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| 00:00.08 | XVampireX | is Decibel still alive? |
| 00:00.08 | lotyrin | Is there an easy way to make a command run during kde startup, during the part where the splash screen is displayed? |
| 00:00.11 | Dr_willis | Yea.. so far the artical is about OS5 for the amiga.. that is aparently not even started on yet... |
| 00:00.25 | Dr_willis | They could take the Linux Kernel and run with it! :) |
| 00:00.32 | XVampireX | Sho_: Any ideas what Projects are still alive and which are dead? I heard Tenor is dead, is that it? |
| 00:00.37 | Dr_willis | but wait.. then they would have to GPL the OS... darn.. :) |
| 00:00.42 | Dr_willis | or would they? |
| 00:00.47 | lotyrin | they wouldn't |
| 00:01.00 | lotyrin | just any kernel modules they wanted to load. |
| 00:02.06 | Dr_willis | Yea - once the stuff gets that complex.. i get confused about how the GPL starts working. |
| 00:02.24 | Dr_willis | reading the artical = lot of fluff and rambing.. and no real info.. |
| 00:02.39 | Dr_willis | Im betting its more "heres the new amiga.... oh where did it go" stuff. |
| 00:02.42 | lotyrin | well, even bash runs outside the kernel, so it COULD be non GPL. |
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| 00:04.25 | Dr_willis | Seems the Next amiga OS will be for the PPC -> "There is a great deal of opportunity staying with PPC " |
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| 00:04.33 | Dr_willis | may as well shoot it in the head now. :() |
| 00:04.38 | Dr_willis | But i am a pessimessist. |
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| 00:05.20 | lotyrin | There are alot of amiga binaries with with PPC instructions. |
| 00:05.36 | lotyrin | So if they switch arch's and OS it' |
| 00:05.42 | lotyrin | s not really Amiga anymore. |
| 00:06.42 | lotyrin | And instead of moving to that, the users would just move to a platform with like, modern apps. :P |
| 00:08.47 | Dr_willis | yea - ive never owned a ppc thing for the amiga.. and doubt if i ever will. |
| 00:09.03 | Dr_willis | hardware shouldent matter.. make the OS run on whatever :) |
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| 00:09.34 | Dr_willis | actually - i recall some OS that ran on top of linux or windows. that acted a lot like the amiga os.. but i never can rember its name. |
| 00:09.35 | lotyrin | Java? |
| 00:09.45 | Renze | uae ? |
| 00:09.46 | lotyrin | not the emu thing. |
| 00:10.03 | lotyrin | but your "OS and apps run everywhere" |
| 00:10.06 | Dr_willis | it wasent an amiga OS or an emulator. it was like a nother layer on top of the os. |
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| 00:10.33 | Dr_willis | i NEVER can rember its name. it used drive 'names' like the amiga and so forth. |
| 00:10.33 | Renze | amiwm? :D |
| 00:10.49 | lotyrin | 'emu' is easier to say than '...transparent.... api... mapping......'. |
| 00:10.53 | lotyrin | :) |
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| 00:11.35 | Dr_willis | gee that Interview with Bill McEwen really asked some HARD questions..... |
| 00:11.59 | Dr_willis | 12.) Can we expect to use a modern browser on OS5 once it is released? |
| 00:12.00 | Renze | like "why are you even bothering?" ? :D |
| 00:12.03 | Dr_willis | BM>> Absolutely. This is a must. |
| 00:12.52 | Dr_willis | i wish i could rember that virtual os that ran on top of linux... i rember it every so often.. then never can rember its name :) |
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| 00:19.32 | daniele_ | hola |
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| 00:32.12 | s0| | can someone help me install KDE I am about at the end of my rope trying to get this POS to work... (the POS being APT) |
| 00:33.05 | s0| | hello? |
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| 00:36.58 | xororand | hi |
| 00:37.32 | xororand | can i make the fish:// or sftp:// kioslave use ~/.ssh/config like many other fish/scp/sftp clients? |
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| 01:24.45 | _Nothing_ | "Use xmodmap to remap the Win key. An appropriate command is xmodmap -e 'keycode n=Menu'." |
| 01:25.21 | _Nothing_ | im trying to execute xmodmap -e 115 n=Menu in Konsole but im getting an error |
| 01:25.31 | _Nothing_ | xmodmap: unknown command on line commandline:0 |
| 01:25.51 | Renze | try xmodmap -e 'keycode 115=Menu' |
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| 01:26.46 | _Nothing_ | I still get an error: xmodmap:xmodmap: unknown command on line commandline:0 xmodmap: 1 error encountered, aborting. |
| 01:27.18 | _Nothing_ | oh without the n |
| 01:27.20 | _Nothing_ | ;) |
| 01:27.26 | Renze | well obviously |
| 01:27.29 | Renze | sheesh |
| 01:27.43 | _Nothing_ | well damnit, still get an error |
| 01:27.58 | _Nothing_ | no wait |
| 01:28.01 | Big_Eddy | Menu |
| 01:28.02 | _Nothing_ | yeah im just blind |
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| 01:28.20 | _Nothing_ | Thanks :) |
| 01:28.32 | Renze | no problem... aren't man pages grand? |
| 01:28.42 | _Nothing_ | but i did read it |
| 01:28.52 | Renze | so did I - just now |
| 01:29.09 | _Nothing_ | .. im blind man 0_o |
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| 01:34.31 | _Nothing_ | If my keyboard has two MS Windows keys, and I want to change both MS Windows keys |
| 01:34.41 | _Nothing_ | xmodmap -e 'keycode 115=Menu' <-- for left MS Windows key |
| 01:34.55 | _Nothing_ | xmodmap -e 'keycode 116=Menu' <-- for right MS Windows key |
| 01:35.03 | _Nothing_ | Does that look right to ya's? |
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| 01:35.15 | Renze | put the stuff between the '' in a file and use xmodmap <filename> |
| 01:35.30 | Renze | it's simpler |
| 01:35.50 | Renze | I use my win keys as qualifiers, so I have no idea what you're trying to do |
| 01:36.32 | _Nothing_ | :\ |
| 01:36.40 | Dr_willis | me too |
| 01:36.55 | Renze | my win keys are Super_L and Super_R |
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| 01:40.29 | _Nothing_ | Didnt work oh well |
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| 01:45.03 | Schalken | is the ability to log out and back in with all your apps still open specific to KDE or to distribution? |
| 01:45.23 | Renze | session management is a KDE thing |
| 01:45.49 | Schalken | so kubuntu is likely to have this feature? |
| 01:46.15 | Tm_T | Schalken: if you mean reopening apps, then yes ofcourse |
| 01:46.19 | Renze | unless they have disabled it, as they seem to disable many of KDE's features |
| 01:46.28 | Tm_T | haven't seen any distro keeping apps running really |
| 01:47.42 | Schalken | what do you mean 'keeping apps running really'? |
| 01:50.11 | Tm_T | Schalken: when you logout from KDE, all apps will be shut down (apps that does run inside KDE session that is) |
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| 01:50.28 | _Nothing_ | hey do you mean like when you log out and then log back in all your previously running things are closed |
| 01:50.34 | Tm_T | but KDE does keep track of it and start all back up when you login |
| 01:51.02 | Schalken | Tm_T: thats what i wanted :D, thanks! |
| 01:51.03 | Tm_T | so it's like they're been running all the time, sort of |
| 01:51.08 | Schalken | yep |
| 01:52.20 | Schalken | just out of curiosity, what distros are people running? |
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| 01:52.31 | i_is_cat | opensuse 10.0 |
| 01:52.32 | luke-jr_ | looking for a GPS/mapping program for KDE? |
| 01:52.35 | i_is_cat | teh os of champeenz |
| 01:52.38 | luke-jr_ | any ideas? |
| 01:52.53 | Renze | gentoo |
| 01:52.56 | i_is_cat | kgps |
| 01:53.01 | Renze | luke-jr_: sorry, no idea |
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| 01:53.46 | Schalken | luke-jr_: theres google earth, but that doesnt integrate with the DE. |
| 01:54.44 | luke-jr_ | Schalken: it's also proprietary |
| 01:54.53 | luke-jr_ | i_is_cat: where is that? |
| 01:55.39 | Renze | I suspect i_is_cat is just spouting nonsense |
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| 01:58.15 | Renze | ah, I found a kgps... but it is for a specific model of gps receiver and hasn't been updated since 1999 |
| 01:58.21 | luke-jr_ | :/ |
| 01:59.02 | Schalken | yikes |
| 01:59.03 | luke-jr_ | so pre-KDE3 |
| 01:59.09 | Renze | very very pre |
| 01:59.37 | luke-jr_ | I would have been happy with gpsdrive if it worked as advertised ;p |
| 01:59.48 | luke-jr_ | but it won't show any maps or do much of anything :( |
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| 02:01.22 | Schalken | i_is_cat: do you prefer opensuse 10.0 over 10.1? |
| 02:01.28 | IceD^^ | somebody reviewed changelog of coming kde-3.5.5> |
| 02:01.32 | IceD^^ | ? |
| 02:02.15 | IceD^^ | I'm particulary interested in netwm compat improvements |
| 02:03.03 | Renze | IceD^^: point releases are usually bugfix releases, and not new feauture releases - although there is a new version of kopete included |
| 02:03.13 | Renze | feature* |
| 02:03.29 | IceD^^ | Renze: I know :) |
| 02:03.38 | luke-jr_ | Renze: GTalk? |
| 02:03.40 | IceD^^ | but there are bugs in netwm compat for sure |
| 02:03.47 | Renze | luke-jr_: pardon? |
| 02:03.56 | luke-jr_ | GTalk support? |
| 02:04.13 | Renze | google talk support is there, although I can't get it working in 0.12.2 |
| 02:04.24 | luke-jr_ | it is? o.o |
| 02:04.27 | Schalken | in what year is kde4 intended to be released? |
| 02:04.33 | Renze | 2007 |
| 02:04.46 | Schalken | Renze: early or late? |
| 02:04.53 | Renze | luke-jr_: like I said, I can't get it to work |
| 02:04.59 | Renze | Schalken: probably somewhere in the middle |
| 02:05.10 | Schalken | Renze: ah okay cool |
| 02:05.45 | Renze | Schalken: you could just as easily have asked 'how long is a piece of string?' :) |
| 02:06.08 | Schalken | Renze: yeah lol |
| 02:06.20 | Renze | "long enough, if you're lucky" |
| 02:09.01 | Schalken | i cant see it in the feature plan, but are they intending KWin to have further compositioning effects? (i think they already have shadows, dont they?) |
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| 02:09.13 | luke-jr_ | anyone know what the WiFi app Kubuntu ships with is? |
| 02:09.22 | Renze | Schalken: those changes will occur in kwin for kde4 |
| 02:09.40 | Renze | luke-jr_: I could only guess - knetworkmanager? |
| 02:10.24 | _Nothing_ | what's the easiest way to copy all of one users' KDE settings to another user |
| 02:10.26 | Renze | Schalken: kwin for kde4 is supposed to have a compositing manager built in |
| 02:11.11 | _Nothing_ | so when user x runs 'startx' it looks exactly like user y's settings |
| 02:11.22 | Schalken | Renze: nice, didnt they give a name to the project that was experimenting with that stuff? it was 'Kool' or something. |
| 02:11.32 | Renze | Schalken: Krash ? :D |
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| 02:13.31 | Schalken | Renze: nah not the kde4 deleopment release. i just remember seeing a page with some guy experimenting with compositioning effects... |
| 02:13.43 | Renze | Schalken: news to me |
| 02:15.21 | Schalken | Renze: ahh here it is: http://appeal.kde.org/wiki/Coolness |
| 02:16.56 | Renze | not terribly impressive yet |
| 02:17.43 | luke-jr_ | Renze: no such app? |
| 02:17.57 | Renze | luke-jr_: huh? |
| 02:19.04 | Renze | luke-jr_: oh, the kubuntu wifi thing... why don't you ask in #kubuntu - they're more likely to know |
| 02:19.14 | luke-jr_ | they told me kwifimanager, which is totally different |
| 02:19.53 | Renze | I would guess that they know what ships with kubuntu better than we would |
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| 02:32.01 | Schalken | KDE 3.5 comes with support for window shadows doesn't it? |
| 02:32.38 | Schalken | Does anyone know of a distro that comes with this enabled by default, or is it a matter of hardware support? |
| 02:33.50 | Dr_willis | window shadows? Hmm.. |
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| 02:36.16 | oggb4mp3 | anybody reporting trouble printing from kde apps in 3.5.5 |
| 02:36.39 | Schalken | Dr_willis: it's in the KDE3.5 screenshots: http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.5/01-welcome.png |
| 02:37.03 | Schalken | how to enable it? |
| 02:37.09 | oggb4mp3 | I can print from firefox and OO.o, and I can print a test page from the printers section of kcontrol, but kde apps can't print |
| 02:40.18 | Dr_willis | Schalken, as that image says thats the 'composite' extension of X at work |
| 02:41.12 | Schalken | Dr_willis: how do i enable this 'composite' extension? does it require XGL, AIGLX or any specific supported gfx card? |
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| 02:45.16 | Dr_willis | Schalken, composite has been around for ages.. befor glx/aiglx were even thought of. :P i think |
| 02:45.27 | Renze | Schalken: composite predates XGL and AIGLX, so needs neither |
| 02:45.41 | Renze | it doesn't use GL for rendering |
| 02:45.48 | Dr_willis | composite 'on' |
| 02:45.53 | Dr_willis | somewhere in the xorg.conf |
| 02:46.01 | Dr_willis | but i thinkit can cuse other issues |
| 02:46.18 | Renze | Section "Extensions" |
| 02:46.19 | Renze | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.19 | Renze | EndSection |
| 02:47.02 | Renze | kde's composite support is basically a kludge, however, so don't expect good results |
| 02:47.25 | Dr_willis | yea - its one of those - enabled for eye candy.. thendisabled for work things. :P |
| 02:47.25 | Renze | shadows are always square, regardless of window shape |
| 02:47.34 | Dr_willis | heh |
| 02:47.59 | Renze | transparency works sometimes, but not all the time |
| 02:48.03 | Dr_willis | I just noticed my mosuse pointer dont have a shadow any more.. thats a nvida driver setting. |
| 02:48.22 | Renze | I use Xcursor, so my mouse has a shadow :D |
| 02:48.34 | Renze | regardless of hardware |
| 02:49.22 | Dr_willis | i cant say that i ever got that working..i tried it a long time ago |
| 02:50.15 | Dr_willis | Hmm.. have to restart kde for the pointer change to take effect... but ive noticed under gnome - you dont have to restart gnome.. |
| 02:50.21 | Dr_willis | possible kde4 feature? |
| 02:50.48 | Renze | it's actually a limitation of X... apps need to be restarted. I suspect that's what Gnome does |
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| 02:51.15 | Schalken | what about using gl for the rendering, then would it use the gfx card's acceleration, and then would I need aiglx/xgl? |
| 02:51.25 | Schalken | does kwin have support for that? |
| 02:51.31 | Renze | Schalken: not until KDE4 |
| 02:51.56 | Dr_willis | KDE4 is going to give us soo many new toys to play with. :) |
| 02:51.59 | Dr_willis | and such eye candy |
| 02:52.10 | Dr_willis | and such headaches... lol |
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| 02:52.41 | Schalken | so the window shadows in 3.5 are really quite pointless then... |
| 02:52.48 | Renze | Schalken: at the moment, yes |
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| 02:53.37 | Schalken | Renze: and therefore to use GL for compositioning effects i would have to install compiz? |
| 02:53.51 | Renze | Schalken: for 3.5 yes... for 4.0 no |
| 02:54.05 | Renze | you would also have to not use kwin for 3.5 |
| 02:54.48 | Schalken | Renze: yea i see |
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| 02:55.43 | Schalken | is it the same case with metacity, that /it/'s composite extension is not using gl and is a 'kludge'? |
| 02:55.54 | Renze | no |
| 02:56.11 | Renze | gnome has rushed in and is supporting software that is still alpha quality at best |
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| 02:56.51 | Schalken | Renze: that software being xgl/aiglx? |
| 02:56.58 | Renze | and compiz |
| 02:57.03 | lunitik | Renze: not at all... Compiz isn't default... Metacity and Luminocity still aren't merged... just saying |
| 02:57.08 | Renze | aiglx is a little more stable than xgl |
| 02:57.37 | Renze | lunitik: I wouldn't know... I won't touch Gnome with a ten metre cattleprod :D |
| 02:57.53 | Schalken | i was under the impression that aiglx was stable and in xorg7.0, but there are few gfx card drviers that will get it working? |
| 02:58.01 | lunitik | Renze: shouldn't speak about it then... |
| 02:58.08 | Renze | aiglx is in xorg 7.1, not in 7.0 |
| 02:58.13 | Schalken | ah |
| 02:58.16 | Renze | lunitik: why not? they're the enemy :D |
| 02:58.36 | Dr_willis | The Axis of Evil! |
| 02:58.39 | Dr_willis | :p |
| 02:58.47 | Dr_willis | The more i used gnome.. the more i hated it. |
| 02:59.10 | Renze | they are the thought police... they don't like their users making decisions |
| 02:59.10 | lunitik | Renze: not at all... FreeDesktop.org proves they are hardly enemies... they simply compete |
| 02:59.16 | Schalken | but you have to applaud gnome's ability to make software thats easy to use |
| 02:59.26 | Schalken | despite it being hardly as powerful |
| 02:59.34 | Renze | Schalken: as a power user, I found gnome more than a little irritating |
| 02:59.55 | Schalken | Renze: thats definately understandable' |
| 02:59.58 | Dr_willis | i do find that Gnomes Printer Config Dialog/tools easier... and KDE's to be.. well needing some tweaking. |
| 03:00.02 | lunitik | Renze: in the data center... the business arena... they provide less work for the admin... too |
| 03:00.23 | Dr_willis | but i can find reverse cases where kdes tools are better then gnomes as well. |
| 03:00.32 | Renze | lunitik: did you go to... the william shatner typing... academy? :D |
| 03:00.54 | roy | Gnome has its simplistic delights |
| 03:00.56 | lunitik | Renze: I use '...' when there is a pause in my thought... |
| 03:01.25 | lunitik | Renze: perhaps you would prefer to replace the first two with '-' ? |
| 03:01.27 | Schalken | lol |
| 03:01.37 | roy | I find it relaxing |
| 03:01.41 | Renze | khaaaaaannnn! |
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| 03:01.55 | kucrut | Renze: ... |
| 03:01.58 | Renze | kucrut: ... |
| 03:02.14 | Dr_willis | ...---... |
| 03:02.23 | Schalken | ... |
| 03:02.42 | Renze | ·._.·'¯'·._.·'¯'·._.·'¯'·._.·'¯' |
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| 03:03.07 | kucrut | what's that? a worm? |
| 03:03.19 | Renze | a wave |
| 03:03.43 | Schalken | in the end i see kde as far more developed, but it's hard to recommend to a new user. |
| 03:04.01 | Schalken | well, not a new user, but a new computer user :P |
| 03:04.57 | lunitik | They don't seem to be doing badly with it... |
| 03:05.31 | roy | I've been using linux suse for a yaer and I would not trade it |
| 03:05.41 | Schalken | lunitik: good on 'em. |
| 03:05.45 | Renze | gentoo for over two years and lovin' it |
| 03:05.53 | stoned | pansy |
| 03:05.53 | Renze | linux for over 7½ years |
| 03:06.19 | stoned | I been using linux for more than 20 years |
| 03:06.22 | stoned | hah! so there |
| 03:06.23 | Renze | stoned: howdy, you tool :) |
| 03:06.43 | stoned | Renze, im useful |
| 03:06.45 | stoned | ahaha |
| 03:06.45 | stoned | :D |
| 03:06.56 | Renze | stoned: but you're not a screwdriver :D |
| 03:07.00 | stoned | nope |
| 03:07.07 | stoned | but I been using linux for 20 years |
| 03:07.07 | Renze | no good for screwing :D |
| 03:07.09 | stoned | 20 dammit |
| 03:07.13 | stoned | that means something |
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| 03:07.23 | roy | It actually makes computing a enlightening experience unlike you know what system |
| 03:07.46 | Renze | stuff! |
| 03:07.49 | stoned | no |
| 03:07.55 | roy | aint been there in along time |
| 03:07.57 | stoned | no one caught the fact that linux hasn't been out for 20 years |
| 03:07.58 | stoned | :/ |
| 03:07.58 | Renze | with the thing! |
| 03:08.03 | Renze | and the other thing! |
| 03:08.08 | stoned | and stuff too |
| 03:08.08 | Renze | 16 years |
| 03:08.14 | stoned | 91 |
| 03:08.22 | lunitik | stoned: everyone did... |
| 03:08.31 | stoned | lunitik, you're a dick, don't address me |
| 03:09.13 | roy | Gee I wonder how many people in the world can actually write a kernal |
| 03:09.20 | stoned | I can |
| 03:09.28 | stoned | I've written many kernels before |
| 03:09.28 | Renze | a kernel |
| 03:09.31 | Renze | I just did |
| 03:09.33 | Dr_willis | i cant even write 'hello world!' in c |
| 03:09.34 | Dr_willis | :) |
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| 03:09.50 | stoned | I have written over 274 kernels |
| 03:10.07 | Schalken | so if im not mistaken, all the window decoration transparencies and shadows etc i see in kde screenshots is rubbish, not really using openGL and therefore not useful. |
| 03:10.17 | roy | Hey I believe you |
| 03:10.19 | stoned | using composite |
| 03:10.24 | stoned | and also enable composite with glx |
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| 03:10.28 | stoned | nvidia only afaik |
| 03:10.33 | stoned | thats all i ever owned |
| 03:10.51 | Renze | Schalken: wait for KDE4 |
| 03:11.10 | Schalken | Renze: will do :D |
| 03:11.18 | stoned | yup |
| 03:11.19 | Renze | Schalken: if you absolutely need useless eye-candy now, use compiz and some other window manager |
| 03:11.22 | stoned | when hell freezes over |
| 03:11.30 | Schalken | how do you do that thing where it says ****Schalken does something something |
| 03:11.45 | stoned | /me |
| 03:11.59 | stoned | lol |
| 03:12.02 | stoned | does something something |
| 03:12.03 | stoned | thats cute |
| 03:12.04 | stoned | lol |
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| 03:13.14 | Renze | never played Zork, eh? |
| 03:13.39 | stoned | hey |
| 03:13.46 | Renze | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grue_(monster) |
| 03:13.51 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 03:13.51 | stoned | why do some people eat other people, after they have been dead for a while |
| 03:14.23 | Dr_willis | Thats about the only zork game i ever finished.. what was it.. "Zork: Grand Inquisitioner" or somthing like that |
| 03:14.36 | stoned | why! |
| 03:14.38 | stoned | ? |
| 03:15.05 | lotyrin | I'm compositing right now, and it's fine. |
| 03:15.05 | Renze | where! |
| 03:15.06 | Renze | ? |
| 03:15.13 | lotyrin | Just no wobbles or cubes. |
| 03:15.21 | lotyrin | with kwin. |
| 03:15.26 | Renze | lotyrin: otherwise known as useless eye-candy |
| 03:15.34 | lotyrin | Right. |
| 03:15.40 | lotyrin | It's accelerated. |
| 03:15.41 | Dr_willis | I just enabled composite... |
| 03:15.56 | Dr_willis | not sure whats so great about it.. :P perhaps i need to enable somthing else to see some effect |
| 03:15.58 | lotyrin | Just not 3d crazy efects. |
| 03:16.09 | Schalken | so is the compositing accellerated by your gfx card? |
| 03:16.14 | lotyrin | yeah. |
| 03:16.16 | stoned | eh |
| 03:16.20 | lotyrin | AIGLX |
| 03:16.42 | Schalken | oh i see, u have a card that supports AIGLX |
| 03:16.52 | lotyrin | Yeah, nvidia. |
| 03:17.01 | Schalken | lotyrin: wait, nvidia? |
| 03:17.06 | lotyrin | Using beta drivers. |
| 03:17.11 | Schalken | i have a gefore 6200 |
| 03:17.20 | Schalken | lotyrin: oh, beta drivers |
| 03:17.25 | lotyrin | mine's a 6150. |
| 03:17.35 | lotyrin | and shares ram with my system. |
| 03:17.44 | lotyrin | but it's just fine. |
| 03:17.46 | lotyrin | :) |
| 03:17.47 | Schalken | i didnt know there was a 6150 |
| 03:17.59 | Renze | integrated |
| 03:17.59 | lotyrin | It's a onboard type chip. |
| 03:18.17 | Schalken | wait, so its a normal agp/pcie gfx card, but it doesnt have its own vram? |
| 03:18.25 | lotyrin | It's on my mobo |
| 03:18.28 | Schalken | oh |
| 03:18.53 | Schalken | how did they get a geforce 6 on your mobo? |
| 03:19.09 | Renze | with a shoehorn |
| 03:19.13 | lotyrin | Not sure exactly what the architecture looks like. |
| 03:19.30 | lotyrin | I guess the GPU doubles as the northbridge :o |
| 03:19.39 | Schalken | do they normally do that? does that mean the northbridge is the gf? |
| 03:19.50 | Schalken | yeah im thinkin whoe |
| 03:20.06 | lotyrin | Yeah, If I do alot of ram bandwidth my fps drops to 30-ish in glxgears. |
| 03:20.39 | Schalken | so... they used a gfx chipset as your mobo chipset? |
| 03:20.41 | lotyrin | I guess. |
| 03:20.59 | lotyrin | Haven't really explored it. |
| 03:21.11 | Schalken | OR |
| 03:22.00 | Schalken | maybe u have an nForice mobo chipset, and the nforce's northbridge is a geforce...wait, do gfx cards have a north/southbridge structure? |
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| 03:22.36 | Celeste | hi |
| 03:22.49 | Schalken | hello |
| 03:22.53 | Celeste | can I get a toolbar (panel) for KDE which looks like the one from Mac OS ? |
| 03:23.03 | Schalken | Celeste: you sure can |
| 03:23.04 | Celeste | I tried out SuperKaramba but could not find such a tool |
| 03:23.07 | Renze | you mean the docker? try kxdocker |
| 03:23.25 | Renze | it's a little nasty on the usability side, however |
| 03:23.50 | lotyrin | http://images.sudhian.com/review/motherboards/6150/6150roundup.images.02.jpg |
| 03:23.50 | Celeste | Renze, I am just searching it in the package manager of my distro |
| 03:23.54 | lotyrin | there we go. |
| 03:24.32 | Celeste | Schalken, thank you for the information. Did you think of the same program named "kxdocker" as Renze did? |
| 03:24.37 | Celeste | or did you have an other idea? |
| 03:24.49 | Schalken | Celeste: kxdocker, yes |
| 03:25.03 | Celeste | ok, I found this "kxdocker" and its downloading right now |
| 03:25.07 | Celeste | thank you for your help |
| 03:25.11 | Renze | don't forget the plugins for it |
| 03:25.18 | Schalken | Celeste: there is also another dock that does similar function, but its less powerful i tihnk, cant remember what its called |
| 03:25.26 | Renze | ksmoothdock ? |
| 03:25.37 | Schalken | Renze: thats the one |
| 03:25.47 | Celeste | Renze, sorry for asking, but please tell me what plugins you are talking about |
| 03:26.02 | Celeste | I am using "kubuntu" and aptitude showed me these 2 packages marked as available |
| 03:26.04 | Celeste | p kxdocker - innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker |
| 03:26.04 | Celeste | p kxdocker-data - resource files for kxdocker |
| 03:26.10 | Schalken | lotyrin: so there you go, a nforce motherboard uses a geforce for its northbridge...interesting. |
| 03:26.28 | Renze | Celeste: your distro probably bundles them all together |
| 03:26.35 | Celeste | ok |
| 03:26.40 | Renze | I do not use kubuntu |
| 03:26.41 | lotyrin | probably what the -data package is. |
| 03:26.52 | Schalken | Celeste: i think kxdocker-data has things like icons and other graphic |
| 03:27.04 | Celeste | Renze, what distro do you use? I am interested in because I need to change my distro. It's too buggy |
| 03:27.13 | Renze | gentoo, but it's not for newbies |
| 03:27.23 | lotyrin | Celeste: what kubuntu are you using? |
| 03:27.32 | Celeste | 6.06.1 Dapper Drake |
| 03:27.46 | Celeste | is "killall -9 kicker" ok ? |
| 03:27.55 | lotyrin | shouldn't need -9 |
| 03:28.03 | lotyrin | but yeah. |
| 03:28.51 | Schalken | wow i didnt know you could kill an proc by name. i would always have to look up the PID with top and to kill PID. |
| 03:28.56 | Schalken | thanks |
| 03:29.10 | Schalken | a* do* |
| 03:29.38 | Renze | Schalken: you're kinda new to linux, aren't you? :D |
| 03:30.33 | Schalken | Renze: been using it since February |
| 03:30.35 | grepper | Celeste: "dcop kicker kicker quit" might be cleaner |
| 03:30.48 | lotyrin | meh. :P |
| 03:30.53 | Renze | Schalken: since January for me... January 1999 :D |
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| 03:31.01 | Schalken | Renze: lol |
| 03:31.15 | lotyrin | I once wrote a bot for a MUD named 'ninja'. |
| 03:31.24 | Celeste | perfect |
| 03:31.29 | Celeste | thank you grepper |
| 03:31.29 | lotyrin | And I accidentally spawned too many. |
| 03:31.36 | lotyrin | 'killall ninja' |
| 03:31.38 | lotyrin | :D |
| 03:31.47 | Celeste | grepper, do you also know the command to open the same program as "ALT + F2" does? |
| 03:31.48 | Schalken | i made the switch when Windows froze on me during a presentation to my whole school :O |
| 03:32.12 | Renze | Celeste: dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface popupExecuteCommand |
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| 03:32.35 | Celeste | thank you :) |
| 03:32.40 | Renze | no problem |
| 03:32.41 | Celeste | and one last problem: |
| 03:33.00 | Celeste | kxdocker always "goes" to the back |
| 03:33.06 | Celeste | please correct my sentence by the way |
| 03:33.10 | Celeste | how can I say this? |
| 03:33.27 | Celeste | it goes to the back and comes to the front when I move my mouse to the bottom of the screen |
| 03:33.47 | Schalken | Celeste: do you mean it is behind the windows? |
| 03:33.53 | Celeste | yes |
| 03:33.54 | Renze | you can change that behaviour in the kxdocker config dialog |
| 03:34.03 | Renze | don't ask me where... I don't use it |
| 03:34.36 | Celeste | are you sure that there is such a config dialog at all? |
| 03:34.42 | Celeste | a right click does not help much |
| 03:35.04 | Renze | Celeste: there is, but getting to it is a pain in the ass |
| 03:35.22 | Renze | and since you have no system tray because you killed kicker, you can't get to it |
| 03:35.41 | Celeste | kicker is still running |
| 03:35.45 | Renze | I did say it was nasty on the usability side |
| 03:35.59 | Renze | then use the systray icon to get to the settings |
| 03:36.18 | Celeste | perfect :) |
| 03:36.19 | Celeste | thank you |
| 03:36.41 | Renze | no problem |
| 03:37.21 | Schalken | Celeste: where do you see Kubuntu as buggy? |
| 03:37.34 | Schalken | (i haven't used it, but was considering) |
| 03:37.46 | roy | I got it |
| 03:38.04 | Celeste | Schalken, kubuntu is the best Desktop OS (better than Suse) for beginners, but when you are a bit more skilled, the dependencies are a problem |
| 03:38.12 | Celeste | the whole package management is buggy |
| 03:38.22 | Celeste | the packages are not tested good enough |
| 03:38.30 | Celeste | many packages have broken dependencies |
| 03:38.33 | lotyrin | like the amarok-xine thing. |
| 03:38.37 | Schalken | Celeste: oh okay |
| 03:38.49 | Celeste | Schalken, I will try to use FreeBSD |
| 03:39.09 | Celeste | the only thing I can tell you is that Ubuntu supports every crap |
| 03:39.15 | Celeste | like plug and play windows |
| 03:39.31 | Celeste | so you plug in a camera, usb stick and so on and it opens a window "what do you want to do?" |
| 03:39.35 | Celeste | thats nice |
| 03:39.43 | Celeste | also when I open it in the shell then |
| 03:39.57 | Schalken | Celeste: you mean in kubuntu? |
| 03:40.05 | Celeste | yes |
| 03:40.17 | lotyrin | Yeah, I liked that too. |
| 03:40.37 | Celeste | does anyone of you use FreeBSD or an other Linux Distro which is good? |
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| 03:40.44 | lotyrin | And the acpi button works without any hacking (as in gentoo.) |
| 03:40.45 | Celeste | maybe we can talk about all that stuff |
| 03:41.19 | Schalken | i have been looking for a good kde distro |
| 03:41.34 | roy | any one use xen |
| 03:42.05 | Renze | roy: find out if there is a #xen channel |
| 03:42.20 | roy | hospitality |
| 03:44.38 | roy | sorry I didnt realize you all were conducting serious bussiness |
| 03:45.41 | roy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:46.00 | Celeste | I have the feeling that programs start slower in KDE than in "icewm" ... can this be true? |
| 03:46.07 | Celeste | and if yes, can I change it? |
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| 03:46.17 | usux | hi kde sux compared to gnome |
| 03:46.23 | lotyrin | hi. |
| 03:46.35 | Celeste | usux, you are very welcome anyway |
| 03:46.35 | lotyrin | It depends on your goals. |
| 03:46.38 | roy | yea baby |
| 03:46.46 | Celeste | usux, we will not start a pro / contra war here |
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| 03:47.00 | lotyrin | :/ |
| 03:47.08 | lotyrin | Hi root. |
| 03:47.18 | usux | kde is basically shit |
| 03:47.26 | _root | *L* |
| 03:47.31 | _root | yeah gnome here |
| 03:47.31 | lotyrin | usux: I am from the future. |
| 03:47.38 | Celeste | usux, why do you tell us this? |
| 03:47.40 | lotyrin | Everything is basicly shit. |
| 03:47.49 | _root | suse rules |
| 03:47.53 | Celeste | heh |
| 03:47.54 | Celeste | suse |
| 03:47.55 | Celeste | :) |
| 03:47.57 | lotyrin | lol. |
| 03:48.24 | Pandemonium009 | ha |
| 03:48.29 | usux | wow u ignored me |
| 03:48.34 | usux | does that make u l44t? |
| 03:48.51 | lotyrin | usux: got some extra time on your hands, I see. |
| 03:48.58 | Pandemonium009 | i haven't chatted in a long time |
| 03:49.00 | roy | I am starting to like intellectualls |
| 03:49.10 | usux | i know a awsome new kde site its called wowomg.com |
| 03:49.32 | roy | dead air |
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| 03:50.07 | Schalken | how do we report offenses/boot people? |
| 03:50.19 | Pandemonium009 | should be ./kick |
| 03:50.32 | Pandemonium009 | ./kick <nickname> |
| 03:50.37 | Renze | Schalken: just ignore the troll, and it will go away when people stop feeding it |
| 03:50.50 | Schalken | ah |
| 03:51.07 | Celeste | Schalken, kicking does not help because he can rejoin |
| 03:51.09 | roy | guess that means me |
| 03:51.20 | lotyrin | If five minutes if his time uses 6 of ours, he wins. |
| 03:51.20 | Celeste | Schalken, a ban could be bad ... if he uses different IP's he can rejoin |
| 03:51.23 | Renze | roy: no, that means usux |
| 03:51.31 | Schalken | Celeste: so he needs rehabilitation, basically? |
| 03:51.42 | Celeste | Schalken, if you ban the whole host, nobody using this provider will be able to join this channel |
| 03:51.59 | Celeste | Schalken, is ok, he did not do anything really bad |
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| 03:52.20 | Schalken | Celeste: i know but u need to be prepared ;) |
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| 03:52.28 | lotyrin | ip-based bans are bad practice anyways. |
| 03:52.36 | Celeste | I am sure there are enough ops here |
| 03:52.47 | roy | its spice |
| 03:52.48 | Celeste | I am none of them so I do not have any right to decide anything here |
| 03:52.54 | Renze | there are plenty of ops-in-hiding here |
| 03:53.12 | Celeste | how I said: <Celeste> I am sure there are enough ops here |
| 03:53.21 | Celeste | I am sure Renze is one of them |
| 03:53.24 | Renze | nope |
| 03:53.36 | lotyrin | just acts like it :) |
| 03:53.41 | Celeste | I see |
| 03:53.42 | Celeste | :) |
| 03:53.43 | marcusU | Could someone trying opening this URL in Konqueror and then printing? It consistently hangs on my system. It is not necessary to perform and actual print. Checking print preview and clicking Print is enough. http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/AMD/138/2 |
| 03:54.12 | marcusU | I'm having a lot of problem with Konqueror going into what appears to be infinite recursion trying to print. |
| 03:54.35 | Renze | marcusU: works fine here |
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| 03:54.57 | marcusU | I wonder why it blows up here. |
| 03:55.19 | lotyrin | have you tried printing to a .ps? |
| 03:55.29 | marcusU | lotyrin: It's only certain pages. |
| 03:55.33 | Schalken | Renze: how long does it take to install a new app, say, Kopete, on gentoo? |
| 03:55.43 | lotyrin | to check if maybe it's your printing implementation rather than konqueror? |
| 03:55.48 | Renze | Schalken: as long as it takes to build on your CPU/RAM |
| 03:56.18 | marcusU | lotyrin: Most stuff prints fine. Certain pages go into this infinite loop or recursion. |
| 03:56.31 | lotyrin | yes. |
| 03:56.32 | Schalken | Renze:well thats not good news considering to took it 30mins to compile inkscape :( |
| 03:56.45 | Renze | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.45 | Renze | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.00 | Renze | that's on an AthlonXP 1800+ with 512MB |
| 03:57.11 | marcusU | Unfortunately, none of the Linux browsers will print some of my work stuff. |
| 03:57.15 | lotyrin | but to deduce which component is malfunctioning, attepmt to print a page that causes an error to a .ps file. |
| 03:57.17 | Schalken | Renze: i see |
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| 03:58.04 | Renze | Schalken: and I was using my system at the time, so that probably slowed it down a little |
| 03:58.11 | marcusU | lotyrin: Same result. |
| 03:58.25 | Celeste | I need to restart X |
| 03:58.28 | Celeste | will come back soon |
| 03:58.36 | lotyrin | marcusU: what distro? |
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| 03:58.56 | marcusU | Suse 9.3, but KDE is compiled from source. (SVN from this week.) |
| 03:59.01 | lotyrin | :/ |
| 03:59.13 | lotyrin | that just MIGHT have something to do with it. |
| 03:59.23 | lotyrin | try svn upping |
| 03:59.28 | lotyrin | and rebuilding |
| 03:59.39 | marcusU | I've had similar problems with Konqueror and various sites for years. |
| 04:00.00 | Schalken | marcusU: its just that site and none others? |
| 04:00.05 | lotyrin | My konqueror does not have that problem with that site, so... |
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| 04:00.27 | marcusU | Other sites, especially stuff for work, but I can't post the work stuff cuz it has info I can't reveal publicly. |
| 04:02.24 | marcusU | And I'm not using -O3 anymore. My GCC definitely miscompiles some C++ stuff at -O3. |
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| 04:03.17 | marcusU | I reported this type of bug but for a different web page, and that page now prints, but I still have problems with others. |
| 04:03.24 | Iquaba1 | hey all, how do i set the scroll wheel to scroll down a window when i click it in konqueror? |
| 04:04.11 | Iquaba1 | nevermind, i got it |
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| 04:05.49 | roy | colective sleep |
| 04:05.53 | lotyrin | marcusU: -03 makes many binaries larger than -02, and thusly kills their potential speed gains anyways. |
| 04:06.34 | marcusU | It does not necessarily negate their speed gains. It depends on the specific situation. |
| 04:06.47 | lotyrin | I did say "many" :) |
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| 04:07.06 | lotyrin | rather than 'all' or even 'most' |
| 04:07.15 | positivo | oi |
| 04:07.15 | marcusU | AMD recommands -march=k8 -ffast-math -funroll-all-loops -fpeel-loops -O3 |
| 04:07.35 | jessikinha | oi |
| 04:07.37 | Iquaba1 | more with konqueror, is there any way to configure clicking the middle mount button to open a link as a tab? |
| 04:07.43 | lotyrin | marcusU: could you site that? |
| 04:07.48 | marcusU | Yes. |
| 04:07.51 | marcusU | Just a moment. |
| 04:07.57 | jessikinha | ffff |
| 04:08.02 | lotyrin | (not that I disbelieve, I'm just personally interested.) |
| 04:09.09 | marcusU | http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/32035.pdf |
| 04:09.17 | marcusU | The specific flags vary by GCC version. |
| 04:09.24 | lotyrin | cool. |
| 04:10.19 | marcusU | I just wish I could print my class rosters in Konqueror :-( (Firefox chops off the bottom 6 names, so it's useless for that, too.) |
| 04:11.06 | lotyrin | weird. |
| 04:11.44 | marcusU | Unfortunately, other people don't seem to have this problem. |
| 04:12.14 | lotyrin | even with firefox? |
| 04:13.09 | marcusU | I don't know about Firefox. I don't know how to report the bug cuz I have only noticed it on my web app. |
| 04:14.11 | lotyrin | you could download the sources to said page (even if dynamic), edit out sensitive information, and file a bug with that (assuming it's the browser's fault) |
| 04:16.18 | _Nothing_ | guys guys.. i found something better than caffeine |
| 04:16.20 | _Nothing_ | iron pills |
| 04:16.22 | _Nothing_ | 300mg iron pills |
| 04:16.25 | _Nothing_ | >:D |
| 04:16.33 | marcusU | Uh, it's really, really easy to OD on iron. |
| 04:17.01 | _Nothing_ | behhehh oh shit than |
| 04:17.10 | _Nothing_ | my back is so !@#$ing itchy now |
| 04:17.34 | roy | what a ride |
| 04:17.37 | _Nothing_ | water i'll go grab a few drinks brb |
| 04:18.21 | lotyrin | :/ |
| 04:19.05 | lotyrin | Judging by his conversational ability, I'll stay away from them, barring the OD risk :) |
| 04:19.28 | lotyrin | ("OMG the gnomes!!!", etc.) |
| 04:19.44 | _Nothing_ | XD WTF |
| 04:20.03 | roy | I need a dictioary |
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| 04:20.18 | _Nothing_ | Well from what I can remember, when I had large iced cappuccinos from Tim Hortons. |
| 04:20.26 | _Nothing_ | I would be in a very alert state. |
| 04:21.06 | _Nothing_ | Now im not in a really .. look over my shoulder state but a *blasts Three Days Grace - Animal* kind of state. |
| 04:21.31 | _Nothing_ | You said i over dosed.. should i call a doctor :\ |
| 04:21.35 | roy | paranoid |
| 04:21.40 | _Nothing_ | IF YOU SAY SO! |
| 04:21.42 | _Nothing_ | .. |
| 04:21.42 | _Nothing_ | yes |
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| 04:22.33 | marcusU | _Nothing_: How much did you take? |
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| 04:23.23 | _Nothing_ | 300mg 1 pill |
| 04:23.36 | _Nothing_ | I might have taken one this morning by accident. |
| 04:23.43 | _Nothing_ | But I took one recently. |
| 04:23.50 | _Nothing_ | Dude my eyes are so OPEN! |
| 04:24.04 | _Nothing_ | I was never this focused with caffeine. |
| 04:25.21 | marcusU | Normal therapeutic dose is about 1/10 of 300. |
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| 04:26.10 | _Nothing_ | 0_0 OH SHIT |
| 04:26.10 | _Nothing_ | XD |
| 04:26.25 | _Nothing_ | my back is so itchy man |
| 04:26.52 | lotyrin | also, iron stays in your body for long periods of time. |
| 04:27.15 | marcusU | I looked for treatment, and they recommend just removing blood from the body. |
| 04:27.24 | lotyrin | like 1mg/day is lost otherwise. |
| 04:27.53 | lotyrin | But, that's off topic. |
| 04:28.29 | roy | maybe a leech |
| 04:29.19 | marcusU | You could go bother the pharmacist at the 24-hour pharmacy. They will like that. |
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| 04:29.53 | _Nothing_ | but fuck |
| 04:29.58 | _Nothing_ | this isnt the first time ive had iron pills |
| 04:30.03 | _Nothing_ | thats it no more iron pills for me :D |
| 04:30.15 | _Nothing_ | i think i wont die tonight, but.. i'll just keep drinking water |
| 04:30.16 | flaccid | you should try xtacy |
| 04:30.25 | _Nothing_ | people die from that man :p |
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| 04:30.32 | _Nothing_ | plus it REALLY messes you up |
| 04:31.48 | lotyrin | thanks for that link. |
| 04:31.49 | lotyrin | :) |
| 04:32.04 | marcusU | I don't think recompiling kdelibs/kdebase is going to fix my printing problems, though. |
| 04:32.24 | marcusU | lotyrin: I know someone else said it worked for him, but did anyone on amd64 check it? |
| 04:32.37 | flaccid | actuallly no one has ever died from xtacy. |
| 04:32.56 | flaccid | who took it on their own will and wasn't an infant.. |
| 04:33.02 | lotyrin | Well it's not in your printing system. And it's not in the page. |
| 04:33.22 | lotyrin | flaccid: I think infant fits into "against their will" |
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| 04:33.30 | Celeste | re |
| 04:33.36 | flaccid | lotyrin: correct |
| 04:34.07 | marcusU | It comes to a halt when it appears to be rendering the page. The process size of konqueror grows without bound until it brings the system to a stop. |
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| 04:34.15 | _Nothing_ | i think im gona hurl |
| 04:34.34 | lotyrin | _Nothing_: we aren't amazed. |
| 04:35.08 | flaccid | haha |
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| 04:36.50 | _Nothing_ | Uh yeah sorry if I was a spas a while ago. Note to everyone, be careful with iron. |
| 04:37.00 | marcusU | Maybe it's a Qt problem. I don't know. |
| 04:37.21 | Renze | _Nothing_: yes, they're good for getting creases out of clothes, though |
| 04:37.49 | _Nothing_ | :) |
| 04:37.55 | marcusU | Yeah, but I usually end up with big new creases that aren't supposed to be there. |
| 04:38.14 | lotyrin | I like random creases. |
| 04:38.25 | marcusU | I think that's what you get if you don't iron. |
| 04:38.44 | lotyrin | It's like carrying entropy around. |
| 04:38.47 | roy | cookin |
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| 05:04.24 | Schalken | i know we're probably sick on my distro questions but... |
| 05:04.42 | Schalken | what would you consider the most polished/preconfigured kde distro? |
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| 05:07.14 | Renze | Schalken: Gentoo :D |
| 05:08.39 | Schalken | Renze: lol |
| 05:09.12 | lotyrin | I like the core of *buntu, but their KDE-specific stuff isn't polished enough, in my opinion. |
| 05:10.11 | lotyrin | Ubuntu is the only binary-package-based distros I've used since around redhat 8 |
| 05:10.36 | Renze | last DeadRat I used was 6.1 |
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| 05:11.20 | Schalken | Renze: in gentoo, is it possible to get flash and w3codecs working on 64bit? |
| 05:11.34 | Renze | Schalken: no, they're not available as source |
| 05:11.50 | lotyrin | Schalken: yes. |
| 05:11.53 | Renze | but I'm still on 32bit anyway, so I don't notice a problem |
| 05:11.59 | lotyrin | but only with 32bit firefox. |
| 05:12.03 | Schalken | Renze: but you can still install them. |
| 05:12.05 | lotyrin | and 32bit video players. |
| 05:12.09 | Renze | Schalken: yes |
| 05:12.38 | Schalken | in opensuse, they somehow managed to get sunjava, flash and w3codecs working out of the box on 64bit! |
| 05:12.43 | Renze | flash is only available as 32bit, as are the win32 codecs |
| 05:13.06 | Renze | Schalken: I'm betting they cheated |
| 05:13.12 | Schalken | Renze: cheated? |
| 05:13.14 | lotyrin | Schalken: by using 32bit apps along with them, as I explained. |
| 05:13.19 | Schalken | oh |
| 05:13.22 | Renze | yes... made all the apps using them 32bit |
| 05:13.38 | lotyrin | It's the only way to do it anywhere. |
| 05:13.39 | Schalken | well they worked in konqueror... |
| 05:13.48 | Renze | then konqueror was 32bit |
| 05:14.05 | Schalken | but doesnt that mean the whole kdebase would have to be 32bit as well? |
| 05:14.11 | Renze | probably |
| 05:14.12 | lotyrin | probably. :/ |
| 05:14.22 | Renze | snap! |
| 05:15.00 | Schalken | then that pretty much makes everything 32bit |
| 05:15.10 | lotyrin | yeah :/ |
| 05:15.12 | Renze | that's the way it works |
| 05:15.18 | lotyrin | but the kernel was 64. |
| 05:15.23 | Schalken | but thats totally cheating |
| 05:15.27 | lotyrin | lol. |
| 05:15.33 | Renze | yup |
| 05:16.13 | Schalken | im angry at them now |
| 05:16.28 | Schalken | :P |
| 05:17.30 | lotyrin | wait. |
| 05:18.10 | lotyrin | I think I heard somewhere that konqueror cheats. |
| 05:18.33 | lotyrin | like runs 32-bit plugins in a 32-bit seperate process or something crazy. |
| 05:18.39 | Renze | nspluginviewer? |
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| 05:18.45 | lotyrin | perhaps. |
| 05:19.11 | Schalken | sounds elaborate |
| 05:19.16 | lotyrin | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=216959 |
| 05:20.14 | lotyrin | they specifically mention Suse. |
| 05:21.32 | lotyrin | so yeah, it can run 32-bit plugins in 32-bit mode, even though the browser is 64-bit. |
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| 05:23.53 | Schalken | sounds complicated though |
| 05:24.08 | lotyrin | Just install 32-bit libs is all. |
| 05:24.27 | Renze | hopefully Adobe will make a 64bit version of flash for linux |
| 05:24.42 | Renze | can't do anything about the win32 codecs though |
| 05:24.57 | lotyrin | Should just be a re-compile if they wrote it properly. |
| 05:24.59 | lotyrin | :/ |
| 05:25.00 | Schalken | do they have a 64bit flash for windows |
| 05:25.14 | Renze | no idea... haven't used windows since 1998 |
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| 05:26.24 | lotyrin | Windows doesn't completely move to 64-bit until Vista. And almost everything is written to support 32->64 because so much stuff is unavailable as source. |
| 05:26.42 | lotyrin | unless they want a bunch of complaints about |
| 05:27.10 | lotyrin | "my proprietary browser plugin from 199X doesn't work anymore :(" |
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| 05:28.29 | Schalken | lotyrin: then how do they manage to have 32bit stuff working in 64bit? |
| 05:29.02 | lotyrin | Hmm. |
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| 05:29.20 | lotyrin | They like to add abstraction layers all over the place. |
| 05:29.36 | lotyrin | So probably similar to konqueror. |
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| 05:53.40 | Schalken | Renze: what would you consider the easiest way to install gentoo? (preferably without compiling the whole system) |
| 05:54.18 | Renze | finding some other gentoo user with similar hardware to make packages for you? :D |
| 05:54.49 | Renze | I would never do anything but a stage1 install |
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| 06:01.16 | Schalken | Renze: does stage 1 mean you compile everything? |
| 06:01.26 | Renze | yes |
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| 06:03.27 | thiago | Schalken: why would you want to install Gentoo if you don't want to compile everything? |
| 06:04.03 | Schalken | thiago: well i can install gentoo precompiled, cant i? |
| 06:04.19 | Schalken | thiago: than i would only have to compile any software i want to add on |
| 06:04.42 | thiago | but isn't the goal of Gentoo to have the best possible optimisation for your system? |
| 06:05.11 | Schalken | thiago: dunno, is it? |
| 06:05.20 | thiago | that's what I thought |
| 06:08.17 | lotyrin | Start from stage 3. |
| 06:09.28 | lotyrin | if you want all kinds of custom cflags, you can just do 'emerge -e system' to compile things yourself afterward. |
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| 06:19.05 | NaufraGo | does anybody know what directory I have to put a k3b theme folder in? |
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| 06:20.15 | NaufraGo | come on, is there anybody available for help??? |
| 06:20.47 | Renze | NaufraGo: ~/.kde/share/apps/k3b/pics/ |
| 06:23.55 | Schalken | bagh, way too much effort in installing gentoo. |
| 06:24.50 | Renze | that's where the fun is :D |
| 06:25.13 | Renze | <-- geek |
| 06:26.06 | NaufraGo | ~/.kde/share/apps/k3b/pics doesn't exist |
| 06:26.12 | Renze | NaufraGo: make it |
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| 06:42.35 | Schalken | Oh, where is my KDE-based OS that is as stylish as Mac OSX, as easy to install as Ubuntu, as rock solid as Debian Sarge, as up to date as Gentoo and as feature rich as Suse? |
| 06:44.07 | Renze | it's called LFS, and you craft it yourself :D |
| 06:45.11 | Schalken | Renze: I said easy to install! LOL :D |
| 06:45.22 | Renze | then you're out of luck :D |
| 06:45.52 | Renze | and for me gentoo has been rock solid :) |
| 06:46.02 | Renze | and easy to install |
| 06:46.14 | Renze | and the style is all my own ;) |
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| 06:49.24 | Schalken | Renze: would you really call gentoo easy to install, especially for someone new to linux? |
| 06:49.40 | Renze | not for someone new, no... but for me, it was quite simple :D |
| 06:50.02 | Renze | but then I've been using computers since 1983 |
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| 06:59.34 | satan | hello all |
| 06:59.44 | satan | where can i find the syntax files for kde editors? |
| 07:00.05 | satan | you know, when you save the file as .pl, it knows its perl and colours stuff accordingly, or .java or .hs or whatever |
| 07:00.15 | satan | where does it store those files of keywords and operators and such? |
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| 07:00.38 | Renze | satan: `kde-config --prefix`/share/apps/katepart/syntax/ |
| 07:00.42 | Schalken | do btho kate and kwrite do this? |
| 07:00.45 | Schalken | both* |
| 07:00.46 | tstaerk | Hi, where can I get kde-i18n from svn ? |
| 07:00.53 | satan | Schalken: yes they all do |
| 07:00.55 | Renze | kwrite uses katepart, just as kate does |
| 07:00.57 | satan | Renze: thank you very much |
| 07:01.03 | Renze | satan: no problem |
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| 07:20.41 | Steven_M | have any of you ever used guarddog, a gui for iptables? |
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| 07:29.28 | blindcoder | moin |
| 07:29.38 | blindcoder | where do KDE applications expect to find their documentation? |
| 07:29.45 | blindcoder | all I get in the KDE Help Center is: |
| 07:29.57 | blindcoder | There is no documentation available for /kasteroids/index.html. |
| 07:32.54 | annma | blindcoder: only for kasteroids? |
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| 07:33.15 | blindcoder | annma: any application |
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| 07:34.02 | marcusU | I don't know where it stores them. Is it in some kind of compressed format? Cuz grep can't find the text of the application's docs. |
| 07:34.05 | annma | blindcoder: look in $KDEDIR/share/doc/HTML/en/ to see if there is anything in that dir |
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| 07:36.02 | blindcoder | annma: okay, that may be the problem |
| 07:36.26 | annma | nothing here? |
| 07:36.33 | blindcoder | annma: I'm one of the ROCK Linux developers, and I'm testing out a (admittedly) dirty patch to get that into a saner directory structure |
| 07:36.46 | blindcoder | because of shared files between packages |
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| 07:37.45 | tstaerk | I am writing a tutorial how to install a foreign language, anyone knows ? |
| 07:37.48 | marcusU | The filename "index.docbook" seems misleading for the application docs. |
| 07:38.09 | annma | tstaerk: what exactly do you need? |
| 07:38.21 | annma | marcusU: misleading? |
| 07:38.22 | tstaerk | My polish cousins are here. |
| 07:38.53 | tstaerk | Not all do understand english, my default language. |
| 07:39.01 | marcusU | annma: Yes. index.docbook sounds like it would be the index, not the main part of the documentatino. |
| 07:39.16 | annma | marcusU: users don't have to care about that |
| 07:39.18 | blindcoder | annma: during installation we set kde_htmldir and kde_libs_htmldir to $KDEDIR/share/doc/$PACKAGE/HTML |
| 07:39.18 | blindcoder | annma: seems like that wasn't enough |
| 07:39.32 | marcusU | Regardless, it doesn't seem like a good name. |
| 07:39.33 | annma | blindcoder: ;) no |
| 07:39.53 | annma | tstaerk: yes, so get the pl i18n package for your distro |
| 07:40.01 | annma | or do you want to compile it/ |
| 07:40.05 | annma | or do you want to compile it? |
| 07:40.14 | tstaerk | annma: I compiled kde from sources |
| 07:40.21 | annma | excellent |
| 07:40.34 | annma | do you have anything in l10n? |
| 07:40.43 | annma | do you have anything in l10n sources? |
| 07:40.53 | blindcoder | annma: any pointers to what I'm missing? |
| 07:40.55 | tstaerk | I just checked out the pl messages |
| 07:41.11 | annma | tstaerk: do you have the top files in l10n? |
| 07:41.38 | tstaerk | annma, no. |
| 07:42.22 | annma | ok, just a minute |
| 07:42.31 | annma | do you svn up as anonymous? |
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| 07:42.57 | annma | to get the top files |
| 07:43.16 | annma | svn co -N svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/stable/l10n |
| 07:43.28 | annma | -N is needed otherwise you'll get ALL languages |
| 07:43.34 | annma | and you don't want that |
| 07:43.35 | tstaerk | annma, ok, I'll do that. |
| 07:43.48 | annma | if you have an account, change the anonymous part |
| 07:44.01 | annma | now, do you have the scripts folder? |
| 07:44.07 | annma | l10n/scripts |
| 07:44.28 | annma | you need it to generate the .configure script in pl |
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| 07:45.51 | Cho | Good morning? |
| 07:46.18 | tstaerk | annma, no, I do not have a scripts folder. |
| 07:46.26 | annma | you need it then |
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| 07:46.40 | tstaerk | er, I shall mkdir scripts, right ? |
| 07:46.41 | annma | cd l10n |
| 07:46.48 | icwiener | Yhe -N option doesn't fetch dirs, does it? |
| 07:46.54 | n0mad | hi, whats the diferences betwen legacy-xorg and just xorg video drivers ? |
| 07:46.59 | tstaerk | icwiener: correct |
| 07:47.00 | annma | svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/stable/l10n/scripts |
| 07:47.09 | annma | icwiener: yes, only files |
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| 07:47.18 | annma | tstaerk: cd l10n |
| 07:47.20 | annma | svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/stable/l10n/scripts |
| 07:47.37 | tstaerk | annma, slowly, it comes :) |
| 07:47.39 | annma | then in l10n dir scripts/.autogen.sh |
| 07:47.46 | annma | then in l10n dir scripts/.autogen.sh pl |
| 07:48.17 | annma | pl is need so it'll generate configure script in pl |
| 07:48.27 | annma | it's all in the README in l10n in fact |
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| 07:48.50 | annma | tstaerk: scripts dir will be make automatically |
| 07:48.55 | annma | no need to mkdir |
| 07:49.10 | tstaerk | annma: thanks - you helped me by pointing me to http://websvn.kde.org/branches/stable/l10n/, the rest, I can do with the README. |
| 07:49.10 | annma | you need to be in l10n when calling the svn co for scripts |
| 07:49.16 | annma | :) yes |
| 07:49.37 | tstaerk | annma, yes, I know a bit svn. It was all about the right dir to checkout. |
| 07:49.37 | annma | i was providing extra sunday support |
| 07:49.47 | annma | :) |
| 07:49.48 | tstaerk | as always :) |
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| 07:51.38 | blindcoder | annma: any pointers to what I'm missing to get a clean /usr/share/doc wrt. KDE packages? |
| 07:52.16 | annma | remove the $PACKAGE? |
| 07:52.51 | blindcoder | annma: the point is to get a subdir in between doc/ and HTML/ |
| 07:52.54 | annma | blindcoder: i don't know about your distro specific scripts |
| 07:52.58 | blindcoder | annma: because it's not the documentation for HTML, now is it? |
| 07:53.00 | annma | why? |
| 07:53.09 | annma | it is |
| 07:53.26 | annma | don't you have a kde build to look in? |
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| 07:54.29 | blindcoder | a 3.4.2 one |
| 07:54.35 | blindcoder | and there in /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/ is documentation for KDE applications, not for the HyperText Markup Language |
| 07:54.52 | annma | blindcoder: you will not get HTML files anywhere |
| 07:54.57 | annma | they are generated on the fly |
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| 07:55.15 | blindcoder | okay, I guess I don't make myself clear enough |
| 07:55.40 | blindcoder | in /usr/share/doc/ we have directories for the packages that are installed. gcc, automake, etc. |
| 07:55.57 | annma | ? |
| 07:56.02 | blindcoder | so you go there and then the subdirectory for the package you want to documentation for |
| 07:56.19 | annma | you mean you have all your distro doc here |
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| 07:56.34 | blindcoder | /usr/share/doc/licq /usr/share/doc/bittorrent /usr/share/doc/gpsdrive |
| 07:56.36 | blindcoder | like that |
| 07:57.03 | blindcoder | so /usr/share/doc/HTML would indicate documentation for the HTML package (non-existant in ROCK, though) |
| 07:57.15 | blindcoder | that's why I'd like to squeeze a subdir in between doc/ and HTML |
| 07:58.41 | blindcoder | if it's one per KDE package or just /usr/share/doc/KDE/HTML that doesn't matter |
| 07:59.57 | annma | i guess you have to research how you can do that, i cannot do it for you |
| 08:00.19 | blindcoder | I was hoping for pointers on that |
| 08:01.05 | tstaerk | annma, i18n works @ me :)) |
| 08:01.07 | annma | look at KDE vars first |
| 08:01.16 | tstaerk | bye |
| 08:01.16 | annma | tstaerk: :) excellent! |
| 08:01.19 | annma | bye |
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| 08:04.20 | blindcoder | annma: will do, thanks |
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| 08:53.40 | Steven_M | does anyone here use guarddog, I really need help? |
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| 08:54.35 | pinotree | is guarddog a kde app? |
| 08:54.46 | Renze | sorry, I do all my firewall config via my router's web interface :) |
| 08:54.50 | Renze | it is |
| 08:55.12 | Renze | Description: Firewall configuration utility for KDE 3 |
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| 08:57.23 | a9913 | how do i use the extra keys on my keyboard? like the power, volume etc. keys |
| 08:57.38 | thiago | by using them |
| 08:57.44 | thiago | what is not working? |
| 08:57.55 | a9913 | when i pres them, nothing happens |
| 08:58.30 | a9913 | *press |
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| 08:59.00 | Renze | a9913: do you have the correct keyboard model selected in kcontrol -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard layout? |
| 08:59.10 | a9913 | lemme check... |
| 08:59.46 | Renze | or one that is close enough if yours is not in the list |
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| 09:01.15 | a9913 | i dont really know which one is closest to my keyboard |
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| 09:04.27 | neenaoffline | where does KDE store it's trash? |
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| 09:05.01 | Renze | neenaoffline: ~/.local/share/Trash or .Trash<uid> on other partitions |
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| 09:05.38 | Renze | neenaoffline: it follows the freedesktop.org standard for trash |
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| 09:06.27 | a9913 | is there any way i can set those keys? |
| 09:06.38 | Renze | a9913: read the man page for xmodmap |
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| 09:06.40 | thiago | a9913: try each keyboard and run xev |
| 09:06.44 | logixoul | pinotree: okay, it worked! (enlarging the systray icons) |
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| 09:06.48 | logixoul | pinotree: thanks |
| 09:06.52 | thiago | a9913: press one of those keys and check if the symbol reported is the correct one |
| 09:06.59 | a9913 | ok |
| 09:07.05 | pinotree | morning PhilRod |
| 09:07.06 | thiago | a9913: when you have found a keyboard layout that matches all of your keys, stick with it |
| 09:07.14 | thiago | a9913: if none match, you'll have to use xmodmap |
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| 09:07.52 | bastiaan | hi all, wats the name of the remote desktop utility in kde (the server part) ? |
| 09:08.10 | Renze | krfb |
| 09:08.22 | thiago | unmaintained, use freenx |
| 09:08.23 | PhilRod | heya pinotree |
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| 09:10.00 | Cho | See you. :) |
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| 09:11.45 | a9913 | how do i find out the keycode for a specific key? |
| 09:12.08 | Renze | use xev |
| 09:12.09 | logixoul | a9913: use xev |
| 09:12.12 | a9913 | thanks |
| 09:12.12 | logixoul | :) |
| 09:12.21 | Renze | jinx! |
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| 09:41.06 | stoned | hi |
| 09:41.18 | stoned | whenever I click a link it always opens another konq. window |
| 09:41.23 | stoned | instead of another tab |
| 09:41.27 | stoned | wait |
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| 09:41.30 | stoned | wrong chan |
| 09:41.30 | stoned | nm |
| 09:42.09 | a9913 | now i get a huge ugly grey widnow whenever i increase/decrese the volume or mute it. how do i disable that? |
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| 09:43.17 | a9913 | and whenever i press the volume buttons, it starts kmix |
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| 09:47.58 | RockMan | ciao |
| 09:50.53 | mc____ | would the kde sound work with jack? |
| 09:51.20 | a9913 | mc____: who's jack? |
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| 09:54.25 | mc____ | a9913: jack sound server |
| 09:54.33 | a9913 | oh |
| 09:54.37 | a9913 | dunno |
| 09:54.43 | a9913 | but kde has arts |
| 09:56.10 | mc____ | a9913: i know,but you cant compare arts to jack |
| 09:56.26 | mc____ | a9913: jack is muc better. |
| 09:56.48 | mc____ | a9913: most proffessional audio-programms use jack |
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| 10:08.58 | erdinc | is there anyone who has problem with superkaramba |
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| 10:09.58 | icwiener | erdinc: You wanna help him? |
| 10:10.15 | erdinc | but I have :) |
| 10:10.47 | erdinc | there was no problem in 3.5.3 but in 3.5.4 when you open a superkaramba theme its working but |
| 10:10.56 | erdinc | next session |
| 10:11.07 | erdinc | previos karamba theme should open automatically |
| 10:11.14 | erdinc | but nothing comes up |
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| 10:12.55 | icwiener | Does the session remember other programs like konsole? |
| 10:13.06 | erdinc | yes |
| 10:13.17 | erdinc | its just superkaramba |
| 10:14.02 | erdinc | when Im compiling kdeutils |
| 10:14.17 | erdinc | I use without snmp and xmms |
| 10:14.51 | erdinc | and also I dont compile kregexpeditor kedit kdessh klaptopdaemon |
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| 10:15.58 | icwiener | Wouldn't expect that to affect superkaramba. |
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| 10:16.33 | icwiener | Make sure, superkaramba is not excluded from session management. |
| 10:16.48 | icwiener | kcontrol -> KDE Components -> Session Manager |
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| 10:17.31 | icwiener | Otherwise I have no idea. I'm not using Superkaramba, so I cannot test it. |
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| 11:03.58 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 11:08.35 | Luyt | how do i run a kde program as root? |
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| 11:09.14 | Luyt | for example, kpackage, to be able to install packages |
| 11:09.49 | pinotree | kdesu <app> |
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| 11:17.37 | Luyt | thnx! |
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| 11:18.56 | Ace2016 | anyone know how i can get a gmail.com address from within the uk? |
| 11:19.50 | annma | location does not matter i think |
| 11:19.53 | icwiener | anonymous proxy |
| 11:20.21 | Ace2016 | thats what i was thinking, but its hard to find one that supports https |
| 11:21.30 | Ace2016 | annma: uk is only offered googlemail.com and not gmail.com because of some law suit about trademarks |
| 11:21.58 | annma | uk is offering? what is "uk" |
| 11:22.18 | annma | i thought gmail addresses were offered by google |
| 11:22.23 | Ace2016 | United Kingdom |
| 11:22.34 | PhilRod | annma: "UK is offerED" :-) |
| 11:22.35 | Ace2016 | google is only giving googlemail.com addresses to us |
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| 11:22.39 | Hubble | hey |
| 11:22.45 | PhilRod | hi Hubble |
| 11:22.49 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 11:22.57 | annma | so when you enter your mail address google changes? |
| 11:23.11 | annma | he needs your real address? |
| 11:23.15 | annma | he/it |
| 11:23.21 | annma | (damn fr2en) |
| 11:23.31 | Ace2016 | annma: well when i sign up it shows the address as googlemail.com, and i want gmail.com because its shorter |
| 11:23.31 | annma | thanks PhilRod |
| 11:23.57 | Hubble | I'm trying to use arts on my T23 but it isn't working -- alsa runs perfectly. there is an error message starting artsd in the shell and klicking "Test Sound-Sys" in kcontrol -- artsd says a *startup_1*.ogg couldn't be opend, but the file exists and vorbis-utils are installed |
| 11:24.06 | PhilRod | Ace2016: does it still use invites? can you get someone to invite you for a gmail account? |
| 11:24.17 | PhilRod | ~artstr |
| 11:24.19 | apt | You can find some tips on diagnosing sound-related problems at http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/sound.html |
| 11:24.24 | PhilRod | Hubble: ^^^^ |
| 11:24.37 | annma | Ace2016: do you want me to invite you? |
| 11:24.53 | Hubble | starting amarok and playing a mp3, amaro says "ASSERT: "i<=nodes in /usr/qt/include/qvaluelist.h (373)" |
| 11:24.57 | annma | i have a gmail account and never look at ti as it is full of spam |
| 11:25.07 | annma | Hubble: does it work anyway? |
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| 11:25.18 | Ace2016 | PhilRod: yea you still need an invite, and i have one, but google will only give me googlemail.com and not gmail.com so i'm going to use a proxy to get gmail.com because my ip is giving away my country |
| 11:25.25 | Hubble | annma, sound (alsa) words -- madplay plays correctly. |
| 11:25.46 | annma | ah, the IP address |
| 11:25.47 | Ace2016 | Hubble: Doesn't amarok use xine which uses alsa? |
| 11:26.08 | annma | Hubble: does amarok play or not? |
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| 11:26.37 | Hubble | Ace2016, don't know if xine uses arts or alsa as output -- when i want to set it, amarok crahses ;) |
| 11:26.49 | Hubble | annma, amarok isn't playing, madplay plays. |
| 11:27.11 | annma | distro? |
| 11:27.17 | Hubble | gentoo |
| 11:27.27 | Hubble | of course with arts and alsa useflag |
| 11:27.32 | annma | maybe you messed up somethin |
| 11:27.36 | annma | useflag! |
| 11:27.37 | Hubble | madplay is a very smart media player |
| 11:27.43 | annma | don't assume we all use gentoo |
| 11:28.05 | annma | try amarok with xine engine |
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| 11:28.21 | annma | amarok --engine=xine |
| 11:28.27 | Luyt | Why doesnt kpackage let me install packages? I mark a packages, but the menu item 'Packages/Install marked' is still disabled. (I'm running KPackage as root) |
| 11:28.27 | Hubble | annma, amarok is using xine |
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| 11:28.57 | annma | and it only says the assert when you run in konsole? |
| 11:29.22 | PhilRod | Hubble: if amarok is the only app with the problem (also try artsplay, juk, noatun), you might wantto ask in #amarok |
| 11:29.25 | Hubble | annma, yes |
| 11:29.41 | annma | amarok version? |
| 11:29.49 | Hubble | PhilRod, the whole kde soundsys is not working, i think it isnt a problem of amarok |
| 11:30.18 | annma | Hubble: then explain that at the start!!! |
| 11:30.21 | PhilRod | if amarok's using xine, then it has nothing to do with arts |
| 11:30.32 | Hubble | annma, 1.4.0, but i'm using the same version here on my desktop and there it is working |
| 11:30.33 | annma | <Hubble> annma, sound (alsa) words -- madplay plays correctly. |
| 11:30.41 | annma | you implied sound works |
| 11:30.42 | Hubble | annma, sorry |
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| 11:30.52 | Hubble | yes. alsa works. but not arts |
| 11:30.57 | annma | so your install is messed |
| 11:30.59 | Hubble | sound works correctly. |
| 11:31.06 | Hubble | but not the kde-sound-system |
| 11:31.08 | annma | don't use arts then |
| 11:31.17 | annma | amarok using xine does not use arts |
| 11:31.22 | annma | you mixe everything |
| 11:31.36 | annma | kde version? |
| 11:31.51 | annma | do amarok --version in konsole and paste the output please |
| 11:32.18 | Hubble | Qt: 3.3.6 |
| 11:32.22 | Hubble | KDE: 3.5.2 |
| 11:32.28 | Hubble | amaroK: 1.4.0 |
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| 11:32.44 | annma | so for KDE, you want sound notifications? |
| 11:33.06 | _tbscope | well, xine has an arts plugin, which it might be using |
| 11:33.12 | Hubble | ok, arts isn't working and amarok isn't working, too (same ASSERT-Error when using alsa-output) |
| 11:33.18 | annma | i thought not anymore, _tbscope |
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| 11:33.28 | annma | Hubble: FORGET arts! |
| 11:33.38 | _tbscope | annma: possible, didn't follow the development |
| 11:33.41 | annma | Hubble: tell us what you want instead |
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| 11:33.55 | PhilRod | annma: ah, just what I was going to say |
| 11:34.02 | annma | ;) |
| 11:34.11 | annma | support is hard on Sundays |
| 11:34.23 | annma | maybe because i partied last night |
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| 11:34.57 | Hubble | annma, eh, well. i forget arts. i want to know amarok running. i'll compile it without arts-useflag |
| 11:35.27 | Ace2016 | Hubble: you don't have to recompile it just change the settings |
| 11:35.27 | annma | read some docs to be sure you use your flags correctlky |
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| 11:37.11 | Hubble | Ace2016, then it crashes. when it isn't crashing, it these "Assert"-Error appears |
| 11:37.41 | annma | do you have xine installed? |
| 11:37.52 | annma | Hubble: ^^ |
| 11:37.57 | Hubble | annma, of course |
| 11:38.03 | annma | so do in konsole |
| 11:38.11 | annma | amarok --engine=xine |
| 11:38.44 | Hubble | annma, I've done it already, you told me to do so about 5mins ago and there weren't any changes. amarok ist using xine per default |
| 11:38.53 | Hubble | so I've used it before, too |
| 11:39.05 | annma | but there is no output at all? |
| 11:39.13 | annma | it should be TONS of output |
| 11:39.31 | PhilRod | annma: not if you build without debug output |
| 11:39.48 | PhilRod | (with debug turned off, the kdDebug() calls become no-ops) |
| 11:39.58 | annma | it's not off per default, no? |
| 11:40.03 | annma | in KDE i mean |
| 11:40.17 | annma | (in gentoo, anything can happen) |
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| 11:40.35 | PhilRod | that's correct, I think. Most distros turn it off though, I suppose to prevent making huge log files |
| 11:40.44 | PhilRod | !shopping |
| 11:41.06 | annma | ah |
| 11:41.28 | annma | Hubble: just recompile it or ask in #gentoo or in #amarok |
| 11:41.42 | annma | here it works well from kde sources with xine |
| 11:41.54 | Hubble | annma, i'm recompilung. already asked in agerman gentoo-chan ;) |
| 11:41.57 | PhilRod | and because of course all distros package KDE so well that there won't be problems and you won't need to see debug output ;-) |
| 11:42.15 | annma | :O |
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| 11:49.35 | Schalken | quick question: |
| 11:49.49 | Ace2016 | shoot |
| 11:50.02 | Schalken | while dragging a file, is it's icon rendered with transparency? |
| 11:50.07 | thiago | no |
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| 11:51.16 | Schalken | so there are aliasing artifacts? |
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| 11:52.30 | gmb | hello |
| 11:52.56 | Schalken | gmb: hello |
| 11:53.01 | Schalken | thiago: ? |
| 11:53.20 | gmb | i just installed kiosktool and created some new profiles in /etc/kde-profiles |
| 11:53.42 | gmb | how can i set some user to use exact profile when using kde? |
| 11:54.24 | Schalken | actually, another question: |
| 11:54.32 | Schalken | is launch feedback a kde thing? |
| 11:54.39 | mariux | yes |
| 11:54.46 | annma | the bouncing icon? |
| 11:54.56 | thiago | Schalken: no |
| 11:55.07 | thiago | Schalken: the icon is rendered slightly lighter than normal. That's all. |
| 11:55.36 | Schalken | thiago: so it does or doesn't maintain antialiasing? |
| 11:55.49 | Schalken | thiago: while being dragged, i mean. |
| 11:56.05 | Ace2016 | try with a giant icon |
| 11:56.10 | mariux | thiago: then was is the launch feedback thing in kcontrol? |
| 11:56.23 | mariux | and also, who doesnt kcontrol start from alt+f2, just from konsole? |
| 11:56.46 | thiago | Schalken: anti-aliasing? In icons? |
| 11:56.49 | Schalken | mariux: he was answering my previous question |
| 11:56.55 | Schalken | thiago: yeah |
| 11:57.00 | Schalken | thiago: file icons |
| 11:57.03 | Ace2016 | anti-aliasing is used in fonts isn't it? |
| 11:57.07 | thiago | Schalken: yes. They aren't aliased. |
| 11:57.32 | mariux | ok |
| 11:57.41 | Ace2016 | and the software that created the png file is the one that does the anti aliasing, kde just moves that image round, dons't alter it |
| 11:57.49 | mc____ | Ace2016: when not being kde specific,images can also bia anti-aliased |
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| 11:58.27 | thiago | images can be anti-aliased when doing transformations (like shrinking or expanding) |
| 11:58.34 | thiago | KDE doesn't need to do that, since the images are pre-rendered |
| 11:58.47 | Schalken | because in gnome, file icons are antialiased while sitting still, but when being dragged they are not and you can see aliasing |
| 11:59.05 | Ace2016 | Thats because gnome uses SVG icons |
| 11:59.08 | Ace2016 | and kde uses png |
| 11:59.26 | Ace2016 | svg icons are rendered by gnome and png icons are prerendered |
| 11:59.38 | thiago | KDE can use SVG too and, in that case, they are anti-aliased |
| 11:59.50 | thiago | but SVG is simply much slower than pre-rendered PNG |
| 11:59.54 | Schalken | thiago: even while being dragged? |
| 12:00.08 | Tm_T | yeah svg icons are sloww |
| 12:00.12 | thiago | Schalken: yes, if the only icon available is SVG |
| 12:00.35 | Tm_T | atleast here just Kontact took 5 times more time to show window |
| 12:00.37 | thiago | Schalken: internally, the icon will be pre-rendered once. It won't be rendered again and again every time you move. |
| 12:00.44 | Ace2016 | thiago: Does kde render the SVGs to png? like how you can build an icon set? |
| 12:00.54 | Schalken | thiago: yes of course |
| 12:01.27 | thiago | Ace2016: internally, to an image (not PNG) |
| 12:01.32 | Schalken | thiago: but the costly part is doing the transparency for the pixels on the fly |
| 12:01.55 | thiago | Schalken: not if it's already RGBA |
| 12:02.10 | thiago | and since it's RGB only, there's no transparency |
| 12:02.39 | Schalken | okay, |
| 12:02.44 | Schalken | heres a case study :P |
| 12:02.47 | Schalken | ready? |
| 12:03.27 | Schalken | lol, great timing |mikael| |
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| 12:04.01 | Ace2016 | That would have been the Perfect! time for a net split, now that would truely be funny |
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| 12:04.14 | Schalken | Ace2016: lol |
| 12:04.18 | Schalken | anyway |
| 12:05.41 | thiago | are you going to say anything? |
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| 12:07.08 | Schalken | nah nevermind i will just wait for my mandriva download to finish |
| 12:07.22 | Phonica | do any of u know how to change the title of a console window in a bash script? |
| 12:07.32 | Schalken | thiago: really? |
| 12:07.41 | mariux | thiago: you think mandriva is the best kde distro? |
| 12:07.50 | Ace2016 | gentoo is the best |
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| 12:07.59 | Ace2016 | because they don't mess with kde in any way |
| 12:08.05 | mariux | although i guess you dont run mandrivas kde anyways :) |
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| 12:08.16 | mariux | Ace2016: my thoughts exactly |
| 12:08.19 | thiago | mariux: I don't run Mandriva's KDE |
| 12:08.50 | Ace2016 | Oh thats easy |
| 12:08.58 | Ace2016 | you just have to use the alternative install cds |
| 12:09.04 | mariux | Schalken: what are the odds of someone with the exact same nick as you having the same problem |
| 12:09.12 | mariux | :) |
| 12:09.15 | Ace2016 | they work perfectly, i think its just the new installer, a bit buggy |
| 12:09.30 | claire | Hello |
| 12:09.38 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 12:10.19 | Schalken | Ace2016: so you think this is a 6.06.1 specific thing? (as opposed to 6.06) |
| 12:10.51 | Ace2016 | maybe haven't used it in a while, i've been using gentoo since just after 6.06 |
| 12:10.55 | mariux | Schalken: tried the ubuntu cd and then installing the kde package? |
| 12:11.41 | Schalken | mariux: i am in my ubuntu install right now. |
| 12:11.46 | mariux | theres always something in the distros i dont like or something i want in the kernel, and at the point where i have to compile my own kernel and hack in stuff, i might aswell run gentoo (which i do) |
| 12:11.56 | Ace2016 | Schalken: the live cd? |
| 12:12.12 | Schalken | no this is my Ubuntu 6.06 install |
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| 12:12.22 | Schalken | the one that works (as opposed to kubuntu 6.06.1) |
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| 12:12.35 | mariux | Schalken: well, theres really no difference |
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| 12:12.50 | Ace2016 | why do you even need to install 6.06.1? |
| 12:13.04 | Schalken | mariux: okay, after i install kubuntu-desktop, how to i get rid of gnome etc? |
| 12:13.14 | pz | hello |
| 12:13.17 | PhilRod | hi pz |
| 12:13.19 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 12:13.23 | mariux | Schalken: you dont :P |
| 12:13.24 | Schalken | Ace2016: well where can i download a 6.06 iso? |
| 12:13.41 | Schalken | mariux: but that just makes everything messy :( |
| 12:13.46 | mariux | eya i know |
| 12:13.48 | mariux | *yea |
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| 12:13.55 | mariux | kde menu full of gnome stuff |
| 12:14.07 | Schalken | mariux: and vice versa |
| 12:14.22 | thiago | since KDE and GNOME share the same menu spec, it's understandable |
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| 12:14.27 | Ace2016 | http://ftp.wwc.edu/pub/mirrors/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/6.06/ |
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| 12:14.46 | thiago | https://shipit.kubuntu.org |
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| 12:14.53 | Ace2016 | hm... seems they've redirected the 6.06 to 6.06.1 |
| 12:14.54 | adamt | Hi! Is there a way to make kicker and konsole use real transparancy (composite)? |
| 12:15.01 | Schalken | Ace2016: so, you think this problem i am having doesn't exist in 6.06, only 6.06.1? |
| 12:15.40 | Ace2016 | i think its in the desktop install cd and not the alternative install disk |
| 12:16.07 | Schalken | Ace2016: so the alternate install disk for 6.06.1 should work? |
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| 12:17.57 | Schalken | Ace2016: ? |
| 12:17.57 | Ace2016 | might |
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| 12:18.27 | Schalken | Ace2016: well im not gonna download 700mb for a 'might' |
| 12:18.45 | Howitzer | adamt, use XGL |
| 12:19.29 | Ace2016 | Schalken: Well you could go for 6.10 its in beta but its not too far from release |
| 12:19.36 | Ace2016 | its october already |
| 12:20.07 | adamt | Howitzer: Nah, i already have aiglx running together with beryl. there must be a way with aiglx, if it's possible with xgl |
| 12:20.23 | Schalken | Ace2016: point but it was really a mess last time i checked (ubuntu). i can't work in a mess. |
| 12:21.11 | Schalken | Ace2016: heaps of bugs, inconsistencies, ugly artwork etc etc |
| 12:21.27 | Ace2016 | well you can change the art work |
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| 12:25.09 | phrearch | hi |
| 12:25.20 | phrearch | are there language packs for kde? |
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| 12:26.23 | annma | phrearch: of course |
| 12:26.36 | phrearch | hm, cant find it :/ |
| 12:26.39 | phrearch | only english here |
| 12:26.41 | annma | phrearch: i18n-<iso> in your distro |
| 12:26.47 | annma | what is your distro? |
| 12:26.54 | eae | hey I need help, I can't use notifications in kde :( |
| 12:27.14 | annma | eae: use kcontrol and change player |
| 12:27.20 | Ace2016 | Schalken: Found it: http://ftp.tu-clausthal.de/ftp/mirror/ubuntu/releases/6.06/ |
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| 12:27.56 | eae | annma, the problem is not limited to sound notifications |
| 12:28.06 | phrearch | aha |
| 12:28.13 | phrearch | found it. thanks annma :D |
| 12:28.15 | annma | eae: explain better then? |
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| 12:28.25 | annma | phrearch: :) you're welcome |
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| 12:29.09 | Ace2016 | Go with the alternative install iso, thats better |
| 12:29.39 | eae | annma, notifications don't work: "play a sound" or "log to a file" or "execute a program" etc. I set them in control center, but nothing actually happens |
| 12:30.18 | eae | annma, and if I try to test the sound pressing the button in control center, no sound is emitted |
| 12:30.42 | annma | what is your sound player for notifications? |
| 12:30.43 | eae | I have set mplayer as external player |
| 12:31.03 | eae | also tried with alsaplay or something like that |
| 12:31.07 | Schalken | Ace2016: i am looking for kubuntu, not ubuntu |
| 12:31.36 | annma | eae: how did you install KDE? |
| 12:31.53 | eae | annma, with portage, I'm on gentoo |
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| 12:32.20 | Ace2016 | Schalken: http://ftp.tu-clausthal.de/ftp/mirror/ubuntu/releases/kubuntu/6.06/ |
| 12:32.34 | adamt | eae: Actually, i'm having problems like yours - also with gentoo.. |
| 12:32.37 | annma | eae: is the rest of kde working? |
| 12:32.41 | eae | yes |
| 12:32.46 | Ace2016 | alternative disks are better though, i think the desktop one had bugs in it |
| 12:32.50 | Schalken | Ace2016: does it matter that i have horrible ping with that server? |
| 12:33.09 | Schalken | Ace2016: bugs in kubuntu desktop even in 6.06? |
| 12:33.16 | Ace2016 | yup |
| 12:33.21 | adamt | although i can make it run programs, but i can't make it flash the taskbar-entries or play sounds... |
| 12:33.48 | eae | ah |
| 12:34.06 | Schalken | Ace2016: i have used a kubuntu desktop 6.06 cd before, the only difference now is that i was trying 6.06.1, so i think thats where the bugs were added |
| 12:34.06 | Ace2016 | but alternative disk worked perfectly for me, in the same installer that was in 5.10 |
| 12:34.11 | adamt | maybe we should bury flameeyes in questions ;-) |
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| 12:34.44 | Schalken | Ace2016: ive never used the alternate cd before so im not going to take any chances |
| 12:34.54 | eae | I have compiled kde without arts support, but I think I had the problem when arts was enabled too |
| 12:34.55 | Ace2016 | well its not hard |
| 12:35.07 | eae | :/ |
| 12:35.32 | adamt | eae: He, i skipped on arts too ;-) |
| 12:35.56 | eae | actually I've had this problem for years :( but didn't care too much |
| 12:35.56 | Ace2016 | This is the alternative installer: http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/install/ |
| 12:36.11 | Ace2016 | I have to go now, bye all |
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| 12:36.40 | eae | does anybody know what process does system notifications in kde? |
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| 12:37.10 | eae | annma, ^ |
| 12:37.31 | annma | process? |
| 12:37.35 | eae | the demon |
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| 12:38.25 | eae | or daemon |
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| 12:38.52 | eae | I think it was something like knotify :/ |
| 12:39.07 | eae | but maybe only in old versions |
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| 12:39.18 | eae | :x |
| 12:40.00 | adamt | can somebody please try this in a console: ps aux|grep -i knotify ? |
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| 12:42.00 | eae | :( |
| 12:42.45 | eae | well I don't have any knotify executable in my path, and probably not outside the path |
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| 12:43.00 | eae | so must be named somewhat else :? |
| 12:43.09 | pinotree | pino 6566 0.0 2.8 39396 14752 ? S 10:41 0:02 knotify [kdeinit] |
| 12:43.17 | eae | ah |
| 12:43.30 | pinotree | eae: it's not an executable, but a kded daemon |
| 12:43.35 | pinotree | (iirc) |
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| 12:44.05 | adamt | so it should be possible to start it with kded and dcop.. |
| 12:44.18 | gourdin | when will kde3.5.5 be available in binary form ? |
| 12:44.19 | eae | pinotree, what kde version do you have? |
| 12:44.41 | pinotree | Kig: v0.10.6 |
| 12:44.55 | pinotree | KDE: 3.5.4 |
| 12:45.10 | PhilRod | gourdin: when it's released - see devloper.kde.org for the schedule |
| 12:45.28 | PhilRod | kde just makes the source available to distributors, who can then make binaries for it |
| 12:45.40 | gourdin | I just saw the 3.5.5 ref in bugs.kde.org, that's why I'm asking ;) |
| 12:45.40 | pinotree | gourdin: kde does not release any binary form |
| 12:45.59 | pinotree | the binaries are provided only by distro |
| 12:46.41 | eae | pinotree, any idea on how to manually start knotify ? :o |
| 12:47.29 | pinotree | it's should be started on demand |
| 12:47.49 | adamt | eae: i might have found something |
| 12:48.04 | eae | well it certainly doesn't on my system pinotree :x |
| 12:48.10 | adamt | eae: "Nota bene: if you compile KDE with USE="-arts", then you will be unable to produce any sounds through knotify -- even with an external player. This is a bug. To resolve the problem, you should enable the arts USE flag for at least arts and kdelibs" |
| 12:48.15 | adamt | - http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_KDE_Desktop_for_the_end-user |
| 12:48.21 | eae | lol |
| 12:48.24 | eae | :x |
| 12:48.49 | eae | ok adamt, this does it I think |
| 12:49.00 | adamt | eae: Weird that nobody fixed it yet.. heh |
| 12:49.50 | eae | weird, I remember having this problem when arts was enabled |
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| 12:50.36 | eae | but probably I just had forgot to compile arts with the ogg flag or somethig like that |
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| 12:58.16 | StellarPrince | where can I change the bar above the windows appearence |
| 12:58.17 | StellarPrince | ? |
| 12:58.40 | teatime | rightclick it |
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| 13:00.32 | haakonn | "Configure Window Behaviour" is pretty badly named, since behaviour is one thing, and looks is a different |
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| 13:02.01 | StellarPrince | sorry but where is that? |
| 13:02.08 | StellarPrince | ahhh |
| 13:02.09 | StellarPrince | never mind |
| 13:02.14 | StellarPrince | thanks |
| 13:02.14 | StellarPrince | :p |
| 13:02.19 | teatime | still.. at least 90% of the settings from that menu entry are related to behaviour, not visuals |
| 13:02.45 | StellarPrince | ok |
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| 13:16.57 | shastry | is there a way i can tell kde to use en_GB dictionary ? |
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| 13:17.30 | shastry | ehm does any en_GB dictionary actually exist? |
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| 13:17.49 | shastry | ah aspell-en has it |
| 13:17.57 | shastry | so, how to tell kde to use it? |
| 13:19.21 | shastry | oooh |
| 13:19.22 | shastry | nvm |
| 13:19.25 | shastry | i think i found it |
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| 13:21.36 | adamt | sharms: lol :-) |
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| 13:24.27 | Shinku | KDE stands for kiddie right? where are the other pedo channels? |
| 13:25.01 | Shinku | Cmon guyz |
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| 13:25.14 | Shinku | OH SHIT |
| 13:25.17 | Shinku | PARTY VAN |
| 13:25.19 | Jucato | Shinku: you're still in the wrong channel |
| 13:25.22 | Shinku | WHAT |
| 13:25.25 | Shinku | SNAP |
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| 13:25.33 | adamt | ... :s |
| 13:25.41 | Jucato | spammed in #kubuntu also. |
| 13:25.54 | Jucato | probably a bash.org wannabe? |
| 13:26.49 | adamt | Jucato: Probably someone not old enough to be outside after 6pm :-) |
| 13:26.58 | Jucato | :) |
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| 13:29.48 | shastry | adamt: or totally boozed up |
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| 13:59.10 | ecastro | Where can i find info about kde4 development state? I really excited about it but havent heard anything for months. I mean, in the commits digest there is a lot of info, but no screenshots or sumarized info... for example phonon, decibel and plasma websites havent been updated for a while |
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| 14:00.55 | adamt | ecastro: You haven't seen any screenshots yet, because it would just look like plain kde3 at the moment |
| 14:01.31 | Desintegr | it's like KDE3 with craches and bugs :) |
| 14:01.35 | ecastro | adamt: but what about the plasma, decibel, phonon webpages? It seems as if there are no progress on this... |
| 14:02.16 | adamt | ecastro: Phonon just got merged with kdelibs a couple of days ago.. so .. something _does_ happend - i would recommend watching planetkde.org :-) |
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| 14:03.25 | adamt | but it would be really nice to have a global kde4 roadmap page / a page that told about all the latest things happening. |
| 14:03.36 | ecastro | ok... i'm sorry but im really looking forward to kde4, i'm really excited about all this "amazing" things that kde4 is said to have... |
| 14:03.46 | ecastro | adamt: i totally agree with you |
| 14:04.20 | Desintegr | you can read Commit Digest |
| 14:04.27 | ecastro | adamt: something like a summarized info about kde4, and not at a devel level, but more like milestones... |
| 14:04.31 | Desintegr | http://www.commit-digest.org/ |
| 14:05.13 | ecastro | Desintegr: yes, but it is too hard to have a global view of how far is kde4 from being completed from the commit digest |
| 14:05.13 | adamt | ecastro: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE4 <= there's some links at least |
| 14:05.31 | Sho_ | ecastro: The truth is there's simply no manpower to tend the websites |
| 14:06.00 | Sho_ | ecastro: What manpower is there goes into the product |
| 14:06.54 | Sho_ | ecastro: You can watch the videos from the talks of the Akademy 2006 Contributors Conference that will be made available next week on the state of various subsystems, though |
| 14:07.11 | physos | ecastro: or simply look at the slides. |
| 14:07.30 | ecastro | Sho_: and that's ok, i prefer to have people working in kde4 to get it out faster than people working on a "useless" website... but it is like I need to know where the project is and where it is going... |
| 14:07.31 | Jucato | videos? they've been released? :( |
| 14:07.36 | physos | ecastro: http://akademy.kde.org/conference/program.php links the availabel slides. |
| 14:07.43 | physos | Jucato: not yet. |
| 14:07.48 | Jucato | ah |
| 14:07.52 | ecastro | physos: thanks, i'll take a look at it |
| 14:08.02 | Sho_ | Jucato: That's why I wrote "that will be made available next week" ... |
| 14:08.13 | physos | Jucato: they still need work in conversion and editing. |
| 14:08.19 | Jucato | hope that some of the transcripts/talks would be released soon, too |
| 14:08.33 | Jucato | Sho_: oh... sorry... my brain stopped working after reading "videos" |
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| 14:08.52 | Jucato | got over-excited |
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| 14:10.26 | tstaerk | how can I disable specific screensavers |
| 14:10.33 | tstaerk | most of them are ugly |
| 14:11.30 | mariux | why even use a screensaver? |
| 14:11.43 | tstaerk | because it's eyecandy. |
| 14:11.49 | mariux | just turning off the screen when a certain number of minutes has gone is better for everything/one |
| 14:12.36 | physos | tstaerk: Kiosk has some control over the screensavers (disabling OpenGL ones for example) |
| 14:12.43 | physos | tstaerk: dunno if it can do more. |
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| 14:13.23 | physos | tstaerk: I seem to remember a "random screensaver" replacement where you could choose which screensavers to use. |
| 14:13.41 | tstaerk | ... but not in KDE 3.5 |
| 14:13.59 | physos | tstaerk: replacement ... dunno if it was kde-apps |
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| 14:14.58 | mariux | why doesnt konq have a copy image url right click option? |
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| 14:16.36 | tstaerk | we cannot bloat the ui |
| 14:16.40 | StellarPrince | how can I change to root under KDE ? |
| 14:16.44 | Jucato | mariux: View Image opens a new tab/window which will have the URL |
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| 14:17.22 | physos | StellarPrince: running an application as root or the complete desktop? |
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| 14:17.50 | physos | mariux: it has here. |
| 14:17.59 | physos | mariux: Says copy image just fine. |
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| 14:18.25 | Jucato | physos: I think he said "copy image URL"? |
| 14:18.28 | physos | mariux: depends where you paste it what it does |
| 14:18.29 | adamt | physos: "copy image _URL_" :-) |
| 14:18.35 | adamt | ahh okay |
| 14:18.44 | StellarPrince | physos: the 2 things |
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| 14:19.43 | physos | mariux: paste in a text --> URL, paste in a image viewer/graphics proggi --> imgae |
| 14:19.54 | mariux | Jucato: yea, but that takes 5 seconds |
| 14:19.56 | adamt | fancy. |
| 14:20.39 | physos | StellarPrince: Alt+F2 gives you the mini commandline. When you open the Settings, you can enter any user you want an application to be started with. |
| 14:21.20 | physos | StellarPrince: starting a complete desktop as root is probably easiest done by k-Menu --> Change user |
| 14:21.56 | mariux | anyone got kde keyboard shortcuts working in compiz? |
| 14:22.22 | adamt | mariux: which shortcuts? |
| 14:22.27 | mariux | alt+f2 |
| 14:22.30 | StellarPrince | thanks |
| 14:22.38 | mariux | alt+shift+s for kopete |
| 14:22.39 | mariux | and so on |
| 14:22.57 | adamt | mariux: alt+f2 works here with beryl |
| 14:23.14 | adamt | (beryl is the new name for compiz-quinn, or something like that) |
| 14:23.19 | mariux | what about all other keyboard shortcuts? |
| 14:23.25 | adamt | i'm not sure what alt+shift+s is supposed to do in kopete. |
| 14:23.44 | mariux | win+t = kontact |
| 14:23.44 | mariux | i've got loads of them |
| 14:23.55 | physos | mariux: Alt+F2 is a problem since minicli is a part of kdesktop which is not existent in compiz |
| 14:23.56 | adamt | mariux: no idea, i don't even have a windows button :-) |
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| 14:24.19 | mariux | its handy for keyboard shortcuts |
| 14:24.27 | adamt | only thing i don't have working, is my shortcuts for minimize, maximize.. etc.. which is quite logical.. |
| 14:24.29 | mariux | i barely use the mouse |
| 14:24.31 | StellarPrince | where is the change user from the k menu? |
| 14:24.32 | StellarPrince | .x |
| 14:24.32 | physos | mariux: thats the problem when people have to reinvent the wheel inside a corporation instead of using existing OpenSource approaches. |
| 14:24.38 | mariux | i even often surf without using the mouse |
| 14:24.52 | adamt | StellarPrince: "switch user" |
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| 14:25.07 | StellarPrince | I dont have that |
| 14:25.18 | Techdeck | hey guys, is there a way to update the menus? I compiled KDE and I don't seem to have any menu except maybe 4 small ones |
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| 14:25.31 | mariux | what menu? |
| 14:25.36 | physos | StellarPrince: Sorry, German language set ATM, maybe I get the commands not exactly translated. I do not read the commands anymore. |
| 14:25.39 | Techdeck | the one in kicker |
| 14:25.50 | Techdeck | my menus are not updated |
| 14:25.54 | adamt | Techdeck: the k-menu? |
| 14:25.57 | Techdeck | yes |
| 14:26.04 | StellarPrince | the one on left bottom |
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| 14:26.29 | Techdeck | why is it almost empty? |
| 14:26.35 | StellarPrince | can't see anything to switch the user |
| 14:26.35 | Techdeck | I have every KDE package installed |
| 14:26.45 | adamt | Techdeck: not updated? i'm not sure i understand, but try to right-click on the k-menu kicker button, and choose "edit" |
| 14:27.14 | Techdeck | adamt, i pressed it but its not running |
| 14:27.45 | adamt | Techdeck: so, basically you distro is broken? :p |
| 14:27.47 | StellarPrince | by the away, why when I press log-out from the K-menu shutdown options dont appear ? |
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| 14:28.03 | StellarPrince | I have the check in the KDE control Module <5> |
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| 14:28.26 | Techdeck | adamt, I'm asking what is broken.. I compiled these packages myself |
| 14:28.44 | Techdeck | and it worked before, but when I moved it to another dir it stopped showing the full menus |
| 14:28.48 | Techdeck | it's now in /usr/kde/ |
| 14:28.54 | Techdeck | I changed the variables I've been told to change |
| 14:29.01 | Techdeck | and still it doesn't show the menus |
| 14:29.01 | Techdeck | :\ |
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| 14:29.22 | CryoGenFX | does anyone know of a good (not even good, I'll settle for any) tutorial on how to create widget styles for KDE 3? The ones I google up are ancient and outdated by far |
| 14:30.34 | Techdeck | where are the default menus? |
| 14:30.55 | StellarPrince | how can I change the user for the entire desktop?? |
| 14:31.40 | adamt | StellarPrince: ehm.. log out.. and log in with a different user name? |
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| 14:32.23 | StellarPrince | adamt: that's the only solution? |
| 14:32.24 | StellarPrince | .x |
| 14:32.41 | Sho_ | StellarPrince: KMenu -> Switch User |
| 14:35.30 | StellarPrince | Sho_: I dont have that option |
| 14:36.03 | StellarPrince | I just have the option "Log off", neither restart or shutdown |
| 14:36.13 | adamt | StellarPrince: Do you use kdm? |
| 14:36.19 | pinotree | (or gdm) |
| 14:36.27 | StellarPrince | kdm? |
| 14:36.28 | StellarPrince | dunno |
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| 14:36.31 | Techdeck | thiago? |
| 14:36.38 | adamt | StellarPrince: how do you log into kde? |
| 14:37.02 | StellarPrince | well I write "startx" at shell |
| 14:37.14 | adamt | okay, that's why. |
| 14:37.18 | StellarPrince | ok |
| 14:37.51 | adamt | you need to use kdm (or gdm - or any other display manager - pinotree?) to get the features you need. |
| 14:38.00 | Techdeck | adamt, that whole 'your distro is broken' turned out to be a missing symlink :> |
| 14:38.04 | StellarPrince | ok |
| 14:38.07 | StellarPrince | thanks |
| 14:38.07 | StellarPrince | :p |
| 14:38.48 | adamt | Techdeck: well, technically it _was_ broken :p |
| 14:38.50 | pinotree | adamt: i think the shutdown and reboot options work only with only kdm and gdm (>= 3.5) |
| 14:38.53 | Techdeck | :> |
| 14:38.57 | adamt | (not much, but still a little ;-) |
| 14:39.24 | Techdeck | ln -s /usr/kde/etc/xdg /etc/xdg |
| 14:39.30 | Techdeck | just in case you were wondering :p |
| 14:40.20 | adamt | i'm not. i don't have a single clue about what xdg is |
| 14:40.31 | adamt | (okay, that's a lie - project portland-related?) |
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| 14:44.00 | Techdeck | hmm |
| 14:44.09 | Techdeck | is there a way to know which pcre version I used to build KDE? |
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| 14:46.50 | Ahcoeur | ;msg nickserv identify ilovedasex |
| 14:47.03 | Jucato | *cough* |
| 14:47.13 | Ahcoeur | Jucato ;) |
| 14:47.51 | adamt | /msg nickserv identify ilovepinchingboobies |
| 14:47.53 | adamt | ^^ |
| 14:48.28 | Ahcoeur | :p |
| 14:48.53 | Jucato | O_O |
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| 15:18.50 | qknight | hey. i've got a strange problem with konqueror 3.4.2 level b suse 10. if i type in www.kde.org for instance i have to wait for about 30 seconds |
| 15:19.13 | qknight | i made an ethereal trace and found out that the dns handling takes much time |
| 15:19.19 | pinotree | does it happen wirg other sites as well? |
| 15:19.41 | pinotree | type "host www.kde.org" in a shell |
| 15:20.00 | pinotree | is also that command takes long, then it's not a kde issue |
| 15:21.01 | qknight | yes it's true for other sites as well. but with firefox i don't have any problem. also dig finds out the domain very very fast "dig kde.org" for example takes real 0m0.236s |
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| 15:22.31 | qknight | it's a konqueror issue |
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| 15:22.58 | qknight | where can i erase all the konqueror saves? .kde/apps/konqueror ? is there another directory responsible for konquero specific configuration? |
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| 15:23.54 | Ze_M | i saw that now in the configure from arts many options have disappeared, can anyoine comment? |
| 15:24.00 | Ze_M | pinotree: ping |
| 15:24.05 | joshuafr | hi all |
| 15:24.11 | pinotree | yes? |
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| 15:24.43 | Ze_M | pinotree: can you say some about what i asked? |
| 15:25.09 | pinotree | only that i knew about the midi test removed |
| 15:25.34 | joshuafr | I have a small problem each time I start KDE, I have the "first time assistant" asking me to configure KDE. How can I disabled it? |
| 15:26.18 | Jucato | joshuafr: you're on Kubuntu? |
| 15:26.35 | Ze_M | pinotree: but there other removed |
| 15:26.47 | pinotree | Ze_M: what i said above? |
| 15:26.59 | joshuafr | Jucato: yes |
| 15:27.11 | pinotree | joshuafr: in your .kde/share/config/kpersonalizerrc, put the following lines |
| 15:27.14 | pinotree | [General] |
| 15:27.14 | pinotree | FirstLogin=false |
| 15:27.14 | Dr_willis | thats odd.. ive never seen that assistant on kubuntu. |
| 15:27.32 | Jucato | Dr_willis: KPersonalizer |
| 15:27.40 | Jucato | it's a bug in KDE 3.5.4 on Kubuntu |
| 15:28.04 | Dr_willis | interesting.. i dont seem to be affected. :P i dont even have that file. Lol |
| 15:28.06 | Techdeck | kio (KIOJob): stat file:///usr/kde/share/wallpapers/blue_angle_swirl.jpg |
| 15:28.06 | Techdeck | kio (KIOJob): error 4 Cannot create thumbnail for /usr/kde/share/wallpapers/blue_angle_swirl.jpg |
| 15:28.08 | joshuafr | pinotree: thanks |
| 15:28.09 | Techdeck | any ideas anyone? |
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| 15:28.34 | Techdeck | it seems I can't see any jpeg's or pngs |
| 15:28.47 | Jucato | joshuafr: edit /usr/bin/startkde (kdesu kate /usr/bin/startkde) look for the line "kpersonalizerrc General FirstLogin true" and replace "true" with "false" |
| 15:29.26 | Techdeck | it gives me this error when I try to preview images |
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| 15:30.16 | pinotree | Ze_M: next time, PLEASE avoid doing cross-posting with people that don't even know what they're talking about |
| 15:31.16 | joshuafr | Jucato: done |
| 15:31.30 | Jucato | joshuafr: now that won't happen again when you log back in |
| 15:31.32 | joshuafr | thanks for your help men |
| 15:31.37 | Ze_M | pinotree: he knows enough |
| 15:31.41 | pinotree | no |
| 15:31.49 | Ze_M | and i just asked him to post some questions |
| 15:31.53 | pinotree | he's talking about *configure* options |
| 15:31.58 | pinotree | not gui options |
| 15:32.00 | Jucato | joshuafr: no problem. it's a "dirty" hack though... but what else can we do :) |
| 15:32.32 | Ze_M | pinotree: and is saying correctly, the options that appear in ./Uconfigure --help |
| 15:32.34 | Ze_M | ./configure --help |
| 15:32.42 | joshuafr | :-) |
| 15:32.50 | pinotree | Ze_M: arts is *unmaintained*, so nobody is doing work, neither removing options |
| 15:33.17 | Ze_M | pinotree: well there arent there now options that used to exist |
| 15:33.33 | Sho_ | pinotree: Actually kling did remove an option last week ... ;) |
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| 15:34.16 | Ze_M | pinotree: appears that you arent updated about the subject to talk about it |
| 15:34.26 | pinotree | http://websvn.kde.org/branches/arts/1.5/arts/ |
| 15:34.41 | pinotree | let changes was done *2 months* ago |
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| 15:34.47 | pinotree | last* |
| 15:35.13 | adamt | lol, slapping the ops in the face usually is a stupid think to do, Ze_M :p |
| 15:35.28 | pinotree | he's habit to do that |
| 15:35.39 | Hubble | how can you make kicker use applets from /usr/share/apps/kicker/applets, too? |
| 15:35.40 | Sho_ | pinotree: we're talking about KControl, though ... r587881 btw |
| 15:35.49 | pinotree | Sho_: and of course he not |
| 15:35.49 | Ze_M | adamt: i havent done that |
| 15:36.12 | Sho_ | pinotree: oh, I thought he was talking about arts options in KControl |
| 15:36.22 | pinotree | Sho_: that's what i thought too |
| 15:36.37 | pinotree | then Ze_M, what about elight us about the *real* configure options? |
| 15:36.38 | Ze_M | pinotree: even so they were done |
| 15:37.09 | Ze_M | well apears you already saw them in what flighter said |
| 15:37.42 | Techdeck | come on.. anyone? |
| 15:37.48 | Techdeck | why wouldn't KDE be able to preview images? |
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| 15:37.59 | Techdeck | it can't create thumbnails it says, but why? |
| 15:38.03 | Sho_ | Techdeck: Do you have Crossover Office installed? |
| 15:38.35 | Techdeck | Sho_, nope |
| 15:38.50 | Techdeck | I just put it in an unusual path |
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| 15:38.55 | Techdeck | but still I don't see what might cause this |
| 15:39.00 | Sho_ | ok (CXO has a known bug in certain versions that installs MIME types that break JPEG in KDE) |
| 15:39.06 | Howitzer | Techdeck, you selected images to preview? |
| 15:39.11 | Techdeck | yes |
| 15:39.13 | Howitzer | and do you have a thumbnailer? |
| 15:39.18 | Techdeck | they don't even work without the preview |
| 15:39.31 | Techdeck | after I select them as my background, it shows another background |
| 15:39.35 | Techdeck | and the same goes for all images |
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| 15:39.53 | Techdeck | what thumbnailer? i thought konstruct should compile everything for me |
| 15:40.09 | Techdeck | kio (KIOJob): stat file:///usr/kde/share/wallpapers/blue_angle_swirl.jpg |
| 15:40.10 | Techdeck | kio (KIOJob): error 4 Cannot create thumbnail for /usr/kde/share/wallpapers/blue_angle_swirl.jpg |
| 15:40.14 | Techdeck | this is the error I'm getting |
| 15:40.24 | pinotree | you have that file, right? |
| 15:40.29 | Howitzer | community/epeg 0.9.0.007-2 |
| 15:40.29 | Howitzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.32 | Techdeck | yes pinotree |
| 15:40.34 | Howitzer | for example |
| 15:41.06 | Techdeck | Howitzer, no, but even when I choose it it doesn't work |
| 15:41.33 | Techdeck | pinotree, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11826 Sep 10 2005 /usr/kde/share/wallpapers/blue_angle_swirl.jpg |
| 15:41.46 | pinotree | ok ok, a 'yes' was enough ;) |
| 15:41.47 | Techdeck | and i ran X as root just to make sure it's not a permission problem |
| 15:41.54 | Techdeck | :P |
| 15:42.16 | Techdeck | any ideas? |
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| 15:42.52 | Howitzer | ehm |
| 15:42.59 | Howitzer | run X as normal user please |
| 15:43.09 | Techdeck | it was just to test the permissions |
| 15:43.15 | Howitzer | oh |
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| 15:44.27 | Techdeck | it shows one thumbnail (and one picture) for all of the pictures |
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| 15:45.09 | Techdeck | actually |
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| 15:45.14 | Techdeck | it shows .svgz |
| 15:45.17 | Techdeck | but not .png and .jpg |
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| 15:47.09 | adamt | weird. since i started using beryl and aiglx, my kmenu opens quite a lot faster. |
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| 15:49.02 | qknight | ok i've edited my /etc/resolv.conf and instead of 192.168.100.181 (which works as gw and dns server here) i've added the dns directly and konqueror now is much much faster |
| 15:49.35 | qknight | so it's a local dns server configuration problem but i can't resolve it. what's the reason for konqueror to work faster with direct dns addresses instead of using my router? |
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| 15:49.49 | adamt | qknight: it probably doesn't work as dns forwarder since the timeouts.. |
| 15:50.08 | adamt | try this in a shell: |
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| 15:50.18 | adamt | nslookup www.kde.org 192.168.100.181 |
| 15:50.27 | qknight | adamt: for firefox the "nameserver 192.168.100.181" worked very goood and i didn't have any other problems so far |
| 15:50.52 | qknight | adamt: real 0m0.137s |
| 15:50.56 | adamt | hmm. |
| 15:50.58 | qknight | adamt: i think your command is quite good |
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| 15:51.04 | qknight | adamt: err i mean the result |
| 15:51.09 | adamt | heh lol |
| 15:51.44 | adamt | "real 0m0.011s" <= no, _that_ is quite good :-) |
| 15:52.11 | qknight | adamt: yes that was from the cache |
| 15:52.12 | adamt | anyways, i'm not sure what the problem is :/ |
| 15:52.19 | qknight | adamt: i belive you |
| 15:52.24 | qknight | adamt: it's hard to know |
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| 15:54.31 | Techdeck | :( |
| 15:54.47 | adamt | Techdeck: you didn't forget a strange configure option, did you? |
| 15:54.50 | Hubble | has someone of you been able to use this --> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=33257 <-- with gentoo? |
| 15:54.57 | Techdeck | adamt, like what? |
| 15:55.13 | Techdeck | i dont think i forgot anything |
| 15:55.20 | adamt | Techdeck: no idea, i've never compiled kde manually.. |
| 15:55.29 | Techdeck | :( |
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| 15:55.43 | Techdeck | where's thiago when I need him :p |
| 15:56.24 | adamt | Techdeck: probably drinking beer :-) |
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| 15:58.05 | Techdeck | :P |
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| 16:00.33 | bala | hi |
| 16:01.05 | Techdeck | ok weird, in konq I can see the image |
| 16:01.06 | Techdeck | :S:S: |
| 16:01.07 | Techdeck | WTF |
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| 16:03.18 | bala | how to set the nick name in irc |
| 16:03.25 | bala | any help??? |
| 16:03.39 | adamt | bala: It depends on the client you use. |
| 16:03.41 | Dr_willis | - /nick I_Never_read_docs |
| 16:03.42 | Dr_willis | :) |
| 16:05.19 | bala | i am using konversation |
| 16:05.39 | adamt | bala: You need to set up your identity.. look in the menus.. |
| 16:06.01 | Sho_ | bala: /nick <nick> |
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| 16:09.01 | lunitik | Why do kio_* never get killed? I seem to acquire like 10 kio_file or kio_http daily... annoying ;/ |
| 16:09.24 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also kio_imap |
| 16:09.42 | adamt | lunitik: they should kill themself eventually.. |
| 16:09.57 | Dr_Phreakenstein | I agree |
| 16:10.09 | lunitik | adamt: guess I'm not patient enough? they should be killed with the app that spawned them at least |
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| 16:10.55 | adamt | Dr_Phreakenstein: what do you agree with? it wasn't a suggestion, they _are_ supposed to commit suicide at some point |
| 16:11.01 | adamt | :p |
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| 16:15.12 | lunitik | I don't see the point of keeping them around when you're not even using an app that can utilize them... |
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| 16:16.40 | XVampireX | MEH! WHEN WILL KDE4 BE OUT? |
| 16:17.08 | icwiener_ | Wait another year... |
| 16:17.11 | tstaerk | 1 year or so |
| 16:17.22 | tstaerk | why do you want it ? What are you missing ? |
| 16:18.22 | adamt | phonon, solid and plasma ^^ |
| 16:18.25 | icwiener_ | The number "4". It has gone with 3.5.5. ;) |
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| 16:18.52 | alexxio | got an easy upgrading kde guide? |
| 16:19.49 | tstaerk | alexxio upgrading to 3.5.5 ? |
| 16:20.01 | tstaerk | latest stable release is 3.5.5, btw. |
| 16:20.29 | icwiener_ | I'm more interested in whan 3.5.5 is officially out. I want a "what's new" list. :D |
| 16:20.34 | adamt | tstaerk: no it isn't |
| 16:20.41 | icwiener_ | tstaerk: Oh, is it released yet? |
| 16:20.46 | adamt | tstaerk: 3.5.5 isn't released yet |
| 16:20.50 | tstaerk | icwiener_: yes |
| 16:21.00 | adamt | icwiener_: no |
| 16:21.02 | alexxio | got a guide? |
| 16:21.05 | tstaerk | well, look at websvn.kde.org/tags and know it forever ;) |
| 16:21.15 | icwiener_ | tstaerk: The website doesn't mention it. |
| 16:21.16 | alexxio | everytime i press ctrl+tab , KWIN CRASHES...need help |
| 16:21.19 | adamt | tstaerk: it's tagged, YES, but not release.. |
| 16:21.23 | tstaerk | guide for upgrading to what ? |
| 16:21.29 | alexxio | i have 3.5.3 |
| 16:21.34 | adamt | god damn it... look in the topic.. |
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| 16:21.40 | adamt | "Latest releases: stable: 3.5.4." :-) |
| 16:21.50 | tstaerk | basically what I wanted to say is that the topic is wrong. |
| 16:21.52 | alexxio | yeasterday i did urpmi--auto-select and now my linux functions very bad! |
| 16:22.01 | icwiener_ | tstaerk: There were at least 3 Bugs fixed after tagging. So the distributors were maybe a bit to fast. ;) |
| 16:22.20 | icwiener_ | alexxio: What does it? |
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| 16:22.46 | adamt | then he runs.. .coward.. |
| 16:22.51 | alexxio | what? |
| 16:23.22 | icwiener_ | alexxio: Yes, what does it do, what you dislike? |
| 16:24.22 | icwiener_ | alexxio: Oh, just read it... |
| 16:24.51 | alexxio | everytime i press ctrl+tab , KWIN CRASHES...need help |
| 16:25.04 | alexxio | and sometimes other kde apps are crashing i don't know why |
| 16:25.15 | adamt | alexxio: it's probably mandriva specific.. |
| 16:25.21 | icwiener_ | alexxio: Have you compiled KDE from source? |
| 16:25.28 | adamt | try joining #mandriva.. |
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| 16:40.41 | StellarPrince | hi |
| 16:40.52 | StellarPrince | what application can I see the cpu freq ? |
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| 16:48.43 | Sho_ | StellarPrince: KSysGuard |
| 16:49.06 | StellarPrince | Sho_: I'm using that |
| 16:49.20 | StellarPrince | Sho_: but I can't see real time clock |
| 16:49.39 | StellarPrince | how can I configure my cpu frequency? |
| 16:52.00 | thiago | /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq |
| 16:52.51 | StellarPrince | i dont's have that file cpufreq |
| 16:52.57 | thiago | that's a dir |
| 16:53.12 | thiago | do you have a processor that supports CPU frequency scaling? |
| 16:53.39 | StellarPrince | yes |
| 16:53.42 | StellarPrince | an intel M |
| 16:53.45 | StellarPrince | pentium M |
| 16:53.47 | StellarPrince | centrino |
| 16:53.52 | sredna | How can I get a khotkeys action to insert a @??? |
| 16:53.56 | StellarPrince | I have checked the options at kernel |
| 16:54.12 | sredna | I can get it to insert letters, but 'ALTGR+2' produces nothing :( |
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| 16:54.52 | StellarPrince | # ls |
| 16:54.52 | StellarPrince | root@darkstar:/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0# |
| 16:54.54 | StellarPrince | is empty |
| 16:55.56 | thiago | StellarPrince: load the cpufreq modules |
| 16:56.08 | thiago | sredna: what does xev say? |
| 16:56.29 | icwiener_ | sredna: What Layout do you have? |
| 16:56.51 | StellarPrince | thiago: I compile kernel with that options as builtin, not as modules |
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| 16:58.56 | thiago | is cpufreqd running? |
| 16:58.59 | sredna | thiago: Xev says a lot |
| 16:59.24 | thiago | sredna: when you press the 2 in AltGr+2, what does it say as KeyPress? |
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| 16:59.41 | sredna | Amongst others 'ISO_Level3_Shift' |
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| 17:00.32 | thiago | sredna: it says ISO_Level3_Shift for 2? |
| 17:00.34 | thiago | huh? |
| 17:00.36 | sredna | thiago: Is suggests 'at' - maybe that will work |
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| 17:00.46 | StellarPrince | thiago: how can I know it it is running? |
| 17:00.55 | sredna | Na, the other thing was just the altgr key |
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| 17:01.19 | thiago | sredna: xmodmap -pk | grep '(2)' |
| 17:02.00 | sredna | thiago: That also contains 'at' |
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| 17:02.08 | thiago | sredna: how about the third value? |
| 17:02.31 | sredna | 11 0x0032 (2) 0x0022 (quotedbl) 0x0040 (at) 0x00b2 (twosuperior) |
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| 17:02.52 | thiago | ok, the 2 key is correct |
| 17:02.56 | thiago | it must be the modifiers then |
| 17:02.57 | StellarPrince | well thiago, in KSysGuard I can see Clock Frequency into the CPU0 folder |
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| 17:04.00 | sredna | If I enter 'at' as the keyboard input in khotkeys, the action prints '2' as well |
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| 17:04.29 | thiago | StellarPrince: when you pressed AltGr+2 in xev, what was the line that contained keysym? |
| 17:05.27 | sredna | thiago: State 0x80, keycode 11 (keysym 0x40, at), same_screen YES, |
| 17:05.50 | Techdeck | thiago! |
| 17:06.11 | StellarPrince | I'm seeing at /etc/rc.d/rc.modules-2.6.17.13 |
| 17:06.14 | StellarPrince | and I can see this: |
| 17:06.30 | thiago | sredna: according to that, it worked. |
| 17:06.31 | StellarPrince | ### CPU frequency scaling modules: |
| 17:06.31 | StellarPrince | # generic ACPI P-States based driver |
| 17:06.31 | StellarPrince | #/sbin/modprobe acpi-cpufreq |
| 17:06.31 | StellarPrince | # AMD mobile K6-2/3+ PowerNow! |
| 17:06.31 | StellarPrince | #/sbin/modprobe powernow-k |
| 17:06.33 | thiago | Techdeck: hey |
| 17:06.35 | StellarPrince | some commented lines.. |
| 17:06.37 | thiago | StellarPrince: don't flood. |
| 17:06.41 | Techdeck | thiago, I have a weird problem, when I try to set my background it will not let me preview jpg or png but will let me preview svgz, and when I choose a certain background, it doesn't work :( any ideas? |
| 17:06.41 | StellarPrince | sorry |
| 17:06.41 | thiago | StellarPrince: this is not a KDE problem. |
| 17:06.44 | sredna | thiago: Yes. But it didn't :( |
| 17:06.46 | Techdeck | if anyone knows it should be you :p |
| 17:06.54 | thiago | sredna: where are you testing? |
| 17:07.11 | sredna | thiago: Ksirc, kmail composer TO field |
| 17:07.24 | Techdeck | thiago, I think it's something to do with the location I put KDE in |
| 17:07.27 | Techdeck | /usr/kde/ |
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| 17:08.02 | thiago | Techdeck: no, sorry |
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| 17:08.09 | Techdeck | :( |
| 17:08.13 | Techdeck | maybe this error will help? |
| 17:08.15 | Techdeck | kio (KIOJob): stat file:///usr/kde/share/wallpapers/blue_angle_swirl.jpg |
| 17:08.15 | Techdeck | kio (KIOJob): error 4 Cannot create thumbnail for /usr/kde/share/wallpapers/blue_angle_swirl.jpg |
| 17:08.21 | Techdeck | I get this when I try to preview something |
| 17:08.41 | StellarPrince | thiago: why did you tell me to test events? |
| 17:08.46 | Techdeck | and that file exists |
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| 17:10.35 | thiago | StellarPrince: because I thought it was something simple. |
| 17:10.43 | thiago | Techdeck: actually, yes |
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| 17:10.54 | Techdeck | thiago, what might it be? |
| 17:10.55 | thiago | Techdeck: it means you've got the same problem I do with some JPEG thumbnailing |
| 17:11.04 | thiago | Techdeck: I don't know the reason. And it doesn't affect all JPEGs. |
| 17:11.13 | Techdeck | i'm having it with png too :\ |
| 17:11.16 | Techdeck | it's horrible :\ |
| 17:11.34 | Techdeck | do you install in a non-standard dir too? |
| 17:12.27 | thiago | no, it's pretty standard |
| 17:12.35 | thiago | /usr/local/kde3-r<Subversion revision> |
| 17:12.43 | Techdeck | :\ |
| 17:12.57 | Techdeck | there must be a fix |
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| 17:14.02 | thiago | none so far |
| 17:14.10 | thiago | it's been around for quite some time, though |
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| 17:14.25 | Techdeck | but how come it won't let me set the background either? |
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| 17:15.25 | fs-a_ | hi, is there a way to limit konqueror's thumbnail cache? |
| 17:16.43 | thiago | Techdeck: because it's probably the same code that does thumbnailing that is used to set the size of the background image |
| 17:16.53 | nlindblad | any problems using e17 with KDE? (currently using e16) |
| 17:17.38 | Techdeck | and no fix for such thing?? |
| 17:17.39 | Techdeck | :\ |
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| 17:17.56 | rushfan | Is there anyway to configure krecord so it records the capture device instead of the input? |
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| 17:19.15 | JRGC_ | I just reinstalled my linux bos and stayed with my old home, now when I type anything I get weird characters, where can I reconfigure this? |
| 17:19.20 | Techdeck | what is the KDE package to display images? |
| 17:19.38 | thiago | JRGC_: define "weird" |
| 17:20.39 | JRGC_ | thiago: THey look like arabic or something like that, in the konsole I get only ???? |
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| 17:21.35 | thiago | what is your $LANG? |
| 17:23.19 | JRGC_ | thiago: How do I know? |
| 17:23.27 | JRGC_ | thiago: Where can I search this? |
| 17:23.52 | JRGC_ | thiago: it's not in the rc.conf, I don't find this |
| 17:23.57 | thiago | open a shell and type: echo $LANG |
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| 17:24.07 | adamt | damn i hate thoose stupid asp.net 2.0 websites - most of the doesn't work with konqueror :@ |
| 17:24.37 | adamt | *of them |
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| 17:24.54 | thiago | adamt: even if you change the identification? |
| 17:25.24 | adamt | thiago: i'll just try that. but they work in seamonkey/mozilla/firefox =/ |
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| 17:25.35 | JRGC_ | thiago: Now I know why, apparently they changed la to laos and now latin american is lat so KDE had la as keyboard layout, which was correct, but now it's not |
| 17:25.45 | JRGC_ | thiago: thanx for your help |
| 17:25.49 | adamt | thiago: WTF |
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| 17:25.53 | adamt | thiago: that makes me mad =/ |
| 17:25.59 | fs-a_ | how to limit konqueror's thumbnail cache? |
| 17:26.12 | thiago | fs-a_: no such thing |
| 17:26.14 | adamt | (it works - thank you for the idea) |
| 17:27.13 | fs-a_ | thiago: disk fills up? |
| 17:27.37 | fs-a_ | elegant |
| 17:27.59 | fs-a_ | can it be at least disabled? |
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| 17:28.08 | thiago | fs-a_: it expires old entries |
| 17:28.52 | fs-a_ | right now its 60MB and i rarely use it |
| 17:29.06 | fs-a_ | i actually only used it 4 or 5 times |
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| 17:29.37 | thiago | you never use Konqueror? |
| 17:29.50 | fs-a_ | rarely |
| 17:30.05 | fs-a_ | those are old too, didnt delete them |
| 17:30.42 | fs-a_ | i mean if you going to backup /home, you dont need a .thumbnail of hundrends of megabytes |
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| 17:33.02 | tech9iner | G'Day all. thiago .. |
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| 17:33.27 | villr[]ye | good day indeed |
| 17:34.37 | sredna | Shoot bill gates someone |
| 17:34.40 | sredna | Please |
| 17:34.57 | icwiener_ | What does he have to do with IE? |
| 17:35.00 | villr[]ye | sredna: that would solve nothing. |
| 17:35.12 | villr[]ye | bill gates doesn't code ie :-) |
| 17:35.19 | sredna | villr[]ye: But it would make me feel better for a short while |
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| 17:35.26 | villr[]ye | lol |
| 17:35.29 | fs-a | its all apple's fault |
| 17:35.36 | fs-a | and their shiny windows' |
| 17:35.46 | fs-a | oh, console was not enough |
| 17:35.49 | fs-a | oh, we need windows |
| 17:36.05 | villr[]ye | we need GUI actually |
| 17:36.28 | fs-a | oh, we need graphics |
| 17:36.36 | fs-a | audio |
| 17:36.52 | villr[]ye | http://illogic-al.org/rants.html#genesis |
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| 17:37.55 | adamt | sredna: Let's do it together. We'll rendevouz at kastrup airport :-) |
| 17:38.05 | sredna | Lol |
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| 17:40.40 | adamt | sredna: I'll bring my ThinkPad. Then we can kill him by hitting him with it ^^ |
| 17:41.14 | icwiener_ | Kill Steve Ballmer instead. He's much more annoying. |
| 17:41.19 | villr[]ye | or just turning it on and waiting for the battery to explode in his face. |
| 17:41.59 | villr[]ye | DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! |
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| 17:42.27 | thiago | villr[]ye: don't be annoying. |
| 17:43.00 | villr[]ye | :-( |
| 17:43.13 | adamt | villr[]ye: Sadly i have a Sanyo battery, and not a Sony made battery.. i would have enjoyed getting a new one.. |
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| 17:44.32 | villr[]ye | i WANT MEAT. |
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| 17:45.58 | villr[]ye | thiago: just did. thanks :-) |
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| 17:58.41 | beemonk | I have a applications-kmenuedit.menu file, I put it in /root/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu - and logged out/in, but still my menus arent back to normal....Am i being stupid and missing something... |
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| 17:59.59 | adamt | beemonk: ehh... /root/ ? |
| 18:00.05 | thiago | beemonk: define "normal" |
| 18:00.06 | adamt | Are you running KDE as root? |
| 18:00.12 | beemonk | no im not, im in my user account |
| 18:00.17 | beemonk | thats what imeant.... i know im missing something |
| 18:00.20 | beemonk | sorry im new... |
| 18:00.36 | beemonk | that would just be modifying roots menus....right? |
| 18:00.45 | thiago | right |
| 18:00.51 | beemonk | but there is no /home/myuser/.config/ |
| 18:01.04 | beemonk | well, wait there is |
| 18:01.05 | beemonk | im an idiot. |
| 18:01.38 | adamt | beemonk: no you're not |
| 18:01.45 | adamt | you just new :-) |
| 18:01.55 | adamt | *you're |
| 18:02.05 | beemonk | well, i asked something with similar ignorance yesterday in remote-exploit |
| 18:02.06 | beemonk | i got told |
| 18:02.09 | beemonk | LOL LEARN LINUX!!1111 |
| 18:02.20 | beemonk | I've never been like that to anyone coming to me for windows advice :/ |
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| 18:03.35 | adamt | beemonk: Some people are ignorant idiots. Most other (i hope..) is quite nice people :-) |
| 18:03.45 | beemonk | But...this doesn't make sense...I've put the right applications-kmenuedit.menu file in my user directory, i checked the file to make sure my shoutcuts are in the file, but my menu is still the same without shortcuts |
| 18:03.49 | beemonk | adamt :) |
| 18:04.08 | adamt | beemonk: Are you modifying the file while kde is running? |
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| 18:04.20 | beemonk | well i replaced it, then logged out/logged in |
| 18:04.24 | beemonk | and it had no effect |
| 18:04.29 | adamt | i suspekt k-menu might be saving the menu on shutdown.. |
| 18:04.30 | beemonk | so im missing something simple :/ |
| 18:04.32 | adamt | *suspect |
| 18:04.33 | beemonk | ahhh |
| 18:04.39 | beemonk | is there a file to edit to stop that |
| 18:04.43 | adamt | but - i'm not sure |
| 18:05.00 | adamt | beemonk: you could stop kicker, edit, and start kicker again - 2secs - let me tell you how |
| 18:05.15 | beemonk | i could what sorry? |
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| 18:05.49 | adamt | beemonk: kicker is the whole panel, which contains the k-menu |
| 18:06.06 | beemonk | whats the cmd to stop it? |
| 18:06.09 | adamt | type this in a shell: "dcop kicker kicker quit" (without "") |
| 18:06.12 | beemonk | ahhh thanks |
| 18:06.17 | adamt | then edit the file |
| 18:06.28 | beemonk | but...thats the thing |
| 18:06.31 | adamt | and type kicker& in a shell to start it again |
| 18:06.33 | beemonk | the file is edited perfectly |
| 18:06.39 | beemonk | it has all of the things in it i want... |
| 18:06.39 | adamt | ohh.. |
| 18:06.45 | adamt | then that's not the problem |
| 18:06.51 | beemonk | but its like the kmenu isnt reading the file or something.... |
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| 18:07.46 | B-Minus | hello |
| 18:08.02 | B-Minus | im looking for a 'show desktop applet' for kde, is that one included ? |
| 18:08.03 | adamt | hi B-Minus! |
| 18:08.13 | adamt | beemonk: maybe you got the filename wrong? |
| 18:08.14 | B-Minus | im minimizing all windows now :p |
| 18:08.37 | adamt | B-Minus: i'm quite sure it is, just let me check |
| 18:08.51 | B-Minus | tnx a lot im also checking but cant find it :s |
| 18:10.01 | adamt | B-Minus: right-click on kicker -> add applet to panel -> find the one named "Show Desktop" |
| 18:10.26 | adamt | beemonk: Can you upload the content of the file you are having problems with to a pastebin or something? |
| 18:10.35 | B-Minus | on kicker ? |
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| 18:11.36 | adamt | B-Minus: kicker is the panel that contains the k-menu, the taskbar, the clock.. etc :-) |
| 18:11.52 | beemonk | adamt : I think i got confused, being in su, i typed |
| 18:11.59 | beemonk | ~/ instead of /home/myusername |
| 18:12.02 | beemonk | and it copied it to root |
| 18:12.10 | adamt | ahh okay |
| 18:12.19 | beemonk | so.... dcop kicker kicker quit |
| 18:12.27 | beemonk | then... dcop kicker kicker start ? |
| 18:12.35 | B-Minus | oh now i see |
| 18:12.36 | B-Minus | tnx |
| 18:12.37 | adamt | beemonk: no. just kicker& |
| 18:12.40 | beemonk | ah |
| 18:12.47 | adamt | (the & is intentional) |
| 18:13.24 | adamt | beemonk: but watch out for permission problems - root might own the file now, which probably means that your normal user can't edit the file |
| 18:14.25 | beemonk | now...a few things have disappeared from the menu and it doesnt work |
| 18:14.31 | beemonk | well it works but, it hasnt read the file like it should |
| 18:14.34 | beemonk | i think the permissions are ok |
| 18:14.52 | beemonk | wel... -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root |
| 18:15.14 | adamt | your normal user can't write to it, only read an execute |
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| 18:16.09 | beemonk | whats that.... chown... |
| 18:16.28 | oGALAXYo | its like clown.. |
| 18:16.32 | oGALAXYo | but nastier :) |
| 18:16.36 | beemonk | yeah im thinkng of the syntax :P |
| 18:16.49 | beemonk | chown -R myuser:users |
| 18:16.50 | beemonk | i think ? |
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| 18:17.04 | beemonk | errr |
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| 18:17.22 | adamt | beemonk: don't look at me. i would probably run away screaming, or start konqueror as root and fix it that way :) |
| 18:17.52 | adamt | (geez, and i call myself a gentoo-user... ohh well..) |
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| 18:29.22 | axxo | can i use arts to make sound of one app go lower when another plays something? |
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| 18:31.42 | adamt | axxo: Probably not |
| 18:31.49 | axxo | anything that can? |
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| 18:32.35 | B-Minus | does anyone in here have experience with nmap ? |
| 18:33.19 | adamt | B-Minus: Probably ;-) - just state your question |
| 18:33.36 | Liquid_Fire | axxo: from what i hear, that will be possible with KDE 4's sound system |
| 18:33.57 | adamt | B-Minus: i have some experience, but i'm not an expert. So i might be able to help you, or not. But i wont now that until i now the question.. |
| 18:34.02 | axxo | Liquid_Fire: nice |
| 18:34.08 | B-Minus | ok |
| 18:34.10 | adamt | *know |
| 18:34.15 | B-Minus | i made a file with some ip adresses in it |
| 18:34.36 | B-Minus | and now i can do nmap on it so it says which ips are up |
| 18:34.42 | B-Minus | but i want to see the ones that are down :p |
| 18:35.49 | adamt | substract the ones that are up from all the ip-addresses ? :p |
| 18:36.12 | B-Minus | heh yeah but at my work we have like 200 servers |
| 18:36.20 | B-Minus | so i need to see quickly which are down |
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| 18:36.46 | adamt | wouldn't it be easier just to ping the machine? |
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| 18:36.57 | B-Minus | sometimes it is |
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| 18:37.06 | adamt | (unless you're monitoring specific services, of course) |
| 18:37.13 | B-Minus | but sometimes we are like searching too long whats going on |
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| 18:37.30 | B-Minus | and it would be great if nmap can tell me whois not responding |
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| 18:42.57 | adamt | thiago: Did you have any ideas about why asp.net =>2.0 sites served different content to konqueror and mozilla? |
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| 18:53.05 | BeOSMrX | when i end my kde session the lcd goes 'input not supported' |
| 18:53.25 | beemonk | adamt |
| 18:54.24 | adamt | beemonk: yes? |
| 18:54.46 | adamt | beemonk: your DM is using another resolution than your desktop? |
| 18:55.00 | adamt | (DM = display manager, ie. KDM/GDM/XDM.. etc) |
| 18:55.07 | adamt | * BeOSMrX ^^ |
| 18:55.15 | BeOSMrX | what |
| 18:55.32 | BeOSMrX | go prv |
| 18:56.03 | adamt | no, just read what i wrote about DM.. |
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| 18:56.22 | adamt | weechat's tab-completion is not something i'll ever learn to use ;-) |
| 18:56.27 | BeOSMrX | i told u kde |
| 18:56.28 | uein | why in KWifimanager it never loads the configuration on startup |
| 18:56.36 | uein | and I have the checked in config 1 |
| 18:57.39 | adamt | BeOSMrX: the display manager is the screen you log in from |
| 18:57.43 | BeOSMrX | my log in screen uses a different resolution than kde |
| 18:58.32 | adamt | yes.. fix that to avoid the message from your monitor |
| 18:58.50 | BeOSMrX | OBVIOUSLY |
| 18:59.43 | BeOSMrX | dont troll mo |
| 18:59.51 | adamt | your x-server is not configured properly. which distribution are you using? |
| 19:00.02 | BeOSMrX | mandrivel |
| 19:00.18 | adamt | BeOSMrX: I'm not trolling. It's you who can't spell.. |
| 19:00.36 | adamt | BeOSMrX: Mandriva? Have you looked in the mandriva controlcenter? |
| 19:01.06 | BeOSMrX | how do i run that from the shell |
| 19:01.23 | BeOSMrX | is it kcontrol ? |
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| 19:01.34 | adamt | I'm pretty sure it's possible to fix it from there, but if you need more help you ought to ask in #mandriva |
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| 19:01.45 | BeOSMrX | i asked there |
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| 19:02.04 | adamt | BeOSMrX: No, if i remember correctly mandriva also has a custom control-center |
| 19:02.14 | beemonk | adamt - i gave up on kde menus |
| 19:02.19 | beemonk | stressed me out got stoned instead |
| 19:02.27 | BeOSMrX | but *where* in the control center do i go |
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| 19:03.19 | adamt | BeOSMrX: I have no idea. That was why i suggested you to ask in #mandriva instead. This is a kde support channel, you can't expect us to know how every linux-distrubtion, freeBSD, OpenBSD..etc.. works. |
| 19:03.28 | adamt | beemonk: =/ |
| 19:03.39 | adamt | beemonk: use the kmenu-editor instead then :p |
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| 19:04.04 | BeOSMrX | i cant expect people either to know what they're talking about |
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| 19:04.42 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: excellent then I can apply that to you :) |
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| 19:05.22 | adamt | BeOSMrX: I can configure xorg by hand, but i don't expect new users to do that. So _please_ forward your question to the proper place - #mandriva . |
| 19:05.31 | adamt | smileaf: *tihi* |
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| 19:06.03 | BeOSMrX | i freaking did last night |
| 19:06.09 | beemonk | adamt |
| 19:06.24 | beemonk | adamt ; i needed to load the file i had...theres so many menus and stuff |
| 19:06.37 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: so what did they say to do? |
| 19:07.16 | Ardonik | smileaf: the same stuff you're saying in here now, basically. |
| 19:07.19 | adamt | beemonk: yeah. I know the feeling. And the kmenu editor could be easier to use =/ |
| 19:07.35 | BeOSMrX | they couldnt help |
| 19:07.36 | Ardonik | He snapped at us, too. |
| 19:08.00 | BeOSMrX | the problem is too hard and advanced |
| 19:08.01 | smileaf | we are not really snapping at you.. it's just we can't help you as we've never used mandriva :/ |
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| 19:08.24 | smileaf | I have no clue what screens you all have |
| 19:08.52 | Ardonik | BeOSMrX: to run the mandriva control center from the shell, just run mcc. |
| 19:08.58 | Ardonik | It has a curses mode. |
| 19:09.10 | torindel | mandriva lol |
| 19:09.13 | torindel | -_-; |
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| 19:09.15 | Ardonik | And inside it, you'll eventually find your way to XFdrake, as was suggested last night. |
| 19:09.26 | Ardonik | I know, I know, you've already run it, etc. |
| 19:10.30 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: out of curiousity... is it you want the same resolution you have for KDE in your login? or the other way around? |
| 19:11.18 | smileaf | or was that even the issue to begin with?... x.x;; |
| 19:12.23 | BeOSMrX | well obviously if i have a kde resolution of 1440x900, the login has to be the same since my LCD cant use the setting set for the login area. |
| 19:12.51 | smileaf | "well obviously" I'm not looking at your screen.. so calm please :) |
| 19:12.53 | Ardonik | BeOSMrX: it's perfectly possible to have KDE run in a different resolution than the login screen. |
| 19:13.03 | Ardonik | For instance, krandrtray can change that setting and startup time. |
| 19:13.49 | Ardonik | s/and/at/ |
| 19:13.55 | Ardonik | Thanks, apt! |
| 19:14.00 | BeOSMrX | im interested in changing the login screen resolutin |
| 19:14.15 | Ardonik | Er, apt didn't substitute correctly |
| 19:14.51 | Ardonik | BeOSMrX: then you should run krandrtray and modify the settings within. Not a perfect solution--still seems that your xorg.conf is misconfigured--but it may help. |
| 19:14.53 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: Ok for that you'll need to find the config mandriva provides.. |
| 19:15.06 | BeOSMrX | my xorg is fine |
| 19:15.09 | adamt | BeOSMrX: The problem is, kdm (= the login screen) probably uses the highest possible resolution, as defined in xorg.conf. That's why we need to tell xorg that your screen can't use any resolution over 1440*900 px |
| 19:15.09 | Ardonik | smileaf: it's just xorg.conf. XFdrake is a graphical front end to it. |
| 19:15.16 | BeOSMrX | http://pastebin.com/802378 |
| 19:15.23 | smileaf | Ardonik: I know ;) |
| 19:15.26 | BeOSMrX | I TRIED THAT already |
| 19:15.34 | BeOSMrX | http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/gdm-login-screen-resolution-too-big-to-fit-screen-try-this/ |
| 19:15.44 | Ardonik | BeOSMrX: I saw those links last night. I know. |
| 19:15.54 | adamt | BeOSMrX: I'm quite sure mandriva doesn't use gdm as login screen |
| 19:15.56 | Ardonik | You insist that your X is configured properly, but it does not seem that way. |
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| 19:16.13 | Ardonik | adamt: it uses gdm, kdm, or xdm, depending on which you selected and which you have installed. |
| 19:16.23 | BeOSMrX | well then but u just looked at my xorg |
| 19:16.28 | smileaf | if your loginscreens res is off then X is obviously not configured right ;) |
| 19:16.39 | adamt | Ardonik: ahh - i thought mandriva only used kde (and therfore kdm) |
| 19:16.56 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: it might be mandriva puts their config in some weird place that your how-to didn't cover |
| 19:17.06 | adamt | BeOSMrX: pastebin.com suck. it's slow. it haven't even started loading here yet... |
| 19:17.06 | Ardonik | adamt: nope on both counts. Mandriva merely defaults to KDE, but it's perfectly possible to use gnome instead, or both, or none. |
| 19:17.25 | Ardonik | adamt and BeOSMrX: pastebin.ca might be faster |
| 19:17.41 | BeOSMrX | no last night it did not load |
| 19:17.43 | smileaf | http://rafb.net/paste as found in the topic :) |
| 19:17.45 | adamt | Ardonik: Okay. And there's a reason that i've set up my own pastebin ;-) |
| 19:18.32 | BeOSMrX | http://pastebin.com/802378 it loads |
| 19:19.14 | smileaf | DefaultColorDepth 24 <-- shouldn't that be DefaultDepth 24 |
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| 19:20.45 | BeOSMrX | are u sure or not |
| 19:20.53 | smileaf | that's what I have in mine |
| 19:21.02 | smileaf | DefaultDepth 24 |
| 19:21.12 | ryujin | does anyone know how to remove kiosk mode from kicker? |
| 19:21.37 | BeOSMrX | but how do i fix my issue |
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| 19:21.53 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: change that and see if it does fix it.. |
| 19:22.35 | BeOSMrX | i highly doubt that but i will try it |
| 19:22.36 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: it might be it's not finding a default depth so it's falling back on something and using some default resolution. |
| 19:23.05 | BeOSMrX | because xde uses 24bit anyhow |
| 19:23.16 | BeOSMrX | kde* |
| 19:23.41 | smileaf | and how are you seeing that? |
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| 19:24.45 | adamt | smileaf: That would be quite easy |
| 19:24.57 | smileaf | adamt: I know just was asking :) |
| 19:25.16 | adamt | heh :-) |
| 19:25.27 | adamt | anything below 24bit is quite ugly.. heh |
| 19:25.44 | smileaf | true.. but I'd rather get the number from someplace than to assume it was correct |
| 19:26.19 | adamt | heh |
| 19:26.59 | smileaf | never assume it makes an "ASS" out of U and ME :) |
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| 19:27.40 | adamt | *tihi* |
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| 19:29.50 | tsdgeos | hi |
| 19:30.17 | tsdgeos | anyone knows a paint program that let's you choose in which part of the page your image is going to be printed? |
| 19:30.44 | adamt | tsdgeos: Hi. Just got your mail about the translation. I'm quite sure i'll get it done. (da) |
| 19:31.04 | tsdgeos | adamt: cool! |
| 19:31.05 | Ardonik | tsdgeos: as in which rectangular selection? |
| 19:31.16 | Ardonik | Can't you just copy the section to a new image? |
| 19:31.21 | tsdgeos | Ardonik: i mean, you have a page, the image is small than the page |
| 19:31.23 | benJIman | tsdgeos: just import it into a DTP or word processing app. |
| 19:31.26 | adamt | tsdgeos: Should i just email it to you when i'm done? |
| 19:31.49 | tsdgeos | adamt: yes |
| 19:31.49 | Ardonik | Most image editors allow you to do that--even paintbrush |
| 19:31.50 | benJIman | tsdgeos: scribus or kword for example. |
| 19:31.50 | adamt | okay, good. |
| 19:31.55 | tsdgeos | Ardonik: well, not krita nor gimp for example |
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| 19:32.01 | tsdgeos | or at least did not know how to do it :D |
| 19:32.09 | tsdgeos | benJIman: good suggestion! |
| 19:32.12 | Ardonik | In the gimp, it's easy. |
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| 19:32.24 | Ardonik | R for rectangular selection, copy, paste in new image, print. |
| 19:32.31 | Ardonik | Krita's probably the same way. |
| 19:32.45 | tsdgeos | Ardonik: my english sucks or your english sucks :D |
| 19:33.06 | Ardonik | I'm a native English speaker who is somewhat of a stickler for proper grammar and punctuation.... |
| 19:33.24 | tsdgeos | i do not want to print a part of an image, i want to chose where of the physical page my image has to be printed |
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| 19:33.33 | tsdgeos | so copying and pasting is not going to help me |
| 19:33.43 | Ardonik | tsdgeos: then I like benJIman's idea. |
| 19:34.23 | smileaf | that'd be an idea or something for the kdeprint people perhaps |
| 19:34.31 | adamt | tsdgeos: i liked the way you said that either Ardonik or yourself sucked at speaking english :P |
| 19:34.45 | tsdgeos | :D |
| 19:34.53 | tsdgeos | Ardonik: hope i did not offend you |
| 19:34.58 | Ardonik | Not at all. |
| 19:35.40 | smileaf | might be good to offend him >=) (j/k) |
| 19:36.29 | adamt | Damn, i still don't get what (j/k) means. |
| 19:36.35 | smileaf | just kidding |
| 19:36.45 | adamt | ahh, there it was.. |
| 19:37.25 | smileaf | I've been chatting too much.. picked up quite a few of those |
| 19:37.40 | smileaf | I have no life :( |
| 19:37.57 | smileaf | maybe I should get one... I am running out of cereal :D |
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| 19:38.55 | smileaf | http://www.quakeroats.com/qfb_OurBrands/images/ProductArray/Life.jpg <--for those that are lost |
| 19:39.10 | adamt | smileaf: Maybe you can find a life on ebay - i helped one friend find a life that way, and he isn't dead .. yet.. |
| 19:39.45 | smileaf | "I havn't lost my sanity.. I sold it on ebay!" |
| 19:40.21 | adamt | Heh. "I did like Bart - I've sold my soul to Milhouse" :P |
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| 19:40.52 | smileaf | my only response to that is .. my soul isn't mine to sell :) |
| 19:40.58 | adamt | heh |
| 19:42.08 | smileaf | and I am bored.. I need to get my port working :( |
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| 19:44.26 | smileaf | I extended QTreeWidgetItem so I could attach more data on to it.. but now when I do a QTreeWidget->selectedItems().first() and cast it to my custom class it loses my extra data :( |
| 19:46.04 | smileaf | so now I'm back to stage 1 on how do I connect this extra data to those lines... |
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| 19:51.04 | adamt | tsdgeos: is it to late to email it to you tuesday the 10th? |
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| 19:57.20 | BeOSMrX | KDM is set in the incorrect resolution setting how do i change it |
| 19:57.34 | smileaf | kdm doesn't set the resolution |
| 19:57.38 | smileaf | X does |
| 19:58.45 | BeOSMrX | how do i FIX IT |
| 19:58.48 | smileaf | btw.. have you restarted X after you changed the resolution? or did you just log out? |
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| 19:59.18 | beemonk | adamt : now im just plain annoyed at why this menu wont work :( |
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| 20:00.16 | BeOSMrX | please listen |
| 20:00.27 | PhilRod | BeOSMrX: ask in #yourdistro |
| 20:00.27 | smileaf | we have been.. answer the question please :) |
| 20:00.55 | BeOSMrX | the KDM log in and the KDE desktop are wrong resolutions |
| 20:01.14 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: If you do not answer the question I just asked you I will not help you any further |
| 20:01.18 | BeOSMrX | kde is the correct setting |
| 20:01.37 | BeOSMrX | i dont know |
| 20:01.55 | smileaf | you don't know if you logged out and saw it didn't work and logged back in? |
| 20:02.01 | tsdgeos | adamt: it's good |
| 20:02.02 | BeOSMrX | i did that |
| 20:02.06 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: you do not know if you have restarted X? |
| 20:02.26 | BeOSMrX | i logged out and in |
| 20:02.31 | smileaf | that's why.. |
| 20:02.38 | tsdgeos | bye1 |
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| 20:02.45 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: log out.. and hit Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
| 20:02.51 | BeOSMrX | i did |
| 20:03.01 | smileaf | either that or reboot |
| 20:03.08 | BeOSMrX | that gives me input error |
| 20:03.19 | smileaf | rebooting or that key combo? |
| 20:03.31 | BeOSMrX | rebooting is fine |
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| 20:03.40 | smileaf | I dunno how that could give you an input error |
| 20:03.55 | nik | hello |
| 20:03.59 | PhilRod | hi nik |
| 20:04.03 | nik | where to set the default browser? (hmm, can't find it in control center) |
| 20:04.09 | BeOSMrX | BECAUSE KDM is set wrong |
| 20:04.15 | smileaf | At any rate if your xorg conf is fine.. and you restarted X.. than there is nothing more that is needed.. and there is nothing more we can help you with |
| 20:04.32 | benJIman | nik: kcontrol -> kde components -> component chooser. |
| 20:04.32 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: KDM is *NOT* the problem.. KDM does *NOT* set the resolution. |
| 20:04.50 | BeOSMrX | i said before that it was a challenging issue |
| 20:05.05 | smileaf | more like your distro has some sort of problem |
| 20:05.20 | PhilRod | nik: control center -> kde components -> component chooser -> web browser |
| 20:05.24 | smileaf | I'd go back in there and try to figure it from there.. there isn't anymore we can help you with here |
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| 20:05.46 | nik | benJIman: ahrg...thank you...btw, wasn't there a discussion that the control center has to much options...I mean there is not that a good overview.. |
| 20:05.47 | BeOSMrX | then why are there TWO settings, one that works one that doesnt when my xorg has ONE setting |
| 20:05.49 | nik | PhilRod: thx |
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| 20:06.09 | PhilRod | err, s/0/)/ |
| 20:06.31 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: because KDE has a program that can set the resolution when you login.. it's your user's resolution setting.. as for KDM it simply uses what X sets it to.. |
| 20:06.52 | islam_ | The Absolute GOD. http://download.al-islaam.com/audiovideo/anasheedram/al-islaam/html/samtan/lastbreath.swf |
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| 20:06.59 | beemonk | adamt : there? |
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| 20:07.42 | adamt | BeOSMrX: Try using the xfdrake to configure your display, but this time set the values to something lower, it 1024*768 and 60Hz, try restarting x, and see what happends with kdm. |
| 20:07.45 | adamt | beemonk: yup |
| 20:08.00 | beemonk | right...i went to the menu editor GUI, refusingly... |
| 20:08.14 | beemonk | it has the folder with all of my shortcuts in it...but the shorcuts are just empty |
| 20:08.25 | beemonk | because...well obviously the files arent there for me to access |
| 20:08.30 | beemonk | because they were in root....right... |
| 20:08.31 | BeOSMrX | GAWD ignorance those settings DONT WORK with my lcd only 1440x900 |
| 20:09.13 | adamt | BeOSMrX: Calm down. and 1024*768 propably will work, but look ugly. |
| 20:09.42 | smileaf | adamt: he's got a widescreen.. mine also complains if the resolution isn't set right ;) |
| 20:10.14 | smileaf | minor annoyance and it can be turned off. |
| 20:10.32 | adamt | smileaf: That's just stupid .. but none the less, i know some widescreen monitors is capable of running 4:3 settings.. |
| 20:11.04 | smileaf | adamt: oh it can.. it just says "For best picture quality please adjust your resolution..." |
| 20:11.36 | smileaf | looks perfectly fine too |
| 20:12.32 | smileaf | wouldn't suprise me if it was just one of mandriva's patches tha broke something. |
| 20:12.35 | beemonk | ohhh adamt i dont know what to do :( |
| 20:12.43 | kendrick | beta testers wanted ;) ftp://ftp.tuxpaint.org/unix/x/tuxpaint/testbuilds/ |
| 20:13.01 | adamt | beemonk: change ownership of the files? |
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| 20:13.30 | adamt | smileaf: I just suggested it to see if x actually read the settings .. hmm |
| 20:13.39 | beemonk | adamt but im sure i did that last night...i googled and found the command to copy all of root settings and shortcuts to my user name |
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| 20:14.14 | beemonk | yeah...they are here..and owned by me |
| 20:15.06 | beemonk | in the KDE menu editor i can see my shortcuts but they dont point anywhere |
| 20:15.14 | beemonk | theres nothing in the folders when i click + |
| 20:15.22 | BeOSMrX | so no one knows how to fix this |
| 20:15.42 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: this really isn't the channel to be asking that sort of question in all reality.. |
| 20:16.02 | adamt | BeOSMrX: It's probably something mandriva screw up. We hardly can't do anything about that in this channel. |
| 20:16.16 | BeOSMrX | but its to do with kde |
| 20:16.28 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: it has nothing to do with kde actually |
| 20:16.42 | smileaf | it has everything to do with mandriva and X |
| 20:16.46 | BeOSMrX | so its mandrivas problem |
| 20:16.50 | smileaf | yes |
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| 20:17.34 | BeOSMrX | ill tell them that |
| 20:17.43 | adamt | beemonk: Sorry, i don't have that much time really. I have to assignments for tomorrow, and it's 10:17 pm here :p |
| 20:17.52 | beemonk | no worries |
| 20:17.54 | NaufraGo | does anybody knows about kooldock? |
| 20:18.00 | adamt | BeOSMrX: You could try another linux distribution if everything else fails. |
| 20:18.03 | NaufraGo | know.. |
| 20:18.07 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: good.. cuz I use an nvidia card, I run kde, and I have a widescreen.. works perfectly here. |
| 20:18.23 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: I do not run mandriva tho |
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| 20:19.27 | NaufraGo | does anybody know about kooldock? |
| 20:19.35 | BeOSMrX | adamt : that's like saying buy a whole new car just because u have a flat tire |
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| 20:20.07 | smileaf | BeOSMrX: difference is a flat tire is easy to fix ;) |
| 20:20.47 | adamt | BeOSMrX: Be realistic. Did you pay for mandriva? |
| 20:21.24 | NaufraGo | when I try tu run kooldock, terminal gives me 'ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting.' can anybody help me? |
| 20:21.46 | smileaf | NaufraGo: are you running this as a different user? |
| 20:22.04 | BeOSMrX | yeah but the difference is that only one person knows how to change a flat tire |
| 20:22.14 | NaufraGo | mm, just I'm not as root |
| 20:22.19 | beemonk | why are you trying to help matey fix his tire |
| 20:22.24 | beemonk | i need to fix my menu |
| 20:22.26 | BeOSMrX | b/c no one knows how to fix this |
| 20:22.26 | beemonk | ill go insane |
| 20:22.28 | beemonk | :P |
| 20:22.31 | adamt | beemonk: lol :-) |
| 20:22.39 | beemonk | sod your tiree |
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| 20:23.08 | adamt | BeOSMrX: Well, stop whining if you didn't pay, and try another distribution. Suse, kubuntu, ubuntu.. you name it.. there's plenty to choose from |
| 20:23.08 | NaufraGo | smileaf.. |
| 20:23.14 | MinceR | how can i ensure that Launch Feedback will notice the window has appeared? |
| 20:23.15 | smileaf | NaufraGo: Ok so your logged in as your user... and running this as your user? |
| 20:23.34 | MinceR | i've moved my urxvt commandline to urxvt.sh and now it just keeps on animating after the window appears |
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| 20:23.44 | NaufraGo | I really don't understand your point |
| 20:23.56 | MinceR | (or maybe i should just add a & at the end? i should anyway...) |
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| 20:24.15 | BeOSMrX | since when does trying to fix something become whining |
| 20:24.25 | smileaf | NaufraGo: If your logged in as 1 user.. and try to run a graphical application as another.. it'll fail with that error |
| 20:24.43 | NaufraGo | so, what can I do? |
| 20:24.46 | MinceR | the problem persists... |
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| 20:24.58 | adamt | BeOSMrX: Since you started comparing your problems with changing a tire.. |
| 20:25.02 | thiago | NaufraGo: don't run it as a different user |
| 20:25.40 | NaufraGo | mm, ok |
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| 20:26.19 | beemonk | THANKYOU |
| 20:26.30 | beemonk | finally tireman leaves |
| 20:26.35 | smileaf | your welcome? |
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| 20:27.00 | beemonk | $me confused :( |
| 20:27.55 | beemonk | shmoke and a pancake |
| 20:27.57 | smileaf | drugs do that :( |
| 20:28.17 | beemonk | yeh but if i use linux for long enough it will become long term memory and then i wont lose it |
| 20:28.19 | beemonk | :) |
| 20:28.34 | smileaf | :{ |
| 20:28.52 | smileaf | s/{/)/ |
| 20:29.18 | thiago | apt: cookie? |
| 20:29.24 | MinceR | looks like the basename must match the window caption :/ |
| 20:29.27 | thiago | dammit, bot doesn't like me |
| 20:29.49 | smileaf | thiago: could be just log.. I've had it respond to something I said 30 minutes after I said it. |
| 20:29.53 | smileaf | lag* |
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| 20:30.36 | smileaf | and if you removed the 'smileaf meant:' part it would make for a very interesting conversation. |
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| 20:30.40 | drivetheory | hey everyone |
| 20:30.45 | naiad | is there a way to show emails instead of aliases in kopete? |
| 20:30.51 | drivetheory | how do i load a color space profile for general / default use in KDE? |
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| 20:31.29 | tuxedup | Wht port does the kweather applet need to have open to function? |
| 20:31.31 | drivetheory | anyone? ideas? |
| 20:31.41 | beemonk | oh i hate not knowing fuck all :( |
| 20:33.05 | adamt | beemonk: I know one thing that helps solving a lot of problems: Sleep. |
| 20:33.11 | StevenR | how do I make kde's battery monitor scale down the cpu freq when I unplug the power? |
| 20:33.23 | beemonk | but im meant to be in my productive hours right now |
| 20:33.24 | beemonk | its only 9:33pm |
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| 20:33.34 | beemonk | i just dont know enough to know what the bloody hell im doing wrong |
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| 20:35.20 | thiago | tuxedup: 80 |
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| 20:35.47 | thiago | StevenR: have you configured to throttle or change the profile when running in battery mode? |
| 20:36.14 | StevenR | thiago: yes.. it just doesn't seem to do it... what do I need on the backend? |
| 20:36.37 | thiago | is the helper app running? |
| 20:38.09 | StevenR | thiago: not sure... what am I looking for in ps -A ? |
| 20:38.26 | StevenR | the systray applet is running, and it works fine |
| 20:39.00 | thiago | klaptop_acpi_helper, but it doesn't stay running (sorry) |
| 20:39.04 | thiago | check if it's setuid root |
| 20:39.28 | StevenR | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 7136 2006-09-16 03:32 klaptop_acpi_helper* |
| 20:39.44 | thiago | looks ok |
| 20:39.54 | thiago | now, make sure you don't have another frequency scaler running |
| 20:39.58 | Theory | can anyone suggest a linux app for keeping track of bibliographic entries? |
| 20:39.59 | thiago | like cpufreqd |
| 20:40.05 | thiago | Theory: kile |
| 20:40.13 | StevenR | thiago: I dont |
| 20:40.27 | thiago | StevenR: that's all I knew |
| 20:40.39 | thiago | Theory: you can then write the references in bibtex format |
| 20:41.00 | Theory | will that provide me with an easy way to search them? |
| 20:41.20 | thiago | Theory: yes, the same one as in kwrite. |
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| 20:42.41 | StevenR | thiago: it just doesn't do it :S |
| 20:42.42 | bit0 | hello, where could i find a kde manual? (user manual) |
| 20:42.43 | Theory | ah, ok |
| 20:42.52 | thiago | bit0: run khelpcenter |
| 20:42.52 | StevenR | thiago: it stays at 1100 |
| 20:43.07 | Theory | I was hoping for something a bit more structured, e.g. search for foo in the author list |
| 20:43.08 | thiago | StevenR: check if your processor supports lower frequencies |
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| 20:43.19 | thiago | StevenR: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ |
| 20:43.26 | bit0 | thiago: a html or pdf format? |
| 20:43.39 | StevenR | thiago: it does. when I pull the power out, it falls to 600, but then it goes back up again |
| 20:43.58 | adamt | Theory: i think there is something named kbibtex? |
| 20:44.15 | adamt | Theory: http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~fischer/kbibtex/ |
| 20:44.31 | adamt | but i'm not sure that is what you're looking for, since i never used bibtex =/ |
| 20:44.31 | Theory | adamt: thanks, I'll take a look |
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| 20:45.15 | thiago | bit0: HTML. |
| 20:45.20 | RupY | hi guys |
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| 20:45.24 | RupY | i re-installed kde a while back |
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| 20:45.34 | adamt | hi RupY |
| 20:45.45 | RupY | and I dont have "system settings" anymore in my menu |
| 20:45.48 | RupY | only the control center |
| 20:46.04 | RupY | Additionally I am missing my Display module under hardware |
| 20:46.26 | thiago | RupY: System Settings isn't part of the standard KDE. |
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| 20:46.33 | RupY | oh |
| 20:46.39 | thiago | RupY: make sure you install the extra package that provides it, if you want it. |
| 20:46.52 | RupY | Which are those? |
| 20:46.59 | RupY | How do i get them exactly? |
| 20:47.04 | RupY | (excuse my ignorance) |
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| 20:47.19 | thiago | they are not part of any standard KDE release |
| 20:47.28 | thiago | according to Subversion, it's in playground/base |
| 20:47.36 | thiago | which should mean pre-alpha and non-released state |
| 20:47.45 | RupY | sudo apt-get instsall playground? |
| 20:47.50 | thiago | no |
| 20:47.54 | thiago | www.google.com |
| 20:48.00 | thiago | or your distribution's package listing |
| 20:48.17 | StevenR | RupY: do you mean the settings submenu? |
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| 20:48.32 | thiago | if it's released at all, they will have a website |
| 20:48.35 | RupY | What do you mean submenu? |
| 20:48.48 | RupY | Essentially all I want is the Display module (and the others) back |
| 20:48.53 | RupY | i am running kubnut |
| 20:48.56 | RupY | kubuntu* |
| 20:48.59 | RupY | but i had to reinstall kde |
| 20:49.07 | thiago | kcm_display is part of KDE |
| 20:49.10 | thiago | it should be there |
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| 20:49.22 | RupY | hmm i have looked all over |
| 20:49.26 | RupY | which node should it be under? |
| 20:49.26 | StevenR | RupY: on the kmenu, another menu, like applications, internet... settings |
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| 20:50.05 | RupY | StevenR: Oh, no its not a sub menu |
| 20:50.20 | thiago | StevenR: he means the systemsettings application |
| 20:50.34 | StevenR | thiago: ahh, the kubuntu specific one? |
| 20:50.48 | thiago | StevenR: I'm guessing so. |
| 20:51.07 | RupY | I found a package "kde-systemsettings" |
| 20:51.11 | RupY | I am gonna try insatll it |
| 20:51.14 | RupY | install* |
| 20:51.28 | adamt | http://video.linux-noob.com/screenshots/ie7/xpspyware.jpg :D |
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| 20:52.09 | MinceR | lol |
| 20:53.11 | RupY | ok well the system settings link it back in the menu |
| 20:53.18 | RupY | but still missing some modules |
| 20:53.25 | RupY | specifically the Display one |
| 20:53.46 | StevenR | ask apt-chache nicely for them |
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| 20:53.51 | StevenR | *apt-cache |
| 20:54.41 | RupY | hmm, what would the package be called though? |
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| 20:55.16 | new_suse_user_ | how do I change the size of my icons on the desktop? |
| 20:55.19 | new_suse_user_ | background* |
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| 20:55.43 | StevenR | new_suse_user_: kcontrol --> appearance -> icons -> 2nd tab |
| 20:55.54 | Renze | new_suse_user_: control centre -> appearance & themes -> icons, advanced tab |
| 20:56.02 | daum | anyone else have the problem where flash player is not syncing the sound correctly? |
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| 20:56.16 | RupY | sweet, I fixed it |
| 20:56.18 | new_suse_user_ | thanks! a whole lot |
| 20:56.23 | RupY | I had to apt-get install kde-guidance |
| 20:57.11 | adamt | daum: Yup.. |
| 20:57.21 | daum | no fixes? |
| 20:57.42 | adamt | wait for flash 9? :P |
| 20:57.57 | RupY | Ok looks like i celebrated a little early ther |
| 20:58.01 | RupY | "could not load module" |
| 20:58.18 | adamt | daum: sadly the only person working on flash for linux is quite.. ehm.. how do i put this nicely? n00bish. |
| 20:58.31 | RupY | something about orphaned control module |
| 20:59.03 | daum | lol |
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| 21:00.38 | beemonk | im uninstalling linux |
| 21:01.09 | adamt | beemonk: luuser :-) |
| 21:01.17 | beemonk | here, 1 sec |
| 21:01.23 | beemonk | let me get my big face of conceern |
| 21:01.32 | RupY | Anyone know how to fix my pwned Display module under the control center? |
| 21:01.40 | beemonk | throw it out the window |
| 21:01.46 | beemonk | bye :) |
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| 21:01.48 | StevenR | beemonk: I give you 1.5 our of 10 for your trolling ability |
| 21:02.07 | adamt | StevenR: lol :-) |
| 21:02.19 | cyber_fusion | lol |
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| 21:03.38 | montoya | I have a problem with receive file from gaim (msn protocol). KOPETE |
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| 21:03.58 | thiago | montoya: 0.11 or 0.12? |
| 21:04.04 | montoya | 0.12.3 |
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| 21:04.19 | thiago | no idea, sorry |
| 21:04.58 | montoya | but I have this problem from 4-5 version of kopete |
| 21:05.20 | PhilRod | StevenR: we had a fairly good troll the other day |
| 21:05.29 | PhilRod | well, "good" in the sense of "effective" |
| 21:05.40 | thiago | s/troll/Troll/ |
| 21:06.20 | Renze | thiago: do the Qt4 dance |
| 21:06.21 | thiago | nope |
| 21:06.29 | thiago | you'll have to ask Zack Rusin to do it |
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| 21:07.43 | Theory | adamt: thanks, kbibtex looks good |
| 21:07.53 | montoya | bye: I'm going to bed |
| 21:09.04 | adamt | Theory: i'd rather have some $$$ than empty words of gratitude... (you're welcome ;) |
| 21:09.25 | RupY | Anyone know how to fix my pwned Display module under the control center? |
| 21:09.50 | thiago | RupY: can you find file kcm_desktop.la? |
| 21:10.01 | RupY | lemme search |
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| 21:10.28 | Renze | shouldn't that be kcm_display.la ? |
| 21:10.41 | thiago | oops, yep |
| 21:10.47 | RupY | kk |
| 21:11.33 | Myrizio | hi, who should i ask to publish my blog on planetkde.org? i mailed Chris Lee but got no anser! |
| 21:11.41 | thiago | Myrizio: Chris Lee |
| 21:11.54 | Myrizio | thiago:eh... |
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| 21:12.12 | Myrizio | s/anser/answer |
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| 21:12.30 | Myrizio | thiago: what's his IRC nick? |
| 21:12.33 | thiago | clee |
| 21:12.35 | Renze | clee |
| 21:14.06 | Myrizio | mh, i wrote to clee (AT) kde (DOT) org, but i got no answer, is this address correct? |
| 21:14.21 | adamt | depends |
| 21:14.42 | adamt | did you substitute " (DOT) " with "." and " (AT) " with "@" ? :p |
| 21:15.00 | Myrizio | sure, lol :) |
| 21:15.03 | Renze | some email clients will do that automatically these days :D |
| 21:15.38 | adamt | Myrizio: What are you working with, since you want to get published on planetkde? |
| 21:15.59 | Myrizio | KBoard, http://kboard.sourceforge.net |
| 21:16.30 | Myrizio | i already have a blog on kdedevelopers (http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2424) |
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| 21:17.34 | adamt | Myrizio: heh, timeout on the sourceforge website :p |
| 21:18.02 | RupY | howcome i cant put my signature at the top of my reply? |
| 21:18.05 | Myrizio | adamt: ouch, give a look at the blog, it has a sort of presentation of kboard |
| 21:18.06 | RupY | with kmail |
| 21:18.17 | thiago | RupY: because signatures are always at the bottom |
| 21:18.33 | RupY | No they not |
| 21:18.37 | Renze | yes they are |
| 21:18.40 | RupY | look at outlook? |
| 21:18.45 | thiago | RupY: yes, they are. The -- indicates the end of the message |
| 21:18.46 | Renze | outlook is wrong |
| 21:18.47 | adamt | Myrizio: i'm already looking ;-) |
| 21:18.51 | smileaf | you sign letters at the top before you write your letter? |
| 21:18.51 | thiago | if you put it at the top, there would be no message. |
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| 21:19.05 | RupY | outlook may be "wrong" but 90% of ppl use it and email that way |
| 21:19.06 | smileaf | thiago: could be 1 big 'ps' :) |
| 21:19.07 | adamt | Myrizio: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/system/files?file=images//scr10.preview.png i *love* thoose replacements of the boring old style chess figures :D |
| 21:19.17 | thiago | RupY: right. But KMail does it the right way. |
| 21:19.20 | RupY | microsoft has perverted the email standards and i am inclined to follow |
| 21:19.22 | thiago | RupY: signatures are always at the bottom. |
| 21:19.41 | Renze | RupY: then use Outlook |
| 21:19.46 | RupY | i mean even Mail is osx does it the outlook way |
| 21:19.54 | Renze | me neither |
| 21:19.55 | RupY | how can i use outlook, i am on linux |
| 21:19.56 | RupY | lol |
| 21:19.58 | thiago | KMail was made for people who write emails before Outlook even existed. |
| 21:19.59 | Renze | it's just plain silly |
| 21:20.00 | pinotree | RupY: that does mean it's better |
| 21:20.28 | thiago | RupY: well, KMail doesn't let you. You can accept it, or find another mail client. |
| 21:20.40 | Theory | or submit a patch |
| 21:20.43 | smileaf | PhilRod: last time I used it it nearly killed my computer :) .. so I created a blog on MS's own blog space about it |
| 21:20.46 | Theory | (which may or may not be accepted) |
| 21:20.47 | RupY | damnit |
| 21:21.30 | RupY | i like kmail though |
| 21:21.30 | adamt | PhilRod: I had to use word in an iBook last tuesday.. that was some serious pain.. how can anybody use that crap? :D |
| 21:21.30 | RupY | isnt there any alternative short of downloading the source, altering and compiling |
| 21:21.30 | Myrizio | adamt: i created those funny SVGs (as well as the default theme), so thanks :) |
| 21:21.31 | RupY | btw, i have that display module file: /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_display.la |
| 21:21.35 | PhilRod | smileaf: it's not that it's buggy (could be I guess - I used it as little as possible), but that nearly every decision they made for it is dumb... |
| 21:21.40 | thiago | RupY: no, there isn't. And modifying KMail source code is not an easy job. |
| 21:21.51 | thiago | RupY: not to mention that you'll need to get rid of the signature marker (--) |
| 21:22.22 | PhilRod | smileaf: it has some stupid "attachment blocker" that blocks "dangerous" attachments, with no way to override |
| 21:22.25 | smileaf | PhilRod: I tried to connect to my imap account.. and it continuously reported I had 5 then 6 then 5 then 6 then 5 then 6...etc emails :D |
| 21:22.41 | thiago | RupY: how about display.desktop? Can you find it in /usr/lib/kde3/share/applications/kde/ ? |
| 21:22.41 | adamt | Myrizio: lol, i just showed the screenshot to a danish chessplayer, and he actually took part in the chat in the bottom of the screen :p - the world is getting smaller |
| 21:22.54 | RupY | thiago: lemme check |
| 21:23.06 | Renze | or in /usr/share/applications/kde/ |
| 21:23.06 | Myrizio | adamt: eheh, lol :) |
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| 21:26.45 | smileaf | http://smileaf.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!CF7306D5D4641028!107.entry <--- there it is! |
| 21:28.36 | adamt | smileaf: that webpage looks weird |
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| 21:29.40 | adamt | smileaf: http://antistof.dk/files/screenshots/webpages/smileaf.spaces.live.com-1.png |
| 21:29.58 | smileaf | adamt: umm.. it is from MS.. |
| 21:30.18 | Renze | MoronSoft |
| 21:30.25 | smileaf | lol |
| 21:30.33 | adamt | :-) |
| 21:30.38 | adamt | It still looks weird |
| 21:30.59 | adamt | does it look the same in your konquerors? that would make me happy again |
| 21:31.09 | smileaf | looks like that in mine |
| 21:31.18 | Renze | yes, it looks just as f**ked up in mine |
| 21:31.26 | adamt | Good. |
| 21:31.42 | adamt | Now, please continue flaming MS... ;D |
| 21:32.08 | Sho_ | You're looking for Outlook support in #kde? *looks puzzled* |
| 21:32.38 | qupada | it's hardly worth it nowadays. microsoft do such a good job of making an arse of themselves it hardly needs to be highlighted |
| 21:32.39 | smileaf | adamt: http://smileaf.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!CF7306D5D4641028!106.entry <-- check out the IE6 as an ftp client.. how's that for flaming? :) |
| 21:32.57 | Renze | Sho_: no, somebody wanted signatures on the top of emails just like Outlook does... silly, IMO. |
| 21:33.24 | Sho_ | "Signatures on the top of emails"? |
| 21:33.59 | adamt | Renze: i think he originally wanted to reply above the message, instead of under the original message |
| 21:34.01 | JohnBat26 | Hi all !! :| |
| 21:34.03 | Renze | ah |
| 21:34.06 | RupY | i have that file yes: /usr/share/applications/kde/display.desktop |
| 21:34.08 | JohnBat26 | ;) |
| 21:34.12 | Renze | adamt: I hate it when people do that |
| 21:34.14 | adamt | hi JohnBat26 |
| 21:34.44 | JohnBat26 | adamt: May I use Qt 4 for run applications in KDE 3.5.4 ? |
| 21:34.50 | smileaf | JohnBat26: no |
| 21:35.04 | JohnBat26 | smileaf: Why? |
| 21:35.08 | smileaf | well.. they can't be compiled against it.. but you can run qt4 apps. |
| 21:35.24 | smileaf | have I just confused myself? x.x; |
| 21:35.38 | Renze | smileaf: wouldn't be the first time, would it? :D |
| 21:35.42 | Sho_ | JohnBat26: Yes, you can |
| 21:35.44 | smileaf | Ok.. you can run Qt4 apps in KDE 3 |
| 21:35.49 | smileaf | Renze: sadly no. |
| 21:35.56 | smileaf | Renze: but Shhh!!!! |
| 21:35.59 | qupada | qt4 apps run fine, they just don't quite look right because kde can't theme them |
| 21:36.00 | JohnBat26 | How ? |
| 21:36.14 | JohnBat26 | I setup rpm with Qt 4 |
| 21:36.16 | Sho_ | JohnBat26: by starting them |
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| 21:36.33 | itc | hello. have a problem, some of my settings are lost each time I logoff |
| 21:36.38 | itc | like resolution |
| 21:37.00 | JohnBat26 | Which variable I must set ? |
| 21:37.08 | RupY | Hmm so any other ideas why my display module is downed? |
| 21:37.11 | RupY | owned* |
| 21:38.00 | Sho_ | JohnBat26: You don't need any variables set. To run Qt4 applications in a KDE 3 session, you ought to have Qt4 installed, and then just launch them like any other app. |
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| 21:39.52 | JohnBat26 | Sho: How I may indicate application, that it run with Qt 4, and no 3 ? |
| 21:40.12 | Renze | JohnBat26: the app has to be compiled against qt4 to use qt4 |
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| 21:41.25 | JohnBat26 | Renze: May I run binary apps on Qt 4 ? |
| 21:41.36 | Renze | JohnBat26: only if they are compiled to use Qt4 |
| 21:41.42 | JohnBat26 | For example: KMyMoney |
| 21:41.49 | Renze | apps compiled to use Qt3 will only use Qt3 |
| 21:42.26 | JohnBat26 | : |
| 21:43.57 | qupada | if you need proof, here is a qt4 app (not part of kde) running in kde (which is using qt3): http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6307/20061009101050ss6.png |
| 21:45.17 | JohnBat26 | qupada: How this do ? |
| 21:45.37 | Renze | JohnBat26: QMPDClient is compiled to use Qt4 |
| 21:45.42 | qupada | like Sho_ put it, you just launch it |
| 21:45.56 | qupada | qmpdclient is written to support qt4.1, so it uses qt4.1 |
| 21:46.26 | adamt | just believe that there's a tiny Harry Potter sitting in your pc, that makes the magic work :-) |
| 21:46.32 | JohnBat26 | qupada: Qt 4 compatible with Qt 3 ? |
| 21:46.37 | qupada | no |
| 21:46.39 | Renze | no |
| 21:46.42 | qupada | apps have to use one or the other |
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| 21:46.58 | qupada | hence kde4 is such a mammoth undertaking |
| 21:48.11 | JohnBat26 | thanks all |
| 21:48.28 | JohnBat26 | I'll wait KDE 4 |
| 21:48.38 | JohnBat26 | :( |
| 21:49.05 | adamt | Does anybody know if i can get _real_ transparency with kicker, instead of that pseudo-transparency that just mimics the wallpaper? and same thing for konsoles shell-area. |
| 21:49.34 | Renze | adamt: not until KDE4 |
| 21:49.41 | adamt | bah. |
| 21:50.11 | adamt | *and starts.. bah.. to sleepy.. |
| 21:51.14 | Renze | adamt: KDE4 will arrive faster with more developers... learn to code :D |
| 21:51.44 | smileaf | join the squad! |
| 21:51.53 | adamt | it just sucks to have aiglx and beryl running fine, and then have that sucky pseudo-transparency in a few apps :p |
| 21:52.17 | adamt | Renze: I'm fine with just translating the release annoucements, thank you ;-) |
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| 21:57.04 | logixoul | is somebody very familiar with the kde mailinglists structure? |
| 21:57.14 | logixoul | s/body/body here/ |
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| 21:57.59 | adamt | s/fine/finest/ |
| 21:58.06 | adamt | lol |
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| 21:58.37 | Renze | do not taunt the bot... it might snap and start killing people again |
| 21:58.46 | smileaf | lol |
| 21:58.50 | Renze | "crush... kill... destroy..." |
| 21:58.57 | adamt | Renze: I laugh at apt. |
| 21:59.13 | smileaf | s/l/lol/ |
| 21:59.21 | smileaf | aww.. only 1 replacement |
| 21:59.29 | adamt | lol |
| 21:59.33 | adamt | s/l/lol/g |
| 21:59.34 | Renze | you forgot the g at the end :) |
| 21:59.43 | adamt | smileaf: see? it works. |
| 21:59.43 | smileaf | ... |
| 21:59.51 | smileaf | apt: I thought you said you loved me!! |
| 21:59.53 | apt | You thought you said you loved me!!? |
| 22:00.00 | adamt | lololol |
| 22:00.02 | adamt | s/l/lol/g |
| 22:00.08 | adamt | s/l/lol/g |
| 22:00.09 | Renze | *sigh* |
| 22:00.19 | smileaf | apt: YOU LYING CHEATING BOT! |
| 22:00.21 | adamt | okay, i'll stop now. |
| 22:01.00 | MinceR | dddddddddddddddd |
| 22:01.05 | MinceR | s/d/Developers! /g |
| 22:01.20 | pinotree | hey |
| 22:01.25 | pinotree | stop playing with apt |
| 22:01.44 | adamt | MinceR: I admit that was cool :p |
| 22:02.03 | MinceR | =) |
| 22:02.31 | smileaf | got me laughing.. but then I do have a beer sitting next to me so I guess that wouldn't mean too much. |
| 22:02.58 | smileaf | well.. "beer" |
| 22:03.15 | Renze | smileaf: american beer? |
| 22:03.23 | smileaf | Renze: I am in america. |
| 22:03.45 | Renze | smileaf: ah... so you're drinking weasel piss :D |
| 22:03.47 | smileaf | its called "Mike's hard crisp apple" not too bad. |
| 22:04.12 | smileaf | Renze: high quality weasel piss right here! |
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| 22:05.47 | smileaf | MinceR: I do also.. but a little alcohol is actually good for you :) |
| 22:06.01 | smileaf | note I said "a little" ... |
| 22:06.14 | MinceR | i don't like it |
| 22:06.28 | MinceR | the smell, the taste or the effect |
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| 22:06.38 | smileaf | regular beer is nasty.. |
| 22:06.44 | smileaf | flavored beer isn't too bad :) |
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| 22:07.21 | MinceR | beer is nasty in all forms |
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| 22:07.46 | Oleg_ | I am drinking beer now, but I agree that every kind of beer is nasty |
| 22:07.52 | Renze | MinceR: you've obviously never had microbrewery beer |
| 22:07.56 | adamt | smileaf: So, basically, what you're drinking is european beer, mixed with more water, like... 1:5? |
| 22:08.17 | smileaf | adamt: its 5% |
| 22:08.29 | adamt | that must be an american record |
| 22:08.39 | smileaf | actually that's normal |
| 22:09.17 | adamt | Bah, you learned it from us vikings.. |
| 22:09.18 | Oleg_ | Renze: so, it looks like we are both gentoo lovers. But I am not sure if I like the gentoo practice of putting some latest releases in "test" category |
| 22:09.32 | smileaf | never had any more then 5% and never had any more than 1 bottle |
| 22:09.39 | Renze | Oleg_: that's why gentoo makes it safe to mix stable and unstable :) |
| 22:09.45 | Oleg_ | For example, kde 3.5.4 is still in the "testing" category |
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| 22:10.02 | qupada | Oleg_: the gentoo rule is a package doesn't hit stable until it's been in 'testing' for 30 days with no open bugs |
| 22:10.29 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 22:10.41 | Renze | so close those bugs! |
| 22:10.41 | adamt | so kde basically wont end up in stable, before users stop using it. |
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| 22:11.18 | qupada | bugfixes > bitching |
| 22:11.52 | smileaf | I'd unmask kde... but I don't want their patchsets :) |
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| 22:12.45 | smileaf | I'm happy upgrading my kde the day the new one is released :) |
| 22:13.08 | smileaf | which according to the 3.5.5 announce is october 11th? |
| 22:13.42 | adamt | yes |
| 22:13.57 | adamt | I'm sitting with the announcement right here ^^ |
| 22:14.50 | qupada | http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5.5.php << "UNDER EMBARGO, DO NOT PUBLISH!" |
| 22:14.53 | qupada | riiight |
| 22:15.46 | pinotree | adamt, smileaf: the chanelog is ncremental, ie you can find it even some weeks before the release |
| 22:15.56 | MinceR | Renze: does that get rid of the nasty smell? |
| 22:16.10 | Renze | MinceR: the Sultry Dark smells like chocolate |
| 22:16.14 | smileaf | pinotree: I thought so.. but I figured it probably won't change with what? 3 days left? |
| 22:16.20 | MinceR | interesting |
| 22:16.35 | MinceR | though if i want to drink something that smells like chocolate, i'll drink hot chocolate :> |
| 22:16.36 | Renze | MinceR: I hate mass-produced beer |
| 22:16.56 | adamt | pinotree: Yes - and your point being? (i didn't mention the changelog ;-) |
| 22:17.45 | adamt | qupada: In other words - don't toss the link around everywhere you go.. |
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| 22:18.18 | qupada | adamt: i don't think that's quite the definition of 'publish' the author had in mind, but details |
| 22:19.03 | qupada | i'm interested though that it says "CUPS 1.2 support in KDEPrint.", because i've been using cups 1.2 just fine since june |
| 22:19.48 | adamt | qupada: Kurt Pfiefle (sorry for the spelling) described the problems with cups 1.2 in his blog some time ago. |
| 22:19.54 | smileaf | qupada: cups 1.2 removed support for the interal functions that kdeprint has been using.. they left them in temporarily for kde. |
| 22:20.29 | smileaf | this fix is the more perminate fix no doubt |
| 22:20.38 | Renze | or even permanent :D |
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| 22:20.44 | smileaf | yah that too |
| 22:20.48 | qupada | right. that makes more sense. i knew it couldn't be anything highly visible and obvious because it's been working fine with 1.2 |
| 22:20.49 | adamt | heh |
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| 22:35.35 | i_is_cat | why does amarok crash on a regular basis? |
| 22:35.45 | Renze | it does? I hadn't noticed |
| 22:35.46 | i_is_cat | :( |
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| 22:36.56 | i_is_cat | yes yes it does |
| 22:37.35 | adamt | i_is_cat: blame markey and the funny dude with the big beard.. i would never trust such a bunch of hippies with anything :p |
| 22:37.48 | i_is_cat | ? |
| 22:38.02 | Renze | i_is_cat: strange... I've had amarok running for hours without a single crash |
| 22:38.04 | i_is_cat | it frickin brings up a kmail before it dies |
| 22:38.09 | i_is_cat | tellin me it died |
| 22:38.13 | i_is_cat | then it dies and i close it |
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| 22:38.21 | i_is_cat | and it brings up another kmail saying it died |
| 22:38.31 | i_is_cat | i wanna hit it |
| 22:38.43 | Renze | I'm so glad my amarok doesn't crash like yours does :D |
| 22:39.06 | adamt | Renze: Just keep patting your amarok on her shoulder :-) |
| 22:39.12 | i_is_cat | amarok is like the only thing i got that plays mp3s i think |
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| 22:39.38 | adamt | i_is_cat: ohh.. you are suffering from suse, or something like that? :-) |
| 22:39.46 | i_is_cat | mhm |
| 22:39.50 | adamt | heh |
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| 22:40.44 | adamt | i_is_cat: i know a good suse-guide, but it's in danish.. it surely would have helped you get something else playing mp3s though.. |
| 22:41.09 | i_is_cat | i am just taking a look at xmms right now |
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| 22:43.03 | i_is_cat | sweet |
| 22:43.06 | i_is_cat | xmms does play |
| 22:43.07 | logixoul | what happened to kallery? |
| 22:43.08 | i_is_cat | woot for me |
| 22:43.15 | i_is_cat | amarok can kiss my grits now |
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| 22:47.26 | august | тест |
| 22:47.32 | august | пройден) |
| 22:47.38 | logixoul | кво?! |
| 22:47.45 | Tm_T | )( |
| 22:47.50 | august | ирц клиента) |
| 22:48.00 | Renze | english only, please |
| 22:48.11 | logixoul | :p |
| 22:48.23 | august | sorry please |
| 22:48.44 | august | bb all |
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| 22:50.03 | adamt | talk about weird languages. |
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| 22:50.26 | adamt | i can't say that weechat rendered the text pretty in any ways :p http://antistof.dk/files/screenshots/kde/yakuake-1.png |
| 22:50.53 | Renze | adamt: your terminal isn't in UTF-8 mode :) |
| 22:51.00 | adamt | i know that :p |
| 22:51.00 | Sho_ | use Konversation ;) |
| 22:51.08 | MinceR | that wasn't weird |
| 22:51.09 | Renze | adamt: I saw the cyrillic alphabet in konversation |
| 22:52.00 | adamt | Renze: Lies. |
| 22:52.12 | Renze | adamt: truth! |
| 22:52.17 | Tm_T | Renze: sorry but I fail to see how konvi is better in rendering utf-8 than some konsole-app |
| 22:52.20 | Renze | adamt: want a screenshot? |
| 22:52.32 | adamt | You _thought_ you saw it - in reality it was a bad joke written by Sho_ |
| 22:54.12 | Renze | bah, imageshack is crawling today |
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| 22:55.54 | adamt | Renze: Sounds just like pastebin.com |
| 22:56.07 | Renze | adamt: that's why I use rafb instead |
| 22:56.20 | Renze | imageshack is just giving timeouts on upload |
| 22:56.54 | Tm_T | hey, does KDE automatically fallback from first selected language to second or to english? |
| 22:57.15 | Renze | oh well, no screenshot for you, adamt :) |
| 22:57.51 | adamt | I didn't want it either :p |
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| 23:01.41 | Tm_T | hmm, it does, I see |
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| 23:20.30 | adamt | cool nick, msn ;-) |
| 23:20.42 | msn | ty adamt |
| 23:20.57 | msn | and the /whois will tell you what msn means |
| 23:20.57 | msn | lol |
| 23:21.00 | adamt | heh |
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| 23:33.26 | hydrogen | :/whois msn |
| 23:33.30 | hydrogen | whee |
| 23:33.30 | hydrogen | heh |
| 23:33.34 | msn | lol |
| 23:34.02 | msn | guess i have been msn for a longer time |
| 23:34.03 | msn | lol |
| 23:34.20 | msn | and 6 yrs older than microsoft |
| 23:34.22 | msn | haha |
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| 23:58.59 | csmanx | hello folks |
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| 23:59.35 | csmanx | when I set xine properties for kaffeine to use no sound I can play files normally, but when i set it to auto it crashes with |
| 23:59.38 | csmanx | X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 |
| 23:59.42 | csmanx | any idea? |
