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| 00:08.26 | borgy | what's aRTs |
| 00:08.27 | borgy | ? |
| 00:09.16 | Kebianizao | ~arts |
| 00:09.22 | apt | Analog realtime synthesizer. URL: http://linux.twc.de/arts/ |
| 00:11.00 | borgy | what does it do? |
| 00:11.07 | borgy | is it for alsa or what? |
| 00:12.38 | lilltiger | is the kickoff menu worth installing |
| 00:13.42 | Kebianizao | lilltiger: depends on your tastes, try |
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| 00:35.10 | Lanken | in the file selection (save and open) dialogs, is there a hotkey to put the cursor in the adress bar? |
| 00:35.14 | Lanken | I keep hitting ctrl-L thinking it's like a browser. |
| 00:37.32 | Kebianizao | Lanken: F6 |
| 00:38.07 | Lanken | where can I re-key that? |
| 00:38.12 | Lanken | I'm not a big fan of f-keys |
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| 00:38.24 | Lanken | Kebianizao: and thanks! |
| 00:38.45 | Kebianizao | Lanken: np |
| 00:38.59 | Kebianizao | look into konqueror preferences or into kde prerences |
| 00:39.13 | wolsni | Lanken: does that work? it doesn't for me |
| 00:39.37 | Lanken | wolsni: ...no, it doesn't. Hmph. |
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| 00:40.18 | Lanken | 3.5.5 here. |
| 00:41.06 | Kebianizao | from where are you using the key? |
| 00:41.26 | Lanken | "Open File" dialog for Kate |
| 00:41.39 | Lanken | cursor is in "the location" bar, where you write the filename. |
| 00:42.02 | Kebianizao | oh, sorry that shortcut was for konqueror |
| 00:42.07 | Lanken | oh, heh. |
| 00:42.29 | Lanken | it turns out you can enter urls (sftp://) in the Location bar at the bottom. |
| 00:42.43 | Lanken | I'm used to doing it in the one at the top, but this works. |
| 00:43.20 | Lanken | man, this one server on campus hates me today. |
| 00:43.33 | Lanken | I think it got miffed at me for ssh-ing in too many times. |
| 00:43.44 | Lanken | it couldn't have been *that* many though. |
| 00:43.52 | Lanken | I never automated it |
| 00:44.03 | Kebianizao | I'm afraid there isn't |
| 00:44.15 | Kebianizao | but writing where you said you were should also work |
| 00:44.26 | Lanken | yeah, this will do :) |
| 00:44.39 | Lanken | man, the gnome file-select dialogs really bit the big one... |
| 00:44.49 | Lanken | I'm constantly fighting with them. |
| 00:44.57 | Lanken | </preachtochoir> |
| 00:45.01 | mrigns | brr new styled desktop |
| 00:45.03 | mrigns | http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9881/bildschirmfotoxh3.png |
| 00:45.11 | wolsni | Lanken: if you start typing you can just enter a file path |
| 00:45.56 | Lanken | mrigns: wtf that's gnome. |
| 00:45.58 | Lanken | get out. |
| 00:46.01 | mrigns | :D |
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| 00:46.09 | Lanken | wolsni: that's what I discovered. |
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| 00:46.11 | mrigns | kde is on the virtual machine |
| 00:46.15 | Lanken | I wonder if it tab-completes local adresses. |
| 00:46.28 | Lanken | answer: yes. |
| 00:46.37 | wolsni | Lanken: good to know |
| 00:46.37 | mrigns | i started recetly dusing kde. ive using gnome since, well dunno 7 years |
| 00:46.56 | Lanken | but kde is so much betterer. |
| 00:47.01 | Lanken | konq >>> all others. |
| 00:47.06 | Lanken | for file-management, at least. |
| 00:47.08 | mrigns | im just not used to it |
| 00:47.14 | Lanken | aha. |
| 00:47.27 | wolsni | mrigns: you can make it as gnome-like as you care to |
| 00:47.38 | wolsni | or as 'gnome defaults'-like, that is |
| 00:47.55 | mrigns | i know |
| 00:48.08 | Lanken | gnome doesn't have 'defaults.' They're only defaults if you can change them. |
| 00:48.23 | Lanken | or.... |
| 00:48.25 | mrigns | i waiting for kde4 |
| 00:48.31 | mrigns | using dbus |
| 00:48.39 | mrigns | to switch permanently |
| 00:48.39 | Lanken | mrigns: don't let these sillies convince you it's going to be this year. |
| 00:48.50 | Lanken | I'd bet 2:1 it's not out until april. |
| 00:49.00 | mrigns | :( |
| 00:49.00 | wolsni | mrigns: dbus is that big a deal to you? kde already has IPC with dcop |
| 00:49.04 | Lanken | then again, there could be a viable RC as early as december I think. |
| 00:49.21 | mrigns | i got these magical dbus skills you know :D |
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| 00:50.07 | wolsni | i have no experience with dbus, but I'd guess that if you can handle it dcop shouldn't be too difficult |
| 00:50.33 | mrigns | ya but dcop is dropped so i dont bother learning to use it well |
| 00:50.40 | Lanken | drat. another question. Is it possible to reorder the text files in kates "documents" panel? |
| 00:51.18 | Lanken | you can sort by URL, when opened and filename. so I guess you can't reorder them manually. |
| 00:51.20 | wolsni | mrigns: you'll be waiting 6 months MINIMUM for kde4; it'll take you 10 minutes to learn dcop |
| 00:51.21 | Lanken | no big deal. |
| 00:52.06 | Lanken | dimensional analysis ftw. |
| 00:52.36 | mrigns | wolsni: i already started using kde, but if i start changing all pc to kde my wife will kill me |
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| 00:53.13 | mrigns | she's not that geeky to be able to handle this :D |
| 00:53.13 | wolsni | mrigns: there's no reason you can't have KDE installed at the same time as whatever you're using now |
| 00:53.25 | raasclat | i totally agree with whoever slated the gnome file-select dialogs |
| 00:53.44 | Kebianizao | bye |
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| 00:55.09 | mrigns-vm | brrr |
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| 00:56.35 | mrigns | wolsni: http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/322/bildschirmfoto1cx9.png |
| 00:56.43 | mrigns | u c. i'm using kde :D |
| 00:57.09 | wolsni | mrigns: splendid |
| 00:57.19 | mrigns | i just dont like a system with more than one DEs |
| 00:57.45 | mrigns | i also got kde installed on another machine |
| 00:58.28 | mrigns | it's not a space issue ;P |
| 00:58.34 | mrigns | i got plenty of it |
| 00:58.41 | mrigns-vm | no zou dont |
| 00:58.44 | mrigns | yes i do |
| 00:58.55 | mrigns-vm | grrr |
| 00:59.43 | Simeon_H | oy mrigns-vm, what client are you using that? |
| 01:00.02 | mrigns | konversation |
| 01:00.33 | Simeon_H | I'm maaaaaaaaaaaaaaad |
| 01:00.37 | Simeon_H | MWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH |
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| 01:00.44 | mrigns | wtf |
| 01:01.44 | mrigns | im using xchat on gnome and in in my windows guest though |
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| 01:03.34 | Simeon_H | I have very limited C knowledge |
| 01:03.37 | Simeon_H | scanf ftw |
| 01:03.57 | wolsni | Simeon_H: did I miss part of a conversation that led up to that comment? |
| 01:04.05 | Simeon_H | nope |
| 01:04.11 | Simeon_H | just me being totally random |
| 01:04.18 | mrigns | lol |
| 01:06.12 | Simeon_H | I don't know what the problem with scanf is |
| 01:06.14 | Simeon_H | :s |
| 01:06.58 | mrigns | what the hell are you talking about? |
| 01:07.41 | Simeon_H | I don't even know anymore |
| 01:08.51 | raasclat | Simeon_H, a quick google will tell you the risks |
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| 01:11.16 | black_13 | can kde be used for a kiosk |
| 01:11.52 | wolsni | http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/kiosk/index.html |
| 01:11.58 | wolsni | black_13: ^^ |
| 01:14.27 | Simeon_H | kde can be used on just about anything |
| 01:15.06 | mrigns | if you install kp0wn it can be used as a weapon |
| 01:15.33 | mrigns | ~porn |
| 01:15.44 | apt | Porn remains one of the largest problems with Open Source Software. Often causing development delays, flooded links and, in extreme cases, disabling programmers ability to type. |
| 01:15.45 | wolsni | or you can install katapult to attack at long range |
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| 01:17.00 | Simeon_H | HAHAHAHAH |
| 01:17.10 | Simeon_H | broken wrists |
| 01:17.12 | Simeon_H | :P |
| 01:17.21 | mrigns | ~sex |
| 01:17.23 | apt | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/ |
| 01:17.39 | canllaith | Why is apt talking about pron and sex in a help channel? |
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| 01:17.51 | Simeon_H | :o |
| 01:18.14 | mrigns | canllaith: i thinks its pinotrees bot |
| 01:19.04 | canllaith | It's been around a very very very long time |
| 01:19.25 | mrigns | not any more ;P |
| 01:20.02 | canllaith | Well, we'll see if it can be cleaned up a bit. |
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| 01:44.13 | ozymandias | how the heck to i resize the damn panels/taskbar? all I can figure out how to change is the main one, and thats not the one that is annoying |
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| 01:45.18 | wolsni | ozymandias: the other panels should show up in a dropdown in the config dialog |
| 01:45.38 | wolsni | if they don't, try running 'dcop kicker kicker restart' in a shell or logging out/back in |
| 01:45.50 | ozymandias | the only one that does is "universial sidebar" which I closed and got rid of already |
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| 01:45.56 | ozymandias | thanks |
| 01:46.38 | ozymandias | I LOVE YOU |
| 01:47.17 | wolsni | o_O |
| 01:47.18 | ozymandias | now, if you can tell me how to swap locations of my main panel and "panel" i could not be any more happy |
| 01:47.29 | ozymandias | the oversized panel was really annoying me |
| 01:47.49 | wolsni | ozymandias: you can move them around just by dragging |
| 01:48.19 | ozymandias | i want them both on the bottom of the screen, but I want the main one to be above the "panel" |
| 01:48.26 | ozymandias | it insists on being on the bottom |
| 01:48.38 | ozymandias | i suppose I could just swap the contents of the two bars |
| 01:48.50 | wolsni | ozymandias: i think that's your best option |
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| 01:49.02 | wolsni | have you tried moving the main panel to another edge, and then back? |
| 01:49.10 | ozymandias | Yeah |
| 01:49.38 | wolsni | s/best/only/ in that case :P |
| 01:50.29 | ozymandias | thanks |
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| 01:50.55 | ozymandias | as much as I hate to say it, i use windows so much at work that it bothers me when my linux taskbars are wildly different organized |
| 01:51.44 | ozymandias | i am used to shortcuts and aps being here, running apps there, etc |
| 01:51.44 | wolsni | ozymandias: nothing wrong with wanting to have similar configurations on different workstations |
| 01:51.45 | black_13 | ozymandias, oh ye mighty king of kings |
| 01:51.52 | ozymandias | ;-) |
| 01:52.06 | ozymandias | this is a refreching channel |
| 01:52.13 | ozymandias | i had just about given up on freenode |
| 01:52.18 | ozymandias | er, refreshing |
| 01:52.32 | wolsni | nothing happened ? |
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| 01:52.37 | ozymandias | Laughs Out Loud |
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| 01:53.27 | ozymandias | so when I was installing kde, i noticed that superkaramba was installed -- how would I go about starting that to play with? |
| 01:53.35 | ozymandias | been 9 months since I used it |
| 01:53.53 | wolsni | ozymandias: go to kde-look.org, find a theme you like, download it and double click on the theme file |
| 01:54.01 | ozymandias | thats all? nice |
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| 01:54.43 | wolsni | http://liquidweather.net/ has a pretty slick theme |
| 01:55.15 | ozymandias | Nice |
| 01:55.21 | black_13 | wolsni, i see something about kde administration but how do i get kde to run a single application with not taskbar or icons? |
| 01:55.52 | wolsni | black_13: "killall kicker kdesktop" should do the trick |
| 01:55.53 | themanmike | does anybody know how to find a I386 retrace for a bug report?? |
| 01:56.30 | wolsni | black_13: of course, i'm not sure how you'd initiate a clean logout after that :) |
| 01:56.48 | black_13 | hum |
| 01:57.59 | wolsni | black_13: there's also an option in the window menu to run any program full-screen |
| 01:58.50 | black_13 | this is starting to sound like a scient project |
| 01:58.55 | black_13 | science project |
| 02:01.06 | wolsni | black_13: what are you trying to do? |
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| 02:03.28 | black_13 | wolsni, build a base for video slot machine |
| 02:04.23 | wolsni | black_13: so then logging in and out isn't a huge problem for you |
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| 02:06.19 | black_13 | wolsni, in fact it should autolog in |
| 02:07.43 | wolsni | black_13: and then stay logged in until you turn it off, right? |
| 02:08.12 | black_13 | yes |
| 02:08.41 | black_13 | wolsni, what should happen is the slot softhware should be started |
| 02:09.04 | black_13 | and i would like dual head support |
| 02:09.24 | wolsni | black_13: you should look into having the slot machine program run INSTEAD of a desktop environment |
| 02:09.27 | black_13 | one head is the slot machine and the other display runs a banner or a video |
| 02:09.45 | black_13 | wolsni, yes but it runs in xorg |
| 02:10.08 | wolsni | black_13: that should still be doable |
| 02:10.09 | black_13 | and if xorg dies for some reason you need to restart xorg (kdm) |
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| 02:12.35 | black_13 | wolsni, lay it on me |
| 02:13.06 | wolsni | black_13: look here for information on how to define your own KDM sessions: |
| 02:13.13 | wolsni | http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/kdm/different-window-managers-with-kdm.html |
| 02:14.32 | black_13 | wolsni, thanks |
| 02:14.41 | wolsni | black_13: good luck |
| 02:16.02 | black_13 | wolsni, what is a kdm session or |
| 02:16.09 | black_13 | own session i mean |
| 02:16.53 | wolsni | black_13: is English your first language? |
| 02:17.18 | wolsni | when I say 'define your own KDM sessions' I mean 'define KDM sessions for yourself' |
| 02:17.40 | black_13 | oh |
| 02:17.52 | black_13 | wolsni, btw dyslexia |
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| 02:18.47 | Simeon_H | who's bright idea was it to make the word "dyslexia" so complicated |
| 02:18.55 | Simeon_H | and who put an s in "lisp" |
| 02:18.56 | Simeon_H | > > |
| 02:19.02 | Simeon_H | sadist probably |
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| 02:26.49 | derrley | does kate save it's settings somewhere? like the settings for color themes? |
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| 02:27.08 | SAM2210 | Hello |
| 02:31.46 | smileaf | derrley: syntax highlighting? |
| 02:32.02 | Kyral | .kde/apps/config/katepart? |
| 02:32.04 | Kyral | or somesuch? |
| 02:32.34 | smileaf | ~/.kde/share/apps/katepart/syntax |
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| 02:35.48 | derrley | got it |
| 02:35.50 | derrley | thank you guys |
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| 02:47.34 | ozymandias | how do i disable the giant tooltips? |
| 02:48.06 | wolsni | ozymandias: you mean the super cool fade-in effects for kicker? |
| 02:48.10 | ozymandias | Yeah |
| 02:48.29 | ozymandias | they are nice, but unneeded |
| 02:48.42 | ozymandias | actually |
| 02:48.42 | lilltiger | configure panel -> apperance -> enable icon mouse over effects << deactivate |
| 02:48.54 | ozymandias | if i could make the tooltip take 3x the mousehoover to trigger... |
| 02:48.58 | ozymandias | thanks |
| 02:49.20 | lilltiger | i prefered the old way where the icon got larger.. |
| 02:49.33 | ozymandias | ah, this is what i wanted! |
| 02:49.34 | ozymandias | thanks |
| 02:49.37 | yetifoot | mousehoover sounds so much cooler than mousehover |
| 02:49.41 | grepper | be nice to be able to select which parts get tooltips |
| 02:49.45 | ozymandias | i like having SOME tooltip in case i forget what an icon is |
| 02:50.20 | lilltiger | well if you forget, just press and see.. :) |
| 02:50.24 | grepper | I'd just enable it for the clock and perhaps a few systray icons |
| 02:50.25 | ozymandias | Laughs Out Loud |
| 02:50.34 | lrathbon | ozymandias, lawl |
| 02:51.07 | lrathbon | lilalinux, THANK YOU... I liked that so much more than the current tooltips, which are annoying |
| 02:52.01 | lrathbon | I think they removed it because it was a hack from like the KDE2 days |
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| 02:54.56 | ahuman | hi all .. need some help... konqueror does not show a address bar anymore .. how do I get it back? |
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| 02:55.44 | wolsni | ahuman: right click on any of the other toolbars and select toolbars->Location Toolbar from the context menu |
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| 02:57.19 | grepper | I think it was removed cause it seemed like a Mac ripoff |
| 02:57.36 | ahuman | wolsni, well, I see no such thing as the Location toolbar in the list that you get when you select Configure Toolsbars |
| 02:58.32 | wolsni | ahuman: it should be where I said, and it should be in Settings->Toolbars as well |
| 02:59.13 | smileaf | should have a checkmark next to it if its enabled =) |
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| 03:05.29 | ahuman | hmm . I was using a file management Profile shortcut before I upgraded to Kubuntu 7.04 .. I removed that Panel shortcut and made another one and now I can see Location toolbar. Thanks all |
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| 03:05.45 | spawn57 | do any of yo use kmobile tools? |
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| 03:18.28 | sputn1ck | hi there |
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| 03:21.20 | sputn1ck | I'm looking for somethink to paste some text like with "win + G" (shortkey). in thunderbird or anything else. is there somethin to do it ? |
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| 03:24.00 | yetifoot | pasting text, i normally try shift+insert |
| 03:24.04 | yetifoot | did you try that? |
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| 03:26.58 | ozymandias | why win g? |
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| 03:27.36 | ozymandias | i use control v to paste |
| 03:27.54 | Simeon_H | OMG |
| 03:28.01 | yetifoot | i find control v doesn't always work |
| 03:28.02 | Simeon_H | Richard Stallman is a megahippie |
| 03:28.28 | yetifoot | stallman is a disaster |
| 03:28.47 | Simeon_H | Donate to the campaign to legalize marijuana in Nevada. |
| 03:28.56 | Simeon_H | yep |
| 03:29.01 | Simeon_H | uberhippie |
| 03:29.01 | yetifoot | i agree with the 'shut up and show them the code' philosophy, but i don't really like raymond either |
| 03:32.15 | Simeon_H | I'm sure Richard Stallman and I would go together like peas and carrots |
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| 03:33.35 | Simeon_H | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.35 | Simeon_H | I'm annoyed by the gratuitous suggestion that you say that the ANWR wilderness was "god-given", which presumes absurd views on the nature of the universe. I suggest editing out that part of the letter. |
| 03:34.04 | Simeon_H | oh, and I'm a right wing christian |
| 03:34.33 | ozymandias | you can get an education and cure that now ;-) |
| 03:34.51 | Simeon_H | don't be an idiot |
| 03:34.59 | Simeon_H | I can believe what I want to believe |
| 03:35.18 | Simeon_H | if I didn't believe in god I would have commited suicide before I made it to high school |
| 03:35.33 | ozymandias | ... your logic fails |
| 03:35.50 | ozymandias | one does not follow the other |
| 03:36.07 | Simeon_H | because I'm alone |
| 03:36.13 | Simeon_H | and have very few friends |
| 03:36.15 | ozymandias | infact, many athiests avoid suicide due to the fact that "thats all there is" |
| 03:36.21 | Simeon_H | I want at least SOMEONE to believe in me |
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| 03:36.35 | Simeon_H | I'd much rather cease to exist |
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| 03:37.36 | yetifoot | wow, people still believe in a god? i thought that went out with the ark :P |
| 03:37.43 | ozymandias | so did i |
| 03:38.11 | ozymandias | Simeon_H atleast say you are not catholic or baptist |
| 03:38.12 | Simeon_H | I just like to believe I have a purpose |
| 03:38.16 | Simeon_H | nope |
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| 03:38.24 | ozymandias | ÒkÍè ÐøKîÉ |
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| 03:38.29 | Simeon_H | I'm an australian anglican |
| 03:38.30 | ozymandias | i can deal with that, i suppose |
| 03:38.38 | Simeon_H | and I never go to church these days |
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| 03:38.47 | yetifoot | i was saying the other day to a friend, it will be funny in N years, when EVERYBODY is laughing about christians the way they do about pagans, greek gods etc |
| 03:38.47 | ozymandias | getting warmer ;-) |
| 03:38.56 | ozymandias | Yeah |
| 03:39.38 | lrathbon | I agree that marijuana should be legalized, personally. I've never smoked it in my life. |
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| 03:39.39 | yetifoot | or maybe we'll be living in an extremist society, where you get stoned to death for such statements |
| 03:39.59 | Simeon_H | you can believe what you want to believe |
| 03:40.07 | Simeon_H | I believe in life outside of earth |
| 03:40.08 | morphinex | hey folks, I have a question about getting a bookmarklet to work |
| 03:40.37 | yetifoot | my view is that whatever way it goes, it should be fair, like if they ban marijuana, they should ban alcohol/nictotine too |
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| 03:41.27 | eternaleye | There is a simple solution: Legalize it all, but triple penalty for crimes committed under the influence |
| 03:41.44 | lrathbon | people can do whatever the hell they want with themselves as far as I care, as long as they keep it to themselves and don't force it upon anyone, or put anyone in danger because of it |
| 03:41.51 | yetifoot | yeah, i'd agree with that |
| 03:42.06 | Simeon_H | well, nicotine and alcohol don't induce as many hallucinations as marijuana |
| 03:42.14 | Simeon_H | or as easily |
| 03:42.30 | Simeon_H | alcohol just makes you tell you're friends you really love them |
| 03:42.32 | eternaleye | Alcohol is dangerous especially because people don't think it's dangerous |
| 03:42.32 | yetifoot | ? drunkeness is worse than anything marijuana can visit upon you |
| 03:42.54 | eternaleye | <--- teetotaler |
| 03:43.00 | yetifoot | how many stoners ever tried to start a fight with you in the town center? |
| 03:43.07 | Simeon_H | dunno |
| 03:43.10 | lrathbon | it's not physically addictive either |
| 03:43.14 | eternaleye | ... |
| 03:43.22 | Simeon_H | but a lot of them have jumped out of windows to escape pink elephants |
| 03:43.28 | lrathbon | and the laws are not a successful deterrent |
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| 03:43.44 | Simeon_H | I am also strongly against capital punishment |
| 03:44.13 | yetifoot | Simeon_H, you're confusing it with stuff like LSD |
| 03:44.13 | lrathbon | Simeon_H, good :) |
| 03:44.14 | ozymandias | 1979<-- the year the pope admitted galileo was right and the church was wrong to treat him so pourly |
| 03:44.14 | Simeon_H | seeing as it has been abolished in Australia since the 1950's |
| 03:44.24 | yetifoot | its not happened here for about 40 years either (UK) |
| 03:44.27 | eternaleye | Marijuana == minor hallucinations, like "wavy" effects, dizziness, "mellowing", etc |
| 03:44.36 | yetifoot | maybe 50 actually, not too sure |
| 03:44.50 | ozymandias | yeah, here int eh US, we have a president who has a history of sending mentally hanicapped people to death through capitol punishment |
| 03:44.54 | eternaleye | My friends who do pot are less dangerous than my friends who drink |
| 03:45.25 | Simeon_H | ok pots fine, so long as you don't smoke it |
| 03:45.31 | ozymandias | Laughs Out Loud |
| 03:45.34 | yetifoot | eternaleye, i agree, i'm not a big fan of pot, but i know who i'd rather stumble into when they are intoxicated |
| 03:45.42 | ozymandias | less cancer cuasing chemicals in pot than tobacco |
| 03:45.47 | Simeon_H | yeah |
| 03:45.51 | lrathbon | and plus, do you know anyone who wants to smoke marijuana, but doesn't, because it's illegal?? |
| 03:46.01 | ozymandias | less addicitive chemicals, too |
| 03:46.03 | Simeon_H | It never appealed to me |
| 03:46.04 | eternaleye | And nicotine, by mass, is more addictive than crack cocaine |
| 03:46.14 | lrathbon | plus you don't smoke "a pack a day" of marijuana... |
| 03:46.25 | ozymandias | yuo COULD if it was cheaper ;-) |
| 03:46.32 | Simeon_H | a glass of red wine every now and then is ok |
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| 03:46.37 | Simeon_H | and I never plan to smoke |
| 03:46.45 | lrathbon | me neither |
| 03:46.53 | eternaleye | True, and there are benefits from some components for the heart, etc |
| 03:47.02 | eternaleye | in wine, tha is |
| 03:47.02 | yetifoot | some people do get addicted to marijuana, whether its psychological, or physiological, i don't know, but i've seen it |
| 03:47.12 | lrathbon | but I don't care if other people do, as long as it's not around me... none of my business what others do to themselves (re: smoking) |
| 03:47.16 | Simeon_H | they just like the feeling I guess |
| 03:47.39 | Simeon_H | kinda like if you have a reeeeeeeeeealy expensive meal and you know you won't be having it again |
| 03:47.47 | Simeon_H | and it tasted awesome |
| 03:48.45 | eternaleye | #kde - Koders Discussing Euphoric substances |
| 03:48.51 | lrathbon | hahah |
| 03:48.52 | Simeon_H | I also support green energy, not for environmental issues, but for sustainability |
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| 03:49.02 | yetifoot | so, Simeon_H, did you just come here to start an offtopic/troll, religion, drugs, capital punishment, thats a good way to start |
| 03:49.06 | eternaleye | <thumbsup> |
| 03:49.22 | Simeon_H | no |
| 03:49.38 | Lanken | here's a question. |
| 03:49.39 | Simeon_H | I'm always here while my IRC client is on |
| 03:50.00 | Lanken | if I open my ~/.thumbnails folder in konqueror, does it start generating thumbnails for the thumbnails? |
| 03:50.09 | Simeon_H | oh yeah |
| 03:50.11 | Simeon_H | topicd |
| 03:50.45 | yetifoot | Lanken, that would be a bit crazy |
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| 03:51.24 | ozymandias | is KDE translucency pretty stable yet? |
| 03:51.46 | eternaleye | Well, I was just browsing it in Konq, and it didn't seem like it was breeding, so maybe it either has an escape on .thumbnails or anything already thumbnail size doesn't get regenerated |
| 03:51.54 | Lanken | do people's lives depend on your not having to restart X? |
| 03:52.19 | Lanken | I hope it's the latter, but I suspect it's not. |
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| 03:52.33 | Lanken | I have a thumbnail of a 16x16 icon in .thumbnails/large/ |
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| 03:52.46 | Simeon_H | well maybe if you believe in climate change |
| 03:52.53 | Kyral | Lanken: It generates them if they aren't in the cache |
| 03:53.13 | Simeon_H | you're using more fossil fuels |
| 03:53.14 | Simeon_H | I dunno |
| 03:53.15 | Lanken | Kyral: ram? |
| 03:53.21 | Simeon_H | that might kill some people |
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| 03:53.48 | Kyral | (ie, if you open it for the first time, it generates the cache of thumbnails, then next time you open it (within like a week or soemthing) instead of regenerating them it just grabs them from that folder |
| 03:53.48 | ozymandias | and is there anyway to make kicker not use translucency? |
| 03:54.13 | yetifoot | ozymandias, last time i tried it it seemed ok, it seems to be running all the time here anyway, even though its turned off, sometimes i catch it being translucent, then quickly turn to opaque, hoping i won't notice |
| 03:54.30 | ozymandias | yetifoot nice |
| 03:54.43 | Lanken | Kyral: so the files in .thumbnails/ have a lifespan? |
| 03:54.45 | ozymandias | it bothers me when kicker is opaque |
| 03:54.52 | Lanken | Kyral: they get deleted after a week? |
| 03:55.00 | Lanken | (or something like that) |
| 03:57.17 | Kyral | Lanken: I dunno |
| 03:57.23 | Kyral | I'd assume so |
| 03:57.34 | Kyral | because of the word "cache" |
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| 05:30.52 | undesktop | default policy is accept all |
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| 05:34.04 | Borg^Queen | Hi quick question for baghira theme users. Is there a way for me to have the active item on kicker's taskbar highlighted? For example say I have 3 konq sessions open, is there away to differentiate the active konq on the taskbar? |
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| 05:43.25 | Borg^Queen | anyone? |
| 05:43.50 | undesktop | I don't think they answer to questions here |
| 05:43.51 | logixoul | are you sure you're using the latest version - 0.7? |
| 05:43.57 | logixoul | undesktop: wtf?! |
| 05:44.03 | Borg^Queen | I don't think it is |
| 05:44.09 | Borg^Queen | next to latest |
| 05:44.15 | Borg^Queen | pardon? |
| 05:44.16 | undesktop | at least for me didn't anyone yet |
| 05:44.18 | Borg^Queen | undesktop? |
| 05:44.34 | Borg^Queen | Oh I see |
| 05:45.07 | Borg^Queen | well it takes times, some are a sleep, some are working, some are eating, or at the loo, |
| 05:45.09 | logixoul | undesktop: dude, quit whining. if no one answers you, then ask again in 10 minutes. we aren't paid to listen to ya |
| 05:45.16 | Borg^Queen | one must be patient |
| 05:45.17 | undesktop | ok |
| 05:45.22 | Borg^Queen | undesktop: what is your question? |
| 05:45.23 | undesktop | why doesn't Konqueror reject cookies for a specific site where I set the policy to "reject"? |
| 05:45.29 | Borg^Queen | logixoul: you were saying |
| 05:45.42 | Borg^Queen | undesktop: go to settings |
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| 05:45.44 | Borg^Queen | cookies |
| 05:45.51 | Borg^Queen | verify your settings there |
| 05:46.02 | undesktop | ok, verified |
| 05:46.23 | Borg^Queen | check if there's a global accept setup some where |
| 05:46.35 | logixoul | Borg^Queen: last time I used baghira I don't recall being bothered by the taskbar appearance, which seems to indicate the problem's been fixed in 0.7. so try it ;) |
| 05:46.48 | undesktop | "enable cookies" and "only accept ... from originating server" is checked, and "accept all cookies" as default policy |
| 05:47.27 | Borg^Queen | logixoul: well what I mean is, is there away for the active item's taskbar entry to stand out from the others to indicate that it is the currently active one?> |
| 05:47.54 | logixoul | undesktop: is the site in question present in the Site Policy list in there? |
| 05:48.01 | Borg^Queen | ok under site policy do a search for the website in question |
| 05:48.05 | undesktop | logixoul: yes, ".google.com" with policy "reject" is set as site specific cookie policy |
| 05:48.13 | Borg^Queen | logixoul: ooh in stereo |
| 05:48.21 | logixoul | hehe |
| 05:48.31 | undesktop | but when I visit google.com, it sets a cookie (same for google.de, with its cookie policy) |
| 05:48.33 | Borg^Queen | undesktop: now move to the next tab over |
| 05:48.53 | Borg^Queen | you may already HAVE their cookies |
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| 05:49.21 | undesktop | Borg^Queen: yes, I deleted it and tried it again multiple times |
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| 05:49.33 | logixoul | Borg^Queen: and what I meant is: I believe 0.7 has added the ability to differentiate the active taskbar button... |
| 05:49.41 | logixoul | Borg^Queen: so update |
| 05:49.45 | Borg^Queen | logixoul: understood |
| 05:49.49 | Borg^Queen | doing so now |
| 05:50.10 | Borg^Queen | ok my problem solved, |
| 05:50.22 | Borg^Queen | undesktop: look through everything carefully |
| 05:50.57 | logixoul | Borg^Queen: you the same borg queen from kde-look.org? you seem to have a full-time job posting on that site man :P your comments are everywhere |
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| 05:51.22 | Borg^Queen | logixoul: I like to encourage people. |
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| 05:51.28 | logixoul | right, kay |
| 05:51.39 | Borg^Queen | I greatly appreciate people who work hard and then share. |
| 05:51.47 | Borg^Queen | Thank you, is something not often said. |
| 05:51.53 | undesktop | Borg^Queen: hm, interesting |
| 05:51.53 | Borg^Queen | btw, thanks |
| 05:52.03 | logixoul | Borg^Queen: ok so how did you fix the baghira problem? |
| 05:52.16 | undesktop | Borg^Queen: for a test, I set the policy to "ask", and when going to Google, it actually asked |
| 05:52.19 | Borg^Queen | working on it, going to compile it |
| 05:52.32 | Borg^Queen | undesktop: is that ok? |
| 05:52.49 | undesktop | Borg^Queen: when I chose "always for this domain" or so, and pressed "reject", Konqueror changed the cookie policy back to "reject" in the settings dialog |
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| 05:53.16 | undesktop | Borg^Queen: and now, the cookie is really _rejected_, unlike before... although nothing really changed! |
| 05:53.35 | Borg^Queen | Its was refreshed |
| 05:53.49 | undesktop | Borg^Queen: aha? |
| 05:54.11 | undesktop | Borg^Queen: so it simply didn't apply my settings in the first place? but why? |
| 05:54.17 | Borg^Queen | sometimes you need to reset something for it to work properly |
| 05:54.24 | Borg^Queen | pretty much |
| 05:54.39 | undesktop | *shrug* it was a new instance, and the settings where there before |
| 05:54.48 | undesktop | only thing I did was deleting some existing cookies |
| 05:55.01 | logixoul | undesktop: well, that must've been the thing then :) |
| 05:55.16 | logixoul | undesktop: "Reject" doesn't mean "Delete existing cookies" |
| 05:55.29 | logixoul | so that's one part you had to do by yourself |
| 05:55.38 | logixoul | (as borg suggested earlier, actually) |
| 05:55.40 | undesktop | logixoul: like I said, I _did_ delete existing cookies (manually), but I _didn't_ change the settings |
| 05:55.46 | Borg^Queen | ok now lets hit him with sticks |
| 05:55.58 | undesktop | I didn't do anything wrong |
| 05:56.01 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 05:56.06 | Borg^Queen | ok don't hit him |
| 05:56.12 | logixoul | well too late :P |
| 05:56.19 | Borg^Queen | ouch |
| 05:56.30 | undesktop | so please explain what I did wrong... except not knowing Konqueror bugs |
| 05:56.57 | Borg^Queen | You didn't do anything wrong |
| 05:57.04 | Borg^Queen | sometimes things just need to be reset |
| 05:57.31 | undesktop | yes, resets are needed exactly when things are buggy |
| 05:57.32 | Borg^Queen | sometimes things become a little buggy after a bad reboot, a sudden improper shut down |
| 05:57.39 | Borg^Queen | exactly |
| 05:57.44 | undesktop | anyway, I guess it will be resolved in later versions |
| 05:57.50 | Borg^Queen | yes |
| 05:58.04 | undesktop | it didn't have a bad shutdown |
| 05:58.16 | Borg^Queen | ok it was just a suggestion |
| 05:58.17 | logixoul | undesktop: let me get this straight. you deleted existing cookies manually. it was set to "reject". you visited google and you DID get the cookies again, automatically? |
| 05:58.23 | Borg^Queen | speculation really |
| 05:58.32 | undesktop | logixoul: exactly |
| 05:58.39 | Borg^Queen | gremlins |
| 05:58.44 | logixoul | indeed |
| 05:59.17 | undesktop | logixoul: looks like it just ignored the site specific policies... until I modified the policies |
| 05:59.56 | Borg^Queen | ok now that I have my answer, time to sleep |
| 06:00.02 | logixoul | bye borg |
| 06:00.06 | Borg^Queen | thank you again logixoul, good luck undesktop |
| 06:00.13 | Borg^Queen | Night to all |
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| 06:00.31 | logixoul | undesktop: I'd have some diagnostics for you to do if you hadn't solved the problem yet ;) |
| 06:00.44 | undesktop | logixoul: like? |
| 06:01.33 | logixoul | like check on file permissions under ~, check if the system-global (under $KDEDIRS) config has been corrupted somehow... |
| 06:01.55 | logixoul | both not likely to cause the problem unless we have a bug |
| 06:02.03 | undesktop | hm |
| 06:02.55 | logixoul | undesktop: ok both of these are stupid. I don't really know what could've happened :) |
| 06:03.11 | undesktop | neither do I... thank you anyway |
| 06:03.14 | logixoul | np |
| 06:03.40 | undesktop | hm, I have a more advanced cookie question: |
| 06:04.17 | undesktop | it it possible to treat all but some cookies as session-cookies only? i.e. all cookies should be deleted after restart, except cookies from some specific sites |
| 06:05.38 | logixoul | my guess is, you need to use a custom local proxy. should be easy to do in ruby or something. |
| 06:06.02 | logixoul | it'll just change http headers selectively a bit |
| 06:06.05 | logixoul | hmmmm |
| 06:06.12 | logixoul | but that's just for serverside cookies |
| 06:06.15 | logixoul | not for JS ones |
| 06:07.09 | logixoul | ok, tough one |
| 06:07.57 | logixoul | I guess the only way is to implement it in Konq. |
| 06:08.29 | logixoul | but why would you want that? |
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| 06:09.45 | undesktop | why not |
| 06:09.56 | undesktop | i.e. there are some sites where I need a login |
| 06:09.57 | logixoul | um, because cookies cause no harm |
| 06:10.10 | undesktop | on the other hand, there are site like google, where I don't want to leave cookies |
| 06:10.17 | logixoul | you don't wanna be tracked? |
| 06:10.22 | undesktop | exactly |
| 06:10.29 | undesktop | Google queries are stored 3 years |
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| 06:10.46 | logixoul | why not just _reject_ google's cookies? |
| 06:10.58 | logixoul | or it doesn't work then? |
| 06:11.36 | undesktop | the other cookies from any sites would be stored forever... they should be session only |
| 06:12.01 | undesktop | except the cookies from sites where I need login anyway |
| 06:12.47 | logixoul | ok, fair enough. so you want konq's code changed. if you wanna give it a try and you have time to waste, join #kde-devel and we'll try to help. else use bugs.kde.org |
| 06:13.34 | undesktop | ok, thanks, maybe I'll use on of these for a feature request |
| 06:13.50 | logixoul | bugs.kde.org for a feature request, yep. |
| 06:13.54 | logixoul | no problem |
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| 06:23.19 | zen | hey all |
| 06:23.22 | zen | what up |
| 06:23.34 | angeldarkholme | hi....could you please help me with this: the background color of my konqueror is black and i can't see the name of the folders and so on |
| 06:23.37 | angeldarkholme | how can I change it? |
| 06:23.58 | logixoul | angeldarkholme: view->configure background |
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| 06:24.28 | angeldarkholme | thanks! |
| 06:24.32 | logixoul | np |
| 06:25.11 | zen | my grafx card laggs azz |
| 06:25.15 | zen | ass |
| 06:25.18 | zen | lol |
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| 06:26.59 | zen | what linux build is sabayon anyway |
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| 06:38.17 | mrbean | Is this where i cna get help with a linux/windows install |
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| 06:39.27 | mrbean | I installed sabayon and it's on my mbr and vista is on the other partition but windows wont go |
| 06:40.01 | Lanken | anyone know what governs the highlight color of links in the channel topic in konversation? |
| 06:40.35 | Lanken | mrbean: you might try in #linux. That's not kde-related :\ |
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| 06:59.17 | stoned | I tried to start any kde program, and it says kdeinit could not launch it |
| 06:59.30 | stoned | I hooked up my debian machine after 2 months |
| 06:59.43 | stoned | i was in the kde desktop |
| 06:59.56 | stoned | i can't figure itout, I never removed any kde related stuff |
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| 07:19.46 | XVampireX | Hey people I'm having problems with katapult |
| 07:19.53 | XVampireX | it renders really badly on my X server |
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| 07:21.18 | XVampireX | I'm gonna show ya |
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| 07:22.28 | XVampireX | I got a screeny |
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| 07:24.33 | XVampireX | http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=katapultbugnz7.png |
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| 07:26.16 | gooba | hi |
| 07:26.49 | gooba | is there a way to make knewsticker add the RSS source's name before it's news? |
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| 07:30.04 | logixoul | gooba: I don't think so. Not unless you implement the feature. Check for related bug reports in bugs.kde.org. |
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| 07:30.37 | gooba | logixoul: is there a similar app with this feature? :) |
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| 07:32.07 | logixoul | gooba: one thing that comes to mind is using a few instances of a RSS superkaramba applet with different feeds. not really what you're requesting, but take your pick... |
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| 07:33.22 | gooba | logixoul: thanks, I'm actually trying to get rid of superkaramba right now:) I'll look into the source code, though I suck at cpp |
| 07:33.55 | logixoul | gooba: shouldn't be too hard, feel free to join #kde-devel for help on that :) |
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| 07:48.57 | DJm00n | how set different wallpapers on different sides of beryl cube? |
| 07:49.07 | logixoul | please ask in #beryl |
| 07:51.25 | DJm00n | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:52.10 | logixoul | DJm00n: no. kde's desktop is called kdesktop and is independent of kwin. |
| 07:52.31 | logixoul | (though they're integrated) |
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| 08:01.16 | DJm00n | logixoul: sure kdesktop, i think kdesktop paint wallpapers... |
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| 08:02.56 | logixoul | DJm00n: yes. but it's not integrated with Beryl's custom implementation of virtual desktop. |
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| 08:03.49 | DJm00n | logixoul: and i cannot do this? it will be? |
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| 08:04.16 | benJIman | DJm00n: kwin is getting its own opengl composition. |
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| 08:04.45 | logixoul | DJm00n: again, please ask in #beryl. the question has nothing to do with KDE as kdesktop is currently unaware of beryl's virtual desktops. |
| 08:05.06 | logixoul | DJm00n: beryl recently got its own desktop implementation, if I'm not mistaken. |
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| 08:06.40 | DJm00n | logixoul: i like kde, i only want different wallpapers and icons on different cube sides |
| 08:07.10 | logixoul | DJm00n: ASK IN #BERYL. |
| 08:07.45 | DJm00n | logixoul: ok.... |
| 08:08.21 | XVampireX | If you're smart, help me: http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=katapultbugnz7.png |
| 08:08.26 | XVampireX | If you're not smart, you can help me too... |
| 08:08.36 | XVampireX | And I'll thank you |
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| 08:41.44 | zs | is it possible to open kate inside konqueror like kpdf? |
| 08:42.52 | thiago | yes |
| 08:42.58 | Lanken | you can view documents that way |
| 08:43.04 | Lanken | I'm not sure you can edit |
| 08:43.08 | thiago | you can't edit |
| 08:43.09 | Lanken | (not sure you'd want to) |
| 08:43.22 | thiago | Konqueror only loads KPart/ReadOnly |
| 08:43.47 | JohnFlux | is there a way to stop it loading kate and use khtml instead for txt files? |
| 08:44.00 | JohnFlux | it's annoying when shift+down to auto scroll doesn't work :-) |
| 08:44.10 | thiago | you can configure text/plain to be opened with KHTMLPart |
| 08:44.14 | thiago | but you'll see nonsense |
| 08:45.11 | zs | ok thanks for answer :) |
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| 08:45.52 | ^^MAg^^ | hi |
| 08:46.02 | ^^MAg^^ | i've gor problem syncing kdepim with my palm |
| 08:46.20 | ^^MAg^^ | sometimes when I sync todo items I add on computer disappear |
| 08:46.47 | JohnFlux | ^^MAg^^: there's a #kdepim or something channel maybe |
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| 08:47.17 | thiago | #kontact |
| 08:47.38 | ^^MAg^^ | a,thx |
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| 09:20.08 | pvandewyngaerde | i have a kmenu.svg scalable vector graphic, i want to print it to a A4 size, how do i do this ? |
| 09:21.57 | staerk | pvandewyngaerde: I would try krita |
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| 09:22.49 | ponto | pvandewyngaerde: or a vector graphics program as incscape |
| 09:23.29 | ponto | or open scribus, inser a graphics frame, resize it to the whole page and insert the svg file |
| 09:24.28 | pvandewyngaerde | i'm on kubuntu feisty, none of the suggested programs are installed, but i'll work my way out |
| 09:24.40 | staerk | pvandewyngaerde: try apt-get install gimp |
| 09:25.31 | ponto | pvandewyngaerde: its inkscape not incscape. my fault |
| 09:25.41 | staerk | if that does not work, ask in #ubuntu how you install gimp |
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| 09:26.25 | ponto | gimp is also not a vector graphics program. i would not suggest it for a svg file |
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| 09:26.40 | staerk | okay, thanks! |
| 09:27.46 | pvandewyngaerde | ponto: and krita ? |
| 09:28.00 | ponto | it will work with gimp, but either you have rally big file sizes becuase of high resolution, or you will not get smooth edges |
| 09:28.12 | ponto | pvandewyngaerde: also not a vector graphic program |
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| 09:28.23 | daniele_athome | hello how can I use icewm themes with kwin? |
| 09:28.39 | pvandewyngaerde | i have it in inkscape now, but i dont find a print preview |
| 09:28.40 | daniele_athome | icewm doesn't appear in the window style list |
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| 09:29.12 | daniele_athome | I have debian testing with kde 3.5.5 |
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| 09:35.10 | ponto | pvandewyngaerde: open an A4 document, import your graphic, resize it, and print it. |
| 09:35.21 | pvandewyngaerde | ponto: yes i found it |
| 09:35.27 | pvandewyngaerde | now i just found out how to print it to my printer |
| 09:36.21 | pvandewyngaerde | omg, its just black |
| 09:36.26 | pvandewyngaerde | i need to print it to pdf first |
| 09:36.54 | ponto | pvandewyngaerde: for high quality pdf files, I would suggest scribus. |
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| 09:38.44 | pvandewyngaerde | ponto: inkscape pdf export looks bad, i'll try scribus |
| 09:39.51 | ponto | pvandewyngaerde: be sure to use version 1.3.3.7 or higher |
| 09:40.37 | pvandewyngaerde | scribus 125 doens't render the svg nicely, its not the right colors |
| 09:41.11 | ponto | pvandewyngaerde: do you have the file online? |
| 09:43.43 | pvandewyngaerde | ponto: yes |
| 09:45.02 | pvandewyngaerde | ponto: its this one: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/pics/oxygen/scalable/apps/kmenu.svg?view=log |
| 09:47.27 | daniele_athome | someone could help me? |
| 09:48.07 | pvandewyngaerde | daniele_athome: i don't know, but i don't think its possible |
| 09:48.43 | daniele_athome | pvandewyngaerde, I downloaded a theme from kde-look, named kde_xp |
| 09:49.06 | daniele_athome | that incorporates a theme that goes in /usr/share/apps/kwin/icewm-themes/kde_xp |
| 09:49.22 | daniele_athome | that doesn't appear in the kcontrol, window decorations section |
| 09:50.17 | pvandewyngaerde | well, i wouldn't know, i havent played around with themes, i'm happy with default theme |
| 09:50.42 | pvandewyngaerde | maybe you can find something more in the documentation ? |
| 09:50.53 | daniele_athome | that's what I'm trying to do |
| 09:50.59 | daniele_athome | irc is my last resource |
| 09:52.02 | daniele_athome | mmm maybe I found something |
| 09:52.29 | pvandewyngaerde | i find things mostly right after i asked it to someone |
| 09:54.13 | pvandewyngaerde | daniele_athome: you found it ? |
| 09:55.25 | daniele_athome | pvandewyngaerde, the problem is that debian doesn't seem to include the icewm kwin decoration |
| 09:55.40 | daniele_athome | kde-look.org has an enhanced icewm kwin decoration |
| 09:55.43 | daniele_athome | so i'm trying it |
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| 09:57.09 | pvandewyngaerde | isn't there anything you can use from the comments ? |
| 09:58.22 | Shirakawasuna | ahh, so much better w/out wiggly windows |
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| 10:04.40 | daniele_athome | pvandewyngaerde, the package I downloaded from kde-look is a patch to apply to the original icewm kwin client |
| 10:04.53 | daniele_athome | that should be in the kdebase package but in my debian source package there isn't |
| 10:05.17 | pvandewyngaerde | i'm sorry i can't help you, ask in #debian |
| 10:05.49 | Simeon_H | hmm |
| 10:05.57 | Simeon_H | what's a good app to maintain an image collection |
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| 10:07.31 | pvandewyngaerde | Simeon_H: Kphotoalbum http://ktown.kde.org/kphotoalbum/ |
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| 10:08.47 | pvandewyngaerde | Simeon_H: or digikam |
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| 10:25.43 | pinotree | which alerts? |
| 10:26.01 | logixoul | grinreaper: kcontrol->sound&multimedia->system notification |
| 10:26.02 | logixoul | s |
| 10:26.02 | grinreaper | when i close a window it makes a sound... |
| 10:26.36 | grinreaper | me using vector liinux .... |
| 10:26.47 | grinreaper | and i am not able to find that... |
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| 10:32.16 | RawSewage | how do you turn on video preview in Feisty |
| 10:32.30 | Jejem | RawSewage: and what about "hi" ? |
| 10:33.03 | RawSewage | that wouldnt be me |
| 10:33.11 | RawSewage | Im not a hi person |
| 10:34.07 | RawSewage | bye |
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| 10:34.52 | Caster | at least he's a bye person |
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| 10:37.29 | Caster | :)) |
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| 10:49.00 | Csani | hi. No KDE app can be launched. The error is: "kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed." What is this kded and how can I restart it manually or where can I see what's goin on in the background? |
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| 10:50.15 | Csani | runnig Debian 4.0 sid/ish, xfce4 |
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| 12:14.44 | Lanken | any kde developer people: how welcome do you think submissions of icons for kdeclassic would be? |
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| 12:15.27 | pinotree | ?? |
| 12:15.28 | Lanken | I'm a rank amateur but I think the icons I make for kdeclassic would make people happier than having them default out to crystal svg. |
| 12:15.43 | Lanken | it's *mostly* complete (at least the one distributed by gentoo) |
| 12:15.48 | Lanken | but there are holes |
| 12:16.24 | Lanken | I know a lot of people aren't using kdeclassic, but those who are might as well have access to more icons. |
| 12:16.43 | Lanken | I guess the first step would be to release a version of kdeclassic on kde-look |
| 12:16.58 | Lanken | er...that would be *the* step. |
| 12:17.27 | Lanken | pinotree: I mean the kdeclassic icon set, of course. |
| 12:18.02 | pinotree | Lanken: i don't understand th question - it's an icon theme like any other one |
| 12:18.27 | pinotree | subscribe to the kde-artists ml and propose your work |
| 12:18.34 | Lanken | I thought it might have some history, or something, that would bias people against a newcomer's goofing with it. |
| 12:19.01 | staerk | Lanken: no, we are a free society |
| 12:19.52 | Lanken | staerk: =) |
| 12:20.58 | Lanken | heh, I'm also reluctant because some of kde-classic is positively *inspired*, and what I produce would be totally derivative of other work, tweaked to blend in with kdeclassic as well as I can make it. |
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| 12:22.44 | Lanken | at least the part about adapting other people's work is totally fair game. |
| 12:22.49 | Lanken | copyleft and so forth. |
| 12:26.20 | Lanken | I made this icon to be the "system" icon for my kdeclassic: http://pbox.co.nr/kdeclassic_system.png |
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| 12:27.01 | Lanken | it's recolored from a Tango or Human icon, I think. |
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| 12:43.09 | maki | how to configure kopete for file transfer in jabber |
| 12:43.32 | Jejem | maki: and what about "hi" ? |
| 12:43.38 | maki | hi |
| 12:43.41 | maki | :_ |
| 12:43.46 | maki | :) |
| 12:44.03 | Jejem | maki: you don't have to configure anything.. |
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| 12:44.35 | maki | but now i cant have a file transfer |
| 12:44.57 | Jejem | maki: you now that #kopete exists ? ;) |
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| 12:45.02 | Jejem | maki: which version ?... |
| 12:45.26 | maki | 0.12.4 |
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| 12:45.47 | maki | on feasty |
| 12:45.52 | Jejem | feisty* |
| 12:46.15 | maki | yes |
| 12:46.18 | Jejem | maki: just drag and drop the file you want to transfer in the conv window... ? |
| 12:46.36 | maki | dont work |
| 12:46.43 | Jejem | strange... |
| 12:47.16 | maki | when i drag and drop it shows the link to the file |
| 12:48.51 | maki | it shows the progrees file |
| 12:49.20 | Jejem | and ? what's the prob ? |
| 12:49.53 | maki | i try now with as friend who have gaim |
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| 13:03.54 | [gloom] | hi all |
| 13:03.56 | [gloom] | does anyone know if it's possible to use xinerama (or some other app) to extend the desktop with two screens over LAN? |
| 13:04.30 | benJIman | [gloom]: you can use xdmx |
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| 13:05.37 | [gloom] | yes, but i want the standard xorg. I suppose that given that original Xfree were made with remote over LAN render, maybe tweaking xorg.conf i can tell it my screen is on another computer.... |
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| 13:06.00 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 13:06.31 | benJIman | [gloom]: xdmx is in standard xorg |
| 13:06.49 | [gloom] | something like EXPORT DISPLAY ___ip___:0.0 but biult in on the xorg file |
| 13:06.54 | [gloom] | mmmmm |
| 13:06.58 | benJIman | [gloom]: yes xdmx is in xorg |
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| 13:07.15 | [gloom] | you sure? i think i've read that is another Xserver and must be used instead xorg |
| 13:07.35 | benJIman | It's uses a proxy to work, but it's included in xorg |
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| 13:08.05 | benJIman | xdmx is the way to do what you want, if you want to be able to move windows between machines |
| 13:08.19 | [gloom] | yeap, that's the goal |
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| 13:08.39 | [gloom] | ok, i'm going to search a little. Thanks a lot |
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| 13:56.16 | franz | I'm having again on my freshly installed Feisty a problem I rember I already had on Edgy: bottom KDE application panel is suddenly disappeared |
| 13:57.36 | franz | how can I fix it, given that i cannot open konsole (or any other program which doesn't have already an icon on the desktop ? |
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| 13:59.25 | pinucset | which is the name of a KDE application that shows you a graphic of your partitions and you can see how much does everything takes up? i can't remember :S |
| 14:00.24 | benJIman | pinucset: kdf shows how much space on each partition, and kdirstat shows a graphical view of how much space each file / directory occupies |
| 14:00.30 | benJIman | so does view -> file size view in konqueror |
| 14:00.32 | benJIman | and filelight |
| 14:01.22 | pinucset | thanks! |
| 14:01.23 | pinucset | :D |
| 14:03.37 | jhernandez | franz: you can't run commands with alt+f2? |
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| 14:07.25 | franz | jhernandez, sorry... on the phone |
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| 14:17.25 | Narada | hi guys; i just installed kubuntu feisty fawn; kde 3.5.6; i have added a new panel with the desktop pager in it but i just can't seem to resize or configure that panel on the right; everytime i try to configure panel it configures the main panel on the bottom; what am i doing wrong |
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| 14:19.56 | benJIman | Narada: run "dcop kicker default restart" |
| 14:20.12 | benJIman | then go back to the configure panel dialogue and you should have a combobox to choose the panel to configure |
| 14:20.41 | Narada | oh thank god; it finally works; what was that benJIman |
| 14:20.59 | benJIman | What was what? |
| 14:21.33 | Narada | benJIman: what was that command and why wasn't it possible to do it without that |
| 14:22.13 | benJIman | Narada: not sure, but in one of the recent kde versions, 3.5.6 I think it stopped noticing the fact you have multiple panels until the panel has been restarted |
| 14:22.45 | Narada | :( |
| 14:23.12 | Narada | one other question |
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| 14:23.31 | Narada | in konsole what is the shortcut to close a tab |
| 14:23.55 | Narada | or how do i find that out |
| 14:23.57 | RushPL | ctrl+W ? |
| 14:24.02 | RushPL | no |
| 14:24.04 | RushPL | sorry :) |
| 14:24.15 | Narada | hehe tried that already :D |
| 14:24.31 | Narada | i tried looking in help but no luck |
| 14:24.55 | RushPL | well, I use Ctrl+D for logging out and it closes the tab |
| 14:25.10 | RushPL | worse if you want to close the tab along with some app |
| 14:26.43 | Narada | hmm i could use ctrld i guess |
| 14:26.47 | Narada | k |
| 14:27.31 | Narada | damn they don't do reorderable tabs yet :( |
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| 14:33.17 | franz | jhernandez, sorry again... are you still there ? |
| 14:34.47 | franz | i did forgot about the Alt F2 possibility... |
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| 14:40.31 | dcorbin | I'd like to setup a spot my panel that I can drop things on (after draggging), and it will run a script with that thing as the argument. Just how hard is that? |
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| 15:01.38 | black_13 | how doe kde profiles work? |
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| 15:06.04 | IceRAM | hi all |
| 15:06.16 | IceRAM | is there a kmail/kdepim IRC channel around here? |
| 15:06.43 | wolsni | IceRAM: you can ask here |
| 15:06.54 | wolsni | i think there's a #kontact channel also |
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| 15:07.25 | IceRAM | I was wondering if Ctrl+Right in kmail |
| 15:07.39 | IceRAM | only is supposed to change the focused folder |
| 15:07.50 | IceRAM | and NOT the folder contents |
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| 15:08.53 | IceRAM | I mean... the dotted selection around the folder moves up/down with Ctrl+Left/RIght |
| 15:08.57 | IceRAM | but the folder doesn't change |
| 15:09.20 | wolsni | hm, i don't know about that |
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| 15:10.27 | wolsni | IceRAM: try the J button instead |
| 15:10.46 | IceRAM | hmm.. |
| 15:10.48 | IceRAM | thanks |
| 15:10.49 | IceRAM | but.. |
| 15:10.56 | IceRAM | what is Ctrl+Left/Right for then/ |
| 15:10.57 | IceRAM | ? |
| 15:11.03 | black_13 | wolsni, yo |
| 15:11.04 | wolsni | no idea :) |
| 15:11.10 | IceRAM | thanks |
| 15:12.52 | black_13 | how do i kde profiles work |
| 15:13.31 | wolsni | brb black_13 |
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| 15:17.01 | archangelpetro | Is anyone here proficient with java? |
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| 15:18.00 | mrigns | archangelpetro: does it have something to do with kde? |
| 15:20.01 | black_13 | archangelpetro, i know enough to dislike it |
| 15:20.42 | black_13 | archangelpetro, but you would be better off asking your questions on the #java channel |
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| 15:20.45 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 15:20.55 | archangelpetro | well, when i asked my question there :P #java wasnt being helpful at all :) |
| 15:21.01 | archangelpetro | im starting to lose faith in java also ;) |
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| 15:25.04 | black_13 | archangelpetro, its early sunday morning try middle of the week during work hours you may find more knowledgeable people its that way on any channel |
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| 15:25.49 | archangelpetro | lol |
| 15:25.57 | archangelpetro | as always time is a factor :), so no worries |
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| 15:28.23 | black_13 | wolsni, are you back? |
| 15:30.43 | wolsni | mostly, having a bit of trouble with my windows IRC clients |
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| 15:32.03 | black_13 | who do you using kde profile create by the kiosk tool |
| 15:32.12 | black_13 | s/who/how/ |
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| 15:33.15 | wolsni | hmm, i've never actually used kiosk |
| 15:33.21 | lexs | plöh, why doesnt svn strigi support latest clucene :/ |
| 15:33.43 | annma | it does not? |
| 15:33.55 | lexs | CMake Error: CLucene version 0.9.17 is not supported. |
| 15:33.57 | lexs | :/ |
| 15:33.58 | annma | I use clucene cvs from a few days ago |
| 15:34.16 | lexs | well, im trying to downgrade to 0.9.16a |
| 15:34.33 | lexs | worked alright |
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| 15:35.40 | black_13 | i start the kiosk-tool and all it seems to do is create some entries in /etc |
| 15:36.25 | lexs | oh noes |
| 15:36.29 | lexs | im getting build errors |
| 15:36.49 | lexs | "/home/kde-devel/kde/build/strigi/src/luceneindexer/libcluceneindex.so: undefined reference to `lucene::search::BooleanQuery::add(lucene::search::Query*, bool, bool, bool)' |
| 15:36.52 | lexs | " |
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| 15:36.54 | lexs | tons of those |
| 15:37.13 | lexs | seems like it isnt linking right? |
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| 15:41.08 | HostilePenguin | anyone know about this?? kio (KIOConnection): ERROR: Header read failed, errno=104 |
| 15:41.51 | HostilePenguin | or this kio (KLauncher): ERROR: SlavePool: No communication with slave. |
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| 15:44.21 | qwertytest | wouldn't Windows builds of certain KDE apps be great? |
| 15:44.58 | annma | qwertytest: it'll happen for KDE 4 apps |
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| 15:45.18 | qwertytest | so I could use Konversation in XP? |
| 15:45.21 | the-killer | hello all |
| 15:45.33 | the-killer | i an t run startx and xcong |
| 15:45.34 | the-killer | :S |
| 15:45.46 | annma | qwertytest: maybe, not sure about extragear apps |
| 15:45.59 | annma | konversation is not in an "official" kde module |
| 15:46.18 | annma | you'll have to ask the devels when KDE 4 comes closer |
| 15:46.35 | qwertytest | looking forward to october then :) |
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| 16:14.51 | solussd | i need to take bit patterns, ie 11101010101011111, and draw them to the screen as black (for 0s) and white (for 1s). can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 16:15.57 | lilltiger | Squillis: wifi radar is an systray applet, can only be resident in the systray |
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| 16:16.38 | lilltiger | solussd: what do you mean with "to the screen" to an kdeapp or? |
| 16:17.09 | Squillis | lilltiger: i'm new to linux guis. how do i get it to load into the systray? |
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| 16:17.37 | solussd | to the screen |
| 16:17.58 | lilltiger | Squillis: programs that support systray icons will either make one as soon as the app is started or there will be an setting for it within the program |
| 16:18.10 | Squillis | ok. thanks |
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| 16:19.52 | solussd | lilltiger: The kde app will take the bitpattern as input and draw it to its window... though i dont know how to do that.. yet. any ideas? |
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| 16:21.47 | lilltiger | solussd: take a peek on the kde api on how to draw images, then you just draw an black image for 0's and an white for 1 or the other way around. |
| 16:22.16 | solussd | where can i find api defs? |
| 16:23.14 | lilltiger | http://api.kde.org/ |
| 16:23.43 | solussd | thans |
| 16:23.45 | solussd | *thanks |
| 16:24.09 | lilltiger | np |
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| 16:28.09 | mariux | its application/octet-stream |
| 16:28.14 | mariux | i need it to be normal text |
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| 17:41.45 | manikchand | Can anyone help me to get started on KDE development or some decent tutorial? |
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| 17:43.16 | staerk | manikchand: yes, |
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| 17:44.53 | staerk | http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Programming_Tutorial_KDE_4 |
| 17:44.59 | manikchand | @staerk Can you direct me to some resource? |
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| 17:45.11 | staerk | resource ? |
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| 17:45.22 | staerk | do you mean a person ? |
| 17:45.52 | manikchand | @staerk The task at hand is to design a tutorial for my students |
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| 17:46.47 | staerk | manikchand: good stuff - just take that URL |
| 17:46.55 | staerk | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Sources/Anonymous_SVN tells you how to download KDE |
| 17:47.05 | manikchand | @staerk Well it will be a guide to set up a build system for KDE and its applications and for creation for some sample small KDE apps |
| 17:47.23 | staerk | here : http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 |
| 17:47.37 | manikchand | @staerk The problem is of setting up the initial build system |
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| 17:48.07 | staerk | manikchand: a build system in which sense ? |
| 17:48.37 | manikchand | @staerk Do you think it will be possible alongside a working 3x syst |
| 17:48.58 | staerk | yes, that is the sense of this tutorial |
| 17:49.16 | staerk | I wrote it btw, and I am here under KDE 3 chatting and under KDE 4 developing |
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| 17:49.35 | staerk | join #kde-devel for kde development and #kde4-devel for kde 4 development |
| 17:49.54 | manikchand | @staerk Ok, Thanks for the info and I will be back if stuck up |
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| 18:05.07 | Zet | hi, I just installed Kubuntu and tried to see if Linux is really "ready for desktop" |
| 18:05.21 | Zet | am I just dumb, or is there really no way to change your screen resolution in KDE? |
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| 18:05.34 | Zet | other than sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 18:06.22 | Caster | launch kde control center |
| 18:06.35 | Caster | under peripherials/display |
| 18:06.49 | Zet | huh? |
| 18:06.57 | Zet | there is no "display" under peripherals for me |
| 18:07.05 | Caster | hmm weird |
| 18:07.11 | lilltiger | Zet: you should have an app named something with resize & adjust screen |
| 18:07.15 | Zet | maybe I'm missing a module or something? |
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| 18:07.56 | lilltiger | Zet: you could also try <ctrl>+<alt>+<-> and <ctrl>+<alt>+<+> |
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| 18:08.37 | Zet | hmm, that seems to cycle between some preset modes |
| 18:08.51 | Zet | 1024x768, 800x600 and 640x480 I think |
| 18:09.00 | Zet | but I want 1280x1024 |
| 18:09.26 | lilltiger | then you need to add it to xorg.conf |
| 18:09.34 | Zet | really? |
| 18:09.51 | Zet | there's no graphical thingie to do that for me? :( |
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| 18:09.59 | lilltiger | nope.. dont think so |
| 18:10.09 | lilltiger | normaly it should have been detected |
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| 18:10.34 | Zet | yeah, and apparently my X is running with vesa drivers, now that I look at my xorg.conf! |
| 18:10.35 | lilltiger | like with the nvidia-xconfig if you use nvidia |
| 18:10.59 | XVampireX | Zet: You are REALLY dumb, and please, one more "Ready for the desktop" and I'll personally figure out how to become an op... though I'll never become on, but I will! |
| 18:11.01 | Lanken | are there any disadvantages to using the nautilus desktop instead of kdesktop? |
| 18:11.10 | Lanken | other than that I'd have to install nautilus |
| 18:11.21 | Lanken | and that it would load gtk libraries |
| 18:11.26 | Lanken | can I drag and drop to it? |
| 18:11.47 | XVampireX | I don't know who does that.. |
| 18:11.56 | Zet | XVampireX: what |
| 18:12.05 | XVampireX | "[21:04] <Zet> hi, I just installed Kubuntu and tried to see if Linux is really "ready for desktop"" |
| 18:12.15 | Zet | yeah, I'm experimenting |
| 18:12.23 | XVampireX | Don't ever say ready for the desktop anymore, k? |
| 18:12.34 | Zet | sure, whatever |
| 18:12.59 | Lanken | Zet: you happen to have hit on one of the few things that still require editing of text configs |
| 18:13.25 | Lanken | Zet: there are others but regular users rarely have to deal with them. |
| 18:13.27 | Zet | I've been running Debian just fine on the desktop for over 5 years, and I have no trouble with editing text configs per se |
| 18:13.49 | Lanken | Zet: congrats. I just meant to explain why you might seem to be a troll. |
| 18:13.50 | Zet | I was just asking around if there was a new, neater way of doing this, just out of curiosity |
| 18:13.55 | XVampireX | Yeah but please don't ever mention "Ready for the Desktop" ok? |
| 18:13.58 | Lanken | Zet: there will be in a year or two. |
| 18:14.04 | Lanken | Zet: it's coming :) |
| 18:14.05 | Zet | great |
| 18:14.07 | XVampireX | It makes you look like a Windows troll |
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| 18:14.33 | anisfarhana | greetings |
| 18:14.34 | Zet | XVampireX: I am sorry. I didn't mean to offend anyone. |
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| 18:14.58 | Lanken | Zet: personally, I don't think the biggest obstacle to adoption is configuration. |
| 18:14.58 | Zet | I was just using a phrase that I thought would accurately describe my intentions of playing around here |
| 18:15.07 | Zet | Lanken: me neither |
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| 18:15.18 | XVampireX | The biggest barrier is marketing and microsoft |
| 18:15.24 | Zet | obviously |
| 18:15.29 | Lanken | hardware drivers (my damn ATI card) are a bit lacking. |
| 18:15.41 | Zet | I agree wholeheartedly |
| 18:15.53 | XVampireX | Lanken: And how is that Linux's fault? |
| 18:16.05 | Zet | however, my intention was not to discuss politics, I was just asking if there was something I'd overlooked |
| 18:16.11 | Lanken | XVampireX: Linux isn't a person. Nothing is "Linux's fault." |
| 18:16.14 | mrigns | the problem is it's shinyness |
| 18:16.28 | XVampireX | It's an object. |
| 18:16.32 | Lanken | mrigns: *its? |
| 18:16.52 | mrigns | err |
| 18:16.57 | Lanken | XVampireX: yes (well not strictly...). And I don't go blaming objects for things. |
| 18:17.21 | mrigns | stop lecturing me! i will call for my evil monkey minions! |
| 18:17.31 | Lanken | do I blame the open-source community for the fact that the best of both worlds isn't yet accessible? |
| 18:17.36 | XVampireX | Lanken: No, but that object is being represented by many people... |
| 18:17.55 | Lanken | no, ATI could do more to help. |
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| 18:17.58 | XVampireX | so you're insulting the programmers for not doing a good enough job for providing drivers... as in, the linux drivers... so you can't use Linux because of Linux programmers? |
| 18:18.38 | mrigns | i think he reffered to amd not providing decent ati drivers rather than the community |
| 18:18.56 | Lanken | XVampireX: you need to rewind a bit and review. I did not in any way suggest that anyone was responsible for providing me with better drivers. |
| 18:19.01 | XVampireX | Yeah but I bet it still hurts the linux kernel developers |
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| 18:19.07 | mrigns | wtf |
| 18:19.11 | XVampireX | Also no one forced you to buy such hardware in the first place. |
| 18:19.21 | XVampireX | It would hurt me if I would |
| 18:19.38 | XVampireX | No you were complaining about Linux |
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| 18:19.47 | mrigns | if they cared they would not stop crying |
| 18:20.12 | XVampireX | As in, it's "not ready for the desktop" because Linux developers suck at providing drivers? |
| 18:20.20 | XVampireX | Just go complain to AMD/Ati already |
| 18:20.31 | mrigns | XVampireX: QQ |
| 18:20.35 | Lanken | XVampireX: it's not a camera from some no-name startup brand or something. ATI is a big deal. Anyway, having to pick out specific hardware when buying a computer for use with Linux is in itself a barrier to linux adoption. |
| 18:21.02 | Lanken | and closely related to what I originally indicated that I thought was the biggest barrier. |
| 18:21.19 | XVampireX | Lanken: That's not a Linux adoption barrier, that's a computer user barrier. |
| 18:21.28 | XVampireX | And also like I said, marketing.... |
| 18:21.47 | XVampireX | You don't usually see preloaded PCs with Linux Desktops |
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| 18:22.05 | Lanken | XVampireX: they do exist. |
| 18:22.10 | XVampireX | Of course |
| 18:22.15 | Lanken | www.system76.com, iirc |
| 18:22.20 | XVampireX | Yes |
| 18:22.23 | XVampireX | I appreciate THEIR work. |
| 18:22.31 | XVampireX | But it's not enough. |
| 18:22.36 | mrigns | stop the offtopic or i will get blamed again :( |
| 18:22.41 | XVampireX | And even if Dell starts supporting us that won't help us much |
| 18:23.03 | Lanken | XVampireX: oh? |
| 18:23.03 | XVampireX | What offtopic? |
| 18:23.08 | XVampireX | yeah |
| 18:23.20 | XVampireX | You gotta FORCE the people to see their option. |
| 18:23.30 | mrigns | oO |
| 18:23.37 | Lanken | I'm more in the "Dell is just maneuvering, and has no intention of bringing out pre-loaded Linux" |
| 18:23.41 | Lanken | -camp |
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| 18:23.57 | mrigns | they already provide linux solutions for the non-desktop sector |
| 18:24.01 | mrigns | with RHEL |
| 18:24.02 | XVampireX | Even if they did offer preloaded Linux PCs, how would that help us? |
| 18:24.05 | XVampireX | Who knows about Linux? |
| 18:24.13 | XVampireX | Many use PCs for Gaming, not just work.... |
| 18:24.18 | XVampireX | That's certainly something we lack in. |
| 18:24.28 | XVampireX | And "Mainstream" applications |
| 18:24.31 | Thundercloud | XVampireX: If people wanted a PC for gaming they'd know better than to get a dell. |
| 18:24.58 | Lanken | mrigns: I'm not saying they're philosophically opposed to it. I'm saying they know or think it's not viable, and are just posturing for credit and attention. |
| 18:25.03 | XVampireX | Thundercloud: You know about 89.999999% of the 90% of windows people are dumb? |
| 18:25.14 | XVampireX | So they don't know better. |
| 18:25.41 | Thundercloud | XVampireX: This is why I tell people :D |
| 18:25.51 | Lanken | Thundercloud: ...I don't think so. Most people don't think there's anything wrong with Dell as an OEM. |
| 18:25.55 | Thundercloud | Although yeah, some people are RETARDS. |
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| 18:26.31 | Thundercloud | When I was working at Comet (UK equivalent of Best Buy), someone once came in and was wanting our cheapest laptop. |
| 18:26.31 | Lanken | do you actually want them to use linux? calling them idiots isn't really conducive to making converts. |
| 18:26.38 | mrigns | isnt an OS supposed to even work for the dum? |
| 18:26.45 | Thundercloud | Lanken: No, but seriously, listen to this tale. |
| 18:27.03 | Thundercloud | Anyway, this guy wanted our cheapest laptop. We asked him what he was going to be doing and he said "Gaming" |
| 18:27.12 | Lanken | story over? |
| 18:27.13 | Thundercloud | And not just old games, the latest games. |
| 18:27.16 | Lanken | that's funny already.:) |
| 18:27.34 | Thundercloud | We told him he'd need to pay at least £700-1000 for a laptop capable of doing some average gaming |
| 18:27.38 | XVampireX | UGH! WAIT A MOMENT |
| 18:27.41 | Thundercloud | At which point he refused to pay and walked out. |
| 18:27.53 | XVampireX | You're asking Linux is ready for the desktop |
| 18:27.55 | XVampireX | lets see you laugh this off |
| 18:28.03 | Lanken | Thundercloud: you're good people not to take him for what he was willing to pay. |
| 18:28.06 | Thundercloud | He believed he could play like Battlefield 2 on a £400 laptop. |
| 18:28.18 | Lanken | XVampireX: ....I never said that, where did you get that idea? |
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| 18:28.29 | Thundercloud | Lanken: Well to be honest, we COULD have sold him that laptop. |
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| 18:28.41 | Thundercloud | The £400 one |
| 18:28.43 | Lanken | XVampireX: I said that adoption would be easier if linux got the most out of all hardware. |
| 18:28.47 | Thundercloud | But he would have brought it back later on complaining his arse off that it didn't play games well. |
| 18:28.55 | XVampireX | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/47221/ |
| 18:29.03 | Thundercloud | We wouldn't give him a refund because it's not faulty, he would get pissy, call trading standards, we'd get into some serious shit. |
| 18:29.31 | XVampireX | Lanken: And surprisingly, Linux got more support for hardware than Windows ;) |
| 18:29.31 | Lanken | Thundercloud: I kind of doubt that. Strong chance he'd suck it up. |
| 18:29.33 | Thundercloud | Lanken: Nah |
| 18:29.40 | Thundercloud | He was a twat talking to him |
| 18:29.43 | Lanken | XVampireX: how do you quantify this "more"? |
| 18:30.00 | XVampireX | I don't know, but I know that I can run Linux on a PS3 |
| 18:30.09 | XVampireX | I know that I can run Linux on a PSP/DS |
| 18:30.14 | XVampireX | I know that I can run Linux on whatever... |
| 18:30.19 | XVampireX | on a Mac |
| 18:30.19 | mrigns | my opp is that linux isnt ready for the dekstop until the biggest noob can run and configure it by himself |
| 18:30.28 | Thundercloud | XVampireX: Haha I love that |
| 18:30.33 | XVampireX | mrigns: The biggest can't even do that... |
| 18:30.45 | XVampireX | I mean not even with Windows |
| 18:30.52 | mrigns | my tomcat could use osx |
| 18:31.00 | XVampireX | Right |
| 18:31.18 | Lanken | XVampireX: ok, EXACTLY...who cares whether you can run a desktop OS on that hardware? it's nifty, but to regular people it's not *at all* useful. It's much more important to support PC components than random electronics. |
| 18:31.21 | lilltiger | Zet: do you have an nvidia card? I think nvdia-xconf should do a good job setting up the xconf for diff resolution. (except for the widescreen ones) |
| 18:31.51 | Thundercloud | I find it brilliant that my mate Alistair bought a macbook the other week |
| 18:31.55 | Thundercloud | Wiped MacOSX |
| 18:31.58 | Thundercloud | And installed Debian |
| 18:32.02 | Thundercloud | And with a few little tweaks works fine |
| 18:32.16 | XVampireX | Lanken: I'm sure it would be important if people could just get a PS3 and use it as both a PC and a Console ;) |
| 18:32.27 | Zet | lilltiger: yeah I just installed the closed drivers, because the open drivers installed by default were somehow buggy and failed horribly with the higher resolution |
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| 18:32.47 | Zet | lilltiger: even though the open driver in debian used to work fine, with essentially the same xorg.conf |
| 18:32.51 | XVampireX | sudo nvidia-xconfig rocks :P |
| 18:32.54 | lilltiger | Zet: the open ones isent even accelerated, quite useless |
| 18:33.03 | Thundercloud | The main thing you have to realise is Kubutu sucks :( |
| 18:33.05 | XVampireX | Nouveau is gonna kick ass |
| 18:33.07 | Zet | lilltiger: well, I don't use anything accelerated, I only need 2d |
| 18:33.08 | mrigns | XVampireX: but you have to open a terminal |
| 18:33.14 | Thundercloud | XVampireX: Nouveau? |
| 18:33.15 | Lanken | XVampireX: the PS3 architecture isn't at all suited to Desktop use. |
| 18:33.19 | XVampireX | TERMINAL FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:33.23 | XVampireX | I love it |
| 18:33.26 | XVampireX | it's so much faster |
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| 18:33.30 | lilltiger | Zet: the closed drivers accelerate 2d as well |
| 18:33.31 | XVampireX | just tab tab tab |
| 18:33.34 | Thundercloud | Yeah |
| 18:33.35 | mrigns | but it's nothing for noobs |
| 18:33.38 | Thundercloud | XVampireX: What is it? |
| 18:33.58 | XVampireX | Nouveau is a reverse engineered free software drivers effort for Nvidia |
| 18:34.09 | mrigns | ubuntu and suse are going the right way to become a good userfriendly os |
| 18:34.20 | n3kl | Hi. How can I tell k3b to rescan my devices? For some reason, k3b does not think that my dvd burner can burn dvds. |
| 18:34.21 | XVampireX | mrigns: You need ##windows more than us |
| 18:34.49 | mrigns | i dont got windows.... |
| 18:34.50 | Thundercloud | XVampireX: Ahhhhhhhh |
| 18:34.59 | mrigns | ive been using linux since 1999 |
| 18:35.08 | XVampireX | But they are working on it day and night it's about to become really good soon |
| 18:35.21 | mrigns | will != is |
| 18:35.25 | XVampireX | mrigns: Yeah, I tried it at that year |
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| 18:35.49 | XVampireX | I could use it perfectly |
| 18:35.58 | XVampireX | but I remember it was too different for me |
| 18:35.59 | XVampireX | so I ran away |
| 18:36.15 | mrigns | so you started trolling irc channels? |
| 18:36.23 | XVampireX | mrigns: I started trolling you |
| 18:36.35 | mrigns | ... |
| 18:36.42 | Lanken | mrigns: /ignore XVampireX? I'll do it if you do. |
| 18:36.50 | shevy | lol |
| 18:37.22 | XVampireX | I'm enjoying this :D |
| 18:37.30 | mrigns | Lanken: i would miss him |
| 18:37.33 | XVampireX | At least I'm not a nerd like you, I am a geek, but not a damn nerd. |
| 18:37.52 | mrigns | who's a geek? |
| 18:37.58 | mrigns | err nerd |
| 18:39.44 | Lanken | XVampireX: why would you be trolling if you didn't enjoy it? |
| 18:41.01 | shevy | there was a study |
| 18:41.03 | shevy | it said people that troll have tiny balls |
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| 18:41.51 | master_of_master | hi, how can I prevent make to build a certain kde package? (e.g. kmail) |
| 18:42.39 | Lanken | master_of_master: distro? |
| 18:43.03 | shevy | maybe you are lucky and the makefile lists that :) |
| 18:43.07 | Lanken | you probably should install in specific modules rather than the single "kde" package |
| 18:43.42 | Lanken | are they called modules? kdebase, kdelibs, etc? |
| 18:44.07 | mrigns | i call them pine apples |
| 18:44.08 | master_of_master | Lanken: no distro. (solaris) I'd like to build kde by my selfe |
| 18:44.17 | shevy | dont know, but they are available as a separate tarball and they contain several libs, binaries etc.. (once compiled) |
| 18:44.27 | Lanken | try to find tarballs for separate modules. |
| 18:45.02 | Lanken | mrigns++ for non sequitor |
| 18:45.02 | shevy | master_of_master another idea :> you could compile in a prefix, then move what you want to the "real" location |
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| 18:45.26 | Lanken | that sounds like a potential time-sink. |
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| 18:45.46 | dhorn | Does anyone know how to change the text color on kicker under elegant mode? |
| 18:46.34 | mrigns | Lanken: isnt it sequintur, or is is something different? |
| 18:46.34 | master_of_master | shevy: that is not a suiteable solution :-) |
| 18:46.34 | Lanken | master_of_master: if you want kde without all the apps, install kdebase and whatever it requires. Then cherry-pick the tarballs for the apps you want. |
| 18:46.42 | Lanken | mrigns: sequitur, you're right. |
| 18:47.08 | shevy | well then you probably have to look at the Makefile :) i dont know how kde manages the compilation, ie for kmail |
| 18:47.55 | master_of_master | Lanken: kde{base,libs} are working fine. But I whant to skip only few apps. |
| 18:48.30 | Lanken | master_of_master: k. you clearly know what you're doing, and I don't know how to do precisely that. good luck to you! |
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| 18:49.06 | master_of_master | Lanken: thx. |
| 18:49.19 | mrigns | btw where is renze? |
| 18:49.28 | Lanken | yeah I've been wondering that. |
| 18:49.37 | master_of_master | well I thought that there is a simple solution to skip certain apps |
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| 18:54.28 | shevy | master_of_master maybe a guru knows :> |
| 18:54.37 | XVampireX | shevy: MY BALLS ARE BIG |
| 18:54.45 | shevy | but your fingers are slow! |
| 18:56.32 | mrigns | pinotree: Sho_: please kick XVampireX |
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| 18:57.07 | True_Friend | Is there any blogging client available for kde like blogtk? |
| 18:57.40 | shevy | guys, a newbie question now... in konqueror |
| 18:57.50 | shevy | where to change new links open in new tab? |
| 18:58.07 | shevy | omg XVampireX PMs me :( |
| 18:58.52 | mrigns | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.59 | shevy | i found it |
| 18:59.12 | shevy | in "Web Behaviour" |
| 18:59.31 | True_Friend | it seems nothing is there yet |
| 18:59.34 | True_Friend | okiez by |
| 18:59.44 | shevy | hmm can i alias ctrl+w to act like ctrl+q in konqueror? |
| 18:59.55 | Lanken | settings > configure shortcuts |
| 18:59.57 | shevy | i am conditioned like pavlov dog to use ctrl+w |
| 18:59.58 | shevy | thanks |
| 19:00.03 | Lanken | it's the same in all kde apps =D |
| 19:00.26 | shevy | well |
| 19:00.47 | shevy | i was only using konsole for the longest time + fluxbox :D |
| 19:00.55 | Lanken | (I don't mean "it's the same in all kde apps, dummy.") |
| 19:01.11 | Lanken | <3 fluxbox |
| 19:01.20 | shevy | and some servicemenus for konq (cuz i love that thing) |
| 19:01.21 | Lanken | google "bonus dips" for my fluxbox theme. |
| 19:01.38 | shevy | ey no chance |
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| 19:01.45 | shevy | i want to use kde for a longer time ;) |
| 19:01.52 | Lanken | I'm not saying you'll use it :) but it's pretty. |
| 19:01.53 | shevy | dont want to be tempted to switch to anything... |
| 19:02.01 | shevy | yeah yeah i look at it one day :D |
| 19:02.07 | Lanken | I think it's inefficient, as it uses xpm :\ |
| 19:02.12 | shevy | hehe |
| 19:02.20 | shevy | i saw xpm cursors |
| 19:02.33 | shevy | i prefer png or jpg tho |
| 19:02.37 | Lanken | jpg? |
| 19:02.49 | shevy | yep ugly but smaller for big files! |
| 19:02.56 | Lanken | ok, that calls for a smack in teh head. |
| 19:03.05 | Lanken | -_- |
| 19:03.16 | Lanken | for non-photos, png is often smaller than jpg |
| 19:03.25 | shevy | i have a 8.3MB map here in png |
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| 19:03.28 | Lanken | because redundant images compress way more. |
| 19:03.45 | Lanken | shevy: I have a 38 MB xcf map of Shanghai |
| 19:03.52 | shevy | xcf? |
| 19:03.57 | Lanken | gimp format |
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| 19:04.10 | Lanken | preserves layers, etc. |
| 19:04.16 | shevy | ah okay |
| 19:04.21 | shevy | sounds like .psd of adobe |
| 19:04.33 | shevy | what do i need layers, DOWN with them! :P |
| 19:04.33 | Lanken | yeah, it's like that. |
| 19:04.39 | chrisjs169 | how come i can't see the output of wall when using Konsole? |
| 19:04.48 | Lanken | shevy: yeah, and jpg is worth the savings in space... |
| 19:04.50 | Lanken | :P |
| 19:05.05 | shevy | but for this map, i need a good quality and jpg makes a mess when i use it :/ |
| 19:05.18 | shevy | yeah if you dont mind the quality ^-^ |
| 19:05.27 | Lanken | yes...you should never use jpg except for photographs, and even then only if you're not going to process it further. |
| 19:05.34 | XVampireX | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEd1uJEp6MI&mode=related&search= |
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| 19:05.55 | *** kick/#kde [XVampireX!n=pino@kde/pino] by pinotree (take a break, now) |
| 19:05.56 | Lanken | if you just got here, XVampireX is an annoying troll |
| 19:06.14 | Lanken | that link could be anything :) |
| 19:06.20 | chrisjs169 | is -> was? |
| 19:06.32 | Lanken | I suppose. |
| 19:06.40 | Lanken | I wasn't allowing for the possibility of a reform. |
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| 19:06.52 | shevy | was -> has been :> |
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| 19:11.39 | lontraII | can anyone recommend a nice icon theme? i really like the tango them for gnome but it doesn't seem fit properly with kde |
| 19:12.00 | pinotree | of course, depends on your concept of "nice" |
| 19:12.17 | lontraII | i think tango looks nice and crystal ... kinda ugly ;) |
| 19:12.19 | pinotree | may i suggest you taking a quick look on the icon themes section of www.kde-look.org ? |
| 19:12.20 | master_of_master | I've got the solution in skipping certain packages: export DO_NOT_COMPILE="foo bar"; ./configure ... |
| 19:12.35 | lontraII | pinotree: sure |
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| 19:13.58 | lontraII | i guess BC tango looks pretty good :D |
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| 19:15.11 | benJIman | There are hundreds of icon themes for kde. |
| 19:15.21 | lontraII | i know ... |
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| 19:18.49 | AndreasB | anybody there who uses kde on dual-screen without xinerama? |
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| 19:30.56 | Lanken | is anyone using kirocker? |
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| 19:37.05 | Thundercloud | Lanken: Nope, although it does look somewhat cool |
| 19:37.18 | Lanken | Thundercloud: it's not *at all* configurable. |
| 19:37.26 | Lanken | as far as I know. |
| 19:37.41 | Lanken | and I'd really like to suppress the "fullscreen" button. |
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| 19:38.32 | Thundercloud | hmm |
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| 19:39.11 | mariux | so, tried the kde four live cd |
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| 19:39.50 | mariux | worked fine |
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| 19:40.10 | aksn | hi all |
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| 19:41.15 | aksn | i lost all my messages from akregator, because i opened it twice. how could i recover them, or where does it store them? |
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| 19:42.18 | annma_ | aksn: you mean the feeds list? |
| 19:42.29 | aksn | annma_, that's it |
| 19:42.56 | Sho_ | Must be an older version - Akregator today uses a lockfile to prevent multiple instances |
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| 19:43.34 | aksn | Sho_, i didn't really opened twice, that's what it said, and when it opened my old feeds where lost |
| 19:44.07 | aksn | i use debian unstable and it's upgraded |
| 19:44.13 | annma_ | look in ~/.kde/share/apps/akregator/Archive/ |
| 19:44.36 | annma_ | what is there? |
| 19:45.19 | aksn | annma_, there are some .mk4 files |
| 19:45.23 | aksn | i can see feedlistbackup.mk4 |
| 19:45.37 | annma_ | how have?many feeds did you |
| 19:45.50 | annma_ | how many feeds did you have? |
| 19:46.10 | aksn | i had more than 2000 and now i only have 200 |
| 19:46.43 | Sho_ | 2000 feeds? o.O |
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| 19:48.30 | mrigns | how is it possible to read that much |
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| 19:49.12 | aksn | mrigns, yes, that's true, many times i only read the first 3 words.. |
| 19:49.27 | annma_ | hmmm |
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| 19:49.45 | swanfl | why is it that I try to change my background in the control panel and it shows under the control panel the new picture, yet the desktop refuses to refresh? |
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| 19:50.26 | Lanken | hit "apply?" |
| 19:50.59 | Lanken | I think I had a similar problem last night, and apply didn't work. I killed kdesktop and restarted it; that did the job. |
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| 19:53.04 | marburg | does konqueror have a javascript console (akin to firefox's) |
| 19:53.46 | aksn | i'll try to do something with the backup mk4 file, thanks annma_ and the rest! ;) |
| 19:53.48 | Lanken | aksn: did you sign up for all these feeds manually? |
| 19:54.12 | aksn | Lanken, i don't understand the question |
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| 19:54.43 | Lanken | aksn: one by one. |
| 19:54.55 | Lanken | aksn: 2000 is a staggering number. |
| 19:55.42 | aksn | Lanken, i know, it's been a long time using it, and this is the first time i lose feeds |
| 19:55.47 | aksn | and no, there is no backup :( |
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| 20:01.51 | _positivo | heloo |
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| 20:02.23 | _positivo | heloo |
| 20:02.32 | _positivo | hi |
| 20:02.37 | _positivo | haushasuhasuahsuahsu |
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| 20:03.06 | aksn_ | hi all |
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| 20:03.53 | _positivo | alguem brasileiro??? |
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| 20:04.31 | _positivo | hi |
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| 20:05.03 | _positivo | very well... |
| 20:05.14 | _positivo | are you from... |
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| 20:27.39 | Simonko66 | anyone can tell me how i can switch the desktop background in the shell? |
| 20:29.03 | obsethryl | hello, is there a way to "theme" kickoff without resorting to patching it? |
| 20:30.20 | Kyral | Simonko66: dcop kdesktop KBackgroundIface setWallpaper <path to img file> |
| 20:30.35 | Kyral | though there is a parameter "mode" which is an int which I don't know what its for |
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| 20:32.44 | Simonko66 | hmm |
| 20:32.48 | Simonko66 | cant i just set a path |
| 20:32.51 | Simonko66 | in some file? |
| 20:32.58 | Kyral | I think it does |
| 20:33.16 | Kyral | but you said from command line, and instead of hunting for the file, just use DCop ;P |
| 20:33.52 | Kyral | (Also if you want to graphically browse currently available DCOP calls on the system, run kdcop) |
| 20:33.59 | Simonko66 | no i just want to |
| 20:34.06 | Simonko66 | change my background |
| 20:34.11 | Simonko66 | with a shellscript using crontab |
| 20:34.22 | Simonko66 | when its night it should set a dark background |
| 20:34.24 | Simonko66 | and at day |
| 20:34.26 | Kyral | That would include a sed command |
| 20:34.26 | Simonko66 | a light one :) |
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| 20:34.31 | Kyral | in a shell script |
| 20:34.45 | Kyral | trust me, the dcop call is easier then figuring out the regexp ;D |
| 20:35.25 | Simonko66 | ok |
| 20:35.30 | Kyral | Gimme a sec |
| 20:35.33 | Simonko66 | do you know how crontab works? |
| 20:35.37 | Kyral | Yah |
| 20:36.35 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: i've been thinking about that actually |
| 20:36.45 | Kyral | uhh....where is the API docs is the KDesktop reference? |
| 20:36.51 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: it would be nice for kde4 to have some default setups to do that kind of thing |
| 20:37.00 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: have a set of images for different times of the day |
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| 20:37.12 | Simonko66 | 0 0-24 * * * /root/desktop.x |
| 20:37.22 | Simonko66 | it should start every hour right? |
| 20:37.29 | Kyral | ...why the heck are you running KDE as root? |
| 20:37.41 | Simonko66 | because i am not paranoid |
| 20:37.46 | Kyral | ..... |
| 20:37.48 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: so? |
| 20:37.53 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: nobody runs as root |
| 20:37.56 | Simonko66 | i do |
| 20:38.00 | Simonko66 | i feel like root |
| 20:38.01 | Simonko66 | lol |
| 20:38.01 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: nobody smart :P |
| 20:38.09 | Kyral | Dude, even experianced users like use don't run root unless needed |
| 20:38.16 | Simonko66 | dude i am not |
| 20:38.19 | Simonko66 | running any server |
| 20:38.22 | Kyral | Too easy to get drunk and accidently rm -rf * |
| 20:38.23 | Simonko66 | nor have i secret data |
| 20:38.24 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: it's not like windows where everyone just runs as root |
| 20:38.25 | Simonko66 | i dont care |
| 20:38.36 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: well, administrator |
| 20:38.44 | Kyral | JohnFlux: Let him |
| 20:39.00 | Kyral | When he screws up someday and accidently rm -rf /'s his machine |
| 20:39.03 | Simonko66 | but when i ll install fedora 7 |
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| 20:39.04 | Kyral | then he will learn his lesson |
| 20:39.07 | Simonko66 | in a month |
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| 20:39.17 | Simonko66 | i ll change to normal user |
| 20:39.22 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: use kubuntu :-D |
| 20:39.28 | Simonko66 | no ubuntu pretty sucks |
| 20:39.30 | Simonko66 | i like fedora |
| 20:39.31 | Simonko66 | :) |
| 20:39.43 | Kyral | Don't get me started on FC.... |
| 20:39.45 | JamesB192 | Hmm, Windows is getting better about security (now you can run non admin accounts) |
| 20:39.45 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: anyway, can't you get crontab to run every 12 hours |
| 20:39.54 | JohnFlux | JamesB192: in Vista? |
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| 20:40.06 | JohnFlux | JamesB192: you can't really in XP afaik |
| 20:40.08 | Kyral | JohnFlux: Actually you can |
| 20:40.15 | Simonko66 | john yes but the problem is |
| 20:40.20 | Kyral | set the hours field to two sets 12 hours apart |
| 20:40.22 | Simonko66 | when the pc is shutdown |
| 20:40.25 | Kyral | ie, 0,12 |
| 20:40.30 | Simonko66 | it wont |
| 20:40.31 | Simonko66 | run |
| 20:40.35 | Simonko66 | so it misses |
| 20:40.35 | JohnFlux | Kyral: it was rhethorical |
| 20:40.44 | Kyral | JohnFlux: Ah I'm sorry, missed it |
| 20:40.58 | JohnFlux | Kyral: I know you can, I was just hinting to Simonko66 |
| 20:40.58 | Simonko66 | when i start the script every hour i am shure it works |
| 20:41.24 | Kyral | Simonko66: Anacrond |
| 20:41.34 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: but you might want to use anacron so that it's always called if your computer is switched off during the time it's supposed to be run |
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| 20:41.53 | Kyral | Cron will usually make an entry in /var/log/auth |
| 20:42.08 | Kyral | or someplace in /var/log.... |
| 20:42.09 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: ah sorry I kinda wrote that before the anacron suggestion by Kyral |
| 20:42.23 | Simonko66 | ok |
| 20:42.23 | Simonko66 | i ll use anacron |
| 20:42.23 | Simonko66 | when i do |
| 20:42.28 | Simonko66 | service anacron status |
| 20:42.28 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: anacron is the improved version of cron that will keep track of what has run and what hasn't |
| 20:42.29 | Simonko66 | it says |
| 20:42.31 | Simonko66 | anacron dead |
| 20:42.33 | Simonko66 | is that bad? |
| 20:42.37 | JohnFlux | poor anacron |
| 20:42.40 | Kyral | lol |
| 20:42.49 | Simonko66 | i mean is this normal? |
| 20:42.53 | Kyral | What distro |
| 20:42.56 | Simonko66 | fedora |
| 20:43.04 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: maybe ask in your fedora channel |
| 20:43.11 | Simonko66 | anacron dead but subystem blocked |
| 20:43.14 | Kyral | yah. Anacron != KDE :P |
| 20:43.22 | Simonko66 | try a service anacron on your pc please |
| 20:43.32 | Kyral | I run Arch, sorry ;P |
| 20:43.51 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: and I run kubuntu |
| 20:44.03 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: i wasn't being rude to say ask in #fedora |
| 20:44.08 | Simonko66 | so whats the problem |
| 20:44.11 | Simonko66 | dont you have service |
| 20:44.14 | Simonko66 | comamnd on ubuntu? |
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| 20:44.19 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: i just don't know what the defaults are in fedora |
| 20:44.24 | Kyral | Yup yup |
| 20:44.25 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: whether they use anacron or something else |
| 20:44.31 | Simonko66 | there is anacron |
| 20:44.40 | Kyral | They used a version of the /etc/init.d style things |
| 20:44.40 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: right, but why isn't it running? |
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| 20:44.52 | Simonko66 | maybe because when it sees |
| 20:44.56 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: I don't know, and I don't want to advise you to just turn it on |
| 20:44.58 | Simonko66 | that it has nothing to do |
| 20:45.01 | Simonko66 | it goes to sleep |
| 20:45.06 | Kyral | (True) |
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| 20:45.23 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: maybe, but your fellow distro'ers would know best |
| 20:45.26 | Kyral | Anacron wakes up every hour,day,week,month |
| 20:45.32 | Simonko66 | ok |
| 20:45.38 | Simonko66 | so thats why it says |
| 20:45.40 | JohnFlux | Kyral: service anacron should check whether it's running |
| 20:45.44 | Simonko66 | anacron dead but subystem blocked :) |
| 20:45.53 | JohnFlux | Kyral: it's still 'running' even if it's sleeping |
| 20:45.53 | Kyral | JohnFlux: It usually does via something in /var/run |
| 20:45.55 | Simonko66 | its just sleeping |
| 20:46.07 | JohnFlux | service should still report it as runnin |
| 20:46.08 | JohnFlux | g |
| 20:46.17 | Kyral | JohnFlux: When I said "wakes up" I meant as coming out of a sleep command |
| 20:46.26 | JohnFlux | Kyral: me too |
| 20:46.35 | JohnFlux | Kyral: so it 'service' should show it as running |
| 20:46.37 | Kyral | yah |
| 20:46.42 | Simonko66 | john |
| 20:46.44 | Kyral | but if it has nothing to do... |
| 20:46.45 | Simonko66 | try on your pc |
| 20:46.48 | Simonko66 | what does it says? |
| 20:47.00 | Kyral | actually...I need to go kill a runaway cron process.... |
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| 20:47.18 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: ubuntu doesn't implement status :( :( |
| 20:47.52 | Simonko66 | lol |
| 20:47.58 | Simonko66 | so how can u ask |
| 20:48.05 | Simonko66 | if a service is running or not? |
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| 20:48.10 | Csani | hi. None of my KDE apps start up. The error is: "kded: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Registering failed!" and "DCOP aborting call from 'anonymous-7942' to 'kded'", amarok gives a "Floating point exception". |
| 20:48.15 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: i don't know heh |
| 20:48.18 | Csani | how can I solve the situation? |
| 20:48.20 | Simonko66 | i ll tell you |
| 20:48.22 | Simonko66 | its just |
| 20:48.26 | JohnFlux | Csani: that's screwed up |
| 20:48.27 | Simonko66 | a longer command |
| 20:48.51 | JohnFlux | Simonko66: I don't think you can |
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| 20:49.11 | Simonko66 | .../etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql status |
| 20:49.15 | Simonko66 | for example |
| 20:49.15 | JohnFlux | Csani: maybe ask in #kde-devel |
| 20:49.21 | Csani | k |
| 20:50.21 | stoned | hi |
| 20:50.34 | stoned | finally back on kde/debian after 2 months of moving around |
| 20:50.38 | stoned | i feel so much better |
| 20:50.56 | Simonko66 | well john thats wrong but something similiar to it, i m shure i ve read it somewhere |
| 20:52.14 | Kyral | Simonko66: Like we said, please ask in #fedora |
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| 20:52.41 | Kyral | Besides...I shouldn't have suggested DCOP |
| 20:52.50 | Kyral | Its gonna go bye bye in KDE4 |
| 20:53.24 | Simonko66 | ask what dude |
| 20:53.26 | Simonko66 | ? |
| 20:53.36 | Kyral | The anacron thing |
| 20:53.42 | Simonko66 | i dont need to ask that |
| 20:53.43 | Simonko66 | its working |
| 20:53.45 | Kyral | or did I miss something while I was zoned out in kill land |
| 20:53.48 | Simonko66 | i m configuring it now |
| 20:54.01 | SaintRyoda | What IS DCOP anyway? |
| 20:54.02 | Kyral | Still wonder why I have a zombied KDesktop process.... |
| 20:54.08 | stoned | ~dcop |
| 20:59.46 | apt | dcop is probably Desktop COmmunication Protocol -- Faster, nicer, and cooler than you'd ever want! |
| 21:00.01 | Kyral | Interprocess communication |
| 21:00.01 | shevy | you can control stuff with dcop |
| 21:00.02 | shevy | like change background image |
| 21:00.02 | SaintRyoda | Oh. I understand now. |
| 21:00.05 | shevy | is kde4 improve on dcop? |
| 21:00.05 | pinotree | kde4 uses D-Bus |
| 21:00.06 | Kyral | KDE4 replaces it with DBus |
| 21:00.06 | shevy | is that bad or good ;) |
| 21:00.07 | Kyral | a unified interprocess communication system that GNOME also uses |
| 21:00.07 | SaintRyoda | I guess you'll find out in the fall, huh? ;) |
| 21:00.08 | shevy | :( |
| 21:00.09 | shevy | but i am in love with dcop! |
| 21:00.10 | thiago | it's gone |
| 21:00.10 | thiago | I removed DCOP a year ago |
| 21:00.12 | shevy | well i am still on the 3.x branch :) |
| 21:00.12 | Kyral | thiago: So KDE 3.5.7 won't have DCOP? |
| 21:00.12 | thiago | no, KDE 4.0.0 won't have DCOP |
| 21:00.14 | thiago | KDE 3.x is unchanged |
| 21:00.15 | Kyral | Ah you meant you removed it from the KDE4 source |
| 21:00.16 | shevy | i am mostly using dcop in scripts |
| 21:00.16 | Kyral | Sorry too much coding today, my head is foggy |
| 21:00.17 | thiago | oh, yeah, that. Sorry for the misunderstanding. |
| 21:00.18 | SaintRyoda | I just hope KDE4 runs on my Piece of crap PC |
| 21:00.19 | Kyral | How easy will the transition from KDE3 to KDE4 be? |
| 21:00.22 | thiago | Kyral: hopefully, smooth. |
| 21:00.23 | Kyral | mmm |
| 21:00.24 | Kyral | Hehe don't worry, I'm not so naive that I expect everything will work 100% |
| 21:00.24 | shevy | smoothened by the body of dead beta testers ;) |
| 21:00.26 | Kyral | Espcially with my tweaked out setup |
| 21:00.30 | Simonko66 | kyral i had to give 1 as parameter in order to get it work |
| 21:00.31 | Simonko66 | this integer parameter you told about |
| 21:00.31 | Kyral | Simonko66: Ah |
| 21:00.31 | Kyral | yah I dunno what it meant |
| 21:00.33 | Simonko66 | with 0 it doesnt work |
| 21:00.33 | Simonko66 | well |
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| 21:00.33 | Simonko66 | i dont know |
| 21:00.34 | Simonko66 | what it is |
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| 21:19.51 | Csani | hi. kde apps not starting, I am getting wrid dcop errors and floating point exceptions. amarok, xine, kopete, k3b none of them start up. |
| 21:21.40 | Csani | can anyone help me find what has gone wrong in my system (Debain etch up-to-date) since yesterday? |
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| 21:21.51 | Simonko66 | kyral? |
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| 21:22.10 | Kyral | hmm? |
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| 21:23.19 | Simonko66 | you want the shell script |
| 21:23.20 | Simonko66 | to |
| 21:23.24 | Simonko66 | change desktop |
| 21:23.25 | Simonko66 | ? |
| 21:23.29 | Kyral | nah |
| 21:23.39 | Kyral | Thanks for offering though |
| 21:23.48 | Simonko66 | ok |
| 21:23.53 | Kyral | 1) I don't need the functionality |
| 21:24.00 | Kyral | and 2) I like figuring it out for myself |
| 21:24.10 | Kyral | seeing as I pride myself on my shell scripting skills |
| 21:24.26 | Simonko66 | my shell script skills suck |
| 21:24.34 | Simonko66 | but its because they are so different to c |
| 21:24.36 | Simonko66 | and java |
| 21:24.44 | Kyral | Gimme a sec.... |
| 21:24.44 | Simonko66 | its not my thematic shell scripts |
| 21:25.16 | Kyral | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html |
| 21:25.32 | Kyral | Quite possibly the best shell scripting documentation ever |
| 21:27.36 | Lanken | I don't like bash's loop syntax |
| 21:27.40 | Lanken | "do" |
| 21:28.00 | Lanken | I really like the loop syntax in autohotkey |
| 21:28.06 | Lanken | loop n { } |
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| 21:28.24 | Lanken | but then, you need something else if you want to refer to the iteration variable inside the loop. |
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| 21:33.52 | sabayonuser | hello |
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| 21:35.01 | sabayonuser | #kde ?? |
| 21:35.45 | pinotree | ~ask |
| 21:35.49 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. |
| 21:35.56 | pinotree | sabayonuser: just ask |
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| 21:36.14 | sabayonuser | i have a question about dual booting linux i installed gub on my /boot partition and it is just going straight to windows |
| 21:36.28 | sabayonuser | grub* |
| 21:36.39 | sabayonuser | it's w/ vista |
| 21:36.57 | pinotree | sabayonuser: ##linux please |
| 21:37.03 | sabayonuser | thanks |
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| 21:40.37 | SAS_Spidey01 | How on earth did that end up in here ? |
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| 21:41.06 | SAS_Spidey01 | Dual booting KDE and GNOME, now that would make sense here hehhe |
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| 21:43.57 | wynd | is there a dcop command to unhide the taskbar? |
| 21:44.45 | shevy | good question |
| 21:44.51 | shevy | can the taskbar be dcop-ed? |
| 21:44.51 | wynd | yeah |
| 21:44.55 | Kyral | To kdcop! |
| 21:45.14 | wynd | hey, i never knew about that command |
| 21:45.55 | wynd | shevy: i would assume it's kicker and not the taskbar applet itsef |
| 21:45.57 | Kyral | And now I depart for dinner :D |
| 21:49.02 | Simonko66 | blyn vista |
| 21:49.43 | shevy | aha |
| 21:50.04 | shevy | well in kicker i see no Taskbar |
| 21:50.19 | shevy | hmm |
| 21:50.23 | shevy | but i see another kicker |
| 21:50.34 | shevy | and inside i see only a showTaskBarConfig |
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| 22:02.39 | sylvia | hi, im having a strange problem, theres a window i cant resize horizontally |
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| 22:03.39 | _whitenoise_ | Hi all |
| 22:03.48 | sylvia | all other applications resize fine, and this one (apollon) used to work fine also |
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| 22:07.53 | sylvia | i tried changing window manager to beryl, metacity and kwin, and not one of them can resize that window |
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| 22:11.04 | agent | Is there a way to move a program up/down for the whole group in file associations? |
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| 22:11.58 | agent | example: I would like VLC to be first for all videos where possible. |
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| 22:17.13 | n3kl | Anyone know how to tell k3b to rescan the devices? for some reason k3b does not recognize my burner as a burner. |
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| 22:18.23 | RushPL | n3kl: rm -rf ~/.kde/share/config/k3b* ? |
| 22:18.25 | lilltiger | n3kl: have you eaven tried? as there is an option for that in the setting just take a peek |
| 22:18.28 | RushPL | or maybe k3bsetup |
| 22:18.41 | p_masho | I've just upgraded my Ununtu. and now if I try to play an .mpg movie in Kaffeiene (or anything) I get codec not found.. any ideas |
| 22:18.55 | RushPL | p_masho: wmv ? |
| 22:18.56 | RushPL | aa |
| 22:18.58 | RushPL | sorry :) |
| 22:19.01 | RushPL | too quick reading |
| 22:19.24 | p_masho | RushPL: no their all mpg.. |
| 22:19.30 | lilltiger | p_masho: automatix |
| 22:19.44 | lilltiger | and install the codecs |
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| 22:19.53 | p_masho | it worked before.. but after this upgrade it dont.. so not sure where to look really.. can see anything on google either |
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| 22:20.41 | n3kl | lilltiger: what setting? |
| 22:21.58 | lilltiger | well I dont know.. could be Device.. naa that would be to obvius wouldent it.. |
| 22:23.30 | p_masho | This is what I get in Keffiene >> : xine: couldn't find demux for >/home/mash/cvss/b/fred_22.mpg >> xine: found input plugin : file input plugin |
| 22:23.48 | n3kl | lilltiger: fuck you |
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| 22:23.56 | Kyral | !language |
| 22:24.24 | lilltiger | :) |
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| 22:26.27 | expose | Searching for "foo" in the command "dcop foo bar" which locks a session |
| 22:26.40 | expose | (i guess "bar" can rather easily be found then... |
| 22:27.41 | EnsGabe | Hi- I'm using KDE 3.5.6 and I have an annoying issue with kicker's systray- there's blank spaces where it looks like an app's tray icon used to be. It's now just a blank space, and I'm wondering how to get rid of it (besides logging in and back out, or killing and restarting kicker.) Any thoughts on where to start? |
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| 22:31.42 | lilltiger | EnsGabe: try to figure out wich app it could be |
| 22:35.10 | lilltiger | then kill it and hope for the best :) |
| 22:35.14 | EnsGabe | I know I could do that, lilltiger :) |
| 22:35.16 | lilltiger | only way.. |
| 22:35.20 | EnsGabe | If it were a frozen app, would no context menu come up when you right click? |
| 22:35.23 | lilltiger | depends |
| 22:35.27 | lilltiger | it could come up, the app might have unreged the mouse capture but still alcolating the space |
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| 22:35.29 | EnsGabe | What happens now is that kicker catches the mouse event as if there were nothing there |
| 22:35.30 | EnsGabe | Like I'd clicked in spaces between tray icons |
| 22:35.31 | dashs | debian etch: have no devices as user, but root works ok -- any fix? tried deleting user config for k3b, no joy. |
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| 22:36.10 | lilltiger | EnsGabe: if you restart kicker, will it go back to normal? |
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| 22:36.33 | dashs | debian etch: k3b has no devices as user, but root works ok -- any fix? tried deleting user config for k3b, no joy. |
| 22:38.06 | EnsGabe | lilltiger: They're gone when it's restarted |
| 22:38.15 | EnsGabe | The spaces, that is |
| 22:38.54 | lilltiger | EnsGabe: So it should be an app that causes this, any idea on which? |
| 22:40.55 | EnsGabe | It's not any of the obvious culprits- gaim, opera, amarok. I'll keep my eye out for which app does it |
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| 22:41.26 | lilltiger | EnsGabe: runing amsn? |
| 22:41.31 | EnsGabe | No |
| 22:41.36 | lilltiger | kaffeine? |
| 22:41.39 | EnsGabe | Yes |
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| 22:41.48 | lilltiger | could be that, seen it do it |
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| 23:07.15 | haris | where are a kde user's locale settings stored? |
| 23:07.29 | pinotree | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.40 | apt | from memory, /.kde/ is the directory where KDE stores it's settings and stuff |
| 23:07.48 | haris | i want to remove all of a user's locale settings, but leave the rest of their kde preserved |
| 23:08.20 | haris | pinotree: but where specifically? don't wanna delete ~/.kde just to remove the locale settings. vital mail, configs, etc |
| 23:08.20 | pinotree | locale? then you might want to look at ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals |
| 23:08.35 | haris | I did mv kdeglobals kdeglobals_old and it still preserved them |
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| 23:11.09 | haris | hm, the crash on logout maybe have been the problem actually; clean relogin and it's fine now |
| 23:11.14 | haris | =) |
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| 23:19.53 | hidan | hi is there any some sort of guide on the forums or bugtracker, on how to file a good bug report? |
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| 23:20.23 | myah | hi guys |
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| 23:23.33 | Lanken | myah: I've done that. |
| 23:23.38 | Lanken | only it was with kolourpaint |
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| 23:24.40 | myah | Lanken: how do you fix it? it is so annoying! |
| 23:25.01 | Lanken | file properties, click the config button |
| 23:25.08 | Lanken | remove the kdesu association |
| 23:25.12 | myah | ah |
| 23:25.27 | myah | I'm an xfce guy |
| 23:25.30 | myah | so this is all new to me |
| 23:26.57 | myah | uhhoh.. this could be a problem. there IS no kdesu |
| 23:27.52 | Lanken | hmm. not sure what to tell you. you could send a screenshot of what you're seing. |
| 23:27.54 | Lanken | *seeing |
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| 23:39.15 | PushfPopf | Hi, I just installed Fedora 5 with KDE. |
| 23:39.16 | PushfPopf | Anybody know how to get new windows to open up un-docked? Every time I open an app, it's docked in the top left corner of the screen and can't be dragged (need to right clik on the taskbar and select "move). |
| 23:39.18 | PushfPopf | Tnx! |
| 23:39.45 | PushfPopf | (oops, should be Fedora 6) |
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| 23:40.40 | wolsni | PushfPopf: i've been using KDE on FC6 since FC6 was released and never seen that problem |
| 23:41.01 | Fri13- | Hi! Does someone know is there way to add kerry menu entry to KDE:s open/save dialog (like suse has) if removed or if wanted to have on other distros? |
| 23:41.54 | wolsni | PushfPopf: do you mean there's no window border that you can use to drag the window? |
| 23:42.14 | PushfPopf | Hmmm. Maybe mine is broken somehow. |
| 23:42.16 | PushfPopf | I haven't changed anything from the default install. This is my first shot at a desktop env. I've been using bash and c-shell for the past 20 years or so. 8-) |
| 23:42.40 | PushfPopf | the top of the window covers up the normal top menu on the screen |
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| 23:42.51 | wolsni | PushfPopf: try holding the alt button down and dragging the window that way |
| 23:43.02 | wolsni | 'normal top menu' ? that sounds like gnome |
| 23:43.09 | wolsni | fedora's default desktop is gnome |
| 23:43.15 | PushfPopf | I'll give it a shot. |
| 23:43.17 | PushfPopf | Hmmm. Th |
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| 23:44.19 | PushfPopf | That's weird, but might explain things. The "About" menu says KDE. I'll have to go back and double check. The whole *nix GUI thing is new to me. |
| 23:44.48 | wolsni | PushfPopf: do you have a big blue K-button at the botton of the screen? |
| 23:44.56 | wolsni | bottom left, that is |
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| 23:45.14 | PushfPopf | I'll check. Be back in a minute. The machine is in another and I can't get to it from here. |
| 23:46.12 | stemcel | could anyone here perhaps answer a question or two about amarok? I asked in #amarok but no one replied |
| 23:46.32 | wolsni | wait, never mind; the default icon set for kde in fedora has a blue bubble with an F in it instead of the K with gears |
| 23:47.34 | hidan | hmmm oh well, nevermind... |
| 23:48.23 | stemcel | how does one go about changing the theme and splash screen in amarok? |
| 23:48.30 | wolsni | i guess an easier way to tell would be that gnome has a top and bottom panel by default, while kde defaults to only having the bottom one |
| 23:48.43 | wolsni | stemcel: there's an 'appearance' section in the configuration dialog |
| 23:49.16 | stemcel | right, but as far as I can tell there's nothing in there about a general theme, only limited color scheme options, context menu styles, and font customization |
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| 23:49.29 | stemcel | the latest of which does not, as far as I can tell, include color |
| 23:49.30 | wolsni | stemcel: you can click the 'download styles' button there to download themes for the context browser |
| 23:49.34 | terlmann | ehe |
| 23:49.59 | wolsni | stemcel: if you want to theme the actual buttons and such, you need to use a KDE widget style |
| 23:50.06 | stemcel | right, but those only apply to the context pane and not the collection or playlist or anything else |
| 23:50.09 | stemcel | thanks! |
| 23:50.32 | wolsni | stemcel: if you use amarok --style 'stylename' you can have it run with a style other than the global setting |
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| 23:51.21 | stemcel | wolsni: is there any way to make that the default so that if I'm launching it from the console or application launcher I don't need to type --style 'more characters' ? |
| 23:51.31 | Lupino | Is there a dcop call I can use to force the systray to redraw the icons? |
| 23:51.53 | wolsni | stemcel: you mean to make amarok always start with a different style than what's set for KDE? |
| 23:51.56 | Lupino | I have one that doesn't show up as anyting but blank space unless I move the systray around or launch another icon into it. |
| 23:52.11 | wolsni | i'd probably use a .desktop file with a custom command or a shell alias |
| 23:52.14 | PushfPopf | OK. I must be on drugs. That's about the only answer. |
| 23:52.15 | PushfPopf | It *is* Gnome, not KDE. The windows are created with the title bar above the top of the screen, hiding under the top menu, so this is probably the wrong place to ask. Sorry to bother you guys, thanks for the help! |
| 23:53.22 | wolsni | PushfPopf: #fedora's pretty helpful most of the time |
| 23:53.47 | terlmann | Lupino : I have the same problem ;-) |
| 23:53.53 | wolsni | or i can dig up some info about switching fedora to use KDE if you want |
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| 23:54.03 | Lupino | terlmann: Reall, what apps cause it? |
| 23:54.13 | stemcel | wolsni: do shell aliases carry through to the application launcher (alt+f2/whatever) ? |
| 23:54.32 | wolsni | stemcel: never tried it, easy enough to find out though |
| 23:54.33 | terlmann | for me : a whole bunch |
| 23:54.36 | wolsni | my guess would be no |
| 23:54.52 | wolsni | kmail hides its tray icon for me sometimes |
| 23:55.01 | wolsni | i just hide and unhide the panel to fix it |
| 23:55.37 | PushfPopf | Cool! I'll pop over there and ask. |
| 23:55.38 | stemcel | wolsni: right |
| 23:55.38 | PushfPopf | If I can't get a real quick fix (config) change, I'll pop back over and see about switching. |
| 23:55.40 | PushfPopf | CULater |
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