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| 00:11.46 | eminkz | how to make K menu transparant like Panel ? :D |
| 00:12.20 | Renze | kcontrol -> appearance & themes -> style, effects tab |
| 00:14.42 | eminkz | Renze: tnx...its working now |
| 00:14.48 | Renze | no problem |
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| 00:15.48 | f0g | I want the same key to do the thing to two channels. Possible? |
| 00:16.22 | f0g | Like, I want it to raise the volume on two channels. Or lower on two. |
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| 00:16.43 | AOA | is there anyway to use KDE without X ? |
| 00:16.46 | Renze | AOA: no |
| 00:17.01 | john_b | what, like under Cygwin or something? |
| 00:17.18 | AOA | but...is there any other graphic server, similar to X ? |
| 00:17.31 | john_b | not really |
| 00:17.42 | john_b | there's XFree86 and XOrg, but I assume that's not what you mean |
| 00:17.58 | AOA | I am wondering, why is Mac OS graphic (window) manager bilion times faster than KDE or any other linux wm |
| 00:18.26 | Renze | AOA: because it uses opengl for rendering... just like KDE will very likely do in the near future |
| 00:18.34 | john_b | maybe it uses hardware acceleration? |
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| 00:19.02 | AOA | Renze , john_b I didnt know that it uses GL |
| 00:19.08 | f0g | it keeps raising the volume on one channel when I try to use the second. |
| 00:19.18 | john_b | AOA: it also helps when you have control over the hardware you run on :) |
| 00:19.35 | AOA | john_b :) |
| 00:19.52 | john_b | KDE doesn't just run on pretty grey/white boxes with curved corners and embossing of the letter "i" |
| 00:19.54 | john_b | :) |
| 00:20.29 | john_b | AOA: have you seen the compiz/XGL demo videos? |
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| 00:20.55 | john_b | it shows a hardware-accelerated GNOME desktop doing the same kinds of things you see in Aqua |
| 00:20.55 | Renze | Qt4 already has the option to render widgets using openGL |
| 00:21.00 | AOA | < Renze > but...what do you think , when KDE developer start to use OpenGL for rendering? |
| 00:21.11 | AOA | < john_b > no |
| 00:21.14 | Renze | AOA: KDE4 will have that functionality |
| 00:21.23 | john_b | I should say, a hardware-accelerated GNOME-_like_ desktop |
| 00:21.25 | deitarion | Apparently Kubuntu has kdesu acting as sudo rather than su? Is that a standard feature I could enable in 3.5.5 on my Gentoo box? |
| 00:21.26 | john_b | heh |
| 00:21.40 | john_b | deitarion: yeah, it invokes "sudo su -" |
| 00:21.42 | f0g | Anyone? |
| 00:22.19 | deitarion | john_b: Ok, how do I modify kdesu's behaviour? It's always been a black box to me. |
| 00:22.35 | john_b | deitarion: no idea...I just noticed it was doing that, one day |
| 00:22.50 | AOA | < Renze > you mean taht KDE 4 will use QT4, or it will use OpenGL functions directly to draw on screen ? |
| 00:23.23 | Renze | AOA: KDE4 will use Qt4, and use thinks like xgl/aiglx for opengl accelerated rendering of windows and stuff |
| 00:23.37 | Renze | things* |
| 00:23.44 | f0g | Renze: Is there a project finish date yet? |
| 00:23.45 | john_b | that's gonna be super neat |
| 00:23.48 | Renze | f0g: no |
| 00:23.56 | f0g | Heh. Didn' think so. |
| 00:24.03 | f0g | Ahh well. :) |
| 00:24.10 | f0g | So... two channels, one key? |
| 00:24.11 | Renze | f0g: there is still a lot of work to do |
| 00:24.17 | Renze | f0g: can't be done |
| 00:24.22 | john_b | I don't usually go for the eye candy stuff, but the spinning desktops and stuff are real zingers hehe |
| 00:24.31 | f0g | Renze: Eugh. Great. |
| 00:24.32 | f0g | :( |
| 00:24.54 | john_b | f0g: maybe you could hack it...make the key run a shell script that runs two commands? |
| 00:25.13 | f0g | john_b: Possible... I guess. |
| 00:25.23 | f0g | Ugly. |
| 00:25.32 | john_b | I agree |
| 00:25.40 | john_b | but not having it is even uglier, I think :) |
| 00:25.44 | f0g | Touche. |
| 00:25.49 | AOA | Renze ...do you know, maybe...Does Mac OS use X11 or something similar ? |
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| 00:26.04 | Renze | AOA: it uses a custom graphics layer |
| 00:26.08 | john_b | AOA: it uses Aqua |
| 00:26.18 | john_b | that's why it floooooooooows |
| 00:26.21 | f0g | Still, getting alsamixer to do stuff on the CL is ugly. :) |
| 00:26.48 | f0g | Is it even possible? |
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| 00:27.15 | john_b | not sure I've ever tried |
| 00:27.20 | john_b | I know you can script aumix |
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| 00:27.32 | hollywoodb | amixer as well |
| 00:27.36 | christiank92 | hi, i have a problem printing some pdf with KDE (cups). If i print with 2 pages per sheet the pdf is printed but with the default 1 page per sheet it doest print |
| 00:27.36 | john_b | but I don't know how/if that interacts with ALSA |
| 00:28.00 | AOA | < Renze > I am asking, because I was tried to install Mac OS on AMD , and in installation I had some option to chek , option name was X11 |
| 00:28.21 | Renze | AOA: you can install MacOS on non Apple hardware now?!? |
| 00:28.24 | john_b | AOA: OS X can install XFree86 as an optional package, to run X11 apps |
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| 00:29.06 | AOA | < Renze > o, yes, sure, it runs great. |
| 00:29.20 | hollywoodb | Renze: it became somewhat inherent when Mac boxes became x86 boxes ;) From what I read there's more to it than just popping in the install media though |
| 00:29.37 | sleek | is there any reason to install xscreensaver if i have kscreensaver installed? |
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| 00:29.40 | Renze | hollywoodb: yeah... bypassing the "is this Apple hardware" check ;) |
| 00:29.53 | john_b | sleek: if you don't want the extra "modules", then no |
| 00:30.04 | AOA | < john_b > I am just wondering why is Mac OS graphical interface so much faster than Linux, BSD etc ( I mean X, and KDE for example) |
| 00:30.05 | sleek | what are the extra modules? |
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| 00:30.19 | john_b | AOA: as previously stated...GL acceleration |
| 00:30.27 | Renze | AOA: we already answered that question |
| 00:30.33 | AOA | o, yes |
| 00:30.35 | john_b | sleek: xscreensaver has tons of different screensavers...KDE only has a few |
| 00:30.40 | sleek | ah ok |
| 00:30.41 | sleek | thanks |
| 00:30.44 | AOA | short memory... |
| 00:30.51 | john_b | the really good ones are in the rss-glx package though |
| 00:30.57 | john_b | really slick screensavers :) |
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| 00:31.08 | john_b | but bring your GeForce card haha |
| 00:31.12 | john_b | oh, and electricsheep |
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| 00:32.08 | john_b | so if you want any of that, you'll need xscreensaver |
| 00:33.06 | hollywoodb | Renze: http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Installation_Guides |
| 00:33.21 | Renze | hollywoodb: I have no plans to ever install it ;) |
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| 00:42.26 | busted | i think KDE is not as professionally made as OS X |
| 00:42.28 | busted | am i right? |
| 00:42.51 | Renze | busted: I think you're wrong, but that's just my opinion |
| 00:43.01 | busted | oh |
| 00:43.04 | Sho_ | busted: Define "professionally made" :-) |
| 00:43.21 | busted | i'm just looking at screenshots, i mean, it doens't look as great as OS X |
| 00:43.27 | Odd_Bloke | busted: I think OS X is not as Free as KDE. |
| 00:43.41 | busted | comes free w/ macs :) |
| 00:43.52 | Renze | you pay for it when you buy the mac |
| 00:43.53 | Sho_ | busted: Aesthetics are just one part of the equation, though |
| 00:44.12 | busted | Sho_, you mean the look? |
| 00:44.20 | Odd_Bloke | busted: It comes 'free' with Macs, but it isn't Free. |
| 00:44.21 | Sho_ | busted: No, you meant the look. I mean functionality ;-) |
| 00:44.26 | Renze | eye candy does not equate to functionality |
| 00:44.32 | busted | oh |
| 00:45.04 | Sho_ | busted: Note by the way that Apple is using and selling KDE technology - their browser Safari and their widget platform Dashboard both use KDEs KHTML and KJS technology |
| 00:45.20 | busted | really? |
| 00:45.23 | busted | didn't know that |
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| 00:45.25 | Renze | really |
| 00:45.37 | busted | Sho_, by "aesthetics" you meant look, right? |
| 00:45.53 | Sho_ | busted: yes |
| 00:45.54 | Renze | busted: do you not speak english? |
| 00:46.13 | Sho_ | busted: I agree that Apple's software is very pretty, but I personally feel that KDE software is more powerful :-) |
| 00:46.16 | busted | I'm kind of russian, but i speak pretty well |
| 00:46.28 | busted | Sho_, by functionality and not eye candy, rigth? |
| 00:46.29 | Renze | pretty is not always best |
| 00:47.00 | busted | i g2g |
| 00:47.01 | busted | thanks |
| 00:47.37 | Renze | my word, but there are a lot of sheep out there... following the rest of the herd |
| 00:47.51 | Odd_Bloke | Mint sauce! |
| 00:48.06 | Renze | popular opinion seems to be what everybody follows |
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| 00:50.11 | Sho_ | Renze: Well, people obviously respond to sophisticated aesthethics, and open source initially had huge problems attracting talented artists |
| 00:50.27 | Renze | Sho_: people are dumb (rule #1) |
| 00:51.04 | Renze | individuals are smart... but people, as a whole, are frighteningly stupid |
| 00:51.12 | Sho_ | Renze: I don't think it's dumb to want a good-looking computing environment ;) |
| 00:51.35 | Odd_Bloke | Heh. |
| 00:51.44 | Renze | Sho_: no, it's not... but to concentrate purely on that is |
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| 00:52.47 | Sho_ | Renze: I think there's a difference between stupidity and ignorance, and we're all ignorant to some degree about issues that are not of great immediate importance to us ... that guy at least showed active interest in alternatives and was driven to inquire |
| 00:53.36 | Renze | Odd_Bloke: so did I |
| 00:54.06 | Sho_ | so did I, yeah - but I usually ignore that unless somebody proofs beyond doubt they're trolling ;) |
| 00:54.25 | Sho_ | fwiw, he queried me and followed up on some stuff, I think he was just embarassed about his English |
| 00:55.12 | Renze | to me his english seemed very good... I was just taken by surprise that he didn't know the word "æsthetics" |
| 00:57.39 | koala_man | is "æsthetics" valid english? |
| 00:58.05 | Renze | usually, the a and e are separated, probably because the æ is considered archaic |
| 00:58.16 | koala_man | dictionary.com has no entry |
| 00:59.30 | Renze | in American they drop the a at the front |
| 01:00.04 | koala_man | oxford and merriam-websters don't have it either |
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| 01:00.45 | Renze | I found it on dictionary.com |
| 01:01.10 | koala_man | with æ? |
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| 01:01.18 | Renze | no, with ae |
| 01:01.32 | Renze | like I said, æ is considered archaic |
| 01:01.45 | koala_man | but is it still legal? |
| 01:01.51 | admrl | exit |
| 01:01.52 | Renze | define "legal"? |
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| 01:02.00 | koala_man | will the police come and take you away if you use it? |
| 01:02.13 | Renze | koala_man: of course not :P |
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| 01:02.24 | Renze | koala_man: languages are dynamic, not static |
| 01:02.35 | Sho_ | koala_man: http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=aesthetics |
| 01:02.37 | Renze | look at the word "gay" for example |
| 01:02.46 | magyar | does anyone knows why KDE is killing the Firefox 2.0 session as opose to "proper closeing" of the application on logout? |
| 01:02.50 | Renze | what did that word mean in the 1950s? |
| 01:03.50 | koala_man | can you write al-Qæda? |
| 01:04.10 | Renze | no, because that's not English |
| 01:04.39 | koala_man | striæ? |
| 01:05.16 | Renze | you mean stria? |
| 01:05.22 | koala_man | striae |
| 01:05.34 | Renze | striae is the archaic version |
| 01:05.41 | koala_man | one stria two striae |
| 01:06.11 | Renze | both are singular and plural |
| 01:07.20 | koala_man | but can you use æ for ae regardless of the origin of the word? |
| 01:07.50 | Renze | no |
| 01:08.07 | Renze | æ has a specific sound |
| 01:08.16 | koala_man | when the dictionary says stria noun (pl. striae /striee/) |
| 01:09.15 | Renze | koala_man: the dictionary I used said stria was both singular and plural, and that striæ was archaic |
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| 01:09.42 | Renze | but this is not #language_puzzles, this is #kde ;) |
| 01:09.52 | koala_man | uhm. we're discussing locales. |
| 01:09.55 | koala_man | or something |
| 01:10.09 | Renze | koala_man: æ is hardly ever used anywhere any more |
| 01:10.13 | Sho_ | Well, the æ was originally just a ligature of the Latin diphtong of a and e ... if it's a special sound in English or Old English that happened later on ;) |
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| 01:11.00 | Renze | Sho_: just like ü in german ;) |
| 01:11.24 | JoseBravo | Im triying to start compiz in KDE but I get this error: compiz: Another window manager is already running on screen: 0 |
| 01:11.38 | JoseBravo | In gnome works fine. :( |
| 01:11.38 | Renze | JoseBravo: set the KDEWM env variable before starting KDE |
| 01:11.47 | Sho_ | Renze: Diacritical marks didn't start out as a ligature ;) |
| 01:12.01 | Renze | Sho_: not even ß? |
| 01:12.19 | Odd_Bloke | This conversation is incredibly confusing in irssi... :p |
| 01:12.28 | koala_man | Odd_Bloke: I seem to be following it just fine |
| 01:13.02 | Odd_Bloke | koala_man: I'm running Debian stable irssi, there's barely support for capital letters... |
| 01:13.07 | koala_man | haha |
| 01:13.12 | JoseBravo | Renze, export KDEWM=????? |
| 01:13.14 | Renze | Odd_Bloke: HAH! |
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| 01:13.22 | Sho_ | Renze: That's a ligature, yes - but a different animal than ü ;) |
| 01:13.31 | Renze | JoseBravo: I don't use compiz... what you need to set it to is your problem ;) |
| 01:13.33 | Odd_Bloke | Renze: What did you say? |
| 01:13.46 | Renze | Odd_Bloke: oH, NoThInG ;) |
| 01:13.51 | Odd_Bloke | :p |
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| 01:14.17 | JoseBravo | Odd_Bloke, you know why is my problem? |
| 01:14.27 | Renze | Odd_Bloke: なにごと |
| 01:14.42 | koala_man | シ |
| 01:14.46 | Renze | シ |
| 01:14.53 | Sho_ | pretty boxes |
| 01:15.14 | Odd_Bloke | JoseBravo: You've alredy been told, but Beryl does the same thing as Compiz but better. |
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| 01:17.31 | JoseBravo | Odd_Bloke, I see the Bery web is down, "Server hard drive disk failed on Sunday, and we're currently trying to rescue it even though it does not look good at all. Apologies." |
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| 01:18.41 | Odd_Bloke | JoseBravo: Oh yeah, that probably won't make life all to easy. |
| 01:19.16 | Sho_ | JoseBravo: A "window manager" is a special application that takes care of the placement and appearance of windows on the screen. KDE includes a window manager called kwin. compiz is also a window manager. They can't run at the same time. Hence you need to kill kwin before starting compiz, or start compiz with the proper option to replace the existing window manager, or change your startup scripts to export the $KDEWM environment variable to include |
| 01:19.19 | Sho_ | the name of the compiz executable so KDE will start compiz rather than kwin. |
| 01:19.51 | Renze | there are plenty of howtos out there on how to do this on whatever distro you use |
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| 01:20.41 | JoseBravo | Sho_, I did that, I did killall kwin before start compiz |
| 01:21.09 | JoseBravo | I lost all my borders and windows menu |
| 01:21.24 | Sho_ | JoseBravo: Perhaps it got automatically restarted, or you didn't kill it properly, or compiz sucks (it's immature software.) |
| 01:22.04 | JoseBravo | jdbravo@localhost ~]$ ps xa | grep kwin |
| 01:22.04 | JoseBravo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.56 | Sho_ | JoseBravo: Then maybe it's option #3 ;) |
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| 01:23.12 | Sho_ | JoseBravo: In which case it's not a KDE problem and you should ask in #compiz or somesuch :) |
| 01:24.00 | Odd_Bloke | JoseBravo: What distro are you running? |
| 01:24.14 | JoseBravo | FC6 |
| 01:24.43 | Odd_Bloke | Mmm... no idea then. |
| 01:25.19 | JoseBravo | Ok |
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| 01:35.18 | pmitros | Gotta question. I wanna poke at the konqueror source code. I'm running Debian stable, which means many of my libraries are not the latest versions. When I tried compiling konqueror a few weeks back, it gave some errors, presumably due to other parts of my system being a bit out-of-date. Is there any documentation somewhere on (a) building KDE in Debian/stable (b) ideally, keeping it isolated from the rest of the system (e.g. instal |
| 01:36.08 | pmitros | I can probably figure it out myself, step by step, but if there was some document somewhere on all the dependencies for KDE, especially with regards to Debian/stable, it would save me a bit of time. |
| 01:36.38 | Sho_ | http://www.kde.org/info/requirements/ |
| 01:37.03 | pmitros | Oh. Nifty. |
| 01:37.40 | Sho_ | nifty? we have nifty: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=7290 |
| 01:38.22 | pmitros | Eh. That's less nifty. |
| 01:38.35 | Sho_ | Well, it's knifty. |
| 01:38.37 | Sho_ | :-) |
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| 01:40.33 | inuka | hi, does anyone use ktorrent here? do you know how to share files and just increase your share ratio in general? |
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| 01:41.52 | Sho_ | inuka: I recommend perhaps checking out the Wikipedia page about BitTorrent in general first, as your questions seem to indicate some wrong assumptions |
| 01:41.53 | pmitros | Hmm... Actually, poking around again, the build instructions on the wiki are quite nice. |
| 01:42.25 | Sho_ | pmitros: #kde-devel would be a more appropriate venue, btw |
| 01:42.38 | pmitros | Okay. I'll go over there. Thanks |
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| 01:44.07 | Sho_ | inuka: For example BitTorrent is no centralized service with a global share ratio tracking |
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| 02:03.29 | vldmr | hi ! |
| 02:03.35 | vldmr | anyone here use slackware ? |
| 02:03.44 | Odd_Bloke | vldmr: Why do you ask? |
| 02:03.58 | vldmr | ok |
| 02:04.33 | Odd_Bloke | I'm just wondering, because if you have a question it may not be Slackware specific. |
| 02:04.56 | Odd_Bloke | I wouldn't want you to not ask it just because no one happened to be using Slackware in the channel ATM. |
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| 02:06.31 | vldmr | I do a upgrade on udev and kde from linuxpackages.net packages. Now I have this message appear in kde: "KDE Media Manager Is Not running" |
| 02:07.16 | a52x3 | test |
| 02:07.20 | Renze | failed |
| 02:08.05 | vldmr | Odd_Bloke: can you say me how I do to solver this problem ? |
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| 02:08.46 | vldmr | or anyone can tell me anything to solver it ? |
| 02:08.56 | Odd_Bloke | vldmr: I'm afraid I can't. Have you tried Googling? |
| 02:09.29 | vldmr | Odd_Bloke: I read any docs from linuxpackages.net |
| 02:09.47 | Odd_Bloke | I'm afraid I don't have any other ideas. :( |
| 02:09.49 | vldmr | I do all upgrade procedures |
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| 02:11.56 | Renze | vldmr: have you asked in #slackware if there are any known problems with the packages? |
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| 02:29.41 | roadfish | when I use the Control Center to make a Keyboard Shortcut to "Popup Launch Menu", then some keys cause the menu to flicker in and out without really staying. In particular, when I bind the Menu key. However, I can use the Menu key for other operations like "Run Command". |
| 02:30.06 | roadfish | is there a fix to this problem? if not, then is there a way to bring up the KDE Menu from a script? |
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| 02:31.30 | roadfish | if I could bring up the KDE Menu from a script, then maybe I could create a Command Shortcut to safely trigger the KDE Menu without that damned flickering. |
| 02:32.50 | Renze | roadfish: never seen this "flickering" you refer to |
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| 02:34.14 | roadfish | Renze: Does your keyboard have a Menu key? If so, have you ever bound it to the KDE Menu? |
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| 02:34.49 | Renze | roadfish: I have Win+Menu bound to the KDE menu... Menu alone brings up the context menu for the currently focussed widget |
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| 02:37.12 | roadfish | Renze: ok, I'm getting this flicking with Win+Menu so you don't have my issue(s) ... I'm binding the KDE menu to Win+Pause to get it working right now. |
| 02:37.23 | Renze | roadfish: weird |
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| 02:37.38 | roadfish | anyway, you know how to bring up the KDE menu it a script? |
| 02:37.46 | roadfish | or from the command line? |
| 02:38.03 | Renze | roadfish: dcop kicker kicker showKMenu |
| 02:38.19 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: so anywho, what's cool about the new konversation? |
| 02:38.31 | roadfish | Renze: awesome. thanks. |
| 02:38.33 | Shirakawasuna | I've noticed that there's a new tab layout option...that's all I've noticed so far :) |
| 02:38.35 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: define "new" |
| 02:38.55 | Shirakawasuna | version 1.x versus 0.17 (or whatever the beta was) |
| 02:38.56 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: most of the changes would be under the hood, so to speak ;) |
| 02:38.57 | Jucato | Tab placement |
| 02:39.04 | Jucato | top, bottom, and now, left |
| 02:39.08 | Shirakawasuna | indeed |
| 02:39.23 | Renze | roadfish: no problem |
| 02:39.25 | Shirakawasuna | so the under the hood changes result in...stability/security/speed improvements? |
| 02:39.34 | Jucato | Shirakawasuna: lots and lots |
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| 02:40.40 | benan | Hi |
| 02:40.44 | ChrisBradley | hello |
| 02:41.06 | Renze | Shirakawasuna: they go around, and around, and around, and around, ad infinitum, ad nauseum |
| 02:41.16 | ChrisBradley | benan is a fedora user having some difficulties with the multiple desktop feature of the pager in KDE Desktop environment. |
| 02:41.24 | Shirakawasuna | Renze: no, they seem to be randomly various places :/ |
| 02:41.30 | ChrisBradley | We have tried loading kdm as root |
| 02:41.36 | Shirakawasuna | although not completely randomly |
| 02:42.57 | Renze | ChrisBradley: is KDE on Fedora compiled with xinerama support? |
| 02:43.33 | ChrisBradley | I don't know much about the details of Fedora internally - I am a writer - just assisting because I have met KDE before. |
| 02:44.01 | Renze | well, neither do I, not being a Fedora user |
| 02:44.03 | ChrisBradley | The issue is that the Desktop is not allowing him to use Multiple Desktops |
| 02:44.08 | Renze | but it is info that is required |
| 02:44.22 | ChrisBradley | It is allowing him to use One desktop. |
| 02:44.34 | Renze | are we talking multiple monitors, or virtual desktops? |
| 02:44.38 | benan | What info you need? |
| 02:44.40 | benan | Virtual.. |
| 02:45.04 | Renze | sounds like a build error to me |
| 02:45.12 | benan | Does doesnt it :P |
| 02:45.13 | ChrisBradley | Its just the pager - he's upgrading from Gnome to KDE. |
| 02:45.18 | Renze | I have three virtual desktops here |
| 02:45.43 | benan | when ever i configure the pager, i add 3 more desktops and apply then click okay nothing happens but when i go to configure again its back too 1 |
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| 02:46.16 | Renze | benan: I've never seen that behaviour |
| 02:46.30 | benan | all the bad stuff happens too me >_> |
| 02:46.34 | Renze | fedora's KDE packages have always been kinda substandard |
| 02:46.44 | benan | get fedora working after a month.. get the stuff working after a day.. now this? |
| 02:46.52 | benan | *cries* |
| 02:47.37 | ChrisBradley | benan -when you turn your computer on - does it give you a splash screen where you can put your name? |
| 02:47.51 | ChrisBradley | and your password |
| 02:48.01 | benan | D'you mean the log in prompt? yes.. |
| 02:48.06 | Renze | a month to get fedora working?!? |
| 02:48.13 | benan | yeah stupid video card problems |
| 02:48.20 | Renze | still... |
| 02:48.21 | ChrisBradley | And it has the DNA on the right side correct? |
| 02:48.24 | benan | and people tell me to do this and that but it all came down too a simple xorg.conf word.. |
| 02:48.35 | benan | whats DNA? |
| 02:48.37 | benan | OH |
| 02:48.38 | benan | yeah |
| 02:48.42 | ChrisBradley | ok |
| 02:48.43 | benan | that 3D thing |
| 02:48.46 | ChrisBradley | yeah |
| 02:49.03 | ChrisBradley | Do you know at the bottom of the screen where it says sessions? |
| 02:49.18 | benan | Nope lol |
| 02:49.29 | benan | oh wait |
| 02:49.30 | benan | yeah i do |
| 02:49.33 | ChrisBradley | At the bottom of your screen - next time you reboot |
| 02:49.38 | ChrisBradley | It says sessions |
| 02:49.40 | benan | yeah |
| 02:49.48 | benan | i know what your talking about now |
| 02:49.48 | ChrisBradley | if you click on that |
| 02:49.58 | ChrisBradley | It lets you CHOOSE between KDE and GNOME |
| 02:50.12 | benan | Oh right.. I used switchdesk too change from Gnome too KDE |
| 02:50.16 | ChrisBradley | then you can set your DEFAULT session |
| 02:50.54 | ChrisBradley | You do that before you put your password in |
| 02:51.04 | ChrisBradley | Then you click Enter |
| 02:51.25 | ChrisBradley | And Bam - You have KDE in front of you - and if I'm guessing - It should all work |
| 02:51.46 | Renze | he's gone, dude ;) |
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| 02:52.09 | ChrisBradley | Trial by fire I guess. |
| 02:52.58 | ChrisBradley | You know when I got linux I didn't figure the session thing out for like 3 months.... |
| 02:53.04 | ChrisBradley | doh' |
| 02:53.17 | Renze | I was building kernels in the first week |
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| 02:54.02 | ChrisBradley | :) |
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| 02:54.31 | benan | oops sorry |
| 02:54.49 | benan | ChrisBradley, you there |
| 02:55.03 | ChrisBradley | yeah |
| 02:55.18 | benan | my niece pushes power button lol |
| 02:55.28 | ChrisBradley | Does it work? |
| 02:55.28 | benan | i did that sessiosn thing and made KDE my default |
| 02:56.42 | benan | ChrisBradley, ohh.. i have desktop effects enabled.. without it enabled i have multi desktops |
| 02:56.48 | ChrisBradley | Oh |
| 02:57.00 | benan | Lol |
| 02:57.19 | benan | How can I set up 3D desktop ? so my desktops are like a cube |
| 02:57.36 | ChrisBradley | I haven't figured that out myself |
| 02:57.40 | benan | ah |
| 02:57.55 | ChrisBradley | My work lately is with bots |
| 02:58.02 | benan | What type? |
| 02:58.03 | benan | botnets? |
| 02:58.07 | ChrisBradley | no |
| 02:58.10 | ChrisBradley | Chatterbots |
| 02:58.15 | benan | oh hehe |
| 02:58.19 | benan | what lang? |
| 02:58.23 | ChrisBradley | english |
| 02:58.32 | benan | Programming lang i meant.. |
| 02:58.41 | ChrisBradley | but I suppose they could be made to speak spanish or something else |
| 02:58.56 | ChrisBradley | oh - I don't program them |
| 02:59.02 | ChrisBradley | I just train and compile them |
| 02:59.24 | ChrisBradley | I'm building a little army of bots...LOL |
| 02:59.34 | benan | too rule IRC channels ;> |
| 02:59.55 | ChrisBradley | Actually to fill up my empty ircd network... :( |
| 03:00.10 | benan | LOL CHRIS! |
| 03:00.25 | benan | I accidentally found out how to make my desktops a cube.. |
| 03:00.33 | benan | enable desktop effects |
| 03:00.44 | benan | and drag a window too the side of the screen |
| 03:01.15 | ChrisBradley | hmmm.... |
| 03:01.27 | benan | that is soo cool ;D |
| 03:01.32 | ChrisBradley | You must have a good video card |
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| 03:01.51 | benan | yeah.. its okay |
| 03:02.38 | ChrisBradley | I've got a crap s3 unichrome |
| 03:03.16 | somekool | what would explain the fact the Firefox has uglier fonts under KDE than under E17? I don't understand how the window manager can influence firefox fonts. but its a fact. |
| 03:03.40 | Renze | somekool: they look exactly the same to me |
| 03:04.03 | Shirakawasuna | somekool: you have failed in some respect a linux. Feel ashamed of your pseudo-geekiness |
| 03:04.13 | Shirakawasuna | *of linux |
| 03:05.27 | Jucato | O.o |
| 03:05.32 | benan | ChrisBradley, i had a via s3g unichrome pro 64 mb until last month |
| 03:06.25 | ChrisBradley | I think that's what I've got... |
| 03:06.53 | ChrisBradley | but that's not the main problem |
| 03:07.08 | ChrisBradley | There's a lot of stuff that won't compile on x64 |
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| 03:08.07 | ChrisBradley | brb |
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| 03:09.55 | qupada | in my experience, there's almost nothing that won't compile on amd64 |
| 03:10.34 | Renze | qupada: what about ia64? |
| 03:11.07 | shadok__ | [04:07:20] <ChrisBradley> There's a lot of stuff that won't compile on x64 << except mplayer due to win32codecs (if you need it) and OO, i don't know of any other software that can't |
| 03:11.08 | qupada | heh, let's not go there... the itanic should be left to rest in peace |
| 03:11.31 | qupada | shadok__: mplayer still compiles, win32codecs is a linking issue, not a compiling one |
| 03:11.37 | Renze | qupada: what about the core2duo? |
| 03:11.45 | shadok__ | i have an amd64 system from more than one year without problems |
| 03:11.57 | qupada | Renze: what about it? |
| 03:12.10 | qupada | besides which, all but a few things play with a real 64 bit mplayer build anyway |
| 03:12.10 | Renze | qupada: isn't that ia64? |
| 03:12.26 | shadok__ | qupada: ok, i'm not very informed concerning details but that was what i meant :p |
| 03:12.47 | qupada | Renze: no, it's x86 or amd64, i forget |
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| 03:15.37 | shadok | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/arstechnica/BAaf/~3/54801996/20061127-8298.html \o/ |
| 03:15.57 | shadok | one good move in an ocean of bad ones :p |
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| 03:16.16 | qupada | speaking of feeds, i'm hungry, brb |
| 03:16.33 | Renze | qupada: it is "pentium-m" or "prescott" or "nocona" according to the gentoo wiki |
| 03:17.08 | qupada | Renze: so like i said, x86 or amd64 (em64t, whatever the hell they want to call it, i don't care) |
| 03:17.19 | Odd_Bloke | Core Duo's x86, Core2 Duos are amd64. |
| 03:17.35 | Renze | even though they're made by intel? ;) |
| 03:17.39 | shadok | yes :) |
| 03:17.43 | Renze | weirdness |
| 03:17.45 | Odd_Bloke | Yup. :D |
| 03:18.32 | Jucato | weirdness... like Renze :) |
| 03:19.28 | qupada | shadok: nice article. notice they're installing on "1,154 desktop machines". wouldn't want anyone to think it was only 1153 |
| 03:19.30 | Jucato | aaaaaargh |
| 03:19.57 | shadok | qupada: hehe fx and OO are developping here, better than nothing |
| 03:20.23 | Q-collective | qupada: just 1154? |
| 03:20.31 | Q-collective | now, if it were 1155... |
| 03:20.40 | Renze | or 1156 |
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| 03:20.47 | shadok | that would make one more ^^ |
| 03:20.51 | shadok | (or two) |
| 03:21.36 | Pupeno | How do I disable kmilo in kcontrol ? |
| 03:21.45 | qupada | i mean accuracy is good, but sometimes it makes for better journalism if you just put "over 1100" |
| 03:21.49 | shadok | because its instinctive, no demonstrations here, there is no need for :p |
| 03:21.51 | Renze | Pupeno: kcontrol -> kde components -> service manager |
| 03:24.17 | Pupeno | is this kmilo configurable ? it seems it hijacked my multimedia keys. |
| 03:24.51 | Renze | Pupeno: no, it is not configurable, and hijacking multimedia keys is what it is for |
| 03:25.04 | Pupeno | does it do anything else ? |
| 03:25.08 | Renze | nope |
| 03:25.27 | stoned | lol |
| 03:25.35 | stoned | hey! its qupada |
| 03:25.40 | Pupeno | good, then I don't need it. |
| 03:26.02 | stoned | hey, how do you say your nickname |
| 03:26.09 | stoned | like pew peno |
| 03:26.15 | stoned | or like, poop ino |
| 03:26.17 | stoned | ? |
| 03:26.23 | Renze | poop in what? |
| 03:26.28 | stoned | huh? |
| 03:26.53 | stoned | oh |
| 03:26.56 | stoned | no |
| 03:27.06 | stoned | I meant his nickname |
| 03:27.14 | Renze | so did I ;) |
| 03:27.18 | stoned | oh |
| 03:27.20 | stoned | haha |
| 03:27.21 | Pupeno | stoned: it's spanish-based, so it'd be something like poopenoh, u like in put, e like in Ben, o like in on. |
| 03:27.29 | shadok | Renze: knowing that you are a gentoo user, have you seen crashes with fx2 and netscape-flash 9.0.21.55 ? |
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| 03:27.35 | stoned | so it does contain poop |
| 03:27.35 | stoned | ! |
| 03:27.58 | Pupeno | stoned: I think it'd be a shorter u. |
| 03:27.58 | Renze | shadok: fx2? flash9 seems stable enough for me on x86 |
| 03:28.09 | shadok | Renze: firefox 2.0 |
| 03:28.19 | stoned | firefox sucks |
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| 03:28.25 | Renze | shadok: I don't have firefox 2 - I rarely if ever use firefox |
| 03:28.30 | stoned | I'm sorry, but after 2 years of constant use |
| 03:28.32 | shadok | i did not have problems with 1.0.8 version |
| 03:28.33 | stoned | I'm sick of it |
| 03:28.36 | shadok | ah ok ^^ |
| 03:28.51 | Renze | I keep it around for testing html/css, but that's about it |
| 03:28.55 | stoned | Renze, what is your browser of choice? |
| 03:29.00 | Renze | konqueror |
| 03:29.05 | shadok | thx for your reply :) |
| 03:29.09 | stoned | pansy ;) |
| 03:29.30 | shadok | i need many extensions and konqueror is not bloated enough for me ^^ |
| 03:29.33 | Renze | stoned: them's fightin' words |
| 03:29.42 | stoned | sissy :) |
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| 03:29.48 | stoned | I should run away now |
| 03:30.30 | Albright | I like Konq too, though it has its headaches. |
| 03:30.44 | Albright | If Firefox were more KDE-friendly, I'd probably use it instead. |
| 03:31.11 | Jucato | Renze: could you do me a favor? could you check if you have a "Rubberband effects" option in KControl -> Style -> Effects tab? |
| 03:31.27 | Renze | Jucato: nope, I don't... that's an unofficial patch that only some distros use |
| 03:31.44 | Jucato | ah really? hm... PhilRod was right |
| 03:31.54 | Renze | you doubted PhilRod? |
| 03:32.09 | Jucato | no, he wasn't sure about it, too. |
| 03:32.20 | Jucato | I'm also waiting for annma to confirm |
| 03:32.27 | stoned | delight, now if you break off the word light, only de remains. The prefix de is used as reversing/lacking/something or other. So really the word delight doesn't mean elation or something with happyness or what have you, it actually means that you're adding weight to it, cuz its being de lighted. lighted would be a good word however. Now relight, thats just plain obvious, you light it again |
| 03:32.32 | stoned | or am I just way too stoned? |
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| 03:32.35 | Renze | I'm 100% sure about it |
| 03:32.53 | Renze | stoned: you're way too stoned, dude |
| 03:32.57 | stoned | lol |
| 03:32.57 | f0g | So, I came in here earlier asking about getting one key to do sound. and ya'all told me to make a script to do it... so I did. |
| 03:33.01 | qupada | stoned: but is 'light' not also the opposite of 'dark'? |
| 03:33.06 | f0g | But now I ran into another problem... |
| 03:33.09 | Jucato | Renze: is this patch put in a package, something like kdeaddons, or is it "hardcoded"? |
| 03:33.27 | stoned | well, either way, De Light would actually be making it darker, so same thing |
| 03:33.41 | Renze | Jucato: it is applied to the source code before compiling, like any other patch |
| 03:33.52 | stoned | relighting is like making it bright again |
| 03:33.58 | f0g | How do I make shortcut keys to it without putting a three different little icons in the menu somewhere that each pass different parameters to it? |
| 03:33.59 | stoned | and lighting is just normal without the re/de |
| 03:34.00 | qupada | stoned: i know the logic still holds, but we're talking 'darker' rather than 'heavier' |
| 03:34.04 | Jucato | ah... so it might be coming from Debian, too? thanks a lot :) |
| 03:34.16 | shadok | Jucato: what is rubberband in this context ? |
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| 03:34.32 | Renze | shadok: the click-and-drag select mechanism |
| 03:34.42 | shadok | thanks :) |
| 03:34.44 | Jucato | what he said :) |
| 03:34.46 | Renze | shadok: also known as "rubberbanding" |
| 03:34.54 | stoned | qupada, I don't understand where you're going with that. I'm talking about the logic, not to which the logic is applied, I think |
| 03:35.13 | qupada | stoned: the one that's always irked me is that 'inflammable' and 'flammable' mean the same damn thing, but 'combustable' and 'incombustable' are opposites |
| 03:35.45 | stoned | I think in == from the inside like heart burn |
| 03:35.47 | stoned | or... |
| 03:35.52 | stoned | maybe spontaneous combustion |
| 03:35.57 | Ardonik | I never use the word "inflammable." If something's fireproof, it's fireproof. |
| 03:36.08 | f0g | Annyone? |
| 03:36.08 | stoned | dude |
| 03:36.10 | stoned | no |
| 03:36.13 | Jucato | eww |
| 03:36.21 | shadok | qupada: in french flammable dont exist, maybe some heritage from here |
| 03:36.37 | stoned | f0g, come again |
| 03:36.41 | stoned | shortcuts withoug doing what now? |
| 03:36.44 | shadok | we use inflammable |
| 03:36.59 | qupada | Renze: i wouldn't, you'll set off an earthquake |
| 03:37.04 | Renze | qupada: too late |
| 03:37.07 | qupada | Renze: and now i live in the same city as you, that is a concern |
| 03:37.20 | Renze | qupada: in a slip-prone area? |
| 03:37.23 | stoned | you should go on a date with Renze |
| 03:37.28 | stoned | hehehe |
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| 03:37.38 | qupada | fortunately not |
| 03:37.54 | Renze | qupada: which suburb/area? |
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| 03:38.10 | Dario | hello friends. |
| 03:38.15 | qupada | Renze: harbour view (lower hutt) |
| 03:38.25 | Renze | qupada: ah, the hutt |
| 03:38.38 | Renze | where Jabba came from |
| 03:38.39 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: I suggest reading the massive changelog on http://konversation.kde.org/ - between 0.17 and 1.0.1, there are several thousand changes summed up in the changelogs |
| 03:38.46 | Dario | I have a problem. I would like to figure out how to fix KDE so that i can use the switch user feature. I can in my laptop, but not on this computer (i upgraded slackware 10.1 to have a newer kde) |
| 03:38.48 | shadok | Renze: you stole my joke |
| 03:38.54 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: Many of which are user-visible |
| 03:38.57 | Renze | shadok: stole? |
| 03:39.00 | qupada | Renze: sure, if you like |
| 03:39.11 | shadok | oops, from "to steal", sorry |
| 03:39.26 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: cool |
| 03:39.28 | shadok | you've stolen my joke :p |
| 03:39.31 | Renze | shadok: I know what it means... just wondering how I possibly could have stolen it from you ;) |
| 03:39.38 | f0g | stoned: Shortcuts. I need them |
| 03:39.45 | shadok | i meant i had the same idea :) |
| 03:39.57 | Renze | shadok: you snooze, you lose ;) |
| 03:40.03 | shadok | but i was looking for a way to say it correctly |
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| 03:40.04 | f0g | stoned: Except I don't want to make four menu icons for each of the different possible parameters |
| 03:40.14 | shadok | Renze: what a charming expression :) |
| 03:40.31 | stoned | f0g, taking shortcuts is never the answer |
| 03:40.36 | stoned | face your problems head on mate |
| 03:40.44 | stoned | savvy? |
| 03:40.57 | Renze | mmmmm... saveloys... |
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| 03:41.08 | shadok | (note for all of you : please correct me when i'm wrong in english speaking, i need to improve my skills :) ) |
| 03:41.20 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: Between 0.17 and 1.0.1, roughly 75% of the application code would have been replaced (but 0.17 is ancient so you probably were on a later version) |
| 03:41.25 | stoned | f0g, sorry man, just kidding, I dunno, ask around you'll find the answer |
| 03:41.27 | Renze | shadok: you trust us? ;) |
| 03:41.34 | shadok | i have to :) |
| 03:41.53 | Renze | shadok: are you familiar with the word "cromulent"? |
| 03:41.54 | dario_ | ok, so... in KDE when i go to switch user, it doesn't show "Start new session" it just shows the session i'm in and that's it. How do i add that start new session? or where can i go for documentation on this issue? any ideas/ |
| 03:41.58 | stoned | when is the next kde version coming out |
| 03:42.00 | Shirakawasuna | Sho_: I was on .19 |
| 03:42.02 | f0g | stoned: I haven't knifed enough 2C-i to deal with that comment man. |
| 03:42.05 | stoned | how much work is left? |
| 03:42.05 | shadok | Renze: hum, smells like a trap :p |
| 03:42.11 | stoned | 2ci |
| 03:42.12 | Renze | shadok: ;) |
| 03:42.12 | stoned | ? |
| 03:42.14 | Sho_ | stoned: Second half of 2007 |
| 03:42.18 | stoned | talk english please |
| 03:42.22 | Sho_ | Shirakawasuna: Well, between 0.19 and 1.0 is still the longest single changelog the app has ever had |
| 03:42.31 | shadok | Renze: Several memes (often neologisms) that started on The Simpsons television series have now become mainstream words or sayings. The most famous of which is Homer's saying: "D'oh!", which is referred to in scripts, as well as several episode names, as "annoyed grunt". |
| 03:42.35 | shadok | thx google :) |
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| 03:42.53 | Renze | shadok: hehehe ;) |
| 03:43.03 | dario_ | hmm :/ |
| 03:43.04 | Renze | it's a perfectly cromulent word |
| 03:43.15 | stoned | cromulent |
| 03:43.15 | Shirakawasuna | so many changes :) |
| 03:43.19 | shadok | i learned another word this night, good night :) |
| 03:43.22 | f0g | Cromulent. |
| 03:43.26 | stoned | dude how did I end up in #grammar |
| 03:43.32 | stoned | I have a word for you |
| 03:43.33 | f0g | Cromulent. |
| 03:43.36 | shadok | (err, i was not meaning i'm going to bed) |
| 03:43.39 | stoned | actually I have two words for you |
| 03:43.42 | stoned | tator |
| 03:43.44 | stoned | tots |
| 03:43.46 | stoned | . |
| 03:43.54 | Renze | mmmmmm... tater tots... |
| 03:44.11 | qupada | what's taters, precious? |
| 03:44.11 | shadok | stoned: being french helps not to spek englis correctly ^^ |
| 03:44.13 | Renze | even though we don't have them in NZ, I know what they are |
| 03:44.24 | stoned | lol |
| 03:44.25 | icwiener_ | Sho_: Still awake? ;) |
| 03:44.35 | stoned | qupada, its like a specially grown potato |
| 03:44.42 | stoned | it is like genetically mutated and shit |
| 03:44.45 | stoned | its delicious |
| 03:44.46 | shadok | Tater Tots, also known as 'tots', are a snack or side-dish made from deep-fried, grated potatoes. |
| 03:44.49 | stoned | full of starch and such |
| 03:44.50 | shadok | tadda |
| 03:44.52 | shadok | ^^ |
| 03:44.56 | shadok | *tadaaa |
| 03:45.03 | Renze | voila! |
| 03:45.07 | shadok | hehe |
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| 03:45.20 | stoned | actually |
| 03:45.46 | Renze | is there any American food that isn't deep fried? ;) |
| 03:45.46 | stoned | tots are little cylinderical shape, grated potatoes squezzed andito a ball |
| 03:45.50 | stoned | and deep friend |
| 03:46.06 | stoned | lol |
| 03:46.08 | stoned | fried* |
| 03:46.12 | stoned | HAHAHA, deep friend |
| 03:46.14 | shadok | Renze: bread for hamburgers :p |
| 03:46.28 | shadok | stoned: lovely |
| 03:46.29 | qupada | yeah, like a less appealing shaped hash brown |
| 03:46.29 | Renze | shadok: just wait... they will find a way to deep fry that too |
| 03:46.38 | dario_ | does kde have some sort of config file that would disallow the creation of new sessions for the "switch user" feature? |
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| 03:46.59 | Renze | dario_: the kiosk framework might allow that |
| 03:47.02 | shadok | Renze: that's sure |
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| 03:48.03 | dario_ | kiosk, eh? hmm |
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| 03:48.35 | stoned | I dude |
| 03:48.39 | stoned | what the hell is a kiosk |
| 03:48.44 | stoned | I hear that shit everywhere |
| 03:48.48 | stoned | WHAT is a bluetooth |
| 03:48.56 | stoned | why is that tooth blue? |
| 03:48.58 | stoned | I don't get it |
| 03:48.59 | stoned | !!! |
| 03:49.00 | stoned | help me |
| 03:49.05 | Renze | stoned: a kiosk is like a stand-alone information booth or something |
| 03:49.23 | stoned | ( i know its short ranged wireless shit) |
| 03:49.45 | Renze | stoned: maybe the guy who named it was chewing on a pen? |
| 03:50.00 | stoned | whoever named it was a tool |
| 03:50.10 | Renze | you named it? |
| 03:50.14 | stoned | is there a way to unlock a cpu's multiplier? |
| 03:50.20 | qupada | that reminds me actually, i was on the interislander (ferry between NZ's north and south islands), they have info kiosks about things to do in the place you're going, they run linux. i know because i was standing looking at it and X spasmed and dropped it to a console for a minute or so |
| 03:50.43 | shadok | the word kiosk didn't exist in english before those "public computers" ? |
| 03:51.10 | stoned | dude, I can make a up a weird noise, say it means this, and hey, you got a word |
| 03:51.11 | Renze | shadok: it did... but it was usually for a small store or something |
| 03:51.18 | qupada | shadok: well it did, you could have a small trailer with a person handing out brochures |
| 03:51.23 | Renze | stoned: fhtagn! |
| 03:51.23 | stoned | it seems that most asian languages are |
| 03:51.28 | shadok | stoned: some, yes, duron and old athlon can be tricked with only a graphite pen |
| 03:51.32 | stoned | alright here is my beef with asian languages |
| 03:51.38 | stoned | but let me tell you why |
| 03:52.00 | stoned | they didn't even take the time to come up with a language that has proper/full sounding syllabals!!! |
| 03:52.13 | stoned | its like dude, its not even a language, its just a buncha weird fast noises |
| 03:52.14 | Renze | syllables? |
| 03:52.17 | stoned | I mean |
| 03:52.19 | stoned | yes that |
| 03:52.33 | stoned | its like dropping change into a silver plate |
| 03:52.36 | shadok | Renze: qupada's translation is the french one, yours is strange :) |
| 03:52.39 | stoned | or silverware on the floor |
| 03:52.41 | stoned | pick one |
| 03:52.46 | Renze | shadok: I don't speak french |
| 03:52.54 | stoned | I mean no disrespect, but damn dude, that confuses the heck outta me |
| 03:53.00 | shadok | Renze: i guessed :) |
| 03:53.05 | Renze | shadok: merde! |
| 03:53.14 | shadok | quel gros mot OO |
| 03:53.25 | shadok | (what a "bad word") |
| 03:53.37 | stoned | and half the time |
| 03:53.49 | stoned | english speaking sound like they have no idea what english is |
| 03:53.52 | stoned | mostly ebonics |
| 03:53.59 | stoned | then you have the hardcore country farmer accent |
| 03:54.03 | Renze | stoned: fo' shizzle, mah nizzle! |
| 03:54.19 | stoned | then you have the thick irish/scottish/english/australian accents |
| 03:54.26 | Sho_ | icwiener_: Actually I wanted to go to bed now, unless you have something ...? |
| 03:54.27 | Renze | strewth! |
| 03:54.28 | stoned | I mean the normal ones are okay |
| 03:54.40 | qupada | stoned: heh, in your best southern american farmer accent you say "my family tree's a circle" |
| 03:54.41 | stoned | but I guess people are so lazy, they don't even say the rest of the word, they half of it, round it off |
| 03:54.55 | stoned | qupada, dude, thats wrong! |
| 03:54.56 | stoned | lol |
| 03:55.17 | hagabaka | time travel? |
| 03:55.18 | Renze | "I'm my own grampa!" |
| 03:55.26 | stoned | one time I was talking to this british guy |
| 03:55.32 | StarScream | Renze: kinda like futurama |
| 03:55.38 | icwiener_ | Sho_: No, was just wondering. :) |
| 03:55.41 | stoned | says, I need me some wo-a |
| 03:55.43 | icwiener_ | Sho_: Good night. :) |
| 03:55.44 | stoned | I'm like WHAT? |
| 03:55.47 | stoned | wo-a |
| 03:55.49 | Sho_ | icwiener_: ah, ok ... good night then ;) |
| 03:55.51 | Renze | water |
| 03:55.52 | stoned | I'm like WHAT!!? |
| 03:55.58 | stoned | yeh |
| 03:56.03 | Jucato | sleep well Sho_! |
| 03:56.03 | hagabaka | ... |
| 03:56.04 | stoned | then it took me a minute to figure out |
| 03:56.16 | Jucato | (I'll be sending you the revised guide in a few minutes :P) |
| 03:56.27 | stoned | thats what I'm talking about, people don't even take the time to properly pronoune words |
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| 03:56.32 | stoned | or whats the word annunciate it |
| 03:56.36 | hagabaka | hmm |
| 03:56.37 | stoned | I can't spell, back off |
| 03:56.40 | Renze | enunciate |
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| 03:56.59 | qupada | people from the south of this country roll their r's. 'dirty' becomes 'durrdy' |
| 03:57.09 | stoned | I mean english aint my first lingo |
| 03:57.14 | stoned | so whatever |
| 03:57.16 | Renze | it isn't my first either |
| 03:57.22 | Renze | but I forgot my first |
| 03:57.33 | StarScream | stoned: what is your native tongue |
| 03:57.38 | qupada | we have a test for these people, they have to say "i'm a dirty girl working in a purple curtain factory". noone every got past 'purple' before letting an R slip |
| 03:57.41 | Renze | I only spoke Dutch for the first four years of my life |
| 03:57.55 | stoned | StarScream, ooooh, aaaahh, yeah baby, ohh yeah, just like that, un huh, oh yeah, ummmmm |
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| 03:58.08 | StarScream | stoned: ? |
| 03:58.15 | stoned | StarScream, then after that I speak urdu, hindi, english, punjabi, arabic |
| 03:58.16 | Renze | that's his native tongue |
| 03:58.23 | StarScream | ah |
| 03:58.24 | shadok | stop speaking of accents or i threaten you with a recording of me speaking english :p |
| 03:58.39 | hagabaka | why's that threatening? |
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| 03:58.48 | delight | stoned: nice u took your time for that ;) |
| 03:59.21 | shadok | hagabaka: because i'm not a native english speaker :) |
| 03:59.31 | Renze | shadok: neither am I ;) |
| 03:59.33 | stoned | I also speak gujrati, sanskrit, sindhi, balochi, pashtu |
| 03:59.38 | StarScream | i'm not a native english speaker either...i'm Australian :P |
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| 03:59.45 | stoned | a little bit of farsi |
| 03:59.54 | stoned | I don't speak any south indian languages though |
| 03:59.54 | hagabaka | me neither, i'm Chinese |
| 03:59.57 | stoned | never cared to learn em |
| 04:00.00 | Rug | Is the default menu-style in OpenSuse (KDE 3.5.2) the standard 'KDE' menu setup? |
| 04:00.07 | shadok | stoned: woo ! are you a language student or something like that ? |
| 04:00.12 | shadok | Renze: rhaa :p |
| 04:00.28 | Renze | shadok: only for the last 33 years |
| 04:00.41 | StarScream | Rug: prolly not....screen shot ? |
| 04:00.44 | stoned | shadok, parents. filthy rich. had many governesses from all over india/pakistan/arabia |
| 04:00.46 | stoned | etc. |
| 04:00.54 | stoned | taught me all sorts of local languages |
| 04:01.03 | shadok | Renze: that is cheating :D |
| 04:01.14 | Renze | shadok: how is that cheating? |
| 04:01.21 | Rug | StarScream: no sorry, just installing it, so not everything is running right |
| 04:01.28 | stoned | plus, the people are other provinces speak their own languages |
| 04:01.30 | stoned | and mingle |
| 04:01.31 | shadok | Renze: i'm only 23 :) |
| 04:01.40 | StarScream | Rug: k |
| 04:01.40 | stoned | so to mingle well, you need to be able to speak their languages |
| 04:01.53 | stoned | combine india/pakistan, you have the indian sub continent |
| 04:01.59 | stoned | many languages there |
| 04:02.03 | stoned | and some really really old ones |
| 04:02.07 | stoned | like thousands of years old |
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| 04:02.15 | stoned | namely sanskrit, punujabi, siayeki |
| 04:02.30 | shadok | stoned: i would liked to learn some other language but don't have the time to do so, that must be very interessant |
| 04:02.59 | Rug | At first glance, I really like it. Quite cool, but after trying to use it I have come to the conclusion that I hate it. =) |
| 04:03.00 | stoned | du hast |
| 04:03.06 | stoned | du hast mesh |
| 04:03.18 | shadok | StarScream: i studied it but lost practically everything |
| 04:03.18 | Renze | ich habe ein sauerbraten |
| 04:03.35 | shadok | Wo willst mit mir sprechen ? |
| 04:03.53 | StarScream | ich werde |
| 04:04.10 | shadok | Danke shön :) |
| 04:04.15 | Renze | bitte sehr |
| 04:04.22 | StarScream | bitte shön |
| 04:05.01 | shadok | Renze: bitte sehr comes after bitte shön "if i remember good" (please correct that seems strange to me) |
| 04:05.25 | Renze | I only know enough german to fake it ;) |
| 04:05.27 | StarScream | shadok: bitte shön is thanks beautifully |
| 04:05.28 | icwiener_ | As northern germans we say "büdde" instead of "bitte sehr" :D |
| 04:05.47 | StarScream | danke sehr is many thanks |
| 04:05.53 | StarScream | or thanks very much |
| 04:06.13 | shadok | yes but isn't bitte sehr a reply to bitte shön ? |
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| 04:06.29 | icwiener_ | No. |
| 04:06.31 | StarScream | shadok: not from what i've experienced |
| 04:06.34 | shadok | oops |
| 04:06.59 | icwiener_ | A reply to "bitte schön" could be "danke" or either way... |
| 04:07.50 | shadok | ah ok, thx, i quit german learning 6 years ago, that is an excuse :p |
| 04:07.59 | icwiener_ | "bitte sehr" is pretty much the same as "bitte schön". |
| 04:08.19 | shadok | ok |
| 04:08.35 | StarScream | i love the German language. wish i lived in Germany so i could get better at it. |
| 04:09.13 | icwiener_ | StarScream: Where do you live? |
| 04:09.33 | Renze | icwiener_: wie gehts? |
| 04:09.38 | shadok | i loved the student exchange :) |
| 04:09.40 | StarScream | icwiener_: australia. I lived in the UK for a few years though which is how i got to germany |
| 04:09.57 | icwiener_ | Renze: gut, nur ein bisschen müde ;) |
| 04:10.40 | shadok | good, just a bit *something* ^^ |
| 04:10.50 | Renze | a little tired, eh? |
| 04:10.54 | icwiener_ | *tired* ;) |
| 04:11.00 | icwiener_ | right :) |
| 04:11.04 | shadok | rhha: p |
| 04:11.15 | shadok | Renze: shame on me :) |
| 04:11.17 | StarScream | icwiener_: sehr mude ? |
| 04:11.31 | Renze | shadok: no shame... I had to use Google translate ;) |
| 04:11.45 | icwiener_ | StarScream: Ich? :D |
| 04:11.46 | shadok | erf |
| 04:11.57 | StarScream | icwiener_: its ok...n/m i remembered wrong :) |
| 04:12.05 | icwiener_ | hehe |
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| 04:20.12 | Jucato | am I lagging? or did the room really fell silent? |
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| 04:20.26 | Jucato | s/fell/fall/ |
| 04:25.53 | icwiener_ | I am definitely lagging, my network doesn't. ;) |
| 04:26.19 | Jucato | :) |
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| 04:26.50 | icwiener_ | But otherwise I am two persons at a time. |
| 04:26.53 | icwiener_ | This one. |
| 04:27.05 | compkde | And this one. |
| 04:27.07 | compkde | ;) |
| 04:27.09 | tx22 | hi guys, I love Kopete... Is there any way I can use it in windows? |
| 04:27.54 | Jucato | lol |
| 04:27.55 | compkde | Here it is in windows. |
| 04:28.04 | compkde | One main window, one chat window. |
| 04:28.09 | tx22 | sorry? |
| 04:28.12 | shadok | i guess not but amsn can be an alternative, anyway using windows is the real problem ^^ |
| 04:28.14 | Jucato | compkde: heh :) |
| 04:28.39 | tx22 | there is wine for linux, an cgywin, why not a linux emulator to run linux apps? |
| 04:29.04 | compkde | tx22: The kdelibs are being ported to windows currently... but unter development. |
| 04:29.26 | tx22 | wow, so we'll see kopete on windows?.. How long does it take to port? |
| 04:29.26 | shadok | s/unter/under (another german :p) |
| 04:29.38 | compkde | shadok: oops. ;) |
| 04:29.42 | shadok | hehe |
| 04:30.25 | compkde | tx22: My guess is, that first usable development versions will be there around Mar 2007 |
| 04:30.36 | tx22 | wow that is a long time |
| 04:31.00 | compkde | More help would shorten that time. :) |
| 04:31.03 | tx22 | why does it take so long?. isn't it a simple case of running the code through another program and export it to c? |
| 04:31.47 | compkde | No, it's a bit more complicated. |
| 04:32.01 | tx22 | and do any KDE devs get paid to work on these apps?.. because gaim's development cycle has really slowed down, yet I see kopete flying away with loads of features |
| 04:32.53 | compkde | Those specific questions can be better answerded in #kopete since this is more a user channel :) |
| 04:33.22 | compkde | I do not know who is paid for working on KDE. |
| 04:33.45 | tx22 | there should be a donate box so people get paid for KDE apps |
| 04:34.01 | tx22 | it would fuel development |
| 04:34.31 | compkde | But whom do you wanna pay? |
| 04:34.50 | compkde | There are hundreds and thousands of peoble working on KDE. |
| 04:35.15 | tx22 | KDE, they can distribute the cash with counties, paying any developer for every bugfix/implementation |
| 04:35.22 | tx22 | bounties* |
| 04:36.15 | compkde | 1 cent per commit ;) |
| 04:36.19 | tx22 | then working men could switch their jobs round and work at home full time and earning a living |
| 04:36.51 | tx22 | well, the higher the donation box, the more money one would get for each bug/feature implmentation they cover |
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| 04:37.21 | tx22 | Ubuntu should be doing this and I've posted it on their forums before |
| 04:37.36 | tx22 | there is nothing wrong for getting credit that the work you do |
| 04:37.51 | tx22 | if people are willing to pay for a better product, then so be it |
| 04:37.52 | compkde | I get a whole OS for free. |
| 04:38.04 | Jucato | O.o |
| 04:38.16 | tx22 | everyone will get a whole OS for free, every application.. but if one decides to donate to help development, one should be able to do this |
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| 04:38.39 | Jucato | there already are places for dontations and bounties in Ubuntu, afaik |
| 04:38.50 | Jucato | but this is hardly the place to talk about that :) |
| 04:38.52 | tx22 | Ubuntu has bounties already.. sometimes mark shuttleworth pitches a feature, puts 100$ on it and anyone who does this gets paid. |
| 04:39.00 | compkde | And who controls the money, and who controls the ones who control the money... |
| 04:39.23 | tx22 | I believe it is Jucato, since I like many others would be happy to donate to this project in order to fuel development |
| 04:39.49 | shadok | going to watch a movie, later guys :) |
| 04:39.55 | tx22 | I'd pay £10 right now, and sit back and watch as devs watch to see that the bugs they fix, they get paid for too |
| 04:40.10 | Jucato | oh shucks... |
| 04:40.15 | Jucato | late for lunch brb |
| 04:40.28 | tx22 | another third party company, whom offer open stats |
| 04:40.37 | tx22 | figures etc |
| 04:40.47 | tx22 | pays the devs who fix the bugs / impliment the features |
| 04:41.01 | compkde | There are companies doing that. |
| 04:41.37 | compkde | Suse/Novell, Cannonical, Trolltech, Sun, ... |
| 04:42.28 | tx22 | but they aren't open |
| 04:43.01 | tx22 | I'm going to make a topic on ubuntu forums.. |
| 04:43.02 | compkde | What kind of "open"? |
| 04:43.07 | tx22 | they are all closed aren't they |
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| 04:43.15 | tx22 | no one likes red had anymore |
| 04:43.21 | compkde | What kind of "closed"? |
| 04:43.22 | tx22 | especialy doing business with microsoft |
| 04:43.30 | tx22 | the code is closed |
| 04:43.37 | compkde | No, the code is open. |
| 04:44.11 | compkde | Cannonical has some closed source (launchpad, rosetta, ...) |
| 04:44.13 | tx22 | they aren't so community based |
| 04:44.31 | tx22 | like for ubuntu, i can write a specification for what i want |
| 04:44.42 | tx22 | if i want a feature in fedora, then im buggered |
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| 04:45.14 | compkde | You can write a whish in almost every bugtracker. |
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| 05:01.26 | kdeuser^ | Jucato: hey ! |
| 05:01.36 | kdeuser^ | Renze: hey ! |
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| 05:10.24 | Jucato | kdeuser^: hey |
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| 05:19.50 | erik1397 | any kubuntu users here? |
| 05:23.11 | Jucato | erik1397: if it's a Kubuntu specific question, you'll be better heard in #kubuntu |
| 05:25.45 | erik1397 | nope its not, just curious thats all |
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| 05:26.41 | Jucato | I'm one, if that matters |
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| 05:32.44 | erik1397 | jucato: well, we're one in the same then! |
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| 05:35.43 | khatahn | i've configured kmail to "show a message in a pop-up window" and "use a passive window that does not interrupt other work" when new mail arrives. however, the pop-up window seems to appear in a random place on the screen, which is not that nice. is there a way to make it appear just above the system tray, in the bottom right corner? |
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| 05:45.55 | migue_ | buanas |
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| 05:58.02 | greister_ | How to make the windows from one desktop to other desktop |
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| 05:59.14 | khatahn | greister_: do you mean moving the to other desktop? |
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| 05:59.32 | greister_ | yes,khatahn |
| 05:59.58 | erik1397 | just drak ur window to the respective desktop on bottom right corner |
| 06:00.03 | erik1397 | drag* |
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| 06:03.49 | Chanika | is there any way to get kate or kword to use the scim input method? I need to type chinese characters for homework. I can do it in konversation or konq but not real editors |
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| 06:04.27 | Chanika | I managed to get gvim to do it, but since the homework is in a .doc it'd be nicer if I could use kword |
| 06:06.36 | greister_ | Chanika:I know scim can run under kate or kword correctly. |
| 06:07.05 | Chanika | greister_: ok, that's something... do you have any idea how to make it do so? |
| 06:07.29 | a_thing | Please vote for http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16187 , it's literally been six years and this still hasn't been fixed. |
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| 06:08.57 | Chanika | I don't think "fixed" applies to a wishlist |
| 06:09.41 | a_thing | whatever |
| 06:10.24 | Chanika | it does sound like a nice feature to have though. |
| 06:10.53 | a_thing | seems so obvious to put in to me' |
| 06:10.57 | Chanika | I remember wanting something like that back when I used lots of desktops.. back when I had time for code... |
| 06:11.08 | a_thing | been wondering about it ever since I switched to GNU/Linux |
| 06:11.22 | a_thing | owch |
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| 06:58.22 | edgy | Hi, I have a video dvd that I need to burn. In k3b I can't find a way to make an image of it or copy dvd option, any hint? |
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| 07:12.44 | Xzyx987X | err... regarding the flash drive thing I was asking about earlier... after some testing I discovered thaat when using a fat file system the drive's files are becoming corrupt randomly even if I unmount it properly and turn on synchronous writes. when formatted in ext3 on the other hand it works with no issues. as long as I don't remove it while the light is flashing and turn on synchronous access it never get's corrupt, even when I do |
| 07:12.44 | Xzyx987X | n't unmount properly |
| 07:13.23 | Xzyx987X | but, using ext3 would make the drive rather useless as I pretty much need to access it from windows computers |
| 07:15.54 | Chanika | o.0 |
| 07:15.59 | Chanika | that sucks. |
| 07:16.25 | Chanika | I've only had filesystem corruption when my drive was yanked out in hte middle of a write |
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| 07:17.44 | Xzyx987X | I dunno, maybe it's just the drive... |
| 07:18.04 | Xzyx987X | too bad ms won't support ext, if it did my problems would be solved |
| 07:19.21 | Chanika | I think there might be something hta can be installe din doze |
| 07:19.31 | Chanika | but, yeah, I would suspect the hardware |
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| 07:41.16 | Xzyx987X | ok, wait just damn minute, after testing it in a windows computer the changes I make to the drive aren't corrupting it at all, konqeror is just failing to detect the contents of the drive have changed |
| 07:41.38 | Xzyx987X | it's reverting the driectory listing to what it was the last time the drive was inserted |
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| 07:42.12 | Xzyx987X | which is why I was getting file not found errors after trying to mess with files I moved, hence why I assumed it was corrupting |
| 07:42.51 | Xzyx987X | in fact, when I list the content's of the drive's mount point in bash, it gives me an accurate and up to date listing |
| 07:43.25 | Xzyx987X | so yea, this is entirely konqeror's fault |
| 07:43.38 | Xzyx987X | now the question is, how do I fix it? |
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| 07:48.27 | Xzyx987X | although, it's still worth noting that while konqeror gives me the option of syncronous writes on the drive enabling it has no effect, and I still have to use the "safely remove" funtion to gurentee the write buffers for the drive are flushed |
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| 07:51.21 | Chanika | o.0 |
| 07:51.30 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: that is *weird* |
| 07:53.12 | Xzyx987X | well, the issue must lie somewhere in the handling of the fat file system, because as I said, with ext3 it works with no issues |
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| 07:56.49 | Xzyx987X | I swear, in my experience linux fails hard from a usability standpoint. maybe kubuntu is just a lousy distro, but I've been having annoying issues like this practically non-stop |
| 07:58.39 | Xzyx987X | nearly every thing I do is interfered with by the fact that one tiny little error in configuration can cause things to not work without any obvious explanation... |
| 07:59.19 | StarScream | Xzyx987X: you can get ext3 support in windows |
| 07:59.42 | StarScream | Xzyx987X: there are additional applications which allow you to mount ext3 volumes afaik |
| 08:00.11 | Xzyx987X | of course I can set it up on my own computer, but obviously the point of using a pen drive is to trasfer files to other computers I don't have control of |
| 08:00.53 | StarScream | Xzyx987X: the problem described above sounds like its not unmounting the drive correctly. |
| 08:00.59 | StarScream | when you unmount it |
| 08:01.05 | StarScream | and remove it |
| 08:01.18 | StarScream | does it still display it in /media or whatever kubuntu uses? |
| 08:01.25 | Xzyx987X | no |
| 08:01.41 | Xzyx987X | well, on a few occasion, the folder has randomly stuck |
| 08:01.47 | Xzyx987X | but it's not consistant |
| 08:01.53 | Xzyx987X | usually it goes away |
| 08:01.57 | StarScream | Xzyx987X: and this drive is 100% working on a windows machine ? |
| 08:02.01 | Xzyx987X | yup |
| 08:02.15 | Xzyx987X | it's 100% working when using ext3 too... |
| 08:03.09 | StarScream | erm does dmesg give you any errors ? |
| 08:03.20 | Xzyx987X | how would I check? |
| 08:03.31 | StarScream | typing dmesg in a terminal |
| 08:04.30 | Xzyx987X | there are a lot of errors in there, I can past the whole thing to pastie if you want |
| 08:04.35 | StarScream | i'm just trying stuff out. I haven't ever run into an issue like this so i'm not sure what could be wrong |
| 08:05.03 | StarScream | not sure its a kernel issue as lots of people would run into it. |
| 08:06.05 | StarScream | Xzyx987X: just pastebin it www.pastebin.com |
| 08:06.07 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: sounds really strange to me, I've nevr had an issue with konq and usb drives - and I'm using dapper |
| 08:06.08 | Xzyx987X | here's the whole thing: http://pastie.caboo.se/24638 |
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| 08:07.24 | jamesbrink | is it possible to run kde ontop of dr17 |
| 08:07.30 | StarScream | Xzyx987X: hmm maybe windows with fat and linux with ext3 are just being clever but that disk looks shagged |
| 08:07.31 | Xzyx987X | the device in question is on sdb |
| 08:08.03 | StarScream | FAT: Directory bread(block 499) failed |
| 08:08.04 | StarScream | [17268862.380000] 46:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device |
| 08:08.18 | StarScream | dead device is a pretty good clue :) |
| 08:08.25 | Xzyx987X | yea, that does seem a bit troubling |
| 08:08.44 | Xzyx987X | but it could just be an error in the way it's being accessed |
| 08:08.58 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: you said something about a folder not refreshing.. are you somehow still having a konq window open showing hte usb contents after removing hte drive? |
| 08:09.13 | StarScream | Xzyx987X: well every time i've had that error it has been a hard disk slowly grinding to a halt |
| 08:09.20 | StarScream | so i doubt it |
| 08:09.23 | Xzyx987X | nope, i close the window and reopen it |
| 08:09.41 | StarScream | Chanika: pretty sure the disk is gone. |
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| 08:09.51 | Xzyx987X | I just bought the thing too... |
| 08:10.03 | Xzyx987X | 2 gb drive for $35 |
| 08:10.05 | StarScream | Xzyx987X: well easest way to test is to DD it to another drive |
| 08:10.11 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: wow. cheap. |
| 08:10.16 | Xzyx987X | no kidding |
| 08:10.18 | StarScream | then try and mount that |
| 08:10.28 | Chanika | does this happen with the same computer and other drives? |
| 08:10.38 | Chanika | or kubuntu on other comps? |
| 08:10.52 | Xzyx987X | this is the first time I've tried a usb drive in linux tbh |
| 08:10.56 | StarScream | if you can't recover from that then it probably means its gone |
| 08:11.12 | Xzyx987X | what do you mean DD it? |
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| 08:12.02 | StarScream | Xzyx987X: dd is a command. Don't worry about it. I am pretty sure you just have areas on the disk. |
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| 08:12.16 | StarScream | bad* areas on the disk |
| 08:13.16 | StarScream | gotta run sorry |
| 08:13.24 | Xzyx987X | so... I should run: dd /dev/sdb |
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| 08:17.58 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: dd copies stuff at a low level. |
| 08:18.22 | Xzyx987X | yea, I was confused exactly how that would help... |
| 08:18.48 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: I'm not 100% sure, probably as a test to see if the drive could be read properly |
| 08:19.04 | Chanika | hmm. |
| 08:19.47 | Chanika | I'm trying to automate downloading some stuff, but a simple wget won't work because I need konqueror's cookies or something to get access to the site. any thoughts? |
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| 08:21.27 | Chanika | hmm... --load-cookies maybe... |
| 08:21.41 | nuku | Chanika: you can provide wget with cookies/referer/ua string |
| 08:21.52 | nuku | for example |
| 08:23.08 | Xzyx987X | sigh, I have no clue, the drive passes a scandisk under windows on my laptop, and as far as I can tell operates perfectly |
| 08:23.20 | Xzyx987X | I really don't think it's the drive's fault |
| 08:23.56 | Chanika | anyone know where konq's cookies are? I'm hunting for them now... |
| 08:24.13 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: try the drive on another linux comp? |
| 08:24.24 | Xzyx987X | don't have one |
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| 08:24.42 | Xzyx987X | I migh tbe able to dig up another drive to try on this comp though... |
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| 08:27.51 | Chanika | nuku: do you know where kde stores its cookies? |
| 08:27.57 | Chanika | I'm having trouble finding them |
| 08:28.18 | Chanika | and the websites involved have been spewing lots of cookies I don't know which I might need |
| 08:28.51 | PhilRod | kde cookies are in ~/.kde/share/apps/kcookiejar I think |
| 08:30.05 | PhilRod | yup, that's it |
| 08:30.08 | Chanika | oh. hiding in plain sight of course :) |
| 08:30.31 | Xzyx987X | btw, this is just annoying, but when I insert a usb drive it's icon on the desktop won't appear until I mouse over it or move a window over it or manually refresh the desktop |
| 08:30.41 | Xzyx987X | anyone know why that's happening? |
| 08:30.56 | Chanika | nope. I don't use desktop icons. |
| 08:31.00 | Chanika | report a bug :) |
| 08:31.20 | Chanika | sounds like you have refresh-y issues in general.. |
| 08:31.38 | Xzyx987X | I need to restart once though, just to make sure it's not a fluke |
| 08:31.51 | Xzyx987X | first I gotta test this second usb drive though... |
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| 08:35.11 | Xzyx987X | yup, I'm getting the exact same problems with an entirely seporate usb drive |
| 08:35.34 | Xzyx987X | this one has been tested and definately works fine |
| 08:35.35 | firepol | hi, how can i install flash in konqueror? or how can i configure it to use the flash plugin already installed in firefox? |
| 08:35.53 | firepol | (i use gentoo linux) |
| 08:36.04 | thiago | firepol: to install Flash in Konqueror, you configure it to use the same flash plugin that you installed for Firefox |
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| 08:36.29 | firepol | thiago, how can i do that? what are the config files to edit? |
| 08:36.35 | thiago | none |
| 08:36.43 | thiago | Settings, Configure Konqueror, Plugins |
| 08:36.48 | Xzyx987X | I'm even getting the same type of errors from dmesg... |
| 08:36.53 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: ok, so your comp has issues. |
| 08:37.05 | Xzyx987X | so it would seem... |
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| 08:37.26 | Xzyx987X | but when it was running windows it had no such issues |
| 08:37.37 | Xzyx987X | so I say, it's linux that has issues :P |
| 08:37.47 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: so maybe something funny happened installing kubuntu |
| 08:38.03 | Chanika | 'cause my kubuntu doesn't do any of that |
| 08:38.19 | firepol | thiago: i already checked the settings, thats why im here... there is no "Plugins" setting in my konqueror. im using gentoo linux, kde 3.5.5 |
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| 08:38.24 | PhilRod | firepol: I expect the gentoo wiki would have some instructions about which directory |
| 08:38.32 | PhilRod | oh, *that* again |
| 08:38.35 | Xzyx987X | I dunno, but something is definatelly screwed up here |
| 08:38.44 | fibonacci | Could anyone tell me why I might have problems with my kicker? |
| 08:38.50 | PhilRod | firepol: haven't heard this for a while, I thought the gentoo guys had fixed it |
| 08:38.53 | Chanika | firepol: I use gentoo on my other comp. it is in hte konqueror config. |
| 08:38.53 | thiago | firepol: make sure you installed nspluginviewer |
| 08:39.00 | PhilRod | fibonacci: only if you describe the problem |
| 08:39.01 | thiago | firepol: and nsplugins, etc. |
| 08:39.13 | firepol | thiago, i will emerge that now |
| 08:39.22 | Chanika | firepol: I think I have a slightly older version of kde though |
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| 08:40.08 | Xzyx987X | is there anywhere I might be able to go where people could help me dig deeper into this issue? |
| 08:40.26 | Xzyx987X | this might by a pretty low level bug I'm experiencing here... |
| 08:40.32 | fibonacci | PhilRod: I can't get the "sliders", that is all the applets I add take up the default amount of space, and I cant move them around. |
| 08:40.57 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: well, you could try #kubuntu, but it's kinda lacking in people |
| 08:41.07 | Xzyx987X | actually, maybe I should try updating to the 2.6 kernel first, I've heard it fixes a lot of various hardware issues... |
| 08:41.21 | Chanika | could be all sorts of weird things |
| 08:41.39 | Chanika | which is why I <3 #gentoo |
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| 08:42.00 | Xzyx987X | so you'd say gentoo is a better distro? |
| 08:42.30 | Xzyx987X | I might just have to try a different distro at this rate |
| 08:42.48 | Xzyx987X | plus, I'm pretty sure gentoo uses the 2.6 kernel by default |
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| 08:43.50 | tcpsyn | is it possible to move a window to another screen in kde without dragging it over xinerama? |
| 08:45.38 | PhilRod | Xzyx987X: are you saying kubuntu uses 2.4 by default? Is that really true? 2.6 was out back when I was still using Linux... |
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| 08:46.14 | Xzyx987X | I thought it did... I was just double checking that... |
| 08:46.43 | thiago | I seriously doubt that it does |
| 08:46.49 | thiago | the only major distro to use 2.4 is Slackware |
| 08:47.02 | Xzyx987X | ok, yea, it does use 2.6 |
| 08:47.10 | Xzyx987X | why is slackware still on 2.4? |
| 08:48.34 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: gentoo is not an easy distro. I'd say it's for people that really want to know how their comp works and have control over it. this leads to #gentoo having a fair number of people who know how to deal with weird issues |
| 08:48.52 | Xzyx987X | ah... |
| 08:49.06 | PhilRod | ...like the fact that kde on gentoo installs without that strange unusual corner-case feature of flash support :-P |
| 08:49.08 | Chanika | I'm pretty sure dapper uses 2.6 |
| 08:49.33 | Xzyx987X | I have no problem with wanting to know how my computer works, I just don't like being forced to learn in order to perform the most besic tasks... |
| 08:50.13 | thiago | then you chose the wrong distro |
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| 08:50.22 | Xzyx987X | I'm using kubuntu... |
| 08:50.48 | PhilRod | blerg, lab time |
| 08:50.51 | Xzyx987X | I thought that was supposed to be a good starter distro... |
| 08:50.54 | Chanika | yah, gentoo's not your sort of distro :) |
| 08:50.55 | thiago | oops, mistook you for the guy that was having problems with Gentoo |
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| 08:51.27 | firepol | thiago, PhilRod, Chanika: thanks thiago, "emerge nsplugins" was enough (no nspluginviewer was neither found neither necessary) |
| 08:51.44 | Xzyx987X | anyway, frankly, I find linux's design to be pretty convoluted to start out with |
| 08:51.45 | thiago | firepol: nsplugins contains nspluginviewer, apparently |
| 08:51.54 | firepol | ok ;) |
| 08:51.59 | fibonacci | I can't get the "sliders", that is all the applets I add take up the default amount of space, and I cant move them around. |
| 08:52.17 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: to people used to unixes, windows seems pretty convoluted :) |
| 08:52.33 | Xzyx987X | it lacks a unified design priciple to pull it together, it seems to be put together from a mess of random components made to function together with a heavy amount of hacking... |
| 08:53.02 | thiago | yeah, and? |
| 08:53.24 | Xzyx987X | and you'll never get a system that "just works" with that approack |
| 08:53.48 | thiago | says who? |
| 08:53.49 | Xzyx987X | says me from experience... |
| 08:53.54 | thiago | how do I know your experience? |
| 08:54.16 | Chanika | imho, you'll nevre get a system that "just works" period, not ifd you want the flexibility of a modern computer |
| 08:54.25 | Xzyx987X | I've used both windows and linux, windows works the first time much more often |
| 08:54.40 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: not in my experience |
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| 08:55.01 | Xzyx987X | I think never is too stong of a word |
| 08:55.01 | thiago | Xzyx987X: do you mean before or after installing all the drivers that Windows needs? And all the programs that you need and it doesn't provide? |
| 08:55.24 | Xzyx987X | driver's and programs are easy to install on windows |
| 08:55.39 | thiago | on Linux too. Installing the ATI binary driver: smart install ati |
| 08:55.48 | Xzyx987X | other than running the installer, they require no external configuration most of the time |
| 08:56.08 | thiago | Xzyx987X: the fact that the installer asks you a question is a configuration |
| 08:56.30 | thiago | I'm not about to say Linux doesn't have hardware issues |
| 08:56.31 | Xzyx987X | one so self apparent it causes no issues |
| 08:56.33 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: having to download an ethernet driver is not what I would call "easy" |
| 08:56.44 | thiago | but in all it has more hardware support out of the box than any other operating system |
| 08:57.06 | Xzyx987X | but really, linux has an install system, it just doesn't handle configuration the way most people use it |
| 08:57.06 | thiago | Xzyx987X: you're generalising |
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| 08:57.33 | thiago | are you an usability expert? |
| 08:57.43 | Chanika | aaaanyways |
| 08:57.55 | thiago | if you're not, I'm going to replace the "most people" in your sentence with "I" |
| 08:57.58 | Xzyx987X | I know what works without causing me unessecary hassle |
| 08:57.59 | fibonacci | I can't get the "sliders", that is all the applets I add take up the default amount of space, and I cant move them around. |
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| 08:58.10 | Xzyx987X | and I'm not saying windows get's it right all the time |
| 08:58.19 | Chanika | the issue here is that your kde isn't refreshing views properly and doing other weird things, right? |
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| 08:58.28 | Xzyx987X | it just tends to work right with less effort in gerenal |
| 08:58.35 | Xzyx987X | among other things, yea |
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| 08:58.56 | Chanika | there must be someone in some channel that would know what sort of problem would cause that |
| 08:59.10 | Chanika | you might want to list the "other things" |
| 08:59.47 | Xzyx987X | there is the icon display issue, which is probably an unrelated bug... |
| 09:00.01 | Chanika | I have a feeling it might be related |
| 09:00.25 | Chanika | but it's 1am and I should be doing homework |
| 09:00.42 | Xzyx987X | there is the fact xorg refused to use hardware acceleration for 2d until something happened and it randomly changed it's mind... |
| 09:00.55 | Chanika | nvidia, ati or intel? |
| 09:00.55 | Xzyx987X | that's almost definately unrelated... |
| 09:01.00 | Xzyx987X | nvidia |
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| 09:01.18 | Chanika | did you install the binary drivers? |
| 09:01.25 | Xzyx987X | yea |
| 09:01.44 | Chanika | hmm I've never used those with kubuntu. |
| 09:02.07 | Chanika | but I am supposed to not be here. >.< |
| 09:02.13 | Xzyx987X | oh, there's the fact that parts of the diskpay randomly don't get updated when using beryl, causing annoying visual artifacts... |
| 09:02.24 | Chanika | o.0 |
| 09:02.27 | Xzyx987X | *display |
| 09:02.33 | Chanika | your comp has issues. |
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| 09:02.42 | Chanika | beryl? |
| 09:02.53 | Xzyx987X | and beryl is competely incompatible with kde's desktop switching |
| 09:03.08 | Chanika | is this a compiz-related thing? |
| 09:03.23 | Chanika | because I know that causes all sorts of random evilness when mixed with kde |
| 09:03.25 | Xzyx987X | sort of, it's a compiz fork I believe |
| 09:03.29 | thiago | beryl is a compiz fork |
| 09:03.42 | Chanika | in that case, I blame the compiz/kde issues. |
| 09:04.01 | Chanika | maybe try gnome or something, see if things go better |
| 09:04.13 | Chanika | or try turning off the beryl stuff |
| 09:04.24 | Xzyx987X | lol, you're the second person in this channel to tel me that today |
| 09:04.55 | Xzyx987X | I almost listened the first time, but I figured it would still be easier to deal with it if I could just get the thumb drive thing sorted out |
| 09:05.12 | Xzyx987X | I did turn off beryl now |
| 09:05.16 | thiago | maybe it's because it's true |
| 09:05.26 | Xzyx987X | way too many issues... |
| 09:05.38 | thiago | if you replace an important KDE component with something else, we can't help you |
| 09:06.23 | Xzyx987X | well, I'm using kde's built in window manager right now |
| 09:06.26 | Xzyx987X | I mean, I haven't used it for a while... |
| 09:06.42 | Xzyx987X | because of the many problems it caused |
| 09:07.09 | thiago | it did? |
| 09:07.34 | Xzyx987X | I mean I haven't used beryl |
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| 09:08.08 | Xzyx987X | sorry if I'm not being clear, it's 3am and I'm a bit strung out right now... |
| 09:08.29 | thiago | why don't you get some sleep and we can cover the rest in the morning? |
| 09:08.38 | thiago | really, get some rest, dude |
| 09:08.53 | Xzyx987X | lol, don't worry about it, I don't have to wake up until 12pm |
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| 09:10.13 | Xzyx987X | oh, I forgot the fact that the only bittorrent client I was able to get decent speed on in linux was utorrent running in wine |
| 09:11.13 | Chanika | weird |
| 09:11.37 | Chanika | ktorrent was awful for me, but some basic default bittorent gtk thing worked nicely |
| 09:12.13 | Chanika | anyways, sleep sounds like a nicew idea. my brain'ds not functioning any more. |
| 09:12.17 | Chanika | g'night |
| 09:13.06 | thiago | ktorrent 2.1 works fine for me |
| 09:13.26 | Xzyx987X | oh, and I had to disable dcop registration for torrent files to keep from getting an error message ever time I opened a torrent file |
| 09:13.58 | Xzyx987X | which would cause every icon on my desktop to disapear if the client was opened by using a torrent file |
| 09:14.01 | Chanika | just one more week of madness. then exams. then I can have a life, again, perhaps. and get that darn oscar filtransfer thing fully finished. |
| 09:14.11 | Xzyx987X | yup, linux is sure a hassle free experience... |
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| 09:15.38 | Chanika | Xzyx987X: tiredness increases the hassle. |
| 09:15.50 | Xzyx987X | sigh that's true... |
| 09:16.11 | Xzyx987X | ok, I guess I'll hassle #gentoo for a solution tommorow |
| 09:17.47 | Xzyx987X | oh, and there was the fact I had to self compile and outdated version of the mplayer plugin to get it to work in opera... |
| 09:18.14 | thiago | don't use opera |
| 09:18.28 | Xzyx987X | opera is a good browser |
| 09:18.37 | thiago | no doubt about that |
| 09:18.48 | thiago | but if you have problems with it, go talk to Opera Software ASA |
| 09:19.03 | Xzyx987X | well, it's a gtk issue afaik |
| 09:19.10 | thiago | I don't think so |
| 09:19.13 | thiago | Opera uses Qt |
| 09:19.28 | Xzyx987X | but the mplayer plugin's gui uses gtk |
| 09:19.32 | Xzyx987X | hence the problem |
| 09:19.38 | thiago | yeah |
| 09:19.48 | thiago | ok, then don't use the mplayer plugin with Opera |
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| 09:20.11 | thiago | they are probably not meant to be used together |
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| 09:20.36 | Xzyx987X | well, I got it to work, but mplayer is the only plugin for linux that supports all the video formats out there |
| 09:20.57 | Xzyx987X | I'm just saying, it was by no means not a hassle to do |
| 09:21.04 | Xzyx987X | but yea, ok, time to sleep... |
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| 09:21.47 | thiago | kmplayer works just fine on Konqueror |
| 09:22.07 | Xzyx987X | ...now you tell me... |
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| 09:26.25 | sparr | where can i find an animated kde logo? |
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| 09:42.49 | lenscape | anyone know how to add docs to KDE Help Center? e.g. Python, PostgreSQL, Postfix and Apache all come with comprehensive HTML docs. I'd like to put them in KDE Help Center - much like SuSE does and Kubuntu doesn't. |
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| 09:59.12 | Jucato | annma: good morning :) |
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| 10:31.45 | annma | hi Jucato |
| 10:32.04 | Jucato | :) |
| 10:32.10 | Jucato | busy day? |
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| 10:33.40 | Jucato | annma: I was just wondering about screenshots. how do you go about getting them? and what's the ideal average size for them? |
| 10:34.00 | annma | i use ksnapshot |
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| 10:34.18 | annma | default kde theme color & style |
| 10:34.31 | annma | dpi 72 |
| 10:34.40 | annma | size not too big |
| 10:34.51 | Jucato | hm.. where do I check my dpi? |
| 10:35.02 | annma | kinfocenter |
| 10:35.27 | annma | in X server |
| 10:35.50 | Jucato | yikes! Resolution 96 x 97 dpi?!? |
| 10:36.26 | annma | mine is 75x75 |
| 10:37.09 | Jucato | hmm... I'll ask in #kubuntu on how to change that... is it a per-user setting? or it affects the whole system? |
| 10:37.39 | annma | http://l10n.kde.org/docs//screenshots.php |
| 10:37.54 | annma | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.08 | annma | it'll only affect your current session |
| 10:38.09 | Jucato | annma: yeah. I saw that. also says to take borderless window screenshots :) |
| 10:38.23 | annma | ;) i skip that |
| 10:38.29 | annma | i like win deco |
| 10:38.38 | Jucato | me too |
| 10:38.45 | Jucato | besides, it looks weird without a windeco |
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| 10:48.05 | solid_liq | gnome sucks |
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| 10:51.00 | holycow | hello all |
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| 10:53.05 | Jucato | annma: do you still convert to 8bpp? |
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| 10:55.56 | annma | hmmm, no, .... |
| 10:57.11 | Jucato | hm.. each screenshot is around 90-100KB... |
| 10:58.45 | Jucato | how about size/resolution? 800x600? (I used a uniform window size) |
| 10:59.02 | annma | you take the whole desktop? |
| 10:59.19 | Jucato | no. the window only. I mean the size of the image is 800x600 :) |
| 10:59.39 | Jucato | I guess I have to reduce it :) |
| 10:59.41 | annma | too big I think |
| 10:59.43 | annma | yes |
| 10:59.57 | Jucato | ok. krita... here I come :) |
| 11:00.11 | annma | 640x480 |
| 11:00.15 | annma | would be good |
| 11:00.55 | Jucato | ok. hope it reduces the file size too :) |
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| 11:01.48 | Jucato | btw, I think PhilRod was right about the Rubberband effects being a 3rd party plugin/patch, at least according to Renze |
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| 11:03.25 | annma | ok |
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| 11:04.08 | benJIman | Jucato: yes they are, several distros patch them, kde can't for compatability reasons I believe,as they require a Qt patch |
| 11:04.23 | Jucato | benJIman: ah thanks for confirming :) |
| 11:06.40 | holycow | does kde4 have any sort of project page? any info or aggregation of discussions or planning? |
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| 11:13.24 | annma | holycow: look on the wiki |
| 11:13.33 | annma | also mailing lists |
| 11:13.43 | annma | and kdelibs TODO |
| 11:14.25 | holycow | thanks |
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| 11:44.16 | mni | hi |
| 11:44.41 | johnny69 | howdyu |
| 11:44.45 | mni | any body intresting in kde translation in to locale? |
| 11:44.47 | johnny69 | errr howdy |
| 11:44.54 | mni | coll |
| 11:53.03 | thiago | mni: which locale? |
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| 12:02.03 | milaks | Hi, At first I've installed Ubuntu Edgy Eft, and after a while, I've installed only KDE (no kubuntu-desktop). In settings I've specified small icons wherever I could, and somehow kmenu menu showed small (16) icons which was very nice. Today I've decided to install whole kubuntu-desktop, but after installation icons in kmenu menu become again those default huge ones (32), and I cannot turn the look back. Can someone please tell me how to make kmenu |
| 12:02.04 | milaks | show small (16) incon in its menu? |
| 12:02.41 | benJIman | milaks: you need to edit the config file, there's no gui option |
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| 12:02.54 | milaks | benJIman: Ok, which one? |
| 12:03.33 | benJIman | can't recall offhand, might be menuentryheight in kickerrc |
| 12:03.37 | benJIman | should be on the faq |
| 12:04.07 | milaks | benJIman: please, what FAQ? |
| 12:04.47 | benJIman | ~faq |
| 12:04.56 | apt | hmm... faq is frequently asked question... try asking me about "RTFM" |
| 12:04.59 | annma | milaks: look at topic |
| 12:05.16 | annma | ~RTFM |
| 12:05.19 | apt | rumour has it, rtfm is Read The F*cking Manual (TM). It is a suggestion to do your homework before posting a question. Sometimes used as RTFM $SPECIFIC_MANUAL to refer to a specific source of information. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM |
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| 12:05.53 | benJIman | ttp://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kicker%20Hacks tells you |
| 12:05.57 | johnny69 | Hell, this wouldn't be a Linux channel if at least ONE person didn't belch out, "RTFM" :) |
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| 12:06.38 | milaks | benJIman: there's no 'menuentryheight' in .kde/share/config/kickerrc I'll try now FAQ |
| 12:06.49 | milaks | annma: there's no need for that, really |
| 12:07.23 | annma | ;) |
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| 12:08.04 | johnny69 | Hopefully, nobody will tell me to rtfm as well...here goes... I'll re-word my question from a few minutes ago. I have a list of rss feeds already setup and running inside Knewsticker. I would like to move that list to a another machine. I am assuming the entire list of feeds are kept in one file? Can someone tell me the name? |
| 12:08.06 | benJIman | milaks: see my link |
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| 12:08.12 | benJIman | milaks: you create it if it's not there |
| 12:09.07 | sparr | johnny69: considered patience and "grep -R addressofonefeed ~/.*" ? |
| 12:09.22 | milaks | benJIman: sorry, what link? (I'm still waiting for FAQ page to load!!?) |
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| 12:11.02 | johnny69 | sparr: Hmmm, first question was written at 5:19 A.m Next time I asked was at 5:59 a.m I'll try to be more patient next time. And thank you for the grep -R idea. I'll try that now. |
| 12:11.14 | annma | FAQ page loads OK here |
| 12:11.17 | benJIman | 12:05:53 < benJIman> ttp://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kicker%20Hacks |
| 12:11.23 | benJIman | milaks: ^ |
| 12:11.33 | benJIman | s/ttp/http/ |
| 12:11.51 | milaks | benJIman: thanks, I'll check that right now |
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| 12:13.03 | genjix | where can I go for Krita help? |
| 12:13.33 | annma | #koffice |
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| 12:14.46 | Enverex | Is there a roadmap for KDE4 yet? |
| 12:15.42 | annma | no |
| 12:16.04 | Enverex | Ah, damn, I thought it was "just over the horizon" must have been thinking about something else |
| 12:16.04 | annma | genjix: #koffice |
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| 12:19.38 | milaks | benJIman: Uf ther's a lot to read and I'm quite franqly I'm not to familiar with this XML syntax. At the bottom of ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc file, there is: |
| 12:19.43 | milaks | [menus] |
| 12:19.43 | milaks | Extensions=prefmenu.desktop,systemmenu.desktop |
| 12:19.44 | milaks | MenuEntryFormat=NameAndDescription |
| 12:19.51 | milaks | Would be sufficient, to add bellow: |
| 12:19.59 | milaks | MenuEntryHeight=16 |
| 12:20.00 | milaks | ? |
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| 12:20.53 | wishie | whenever i record a tv show from DVB source, it records fine, until the filesize reaches 2.0G, then kaffeine seems to quit/crash.. any ideas why this would be happening ? I use gentoo and KDE 3.5.5 |
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| 12:22.14 | milaks | benJIman: ? |
| 12:23.08 | milaks | benJIman: Yes, it is sufficient :) |
| 12:23.15 | milaks | benJIman: Thanks a lot. |
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| 12:24.27 | mni | hello |
| 12:24.44 | mni | any body for kde translation? |
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| 12:25.16 | annma | mni: what is your question? |
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| 12:26.17 | wishie | hmm, it seems that samba doesnt like writing files over 2.0G |
| 12:26.27 | wishie | looks like nfs might be my solution then.. |
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| 12:30.37 | mni | anma:we want to translate kde into hausa langueage so that people around west africa will benefit and us that we live in third world countries.but no body is doing the work, we there want to start the project from today.what is your advice? |
| 12:31.56 | annma | you have to fisrt get the files |
| 12:32.01 | mni | anma:i have mailed to the kde but yet no response |
| 12:32.22 | annma | and you need a project leader who will have svn access |
| 12:32.32 | annma | where did you mail? |
| 12:32.36 | mni | anma:yes we have download the .po files |
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| 12:32.43 | wishie | hmm, when mounting via NFS, it seems to take a long time.. perhaps some connection is timing out ? any idead anyone ? |
| 12:33.07 | annma | mni: good, now you have to translate them using KBabel |
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| 12:33.27 | mni | anma;how can we get the group leader? |
| 12:34.11 | annma | you need to choose one |
| 12:34.37 | annma | your language is not translated yet, is that right? |
| 12:35.14 | mni | yes,in my community they assign me to contact kde. |
| 12:35.23 | annma | ok |
| 12:35.32 | annma | how much did you translate yet? |
| 12:36.25 | mni | we want to contact kde first before we will start the work |
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| 12:37.32 | annma | mni: did you look at that doc http://l10n.kde.org/docs/translation-howto/index.html |
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| 12:38.46 | mni | but we contributed to the translation of drupal cms into our language and we have mailed to them yesterday |
| 12:39.17 | annma | mni: do you understand how to translate in kde? |
| 12:39.28 | mni | yes |
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| 12:39.35 | annma | if so, when you have translated some files you will get svn access |
| 12:39.45 | annma | and then you'll commit your files |
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| 12:40.04 | kdeuser^ | Renze: you there ? |
| 12:40.08 | annma | one of you will commit all the work from the others |
| 12:40.10 | mni | how can i get access to the cvs? |
| 12:40.14 | annma | svn |
| 12:40.21 | annma | you need some files first |
| 12:40.23 | kdeuser^ | annma: hey ! |
| 12:40.36 | kdeuser^ | Jucato: hey ! |
| 12:40.44 | mni | sorry,i mean svn |
| 12:40.48 | Jucato | kdeuser^: hi |
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| 12:41.05 | mni | hi jucato |
| 12:41.17 | Jucato | hi mni |
| 12:41.20 | annma | mni: http://l10n.kde.org/docs/translation-howto/new-language.html |
| 12:41.32 | annma | you have to read carefully all this doc |
| 12:41.38 | wishie | can anyone help me sort out why i have slow mounting NFS shares ? |
| 12:41.38 | annma | especially this page |
| 12:41.40 | mni | anma is helping me through about the translation project |
| 12:41.56 | annma | mni: sysadmin@kde.org will give you svn access |
| 12:42.09 | annma | you will need to send a username and a ssh key |
| 12:42.29 | mni | yes i knew about this site |
| 12:43.02 | annma | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.07 | annma | that is in the doc |
| 12:43.22 | mni | thanks very much |
| 12:43.26 | Jucato | mni: yes, she is the right person to ask :) |
| 12:43.27 | annma | :) |
| 12:43.38 | annma | mni: good luck and welcome in kde |
| 12:44.10 | mni | thanks,if i have problem i will contact you |
| 12:44.20 | annma | :) |
| 12:44.31 | annma | and kde-i18n-doc |
| 12:44.32 | mni | ya i got that jucato |
| 12:44.52 | mni | thanks for your assistace yestaday jucato |
| 12:45.07 | Jucato | no problem. sorry I couldn't be as helpful as annma :) |
| 12:45.32 | Jucato | (except how to abbreviate those 2 words...) |
| 12:45.33 | annma | ;) you cannot know everything |
| 12:45.45 | Jucato | annma: that's why you're special :) |
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| 12:45.52 | mni | mhhhh |
| 12:46.25 | annma | ;) |
| 12:46.32 | mni | yeah annma is special |
| 12:46.42 | annma | i am far from knowing everything |
| 12:46.51 | annma | no, no |
| 12:47.03 | Jucato | hehe :) |
| 12:47.05 | mni | we will invite her one day to our kde user group conference one day |
| 12:47.42 | mni | but you knows alot |
| 12:48.17 | annma | i'd like coming in a new country |
| 12:48.26 | Jucato | yes, she does know a lot :) |
| 12:48.34 | Jucato | and very helpful, too ;) |
| 12:48.37 | annma | lol, stop it |
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| 12:48.58 | mni | nice i am african and also nigerian |
| 12:49.09 | annma | :) |
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| 12:49.19 | annma | you speak english well |
| 12:49.23 | Jucato | sorry annma, just couldn't help but tell the truth :) |
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| 12:49.34 | mni | we have low level of compuer literacy in my country |
| 12:50.14 | annma | but you have other nice things |
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| 12:51.11 | mni | yeah tourims and other things like agricultuer with min. resource |
| 12:52.56 | mni | well you know we speak our languge better than english cos of traditions |
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| 12:54.53 | mni | yeah may be |
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| 12:55.34 | mni | annma help me alot |
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| 13:23.21 | underzsof | VISIT : WWW.UNDERZSOFT.COM THE No1 WAREZ INSTANT DOWNLOADZ SITE THANKS |
| 13:23.33 | ataxic | hehe |
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| 13:23.56 | ataxic | he cant help it, he is from Greece |
| 13:24.04 | ataxic | almost from Turkey :) |
| 13:24.11 | Jucato | he also went in #kubuntu |
| 13:24.29 | Enverex | Of course, because Warez is legal in Greece... |
| 13:25.46 | ataxic | i wasnt saying anything about if something is legal or not |
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| 14:07.13 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 14:07.27 | Ace2016 | how do i rearrange the right click menu in konqueror for video files? |
| 14:08.00 | Ace2016 | i want to move the "Play" and "Queue" thats added by kplayer to the top |
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| 14:26.18 | Ace2016 | is it possible to change konqueror's right click menu? |
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| 14:30.10 | bastiaan | hi all ! |
| 14:31.09 | bastiaan | i got a lil problem, and i guess its kde related, everytime i close or open a window in kde, i got noise from the speaker.. really loud |
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| 14:31.34 | bastiaan | i checked system notifications, and thyre turned off |
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| 14:31.59 | bastiaan | arts (sound system) is off as well |
| 14:32.22 | JoseBravo | http://www.pastebin.us/8964 |
| 14:32.23 | bastiaan | and the system bell is also turned off |
| 14:33.34 | bastiaan | hey all |
| 14:33.36 | bastiaan | i got a lil problem, and i guess its kde related, everytime i close or open a window in kde, i got noise from the speaker.. really loud |
| 14:33.42 | bastiaan | oops |
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| 14:35.20 | JoseBravo | Anoye can help me, I have problems with Beryl and Compiz with KDE. I get Another window manager is already running on screen: 0 |
| 14:35.36 | JoseBravo | And I killed kwin before |
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| 14:43.17 | Ace2016 | Its very quiet in here |
| 14:43.34 | Ace2016 | maybe your distro could help? |
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| 14:45.49 | Sho_ | JoseBravo: You've already been told about the KDEWM environment variable ... |
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| 14:46.21 | JoseBravo | Sho_, in #beryl anoye told me: you need disable animations and transparency |
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| 14:46.26 | JoseBravo | in KDE |
| 14:47.17 | JoseBravo | But I don't kwnow how do that |
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| 14:47.32 | Dario | hello; i just want to tell you guys what i discovered. I couldn't use the "switch user" feature from KDM, and i fixed it by editing /opt/kde/share/config/kdm/kdmrc and adding "consolettys" and "reserveservers" options. |
| 14:48.07 | Dario | for future reference. |
| 14:48.09 | Sho_ | JoseBravo: KControl -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Translucency -> [x] Enable translucency perhaps |
| 14:48.27 | Sho_ | Dario: Thanks |
| 14:48.31 | Jucato | good afternoon Sho_ :) |
| 14:48.41 | allquixotic | hello everyone - I kept this default channel in my config for Konversation. wow, what a nice IRC client! :o |
| 14:48.41 | Sho_ | yo Jucato |
| 14:48.50 | Sho_ | .oO (Yo, 'cato?) |
| 14:49.02 | Sho_ | allquixotic: Glad you like it :) |
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| 14:49.12 | Jucato | hehe :) |
| 14:49.44 | Jucato | Sho_: actually, Jucato is pronounced as something like "dew-cah-toh" :) |
| 14:49.52 | JoseBravo | Sho_, translucency/shadows is disabled. |
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| 14:50.04 | allquixotic | I've been using *nices for quite some time but I always "envisioned" an IRC client that would provide the level of user-friendly automated config that is available in Konversation... tis great... along with KDE 3.5.5 and amaroK :) |
| 14:50.13 | Dario | on another note, my konqueror crashes a lot as a FM.. can i upgrade konqueror without upgrading all my kde packages? |
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| 14:50.22 | Jucato | nice? Konvi isn't nice! |
| 14:50.40 | allquixotic | lol |
| 14:50.42 | Jucato | Konvi is awesome :P |
| 14:50.43 | Sho_ | allquixotic: User-friendlyness is #1 on the agenda of the Konvi team :) |
| 14:50.47 | allquixotic | ok, I stand corrected Jucato |
| 14:50.48 | JoseBravo | Sho_, how I can disable animations? |
| 14:51.24 | Dario | JoseBravo: check your control centre, then window decorations |
| 14:51.46 | Dario | also in style, you go to effects and disable them |
| 14:51.49 | Sho_ | JoseBravo: There's nothing to disable there -- all window animations cease when kwin and kompmgr (the latter is toggled by "Enable translucency") are gone |
| 14:51.54 | allquixotic | has anyone else experienced periodic (once per hour or two, and sometimes when resuming from suspend to RAM) crashes of kicker in KDE 3.5.5 on an x86_64? (Fedora Core 6 off'l release). |
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| 14:52.51 | steveire | Hey, Is there a kde app that I can use to make notes on top of pdf files? Or is there any plan to give kpdf that feature? |
| 14:53.18 | allquixotic | annotations in pdf you mean? O.o |
| 14:53.22 | Sho_ | steveire: KDE4's universal document viewer (the successor to KPDF) will have full annotation support |
| 14:53.25 | steveire | allquixotic: Yes |
| 14:53.35 | steveire | Sho_: Ooh, sounds nice. |
| 14:53.46 | Jucato | Sho_: trying to avoid controversy? which of the 2 are you refering to? :P |
| 14:53.53 | steveire | Is there information somewhere about that for me to read? |
| 14:53.56 | Sho_ | Jucato: Okular ;) |
| 14:54.01 | Jucato | heh |
| 14:54.10 | Sho_ | steveire: http://kpdf.kde.org/okular/ |
| 14:54.20 | steveire | Many thanks |
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| 14:54.26 | Jucato | kool, newpage to bookmark :) |
| 14:54.29 | allquixotic | steveire: I have some experience attempting to understand the full PDF specification as of Acro 6, but so far only non-free Windows programs have been offering any sort of PDF editing capability :( Okular sounds awesome though |
| 14:55.18 | Jucato | ah bah, I already have it... |
| 14:55.19 | Sho_ | steveire: Note that it's still in heavy development, so any screenshots show work in progress |
| 14:55.19 | steveire | While we're on the subject of bookmarks, Is kde4 going to support tags instead of folders for those? |
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| 14:55.51 | Sho_ | steveire: Specific plans are unknown [to me] at this point, but revamping the bookmark system is definitely on the table |
| 14:56.12 | steveire | allquixotic: I got some programs yesterday attempting to make annotations including xournal, which, alpha as it is, ws ther best I found. |
| 14:56.17 | Jucato | hm.. Google doesn't yield a site for Ligature or KViewShell... |
| 14:56.46 | allquixotic | I seem to enjoy Firefox 2.0 themed as KDE for my browser... is Konqueror going to compete for web browser space, using that one handy plugin that loads Mozi plugins (Flash, Citrix, Mplayer, etc) in Konqueror? |
| 14:56.47 | steveire | What was the controversy above? What is the other pdf viewer for kde4? |
| 14:57.02 | Jucato | steveire: hush :) |
| 14:57.09 | Sho_ | steveire: Oh don't open that can of worms ;) |
| 14:57.27 | benJIman | allquixotic: that's nothing new, and konqueror has been a great web browser for years |
| 14:57.43 | Jucato | steveire: Google for "okular ligature" if you're curious :) |
| 14:57.47 | allquixotic | indeed? I tried it but I still prefer Firefox. old habits I guess... |
| 14:57.52 | steveire | I might. |
| 14:58.07 | Sho_ | allquixotic: Konqueror could load Netscape plugins (there are no "Mozilla plugins") since before Firefox even existed, btw |
| 14:58.07 | allquixotic | is Mozilla XUL and extensions supported (or will it be) in Konqueror? |
| 14:58.17 | Jucato | Sho_: is there currently a way to turn off join/part/quit per channel in Konvi? |
| 14:58.18 | Sho_ | allquixotic: No, never |
| 14:58.25 | Sho_ | Jucato: Only globally |
| 14:58.31 | Jucato | ah thanks |
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| 14:59.34 | allquixotic | why do you say there aren't any Mozilla plugins? Netscape, Firefox and Seamonkey/Mozilla Suite are all based on the central Mozilla engine that used to be called just "Mozilla", but they're really all the same plugins on a 32-bit platform, assuming the same binary format for shared objects |
| 15:00.01 | allquixotic | you can use one plugin distributed binary-only in a 32-bit version of Seamonkey, Firefox, or (before as well as now) Konqueror |
| 15:00.03 | Sho_ | allquixotic: Because the plugin format originated at Netscape, and is formally called "Netscape plugins" (even by Mozilla) |
| 15:00.09 | allquixotic | ahh |
| 15:00.24 | allquixotic | I didn't know it started at Netscape |
| 15:00.34 | Jucato | :) |
| 15:00.37 | Sho_ | allquixotic: And Konq had support for those even before the Mozilla project started Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox :) |
| 15:00.49 | Jucato | Mozilla is based on the open sourced Netscape code, afaik |
| 15:00.59 | Sho_ | Jucato: yup |
| 15:01.00 | allquixotic | I did know that part, Jucato |
| 15:01.28 | Sho_ | Actually the story is somewhat more convoluted |
| 15:01.41 | Jucato | yeah... it's the simplified version :) |
| 15:01.45 | Sho_ | Netscape started out trying to create a web browser to unseat the market leader at the time, Mosaic |
| 15:01.57 | Sho_ | Hence they code-named their in-development project "Mozilla" for "Mosaic killer" |
| 15:02.00 | allquixotic | didn't they show a lot of the Netscape story in Revolution OS? |
| 15:02.06 | Sho_ | Which was eventually released as "Netscape Navigator" |
| 15:02.29 | allquixotic | I remember seeing the Netscape story then the Oracle story in Revolution OS... |
| 15:02.32 | Sho_ | Some time later, Netscape decided to open-source the Netscape Communicator 5.0 codebase, using the Mozilla codename as name for the open source project |
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| 15:03.22 | allquixotic | can Konqueror (compiled as x86_64) load those 32-bit Netscape plugins? |
| 15:03.58 | Sho_ | via that nspluginwrapper thingie, yes, afaik |
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| 15:04.31 | Jucato | thingie... :) |
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| 15:04.39 | allquixotic | I couldn't get nspluginwrapper to do so in x86_64 Firefox, so I am currently running FF 2.0 i686 with the 32-bit plugins.. NO FUN installing Mplayer 32-bit because it's the only native 64-bit plugin I have |
| 15:05.20 | Sho_ | I mean, AFAIK the nspluginwrapper thingie does nothing that ties it to Mozilla specifically, anything that can load nsplugins ought to do, and Konq can, hence ... |
| 15:05.32 | Sho_ | oh, website: 'Last update: 2006/11/18 -- version 0.9.90.4 (Konqueror and printing support, misc fixes).' |
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| 15:05.53 | allquixotic | nspluginwrapper has just added Konq support 10 days ago? :D |
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| 15:06.32 | Sho_ | allquixotic: More likely it fixed some kind of bug in nspluginwrapper that prevented something from working correctly in Konq |
| 15:07.22 | wongk | ok, so i built 3.5.5 using konstruct on ubuntu edgy and I am seeing some weirdness... |
| 15:07.33 | JoseBravo | Sho_, what I need to set in KDEWM? |
| 15:07.36 | allquixotic | I abhor using binary-only 32-bit plugins written to nsplugin, but SO many useful things are (unfortunately) distributed as exactly that. :( |
| 15:07.41 | Sho_ | changelog: |
| 15:07.43 | Sho_ | * src/npw-viewer.c: Fixup NPWindow size hints. Flash Player |
| 15:07.43 | Sho_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.43 | Sho_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.43 | Sho_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.47 | wongk | when i right click on konsole and do Settings -> Configure Konsole nothing happens... |
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| 15:08.17 | wongk | when i right click on the task bar and select Configure Panel, the only page that is available is Taskbar |
| 15:08.19 | Sho_ | As I understand that changelog entry, nspluginwrapper was generating stupid size hints that upset the Flash plugin in Konq because Konq actually tells them to the plugin whereas Moz does not |
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| 15:08.32 | Sho_ | JoseBravo: The name of the compiz executable, perhaps with the path |
| 15:08.49 | Sho_ | JoseBravo: Which we also told you repeatedly yesterday ;) |
| 15:09.02 | allquixotic | Sho_: i686 Flash 9 is doing stupid sizing as well; I get Flash windows taking up most of the page for a tiny little animation at the top |
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| 15:09.06 | allquixotic | and it does that in Firefox |
| 15:09.12 | allquixotic | may be a related problem |
| 15:09.55 | allquixotic | Flash 7 works properly (with sites that don't require higher versions :P) |
| 15:10.42 | Sho_ | allquixotic: One thing that is broken in Firefox/Linux as far as Flash goes is that it doesn't properly support the widget stacking order, i.e. when you go e.g. to the Asus websites, their flash movie will appear over the drop-down menus of their site navigation, making the menus unusable ... this works correctly in Konq, the drop-down menu appears above Flash |
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| 15:11.16 | allquixotic | Sho_: ati.com did (or still does) do that also |
| 15:11.17 | Ace2016 | Anyone know how to customise the right click menu of konqueror? |
| 15:11.20 | wongk | anyone successfully running a home built KDE on ubuntu edgy? |
| 15:11.24 | allquixotic | Sho_: Tell me more about this "Konqeuror" ;) LMAO |
| 15:11.27 | allquixotic | I'm going to try it. |
| 15:11.36 | allquixotic | Konqueror* |
| 15:11.41 | hollywoodb | Sho_: I've noticed Konq handling quite a few sites better than FF, unfortunately there's the occasional site that just doesn't like Konq no matter how you set it to identify itself |
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| 15:12.46 | allquixotic | Hopefully konq 64-bit + the latest nspluginwrapper can support my Citrix plugin, and Flash 9 (which afaik is only in 32-bit as of now), and Mplayer 64-bit... |
| 15:13.12 | allquixotic | and Sun JRE 6 64-bit doesn't have a plugin yet, I don't think, so I'll need to nspluginwrapper the 32-bit JRE |
| 15:13.30 | Ace2016 | I want to change it from: http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mydesktop6wu6.png To this: http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=acenj5.png |
| 15:14.01 | benJIman | allquixotic: you can use 32bit plugins in 64bit konq yes |
| 15:14.08 | benJIman | citrix works for me |
| 15:14.15 | Sho_ | allquixotic: http://www.eikehein.com/asus1.png vs http://www.eikehein.com/asus2.png btw |
| 15:14.29 | allquixotic | benJIman: with or without nspluginwrapper? |
| 15:14.53 | JoseBravo | Sho_, I need to: export KDEWM=/usr/bin/compiz before start KDE? |
| 15:15.34 | Sho_ | JoseBravo: Yes, ideally in your ~/.xinitrc or somesuch |
| 15:16.18 | Ace2016 | will editing the right click menu like that be a config thing or a source code modification ? |
| 15:16.42 | allquixotic | oh and I have another question: as for bookmarks, is there any way to sync them with a Firefox plugin such as FoxMarks, or is there any way to sync them between computers (period)? |
| 15:16.49 | Sho_ | Ace2016: Both |
| 15:16.50 | JoseBravo | Sho_, It will works if I create it? |
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| 15:16.58 | Sho_ | JoseBravo: It should, yes |
| 15:17.04 | Ace2016 | Sho_: huh? |
| 15:17.16 | allquixotic | a config thing AND a source code modification.. :p |
| 15:17.28 | Sho_ | Ace2016: The stuff in "Actions" are service menus, which are text files that can be installed and removed at will, everything else is source code |
| 15:17.36 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 15:18.07 | Ace2016 | wait a sec |
| 15:18.18 | Ace2016 | how did kplayer add the play and queue to that menu before? |
| 15:18.35 | Ace2016 | in the non edited one kplayer added play and queue, can i move that up? |
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| 15:18.48 | Enverex | Any ideas? |
| 15:19.04 | Sho_ | Ace2016: There are faclities to add toplevel menu entries, but I don't know whether those are plugins or also service menus |
| 15:19.19 | Enverex | Whoops, ignore that |
| 15:19.25 | Sho_ | Ace2016: "Copy" and "Rename" are definitely not, however |
| 15:19.54 | Sho_ | Ace2016: I suggest starting by reading the service menu howto I posted |
| 15:20.28 | Jucato | Sho_: Kubuntu has some top level service menus (Kubuntu Package Menus) that are just plain text |
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| 15:21.03 | wishie | how can i file a bug against kaffeine ? |
| 15:21.33 | Sho_ | wishie: Go to http://bugs.kde.org/ and make your way through the wizard, selecting kaffeine as a product (you may have to use the search field on one of the wizard pages) |
| 15:22.08 | wishie | not sure if id class it as a bug, as something else set it off, but, i think it should be reported. |
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| 15:23.39 | JoseBravo | Sho_, the same sh.t |
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| 15:25.51 | allquixotic | From about:plugins in Konqueror: "Shockwave Flash Shockwave Flash 9.0 d78 npwrapper.libflashplayer9.so" <---- It appears to be detected, but it doesn't work... *scratches head* |
| 15:26.50 | Sho_ | (cool. I didn't even know Konq had an about:plugins.) |
| 15:27.14 | allquixotic | it should and does, just like Opera, Mozilla, Netscape, Firefox, ... |
| 15:27.25 | Jucato | heh :) |
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| 15:29.52 | allquixotic | do any of you happen to be Matthias Ettrich? does he come here? ;p |
| 15:30.20 | Jucato | O.o |
| 15:30.25 | allquixotic | lol |
| 15:30.31 | allquixotic | odd question I know :p |
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| 15:33.57 | benJIman | allquixotic: with |
| 15:34.09 | allquixotic | thanks benJiman |
| 15:34.29 | allquixotic | I'm still not getting any 32-bit plugin support :-/ |
| 15:34.39 | allquixotic | I'm doing something wrong! X_x |
| 15:35.02 | Le_Joker | hi ! someone speak fr here ? |
| 15:35.30 | Sho_ | Le_Joker: There's a #kde-fr channel |
| 15:35.37 | benJIman | allquixotic: install the 32bit nspluginviewer |
| 15:35.54 | benJIman | allquixotic: this may require you to be using a distribution that doesn't suck^W^WIsn't debian based. |
| 15:35.54 | allquixotic | I did |
| 15:36.04 | allquixotic | I am using FC6 |
| 15:36.13 | Le_Joker | Sho_ : yes but the seems sleeping |
| 15:36.27 | benJIman | right, well install the 32bit package of nspluginviewer and it should just work |
| 15:36.31 | Sho_ | allquixotic: No, Matthias by and large doesn't frequent IRC anymore |
| 15:36.31 | allquixotic | how do I turn off pop-up blocking in Konqueror entirely? |
| 15:36.45 | benJIman | allquixotic: settings -> configure -> java & javascript |
| 15:36.56 | Le_Joker | Ok I try in En |
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| 15:37.32 | allquixotic | is it the JavaScript "Open New windows" setting, Sho_? |
| 15:37.49 | allquixotic | It was on "Smart", but I want it to be stoopid in this case :) |
| 15:37.49 | Le_Joker | to install on a old mandrake |
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| 15:38.36 | Sho_ | allquixotic: Should be - you can click the respective options with the help cursor to see an explanation of them |
| 15:39.49 | allquixotic | ok, next question - it could be that I am (for some reason) using 32-bit Konqueror without knowing it; how can I check the binary format of an executable? (Can't believe I don't already know this..) |
| 15:40.35 | allquixotic | thanks for that Sho_, I think the pop-ups are no longer disabled. but still.. plugins no worky -__- |
| 15:41.35 | allquixotic | brb, traveling to class :D yay Thinkpad X60. easy to put away :p |
| 15:41.38 | allquixotic | *shuts lid* |
| 15:41.40 | Sho_ | allquixotic: file /path/to/executable |
| 15:41.44 | allquixotic | thanks Sho_ |
| 15:41.47 | allquixotic | will try that in lecture, hahaha |
| 15:41.56 | Sho_ | e.g. "/usr/bin/krename: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped" |
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| 15:46.32 | Le_Joker | 10x |
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| 15:47.02 | Jucato | Sho_: btw, I made an embarrassing error... I sent an e-mail to you guys without attaching what I was supposed to attach :P |
| 15:47.12 | Sho_ | Jucato: I noticed ;) |
| 15:47.34 | Jucato | heheh :) |
| 15:47.47 | Jucato | I was so darn excited... |
| 15:48.05 | Sho_ | Jucato: If you use the word "attach" in a mail without attaching anything, KMail actually warns, afaik |
| 15:48.18 | Jucato | aah... I didn't use the word attach/attached |
| 15:48.23 | Jucato | yeah I do remember that feature |
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| 15:56.21 | vldmr | hi all ! |
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| 15:59.25 | aep | greetings |
| 15:59.31 | aep | i have some problems with konsole |
| 15:59.44 | aep | if i resize it, the shell dosnt get updated |
| 15:59.50 | aep | not always |
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| 16:00.43 | vldmr | I have a problem with 3.5.5 Media devices. can anyone help me ? I have installed hal and dbus and it appear work fine here, but KDE doesnt start the Media Manager. I use slackware 11 and I upgrated the KDE 3.5.4 to 3.5.5 with HAL support |
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| 16:03.26 | allquixotic | hey |
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| 16:04.46 | vldmr | ? |
| 16:05.55 | Allquixotic | just saying hi :) |
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| 16:10.42 | vldmr | can anyone help me ? |
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| 16:12.19 | Allquixotic | with what? |
| 16:12.32 | vldmr | I have a problem with 3.5.5 Media devices. can anyone help me ? I have installed hal and dbus and it appear work fine here, but KDE doesnt start the Media Manager. I use slackware 11 and I upgrated the KDE 3.5.4 to 3.5.5 with HAL support |
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| 16:13.02 | Allquixotic | what media device do you have? is it known to be supported by i.e. libipod? |
| 16:13.21 | Allquixotic | just having information about the media device in the HAL doesn't mean programs can use it |
| 16:13.22 | vldmr | Allquixotic: cdrom, pendrive |
| 16:13.28 | Allquixotic | hm |
| 16:13.36 | Allquixotic | what particularly are you trying to do? |
| 16:13.47 | vldmr | ok |
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| 16:16.21 | Allquixotic | i thought you meant an ipod or something lol what do you expect to happen when you plug in a pen drive? desktop icon? |
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| 16:27.27 | wishie | hmm, odd. i thought a pen drive/usb stick , whatever you want to call it, would show up when i plug it in |
| 16:27.40 | wishie | the same was my memory cards do, or dvd/cds i insert |
| 16:27.48 | wishie | but, it doesnt |
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| 16:55.11 | Sho_ | wishie: It's supposed to, yes |
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| 16:58.10 | Hoki_Workin | home time |
| 16:58.28 | wishie | it may be supposed to, but its not working |
| 16:58.36 | wishie | it seems that linux doesnt like this usb drive |
| 16:58.49 | wishie | i know it appears in windows as a usb hdd _and_ a usb cdrom |
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| 16:59.50 | Allquixotic | wishie: can you mount it manually? |
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| 17:00.22 | wishie | not at the moment, no |
| 17:00.59 | wishie | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.59 | wishie | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.59 | wishie | sd 8:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb |
| 17:01.08 | wishie | but, sdb is not a valid block device :) |
| 17:01.09 | Allquixotic | ick, U3 |
| 17:01.16 | wishie | yeah, U3 |
| 17:01.18 | smileaf | sdb1 |
| 17:01.23 | wishie | smileaf: nope. |
| 17:01.39 | smileaf | then its not finding any partitions. |
| 17:01.44 | wishie | sdb doesnt exist, according to cfdisk (which i used to see what partitions it had) |
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| 17:02.07 | smileaf | tried creating it? |
| 17:02.08 | wishie | smileaf: yet, in windows, it appears as 2 drives. usb hdd and usb cdrom |
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| 17:02.44 | Allquixotic | look in /dev/scsi to see if it just isn't linking to /dev/sdb proprely |
| 17:03.01 | Jucato | hi smileaf |
| 17:03.15 | wishie | i dont have a /dev/scsi |
| 17:03.35 | smileaf | mknod /dev/sdb b 8 16 |
| 17:04.27 | wishie | smileaf: /dev/sdb exists already |
| 17:04.35 | wishie | but cfdisk says its not a valid block device |
| 17:04.42 | wishie | ie: it cant find partitions on it |
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| 17:05.14 | Allquixotic | but it's a ..... Cd-ROM? |
| 17:05.15 | Allquixotic | or a pen? |
| 17:05.21 | smileaf | dunno what to say then. can't help you.. and even then this problem isn't a KDE issue. |
| 17:05.32 | smileaf | as in #yourdistro |
| 17:05.35 | smileaf | ask* |
| 17:06.35 | smileaf | Jucato: Hi |
| 17:07.45 | wishie | Allquixotic: its both, according to windows. (the U3 system is on the "cdrom" part) |
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| 17:08.21 | Allquixotic | is the U3 Cruzer Micro a USB thumb drive, or does it also read optical media? ignore for a moment what OSes might detect it as |
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| 17:08.38 | wishie | its a USB thumb drive |
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| 17:09.17 | Allquixotic | ick.... a USB thumb drive should never be detected as multiple devices but apparently U3 is implemented in hardware |
| 17:09.22 | wishie | the "U3" is a small piece of software, stored on a "cdrom" section of the drive, which executes when the drive is plugged in. |
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| 17:09.48 | Allquixotic | I think the kernel just might not support your hardware at all since this is partitioned into two devices - your partition table might be low-level formatted to be non-compliant with the standard PC partition table |
| 17:10.09 | Allquixotic | you COULD try wiping the entire partition table, writing a new mbr and getting rid of U3 |
| 17:10.15 | Allquixotic | if it's not implemented in hardware but is just a format on the disk |
| 17:10.18 | wishie | apparently the drive can work with linux, if you format both partitions, and just use it as a normal usb drive |
| 17:10.24 | Allquixotic | right. |
| 17:11.02 | Allquixotic | U3 doesn't use the IBM PC standard for partition format specification, from what I gather |
| 17:11.45 | wishie | ill fsck with it more tomorrow. is 3:11am here now. thanks for the help anyway, even though it ended up not being KDE related |
| 17:12.12 | Allquixotic | np |
| 17:12.35 | smileaf | 3:11 isn't too late.. it's early =) |
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| 17:13.14 | coder_5 | hi! i need an utf-8 aware editor. kate cant handle utf8 it seems. something to recommend? i need to edit HUGE textfiles without any formating. (ooffice works but is overkill) |
| 17:13.25 | Allquixotic | jEdit |
| 17:13.34 | Allquixotic | use Sun JRE 1.6.0 for ultra performance |
| 17:13.40 | smileaf | kate can handle utf8 enabled files |
| 17:13.47 | smileaf | all of kde can. |
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| 17:15.10 | coder_5 | kate messes up special characters in an utf8 .txt file. oofice displays them fine. |
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| 17:15.34 | smileaf | and you tried manually setting the encoding? |
| 17:15.35 | Allquixotic | is it an internationalization issue? |
| 17:15.53 | Allquixotic | are you using utf8 with standard ASCII characters within? |
| 17:15.57 | coder_5 | maybe i have compiled kde without unicode? (using gentoo with it's useflags hell) |
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| 17:16.12 | smileaf | you can't disable utf8 support. |
| 17:16.41 | coder_5 | Allquixotic, no, it's for editing large gutenberg.org e-books in utf8.txt format. |
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| 17:17.27 | coder_5 | smileaf, so how to 'import' those utf8 files corectly? or how to switch the encoding? kate would be fine for me then. |
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| 17:18.33 | coder_5 | smileaf, how to manualy setting the encoding? |
| 17:18.40 | smileaf | sadly I'm not in kde atm... I forget the menu name probably view? but there is a sub menu to set the encoding. |
| 17:19.23 | vldmr | in Konqueror, I try to access the 'Media storage icon' (or how it's in english language) and appear this message: The KDE device manager doesnt started |
| 17:19.28 | coder_5 | smileaf, hmm.. will check it out. |
| 17:19.34 | Allquixotic | hang on coder i will look |
| 17:19.57 | Sho_ | vldmr: KControl -> KDE Components -> Service Manager -> [x] KDE Media Manager |
| 17:20.20 | Allquixotic | tools -> encoding |
| 17:20.34 | Allquixotic | go there and holy cussword batman that's a lot of encodings |
| 17:20.50 | smileaf | coder_5: to save it there is a combo box to set the encoding. I'm sure there is probably a way of changing the default encoding as well in the config |
| 17:20.59 | coder_5 | smileaf, hey, you are right, it's hidden in : kate/tools/encoding/... |
| 17:21.10 | coder_5 | :-) |
| 17:21.20 | Allquixotic | me said first |
| 17:21.21 | Allquixotic | lol |
| 17:21.22 | smileaf | displays right? |
| 17:21.24 | Allquixotic | :P |
| 17:21.29 | coder_5 | yep! |
| 17:21.33 | smileaf | :) |
| 17:21.43 | Sho_ | coder_5: The Open File/Save File dialogs in Kate also have an encoding selector in the upper-right corner |
| 17:21.44 | vldmr | Sho_: I tried it, but it appear this message: Did not possible start component |
| 17:21.57 | vldmr | I have a problem with 3.5.5 Media devices. can anyone help me ? I have installed hal and dbus and it appear work fine here, but KDE doesnt start the Media Manager. I use slackware 11 and I upgrated the KDE 3.5.4 to 3.5.5 with HAL support |
| 17:22.09 | smileaf | Sho_: isn't there an option to set that default someplace? |
| 17:23.06 | coder_5 | Sho_, hey, i missed that too! ans for sure, 'utf8' is listed there too! thankyou. kde rocks :-) |
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| 17:23.52 | Allquixotic | xine could use some work - libsoundtouch integration, for example (and then configs for it and other plugins in apps like Amarok) - other than that kde is amazing |
| 17:24.09 | Sho_ | coder_5: There's also a default encoding option in the Fonts page in KControl, iirc |
| 17:25.06 | coder_5 | Sho_, i better dont touch global encoding i think. everything works fine as is, only those utf-8 textfiles need special handling. im fine with setting 'utf8' manualy for those. |
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| 17:26.22 | Allquixotic | is Xine part of KDE or just an adopted project? |
| 17:26.30 | Allquixotic | (adopted = one they really like to use) |
| 17:26.38 | smileaf | they just can use it. |
| 17:26.49 | smileaf | optional dependency |
| 17:27.22 | Allquixotic | well without xine where would we be for mp3 support in amarok? |
| 17:27.27 | Allquixotic | nowhere :) |
| 17:27.40 | smileaf | gstreamer? |
| 17:27.40 | Allquixotic | now that gst is gone out of amarok |
| 17:27.40 | Jucato | gstreamer? |
| 17:27.40 | Allquixotic | lol |
| 17:27.48 | Allquixotic | gst is gone out of amarok :P |
| 17:28.00 | Allquixotic | unless you use old old vers |
| 17:28.00 | smileaf | heh.. news to me |
| 17:28.07 | smileaf | never used it anyway tho |
| 17:28.28 | Allquixotic | i believe in amarok 1.4.4 they stopped linking against or allowing users to compile the amarok-gstreamer engine |
| 17:28.35 | Allquixotic | then again i could have misread the changelog |
| 17:28.51 | smileaf | Allquixotic: well.. if you look at it that way then glibc must also be an adopted project as everything depends on that library =) |
| 17:29.02 | Allquixotic | lol. |
| 17:29.07 | Allquixotic | what about vmlinuz ;) |
| 17:29.24 | smileaf | Allquixotic: still gets linked in ;) |
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| 17:30.07 | smileaf | the kernel is programmed in C. |
| 17:30.23 | Allquixotic | No WAY |
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| 17:30.34 | Allquixotic | I thought the kernel was programmed in OCaml |
| 17:30.36 | Allquixotic | :P |
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| 17:30.43 | smileaf | they changed!?! =p |
| 17:31.15 | Allquixotic | well they got tired of passing the size of arrays as arguments to functions |
| 17:31.32 | smileaf | and here i thought they were switching to perl... |
| 17:32.55 | Allquixotic | if Microsoft would just release the source code to VB6 they would code it in that... good old AddressOf operator |
| 17:33.18 | smileaf | I'd shoot myself if they did that :/ |
| 17:33.44 | Allquixotic | well VB6 + The Hurd would be perfect - complete opposite ends of the programming spectrum |
| 17:34.08 | Allquixotic | Cobol's even stupider little brother versus Linux's even smarter little brother ;) |
| 17:34.38 | Allquixotic | I know! let's make a microkernel to implement the VB VM |
| 17:35.26 | Allquixotic | you are thinking in VB - you need to tell us what's IN the squirt bottle or you're just as bad as Microsoft |
| 17:35.46 | Jucato | :) |
| 17:36.01 | smileaf | Allquixotic: vinegar water? |
| 17:36.06 | Allquixotic | ewww |
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| 17:37.00 | smileaf | or have I added vinegar yet... |
| 17:37.00 | smileaf | nope.. just plain water. |
| 17:37.14 | smileaf | when you have lots of places/things you don't want cats to get into.. a squirt bottle with a long range is a must! |
| 17:37.30 | Allquixotic | aww |
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| 17:38.03 | smileaf | one is getting use to it tho.. he drinks it... |
| 17:38.18 | Allquixotic | Nikki noodle-head (my cat) LIKES water. and she also likes stealing ornaments from the christmas tree. |
| 17:38.47 | smileaf | Allquixotic: put tape upside down under the tree. |
| 17:38.55 | Allquixotic | lol |
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| 17:39.11 | Allquixotic | she climbs though |
| 17:39.13 | Allquixotic | she doesn't walk on the bottom |
| 17:39.29 | Allquixotic | the problem is that the tree is right next to her cat stand, which extends to the ceiling |
| 17:39.52 | Allquixotic | she's too much Maine Coon for that tree; I think she'll knock it over |
| 17:40.08 | smileaf | large piece of see threw plastic? |
| 17:40.54 | Allquixotic | heh |
| 17:41.06 | smileaf | she jumps.. she hits face first into the plastic and slides down... hehe |
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| 17:41.18 | Allquixotic | she only messes with the tree when we're around |
| 17:41.23 | Allquixotic | she doesn't do anything to it all day long |
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| 17:42.30 | Allquixotic | we should just stop putting the ornaments back on the tree about 4 days before we're ready to take it down - that way, she will help us undecorate |
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| 17:49.15 | Jucato | oooooh... much appreciated :) |
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| 17:50.23 | excitatory | ok.. i feel rather stupid, but i cannot figure out how to remove gaps in k3b. in the burn dialog, i've tried to set it from auto to DAO.. still gaps.. i've tried highlighting every song, right clicking, properties, then setting the Indicies ("Modify Index 0 for all tracks. Gap Size:") to zero.. but still gaps appear. it's now cost me about 5 or 6 cdrs..and i'm not too impressed. |
| 17:50.30 | jeeger | hey i have a problem. The amarok kde icon is not showing... strange... |
| 17:50.40 | jeeger | amarok is running though |
| 17:51.12 | logixoul | #k3b might be of help - the k3b maintainer is there |
| 17:51.13 | Allquixotic | kde icon? you mean in the system tray? |
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| 17:51.49 | jeeger | yep |
| 17:51.58 | logixoul | jeeger: configure amarok...->general->show tray icon |
| 17:52.01 | Allquixotic | there is a configuration option for amarok that control sthe system tray |
| 17:52.06 | Allquixotic | and logixoul is faster than I am |
| 17:52.10 | jeeger | if i cant seelct the window... |
| 17:52.12 | logixoul | :) |
| 17:52.20 | Allquixotic | you don't even see the window in the taskbar? |
| 17:52.24 | jeeger | yep |
| 17:52.27 | logixoul | jeeger: killall amarok |
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| 17:52.30 | Allquixotic | and amarok is running and playing music? |
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| 17:53.34 | jeeger | nono i had a library problem where amarok was not starting. solved that, now amarok starts, i can do the wizard. then, either the "populating database" dialog shows up or it just disappears. amarok is still running then. |
| 17:53.43 | jeeger | I havent played music for a while... |
| 17:54.00 | logixoul | ok, just kill amarok and start it again |
| 17:54.11 | logixoul | hmm no |
| 17:54.52 | logixoul | lemme see the commandline opts... |
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| 17:55.45 | logixoul | wtf? my own amarok segfaults now |
| 17:55.47 | milaks | Can someone tell why is that when I installed kde on ubuntu, I cannot access / (filesystem root) from within konqueror? |
| 17:56.05 | logixoul | milaks: is there an error message |
| 17:56.14 | Sho_ | milaks: Kubuntu chose to screw with that, ask in #kubuntu about it |
| 17:56.42 | milaks | no it simply shows only /home and /media folders |
| 17:57.53 | Allquixotic | my amarok doesn't segfault :) |
| 17:58.15 | Allquixotic | type / into the addressbar milaks |
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| 17:58.21 | Allquixotic | or press the "Up" arrow (not the "Back" arrow) |
| 17:58.29 | excitatory | milaks: View | Show Hidden files.. you're not root, so they're not shown. as a user, there's really no reason to browse those directories via konq anyway. |
| 17:58.43 | milaks | I've managed to solve this, I got answer from #kubuntu. Show hiddent files :)) |
| 17:58.53 | jeeger | hail |
| 17:58.56 | logixoul | excitatory: unless you want to get the file of an icon or something, i do that regularly :) |
| 17:58.56 | jeeger | it worked |
| 17:59.08 | jeeger | removed my ~/.kde3.5/apps/share/amarok dir |
| 17:59.12 | jeeger | or something... |
| 17:59.41 | hagebake | hmm, ktorrent can filter RSS with regular expression now |
| 17:59.49 | hagebake | but i can't seem to get it work |
| 17:59.50 | milaks | One more question, how can I make konqueror (file browser) window start in one windows size, and konqueror (web browser) in another? |
| 17:59.55 | excitatory | logixoul: and so you show hidden files and do it.. there's ways to turn it off.. but this is kubuntu safeguard default behavior. |
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| 18:00.00 | logixoul | right |
| 18:01.13 | Allquixotic | the (K)ubuntu 6.06 and 6.10 kernels don't work with the ACPI on my Lenovo Thinkpad X60 (and I'm not about to run noapic no acpi) so I went with FC6 :) otherwise not a bad distro, what little I used of it |
| 18:03.08 | logixoul | milaks: settings->configure view profiles->select "file management"->check "save window size"; repeat for "web browsing" |
| 18:03.30 | Allquixotic | thanks for that logixoul, I was wondering about that too :) |
| 18:03.39 | logixoul | ;) |
| 18:03.52 | milaks | logixoul: thanks |
| 18:03.58 | logixoul | ;) |
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| 18:04.35 | Allquixotic | is there a commandline option to start the Konqueror web browser side with the homepage? I keep getting the "Welcome to Fedora Core 6!" page |
| 18:04.43 | logixoul | yes |
| 18:04.55 | logixoul | w8 |
| 18:05.04 | benJIman | Allquixotic: that is the homepage probably |
| 18:05.14 | benJIman | Allquixotic: go to a site you want to be home page then settings -> save view profile |
| 18:05.14 | milaks | And one more question (I promise this is the last :)): Is there any way for konqueror (web browser) to automaticaly remebers open tabs and reopens them upon next start, something like in opera? |
| 18:05.17 | logixoul | konqueror --profile File Management |
| 18:05.33 | Allquixotic | I hit "home" and it gives me Google (like I want) |
| 18:06.17 | logixoul | milaks: kcontrol->kde components->session manager->on login->restore prev session |
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| 18:06.25 | logixoul | milaks: works for all of kde;) |
| 18:06.31 | logixoul | milaks: feel free to ask more :p |
| 18:06.35 | Allquixotic | lol |
| 18:06.55 | Allquixotic | the main thing about KDE isn't that it can't do things, it's just that it's so flexible that no one is used to using what it can do |
| 18:08.51 | milaks | logixoul: Thanks, but I know that, I wouldnt like to restore konqueror on logon but when I start it. As I can managed to digg there is only Save View Proifile but it still need manually loading. |
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| 18:09.58 | smileaf | milaks: update your link to include the name of the profile you saved. |
| 18:11.07 | Allquixotic | kfmclient openProfile webbrowser |
| 18:11.08 | Allquixotic | that works for me |
| 18:11.12 | Allquixotic | when i save my homepage in the profile |
| 18:11.23 | smileaf | konqueror --profile [profilenamehere] as logixoul mentioned earlier |
| 18:11.43 | milaks | smileaf: I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand you. When I save view profile, I give that session a name, |
| 18:12.00 | smileaf | milaks: yes.. and use it in that command I just gave you |
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| 18:14.01 | MinceR | teach them to use irc |
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| 18:14.12 | smileaf | logixoul: tell your phone company they need to support notification when your on irc =] |
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| 18:15.00 | solshark | Hello. I delete Trash from desktop. It is possible return it? |
| 18:15.01 | milaks | smileaf: aha I understand you now :) But you see that is a somewhat "static" behaviour, what I want is that when surf (open various tabs, close various tabs) and then close konqueror, upon next start to reopen automaticaly tabs from _last_ session. In the way you propsed me, I would be in able to use only one group of tabs that I (once) manualy saved. |
| 18:15.02 | smileaf | "I'm sorry the number you have dialed is unavailable. please use #kde@freenode." :) |
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| 18:15.39 | logixoul | Allquixotic: [re:the main thing about kde] if they only realized kcontrol has a search feature then #kde would be nearly permanently idle :)) |
| 18:16.39 | Allquixotic | logixoul: or they're using an older version of kde without that |
| 18:16.53 | smileaf | milaks: so use the minimize button and make sure kde auto loads the last session on login? :) |
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| 18:17.25 | Kibou | milaks: konqueror can't do session restoring like firefox 2.0 and opera |
| 18:17.26 | logixoul | milaks: [re:how to remember tabs] well, in that same "configure view profiles" dialog use the "save urls" checkbox |
| 18:17.47 | logixoul | Kibou: it can, but that isn't what he wants actually ;)) |
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| 18:17.58 | Allquixotic | I love this computer science building BUT I think I need to move to the ground floor. I am afraid of heights |
| 18:17.59 | Kibou | well.. that's what I said.. |
| 18:18.28 | logixoul | ok |
| 18:18.33 | milaks | logixoul: no, just like Kibou said, that was just what I wanted :) |
| 18:18.34 | Kibou | no need to confuse him though |
| 18:18.44 | milaks | :) |
| 18:18.53 | milaks | Kibou: so it cant. Pitty |
| 18:19.16 | milaks | Kibou: I was having in mind exactly Opera and Firefox |
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| 18:19.29 | logixoul | solshark: yes. do you know how to create desktop links? |
| 18:20.06 | milaks | Well anyway thanks for your effort guys. |
| 18:20.30 | milaks | Bye. |
| 18:21.15 | logixoul | Allquixotic: few of the #kde visitors use kde < 3.5... but yeah :) |
| 18:21.22 | Allquixotic | ok, I have an interesting issue. Using nspluginwrapper to wrap i386 NS4 plugins (nppdf.so, Adobe Acrobat) in Konqueror, the plugin won't load as a user, but if I run Konqueror as root, some plugins do load. |
| 18:21.33 | solshark | Peoples, help. I'm using KDE one week and don't know all fetures. How to return deleted Trash to desktop? Please. |
| 18:21.50 | logixoul | solshark: didn't you see my last message? |
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| 18:22.00 | solshark | logixoul: Oh, sorry, very slow channel. Yes, i know. |
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| 18:22.33 | Allquixotic | I am running Konqueror out of a user shell and it gives me no error output such as "permission denied" (which is what I was expecting but sadly disappointed lol) |
| 18:22.52 | logixoul | solshark: ok, then add a link to trash:/ to the desktop. trash:/ is a special place containing your trash. |
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| 18:25.17 | solshark | logixoul: Sorry for stupid question, but in what field i must type "trash:/"? In command? |
| 18:25.46 | logixoul | Allquixotic: do the following as user: konq->settings->configure konq->plugins. see what folders are scanned. now see the same thing for root. are the scanned dirs the same? |
| 18:25.59 | Allquixotic | yes, they are the same |
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| 18:26.12 | Allquixotic | I just checked that |
| 18:26.43 | Allquixotic | ooh, making progress now |
| 18:26.57 | Allquixotic | "Unable to load Netscape plugin for file://path/to/pdf/file.pdf |
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| 18:27.38 | Allquixotic | using nspluginwrapper should work, the file command reports amd64 binary format for the npwrapper.nppdf.so file |
| 18:27.47 | logixoul | solshark: i asked you if you knew how to add links to the desktop, you said yes. ok, here's how: desktop context menu->create new->link to location->in the bottom field enter trash:/ |
| 18:28.27 | Allquixotic | [sean@vk5rms root]$ file /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.nppdf.so |
| 18:28.28 | Allquixotic | /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.nppdf.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped |
| 18:29.25 | logixoul | Allquixotic: what gave the output "unable to load..."? |
| 18:30.11 | Allquixotic | the main Konqueror window when I tried to view a PDF file within Konqueror, using the Adobe Acrobat 7.0 Netscape plug-in "nppdf.so" which is a 32-bit library, through the latest version of nspluginwrapper to run on my x86_64 Konqueror and system |
| 18:30.13 | thiago_ | Allquixotic: why are you using nspluginwrapper for a PDF file? |
| 18:30.17 | logixoul | solshark: no worries, you aren't asking stupid questions (yet) :P |
| 18:30.54 | solshark | logixoul: I know how to create links :) But i get error message about wrong format |
| 18:30.59 | Allquixotic | thiago_: I'm using the local file as a test but I ultimately want to use Konqueror to view PDFs within it using the plugin. I am using Acrobat as a test, but I also want Flash support eventually |
| 18:31.13 | thiago_ | Allquixotic: then use Flash. |
| 18:31.20 | thiago_ | Allquixotic: PDF should be read using KPDF. |
| 18:31.30 | thiago_ | and Flash works just fine -- in Konqueror 32-bit. |
| 18:31.39 | logixoul | thiago_: kpdf doesn't fully support forms iirc. |
| 18:31.45 | logixoul | but yeah. |
| 18:32.04 | Allquixotic | thiago_: I am running x86_64, and I want to use *Adobe Acrobat* to view PDF files in-line without opening the main Acrobat window. And KPdf doesn't 100% accurately render all PDFs. |
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| 18:32.22 | logixoul | solshark: what error message do you get? when exactly do you get it? |
| 18:32.29 | thiago_ | if you find any PDF that it doesn't render 100% accurately, send a bug report. |
| 18:33.37 | Allquixotic | thiago_: if I browse to a webpage that has a PDF, I don't want to have another window pop up for Acrobat. |
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| 18:33.38 | thiago_ | Allquixotic: what do you have from nspluginviewer in ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 18:33.38 | Allquixotic | let me see - I'll get right back to you |
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| 18:34.16 | solshark | logixoul: Ohmmm. I understand. I don't see link to lokation in menu. |
| 18:34.16 | solshark | logixoul: Omli link to application and link to device |
| 18:34.46 | Allquixotic | no output explicitly listing nspluginviewer |
| 18:34.46 | logixoul | solshark: what kde version? what distro/os? |
| 18:35.00 | solshark | logixoul: Oh, i'm really using very slow channel so my answers is very ... strange :) |
| 18:35.14 | Allquixotic | thiago_: `cat ~/.xsession-errors | grep nsplu` produces no output |
| 18:35.22 | thiago_ | Allquixotic: tail -f ~/.xsession-errors |
| 18:35.31 | thiago_ | Allquixotic: then load a webpage that has a PDF |
| 18:35.51 | solshark | logixoul: KDE 3.5.5, Gentoo Linux |
| 18:36.25 | Allquixotic | it produces no additional lines on .xsession-errors, besides what was already there |
| 18:36.28 | Allquixotic | LOTS and LOTS of |
| 18:36.28 | Allquixotic | QFile::open: No file name specified |
| 18:36.28 | Allquixotic | ...Too much output, ignoring rest... |
| 18:37.02 | Allquixotic | those QFile::open errors were there before I tried to open the pdf |
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| 18:37.10 | Allquixotic | and no new ones were generated when I tried again |
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| 18:38.11 | Allquixotic | if I go to about:plugins in Konqueror, it doesn't list any 32-bit plugins at all; the only plugins it lists are npwrapper.*.so plugins (ELF 64-bit when I use `file` on them) or native 64-bit libtotem plugins |
| 18:38.26 | Allquixotic | nswrapper.* I mean |
| 18:38.28 | Allquixotic | not npwrapper |
| 18:38.28 | KRF | grml, kopete sounds dont work again |
| 18:38.49 | thiago | killall nspluginviewer |
| 18:38.51 | benJIman | Allquixotic: install the 32bit nspluginwrapper then |
| 18:38.59 | KRF | if i restart kopete they work for about 10mins, and then: nothing. if i get a message: nothin |
| 18:39.04 | thiago | benJIman: no need, since his .so is 64-bit |
| 18:39.21 | thiago | Allquixotic: try another plugin |
| 18:39.38 | Allquixotic | benJiman: I'm confused; isn't nspluginwrapper intended to create 64-bit shared objects that use 32-bit plugins you have written? |
| 18:39.48 | Allquixotic | I am using a 64-bit version of Konqueror. |
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| 18:40.06 | thiago | Allquixotic: the 64-bit version of nspluginviewer can only load 64-bit plugins |
| 18:40.08 | benJIman | If you're using 64bit konqueror and you want to use 32bit netscape plugins you need to install the 32bit nspluginviewr |
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| 18:40.22 | thiago | Allquixotic: is your Acrobat plugin 64-bit? |
| 18:40.32 | Allquixotic | I am using the binary RPM distribution of nspluginwrapper-i386 and nspluginviewer that were provided at Gwenole's webpage. |
| 18:40.44 | Allquixotic | my Acrobat plugin is 32-bit, because (AFAIK) there is no native 64-bit Acrobat plugin. |
| 18:40.44 | benJIman | install the 32bit one and it should work |
| 18:40.54 | benJIman | kpdf works with konqueror though |
| 18:40.56 | BlackBsd | is there a kde application for dvd-backup? |
| 18:40.57 | mortiis | i have a pseudo problem with ktorrent 2.1beta1, i can't set a password for the web-admin interface and i can't find a default pwd anywhere :/ |
| 18:41.03 | thiago | Allquixotic: then you need the 32-bit plugin viewer to load them. |
| 18:41.15 | BlackBsd | i mean a kde front end to some dvd-backup application. |
| 18:41.36 | Ayabara | I installed kpowersave on my system. should I remove the default power mangager? Is that the one called simply powersave? |
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| 18:42.40 | Allquixotic | thiago: http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/#downloads <--- I went there and installed the "Plugin" and "Viewer" RPMs provided by Gwenole. Am I really using the wrong arch for these?! |
| 18:42.55 | andersin | Hello everyone |
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| 18:43.29 | logixoul | yo andersin |
| 18:43.30 | thiago | Allquixotic: who is gwenole? |
| 18:43.31 | logixoul | BlackBsd: define dvd-backup |
| 18:43.41 | Allquixotic | Gwenole is the maintainer of nspluginwrapper |
| 18:43.49 | thiago | Allquixotic: never heard of him |
| 18:44.02 | thiago | Allquixotic: why don't you use your distribution's nspluginviewers? |
| 18:44.21 | andersin | Does anybody know if the quicklaunch bar can be set up to display two rows of small items? |
| 18:44.43 | logixoul | andersin: that's exactly what it does, last time i checked |
| 18:44.44 | benJIman | Allquixotic: just install the 32bit package |
| 18:44.49 | andersin | really |
| 18:44.55 | Allquixotic | My distribution's nspluginviewer is an older version of the same, which has Konqueror problems (i.e. a bug in nspluginviewer which causes it to work not so nicely with Konqueror). |
| 18:45.08 | logixoul | andersin: the quicklaunch applet, that is. |
| 18:45.11 | thiago | Allquixotic: upgrade KDE then |
| 18:45.20 | thiago | andersin: use two panels |
| 18:45.31 | logixoul | andersin: not kicker's builtin ability to host link icons |
| 18:45.33 | Allquixotic | there's a version of KDE more recent than 3.5.5? :o |
| 18:45.37 | Allquixotic | other than the development 4.0 |
| 18:45.43 | andersin | aha |
| 18:46.04 | nagyv | hello! I would like to connect my mobile using bluetooth, but I can not set it up is a paired device. How can I do it? |
| 18:46.21 | thiago | Allquixotic: no |
| 18:46.32 | nagyv | I use kubuntu, and konqueror recognizes the device, but this is not engough for me. |
| 18:46.33 | logixoul | Ayabara: if im not mistaken kpowersave is a powersave frontend |
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| 18:46.40 | MetaBookfoziS | what app can remotecontroll kde |
| 18:46.43 | MetaBookfoziS | from bluetooth? |
| 18:46.52 | MetaBookfoziS | i forget that's name |
| 18:46.52 | nagyv | MetaBookfoziS: there are several |
| 18:46.56 | andersin | logixoul: is it possible to configure which icons it displays |
| 18:46.59 | MetaBookfoziS | please, list! |
| 18:47.00 | MetaBookfoziS | :D |
| 18:47.10 | Allquixotic | the package details of nspluginwrapper-i386 (which is in my distro, and which I also upgraded using the online packages from Gwenole) says the following: |
| 18:47.14 | MetaBookfoziS | Hamr magyar vagy;) |
| 18:47.16 | Allquixotic | nspluginwrapper makes it possible to use Netscape 4 compatible plugins compiled for i386 into Mozilla for another architecture, e.g. x86_64. |
| 18:47.17 | Allquixotic | This package consists in: * npviewer: the plugin viewer * npwrapper.so: the browser-side plugin * nspluginwrapper: a tool to manage plugins installation and update |
| 18:47.18 | andersin | logixoul: or do you only get the automatic version |
| 18:47.32 | nagyv | MetaBookfoziS: what kind of mobile do you have? symbian based: bluezclient, sony-ericsson: remoteJ |
| 18:47.40 | thiago | Allquixotic: nspluginviewer, not nspluginwrapper |
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| 18:47.45 | andersin | logixoul: never mind, clicked the wrong spot |
| 18:47.47 | thiago | Allquixotic: get the 32-bit nspluginviewer |
| 18:47.47 | logixoul | andersin: use the context menu ;) |
| 18:47.48 | logixoul | aha |
| 18:47.59 | Allquixotic | hmm, ok |
| 18:48.00 | nagyv | MetaBookfoziS: http://elektron.its.tudelft.nl/~jkohne76/index.php |
| 18:48.02 | MetaBookfoziS | sonyericsson... megprobaloma remotejt |
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| 18:48.07 | MetaBookfoziS | thx! |
| 18:48.16 | nagyv | MetaBookfoziS: magyar cucc, ha jól látom |
| 18:48.51 | Allquixotic | you know, this seems like we are talking about two entirely different packages here thiago, lol. like totally unrelated. or ARE they related? |
| 18:49.08 | andersin | logixoul: thanks a lot! |
| 18:49.08 | Allquixotic | because nspluginwrapper also has a "viewer" component :P |
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| 18:49.09 | logixoul | welcome! |
| 18:49.09 | thiago | Allquixotic: I have never heard of nspluginwrapper |
| 18:49.11 | thiago | Allquixotic: Konqueror uses nspluginviewer |
| 18:49.11 | MetaBookfoziS | jah de nekem olyan kene, ami kde-re van, nem javara, mert a telom csatizik a taviranyitoval, mert fut a "hidd" ami ezt csinalja, de marhar anem tortenik semmi, pedig a tleo lekesen iranyitgatna |
| 18:49.16 | thiago | MetaBookfoziS: English, please. |
| 18:49.25 | MetaBookfoziS | okay, sry |
| 18:49.30 | Allquixotic | is nspluginviewer built into 3.5.5 then? |
| 18:49.43 | thiago | Allquixotic: yes |
| 18:49.59 | Allquixotic | so it just "loads" 32-bit plugins with Konqueror x86_64? |
| 18:50.06 | thiago | Allquixotic: no, it loads 64-bit plugins |
| 18:50.13 | Allquixotic | I see |
| 18:50.17 | thiago | Allquixotic: unless you have a 32-bit nspluginviewer, which in turn can only load 32-bit plugins |
| 18:50.30 | Allquixotic | can the 32-bit nspluginviewer load 32-bit plugins *for* a 64-bit konqueror, then? |
| 18:50.36 | thiago | yes, it can |
| 18:50.40 | Allquixotic | oh, cool :) |
| 18:50.51 | thiago | but, like I said, only 32-bit ones |
| 18:51.23 | thiago | but the recommendation is to use a 32-bit distro instead |
| 18:51.25 | Allquixotic | I may just uninstall nspluginwrapper for now (I have the rpm) and try nspluginviewer-i386... which I will have to find, because Fedora Core 6 repos + livna + atrpms together don't have anything but nspluginwrapper |
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| 18:52.26 | thiago | nspluginviewer is part of kdebase. If your distribution doesn't have a separate, 32-bit version of the plugin, then there's nothing you can do. |
| 18:52.40 | Allquixotic | FC6 has kdebase in i386 and x86_64 |
| 18:52.43 | Allquixotic | they are both installed |
| 18:52.47 | Allquixotic | they were installed LONG before I had this problem |
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| 18:52.57 | thiago | so it worked before? |
| 18:53.00 | nagyv | MetaBookfoziS: asszem vagy nem értelek, vagy nem értesz :) |
| 18:53.01 | Allquixotic | no |
| 18:53.07 | thiago | nagyv: English, please. |
| 18:53.11 | Allquixotic | this has never worked before, I am moving from Firefox because of the convincing of certain members of this channel |
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| 18:53.44 | thiago | Allquixotic: to get 32-bit plugins to work in Konqueror, you need a 32-bit nspluginviewer. |
| 18:53.49 | Allquixotic | alright |
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| 18:53.53 | Allquixotic | I will try that then |
| 18:53.56 | thiago | nspluginviewer is a program, so just fix your $PATH to point to it |
| 18:54.06 | MetaBookfoziS | so my phone have a built in function, to remote the computer. It's a sony ericsson k510i, i have connected the phone and this app succesfulyl to the machine |
| 18:54.07 | thiago | also note that nspluginscan must be 32-bit too |
| 18:54.26 | MetaBookfoziS | but, the machine-side things won'T work... |
| 18:54.36 | Allquixotic | I am confused though :S if my distro has RPM packages for kdebase i386 and x86_64, then how can it do that when there is only a single /usr/bin directory? |
| 18:54.51 | nagyv | MetaBookfoziS: csekk thisz, end it will give an anszver to jor kvestyon: http://stefans.datenbruch.de/k750i/remote.shtml |
| 18:55.00 | thiago | Allquixotic: one of the two must have installed the packages in another dir |
| 18:55.02 | MetaBookfoziS | :D |
| 18:55.04 | thiago | nagyv: hello? Are you listening? |
| 18:55.13 | Allquixotic | or Fedora decided to rename the binaries, right? |
| 18:55.26 | MetaBookfoziS | sorry i have found the problem in my syslog: ov 28 19:54:44 massin hidd[6492]: Rejected connection from unknown device 00:16:B8:DD:10:B9 |
| 18:55.30 | thiago | Allquixotic: yep |
| 18:55.31 | MetaBookfoziS | i'm going to google. |
| 18:55.44 | thiago | Allquixotic: another alternative is if the package installation is messed up |
| 18:55.50 | nagyv | MetaBookfoziS: hmm, I will check the syslog too! |
| 18:56.00 | BlackBsd | logixol: there is a gtk based tool for ripping dvd's http://www.thoggen.net/ i was wondering if kde has anything similar |
| 18:56.17 | BlackBsd | it ripps into ogg/theora also.. |
| 18:56.20 | Allquixotic | my nspluginscan and nspluginviewer executables in /usr/bin (which are executed first based on the $PATH setting) are 64-bit. This probably explains the cause of the plugin loading problems in Konqueror. |
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| 18:56.32 | Allquixotic | although technically it SHOULD work |
| 18:56.42 | thiago | Allquixotic: no, not really |
| 18:56.50 | thiago | Allquixotic: a 64-bit binary cannot load a 32-bit .so |
| 18:57.03 | Allquixotic | yes! hear me out: nspluginwrapper makes 64-bit ELF shared objects out of 32-bit plugins, and drops them in the plugin folder under /usr/lib64, which Konqueror finds, and loads |
| 18:57.09 | Allquixotic | since my nspluginviewer is 64-bit........ |
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| 18:57.27 | Allquixotic | it seems like everything eventually makes it to 64-bit |
| 18:57.37 | MetaBookfoziS | hm this is a good site! thx nagyv:) |
| 18:57.40 | Allquixotic | it's a mish-mash of two different nsplugin programs that would (theroetically) make it work though |
| 18:57.45 | thiago | Allquixotic: I see |
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| 18:57.57 | thiago | Allquixotic: I had never heard of nspluginwrapper, so I have no idea how it works. |
| 18:58.01 | thiago | and I can't help you with it. |
| 18:58.09 | nagyv | MetaBookfoziS: actually I think remoteJ is better, it does more or less the same things, but you do not have to hack your mobile |
| 18:58.35 | thiago | Allquixotic: the only way to load a 32-bit .so is with a 32-bit binary. That's a fact. |
| 18:58.58 | Allquixotic | thiago: the 64-bit ELF shared objects it creates are named nsplugin.<nameoforiginalso>.so - they use some kind of binary translation and have an identical API to the original library |
| 18:58.58 | nagyv | MetaBookfoziS: btw, could you help me to connect my mobile to the laptop? |
| 18:59.00 | thiago | Allquixotic: so, I imagine nspluginwrapper provides an .so that loads a 32-bit binary, which in turn loads the actual plugin. |
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| 18:59.07 | lenscape | anyone know how to add docs to KDE Help Center? e.g. Python, PostgreSQL, Postfix and Apache all come with comprehensive HTML docs. I'd like to put them in KDE Help Center - much like SuSE does and Kubuntu doesn't. |
| 18:59.33 | MetaBookfoziS | i think we must go to an other room:) #ungarisch ? |
| 18:59.52 | Allquixotic | thiago: I think I will try to strip out the nspluginwrapper completely and try the 32-bit version of nspluginviewer, along with nspluginscan. I will try to obtain these for KDE 3.5.5; do you have a link before I go googling? |
| 18:59.52 | thiago | Allquixotic: but, whatever it is, those .so cannot be loaded. For whatever reason. |
| 19:00.06 | Allquixotic | thiago: Yes, there is an error in the process even though from a sysadmin perspective it makes sense |
| 19:00.10 | thiago | Allquixotic: no link. |
| 19:00.19 | thiago | nspluginviewer is not distributed as a separate program |
| 19:00.39 | Allquixotic | err... :-p ok, time to `find / -mount -name nspluginviewer` |
| 19:00.50 | Allquixotic | maybe, just maybe, it's in another folder as 32-bit |
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| 19:02.11 | Allquixotic | crud! it only found the one binary (and yes, I ran the find as root, and I don't have separate partitions for different parts of the Linux filesystem.) |
| 19:02.31 | Allquixotic | I think the kdebase i386 package distributed by the Fedora project somehow has its own binaries overwritten by the x86_64 version |
| 19:02.53 | Allquixotic | both packages were installed at install-time of the OS, I never explicitly installed them |
| 19:03.04 | benJIman | Use the packages for your rdistribution |
| 19:03.11 | Allquixotic | I am :) |
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| 19:03.14 | Allquixotic | I use Fedora |
| 19:03.42 | benJIman | Use the fedora packages, not random 3rd party ones then. |
| 19:04.01 | Allquixotic | I suspect that if I tried to reinstall kdebase i386 it would give me errors that numerous output files (ahem, anything in /usr/bin) already exists. :P |
| 19:04.18 | Allquixotic | I don't want a 32-bit version of kwin, kfmclient, etc. etc. overwriting my 64-bit version ones, LoL |
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| 19:05.03 | benJIman | Is it not split out in fedora? |
| 19:05.25 | Allquixotic | the two *packages* kdebase_blah_i386 and kdebase_blah_x86_64 are split out. |
| 19:05.34 | Allquixotic | but their install location appears to be /usr/bin in both cases |
| 19:05.39 | Allquixotic | for the binaries |
| 19:05.46 | Allquixotic | there is a /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 |
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| 19:06.05 | Allquixotic | but they don't contain any binaries in subfolders thereof, I did a find on the root of the filesystem, as root, and came up with nothing |
| 19:06.23 | Allquixotic | except that one in /usr/bin |
| 19:06.25 | Allquixotic | of nspluginviewer |
| 19:06.39 | thiago | Allquixotic: note that Konqueror's 64-bit nspluginviewer requires a patch from nspluginwrapper in order to work in 64-bit mode. |
| 19:06.48 | thiago | Allquixotic: do you know if your distribution has patched that? |
| 19:06.55 | Allquixotic | I don't know that, no. |
| 19:07.43 | KRF | someone experienced the same problems with kopete sounds? (don't work after some time) |
| 19:08.37 | thiago | KRF: Kopete uses the same notification system as the rest of KDE. |
| 19:08.38 | Allquixotic | thiago: I also did as you suggested and tried a different plugin. Citrix, Java, and Flash are all equally broken. |
| 19:09.03 | Allquixotic | as well as Acrobat |
| 19:09.11 | KRF | thiago, that's the curious thing. everything else works fine :S |
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| 19:09.28 | Allquixotic | does your artsd still work KRF? |
| 19:09.39 | KRF | i don't have artsd installed |
| 19:09.43 | Allquixotic | hm |
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| 19:10.03 | KRF | kmail and konversation still beep happily, kopete doesn't |
| 19:10.35 | Allquixotic | are you running a 64-bit version? in some distros, with ALSA 64-bit there are some issues with an ALSA application's sound dropping out after a very long time of having a channel open with the dmix plugin |
| 19:10.39 | thiago | KRF: what happens if you use the recommended method (artsd)? |
| 19:11.11 | KRF | Allquixotic, no. running x86 |
| 19:11.23 | KRF | thiago, haven't tried that yet |
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| 19:11.30 | Allquixotic | brb |
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| 19:16.27 | vlad92 | i have a problem; when i start kcontrol as a normal user, i don`t see any option ( Accessibility, LookNFeel, etc); as root i see all this things; i use Mandriva 2006.0 with kde 3.5.5; can someone help me ? |
| 19:16.50 | annma | is your user a new one or is it an upgrade? |
| 19:17.15 | vlad92 | it`s a new one |
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| 19:20.23 | annma | and do all the other kde programs work? |
| 19:21.15 | thiago | vlad92: Mandriva 2006 doesn't have KDE 3.5.5 |
| 19:21.18 | thiago | where did you get yours? |
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| 19:22.24 | annma | ah ;) |
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| 19:24.28 | litb | is there a floor or ceil function in kmlplot? and if no, how can i emulate it? |
| 19:24.42 | annma | vlad92_: where did you get your rpms for kde3.5.5? |
| 19:25.11 | vlad92_ | i`ve compiled it myself |
| 19:25.18 | thiago | vlad92: where did you get the sources from? kde.org? |
| 19:25.25 | vlad92_ | yes |
| 19:25.35 | thiago | try this: |
| 19:25.38 | logixoul | BlackBsd: logixoUl is the name, so i missed your message when you wrote it. yes, k3b 1 beta has this. |
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| 19:27.09 | annma | litb: KmPlot you mean? |
| 19:27.16 | Allquixotic | thiago: I guess I'll stick with Firefox 2.0 i686 since it seems to (mostly) work fine. It doesn't know how to place widgets properly so some flash things are messed up, but it's OK. Thanks for trying to help me though! |
| 19:27.19 | litb | yes := |
| 19:27.20 | thiago | export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=$KDEDIR/etc/xdg XDG_DATA_DIRS=$KDEDIRS |
| 19:27.35 | annma | litb: you have to enter the functions yourself |
| 19:27.37 | thiago | where KDEDIR is where you installed KDE and KDEDIRS is the same as KDEDIR, plus :/usr |
| 19:27.49 | thiago | then run kbuildsycoca |
| 19:28.06 | thiago | Mandriva 2006 completely screws up the KDE menu system |
| 19:28.12 | annma | yes |
| 19:28.15 | litb | annma: and how can i program a ceilfunction using elementa mathematics? |
| 19:28.24 | vlad92_ | yes , i saw this |
| 19:28.44 | annma | litb: not sure KmPlot is the tool you want |
| 19:28.48 | thiago | litb: there's no way |
| 19:29.01 | annma | litb: KmPlot is a student plotting helper |
| 19:29.11 | litb | i'm a student :D |
| 19:29.13 | Allquixotic | Mathematica is SLIGHTLY better ;) |
| 19:29.21 | Allquixotic | doesn't your university have a license of Mathematica?! :P |
| 19:29.30 | litb | don't know... |
| 19:29.37 | annma | well more like 12-17 student for KmPlot |
| 19:29.43 | annma | not advanced math student |
| 19:29.43 | ereslibre | Allquixotic, mathematica is not open source |
| 19:29.55 | Allquixotic | ereslibre: I know :( sometimes that's what you gotta do |
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| 19:30.20 | annma | litb: we're happy to get suggestions for KmPlot though |
| 19:30.23 | ereslibre | litb, you can also use gnuplot directly |
| 19:30.24 | logixoul | lenscape: see the structure of /opt/kde3/share/doc/HTML/* (may be different for your distro/os) and adapt/copy whatever you want to there |
| 19:30.28 | ereslibre | litb, it gives pretty results |
| 19:30.34 | annma | there's an active developer for KmPlot for KDE4 |
| 19:30.39 | ereslibre | litb, lets you draw in 3 dimensions |
| 19:31.24 | thiago | vlad92: another alternative is to remove /etc/xdg |
| 19:31.30 | Allquixotic | is there a KDE project that uses TeTex? (currently I use Texmaker) |
| 19:31.35 | litb | annma: i know.. i read commit-digest too :D |
| 19:32.04 | Allquixotic | well Latex |
| 19:32.09 | annma | so any wish can be fullfilled in the limits of the app |
| 19:32.25 | litb | floor and ceil would be nice to have... |
| 19:32.54 | Allquixotic | haha, annma, I thought you were /asserting/ that any wish can be fulfilled in the limits of some app ;) |
| 19:32.57 | annma | where would we put them? |
| 19:33.05 | annma | Allquixotic: lol, no |
| 19:33.14 | annma | Allquixotic: I limit my power |
| 19:33.16 | Allquixotic | you were starting to sound like the apt developers |
| 19:33.18 | Allquixotic | they have....... |
| 19:33.21 | Allquixotic | SUPER COW POWERS! |
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| 19:33.40 | logixoul | Allquixotic: LyX, but it's not 100% kde iirc |
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| 19:34.14 | Allquixotic | it has its own .org, but let's see if it integrates with KDE well anyway :) |
| 19:34.21 | Sho_ | Allquixotic: Kile |
| 19:34.27 | Allquixotic | :o |
| 19:34.33 | Allquixotic | this is fun |
| 19:34.36 | Allquixotic | app discovery ;) |
| 19:34.42 | Allquixotic | "Oh, I didn't know they had a........" |
| 19:34.43 | BlackBsd | logixoul: thanks for the tip. i have been looking for a way to make my movie collection into mp4's |
| 19:34.46 | Sho_ | http://kile.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:35.01 | annma | litb: gui speaking, where should we do that? |
| 19:35.03 | Sho_ | Kile is probably a best-of-its-class app |
| 19:35.18 | Allquixotic | awesome |
| 19:35.38 | annma | does it make you like latex? |
| 19:35.42 | Allquixotic | I need to do some formal proofs so hopefully it makes it easy to insert "For all", "there exists", and lots of superscripts and subscripts |
| 19:35.48 | logixoul | BlackBsd: so try k3b 1 beta |
| 19:36.06 | Sho_ | annma: It gets really close ;) |
| 19:36.07 | vlad92_ | thiago: it doesn`t work |
| 19:36.14 | BlackBsd | logixoul: would it maybe support ogg/theora in the future? |
| 19:36.21 | BlackBsd | as opposed to xvid |
| 19:36.22 | Ayabara | A while ago I asked: "I installed kpowersave on my system. should I remove the default power manager? Is that the one called simply powersave?" Then I had to go afk, someone answered me and when I came back I had too few scrollback lines to see it. Hit me again? :-) |
| 19:36.36 | Allquixotic | how convenient!!! Kile 1.9.3 is in the FC6 standard repo. I don't have to go compiling?! awesome |
| 19:36.40 | vlad92_ | but if i will copy the /usr/etc/xdg into /var/xdg |
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| 19:37.38 | w0ls0n | where in KDE do you tell the system to save the setting on logout? |
| 19:37.52 | logixoul | BlackBsd: no idea, sorry. i would certainly hope so =) |
| 19:38.07 | logixoul | w0ls0n: what "setting"? |
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| 19:38.13 | w0ls0n | there used to be a checkmark when you hit logout to save settings on exit but it's not there anymore |
| 19:38.30 | logixoul | w0ls0n: kcontrol->kde components->session manager->on login->restore prev session? |
| 19:38.35 | w0ls0n | like for instance I turn my volume down and when I exit and come back its loud again |
| 19:38.43 | litb | annma: gui speaking? huh? |
| 19:39.01 | logixoul | litb: where in the gui would you put a floor/ceil feature? |
| 19:39.09 | annma | how would we implement it in the app? |
| 19:39.10 | logixoul | (GUI=Graphical User Interface) |
| 19:39.18 | annma | logixoul: thanks, yes |
| 19:39.53 | logixoul | w0ls0n: the volume is supposed to be saved unconditionally i think |
| 19:39.54 | litb | kmplot has predefined functions... we could just add them to them |
| 19:40.27 | annma | predefined constants |
| 19:40.35 | annma | no? |
| 19:40.47 | litb | logixoul: i just was iritated what ceil/floor has to do with the gui... they don't need any dialogs, just as sin/cos don't need them... |
| 19:41.01 | logixoul | i agree |
| 19:41.02 | litb | annma: yes, but also functions |
| 19:41.28 | annma | i cannot see them |
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| 19:41.47 | litb | annma: try "f(x)=sin(x)" |
| 19:41.50 | tech9iner | g'day gday all |
| 19:41.52 | logixoul | hiya tech9iner |
| 19:42.11 | tech9iner | any kde mates run konvi on damnsmalllinux somehow perchance ;] |
| 19:42.27 | annma | ok you mean Kmplot plots normal mathematical functions |
| 19:42.44 | Allquixotic | konvi in a framebuffer using Qt Embedded - now that would be funky |
| 19:42.49 | annma | litb: actually the best is to file a wish for it in bugs.kde.org |
| 19:42.56 | litb | int what does it differ from "f(x)=floor(x)" ? |
| 19:43.05 | litb | *in |
| 19:43.51 | litb | i will write it myself... i must be simple i think |
| 19:43.52 | Allquixotic | it differs in the output of the function ;) |
| 19:44.05 | Allquixotic | obviously sin(pi) != floor(pi) hehe |
| 19:44.13 | Allquixotic | the floor of a real number is just the next lowest integer |
| 19:44.19 | annma | ah |
| 19:44.29 | Allquixotic | the ceiling is the next highest integer |
| 19:44.29 | litb | no |
| 19:44.36 | logixoul | no? |
| 19:44.36 | annma | |x| |
| 19:44.51 | Allquixotic | that's the absolute value |
| 19:44.58 | litb | "the next biggest integer smaller than x" = floor(x) |
| 19:45.02 | annma | |x---------- |
| 19:45.04 | annma | oops |
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| 19:45.06 | w0ls0n | I got video to work in linux_firefox with flash. Now when I play them with sound, it crashes |
| 19:45.15 | logixoul | aha yes litb |
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| 19:45.32 | tech9iner | so Allquixotic... would your input imply next to impossible on my old museum quality toughbook cf-71 Pll 366/128ram then?... hehe.. konvi / qt embedded that is please?.. thanks for feedback mate... |
| 19:45.56 | Allquixotic | floor(6.9) = 6 and floor (-6.9) = -7 right? |
| 19:46.25 | logixoul | w0ls0n: which flash ver? |
| 19:46.30 | Allquixotic | tech9iner: As cool as toughbooks are, I only know of a few programs (QtParted being one of them) that run equally well in a framebuffer and in X |
| 19:46.39 | annma | while |x| is always positive and is the integer part |
| 19:46.45 | annma | or something |
| 19:47.10 | Allquixotic | |x| (the absolute value) is positive but can be any real number; it doesn't truncate any decimal places of a real number |
| 19:47.20 | annma | ah |
| 19:47.29 | Allquixotic | well |
| 19:47.33 | Allquixotic | it can be any positive real number |
| 19:47.36 | Allquixotic | or 0 |
| 19:47.42 | w0ls0n | flash 9 |
| 19:47.44 | w0ls0n | and also |
| 19:48.16 | w0ls0n | I keep getting these sound server fatal errors :: cpu overload aborting |
| 19:48.21 | tech9iner | tx then Allquixotic... ill check w me #knoppix mates too.. dsl is quite handy if one knows its secrets.. and im stuck with mobile till my new house lets me get me soho offc backup and running ;].. |
| 19:48.21 | annma | litb: if you code it can you send the patch to kde-edu@kde.org please? |
| 19:48.27 | w0ls0n | theres no way in hell there's CPU overload |
| 19:48.36 | annma | so we can forward port to kde4 |
| 19:48.57 | litb | oh yes :) |
| 19:49.00 | w0ls0n | last pid: 98442; load averages: 0.18, 0.36, 0.40 |
| 19:49.10 | Allquixotic | tech9iner: for DSL try BitchX IRC client. I hate the interface but it may just work for you |
| 19:49.17 | litb | would be only a few number of codes i think |
| 19:49.39 | logixoul | w0ls0n: what's the exact version? 9.0.21.78? this one fixed quite a few crashes |
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| 19:50.10 | Allquixotic | tech9iner: another alternative for the console is irssi |
| 19:50.22 | lenscape | logixoul: Thanks for the info. I'll investigate. |
| 19:50.39 | logixoul | np :) |
| 19:51.36 | tech9iner | perhaps i confused yee Allquixotic.. sorry if yes... but gui dep here ;]]... i miss me last 2 yrs on konvi... using xchat for now.. but pondering if i can get konvi running on dsl was all.. |
| 19:52.00 | tech9iner | bit unrealistic possibly Allquixotic hehe |
| 19:52.02 | Allquixotic | you can, you just need the right dependencies and enough hdd space |
| 19:52.46 | tech9iner | only using bout 1.5g of me hdd on this lappy.. so less i require 7g's or such... maybe i can bugga it out |
| 19:52.57 | Allquixotic | do you have kdebase installed? |
| 19:53.00 | tech9iner | *of me 10g hdd* |
| 19:53.23 | tech9iner | Allquixotic: no.. dsl 3.0.1 frugal install here mate |
| 19:53.40 | w0ls0n | im not sure but it says it was updated in Nov 2006 |
| 19:53.57 | w0ls0n | Flash Player 9 Update beta 2 |
| 19:54.02 | tech9iner | hda1 = swap n like 2g hda2 and bal of 10g hdd = hda3 '/home' Allquixotic |
| 19:54.32 | tech9iner | no worries n again tx for input Allquixotic.. ill digg / google up some kdebase etc bits.. tx |
| 19:54.57 | logixoul | w0ls0n: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency#Mozilla_.28Firefox.29_crash_Issue_with_Flash |
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| 19:55.03 | Allquixotic | tech9iner: it's possible that someone has already built a version of Konversation that is statically compiled so you can just drop it in, but be aware that even that would be on the order of 100 megs, since you'd need most of KDE linked |
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| 19:55.30 | Allquixotic | if you just want Konversation and nothing else of KDE you would have to find out exactly the libs it depends on, grab those, and (to save space) compile with size optimizing gcc |
| 19:55.51 | Allquixotic | then you can kill the build dirs and you're off |
| 19:56.50 | tech9iner | ahhhh... good 2 know Allquixotic.. sounds bit heavy for this weak kneed lappy... i may apply patience for next few wks and just wait for me new house then ;]].. jus being spoiled seems |
| 19:57.08 | pavi | whats up in kde ? |
| 19:57.15 | pavi | when is kde 4 out ? |
| 19:57.22 | Allquixotic | when it's ready? |
| 19:57.24 | Allquixotic | :) |
| 19:58.11 | logixoul | pavi: in 2007 |
| 19:58.31 | pavi | very late :( |
| 19:58.41 | Allquixotic | you don't want them versioning up too fast or they'll be like Mandriva... they have already released 2,006 versions of their OS ;) lol |
| 19:58.55 | logixoul | pavi: you can help get it out sooner |
| 19:59.07 | logixoul | pavi: http://kde.org/getinvolved |
| 19:59.32 | logixoul | ;) |
| 20:00.07 | Allquixotic | god I am so uncomfortable sitting near a 40 foot drop |
| 20:00.13 | Allquixotic | if I fell over I'd like die |
| 20:00.20 | pavi | ya how do I start I know c and java but its all C++ here |
| 20:00.23 | Allquixotic | that glass doesn't look very stable either |
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| 20:00.46 | Sho_ | Allquixotic: 100 MB seems too high a figure |
| 20:01.00 | logixoul | pavi: just follow the link and ask only if you read something unclear there ;) |
| 20:01.22 | Allquixotic | Sho_: if he has no other KDE libs, no OpenSSL, ..... if you were to compile all of that together wouldn't you push 100 megs? or what is KDE's footprint? |
| 20:02.00 | pavi | ok |
| 20:02.20 | w0ls0n | still crashes |
| 20:02.32 | Allquixotic | p.s.- has anyone tried packing their entire /usr/lib/* with UPX? :D |
| 20:02.38 | Allquixotic | talk about space savings hehehe |
| 20:02.43 | Sho_ | tech9iner: Why are you using DSL, anyway? |
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| 20:06.02 | logixoul | w0ls0n: dunno |
| 20:06.50 | pavi | what is kbabel ? |
| 20:07.10 | logixoul | pavi: a translation app for developers |
| 20:07.20 | logixoul | (for people who translate apps) |
| 20:07.33 | logixoul | (hmm is it just me or gtk-qt-engine really slows gtk apps, like, three times?) |
| 20:07.44 | pavi | I wanna create a localised KDE based disctro |
| 20:07.50 | pavi | in telugu language |
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| 20:09.01 | Sho_ | logixoul: I don't really feel a difference between Gtk-Qt-Engine and ClearLooks, but this box is fairly speedy and I don't use GTK apps a lot, plus ClearLooks may simply suck, of course |
| 20:09.20 | Allquixotic | logixoul: I have the gtk-qt-engine package installed, but uh, my Gaim 2.0.0b5 install doesn't appear to be using my KDE theme at all |
| 20:09.36 | benJIman | gtk-qt-engine also breaks keyboard navigation of gtk apps |
| 20:10.17 | logixoul | pavi: check this out http://www.indlinux.org/wiki/index.php/TeluguLog |
| 20:10.50 | Sho_ | Allquixotic: Check the newly-appeared GTK settings page in the Appearance section of KControl (and finally remove Gaim and switch to Kopete ;) |
| 20:10.52 | pavi | ok |
| 20:10.53 | lenscape | logixoul: OK. I've found /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en on Kubuntu which seems to be most of the content but I can't find what defines the structure and layout of the contents panel. Any idea where that is? |
| 20:10.56 | logixoul | Allquixotic: have you checked in kcontrol? maybe it's just disabled |
| 20:11.14 | Allquixotic | it's in there, "Use my KDE style in GTK applications" is checked |
| 20:11.32 | Allquixotic | and I'm not switching to Kopete :P |
| 20:11.58 | Sho_ | your loss ;) |
| 20:12.09 | benJIman | What don't you like about kopete? |
| 20:12.10 | Allquixotic | too many useful plugins for Gaim... same issue with Firefox |
| 20:12.11 | pavi | http://www.indlinux.org/wiki/index.php/TeluguLog is for SWECHA and thats Gnome project while I am creating Kswecha |
| 20:12.18 | Allquixotic | I don't like that Kopete doesn't support my Gaim plugins, lol |
| 20:12.22 | pavi | a KDE based telugu GNU/Linux |
| 20:12.27 | benJIman | what plugins do you use for gaim? |
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| 20:12.41 | Allquixotic | gaim-encryption, psycho mode, history |
| 20:12.50 | benJIman | kopete has encryption and history plugins |
| 20:12.55 | benJIman | not sure what psycho mode is |
| 20:13.02 | Sho_ | sounds scary |
| 20:13.15 | Allquixotic | when someone starts typing to you, before they even send a msg, a conversation window pops up with them and says "You feel a disturbance in the force..." |
| 20:13.23 | Allquixotic | which allows me to send my own customized pounce BEFORE they have a chance to send me a msg |
| 20:13.25 | Allquixotic | and it freaks people out |
| 20:13.43 | benJIman | Heh, that might be possible in kopete, let me see |
| 20:14.22 | Allquixotic | I am also *very* hard to unseat in terms of learning new GUIs - I slipped right into being familiar with Konversation today, but in my past experience with Kopete, it was too... different... from Gaim for me to feel comfy |
| 20:14.23 | Sho_ | (Plus Kopete's encryption integrates well with KGPG and KAddressBook) |
| 20:14.26 | logixoul | pavi: are sure SWECHA is GNOME-only? |
| 20:14.41 | Allquixotic | I am a Thunderbird/Evolution user as well - I didn't like KMail for a number of reasons |
| 20:14.43 | pavi | YA damn sure |
| 20:14.54 | patrice | hi guys (and gals)! OT: anyone know how to specify a date when doing a checkout with git? you know like cvs -D $YOURDATE ? |
| 20:15.03 | pavi | as logixoul I am a member of swecha team and I know all of them |
| 20:15.10 | Sho_ | patrice: KDE doesn't use git, and this isn't even the devel channel ... |
| 20:15.11 | pavi | they are very near to me |
| 20:15.29 | logixoul | patrice: try #git |
| 20:15.36 | patrice | ok thanx |
| 20:15.45 | benJIman | It appears it can't do that ootb, would be a smallish patch if it bothered you enough. |
| 20:15.58 | Sho_ | Allquixotic: I'm not a big fan of KMail either, but I like Kopete; compared to Gaim, it's less clunky, offers superior functionality and flexibility in the areas I care about, and most importantly integrates well with KDE's other PIM facilities and frameworks |
| 20:16.24 | Allquixotic | I don't need Gaim to integrate with KDE's other PIM facilities; I have all I need in the three IM protocol accounts I create in Gaim |
| 20:16.57 | benJIman | You can also use kopete's dcop interface combined with knotify to script it to do nearly anything |
| 20:17.02 | Allquixotic | if gaim-vv ever gets all the uglies worked out, it will blow other Linux IMs out of the water with webcam support in Yahoo and MSN, which is very desirable for me |
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| 20:17.05 | benJIman | which is quite nifty |
| 20:17.24 | benJIman | Allquixotic: kopete has had video support in yahoo and msn for months |
| 20:17.28 | Sho_ | Allquixotic: Kopete already has webcam support, fwiw |
| 20:17.29 | Allquixotic | :o |
| 20:17.34 | Allquixotic | NOWAY :P |
| 20:17.40 | Allquixotic | using your own webcam? |
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| 20:17.51 | benJIman | yes, who elses would it use? |
| 20:17.53 | Allquixotic | through v4l or something |
| 20:17.59 | benJIman | yeah, v4l2 |
| 20:18.10 | Allquixotic | i mean it *could* potentially just be a way to see others' webcams but not allow you to use yours |
| 20:18.14 | benJIman | it also supports voice with jabber via jingle |
| 20:18.16 | Allquixotic | but it also allows you to use yours - damn |
| 20:18.18 | benJIman | ah no it does both |
| 20:18.32 | Allquixotic | have you ever tried it doing a 2-way voice and video conversation? |
| 20:18.34 | Allquixotic | and does it WORK |
| 20:18.47 | benJIman | done video, it doesn't support voice over msn or yahoo yet, only jabber |
| 20:18.52 | logixoul | pavi: the usual course of development would be to join kde's telugu team ( http://l10n.kde.org/team-infos.php?teamcode=te ) instead of doing a special distro =) |
| 20:18.53 | Allquixotic | hmm |
| 20:18.57 | Sho_ | Allquixotic: As for integration with PIM facilities, well, Kopete, KMail and Konversation are all capable of using the same KAddressBook contacts, so the Konversation nicklist can for example display real names and photos from the address book, Kopete can use the GPG key for encryption that I imported into KGPG and that is associated with the contact, and so on - using Gaim in KDE obviously wouldn't get me that |
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| 20:19.27 | tech9iner | ahhh.. Sho_ me hero ;]] |
| 20:19.44 | tech9iner | Sho_: sorry mate.. phone here... just caut ur line/? |
| 20:19.49 | pavi | ok sure |
| 20:20.18 | Allquixotic | Sho_: for like 2.5 years I have been massively using Gnome apps in KDE on various distros; it's what I'm used to; but I'm (slowly) trying the KDE apps that I previously threw out. amarok was first, then Konqueror, then Konversation.... we're getting there I guess |
| 20:20.44 | Sho_ | Allquixotic: I understand, just pointint out what I perceive as advantages =) |
| 20:20.49 | tech9iner | Sho_: had me bldg of 7 yrs sold n sudden move required me to store me soho office n equip.. so tmp using mobile offc via one of me old toughbooks for least sev weeks till my new house is completed.. |
| 20:20.49 | Sho_ | *pointing |
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| 20:21.34 | pavi | But not much work started and I know both of them |
| 20:22.20 | tech9iner | any such as statically compiled lite n lean but usable konvi out there Sho_? |
| 20:22.21 | Allquixotic | does KMail allow you to have a different SMTP server on each email account, and to have SSL or TLS encryption on the SMTP, and to leave POP messages on the server until they are explicitly deleted? |
| 20:22.30 | Sho_ | tech9iner: Not that I'm aware of |
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| 20:22.35 | Sho_ | Allquixotic: Yes |
| 20:22.42 | tech9iner | mk tx tx as always Sho_.. |
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| 20:22.49 | logixoul | lenscape: dunno, sorry. |
| 20:23.09 | qupada | Allquixotic: all of the above |
| 20:23.12 | tech9iner | if you dont know Sho_ color me confident ill not find hehe |
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| 20:23.26 | Half-Left | Yo! |
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| 20:24.33 | lenscape | I've been digging around for a while now, trying to get KDE Help Center actually useful. It's a crime Kubuntu doesn't do a better job of setting this up. |
| 20:24.35 | qupada | indeed. apart from the sudden move of house, how's life? |
| 20:25.38 | blabno | hello, when is xmodmap launched during login ? |
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| 20:26.15 | tech9iner | bit sucky round the edges n all qupada lol.. but all the grrls still want me.. cant complain lmao @ /me |
| 20:26.34 | Allquixotic | question about Kopete :o |
| 20:26.42 | blabno | ? |
| 20:26.45 | Allquixotic | if I enable a global profile and provide a photo, is that now my AVATAR for all the profiles I enable? |
| 20:27.13 | tech9iner | gotta say feels good to be back on line at all qupada .. this upto 2meg EVDO sprint air card pc-5740 just worx where sprint cellular towers be up and avail ;] |
| 20:27.27 | blabno | i gues it is allquixotic |
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| 20:28.20 | tech9iner | n last 3 hours online seems the aircard has lost sig only once.. |
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| 20:28.26 | Allquixotic | oh, and here's a tough question: any plans of Flock-like integration of Photobucket (or other website accounts) into Konqueror? I really, really like Flock, and I intend to make it my main browser once they release Flock 1.0 (FF 2.0 engine) |
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| 20:28.39 | qupada | tech9iner: heh, cellular broadband is great. i've borrowed my dad's cellular modem a couple of times (still waiting on dsl, see), is a 3.6Mbps downstream HSDPA model. is also usb and co-operates just about perfectly with the generic usbserial driver |
| 20:29.23 | tech9iner | damn you suck qupada lol.. and here i thot me upto 2megs was fastest avail usa side o pond hehe |
| 20:29.27 | logixoul | Allquixotic: del.icio.us is integrated, but photobucket isn't planned |
| 20:29.42 | Sho_ | Allquixotic: iirc KDE 3.5.x ships with a del.icio.us sidebar in kdeaddons, and there's some kind of Flickr integration on kde-apps somewhere |
| 20:29.56 | Allquixotic | I have a purchased photobucket account and Flock really deals with that properly |
| 20:30.02 | tech9iner | oh wait tho qupada.. am i recalling foggily that ur not usa side anyway? |
| 20:30.12 | blabno | Does anybody know how can i see output of scripts like xinitrc ? |
| 20:30.12 | Allquixotic | also I use Foxmarks, not delicious, for my bookmarks... I don't feel like changing online services just because of a web browser :-/ |
| 20:30.34 | qupada | tech9iner: well i have a feeling vodafone NZ's network is only dishing out half that, but 3.6Mbps is the reported connection speed. in any case it's actual throughput that matters, and i have seen ~160kB/s through is, which is respectable |
| 20:31.13 | tech9iner | niyice qupada.. indeed.. ur fodder in favor of any adult adoptions perchance? rofl |
| 20:31.32 | Sho_ | Allquixotic: OTOH you might want to lay the blame on the services rather than the web browser - if foxmarks and del.icio.us would have a common API (maybe they already do? dunno), for example, it would be easy for browsers to support both |
| 20:31.43 | logixoul | uhuh foxmarks needs firefox. not for me. |
| 20:32.04 | Allquixotic | well I seem to have fallen into the same black hole as Skype users who have to use Doze |
| 20:32.14 | Allquixotic | except that I have to use Gnome apps/Mozi instead of KDE stuffs |
| 20:32.24 | Sho_ | Allquixotic: Though Skype is available for Linux (and actually uses the Qt toolkit, like KDE) |
| 20:32.36 | Allquixotic | it does? since when :p |
| 20:32.44 | Sho_ | Allquixotic: About a year, I guess? Roughly |
| 20:32.44 | benJIman | There's no video support in the linux skype though |
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| 20:33.07 | Allquixotic | I use SIPphone anyway... it's more or less desktop environment neutral :) |
| 20:33.27 | qupada | an |
| 20:33.30 | Allquixotic | Gizmo client... |
| 20:33.33 | qupada | argh |
| 20:33.52 | Allquixotic | anyone use mp3tunes? it is terrific |
| 20:33.59 | qupada | the thing about skype is though, for all its nasties, it "just works" |
| 20:34.09 | Allquixotic | 56 gb of mp3s uploaded to my mp3tunes locker and no complaints from them |
| 20:34.32 | Sho_ | Don't think I have a use case for mp3tunes |
| 20:34.48 | Allquixotic | do you listen to your tunes on more than one device? :P |
| 20:34.55 | Allquixotic | *a web-enabled device |
| 20:35.09 | Sho_ | Yes, but only devices connected to my file server |
| 20:35.28 | Allquixotic | I have: my laptop, my desktop, my work computer, and my EvDO Samsung SCH-i730 PDAphone |
| 20:35.45 | Allquixotic | when I'm like, walking, I use a streaming playlist from my locker on the phone |
| 20:35.54 | Allquixotic | when I'm using the laptop I either use the collection I have on the hdd or mp3tunes |
| 20:36.00 | Sho_ | Workstation, laptop, and a modded Xbox running the open-source XBMC |
| 20:36.23 | Allquixotic | I commute back and forth from university by train so I have quite a lot of mobile time |
| 20:36.32 | logixoul | Allquixotic: you're streaming music on wireless? you must be rich. |
| 20:36.50 | qupada | surely you'd be better off with a portable music player? |
| 20:36.55 | Allquixotic | mp3tunes helps there, and it also preserves my investment - if I just so happened to obtain an mp3 in a way that I couldn't recover the original medium (free recordings, for instance, or lost/broken CDs) they are preserved |
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| 20:37.09 | Allquixotic | I have unlimited Verizon EvDO... |
| 20:37.19 | Sho_ | My file server has a RAID array, sufficient redundancy for me |
| 20:37.26 | elias_ | I loooove KDE! And especially konqueror!!!! |
| 20:37.29 | qupada | i wouldn't want my phone to have a flat battery when i get an important call because i've spent the last 6 hours listening to music |
| 20:37.38 | logixoul | elias:) |
| 20:37.43 | Allquixotic | I have two batteries |
| 20:37.47 | elias_ | With Nautilus you can't handle ACLs! |
| 20:37.49 | Allquixotic | one is larger than the other in capacity |
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| 20:38.15 | logixoul | Allquixotic: wow, i wish we had that here in god forsaken bulgaria :) |
| 20:38.19 | Allquixotic | the SMALL capacity battery can stream music with the display off for 5-6 hours |
| 20:38.25 | Allquixotic | and I am only commuting 1-2 hours a day |
| 20:38.35 | Allquixotic | the large battery can monitor for cell phone calls for 12+ hours |
| 20:38.44 | elias_ | I mean not only that you can't set them in the permissions GUI, no it even does not even set them correctly in the background! |
| 20:39.11 | pavi | I started with a qt file I compiled by qmake-project but couldnt run check http://pastebin.ca/260952 |
| 20:39.17 | qupada | so by the time you have two batteries, would it not be easier to have two devices? |
| 20:39.21 | Allquixotic | it would be a problem if I had to carry around two batteries for my laptop, but for the phone two batteries is acceptable, since they're tiny |
| 20:39.39 | Allquixotic | the second battery is the size of a saltine cracker |
| 20:39.41 | Allquixotic | or smaller |
| 20:39.50 | Allquixotic | well yes smaller |
| 20:39.50 | elias_ | I have default:group::rwx and default:mask::rwx on my dir and wherever I create a file it is created as 660. Except in nautilus, there it is 600! |
| 20:39.57 | elias_ | what a bullsheit |
| 20:40.08 | Allquixotic | I use cargo pockets :d |
| 20:40.27 | pavi | soem one help with http://pastebin.ca/260952 |
| 20:40.40 | Allquixotic | I am not interested in getting an iPod or anything similar though.... this phone and mp3tunes seems to work just fine. plus I can use god-forsaken Pocket IE 7 to mapquest, etc. while out and about, since I have EvDO |
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| 20:41.22 | qupada | Allquixotic: why not get opera for it then? |
| 20:41.23 | Allquixotic | usually I listen to music on the train while developing offline with the laptop |
| 20:41.25 | elias_ | If I KDE was not crippled in kubuntu I would not waste a minute more in gnome |
| 20:41.31 | Allquixotic | the opera costs money and I'm lazy, qupada :( |
| 20:41.45 | logixoul | pavi: install kde headers. |
| 20:41.49 | elias_ | But unfortunately they castrated KDE to be even worse than gnome in Ubuntu! |
| 20:41.54 | Allquixotic | and I don't use it THAT much - the main (90%) thing I use the phone for is mp3tunes |
| 20:42.11 | Allquixotic | and I literally have unlimited storage since I'm taking from the unlimited-storage locker |
| 20:42.12 | elias_ | You should kick the kubuntu guys asses! |
| 20:42.35 | logixoul | or just get a decent distro :) (seriously) |
| 20:42.46 | qupada | elias_: unfortunately it's up to each distro how they butcher their kde install |
| 20:42.51 | qupada | sad though it may be |
| 20:42.51 | Allquixotic | what I would recommend is Fedora Core 6, elias_ |
| 20:43.08 | pavi | how do I install kde headers ? |
| 20:43.15 | logixoul | from me, openSUSE 10.2, due in 2 weeks, elias_ |
| 20:43.26 | logixoul | pavi: which distro/os do you use |
| 20:43.31 | Allquixotic | FC6 is very KDE/Gnome neutral. They recommend at install-time that you install Gnome (it's the default option), but you can JUST as easily deselect that and select the KDE box instead |
| 20:43.36 | pavi | fc4 |
| 20:43.41 | KRF | thiago, it was the fucking "hide events when away" thing who did not play sounds |
| 20:43.53 | KRF | i'm so stupid :) |
| 20:43.59 | Allquixotic | also, Red Hat's utilities use GTK I think |
| 20:44.17 | logixoul | Allquixotic: i hated their gtk+ admin tools tho... |
| 20:44.26 | Allquixotic | I like some of them, but they're pretty spartan in options |
| 20:44.36 | Allquixotic | when I say I want options, I mean OPTIONS: see amarok for a dictionary definition ;) |
| 20:44.42 | Allquixotic | Gnome hates options >_< |
| 20:44.51 | logixoul | pavi: ask in #fedora |
| 20:44.59 | Allquixotic | pavi |
| 20:45.03 | Allquixotic | I can give you the package name, hang on |
| 20:45.16 | elias_ | I like Ubuntu, since I love dpkg! And many more things they do right, like the installer, ... But I hope the kubuntu people some day understand what people are expecting from a KDE distro! |
| 20:45.39 | pavi | ok |
| 20:45.45 | Allquixotic | pavi: open pirut (the package manager) and install kdebase-devel. |
| 20:45.57 | Allquixotic | that should be all the headers for the kde base packages |
| 20:46.07 | elias_ | SuSE is just to much YAST for me! |
| 20:46.13 | logixoul | (wow - kde-look spam - http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=49336&vote=bad ) |
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| 20:46.26 | elias_ | And Fedora is always several steps behind and just half way baked. |
| 20:46.27 | logixoul | elias_: if it wasn't for yast i'd be using Freespire :)) |
| 20:46.31 | Allquixotic | I might just delete that last "vote=bad" part of that link logixoul |
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| 20:46.44 | Allquixotic | hey, Freespire is cool! :) |
| 20:46.57 | brainiac_ghost | what is KDE 4 (developer snapshot) like? |
| 20:46.58 | pavi | ok I am installing it now by YUM |
| 20:46.58 | pavi | its done |
| 20:46.58 | logixoul | Allquixotic: i assumed everybody would vote bad anyway :) |
| 20:47.01 | pavi | but its for 3.5.2 |
| 20:47.03 | elias_ | Freespire is debian based as well, I like it. |
| 20:47.19 | pavi | brainiac ghost try out yourself :P |
| 20:47.36 | Sho_ | brainiac_ghost: Nothing to see for end users; only of interest if you're developing on an application |
| 20:47.39 | logixoul | brainiac_ghost: crashy and ugly would be the most precise description |
| 20:47.56 | elias_ | what is the command again to open konqueror with the file manager profile? |
| 20:48.00 | tech9iner | hahaha @ qupada 'butcher kde install' .. i.e. suse's silly breakage of firefox since last summer lol |
| 20:48.03 | pavi | logixoul what do I do to make the snapshot running |
| 20:48.06 | benJIman | kfmclient openProfile file management |
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| 20:48.26 | benJIman | filemanagement even |
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| 20:48.47 | brainiac_ghost | heh, anyone got any idea when a vaguely useable build will be released (i like testing :) ) |
| 20:49.01 | logixoul | brainiac_ghost: nobody knows |
| 20:49.11 | Allquixotic | logixoul: I see what you mean now. spam. ok fine |
| 20:49.14 | Sho_ | brainiac_ghost: Not before summer '07 |
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| 20:49.32 | brainiac_ghost | Sho_, o.O sound nice :P |
| 20:50.59 | logixoul | pavi: what snapshot? |
| 20:51.20 | qupada | Sho_: i take it that means northern hemisphere summer. and given it's nearly summer here in the southern hemisphere, that means 6-9 months, i guess |
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| 20:54.23 | pablo_ | hi, is there any soft for editing pdfs or tiffs i need to rotate some pages |
| 20:54.43 | logixoul | pablo_: tiffs - krita |
| 20:55.00 | Sho_ | qupada: yes |
| 20:55.06 | logixoul | pablo_: pdfs - i don't think so |
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| 20:55.37 | logixoul | pablo_: pdfs - kword actually |
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| 20:56.30 | pablo_ | logixoul: ok i will try krita |
| 20:56.31 | elias_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.19 | logixoul | try kfmclient openProfile filemanagement |
| 20:57.45 | logixoul | that might skip the kubuntu "improvements" tho |
| 20:59.03 | Allquixotic | Kopete users: Is there any way to sort my contact list by status? |
| 20:59.03 | Allquixotic | I want the online folks at the top of each group (like in Gaim...........) |
| 21:00.06 | logixoul | Allquixotic: no, but there's a "hide offline folks" option |
| 21:00.13 | Allquixotic | I did that |
| 21:00.16 | Allquixotic | figured that out |
| 21:00.40 | logixoul | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89871 |
| 21:00.53 | logixoul | "That's how the list is actualy sorted." |
| 21:01.50 | Allquixotic | then it would appear there's a bug |
| 21:02.01 | Allquixotic | I have some folks who are idle, then some folks who are online, then some more folks who are idle |
| 21:02.19 | logixoul | grhm, all my contacts are offline - i can't test. |
| 21:02.26 | Allquixotic | do you have AIM? |
| 21:02.30 | logixoul | no |
| 21:02.32 | pablo_ | logixoul: so krita or kword right? |
| 21:02.33 | Allquixotic | Yahoo? |
| 21:02.38 | logixoul | no |
| 21:02.40 | logixoul | jabber only |
| 21:02.42 | Allquixotic | ...... |
| 21:03.05 | logixoul | wha? don't like jabber? |
| 21:03.09 | icwiener_ | yay for jabber! |
| 21:03.09 | Allquixotic | how do you even GET a jabber account? I never figured it out... |
| 21:03.25 | logixoul | well, i use a Google Talk account for that |
| 21:03.30 | benJIman | register on a jabber server |
| 21:03.32 | logixoul | logixoul@gmail.com is the id |
| 21:03.40 | Allquixotic | ah, I have Google Talk (well, gmail) |
| 21:03.40 | benJIman | if you have a gmail account that's a jabber account on google's server |
| 21:03.50 | benJIman | you can get a kdetalk.net one if you want |
| 21:04.10 | Allquixotic | I remember setting up a google talk account on Gaim, but they didn't call it a Jabber account |
| 21:04.12 | icwiener_ | I have an account on jabber.org ... you can register a new account out of kopete, as well. |
| 21:04.39 | Allquixotic | why is KDE 3.5.5 SO much better than I remember at like, 3.0? |
| 21:04.42 | Allquixotic | eesh |
| 21:04.53 | Allquixotic | I've always liked kwin and kicker |
| 21:04.57 | Allquixotic | but Gnome apps were my staple for years |
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| 21:08.37 | pablo_ | logixoul: my tif is a document not a image, will krita be usefull? |
| 21:08.38 | logixoul | i always thought tiffs were images, let me check... |
| 21:09.00 | Allquixotic | logixoul: to connect to the gmail jabber server, do I need SSL support? I don't have the QCA TLS plugin |
| 21:09.14 | Allquixotic | I think maybe pablo means a multi-page TIFF |
| 21:09.30 | logixoul | yes, you need SSL |
| 21:09.53 | Allquixotic | grabbing qca |
| 21:09.59 | Allquixotic | it's in Fedora |
| 21:10.02 | pablo_ | Allquixotic: exactly, multi page tiff |
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| 21:10.49 | P4C0 | hello guys is there a way to put thunderbird on kde system tray? |
| 21:11.34 | pinotree | P4C0: execute it using ksystraycmd |
| 21:11.48 | logixoul | yea, use http://kdocker.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:12.18 | P4C0 | pinotree, thanks |
| 21:12.26 | pinotree | np |
| 21:12.42 | logixoul | nifty! didn't know that, pinotree. |
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| 21:12.53 | pablo_ | logixoul: well, how can i rotate pdf pages in kword |
| 21:12.55 | pinotree | logixoul: it's included in kdebase... |
| 21:13.03 | logixoul | yep, noticed |
| 21:13.06 | P4C0 | I'll love to the se source code of that... how they get the icon... |
| 21:13.48 | logixoul | P4C0: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/ksystraycmd/ |
| 21:14.02 | P4C0 | logixoul, thanks |
| 21:14.05 | logixoul | np |
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| 21:14.18 | Allquixotic | I can't seem to login to my gmail account |
| 21:14.19 | Allquixotic | jabber |
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| 21:14.57 | pinotree | yo dude |
| 21:15.01 | logixoul | Allquixotic: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google%20Talk%20support |
| 21:15.17 | tech9iner | lo pino... |
| 21:17.03 | Allquixotic | logixoul: many thanks! |
| 21:17.03 | logixoul | pablo_: i don't really know, sorry |
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| 21:17.30 | nik7 | *grml* |
| 21:17.34 | logixoul | love to help you go jabber :) |
| 21:17.37 | nik7 | 60mb stuff just for installing beagle/kerry |
| 21:18.06 | Allquixotic | I feel like I'm being converted to a new religion today lol |
| 21:18.09 | Allquixotic | KDE everything O.o |
| 21:18.13 | Allquixotic | this silly channel |
| 21:18.22 | logixoul | ^^ |
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| 21:18.36 | Allquixotic | are you on google talk right now logixoul? |
| 21:19.47 | logixoul | pablo_: maybe check out kooka... just guessing |
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| 21:20.47 | fishsponge__ | there's a script called "/opt/kde3/env/kdewm.sh" that contains one line: export KDEWM=/usr/local/bin/compiz.sh |
| 21:21.58 | fishsponge__ | i'm using KDE 3.5.5-12.2 |
| 21:22.03 | fishsponge__ | i think |
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| 21:22.37 | pinotree | fishsponge__: kde vanilla does not have that - please ask in your distro channel |
| 21:23.01 | Allquixotic | well guys it's been great but I have to start the wifi-less commute home, and while I'm at it I will probably get started on homework.. thanks for the help; I'll be back! *maniacal laughter* |
| 21:23.09 | Allquixotic | one learns a lot in this channel |
| 21:23.16 | logixoul | bye |
| 21:23.25 | Allquixotic | :) |
| 21:24.11 | fishsponge__ | pinotree: so /opt/kde3/env/ does not exist in vanilla KDE? |
| 21:24.24 | pinotree | that one, yes |
| 21:24.29 | pinotree | but not that script |
| 21:24.54 | fishsponge__ | no, i know, but should a script i put in that directory be executed by KDE? |
| 21:25.10 | pinotree | should be |
| 21:25.22 | pinotree | be sure to be +x |
| 21:25.35 | fishsponge__ | what should be +x ? |
| 21:25.41 | pinotree | executable |
| 21:25.44 | fishsponge__ | oh, sorry, permissions, lol |
| 21:25.45 | fishsponge__ | it is |
| 21:25.48 | fishsponge__ | let me double-check |
| 21:26.06 | fishsponge__ | stg-satpro1:~ # ls -l /opt/kde3/env/kdewm.sh |
| 21:26.06 | fishsponge__ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 38 Oct 11 23:04 /opt/kde3/env/kdewm.sh |
| 21:26.06 | fishsponge__ | stg-satpro1:~ # |
| 21:26.09 | fishsponge__ | it's fine... |
| 21:26.21 | Renze | what about the compiz.sh script? |
| 21:26.42 | fishsponge__ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 58 Oct 11 23:02 /usr/local/bin/compiz.sh |
| 21:26.55 | logixoul | fishsponge__: and exactly what's your problem? |
| 21:27.19 | fishsponge__ | problem is that the /opt/kde3/env/kdewm.sh script isn't being executed |
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| 21:30.41 | fishsponge__ | in KDE 3.5.5-12.2 |
| 21:30.51 | logixoul | fishsponge__: maybe this'll be of help http://www.cryptosecurity.net/Suse_T60_DRAFT.htm#XII |
| 21:31.11 | Renze | anything after the 3.5.5 is distro specific |
| 21:36.12 | fishsponge__ | thanks for that URL logixoul, but it doesn't look any different from the instructions i followed here: http://en.opensuse.org/Using_Xgl_on_SUSE_Linux |
| 21:36.38 | logixoul | dunno then |
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| 21:37.03 | fishsponge__ | hmm... |
| 21:37.27 | fishsponge__ | do you know what's happened to the "/opt/kde3/env/" directory in KDE 3.5.5 ? |
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| 21:40.08 | Renze | fishsponge__: the prefix where KDE is installed varies from distro to distro... but the scripts in /usr/kde/3.5/env/ start fine here on gentoo (this path won't exist on your distro) |
| 21:40.35 | fishsponge__ | are you using KDE 3.5.5 though? |
| 21:40.40 | Renze | of course |
| 21:40.51 | fishsponge__ | hmm... how frustrating... |
| 21:40.52 | Renze | built from source |
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| 21:42.50 | Renze | fishsponge__: check the startkde script to see if your distro removed the part that starts the env stuff |
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| 21:43.57 | fishsponge__ | checking... |
| 21:44.19 | logixoul | when executing configure, is the --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` part needed for all kde software or just some of it? |
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| 21:44.52 | logixoul | or just for widgetstyles? |
| 21:44.54 | Renze | logixoul: anything that you want installed in $KDEDIR... you can install elsewhere if you have $KDEDIRS set up |
| 21:45.06 | logixoul | thanks |
| 21:45.08 | fishsponge__ | ok, i think i've found the env stuff in /opt/kde3/bin/startkde, but i'm not entirely sure what it's meant to look like, so whether it works or not, i'm not sure |
| 21:45.59 | Renze | fishsponge__: http://rafb.net/paste/results/XgJ9Vt11.html |
| 21:47.08 | fishsponge__ | hmm... mine is identical to that |
| 21:47.23 | fishsponge__ | what should $prefix be? |
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| 21:47.53 | fishsponge__ | oh, it's the directory, lol |
| 21:47.57 | fishsponge__ | so it should be working... |
| 21:48.00 | Renze | prefix is filled in the for line |
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| 21:51.20 | fishsponge__ | brb, rebooting as test... |
| 21:51.32 | Renze | rewhat? |
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| 21:56.40 | fishsponge__ | nope, no luck... KDE and Xgl still not working properly :-( |
| 21:57.16 | Renze | fishsponge__: open a konsole and type echo $KDEWM |
| 21:57.20 | blabno | hello |
| 21:57.31 | fishsponge__ | returns nothing... which is clearly part of the problem! lol |
| 21:57.38 | blabno | could you tell me if KDE resets keymap on startup ? |
| 21:57.40 | fishsponge__ | sorry, yes it does |
| 21:57.41 | fishsponge__ | lol |
| 21:57.55 | fishsponge__ | rhobbs@stg-satpro1:~> echo $KDEWM |
| 21:57.56 | fishsponge__ | /usr/local/bin/compiz.sh |
| 21:57.56 | fishsponge__ | rhobbs@stg-satpro1:~> |
| 21:58.19 | blabno | i have .Xmodmap file written, it is being parsed, but when i log in the keys do not respond |
| 21:58.22 | Renze | fishsponge__: so it is set... but not honoured |
| 21:58.30 | fishsponge__ | yes |
| 21:58.32 | fishsponge__ | correct |
| 21:58.38 | Renze | fishsponge__: check startkde again to see if $KDEWM is referenced |
| 21:59.16 | fishsponge__ | stg-satpro1:~ # cat /opt/kde3/bin/startkde | grep KDEWM |
| 21:59.16 | fishsponge__ | # if the KDEWM environment variable has been set, then it will be used as KDE's |
| 21:59.16 | fishsponge__ | # if KDEWM is not set, ksmserver will ensure kwin is started. |
| 21:59.16 | fishsponge__ | test -n "$KDEWM" && KDEWM="--windowmanager $KDEWM" |
| 21:59.16 | fishsponge__ | kwrapper ksmserver $KDEWM |
| 21:59.17 | fishsponge__ | stg-satpro1:~ # |
| 21:59.41 | fishsponge__ | so it does seem to be referenced |
| 21:59.47 | blabno | Will nobody help me with that xmodmap issue ? |
| 21:59.48 | Renze | fishsponge__: same as mine |
| 21:59.50 | fishsponge__ | how can i check what is actually running? compiz or kwin ? |
| 22:00.04 | logixoul | press alt+f3 maybe |
| 22:00.12 | logixoul | see if menu shows |
| 22:00.26 | fishsponge__ | logixoul: who u talking to? |
| 22:00.33 | logixoul | you |
| 22:00.35 | fishsponge__ | oh, ok |
| 22:00.39 | fishsponge__ | alt + f3 does nothing |
| 22:00.56 | logixoul | compiz |
| 22:01.05 | fishsponge__ | or a broken kwin maybe? |
| 22:01.07 | fishsponge__ | lol |
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| 22:01.15 | fishsponge__ | isn't there a more fool-proof way? |
| 22:01.31 | Renze | ps ax | grep kwin |
| 22:01.31 | fishsponge__ | ah, ps -ef :-) |
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| 22:01.40 | fishsponge__ | compiz is running, and kwin is not |
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| 22:02.04 | fishsponge__ | but despite compiz.sh being the KDEWM, it still doesn't seem to run properly |
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| 22:02.19 | fishsponge__ | for example, when i login, i have to run gnome-window-decorator manually, or i have no window decorations |
| 22:02.29 | fishsponge__ | but the compiz.sh script should run that automatically |
| 22:02.29 | Renze | fishsponge__: then fix compiz.sh |
| 22:02.41 | fishsponge__ | compiz.sh is perfect, it contains one line: |
| 22:03.00 | Renze | are you following a howto? |
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| 22:03.15 | fishsponge__ | /usr/bin/compiz gconf & /usr/bin/gnome-window-decorator & |
| 22:03.18 | Sho_ | fishsponge__: With KDE you probably want to use Aquamarine, which is a window decorator for compiz/beryl that can load KDE decos and use KDE deco settings |
| 22:03.34 | fishsponge__ | i've followed a how-to already, and got it working long ago. it was the upgrade to KDE 3.5.5 that broke it |
| 22:03.35 | Renze | fishsponge__: split that into two lines |
| 22:04.35 | fishsponge__ | ok, but it worked before KDE 3.5.5 |
| 22:04.45 | fishsponge__ | it worked on my old KDE version... (i forget the exact number) |
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| 22:05.20 | fishsponge__ | ok, /usr/local/bin/compiz.sh now contains two lines: |
| 22:05.32 | fishsponge__ | /usr/bin/compiz gconf & |
| 22:05.32 | fishsponge__ | /usr/bin/gnome-window-decorator & |
| 22:05.44 | fishsponge__ | log out, init 3, init 5, login again? |
| 22:05.52 | fishsponge__ | or just log out and in again? |
| 22:05.54 | Renze | you probably want to put #!/bin/sh as the first line |
| 22:06.05 | fishsponge__ | ok, done |
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| 22:06.31 | fishsponge__ | can i just log out and in again, or so i need to init 3, init 5 ? |
| 22:06.40 | Renze | logout and login |
| 22:06.43 | fishsponge__ | ok, brb |
| 22:07.14 | blabno | hey, guys, would you mind helping with xmodmap problem ? |
| 22:07.36 | blabno | kde seems to resed keymap on each session start |
| 22:07.54 | Renze | so run xmodmap from ~/.kde/Autostart/ |
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| 22:08.52 | blabno | but why .Xsession from /opt/kde/share/config/kdm does not work ? |
| 22:08.56 | fishsponge__ | no luck... same result |
| 22:09.14 | Renze | blabno: because it has to be done *after* KDE settings have been loaded |
| 22:09.39 | blabno | so where should i put my xmodmap script ? |
| 22:09.54 | Renze | blabno: I already told you... ~/.kde/Autostart/ |
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| 22:10.10 | fishsponge__ | any other ideas Renze? |
| 22:10.19 | blabno | ok, Renze, i will try |
| 22:10.25 | blabno | thank you very much |
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| 22:10.41 | Renze | blabno: no problem |
| 22:10.47 | Renze | fishsponge__: nope |
| 22:10.55 | fishsponge__ | bugger :-( |
| 22:11.04 | Renze | fishsponge__: I don't use any nasty hacks like compiz... I can wait for KDE4 and a real solution ;) |
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| 22:11.27 | fishsponge__ | frustrating thing is, it worked fine on my previous version of KDE, but not 3.5.5 |
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| 22:12.00 | _bear | hi bye |
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| 22:12.26 | logixoul | o.O |
| 22:12.49 | fishsponge__ | that's it - 3.5.1 worked fine, 3.5.5 doesn't work |
| 22:12.57 | fishsponge__ | i wonder what's changed |
| 22:13.24 | Renze | no idea... but there are plenty of people that have KDE 3.5.5 working with those nasty hacks ;) |
| 22:13.44 | fishsponge__ | i would love to find some of them! lol |
| 22:14.19 | Renze | I think most of them use beryl instead of compiz, and AIGLX (or latest nvidia driver) instead of Xgl |
| 22:14.33 | fishsponge__ | what is this beryl thing? |
| 22:14.40 | logixoul | a compiz fork |
| 22:14.46 | Renze | it's a fork of compiz that doesn't need all the gnome crap |
| 22:14.48 | fishsponge__ | is Xgl being obsoleted by AIGLX or something? |
| 22:14.51 | fishsponge__ | ah, ok |
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| 22:15.00 | logixoul | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager) |
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| 22:15.16 | logixoul | WOW!!! |
| 22:15.24 | Renze | fishsponge__: obsoleted? no, but AIGLX is already included in Xorg 7.1 and higher |
| 22:15.25 | logixoul | look at that damn screenie |
| 22:15.57 | fishsponge__ | have u not seen Xgl etc... logixoul? |
| 22:16.09 | logixoul | only several screenshots |
| 22:16.10 | hermier | logixoul, it's a well known window effect, nothing new :p |
| 22:16.22 | Renze | fishsponge__: AIGLX can do everything Xgl can, and it doesn't need a whole new Xserver |
| 22:16.23 | logixoul | but they had nothing like that, just a gay cube or something |
| 22:16.59 | hermier | the cube is just one of the *effect* |
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| 22:17.12 | logixoul | i heard, but hadn't seen :) |
| 22:17.35 | fishsponge__ | um, yeah, the cube is the most simplistic of the effects. Xgl etc... is very cool IMHO |
| 22:17.36 | logixoul | i'll have to try this beast these days |
| 22:17.38 | hermier | there are screenies of burning windows when closed |
| 22:17.45 | logixoul | woah |
| 22:17.51 | fishsponge__ | but NOT when you're upgrading from KDE 3.5.1 to 3.5.5!! |
| 22:17.56 | logixoul | :D |
| 22:18.47 | fishsponge__ | oh sod this, i've had enough of KDE and Xgl for one evening, i'm going to bed and leaving my laptop broken :-( |
| 22:18.50 | fishsponge__ | thanks for the help ppl |
| 22:18.53 | fishsponge__ | it's appreciated |
| 22:18.55 | fishsponge__ | see ya! |
| 22:18.56 | Pinaraf | hermier: https://lg3d.dev.java.net ? |
| 22:19.42 | hermier | Pinaraf, something alike |
| 22:20.45 | hermier | I saw an interesting thing in smalltalk, with portal over workspace |
| 22:21.32 | hermier | you are in a workspace (universe), you put some objects (windows/3D model) inside |
| 22:21.45 | hermier | you can interact with them |
| 22:22.09 | hermier | and wehn you want to create a new workspace, you create a portal to a new workspace |
| 22:22.53 | hermier | but I only saw screenshots of it :S |
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| 22:23.56 | logixoul | somewhere (aseigo's blog?) i read 2d was optimal for gui and it was quite convincing |
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| 22:24.24 | logixoul | (optimal in intuitiveness) |
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| 22:25.00 | hermier | I don't say the contrary since hour screens are flat 2D objects |
| 22:25.06 | tech9iner | ugh |
| 22:26.05 | qupada | while `true`; do [connect command]; done |
| 22:26.05 | qupada | :D |
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| 22:28.43 | qupada | tech9iner: what app are you using for connecting? something like wvdial |
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| 22:30.39 | Mitja | Does kmail support ssh tunneling for remote Maildir? |
| 22:30.54 | tech9iner | had to create me own script via evdoforums.com's kenfinder pc-5740 howto here qupada.. acts like a modem vs typical prism2_cs module does on my old pc-8430 card did qupada |
| 22:31.16 | tminos | anybody know of a way to setup a keybinding in KDE(/apps) to make the right-click menu popup on the selected item (namely, the currently selected item in kmail) |
| 22:31.20 | tech9iner | qupada: thus i just xterm run cli 'pppd call sprint' here |
| 22:31.43 | tech9iner | lol @ /me some'ore here qupada hehe.. iow i use ppp huh lol.. |
| 22:32.03 | logixoul | tminos: you mean rebind the usual "menu" key (under the right Shift) to something else? |
| 22:32.13 | tminos | logixoul: yep. I don't have that key.. |
| 22:32.21 | tech9iner | but when sig drops.. i find i must rerun it manually... must be a path for some kinda looped auto redial of sorts prolly |
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| 22:33.21 | qupada | tech9iner: most cellular modems do, i guess the advantage with the HSDPA one is it can drop back to whatever technology they use for their 384kbps wireless, then in really extreme situations can drop back to 56k GPRS, so it's very difficult to lose the connection altogether |
| 22:33.54 | tech9iner | qupada: sorry.. phone a sex.. brb |
| 22:34.26 | tminos | I've tried rebinding "Popup Menu Context" in kcontrol but it doesn't seem to do anything at all for me |
| 22:35.45 | logixoul | tminos: try restarting kde |
| 22:36.34 | logixoul | (doesn't work here either) |
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| 22:39.38 | tminos | hm |
| 22:39.48 | tminos | as much as this sounds like hitting alt-F4 will fix it, I guess it's worth a try |
| 22:40.32 | Renze | I wonder if tminos is using kwin ;) |
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| 22:43.02 | tminos | hm, that didn't work at all either |
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| 22:45.22 | logixoul | maybe http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109880 can be of help (if decyphered o.O) |
| 22:46.21 | tminos | talk about strange |
| 22:46.28 | tminos | I don't have a numberpad either.. |
| 22:46.42 | tminos | and pressing "5" doesn't bring it up, even when it's set to the default |
| 22:46.44 | logixoul | you dont?! where can i get such a keyboard? |
| 22:47.00 | logixoul | what model is it? |
| 22:47.17 | tminos | "Happy Hacker Keyboard" |
| 22:47.25 | logixoul | *googles* |
| 22:47.53 | tminos | Christmas gift from some time ago. Normally I use mutt for mail but my (expletives) managers decided to force everybody to start top-posting from now on so I've started using kmail |
| 22:49.01 | logixoul | tminos, i've been looking for this since about an year... thanks! |
| 22:49.13 | logixoul | for* |
| 22:49.33 | a9913 | tminos: i think i know of a way to do that |
| 22:49.37 | a9913 | just a sec |
| 22:50.04 | tminos | logixoul: they make cheaper ones than these.. I don't see how they can charge $80 for them. I didn't pay, so I guess I can't complain. You can find similiar ones for $40 or so (wireless, too) |
| 22:50.21 | logixoul | i hope so :) |
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| 22:51.29 | a9913 | tminos: run xev in a terminal, press the key you want to bind it to and note the keycode of the key |
| 22:52.12 | a9913 | tminos: then, do `echo keycode <keycode> = Menu | xmodmap -' |
| 22:52.18 | a9913 | that should do it |
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| 22:54.04 | tminos | awesome |
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| 22:57.33 | litb | hmm.. what does "PPP" mean in the printer's world? |
| 22:58.42 | litb | no entry in wikipedia for that .oO |
| 22:58.43 | logixoul | my guess is: Point-to-Point Protocol, over which the data is transmitted (across PCs?) |
| 22:59.05 | logixoul | ooh |
| 22:59.09 | logixoul | Print Properties Pro |
| 22:59.13 | logixoul | something from novell |
| 22:59.16 | litb | my guess s it's not, since i can choose 600PPP or 1200x600 PPP for my printer's output... |
| 22:59.38 | logixoul | pixelsPerPage then? |
| 22:59.39 | Renze | shouldn't that be DPI or PPI? |
| 23:00.29 | Renze | dots per inch or pixels per inch |
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| 23:00.29 | towlieban | hi |
| 23:00.30 | logixoul | or pixelsPerPicometer? |
| 23:00.30 | litb | it's written like that in the printer settings dialog |
| 23:00.30 | towlieban | does anyone here use gentoo ? |
| 23:00.30 | Renze | towlieban: yes, but gentoo questions belong in #gentoo |
| 23:01.03 | logixoul | hi towlieban |
| 23:01.14 | litb | the problem is, when i choose 1200x600PPP, the text is too large for the paper. and instead of printing the text sharper ad with a higher resolution, it prints the text with the same resolution and far too wide for the paper |
| 23:01.17 | towlieban | i started compiling kde from source (using gentoo's emerge command) 16 hours ago and it is still compiling. is that normal ? the laptop is 2ghz with 1GB ram |
| 23:01.50 | Renze | it takes about 8-10 hours on my 1.5GHz Athlon XP with 512MB |
| 23:01.53 | logixoul | litb: so this couldn't be it http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tools/13504.html ? |
| 23:01.59 | towlieban | weird |
| 23:02.01 | Renze | but you might have a celeron |
| 23:02.07 | qupada | towlieban: 'emerge kde' ? |
| 23:02.11 | towlieban | yep |
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| 23:02.36 | litb | no definetly not :) |
| 23:02.57 | towlieban | litb are you talking to me |
| 23:03.18 | qupada | 16 hours might be pushing it at 2GHz, even celerons shouldn't be *that* slow. although factor in slow (if it came with a celery, likely a 4200rpm) 2.5" drive, etc |
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| 23:03.44 | litb | towlieban: no, to logixoul. sorry i forgot to mention his nick... |
| 23:03.54 | towlieban | its an amd64 processor. i think the HD is 4200rpm though |
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| 23:04.18 | litb | it means "points par pouce" |
| 23:04.23 | qupada | towlieban: do you know how far through it is? if you've got a gui console it will say it in the title, otherwise at the start of merging each package will see "emerging xx of xx: packagename" |
| 23:04.33 | litb | now, we only have to knw what a "pouce" is... |
| 23:04.37 | Renze | litb: french? |
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| 23:04.47 | litb | no idea :) |
| 23:04.50 | towlieban | qupada i dont know atm because i am not at home. only asked my wife to see if there was text scrolling by |
| 23:04.54 | Renze | looks like french |
| 23:05.04 | towlieban | which there is a lot of it scrolling.... |
| 23:05.22 | logixoul | pouce==thumb/big toe --Wiktionary.org |
| 23:05.27 | Renze | pouce is french for inch |
| 23:05.47 | Renze | according to google translate |
| 23:06.10 | Renze | so it's points per inch |
| 23:06.11 | litb | ah, so it is supposed to actually mean "Points per Inch" |
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| 23:06.56 | qupada | towlieban: well then my only advice is it will be done when it's done |
| 23:07.18 | litb | ok, bye ^^^ thx for help :) |
| 23:07.34 | towlieban | qupada i know. i'll check the packge # of # message when i get home. |
| 23:07.43 | towlieban | is there a way to pause the text as its scrolling by |
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| 23:08.23 | Renze | towlieban: shift-pgup kinda works as a pause |
| 23:08.45 | towlieban | not while text is scrolling by... |
| 23:08.50 | Renze | works here |
| 23:09.06 | Renze | I use it while emerging all the time |
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| 23:17.05 | tech9iner | lol @ Renze/french bits hehe |
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| 23:17.32 | Renze | I only know enough to fake it |
| 23:19.04 | qupada | i can figure out words where an english word is derived from french (or indeed some other languages), that's about where my knowledge of french stops too |
| 23:19.36 | Renze | cinq pouces? |
| 23:23.23 | Renze | yes, the pronunciation is weird ;) |
| 23:24.11 | tech9iner | not via lips of loverly french lassie tho Renze... ooo lala indeed hehe.. |
| 23:24.25 | tech9iner | albeit this premise crosses many a language hehe |
| 23:24.32 | Renze | the english don't know what tongues are for ;) |
| 23:24.45 | tech9iner | the messenger makes all the diff for us bitch'elors |
| 23:25.01 | tech9iner | lmao @ Renze.. nicely put lad ... |
| 23:25.14 | tech9iner | hahaha |
| 23:25.39 | tech9iner | signoff lmao.. new 'give a man a fish...' bits lol |
| 23:25.50 | Renze | anywho... time to go to my appointment... adios! |
| 23:26.13 | tech9iner | ciao4now Renze |
| 23:27.44 | tech9iner | any 'airsnort on modem like pc-5740 wifi pcmcia card using ttyACM0 module' afficianados bored to tears and generous perchance? |
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| 23:28.39 | tech9iner | seems airsnort made for / defaults to scanning for typical wlan bits vs tty... no clues if possible |
| 23:29.58 | tech9iner | or if alternate app/utility for ttyACM0 bits to monitor sprint EVDO connection speeds / signal strength / etc ? |
| 23:30.01 | qupada | lemme get this straight? it connects like a dialup modem via /dev/ttyACM0 (cdc-acm driver), do you need a 'phone number', username or password to make the connection? |
| 23:30.42 | tech9iner | qupada: spot on mate as usual hehe.. it actually does use pppd script to dail my acct's cellular tower phone number indeedy |
| 23:30.52 | tech9iner | dial even |
| 23:31.03 | qupada | ok, so install wvdial and give it a shot |
| 23:31.51 | tech9iner | wvdial eh.. the public library's it dept guy just ref'd to same via phone call bout tux wifi probs qupada lol.. small world shiite hehe |
| 23:31.58 | tech9iner | tx qupada |
| 23:32.11 | qupada | do you get two virtual serial ports or just one? the cellular modem i used made ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1, i assume the second one could be used for montoring it |
| 23:32.34 | tech9iner | not sure qupada.. have a cli in xterm path to confirm? |
| 23:32.52 | qupada | no |
| 23:32.53 | tech9iner | or moot if wvdial worx perhaps... |
| 23:33.06 | tech9iner | ill google up wvdial on dsl 3.. tx |
| 23:33.21 | qupada | i'm pastebinning my wvdial.conf, you can probably modify it to get something that works |
| 23:33.27 | qupada | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/0X2O3v81.html |
| 23:33.32 | tech9iner | niyice tx qupada.. |
| 23:33.58 | qupada | notice the cool phone number... *99***1# |
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| 23:34.35 | tech9iner | lmao qupada.. yepper.. liked that swiss bank acct line too mate hehe |
| 23:35.00 | qupada | the init string? |
| 23:35.01 | tech9iner | no worries qupada.. you can trus me lad.. imyer buddy! |
| 23:35.06 | qupada | yeah that's awesome too |
| 23:35.09 | jeekl | Does anyone know how one splits a konqi window into two parts using DCOP? |
| 23:35.33 | tech9iner | lol |
| 23:36.13 | tech9iner | hehe.. me twisted brain is parsing worthless vanity nick play again ... '''jeek1doe''' hehe |
| 23:36.40 | qupada | speaking of things in $USD, you just reminded me i need to find a minipci wireless card on ebay |
| 23:37.38 | tech9iner | glad 2b of srvc qupada heehee |
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| 23:37.54 | tech9iner | qupada: that'll be 19.95 please ;] |
| 23:38.01 | tapas | what font am i missing if i see empty squares instead of some symbols i.e. on this page: |
| 23:38.05 | tapas | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemannian_metric |
| 23:38.22 | tapas | "at any point t_0 ?? (0,1)" |
| 23:38.39 | tapas | [using konqueror] |
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| 23:38.43 | logixoul | DejaVu and Gentium have a huge coverage of Unicode |
| 23:38.56 | logixoul | so does GNU Unifont, but it's ugly |
| 23:40.52 | logixoul | good night people. |
| 23:41.12 | tapas | was that answer for me? |
| 23:41.17 | logixoul | yep |
| 23:41.33 | tapas | ok, checking which debian packages i should install :) |
| 23:42.55 | tapas | will a page reload in konq do after installing the unicode package? |
| 23:43.10 | logixoul | i don't think so |
| 23:43.23 | logixoul | afaik a x restart is needed |
| 23:43.31 | tapas | urgl |
| 23:43.31 | tapas | ok |
| 23:45.06 | tapas | ok, the unicode package didn't help [even after x restart] |
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| 23:53.52 | john_b | tapas: you may need to restart your font service if you're using one |
| 23:53.55 | john_b | xfs, etc |
| 23:54.06 | john_b | I'm not sure if KDE has its own, I'm a relatively new KDE convert myself |
| 23:54.32 | edge | Distro:Gentoo , i need help setting up kde to allow remote logins, i just emerge kde-base, and i now need to configure it so i can TightVnc to it, has anybody have some experence with this? |
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| 23:56.21 | tapas | ok, in firefox the fonts work ;) |
| 23:58.08 | PhilRod | edge: for vnc, you just set up vnc as described in the vnc documentation, and set the session type (or whatever it calls it) to run 'startkde' |
| 23:58.23 | edge | PhilRod, u wouldn't by chance have those docs? |
