.34 | AmyRose | yeah |
| 07:38.35 | AmyRose | :P |
| 07:38.43 | Simeon_H | well guys can huggle guys |
| 07:38.47 | Jucato | roflmao |
| 07:38.53 | Simeon_H | I do it all the time :/ |
| 07:39.09 | AmyRose | My feminine side is like that of the character Amy Rose in Sonic, so that's my nickname |
| 07:39.11 | Jucato | let me reiterate what padde said... "hrhr, poor Simeon_H" :D |
| 07:39.11 | Simeon_H | well canllaith is teh h0tzorz |
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| 07:39.38 | Jucato | haha |
| 07:39.43 | Lanken | lawl. |
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| 07:39.55 | padde | ? |
| 07:40.31 | AmyRose | Oh, and though I'm more girly than most girls, I'm actually straight :P |
| 07:40.51 | Jucato | defensive, aren't we? :D |
| 07:40.55 | Lanken | hmmm. let me fix that for you. |
| 07:41.02 | padde | rotfl |
| 07:41.04 | Jucato | O.o |
| 07:41.10 | Lanken | "Oh, and though I'm more girly than most actual girls, I'm straight :P" |
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| 07:41.25 | Jucato | lol |
| 07:41.26 | AmyRose | Lanken: You too? *shot* |
| 07:41.34 | Simeon_H | :/ |
| 07:41.35 | Jucato | I thought you were going to fix something else :) |
| 07:41.42 | padde | Jucato: me too |
| 07:41.44 | AmyRose | I like being straight :P |
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| 07:41.58 | Jucato | now you're not :P |
| 07:42.01 | Lanken | AmyRose: note the quotes. That's what I'd say in your position, to get the point across more clearly :) |
| 07:42.02 | Simeon_H | but I liek b00bz |
| 07:42.04 | AmyRose | Simeon_H: I kinda noticed that |
| 07:42.11 | AmyRose | Lanken: lolz |
| 07:42.23 | padde | perhaps i should change my nickname |
| 07:42.31 | Jucato | to "wondering wtf"? |
| 07:42.36 | Jucato | can't have spaces in your nick :D |
| 07:42.37 | Lanken | this is why /me is interested in contributing to documentation. :) |
| 07:42.47 | Jucato | O.o |
| 07:43.17 | Jucato | (or "I am"...) |
| 07:43.27 | gnulinuxman | There you go |
| 07:43.30 | PhilRod | "I am delurks..." :-) |
| 07:43.36 | gnulinuxman | that's what I'm known as on some sites |
| 07:43.39 | padde | then you don't get that nice * in front of the line |
| 07:43.40 | Lanken | originally the /me was at the beginning of the sentence. But I rephrased it to make it clearer. oops. |
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| 07:43.55 | Lanken | s/\/me/"\/me"/ |
| 07:44.08 | Lanken | sed commands with escaped slashes are great-looking :P |
| 07:44.32 | padde | Lanken: just take another delimiter for sed... for example | |
| 07:44.48 | Lanken | padde: but can IRC parse it? |
| 07:44.50 | Lanken | :P |
| 07:45.12 | Lanken | legal delimiters are /, |, and? |
| 07:45.18 | PhilRod | anything |
| 07:45.20 | padde | Lanken: anything |
| 07:45.22 | PhilRod | I use ',' |
| 07:45.32 | Jucato | hi PhilRod! :) |
| 07:45.39 | Lanken | ssoldsnews? |
| 07:45.45 | padde | i saw people using @ ... i mostly use | though |
| 07:46.00 | Lanken | I suppose if "anything" works, alphanumeric characters surely work right. |
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| 07:46.07 | padde | Lanken: then you have to escape the s ;) |
| 07:46.14 | Lanken | padde: what s? |
| 07:46.22 | padde | Lanken: the real one |
| 07:46.24 | PhilRod | hiya Jucato |
| 07:46.26 | Lanken | there was no real one. |
| 07:47.00 | gnulinuxman | padde: I have a friend who uses a backtick to give himself the nick "I`ll_Begin" |
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| 07:48.09 | Jucato | s/prostitute/substitute |
| 07:48.24 | Simeon_H | nah I meant prostitute |
| 07:48.44 | Simeon_H | well, what other reason could you have for leaving IRC besides getting laid? |
| 07:49.02 | Lanken | Jucato: sed: -e expression #1, char 23: unterminated `s' command |
| 07:49.13 | Jucato | lol |
| 07:49.15 | padde | echo bla | sed 'sb\bbcb' <- looks a bit like perl |
| 07:49.27 | Jucato | Lanken: I was about to say that I forgot a '/' :D |
| 07:49.53 | Lanken | :) |
| 07:50.05 | Lanken | Simeon_H: video games? |
| 07:50.11 | Simeon_H | oh yeah |
| 07:50.13 | Lanken | Simeon_H: drinking? |
| 07:50.14 | Simeon_H | nintendo ftw! |
| 07:50.32 | Lanken | Simeon_H: or to visit your mum. |
| 07:51.34 | padde | funny, this is the first time i'm reading the word 'hurl' ... |
| 07:51.53 | Jucato | I know 2 meanings of the word... wonder which one he meant.... |
| 07:51.55 | Jucato | :) |
| 07:54.13 | Jucato | ew! |
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| 07:54.55 | basanta | what is the default image editor in kde |
| 07:55.01 | basanta | ? |
| 07:55.05 | Lanken | basanta: kolourpaint |
| 07:55.32 | Lanken | it's much like MS Paint, but with usability improvements and added functionality |
| 07:55.37 | Lanken | it's a very nice light program, too. |
| 07:56.01 | basanta | Lanken, ok |
| 07:56.02 | Lanken | basanta: for more advanced image manipulation, there's krita |
| 07:56.24 | Simeon_H | or GIMP! |
| 07:56.50 | Lanken | basanta: it's true, the gimp is really useful. |
| 07:57.08 | basanta | Lanken, gimp is gtk no? |
| 07:57.12 | PhilRod | urgh, s,it's,its, |
| 07:58.02 | Lanken | basanta: yes, which is why I didn't mention it sooner. |
| 07:58.05 | Simeon_H | what's wrong with chars >:( |
| 07:59.01 | basanta | Lanken, I did aptitude search krita , why does it say image manupulating program for kde office suite? |
| 07:59.23 | PhilRod | Lanken: because that's what it is |
| 07:59.26 | basanta | Lanken, I am looking for something every equivalent to gimp |
| 07:59.32 | PhilRod | er, s/lanken/basanta/ |
| 07:59.40 | basanta | s/every/very |
| 07:59.41 | Lanken | basanta: it's considered part of koffice |
| 08:00.01 | Lanken | basanta: it's not inefficient to install it without the other components of koffice. |
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| 08:01.19 | Lanken | basanta: it's rather ahead of the rest of koffice (kword, kspread and kpresenter at least are pretty wretched as of 1.6) |
| 08:01.33 | padde | basanta: krita is not that mature though, and lacks a lot of features compared to the gimp |
| 08:02.14 | markey | krita++ |
| 08:03.00 | gnulinuxman | markey: But Krita doesn't do animation |
| 08:03.06 | padde | gimp is one of the few gtk programs i'm using on a regular basis ;) they should port it to Qt and give it a nicer interface :) |
| 08:03.06 | Lanken | basanta: I don't know of any linux user who uses absolutely no gtk apps. |
| 08:03.22 | Lanken | PhilOut: ^^ for you :) |
| 08:03.22 | basanta | Lanken, ok, so krita in kde as gimp in gnome right . |
| 08:03.40 | gnulinuxman | padde: But GTK is not the GNOME Tool Kit. It is the GIMP Tool Kit. :P |
| 08:04.01 | markey | it should have stayed there, really :p |
| 08:04.03 | basanta | Lanken, i am making in kde cd and I want to put less gtk packages as far as possible |
| 08:04.20 | gnulinuxman | GTK was written for the GIMP..... |
| 08:04.22 | Lanken | basanta: ah, in that case krita is definitely what you want. |
| 08:04.28 | padde | gnulinuxman: hrhr, right. but that doesn't mean they couldn't just port it to Qt anyway... screw GTK, GIMP moves on ;) |
| 08:04.42 | Lanken | basanta: if you've been able to eliminate gtk everywhere else, that is. |
| 08:05.10 | markey | gimp is a hopeless case. these guys have a twisted idea of what a good gui is |
| 08:05.19 | Lanken | padde: from what I've heard, krita promises a great deal of backend superiority over the gimp. |
| 08:05.20 | gnulinuxman | markey: But I'm used to the GIMP :P |
| 08:05.25 | markey | good for you |
| 08:05.38 | markey | I'm glad that I could get rid of it |
| 08:05.44 | Lanken | padde: so once krita is *there*, the only reason to keep using the gimp will be if you like its interface. |
| 08:06.04 | gnulinuxman | markey: But I use the GIMP primarily for animated GIFs. Krita can't handle GIFs at all on my computer. |
| 08:06.04 | basanta | Lanken, padde, PhilRod, gnulinuxman thanks guys |
| 08:06.05 | padde | Lanken: may be, but if it develops as slowly as the rest of koffice, it will be another five years until it's usable for even basic photo manipulation or something like that ;) |
| 08:06.12 | gnulinuxman | you're welcome, basanta |
| 08:07.02 | basanta | what about the image viewer, which one is the best? |
| 08:07.08 | Lanken | gawd I hate productivity suites. |
| 08:07.08 | markey | good question |
| 08:07.16 | gnulinuxman | gwenview |
| 08:07.18 | markey | I use gwenview, it's kinda OK |
| 08:07.18 | Lanken | basanta: gwenview |
| 08:07.30 | gnulinuxman | How the heck did a KDE app get away with starting with a G? |
| 08:07.36 | gnulinuxman | :D |
| 08:07.43 | basanta | Lanken, ok |
| 08:07.45 | Lanken | gnulinuxman: maybe it started out as a qt app? |
| 08:08.24 | padde | i used to use gwenview, switched to kuickshow though... but it's not configurable at all :( and development seems to have stopped |
| 08:08.34 | markey | kuickshow is good too |
| 08:08.37 | markey | simple |
| 08:08.45 | padde | but i had issues with gwenview, don't remember what it was... |
| 08:08.53 | basanta | ok |
| 08:08.56 | gnulinuxman | But Gwenview has those features I liked in Irfanview when I used Windows |
| 08:09.13 | Lanken | irfanview is a bit more than a viewer :) |
| 08:09.25 | markey | I liked acdsee in windows |
| 08:09.31 | markey | a bit bloated maybe |
| 08:09.47 | padde | i hated acdsee ;) |
| 08:09.51 | markey | :) |
| 08:10.13 | Lanken | I kind of wish Irfan would demote the "viewer" functionality. |
| 08:10.23 | nuu | i've been looking for a decent alternative to irfanview too |
| 08:10.23 | gnulinuxman | I've got a question though. Why does KDE handle MNG images as movies? |
| 08:10.25 | nuu | loved it |
| 08:10.57 | Lanken | nuu: supposedly, irfanview works flawlessly under wine. |
| 08:11.22 | padde | for the patch processing of irfanview i'm using some homebrew bash scripts + imagemagick now, and the viewer functionality is done by kuickshow... |
| 08:11.35 | padde | s/patch/batch/ |
| 08:11.48 | Lanken | padde: not "convert"? |
| 08:12.08 | padde | Lanken: convert is part of imagemagick |
| 08:12.08 | Lanken | or is convert a CLI frontend for imagemagick. |
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| 08:12.14 | nuu | Lanken: i know, but....:\ |
| 08:12.16 | Lanken | cool. |
| 08:12.21 | nuu | Lanken: i'm all for native :) |
| 08:12.23 | padde | imagemagick is a "suite" ;) |
| 08:12.35 | nuu | irfan initially developed his viewer for free |
| 08:12.43 | nuu | and even now, registration isn't really compulsory |
| 08:12.51 | nuu | i so wish he made the jump and ported his code to *nix |
| 08:13.26 | nuu | now that's one project i'd love to work on |
| 08:13.37 | Lanken | do you think if he opened it under a restrictive license, people would port it for him? |
| 08:13.38 | padde | tell him |
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| 08:14.25 | padde | perhaps he doesn't even know UN*X exists... or linux ;) |
| 08:14.30 | Lanken | padde: he gets that request a lot. I think he responds in his faq. |
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| 08:14.39 | padde | i see |
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| 08:16.37 | Lanken | padde: maybe not. His faq just says to use wine if you want it under linux. |
| 08:16.50 | Lanken | padde: I was probably confusing paint.NET with irfanview. |
| 08:17.09 | Lanken | padde: they definitely explain why they are windows-only in some documentation somewhere. |
| 08:17.10 | rajkt | kchmviewer, I can't press enter on a topic in the left hand side to open it.. why? |
| 08:17.21 | Lanken | (not that it takes much imagination to figure out why :) |
| 08:17.23 | padde | i hate people who make closed source apps... just hate them |
| 08:18.13 | Lanken | padde: wow, so you're not a big fan of moderation, then. |
| 08:19.13 | Lanken | I'm totally fine with proprietary apps for games and some other things. |
| 08:19.19 | padde | no, i just think they are stupid, and that's what i hate them for ;) |
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| 08:20.08 | Lanken | padde: some of them are smart and selfish. or smart and poor. |
| 08:20.49 | Lanken | :\ good night. |
| 08:21.18 | mrigns | n8 |
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| 08:31.21 | ma3x | why once I change resolutions, kde can't launch its stuff anymore? |
| 08:31.28 | ma3x | like kfmclient: ERROR: Couldn't start konqueror from konqueror.desktop: KDEInit could not launch 'konqueror'. |
| 08:31.49 | Lanken | mrigns: are you from Australia or perhaps NZ? |
| 08:32.05 | annma | ma3x: where do you change resolution? |
| 08:32.22 | ma3x | in kde ctrl+alt+-/+ |
| 08:32.27 | ma3x | or in kde cp |
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| 08:34.15 | wally345 | Which KDE4-package contains okular and ligature ? |
| 08:34.47 | annma | okular is in kdegraphics |
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| 08:36.04 | wally345 | annma: thx, ligature is not in the same package or you do not know actually ? |
| 08:36.05 | ma3x | annma did you get my reply? |
| 08:36.25 | annma | wally345: no idea, I don't have kdegraphics |
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| 08:36.34 | annma | wally345: use websvn to find it |
| 08:36.46 | annma | websvn.kde.org |
| 08:36.47 | annma | ma3x: ask your distro channel |
| 08:37.07 | wally345 | annma: ok, thx |
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| 08:38.22 | ma3x | annma it's a KDE issue |
| 08:38.30 | annma | is it? |
| 08:39.12 | Jucato | wally345: ligature is in kdegraphics. http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdegraphics/ligature/ |
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| 08:40.06 | annma | ma3x: what is your distro? |
| 08:40.14 | ma3x | annma debian etch |
| 08:40.57 | annma | <ma3x> or in kde cp what is cp? |
| 08:41.06 | ma3x | control panel |
| 08:41.08 | ma3x | or kc |
| 08:41.10 | Jucato | kcontrol |
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| 08:42.43 | annma | ask in #debian-kde it works perfectly well here |
| 08:43.09 | annma | I just switched |
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| 08:43.44 | annma | it never worked for you ma3x? |
| 08:44.02 | Lanken | ma3x: you might look into installing krandrtray |
| 08:44.14 | piztek | does anyone know how to update to lenny from etch? |
| 08:44.46 | annma | piztek: ask in #debian |
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| 08:45.13 | piztek | where do i get krandrtray |
| 08:45.18 | ma3x | Lanken what's that krandrtray? |
| 08:45.19 | ma3x | it's not available |
| 08:45.39 | piztek | what distro is it available with? |
| 08:45.47 | ma3x | i have debian |
| 08:45.52 | gnulinuxman | piztek: It's in every distro |
| 08:46.00 | piztek | oh |
| 08:46.02 | annma | it's in kdebase |
| 08:46.15 | piztek | it's the dock in tray option? |
| 08:46.18 | gnulinuxman | Every distro I've ever used has krandrtay |
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| 08:46.24 | gnulinuxman | krandrtray* |
| 08:46.27 | ma3x | ah I see it |
| 08:46.28 | mrigns | Lanken: I'm from Germany. Why did you ask? |
| 08:46.29 | gnulinuxman | man, that's hard to type |
| 08:46.36 | annma | it's the resize display |
| 08:46.49 | piztek | how do you auto-start kaffeine in minimal mode? |
| 08:46.53 | piztek | every time? |
| 08:46.58 | ma3x | once I resize, I'm unable to launch anything |
| 08:47.04 | Lanken | mrigns: as far as I know, 8 only rhymes with "night" under a vowell shift that's standard in australia. |
| 08:47.18 | gnulinuxman | piztek: If you want to do that, kaffeine -m |
| 08:47.20 | annma | ma3x: tehn don't resize |
| 08:47.33 | annma | just set the correct size in Xorg |
| 08:47.37 | piztek | gnulinuxman: where can I make a script for that? |
| 08:47.46 | annma | ma3x: it's mostly a X thing |
| 08:47.50 | gnulinuxman | piztek: Just edit the menu entry to run kaffeine -m instead of just kaffeine |
| 08:47.54 | annma | KDE is just a graphical thing |
| 08:48.03 | mrigns | Lanken: well 8 = acht in german and night is nacht ;P |
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| 08:48.09 | Lanken | mrigns: =o |
| 08:48.11 | piztek | gnulinuxman: but what if i just click a video file |
| 08:48.16 | Lanken | mrigns: I didn't think of that. |
| 08:48.25 | gnulinuxman | piztek: That should actually affect that too :) |
| 08:48.34 | gnulinuxman | piztek: since it's referring to that menu entry |
| 08:49.00 | piztek | awesome, thanks, ill see if it works |
| 08:49.46 | gnulinuxman | piztek: Let me know |
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| 08:50.01 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 08:50.12 | piztek | gnulinuxman: did not work |
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| 08:50.37 | gnulinuxman | piztek: Try logging out and back in, and come back here :) |
| 08:50.52 | gnulinuxman | Sometimes you have to do that to make it work |
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| 08:51.28 | gnulinuxman | sometimes it doesn't totally update the config until you log out and back in |
| 08:51.37 | piztek | okay, i'll try |
| 08:51.51 | rindolf | After I deleted all the .index(.ids|.sorted) files I get the following problem when starting kmail: http://rafb.net/p/VMov3l63.html |
| 08:52.28 | gnulinuxman | rindolf: Why did you do that? |
| 08:52.50 | rindolf | gnulinuxman: because kmail misplaced some messages. |
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| 08:53.00 | rindolf | gnulinuxman: so I wanted it to re-generate the indices. |
| 08:54.02 | piztek | kmail didn't save my message displace option |
| 08:54.20 | rindolf | piztek: what? |
| 08:54.20 | piztek | message disposition notification settings |
| 08:54.27 | piztek | mdn |
| 08:54.41 | piztek | kmail never saved my mdn settings |
| 08:55.08 | gnulinuxman | piztek: I thought you were going to try logging out and coming back |
| 08:55.09 | piztek | or i messed them up |
| 08:55.37 | piztek | this was weeks ago |
| 08:58.16 | gnulinuxman | ok...or you could just ignore me... |
| 08:59.20 | PhilOut | rindolf: I guess you best bet is to try to find the folder/message causing that crash. Alternatively, try upgrading to 3.5.7, which probably has several kmail bugfixes |
| 08:59.34 | rindolf | PhilOut: let me see. |
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| 09:00.15 | rindolf | PhilOut: kdepim-kmail-3.5.6-9mdv2007.1 |
| 09:00.19 | PhilOut | rindolf: if you can pick out the message causing the crash, and can get a debug-enabled backtrace, it's probably worth filing a bug report |
| 09:00.48 | PhilOut | rindolf: take a look at the 3.5.7 release announcement on www.kde.org - it'll link to the changelog, where you can see if there were any kmail bugfixes since 3.5.6 |
| 09:01.03 | gnulinuxman | PhilOut: I noticed a lot of speed improvements in Konqueror when I upgraded :D |
| 09:01.25 | gnulinuxman | also a few sites work better than they did |
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| 09:02.47 | rindolf | PhilOut: ok, there's 3.5.7 in the latest cooker. |
| 09:02.51 | rindolf | PhilOut: let me upgrade. |
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| 09:04.47 | Jucato | :) |
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| 09:05.24 | Simeon_H | but C rulz |
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| 09:05.51 | Simeon_H | unless you are talking about curses |
| 09:05.56 | Simeon_H | the display library thingy |
| 09:06.18 | PhilOut | 'if (strcmp(astring, "hello")) { printf("foo"); }' definitely didn't do what I expected |
| 09:06.28 | PhilOut | I mostly hate char* |
| 09:06.45 | Simeon_H | use scanf D: |
| 09:06.49 | Simeon_H | err *:D |
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| 09:10.12 | PhilOut | well, the problem is that strcmp returns 0 (ie, false in a boolean context) if the strings *match*. Kinda the opposite of what one would expect |
| 09:10.25 | PhilOut | well, that'll teach me to make assumptions |
| 09:10.33 | Jucato | :) |
| 09:10.38 | PhilOut | work time, really out |
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| 09:13.45 | rajkt | kchmviewer issue.. when I press enter on a topic, it is not displayed in right side.. any idea? |
| 09:14.09 | gnulinuxman | Jucato: I think I'm going to try to fix the sysinfo script for my computer :) |
| 09:14.20 | gnulinuxman | I do know some bourne scripting |
| 09:14.28 | Jucato | heheh good luck :) |
| 09:14.53 | gnulinuxman | The hard drive portion is done in awk, but I could fix it by rewriting it to use grep since I only have one partition |
| 09:15.03 | gnulinuxman | with data on it |
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| 09:16.21 | rajkt | can anyone help me with kchmviewer? even TAB does not seem to work normally.. |
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| 09:17.14 | zeldaII | what command would i use to have my computer shut off in x minutes |
| 09:17.15 | zeldaII | ? |
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| 09:20.34 | nuu | zeldaII: try "shutdown +x" |
| 09:20.39 | nuu | where x is the mins of courser |
| 09:20.41 | nuu | *course |
| 09:21.05 | nuu | refer to man shutdown for more infos |
| 09:21.21 | Matt001 | I think you may need to sudo shutdown |
| 09:21.48 | zeldaII | thanks |
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| 09:22.32 | Matt001 | zeldall: for help on shutdown type shutdown --help in a Konsole |
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| 09:23.09 | rindolf | PhilOut: thanks. |
| 09:24.02 | Firztspawn | just updated gentoo, now for some reason kcontrol no longer lets me set a screen res above 800x600 (the option isnt available for some reason) |
| 09:24.06 | Firztspawn | ideas? |
| 09:24.18 | Firztspawn | xorg.conf hasnt changed |
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| 09:29.29 | piztek | why do desktop icons not snap to grid at login? |
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| 09:30.45 | piztek | Firztspawn: wrong video card driver i would say |
| 09:31.52 | Firztspawn | IceD^; m using nvidia-legacy-drivers for a Ti4200 card |
| 09:32.00 | Firztspawn | piztek; * |
| 09:32.14 | piztek | try the non-legacy |
| 09:32.20 | Firztspawn | driver "nvidia" |
| 09:32.29 | piztek | try non-legacy |
| 09:32.46 | Firztspawn | legacy stopped working with this card months ago |
| 09:32.54 | meatron | hi I have a strange problem with kde 3.5.5 on gentoo, some czech fonts refuse to show, the system is utf-8, I use bitstream fonts and never had this problem before on other distros, any tips? thanks in advance |
| 09:32.56 | Firztspawn | non-legacy* |
| 09:33.36 | meatron | I already asked on #gentoo-kde but noone could really help me |
| 09:33.54 | piztek | then my only other guess would be to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and properly set the refresh rate |
| 09:34.22 | piztek | to max possibles for the hardware |
| 09:35.00 | meatron | It is just kde apps which have this problem, openoffice, opera etc work fine |
| 09:35.05 | basanta | meatron, i had a similar problem and i had to delete a font from /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc |
| 09:35.41 | meatron | basanta: you remember which one? |
| 09:35.45 | basanta | meatron, try moving all the fonts from /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc and see if your desired font if picked |
| 09:36.09 | basanta | meatron, its cu12....gz |
| 09:36.32 | meatron | thnaks, I'll give it a try |
| 09:37.07 | basanta | meatron, don't remove completely just move it to some safe place |
| 09:37.38 | meatron | wouldn't be enough to comment the line xorg.conf? |
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| 09:38.06 | basanta | meatron, no this path is mandatory, |
| 09:38.13 | meatron | ok |
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| 09:40.22 | meatron | well, X refused to start when I moved them |
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| 09:43.21 | meatron | I really don't understand, the bitstream vera font shows these fonts everywhere else but in kde |
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| 09:46.58 | piztek | how can i start kaffeine in minimal mode every time? |
| 09:47.50 | basanta | meatron, what I did was I tried removing the fonts alphabetically and narrowed down the search to find which font was giving problem and I would it was cu12.pcf.gz |
| 09:48.07 | basanta | meatron, but i think you case is different |
| 09:48.34 | meatron | basanta: I don't even have that font |
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| 09:48.45 | basanta | meatron, oh ok |
| 09:49.06 | meatron | I suspect it has to do something woth gentoo, the same version of kde on slackware ran ok |
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| 09:49.39 | meatron | but what, everything should be utf-8. |
| 09:50.22 | meatron | if the system is utf-8 then kde should be too right? |
| 09:50.32 | meatron | how can I find out? |
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| 09:51.27 | meatron | or asked in another way, how does kde 'decide' which encoding to use? |
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| 09:53.26 | ijk | how can I change the default font size for gtk apps in kde? they're just massively large them fonts. |
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| 09:55.38 | meatron | ijk: I think you set in .gtkrc |
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| 10:02.50 | AmyRose | Netsplit? |
| 10:02.52 | Jucato | yep |
| 10:02.52 | AmyRose | I had to reinstall Konversation because I fouled up the script and wasn't editing a copy |
| 10:02.52 | rajkt | anybody here is using kchmviewer? my TAB key does not work in it.. |
| 10:02.53 | Jucato | huh? why reinstall? |
| 10:02.53 | AmyRose | Jucato: To get the working script back >_> |
| 10:02.53 | AmyRose | I was too stupid to back it up when editing it |
| 10:02.54 | Jucato | er... you were editing the copy in /usr ? |
| 10:02.54 | AmyRose | yes |
| 10:02.55 | Jucato | well, you could have always mirrored the same script in ~/.kde :) |
| 10:02.56 | AmyRose | Yeah, I know, but I wasn't thinking |
| 10:02.56 | Jucato | and you could have also just downloaded the deb package for konvi, opened it up, and took the script from it :) |
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| 10:02.56 | AmyRose | Jucato: Marking it for reinstallation and hitting Apply was easier |
| 10:02.56 | Jucato | hehe |
| 10:03.04 | AmyRose | I'm a GUI addict when it comes to most things |
| 10:03.12 | Jucato | :P |
| 10:03.20 | AmyRose | though I sometimes like writing bash scripts |
| 10:03.20 | Jucato | it could all be done from the GUI (with Ark) |
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| 10:03.41 | AmyRose | Jucato: But like I said, marking it for reinstallation was easier |
| 10:03.52 | AmyRose | Slower, but easier |
| 10:04.01 | Jucato | hm.. then you would probably like Kommander. GUI+Scripting right? :) |
| 10:04.27 | AmyRose | Never tried it |
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| 10:06.26 | rajkt | AmyRose: actually in kchmviewer I dont need the TAB key, but when I press"Enter" in the left hand side topics page, the topic is not changed.. |
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| 10:09.14 | AmyRose | rajkt: I've used kchmviewer many times before |
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| 10:10.01 | Stalwart | aseigo, how's your last name pronounced? |
| 10:10.19 | Stalwart | like "seego"? |
| 10:10.31 | AmyRose | rajkt: I'm downloading a chm and will try to help you out, OK? |
| 10:11.20 | Simeon_H | I used Xchm :P |
| 10:11.28 | Simeon_H | it was crusty <3 |
| 10:11.45 | AmyRose | Oh yeah, kchmviewer is much better |
| 10:12.11 | alex[slx] | I've recently installed a bunch of 'dodgy' KDE themes that don't work, and when I go to remove them, I can't! |
| 10:12.14 | alex[slx] | why? |
| 10:12.20 | AmyRose | rajkt: OK, I can't figure out what you mean |
| 10:12.37 | Jucato | alex[slx]: how did you install them? |
| 10:12.40 | AmyRose | rajkt: do you mean that it doesn't go to the highlighted topic when you hit Enter? |
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| 10:13.24 | alex[slx] | Jucato: .kth files, used the Theme Manager to Import them |
| 10:13.25 | AmyRose | Simeon_H: The thing I like about kchmviewer is that it seems to be the only CHM viewer on 'nix that uses a REAL HTML rendering engine and not a hack |
| 10:15.59 | tuxick | isn't it logical to first convert it to html? |
| 10:16.21 | AmyRose | tuxick: Huh? |
| 10:16.37 | AmyRose | Why would you have to convert it if we have kchmviewer? |
| 10:17.37 | tuxick | you said it uses a html rendering engine :) |
| 10:17.49 | Simeon_H | hellls yeah |
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| 10:18.34 | AmyRose | tuxick: Internally chmlib converts it for the viewer |
| 10:18.45 | AmyRose | (I think) |
| 10:19.05 | AmyRose | If I remember correctly, chm files are actually archives that contain a bunch of html files |
| 10:19.19 | AmyRose | and other stuff |
| 10:19.37 | AmyRose | and chmlib unpacks them so a viewer can display them |
| 10:22.27 | tuxick | naw, chm isn't html, it's MS :) |
| 10:22.36 | tuxick | but it's similar of course |
| 10:22.54 | alex[slx] | Jucato: any ideas? |
| 10:23.09 | AmyRose | tuxick: OK, it's got MSHTML files in it. :P |
| 10:23.21 | AmyRose | tuxick: Happy? |
| 10:23.26 | tuxick | \o/ |
| 10:23.28 | meatron | Hi again, I asked half an hour ago about kde not showing some czech characters, and concluded that it should be a gentoo issue because on slack it works. |
| 10:23.33 | tuxick | well, they like to call it .HTM |
| 10:23.36 | meatron | well it doesn't |
| 10:23.53 | Jucato | alex[slx]: nope. you can't delete them manually? try searching in ~/.kde/share/apps ? |
| 10:23.55 | AmyRose | tuxick: That's what I said: MSHTML files. :P |
| 10:23.57 | meatron | I just never realized it because I wasn't using kmail and kopete |
| 10:23.59 | tuxick | meatron: maybe you just don't have the font installed? |
| 10:24.05 | alex[slx] | Jucato: just did that... sorry to bother you |
| 10:24.07 | alex[slx] | I fixed it |
| 10:24.09 | meatron | I do, it is bitstream |
| 10:24.23 | meatron | and works in openoffice, opera etc. |
| 10:24.45 | meatron | it is just 2 or 3 czech characters |
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| 10:24.51 | meatron | the rest works fine |
| 10:25.12 | meatron | The system is utf-8 |
| 10:25.27 | meatron | I really have no idea why it doesn't work |
| 10:25.50 | meatron | probably the easiest solution is to use thunderbird and kopete again |
| 10:25.57 | meatron | gaim I mean |
| 10:26.01 | meatron | which is a pity |
| 10:26.16 | meatron | because I liked the way kmail and kopete integrate |
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| 10:26.24 | dromer | how can I reset the Special Application Settings of KDE for a specific program? (ktorrent in this case) |
| 10:26.28 | dromer | I kinda messd up and now I can't access these settings from the windowbar |
| 10:27.08 | Jucato | dromer: missng menu bar? (File, Edit, etc.)? |
| 10:27.34 | dromer | Jucato: hmm, no, I mean the border of the window |
| 10:27.48 | Jucato | ah, Alt+F3 brings up the window menu |
| 10:27.55 | dromer | to configure window behaviour etc. |
| 10:28.18 | dromer | Jucato: no |
| 10:28.41 | dromer | Jucato: doesn't work |
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| 10:29.26 | Jucato | dromer: KControl -> Desktop -> Window Specific Settings ? |
| 10:30.01 | dromer | Jucato: yeah thanks! :D |
| 10:30.07 | dromer | I couldn't find it before |
| 10:30.10 | dromer | -duh- |
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| 10:51.44 | jamiel_ | Hey all, If I have a KDE session open for over a few hours, when I end my session I am faced with just a black screen and an underscore. No keys work so I am forced to reboot. is this X falling over? |
| 10:52.38 | jamiel_ | Gentoo with KDE 3.5.2 |
| 10:53.11 | dddddd | i have DesktopBSD |
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| 10:53.35 | dddddd | with KDE |
| 10:57.04 | annma | jamiel_: is tehre a screensaver set? |
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| 10:58.16 | jamiel_ | annma, yes |
| 10:58.36 | annma | does the screensaver appear at some point? |
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| 11:09.30 | rajkt | AmyRose: sorry, I was away.. yes, kchmviewer doesn't go to the highlighted topic when you hit Enter? |
| 11:10.14 | rajkt | AmyRose: can you see that behaviour as well? |
| 11:10.21 | AmyRose | Yes, and it's a UI design |
| 11:10.57 | rajkt | AmyRose: ok, but is there anyway I can press some key and go that topic? |
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| 11:11.38 | rajkt | I hat to use mouse for such things... |
| 11:13.01 | AmyRose | rajkt: I don't think so :( |
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| 11:51.44 | Shirakawasuna | gnulinuxman: like what? |
| 11:52.53 | gnulinuxman | Shirakawasuna: The cursor blink speed |
| 11:53.02 | gnulinuxman | I like to set it to 2000ms |
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| 11:53.43 | Shirakawasuna | wow, you're weird :) |
| 11:53.59 | gnulinuxman | Shirakawasuna: For wanting the cursor to stay lit for a second and then go off for a second? |
| 11:54.00 | Shirakawasuna | at least you have qtconfig |
| 11:54.12 | gnulinuxman | yeah |
| 11:54.25 | Shirakawasuna | mine seems to blink about that fast |
| 11:54.29 | gnulinuxman | but configuring the cursor blinking in GTK apps requires some obscure GTK setting |
| 11:54.41 | Shirakawasuna | yay, gconf |
| 11:54.46 | Shirakawasuna | everyone's favorite Cf |
| 11:54.46 | gnulinuxman | Shirakawasuna: GCONF?! |
| 11:55.04 | gnulinuxman | gconf has NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on GTK settings in KDE |
| 11:55.56 | Shirakawasuna | iirc you can edit some gtk settings w/ it in addition to gnome settings, but meh |
| 11:57.21 | gnulinuxman | Shirakawasuna: Yes, in GTK and XFCE. |
| 11:57.24 | gnulinuxman | but not KDE |
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| 11:57.36 | gnulinuxman | GNOME and XFCE* |
| 11:57.46 | Ace2016 | hi all |
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| 11:59.32 | Shirakawasuna | gnulinuxman: yes, and? ;) |
| 12:00.41 | gnulinuxman | Shirakawasuna: Uh, I was saying your GConf suggestion does nothing on KDE. I use KDE, which is why this matters. |
| 12:01.02 | Shirakawasuna | gnulinuxman: you were talking about GTK when I made that comment |
| 12:01.13 | Shirakawasuna | and I was joking, sheesh |
| 12:03.14 | tuxick | why does konqueror show blank page while loading all 200 images? |
| 12:03.31 | tuxick | i first thought it was only on badly written sites, but it seems to do this always |
| 12:03.41 | annma | tuxick: what URL? |
| 12:03.45 | tuxick | of course a site that needs 200 images is bad already |
| 12:04.06 | tuxick | annma: oh, just sourceforge.net will do |
| 12:04.19 | annma | sourceforge.net? |
| 12:04.25 | annma | it has 200 pictures? |
| 12:04.29 | tuxick | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.43 | annma | and konq stays blank? |
| 12:04.55 | tuxick | yup, until last image is downloaded |
| 12:05.02 | annma | ah not there |
| 12:05.04 | tuxick | it does that on pretty much every site |
| 12:05.13 | annma | it shows progress in statusbar |
| 12:05.14 | tuxick | maybe a config thing? |
| 12:05.15 | tuxick | ye |
| 12:05.41 | annma | but stuff appears before 100% |
| 12:05.57 | Shirakawasuna | tuxick: that's just how it works, it's annoying |
| 12:06.21 | Shirakawasuna | tuxick: sometimes slow speeds can occur due to ipv6, you may want to disable it to make konqueror work better |
| 12:06.43 | annma | it's pretty fast for sf actually today |
| 12:06.45 | tuxick | annma: not here |
| 12:06.55 | tuxick | well maybe at 98% or so |
| 12:07.05 | tuxick | but most of the time i end up looking at a white window |
| 12:07.07 | annma | those are not big pics |
| 12:07.18 | tuxick | i'm pretty sure it was different like 2 years ago |
| 12:07.25 | annma | you might have a look on your ipv6 settings as said Shirakawasuna |
| 12:07.33 | tuxick | i'm not using ipv6 |
| 12:07.42 | tuxick | i'm using squid though :) |
| 12:07.56 | annma | some settings probably |
| 12:08.02 | tuxick | and connection speed is not relevant anyway |
| 12:08.04 | annma | what sort of connection? |
| 12:08.08 | tuxick | adsl |
| 12:08.10 | tuxick | but still |
| 12:08.17 | Shirakawasuna | same here, that sourceforge page loads in a couple of seconds |
| 12:08.23 | annma | well I have 1Mb only and it's really fast |
| 12:08.30 | tuxick | that's not the point |
| 12:08.32 | Shirakawasuna | 1.5 Mb here |
| 12:08.32 | annma | for a sf page |
| 12:08.43 | Shirakawasuna | and it loads 'dynamically' |
| 12:08.45 | tuxick | the point is that konq seems to wait with rendering until it fetched all images |
| 12:08.50 | annma | tuxick: I can only say what happens for me on my compiled KDE |
| 12:08.57 | Shirakawasuna | I use arch |
| 12:09.05 | Shirakawasuna | (binary packages) |
| 12:09.17 | annma | stuff appears BEFORE the last red image (the biggest) is shown |
| 12:09.40 | Shirakawasuna | konqueror does have a less 'dynamic' way of loading pages, though |
| 12:09.56 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 12:09.57 | Shirakawasuna | firefox and opera will begin displaying pages far before ones laden with images will in konqeuror |
| 12:10.05 | Ace2016 | when kicker crashes how do i reload it? |
| 12:10.05 | Shirakawasuna | which is annoying, since khtml is faster |
| 12:10.07 | annma | I retried and indeed it renders the page before the last pic is shown |
| 12:10.16 | annma | Ace2016: kicker & |
| 12:10.16 | Ace2016 | oh alt+f2 kicker did it |
| 12:10.18 | Ace2016 | thanks |
| 12:10.21 | Shirakawasuna | annma: but it doesn't render until ~70-150 are loaded ;) |
| 12:10.48 | annma | Shirakawasuna: yes but this page is quite quick |
| 12:11.01 | annma | on this page you cannot do the difference here |
| 12:11.19 | Shirakawasuna | there's a little one, not that huge, though |
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| 12:12.03 | annma | oh it's real worse on Firefox!!! |
| 12:12.13 | Shirakawasuna | Ace2016: another tip: if say kwin dies, to restart a command from another VT (ctrl+alt+F1 for instance), type DISPLAY=:0 <command> (like kwin) |
| 12:12.31 | annma | on Firefox I could "see" that it does not render anything for a few secs |
| 12:12.58 | annma | tuxick: try in Firefox |
| 12:13.01 | Shirakawasuna | opera does the best |
| 12:13.11 | gnulinuxman | Shirakawasuna: This page was very helpful though: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/GtkSettings.html |
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| 12:16.50 | Ace2016 | Shirakawasuna: thanks |
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| 12:19.30 | soon | I need a small programme to play a simple ogg sound file (Amarok is WAY overkill) - can you recommend any programme that can be executed from cli? |
| 12:19.59 | Shirakawasuna | mplayer works but isn't exactly small |
| 12:20.16 | straw | ogg123 |
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| 12:21.02 | soon | thanks ... Ill look at ogg123 |
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| 12:23.19 | soon | Ahh YES! ogg123 is just the thing ! THX! |
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| 12:23.31 | torron | why |
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| 12:26.58 | daum | with kfrb is there a way to set it to allow the sessiont o expire not after only one hour |
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| 12:30.45 | torron | why |
| 12:31.04 | daum | because i want to connect to my desktop via krfb but it might be in more than n hour? |
| 12:31.09 | jamiel_ | annma, sorry for the delay in response ... But yes, the screensaver does appear at some point in between when this happens. I am using xlock which I think uses xscreensaver. |
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| 12:32.54 | torron | why |
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| 12:35.24 | tango_ | hello all. a question on kaddressbook, feel free to redirect me to more appropriate places. I'm running 3.5.7 (but 3.5.6 had the same problem) as shipped by debian, and I cannot use the LDAP server here at my university because it has a self signed certificate in the chain. |
| 12:35.51 | torron | why |
| 12:37.40 | tango_ | from the command line, if I try to run for example "openssl s_client -connect dmi.unict.it:636 -showcerts" indeed I get a return code of 19 from the certificate verification. However, on the command line I can add -CApath /etc/ssl/certs (where I installed the university certificate), and the verification return code is then 0 (valid). |
| 12:37.54 | tango_ | how can I tell kaddressbook to use those certificates? |
| 12:38.19 | tango_ | I've also installed the university certificate in kleopatra |
| 12:40.35 | tango_ | brb |
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| 12:52.13 | kaustav | Hello everybody.... |
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| 12:54.06 | tsb | How do you configure shared samba folders in kde? |
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| 12:59.33 | lynxlynxlynx | hi |
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| 13:00.03 | YodaYoda | tsb: ksamba exists but I have never used it. |
| 13:00.16 | tsb | YodaYoda: thanks. I found a bit about it in kcontrol |
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| 13:01.54 | wally345 | is it possible to read PDF-docs with the actual kde4-okular (okular v 0.5.82 on kde4 3.90.1) ? |
| 13:02.13 | tsb | usemanagment apparent does not work however - if I add a user, click ok and go back again, it isn't there anymore. |
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| 13:03.49 | annma | tsb: ask your distro channel |
| 13:04.57 | lynxlynxlynx | unexpected problems with compiling kdepim 3.5.7; configure doesn't find funopen and then an #error breaks the build saying "No known way to implement funopen.". It looks like it is related to gnupg (I have 1.4.7 and no gpgme) or the update of it in kdepim |
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| 13:06.06 | DeeTahPanLtah | hi guys |
| 13:06.13 | DeeTahPanLtah | i've got a really weird bug |
| 13:06.27 | DeeTahPanLtah | all the QT apps have lost all kinds of their icons |
| 13:06.38 | DeeTahPanLtah | on toolbars, the "jumping" ones while the app's loading... |
| 13:07.07 | lynxlynxlynx | how is that a kde problem? :) |
| 13:07.13 | annma | lynxlynxlynx: compiling from kde tarballs or distro compiling like Gentoo? |
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| 13:07.36 | lynxlynxlynx | annma: in between, i'm packaging it from source |
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| 13:07.44 | DeeTahPanLtah | lynxlynxlynx: erm, it happened after changing a theme and reverting it to the old one |
| 13:07.52 | annma | so your dependencies are wrong |
| 13:08.02 | annma | lynxlynxlynx: you need devel packages |
| 13:08.35 | annma | lynxlynxlynx: did you package 3.5.6 ? |
| 13:08.48 | lynxlynxlynx | yes |
| 13:09.04 | lynxlynxlynx | devel of what? My system is pretty up to date |
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| 13:10.08 | annma | paste error i a pastebin with last compiling line please |
| 13:10.26 | lynxlynxlynx | ok |
| 13:10.27 | CrippsFX | how do I use the "hot corners" in kde? I set my top left to lock screen, and my top right to prevent screen locking, but there is no "help" button on the advanced options to tell me what I'm supposed to use to activate the corner. |
| 13:11.10 | annma | lynxlynxlynx: I have to go so please do it now |
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| 13:11.19 | lynxlynxlynx | http://phpfi.com/236321 |
| 13:11.30 | lynxlynxlynx | not really useful |
| 13:11.51 | annma | uh? |
| 13:12.01 | lynxlynxlynx | the output i mean |
| 13:12.13 | lynxlynxlynx | i'll go check what configure does to find it |
| 13:12.27 | annma | you could have paste the folder it is in |
| 13:12.39 | annma | not very useful as you did not put much |
| 13:12.52 | Mek | I guess it is http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdepim/libkdenetwork/libgpgme-copy/gpgme/funopen.c?revision=640120&view=markup ? |
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| 13:13.10 | CrippsFX | annma: he put more in than you asked him for (at least what you asked after I came in). |
| 13:13.21 | lynxlynxlynx | http://phpfi.com/236322 |
| 13:13.40 | lynxlynxlynx | CrippsFX: yeah, two wrapped lines ;) |
| 13:13.43 | CrippsFX | semantics my friend :) |
| 13:13.59 | Tomasu | hmm, dot.kde.org seems broken for me :( |
| 13:14.00 | lynxlynxlynx | the internal gpgme copy |
| 13:14.03 | CrippsFX | lynxlynxlynx: yep. You just did what you were told :) |
| 13:14.45 | lynxlynxlynx | Tomasu: doesn't work for me this instant too |
| 13:14.59 | Tomasu | its been like that since last night for me. |
| 13:15.05 | Tomasu | just timing out. |
| 13:15.17 | Tomasu | I hope theres nothing seriously wrong. just a /.ing or something |
| 13:15.19 | annma | lynxlynxlynx: what gpg version do you have?* |
| 13:15.28 | lynxlynxlynx | ./ effect on the 3.5.7 news? |
| 13:15.36 | lynxlynxlynx | annma: 1.4.7 |
| 13:15.51 | lynxlynxlynx | Tomasu: heh |
| 13:15.58 | annma | gpgme version? |
| 13:16.02 | lynxlynxlynx | not installed |
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| 13:16.13 | annma | you need 1.5 maybe |
| 13:16.29 | annma | please check the requirement pqge |
| 13:16.31 | annma | page |
| 13:16.50 | sabayonuser_ | 070657 |
| 13:16.50 | Skrot- | The dot seems to be sick :| |
| 13:17.10 | lynxlynxlynx | annma: that page lists > 1.2 |
| 13:17.35 | annma | the link Mek pasted seems to say otherwise |
| 13:18.20 | lynxlynxlynx | it mentions libgpg-error |
| 13:18.39 | lynxlynxlynx | that's a different thing, i'll try installing it |
| 13:19.08 | annma | what does configure say? |
| 13:19.36 | annma | CrippsFX: it's just quicker if he puts more |
| 13:19.41 | annma | no need to make a fuss |
| 13:20.10 | lynxlynxlynx | configure says no when searching for it |
| 13:20.13 | annma | fortunately Mek has the speed of light support |
| 13:20.29 | Mek | nah, just google :P |
| 13:20.29 | annma | lynxlynxlynx: does configure say you miss something? |
| 13:20.31 | lynxlynxlynx | i'll try with this new thing installed |
| 13:21.05 | lynxlynxlynx | gpgsm |
| 13:21.20 | annma | hmmm if configure fails you should report it |
| 13:21.29 | lynxlynxlynx | but that is just a warning |
| 13:21.47 | lynxlynxlynx | and the funopen it is just ... no; not a real failure |
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| 13:21.57 | annma | it says something won't be built then? |
| 13:22.06 | annma | not the funopen part? |
| 13:22.37 | annma | I don't have gpgsm |
| 13:22.37 | lynxlynxlynx | yes, kmobile and such, but that is due to other things |
| 13:22.50 | lynxlynxlynx | what about libgpg-error? |
| 13:23.24 | annma | libgpg-error0-devel-1.3-1mdv2007.0 |
| 13:23.31 | lynxlynxlynx | i don't know why i'd need it, kdepim contains an internal copy |
| 13:23.37 | lynxlynxlynx | but i'll try |
| 13:23.42 | lynxlynxlynx | thanks for the help so far |
| 13:23.50 | annma | it seems a dependency for libgpg to me |
| 13:24.00 | lynxlynxlynx | libgpg-error |
| 13:24.03 | annma | because I would not have installed it alone |
| 13:24.04 | annma | yes |
| 13:24.50 | annma | not sure of that but it looks logical |
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| 13:25.22 | lynxlynxlynx | currently compiling kdenetwork, will see later |
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| 13:26.45 | annma | have to go |
| 13:26.45 | annma | good luck |
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| 13:27.25 | Dunedan | hm, is dot.kde.org down atm? |
| 13:27.50 | Mek | it seems like it is... |
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| 13:33.18 | mart81 | anyone know a binary playing tool for ogg vorbis which doesn't need an installation AND can play ogg vorbis? |
| 13:33.34 | mart81 | for windows that is... (is for website) |
| 13:34.14 | Zaba | heh |
| 13:34.20 | Zaba | it's kde as far as i can read |
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| 13:35.47 | mart81 | myeah, sorry, got to know |
| 13:37.26 | kramed | fobar2000 is a good player |
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| 13:39.38 | mart81 | i agree, but normal users need to be able to use it too.... but maybe i am in a wrong room for it. |
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| 13:43.20 | tuxick | what's a 'normal user' ? |
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| 13:50.23 | Skrot- | troy: Same here |
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| 13:54.09 | troy | Skrot-: thanks :) I have a typo in the blurb to my story which I need fixed, but at least no one can read it right now *grins* |
| 13:54.24 | Skrot- | I just read it ;) |
| 13:54.43 | troy | Skrot-: d'oh! Konsole has been around since KDE 1.0, and the blurb says 2.0 |
| 13:54.51 | Skrot- | Oh =) |
| 13:55.17 | troy | I even have a screenshot from the 1.x series - so hopefully people will figure it out... |
| 13:55.45 | troy | if you can get through, can you post a comment to that effect? |
| 13:55.46 | Skrot- | Yeah, it acctually says KDE 1.x over the picture as well :) |
| 13:55.59 | Skrot- | No response now |
| 13:56.05 | troy | me neither |
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| 13:56.27 | troy | maybe I killed the server with the screenies? |
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| 13:57.03 | monzie | can someone tell me how to enable xdmcp in kdm? |
| 13:57.07 | Skrot- | I somehow doubt that's the problem :) |
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| 14:00.40 | troy | Skrot-: the dot is hosted for free by some linux lab in oregon (think it's the same one that pays Linus) - but even they probably have limits on their bandwidth... maybe we just hit our monthly quota or something... |
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| 14:01.00 | Skrot- | hum |
| 14:01.08 | miausX | Hi :) |
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| 14:03.03 | miausX | lol |
| 14:07.32 | miausX | Excuse me, but is there any distribution best suited to devel with qt? I'm running PCLinuxOS at the moment, just curious :) |
| 14:09.26 | miausX | Maybe is Kubuntu a better option? It always has the latest KDE stable version... Any advice? |
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| 14:10.27 | smileaf | use whatever distro you prefer. |
| 14:12.35 | tuxick | even debian stable has a kde from this century now |
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| 14:12.45 | miausX | hehe, ok thanks :) |
| 14:13.04 | tuxick | but if you want a kde desktop i'd say go for kubuntu |
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| 14:13.53 | miausX | tuxick, aha, I'll try it |
| 14:14.52 | miausX | lol |
| 14:15.03 | troy | for development, that is |
| 14:15.22 | troy | for users on the other hand, kubuntu is quite reasonable |
| 14:15.31 | miausX | troy, pacman -Sy kde? :D |
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| 14:16.09 | smileaf | miausX: one of the greatest commands there is in arch ;) |
| 14:16.19 | troy | that said, use whatever makes you feel happy :) |
| 14:16.21 | miausX | smileaf, yeah it is ^^ |
| 14:16.23 | lynxlynxlynx | smileaf: that would be sad then |
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| 14:16.42 | smileaf | lynxlynxlynx: what would? |
| 14:17.07 | lynxlynxlynx | if pacman -Sy kde was one of the greatest commands |
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| 14:17.32 | smileaf | lynxlynxlynx: when getting a new arch system setup it is. =p |
| 14:17.32 | miausX | well, I think it's important to stay in sync with the latest KDE stable version... So Kubuntu or Arch are good candidates (sorry, my English sucks) |
| 14:17.47 | benJIman | openSUSE have more up to date kde4 packages. |
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| 14:18.01 | benJIman | and they're not patched. |
| 14:18.12 | smileaf | benJIman: if your developing tho I'd think it'd be better to use svn ;) |
| 14:18.22 | benJIman | smileaf: they are built for you from svn every couple of days. |
| 14:18.26 | lynxlynxlynx | he wants to do qt, so i don't see much relevance in the kde version the distro provides |
| 14:18.27 | troy | smileaf: I agree :) |
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| 14:19.37 | troy | benJIman: personally, I'm pro Suse but anti-novell - which creates an internal conflict I'd rather avoid - so I suse ends up losing out because of it |
| 14:20.06 | benJIman | troy: I take it you also avoid using KDE due to its development being sponsored by novell? |
| 14:20.10 | miausX | benJIman, I see... well, I was interested in the latest stable version, not really in kde4... but thanks anyway :) |
| 14:20.14 | benJIman | better not use the linux kernel or openoffice either. |
| 14:20.23 | benJIman | miausX: well they have those too |
| 14:20.27 | tuxick | megalosoft will sue you! |
| 14:20.52 | troy | benJIman: nope :P sponsorship is fine, as those developers are wonderful people, and in my mind, it's almost like they're taking advantage of novell for KDE's gain :) |
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| 14:21.20 | troy | benJIman: strange way of looking at it I guess |
| 14:21.25 | benJIman | troy: it's the same with opensuse then |
| 14:21.55 | benJIman | novell employ developers to work on opensuse, they employ developers to work on the kernel, they employ developers to work on kde |
| 14:21.57 | troy | benJIman: opensuse is taking advantage of novell for their own gain :P yeah, I can accept that argument :) |
| 14:22.58 | smileaf | is the dot down? |
| 14:23.11 | Skrot- | seems so |
| 14:23.16 | benJIman | Being anti-novell is a rather odd position anyway, given that they employ more kde developers than anyone other than trolltech. |
| 14:23.18 | troy | benJIman: I'm not anti opensuse, in fact I support them, but I'm just a little shy of it because of novell being its big brother, so to speak. Additionally, for KDE 3.x packages, they are far from 'virgin' :) |
| 14:23.31 | benJIman | troy: yes all those nasty improvements |
| 14:23.58 | tuxick | and novell has a deal with MS |
| 14:24.10 | benJIman | tuxick: so |
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| 14:24.17 | tuxick | so they can happily go along with patent FUD |
| 14:24.28 | troy | benJIman: improvements in some cases yes, which should have happened upstream. in other cases, creating support problems since things have changed so much between it and the standard kde packages... |
| 14:24.32 | benJIman | tuxick: so do many of the big companies which contribute heavily to free softare |
| 14:24.41 | smileaf | making a deal with MS isn't really like being infected with the demon virus. |
| 14:24.43 | benJIman | troy: they can't happen upstream when it's frozen |
| 14:24.56 | benJIman | tuxick: and their view on the patent issue is very clear |
| 14:24.57 | tuxick | this deal was about possibly software patent issues |
| 14:25.09 | tuxick | which is FUD already |
| 14:25.12 | helfrez | please lets not start a novell is evil for workin gwith M$ argument today |
| 14:25.15 | benJIman | tuxick: it was primarily about distribution rights to suse and technical colaboration |
| 14:25.23 | tuxick | that's just fine of course |
| 14:25.30 | troy | anyway, gotta go. cheers folks :) |
| 14:25.34 | benJIman | There is the standard won't sue each others customers clause to, for which microsoft is paying novell a lot of money. |
| 14:25.38 | Jejem | it's a GOOD thing that M$ works with Novell. |
| 14:25.51 | miausX | bye troy :) |
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| 14:30.05 | miausX | well... It seems Arch has the most virgin packages, but is a bit harder to set up (less newbie friendly)... in the other side are Kubuntu and OpenSUSE, both with packages with improvements and more user friendly. All three have the latest KDE version. Is that correct guys? |
| 14:31.04 | lynxlynxlynx | most likely |
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| 14:32.01 | miausX | lynxlynxlynx, ok, thanks. Correct me if I'm wrong :) |
| 14:35.10 | Alethes | kubuntu updates every 6 months, so now that 3.5.7 has been released, kubuntu won't have that until October, I would assume |
| 14:35.37 | Alethes | which would be strange since 4.0 is out then |
| 14:35.43 | lynxlynxlynx | i'm sure they have devel branches |
| 14:36.02 | lynxlynxlynx | and perhaps kde will be backported |
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| 14:36.55 | miausX | "KDE 3.5.7 Released with Kubuntu Packages", but a few lines later it says "These packages are not well supported. Security and other updates may not be applied promptly." :) |
| 14:41.17 | Sho_ | plus there's no PPC :/ |
| 14:41.41 | Sho_ | benJIman: Will 10.3 still support PPC? |
| 14:43.07 | apokryphos | Sho_: yes |
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| 14:43.08 | benJIman | Sho_: afaik |
| 14:43.39 | benJIman | Sho_: at present there are no build service packages for ppc though. I hear rumours some company is donating hardware for them to provide PPC build facilities |
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| 14:59.12 | Sho_ | apokryphos, benJIman: thanks |
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| 15:00.19 | MrGrim- | gemidjy: I would too if that happened to me... |
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| 15:01.11 | Linracoon | many times when i run konqueror as root and double click to open a text file i get this; KDEINIT could not launch 'kwrite', anyone knows why? |
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| 15:04.48 | smileaf | kwrite isn't in your root's path? |
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| 15:05.42 | cbr | is the dot unreachable? |
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| 15:06.41 | Linracoon | smileaf: its only sometimes that this happens |
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| 15:14.29 | hibread | Is there an extremely simple applet that allows me to browse my file system at the click of a button? Something like the Universal Sidebar, but far simpler. Once i click a file to open it, the menu dissapears... that type of thing |
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| 15:16.03 | wolsni | hibread: the directory browser applet for kicker should be what you want |
| 15:16.06 | hibread | Dang. Its called Quick File Browser :) exactly what i want |
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| 15:47.43 | lucky_lucas | hi |
| 15:48.15 | lucky_lucas | does anyone knows about grammar checking in kde4 ? |
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| 15:52.07 | yess | lucky_lucas: You mean the sonnet library? |
| 15:52.16 | lucky_lucas | yes |
| 15:52.33 | lucky_lucas | if it has the grammar checking enabled |
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| 15:54.45 | yess | As far as I know it will be plugin-based. So it depends if there's a grammar plugin for your language. |
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| 16:09.47 | slapierre | Question : I tried the gentoo experience and installed my favorite kde apps under Xfce. I cannot change the fonts of the menus... is there a way to do this without installing the control-center? |
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| 16:10.48 | lynxlynxlynx | you can hand edit the config files under ~/.kde |
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| 16:11.26 | slapierre | thanks linx^3, i'll check this out! |
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| 16:17.01 | jpnurmi | what's up with konqueror + gmail? i updated to 3.5.7 and cleaned up cookies but it still doesn't seem to work correctly |
| 16:17.23 | jpnurmi | it was working smoot after cleaning up cookies, but after reboot i get an empty screen and the address bar shows: http://mail.google.com/mail/?ik=xxxxxxxxxx&http://mail.google.com/mail/=&rtm=xxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 16:17.34 | MinceR | gmail sucking is what's up with it |
| 16:17.57 | MinceR | obviously, w3c standards mean nothing to them |
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| 16:28.54 | Mek | yeah.. it has had more responsive times... |
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| 16:46.27 | en1gma | sup all |
| 16:47.51 | en1gma | i have a problem with "'KM-menu>settings>Internet and Network>Network Settings" |
| 16:48.02 | en1gma | what file does it write to |
| 16:48.41 | lynxlynxlynx | perhaps lsof could help |
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| 16:49.18 | en1gma | what? |
| 16:49.36 | en1gma | i know ls -l |
| 16:49.46 | lynxlynxlynx | wait a sec |
| 16:49.57 | slapierre | re : I installed my favorite kde apps under Xfce. I cannot change the fonts of the menus... is there a way to do this without installing the control-center? -- I've browsed through the ./kde/config files and didn't find anything related |
| 16:50.49 | peh | some Konqueror-issues I havn't been able to solve for a friend: apparently Google Image Search stops loading thumbnails after a few pages of results. Any ideas? Also, logging on to MSN Hotmail always fails on the first attempt, despite using correct account information. Second attempt works fine. What's up with that? Thanks |
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| 16:51.19 | pinotree | slapierre: what's wrong with installing the kde control center? anyway, the real font configuration is in the ~/.qt folder |
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| 16:52.03 | peh | ...and this is on Arch Linux, using KDEmod 3.5.6 (KDEmod is Arch optimized and modularized, but essentially stock KDE. No patches to Konqueror, as far as I know) |
| 16:52.05 | pinotree | the qtrc file |
| 16:52.43 | slapierre | pinotree : 1. I'm under gentoo and it is bundled in some 'i-dont-know-which' package |
| 16:52.58 | pinotree | slapierre: #gentoo or #gentoo-kde for its name? |
| 16:53.12 | lynxlynxlynx | nothing from lsof :/ |
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| 16:54.40 | slapierre | pinotree : touché! |
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| 16:55.36 | sabayonuser | salve a tutti, volevo sapere se era possibile abilitare le aiglx sulla mia ati radeon x550 512Mb |
| 16:56.05 | pinotree | [ITA]webbino88: a) english, b) #sabayon (english as well) |
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| 17:00.22 | en1gma | ok is someone going to help me |
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| 17:00.56 | Zombie | I have a peculiar situation with KDE and Kontact |
| 17:01.03 | Zombie | Anyone mind helping? |
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| 17:01.08 | en1gma | "K-menu>settings>Internet and Network>Network Settings" is not writing to /etc/network/interfaces. im running debian sid |
| 17:01.24 | en1gma | is this a known problem |
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| 17:01.38 | lynxlynxlynx | check the bt |
| 17:01.42 | lynxlynxlynx | bugs.kde.org |
| 17:01.49 | en1gma | can someone just tell me |
| 17:01.54 | en1gma | as im here letting you all know |
| 17:01.56 | chris_d | While playing around with adding a new panel, I inadvertently added a Universal Sidebar. Now I want to get rid of it... |
| 17:02.34 | pinotree | Zombie: just tell your problem (not _to me_, but the whole channel) |
| 17:02.44 | Zombie | Okay. |
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| 17:03.30 | Zombie | I need a means of configuring Kontact accross an entire network to use Domain Credentials to connect to an XML-RPC |
| 17:03.52 | Zombie | I need a means of configuring Kontact accross an entire network to use Domain Credentials to connect to an XML-RPC Server powered by eGroupware. |
| 17:04.04 | Zombie | I don't want to configure every damn client. |
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| 17:04.38 | en1gma | i just went through the bug list and didnt see this one |
| 17:04.50 | en1gma | "K-menu>settings>Internet and Network>Network Settings" is not writing to /etc/network/interfaces. im running debian sid |
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| 17:07.20 | en1gma | is anyone aware of this as this would qualify as a critical bugi would think |
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| 17:08.24 | k05h | hi |
| 17:08.40 | sebbar | hi, what's the purpose of the "light table" in digikam? I didn't get it :) |
| 17:08.42 | Zombie | anyone? |
| 17:08.58 | k05h | how can I configure konqueror mouse gestures? I know it has got them but I can't find how to configure them :s |
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| 17:09.36 | lynxlynxlynx | en1gma: if there is no bug about it, then file it, but I wouldn't label it critical |
| 17:09.54 | lynxlynxlynx | k05h: perhaps in khotkeys |
| 17:09.57 | MinceR | k05h: kde control center/regional and accessibility/input actions |
| 17:10.01 | MinceR | (iirc) |
| 17:10.17 | k05h | ok, thx =) |
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| 17:10.21 | MinceR | np |
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| 17:10.38 | DarkFeeling | hi is there a way to change the bootsplash and set one image i like), (not the splash screen or grub) i mean the Kubuntu image with the blue bar that shows itself when turning on computer or turning off |
| 17:11.33 | en1gma | i have asked 3 times about my problem and no one has answered anything |
| 17:11.41 | en1gma | everyone else gets answered |
| 17:11.42 | apokryphos | DarkFeeling: not a kde issue; consider #ubuntu or #kubuntu |
| 17:12.38 | lynxlynxlynx | en1gma: i'm nobody? :/ |
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| 17:12.58 | lynxlynxlynx | perhaps that's good, you know that they say that nobody is perfect :P |
| 17:13.02 | en1gma | i was going to add you |
| 17:13.08 | DarkFeeling | apokryphos, ill explain: first i installed ubuntu (with gnome) then i liked KDE and installed it. but when i did that, KDE change my bootsplash (the orange one) to one of his own (the blue one). |
| 17:13.13 | en1gma | well i looked where you said and dont see anything |
| 17:13.23 | en1gma | i would not think im the only one with this problem |
| 17:14.07 | pinotree | DarkFeeling: the problem is that kde of kubuntu requires a package containing the base artwork, including the bootsplash one |
| 17:14.11 | lynxlynxlynx | file a bug |
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| 17:14.25 | lynxlynxlynx | then others can see it, confirm it, fix it ... |
| 17:14.27 | pinotree | apokryphos is right, it's a #kubuntu issue |
| 17:14.35 | en1gma | can someone check to see if this is a bug first |
| 17:14.46 | en1gma | try and repeat it on your system |
| 17:14.51 | DarkFeeling | oh i see thanks pinotree apokryphos |
| 17:14.58 | en1gma | or can you remember if anyone else has had this same problem |
| 17:15.09 | lynxlynxlynx | i don't know anyone on debian |
| 17:15.37 | en1gma | are you running any kind of unstable or -current on your system |
| 17:15.42 | en1gma | im running kde 3.5.6 |
| 17:16.02 | lynxlynxlynx | source mage |
| 17:16.15 | lynxlynxlynx | pretty -current |
| 17:16.17 | en1gma | lynxlynxlynx kde 3.5.6 |
| 17:16.33 | lynxlynxlynx | kdewise partly 3.5.7 - not yet completely updated |
| 17:16.34 | en1gma | try it and see if it writes to the interfaces file |
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| 17:16.58 | en1gma | when you change an interface setting in kde network |
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| 17:17.07 | lynxlynxlynx | my distro is unsupported |
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| 17:17.18 | en1gma | you told me to make a bug report |
| 17:17.31 | en1gma | i will but lets see if a couple users have the same problem |
| 17:17.40 | lynxlynxlynx | sure |
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| 17:18.05 | Tido | I'm changing files on my local machine and uploading them via konq/split view/fish to a server. But it's getting old going back and forth and doing the upload. Is there any way to do an auto-sync? |
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| 17:18.15 | en1gma | i also am in the process of doing 381 updates maybe one of em fix it |
| 17:18.19 | en1gma | will know in a few mins |
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| 17:18.43 | wedgeV | klaptop doesnt let me select a cpufreq governor since i updated to 3.5.7 |
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| 17:19.07 | lynxlynxlynx | Tido: you could script it |
| 17:19.25 | wedgeV | setting it through /sys/devices/system/cpu/... works though |
| 17:19.39 | Tido | true lynxlynxlynx |
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| 17:19.54 | lynxlynxlynx | kfmclient copy bla bla |
| 17:19.59 | Tido | just wondering if someone already invented this wheel though |
| 17:20.37 | lynxlynxlynx | you could put the files in a SCM |
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| 17:21.47 | Kyral_Laptop | hmm |
| 17:21.59 | Kyral_Laptop | O'Reilly is having a Buy 2 Get 1 Free deal right now... |
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| 17:22.47 | tuxick | bill o'reilly? |
| 17:23.53 | JamesB192 | I think he means to tech book publisher. |
| 17:23.53 | Kyral_Laptop | Yah |
| 17:24.09 | Kyral_Laptop | Duh...O'Reilly books are like the only tech books I read |
| 17:24.25 | Kyral_Laptop | (Well, Pragmatic Bookshelf, but they are like a subsidary of O'Reilly) |
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| 17:25.08 | Kyral_Laptop | Which Perl book :P |
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| 17:25.18 | Kyral_Laptop | (Linux in a Nutshell is awesome BTW) |
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| 17:25.28 | Kyral_Laptop | I'd also recommend Classic Shell Scripting |
| 17:26.28 | Kyral_Laptop | JamesB192: you said THAT Perl book |
| 17:26.33 | Kyral_Laptop | (Singular) :P |
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| 17:27.09 | Kyral_Laptop | and I do enjoy the language of the Perl books |
| 17:27.24 | Kyral_Laptop | like how they tell the story of the <> operator in a footnote :D |
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| 17:28.54 | JamesB192 | Make that three 'Linux in a nutshell', 'Learning PERL' and 'Programming PERL'. |
| 17:29.03 | Kyral_Laptop | I'm gonna pick up Mastering Regular Expressions, sed & awk, Agile Web Development with Rails, and Pragmatic Ajax |
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| 17:30.04 | Kyral_Laptop | The Linux Pocket Reference is really handy too |
| 17:30.37 | en1gma | brb |
| 17:31.15 | atidem | ciao |
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| 17:57.45 | Alethes | he probably will die if he's 400 pounds :) |
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| 18:12.06 | jose__ | a good ftp kde app? |
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| 18:12.45 | Kyral_Laptop | jose__: Konq has one built in |
| 18:13.38 | jose__ | yeah i know but i want another... |
| 18:13.57 | Kyral_Laptop | jose__: Uhh....dunno I've either used Konq or the command line FTP client |
| 18:13.57 | annma | what do you miss in it? |
| 18:14.04 | Kyral_Laptop | (Or FTPFS via FUSE) |
| 18:15.27 | Kyral_Laptop | jose__: Might wanna look at www.kde-apps.org |
| 18:15.27 | PhilOut | there's kget and kbear, I think, if konq doesn't provide what you want |
| 18:15.28 | Gentle | annma: well, it's lacking a queue where you can put lots of things to download so you can go sleep, but otherwise it's fine imho |
| 18:15.28 | Kyral_Laptop | http://www.kde-apps.org/index.php?xcontentmode=236 |
| 18:15.28 | msn | filezilla is there too |
| 18:15.28 | pinotree | kftpgrabber? |
| 18:15.28 | jose__ | oh ok let me try all tks all |
| 18:15.28 | Kyral_Laptop | Gentle: KGet |
| 18:15.28 | Kyral_Laptop | (though I prefer wget :D) |
| 18:15.29 | pinotree | kget is not an ftp client |
| 18:15.29 | annma | Gentle: yes |
| 18:15.30 | pinotree | just a downloader |
| 18:15.50 | Kyral_Laptop | pinotree: But it can interact with FTP :P |
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| 18:16.03 | Gentle | Kyral_Laptop: I'd use wget aswell, but for ftp most people want something that looks more like filezille or flashfxp(windows/commercial) or something similar |
| 18:16.05 | msn | filezilla is cool to work on |
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| 18:16.14 | pinotree | then call it web browser, just because it downloads from http? |
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| 18:16.43 | msn | i prefer goodold ftp> |
| 18:16.49 | Kyral_Laptop | msn++ |
| 18:17.01 | msn | ftp>hash |
| 18:17.23 | Kiruwa | put him out, eh? |
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| 18:17.47 | pinotree | Kiruwa: ? |
| 18:17.58 | Kiruwa | nvm |
| 18:18.02 | Kyral_Laptop | flamewar + water on someone in one == no more flame :P |
| 18:18.52 | Kiruwa | poor laptop tho :( |
| 18:19.13 | Kyral_Laptop | wait...DAMN YOU! |
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| 18:20.55 | pinotree | i threw water on you, was caution enough to save your laptop ;) |
| 18:20.55 | pinotree | s,was,had, |
| 18:20.55 | Kyral_Laptop | ah :P |
| 18:20.56 | Kyral_Laptop | good man :P |
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| 18:22.53 | Zombie | What application syncs Kontact with a Cell phone? |
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| 18:23.34 | Kyral_Laptop | KBluetooth? KPilot? |
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| 18:25.51 | metalfan | hi |
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| 18:28.00 | metalfan | ktechlab question: does anybody know how to turn down the simulation speed? |
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| 18:29.03 | Kyral_Laptop | uuuuuuhhh |
| 18:29.11 | Kyral_Laptop | okay where did my battery monitor go? |
| 18:29.25 | tuxick | metalfan: ooh, does that thing to pics? |
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| 18:29.59 | metalfan | pic is mentioned below integrated circuit, so i guess yes |
| 18:30.31 | Kyral_Laptop | Guys...anyone know where the battery monitor in KDE 3.5.7 went? |
| 18:30.48 | Kyral_Laptop | Clicking on "Show Battery Monitor" in KControl does jack squat |
| 18:31.18 | eNTi | hi. my kde clock constantly changes it's "show timezone" setting from local to my timezone and displays the timezone after a few hours and i have to set it back. can't i turn the timezone show thingy off? |
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| 18:34.46 | kollum | hy everybody |
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| 18:35.49 | kollum | I've a litle anoyance with the duo akregator / internet browser. |
| 18:36.11 | kollum | ( I'm personaly found of konqueror as it ) |
| 18:36.12 | Alethes | akrevator |
| 18:36.40 | kollum | the thing is that I whant to open some of the feed in konqi |
| 18:37.23 | kollum | I was never able to use tabs in akregator because it has not all the navigation things you have in konqi |
| 18:37.58 | kollum | the problem is that when i open the feed in external window, the window will pop upside Akregator |
| 18:38.19 | kollum | and I whant to go thrue every feed before I start navigating |
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| 18:38.53 | kollum | I tried some of the kwin feature such as always on top and some other config |
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| 18:39.33 | kollum | but never ended whith beter choice than dragin konqi to the botom of the screen so that it doesnt take over akregator |
| 18:39.38 | wolsni | kollum: you mean when you choose "open in external window" from akregator, konqueror pops up to the top? |
| 18:39.52 | kollum | yes |
| 18:40.22 | Alethes | konq doesn't have a --no-raise option unfortunately |
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| 18:40.47 | wolsni | hmm, that never seemed like a problem to me |
| 18:40.49 | kollum | My prefered flow woud be to open akregator, read every titles and double click on the ones I whant to know more about |
| 18:40.54 | kollum | yes |
| 18:40.58 | kollum | I saw that :( |
| 18:41.02 | Kyral_Laptop | ya....my Battery Monitor is gone... |
| 18:41.06 | wolsni | setting akregator to always on top fixes it for me though |
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| 18:41.30 | kollum | ok |
| 18:41.32 | Alethes | Kyral_Laptop: might need to install another kde package |
| 18:41.35 | kollum | thanks wolsni |
| 18:41.37 | Alethes | I don't know which though |
| 18:41.46 | Kyral_Laptop | Alethes: On Arch? It was working before 3.5.7 :P |
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| 18:42.00 | kollum | but unfortunately, I don't like it very much |
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| 18:42.16 | wolsni | Kyral_Laptop: sounds like you have a bug to report |
| 18:43.15 | Kyral_Laptop | wolsni: yah... |
| 18:43.46 | Kyral_Laptop | trying to find out which command would launch the app |
| 18:43.50 | Kyral_Laptop | PhilRod: Yah I know... |
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| 18:44.24 | Kyral_Laptop | but thats the best way it seems |
| 18:44.36 | Kyral_Laptop | It was working in 3.5.6 |
| 18:44.42 | Kyral_Laptop | it disappeared after I upgraded |
| 18:45.07 | Kyral_Laptop | and clicking "Start Battery Monitor" in the Laptop Battery module doesn't start it |
| 18:45.46 | Alethes | I found out why vista sales are so high -- Dell charges another $109.00 for XP Home or $200 for XP Pro |
| 18:46.05 | Kyral_Laptop | PhilRod: You tell me what else to put in the bug report :P |
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| 18:46.28 | PhilRod | ok, a useful bug report is the following: |
| 18:46.42 | Kyral_Laptop | PhilRod: I know what a useful bug report it |
| 18:46.49 | Kyral_Laptop | I used to triage a lot for Ubuntu |
| 18:46.57 | Kyral_Laptop | I'm saying I can't find anymore info |
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| 18:47.15 | PhilRod | then don't report it, unless you can find other evidence that it's a bug and not a config problem |
| 18:49.00 | PhilRod | eg, other users reporting the same, on other distros, etc |
| 18:49.01 | Kyral_Laptop | PhilRod: But...I haven't changed my config at all... |
| 18:49.01 | Kyral_Laptop | Anyone else wanna confirm this one for me? |
| 18:49.03 | Kyral_Laptop | Actually trying to find out what the program that launches the monitor is called |
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| 18:49.35 | wolsni | i'm pretty sure the klaptop monitor is managed by kded |
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| 18:50.00 | aseigo | kubuntu doesn't use klaptopdaemon. it uses powermanager |
| 18:50.10 | aseigo | guidance-power-manager to be exact |
| 18:50.17 | Zombie | Anyone know how to sync a working Cell phone with kaddress book? |
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| 18:50.20 | aseigo | you can make it use klaptopdaemon, but that's not the default |
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| 18:51.07 | Alethes | hey aseigo |
| 18:51.08 | Alethes | ltns |
| 18:51.11 | aseigo | Zombie: does http://kandy.kde.org/ do what you want? |
| 18:51.15 | aseigo | Alethes: hello =) |
| 18:51.41 | RockMan | Zombie: or kmobiletools? |
| 18:51.42 | Kyral_Laptop | Which module would the laptop monitor be in anyway? |
| 18:51.47 | RockMan | it depends a lot on what phone, anyway.. |
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| 18:54.15 | aseigo | Kyral_Laptop: on kubuntu? kde-guidance-powermanager |
| 18:54.27 | Kyral_Laptop | aseigo: Vanilla KDE |
| 18:54.53 | Kyral_Laptop | (Arch uses the Modules as KDE distributes them) |
| 18:54.55 | aseigo | oh.. if you're using vanilla kde, then it's part of kdeutils |
| 18:55.05 | aseigo | well, klaptopdaemon is in kdeutils. |
| 18:55.15 | aseigo | when you right click on the system tray icon, what does the title at the top of the menu say? |
| 18:55.26 | Kyral_Laptop | aseigo: The system tray icon isn't even there |
| 18:56.01 | SimAtWork | i'm trying to get kdevelop |
| 18:56.07 | SimAtWork | but the servers say the file can't be found/dled |
| 18:56.16 | SimAtWork | anyone got kdevelop-3.4.1.tar.bz2 ? |
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| 18:56.24 | monzie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.25 | Shaman` | congrats on 3.5.7, aaron, now if I could just convince gentoo to release an ebuild... |
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| 18:57.30 | Kyral_Laptop | KLaptopDaemon...it would be in $KDEDIR/bin right? |
| 18:57.50 | Zombie | Kandy fails,. |
| 18:58.22 | aseigo | Kyral_Laptop: not really.. there are two helper apps klaptop_acpi_helper and klaptop_check |
| 18:58.25 | wolsni | SimAtWork: http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/3.5.7/src/kdevelop-3.4.1.tar.bz2 seems to work |
| 18:58.34 | Kyral_Laptop | aseigo: Okay...I have those |
| 18:58.34 | aseigo | Kyral_Laptop: but the real stuff is in the kded module and kcontrol module |
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| 18:59.02 | Kyral_Laptop | Yah I'm trying to find an error msg or anything to explain why it isn't showing up... |
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| 18:59.30 | Zombie | kmobiletools accesses the phone, byut won't sync. |
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| 18:59.44 | Zombie | kandy just sits there and looks retarded |
| 18:59.56 | peterrus | is there something that can give my kde apps the same look as my gtk+ apps in gnome? there is somethign vice versa, called qt-gtk-engine or something like that |
| 19:00.00 | RockMan | Zombie: what phone, and what kmobiletools version? |
| 19:00.29 | Kyral_Laptop | Okay lets go through my stupid checklist |
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| 19:00.48 | Kyral_Laptop | ACPID: Running |
| 19:00.52 | Kyral_Laptop | Batteries: In |
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| 19:00.56 | wolsni | peterrus: as i understand it, it would be much more technically difficult to go the other way around |
| 19:01.15 | Kyral_Laptop | CPUFreqD: Running |
| 19:01.15 | Kyral_Laptop | ACPI kernel modules: Inserted |
| 19:01.18 | peterrus | wolsni, what do you mean |
| 19:01.21 | wolsni | there is the QtCurve style |
| 19:01.22 | peterrus | ah |
| 19:01.23 | peterrus | like that |
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| 19:01.37 | peterrus | wolsni, yeah, it just looks like some gtk fake, not? |
| 19:01.45 | Alethes | peterrus: qtcurve is really nice and flexible |
| 19:01.53 | Kyral_Laptop | *pound head into wall* |
| 19:01.53 | peterrus | because, when I change my gnome look, I want my kde look to change too |
| 19:01.56 | Alethes | and it themes your gtk apps too |
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| 19:02.01 | Alethes | 'cause there's a gtk engine as well |
| 19:02.02 | peterrus | hmm |
| 19:02.04 | peterrus | thats nice |
| 19:02.07 | peterrus | I will try that |
| 19:02.08 | peterrus | thanks |
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| 19:02.26 | Zombie | kmobiletools-0.4.3.3-2mdv2007.0 |
| 19:02.31 | peterrus | its a shame these two great environment dont work together :/ |
| 19:02.42 | Zombie | My hone is a Generic motorola. |
| 19:02.55 | Zombie | It shows up as "Generic GSM Phone. |
| 19:02.57 | peterrus | no debian package for qtcurve |
| 19:02.58 | RockMan | Zombie: a bit old, i know 0.5 is still beta, but it's a lot better than 0.4 anyway |
| 19:02.58 | peterrus | shame |
| 19:03.02 | RockMan | Zombie: particulary with motorola |
| 19:03.11 | PhinnFort | peterrus: try Polyester |
| 19:04.14 | PhinnFort | peterrus: imho, it's a bit more refined, and it's got fading and everything;) |
| 19:04.15 | Kyral_Laptop | Got it... |
| 19:04.15 | Kyral_Laptop | already been reported |
| 19:04.15 | peterrus | PhilRod, yeah, but thats not the same as what wolsni mentioned |
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| 19:04.15 | peterrus | I will try it anyway |
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| 19:04.16 | wolsni | there's no polyester engine for GTK, at least not that I know of |
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| 19:04.59 | PhinnFort | wolsni: but polyester and gtkcurve(?) is better than gtkcurve and plastic, for example |
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| 19:09.38 | Kyral_Laptop | Okay...quick question. What effect does setting the KDE_IS_PRELINKED var (or whatever its called) have? |
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| 19:11.58 | PhilRod | prevents use of kdeinit, IIRC |
| 19:12.20 | PhilRod | so apps are started directly, and you don't get "kdeinit: konqueror" in the output of ps |
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| 19:14.42 | Kyral_Laptop | Prelink didn't completely prelink the KDE apps because they link against libGL...which wasn't built with PIC on my system |
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| 19:24.27 | cromo | is kitchensync gone from kdepim? |
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| 19:24.49 | pinotree | yeah, it has been replced by the new syncing app |
| 19:25.20 | cromo | right, but where is it? |
| 19:25.20 | pinotree | what? |
| 19:25.29 | cromo | it was supposed to has the same name, just the backend has changed (to opensync) |
| 19:25.42 | cromo | in which tarball is it? |
| 19:25.45 | pinotree | no no, it's a brand-new application |
| 19:25.48 | pinotree | always in pim |
| 19:26.04 | aseigo | Kyral_Laptop: rand() |
| 19:26.06 | cromo | pinotree: but I mean it's the same name? or is it different name? |
| 19:26.50 | pinotree | cromo: if i say "a brand-new app", usually means also "a brand-new name" ;) |
| 19:26.51 | cromo | ok |
| 19:26.54 | cromo | but what's the damn name? ;-) |
| 19:27.03 | cromo | I can't find it |
| 19:27.10 | cromo | according to changelog the name hasn't change |
| 19:27.11 | cromo | changed |
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| 19:27.29 | pinotree | might be worth asking in #kontact |
| 19:27.33 | cromo | http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_6to3_5_7.php |
| 19:28.24 | Edzhjus | hi guys. i have os with kde. and the problem is that in konqueror the file is recognized not by mime type but gived extension..can it be fixed? |
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| 19:29.09 | PhilRod | Edzhjus: extension is used first, otherwise mime magic is used. So, if you only want mime magic used, remove the extension |
| 19:29.41 | EvilGuru | In the KDE control centre I set my font to Arial 10 (for menus and the like), then in my .gtkrc file I did the same, but the size of menu fonts for the gimp and kde apps differ |
| 19:29.58 | Edzhjus | still nothing |
| 19:30.06 | Edzhjus | it gives and open with dialogue |
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| 19:30.54 | PhinnFort | EvilGuru: probably different DPI |
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| 19:31.18 | PhinnFort | EvilGuru: KDE has it right, and gtk has it wrong, would be my guess;) |
| 19:31.32 | EvilGuru | PhinnFort: Surely they can probe x.org for it? |
| 19:31.40 | aseigo | kde uses x.org's dpi |
| 19:31.44 | aseigo | gtk uses a hardcoded one |
| 19:31.48 | Edzhjus | PhilRod it won`t work..if i remove extension than i get Open with dialogue |
| 19:31.57 | EvilGuru | aseigo: Can I nab it out of a config file |
| 19:31.59 | Edzhjus | *then |
| 19:32.19 | aseigo | EvilGuru: the dpi that gtk uses? i blieve they use 96dpi |
| 19:32.23 | aseigo | use -> assume |
| 19:32.31 | PhilRod | Edzhjus: what happens if you give it the correct extension? does it open with the app you want? |
| 19:32.33 | aseigo | or is it 72. hum. let me check. |
| 19:32.37 | EvilGuru | there is a tick-box to force KDE to use 96 |
| 19:32.47 | aseigo | 96 dpi |
| 19:32.49 | EvilGuru | but can someone explain to me how font size relates to DPI |
| 19:33.00 | aseigo | sure. |
| 19:33.04 | EvilGuru | when I select 10pt am I selecting a physical measurement |
| 19:33.06 | aseigo | fonts are rendered to points |
| 19:33.08 | PhinnFort | EvilGuru: it defines how large it calculates it looks |
| 19:33.12 | aseigo | dpi is the desnity of points on the screen |
| 19:33.25 | EvilGuru | Yep |
| 19:33.37 | aseigo | so if you have one font rendering a 10px glyph with the assumption of a 10dpi screen, you'll get a one inch glyph |
| 19:33.43 | wolsni | technically 1 pt should be 1/72 in iirc |
| 19:33.50 | aseigo | on a 100dpi screen you'd get a .1inch glyph |
| 19:33.50 | Edzhjus | PhilRod i don`t know the correct extension for that file. However i tried a test -> Created new text file, writted down some text, saved, then added renamed as mp3 and it opened with audio player not text editor.. |
| 19:34.05 | EvilGuru | as there are more dots per inch so each dot is smaller |
| 19:34.14 | aseigo | wolsni: that relies on having the right dpi to calculate off of, of course |
| 19:34.22 | wolsni | of course |
| 19:34.34 | aseigo | since rendering happens in pixels, not inches ;) so it's all a trick hoping that the dpi is right. |
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| 19:34.46 | EvilGuru | so if we have the DPI we can convert pt to px |
| 19:34.54 | aseigo | 96dpi is an interesting choice because many fonts have hinting optimized for 96dpi |
| 19:35.03 | EvilGuru | as 1pt is 1/72 approx and we know how many DPI there are |
| 19:35.10 | aseigo | but it sucks because 96dpi is not a universal screen res |
| 19:35.12 | PhilRod | Edzhjus: I'm a bit confused about what you're trying to achieve. Can you explain a bit more carefully? |
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| 19:35.23 | EvilGuru | Next question, how does X.org know, DDC? |
| 19:36.09 | Edzhjus | PhilRod i`m trying to enable that auto file extension recognition feature like on linux.. |
| 19:36.40 | Edzhjus | so that i can see correct extension for some unknown files and not only.. |
| 19:37.38 | gnulinuxman | wolsni: I'm hoping you're using a natively-supported card ^_^ |
| 19:37.53 | wolsni | i am, actually |
| 19:37.55 | gnulinuxman | good |
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| 19:38.18 | EvilGuru | As I have never told xorg the size of my monitor |
| 19:39.15 | wolsni | gnulinuxman: secret identities are supposed to be kept secret |
| 19:39.31 | gnulinuxman | wolsni: Anyone who looks at my cloak will figure it out, wolsni :P |
| 19:39.31 | wolsni | otherwise they're just identities, which is boring |
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| 19:40.07 | gnulinuxman | wolsni: I couldn't keep it a secret even if I wanted to because of my cloak |
| 19:40.11 | gnulinuxman | :P |
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| 19:41.57 | wolsni_ | grr |
| 19:45.32 | SimAtWork | wolsni: thank you |
| 19:45.37 | SimAtWork | that worked great |
| 19:45.59 | wolsni | hooray for mirrors |
| 19:46.39 | EvilGuru | Hmm my DPI is (Xorg.0.log) 99 and 9 |
| 19:46.40 | EvilGuru | 8 |
| 19:46.44 | gnulinuxman | wolsni: What brand is your router? |
| 19:46.52 | EvilGuru | which is very interesting, considering I have to identical monitors |
| 19:46.54 | wolsni | i don't even know |
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| 19:47.00 | wolsni | it's my dad's router |
| 19:47.31 | wolsni | he tends to wait until someone is giving a rebate that makes his gadgets free |
| 19:48.21 | gnulinuxman | Oh that would explain it |
| 19:48.28 | wolsni | yep |
| 19:48.32 | SimAtWork | replace router with 200mhz pentium box and two nics :) |
| 19:48.52 | wolsni | sometimes talking on the cordless phone kicks me off the network :( |
| 19:48.59 | SimAtWork | ouch |
| 19:49.05 | Alethes | change the channel |
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| 19:52.45 | sabayonuser | Hi. |
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| 20:06.03 | Exis | Hey folks... quick Kate question. Kate appears to include a script that runs html tidy, but I have no idea how to run it from within Kate. Can somebody help me out? |
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| 20:08.19 | wolsni | maybe i should change that channel |
| 20:08.45 | SimAtWork | channel? |
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| 20:09.36 | wolsni | earlier I mentioned that the cordless phone here tends to disrupt my wireless network connection |
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| 20:11.55 | Kyral_Laptop | hmm, well, I found KThinkbat...which actually has more interesting infos |
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| 20:22.48 | Dllbrt | I'd like to bring a KDE KPPP problem to your attention. In several recent KDE versions, KPPP seg-faults when it tries to dial, which makes it useless |
| 20:23.34 | wolsni | Dllbrt: bugs.kde.org is a better place than here for bug reports |
| 20:24.09 | Dllbrt | ok, but would it get the attention it needs? |
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| 20:24.22 | PhilRod | Dllbrt: if you file a bug, please add a backtrace. You can find information about generating backtraces at http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Bugsquad/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports |
| 20:25.06 | benJIman | PhilRod: do you do English translation for KDE? |
| 20:25.21 | PhilRod | benJIman: no. |
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| 20:25.26 | benJIman | PhilRod: do you know who does? |
| 20:25.52 | PhilRod | DirkGently (aka Malcolm Hunter), Jonathan Something (Hutchins?) |
| 20:26.03 | benJIman | ta |
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| 20:26.22 | PhilRod | benJIman: http://lists.quaker.eu.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-en-gb |
| 20:26.36 | benJIman | Wanted to know whether the policy was oxford spellings ie -ize or cambridge -ise |
| 20:26.50 | benJIman | and other tricky issues. |
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| 20:28.37 | PhilRod | benJIman: they're called "oxford" and "cambridge" spellings? I'd never heard that terminology |
| 20:28.44 | thingy | benJIman, http://www.kde.me.uk/index.php?page=kde-en-gb |
| 20:28.49 | Dllbrt | How do you make a backtrace? What software makes a backtrace of function calls in a program compiled as a release, without debugging info? |
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| 20:29.22 | PhilRod | Dllbrt: see that link, which answers both of those questions |
| 20:29.56 | benJIman | PhilRod: don't know, but OED uses -ized and most other dictionaries including cambridge prefer -ise |
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| 20:30.44 | thingy | benJIman, I thought ize was amerikaanese! |
| 20:31.07 | PhilRod | thingy: it's complicated :-) |
| 20:31.11 | thingy | those damned oxford yanks! :-) |
| 20:31.13 | xdan779 | is anyone here familier with KDE session manager |
| 20:31.26 | PhilRod | xdan779: probably - just ask your question :-) |
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| 20:31.30 | benJIman | thingy: I see -ise used far more often in real life. |
| 20:32.06 | thingy | benJIman, blame that on Microsoft Word<spit><spit> |
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| 20:32.07 | benJIman | thingy: that defaults to american |
| 20:32.07 | PhilRod | benJIman: that's probably true, although AIUI -ize is the older of the two forms, and not particularly an Americanism |
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| 20:32.12 | ZoFreX | "ise" is a UK thing |
| 20:32.14 | thingy | how dare it suggest color instead of colour |
| 20:32.16 | apokryphos | Microsoft do great British English translations ;) |
| 20:32.23 | xdan779 | when ever I log into a differant workstation kde loads up my saved session on the one I worked at last |
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| 20:32.35 | PhilRod | xdan779: shared homedir? |
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| 20:32.59 | xdan779 | who ever is working at that staion will see all of windows open up there |
| 20:33.41 | PhilRod | you mean windows from your session open up on someone else's session? |
| 20:34.10 | xdan779 | and on mine it will only show one desktop, if i log out an reloging it will be fine but I lose my session and have to reopen up everything |
| 20:34.11 | Dllbrt | One more question about gdb and backtraces---does gdb make a text file that I can paste into or attach to a bug report? |
| 20:34.12 | xdan779 | yes the open up on there workstation |
| 20:34.42 | PhilRod | Dllbrt: not that I know of, but "script" might help you there |
| 20:35.07 | PhilRod | xdan779: weird. Can you explain the setup you have? (multiple workstations logging into a central one via xdmcp?) |
| 20:35.13 | thingy | Dllbrt, what do you have againsts vowels? |
| 20:35.20 | Dllbrt | OK. a crash in the program that connects to the net makes online-only reportage not a good idea |
| 20:35.38 | xdan779 | I am wondering if kde stores the ip of my workstation somewhere in session managment |
| 20:36.07 | Dllbrt | Vowels? Oh, just a play on words and effort to avoid nick dupes |
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| 20:37.04 | xdan779 | we have multiple workstations, and we log into 2 diff boxes usung xdmcp |
| 20:37.08 | thingy | how about dillbutt? or dillburp? or dollbert? or dogbert..oh wait..that one exists for real |
| 20:37.20 | xdan779 | one runs cde on solaris the other kde on linux |
| 20:37.41 | mudpuddle | is there a good way to have korganizer share the same calendar file for both my desktop & laptop? maybe using rsync? anyone else do this? |
| 20:37.45 | Dllbrt | thingy, If I wanted to be that creative, I might try Dullbert |
| 20:37.53 | thingy | lol |
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| 20:38.43 | thingy | dllbrt just looks like a typo...and I want to backspace the word and correct it |
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| 20:39.12 | Dllbrt | but I gotta get busy on a bug report---gotta install a problem version, crash it, yank it and install the good version and file a report |
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| 20:40.47 | PhilRod | Dllbrt: good luck. If you need any help with creating the backtrace, drop in here or #kde-bugs |
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| 20:42.13 | Dllbrt | OK. I also need to register to file, don't have a kde bug acct |
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| 20:43.00 | PhilRod | xdan779: it's not the exact problem you're describing, but the fact that one session can open windows on another suggests a problem with your security settings |
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| 20:46.06 | Dllbrt | Food for thought---Microsoft continues to try attacking open-source software including linux with patent law which probably shouldn't apply to software. See the recent CNET article on it and lobby as well as work on software. |
| 20:46.50 | Edzhjus | yes that`s stupid.. |
| 20:47.04 | pinotree | offtopic, here |
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| 20:47.13 | xdan779 | we run some apps remotly using exported x display |
| 20:47.27 | MinceR | still it's just fud |
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| 20:47.53 | PhilRod | xdan779: ok, so to check I understand you correctly, you have the following situation: |
| 20:48.31 | xdan779 | for some reason kde thinks my display is still exported to my old workstation |
| 20:48.38 | PhilRod | log into server1 from workstation1. Start some apps. Logout. Log into server1 from workstation2. Those apps are started on workstation1, leaving nothing on workstation2 |
| 20:49.16 | xdan779 | yes that is dead on |
| 20:49.45 | PhilRod | hrm |
| 20:50.11 | Alethes | echo $DISPLAY |
| 20:50.22 | PhilRod | what about if you run apps manually? Are they fine? |
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| 20:50.52 | xdan779 | yes they run fine if I start them after it has loaded |
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| 20:52.47 | xdan779 | though desktop pager will only have 1 desktop labled 1, and a blank backround |
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| 20:54.02 | xdan779 | I have to log out and the relogin again, and my backround comes back and my desktops do to |
| 20:54.12 | marko_ | can this be done in kde4 http://vladoboss.spiki.be/mg2/pictures/xegldappcrash5nb0mr.jpg |
| 20:54.23 | xdan779 | but I hav eto open up and relogin to all my apps again |
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| 20:57.55 | xdan779 | what is strange if i save the session manually it will alway try to open those apps on the workstation I manually saved itto |
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| 20:58.22 | xdan779 | that is why I think session manager is storing my ip info somewhere |
| 20:59.24 | PhilRod | xdan779: the session manager config files are ~/.kde/share/config/session/ and ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc . Perhaps looking at those will give you a clue |
| 21:00.07 | PhilRod | marko_: in principle, possibly. In practice, I doubt anyone will waste their time on it |
| 21:00.13 | xdan779 | ok thanks for the hint I am looking through them now |
| 21:01.47 | marko_ | PhilRod but its wery cool |
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| 21:02.46 | PhilRod | marko_: well, feel free to implement it; I'm not stopping you... :-) |
| 21:03.17 | marko_ | well |
| 21:03.28 | marko_ | i started to learn python |
| 21:03.46 | marko_ | and today i tried qt hello world |
| 21:04.00 | marko_ | but i could'nt compile it |
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| 21:06.10 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 21:07.25 | Ace2016 | anyone know if konqueror supports .hidden files? (stupid google doesn't read the . and gives useless results :( |
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| 21:08.11 | PhilRod | Ace2016: kubuntu mod, I thought. But ICBW |
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| 21:09.59 | Ace2016 | PhilRod: i think it is, but it doesn't seem to work, hiding Desktop in my home dir doesn't seem to be working |
| 21:10.20 | Ace2016 | Anyone know how i can get rid of /home/user/Desktop? its empty at the mo |
| 21:10.24 | mauke | hello |
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| 21:11.13 | Ace2016 | hi |
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| 21:11.36 | mauke | I have a few questions about kview; is this the right channel? |
| 21:13.15 | PhilRod | mauke: yup |
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| 21:14.03 | mauke | so, uh |
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| 21:14.19 | mauke | when browsing my image files, is there a way to copy the current filename to the clipboard? |
| 21:14.34 | mauke | or maybe a dcop call? |
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| 21:14.45 | OlliK | dcop -c -i |
| 21:15.08 | mauke | Unknown command-line option '-c'. |
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| 21:38.02 | Lacrymology | hey |
| 21:38.08 | Lacrymology | oops |
| 21:38.11 | Lacrymology | wrong channel |
| 21:38.14 | Lacrymology | ARGH! |
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| 21:38.51 | kirun | Well, hello there :P |
| 21:39.35 | Graham | Hey, does anybody know how to remove those little dotted bars that appear next to applets on the kicker panel? |
| 21:40.18 | PhilRod | Graham: configure panel -> appearance -> advanced -> applet handles |
| 21:40.29 | Graham | Thanks. |
| 21:40.57 | kirun | right click -> lock panels also works |
| 21:41.13 | Graham | That works too... |
| 21:41.33 | Graham | Infact that's useful because sometimes I move them around by accident, I don't like it when I do that. |
| 21:41.35 | Graham | Sorted, cheers. |
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| 21:42.40 | Lacrymology | I wanna pimp up my kde.. any good guidelines? I've found way too much on google, and most of it doesn't even have any details |
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| 21:43.32 | Ace2016 | Lacrymology: kde + bery + emerald, and get kde 3.5.7, you can customise the tasbar text colours |
| 21:43.56 | Ace2016 | Lacrymology: and i tend to use xgl with beryl, it seems to get a performance boost from it on my system |
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| 21:44.51 | Lacrymology | Ace2016, that's a bit TOO much pimping |
| 21:45.01 | Lacrymology | this is a work box, I need the CPU to compile stuff |
| 21:45.08 | SimAtWork | beryl doesn't use much cpu |
| 21:45.20 | SimAtWork | well unless you sit there holding ctrl-alt-left for hours on end :) |
| 21:45.32 | Graham | Just get some themes, also you might like KBFX, it's a replacement for KMenu, It seems alright. |
| 21:45.41 | Lacrymology | then how the hell does it do everything it does? it magically calculates physics? |
| 21:46.09 | Lacrymology | I'm used to fluxbox, where there's nothing |
| 21:46.12 | Lacrymology | I loved it |
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| 21:49.43 | SimAtWork | Lacrymology: it obviously uses resources, but it's not huge. |
| 21:49.50 | SimAtWork | it's rather insignificant really |
| 21:50.06 | Ace2016 | is it just me or does xgl+nvidia speed up the desktop like installing drivers does in windows? |
| 21:51.28 | SimAtWork | dunno about spee dit up |
| 21:51.35 | SimAtWork | but i can't get xgl to use more than about 30% cpu |
| 21:51.40 | SimAtWork | and if i'm not flipping the screen etc. |
| 21:51.44 | SimAtWork | it doesn't use any |
| 21:52.17 | SimAtWork | xgl is rather efficient |
| 21:52.20 | SimAtWork | even if it is cool |
| 21:52.25 | Ace2016 | SimAtWork: play videos in mplayer with video output set to nv, a high enough res should make it slow down and you'll start seeing the frames being redrawn |
| 21:52.48 | SimAtWork | yah? |
| 21:52.49 | SimAtWork | hrm |
| 21:52.51 | SimAtWork | i'm at work |
| 21:52.54 | SimAtWork | so i don't play videos |
| 21:52.59 | SimAtWork | i'll try it at home |
| 21:55.50 | SimAtWork | have you tried something other than mplayer? |
| 21:55.53 | SimAtWork | i use xine myself |
| 21:55.55 | SimAtWork | and vlc on the ps3 |
| 21:56.00 | SimAtWork | i find they work far better than mplayer |
| 21:56.06 | SimAtWork | but i've heard the opposite |
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| 21:57.45 | sputnick | hi there :) |
| 21:57.50 | sputnick | is there something (perhaps in klipper) to assign a line permanently of text whith a shortcut ( win+v for exemple ) ? |
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| 21:59.32 | sputnick | (meta+v) |
| 22:00.06 | PhilRod | sputnick: "dcop klipper klipper setClipboardContents" will set the clipboard contents, then you could paste it |
| 22:00.21 | PhilRod | not quite sure how you could get that into one keystroke, but perhaps it's a start |
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| 22:06.34 | sputnick | PhilRod> sounds to be a good way... |
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| 22:07.04 | PhilRod | you could bind that to some key (say Meta+V), and then do Meta+V followed by Ctrl+V |
| 22:07.32 | PhilRod | but there must be a way to do it with one keystroke |
| 22:07.52 | edgy | Hi, I am using feisty and cannot find my trash bin icon, how can I make it appear |
| 22:08.24 | sputnick | yes I need to do it by meta+v ; ctrl+v at the moment. |
| 22:08.53 | PhilRod | edgy: make a link to trash:/ |
| 22:09.22 | sputnick | trash:/ |
| 22:09.27 | sputnick | in konqueror |
| 22:10.38 | straw | edgy: try locate trash.desktop from a konsole |
| 22:11.20 | straw | then (for me) it's cp /usr/share/apps/systemview/trash.desktop ~/Desktop |
| 22:11.41 | PhilRod | !sleep |
| 22:12.33 | thingy | This thread http://mail.kdewebdev.org/pipermail/kommander/2004-October/000371.html talks about using kcommander to do a sort of clip paste action...except in this case the user is pasting a date only. I don't have access to kde right now so cant test it by recreating the kommander script |
| 22:14.37 | edgy | sputnick: how can I link to it. I did create link -> shortcut to url it won't accept trash:/ as a name |
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| 22:14.54 | edgy | straw: I cannot find a trasn |
| 22:15.03 | edgy | straw: I cannot find a trash.desktop |
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| 22:15.39 | sputnick | try drag & drop edgy |
| 22:16.16 | qupada | edgy: i found a copy in ${KDEDIR}/share/apps/systemview |
| 22:16.28 | sputnick | drag the trash icon in konqueror & drop it on Desktop |
| 22:16.46 | sputnick | not sure |
| 22:16.48 | edgy | sputnick: drag what? I opened trash:/ in konqueror and tried to drag the url but didn't work |
| 22:16.53 | sputnick | it's work |
| 22:17.20 | edgy | qupada: |
| 22:17.20 | edgy | $ ls /usr/share/apps/systemview/ |
| 22:17.20 | edgy | documents.desktop home.desktop media.desktop remote.desktop users.desktop |
| 22:17.46 | edgy | sputnick: yes it made a file in the desktop that contains the word trash but that's all |
| 22:18.05 | qupada | edgy: well i have a trash.desktop in there too |
| 22:18.34 | A_b | I lost the little roving eye on the 'suse' menu button after the upgrade to .7 and wondered if it was just taken out? |
| 22:18.36 | edgy | qupada: may be I need to install something? |
| 22:18.46 | edgy | qupada: what distro are you using? |
| 22:18.59 | qupada | edgy: gentoo |
| 22:19.01 | edgy | I am using feisty |
| 22:19.06 | qupada | edgy: http://qupada.orcon.net.nz/trash.desktop |
| 22:19.10 | edgy | sputnick: what distro are you using? |
| 22:19.50 | sputnick | debian lenny edgy |
| 22:20.12 | sputnick | funny lenny & edgy in the same time :) |
| 22:20.19 | edgy | qupada: I cp your file to the desktop should I log off? |
| 22:20.25 | qupada | edgy: nope |
| 22:20.43 | edgy | qupada: so? I cannot see a trash icon still |
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| 22:21.53 | sputnick | how tell dcop to make a new line ? dcop klipper klipper setClipboardContents "Cheers,\n first name second name |
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| 22:22.30 | qupada | edgy: i really don't know then. worked fine here (i don't normally have a trash icon but i put that file on my desktop and one showed up |
| 22:23.01 | thingy | sputnick, you still interested in the the clipboard paste text thing? |
| 22:23.17 | edgy | qupada: ok I now found if I used to konqueror to see my Desktop I see the icon on konqueror window but nothing on my desktop, ok let me log off and try again ... |
| 22:23.19 | edgy | back soon |
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| 22:23.26 | thingy | sputnick, if so, found a solution...here http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/KeyboardMacrosInLinux ...specifically this link: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/Xcb |
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| 22:25.54 | edgy | qupada: thx after relogging it works |
| 22:26.34 | dcosson | does anybody know off hand the best venue for support for K3b issues? bugzilla, mailing list, other? |
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| 22:27.45 | edgy | qupada: i also found I could add it's applet to the panel. nice! |
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| 22:30.59 | qupada | edgy: i have my panel on the 'tiny' size, prefer to keep it empty |
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| 22:34.31 | sputnick | how add CONTROL+V at the end of my shortcut ? dcop klipper klipper setClipboardContents "Cheers, name" ; ^V ? |
| 22:34.54 | sputnick | thingy> doesn't compile :/ |
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| 22:36.25 | Yaco2 | Hello |
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| 22:43.19 | Dllbrt | I can't make a bug report on KPPP because I am using a version older than 3.5.0. But this problem exists in the Mandriva release of 6 months ago and there's no bug report on what I've seen. |
| 22:44.15 | Jejem | Dllbrt: just consider upgrading |
| 22:44.36 | Dllbrt | No. It's the recent versions, not the old ones, that have the problem |
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| 22:45.01 | Dllbrt | The version from KDE 3.2 works. Versions of KPPP since then have problems |
| 22:45.20 | Jejem | your kde version is ? |
| 22:45.29 | Dllbrt | I'm running 3.4.2 now |
| 22:45.38 | Dllbrt | but |
| 22:45.48 | Dllbrt | I installed the kppp from 3.2 |
| 22:45.52 | Jejem | and what about 3.5 series? |
| 22:46.10 | Dllbrt | I tried that in Mandriva 2007 and saw crashes too |
| 22:46.19 | Jejem | try with KDE 3.5.7 :) |
| 22:46.38 | Dllbrt | how do I put that on Mandriva 2006 |
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| 22:46.44 | Dllbrt | using dialup? |
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| 22:48.51 | Dllbrt | would it be possible to download just the kppp rpm or maybe a source file? |
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| 22:52.29 | Dllbrt | gotta go. check out kppp for segfaulting. I did a gdb run and backtrace, and didn't get much of use |
| 22:52.52 | Jejem | :/ |
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| 22:53.02 | Dllbrt | gdb) backtrace |
| 22:53.04 | Dllbrt | #0 0xb7679503 in QString::find () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 22:53.29 | Dllbrt | and now I gotta go |
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| 23:54.00 | Duesentrieb | hi all. I'm looking for a way for a script to find out if a given torrent has been fully downloaded by KTorrent. i guess the info is buried in ~/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent/ somewhere... |
| 23:54.13 | Duesentrieb | so, anyone familiar with the internals of ktorrent? |
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| 23:54.46 | Duesentrieb | basically, what i'm trying to do is "when its complete, make a symlink in my music dir" |
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| 23:57.02 | karma | Howdy, I dont know how, but I've managed to create an icon called "desktop" in my home folder where the contents of my actual desktop are, while on my actual screen background I see icons for trash, home, and system. If I save something to my "desktop" it doesn't show up on the screen but in whats called "desktop" in my home folder. Does anyone know what I might have done and how I can fix it? |
| 23:57.48 | *** join/#kde kaustav (n=kaustav@203.145.188.131) |
| 23:58.19 | Duesentrieb | karma: normally, what you see on the screen is in ~/Desktop, not in ~/desktop |
| 23:58.27 | Duesentrieb | perhaps that got you confused? |
