| 00:02.13 | stoned | hi |
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| 00:03.24 | stoned | NP: Method Man -|- 4:21... The Day After -|- " 4:20 (Feat. Streetlife & Carlton Fisk) " -|- (Rap) -|- (rating: 0/0) |
| 00:03.40 | stoned | ahahaha! mp3 spam for you all |
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| 00:07.17 | Zal | Is there a particular place that I can hook a command to run when KMail starts? |
| 00:07.46 | Zal | e.g., gpg-agent |
| 00:07.49 | stoned | ~dmix |
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| 00:08.44 | Zal | was that for me, or are you just stoned ? ;-) |
| 00:09.19 | stoned | Zal, sorry , not for you |
| 00:09.23 | stoned | for {GuNNeR} |
| 00:09.29 | stoned | apparantly apt is a piece of poo |
| 00:09.34 | stoned | apt, you there |
| 00:09.35 | apt | Of course I am! |
| 00:09.45 | stoned | apt listkeys dmix |
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| 00:09.53 | Renze | ~up |
| 00:09.55 | apt | it has been said that up is the opposite of down |
| 00:10.00 | stoned | when was the bot last synced |
| 00:10.02 | stoned | damn |
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| 00:20.53 | stoned | Renze, you got problems man |
| 00:21.07 | Renze | tell me something I don't know |
| 00:21.11 | stoned | I'm asking |
| 00:21.20 | stoned | so obviously you're got problems then? |
| 00:21.21 | stoned | word |
| 00:21.24 | stoned | I mean |
| 00:21.25 | stoned | not word |
| 00:21.40 | stoned | i'm bored |
| 00:21.48 | stoned | there is nothing going on in here |
| 00:22.02 | stoned | no one needs kde support? |
| 00:22.11 | stoned | music mate |
| 00:22.22 | wallshot | mmm musikc |
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| 00:29.45 | stoned | lol |
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| 00:46.43 | feindbild | hi =) |
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| 00:51.39 | PeterFA | kopete uses the device that does my video capture, instead of just my webcam. How do I make kopete not see the video capture device? |
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| 01:02.05 | feindbild | does kghostview use cups for preview ? or does cups use gs |
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| 01:08.58 | CRXLPY | hello |
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| 01:10.50 | feindbild | because every PDF I'm trying to print is sqeezed to Landscape ... it's showed as portrait in KPDF ... but as soon I make a print preview it's sqeezed to landscape .... same problem when viewing in kghostview ... |
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| 01:29.03 | manchicken | Is there any way to get rid of the panel? |
| 01:29.30 | manchicken | I want to use the menubar panel. |
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| 01:33.04 | Celeste | hi |
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| 01:33.47 | Celeste | question: When I right click a window and select "Advanced" -> "Keep above others" the window will be brought to the front |
| 01:34.19 | Celeste | can I make an additional button on a window (next to the minimize button maybe, or on the very left side) which does the same? |
| 01:34.29 | Sutoka | Celeste: yes |
| 01:34.32 | Celeste | this button should be just clickable |
| 01:34.41 | Celeste | so I need not go thugh a menu all the time |
| 01:34.52 | Sutoka | not all window decorations allow you to edit the buttons on the window though |
| 01:34.56 | Celeste | Sutoka, may I ask you for telling me how to do it, please? |
| 01:35.18 | Sutoka | KControl -> Appearance & Themes -> Window Deocrations -> Buttons and add it where you want |
| 01:35.39 | Celeste | thank you, I am searching it |
| 01:36.13 | manchicken | Hmm... it doesn't seem like it's possible to nix the panel... |
| 01:36.30 | Sutoka | manchicken: you could try 'killall kicker' |
| 01:36.36 | Celeste | VERY cool |
| 01:36.37 | Sutoka | but it may take the menubar thingy with it |
| 01:36.39 | Celeste | thank you Sutoka |
| 01:36.46 | manchicken | Yeah... |
| 01:37.11 | Sutoka | manchicken: try right mouse clicking on the panel -> Remove Panel |
| 01:37.21 | Sutoka | if its not grayed out then you should be able to remove it |
| 01:37.29 | manchicken | It is greyed out |
| 01:38.17 | Sutoka | manchicken: you could set it to 1% size, remove everything from it, and set it so other windows can cover it |
| 01:38.26 | manchicken | Yeah.... |
| 01:38.33 | manchicken | That's what I'm gonna end up having to do it seems. |
| 01:38.37 | Sutoka | that may be close to what you want (oh and set it to 100% transparent) |
| 01:38.47 | Sutoka | wait |
| 01:38.51 | Sutoka | there should be a way to remove it |
| 01:39.13 | Sutoka | someone else may know a proper way to remove it |
| 01:41.09 | canllaith | You can remove it .... |
| 01:41.15 | canllaith | Oh well, you can remove kicker entirely |
| 01:41.24 | manchicken | I could just use blackbox.... |
| 01:41.25 | manchicken | heh |
| 01:41.27 | canllaith | You should be able to delete the panel if you have more than one though |
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| 02:05.03 | feindbild | every PDF I'm trying to print is sqeezed to Landscape ... it's showed as portrait in KPDF ... but as soon I make a print preview it's sqeezed to landscape .... same problem when viewing in kghostview ... I've tried logging in as different user but same problem ... any idea where could start looking ? |
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| 02:09.02 | emss | feindbild: kprinter |
| 02:09.20 | emss | maybe set to print landscape |
| 02:11.55 | feindbild | emss: doesn't work .... |
| 02:12.40 | emss | ? |
| 02:13.29 | emss | try running pdf2ps on the pdf and then type 'lp foo.ps' |
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| 02:18.58 | feindbild | emss: yeah ... that looks ok .... but do you have any idea where I could start looking to fix it in KDE ? |
| 02:20.26 | emss | kprinter |
| 02:20.29 | emss | :P |
| 02:21.49 | emss | click on properties |
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| 02:34.32 | feindbild | emss: lol ... yeah ... but it makes no difference whether I select Portrait or Landscape |
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| 02:37.07 | emss | feindbild: hrm no ideas I think kprinter uses ~/.lpoptions |
| 02:37.13 | emss | maybe something is in there |
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| 02:37.20 | emss | other than that no idea |
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| 02:39.43 | rivad | Kind of confused. Trying to run make and am getting the following: moc ImageBox.h -o ImageBox.moc.cpp |
| 02:39.43 | rivad | make: moc: Command not found |
| 02:39.43 | rivad | make: *** [ImageBox.moc.cpp] Error 127 |
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| 02:40.29 | rivad | Is there some path thing I need to do? I see with slocate, that moc is at: /usr/lib/qt3/bin/moc |
| 02:42.54 | Renze | rivad: is /usr/lib/qt3/bin in your path? |
| 02:44.08 | rivad | Renze: nope. Guess that is telling me something. :) |
| 02:44.19 | Renze | um, yup :) |
| 02:45.05 | rivad | still have two of /usr/java/jdk-1.5.0_07/bin, but I don't know where they are coming from, so I can't get rid of it. |
| 02:45.37 | rivad | Where SHOULD the path be modified for qt3? |
| 02:45.38 | Renze | it's distro specific too |
| 02:45.51 | rivad | Oh. on Mandriva 2006 |
| 02:45.57 | Renze | I can only tell you how gentoo does it |
| 02:46.20 | rivad | Well, I know at least one place I can put it to get me around the current hurdle. Thanks. |
| 02:46.58 | Renze | no problem |
| 02:47.01 | rivad | Renze: Don't understand why such path items are not set at installation time. |
| 02:47.13 | Renze | they are, in most distros |
| 02:48.26 | rivad | Well, I'm not too far from Mandriva 2007. Guess I'll see what happens then. Screwing around with Palantir, webcam server, and trying to compile the qt client. The Java client really sucks up the machine. |
| 02:48.50 | rivad | This is streaming webcam stuff. |
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| 03:01.17 | narg_ | I installed kverbos, but its erroring when attempting to open the standard verb file. Any idea why? (On kubuntu dapper) |
| 03:01.49 | Renze | not without knowing what the error message is |
| 03:02.42 | narg_ | There is a problem with the verb _____, please check the verb in the edit dialog |
| 03:02.57 | narg_ | the verb that is erroring changes every time, and the edit dialog is blank |
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| 03:03.41 | Renze | works ok here |
| 03:03.56 | narg_ | The open standard verb file? |
| 03:04.13 | Renze | yes, just did that... no problems |
| 03:04.41 | narg_ | hrm... Meh. My tinkering problem screwed it up at some point, heh. No big deal I guess. |
| 03:04.45 | narg_ | probably* |
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| 03:06.31 | narg_ | Hrm, it appears it doesn't like accented characters. I'm probably missing a font |
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| 03:14.52 | Fieldy | i'm using kde 3.5.4. i have a button on the appbar that says HHTP Cache Cleaner and the spinning icon for a loading app is next to it. clickong on it, including right click, does nothing. it's been there for almost 10 minutes. how do i get rid of it? |
| 03:15.02 | Fieldy | s/HHTP/HTTP |
| 03:16.27 | emss | Fieldy: maybe try dcop kicker Panel restart |
| 03:16.36 | emss | that's a command btw |
| 03:17.12 | Fieldy | okay |
| 03:17.51 | emss | Fieldy: if that doesn't work you can try finding out if the process is still running |
| 03:17.55 | emss | if so maybe try killing it |
| 03:18.10 | Fieldy | emms: well, that took care of half the problem. i didn't really even notice the other half, which is that there is an icon bouncing around the lower right of my mouse icon endlessly. it's just the generic white square. |
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| 03:18.54 | Fieldy | hrm lemme try loading something else maybe it will blow it out. |
| 03:19.20 | Fieldy | the icon of what i load pops up, goes away but this one is still remaining. |
| 03:19.31 | emss | xD |
| 03:19.48 | Fieldy | i don't mind restarting kde, but i'd rather know how to stop this ;p |
| 03:19.57 | Fieldy | nevermind it just went away.... guess it hit some long timeout |
| 03:20.05 | Fieldy | goofy ;p |
| 03:20.28 | emss | there is a way to disable whatever it is called 'launch feedback' or something like that |
| 03:20.51 | Sho_ | emss: KControl -> Appearance & Themes -> Launch Feedback |
| 03:20.57 | Fieldy | well it's okay now. i know what you mean though, i remember setting those quite low |
| 03:21.12 | Fieldy | as i did not want a bouncing icon near my mouse icon for ages, more like 5 seconds max |
| 03:21.46 | emss | Fieldy: go where Sho_ mentioned |
| 03:21.54 | emss | you can disable and/or change timeout |
| 03:21.54 | emss | :) |
| 03:22.50 | Fieldy | yep, i had done that, max 5 seconds :) to avoid stuff like this |
| 03:23.12 | Fieldy | thanks, it's okay now. it went away on its own, as if it hit some very long timeout (approximately 15 minutes) |
| 03:23.29 | emss | lol |
| 03:23.47 | emss | yay for gui |
| 03:24.21 | Fieldy | oh, while i'm here, is there a way to get the multiple shells spawned within multitabbed konsole to save their history to ~/.bash_history upon closing konsole? or logging out of kde (without first closing konsole)? |
| 03:24.24 | emss | the beauty about cli is you can just ctrl-c it when you don't like the outcome xD |
| 03:24.46 | Fieldy | indeed. i've been using linux for 8 years now, and the first year i didn't even care about gui :) |
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| 04:33.38 | Vaske_Car | Any screenshots from KDE4? |
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| 04:45.16 | Renze | Vaske_Car: there's nothing substantial to screenshot yet... it still looks like KDE3 |
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| 04:47.18 | Vaske_Car | Is not this KDE4? http://kenmaster.blogsome.com/wp-admin/images/kde4.jpg |
| 04:48.40 | qupada | Vaske_Car: that's not really a good question to ask |
| 04:49.00 | Vaske_Car | I dont understand what you mean?? |
| 04:49.02 | qupada | kde4 is going to be even more configurable than kde3, so there are going to be infinitely more things you can make it look like |
| 04:49.29 | Vaske_Car | when is it going to be released? |
| 04:49.34 | Renze | Vaske_Car: that's called a "mockup", not a "screenshot" |
| 04:49.47 | Renze | sometime in 2007 |
| 04:49.55 | qupada | http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-release-plan.html |
| 04:50.21 | qupada | ^^ Vaske_Car: noone but the devs themselves have any more info than that |
| 04:50.56 | Vaske_Car | so how do I make my PC look like the one from that link? |
| 04:51.04 | qupada | you don't |
| 04:51.12 | qupada | as Renze said, it's a mockup |
| 04:51.13 | Renze | Vaske_Car: with great difficulty... that was done in a graphics program |
| 04:52.09 | Renze | Vaske_Car: you might manage to write a superkaramba theme that does some of that, if you're skilled with python |
| 04:52.28 | Vaske_Car | aha |
| 04:52.39 | Vaske_Car | anyway that screen look good |
| 04:52.55 | Renze | I don't like it |
| 04:52.57 | Vaske_Car | jusn an idea what to do :) |
| 04:53.00 | Vaske_Car | i do |
| 04:53.01 | qupada | that's entirely debatable. i wouldn't make my desktop look like that if you paid me |
| 04:53.08 | Vaske_Car | eheheh |
| 04:53.29 | Renze | no accounting for taste, I guess |
| 04:55.12 | Vaske_Car | you all guys use konqueror? |
| 04:56.50 | Renze | yes |
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| 05:33.18 | Renze | day three, and the morons at telstraclear still haven't fixed it |
| 05:35.27 | qupada | Renze: you just reminded me, i didn't call them back to find out if my dad's steet exists yet |
| 05:35.46 | qupada | maybe tomorrow |
| 05:35.52 | Renze | ask them when they're going to fix their network too |
| 05:36.23 | Renze | I can't even reach their network status page on their website |
| 05:36.37 | qupada | url? |
| 05:36.47 | qupada | or can you not even get the front page? |
| 05:36.50 | Renze | http://networkstatus.telstraclear.co.nz/ |
| 05:37.10 | qupada | not loading here either |
| 05:37.32 | Renze | I just got a page with the following content: <. |
| 05:37.53 | qupada | yeah, same here |
| 05:38.02 | qupada | took about 25 seconds to get it though |
| 05:38.04 | Renze | ooh, it's working now... lots of red light |
| 05:38.07 | Renze | lights* |
| 05:38.17 | Renze | major disruptions |
| 05:39.05 | qupada | woohoo. you can rest easy knowing calling cards are unaffected |
| 05:39.26 | Renze | We are currently working on the problem with our vendors, with no known timeframe for resolution. |
| 05:39.28 | Renze | oh joy |
| 05:40.23 | Renze | maybe I'll mail them an exploding package |
| 05:50.14 | xavior2180 | make it say 'pop!' :P |
| 05:52.41 | GraveDigger | how to open a url via dcop? dcop klauncher <anything>? |
| 05:52.48 | GraveDigger | or how's it done? |
| 05:53.07 | GraveDigger | i want to open urls remotely via ssh, and calling kfmclient this way fails |
| 05:53.32 | xavior2180 | what about like, 'konqueror whatever.com -- display :0' ? |
| 05:53.49 | xavior2180 | i don't think you can launch apps with dcop |
| 05:54.01 | xavior2180 | but i dunno |
| 05:55.11 | thiago | GraveDigger: kfmclient openURL |
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| 05:56.57 | GraveDigger | thiago: tried that, too. but for any reason it complains about missing display variable, and if i set DISPLAY=:0 for kfmclient in that call, something happens, but there does not open anything on the remote machine |
| 05:57.27 | thiago | GraveDigger: well, set DISPLAY to your X display before attempting to run any X programs |
| 05:57.41 | thiago | if you're using ssh, use ssh -X or ssh -Y |
| 05:58.43 | GraveDigger | erm no, i want to start the konqueror on the remote machine |
| 05:59.10 | GraveDigger | i have irsse here, and want to open urls posted in irssi here on a remote machine there |
| 05:59.23 | GraveDigger | but okay, lets try it again |
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| 05:59.45 | thiago | let's try it like this: when you get xterm to run, kfmclient will work too |
| 05:59.51 | thiago | so, work with xterm first |
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| 06:01.41 | GraveDigger | hmmm..... xterm starts |
| 06:02.19 | GraveDigger | but openURL does not start anything oO |
| 06:02.42 | GraveDigger | kfmclient openURL <URL> -> nothing happens |
| 06:03.35 | thiago | how about "konqueror <url>" ? |
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| 06:09.17 | GraveDigger | thiago: hmmm..... this starts konqueror, at least a process is registered, but again, no konqi windows showes up |
| 06:09.21 | GraveDigger | this is really strange |
| 06:09.49 | GraveDigger | s/windows/window/ |
| 06:10.05 | thiago | that's strange |
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| 06:17.49 | GraveDigger | thiago: hmm...i got it: kfmclient newTab <url> works... and its even better than openURL (for me).... openURL still does not work as expected and i am seriously wondering |
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| 06:18.05 | GraveDigger | thiago: anyway: have thanks for your advise |
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| 06:27.27 | linuxnow | hi |
| 06:27.30 | GraveDigger | hi |
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| 06:30.34 | linuxnow | why cant google find a decent level/map (free) editor ? |
| 06:32.06 | linuxnow | can k3d do that ? |
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| 06:34.47 | Ardonik | linuxnow: for Quakish levels (and Neverball), you could use GtkRadiant. |
| 06:35.05 | linuxnow | yes |
| 06:35.31 | linuxnow | but does it compile bsp ? |
| 06:35.37 | linuxnow | no |
| 06:36.34 | Ardonik | What? |
| 06:36.53 | Ardonik | I'm familiar with the BSP algorithm, but I still don't know what you mean. |
| 06:37.35 | linuxnow | compiling a map to a have a bsp with a valid tris count |
| 06:37.46 | linuxnow | this is what I mean |
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| 06:38.25 | linuxnow | I wonder if K3D can do it |
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| 06:41.45 | Ardonik | I'd read the GtkRadiant documentation at this point if I were you. I don't know the answer to your question. |
| 06:42.00 | linuxnow | thanks |
| 06:42.12 | linuxnow | are you a game designer ? |
| 06:42.22 | Ardonik | No. I am a 3D graphics programmer. |
| 06:42.34 | Ardonik | (By hobby rather than trade.) |
| 06:42.56 | linuxnow | ah |
| 06:42.56 | Ardonik | Indoor worlds and the BSP algorithm bore me to tears, though. Octrees are more fun. |
| 06:43.18 | linuxnow | you are a computer graphics master then ;) |
| 06:43.32 | linuxnow | you can optimise an app for a geforce sli |
| 06:43.53 | linuxnow | or cull/clip/show a surface at your will ,right ? |
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| 06:44.35 | Ardonik | Bluh? |
| 06:44.49 | Ardonik | I can clip things sure enough. Deriving your own clipping algorithms can be very fun. |
| 06:45.14 | Ardonik | 3D graphics is nothing but analytical geometry--my favorite branch of math. |
| 06:45.33 | linuxnow | can you normalize a directed light with a realtime the stencil op ? |
| 06:45.38 | Ardonik | I'm no master, and I'm also no gamer. |
| 06:45.44 | Ardonik | "normalize a directed light?" |
| 06:46.01 | Ardonik | A directed light has a direction vector. The vector can be normalized. |
| 06:46.05 | linuxnow | find a light direction normal/plane per vector scale |
| 06:46.06 | Ardonik | I think you're just typing terms now, though. |
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| 06:46.26 | linuxnow | lol |
| 06:46.28 | linuxnow | why? |
| 06:46.44 | Ardonik | "find a light direction normal/plane per vector scale" doesn't mean anything. |
| 06:46.54 | linuxnow | yes |
| 06:46.59 | Ardonik | Neither does "normalize a directed light". |
| 06:47.22 | Ardonik | I have a vector class. It has a normalize() method that divides the components by their magnitude. |
| 06:47.22 | linuxnow | the normal of a directed light from a vector to another one by scaling their plane |
| 06:47.35 | Ardonik | The normal of a directed light? |
| 06:47.38 | linuxnow | what does it look like ? |
| 06:47.41 | Ardonik | Vectors don't have normals. Planes do. |
| 06:48.24 | linuxnow | yes |
| 06:48.33 | Ardonik | Directional lights are vectors; add a point of origin to them and then you can calculate a plane. Naturally my Plane class has a constructor that takes a Point and a Vector. |
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| 06:49.25 | linuxnow | so you dot_product the light direction and the object axis ? |
| 06:50.25 | Ardonik | My Objects don't have an "Axis". |
| 06:50.31 | Ardonik | They have an orthonormal Basis. |
| 06:50.48 | Ardonik | That's three mutually perpendicular vectors--three personal X, Y, and Z axes if you will. |
| 06:51.14 | Ardonik | *Super* useful--you can transform any other object with respect to an arbitrary basis as if that basis were the origin. |
| 06:51.26 | Ardonik | And that has nothing to do with lighting, or KDE. |
| 06:51.34 | linuxnow | if your object/entities dont have axis ,then how do you manage the user viewport |
| 06:51.43 | linuxnow | what about a viewer camera ? |
| 06:51.46 | Ardonik | My objects has a basis. That's *three* axes. |
| 06:51.51 | Ardonik | A camera is just a basis. |
| 06:52.04 | Ardonik | With Z arbitrarily chosen as the forward direction. |
| 06:52.16 | Ardonik | Camera transforms == basis transforms. Simple. |
| 06:52.45 | linuxnow | ah ok |
| 06:53.50 | Ardonik | As for the viewport, I'm of the personal opinion that frustum clipping is overrated. I clip by far/near z axes, then project and do 2D clipping to the viewport. |
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| 06:54.42 | Ardonik | I guess if you do frustum clipping right, you're never supposed to have to do the 2D clipping, but meh. |
| 06:55.14 | linuxnow | anyway,gpus todays are so powerful that I really dont want to use those frustrum clipping/culling techniques that much |
| 06:56.14 | Ardonik | What you don't clip gets sent to be rendered, and that wastes time. |
| 06:56.47 | linuxnow | not with a quad sli :) |
| 06:57.00 | linuxnow | or a X360 gpu,or a RSX |
| 06:57.06 | linuxnow | what do you think a bout that |
| 06:57.11 | Ardonik | I don't give a damn. |
| 06:57.41 | Ardonik | Forgive the French. I'd rather spend my money on food and mutual funds. |
| 06:58.18 | linuxnow | :) ? |
| 06:59.03 | Ardonik | $_$ |
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| 07:01.26 | linuxnow | where do you live,geek? |
| 07:01.48 | Ardonik | Were you addressing me? |
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| 07:02.47 | linuxnow | I don't see another geek around here ... :| |
| 07:03.10 | Ardonik | As long as we're going for pejoratives, may I call you 'knob'? |
| 07:03.18 | Ardonik | I live in California. |
| 07:03.29 | linuxnow | ah |
| 07:04.25 | linuxnow | do you live by the bay ? |
| 07:04.36 | Ardonik | In the South Bay, yes. |
| 07:05.43 | linuxnow | great |
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| 07:10.12 | hagabaka | sometimes when I select a section of text in a multi-line edit box in Konqueror, Konqueror freezes up for one or two seconds. has anyone else experienced this? |
| 07:11.27 | linuxnow | okay ardonik ,brb gtg feed my cat |
| 07:11.38 | Ardonik | Adieu |
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| 07:21.13 | Renze | somebody send me a laptop ;) |
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| 07:38.42 | peppelorum | Is it possible to make service menus for forms in Konqueror? For example, mark text in a, right click, "change to lower case", or something like that |
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| 07:39.07 | peppelorum | Don't know is it is possible with Minitools |
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| 07:58.04 | annma | hi jose1711 |
| 07:58.16 | jose1711 | hello annma |
| 07:58.20 | annma | about czech data, is it updated in svn? |
| 07:58.20 | PhilRod | morning/evening annma |
| 07:58.22 | jose1711 | sorry, connection problems |
| 07:58.24 | annma | hi PhilRod |
| 07:58.53 | jose1711 | i dunno, i did not report any errors/typos |
| 07:59.13 | jose1711 | and frankly, i do not have too much time to test it now (dur. weekend maybe) |
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| 08:01.06 | jose1711 | annma: thank you for commit of slovak data |
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| 08:01.15 | annma | no problem jose1711 |
| 08:01.18 | annma | thanks to you |
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| 08:04.05 | amarokker | Hi, all, i am using kdevelop: scripting and am wondering how i can donwload all the help files so that i can work offline with them- i want to avoid downloading all the packages in documentation (synaptic). |
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| 08:06.14 | annma | amarokker: help files? |
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| 08:07.12 | amarokker | yeah- the documentation- i just noticed, the documentation inside kdevelop::scripting is quite good. But i think it needs to connect to the internet everytime i view a page. thats the prob. i work offline most of the time. |
| 08:07.52 | amarokker | and no, i've tried installing several packages for different scripting languages' documentation- but these help files are not available locally- |
| 08:08.56 | annma | i use kdevelop for c++ so i am not sure what the doc you mention is |
| 08:08.59 | Ardonik | amarokker: use wget --mirror. man wget |
| 08:09.01 | annma | what is it about? |
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| 08:09.46 | amarokker | annma: php, for starters :) i have several ebooks- but i really prefer the in-house docs. Ardonik- will try. |
| 08:10.34 | annma | maybe kdevelop should separate the onlone docs from the off line ones available |
| 08:10.44 | annma | that's an idea I'll note for the future |
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| 08:12.48 | amarokker | yeah. I really want to start developing apps for KDE- but with what the internet charges, cannot afford to stay online or work online from this corner of the world. |
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| 08:14.02 | amarokker | annma: just a pop question - would I need a license for the commercial QT-designer/assistant if I want it ported to windows? |
| 08:14.09 | annma | not for qt4 |
| 08:15.48 | annma | amarokker: qt4 is free for windows |
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| 08:17.47 | jose1711 | annma: bye for now |
| 08:18.09 | annma | bye jose1711 |
| 08:18.12 | annma | take care |
| 08:20.19 | amarokker | alright. will do some reading on it then. thanks. annma. |
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| 08:21.16 | annma | amarokker: the qt doc is shipped with qt |
| 08:21.32 | annma | so at least you'll get that one off line with assistant to browse it |
| 08:22.31 | amarokker | yeah, it is- no probs there. |
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| 08:33.09 | pinotree | wedgeV: not sure, but maybe it was fixed |
| 08:33.27 | pinotree | the fix could be in kde 3.5.5 |
| 08:35.28 | wedgeV | i'm looking at the repo now |
| 08:37.00 | Renze | wedgeV: 3.5.5 doesn't come out until October |
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| 09:51.48 | RockMan | ciao |
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| 09:58.24 | markus23 | is it possible to start a detached konsole with a specific command? |
| 09:58.37 | markus23 | I have always running konsole... |
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| 10:01.03 | Ardonik | ...detached? |
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| 10:01.16 | PhilRod | kstart konsole |
| 10:01.28 | PhilRod | or just Alt+F2, konsole |
| 10:01.33 | Ardonik | bash$ konsole & |
| 10:02.10 | Ardonik | bash$ echo "konsole" | at now + 1 minute |
| 10:02.40 | Ardonik | bash$ ssh $USER@localhost konsole & |
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| 10:06.54 | zorglu_ | q. my "kded" take 100% of the cpu for like the last 5min, any idea ? what is the purpose of this kded ? why does it eat so much cpu suddently ? is it s normal behaviour or a bug ? |
| 10:08.10 | markus23 | sorry, don't mean detached, I mean the become independed feature (hive off), where a single tab of konsole becomes independed |
| 10:08.19 | markus23 | where it is not needed that konsole is restarted |
| 10:08.26 | markus23 | mmh, maybe it can be done with dcop |
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| 10:10.10 | markus23 | mmh, executing a command is not possible as i see it |
| 10:11.25 | PhilRod | zorglu_: are you using kat? |
| 10:12.11 | PhilRod | markus23: right-click on tab -> detach session ? |
| 10:12.11 | zorglu_ | PhilRod: no, it was very soon after loggin in, after a cold reboot. |
| 10:12.50 | zorglu_ | PhilRod: oh you mean kat, the file indexer. not kate with a typo :) no kat is not even installed on the box |
| 10:13.10 | zorglu_ | PhilRod: i looked at strace and it seems to spent it on a socket. socket:[13014] from /proc/fd, a suggestion on how i can translate that into a usual ip address:port format |
| 10:15.26 | PhilRod | zorglu_: try disabling everything in contorl center -> kde components -> service manager, and restart kde |
| 10:15.32 | PhilRod | I think those are kded modules |
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| 10:16.04 | zorglu_ | PhilRod: hmm ok, see you soon then :) |
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| 10:21.43 | AegeanLinux | hey all! |
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| 10:25.58 | tdi_k | does anybody know if there is scrollbar-color support in konqueror 3.5.4 |
| 10:26.04 | markus23 | PhilRod: yeah, I mean that feature |
| 10:26.21 | markus23 | PhilRod: Starting a new konsole needs to long... |
| 10:28.19 | PhilRod | hi AegeanLinux |
| 10:28.50 | PhilRod | tdi_k: do you mean changing the scrollbar colour with CSS? If so, there certainly was in the past, so I assume it's still there |
| 10:29.00 | AegeanLinux | hey PhilRod |
| 10:29.13 | PhilRod | markus23: what's wrong with that feature? |
| 10:30.07 | markus23 | PhilRod: nothing is wrong, its a very good feature, but can I trigger it from extern? |
| 10:31.23 | PhilRod | doesn't look like you can |
| 10:31.58 | markus23 | ok, thank you |
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| 10:34.06 | PhilRod | you could put in a feature request for a dcop call to do that |
| 10:34.40 | Humanoid | Why does kmail fill my emails with '=xx' codes everywhere? Where xx is some hex number representing the character. I cannot find what standard this coding scheme is part of. |
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| 10:49.52 | leopartux | hi |
| 10:50.44 | leopartux | the icon on the desktop are always moving to the right |
| 10:50.55 | leopartux | when i start computer |
| 10:51.34 | leopartux | i put all the icon at the top of the desktop |
| 10:52.09 | leopartux | and centered |
| 10:52.41 | leopartux | they are movin right |
| 10:53.49 | markus23 | transparency is really great in kde now! |
| 10:54.27 | markus23 | only films (kaffeine) and v4l (tvtime) has sometimes flares in it |
| 10:54.47 | markus23 | some parts of the kicker flicker through |
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| 10:56.30 | benJIman|work | markus23: are you using Qtcurve? |
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| 10:57.08 | markus23 | No, I am using Plastic and the composite extensions from xorg |
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| 10:58.55 | markus23 | benJIman|work: does it have anything to do with Theme? |
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| 11:01.13 | benJIman|work | markus23: just Qtcurve has a bug that can cause kicker flickering. |
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| 11:01.42 | markus23 | benJIman|work: ohh, thank you, but it does not flicker all the time, only when film is in front of it |
| 11:01.56 | markus23 | passive popups also flicker |
| 11:04.34 | markus23 | Is it useful to bugreport these experimental things? |
| 11:04.55 | benJIman|work | not if it's composite related# |
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| 11:05.15 | markus23 | benJIman|work: it is, thank you... |
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| 11:13.00 | tdi_k | PhilRod: that's what I mean... I know but it's somehow gone! |
| 11:13.01 | tdi_k | Could it be, that konqueror does not support css scrollbar-____ options anymore? |
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| 11:18.29 | PhilRod | tdi_k: maybe. Horrible feature, IMO |
| 11:18.41 | PhilRod | but I have no idea whether it was deliberately removed |
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| 11:26.10 | tuxick | my konqueror still not loading the konq icon top right, until i click on it |
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| 11:53.55 | manchicken|away | Hmm... kicker won't switch icon sets.... |
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| 12:03.59 | zorglu_ | q. when i have large text entry in html and read it via konqueror like with wikipedia, it seems to put some text in red, according to some rules i dont understand, how can i disable this ? |
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| 12:05.05 | annma | zorglu_: do yo have a screenshot? |
| 12:05.25 | zorglu_ | well i could make one :) |
| 12:06.01 | hermier | looks like syntax verification is in action |
| 12:06.19 | annma | yes, it could |
| 12:06.20 | hermier | s/syntax/grammar ? |
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| 12:06.39 | zorglu_ | look something like this , i search in the konqueror option without finding it |
| 12:07.01 | hermier | maybe it's enabled via kcontrol in fact |
| 12:07.16 | thiago | zorglu_: it's spellchecking |
| 12:07.43 | thiago | Settings, Configure Spellchecking |
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| 12:07.59 | flaccid | i keep gettin kde wizard on log in |
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| 12:10.06 | PhilRod | flaccid: sec, I'll find the option |
| 12:10.52 | PhilRod | create ~/.kde/share/config/kpersonallizerrc and put these two lines in it: |
| 12:10.58 | PhilRod | [General] |
| 12:11.03 | PhilRod | FirstLogin=false |
| 12:11.05 | PhilRod | done |
| 12:11.37 | PhilRod | actually, better: run "kwriteconfig kpersonalizerrc General FirstLogin true" |
| 12:12.39 | pinotree | PhilRod: not sure, but i heard kread/writeconfig will die in kde4... |
| 12:13.22 | flaccid | PhilRod: hmm that command dont work |
| 12:13.26 | flaccid | syntax |
| 12:13.28 | PhilRod | really? I wonder why |
| 12:13.39 | zorglu_ | thiago: in the konqueror menu ? i dont have any "Configure Spellchecking" in the "Settings" top menu of konqueror, went thru all the options without seeing anything about spellchecking, it is a kubuntu 6.06.1 with a konqueror 3.5.2 if it helps |
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| 12:14.07 | flaccid | Usage: kwriteconfig [Qt-options] [KDE-options] [options] value |
| 12:14.09 | annma | zorglu_: nothing is checked in Settings -> Configure Spelling? |
| 12:14.23 | PhilRod | actually, better: run "kwriteconfig --file kpersonalizerrc --group General --key FirstLogin --type bool true" |
| 12:14.29 | PhilRod | flaccid: there you go |
| 12:14.49 | PhilRod | zorglu_: do you have aspell or ispell installed? |
| 12:14.49 | flaccid | ok i'll test thanks mate |
| 12:15.10 | zorglu_ | annma: it is not that, there are no entry "Configure spelling" in the "Setting" menu |
| 12:15.20 | PhilRod | zorglu_: but kubuntu moves the menus around, so you might need to ask in #kubuntu |
| 12:16.14 | zorglu_ | aspell is installed but kcontrol 'spell check' seems to disable its use |
| 12:16.53 | zorglu_ | ok so just to be sure i get it, in a unmodified konqueror, the Settings menu as a Configure Spelling ? |
| 12:17.50 | annma | zorglu_: in the Settings menu in Konq I have Configure Spell Checking and the Configure Shortcuts |
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| 12:18.00 | manchicken | Okay... I have a weird problem... |
| 12:18.09 | zorglu_ | all: thanks for the help :) |
| 12:18.09 | annma | and Configure Toolbars and Configure Konqueror |
| 12:18.36 | manchicken | Everything except for desktop, konq, and kicker are using the right icons... |
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| 12:19.04 | PhilRod | manchicken: try with a new user |
| 12:19.12 | flaccid | PhilRod: who no success |
| 12:19.13 | PhilRod | tell us if the problem is there too |
| 12:19.28 | PhilRod | flaccid: really? weird. Try writing the file manually |
| 12:19.42 | PhilRod | flaccid: ahem, my fault: |
| 12:19.56 | PhilRod | "kwriteconfig --file kpersonalizerrc --group General --key FirstLogin --type bool false" |
| 12:20.07 | PhilRod | (I told you to put 'true' before. Sorry 'bout that |
| 12:20.25 | flaccid | do i need to specify absolute path for --file kpersonalizerrc |
| 12:20.54 | PhilRod | no |
| 12:21.21 | flaccid | like --file ~/.kde/share/config/kpersonalizerrc no? |
| 12:22.01 | flaccid | i did the command again |
| 12:22.07 | flaccid | and it went back into the file |
| 12:22.16 | flaccid | i'll log out and in and see what happens |
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| 12:24.28 | flaccid | PhilRod: hmm same thing |
| 12:24.35 | flaccid | still get wizard |
| 12:24.51 | flaccid | and upon login its gone from the kpersonalize file |
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| 12:26.06 | manchicken | Okay, it's happening on new users, too. |
| 12:27.10 | flaccid | manchicken: whats happening on new users to? |
| 12:27.12 | flaccid | too |
| 12:27.27 | manchicken | the icons aren't changing in kicker, konq or desktop |
| 12:28.28 | PhilRod | lunch, bbl |
| 12:28.48 | manchicken | Nice.... |
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| 12:44.20 | netG | hi |
| 12:44.58 | netG | anyone who knows how to get working WYSIWYG editors and konqueror? |
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| 12:48.25 | netG | I mean I use TinyMCE in my site but I can't see it with Konqueror |
| 12:48.43 | netG | I do with Firefox and IE |
| 12:49.20 | manchicken | tinymce is not very khtml safe. |
| 12:49.30 | manchicken | It's better than it used to be, but still not quite there yet. |
| 12:50.16 | netG | is there another compatible wysiwyg editor? |
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| 12:51.44 | manchicken | I'm not sure how far the development on editable content areas is right now. |
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| 12:52.58 | Sho_ | the primarily problem is usually that those controls either don't detect Konqueror properly or treatit as Safari |
| 12:53.29 | manchicken | Most of the time, yes. |
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| 12:54.41 | netG | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48302#c22 |
| 12:54.57 | netG | :sad: |
| 12:55.25 | netG | who knows when kde4 arrives? |
| 12:55.47 | manchicken | That's a good question. |
| 12:56.28 | netG | ;-) |
| 12:56.47 | netG | Is there a work planning page? |
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| 12:58.08 | emss | kde4 = next year |
| 12:58.28 | emss | someone yesterday said probably not till second quartor 2007 |
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| 12:59.27 | netG | 8-| |
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| 13:04.02 | netG | I better use Firefox for now |
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| 13:05.16 | _modumass | hey all, im using suse10.1 but everytime i move from 1 login to another the first login goes blackscreen |
| 13:05.35 | _modumass | and i cant get it to work, its blackscreen with cursor |
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| 13:09.52 | netG | Desktop manager? GDM or KDM? |
| 13:10.16 | _modumass | kde version 3.5.1 |
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| 13:13.34 | tuxick | when i start akregator, it hides itself so well i can't find it |
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| 13:13.39 | tuxick | where did it go? |
| 13:13.54 | Sho_ | Probably to your system tray? |
| 13:14.02 | tuxick | no |
| 13:14.05 | tuxick | i'd find it there |
| 13:14.09 | Sho_ | Perhaps you removed the system tray applet from your kicker panel so you can't see it? |
| 13:14.25 | tuxick | i just started it |
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| 13:17.12 | _modumass | i have 2 users logged in, the other login is blackscreen, how would i fix this? |
| 13:18.40 | _modumass | kde 3.5.1 |
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| 13:18.50 | _modumass | level a |
| 13:18.54 | _modumass | in suse10.1 |
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| 13:58.09 | M_A_K | anybody know why the progress indicator when I empty trash always stays at zero %? |
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| 14:51.35 | Ace2007 | Hi all |
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| 14:52.02 | Ace2007 | does anyone know a good audio tag renaming app, the file names have the right names but the tags and stuff are empty |
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| 14:54.11 | kucrut | Ace2007: try kid3, and/or *ahem* easytag |
| 14:54.26 | Ace2007 | Thanks |
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| 14:55.26 | manchicken | I'm wondering if this is a config problem.... kicker, konq, and kdesktop won't work properly with icon changes. |
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| 14:57.08 | manchicken | I've got a bunch of .new files sitting around. |
| 14:57.23 | manchicken | in ~/.kde/share/config |
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| 14:57.54 | akademylogger | manchicken: you can remove them - don't ask why they appear, but they seem to have no use |
| 14:58.20 | akademylogger | guess they are created when saving got abort or something, or backups |
| 14:58.37 | manchicken | It also looks like there are many duplicates in ~/.kde/share/config/sessions |
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| 15:00.03 | manchicken | Is there a way to reset configs without losing things like history, amarok caches, etc? |
| 15:00.03 | Ace2007 | CFLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -mfpmath=sse " CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu" |
| 15:00.16 | Ace2007 | wrong channel again |
| 15:00.21 | Ace2007 | sorry |
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| 15:01.56 | akademylogger | manchicken: well, at least for amarok everything not config related is in ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok |
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| 15:02.06 | akademylogger | guess it's the same way for most other apps |
| 15:02.17 | manchicken | So is it safe to just wipe out config? |
| 15:02.20 | akademylogger | as config dir is only meant for configs |
| 15:02.34 | akademylogger | manchicken: better do a backup first |
| 15:02.50 | akademylogger | of whole .kde dir |
| 15:02.51 | manchicken | I could just move it. |
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| 15:02.57 | manchicken | Oh. |
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| 15:03.01 | manchicken | Move the whole .kde? |
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| 15:03.06 | akademylogger | nah, backup :P |
| 15:03.23 | akademylogger | btw, if you care about your mail cache you need to use the old mail account configs |
| 15:03.35 | manchicken | Moving all of .kde sounds like it would lose a lot more than just configs. |
| 15:03.40 | manchicken | I don't want to lose data. |
| 15:03.46 | akademylogger | else it will be quite some work to get all the mails back |
| 15:03.58 | surfhai | do kmail work with opengpg? |
| 15:04.09 | manchicken | Works with gnupg, yeah |
| 15:04.31 | surfhai | it don't enkrypt krypted e-mails |
| 15:04.32 | manchicken | Use the kgpg proggy |
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| 15:04.38 | surfhai | i do |
| 15:04.40 | manchicken | Sure it does. |
| 15:04.52 | manchicken | I do it all the time. |
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| 15:05.14 | surfhai | false message: wrong passphrase |
| 15:05.42 | akademylogger | so you entered the wrong passphrase for the key |
| 15:06.04 | surfhai | i didn't enter anything |
| 15:06.20 | manchicken | Could be a bad key. |
| 15:06.24 | akademylogger | yep |
| 15:06.26 | manchicken | Or a missing key |
| 15:06.33 | surfhai | what did that mean? |
| 15:06.49 | manchicken | Um... gpg... keyring... private and public keys? |
| 15:06.51 | surfhai | should i create another key an test it again? |
| 15:07.03 | manchicken | Who are you trying to send encrypted messages to? |
| 15:07.09 | manchicken | You need to have their key as well. |
| 15:07.13 | manchicken | Their public key |
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| 15:07.29 | surfhai | i receive crypted mails |
| 15:07.49 | manchicken | Did they encrypt it with your public key? |
| 15:07.55 | surfhai | yes |
| 15:08.02 | manchicken | Then using a new key won't work. |
| 15:08.15 | surfhai | for this mail... it was a test mail |
| 15:08.15 | manchicken | You need to use the same private key that that public key goes to in order to decrypt it. |
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| 15:08.40 | manchicken | This is standard gnupg/openpgp stuff. |
| 15:08.45 | surfhai | ah, i saved the mail and opened it in mutt... and it works |
| 15:09.00 | surfhai | in kmail dont work it |
| 15:09.05 | manchicken | Did you let kmail know which key to use? |
| 15:09.21 | manchicken | I think you may have to set up your keys in the crypto tab of the settings dialog. |
| 15:09.22 | surfhai | a guy in #linux.de had the same problem |
| 15:09.30 | surfhai | manchicken, yes |
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| 15:09.42 | manchicken | Don't know what to tell you. Works for me. |
| 15:10.29 | henk | Hi, is it possible to copy a txt file into my pastebuffer, it is a realy big txt file and i'd hate to cp& it in a lot of passes |
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| 15:10.55 | manchicken | akademylogger: Do you think if I got out of K, went to a VT and just moved the kdeglobals and kicker and konq and kdesktop configs out of the way it would do what I'm expecting it to do? |
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| 15:11.55 | akademylogger | manchicken: dunno what you actually want to do :P |
| 15:12.04 | manchicken | HEre's the problem... |
| 15:12.07 | manchicken | I change icon themes. |
| 15:12.19 | manchicken | Everything respects those changes except for kicker, kdesktop, and konq |
| 15:12.29 | manchicken | kmenu works with it, kcontrol works with it, etc. |
| 15:13.33 | akademylogger | manchicken: re-login |
| 15:13.39 | manchicken | I have. |
| 15:13.41 | manchicken | Many times. |
| 15:13.52 | manchicken | Even with different users. |
| 15:13.52 | akademylogger | so the iconset just doesn't come with proper icons for thoose places |
| 15:14.10 | manchicken | Except that I've used several different icon sets, many of which I've verified that they work. |
| 15:14.26 | manchicken | I tried switching to the monochrome one that comes standard, and it doesn't work either. |
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| 15:15.34 | PhilRod | manchicken: could you make a screenshot? maybe that'll help tell what's wrong |
| 15:16.22 | manchicken | It doesn't look funny.... it's just that it's not changing anything in kicker off of the default icon set. |
| 15:16.43 | PhilRod | might be worth a look anyway |
| 15:16.43 | akademylogger | hm |
| 15:16.46 | akademylogger | ah |
| 15:16.46 | akademylogger | oh |
| 15:16.47 | akademylogger | eh |
| 15:16.52 | akademylogger | what about that: |
| 15:17.00 | akademylogger | erm |
| 15:17.02 | akademylogger | man |
| 15:17.16 | akademylogger | manchicken: does it work with other iconsets? |
| 15:17.16 | PhilRod | akademylogger: it's possible to write more than one word per line |
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| 15:17.25 | akademylogger | PhilRod: oh? :P |
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| 15:18.47 | manchicken | PhilRod: Where you want me to put it? |
| 15:18.51 | manchicken | PhilRod: DCC? |
| 15:19.06 | akademylogger | though that would be kinda strange |
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| 15:19.40 | manchicken | what's funny is that it has worked with different icon sets before. |
| 15:19.43 | tam | anyone had problems with klibido saying that the fs is full when trying to download binary's when it's clearly not |
| 15:19.54 | manchicken | Yesterday I got bored and decided to try and shake things up with my desktop's appearance. |
| 15:20.08 | manchicken | That's when things started going stupid. |
| 15:20.19 | manchicken | I'm wondering if one of the icon sets I was using is hosing my configs. |
| 15:21.13 | PhilRod | manchicken: imageshack.us |
| 15:21.18 | manchicken | Ah. |
| 15:21.21 | manchicken | Forgot about those. |
| 15:21.34 | PhilRod | could be - did you mess with the theme settings? (I mean, in the 'theme manager') |
| 15:22.23 | akademylogger | how would one do this? |
| 15:22.32 | manchicken | http://img133.imageshack.us/done.php?l=img133/4191/snapshot1hh2.png |
| 15:22.59 | manchicken | http://img133.imageshack.us/done.php?l=img133/4191/snapshot1hh2.png <-- that's it. |
| 15:23.21 | manchicken | I played with EVERYTHING... all inside of kcontrol though. |
| 15:23.29 | akademylogger | manchicken: what's your distro? |
| 15:23.30 | manchicken | I go nuts sometimes just playing with stuff. |
| 15:23.31 | manchicken | Su |
| 15:23.34 | manchicken | SuSE |
| 15:24.20 | akademylogger | ok |
| 15:24.24 | manchicken | I also--recently--had a problem with the kmix window showing up on startup. |
| 15:24.36 | akademylogger | the kicker icons could just be static linked |
| 15:25.01 | akademylogger | could, not very likely though |
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| 15:25.27 | manchicken | Setting session to use blank session instead of saved session fixed the kmix issue though. |
| 15:25.38 | manchicken | Well, konq isn't going to use static ones for folders I wouldn't think |
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| 15:25.45 | akademylogger | depends |
| 15:25.47 | akademylogger | man |
| 15:25.53 | PhilRod | manchicken: if you add a new link to the panel, does it get the right icon? |
| 15:26.09 | akademylogger | manchicken: does the iconset actually ship with folder icons? |
| 15:26.12 | akademylogger | ...in proper naming... |
| 15:26.23 | manchicken | no |
| 15:26.31 | manchicken | Just added amarok using the right-click context menu. |
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| 15:26.43 | manchicken | Context menu had the proper icons, the icon that showed up in the panel did not. |
| 15:26.58 | cbr | is there some way to get Konqueror with Web Browser profile open videos in an embedded Kmplayer and in File Managment profile, it would open them in regular external Mplayer? |
| 15:27.41 | cbr | which would make sense because opening them embedded in file browsing mode is evil imo |
| 15:27.58 | manchicken | I'm gonna try something really quick... |
| 15:28.00 | manchicken | brb. |
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| 15:37.03 | Vwake | hi, does anyone know how to highlight a tab when some change happens in Konsole? |
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| 15:45.56 | netG | hi |
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| 15:45.56 | netG | how can i reset my menu to default? |
| 15:46.55 | PhilRod | netG: mv ~/.config and ~/.local somewhere else |
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| 15:51.21 | Q-collective | how do I count the number of words/characters in kword? |
| 15:51.31 | Ace2007 | What do i have to type into kid3/easytag to get them to tag by: Artist-Album-Track.mp3 ??? like %a...# |
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| 15:54.42 | xanax` | hello |
| 15:56.05 | Ace2007 | hi |
| 15:56.09 | Ace2007 | too late |
| 15:56.34 | Q-collective | way too late |
| 15:56.49 | Q-collective | Ace2007: you know how to count words in kword? |
| 15:57.06 | Ace2007 | two mins is not that bad |
| 15:57.23 | Ace2007 | Q-collective: Sorry, i use open office |
| 15:57.44 | Ace2007 | oh you could export it to open office and get it to count the words |
| 15:57.44 | Q-collective | what kind of kde user are you?! :p |
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| 15:59.17 | Ace2007 | I'm back, some strange key combo just closed everything in konversation |
| 16:01.04 | Sho_ | Ace2007: Ctrl+Q would quit the app .. |
| 16:01.32 | Ace2007 | Thats the thing, the app didn't quit, it was as if the freenode window and all the other tabs were instantly closed |
| 16:01.51 | Sho_ | Ace2007: If you close a server tab, the channels and queries associated with it are closed too |
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| 16:02.39 | Sho_ | Ace2007: If you close a server tab, the channels and queries associated with it are closed too. Perhaps you did Ctrl+W (Close Tab) on the server tab. |
| 16:02.55 | Ace2007 | Ctrl W asks if i want to close it |
| 16:03.24 | Sho_ | yeah, but that warning can be disabled, which I speculated you did earlier :) |
| 16:03.37 | Q-collective | hmm, come to think of it: why is it that koffice doesn't follow the i18n scheme of kde? |
| 16:03.45 | Sho_ | Q-collective: How so? |
| 16:03.49 | Q-collective | my whole kde is in Dutch, koffice isn't :( |
| 16:04.07 | Sho_ | Q-collective: Do you have the i18n packages for KOffice installed on your distribution? What is your distribution? |
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| 16:04.19 | Q-collective | Sho_: still Gentoo ;) |
| 16:04.22 | Sho_ | Q-collective: emerge koffice-i18n |
| 16:04.30 | Q-collective | gah :) |
| 16:04.35 | Sho_ | And before you do that, make sure LINGUAS in your make.conf is set correctly |
| 16:05.10 | Q-collective | Sho_: yeah, it's fetching the correct lanhg |
| 16:05.13 | Q-collective | lang* |
| 16:05.19 | Sho_ | oki |
| 16:05.44 | Q-collective | still, silly portage should do that automagically |
| 16:06.17 | Sho_ | The koffice split ebuilds do add a dep on koffice-i18n if LINGUAS is set |
| 16:06.24 | Sho_ | Perhaps the monolithic don't |
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| 16:06.33 | eNTi | hi. |
| 16:06.53 | Q-collective | Sho_: I have the split builds though |
| 16:07.31 | eNTi | could someone please help me. if i delete a folder in the "edit menu" program, and save and exit it, the folder is back again, as it was. |
| 16:07.34 | Sho_ | Q-collective: hmhm |
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| 16:08.47 | eNTi | why doesn't "Edit Menu" permanently alter the folder structure in .kde/share/applnk ? |
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| 16:10.35 | PhilRod | eNTi: because it uses ~/.config and ~/.local |
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| 16:12.35 | eNTi | PhilRod> and why doesn't it remember my settings? |
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| 16:15.46 | eNTi | well. thx anyway :() |
| 16:15.48 | eNTi | :) |
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| 16:34.11 | Ace2007 | Sho_: The warning is not disabled |
| 16:34.14 | Ace2007 | i just pressed it now |
| 16:34.23 | Ace2007 | and it asked if i wanted to leave #kde |
| 16:34.45 | surfhai | why do kmail encrytion only work with inline-opengpg? |
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| 16:37.51 | thiago | surfhai: no, it works with s/mime and openpgp/mime |
| 16:38.13 | dYz | hi all, how can i change the size of the k-menu icons? |
| 16:38.51 | surfhai | when i try to open a email what is encrypted with opengpg i receive this error: false passphrase |
| 16:39.10 | thiago | surfhai: did you get pinentry asking you for a password? |
| 16:39.36 | surfhai | no, only by emails encrypted with inline-opengpg |
| 16:39.55 | thiago | did you set up gpg-agent? |
| 16:40.22 | surfhai | what is the gpg-agent? |
| 16:40.48 | thiago | the program that you have to configure in order to use opengpg/mime. |
| 16:41.00 | surfhai | kgpg? |
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| 16:42.31 | surfhai | i dont set up anything like gpg |
| 16:43.08 | thiago | no, it's gpg-agent |
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| 16:43.32 | thiago | http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html |
| 16:43.57 | thiago | hmm... there's not enough information on that page, ignore it |
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| 16:48.30 | ThorstenG | thiago, hello? |
| 16:48.35 | thiago | ThorstenG: hello. |
| 16:48.43 | ThorstenG | im surfhai |
| 16:48.54 | thiago | I didn't say anything since |
| 16:48.58 | ThorstenG | oh |
| 16:49.01 | thiago | you have to install and configure gpg-agent for your distro |
| 16:49.13 | ThorstenG | i use kubuntu |
| 16:49.35 | ThorstenG | and i dont have a gpg-agent installed, when the programms name is gpg-agent |
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| 16:49.56 | thiago | kubuntu should be set up already |
| 16:49.59 | thiago | install it |
| 16:50.12 | ThorstenG | gnupg-agent? |
| 16:51.29 | ThorstenG | and after i installed it? |
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| 16:51.51 | thiago | you configure it. But I hope Kubuntu does it for you |
| 16:52.11 | ThorstenG | i dont have a programm what is named gnupg-agent |
| 16:52.16 | ThorstenG | what is the programmname? |
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| 16:53.09 | thiago | the program is called "gpg-agent" |
| 16:53.14 | thiago | the package I have no idea |
| 16:53.19 | thiago | $ rpm -qf `which gpg-agent ` |
| 16:53.20 | thiago | gnupg2-1.9.22-2mdv2007.0 |
| 16:53.28 | ThorstenG | package gnupg-agent programm: gpg-agent |
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| 16:54.05 | ThorstenG | gpg-agent: can't connect to `/home/tg/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent': No such file or directory |
| 16:54.05 | ThorstenG | gpg-agent: no gpg-agent running in this session |
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| 16:54.41 | thiago | ThorstenG: you probably have to restart your KDE session now |
| 16:54.47 | thiago | supposing the configuration did happen |
| 16:54.55 | ThorstenG | k, i will restart now |
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| 16:59.22 | surfhai | thiago, gpg-agent says the same as before |
| 16:59.53 | thiago | is it running now? |
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| 17:00.31 | thiago | open a terminal and type: echo $GPG_AGENT_INFO |
| 17:00.34 | thiago | does that show anything? |
| 17:00.37 | surfhai | gpg-agent --server |
| 17:00.43 | surfhai | i must start it |
| 17:00.45 | surfhai | :) |
| 17:01.12 | thiago | Kubuntu should have started it already |
| 17:01.14 | surfhai | and now it must work in my kmail? |
| 17:01.31 | surfhai | as a service? |
| 17:01.54 | thiago | open a terminal and run what I asked you to |
| 17:01.58 | thiago | does that say anything? |
| 17:02.07 | TobiasTheCommie | is there a specific konqueror support channel? |
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| 17:02.21 | thiago | support? no |
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| 17:02.28 | surfhai | a empty row |
| 17:02.32 | TobiasTheCommie | well, general questions channel. :) |
| 17:03.00 | TobiasTheCommie | just wondering if it is possible to make a java/javascript whitelist. As far as the configuration dialog looks it looks like it is doable. But it doesn't work |
| 17:03.10 | TobiasTheCommie | so i wondered if i'm effing up, or if it isn't meant to work like that |
| 17:03.19 | thiago | surfhai: try this: echo hi | gpg -s |
| 17:03.30 | thiago | surfhai: does that pop up a window or does it ask for a password on the command-line ? |
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| 17:04.07 | surfhai | ask for a password |
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| 17:04.21 | thiago | in a window or in the command-line? |
| 17:04.30 | surfhai | command-line |
| 17:04.37 | thiago | then gpg-agent is not configured |
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| 17:06.31 | surfhai | should i start gpg-agent as root in daemon mode or as user? |
| 17:06.43 | thiago | as user, in your X session startup script |
| 17:06.58 | thiago | otherwise, KMail won't get the information it needs |
| 17:07.29 | surfhai | k |
| 17:09.16 | TobiasTheCommie | ?? |
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| 17:12.13 | surfhai | what must i do after i startet gpg-agent? |
| 17:12.22 | surfhai | how can i configure it? |
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| 17:17.02 | thiago | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:17.22 | xanax` | hello |
| 17:17.24 | surfhai | should i type that in the command-line? |
| 17:17.52 | thiago | no, in your X session script |
| 17:17.55 | metalfan | hi |
| 17:18.04 | thiago | that has to be run before KDE starts |
| 17:18.37 | metalfan | ive got kde 3.5.2 - is the file sharing option in konqueror/properities/file sharing a kde 3.5.4 feature? |
| 17:18.52 | surfhai | in the .Xauthority? |
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| 17:25.59 | thiago | surfhai: no, in .xsession |
| 17:25.59 | surfhai | thiago, thanks it works now... |
| 17:26.03 | thiago | ok |
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| 17:56.50 | poopybutt | ok so i have a separate drive that is fat32 for my music/docs and i use it to share docs between linux and windows... i was editing a word document and wanted to save it again in the fold /media/hdb1/documents and it says access denied. how do i change this? |
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| 17:57.39 | Sutoka | poopybutt: do you have permission to write to that folder? is the fat32 partition mounted in a way that gives your user RW access to it? |
| 17:58.27 | poopybutt | Sutoka: dont really know. it is mounted at /media/hdb1 |
| 17:58.40 | poopybutt | i assume thats in the root directory, not my home |
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| 18:01.20 | roxy_ | In konqueror, when I View->show source, I got a launch feedback for a couple of seconds then nothing. What can I do ? |
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| 18:01.40 | l_r | hello |
| 18:01.49 | str4nd | hallo |
| 18:02.33 | annma | roxy_: run konqueror from konsole and retry |
| 18:02.39 | annma | see what is displaye |
| 18:02.40 | annma | d |
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| 18:04.34 | annma | roxy_: what does it say? |
| 18:05.01 | l_r | is there an application for drawing identikits? |
| 18:05.18 | l_r | like potato or kpotato, but more professional |
| 18:05.33 | roxy_ | annma: thanks , that partially answer my question :-) . |
| 18:06.22 | roxy_ | annma: I was trying to use vim as editor. With Konqueror starting from konsole it worked more or less. |
| 18:06.34 | annma | identikits, l_r ? |
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| 18:06.40 | annma | l_r: explain please |
| 18:06.57 | annma | roxy_: ;) |
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| 18:07.21 | l_r | annma, A set of images containing a wide variety of facial features, |
| 18:07.21 | l_r | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.21 | l_r | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.21 | l_r | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.33 | annma | oh |
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| 18:07.53 | annma | exactly like PotatoMan but wiyth other pics |
| 18:08.04 | annma | what use would that be if i may ask? |
| 18:08.33 | l_r | to create images of some friends of mine in a funny way |
| 18:09.05 | annma | ;) ok |
| 18:09.14 | annma | we never had that request before |
| 18:09.29 | l_r | annma, do you have something to do with gimp? |
| 18:09.33 | annma | we had it for dolls like making some Barbies-like |
| 18:09.40 | annma | l_r: not at all |
| 18:09.43 | annma | I am in kde |
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| 18:09.57 | l_r | ok..i think i saw your nick in #gimp somewhere |
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| 18:13.06 | roxy_ | annma: I got it working with gvim. What I really would like is to have vim started in a new konsole tab. Is that possible ? |
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| 19:07.00 | poopybutt | how come every time i reboot, under my home folder, there is desktop and desktop1 |
| 19:07.19 | poopybutt | i delete desktop1 every time cause it contains just a trash bin and is the same as desktop |
| 19:07.32 | l_r | hmm interesting |
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| 19:08.27 | MDCore | Uh, hey everyone... any change that KMail 1.9.1 would have eaten my email? I did a big download from pop3 server, started re-arranging.. and now some recent mails are missing |
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| 19:09.48 | Q-collective | Changelog Kmail: 1.9.1 - email eating digesting added |
| 19:10.16 | MDCore | dagburnit. |
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| 19:11.04 | MDCore | :) |
| 19:11.32 | MDCore | ok... I'm just...worried.. I want to use KMail as my primary... but I don't want my mails to randomly disappear; I'm just not sure if that is something that _happens_. (Trust has been broken...) |
| 19:12.04 | TeaSea | KMail is one of the best email clients for linux imo. |
| 19:12.24 | TeaSea | Although my friend Alistair's been bitching about this IMAP bug for ages. |
| 19:14.13 | MDCore | yeah. ok, not imap for me: Basically I decided to use kmail for all my accounts, including Gmail. So I setup the gmail pop access and it proceeded to download 279 messages. Not too bad. Then I started sorting it all out by using the search bar, select a bunch of mails, move to folder or delete. |
| 19:14.28 | MDCore | now some of my recent mails have just "disappeared". not in search, trash, anywhere. :P |
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| 19:15.23 | Q-collective | as soon as kmail will support gmail's tagging, I'll most likely switch aswell |
| 19:15.33 | MDCore | yeah.. the tagging.. mm. |
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| 19:15.58 | MDCore | well, just wondering if there was anything obvious I might be missing. I know this is #kde and not #free-therapy |
| 19:16.06 | Q-collective | I'm not in the mood to resort 10k mails |
| 19:16.07 | Q-collective | :) |
| 19:16.40 | MDCore | You can set it to only download from as at current date |
| 19:17.58 | Q-collective | MDCore: *if* I'm going to switch, I want my whole archive with me |
| 19:17.59 | Q-collective | duh |
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| 19:21.31 | MDCore | ah fully |
| 19:21.40 | MDCore | well... yeah... tagging your email.. fun |
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| 19:26.08 | octan | hey i need some help.. |
| 19:26.35 | octan | i just installed kubuntu amd 64 |
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| 19:26.49 | octan | and kpersoanlizer is making me crazy,, it starts up every time i startup kde.. dosent help to complite it |
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| 19:27.12 | octan | i know thers some fix to this.. but i dont remember. |
| 19:27.41 | octan | i need to edit the kpersoanlizerrc file.. but i dont remember what to put in there |
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| 19:28.41 | crazy | remove from startkde file |
| 19:28.45 | crazy | http://darcs.frugalware.org/darcsweb/darcsweb.cgi?r=frugalware-current;a=headblob;f=/source/kde/kdebase/fw-default-startkde.patch |
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| 19:35.00 | octan | HELP |
| 19:35.09 | octan | i need help.. im going crazy |
| 19:35.20 | octan | kpersoanlizer is making me crazy |
| 19:35.30 | annma | did you apply the patch? |
| 19:36.08 | annma | octan: ? |
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| 19:36.23 | octan | does it look like i want to do that.. i dont use frugalware .. and i absolutly dont wanna recompile my kde |
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| 19:36.34 | crazy | ? |
| 19:36.36 | octan | i know thers another way |
| 19:36.41 | crazy | do it manually |
| 19:36.46 | poopybutt | when i write click a folder and under permission and advanced permissions what is set uid set gid and sticky |
| 19:36.46 | annma | did you come earlier? |
| 19:36.54 | crazy | you don't need recompile something |
| 19:37.07 | crazy | open startkde comment that out or remove |
| 19:37.10 | crazy | that is |
| 19:37.10 | annma | remove from the startkde script |
| 19:37.22 | annma | edit the startkde script |
| 19:37.32 | annma | in $(KDEDIR)/bin |
| 19:37.54 | annma | octan: do you understand? |
| 19:37.57 | octan | no thers another simpler way.. editing the kpersoanlizerrc file |
| 19:38.16 | annma | was it you that already asked earlier then??? |
| 19:38.18 | octan | someone told me too,.. while i was on 32 bit |
| 19:38.24 | annma | oh god |
| 19:38.32 | octan | but i formated and i am now in 64 bit |
| 19:38.41 | annma | edit your kpersaonlizer file and look into it |
| 19:38.51 | annma | kpersonalizerrc |
| 19:39.02 | octan | sure,, if i knew what to put in there |
| 19:39.05 | annma | it won't be too difficult to find out what to do |
| 19:39.19 | annma | why didn't you keep a log? |
| 19:39.29 | octan | lol good question |
| 19:39.44 | annma | yeah, next time you can think a bit |
| 19:40.38 | annma | ok do you have edited kpersonalizerrc? |
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| 19:40.47 | annma | paste it in pastebin please |
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| 19:41.45 | octan | haha i had enabled xchatlogging |
| 19:41.48 | annma | and you'll make a bug report to kubuntu i hope |
| 19:41.57 | octan | grep kpersonalizer /home/octan/.xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#kde.log |
| 19:41.59 | annma | so what about kpersonalizer? do you need help or not/ |
| 19:42.07 | octan | how can i tell which line that is.. |
| 19:42.15 | octan | cuz the file is like 8 MB |
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| 19:42.35 | annma | paste the kpersonalizerrc file in pastebin please |
| 19:42.35 | alsuren | octan: open it with less and do a / search? |
| 19:42.46 | annma | octan: paste the kpersonalizerrc file in pastebin please |
| 19:42.50 | annma | it'll be quicker |
| 19:42.58 | annma | we'll deal with that for good |
| 19:43.10 | alsuren | annma: good point |
| 19:43.15 | Bearcat | hello all. I'm having a little trouble with compiling kde. I may have reached a dead end, but i'd at least like to know that. I can not run mysql on my system (another story). kdebase seems to require it. I have looked through the config options and i don't see a way to turn it off. Is this correct? |
| 19:43.26 | octan | hold your horses 1 sec |
| 19:43.29 | annma | kdebase does not require mysql |
| 19:43.38 | annma | Bearcat: what distro? |
| 19:43.54 | Bearcat | annma: sourcemage (think gentoo in bash) |
| 19:44.03 | annma | eeeeeeeerk |
| 19:44.08 | annma | i feared something like that |
| 19:44.15 | crazy | annma: guess you need add something like : |
| 19:44.19 | crazy | [General] |
| 19:44.19 | crazy | FirstLogin=false |
| 19:44.19 | annma | Bearcat: i compile KDE from KDE svcn |
| 19:44.25 | annma | crazy: yes, yes |
| 19:44.31 | octan | haha so simple |
| 19:44.33 | annma | crazy: slow dows |
| 19:44.44 | octan | [General] |
| 19:44.47 | octan | FirstLogin=false |
| 19:44.51 | annma | crazy: it's not me that needs that, it's octan |
| 19:44.52 | octan | that was it :D |
| 19:45.00 | annma | and octan make a bug report to kubuntu |
| 19:45.06 | crazy | ok :) |
| 19:45.18 | annma | Bearcat: your sourcemage is buggy |
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| 19:45.36 | annma | incredible how distros can break kde |
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| 19:46.27 | poopybutt | when i write click a folder and under permission and advanced permissions what is set uid set gid and sticky |
| 19:46.42 | annma | poopybutt: ? |
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| 19:46.53 | annma | i don't understand your sentence poopybutt |
| 19:46.57 | PhilRod | poopybutt: find a "beginner's guide to linux" - should tell you |
| 19:47.14 | annma | ah he wants to know what it does |
| 19:47.17 | PhilRod | yes |
| 19:47.20 | annma | ;) |
| 19:47.25 | annma | time to go to bed for me |
| 19:47.29 | PhilRod | poopybutt: tldp.org is probably a good place to start |
| 19:47.33 | annma | brain is fogged |
| 19:47.37 | poopybutt | k thanks |
| 19:47.49 | Bearcat | annma: i'm trying to procure a a few lines of the compile log for you. one moment |
| 19:48.14 | annma | Bearcat: in the configure options you should not have mysql |
| 19:48.16 | PhilRod | annma: lol, I was just thinking "it can't possibly be night in canada, why does annma want to sleep?", then I realised :-) |
| 19:48.58 | annma | lol |
| 19:48.58 | annma | ;) |
| 19:49.15 | annma | Bearcat: make it quick please |
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| 19:52.23 | annma | Bearcat: ? |
| 19:53.00 | Bearcat | annma: there does not seem to be a configure option for --without-mysql |
| 19:53.18 | annma | Bearcat: ? |
| 19:53.31 | annma | and when you build without mysql what hhappens then? |
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| 19:54.34 | annma | Bearcat: it's not because --without-mysql does not exist that kdebase needs mysql |
| 19:54.47 | Bearcat | i'm working remotely, so this is not as speedy as i like |
| 19:54.51 | annma | configure has no --without-gtk and gtk is not needed |
| 19:55.41 | Bearcat | why would kdebase need gtk at all? |
| 19:56.10 | annma | Bearcat: same for mysql |
| 19:56.17 | annma | i was giving you an example |
| 19:56.25 | Bearcat | is it possible that mysql is bound by default (though i would expect that in qt-x11 and kdelibs where i am asked) |
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| 19:57.31 | annma | bound? |
| 19:58.07 | annma | Bearcat: i am telling you i don't have mysql and i build kde everyday |
| 19:58.14 | annma | kde3 and kde4 |
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| 19:58.19 | annma | [annma@localhost kmyapp-0.1]$ rpm -qa |grep mysql |
| 19:58.19 | annma | [annma@localhost kmyapp-0.1]$ |
| 19:58.21 | annma | look |
| 19:58.23 | Bearcat | alright, i'll file a bug with my distro |
| 19:58.31 | annma | yes please |
| 19:58.46 | Bearcat | i don't disbelieve you |
| 19:58.52 | annma | if you have a compile error in kdebase i can he;lp you though |
| 19:59.14 | annma | did you try compiling it? |
| 19:59.23 | Bearcat | yes. that's how i got the error. |
| 19:59.32 | annma | so paste the error in paste bin |
| 19:59.39 | Bearcat | i'm compiling again to get that error now |
| 19:59.44 | Bearcat | it should come up quickly |
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| 19:59.51 | annma | paste the first error lines in pastebin |
| 19:59.55 | annma | not there |
| 20:00.04 | Bearcat | right. |
| 20:00.07 | Bearcat | pastebin-ca |
| 20:00.14 | annma | what kde version is it? |
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| 20:01.34 | Bearcat | whoops wrogn button |
| 20:01.36 | shut- | anyone know a good linux for noobs |
| 20:01.43 | Bearcat | kde. 3.5.4 |
| 20:01.44 | annma | mandriva suse |
| 20:01.47 | annma | kubuntu |
| 20:01.50 | shut- | a 3cd one |
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| 20:02.01 | annma | nowadays they are on DVDs |
| 20:02.05 | benJIman | that's very specific |
| 20:02.16 | annma | Bearcat: will it be long? |
| 20:02.18 | shut- | dont got a dvd burner |
| 20:02.19 | benJIman | why not 2 or 4 cds ? :p |
| 20:02.24 | annma | i am ver tired |
| 20:02.28 | shut- | 2 or 4 |
| 20:02.30 | shut- | i guess |
| 20:02.33 | Bearcat | annma: i doubt it. A few minutes. I appreciate your time |
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| 20:02.50 | annma | shut-: buy any linux mag witht he distro in |
| 20:02.54 | benJIman | anyway suse 10.1 requires 3cd for default install of either kde or gnome. |
| 20:02.56 | annma | where do you live/ |
| 20:03.11 | shut- | canada |
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| 20:03.32 | annma | shut-: so you can find magazines |
| 20:03.55 | shut- | where at :P |
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| 20:04.00 | shut- | and on what |
| 20:04.09 | Bearcat | annma: nevermind. It looks like it fails in the build stage, not configure. I don't want to keep you up. |
| 20:04.12 | WorldBFree | how do i change the location of my home folder? |
| 20:04.24 | annma | Bearcat: tomorrow maybe |
| 20:04.33 | Bearcat | annma: thanks. I appreciate it. |
| 20:04.33 | annma | WorldBFree: set KDEHOME |
| 20:04.44 | annma | ok, bye all |
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| 20:06.10 | WorldBFree | ok now that annma left mid help, can anybody else help me... |
| 20:06.44 | WorldBFree | when i do set kde home do i have to be in the folder directory where i want my home folder to be when i do set kde home |
| 20:06.54 | Bearcat | (14:04:37) annma: WorldBFree: set KDEHOME |
| 20:07.05 | Bearcat | WorldBFree: no, you don't |
| 20:07.18 | WorldBFree | then how does it know where i want to set it? |
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| 20:07.38 | Bearcat | you give the set command to set the environment variable. |
| 20:08.10 | Bearcat | WorldBFree: set KDEHOME = [dir] |
| 20:09.30 | shut- | so no one knows a good on |
| 20:09.35 | shut- | one* |
| 20:09.49 | Bearcat | shut-: good one what? a beginner distro for kde? |
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| 20:10.08 | shut- | yes |
| 20:10.17 | Bearcat | shut-: try kubuntu |
| 20:10.37 | shut- | is the internet slow like on ubuntu |
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| 20:11.07 | Bearcat | shut-: that depends on the speed of your connection. It has nothing to do with the OS or distro you run. |
| 20:11.34 | shut- | well it is slow on ubuntu but when i had debain it was fast |
| 20:11.48 | Bearcat | shut-: what do you mean the "internet is slow" |
| 20:12.09 | shut- | on ff it loaded 1 page per a min |
| 20:12.23 | Bearcat | shut-: what browser were you using? |
| 20:12.36 | shut- | firefox |
| 20:13.04 | wallshot | gui apps are usually a shitty way to test connection speed |
| 20:13.06 | Bearcat | i really, really doubt it was the distro. Besides debian and ubunto are basicly the same thing. |
| 20:13.17 | Bearcat | wallshot: agree |
| 20:13.29 | wallshot | ping, fetch, wget all cut out a lot of overhead |
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| 20:13.49 | Bearcat | wallshot: however, my ISP has the annoying habit of turning off ping at random so i never know if my network is fsked or it's them :/ |
| 20:14.24 | wallshot | yah icmp can't be counted on much lately |
| 20:14.39 | shut- | so you recomand kubuntu |
| 20:14.54 | wallshot | i always recommend freebsd |
| 20:14.57 | letto | is there a kde front-end for fortune-mod ? |
| 20:14.57 | wallshot | gogogo |
| 20:15.02 | Bearcat | shut-: yes |
| 20:15.08 | shut- | ~[ wallshot ]~ why |
| 20:15.23 | Bearcat | wallshot: really? why? |
| 20:15.35 | wallshot | it like its organization and upgrades for both the OS and 3rd party ports are really time efficient |
| 20:15.45 | wallshot | they ahve a history of testing and trying things before releasing them |
| 20:15.49 | BertiLo | what is fortune-mod? |
| 20:15.55 | wallshot | sort of the opposite of redhat's history with wu-ftpd and xinetd and the like |
| 20:16.09 | wallshot | technology doesn't hit freebsd as quickly though. :( |
| 20:16.22 | wallshot | but everything i need to do my job pretty much will compile and run natively on it |
| 20:16.31 | wallshot | plus a ton of multimedia fun stuff |
| 20:16.31 | Bearcat | wallshot: redhat and mandrake (what ever it is now) were a disaster to run. I'll never use a rpm based distro again |
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| 20:17.00 | wallshot | if i need to run linux again (say i need to run a sybase ASE server) i would prolly try out deb, based on what i've heard |
| 20:17.32 | Bearcat | wallshot: right, but compilation takes a lot of horsepower. That;s fine for you and i (i run sourcemage) but i donno what kind of system shut- is running. |
| 20:17.36 | wallshot | portage is a nice clone of freebsd ports, might look at gentoo again |
| 20:17.45 | wallshot | but gentoo wasn't nearly as time-efficient as freebsd when i tried it in like 2001 |
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| 20:18.13 | shut- | Huh |
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| 20:18.20 | shut- | as in make or as in os |
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| 20:18.32 | Bearcat | wallshot: my one complaint against kubuntu is the idea that root is innacessible. Everything is done through su. As an experianced user, tryign to help someone set it upa was a nightmare. |
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| 20:19.21 | isolationist | Bearcat: i thought it was done through sudo on u/kunbuntu |
| 20:19.39 | wallshot | my dell has an i810, it is a bit weak too |
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| 20:19.41 | wallshot | mistell |
| 20:19.52 | Bearcat | isolationist: yeah, i meant sudo. sorry |
| 20:20.07 | wallshot | hrmmm having to sudo everything would piss me off |
| 20:20.20 | wallshot | sometimes i want to be in admin mode and just see root when i whoami |
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| 20:20.24 | shut- | wallshot what do you use |
| 20:20.25 | Bearcat | wallshot: setting up a printer was a pain. |
| 20:20.29 | Bearcat | wallshot: yeah |
| 20:20.51 | Bearcat | i don't believe in sudo. I have it exiled on my machine |
| 20:20.55 | isolationist | hehehe - i am never sure in the point in sudo as you can just sudo to bash |
| 20:21.22 | wallshot | usually, sudo is used when you just want certain commands to be allowed to run uid0 by a user |
| 20:21.29 | Bearcat | isolationist: just log in as root. If a normal user can't do that they have no business running sudo anyway. |
| 20:21.33 | wallshot | if you allow sudo of bash or of everything it's just pointless |
| 20:21.43 | wallshot | may as well just su - to root |
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| 20:22.31 | isolationist | wallshot: exactly, and you can do that on kubuntu |
| 20:22.38 | shut- | ya who |
| 20:22.40 | Bearcat | when you are in something like kcontrol and you hit "administrator mode" what is it doing? Running as su in a shell, or does it have it's own internal sudo libs? |
| 20:22.48 | isolationist | wallshot: so i don't see the point in them using sudo if you can do that |
| 20:23.21 | wallshot | it's not sudo, it must be su based |
| 20:23.21 | shut- | ~[ wallshot ]~ what linux you use |
| 20:23.27 | wallshot | shut-: i use freebsd |
| 20:23.38 | wallshot | when given a choice. redhat as3 at work |
| 20:23.41 | isolationist | wallshot: what isn't sudo? |
| 20:23.43 | Bearcat | shut-: i.e. not linux |
| 20:23.52 | wallshot | administrator mode can't be using sudo |
| 20:23.57 | shut- | ~[ wallshot ]~ does it let you install printers |
| 20:23.59 | wallshot | sudo reequires the user have access in the sudoers file |
| 20:24.14 | wallshot | it accepts the root password |
| 20:24.16 | Bearcat | isolationist: what is this? reverse Jeopardy? |
| 20:24.18 | shut- | as i got a new one like canon pixms ip1600 |
| 20:24.20 | isolationist | wallshot: i once tried ubuntu which was using sudo and you could easily sudo to bash |
| 20:24.22 | shut- | pixma |
| 20:24.24 | wallshot | so it must just use su or su library calls |
| 20:24.27 | benJIman | little use for sudo on a single user system, indeed su -c "command" is better |
| 20:24.36 | wallshot | isolationist: yeah that's a lame /etc/sudoers setup |
| 20:24.43 | wallshot | defeats the purpose |
| 20:24.50 | wallshot | well... |
| 20:24.53 | isolationist | wallshot: agreed, seems silly |
| 20:24.55 | wallshot | it saves you the trouble of memorizing 2 passwords |
| 20:24.57 | wallshot | actually |
| 20:24.59 | wallshot | so that's something i guess |
| 20:25.07 | benJIman | that's a flaw. |
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| 20:25.13 | benJIman | one password compromised and you're screwed. |
| 20:25.14 | shut- | wall shot |
| 20:25.23 | shut- | ~[ wallshot ]~ http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=freebsd |
| 20:25.24 | shut- | that one |
| 20:25.40 | Bearcat | *face paws* |
| 20:25.48 | isolationist | i use su - here and use it wisely - works well for me |
| 20:25.51 | wallshot | shut-: yes, that's the one |
| 20:26.02 | Bearcat | wow, i never ran ldconfig after uninstalling mysql. I bet that's what the problem is! |
| 20:27.22 | shut- | there must be torrents right |
| 20:27.56 | benJIman | most distros you're better off using mirrors |
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| 20:28.09 | benJIman | torrent will never compete for speed with mirrors on superfast academic networks. |
| 20:29.14 | shut- | {{ gHg t }} |
| 20:29.27 | shut- | ok |
| 20:29.47 | SimAtWork__ | benJIman: not sure about that. quite offten torrents max out my download speed. |
| 20:29.55 | SimAtWork__ | benJIman: and by quite often i mean, pretty well all the time. |
| 20:29.57 | Tomasu | I really wish kmail would stop crashing when I attempt to filter the folder contents using that search entry... |
| 20:30.25 | Tomasu | takes kontact with it.. |
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| 20:34.03 | WorldBFree | yeah so set KDEHOME doesnt work |
| 20:34.24 | WorldBFree | the directory im trying to change kde home to is /media/hdb4 how would i go about doing that |
| 20:36.44 | Bearcat | WorldBFree: try the commmand modusr --help There is a commmand you can run to change your home dir permanately |
| 20:36.58 | WorldBFree | Bearcat: nice |
| 20:38.41 | WorldBFree | i dont have a modusr command |
| 20:39.50 | yonkeltron | how can i specify workgroup settings when trying to moung a samba share with the smb:/ kioslave? |
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| 20:44.55 | PadreCadenas | hi |
| 20:45.03 | PadreCadenas | please someone can help me? |
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| 20:45.29 | PadreCadenas | eject button doesn't work with new dbus |
| 20:45.30 | PadreCadenas | :( |
| 20:46.09 | PadreCadenas | dbus version 0.93 |
| 20:46.17 | SuN | Hi -- since upgrading to KDE 3.5.4, Kmail doesn't flash the (external) taskbar anymore when new mail arrives, is that a bug or is that feature just gone? |
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| 20:46.28 | SuN | Or is it perhaps fixable |
| 20:47.58 | slicslak | in quanta, after doing a find, i would like other instances of the word to be higlighted, similar to how firefox find does it. is this possible? |
| 20:48.16 | Q17-collective | PadreCadenas: good, then I guess I'll stick with 0.63 |
| 20:48.34 | PadreCadenas | Q17-collective: with 092 work |
| 20:48.37 | Q17-collective | 0.62* |
| 20:48.52 | Q17-collective | PadreCadenas: is it worth updating? |
| 20:49.01 | PadreCadenas | is possible to listen error message? |
| 20:49.05 | PadreCadenas | for example |
| 20:49.11 | PadreCadenas | now i press eject |
| 20:49.27 | PadreCadenas | is possible to have a "message" from kde? |
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| 20:54.41 | PadreCadenas | mmmm |
| 20:54.48 | PadreCadenas | what does it mean? |
| 20:54.49 | PadreCadenas | eject: unmount of `/media/Slackware\040Install' failed |
| 20:54.51 | PadreCadenas | :( |
| 20:56.27 | PadreCadenas | loool! |
| 20:56.30 | PadreCadenas | what a bug!!! |
| 20:56.31 | PadreCadenas | :( |
| 20:56.46 | PadreCadenas | doesn't umount when name are 1SPACE1 |
| 20:56.49 | PadreCadenas | : |
| 20:57.11 | PadreCadenas | doesn't umount when mount name with spaces!! |
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| 21:00.37 | Ace2007 | but you can unmount if you do this: "1\ 1" every space has a backslash before it so what you see in konq as "my work - backup" is "my\ work\ -\ backup" |
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| 21:01.55 | MinceR | or you could use quotation marks |
| 21:01.59 | PadreCadenas | yes i know |
| 21:02.06 | PadreCadenas | i think is a bug of hal |
| 21:02.07 | PadreCadenas | :( |
| 21:02.25 | PadreCadenas | if i mount /media/slackware |
| 21:02.28 | PadreCadenas | eject ok |
| 21:02.31 | PadreCadenas | button ok |
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| 21:09.35 | PadreCadenas | bye |
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| 21:33.52 | goldenear | SimAtWork__: are you still there ? |
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| 21:43.15 | chino | where is the section on the web site with all the screenshots of cool desktops |
| 21:43.22 | chino | and all the addons you can download ? |
| 21:43.27 | PhilRod | kde-look.org is probably what you want |
| 21:43.32 | chino | thanks |
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| 21:49.57 | Skrot | Hi. Is there a easy way to do a OSD or Notification in KDE? |
| 21:50.15 | PhilRod | Skrot: kdialog --passive |
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| 21:51.29 | PhilRod | though if you want a proper OSD, you might have to go looking at amarok or kmilo source code |
| 21:51.58 | Skrot | kmilo is the thingy that shows up when i increase/decrease my volume using my mutlimediakeys in kmix, no? |
| 21:52.09 | PhilRod | I think so |
| 21:52.14 | Skrot | Right |
| 21:52.28 | Skrot | My laptop has a "battery" button.. trying to figure out something sane to bind it to |
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| 21:53.02 | manchicken | Still having trouble with this.... |
| 21:53.19 | manchicken | kicker and konq won't use iconset icons... it won't change from the default. |
| 21:53.43 | manchicken | I've even tried generating completely blank configs (moving .kde out of the way and regenerating) and it still wouldn't change away from the default. |
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| 21:59.54 | eimajenthat | hey, when you first setup kde, there's a program that lets you pick whether it'll be linuxy, windowsy, or maccy, and how much eye candy you want. What's that program called? |
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| 22:05.01 | MetaMorfoziS | bb all |
| 22:06.06 | Renze | eimajenthat: kpersonalizer |
| 22:06.06 | eimajenthat | hey, when you first setup kde, there's a program that lets you pick whether it'll be linuxy, windowsy, or maccy, and how much eye candy you want. What's that program called? |
| 22:06.11 | eimajenthat | thanks!!! |
| 22:06.15 | Renze | no problem |
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| 22:07.48 | NthDegree | kpersonaliser |
| 22:07.53 | NthDegree | kpersonalizer |
| 22:08.12 | NthDegree | something like that |
| 22:08.20 | Renze | too slow |
| 22:08.22 | NthDegree | on some distros you have to install it |
| 22:08.37 | NthDegree | oops yeah i just read lol |
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| 22:09.50 | PhilRod | don't irc as root yada yada yada bla bla bla |
| 22:10.11 | PhilRod | before someone else gets there before me :-) |
| 22:10.41 | Renze | maybe the only way they'll learn is if we hack them? ;) |
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| 22:12.17 | ukrVeda | слушай, я первый раз зашла! Он автоматом подключился! |
| 22:12.30 | Renze | english only |
| 22:12.40 | ukrVeda | сам такой! =) |
| 22:13.03 | Renze | I do not understand the cyrillic alphabet |
| 22:13.24 | qupada | Renze: wouldn't you know it my dsl is down. suddenly you're not the only one with connection issues |
| 22:13.55 | Renze | qupada: which reminds me... gotta check the status of the little coloured lights :) |
| 22:14.08 | qupada | ha |
| 22:14.18 | Renze | yellow now instead of red |
| 22:14.35 | qupada | just wait until they start putting up the rainbow coloured lights |
| 22:14.39 | qupada | brb |
| 22:14.55 | Renze | or the black lights "our network is dead, so you can't even see this page" |
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| 22:15.42 | tilgovi | Is there any way to control the exact command line argument KDE uses for ripping cds to mp3 via drag and drop? |
| 22:15.49 | tilgovi | Like, if I want to use --vbr-new to lame can I use that? |
| 22:16.08 | simmerz | can i do multi page scanning at the moment with anything under linux? |
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| 22:16.32 | PhilRod | tilgovi: control center -> sound & mm -> audio cds |
| 22:17.27 | ukrVeda | тут хоть кто-то русский понимает? Я знаю английский, но вот писать пока плохо умею... Подскажите, как мне ник зарегистрировать! Что бы под рутом не заходить... |
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| 22:18.56 | marccollin | in the kde svn, are there a easy way to search file? |
| 22:19.09 | Renze | ukrVeda: swearing at us in Yiddish isn't going to do any good |
| 22:19.16 | PhilRod | hi marccollin |
| 22:19.22 | marccollin | hi |
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| 22:19.47 | marccollin | you are the guy who writed me? |
| 22:19.52 | PhilRod | yup |
| 22:19.59 | PhilRod | did you get the email I just wrote? |
| 22:20.24 | marccollin | i received one email from you |
| 22:21.05 | ukrVeda | I have some problems with english! Is it understand for you? I`m trying to find someone who knows russian!!!! |
| 22:21.31 | marccollin | ok i receving the second..... |
| 22:23.38 | marccollin | what i would like to do is fix EBN issues...... could increase my c++ and qt knowledge |
| 22:24.54 | Renze | ukrVeda: I don't know anyone that speaks Russian |
| 22:24.56 | PhilRod | marccollin: ok - can you write a reply to my first message and send it to the list? Hopefully Adriaan (who runs the EBN) can help you to get started |
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| 22:25.08 | PhilRod | marccollin: I'm not really sure which of those issues are good to do first, since I'm not a coder |
| 22:25.24 | leopartux | hi |
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| 22:25.46 | PhilRod | marccollin: oh, and there he is (on kde-quality) |
| 22:25.47 | PhilRod | hi leopartux |
| 22:26.07 | marccollin | i checked ebn and it's seem to give a good idea to fix "bad pratices"... |
| 22:26.35 | leopartux | is it possible to make a html page as my desktop |
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| 22:27.16 | leopartux | a local html page |
| 22:27.17 | PhilRod | leopartux: right click desktop -> configure desktop -> background -> advanced -> use a program ... -> kwebdesktop |
| 22:27.35 | leopartux | i now that |
| 22:28.00 | leopartux | but i want to make a local page as my desk top |
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| 22:28.36 | PhilRod | so just change the settings for kwebdesktop (click on "modify") |
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| 22:28.53 | leopartux | i ll try |
| 22:28.54 | PhilRod | replace http://www.kde.org with file://path/to/the/file/you/want/ |
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| 22:39.20 | Bearcat | now, if only i could fix apache2 i'd almost in business. |
| 22:39.37 | Bearcat | our spell is seriously broken. I may attempt that tonight |
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| 22:46.30 | Bearcat | and i said that in the wrong room entirely |
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| 22:46.52 | marccollin | how to acces kde svn with kdesvn? |
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| 22:50.29 | Captain_Redbeard | I'm experiencing extreme memory leakage when running the composite transparent effects on KDE 3.5.x is this an issue with KDE or with X11R7.0 itself? |
| 22:51.23 | hydrogen | probably with kde, transparency in 3.5 was kind of hackish |
| 22:51.39 | Renze | it'll be better in KDE4 |
| 22:51.58 | leopartux | tamamdir |
| 22:52.39 | Captain_Redbeard | Ah... |
| 22:52.55 | Captain_Redbeard | no release date set for KDE 4 I guess? |
| 22:53.27 | leopartux | its ok PhilRod thanks |
| 22:53.48 | hydrogen | Captain_Redbeard: sometime later |
| 22:54.00 | Captain_Redbeard | hydrogen: haha :) Yea I kinda figured ;) |
| 22:54.00 | Renze | Captain_Redbeard: when it's ready :D |
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| 22:54.23 | jman8888 | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE4+Windows+Port |
| 22:54.27 | jman8888 | Is that true? |
| 22:54.34 | Captain_Redbeard | SuperKaramba eats wuite the lot of memory as well :p |
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| 22:55.09 | Junito | hi |
| 22:55.31 | Captain_Redbeard | jman8888: hehe neat... kinda useless though... |
| 22:55.47 | hydrogen | jman8888: possibly |
| 22:55.57 | hydrogen | jman8888: the idea is true, who knows if it will happen |
| 22:56.18 | jman8888 | So what. They take what makes people want to use linux. And give it to windows users. |
| 22:56.28 | jman8888 | I switched to linux because of KDE! |
| 22:56.31 | Captain_Redbeard | jman8888: no not really... |
| 22:56.49 | Junito | Is possible to quit the autorun windows that appear when you enter a cd? i dont see nothing on the control panel |
| 22:57.05 | Captain_Redbeard | jman8888: well most people switch due to the lack of costs, or the stability or some because they are emo and want to be different I guess ;) |
| 22:57.56 | jman8888 | Captain_Redbeard, :) But really if people want Linux to be widely used they cant do that. |
| 22:58.00 | jman8888 | Bad idea. |
| 22:58.22 | hydrogen | jman8888: what does it matter if kde is used on linux or windows? |
| 22:58.27 | hydrogen | jman8888: its still promoting OSS |
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| 22:58.47 | Captain_Redbeard | jman8888: Well... I don't know what I want really... I couldn't care less if people want to use overpriced sheit OS's that doesn't work as intended and is a huge security issue in all... |
| 22:58.48 | hydrogen | jman8888: and if people like kde, they are not going to see the point of buying new versions of windows, they will just use linux where its all free in the future |
| 22:58.58 | Captain_Redbeard | but for me.. I want my OS to be the way I want it, customizable |
| 22:58.59 | jman8888 | But still has the flaws of Windows. |
| 22:59.19 | hydrogen | jman8888: some of them |
| 22:59.26 | PhilRod | marccollin: http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html |
| 22:59.26 | jman8888 | And i dont see any good out of this. |
| 22:59.52 | hydrogen | jman8888: More people using OSS, what is bad about that? |
| 23:00.06 | jman8888 | But not OSOS |
| 23:00.07 | marccollin | kdesvn program don't like this address |
| 23:00.12 | jman8888 | (Open Os.) |
| 23:00.21 | PhilRod | marccollin: no, read the instructions at that page :-) |
| 23:00.46 | jman8888 | I prefer linux completely. And if people just have the best of both worlds without needing to leave what they are used to (Both games and linux apps) |
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| 23:00.52 | slicslak | wow, ktorrent 1.2 is a huge improvement over 1.0. nice work. |
| 23:01.04 | jman8888 | Then they may never leave the Windows side. |
| 23:01.08 | Renze | jman8888: I've lost count of the number of times this specific debate has reared its head in this channel... please don't bore me again :) |
| 23:01.09 | jman8888 | Theres a ktorrent? |
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| 23:01.29 | hydrogen | jman8888: of course they would leave windows, if they are not using the windows gui why would they continue to pay for new versions of windows? |
| 23:01.32 | Renze | slicslak: ktorrent 2.0.2 is a metric assload better than 1.2 |
| 23:01.43 | jman8888 | I guess they may leave. |
| 23:01.57 | jman8888 | But i would have stuck with windows if i had KDE on it. |
| 23:02.14 | hydrogen | okay |
| 23:02.30 | jman8888 | because i had MS office. And all kinds of games. But im on linux now and WAY happier. |
| 23:02.33 | marccollin | ok to fix ebn issue, i need kde trunk..... or a fix release? |
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| 23:02.48 | slicslak | Renze, i usually just follow what's considered stable by the gentoo folks. is 2.0.2 stable for you? |
| 23:02.55 | PhilRod | marccollin: I think trunk is probably best |
| 23:03.03 | Renze | slicslak: very much so... as is "unstable" KDE |
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| 23:03.38 | hydrogen | err |
| 23:03.42 | QMario_ | Why does Firefox use so much memory? Is there a better browser than it? |
| 23:03.42 | hydrogen | marccollin: don't use kde trunk |
| 23:03.47 | hydrogen | marccollin: unless you want huge breakage |
| 23:03.51 | hydrogen | QMario_: konqueror! |
| 23:03.52 | Renze | QMario_: konqueror |
| 23:04.05 | slicslak | Renze, i suppose you don't know if i will lose my settings my upgrading to 2.0.2? |
| 23:04.06 | vesuv | It's not a better browser. |
| 23:04.09 | hydrogen | marccollin: use branches/kde/3.5/ if anything |
| 23:04.18 | Renze | slicslak: you won't lose anything |
| 23:04.21 | Captain_Redbeard | Oh... KDE4 is only in 1st dev snapshot >.< |
| 23:05.09 | Renze | vesuv: what channel are you in? ;) |
| 23:05.47 | PhilRod | hydrogen: marccollin is hoping to fix coding style issues as reported by englishbreakfastnetwork.org , so I guess trunk will be better |
| 23:06.02 | hydrogen | except that trunk is constantly changing |
| 23:06.07 | hydrogen | so fixing it doesn't help much right now :) |
| 23:06.12 | vesuv | Renze: It's not a big shame to face the facts |
| 23:06.28 | Renze | vesuv: what facts? |
| 23:06.31 | hydrogen | Renze: thats because konqueror gets preloaded and takes up space in memory before you start it by default |
| 23:06.41 | hydrogen | not that thats a bad thing |
| 23:06.44 | hydrogen | but thats why it loads so fast |
| 23:06.48 | Renze | hydrogen: small price to pay for having it pop up in less than a second :D |
| 23:06.50 | vesuv | Renze: Well, for starters that firefox is a better webbrowser. |
| 23:06.57 | Renze | vesuv: by whose standards? |
| 23:07.12 | Renze | vesuv: konqueror works flawlessly for every webpage I visit |
| 23:07.21 | vesuv | Renze: You visit, yep. |
| 23:07.24 | feindbild | vesuv: because Firefox emulates IE bugs better ? |
| 23:07.38 | Renze | vesuv: so why should I go with what other people consider to be better? |
| 23:08.07 | vesuv | Renze: I was talking about the big picture or, you may call it, a standard. |
| 23:08.08 | smileaf | feindbild: sadly if browsers can't emulate these bugs they are considered "bugs" to the end users. |
| 23:08.28 | Renze | vesuv: I couldn't give two sh!ts about the big picture. I use what is best for me, not for everybody else. |
| 23:08.33 | vesuv | And, if we look on the standard user, then Konqueror isn't the best choise. |
| 23:08.47 | Renze | and firefox is considerably less standards compliant than konqueror |
| 23:09.03 | Renze | "works with IE flaws" aren't standards |
| 23:09.21 | feindbild | smileaf: I wish for the day that browsers don't display any page that doesn't validate against it's DTD but instead prints a backtrace ... |
| 23:09.22 | vesuv | Renze: That's of course your choise to make and I didn't intended to put it the way, that you should use firefox. If you're ok wie Konq, sure, why not. |
| 23:09.50 | smileaf | hydrogen: actually that acid2 test doesn't test for a standards compliant.. but rather it checks that a browser isn't broken by coding flaws. |
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| 23:10.02 | Renze | vesuv: then stop proselytising |
| 23:10.02 | vesuv | hydrogen: Yeah, sure, Konq passed the acid2 test. Safari did to, but what does it really matter? |
| 23:10.04 | smileaf | feindbild: your not alone |
| 23:10.16 | hydrogen | vesuv: that it renders Css more compliantly than firefox |
| 23:10.33 | feindbild | smileaf: that would accelerate any browser by at least factor ten and shrink them to a few kb's ... |
| 23:10.37 | benJIman | vesuv: stating "Well, for starters that firefox is a better webbrowser." in a kde channel is unlikely to get you support |
| 23:10.38 | vesuv | Renze: I don't see why you're getting so angry. |
| 23:10.55 | Renze | vesuv: I am offended by anyone who forces their opinions on others |
| 23:10.57 | vesuv | Oh, well, I'm using KDE and I like it alot. |
| 23:11.01 | benJIman | PhilRod: s/ browser// |
| 23:11.04 | Theory | I would say passing acid2 demonstrates a commitment to correctly rendering css standards, and it is this demonstration of commitment that is important, more than the random bits of obscure css support it adds |
| 23:11.14 | Blissex | PhilRod: browser wars! browsers wars! Konqueror of course conquers :-) |
| 23:11.28 | vesuv | Renze: I didn't force my opinion on you, did I? |
| 23:11.36 | Renze | vesuv: you were trying |
| 23:11.38 | benJIman | or "No browser wars - we all know konqueror is the best" |
| 23:11.41 | Blissex | Theory: «correctly rendering css standards» is an imaginary idea. |
| 23:11.53 | vesuv | Renze: I was? By whos information? |
| 23:11.57 | Renze | yours |
| 23:12.09 | vesuv | Oh, well ... your informant is very good. |
| 23:12.12 | vesuv | :) |
| 23:12.19 | PhilRod | hrm, well I notice that it's not the same day it was when I woke up, and there's a browser war. All signs point to "it's time to sleep". G'night |
| 23:12.32 | Renze | vesuv: go grovel at the feet of the mozilla devs |
| 23:12.42 | Theory | Blissex: it is true there are cases where the specification is not completely explicit. But there are a lot of behaviours which are clearly correct or incorrect. |
| 23:13.11 | Blissex | Theory: sure, but that has little to do with ACID2. |
| 23:13.40 | Blissex | Theory: ACID2 may be a sign of commitment, but a not very useful commitment unfortunately. |
| 23:13.54 | XVampireX | Renze thinks that Gnome looks more like Windows than KDE does |
| 23:13.56 | Blissex | Theory: but then I notice that you are being true to your nickname :-) |
| 23:13.59 | vesuv | benJIman: For protocoll: I do use KDE as my main and only system, but I do use Firefox and I don't see why there is a problem in acknowleding the fact, that Firefox is good (if not the better browser). |
| 23:14.11 | feindbild | Blissex: why is that ? I find it useful .... |
| 23:14.15 | vesuv | Never been the guy for these kind of silly wars. |
| 23:14.17 | benJIman | vesuv: because konqueror is better in my opinion, and many others |
| 23:14.19 | vesuv | That's all. |
| 23:14.38 | Blissex | vesuv: Firefox is pretty good, but Konqueror is at last OK and integrates a lot better. |
| 23:14.41 | vesuv | benJIman: Well, I guess, there are more people who would tell you the same about IE. ,) |
| 23:14.43 | Renze | vesuv: because although ff may be good, there is no evidence for, and some evidence against that it is a better browser |
| 23:14.57 | Blissex | feindbild: because as usual de facto standards matter more than theoretical ones. |
| 23:15.10 | Blissex | feindbild: in practice the CSS standard is defined by Firefox... |
| 23:15.22 | vesuv | Ok, we probably should define "better" for a further discussion. |
| 23:15.24 | benJIman | vesuv: but konqueror is faster, more standards compliant, renders better, integrates with desktop, better functionality out of the box etc |
| 23:15.52 | vesuv | Better as in more sophisticated or better as in ...? |
| 23:15.54 | Blissex | Renze: vesuv: but Firefox and Konqueror are not so far that their relative position is easy to defined. |
| 23:15.55 | feindbild | Blissex: in standard CSS is defined by IE because everybody uses invalid CSS to make it work in IE and because IE has nearly no CSS support ... |
| 23:16.19 | Blissex | feindbild: well, that is a bit of an extreme surrender... |
| 23:16.21 | Renze | Blissex: true, so it is up to the individual, and not popular opinion, to decide :) |
| 23:16.45 | vesuv | Sure, if we close our eyes it all goes away. ,) |
| 23:16.47 | Blissex | Renze: indeed. |
| 23:17.17 | feindbild | Blissex: weren' |
| 23:17.47 | feindbild | Blissex: weren't you advocating defacto standards a moment ago ? everything MS releases is a defacto-standard ... |
| 23:17.50 | Blissex | I think that Konqueror, Firefox and Opera are broadly equivalent in quality. Then other factors weigh in: Konqueror integrates a lot better, Firefox has cool extension and better bookmark handling, Opera is much faster. |
| 23:18.12 | Blissex | feindbild: I was mentioning de facto standards for CSS, not for its mangled betrayal :-) |
| 23:18.20 | vesuv | I wasn't under the impression, that Opera was faster then Konqueror. |
| 23:18.29 | vesuv | Actually, I think it's the other way around. |
| 23:18.39 | hydrogen | opera is much faster |
| 23:18.49 | Blissex | vesuv: not when freshly loaded. But after a while Konqueror grows and slows, Opera stays more or less the same. |
| 23:18.57 | vesuv | Ok, maybe I should test this some time in the near future. |
| 23:19.11 | vesuv | Blissex: Ok, that may be the case. |
| 23:19.18 | Renze | opera does aggressive caching |
| 23:19.23 | vesuv | Didn't make a longer test. |
| 23:20.00 | Blissex | my per peeve about Konqueror is that the buy who maintains KEditBookmarks has decided that it should not support more than a few dozen/hundred bookmarks. |
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| 23:20.38 | Renze | Blissex: in all honesty, I can't imagine having more than a few dozen/hundred bookmarks :) |
| 23:21.03 | Blissex | Renze: I have got 6,000 and many people more. |
| 23:21.15 | Renze | ouch |
| 23:21.19 | vesuv | Could somebody give me a suggestion for a good, small video editing tool? Pref. not GTK. |
| 23:21.29 | Blissex | Renze: I got links to compsci articles, manual pages, etc. |
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| 23:21.40 | Theory | kino (gtk) and cinelerra are the most widely used ones |
| 23:21.41 | Renze | Blissex: so do I... but not *that* many :) |
| 23:21.46 | vesuv | The main factor is small, because I don't want to use Cinelera all the time. |
| 23:21.51 | Blissex | Renze: a catalog of useful programs, etc. |
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| 23:22.06 | vesuv | Theory: I did emerge Kino a few minutes ago. |
| 23:22.28 | Blissex | Renze: well 6,000 links over a dozen years... |
| 23:22.49 | Renze | Blissex: you should clean out your bookmarks sometime... I clean them out at least once a year :) |
| 23:22.50 | Theory | my view remains that the whole bookmark concept is broken :-) |
| 23:23.00 | vesuv | ack |
| 23:23.05 | Renze | Theory: do you have a concept you would replace it with? |
| 23:23.25 | Blissex | Renze: in any case it is a 1.7MiB file, and it gets saved by KEditBookmarks every time a bookmark is added/edited/moved/modified, which means about a 10 sec delay. |
| 23:23.29 | Theory | 100% history memory with full text search and tagging of history items would be a good start :-) |
| 23:23.47 | vesuv | In theory, you mean ... ;) |
| 23:23.58 | Blissex | Theory: the last thing we want is an uncensored browsing history :-) |
| 23:24.13 | Theory | hehe |
| 23:24.31 | Theory | safari has a 'private browsing' mode for this |
| 23:24.37 | vesuv | Why? Aren't you guys sharing all your bookmarks on del.icio.us? |
| 23:24.51 | hydrogen | no thanks |
| 23:25.01 | vesuv | I'm kidding. |
| 23:25.03 | vesuv | Really. |
| 23:25.44 | vesuv | Ok, this whole importing a .avi thing that Kino is doing right now, isn't working very well for me. |
| 23:25.57 | feindbild | ... KDE's image cache is a bit slow ... loading an image is sometimes as fast as retrieving it from the cache .... thats about the only grieve i have with konqi ^^ |
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| 23:26.15 | vesuv | I guess, I could use mencoder in Konsole mode, but that's just isn't something I like |
| 23:28.01 | smileaf | vesuv: even tho it is gtk. . avidemux is a very nice avi program. |
| 23:28.36 | smileaf | I hate using gtk apps.. but I will when there isn't a better alternative. |
| 23:28.49 | vesuv | Yeah, sure. |
| 23:28.58 | Renze | I use whatever works for the job I need to do |
| 23:29.13 | Theory | there is talk of a kde video app akin to kino, not coded yet though |
| 23:29.39 | XVampireX | so |
| 23:29.40 | vesuv | audiomux is reminding me of an app, I used on Windows |
| 23:29.44 | vesuv | mhh. |
| 23:29.49 | smileaf | vesuv: virtual dub? |
| 23:29.55 | vesuv | yeah |
| 23:33.39 | vesuv | exactly |
| 23:33.49 | XVampireX | wouldn't this place better be called #gentoo since all of you use gentoo? |
| 23:33.59 | smileaf | practically a clone IMO |
| 23:34.40 | XVampireX | or #gentoo-kde |
| 23:35.06 | XVampireX | or #gentookde |
| 23:35.21 | Theory | XVampireX: slander! |
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| 23:36.16 | vesuv | smileaf: that would be great. |
| 23:37.08 | XVampireX | I don't know :-/ |
| 23:38.20 | smileaf | XVampireX: only 1 of my 3 currently running systems use gentoo =p |
| 23:38.36 | Theory | (you would never have guessed I use debian would you? :-p) |
| 23:45.17 | smileaf | you'd all never guess what my laptop runs =p |
| 23:46.21 | Renze | smileaf: Plan9? :) |
| 23:46.40 | smileaf | Renze: no |
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| 23:48.29 | feindbild | Hurd? |
| 23:50.25 | vesuv | Mh, if there would be a possibility, I probably would try to edit the newest movie we made with Cinelerra, but since I don't have the hdd space for an HDV import, I guess, it's still going to be Final Cut Pro. |
| 23:50.52 | smileaf | feindbild: no |
| 23:51.22 | Tonglebeak | is there anyway to have kate open up entire directories recursively? |
| 23:53.24 | Renze | smileaf: SCO UNIX? :D |
| 23:54.16 | smileaf | Renze: hell no |
| 23:55.33 | feindbild | Minix maybe ? |
