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| 00:12.43 | niskel | KDE is haveing trouble resolving hostnames. Other non-KDE apps are fine. Does anyone know how I can fix this? |
| 00:13.38 | rr73 | bashing windows usually helps me |
| 00:13.40 | rr73 | or gnome |
| 00:13.45 | MinceR | lol |
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| 00:15.34 | niskel | KDE is able to resolve host names /sometimes/ just not often or consistantly, even for the same name. |
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| 00:23.56 | stoned | NP: Psycroptic -|- The Scepter Of The Ancients -|- " Psycrology " -|- (Technical Death Metal) -|- (rating: 10/74) |
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| 00:27.07 | SMiLeaf | geez... yes ktorrent *IS* fast... |
| 00:27.26 | SMiLeaf | clicked start and BOOM 30+kb/s |
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| 00:31.38 | SMiLeaf | wish you could rename the files/directory of the files/dir your downloading. |
| 00:31.56 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: you can |
| 00:31.59 | stoned | thats not ktorrent magic |
| 00:32.16 | stoned | if you got seeders and lots of leechers, the torrent will be fast no matter what |
| 00:32.18 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: simple stop the download, delete the .part, rename, start the download! |
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| 00:32.53 | SMiLeaf | Sutoka: I'd rather have it be ktorrent gui thing. |
| 00:33.24 | stoned | I wish ktorrent wouldn't do what it does |
| 00:33.25 | stoned | :( |
| 00:33.28 | SMiLeaf | plus the torrent shouldn't be deleted unless the adding was finalized. |
| 00:33.42 | MinceR | wish it could function without a gui |
| 00:33.44 | Sutoka | stoned: what don't you like about ktorrent? |
| 00:33.54 | SMiLeaf | stoned: no.. normally it takes a few seconds or more to get going. |
| 00:34.34 | stoned | it saves files somewhere, then moves them to where you specified earlier |
| 00:34.37 | SMiLeaf | this was a "I'm now connected to 10+ people" as soon as I hit start. |
| 00:34.38 | stoned | whats this .part file |
| 00:34.50 | stoned | I mean, I want to save directly to where I saved it |
| 00:35.01 | SMiLeaf | stoned: didn't do that here.. it created symlinks in it's cache dir. |
| 00:35.04 | Renze | stoned: um, not since 2.0 |
| 00:35.06 | stoned | and be able to apply finish file allocation even though the file isnt downloaded yet |
| 00:35.26 | stoned | oh word |
| 00:35.38 | Sutoka | stoned: its not doing that for me with 2.0.x |
| 00:36.01 | stoned | no wonder |
| 00:36.13 | stoned | debian sid has only 1.2 |
| 00:36.28 | Sutoka | though yeah that was annoying in the past, i would save them outside of my ~ to another partition (so when it finished it had to copy the file from / to /mnt/blah... |
| 00:36.47 | Sutoka | 2.0+ is a LOT better than 1.2 |
| 00:36.55 | stoned | so I hear... |
| 00:37.23 | stoned | why the hell is it not in sid |
| 00:37.34 | stoned | I mean, sid is usually very current |
| 00:37.42 | stoned | how long has 2.0k been out |
| 00:37.46 | stoned | -k |
| 00:37.51 | Renze | a couple of months |
| 00:37.58 | stoned | well i'll be damned |
| 00:38.05 | stoned | I wonder if my system mutated to etch |
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| 00:38.21 | stoned | well i'll be damned |
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| 00:38.26 | SMiLeaf | so far I'm impressed with 2.0.2 |
| 00:38.27 | stoned | ~ktorrent |
| 00:38.29 | apt | from memory, ktorrent is at http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/ |
| 00:38.56 | stoned | hey cool |
| 00:38.59 | stoned | sid package |
| 00:39.01 | stoned | word |
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| 00:39.09 | Sutoka | yeah, they fixed the bugs with DHT and/or encryption (caused ktorrent's gui to become INCREDIBLY unresponsive and it couldn't be shut down cleanly) |
| 00:39.37 | SMiLeaf | I'm not too thrilled with the dialog for checking chucks.. nor the other issue I found and the lack of that feature I mentioned earlier.. but it's come a LONG way since I last tried it out. |
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| 00:40.02 | Sutoka | the "Check Data Integrity" dialog? |
| 00:40.12 | SMiLeaf | "Scanning Data" one. |
| 00:40.29 | SMiLeaf | it's when you add something and it finds existing data. |
| 00:40.41 | Sutoka | ah i've not tried that |
| 00:40.43 | SMiLeaf | I'd rather it be added and do that in the background. |
| 00:41.18 | Sutoka | its probably the same dialog is the checking data integrity one |
| 00:41.27 | Sutoka | it would make sense to add it to the status dialog or something |
| 00:41.36 | SMiLeaf | yah |
| 00:41.52 | Sutoka | like reuse the 'chunks' progress bar thingy instead |
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| 00:42.15 | SMiLeaf | cuz when you have a 8G torrent... it's kinda annoying that you can't interact with ktorrent until it's done checking :) |
| 00:42.16 | Sutoka | yes... that is old news |
| 00:42.28 | Sutoka | heh yeah |
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| 00:42.34 | Sutoka | i just manually ran it |
| 00:42.44 | Sutoka | though if you manually run it you can just cancel it |
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| 00:43.11 | SMiLeaf | Oh well.. bug reporting time ! :D |
| 00:43.19 | Sutoka | i hear in the next version of ktorrent you're gonna be able to have multiple search tabs |
| 00:45.03 | SMiLeaf | wouldn't mind them merging the download and upload tabs together and getting rid of that tabbed interface all together :) |
| 00:45.19 | Sutoka | the search tab is pretty nice for finding stuff |
| 00:45.37 | SMiLeaf | I get all my torrents off of RSS |
| 00:45.58 | Sutoka | maybe there should be a RSS feed plugin for ktorrent... |
| 00:46.18 | Sutoka | i.e. you give it a list of RSS feeds, and it'll automatically download them |
| 00:46.38 | Sutoka | or just show you the list and let you decide |
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| 00:53.47 | Shirakawasuna | this is linux - automate it :) |
| 00:54.22 | Shirakawasuna | write a script to update your rss feed, tail/grep it, send the output to rtorrent |
| 00:55.16 | qupada | heh. i'll write it for you, if you buy me the oscilliscope i want |
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| 00:56.08 | Sutoka | rss --update | torrent --auto | mplayer |
| 00:56.13 | Sutoka | i wanna be able to do that one day... |
| 00:56.54 | qupada | heh... you want to until some day when someone else is using your machine right when your pr0n finishes downloading |
| 00:57.01 | qupada | then you probably won't want to any more |
| 00:57.18 | Sutoka | hm... |
| 00:57.25 | Sutoka | rss --update | torrent --auto | mplayer & chvt 12 |
| 00:57.37 | Sutoka | now they will only hear it... :-/ |
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| 00:58.07 | qupada | mplayer -nosound |
| 00:58.21 | Sutoka | rss --update | torrent --auto > /dev/shm/torrentz |
| 00:58.49 | i_is_cat | mplayer is great |
| 00:58.54 | i_is_cat | i just personally prefer xine |
| 00:58.56 | qupada | xine is cooler |
| 00:59.02 | qupada | and it has a cooler name, to boot |
| 00:59.18 | MinceR | xine ftw |
| 00:59.36 | i_is_cat | what plays ogm files btw? |
| 00:59.44 | qupada | either will |
| 00:59.55 | qupada | or should |
| 01:00.11 | i_is_cat | well its weird cuz alost everything plays |
| 01:00.16 | qupada | xine has some slight hiccups with the mkv container, but it handles ogm better than mplayer |
| 01:00.16 | i_is_cat | but there are a few files that just wont |
| 01:00.29 | Sutoka | xine, kaffeine, mplayer, g.... CRAP ALL I CAN THINK OF IS GSTRING! stupid kde-devel channel! |
| 01:01.05 | Sutoka | gstreamer! there we go |
| 01:01.17 | i_is_cat | i'm thinking theres an issue with my codecs |
| 01:01.19 | Sutoka | yeah i kinda mixed and matched those... |
| 01:01.31 | Sutoka | or your videos |
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| 01:01.39 | Sutoka | i've not had any problems with mkv before |
| 01:01.41 | i_is_cat | nope |
| 01:01.44 | i_is_cat | not the videos |
| 01:01.58 | Sutoka | maybe its your eyes? |
| 01:02.02 | i_is_cat | i managed to get em to work by copying em to usb key and opening on a different distro |
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| 01:02.18 | qupada | Sutoka: it's just with chapter support in mkv xine struggles, it plays the video just fine |
| 01:02.34 | Sutoka | i've never used the chapter support |
| 01:02.36 | i_is_cat | also dvds dont work which is weird |
| 01:02.56 | Sutoka | make sure you have the libdvd* thingies |
| 01:03.07 | Renze | libdvdcss is kinda important |
| 01:03.11 | i_is_cat | yep i followed all the instructions |
| 01:03.15 | i_is_cat | and have libdvdcss |
| 01:03.45 | qupada | Sutoka: it's good for stuff like live music encoded from dvds. with an ogm file xine even displays the name of the chapter in the transport window, but doesn't seem to acknowledge the presence of chapters in the mkv file at all |
| 01:03.54 | i_is_cat | right now its not an issue because i slapped the dvd burner in a different box |
| 01:03.59 | i_is_cat | but it was pretty annoying |
| 01:04.07 | i_is_cat | it tried to play but shit its pants |
| 01:04.13 | i_is_cat | err excuse the language |
| 01:04.14 | i_is_cat | sorry |
| 01:04.15 | i_is_cat | :/ |
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| 01:05.19 | qupada | i've never once had a problem with playing dvds in xine. what is the actual error you get? |
| 01:05.44 | Sutoka | i_is_cat: this channel is grayscale only, no colorful language! ;-) |
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| 01:05.58 | i_is_cat | well like i said i took the dvd burner out so its not an issue and i dont remember the error :/ |
| 01:06.17 | i_is_cat | but when i get another one to throw in here i will let ya know if i have it |
| 01:06.18 | Sutoka | qupada: the error was it was a cd burner |
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| 01:08.14 | i_is_cat | hey heres a question |
| 01:08.35 | SMiLeaf | wow.... the 9G torrent checked it's data quicker than this 1G torrent... |
| 01:08.49 | i_is_cat | i saw theres an avg antivirus for linux and i dont want to get into a debate about which antivirus is better i just wanna know has anyone had experience with getting a virus on linux? |
| 01:09.26 | SMiLeaf | I have 6 virus' on my computer :) |
| 01:09.27 | i_is_cat | i've been using linux as my desktop os for 6yrs but never really took the time to be hardcore i get it to do what i need it to do and leave it like that |
| 01:09.29 | Shirakawasuna | SMiLeaf: I still like it better than azureus |
| 01:09.53 | SMiLeaf | Shirakawasuna: anything is better than azureus.. those bug reports are 3 feature requests and 1 bug :) |
| 01:09.59 | Sutoka | i_is_cat: never one on *nix |
| 01:10.02 | i_is_cat | SMiLeaf, ok but are they actually doing what they are intended to do as virii? or just sitting there dormant? |
| 01:10.12 | qupada | i_is_cat: as far as i can tell from their website, it's just like clamav |
| 01:10.22 | Shirakawasuna | SMiLeaf: cool. I'm hoping as much as possible is ported to KDE 4 as fast as possible :) |
| 01:10.23 | SMiLeaf | they are all located in ~/Programs/Win32/Virus :D |
| 01:10.24 | qupada | designed to be used on a mailserver to stop windows clients from getting virii |
| 01:10.32 | i_is_cat | Sutoka, thats cool i've never run a scanner before but i dont think i have had one |
| 01:10.38 | Shirakawasuna | s/KDE4/Qt4 |
| 01:11.02 | Shirakawasuna | nothing allows enough ram for azureus to run comfortably |
| 01:11.05 | Shirakawasuna | it's @#$@#'ing huge |
| 01:11.44 | Theory | The US military has just commissioned a new petaflop supercomputer in the hopes it will be able to run azureus properly haven't then? ;-) |
| 01:11.45 | SMiLeaf | i_is_cat: my virus collection hasn't grown at all.. you have any idea how hard it is to collect virus' when running linux? :( |
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| 01:12.05 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: i got a virus in my email a few months back |
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| 01:12.14 | Shirakawasuna | Theory: nah, that's not quite enough |
| 01:12.20 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: i got really excited and saved it and started looking at it with khexedit |
| 01:12.23 | SMiLeaf | Sutoka: I use to get them all the time then they've just stopped :( |
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| 01:12.40 | Sutoka | i mostly just get a $%^&%^*$%^$ load of spam |
| 01:12.41 | i_is_cat | SMiLeaf, thats pretty much what i figured |
| 01:12.44 | SMiLeaf | Sutoka: care to share it? :D |
| 01:12.49 | Theory | I guess if you run wine... |
| 01:13.19 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: i dare not open up kmail anymore... i don't wanna have to go through my spam (i used to run multiple antispam software... but it was taking so long to actually go through all of them i just really gave up on email) |
| 01:13.43 | Theory | Sutoka: time to get a new email addr? :-) |
| 01:13.50 | SMiLeaf | I have kmail to auto-scan my emails and delete them. |
| 01:14.13 | SMiLeaf | which is probably why I've not gotten a new virus in a while :( |
| 01:14.20 | Sutoka | Theory: its all going to my domain, stupid spam bots sending to like marketing@domain, admin@domain, etc |
| 01:14.31 | Theory | ah |
| 01:14.37 | SMiLeaf | root@domain |
| 01:14.40 | Theory | time to start forwarding things to /dev/null :-) |
| 01:15.02 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: i don't have it delete them, i don't wanna risk it having a false positive (i only get like 1 legit email a month at most) |
| 01:15.17 | Theory | (I use a domain and give out unique addresses to everyone, once an address starts getting spam, it gets redirected to /dev/null) |
| 01:15.19 | rr73 | cat EnglishPaper > /dev/null |
| 01:15.41 | SMiLeaf | Sutoka: so far spamassassin has been very accurate.. I don't have it perm. delete them.. but they are sent to my trash. |
| 01:15.44 | Shirakawasuna | Sutoka: You could always do some widesweeping domain blocking |
| 01:15.45 | Sutoka | Theory: when ever i register for something i just do addressofwebsite@mydomain |
| 01:16.15 | Sutoka | i like doing that because then i can tell whos a SOB and sells my email and know to hate them |
| 01:16.37 | Renze | I get maybe one spam a month |
| 01:16.52 | Theory | I get maybe one a month that isn't caught |
| 01:17.10 | Sutoka | i get maybe one a month that isn't spam |
| 01:17.26 | Theory | Sutoka: you need to subscribe to more mailing lists man :- |
| 01:17.29 | Renze | Sutoka: make spamburgers |
| 01:17.33 | SMiLeaf | I have 15 spam emails in my trash after ~10 hours :) |
| 01:17.57 | SMiLeaf | I've not exactly hid my email address or anything tho. |
| 01:17.59 | Sutoka | Theory: i used to... but then i ended up with nearly 1k unread email messages in a folder from that mailing list |
| 01:18.18 | Sutoka | amazingly i've never gotten a single spam email on my gmail account (which i've never used) |
| 01:18.29 | Shirakawasuna | same here :) |
| 01:18.30 | SMiLeaf | Sutoka: maybe that's why. |
| 01:18.46 | Shirakawasuna | actually my UW acount gets about 5 spam messages per day |
| 01:19.10 | Shirakawasuna | I had spam in that account before I even opened it for the first time |
| 01:19.14 | Shirakawasuna | UW = morons |
| 01:19.32 | Sutoka | UW = ? |
| 01:19.39 | Renze | university of wisconsin? |
| 01:19.56 | SMiLeaf | I remember back in HS I signed up for a hotmail account... I signed into it as soon as I had finished. and I had about 100 spam emails. |
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| 01:20.15 | marccollin | hi |
| 01:20.15 | Shirakawasuna | university of washington |
| 01:20.31 | marccollin | does qt designer have a component to display svg image? |
| 01:20.58 | SMiLeaf | I think Qt4 included support for svg but I'm not 100% |
| 01:21.37 | marccollin | ya i read something like that too.... |
| 01:22.01 | SMiLeaf | so I'd assume it'd be in the standard QImage. |
| 01:22.04 | Sutoka | i know Qt4 supports SVGs, but not sure if you can use them directly in designer |
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| 01:23.15 | SMiLeaf | I need to get into Qt4 development... |
| 01:23.53 | Sutoka | i don't think Qt 4.1 does directly in designer at least... |
| 01:23.57 | SMiLeaf | thing is I have nothing to work on atm. |
| 01:24.13 | Sutoka | i just tried to make an svg image and it wasn't showing any svgs in the file dialog... |
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| 01:25.21 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: you have a RC at most |
| 01:25.29 | SMiLeaf | yep :) |
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| 01:25.49 | SMiLeaf | and where is my image widget! |
| 01:25.51 | Sutoka | i haven't bothered to compile any 4.2 yet... i should so i can test out QGraphicsView |
| 01:25.58 | marccollin | how to add voice language to festival |
| 01:26.06 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: yeah there isn't one in designer... gotta use a qlabel |
| 01:26.26 | SMiLeaf | Qlabel? |
| 01:26.46 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: yeah, then set a piximap |
| 01:27.02 | SMiLeaf | Oh.. for some reason I was thinking that was only for text. |
| 01:28.51 | SMiLeaf | I certainly hope they fix up that find icon dialog before they release it.. |
| 01:28.56 | SMiLeaf | "Parent directory"? |
| 01:29.03 | SMiLeaf | what's with that button. |
| 01:29.05 | SMiLeaf | lol |
| 01:29.13 | SMiLeaf | use the icon. |
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| 01:29.29 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: its a directory listing of the parents in your local neighborhood |
| 01:30.19 | SMiLeaf | no I was looking for the standard parent directory icon button.. |
| 01:30.38 | SMiLeaf | had to stop and actually read what I was looking at.. lol |
| 01:32.01 | SMiLeaf | nope.. don't see any svgs here either |
| 01:33.27 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: 'locate .svg' |
| 01:33.50 | SMiLeaf | Sutoka: no the dialog couldn't see them. wouldn't even let me open it. |
| 01:34.09 | SMiLeaf | I pasted in the file path and it wouldn't let me. |
| 01:34.49 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qsvgwidget.html#details |
| 01:35.10 | Sutoka | "This class enables developers to display SVG drawings alongside standard widgets, and is used in much the same way as QLabel is used for displaying text and bitmap images." |
| 01:35.17 | Sutoka | looks like qlabel is only for bitmaps... |
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| 01:36.09 | Sutoka | qsvgrenderer CAN paint to any qpaintdevice though |
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| 01:36.52 | dantehman | hey can some1 help me |
| 01:37.00 | Jaywalker | Um... I just updated to the latest version of 3.5 from the old 3.5.0 and any GTK app returns "segmentation fault"... Any ideas? |
| 01:37.39 | Sutoka | dantehman: no need to ask permission |
| 01:37.40 | SMiLeaf | sounds like you upgraded something other than just KDE that caused it. |
| 01:37.44 | dantehman | ok |
| 01:38.00 | Jaywalker | SMiLeaf: It only occured after that. |
| 01:38.09 | dantehman | my kde doesnt fit my screen |
| 01:38.09 | SMiLeaf | funniest question I've heard is "Can I ask a question?" |
| 01:38.21 | Sutoka | Jaywalker: are you using the gtk-qt theme engine? |
| 01:38.31 | SMiLeaf | Jaywalker: yes but that doesn't mean something other than KDE was upgraded. |
| 01:38.33 | dantehman | even when i change resoultion it doesnt fit |
| 01:38.42 | Jaywalker | All of my GTK apps are applied to the QT theme if that's what you mean |
| 01:38.47 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: the answer to that is 'yes, and you just did now so be quiet' |
| 01:38.56 | Sutoka | Jaywalker: what distro are you using? |
| 01:39.02 | Jaywalker | SUSE 10.0 |
| 01:39.02 | SMiLeaf | Jaywalker: KDE has absolutely nothing with GTK. |
| 01:39.06 | Sutoka | dantehman: what exactly do you mean 'doesn't fit'? |
| 01:39.15 | dantehman | and in order to see the other part of the screen i have to put my mouse and then it scrolls |
| 01:39.24 | Sutoka | dantehman: thats an Xorg thingie |
| 01:39.27 | SMiLeaf | dantehman: sounds like an X thing. |
| 01:39.28 | dantehman | when i put my mouse at the edge of the screen |
| 01:39.39 | dantehman | how do i fix it |
| 01:39.42 | Sutoka | dantehman: your in zoom mode |
| 01:39.55 | dantehman | do you know what menu to go to |
| 01:40.00 | Jaywalker | SMiLeaf: ...KDE controls the GTK apps... |
| 01:40.04 | SMiLeaf | dantehman: it basically means your card can't handle the resolution so X failed back on that. |
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| 01:40.09 | SMiLeaf | Jaywalker: umm.. not even close. |
| 01:40.09 | Sutoka | dantehman: i think you need to edit your xorg.conf file |
| 01:40.10 | Jaywalker | and after i updated, i logged out.... and it didn't work. |
| 01:40.36 | Jaywalker | SMiLeaf: .... Wow... a 'window manager' such as KDE is controls all active window processes |
| 01:40.37 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: hes using the gtk-qt theme engine, so qt is painting the gtk apps (which could be causing the seg faults) |
| 01:40.47 | SMiLeaf | Jaywalker: it has nothing to do with GTK.. it uses no GTK code at all... heck you don't even need GTK installed to run KDE. |
| 01:41.03 | SMiLeaf | Sutoka: still not a KDE issue.. it's a GTK-Qt thing. |
| 01:41.07 | Jaywalker | I know this.... but you see, KDE must still call the GTK stuff. |
| 01:41.36 | Sutoka | Jaywalker: other way around with the gtk-qt stuff, gtk calls the qt stuff |
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| 01:42.22 | dantehman12321 | sorry about that |
| 01:42.28 | dantehman12321 | i got disconnected |
| 01:42.40 | SMiLeaf | [20:40] <SMiLeaf> dantehman: it basically means your card can't handle the resolution so X failed back on that. |
| 01:42.43 | Jaywalker | Sutoka: What do you recomend if a reinstall of GTK-Qt doesn't work? |
| 01:42.54 | dantehman12321 | im not getting any errors |
| 01:42.57 | dantehman12321 | ok |
| 01:43.09 | SMiLeaf | dantehman12321: it also could be that it was configured that way somehow. but I doubt you did that :) |
| 01:43.12 | Sutoka | Jaywalker: asking in #opensuse ;-) |
| 01:43.17 | dantehman12321 | is there a command to get the orginial xorg.conf |
| 01:43.23 | SMiLeaf | dantehman12321: since when does X visually report errors? ;) |
| 01:43.24 | dantehman12321 | no i have edited it before |
| 01:43.28 | dantehman12321 | ahha |
| 01:43.30 | Jaywalker | Lol, alright. |
| 01:43.31 | Jaywalker | thanks. |
| 01:44.21 | SMiLeaf | dantehman12321: /var/log/Xorg.0.log that should have it in it. |
| 01:44.38 | dantehman12321 | k ill check it out hold on |
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| 01:46.18 | SMiLeaf | dantehman12321: pastebin it if you want and I'll look at it. I gotta go for a few minutes but I'll be back :) |
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| 01:46.59 | dantehman12321 | what is pastebin |
| 01:47.48 | dantehman12321 | (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom |
| 01:47.56 | dantehman12321 | maybe thats error? |
| 01:48.43 | Sutoka | dantehman12321: http://rafb.net/paste <-- paste your error/output/info there and then paste the link here |
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| 01:51.15 | dantehman12321 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/CiP6lk24.htm |
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| 01:57.03 | dantehman12321 | smileaf are u back yet |
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| 02:04.17 | SMiLeaf | dantehman12321: yep.. not dead yet. |
| 02:06.55 | dantehman12321 | ok |
| 02:06.57 | SMiLeaf | (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1440 x 960 |
| 02:07.11 | dantehman12321 | oh cool u got the link |
| 02:07.25 | SMiLeaf | link didn't work for some reason but I found your post. |
| 02:07.36 | dantehman12321 | ok lol |
| 02:07.51 | SMiLeaf | that the resolution you wanted it at? 1440x960? |
| 02:07.58 | dantehman12321 | i dont know... |
| 02:08.09 | SMiLeaf | lol |
| 02:08.32 | dantehman12321 | i just ran this thing called dexconfig or something |
| 02:09.00 | SMiLeaf | open krandrtray and change it to something else. see if that fixes anything. |
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| 02:09.34 | dantehman12321 | where is that located? |
| 02:09.47 | SMiLeaf | menu -> system |
| 02:10.11 | dantehman12321 | its not there |
| 02:10.12 | ironfroggy | how can i get kopete to continually auto-reconnect when the connection drops, and to not complain about losts connections? |
| 02:10.43 | dantehman12321 | what about kinfocenter? |
| 02:11.12 | SMiLeaf | Ok how about kcontrol -> Peripherals -> Display |
| 02:11.25 | Sutoka | ironfroggy: don't believe you can |
| 02:11.26 | ironfroggy | or rather, should i ask if i can even do that in the first place? |
| 02:11.30 | ironfroggy | :-/ |
| 02:11.37 | ironfroggy | can i do any one of the parts of what i asked? |
| 02:11.50 | SMiLeaf | ironfroggy: I'm sure they'll accept a patch if you fix/add that :) |
| 02:11.53 | Sutoka | ironfroggy: i don't think so |
| 02:12.14 | ironfroggy | i thought there was a plugin that did reconnecting, but i dont see it |
| 02:12.17 | dantehman12321 | yeah... thats not there either |
| 02:12.24 | Sutoka | ironfroggy: the 'connection status' plugin MAY be able to do it somewhat (im not sure though, its never done anything for me) |
| 02:12.41 | dantehman12321 | do you think its because i had ubuntu and i updraded from GNOME? |
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| 02:12.57 | SMiLeaf | dantehman12321: would you quit being difficult.. lol.. hmmm well we could always edit the main file then :) |
| 02:13.05 | dantehman12321 | ahha |
| 02:13.13 | dantehman12321 | the xorg.conf? |
| 02:13.18 | ironfroggy | Sutoka: how would i get that? |
| 02:13.22 | dantehman12321 | wait what do u need to find out |
| 02:13.24 | Sutoka | SMiLeaf: 'upgraded from GNOME' :-D |
| 02:13.27 | SMiLeaf | Oh... ubuntu... no wonder you can't find any of this stuff -.-; |
| 02:13.35 | Sutoka | ironfroggy: it should be included with kopete |
| 02:13.36 | dantehman12321 | yeah... |
| 02:13.45 | mactek | heheh |
| 02:13.54 | Sutoka | ironfroggy: settings -> Configure Plugins |
| 02:13.57 | ironfroggy | ok, i see it. um, what does it do, because it doesnt say anything about it. |
| 02:14.03 | Sutoka | ironfroggy: im not exactly sure what it does though since it doesn't say anything |
| 02:14.04 | dantehman12321 | i found "X-Server" under KinfoCenter |
| 02:14.31 | SMiLeaf | dantehman12321: that only views stuff it doesn't let you change anything. |
| 02:14.38 | dantehman12321 | ok |
| 02:14.55 | dantehman12321 | cant u hold on just one second im gonna restart x to see what happens |
| 02:15.09 | dantehman12321 | ok brb |
| 02:15.12 | SMiLeaf | can you run the command kcontrol and see if that brings up the real kcontrol center? :) |
| 02:15.17 | dantehman12321 | ok |
| 02:15.53 | dantehman12321 | ok it says it already running and opened my other window |
| 02:16.37 | dantehman12321 | ok hold on one sec im gonna restart X |
| 02:16.40 | SMiLeaf | k |
| 02:20.16 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | SMiLeaf: BLASPHEMY! |
| 02:20.42 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | SMiLeaf: http://www.trolltech.com/company/newsroom/press-kit/qt4dance |
| 02:20.44 | qupada | SMiLeaf: be glad |
| 02:20.47 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | download the video |
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| 02:23.02 | SMiLeaf | lol |
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| 02:23.15 | dantehman | damn!!!! it didnt work!!!! |
| 02:27.08 | SMiLeaf | wow.. now those are true geeks. |
| 02:28.10 | dantehman | haha |
| 02:28.11 | Theory | hmm |
| 02:28.20 | dantehman | what is trolltech? |
| 02:28.22 | Theory | fflashmob + Qt4 dance = pr stunt? :-p |
| 02:28.43 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | trolltech is the developers behind Qt (KDE relies MASSIVELY on Qt) |
| 02:29.03 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | they develop Qt and Qtopia |
| 02:29.26 | dantehman | oh |
| 02:30.02 | ironfroggy | are there any decent KDE apps for managing podcasts? |
| 02:30.07 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | i should make a game where you get to do the Qt4 dance... |
| 02:30.25 | mactek | ironfroggy: there is, have a looksee on kde-apps |
| 02:30.29 | mactek | II can't remember the name of it |
| 02:30.59 | mactek | hahah konversation is in darwinports |
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| 02:31.55 | ironfroggy | do most of them have any ability to remember what you havent listened to yet and build playlists of un-listened tracks to fit a certain total file size for fitting onto a mp3 player? |
| 02:32.31 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | ironfroggy: if you're not wanting to make them, and you're doing audio podcasts amarok is pretty nice |
| 02:32.41 | ironfroggy | the only thing i see on kde-apps are amarok extensions |
| 02:32.58 | ironfroggy | i dont want to listen sitting at my desk |
| 02:33.18 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | amarok can sync with mp3 players |
| 02:33.32 | ironfroggy | but can i use it to track which ive listened to? |
| 02:33.57 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | which you've listened to on your mp3 player? |
| 02:34.17 | ironfroggy | yes |
| 02:34.29 | ironfroggy | or rather, which ive moved to my mp3 player and it can assume ive listened to them. |
| 02:34.53 | ironfroggy | i only have a little 128 meg player, so i cant just move everything new over and listen to it |
| 02:34.59 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | iirc it will remember what you've synced |
| 02:36.35 | SMiLeaf | Sutoka|Qt4Dance: that music video was crazy X.x; |
| 02:36.57 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | SMiLeaf: i've watched it like 6 times over the last 2 days |
| 02:37.11 | qupada | i watched it once and that was quite enough... for all time |
| 02:37.11 | SMiLeaf | Sutoka|Qt4Dance: you got the steps down yet? =p |
| 02:37.38 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | SMiLeaf: i have a feeling that i could just wing it and be close enough |
| 02:37.42 | SMiLeaf | qupada: it has some replay quality.. due to the sheer geek-ness to it :) |
| 02:37.54 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | the song is pretty catchy to |
| 02:38.34 | qupada | i filed it under 'queer shit' and ignored it :P |
| 02:38.56 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | i love the way that they're standing when they appear one at a time on the field |
| 02:39.49 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | the guy on the left (i think zack rusin) has the best pose ever |
| 02:40.05 | SMiLeaf | lol |
| 02:41.11 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | zack rusin is a kde dev |
| 02:41.18 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | hes one of the qt4 also |
| 02:41.27 | SMiLeaf | well shows how well I know the devs around here :) |
| 02:41.28 | letalis | ive noticed something about my mouse cursor themes, they dont completely work, sometimes itll show the theme, but sometimes like on a link itll show the default X server cursor, anyone know why that would happen? |
| 02:41.59 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | letalis: maybe the cursor theme doesn't cover all types of cursors? |
| 02:42.12 | SMiLeaf | or you have a bad cursor? |
| 02:42.48 | dantehman | hey smileaf do u know how to reset an xorg.conf |
| 02:42.59 | SMiLeaf | dantehman: define reset? |
| 02:43.00 | letalis | the pointer finger one for example, this theme has one as it shows a preview of it in control panel, but the x server doesnt use it it defaults to the X server finger cursor |
| 02:43.20 | dantehman | make the default one that wasnt edited by me come back |
| 02:43.35 | SMiLeaf | dantehman: there really isn't a 'default' one. |
| 02:43.41 | dantehman | ... |
| 02:43.43 | qupada | dantehman: xorgconfig might help |
| 02:44.01 | dantehman | i dont have that |
| 02:44.04 | SMiLeaf | that command will help generate one.. but it won't make a default one. |
| 02:44.18 | dantehman | it says command not found |
| 02:44.36 | SMiLeaf | qupada: he's running ubuntu.. |
| 02:44.43 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | theres also 'X -configure' |
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| 02:44.56 | dantehman | ok ill try that |
| 02:45.00 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | could always try out Guidance's config thingy |
| 02:45.14 | dantehman | Fatal server error: |
| 02:45.14 | dantehman | Server is already active for display 0 |
| 02:45.15 | dantehman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.15 | dantehman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.42 | dantehman | what is Guidances config thingy |
| 02:46.19 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | its a new configuration systemy thingy, and Kubuntu has started including it |
| 02:46.28 | dantehman | what command |
| 02:46.34 | qupada | SMiLeaf: haha, are you pondering what i'm pondering pinky? |
| 02:46.46 | dantehman | haha that show was awesome |
| 02:46.58 | SMiLeaf | qupada: Umm.. what would that be? =p |
| 02:47.05 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | qupada: if its the qt4 dance, then yes |
| 02:47.48 | i_is_cat | anyone know of any programs to hook up a cell phone to linux specifically a samsung a920? |
| 02:47.58 | qupada | i_is_cat: to do what? |
| 02:48.19 | SMiLeaf | wireless internet? =) |
| 02:48.38 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | kmobiletools? |
| 02:48.43 | dantehman | ok im gonna do init 1 and see if i can configure it |
| 02:48.46 | SMiLeaf | that'd be crazy. |
| 02:48.59 | i_is_cat | to get pictures and such off of |
| 02:49.03 | SMiLeaf | dantehman: wish you luck.. I'm off to b.d |
| 02:49.14 | SMiLeaf | umm.. bed even. |
| 02:49.26 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | i_is_cat: check out kmobiletools |
| 02:49.38 | i_is_cat | problem is the transflash card died :/ |
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| 02:49.40 | i_is_cat | oo0o0o |
| 02:49.56 | qupada | didn't think kmobiletools did that kind of stuff |
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| 02:50.24 | wwallace_lap | hello what would the following command would do? |
| 02:50.29 | wwallace_lap | Kano> cp /etc/skel/.kde/share/config/kickerrc~/./etc/skel/.kde/share/config/kickerrc |
| 02:50.29 | wwallace_lap | <Kano> cp /etc/skel/.kde/share/config/kickerrc~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc |
| 02:50.29 | wwallace_lap | <Kano> last line |
| 02:50.29 | wwallace_lap | <Kano> locate "cher " |
| 02:50.35 | i_is_cat | It has been tested on Motorola, Nokia, Siemens, Sony Ericsson and LG mobile phones. |
| 02:50.36 | i_is_cat | :/ |
| 02:51.01 | qupada | getting stuff off my phone is easy because sony ericsson are helpful and ship most of their newer phones with a usb cable in the box. if you want files and you DON'T have a usb cable, bluetooth is your next best bet |
| 02:51.05 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | it could still work on yours |
| 02:51.30 | hydrogen | wwallace_lap: copy the default kickerrc to your personal kickerrc |
| 02:51.33 | i_is_cat | interesting |
| 02:51.41 | qupada | i_is_cat: kmobiletools' primary function is sending sms from your pc using your phone |
| 02:51.44 | wwallace_lap | what is kickercc for? |
| 02:52.07 | hydrogen | sets up the way kicker looks and responds |
| 02:52.11 | hydrogen | kicker being the bar on the bottom |
| 02:52.17 | wwallace_lap | oh |
| 02:52.30 | wwallace_lap | so it can help me to search stuff better? |
| 02:52.44 | hydrogen | no |
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| 02:52.51 | wwallace_lap | no? |
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| 02:52.57 | i_is_cat | hmm well bluetooth is out cuz she'd have to by a thing for her pc |
| 02:53.06 | qupada | i was lucky, i didn't get a bastardised phone from my carrier, just bought it online and dropped my SIM in. have every manufacturer-supported option, and no ugly operator-designed themes or anything |
| 02:53.10 | i_is_cat | and if she was to do that she might as well buy a new transflash card |
| 02:53.59 | wwallace_lap | thanks for the info |
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| 02:54.17 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | qupada: i was unlucky, i got a horrible bastardised phone (which is already a POS) from my carrier, had no loads of artificial limits, and ugly themes designed by who knows |
| 02:54.59 | marccollin | there are a couple of day i see some basic bug...... i would like try to resolve....... somebody know where to find this page with all basic bugT? |
| 02:55.18 | ironfroggy | how do i get amarok to use a device? it wont connect, but my device is already mounted. |
| 02:55.37 | Jaywalker | Well.... #suse as drawn a blank... |
| 02:55.50 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | marccollin: bugs.kde.org? |
| 02:56.05 | marccollin | will check |
| 02:56.06 | i_is_cat | Jaywalker, ? |
| 02:56.14 | Jaywalker | KDE 3.5.4 upgraded from 3.5.0 -Nothing else changed-.... Now GTK apps return "segmentation fault" |
| 02:56.23 | hydrogen | obviouslly blame gtk |
| 02:56.29 | Jaywalker | gtk-qt reinstalled |
| 02:56.30 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | ironfroggy: the generic media device plugin if it supports UMS? |
| 02:56.33 | Jaywalker | still nothing. |
| 02:56.40 | hydrogen | obviously blame gtk |
| 02:56.40 | i_is_cat | lol i am upgrading my kde as well atm |
| 02:56.42 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | Jaywalker: have you tried updating gtk-qt? |
| 02:57.15 | qupada | hmmm, kmobiletools 0.5 betas. time for some testing methinks |
| 02:57.16 | ironfroggy | Sutoka|Qt4Dance: what is that? UMS? it just shows up as a usb drive doesnt it? |
| 02:57.21 | Jaywalker | Just said that... Lol. |
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| 02:57.47 | Jaywalker | Sutoka|Qt4Dance: Updated to 0.7 (latest) |
| 02:57.48 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | ironfroggy: USB Mass Storage, if it shows as if it was just a usb hard drive then its in UMS mode |
| 02:58.21 | ironfroggy | well it automatically is being mounted when i plug it in, as a USB mass storage device, so why doesnt amarok see it? what is this "connect" button actually for? |
| 02:58.35 | Jaywalker | any other ideas?? |
| 02:58.40 | Jaywalker | I miss Gaim and XChat |
| 02:58.46 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | ironfroggy: what version of amarok are you running? |
| 02:58.58 | ironfroggy | 1.3.9 |
| 02:59.59 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | ironfroggy: go into Settings -> Configure Amarok -> Media Devices and click 'Autodetect Devices' |
| 03:00.34 | ironfroggy | there is no such settings panel |
| 03:01.13 | Renze | you must have an old version of amarok then |
| 03:01.30 | ironfroggy | its whatever comes with kubuntu |
| 03:01.42 | Renze | I don't know what comes with kubuntu |
| 03:01.50 | ironfroggy | 1.3.9 |
| 03:01.58 | Renze | 1.4.3 definitely has it |
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| 03:02.27 | hydrogen | 1.3.9 is really old |
| 03:02.35 | hydrogen | get the new version from kubuntu.org |
| 03:02.41 | ironfroggy | oh well. i dont think the way amarok handles podcasting is what i want anyway |
| 03:03.11 | ironfroggy | im new with kubuntu. i was under the impression that if there was a newer package available for kubuntu, i would already have it. |
| 03:03.34 | hydrogen | not amarok for some reason |
| 03:03.50 | ironfroggy | well, if its not in apt how do i get it? just a plain deb file? |
| 03:03.59 | hydrogen | you add the repository |
| 03:04.03 | hydrogen | theres instructions on kubnut.org |
| 03:04.07 | hydrogen | for amarok |
| 03:05.02 | ironfroggy | in a seperate repository? |
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| 03:05.28 | ironfroggy | actually, now i remember that it did try to update amarok, but i didnt want to let it. |
| 03:08.21 | ironfroggy | because it tries to pull in ruby |
| 03:08.49 | hydrogen | yes |
| 03:08.52 | hydrogen | amarok 1.4 requires ruby |
| 03:08.55 | hydrogen | ruby++ |
| 03:09.16 | hagabaka | hmm |
| 03:09.21 | hagabaka | it doesn't require ruby for me |
| 03:09.34 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | ruby is used for the lyrics script |
| 03:09.35 | hagabaka | until i try to enable some scripts |
| 03:09.43 | hagabaka | but it works fine without it |
| 03:09.44 | Renze | and for the last.fm proxy, I believe |
| 03:09.56 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | oh yes, and that |
| 03:10.11 | Theory | and DAAP support for the same reason iirc |
| 03:10.15 | hydrogen | yea |
| 03:10.33 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | that to |
| 03:10.54 | ironfroggy | i dont care about lyrics. i dont want ruby. its insulting! (im a python guy. ruby is the enemy.) |
| 03:10.55 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | heh... ruby went from an 'option, only needed for lyrics' to 'required for half the functionality' |
| 03:11.09 | Theory | btw, anyone here running 1.4.3 who can confirm/deny an amarok bug for me? |
| 03:11.12 | hydrogen | ruby++ |
| 03:11.15 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | Theory: i am |
| 03:11.50 | Theory | add a file to your playlist in amarok |
| 03:11.53 | Theory | start playing it |
| 03:11.56 | Theory | click pause |
| 03:12.13 | Theory | now, drag another song into amarok from konqueror |
| 03:12.15 | ironfroggy | i could say "its a bad idea to require ruby" blah blah blah, but it would be hypocritical because i know i wouldnt object to KDE making Python a requirement :-) |
| 03:12.41 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | Theory: thats all? |
| 03:12.41 | Renze | ironfroggy: give ruby a try... it's not half bad |
| 03:12.43 | Theory | yes |
| 03:12.58 | Theory | for me this causes amarok to start playing the paused file, but all the ui still acts like it is paused |
| 03:13.03 | Theory | I am running 1.4.1 though |
| 03:13.23 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | Theory: acts normal for me |
| 03:13.26 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | 1.4.3 here |
| 03:13.39 | Jaywalker | I cant figure it out... :( |
| 03:13.44 | Theory | guess I'll wait for 1.4.3 to arrive in sid then :-) |
| 03:14.05 | Renze | ditto |
| 03:14.15 | Jaywalker | Gentoo is for minimalists |
| 03:14.16 | ironfroggy | Renze: ive played around with it, even long before i got into python, but i never could get to like it. i enjoy a clean language and ruby just seems anything but. |
| 03:14.55 | Jaywalker | I'm the guy who installs EVERYTHING listed when he first puts the disk in. |
| 03:14.56 | Jaywalker | :) |
| 03:14.56 | Renze | ironfroggy: so you now object to it's existence and use for any reason? |
| 03:15.21 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | ironfroggy: what would you say if they required both mono and java? |
| 03:15.24 | ironfroggy | Renze: well, yeah, i mean it honestly some languages do more harm than good. |
| 03:15.35 | canllaith | please Sutoka|Qt4Dance don't frighten me |
| 03:15.37 | ironfroggy | Sutoka|Qt4Dance: both? now that seems silly. Mono can run java! |
| 03:16.00 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | i like that im able to scare people so easily :-D |
| 03:16.01 | Renze | ironfroggy: still, it seems a silly reason to not install a newer version of amarok |
| 03:16.08 | ironfroggy | actually i would be very interested in a KDE.Net initiative. |
| 03:16.22 | hydrogen | eww |
| 03:16.27 | hydrogen | ewwX10 |
| 03:16.32 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | ironfroggy: kde bindings for .net/mono? |
| 03:16.39 | ironfroggy | absolutely |
| 03:16.43 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | ironfroggy: theres now Qt bindings for Java |
| 03:17.04 | ironfroggy | well that doesnt do me any real good |
| 03:17.05 | hydrogen | the whole idea of mono is kind of silly |
| 03:17.13 | Jaywalker | Is there any way i can make GTK apps run with just GTK |
| 03:17.14 | ironfroggy | hydrogen: what an odd thing to say |
| 03:17.24 | Jaywalker | aka: disable without uninstalling GTK-QT |
| 03:17.35 | hydrogen | Jaywalker: thats probably a question for #gtk |
| 03:17.36 | hydrogen | >_< |
| 03:17.38 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | Jaywalker: change the theme in kcontrol for the gtk thingie |
| 03:18.25 | Jaywalker | Where is it? |
| 03:18.25 | Jaywalker | I looked a minute ago. |
| 03:18.30 | Renze | Jaywalker: appearance & themes -> gtk styles and fonts |
| 03:18.32 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | Jaywalker: KControl -> Appearance & Themes -> GTK Styles and Fonts |
| 03:18.32 | ironfroggy | i would love to write KDE apps with C# and python via FePy |
| 03:18.58 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | ironfroggy: theres python bindings for Qt and KDE (PyQt and PyKDE) |
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| 03:19.40 | Jaywalker | I fixed it |
| 03:19.45 | Jaywalker | without issue |
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| 03:19.58 | Jaywalker | I forgot to reset the stuff in there wehn i reinstalled GTK-Qt |
| 03:20.14 | Jaywalker | Time to start XChat |
| 03:20.25 | ironfroggy | Sutoka|Qt4Dance: i know. ive used them. |
| 03:20.35 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | i wonder if theres bash bindings for the Java .Net bindings... |
| 03:20.39 | CrazyClaudia | forgive me if i'm missing the obvious, but how does one remove konqueror/file manager context menu actions (the "Open with..." actions)? Adding them is easy enough, but how to remove them? |
| 03:21.05 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | CrazyClaudia: click 'remove' instead of 'add' should do it |
| 03:21.19 | CrazyClaudia | hmm... i don't recall seeing that.... hang on |
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| 03:21.24 | Theory | CrazyClaudia: right click on the file, click properties, then click on the spanner in the dialog that appears |
| 03:21.26 | Renze | CrazyClaudia: .kde/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/ |
| 03:21.34 | Theory | that gives you a dialog with a list of applications you can add/remove things from |
| 03:21.51 | CrazyClaudia | Theory ahhhh thank you :) |
| 03:21.59 | CrazyClaudia | knew it was something simple i was overlooking as usual |
| 03:22.06 | Renze | ah, my bad... thinking of something else |
| 03:22.26 | CrazyClaudia | cheers |
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| 03:22.42 | Theory | hrm, that's pretty unintuitive at the moment |
| 03:22.47 | Theory | I wonder how it could be improved |
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| 03:24.00 | Sutoka|Qt4Dance | Theory: should be easy to solve that issue once focus follows mind is finished being developed |
| 03:24.24 | Theory | hehe |
| 03:25.40 | marccollin | applicatio who use qt- java binding need a jvm? |
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| 03:26.31 | Sutoka | marccollin: yes, because they are java apps |
| 03:26.49 | Sutoka | at least till gcj/classpath gets to a point that it can be used with Qt/Jambi |
| 03:27.29 | Theory | offtopic I know, but how does gcj handle garbage collection? |
| 03:28.03 | Sutoka | the same as the jvm i guess |
| 03:28.51 | i_is_cat | ok after 24hrs |
| 03:28.56 | i_is_cat | this is the last bit i have |
| 03:28.57 | i_is_cat | http://rafb.net/paste/results/B2dhS218.html |
| 03:29.02 | i_is_cat | what went wrong? |
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| 03:29.25 | Sutoka | i_is_cat: g++: /usr/lib/libpoppler-qt.so: No such file or directory |
| 03:29.57 | i_is_cat | does this mean i have to fill that dependency and restart? |
| 03:30.00 | Sutoka | is poppler installed, and are the qt bindings for poppler installed? |
| 03:30.02 | Theory | ah, it uses a Boehm derivative |
| 03:30.08 | Sutoka | i've never used konstruct |
| 03:30.12 | Sutoka | Theory: ? |
| 03:30.14 | i_is_cat | wtf is poppler? :/ |
| 03:30.21 | Theory | (answering my own question) |
| 03:30.24 | i_is_cat | i've never used it either |
| 03:30.24 | Sutoka | i_is_cat: the stuff that does pdf... stuff |
| 03:30.31 | qupada | Sutoka: well put :D |
| 03:30.35 | i_is_cat | i like kpdf |
| 03:30.42 | Sutoka | kpdf uses poppler |
| 03:30.54 | i_is_cat | well then i guess its there |
| 03:31.01 | Theory | all pdf apps used to be based on xpdf. popple is basically xpdf turned into a library |
| 03:31.16 | i_is_cat | xpdf is cool too |
| 03:31.18 | i_is_cat | its fast |
| 03:32.05 | i_is_cat | so does anyone know how far along that went and whether kde is actually usable? |
| 03:32.46 | Sutoka | it was on kdegraphics so probably a good ways through it |
| 03:32.57 | Sutoka | at least past kdelibs, and kdebase |
| 03:32.58 | i_is_cat | well it went for around 24hrs |
| 03:33.15 | Sutoka | heh, on the kfile pdf plugin |
| 03:33.24 | i_is_cat | so i'm currently using kde 3.4.xx how do i go about using the new one? |
| 03:33.41 | Kyral | i_is_cat: what distro |
| 03:33.42 | Sutoka | i_is_cat: does your distro not provide binaries? |
| 03:33.46 | i_is_cat | opensuse 10 |
| 03:33.54 | Sutoka | it should include the newer versions of kde |
| 03:33.59 | Kyral | upgrade to SuSE 10.1 |
| 03:34.04 | Sutoka | im using opensuse 10.1 and i have kde 3.5.4 |
| 03:34.07 | i_is_cat | hmm |
| 03:34.18 | Sutoka | don't have to upgrade to 10.1 |
| 03:34.20 | Kyral | I like how Arch and Gentoo do things |
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| 03:34.28 | i_is_cat | if i change my yast repositories to 10.1 will it upgrade? |
| 03:34.33 | Sutoka | just add the kde updates repository to yast/smart/your package manager of choice |
| 03:34.36 | Kyral | the releases are merely snapshots of the stable tree |
| 03:34.54 | Kyral | so if you just keep the system up to date... |
| 03:34.58 | Sutoka | i_is_cat: its more complicated then that, theres documentation somewhere on the opensuse site |
| 03:35.03 | i_is_cat | hmm |
| 03:35.10 | i_is_cat | i should do this when i'm less stoned |
| 03:35.32 | Sutoka | Kyral: agree, having to help my friends who now use versions of fedora that are about to leave fedora legacy is a pain |
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| 03:35.54 | lc23 | hello |
| 03:36.01 | Sutoka | though in gentoo major gcc upgrades are annoying |
| 03:36.22 | lc23 | anyone know about problmes with freefont path errors and kde ? |
| 03:36.50 | lc23 | no one in xorg channel talking |
| 03:37.15 | NthDegree | too longer compile times |
| 03:37.24 | lc23 | i like it |
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| 03:37.34 | NthDegree | when you need security patches you want them FAST |
| 03:37.35 | lc23 | dont really like kde much right now |
| 03:37.53 | NthDegree | Kubuntu has gotta be one of the only good KDE distros right now |
| 03:37.59 | NthDegree | besides gentoo and slackware |
| 03:38.09 | Homer | and mepis |
| 03:38.12 | Homer | and knoppix |
| 03:38.15 | Homer | :p |
| 03:38.15 | canllaith | Exept NthDegree mentioned slackware, so now I like them anyway =) |
| 03:38.23 | NthDegree | lol |
| 03:38.24 | lc23 | does anyone know how to fix this error FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing |
| 03:38.36 | NthDegree | I really annoyed people on windows IT pro |
| 03:38.43 | Renze | that's not an error |
| 03:38.54 | lc23 | ok than what is wrong |
| 03:39.03 | NthDegree | i get that |
| 03:39.05 | lc23 | i had kde working and now it wont |
| 03:39.06 | Renze | lc23: no idea... what's the problem? |
| 03:39.10 | canllaith | What does your Xorg.0.log say lc23 ? |
| 03:39.11 | NthDegree | it is not an error |
| 03:39.11 | Theory | $DISTRO_OF_CHOICE is better than all other distros because of $PERSONAL_REASON. I could never get $OTHER_DISTRO to work properly for me. |
| 03:39.11 | qupada | i feel it might be an appropriate time to show this: http://bandcamp.tv/linux-demotivators/ |
| 03:39.14 | canllaith | (in /var/log) |
| 03:39.22 | canllaith | Theory: amen. |
| 03:39.42 | Renze | Theory: you read my mind :D |
| 03:40.35 | NthDegree | ROFL |
| 03:40.36 | NthDegree | qupada that's more funny that funroll-loops.org |
| 03:40.36 | NthDegree | than* |
| 03:40.37 | mactek | hehe Theory |
| 03:40.48 | mactek | hey canllaith: |
| 03:40.55 | mactek | how's stuff ? :) |
| 03:41.12 | lc23 | ok thats the last thing in my Xorg.0.log file |
| 03:41.19 | Theory | rofl, the mandrake one is inspired. |
| 03:41.21 | canllaith | Not bad, servers are mostly finished falling over now |
| 03:41.32 | mactek | hehe cool |
| 03:41.39 | canllaith | You bought a mac?!? |
| 03:41.43 | mactek | oh don't remind me |
| 03:41.46 | mactek | hehe yeah I did |
| 03:41.49 | mactek | kicks butt |
| 03:41.49 | canllaith | YOU BOUGHT A MAC? |
| 03:41.55 | canllaith | zomg no! |
| 03:41.55 | mactek | almost as good as KDE :P |
| 03:41.59 | canllaith | I just sold my mac |
| 03:42.01 | canllaith | Hated it too uch |
| 03:42.04 | canllaith | s/uch/much/ |
| 03:42.06 | lc23 | damm |
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| 03:42.14 | lc23 | what is wrong with kde ??? |
| 03:42.18 | mactek | canllaith: hehe well for Qt stuff and for work |
| 03:42.31 | mactek | and I got edu discount on the macbook hehe |
| 03:42.37 | canllaith | lc23: Are there any lines starting with 'EE' in your Xorg.0.log ? |
| 03:42.43 | Renze | lc23: as soon as you can find the error, we can tell you. check your ~/.xsession-errors file |
| 03:42.49 | mactek | my trusty KDE gentoo box is sitting right next to me :) |
| 03:42.59 | canllaith | mactek: I'm going to get one of these: http://sonystyle.co.nz/shop_detail.asp?ssm=340&ssc=346&sku=VGNTX37GPB |
| 03:43.02 | lc23 | let me look higher in that log |
| 03:43.42 | canllaith | Right now I have a fairly boring 14" 1280x800 1.5Ghz acer laptop. It's ok. It's not 11.1" of pure sex in a box like an ultraportable VAIO is though |
| 03:43.53 | mactek | canllaith: hehe nice vaio |
| 03:43.56 | mactek | I liek them too |
| 03:44.03 | qupada | canllaith: i want one too. |
| 03:44.06 | lc23 | for my video card it has (**) |
| 03:44.10 | lc23 | next too it |
| 03:44.23 | qupada | pity they cost NZD$4k, considering how little laptop you're getting |
| 03:44.23 | mactek | I'll be getting a new iMac 24" before next year too methinks :) |
| 03:44.25 | Renze | lc23: only (EE) matters |
| 03:44.31 | mactek | another dev box :) |
| 03:44.56 | mactek | canllaith: the thing I miss most is foxus follows mouse hehe |
| 03:45.04 | mactek | but I am a vera lazy clicker |
| 03:45.06 | mactek | :) |
| 03:45.21 | lc23 | nope no (EE) anywhere in my xorg.0.log |
| 03:45.29 | canllaith | qupada: but that's the point! So little! |
| 03:45.35 | mactek | oh and kmail and kontact |
| 03:45.45 | mactek | Mail is pretty sucky |
| 03:45.51 | canllaith | Yeah, get OSX thunderbird |
| 03:46.00 | canllaith | It's nicer than windows/linux thunderbird, somehow :| |
| 03:46.03 | canllaith | At least I found it so |
| 03:46.11 | mactek | heh |
| 03:46.23 | mactek | download it now and see if it's any good |
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| 03:47.10 | mactek | oh and a real taskbar |
| 03:47.19 | mactek | oh and virtual desktops |
| 03:47.23 | mactek | :) |
| 03:47.37 | canllaith | You can have virtual desktops and they're awesome |
| 03:47.37 | Renze | mactek: oh, and apps with K's in them |
| 03:47.39 | mobtek | he's lying! |
| 03:47.39 | canllaith | getting you a link |
| 03:47.50 | mobtek | he';s put me in a cupboard so he can play with his new toy! |
| 03:48.03 | mactek | shuttup you ! |
| 03:48.04 | canllaith | mactek: http://desktopmanager.berlios.de/ <-- it does the cube transition on desktop switch dude |
| 03:48.08 | mactek | :) |
| 03:48.13 | mactek | oh noice |
| 03:48.16 | qupada | canllaith: i worked it out once, just for a laugh, (hours of battery life)/((weight in kg)*(volume in m3)) for both an ultraportable and a desktop replacement (4kg, 17", 90 minute battery life job). it's hardly a fair measurement i know, but the difference was a factor of about 100 |
| 03:48.17 | canllaith | mactek: you will never get work done again. Ever. You will just sit there cliking to switch desktops. |
| 03:48.18 | mactek | mucho gracias |
| 03:48.27 | mactek | hahaha |
| 03:48.35 | mactek | yeah the eyecandy is a little overwhelming :) |
| 03:48.48 | hydrogen | that my problem with xgl |
| 03:48.53 | canllaith | mactek: I tend to turn off the lameo display in the bottom corner and just have the little workspace switcher in my top panelly menu bary thing |
| 03:49.00 | canllaith | With tweaking it's very nice. |
| 03:49.03 | mactek | KDE is still my #1 fav desktop |
| 03:49.14 | mactek | but this is very handy for when I'm working with clients onsite etc |
| 03:49.18 | canllaith | qupada: Heh yeah it's huge. I think my current laptop manages 200 minutes of battery life which is pretty lame these days. |
| 03:49.39 | canllaith | Then again it only cost me $1200 NZD and it has 768MB of memory and is realy quite decent in every way |
| 03:49.41 | mactek | I get 4 hours on this macbook |
| 03:49.44 | canllaith | It's just kinda.... ordinary =) |
| 03:49.59 | mactek | heheh I put 2gb of ram in this hehe |
| 03:50.08 | lc23 | what eles could be messing up xorg from working ? |
| 03:50.11 | canllaith | Although I'm using it at work in preference to my athlon 64/2GB/160GB/fx6200 |
| 03:50.14 | canllaith | Because the screen is nicer |
| 03:50.26 | mactek | heh |
| 03:50.45 | mactek | hehe yeah I bought a samsung 20" the other week |
| 03:50.52 | mactek | it's on the kde box, looks awesome |
| 03:51.03 | mactek | 204B is a nice nice lcd |
| 03:51.07 | qupada | canllaith: this was back in march, was comparing something tomshardware.com had reviewded that day with the (then current) sony vgn-tx27gp. ultraportable was about 2/7 the weight, 1/6 the volume, and had 4.5x the battery life. apart from the low clockspeed, in my book that represents nothing not to like |
| 03:51.38 | hydrogen | okay |
| 03:51.40 | hydrogen | wtf |
| 03:51.48 | hydrogen | now my desktop has a windshield wiper |
| 03:51.52 | hydrogen | to get rid of the excess rain |
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| 03:52.01 | hydrogen | gogo xgl |
| 03:52.12 | Theory | hydrogen: with a name like that, what do you expect? :-p |
| 03:52.14 | rizwaan | hi |
| 03:52.24 | mactek | heh xgl ran like a dog for me on gentoo |
| 03:52.25 | qupada | excellent. all the really necessary features eh |
| 03:52.30 | mactek | aiglx ftw :) |
| 03:52.36 | rizwaan | I can't use Hindi (devaganari, India) in Openoffice but in KDE it works |
| 03:52.37 | canllaith | qupada: the current VAIO is now a core solo |
| 03:52.44 | rizwaan | use = type |
| 03:52.49 | rizwaan | can't type hindi in oowriter |
| 03:52.50 | Theory | Proof of Concept. The concept presumably being damn silly desktop effects... |
| 03:52.50 | canllaith | qupada: So even though it's low voltage 1.2Ghz it probably performs reasonably well. Intel CPUs have really gotten good lately |
| 03:53.05 | hydrogen | yea Theory |
| 03:53.09 | hydrogen | i have fun with it though! |
| 03:53.12 | Renze | rizwaan: OpenOffice is not a KDE app... try asking in #openoffice |
| 03:53.14 | canllaith | qupada: I mean, my 1.5GHz pentium M kicks the ass of the 1.7GHz pentium 4 I use to drive the projector at home. |
| 03:53.43 | qupada | canllaith: even the p-m 753 was a good chip, was also 1.2GHz, both have 2MB L2 cache. and for 7W TDP, you can't complain, because it also isn't going to give you crotch burns |
| 03:53.47 | rizwaan | yes, but earlier it was working... URDU (pakistan) works too in oowriter |
| 03:53.55 | canllaith | So it's all releative and GHz is kinda subjective these days. I bet the 1.2GHz core solo is plenty fast enough for what I do. The most intensive thing I ever do is run maybe half a dozen text-only virtual machines in vmware |
| 03:53.57 | mactek | canllaith: ooh man that nice better :) |
| 03:54.00 | mactek | thanks for the link duder |
| 03:54.02 | Renze | rizwaan: still not a KDE problem |
| 03:54.09 | canllaith | You're welcome. Traitor. |
| 03:54.46 | canllaith | Another thing I found I liked with my mac was iridium (written by a friend of mine) : http://sagefire.org/category/software/iridium/ |
| 03:55.05 | canllaith | After using KDE with all my apps having the same theme OSX was annoying with the mail style/old style/brushed metal cacophany |
| 03:57.13 | rizwaan | ok, oowriter has CTL disabled, enabling it fixed the hindi problem in oowriter. thanks anywas. |
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| 04:02.06 | ironfroggy | is there anything i can do enable some way that i can hit a key combination and then be able to type in some text to invoke on the command line? |
| 04:02.49 | qupada | ironfroggy: how about yakuake? you hit f12 and a konsole drops from the top of your screeen |
| 04:03.10 | ironfroggy | well, i want it to take the text and use it as an argument to a command |
| 04:03.18 | Renze | kdialog |
| 04:03.25 | ironfroggy | specifcally, i want a super fast way to add things to my todo list the moment they pop in my head. |
| 04:04.07 | mactek | hehe canllaith: I felt like a traitor too ;) |
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| 04:04.58 | ironfroggy | Renze: how can i get kdialog to invoke something to add the item to my todo list then? |
| 04:05.26 | Theory | ironfroggy: I suspect a combination of kommander and a global shortcut is what you want |
| 04:05.29 | hydrogen | ironfroggy: id write a script to add stuff to your todo, with the first arg being what to add |
| 04:05.39 | Renze | ironfroggy: write a bash script that uses kdialog |
| 04:05.39 | hydrogen | ironfroggy: and then just alt-f2 |
| 04:05.43 | hydrogen | run the command |
| 04:05.46 | hydrogen | with the arg |
| 04:05.50 | hydrogen | no need for kdialog |
| 04:06.16 | Theory | or my prefered option, use basket note pads for your todo list :-) |
| 04:06.26 | qupada | ironfroggy: kdialog --inputbox "dialogue text" >> todo_file |
| 04:06.43 | qupada | to be honest, if your todo list need to work that fast, you're better off with a piece of dead tree and a pen |
| 04:06.56 | Renze | those poor trees... |
| 04:07.12 | ironfroggy | qupada: i have too many pages of half-written notes about some ideas as it is |
| 04:07.19 | ironfroggy | qupada: thats what im trying to improve |
| 04:08.05 | qupada | sounds like you're micromanaging your life and are headed for a hernia |
| 04:08.32 | Renze | or an embulism |
| 04:09.05 | mactek | hmm embolism :PO |
| 04:17.51 | ironfroggy | is it possible to have some plugin for Kontact that can give new types of resources for todo lists? |
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| 04:23.48 | Theory | ironfroggy: what do you want from your todo list? |
| 04:26.02 | ironfroggy | well as much as kontact supports for working with them |
| 04:26.17 | ironfroggy | listing them and marking them done or not i guess is a minimal |
| 04:26.24 | Theory | is kontact integration necessary? |
| 04:26.53 | ironfroggy | i just want a nice interface. im using a command line tool right now because its one of the very few hierarchial todo lists ive found. |
| 04:27.54 | Theory | ironfroggy: I'd at least take a look at basket if you haven't already |
| 04:29.06 | ironfroggy | i have |
| 04:29.15 | ironfroggy | again tho i really need something hierarchial |
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| 04:32.12 | Theory | I think you may have difficulty finding something that lets you quickly add a todo list item just by typing something, but also manages to put it somewhere in a tree |
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| 04:32.58 | nullguid | hello, what app do I have to install to have setting for keyboard in control center? |
| 04:33.10 | ironfroggy | well when i add something quickly it doesnt need to do that. i can move it to the right branch later. |
| 04:34.31 | Theory | well, using dcop you can tell a running kontact instance to add a todo item |
| 04:34.51 | Theory | so you could put together a kdialog based script as mentioned earlier |
| 04:35.15 | ironfroggy | yes but i dont want to store the todo's in the resources kontact uses |
| 04:35.20 | ironfroggy | because that doesnt support trees. |
| 04:35.30 | Theory | yes it does... |
| 04:35.46 | ironfroggy | how? ive never found any such functionality, and ive asked about it previously. |
| 04:35.47 | Renze | yep, it certainly does... has for a while, in face |
| 04:35.49 | Renze | fact* |
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| 04:36.02 | Theory | right click on an item, choose new sub to-do |
| 04:36.24 | ironfroggy | i dont think it had those the last time i used kontact |
| 04:36.31 | ironfroggy | which admitedly was some time ago |
| 04:36.40 | Theory | darn elves adding new features :-p |
| 04:36.41 | Renze | it has those before kontact existed |
| 04:36.51 | Renze | korganizer, I mean |
| 04:36.59 | ironfroggy | i know that |
| 04:37.08 | ironfroggy | i used most of the components before they were part of kontact |
| 04:39.33 | ironfroggy | Theory: do you have an idea where i can find that in DCOP? i dont see anything in the korganizer interfaces |
| 04:40.21 | Theory | ironfroggy: KOrganizerIface->addIncidence |
| 04:40.32 | Theory | you'll need to read up a bit on the iCalendar format, wikipedia has the details |
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| 04:43.30 | ironfroggy | that is great. thanks. im gonna whip up a few things to tie this to handly shortcuts. thanks a bundle. |
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| 06:13.59 | ykphuah | is it possible to remove kopete from taskbar when its minimized? |
| 06:14.26 | benJIman | ykphuah: if you "close" kopete it will go to the systray and remain open |
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| 06:14.53 | ykphuah | benJIman: ah |
| 06:15.17 | ykphuah | benJIman: now you remind me of that's how amarok works. |
| 06:15.31 | ykphuah | benJIman: i was fidling with the advanced window behaviour and stuffs. |
| 06:15.43 | benJIman | control-shift-c toggles iirc, although it can be customized, I think that is probably the default |
| 06:16.34 | ykphuah | benJIman: have you tried kde4? |
| 06:16.40 | ykphuah | benJIman: or, 3.8 |
| 06:16.41 | ykphuah | krash |
| 06:16.45 | benJIman | I have a build installed |
| 06:16.59 | ykphuah | does it improves the performance a lot? |
| 06:17.30 | benJIman | doesn't run enough to judge |
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| 06:18.04 | ykphuah | ok... :) thanks for the kopete help. |
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| 06:46.05 | rredd4 | Using Kguitar, when I open a gp4 file (which is supported) and play it, it says: error opening midi device. I have libtse3 installed. what does the error mean? |
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| 06:51.30 | Rudd-O | hello |
| 06:51.42 | Rudd-O | alright 3.5.4!!! |
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| 06:58.54 | aseigo | rredd4: in the settings dialog there is a MIDI Devices page |
| 06:59.08 | Rudd-O | hello aaron |
| 06:59.09 | aseigo | rredd4: you need to have something valid there otherwise it can't use midi |
| 06:59.11 | aseigo | yo |
| 06:59.15 | Rudd-O | long time no talk |
| 06:59.42 | Rudd-O | this xgl stuff is awesome... you can read irc and webpages at the same time with window transparency |
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| 07:00.45 | aseigo | lol ... that's been there since COMPOSITE |
| 07:00.59 | aseigo | and it's the composition management that brings that, not xgl itself per say |
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| 07:02.09 | rredd4 | aseigo nothing is there. i do not have a external midi device. i have timidity |
| 07:02.15 | rredd4 | ++ |
| 07:02.23 | Rudd-O | indeed, but the xgl+compiz combo makes it visible for me |
| 07:02.29 | sangeli | Hi, I have to remove my kde profile and linux user account and recreate it again new. How to import my kontact profile with all my passwords userid and account settings? |
| 07:02.39 | Rudd-O | sangeli: why? |
| 07:02.45 | Rudd-O | (keyword: why) |
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| 07:03.01 | Rudd-O | (I can't wait for AIGLX to come out with NVIDIA-accelerated support) |
| 07:03.01 | sangeli | because no matter what anytime I upgrade kde I get my account messed up |
| 07:03.15 | Rudd-O | that's never happened to me before... |
| 07:03.18 | sangeli | so, the only way I was able to solve this issue was just delete and create |
| 07:03.19 | Renze | me neither |
| 07:03.22 | sangeli | good for you |
| 07:03.25 | Renze | bad distro? |
| 07:03.29 | sangeli | gentoo? |
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| 07:03.39 | Rudd-O | gentoo.... oh the pain |
| 07:03.42 | Renze | sangeli: gentoo works fine for me... what are you doing wrong? |
| 07:03.43 | sangeli | yea |
| 07:03.44 | aseigo | sangeli: what exactly gets messed up? it's probably far easier to address that |
| 07:04.04 | Rudd-O | my recommendation would be to temporarily move your .kde directory out of the way, so a new .kde directory gets recreated, then merge the old .kde into the new .kde |
| 07:04.13 | rredd4 | aseigo how do i add timidity as the software midi device? |
| 07:04.17 | Rudd-O | but you should first backup .kde and simply upgrade, then login again |
| 07:04.18 | sangeli | right |
| 07:04.23 | sangeli | this is what I was looking for |
| 07:04.25 | Rudd-O | in all odds, maybe this time would work right |
| 07:04.25 | aseigo | rredd4: not sure =) |
| 07:04.38 | Rudd-O | :-) |
| 07:04.44 | sangeli | does .kde contains all settings? |
| 07:04.51 | aseigo | settings and app data |
| 07:04.55 | Rudd-O | sangeli: about KDE? .kde contains all settings and application data |
| 07:04.57 | rredd4 | aseigo kguitar is looking for hardware? |
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| 07:05.08 | sangeli | how to merge them later on? |
| 07:05.15 | aseigo | rredd4: looks that way... perhaps you could email their list |
| 07:05.19 | Rudd-O | sangeli: by hand, copying contents of each folder into the new destination |
| 07:05.25 | sangeli | I see |
| 07:05.34 | sangeli | what is the main directory for kontact? |
| 07:05.34 | Rudd-O | sangeli: honestly, I'd just back up my .kde and login with the new KDE to see what happens |
| 07:05.51 | Rudd-O | .kde/share/apps/kontact and .kde/share/config/kontactrc (and probably other rcs in config) |
| 07:05.55 | rredd4 | aseigo ? |
| 07:06.04 | sangeli | ok |
| 07:06.10 | Rudd-O | but kontact's new storage uses resources that aren't directly stored into kontact's dirs!°1!!! beware!!!!!!! |
| 07:06.22 | Rudd-O | (part of the new kdepim infrastructure) |
| 07:06.25 | sangeli | sure. |
| 07:06.28 | sangeli | thanks for now. |
| 07:06.30 | aseigo | right. there's also kmail, korganizer, kabc and more config and data there |
| 07:06.40 | sangeli | where are they stored? |
| 07:06.41 | Rudd-O | yep, there's a lot more stuff than just kontact's VCards |
| 07:06.58 | Rudd-O | hmmmm... can't recall by memory and couldn't look it up since I abandoned KDEPIM for evo a long time ago |
| 07:06.59 | sangeli | I am only interested in kmail for now |
| 07:07.14 | Rudd-O | .kde/share/apps/$appname and .kde/share/config/$appnamerc |
| 07:07.24 | sangeli | is ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail sufficient? |
| 07:07.25 | aseigo | ugh.. evolution. |
| 07:07.31 | sangeli | I see. |
| 07:07.34 | sangeli | apps and config |
| 07:07.35 | aseigo | no... you need kmailrc as well |
| 07:07.40 | rredd4 | aseigo do you mean email kguitar about this? |
| 07:07.44 | aseigo | address book it kabc |
| 07:07.45 | sangeli | where is it located? at root? |
| 07:07.50 | aseigo | rredd4: yes |
| 07:07.54 | sangeli | no address just kmail |
| 07:08.31 | Rudd-O | yes, without kmailrc, you'll only have a huge set of files with no meaning whatsoever |
| 07:08.40 | Rudd-O | (although perhaps you can import them in evo like I did 3 years ago) |
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| 07:08.51 | Rudd-O | (it's hard to manage over a gig of e-mail, but evo does the job for me) |
| 07:09.12 | Rudd-O | (oh, and gzip for old folders, too bad they're not indexed by beagle because they're gzipped mh folders) |
| 07:09.19 | Rudd-O | mh rulezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 07:09.30 | sangeli | aseigo, I found it in /home/pc-01/.kde3.4/share/config/kmailrc and not in root |
| 07:09.54 | aseigo | it'll be in whatever your $KDEHOME is |
| 07:09.59 | Renze | sangeli: you're using your system as root? |
| 07:10.06 | aseigo | or, kde-config --localprefix |
| 07:10.08 | sangeli | no as users |
| 07:10.11 | Renze | good |
| 07:10.15 | sangeli | :-) |
| 07:10.23 | Rudd-O | pc-01? that's an odd user name |
| 07:10.34 | sangeli | I just renamed my pc name :-) |
| 07:10.40 | sangeli | how to find out $KDEHOME path? |
| 07:10.47 | Rudd-O | but, why isn't your user name "sangeli"? |
| 07:10.56 | Rudd-O | sangeli: open a konsole and type "echo $KDEHOME" |
| 07:11.02 | sangeli | thanks |
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| 07:11.12 | Rudd-O | damn kdehome is empty on my setup!!!!!! |
| 07:11.13 | Rudd-O | why? |
| 07:11.14 | sangeli | wow I get an empty line |
| 07:11.20 | Rudd-O | and kdedirs as well |
| 07:11.20 | sangeli | no return data |
| 07:11.27 | aseigo | Rudd-O: kde-config --localprefix |
| 07:11.42 | Rudd-O | okay, if KDEHOME is empty, it's safe to assume that your .kde is at whatever kde-config --localprefix outputs |
| 07:11.45 | sangeli | better |
| 07:11.49 | Rudd-O | (to co-opt aseigo's magic) |
| 07:11.56 | sangeli | got it. |
| 07:12.02 | sangeli | thanks for now. must run..... |
| 07:12.04 | Rudd-O | targzzzz the entire directory =) |
| 07:12.07 | Rudd-O | luck! |
| 07:12.34 | sangeli | thks guys |
| 07:13.06 | Rudd-O | you're most welcome |
| 07:13.19 | Rudd-O | so, aaron, how's kde development been these days? |
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| 07:16.23 | Rudd-O | hello? |
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| 07:20.49 | Japsu | strange, in Gentoo upgrading KDE has never been a matter of luck |
| 07:20.56 | Japsu | it just works, even after the upgrade |
| 07:21.18 | Rudd-O | I never had any problems upgrading any of .kde whatsoever |
| 07:21.29 | Rudd-O | minor glitches, sure, like maybe icons not in the exact same positions in the panel, but that's it |
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| 07:23.45 | Renze | Japsu: I've known people that can break anything... one guy I knew could cause computers to crash just by being in the room. |
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| 07:26.55 | Rudd-O | I knew a guy who clapped 2 inches above bad SIMM modules and then they passed memory tests |
| 07:27.10 | Rudd-O | that's gotta beat anyone who can make computers emit blue smoke at his presence! |
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| 07:29.21 | Renze | never let the magic blue smoke out... stuff doesn't work without the magic blue smoke |
| 07:29.37 | Rudd-O | yep |
| 07:29.46 | Rudd-O | once it's gone, no chance of making it work again |
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| 07:40.12 | sangeli | Hi, I know this is off topic but I have been told that rather than purchasing a mac I can on an intel pc install OS X. Is this true? |
| 07:41.48 | ironfroggy | what is the point of recurring todo items in Kontact? they cant be completed! |
| 07:41.59 | Renze | sangeli: afaik, it is false. |
| 07:42.12 | sangeli | Renze, http://www.osx86project.org/ |
| 07:42.32 | qupada | sangeli: to some extent. requires a rather hacked copy of osx. most people who have succeeded have only done so because they've been using a vmware virtual machine to run osx |
| 07:42.49 | Renze | sangeli: I heard something about Apple not letting MacOSX work on non-Apple hardware |
| 07:43.09 | qupada | and quite franky, why would you? osx sucks and mac hardware sucks. might as well stay away from both |
| 07:43.22 | sangeli | qupada, do you remember helping me out with firefox plugins yesterday? |
| 07:43.42 | qupada | vaguely |
| 07:44.02 | sangeli | qupada, mplayer firefox plugins? |
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| 07:45.42 | qupada | yeah, right oh (checked logs to remind myself) |
| 07:46.15 | sangeli | some how they do not work anymore like yesterday. The funny things, is that all the files are there. Any idea? |
| 07:46.57 | qupada | sangeli: do they still show up in about:plugins? |
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| 07:47.19 | sangeli | no |
| 07:47.48 | qupada | pastebin ls -l /opt/firefox/plugins/ |
| 07:48.37 | sangeli | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 19496 2006-09-15 07:27 libnullplugin.so |
| 07:48.49 | sangeli | got it. I have to create lyncs again. I get it |
| 07:48.51 | qupada | did you upgrade firefox? |
| 07:48.57 | sangeli | it could be |
| 07:49.05 | sangeli | I bet I have to create links again, right? |
| 07:49.08 | qupada | yeah |
| 07:49.13 | sangeli | got it. |
| 07:49.16 | sangeli | thks. ;-) |
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| 08:03.24 | ironfroggy | how can i create a new calendar file for korganizer to use? |
| 08:03.53 | ironfroggy | i tried to just add a calendar, but it says the file doesnt exist. i had hoped it would try to create it in that case. |
| 08:04.27 | alsuren | it might have meant that the folder you tried to put it in doesn't exist |
| 08:05.13 | Rudd-O | use kcontrol |
| 08:05.18 | Rudd-O | the resource module |
| 08:05.19 | ironfroggy | no it exists |
| 08:06.25 | ironfroggy | Rudd-O: thats already what ive done. i mean, i did it through korganizer, but its the same dialog. |
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| 08:06.36 | ironfroggy | i entered the information i wanted to use and it didnt create anything. |
| 08:06.45 | Rudd-O | oh |
| 08:06.50 | Rudd-O | damn, i hate that |
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| 08:17.17 | russleon | hi |
| 08:17.49 | russleon | how can i set up the desktop switcher applet that way, that it shows availble desktops in multple rows? |
| 08:18.09 | thiago | do you have enough space for multiple rows? |
| 08:18.12 | AegeanLinux | russleon: make the kicker smaller :P |
| 08:18.16 | russleon | yes |
| 08:18.22 | AegeanLinux | nm |
| 08:18.29 | thiago | no, make it higher |
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| 08:18.52 | russleon | i want it to look like 1 2\n 3 4 |
| 08:18.56 | russleon | and now it is 1 2 3 4 |
| 08:19.09 | thiago | right, double the height of your panel |
| 08:19.46 | russleon | ok .... |
| 08:19.47 | thiago | right-click the panel, Configure Panel, change the size |
| 08:19.51 | russleon | done |
| 08:20.02 | russleon | is this the only possible way? |
| 08:20.04 | thiago | yes |
| 08:20.19 | russleon | will kde4 have better way? |
| 08:20.49 | thiago | not necessarily |
| 08:20.59 | russleon | ok ... |
| 08:21.12 | thiago | if you send the code for kde4 to do it your way, it might do it |
| 08:21.17 | qupada | or you can right click the pager itself, pager options, rows, 2 |
| 08:21.24 | russleon | would you accept the patch from me with it? |
| 08:21.33 | russleon | thiago: ok! |
| 08:21.40 | thiago | qupada: hey, I didn't know that existed! |
| 08:21.42 | qupada | i have a 3 desktop high pager on a 24px high taskbar that way, works just fine |
| 08:21.45 | thiago | russleon: ok, I was completely off |
| 08:21.50 | thiago | russleon: it's possible in KDE3 already |
| 08:22.03 | russleon | qupada: where should i right klick? |
| 08:22.07 | thiago | russleon: but, yeah, patches are most welcome :-) |
| 08:22.12 | thiago | russleon: on the pager itself |
| 08:22.32 | russleon | qupada: , thiago when i right click on the pager itself i get the setup menu where i can set only the number of the desktops |
| 08:22.49 | russleon | not the rows |
| 08:22.57 | thiago | don't click the setup menu |
| 08:23.03 | qupada | russleon: hang on, will get a screenshot |
| 08:23.06 | thiago | right click and then go to Pager Options |
| 08:23.12 | thiago | it's a sub-menu |
| 08:23.30 | russleon | thiago: i do not see it :( |
| 08:23.37 | russleon | it is hidden somehow from me |
| 08:23.46 | qupada | http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5153/pagerhk9.png |
| 08:23.50 | russleon | qupada: thx |
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| 08:23.57 | qupada | (couldn't bebothered cropping it, sorry) |
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| 08:25.00 | qupada | i was happy when i found that option. sure it makes my pager icons 10x8 pixels, but that's enough to see the numbers, and which one is selected |
| 08:25.34 | russleon | found it . shish :) |
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| 08:30.08 | alsuren | qupada: I do the exact opposite to you: I have big desktops so I can use the pager instead of the taskbar for organising windows :) |
| 08:30.35 | alsuren | you have t olove how KDE caters for everyone's different needs |
| 08:31.31 | qupada | oh yeah |
| 08:32.43 | qupada | my way of setting things up is partly because i don't have a mouse, my everyday input device is a graphics tablet, you tend to change things to make life easy |
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| 08:35.54 | _antonio | ok |
| 08:36.52 | qupada | it makes for hilarity when people want to use my pc too |
| 08:37.17 | qupada | took me about a week to get used to the thing, so noone who only has 15 minutes has any hope |
| 08:38.34 | AegeanLinux | I much rather my kicker to be more Window-sy |
| 08:38.35 | qupada | it's those situations when i dig the crusty $20 microsoft intellimouse out of a drawer and plug it in |
| 08:38.52 | alsuren | what I want to try doing is turn my PDA into a graphics tablet with a copy of the screen |
| 08:39.04 | alsuren | or a section thereof |
| 08:39.07 | AegeanLinux | alsuren: I wonder if that is possible |
| 08:39.13 | qupada | a vnc client would do that, surely? |
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| 08:39.38 | AegeanLinux | Wouldn't it be cool if we could put a miniture KDE on a PDA. |
| 08:39.59 | qupada | pretty sure you can get vnc clients for most pdas, add a compactflash/secure digital wireless card if you don't have it already |
| 08:40.04 | Renze | qupada: no Intuos3 Mouse? :D |
| 08:40.04 | alsuren | well I have linux on it so far, but network over USB seems to a bit of a struggle |
| 08:40.20 | AegeanLinux | Renze: heh :) |
| 08:40.27 | qupada | Renze: oddly no, wacom's asia-pacific models don't come with the mouse |
| 08:40.36 | Renze | sucky |
| 08:40.44 | AegeanLinux | Renze: I got an Logitech G-5 Mouse with my new KB. |
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| 08:40.55 | AegeanLinux | and that ~ 2000 dpi /me thinks :) |
| 08:41.09 | Renze | AegeanLinux: that's nice... gamer :D |
| 08:41.11 | qupada | i still win |
| 08:41.13 | qupada | i have 5080dpi |
| 08:41.16 | Renze | lpi, actually :D |
| 08:41.18 | qupada | same thing |
| 08:41.27 | AegeanLinux | Renze: I don't game... apart from the odd anger releaser of GTA::VC :) |
| 08:42.16 | AegeanLinux | The G5 mouse is strange to get used to |
| 08:42.25 | qupada | all logitech mice are |
| 08:42.26 | alsuren | has anyone ever tried openGL over a VNC? |
| 08:42.39 | AegeanLinux | It is very nice |
| 08:42.43 | qupada | i don't know who they think they're designing them for, but none of logitech's stuff is exactly ergonomic |
| 08:42.45 | Renze | alsuren: that would be awful |
| 08:42.48 | AegeanLinux | alsuren: don't bother, unless on a high speed lan |
| 08:43.06 | AegeanLinux | qupada: I disagree, this keyboard is beut. |
| 08:43.07 | alsuren | but I mean: does it work? |
| 08:43.24 | AegeanLinux | alsuren: yes, but VERY slow. |
| 08:43.27 | alsuren | how does it get the rendered images back from the graphics card? |
| 08:43.34 | qupada | AegeanLinux: i meant mice, within a margin of error, keyboards are keyboards |
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| 08:43.34 | AegeanLinux | It doesn't |
| 08:43.35 | alsuren | or does it hand render them? |
| 08:43.50 | AegeanLinux | Oh, KK. |
| 08:43.53 | Renze | alsuren: it just grabs whatever is on the screen |
| 08:44.20 | AegeanLinux | qupada: Well, this mouse you can change the weight, by removing weights out of the mouse, and hence, the mouse is quite light |
| 08:44.31 | Renze | alsuren: vnc is like a really bad video codec |
| 08:44.46 | AegeanLinux | I have No Machine :). |
| 08:44.52 | AegeanLinux | (FreeNX to be exact) |
| 08:44.57 | Renze | nx is nothing like vnc |
| 08:45.05 | AegeanLinux | It sort of is . |
| 08:45.20 | Renze | no, it is the X protocol with compression |
| 08:45.32 | Renze | vnc transmits the (badly) encoded video |
| 08:45.34 | AegeanLinux | It's a bit like TrueVNC ;) |
| 08:45.45 | Renze | under the hood they are nothing alike |
| 08:45.52 | AegeanLinux | or whatever its called :P |
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| 08:47.05 | alsuren | alright, so has anyone *actually* tried GL over VNC? |
| 08:47.21 | Renze | I haven't... I'm not that silly |
| 08:47.33 | qupada | only own one pc |
| 08:47.36 | qupada | :P |
| 08:47.38 | alsuren | I just think it would be interesting |
| 08:47.45 | AegeanLinux | Renze: Here is your mouse: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2142,CONTENTID=11121 |
| 08:48.04 | Renze | that's not my mouse... mine is a Kensington Mouse-In-A-Box |
| 08:48.12 | qupada | http://www.wacom.com.sg/price/intuos3/intuos3_A4.html |
| 08:48.16 | qupada | ^^ my 'mouse' |
| 08:48.22 | AegeanLinux | OK, but that's the mouse I will buy you Renze |
| 08:48.34 | Renze | qupada: one of those is on my list... along with the Intuos3 Mouse |
| 08:48.42 | Renze | AegeanLinux: I will burn it |
| 08:48.57 | AegeanLinux | did you see it :) |
| 08:49.01 | Renze | yes |
| 08:49.09 | qupada | Renze: i'm planning on one of the other pens for mine at least, i don't really need or want the tablet mouse |
| 08:49.58 | Renze | qupada: I think it would probably take a while for me to get used to just using the pen |
| 08:50.12 | qupada | the nice thing is if you have more than one input device, in gimp (still my favourite editor, krita has a way to go yet), you can give each one a different brush, colour, etc |
| 08:50.20 | AegeanLinux | OOooo,o qupada, DTU-710 <--- Wacom Site |
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| 08:50.36 | AegeanLinux | It's like an LCD screen with a pen |
| 08:50.38 | AegeanLinux | WOW! |
| 08:50.46 | Renze | AegeanLinux: look at the price |
| 08:50.54 | AegeanLinux | I know. But still :S |
| 08:50.57 | AegeanLinux | Wow. |
| 08:51.11 | Renze | AegeanLinux: you'd think you've never seen a tablet PC before :D |
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| 08:51.24 | qupada | AegeanLinux: yeah, horribly expensive, and i've been told the screen itself isn't wonderful (in terms of colour rendering etc) |
| 08:51.31 | AegeanLinux | meh, I heard that Tablet PC's don't work well with Linux |
| 08:51.39 | qupada | http://www.nz.wacom-asia.com/products/cintiq/cintiq21x/cintiq21x.html |
| 08:51.43 | AegeanLinux | Renze: So unless you can tell me a better idea ... |
| 08:51.45 | qupada | ^^ and you were looking at the wrong one |
| 08:51.52 | qupada | 21.3", 1600x1200 model |
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| 08:52.07 | Renze | I'll buy that for a dollar! |
| 08:52.16 | qupada | Renze: you can buy it for about $5000 |
| 08:52.28 | AegeanLinux | Make it $2 and it's mine ;) |
| 08:52.29 | Renze | qupada: can I borrow $4999? :) |
| 08:52.37 | qupada | Renze: depends, i' |
| 08:52.47 | qupada | i'm* sure we can arrange a suitably high interest rate |
| 08:52.56 | Renze | 0% |
| 08:52.56 | AegeanLinux | lol :) |
| 08:53.19 | alsuren | I'll stick with trying to hack my £50 PDA |
| 08:53.35 | Renze | your £50 POS? |
| 08:53.44 | AegeanLinux | POS - lol :) |
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| 08:54.24 | AegeanLinux | Renze: You still havn't told me if there are any tablets that work 99% fine under Linux ;) |
| 08:54.35 | Renze | AegeanLinux: send me some, and I'll find out :D |
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| 08:54.59 | alsuren | what I really want is a PDA with ethernet that will run linux, but the closest thing to that is a laptop, and I *hate* laptops |
| 08:55.02 | Renze | otherwise, ask google :) |
| 08:55.16 | qupada | there is one more problem with the integrated tablet/monitor deal |
| 08:55.21 | AegeanLinux | Google's my friend ;) |
| 08:55.30 | qupada | you have to calibrate it to make sure where you hit with the pen is where it draws on the screen |
| 08:55.31 | AegeanLinux | qupada: and that is ... |
| 08:55.32 | alsuren | google is *everyone's* friend |
| 08:55.37 | qupada | don't have that hassle with a regular tablet |
| 08:55.42 | Renze | google is my bitch |
| 08:55.54 | AegeanLinux | OK, abondon Google, Yahoo! |
| 08:56.20 | alsuren | isn't yahoo's no.1 search string "google"? |
| 08:56.25 | AegeanLinux | qupada: What do you think about Yahoo7 |
| 08:56.36 | AegeanLinux | And Google's #2 is Yahoo! |
| 08:57.04 | qupada | AegeanLinux: google give me free email with gigs of storage and satellite images. what more is there to say? |
| 08:57.29 | AegeanLinux | Well, I get free email, with 200GB. |
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| 08:57.45 | AegeanLinux | and at work they have one of those Blue Google Box thingies |
| 08:57.50 | alsuren | anyone tried google callendars? |
| 08:58.04 | AegeanLinux | which gives you better images then Google Earth. |
| 08:58.08 | AegeanLinux | I win :) |
| 08:58.59 | AegeanLinux | http://earth.google.com/earth_server.html <<=== |
| 08:59.23 | qupada | that's not blue |
| 08:59.29 | AegeanLinux | Yes it is :/ |
| 08:59.44 | AegeanLinux | Looked blue yesterday at work ... |
| 09:00.05 | AegeanLinux | unless it got painted over the period of 19.5 hours ... |
| 09:00.22 | qupada | ha |
| 09:00.39 | AegeanLinux | qupada: BTW, I am moving the ALi server tomorow. |
| 09:01.06 | AegeanLinux | 450GB storage. |
| 09:01.29 | Q-collective | ALi? You're a masochist? |
| 09:01.43 | AegeanLinux | hey ? |
| 09:02.35 | AegeanLinux | ALi = AegeanLinux <== |
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| 09:02.53 | Q-collective | right :) |
| 09:03.05 | Q-collective | thought you meant the hw manufacturer |
| 09:03.15 | Q-collective | which is utter crap |
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| 09:08.08 | ironfroggy | any ieas why i would get an error when trying to save a remote resource, but the resource seems to have been updated just fine? |
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| 09:29.52 | g-henna | hi everyone! |
| 09:30.03 | g-henna | i'm on kubuntu dapper and i have the following problem: |
| 09:30.19 | g-henna | i have a problem printing landscape pdfs from kpdf: while printing from ooo works fine, if i export to pdf, then it is actually printed on portrait format and with a part truncated |
| 09:30.26 | g-henna | see this bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/+bug/47649 |
| 09:30.31 | g-henna | and in addition, in the kdeprint window, the part to select paper orientation is greyed out, so i cannot change it. in print preview, i actually already see that it will go wrong |
| 09:30.35 | g-henna | how can i work around this? |
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| 09:33.12 | PhilRod | try running kprinter, open the file there, and see if you can set landscape there |
| 09:34.32 | g-henna | PhilRod: hey cool, i can select it there :-) |
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| 09:35.22 | g-henna | just can't test the printing itself right now |
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| 10:58.36 | nik | hiya |
| 10:58.59 | AegeanLinux | hi nik |
| 10:59.06 | nik | I like yakuake und would it love to use it via the caps lock key (?), the one above the left shift key...how to do this? |
| 10:59.18 | nik | I never used caps lock really... |
| 10:59.35 | benJIman|work | it is |
| 10:59.56 | benJIman|work | you'd have to use xmodmap to bind it to a random key like F30 or something, then set the hotkey for yaquake to that |
| 11:00.49 | PhilRod | there are instructions in the faq for doing that |
| 11:00.52 | PhilRod | ~win-key |
| 11:00.59 | apt | To set up the Windows key to open the K menu, follow these instructions: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2552334 |
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| 11:01.11 | PhilRod | there you go, the principle is the same |
| 11:02.05 | benJIman|work | heh didn't know about ~/.kde/env worth reading the FAQs even if you don't have Qs |
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| 11:05.20 | nik | thank you :) |
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| 11:16.43 | Verdi | hi |
| 11:16.53 | PhilRod | hi Verdi |
| 11:17.00 | Verdi | is there a way to set kde to use 800px resolution for a mouse by default? |
| 11:17.02 | nik | YUUHU, IT WORKS, UNFORTUNATELY...CAPS LOCK NORMAL WORKS TOO, HAVE TO REMOVE IT :/ |
| 11:17.18 | Verdi | when i set it in the peripherals tab it changes, but resets whenever i log back in |
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| 11:18.57 | Verdi | uses 400px even though i have Option "Resolution" "800" set in xorg.conf |
| 11:19.25 | benJIman|work | Verdi: are you using a logitech mouse? |
| 11:19.32 | benJIman|work | the xorg setting is just mouse speed |
| 11:19.49 | gribouille | hi |
| 11:19.57 | Verdi | benJIman|work: i am using a logitech 500mx |
| 11:20.19 | Verdi | yeah, the one in kde makes the mouse faster as well. which i like |
| 11:20.49 | Verdi | but whenever i log out the setting is changed back to 400px... any way to set it using maybe an autostart script? |
| 11:22.53 | benJIman|work | Verdi: in the kcontrol mouse module you can change the resolution to 800 |
| 11:23.13 | benJIman|work | it actually switches the mouse res |
| 11:23.37 | Verdi | benJIman|work: thats what i DO |
| 11:23.39 | Verdi | manually |
| 11:23.52 | Verdi | but whenever i log back out and in again the setting is changed back to 400px |
| 11:24.40 | benJIman|work | Verdi: set it with lmctrl then |
| 11:25.04 | Verdi | lmctrl? |
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| 11:25.42 | benJIman|work | ah it's renamed lomoco now |
| 11:26.18 | AoA | does somebody use hddtemp with ksensors ? |
| 11:29.20 | gribouille | hi |
| 11:31.08 | gribouille | I have configured the advanced settings for the kmail's mainwindow, so that it is minimized at startup, but to raise the window, I have to click twice on the icon in the dock |
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| 11:48.32 | cromo | anyone has any idea what could this bug be caused with? |
| 11:48.33 | cromo | http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/5241 |
| 11:48.47 | cromo | this seems to be not related to arch itself, but rather kde/hal |
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| 11:49.24 | cromo | and it is not permissions problem, as this bug appears under kde@root, too |
| 11:50.21 | cbr | can't it be that you installed the new dbus and the kde isnt yet compiled for that? |
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| 11:50.45 | wizard123 | cromo: is it really kde related problem? |
| 11:51.57 | cromo | wizard123: that's just my guess |
| 11:52.11 | cromo | but I am asking you guys if you have any idea what could be the reason for this behaviour |
| 11:52.19 | cromo | cbr: sure it could |
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| 11:52.36 | cbr | well that could probably cripple it |
| 11:52.42 | cbr | if that is the case |
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| 11:53.49 | cromo | although that would be weird, as I am using dbus and kde from arch repos without any changes |
| 11:54.17 | cromo | so this problem would be expirienced by many other people, too |
| 11:54.44 | cbr | but it isnt? |
| 11:54.48 | cromo | so far, there are only 2 of us |
| 11:55.02 | cromo | maybe there are more, but only 2 have reported this bug |
| 11:55.19 | cromo | and others say it works fine for them |
| 11:55.22 | cbr | is there something like packages.archlinuxwebsite.blah ? |
| 11:55.43 | cromo | yep |
| 11:55.56 | cromo | you can search for package at archlinux.org |
| 11:56.01 | cromo | there, you get more details |
| 11:57.01 | cbr | okay, my version is probably wrong because arch doesnt seem to have 0.90 yet |
| 11:57.20 | cromo | you mean dbus 0.9? |
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| 12:00.05 | LinuxCart | Hello |
| 12:00.25 | LinuxCart | I would like to establish a vnc connection to a hasfroch machine |
| 12:01.10 | LinuxCart | it is running a free vncserver, called realvnc |
| 12:01.33 | LinuxCart | and I'm trying to use krdc, but it takes too long and doesn't connect |
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| 12:19.33 | AegeanLinux | hi hi |
| 12:19.35 | elvstone | anyone know if there's a KDE ssh-askpass utility? |
| 12:20.28 | elvstone | found something on kdeapps, but it was ruby+korundrum and the whole shebang, which i don't have.. i'd like something small in C++.. |
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| 13:00.45 | BlackBsd | anyone have any ideas why the menus on the left hand side are not working on this website https://www.mygreatlakes.com/borrower/index.jsp in konqueror |
| 13:00.49 | BlackBsd | 3.5 |
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| 13:00.57 | BlackBsd | i think it used to work in 3.4 |
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| 13:33.50 | divansantana | Hey everyone! I have a Kubuntu LTSP server! It works awesomely! |
| 13:34.12 | divansantana | Ppl are loving KDE and Linux now! yey! In a work enviroment! I will send my story to kde :D |
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| 13:34.18 | Sho_ | divansantana: cool :) |
| 13:34.33 | divansantana | Wanted to ask a question, maybe if someone knows, I want to be able to auto logout people that are inactive |
| 13:34.50 | divansantana | So if they just leave and leave there session logged in KDE must autolog them out... |
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| 13:34.54 | divansantana | Is that possible? |
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| 13:35.02 | divansantana | Thanks :) ;) |
| 13:36.47 | divansantana | any ideas anyone? Sho_? |
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| 13:37.26 | egarim | how could i enable mouse gesture in konqueror ? |
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| 13:42.46 | pinotree | egarim: kcontrol -> regional & accessibilty -> input actions |
| 13:43.29 | egarim | thx |
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| 13:49.08 | AegeanLinux | WOWA! |
| 13:49.08 | AegeanLinux | I heard that KBFX is part of KDE 4 |
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| 13:50.33 | pinotree | wlll be part of plasma |
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| 13:53.55 | AegeanLinux | pinotree: That's pretty cool |
| 13:53.59 | AegeanLinux | and I like kickstart too |
| 13:54.05 | AegeanLinux | I was all like "WOW!" |
| 13:54.22 | AegeanLinux | Now I **really** can't wait for KDE4. |
| 13:54.52 | AegeanLinux | pinotree: when was the last time you build SVN ? |
| 13:55.04 | pinotree | trunk or 3.5? |
| 13:55.10 | AegeanLinux | trunk of course :P |
| 13:55.20 | pinotree | hmm... 1 hour ago? |
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| 13:55.46 | AegeanLinux | Is it stablish ? |
| 13:55.56 | AegeanLinux | or is it "Click K - Krash!" |
| 13:56.11 | pinotree | i build only kdelibs, no base |
| 13:56.20 | AegeanLinux | ahhh, KK :) |
| 13:56.36 | pinotree | that's pretty enough for my needs |
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| 14:02.18 | pinotree | yo tech9iner |
| 14:02.22 | tech9iner | ;] |
| 14:03.12 | tech9iner | found a nice Konversation update this am btw Sho_ ;].. nice.. |
| 14:03.22 | tech9iner | i.e Suse 10.1 repos |
| 14:05.36 | q_e_d | Hi everybody |
| 14:05.52 | q_e_d | I have a problem with raising windows through dcop calls |
| 14:06.15 | Sho_ | tech9iner: Hm we haven't released anything post-1.0 yet |
| 14:06.21 | q_e_d | I use the following script with korn in order to automatically retrieve email |
| 14:06.34 | tech9iner | Sho_ hmmm indeed then?.. |
| 14:06.41 | q_e_d | dcop kmail kmail-mainwindow#1 restore |
| 14:06.46 | q_e_d | dcop kmail kmail-mainwindow#1 raise |
| 14:06.48 | Sho_ | tech9iner: perhaps they fixed a problem with their package or something |
| 14:06.51 | q_e_d | dcop kmail default openReader |
| 14:06.56 | tech9iner | konversation-1.0-7.1 probably Sho_ |
| 14:06.57 | q_e_d | dcop kmail default checkMail |
| 14:07.13 | q_e_d | It's supposed to raise kmail's window |
| 14:07.14 | Sho_ | q_e_d: In the future, please use a pastebin for things like that :) |
| 14:07.26 | q_e_d | For four lines? |
| 14:07.28 | tech9iner | Sho_ lol. well. you n Konversation teammates as you know. get more creds than suse any ole day lol |
| 14:07.28 | q_e_d | ;) |
| 14:07.36 | q_e_d | Ok |
| 14:07.43 | Sho_ | q_e_d: Yes, for four lines ... |
| 14:07.54 | q_e_d | ok, Sho_. No problem |
| 14:08.12 | Sho_ | tech9iner: 1.0.1 should happen end-of-September-ish |
| 14:08.32 | q_e_d | The problem is kmail's window doesn't raise |
| 14:08.33 | q_e_d | :( |
| 14:08.59 | q_e_d | I'm using the latest debian unstable packages |
| 14:09.16 | tech9iner | niyice Sho_ .. love the insider trading track tips hehe |
| 14:09.20 | Sho_ | q_e_d: kwin's focus prevention level, probably |
| 14:09.26 | Sho_ | *focus stealing prevention level |
| 14:09.43 | q_e_d | Sho_: where can I adjust it? |
| 14:10.30 | Sho_ | q_e_d: KControl -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Advanced |
| 14:11.13 | q_e_d | Sho_: Ok. I've seen it. It's set to low |
| 14:11.29 | Sho_ | q_e_d: That's the default iirc |
| 14:11.39 | q_e_d | I'll try on none... |
| 14:12.21 | q_e_d | Sho_: It worked! thanks (again) |
| 14:12.24 | q_e_d | :) |
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| 14:13.13 | Sho_ | np |
| 14:14.06 | q_e_d | Sho_: btw, what has to do focus prevention with window raising? |
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| 14:14.27 | Sho_ | q_e_d: Well Focus Stealing Prevention prevents applications from stealing focus from the window that you set it to |
| 14:14.59 | Sho_ | q_e_d: I.e. if the focus stealing prevention is sufficiently stringent, it will not allow that window to be raised above the one you're using at that time, i.e. not allow it to seal focus |
| 14:15.01 | Sho_ | *steal |
| 14:15.20 | q_e_d | Sho_: ok, but I don't want the kmail window to get the focus, only to raise over the others |
| 14:15.51 | q_e_d | Sho_: In fact, puting the control to 'none' does not give the focus to kmail |
| 14:15.57 | Sho_ | q_e_d: You might be able to put something together with kwin's window-specific settings (see kcontrol) |
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| 14:16.19 | Sho_ | q_e_d: i.e. focus stealing prevention = do not affect, accept focus = false, something like that, dunno .. try :) |
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| 14:20.59 | AegeanLinux | So, how is #kde going to celebrate 10 years of KDE in October ? |
| 14:21.54 | annma | hehe |
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| 14:22.04 | annma | in many ways! |
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| 14:22.18 | SMiLeaf | annma: you gonna sing and do a dance? |
| 14:22.25 | annma | lol |
| 14:22.35 | pinotree | SMiLeaf: no please, i want my ears sane |
| 14:22.50 | SMiLeaf | XD |
| 14:22.56 | annma | ;) |
| 14:23.29 | SMiLeaf | Ok then.. just a dance then. |
| 14:23.41 | annma | i am a lousy dancer as well |
| 14:23.50 | annma | (except slows) |
| 14:23.59 | SMiLeaf | (likewise) |
| 14:24.29 | AegeanLinux | a-ha, but what else :P |
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| 14:24.54 | annma | AegeanLinux: paties in some town, install-parties, |
| 14:24.57 | annma | th eusual |
| 14:25.01 | annma | the usual |
| 14:25.14 | annma | biggest will be in Germany |
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| 14:43.01 | shwouchk | hi |
| 14:44.31 | AegeanLinux | hi |
| 14:44.52 | AegeanLinux | G'night shwouchk and everyone else |
| 14:45.06 | pinotree | night AegeanLinux |
| 14:45.35 | shwouchk | I am using kde 3.5.2-r2... is dbus supposed to start automatically? |
| 14:45.42 | shwouchk | AegeanLinux: good night |
| 14:46.14 | pinotree | shwouchk: no, your distro is supposed to launch it |
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| 14:49.11 | shwouchk | pinotree: I mean |
| 14:49.30 | shwouchk | well, my distro is surely not supposed to do anything automatically |
| 14:49.40 | shwouchk | or almost :) (gentoo) |
| 14:49.47 | shwouchk | I have dbus running |
| 14:50.28 | shwouchk | but various applications which were compiled with dbus support complain about not finding the address of the message bus |
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| 14:51.04 | pinotree | it's not a kde fault |
| 14:53.01 | shwouchk | I see |
| 14:53.13 | shwouchk | do you happen to know who's fault is it? |
| 14:53.54 | DuClare | whose* |
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| 14:54.09 | shwouchk | yeah |
| 14:54.14 | shwouchk | typo |
| 14:54.17 | pinotree | maybe the dbus bus was not correctly started? not sure |
| 14:54.26 | shwouchk | well |
| 14:54.44 | DuClare | what is dbus? ^^ |
| 14:54.49 | shwouchk | the hal daemon and ivmon work correctly, so I doubt that |
| 14:55.31 | DuClare | oh. |
| 14:55.41 | shwouchk | :) |
| 14:56.15 | DuClare | I don't know what it actually does but I've never had a problem with it.. (gentoo) |
| 14:56.59 | XVampireX | generation two |
| 14:57.20 | shwouchk | DuClare: did you compile stuff against dbus? |
| 14:57.38 | pinotree | in any case, not a kde fault, so offtopic here |
| 14:58.19 | DuClare | shwouchk: not unless it's in the default useflags |
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| 14:58.31 | shwouchk | k |
| 14:58.34 | DuClare | I do have dbus installed tho. |
| 14:58.41 | DuClare | can you give an example package that uses it? |
| 14:58.49 | shwouchk | xchat |
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| 14:59.06 | DuClare | hmm. |
| 14:59.10 | DuClare | it's not an useflag then+ |
| 14:59.12 | DuClare | ?* |
| 14:59.37 | DuClare | net-irc/xchat-2.4.5 USE="ipv6 nls perl python ssl -tcl -xchatdccserver -xchatnogtk -xchattext" |
| 15:00.04 | SMiLeaf | since when does xchat use dbus? |
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| 15:01.09 | SMiLeaf | then I have been out of that after konversation came out. |
| 15:01.32 | DuClare | I suppose dbus is being automatically used if it's needed? It's not an use flag? |
| 15:01.55 | SMiLeaf | DuClare: well its not like kde has a qt flag ;) |
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| 15:02.12 | shwouchk | DuClare: I have it in the use flags |
| 15:02.20 | shwouchk | DuClare: what version do you have? |
| 15:02.28 | DuClare | version of what? |
| 15:02.38 | SMiLeaf | shwouchk: at any rate this discussion would be best taken over to #gentoo |
| 15:03.01 | shwouchk | DuClare: xhcat |
| 15:03.13 | DuClare | none installed but 2.4.5 in portage |
| 15:03.36 | shwouchk | SMiLeaf: cmon, there is almost no talk here anyway |
| 15:03.39 | DuClare | do you get any packages when you run 'equery hasuse dbus' ? |
| 15:03.53 | SMiLeaf | shwouchk: gotta keep things on topic ya know ;) |
| 15:04.02 | pinotree | shwouchk: it's not matter of _who's in here_, but _topic_ |
| 15:04.07 | shwouchk | SMiLeaf: you mean you actually like konversation? |
| 15:04.13 | SMiLeaf | shwouchk: yes |
| 15:04.44 | DuClare | pinotree: does it hurt anybody if somebody talks out of topic? |
| 15:05.21 | shwouchk | SMiLeaf: oh, I dont actually have konversation... I thought you meant the default kde irc client |
| 15:05.32 | pinotree | DuClare: yes, the channel |
| 15:05.44 | shwouchk | SMiLeaf: I have xchat 2-6.6 available |
| 15:05.49 | SMiLeaf | DuClare: so does that mean we should just keep off topic just cuz no one is talking at that moment? that we should change the topic? |
| 15:05.51 | Sho_ | shwouchk: Try Konversation some time =) |
| 15:06.21 | SMiLeaf | shwouchk: I got rid of xchat as soon as I tried konversation.. fits in much nicer, better interface. |
| 15:06.26 | shwouchk | Sho_: emerging it as we speak |
| 15:06.42 | pinotree | shwouchk: imagine someone asking for help that joins _now_ and see you talking about xchat... what would he think? |
| 15:06.58 | DuClare | pinotree: it wouldn't bother me. |
| 15:07.10 | pinotree | it would bother _HIM_ |
| 15:07.18 | DuClare | well, if I was HIM |
| 15:07.21 | shwouchk | SMiLeaf: you gotta remember that the channels are here for the users, and not the other way around... |
| 15:07.40 | SMiLeaf | DuClare: really it doesn't matter if it bothers anyone or not.. xchat is not the topic here end of story. |
| 15:07.40 | shwouchk | pinotree: yes, what WOULD he think? |
| 15:07.45 | pinotree | shwouchk: you gotta remember there are many channels around, each with each topic |
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| 15:07.50 | Sho_ | shwouchk: Get 1.0 from ~x86 tho' |
| 15:08.04 | pinotree | shwouchk: he would getting confused for sure, like happended more than once |
| 15:08.34 | shwouchk | Sho_: damn, I started getting 0.19 |
| 15:08.37 | shwouchk | ill get 1.0 |
| 15:08.41 | Sho_ | shwouchk: :) |
| 15:09.05 | XVampireX | You know |
| 15:09.09 | XVampireX | I got an awesome idea for KDE |
| 15:09.39 | HugMySoul | Let me guess. |
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| 15:09.47 | XVampireX | something like dcop/knotify/grep combination for IRC |
| 15:10.03 | shwouchk | DuClare: [I--] [ ] mail-client/evolution-2.6.2-r1 (2.0), [I--] [ -] app-emulation/cedega-5.2.3 (3), [I--] [ ] app-text/evince-0.5.3-r1 (0), [I--] [ ~] net-wireless/wpa_supplicant-0.5.5 (0), [I--] [ ~] net-im/gaim-2.0.0_pre20060801 (0), [I--] [ ] net-dns/avahi-0.6.10 (0), [I--] [ ] net-irc/xchat-2.6.6 (2), [I--] [ ] media-video/totem-1.4.2-r1 (0) |
| 15:10.10 | HugMySoul | Ow I thought about letting it draw a cow, then cow comes to life that sort of thing. |
| 15:10.24 | pinotree | (sigh...) |
| 15:10.31 | HugMySoul | ^^ |
| 15:10.41 | shwouchk | pinotree: he would get confused? are you assuming hes stupid? |
| 15:10.43 | Zombie | Are there any KDE utilities I ca boast for Hardware Diagnostic comperable to SiSoft Sandra? |
| 15:10.51 | XVampireX | I.E: you send a dcop message to say, konversation, to grep from all the channels you're in with the related information |
| 15:10.54 | DuClare | shwouchk: oh. So it is a legit useflag after all :). Well, I don't have it enabled.. I'm clueless -- sorry |
| 15:10.58 | XVampireX | then it pops up in knotify |
| 15:11.01 | XVampireX | or something like that. |
| 15:11.01 | pinotree | shwouchk: no no, i'm just recalling things already happened |
| 15:11.16 | HugMySoul | But on the IRC topic, why is Ksirc still the default IRC client? |
| 15:11.23 | shwouchk | XVampireX: that sounds interesting |
| 15:11.49 | pinotree | HugMySoul: Sho_ could give you the answer... |
| 15:11.58 | shwouchk | pinotree: I think someone would be more confused about people talking about dcop and grep (even if on topic |
| 15:12.01 | shwouchk | ) |
| 15:12.06 | shwouchk | then about xchat here |
| 15:12.31 | Sho_ | HugMySoul: Because the KDE 3.x series of releases is committed to backward compatibility, which means you cannot just replace applications for a 3.x release |
| 15:12.44 | pinotree | then do whatever you want, let's burn these fucking channels and use only one for all the topics! |
| 15:12.58 | benJIman|work | Sho_: well kopete is |
| 15:13.19 | Sho_ | benJIman|work: Hm, Kopete replaced a prior multi-protocol IM client within 3.x? |
| 15:13.21 | shwouchk | pinotree: cmon, dont get mad |
| 15:13.37 | benJIman|work | Sho_: no but new version going into .5 |
| 15:13.39 | pinotree | Sho_: kig replaced kgeo starting from kde 3.2 |
| 15:13.40 | Zombie | Hello? |
| 15:13.56 | Sho_ | benJIman|work: Well that's different from replacing an app :) |
| 15:14.15 | DuClare | Oh. So this place has become one of these stupid forums where *natural* conversation is not allowed. |
| 15:14.22 | Sho_ | DuClare: Yes |
| 15:14.26 | shwouchk | pinotree: Im not saying that, but I think if two people (or more) wanna exchange a few words about a subject other then topic, they dont have to go somewhere else... Dont be that strict... |
| 15:14.29 | Sho_ | DuClare: Actually, it always was one of those stupid places |
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| 15:14.48 | Sho_ | pinotree: Well I assume that kdeedu was all behind that ... KSirc has its fans among the upper echelons of KDE :) |
| 15:14.59 | DuClare | well.. |
| 15:15.01 | shwouchk | Sho_: heh |
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| 15:15.16 | shwouchk | Sho_: seriously? |
| 15:15.17 | Sho_ | But we also never pursued KDE inclusion |
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| 15:15.35 | Sho_ | And since we haven't started porting yet, it's probably too late for 4.0 too even if we wanted to :) |
| 15:15.46 | pinotree | Sho_: why late? |
| 15:15.47 | benJIman|work | Sho_: don't do it |
| 15:15.56 | XVampireX | 4.0 |
| 15:16.01 | HugMySoul | Ugh. But KSirc is so bad. It messes up even after joining multiple channels and then parting one. |
| 15:16.02 | Sho_ | benJIman|work: I'm not a big fan of including everything with the core distro, anyway |
| 15:16.03 | benJIman|work | Sho_: kopete is included in kde and it really shouldn't be, same to a lesser extent for konversation |
| 15:16.18 | benJIman|work | you need a faster release cycle than kde |
| 15:16.26 | pinotree | benJIman|work: why shouldn't kopete be in kde? |
| 15:16.30 | Sho_ | pinotree: A while ago we were told we'd have to have it up and running by Akademy if we wanted to get in iirc |
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| 15:16.53 | benJIman|work | pinotree: because it needs a more frequent release cycle than kde |
| 15:17.05 | Sho_ | pinotree: And we don't really feel like doing a hasty botched port :) |
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| 15:17.08 | benJIman|work | pinotree: kopete particularly, as protocols are often broken, and users don't want to have to wait 2 months for their msn to work again |
| 15:17.09 | pinotree | Sho_: don't tell me you can't have it running in more than 30 days of human work... |
| 15:17.24 | shwouchk | Sho_: its funny theres such a big leap from stable to unstable |
| 15:17.42 | pinotree | benJIman|work: kde modules are (should) be designed to provide basics apps for everyday's work |
| 15:17.43 | Sho_ | shwouchk: 1.0 is the release following 0.19 |
| 15:18.29 | benJIman|work | pinotree: it's not practical for kopete to be in kde network because of the reasons I said |
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| 15:18.47 | benJIman|work | pinotree: you try telling users they have to wait 2-6months until they can use msn again |
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| 15:18.56 | shwouchk | Sho_: oh |
| 15:19.00 | shwouchk | Sho_: heh |
| 15:19.12 | shwouchk | running fast with version numbers? |
| 15:19.53 | Sho_ | shwouchk: After four years, 15+ public releases, multiple distros installing us by default and eight month of polishing we kinda felt it was time to let go of the "we're unstable" versioning scheme |
| 15:20.14 | shwouchk | Sho_: :D |
| 15:20.19 | Sho_ | ;) |
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| 15:26.13 | HugMySoul | So, anyone knows why /parting a channel in KSirc gives you some "status" messages through your current window? Not that I use it (anymore), but I always wondered how such a buggy thing could be in KDE. |
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| 15:26.55 | Sho_ | AFAIK KSirc is basically unmaintained for years |
| 15:27.19 | HugMySoul | Aye okay. |
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| 15:28.38 | HugMySoul | What a waste! Now there's KSirc eating up 2MB of HDD space ;-) |
| 15:29.05 | benJIman|work | suse put it in kdenetwork3-IRC |
| 15:29.09 | benJIman|work | so you can remove it |
| 15:29.41 | HugMySoul | Ha nice. |
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| 15:31.39 | Sho_ | HugMySoul: Someone also told me that Konversation is part of the default KDE installation selection in recent versions of SuSE |
| 15:33.11 | HugMySoul | Okay. Well I don't use SuSE (and in fact, not even Konversation, sorry... irssi for me at the moment), but Konversation seems to be a lot more mature. |
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| 15:33.51 | LinuxCart | benJIman|work: (candeourous question) why then isn't kopete put out of kdenetwork¿? |
| 15:33.58 | Sho_ | HugMySoul: The only proper way to run irssi is inside a Konsole tab in Konversation! |
| 15:34.08 | Sho_ | :) |
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| 15:35.12 | HugMySoul | Well I'm having irssi on an old SparcStation now, so it runs all the time. Unlike my desktop. |
| 15:35.32 | HugMySoul | But yeah, that would be the most useless thing ever :-) |
| 15:36.14 | Sho_ | HugMySoul: Since irssi can function as proxy in addition to a client, you could also connect with Konvi to your irssi whenever your X is running |
| 15:36.26 | Sho_ | if you wanted to ;) |
| 15:37.45 | HugMySoul | Mmm true. |
| 15:38.37 | benJIman|work | LinuxCart: it should be. |
| 15:38.42 | benJIman|work | LinuxCart: packagers really really don't like it being in kdenetwork |
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| 15:41.05 | i_is_cat | damn it |
| 15:41.11 | i_is_cat | avis wont play now :( |
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| 15:42.20 | shwouchkster | Sho_: :) |
| 15:42.36 | i_is_cat | i dont need special divx codecs or something do i? :/ |
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| 15:52.25 | gufymike | hey, I'm trying to use kpf to share a simple dir, tho it responds to my hostname, and internal ip, it doesn't respond on my external ip, tho I have forwarded the port(s) in my router, is there a reason for this with in kde? (I read the manual, it says zero security was taken) |
| 15:52.50 | Sho_ | gufymike: Works fine here for me ... |
| 15:53.24 | gufymike | thanks Sho_, hmmm oki back in to the router |
| 15:53.49 | Sho_ | gufymike: http://dyndns.eikehein.com:1780/ is served by KPF |
| 15:54.03 | kash | anyone use kbtv |
| 15:54.05 | gufymike | Sho_: I'm trying without a hostmask and just the ip |
| 15:54.41 | Sho_ | gufymike: And the router forwards :1780 to a box in the LAN |
| 15:55.17 | gufymike | right, I'm looking at :8001-5 forwarded to the correct box in the lan |
| 15:55.47 | kash | what firewall? |
| 15:56.21 | gufymike | thanks kash, forgot about iptables |
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| 15:56.44 | gufymike | it works now. |
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| 15:56.51 | kash | yuck, linux. |
| 15:56.58 | Sho_ | yum, linux :) |
| 15:57.08 | gufymike | yum yum on liunx :P |
| 15:57.40 | kash | yum idiots. |
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| 15:59.00 | gufymike | kash even worse my second yum was a refrence to the package manager (I'm on fc5) |
| 15:59.08 | Sho_ | hehe |
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| 15:59.36 | marccollin | hi |
| 15:59.47 | Sho_ | hi marccollin |
| 15:59.57 | marccollin | somebody know if qt designer have a frame component |
| 16:00.01 | marccollin | to group component? |
| 16:00.32 | Sho_ | marccollin: You're probably looking for layouts? |
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| 16:01.49 | marccollin | not really |
| 16:02.21 | Sho_ | marccollin: Well, do you mean a behavior or something visual? :) |
| 16:02.29 | Sho_ | marccollin: If you mean something visual, it's Containers -> Frame |
| 16:02.36 | marccollin | visual......i found.... groupbox.... |
| 16:03.26 | LinuxCart | benJIman|work: who should take that decission(split kopete and kdenetwork) |
| 16:03.29 | LinuxCart | ¿? |
| 16:04.20 | thiago | LinuxCart: it's mostly already taken |
| 16:04.47 | Sho_ | thiago: To what end? |
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| 16:05.43 | lfranchi | can anyone recommend to me a 3d graphing tool in KDE? ( or in general if necessary i guess ) |
| 16:06.27 | thiago | Sho_: to make kopete a separate project (like kdevelop) |
| 16:07.09 | Sho_ | Sets an interesting precedent, certainly |
| 16:07.42 | thiago | kdevelop already has |
| 16:07.49 | i_is_cat | gosh darn it!@# :/ |
| 16:07.58 | i_is_cat | i spent 3 days downloading |
| 16:08.01 | i_is_cat | and now it wont play |
| 16:08.03 | i_is_cat | someone help |
| 16:08.06 | Sho_ | Not really - KDevelop isn't really part of the end-user environment |
| 16:08.25 | LinuxCart | Sho_: true |
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| 16:08.33 | LinuxCart | but something has to be done |
| 16:08.49 | thiago | Sho_: Kopete represents over 50% of the code in kdenetwork |
| 16:08.55 | LinuxCart | i.e.: amarok is a standalone app |
| 16:09.03 | thiago | it has its own release cycle |
| 16:09.10 | Sho_ | thiago: I'm not criticizing the decision - I'm cautiously optimistic about it, actually |
| 16:09.18 | Sho_ | thiago: Just pondering where it might lead us to :) |
| 16:09.54 | thiago | actually, Kopete will stick to the KDE release cycle (as will KDevelop) |
| 16:10.42 | LinuxCart | thiago: I don't think so |
| 16:11.18 | LinuxCart | as I was talking to benJIman|work 0.12 is not into 3.5.4 |
| 16:11.41 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: It will be in 3.5.5, however |
| 16:12.20 | LinuxCart | but not on debian etch |
| 16:12.32 | pinotree | LinuxCart: ? |
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| 16:12.43 | LinuxCart | next debian stable release |
| 16:12.56 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: Why would Debian Etch ship KDE 3.5.5 and not include the Kopete it ships? |
| 16:12.58 | pinotree | i know what etch is |
| 16:13.02 | LinuxCart | I know that no one is force to use debian, but we debian users could be concerned |
| 16:13.18 | LinuxCart | cause debian is frozen on 3.5.4 AFAIK |
| 16:13.21 | pinotree | LinuxCart: i'm a debian user too, why shouldn't kde 3.5.5 be in etch? |
| 16:13.26 | pinotree | ah |
| 16:13.29 | marccollin | i saw there is a couple of day a proprietary application to optimize kde application....... maybe somebody know it? |
| 16:13.32 | LinuxCart | debian (testing->future stable) |
| 16:13.51 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: Well the reason Kopete 0.12 was not put into KDE 3.5.x at the time was stability, and Debian tends to be concerned about stability, so there seems to be an alignment there |
| 16:14.00 | LinuxCart | pinotree: I was told on #debian-kde |
| 16:14.12 | pinotree | LinuxCart: i'll ask a DD |
| 16:14.25 | LinuxCart | pinotree: it wasn't on #debian-kde but... |
| 16:14.55 | LinuxCart | pinotree: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=373832 |
| 16:15.10 | LinuxCart | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=378383 |
| 16:15.15 | Sho_ | ... and I guess for me, Debian is really a server distro anyway |
| 16:15.23 | LinuxCart | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=382874 |
| 16:15.34 | LinuxCart | Sho_: don't think so |
| 16:15.54 | i_is_cat | are tehre any newer codecs than w32codec-al-20060611? |
| 16:15.58 | i_is_cat | all* |
| 16:15.58 | LinuxCart | why stable users aren't allowed to used desktop |
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| 16:16.08 | LinuxCart | i_is_cat: why¿? |
| 16:16.09 | thiago | Kopete 0.12 wasn't put on KDE 3.5.x because there had been no time to review the changes |
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| 16:16.19 | thiago | now there has been and KDE 3.5.5 will ship Kopete 0.12.2 |
| 16:16.22 | i_is_cat | because its installed and i can play most files but there are the odd ones that dont work |
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| 16:16.28 | i_is_cat | like the 9gb of videos i just finished |
| 16:16.30 | i_is_cat | none play |
| 16:16.33 | thiago | 0.12.3 I mean |
| 16:17.09 | LinuxCart | if kopete is ~50% of the kdenetwork code, shouldn't kdenetowrk pay a little more attention to kopete |
| 16:17.22 | LinuxCart | kopete 0.12 was released on June, IIRC |
| 16:17.24 | thiago | what do you mean? |
| 16:17.24 | i_is_cat | i don't like kopete |
| 16:17.39 | i_is_cat | my buddy loves it but i only use msn and i think amsn rules |
| 16:17.42 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: Manpower is finite, and as KDE 3.5.x is technically a mostls frozen stable branch, reviewing takes time, as it's done cautiously |
| 16:17.51 | Sho_ | *mostly |
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| 16:18.04 | LinuxCart | I understand both positions |
| 16:18.17 | thiago | another reason for the 0.12 merge is that the Kopete developers stopped maintaining 0.11, so bug fixes happen only in 0.12 |
| 16:18.27 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: For example, Kopete 0.12 breaks compatibility with styles written for 0.11 |
| 16:18.32 | LinuxCart | but maybe kdenetwork 3.5.4 should have waited for kopete 0.12 to be ready |
| 16:18.37 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: Which can be a jarring experience for users |
| 16:18.46 | LinuxCart | I don't mean 0.12.1 but at least 0.12 |
| 16:18.49 | thiago | LinuxCart: you mean, "maybe KDE 3.5.4 should have waited for Kopete 0.12 to be ready" |
| 16:19.00 | thiago | LinuxCart: which I don't agree to |
| 16:19.12 | berkes | can anyone help a n00b with some dcop scripting? |
| 16:19.21 | Sho_ | berkes: Well, I can try .. |
| 16:19.35 | Kronoz | can help if you don't ask |
| 16:19.35 | i_is_cat | so no one has any suggestions? |
| 16:19.37 | LinuxCart | thiago, could also be seen like that |
| 16:19.39 | Kronoz | can't* |
| 16:19.45 | berkes | I want to write a small shell script that finds whether or no kaudiocdcrator runs, |
| 16:20.07 | thiago | LinuxCart: it simply didn't happen for 3.5.4, but it has for 3.5.5 |
| 16:20.22 | Sho_ | berkes: check if "dcop kaudiocdcreator*" returns anything, I guess |
| 16:20.23 | berkes | if so, it should use dcop to add the current CD in that running window, else it should start a new session |
| 16:20.32 | LinuxCart | moreover, AFAIK kde has no deadline for future releases |
| 16:20.33 | thiago | LinuxCart: I was also very vocal against the merging without proper review, so giving devs and testers more time has benefitted us all |
| 16:20.39 | berkes | Sho_: cool, wildcards work. |
| 16:20.42 | thiago | LinuxCart: deadlines still exist. |
| 16:20.50 | LinuxCart | (which doesn't mean to delay them indefinately) |
| 16:20.58 | berkes | hmm, no, they don't ;) |
| 16:21.23 | Sho_ | berkes: work fine here |
| 16:21.45 | berkes | yea, its kaudiocreator without the cd :/ |
| 16:22.01 | LinuxCart | as I told I understand both positions, and if I don't agree on the current policy I should try to participate |
| 16:22.18 | LinuxCart | take into account that I'm not complaining, just observing |
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| 16:23.23 | thiago | LinuxCart: of course |
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| 16:24.00 | LinuxCart | I will (moraly) support kde, but I'm a little shock for what happened to kopete |
| 16:24.11 | thiago | what happened to Kopete? |
| 16:24.12 | LinuxCart | and hope that a solution is taken ASAP |
| 16:24.24 | LinuxCart | well, not being included into 3.5.4 |
| 16:24.32 | thiago | dude, the Kopete developers decided not to do it |
| 16:24.48 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: If the main Kopete developer hadn't gone on vacation, it would have been merged earlier |
| 16:24.53 | LinuxCart | so it was a decision of the kopete devs, not on the kdevelop devs¿? |
| 16:24.55 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: As I said, manpower is finite |
| 16:25.08 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: Kopete wasn't being actively excluded by anyone ... it's a team effort, not a KDE vs. Kopete thing |
| 16:25.18 | thiago | LinuxCart: KDevelop has nothing to do with it |
| 16:25.25 | LinuxCart | Sho_: kopete devs and kdenetwork devs are doing a great job and they have the right to have a rest |
| 16:25.26 | thiago | and please stop using ¿ |
| 16:25.50 | LinuxCart | but as it was told the kopete development pace is faster than the kdenetwork whole |
| 16:25.59 | thiago | the other kdenetwork developers have nothing to do with it either |
| 16:26.08 | LinuxCart | some action should be taken and you told is being taken |
| 16:26.18 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: Okay, let's go over it from the beginning |
| 16:26.27 | LinuxCart | thiago: sorry, spanish bad uses P) |
| 16:26.43 | thiago | LinuxCart: I'm sure you don't put ¿ at the end of sentences in Spanish. |
| 16:26.44 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: KDE currently has a KDE 3 stable release series. In this series, there have been new stable pont releases - from 3.1 to 3.5 - every couple of months. |
| 16:27.08 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: Usually, these 3.x release are then frozen, i.e. a 3.x.y would only ever include bug fixes, no new features |
| 16:27.15 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: For stability reasons |
| 16:27.38 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: Now, KDE 3.5.0 shipped with Kopete 0.11. KDE 3.5 ended up being the last KDE 3.x release, with the effort now on KDE 4.0 |
| 16:28.00 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: The Kopete developers, however, felt there was still life left in the KDE 3 version of Kopete, and decided to do a 0.12 for KDE 3 |
| 16:28.17 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: This 0.12 is not just a bugfix, it is a major feature release and explicitly breaks compatibility with 0.11 styles |
| 16:28.26 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: So, it would normally never have been included in a KDE 3.5.x release |
| 16:28.48 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: However, since there is not going to be a 3.6 and KDE 4.0 is still a while off, the KDE 3.5 branch has been slightly unfrozen to allow some new features |
| 16:29.04 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: This includes 0.12, which is probably the largest addition ever done in a stable maintenance release with KDE 3.5.5 |
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| 16:29.24 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: And for that to happen, KDE 0.12 needed to be very stable, which is only now, with Kopete 0.12.3, true |
| 16:29.46 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: And it also needed the Kopete developers to put in the time to merge it cautiously and properls, and for that, the manpower was not there in time |
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| 16:30.40 | LinuxCart | Sho_: this is the kind of explanation I've been searching for most of the day |
| 16:30.40 | gribouille | when I create a filter with kmail, will it be applied to the messages I have alrady received ? |
| 16:30.43 | LinuxCart | thank you Shaiku |
| 16:30.53 | LinuxCart | *Sho_: |
| 16:30.56 | LinuxCart | :P |
| 16:31.10 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: So, in fact, it is not "shocking" how Kopete was treated, in fact that Kopete 0.12 is being put into a KDE 3.5.x release at all is a very special exception |
| 16:31.16 | LinuxCart | gribouille: you can if you apply the filter to the selected messages |
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| 16:31.36 | LinuxCart | I see |
| 16:31.43 | gribouille | LinuxCart, so, I have to do it manually ? |
| 16:31.58 | LinuxCart | gribouille: think so |
| 16:32.11 | LinuxCart | Sho_: now I see things other way |
| 16:32.27 | gribouille | LinuxCart, what way ? |
| 16:32.52 | LinuxCart | but from Chris Martin explanation (see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=373832) |
| 16:33.11 | LinuxCart | and my base, I didn't get the concept |
| 16:33.12 | gufymike | gribouille: select all the messages and then right click and choose apply filters -> the filter you want |
| 16:33.27 | gribouille | gufymike, ok, thanks |
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| 16:36.56 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: Thing is, we all always have the impulse to have the latest and greatest in software, but sometimes one does need to restrain himself and be cautious for stability reasons ... users need to be able to rely on a KDE 3.5.x not being less stable than the previous version, but just be better, you know ... and if you're not cautious, regressions and breakage happens =) |
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| 16:37.34 | gribouille | I mean, there should be an option in the filter creation dialog to apply the filter to the existing messages |
| 16:37.38 | LinuxCart | Sho_: true |
| 16:38.13 | LinuxCart | there should be this kind of explanation some times on the Changelog :D |
| 16:38.17 | LinuxCart | you know |
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| 16:39.00 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: Lurking on the mailing lists can help ;) |
| 16:39.15 | planeflux | How can I permanently disable the navigation panel on the right side in Konqueror? |
| 16:39.49 | Sho_ | planeflux: F9, and then save the profile via Settings->Save View Profile... |
| 16:40.58 | LinuxCart | Sho_: could be but having such a perspective is oftenly quite difficult if you are not subscribed |
| 16:41.03 | planeflux | Sho_: awesome, thanks. :-) |
| 16:41.07 | Sho_ | planeflux: np |
| 16:41.32 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: I suppose the Kopete team could have put a post on their news page or something, yeah |
| 16:42.15 | LinuxCart | not bad idea |
| 16:42.41 | Sho_ | But with 3.5.5 coming soon, it's a non-issue I guess |
| 16:42.45 | LinuxCart | I'm much happier now I know |
| 16:43.19 | LinuxCart | changing topic... |
| 16:44.09 | LinuxCart | is it possible to right click on a folder and archive that folder with ark if the folder's on a (i.e.smb:/) url |
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| 16:50.43 | gufymike | LinuxCart: there is a service menu called backup to zip that appears to work, kde-apps.org will have it. (I personally haven't tried it, tho it shows up on a smb:/ folder) |
| 16:52.51 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: I'd expect it to work, but I don't have the facilities to test it, sorry |
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| 16:59.33 | lovelyx | how can I disable the wallet? |
| 17:01.09 | LinuxCart | my konqueror crashed when trying that |
| 17:01.32 | lovelyx | i mean kde forces me to use it |
| 17:01.56 | thiago | lovelyx: KDE Control Center, Security & Private, KDE Wallet |
| 17:02.09 | lovelyx | thiago, i dont have kwalletmanager |
| 17:02.17 | lovelyx | so i dont have that in kcontrol |
| 17:04.28 | thiago | ~/.kde/share/config/kwalletrc. Change Enabled to false |
| 17:05.22 | LinuxCart | could you please try this on konq...? |
| 17:05.23 | lovelyx | thanks |
| 17:05.24 | LinuxCart | http://www.paramountcomedy.es/pc.es/descargas/videos.jhtml;jsessionid=ZCYFUT3HZP0QJQFIAIISFEWAVABBEIV0?id=75132692 |
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| 17:06.56 | thiago | LinuxCart: works fine |
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| 17:10.10 | LinuxCart | thiago: even the video¿? |
| 17:10.25 | LinuxCart | did you notice slowliness or something strange¿? |
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| 17:11.25 | LinuxCart | I got this crash http://paste.debian.net/12991 at the very end of the loading |
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| 17:13.59 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: ¿ is a little annoying in English, btw ;) |
| 17:14.04 | hockyhair | where is kicker's conf kept i want to revert to default settings |
| 17:14.22 | Sho_ | hockyhair: ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc |
| 17:14.41 | LinuxCart | Sho_: I've already been warned, I'm very sorry, but forgive if I made a mistake I'm heavily used to that |
| 17:14.44 | thiago | LinuxCart: you're probably using Kaffeine. |
| 17:14.50 | thiago | LinuxCart: switch to KMplayer |
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| 17:15.09 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: Well it wasn't a warning from my end but only an ... opinion ;) |
| 17:15.09 | LinuxCart | do you think kaffeine is the cause of the crash¿? |
| 17:15.14 | hockyhair | Sho_: if i del it will i be alright? |
| 17:15.30 | Sho_ | hockyhair: Don't del, move it somewhere, in case you need a backup, but otherwise, yes |
| 17:15.36 | LinuxCart | I like to comply with channel "good uses" |
| 17:16.20 | gribouille | with kmail, is it possible to sort the folders not alphabetically ? |
| 17:16.32 | bsdfox | I hate kaffeine |
| 17:17.09 | hockyhair | im using kicker with openbox and i am not able to use transparency |
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| 17:18.11 | hockyhair | also id like the taskbar to use more of the bar |
| 17:18.28 | LinuxCart | how could I switch to kmplayer (embedded) |
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| 17:20.26 | hockyhair | Sho_: any idea how to do those things |
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| 17:21.12 | hockyhair | also id like to know how to change the panel font |
| 17:21.28 | Sho_ | hockyhair: I don't know OpenBox, sorry. Font settings are in KControl in the Appearance section. |
| 17:21.56 | hockyhair | what about taskbar using more of the panel? |
| 17:22.21 | Sho_ | hockyhair: You can change the base width of taskbar items in kickerrc, it's a hidden setting |
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| 17:24.45 | hockyhair | hm. widthforheight ? |
| 17:25.24 | hockyhair | i am trying to have the taskbar use all avail applet space |
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| 17:26.12 | Sho_ | hockyhair: The taskbar itself should always use the full available width provided its leftmost starting position is positioned correctly (try moving it) |
| 17:26.23 | thiago | LinuxCart: 1) make sure KMplayer is installed, 2) in Konqueror, Settings, Configure Konqueror, File Associations, find the MIME type associated and in the Embedded tab, move KMplayer up |
| 17:26.30 | Sho_ | hockyhair: Via the width hint, you can cause it to size taskbar items in such a way that they will fill up the entire taskbar |
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| 17:27.59 | hockyhair | there is nothing to move |
| 17:28.04 | hockyhair | width hint? |
| 17:28.41 | LinuxCart | I also have kplayer, what's the difference¿? |
| 17:28.42 | Sho_ | hockyhair: Perhaps unlock the taskbar via the context menus, or change the preferences to show the apple handles by which applets can be moved on panels |
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| 17:28.49 | Sho_ | hockyhair: The width hint is the kickerrc setting I was referring to |
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| 17:29.36 | Sho_ | LinuxCart: KPlayer is an older MPlayer frontend that, as far as I know, was abandoned a while ago (a shame, really, it had potential) |
| 17:30.17 | hockyhair | it is not locked, and i dont see anything about apple handles in the configure panel.. |
| 17:30.38 | LinuxCart | type="application/x-oleobject" |
| 17:30.54 | Sho_ | hockyhair: It's in "Advanced" ... sorry, but I'm going to assume that someone who's using something as nerdy as OpenBox will manage to look around a bit ;-) |
| 17:31.50 | hockyhair | nvm i found it thanks |
| 17:32.33 | LinuxCart | I have it now it's |
| 17:32.41 | LinuxCart | application/x-mplayer2 |
| 17:32.58 | LinuxCart | umm..., now no sound(kmplayer)... I'll investigate |
| 17:33.00 | LinuxCart | ... |
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| 17:35.16 | LinuxCart | strange, when I opened the source, kwrite locked the sound device |
| 17:35.31 | LinuxCart | so I had to kill kwrite with the web source to have sound |
| 17:36.48 | LinuxCart | :/ |
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| 17:45.16 | i_is_cat | whats the command to find out what packages i have installed? :/ |
| 17:45.20 | TunaTom | Hi. Looking for information on how to control kio_slaves from console / scripts. |
| 17:45.34 | i_is_cat | specifically looking for xine package versions |
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| 17:45.42 | TunaTom | Seems there's not much to be done via dcop |
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| 17:46.09 | TunaTom | @i_is_cat: are using a deb or rpm-based distribution? |
| 17:46.43 | i_is_cat | opensuse 10 so ya rpm based |
| 17:46.53 | pinotree | i_is_cat: #yourdistro is the better place where ask such questions |
| 17:47.00 | pinotree | i_is_cat: #suse in your case |
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| 17:48.50 | TunaTom | i_is_cat: just looked it up, should be something like |
| 17:49.10 | TunaTom | rpm --query xine |
| 17:49.23 | TunaTom | But better double check by reading man rpm |
| 17:50.27 | i_is_cat | tells me its not installed |
| 17:50.33 | i_is_cat | but it is and i can use it |
| 17:50.33 | TunaTom | I'm trying to use a webdav folder as copy target in a script, but can't seem to be able to use the "normal" stuff like davfs2. |
| 17:50.56 | q_e_d | i_is_cat: try rpm -qa | grep -i xine |
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| 17:51.35 | TunaTom | So I had the idea to use konqueror, controlling it via dcop. |
| 17:51.43 | i_is_cat | woot thanks q_e_d :D |
| 17:52.01 | i_is_cat | sweet |
| 17:52.07 | i_is_cat | i think i am out of date |
| 17:52.11 | TunaTom | Turns out it's not as easy as it seemed :) |
| 17:52.15 | i_is_cat | which is probly why my movies arent playing |
| 17:52.39 | i_is_cat | i have libxine 1-1.1.1 and they have 1-1.1.2 |
| 17:52.42 | TunaTom | someone experienced using dcop? |
| 17:52.58 | thiago | dcop is very easy |
| 17:53.04 | thiago | the available interfaces aren't |
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| 17:53.41 | TunaTom | thiago: so how then could I make kio_webdav copy a local file to a remote webdav server via dcop? |
| 17:53.51 | Ace2007 | Hi all |
| 17:54.30 | wizard123 | hi Ace2007 |
| 17:54.35 | wizard123 | hi all! |
| 17:54.41 | Ace2007 | hi |
| 17:55.03 | alsuren | TunaTom: dcop may not be the answer |
| 17:55.13 | alsuren | hey you guys |
| 17:55.14 | Ace2007 | Is there a way to get kde to show empty folders, like how it shows movie icon when a folder is full of videos and a picture icon when its full of pictures? |
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| 17:55.18 | thiago | TunaTom: alsuren is right: dcop is not the answer |
| 17:55.23 | TunaTom | Yes, i was afraid that would be the case. |
| 17:55.23 | thiago | TunaTom: use kfmclient |
| 17:55.33 | thiago | TunaTom: you don't access KIO via DCOP |
| 17:56.02 | wizard123 | Ace2007: kde does that? |
| 17:56.15 | Ace2007 | Yea its a setting called folder reflects contents |
| 17:56.21 | Ace2007 | but i want to do it with empty ones |
| 17:56.28 | wizard123 | where is that setting hidden? |
| 17:56.43 | wizard123 | i use kde for 6 years and i've never seen it :P |
| 17:57.02 | Ace2007 | View > Folder Icons Reflect Contents |
| 17:57.35 | Ace2007 | lol |
| 17:58.02 | wizard123 | :D it works! |
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| 17:58.13 | Ace2007 | but how do i get konqueror to show its an empty folder, i could make a custom icon but how would i asign it? |
| 17:58.17 | wizard123 | every day bring something new :) |
| 17:58.20 | TunaTom | thiago: oh dear, I can use kfmclien copy and give it a webdav folder as a target! |
| 17:58.49 | alsuren | wizard123: I've decided that idling in #kde has to be the best way to learn little tricks like that |
| 17:58.58 | wizard123 | :) |
| 17:59.21 | alsuren | TunaTom: why "oh dear"? |
| 18:00.02 | wizard123 | alsuren: i idle here for long time.. but usually i'm detached from screen session ;) |
| 18:00.12 | TunaTom | because I'm using kde since it's first incarnation and didn't think there's much left I could discover ;) |
| 18:00.45 | TunaTom | so, I'm off to scripting. thanks, thiago |
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| 18:01.09 | alsuren_pizza | wizard123: same here, but I'll often scan the history for a few seconds when I reconnect |
| 18:02.03 | wizard123 | 'grepping the logs as the best way to get system info' |
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| 18:02.26 | alsuren_pizza | wizard123: quote from where? |
| 18:03.28 | wizard123 | from my dorms server room |
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| 18:03.52 | alsuren_pizza | huh? |
| 18:04.00 | wizard123 | old admin said that to me when he was trying to solve raid problems drunk |
| 18:04.18 | wizard123 | i don't know how to say it in english.. |
| 18:04.57 | alsuren_pizza | I understand now :D |
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| 18:05.26 | linnuxxy | is there a bug with toggling keyboard layout with KDE 3.5.2? |
| 18:05.34 | thiago | linnuxxy: I think so |
| 18:05.47 | linnuxxy | i had same problem with many distros |
| 18:05.56 | linnuxxy | and is there a fix for that? |
| 18:06.09 | wizard123 | kde 2.5.4 ? |
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| 18:06.39 | linnuxxy | wizard123 r u sure? |
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| 18:07.36 | wizard123 | linnuxxy: am ! sure |
| 18:08.01 | alsuren_pizza | is that '!' as in "not"? |
| 18:08.10 | wizard123 | da |
| 18:08.34 | linnuxxy | just like !@all |
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| 18:08.49 | linnuxxy | or !@* |
| 18:09.13 | wizard123 | linnuxxy: but i use 3.5.3 under freebsd and it works ok |
| 18:09.22 | wizard123 | дела! |
| 18:09.53 | linnuxxy | maybe it is just with Arabic then!!! |
| 18:12.26 | wizard123 | i don't know |
| 18:13.15 | wizard123 | i use only polish and sometimes russian keyboard |
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| 18:15.52 | alsuren_pizza | linnuxxy: if you want to find out for certain if it's a known bug in KDE, search through bugzilla |
| 18:16.07 | kyron | ahoy, what is the replacement in kde 3.5 to kdevelop, it doesn't seem to appear in any package repository..? |
| 18:16.11 | alsuren_pizza | (bugs.kde.org if I remember correct) |
| 18:16.16 | linnuxxy | im doing it now |
| 18:16.22 | linnuxxy | yes the url is correct |
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| 18:16.48 | alsuren_pizza | :D my memory is normally really bad |
| 18:17.10 | Vegeta^ | Is it possible to make the short-ket "Fn+F2" to enable/disable to wireless netcard in KDE? It worked in GNOME, but not in KDE. Why? |
| 18:17.50 | Kronoz | kyron, kdevelop hasn't been replaced :s |
| 18:18.34 | kyron | Kronoz, ouch...this means we don't have a nice programming IDE under kde 3.5 (ie: one that auto-generates the Makefiles for me) ^ |
| 18:18.35 | Sho_ | kyron: Hm? KDevelop is alive and happy |
| 18:18.35 | kyron | ? |
| 18:18.35 | PhilRod | Vegeta^: find the command line command to do it, and then assign it to that shortcut using khotkeys: control center -> regional & a11y -> input actions |
| 18:18.49 | Sho_ | kyron: KDevelop runs fine in KDE 3.5 |
| 18:18.51 | kyron | Sho_, which version? |
| 18:18.56 | PhilRod | Vegeta^: the user guide has some info about that, I think: |
| 18:18.57 | PhilRod | ~ug |
| 18:18.59 | apt | The KDE User Guide can be found at http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/ |
| 18:19.10 | Ace2007 | How can i use the scroll wheel as a modifier in "kcontrol > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard Shortcuts" ? |
| 18:19.12 | Sho_ | kyron: The latest stable release of KDevelop is 3.3.4, with 3.4 forthcoming |
| 18:19.24 | Kronoz | kyron, kdevelop is part of kde 3.5 and all recent kde versions :s, it hasn't gone/isn't going anywhere :p |
| 18:19.32 | Sho_ | kyron: Note that KDevelop version numbers have nothing to do with KDE |
| 18:19.38 | kyron | Sho_, and...should I assume that it relies on kde 3.3 libs? |
| 18:19.44 | Kronoz | no |
| 18:19.49 | kyron | Sho_, O_o!...thanks! |
| 18:19.53 | Sho_ | kyron: kdelibs are always backwards compatibile |
| 18:20.01 | Sho_ | kyron: An app written for KDE 3.0 will work on 3.5 |
| 18:20.17 | kyron | thanks for clearing this out gus |
| 18:20.21 | kyron | guyz |
| 18:20.35 | Sho_ | kyron: Most KDE apps support a range of KDE releases, i.e. Amarok runs from 3.2->3.5, for example |
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| 18:21.06 | hydrogen | 3.3 I thought, not 3.2 |
| 18:21.10 | Kronoz | 4 will break stuff though won't it? |
| 18:21.11 | PhilRod | Ace2007: you'd probably have to persuade xmodmap to let you do that |
| 18:21.18 | hydrogen | 4 will break everything :) |
| 18:21.26 | Sho_ | Kronoz: yup |
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| 18:21.41 | Sho_ | Kronoz: KDE 3 apps need to be ported to KDE 4 |
| 18:21.43 | Ace2007 | PhilRod: Any idea on how i can achieve that? |
| 18:21.44 | Kronoz | but it'll be worth it, because 4 will rock |
| 18:21.53 | hydrogen | wait till you see it before saying that :) |
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| 18:22.16 | Sho_ | Kronoz: Breaking binary compatibility every generation allows for major cleanup, innovation under the hood, etc. |
| 18:22.22 | Vegeta^ | PhilRod: There is no such thing... You're talking about "System Settings -> Regional & Accessibility" right? |
| 18:22.52 | alsuren_pizza | Ace2007: what's your proposed behaviour? |
| 18:23.04 | Ace2007 | system settings is what kubuntu's modified version of kcontrol |
| 18:23.06 | PhilRod | Vegeta^: I'm talking about what it's called in a vanilla KDE, but I believe the control center is called "system settings" in kubuntu, so the answer to your question is "kinda" |
| 18:23.36 | kyron | Sho_, Kronoz thanks for the info |
| 18:23.46 | Kronoz | np |
| 18:24.08 | Ace2007 | alsuren: Well i want winkey + Wheel Up/Down to allow me to switch desktops and win + other buttons to be other shortcuts |
| 18:24.56 | Sho_ | kyron: 3.3.4 was released in August for example |
| 18:25.03 | Sho_ | kyron: so it's not old |
| 18:25.10 | Sho_ | kyron: And much nice new stuff coming in 3.4 |
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| 18:26.03 | alsuren | so you want win as a modifier key (as shown in the kde FAQ, which I may be able to get a link for if you can't find it) |
| 18:26.09 | ab0oo | How do I change the default action when an audio CD is inserted into the system? I clicked the "Don't ask again" button, but now I want it to ask again. |
| 18:26.26 | Sho_ | ab0oo: KControl -> Peripherals -> Storage Media |
| 18:26.59 | Ace2007 | alsuren: i want the scroll wheel to also be used but i don't know how to make kde aware of scroll wheel movements |
| 18:27.04 | ironfroggy | how do i open the logs from konversation? everything seems to choke on the #'s in the name |
| 18:27.21 | alsuren | then maybe read up on imwheel or something |
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| 18:27.39 | ab0oo | Sho_: many thanks |
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| 18:27.52 | Ace2007 | ironfroggy: Like Ctrl + o? |
| 18:28.13 | ab0oo | Ace2007: that's an Xwindows thing, not a kde thing |
| 18:28.22 | PhilRod | ironfroggy: "less /path/to/log" or "kate /path/to/log" or Alt+F2-> "/path/to/log" or ... |
| 18:28.48 | PhilRod | ironfroggy: if you mean on the command line, just use tab completion or escape the # thusly: "\#" |
| 18:29.45 | Ace2007 | ab0oo: So do you know how i can get X to make kde aware of the scroll wheel |
| 18:30.14 | ab0oo | Ace2007: look in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. There will be an InputDevice for your mouse |
| 18:30.43 | Ace2007 | found it |
| 18:30.44 | ab0oo | you need to make seure that the Protocol is "ExplorerPS/2" and that the following line is there: |
| 18:30.48 | ab0oo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:31.43 | ab0oo | Ace2007: look here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/AEYPX257.html |
| 18:31.52 | ab0oo | let me know if you want any more of my xorg.conf |
| 18:32.12 | Ace2007 | Thanks |
| 18:32.41 | ab0oo | note that to use my version, you need to have your mouse listed in section "Server Layout" also |
| 18:33.18 | ab0oo | Here's my server layout. yours WILL NOT MATCH, but you can get the idea: http://rafb.net/paste/results/SfriXA84.html |
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| 18:34.57 | Ace2007 | Thanks |
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| 18:35.04 | Ace2007 | I'll restart x now |
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| 18:42.40 | kyron | Sho_, I will definately install that on my dev systems then ;) |
| 18:43.13 | Sho_ | kyron: I don't even use it, actually ;) |
| 18:43.27 | Sho_ | Although the stuff they're doing for 3.4 and 4.0 might make me reconsider :-) |
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| 18:44.53 | kyron | Sho_, ...you use Vim I bet :P |
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| 18:45.24 | kyron | Sho_, it's the Makefile auto-generation which is turining me on |
| 18:45.32 | Sho_ | kyron: Actually, yes ... although I've gotten increasingly too lazy to drop into a shell and use vim as Kate gets better and better |
| 18:45.55 | Sho_ | kyron: I'm not really a big IDE fan, decent editor and a few shells keep me happier |
| 18:46.21 | Sho_ | kyron: btw: http://dot.kde.org/1154654739/ |
| 18:46.54 | Sho_ | kyron: KDE4 is moving away from Autotools to CMake, which is a lot easier to get the hang off, so ... :) (although KDevelop 3.4 will auto-generate that, too) |
| 18:46.56 | kyron | Sho_, I follow your line of thought thoug I have never found the patience to learn how to properly use serach/replace in VIM as well as just being able to select a block and press CTRL-D to comment it... ;) |
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| 18:47.20 | ironfroggy | PhilRod: i do mean on the commandline and escaping the # has no affect, but it doesnt matter because its not being taken as a comment anyway. |
| 18:47.25 | Sho_ | kyron: In fact the CMake-based build system can also auto-generate KDevelop project files and what not |
| 18:48.09 | windowful | How do I get KDE to install fonts? I don't use xfs because it can't handle more than about 70 fonts, and it seems like the Control Center only knows how to talk to a font server. |
| 18:49.35 | kyron | Sho_, you are putting into evidence my lack of knowledge of these tools :P |
| 18:50.27 | Sho_ | kyron: well read that interview and you'll know more ;) |
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| 18:51.03 | wizard123 | omg.. |
| 18:51.10 | wizard123 | it's 20.49 |
| 18:51.18 | wizard123 | and i'm sooo sleepy |
| 18:51.19 | Sho_ | 20:51 here |
| 18:51.20 | Ace2007 | hi i'm back |
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| 18:51.31 | alsuren | Ace2007: any luck? |
| 18:51.33 | Ace2007 | ab0oo: Ok now what do i do? |
| 18:52.49 | alsuren | Ace2007: so your scroll wheel works in konq? |
| 18:52.55 | Ace2007 | yea |
| 18:53.02 | windowful | wizard123, Sho_, where are y'all? |
| 18:53.11 | ab0oo | Ace2007: what else doesn't work? |
| 18:53.17 | Sho_ | windowful: Berlin, Germany |
| 18:53.33 | alsuren | does it change the desktop properly if you scroll over the desktop pager? |
| 18:53.41 | windowful | +1? |
| 18:53.55 | Sho_ | windowful: yup |
| 18:54.09 | Ace2007 | ab0oo: well i wanted to make kde sue the scroll wheel act like a button for shortcuts, so Ctrl+Alt+Scroll-Wheel-Up would go to the next desktop |
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| 18:54.51 | Ace2007 | but i can't seem to use mouse buttons in keyboard shortcuts |
| 18:55.12 | benJIman | no don't think you can |
| 18:55.20 | ab0oo | Ace2007: I've never been able to do that. |
| 18:55.27 | benJIman | but you can make mousewheel over background switch desktop |
| 18:55.40 | ab0oo | using the scroll wheel over the panel button for desktops will allow you to switch |
| 18:55.49 | ab0oo | (something that gives me angst with my touchpad) |
| 18:56.05 | Ace2007 | um... most of the time my task bar is full |
| 18:56.35 | kyron | Sho_, I was referring to cMake but your comment stands ;) |
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| 18:57.06 | wizard123 | Ace2007: than use windowmenu or kasbar |
| 18:57.24 | Ace2007 | unless somehow some app can lock on to Ctrl+Alt+Scroll Wheel Up and then when it gets that command it sends Ctrl+Alt+} to kde which then switches desktops |
| 18:57.44 | Sho_ | Ace2007: xbindkeys |
| 18:58.02 | Ace2007 | Sho_: So how would i set that up? |
| 18:59.01 | Sho_ | Ace2007: xbindkeys allows you to bind button events to commands via ~/.xbindkeysrc. In this case, the command in question would be a DCOP call to switch the desktop. Or the command could be a xvkbd call (an app that is a virtual keyboard) to send fake keyboard events. |
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| 18:59.07 | Sho_ | Ace2007: That's how my mouse is programmed |
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| 18:59.20 | Sho_ | Ace2007: see http://www.eikehein.com/gentoo/x11/xbindkeysrc.txt as an example |
| 18:59.27 | Ace2007 | Thanks |
| 18:59.47 | Sho_ | Ace2007: Notice e.g. the third rule which binds the DCOP call to "Show Desktop" to a mouse button |
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| 19:00.07 | wizard123 | good night |
| 19:00.08 | Ace2007 | where can i get a list of the DCOP calls? |
| 19:00.15 | Ace2007 | bye |
| 19:00.16 | annma | kdcop |
| 19:00.17 | Sho_ | Ace2007: Start "kdcop" and look around |
| 19:00.27 | annma | hi Sho_ |
| 19:00.30 | annma | hi Ace2007 |
| 19:00.31 | Ace2007 | oh never knew that |
| 19:00.32 | Sho_ | hi annma :) |
| 19:00.42 | ab0oo | thanks for the help , guys |
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| 19:01.19 | Ace2007 | oh kdcop shows dcop calls of all running apps then |
| 19:01.28 | annma | yes, exactly |
| 19:01.35 | Sho_ | Ace2007: yup |
| 19:02.09 | Ace2007 | Thanks |
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| 19:07.36 | M_A_K | This may sound stupid, but how do I add a printer or set a printer to be the default printer in kde on Ubuntu? |
| 19:08.28 | LinuxCart | have you tried right click? |
| 19:08.49 | M_A_K | on the desktop? |
| 19:09.01 | Blissex | M_A_K: using CUPS, and then in the Control Centre under ''printers''. |
| 19:09.15 | M_A_K | My control center is empty. |
| 19:09.48 | Blissex | M_A_K: that is not a good sign.... Anyhow first add the printer to the system using CUPS. Ubuntu/Kubuntu have a nice graphical frontend for that. |
| 19:10.02 | M_A_K | WHere can I find it? |
| 19:10.30 | LinuxCart | M_A_K: run kcontrol |
| 19:10.38 | LinuxCart | then go to peripherals->printer |
| 19:10.40 | Blissex | M_A_K: IIRC have a nice system administration menu... |
| 19:11.08 | M_A_K | I just stated, my control center is empty. Something wrong with it. |
| 19:11.17 | Blissex | M_A_K: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers |
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| 19:11.55 | LinuxCart | M_A_K: maybe some package is missing |
| 19:12.06 | LinuxCart | aptitude install kubuntu-desktop |
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| 19:14.40 | M_A_K | K, installing kubuntu-desktop now. Thanks |
| 19:16.46 | ironfroggy | would it be possible to map an action triggered by a mouse button? i have extra buttons i wanna use. |
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| 19:18.22 | Sutoka | ironfroggy: yes |
| 19:18.35 | Sutoka | ironfroggy: how?... i don't remember |
| 19:18.47 | alsuren | ironfroggy: Ace2007 just asked about that. |
| 19:19.00 | Ace2007 | wha? |
| 19:19.09 | Ace2007 | oh yea i did |
| 19:19.19 | Ace2007 | <Sho_> Ace2007: xbindkeys allows you to bind button events to commands via ~/.xbindkeysrc. In this case, the command in question would be a DCOP call to switch the desktop. Or the command could be a xvkbd call (an app that is a virtual keyboard) to send fake keyboard events. |
| 19:19.25 | Ace2007 | <Sho_> Ace2007: That's how my mouse is programmed |
| 19:19.29 | Ace2007 | <Sho_> Ace2007: see http://www.eikehein.com/gentoo/x11/xbindkeysrc.txt as an example |
| 19:19.35 | Ace2007 | <Sho_> Ace2007: Notice e.g. the third rule which binds the DCOP call to "Show Desktop" to a mouse button |
| 19:19.39 | Ace2007 | <Sho_> Ace2007: Start "kdcop" and look around |
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| 19:20.03 | Ace2007 | alsuren: ^ that should be what you need |
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| 19:20.37 | alsuren | Ace2007: do you actualy understand that? I'm having trouble understanding the syntax |
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| 19:21.34 | Ace2007 | alsuren: nope i'm looking at the xbindkeys website for more info |
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| 19:22.32 | Ace2007 | so far i've created ~/.xbindkeysrc |
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| 19:22.49 | alsuren | if you find anything that helps explain it, be sure to link back here |
| 19:22.55 | M_A_K | LinuxCart : just finished installing kubuntu-desktop and ran the kcontrol and still empty. Any tips? |
| 19:23.13 | LinuxCart | create a new user and login |
| 19:23.24 | LinuxCart | go to konsole and type |
| 19:23.32 | alsuren | I've always used imwheel for mouse mappings |
| 19:23.48 | Sho_ | Ace2007, alsuren: Start "xev" from a terminal, move the cursor in the xev window, click your mouse buttons, xev will output the button ids for use in xbindkeysrc |
| 19:24.12 | M_A_K | Ok. |
| 19:24.19 | M_A_K | I'll be back. |
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| 19:24.28 | alsuren | thanks :D |
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| 19:25.58 | LinuxCart | sudo adduser |
| 19:25.58 | LinuxCart | answer the questions |
| 19:25.58 | LinuxCart | exit kde and login with that user |
| 19:27.15 | Ace2007 | kuser could add the user too |
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| 19:39.19 | ikkinu | hi all, kbib developer ask me for my KDEDIR, but I can't see it with _env_; how can I help him? (Kubuntu Dapper) |
| 19:39.46 | Sho_ | ikkinu: Tell him it's /usr |
| 19:40.21 | ikkinu | he said it could be /usr/local/kde, was he wrong? |
| 19:40.36 | Sho_ | ikkinu: Well on Kubuntu it's /usr by default |
| 19:40.44 | ikkinu | ok, thank u |
| 19:40.48 | Sho_ | ikkinu: kde-config --prefix |
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| 19:41.07 | ikkinu | yeah :) |
| 19:41.43 | ikkinu | see u |
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| 19:42.26 | nathan__ | hello, has anyone had the problem of kcontrol losing all of its modules, and they only show up under "Lost & Found" in the menu? |
| 19:43.02 | nathan__ | im using debian, and kde 3.5.4 |
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| 19:45.09 | Ace2007 | Yea M_A_K had that problem but he was using kubuntu |
| 19:46.05 | Ace2007 | but i think he hadn't installed kubuntu-desktop or something so it might be unrelated |
| 19:47.29 | Ace2007 | you could try creating a new user or renaming ~/.kde to ~/.kde_old |
| 19:47.49 | nathan__ | so far its the same for every user |
| 19:48.25 | nathan__ | its baffling, and ive searched so much on google to no avail |
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| 19:55.55 | mikedep333 | hello, by the time I am fully logged in, kalarm, knotify, and beagled start up automatically. how do I stop them? |
| 19:55.58 | mikedep333 | they are not init services |
| 19:57.11 | Ace2007 | are they in the system tray? |
| 19:57.51 | Bille | mikedep333: you can turn off beagled with kerry |
| 19:58.11 | Bille | you should not deactivate knotify, or you won't get any warning dialogs. |
| 19:58.30 | mikedep333 | oh |
| 19:58.43 | mikedep333 | I think kerry wont let em deactivate beagled, I'll check |
| 19:58.47 | mikedep333 | but what about knotify? |
| 19:59.01 | mikedep333 | and in general, is there a place where KDE has all the startup apps listed? |
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| 19:59.18 | Ace2007 | Well in kalarm, you go into settings > configure kalarm and then turn off "autostart at login" and then "start alarm monitoring at login" save the changes and quit |
| 20:00.28 | Ace2007 | mikedep333: Kcontrol > KDE Components > Service Manager and that has the list of startup services |
| 20:00.41 | Ace2007 | be careful what you disable |
| 20:00.58 | Bille | Ace2007: all of those run inside kded. |
| 20:01.13 | Ace2007 | Bille: and? |
| 20:01.37 | Bille | deactivating them reduces the mem footprint of kded by a trivial amount. but doesn't make your process table any shorter. |
| 20:01.43 | mikedep333 | I see |
| 20:01.58 | Bille | turning kded modules off is mainly useful if they are one of the buggy ones i wrote ;) |
| 20:02.12 | Ace2007 | interesting but if you don't need an app why have it waste space on the task bar |
| 20:02.34 | smileaf | Ace2007: good thing they don't then ;) |
| 20:02.48 | Bille | Ace2007: which kded module puts something on the task bar? |
| 20:02.55 | Bille | (to rephrase smileaf) |
| 20:02.59 | Ace2007 | knemo |
| 20:03.05 | mikedep333 | ace2007: yeah, I disabled some extra stuff under service manager already like the SVN module |
| 20:03.05 | Ace2007 | i like that |
| 20:03.10 | Bille | touche, i don't use knemo. |
| 20:03.30 | mikedep333 | and thx, I was able to stop kalarm (I use evolution for alerts) |
| 20:03.36 | Ace2007 | It says i've downloaded 37gb |
| 20:03.41 | Ace2007 | this month |
| 20:03.41 | Sho_ | mikedep333: Checked Go -> Autostart in Konq? |
| 20:04.50 | mikedep333 | sho_ ? |
| 20:05.31 | mikedep333 | but beagled still wants to start up automatically, despite me disabling in kerry "start search and indexing service automatically" |
| 20:05.34 | Bille | mikedep333: list of any locally autostarted apps. |
| 20:05.36 | Sho_ | mikedep333: The KDE file manager, "Konqueror", has a "Go" menu which among other places includes "Autostart", where applications that are started after logon are linked in |
| 20:05.59 | benJIman | kubuntu allegedly removed the go menu |
| 20:06.04 | mikedep333 | oh |
| 20:06.08 | mikedep333 | I'm on kubuntu |
| 20:06.10 | smileaf | Sho_: I don't have that autostart option :S |
| 20:06.17 | Bille | kubuntu have beagle now? |
| 20:06.25 | mikedep333 | it's in universe |
| 20:06.26 | benJIman | mikedep333: ~/.kde/Autostart then |
| 20:06.34 | Sho_ | smileaf: Then you're probably using Kubuntu or another distro that rapes Konqueror's menus |
| 20:06.40 | smileaf | Sho_: Gentoo. |
| 20:06.44 | Sho_ | And removes several critical entries |
| 20:06.57 | smileaf | I've actually never seen that menu option.. |
| 20:07.02 | Sho_ | smileaf: My Gentoo Konqueror shows Go->Autostart just fine |
| 20:07.21 | benJIman | kubuntu removed it as I said, everyone else has it |
| 20:07.52 | mikedep333 | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-79676.html |
| 20:08.02 | Bille | for people trying to remove kde bloat, lubos' recent blog is very interesting, because it shows how the benefits given by the most basic extra processes like kdeinit and klauncher. |
| 20:08.17 | Ace2007 | Maybe kde should come with: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=32517 |
| 20:08.26 | Ace2007 | Autostart Kcontrol module |
| 20:08.28 | Sho_ | smileaf: http://www.eikehein.com/gomenu.png |
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| 20:09.19 | Ace2007 | Bille: Link? |
| 20:09.41 | mikedep333 | the only thing I see in ~/.kde/autostart is a .Directory file |
| 20:09.50 | mikedep333 | benJIman: |
| 20:10.28 | benJIman | mikedep333: Autostart with capital A |
| 20:10.33 | Bille | Ace2007: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/blog/280 |
| 20:10.36 | mikedep333 | yeah |
| 20:10.43 | Ace2007 | Bille: Thanks |
| 20:10.44 | mikedep333 | I still only see .directory |
| 20:10.45 | benJIman | also check `kde-config --prefix`/share/autostart (with lowercase a) |
| 20:10.49 | benJIman | gotta love consistency |
| 20:11.22 | Bille | shows that ettrich's basic idea was sound, when you do everything with native KDE and don't lumber it with firefox and OO.o you get massive anti-bloat. |
| 20:11.54 | Bille | the competition's rather colourful mix of libraries achieves the opposite. |
| 20:12.19 | Ace2007 | but OO.o is like the best office suite linux has |
| 20:12.33 | mikedep333 | BenJIman: kde-config --prefix didnt like /share/autostart |
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| 20:13.53 | benJIman | mikedep333: note the backticks |
| 20:14.08 | Sho_ | mikedep333: by "backticks" he means the ` |
| 20:14.09 | benJIman | cd `kde-config --prefix`/share/autostart |
| 20:14.09 | Bille | Ace2007: sure, you lose some functionality. but so much criticism of kde is that it does too much, and is bloated, so it's refreshing to see that refuted |
| 20:14.15 | mikedep333 | oh |
| 20:14.38 | Ace2007 | Bille: I like the features i use quite a lot i think |
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| 20:15.29 | nathan__ | hello, has anyone had the problem of kcontrol losing all of its modules, and they only show up under "Lost & Found" in the menu? |
| 20:15.32 | nathan__ | im using debian, and kde 3.5.4 |
| 20:15.38 | mikedep333 | benJIman: where do I run that from? ~ ? |
| 20:15.59 | mikedep333 | it says it couldnt find the directory 'kde-config --prefix' |
| 20:16.02 | mikedep333 | oops |
| 20:16.07 | mikedep333 | I'm using hte wrong symbol |
| 20:16.36 | SimAtWork | nathan__: never seen that before |
| 20:16.37 | mikedep333 | ok, that takes me to /usr |
| 20:16.40 | Sho_ | mikedep333: "cd `kde-config --prefix`/share/autostart" without the "" |
| 20:16.42 | SimAtWork | nathan__: can you takea screen cap? i'm curious! |
| 20:16.55 | Sho_ | mikedep333: or just cd /usr/share/autostart then ... |
| 20:17.02 | mikedep333 | oh |
| 20:17.09 | nathan__ | SimAtWork: doing so now |
| 20:17.14 | mikedep333 | oih |
| 20:17.16 | mikedep333 | *oh |
| 20:17.18 | mikedep333 | thanks alot! |
| 20:18.09 | mikedep333 | I just rename .desktop file for whatever I don't want running? |
| 20:18.22 | nathan__ | SimAtWork: http://menglef.org/ss.png |
| 20:19.04 | mikedep333 | nathan_: does going into kde help? |
| 20:19.24 | Sho_ | (Hm, that IRC client looks suspiciously not like Konversation) |
| 20:20.16 | nathan__ | mikedep333: as in ~/.kde ? no , ive rm -r -f .kde, and ive made new users, i just wind up with all of the kcontrol functions in my "Lost & Found" |
| 20:20.18 | benJIman | that image editor looks suspicously not like krita and the panel looks suspiciously not like kicker too |
| 20:20.21 | nathan__ | even as root |
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| 20:20.32 | nathan__ | hehe, no im not strictly kde |
| 20:20.39 | Sho_ | benJIman: Not to mention the window decorations look suspiciously not like kwin |
| 20:20.44 | benJIman | indeed |
| 20:20.44 | nathan__ | im using icewm at the moment |
| 20:20.49 | benJIman | although could be |
| 20:20.52 | Sho_ | but at least the audio player looks suspiciously like Amarok |
| 20:20.52 | mikedep333 | nathan_: try using a full kde session |
| 20:20.57 | Sho_ | :) |
| 20:21.05 | benJIman | try running kbuildsycoa --noincremental |
| 20:21.06 | mikedep333 | not icewm and whatever else |
| 20:21.10 | nathan__ | yeah i was using full kde, i was turned off from it due to this bug |
| 20:21.17 | benJIman | *kbuildsycoca |
| 20:21.22 | mikedep333 | ok |
| 20:21.33 | Sho_ | nathan__: It's probably a issue of the environment not being set up, e.g. $KDEDIR/$KDEDIRS, so that the modules ar not found |
| 20:21.35 | Sho_ | *are |
| 20:21.46 | Sho_ | kbuildsycoca is a good idea, too |
| 20:21.47 | nathan__ | yeah i noticed that with echo &KDEDIR |
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| 20:21.56 | nathan__ | yeah i noticed that with echo $KDEDIR [even] |
| 20:22.14 | nathan__ | kbuildsycoa has an error as well |
| 20:22.24 | nathan__ | reinstalled a few things no luck |
| 20:22.38 | Bille | nathan__: is your kde install clean? no mismatched package versions etc? |
| 20:23.07 | nathan__ | Bille: hard to day, this is kanotix upgraded into debian unstable |
| 20:23.27 | nathan__ | and there was a version change and a bried few days of dist-upgrade errors |
| 20:23.49 | Sho_ | nathan__: kbuildsycoca outputing a number of errors about malformatted .desktop files it doesn't like is fairly normal however |
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| 20:23.51 | nathan__ | my spelling is all gone today i think |
| 20:24.12 | nathan__ | Sho_: ok, that seems to be the error ive been seeing |
| 20:24.42 | Bille | nathan__: i'd do the debian equivalent of rpm -qa | grep ^kde and make sure you're on the same kde version for everything |
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| 20:24.59 | Sho_ | nathan__: what does "kde-config --prefix" output? |
| 20:25.16 | nathan__ | Sho_: /usr |
| 20:25.32 | Sho_ | nathan__: Try running "KDEDIRS=/usr kcontrol" from a shell and see if it finds its modules then |
| 20:26.09 | nathan__ | Sho_: still a blank |
| 20:26.10 | Sho_ | nathan__: or "KDEDIRS=/usr kcmshell --list", which should output a list of all available modules |
| 20:26.31 | nathan__ | Sho_: The following modules are available: |
| 20:26.35 | nathan__ | it goes blank |
| 20:26.52 | Bille | try setting KDEDIRS=/usr then running kbuildsycoca --noincremental |
| 20:27.56 | nathan__ | Bille: still a blank in kcontrol |
| 20:28.02 | nathan__ | kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available! |
| 20:28.09 | nathan__ | could that be a problem, looks like one |
| 20:28.37 | Bille | nathan__: that kio error message - did that come up when you run kcontrol? |
| 20:28.59 | nathan__ | no, from kbuildsycoca |
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| 20:29.56 | Bille | nathan__: is /tmp and /var/tmp writeable for your user? |
| 20:30.05 | Bille | that's where kbuildsycoca would save its database. |
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| 20:30.31 | Bille | eg /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER/ |
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| 20:30.39 | nathan__ | ive seen the error as root as well as myself |
| 20:30.40 | bsdfox | is it just me or is amarok really slow sometimes? I mean I'm on a decent system and it still lags me out when it changes songs |
| 20:30.51 | Sho_ | bsdfox: What engine are you using? |
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| 20:30.59 | nathan__ | yesh the kde dirs are writable by my username |
| 20:31.12 | bsdfox | xine |
| 20:31.24 | Sho_ | bsdfox: hm me too ... no speed problems here, but it's a fairly speedy box |
| 20:31.46 | bsdfox | I'm just on a 1700+ but that should be plenty |
| 20:31.49 | Sho_ | bsdfox: Last.fm streams can be a little slow sometimes |
| 20:31.55 | Bille | nathan__: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/fp4JU213.html |
| 20:32.11 | Bille | is a script I use to run different KDEs at the same time |
| 20:32.44 | Bille | try adapting that for Qt and KDE's location for you, and sourcing from a .profile or before starting any KDE apps |
| 20:33.09 | Bille | also, make sure that your mixed up packages all put KDE stuff in the same place. |
| 20:33.28 | Bille | if kde-config thinks it's in /usr, but some other packages put it in /opt, you're in trouble. |
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| 20:42.13 | Ace2007 | Is this the kind of thing i should use for switching desktop to the right? "Switch Desktop Left" "LC_ALL=C dcop kwin KWinInterface nextDesktop" Super_L + b:4 |
| 20:43.05 | Ace2007 | I put it in .xbindkeysrc and its not working |
| 20:43.15 | Ace2007 | i think Super_L is the Win Key |
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| 20:44.40 | grepper | why don't you use the control centre to do it ? |
| 20:44.40 | grepper | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:46.05 | Sutoka | Ace2007: Super_L is the _left_ super key (windows key) |
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| 20:46.29 | Ace2007 | yup and b:4 is mouse up right? |
| 20:46.36 | Ace2007 | or do i type Button 4? |
| 20:47.36 | Ace2007 | So now i've made changes how do i restart xkey |
| 20:47.41 | Ace2007 | xbindkey |
| 20:49.03 | Ace2007 | Do i have to restart the xserver to make xbindkeys restart too? |
| 20:49.32 | Ace2007 | brb |
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| 20:52.34 | Ace2007 | Its not having any effect |
| 20:52.42 | Ace2007 | kde is not changing to the next desktop |
| 20:52.58 | Ace2007 | the dcop comand works ok |
| 20:53.34 | Ace2007 | So its a problem with: Super_L + button 4 and Super_L + b:4 its not working |
| 20:56.32 | SimAtWork | Let me be your piggy bank for nothing but your smell |
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| 21:00.10 | Ace2007 | What does that mean? |
| 21:00.19 | wizard123 | damn.. i can't sleep |
| 21:00.26 | wizard123 | and i noticed stange thing |
| 21:00.38 | Ace2007 | what? |
| 21:00.57 | wizard123 | i run startkde from .xinitrc |
| 21:01.28 | wizard123 | and i see command not found: nvidia-setup on console where i started x |
| 21:03.02 | wizard123 | i have no idea which process want's to start nvidia-settings |
| 21:03.06 | Sutoka | why oh why do all networking file systems taunt me so? |
| 21:03.25 | smileaf | Sutoka: cuz they all suck? |
| 21:03.29 | wizard123 | :) |
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| 21:03.41 | AegeanLinux | Hi All. |
| 21:04.02 | smileaf | what do you want? =p |
| 21:04.05 | QMario_ | I as soooooooooooooo bored. What do you guys do for fun?! |
| 21:04.08 | smileaf | j/k, what's up? :) |
| 21:04.15 | Sutoka | smileaf: first i tired nfs... kept timing out, now im trying samba... kio worked fine, but mounting it and its just SITTING there! |
| 21:04.32 | AegeanLinux | nothin much smileaf |
| 21:04.46 | smileaf | Sutoka: at least your network isn't stalling after NFS fails like it was with me :) |
| 21:04.47 | wizard123 | hi AegeanLinux |
| 21:05.08 | AegeanLinux | QMario_: If you are really bored, there are 20 packages for AegeanLinux that need to be compiled ... |
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| 21:05.11 | smileaf | I've had the most luck with samba. |
| 21:05.29 | AegeanLinux | Hi wizard123 |
| 21:05.46 | smileaf | execpt for the time where I took out my entire network's windows file sharing system cuz I mis-configured samba :D |
| 21:05.51 | Sutoka | smileaf: using samba with kio works fine, but i wanna play videos on the remote computer without copying the videos so i gotta mount it, and its STILL just sitting there! |
| 21:05.51 | wizard123 | i have to recompile my system.. oh no! |
| 21:06.09 | wizard123 | that means half of my apps will stop working |
| 21:06.48 | smileaf | Sutoka: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118349 |
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| 21:07.04 | smileaf | always fun when you get a dialog like that eh? :) |
| 21:07.08 | AegeanLinux | wizard123: why ? |
| 21:07.24 | wizard123 | cuz i need to upgrade to current :| |
| 21:07.39 | AegeanLinux | what distro ? |
| 21:07.45 | wizard123 | freebsd |
| 21:07.46 | Sutoka | smileaf: lol |
| 21:08.02 | Sutoka | smileaf: well im manually using the mount command... it hasn't even asked me for my password yet! |
| 21:08.07 | AegeanLinux | and why does it mean half your apps will stop working ? |
| 21:08.23 | wizard123 | cuz i change from 6.1 to 7.0 |
| 21:08.33 | Sutoka | wizard123: hahahahaha! loser! your system sucks! |
| 21:08.40 | smileaf | 6.1 to 7.0? |
| 21:09.00 | wizard123 | SimAtWork: yes |
| 21:09.09 | wizard123 | it was to smileaf |
| 21:09.29 | smileaf | Oh freebsd. |
| 21:10.30 | SimAtWork | no |
| 21:10.46 | SimAtWork | binary compatibility is not a noble gole anyhow |
| 21:10.54 | SimAtWork | goal even |
| 21:11.14 | MinceR | noble golem |
| 21:11.37 | smileaf | I'd prefer if gcc broke backwards compatability on every other release. |
| 21:11.39 | SimAtWork | a golem that could code would be handy indeed. |
| 21:11.39 | Sutoka | SimAtWork: it would be nice if i didn't have to recompile my entire system multiple times a year |
| 21:12.16 | smileaf | that way you could upgrade it.. recompile everything to link to it.. and you'd be Ok for the next release where you'd do it again. |
| 21:12.40 | smileaf | as it is, you can't uninstall the older version until after you've recompiled everything, which is a pain. |
| 21:12.43 | SimAtWork | i don't really understand why gcc breaks binary compatibility so often though |
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| 21:13.22 | Sutoka | smileaf: um... you're saying you don't have to recompile everything often enough, which is a pain? |
| 21:14.07 | bazz | i'm trying to use k3b to burn an audio cd, but everytime i try to add an mp3 to my project i get: Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format, and the name of the file i tried to add. this happens with any mp3 i try to add. |
| 21:14.10 | smileaf | Sutoka: I'm saying worrying about uninstalling the older gcc before everything is recompiled gives me nightmares as I develop my package manager x.x;; |
| 21:14.34 | smileaf | bazz: what distro? |
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| 21:15.24 | bazz | rhel4 |
| 21:15.37 | bazz | k3c 0.11.14 |
| 21:15.41 | bazz | err k3b :) |
| 21:15.46 | smileaf | hmm.. does redhat not include mp3 support now? |
| 21:15.56 | bazz | smileaf: how could i check? |
| 21:15.57 | Sutoka | bazz smileaf: my first guess is your k3b doesn't include the mp3 plugin (rhel/fedora don't include any mp3 stuff out of the box) |
| 21:16.03 | Sutoka | smileaf: haven't for a long time |
| 21:16.26 | bazz | ahh yeah, i don't have the mp3 encoder or decoder in my plugins |
| 21:16.37 | bazz | can i download that somewhere? |
| 21:16.40 | smileaf | Sutoka: well I've not tried them for a LONG.. time. as in .. before they started doing this enterprise versioning and Fedora came around. |
| 21:16.47 | Sutoka | bazz: go into k3b -> Configure K3B -> Plugins and look for "K3b MAD Decoder" or "K3b Lame Mp3 Encoder" |
| 21:17.04 | Sutoka | smileaf: they dropped mp3 with RedHat 9 IIRC |
| 21:17.10 | bazz | Sutoka: yeah, i don't have those |
| 21:17.29 | bazz | flac, vorbis and wave are all i have |
| 21:17.47 | SimAtWork | i wonder how long it will take to recompile the entire system when we all have 32 core processors under the hood... |
| 21:18.10 | smileaf | Sutoka: I think I last used 7 or 8 :) |
| 21:18.16 | Theory | SimAtWork: about twice as long as it does at the moment :-) |
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| 21:18.28 | SimAtWork | what a pessimist :) |
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| 21:18.59 | Theory | Moore's law is no match for software developers :-p |
| 21:19.10 | Sutoka | yay! sshfs to the rescue! |
| 21:19.12 | rabauke | where do I set the percentage of remaining disk-space that triggers the warning of the relevant daemon? |
| 21:20.12 | SimAtWork | what is the name of that keyboard driver that lets you define each keyboard seperately (usb) |
| 21:20.18 | SimAtWork | i think it's ev?? |
| 21:20.23 | SimAtWork | but i can't remember for the life of me :( |
| 21:20.33 | wizard123 | which kde app may want to run nvidia-settings? |
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| 21:20.39 | Sutoka | hahahahaha.... kde's video preview has confused me so many times (i accidentally knock the mouse and it lands on a video file and it starts playing the audio from it and i have NO clue whats going on) |
| 21:20.52 | SimAtWork | heh |
| 21:20.59 | Sutoka | SimAtWork: evdev? |
| 21:21.02 | SimAtWork | ooh |
| 21:21.04 | SimAtWork | thanks Sutoka |
| 21:21.05 | Theory | I'm still upset the video doesn't play in the tooltip |
| 21:21.06 | Sutoka | wizard123: none i would think... |
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| 21:21.27 | wizard123 | than why something wants to run it :S ? |
| 21:21.39 | wizard123 | or: how can i find which app wants it? |
| 21:22.00 | Sutoka | wizard123: check the parent pid? |
| 21:22.27 | wizard123 | i can't |
| 21:22.36 | wizard123 | it appeares on console |
| 21:23.02 | wizard123 | nvidia-settings: command not found |
| 21:23.05 | Sutoka | wizard123: is it in ~/.kde/Autostart or ~/.kde/env ? |
| 21:23.51 | bazz | cool, everything is fine now, thanksall |
| 21:24.14 | wizard123 | Sutoka: no |
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| 21:24.41 | Sutoka | if its not a real problem i would just ignore it |
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| 21:24.47 | Sutoka | though i am lazy... |
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| 21:24.55 | wizard123 | Sutoka: i'm not lazy.. |
| 21:25.11 | wizard123 | i'll try to figure it out.. first.. top :D |
| 21:25.41 | wizard123 | ahh! i found it |
| 21:25.46 | wizard123 | superkaramba.. |
| 21:25.56 | Sutoka | wizard123: what sk applet is calling nvidia-settings??? |
| 21:25.57 | wizard123 | have theme.. which tries to monitor stoopit nvidia chip |
| 21:26.05 | wizard123 | yeah |
| 21:26.10 | wizard123 | killall |
| 21:26.26 | wizard123 | done |
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| 21:26.34 | Sutoka | other than liquid weather like all sk themes just monitor the system... |
| 21:27.03 | wizard123 | from now on: superkaramba suks |
| 21:27.25 | Sutoka | wizard123: sk will pretty much be murdered for kde4 |
| 21:27.38 | Sutoka | consider it put in a giant blender (along with kdesktop and kicker) |
| 21:27.50 | Sutoka | and out comes a nice, smoooth milkshake |
| 21:28.04 | Theory | well, it will procrete with kicker and kdesktop, and their offspring will take over when the parents retire :-) |
| 21:28.27 | Sutoka | Theory: mine prints a prettier picture |
| 21:29.01 | Theory | true |
| 21:29.06 | wizard123 | hmm.. |
| 21:29.07 | Theory | mmm kickershake |
| 21:29.19 | Sutoka | milKshaKe! |
| 21:29.31 | Theory | ouch. |
| 21:29.32 | wizard123 | if my desktop will look like one big shaky blog, i'll switch to fvwm |
| 21:29.56 | Sutoka | wizard123: milKshaKe will stalk you |
| 21:30.09 | wizard123 | i don't know what is it |
| 21:30.21 | Theory | it's more a plasma than a shake |
| 21:30.32 | wizard123 | i don't get it |
| 21:30.34 | Sutoka | Theory: not enough Ks in plasma |
| 21:30.52 | Sutoka | plasKma just doesn't have the same ring to it |
| 21:31.15 | MinceR | plasmatiK |
| 21:31.21 | Sutoka | MinceR: ooo nice one |
| 21:31.27 | Theory | Sutoka: didn't you hear, they are renaming it to ADE, and it will be plAsma |
| 21:31.33 | smileaf | Sutoka: if they do that milkshake idea... there will be more than enough Ks in plasma. |
| 21:31.34 | Theory | that's why amaroK renamed to Amarok |
| 21:31.48 | MinceR | lol |
| 21:31.54 | Sutoka | Awesome Desktop Environment? |
| 21:32.00 | MinceR | they could rename it to ABCDE, too bad it's already taken |
| 21:32.03 | SimAtWork | my big question about kde4 is will KDM play nice with XGL ? |
| 21:32.14 | benJIman | kdm plays fine with xgl now |
| 21:32.14 | Sutoka | SimAtWork: should |
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| 21:32.18 | MinceR | but then apps would simply need to capitalize any letter of ABCDE |
| 21:32.25 | SimAtWork | oh |
| 21:32.27 | Sutoka | SimAtWork: i think only Suse kdm has problems with xgl |
| 21:32.29 | smileaf | MinceR: A Big Cool Desktop Enviroment? |
| 21:32.29 | Vegeta^ | Is Azureus not suited for KDE? |
| 21:32.29 | SimAtWork | then i need to play with xgl it seems |
| 21:32.34 | MinceR | :) |
| 21:32.36 | benJIman | no suse's kdm is fine with xgl |
| 21:32.40 | wizard123 | Vegeta^: it's java app |
| 21:32.54 | Sutoka | Vegeta^: you can run azureus in kde just fine... but it takes a freak load of memory (everywhere) |
| 21:33.03 | benJIman | try ktorrent |
| 21:33.08 | smileaf | Vegeta^: ktorrent is very nice :) |
| 21:33.08 | Sutoka | Vegeta^: KTorrent 2.x is very nice and doesn't take a gig of ram |
| 21:33.09 | benJIman | (2.x, 1.x is slow) |
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| 21:33.30 | smileaf | 1.x sucks.. 2.x is awesome :) |
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| 21:33.43 | wizard123 | hmm.. i don't have swap :| |
| 21:33.46 | Vegeta^ | Well it's true that it eats the ram as he||!! :P But Azureus is better than KTorrent. |
| 21:33.59 | wizard123 | so thats why my lappy freezed at world compilation |
| 21:34.07 | Sutoka | Vegeta^: have you tried KTorrent 2.x? |
| 21:34.10 | smileaf | Vegeta^: better than the 1.x versions yes.. 2.x debatable |
| 21:34.10 | SimAtWork | you know what's better than azureus and ktorrent? the command line version of bittornado. |
| 21:34.59 | Vegeta^ | I think I only have 1.2 |
| 21:35.07 | Sutoka | SimAtWork: the command line version of bittorando's gui sucks! |
| 21:35.38 | Vegeta^ | But the 2.x isn't in the packages, is it? |
| 21:35.48 | Sutoka | Vegeta^: what distro? |
| 21:36.07 | Vegeta^ | Kubuntu |
| 21:36.47 | Vegeta^ | w00t??? O_o |
| 21:37.02 | Vegeta^ | Am I that dangerous? |
| 21:37.29 | wizard123 | Vegeta^: nope :) kubuntu is dangerous |
| 21:37.30 | Sutoka | i think kubuntu has ktorrent 2 |
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| 21:38.19 | Sutoka | yeah, "Kubuntu 6.06 : there are official packages in the dapper backports repository (you can also get them here)" <-- ktorrent website for 2.0.1, ktorrent 2.0.2 should be available 'soon' |
| 21:38.34 | smileaf | Vegeta^: pretty much kubuntu has ripped kde to shreds |
| 21:38.41 | SimAtWork | Sutoka: i just likeit because i can use it with screen |
| 21:38.44 | Vegeta^ | lol why? |
| 21:39.49 | Sutoka | uses a different control center than kcontrol, forced kdesu to use sudo instead of su, being kubuntu, etc |
| 21:39.55 | smileaf | Vegeta^: they've replaced a few apps with their own only calling them the same, they've patched things to do things that were never intended(and won't be) removed several things. |
| 21:40.01 | MinceR | rtorrent ftw |
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| 21:40.27 | SimAtWork | smileaf: like what apps? |
| 21:40.41 | MinceR | seems i'm lucky for choosing to install kde on ubuntu instead of installing kubuntu :) |
| 21:40.42 | smileaf | SimAtWork: the ones Sutoka just mentioned. |
| 21:41.08 | smileaf | MinceR: they still come from the same place ;) |
| 21:41.10 | Sutoka | MinceR: kubuntu and ubuntu share a repository AFAIK... so that should mean you're using kubuntu's kde |
| 21:41.19 | wizard123 | good that freebsd adds only few patches to kde.. |
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| 21:42.03 | SimAtWork | ahh |
| 21:42.05 | Vegeta^ | argh I thought Kubuntu was the same as KDE. I had a "InstallandUseUbuntu" video guide from googlevideo, and he sujested that kubuntu would have everything you need for KDE and so one... |
| 21:42.17 | SimAtWork | i wondered why kcontrol in kubuntu looked a lot like the osx preferences thing |
| 21:42.22 | SimAtWork | and why i couldn't revert |
| 21:42.51 | smileaf | I've tried to help kubuntu users with several problems.. but it always comes down to that I can't really help them. because I don't know how kubuntu's things work. |
| 21:42.53 | Sutoka | SimAtWork: i thought 'kcontrol' opens up the normal kcontrol |
| 21:43.15 | wizard123 | omg :) |
| 21:43.17 | Vegeta^ | lol |
| 21:43.40 | Sutoka | i've had trouble helping kubuntu users because of modifications kubuntu made to kde that broke stuff (or 'made better') |
| 21:43.53 | wizard123 | thats why my friend was shoked when he installed kubuntu after using bsd :D |
| 21:44.00 | smileaf | Vegeta^: it's KDE alright... but it's so hacked that we can't really support it. |
| 21:44.22 | wizard123 | and it is debian based! |
| 21:44.39 | Vegeta^ | :O |
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| 21:44.45 | wizard123 | :P |
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| 21:45.09 | SonicChao | Where is the character map...like the one on Gnome? |
| 21:45.28 | Sutoka | SonicChao: 'kcharselect' is the binaries name and in the default menu its at... |
| 21:45.38 | Pinaraf | tools |
| 21:45.41 | smileaf | kcharselect.. it's in the Utilities section. |
| 21:45.57 | Sutoka | Utilities -> More Applications -> KCharSelect (though it often varies from distro to distro) |
| 21:46.00 | smileaf | in mine it's under More Apps |
| 21:46.02 | SonicChao | K. I probably have to install it. |
| 21:46.09 | wizard123 | ÷ |
| 21:46.14 | SonicChao | Because I don't see it. |
| 21:46.21 | wizard123 | SonicChao: it is in kdeutils |
| 21:46.22 | smileaf | kdeutils :) |
| 21:46.49 | wizard123 | or you are one of those crazy guys who use splitted kde in gentoo |
| 21:47.03 | Sutoka | split kde ftw! |
| 21:47.06 | SonicChao | No. D= |
| 21:47.07 | smileaf | kdeutils-kcharselect ? :) |
| 21:47.13 | SonicChao | Kubuntu. =D |
| 21:47.23 | wizard123 | not again! |
| 21:47.25 | smileaf | oh god another one XD... hahaa |
| 21:47.32 | SonicChao | ... |
| 21:47.35 | wizard123 | :P |
| 21:47.41 | smileaf | LMAO |
| 21:47.42 | SonicChao | =( |
| 21:47.58 | Sutoka | wizard123: its just kdeutils-meta or 'kcharselect' then |
| 21:48.21 | smileaf | SonicChao: it's nothing against you. |
| 21:48.41 | wizard123 | SonicChao: don't be sad it's friday nigh (here) and i'm ircing instead of drinking or doing other interesting things |
| 21:48.58 | wizard123 | SonicChao: ooboontoo |
| 21:49.02 | MinceR | smileaf, Sutoka: so what's broken about it? |
| 21:49.44 | SonicChao | Ok... |
| 21:49.50 | Sutoka | MinceR: about kubuntu? i've primarily just had really bad luck every time i've tried it out (the first time 'kdesu' would always crap out, and most of the kcontrol modules wouldn't work) |
| 21:49.53 | AegeanLinux | Is Unichrome a good integrated Video Card? |
| 21:50.07 | wizard123 | AegeanLinux: shit! |
| 21:50.07 | MinceR | good <-> integrated |
| 21:50.09 | Sutoka | AegeanLinux: depends on how 'good' you want it to be |
| 21:50.12 | MinceR | contradiction in terms. |
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| 21:50.30 | wizard123 | AegeanLinux: i'm trying to run it for 5 months |
| 21:50.41 | Renze | integrated == the cheapest, nastiest chipset the mb manufacturer could find |
| 21:50.41 | AegeanLinux | 'Good' as in abit of hardware 3d support, and support for Xorg 7.1 |
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| 21:50.54 | AegeanLinux | wizard123: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Unichrome |
| 21:50.55 | smileaf | MinceR: I never said it was broken.. I said it was hacked alot. |
| 21:51.01 | Sutoka | AegeanLinux: i would go with nvidia for power, or intel for openness/cheapness |
| 21:51.04 | wizard123 | AegeanLinux: it didn't worked |
| 21:51.13 | wizard123 | work even |
| 21:51.24 | bsdfox | AegeanLinux, get nvidia |
| 21:51.33 | smileaf | MinceR: not security hacked.. but patched hacked. |
| 21:51.36 | AegeanLinux | bsdfox: Give me the $60 and sure. |
| 21:51.46 | Renze | never, never, never buy ATi |
| 21:51.52 | AegeanLinux | dirrrrr. |
| 21:51.59 | AegeanLinux | I hate ATI to the bone anyways. |
| 21:52.05 | Sutoka | Renze: good thing you didn't accidentally put a comma after the last 'never'! |
| 21:52.20 | wizard123 | i'm going to kick unichromes ass by using xorg 6.9 , freebsd 7 and openchrome |
| 21:52.22 | Renze | Sutoka: that would be silly |
| 21:52.22 | smileaf | SonicChao: you might find your answer better in #kubuntu they'll know their package names better than we will. |
| 21:52.31 | bsdfox | AegeanLinux, you can get a better card for $30 at frys |
| 21:52.36 | SonicChao | I have it open right now. |
| 21:52.41 | SonicChao | The package was, kcharselect. |
| 21:52.42 | SonicChao | =3 |
| 21:52.51 | smileaf | SonicChao: ok cool :) |
| 21:52.51 | AegeanLinux | bsdfox: I live in Australia mate ;) |
| 21:52.53 | SonicChao | I took a guess. =] |
| 21:53.15 | Sutoka | AegeanLinux: just take a little swim |
| 21:53.22 | Renze | AegeanLinux: fair suck o' the sav, mate! wouldn't shout at a shark attack! |
| 21:53.40 | AegeanLinux | and then Renze spoke English ... |
| 21:53.48 | AegeanLinux | :P |
| 21:53.56 | Renze | sorry, was speaking Australian :D |
| 21:54.11 | wizard123 | is there any difference? |
| 21:54.16 | Renze | fair dinkum! |
| 21:54.18 | AegeanLinux | That's american minus the mate! |
| 21:54.42 | AegeanLinux | anyway, talk about that in #Australia. |
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| 21:55.05 | Renze | throw another shreemp on the baaarbie, mate! |
| 21:55.05 | Sutoka | wizard123: in Australian english calling some one your 'mate' is normal, in at least american english calling someone your 'mate' will either get strange looks, or make them think your going out with them |
| 21:55.05 | Alien_Freak | hi all |
| 21:55.22 | Sutoka | AegeanLinux beat me to it! |
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| 21:55.45 | Alien_Freak | how is kde's vim embeded editors coming along.... I keep reading conflicting doc online.. I just wanted to get vim keybindings in kdevelop |
| 21:56.10 | AegeanLinux | So OpenChrome is pretty crap in other words ? |
| 21:56.25 | PhilRod | Alien_Freak: look up yzis |
| 21:57.45 | wizard123 | brithis enlish sounds better to me =) |
| 21:58.04 | Renze | oh I say... jolly good show, old chap! |
| 21:58.04 | wizard123 | british* |
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| 21:58.21 | Sutoka | i forgot my bloody tea time! |
| 21:58.46 | MinceR | you drink bloody tea? |
| 21:58.50 | MinceR | weird |
| 21:58.53 | wizard123 | rotfl |
| 21:58.59 | MinceR | though it's still not as weird as tea with milk |
| 21:59.30 | Renze | mmmmm... steak... |
| 22:00.34 | Sutoka | well i have at least part of the vampire things down |
| 22:00.59 | Renze | same here |
| 22:01.01 | Sutoka | all i need is the blood sucking part now... |
| 22:01.13 | Renze | I have always preferred the night |
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| 22:01.34 | wizard123 | midnight ;) |
| 22:01.44 | Sutoka | "since the dawn of time man has urned to destroy the sun" |
| 22:01.49 | Renze | the sun... it burnsss usss, preciousss |
| 22:02.48 | ironfroggy | i gotta admit, the sun would look pretty cool in flames. |
| 22:02.56 | Sutoka | being a vampire on irc is kinda like being on a hunger strike at an all you can eat restaurant... |
| 22:03.46 | wizard123 | what does gam_server do? |
| 22:04.02 | Sutoka | wizard123: file monitoring (hopefully) using inotify |
| 22:04.22 | Sutoka | so like if files are modified, konqueror will update in real time the listing |
| 22:04.30 | wizard123 | nice |
| 22:04.40 | Sutoka | gamin > fam (famin!) |
| 22:04.42 | AegeanLinux | wizard123: http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=73509&enterthread=y |
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| 22:07.21 | wizard123 | AegeanLinux: i'll try to run it on freebsd xD |
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| 22:08.33 | Sutoka | wizard123: gamin (gam_server) works best with inotify (part of the linux kernel), without inofity it falls back to just polling |
| 22:09.06 | wizard123 | so why is it running? |
| 22:09.14 | wizard123 | or how to disable it? |
| 22:09.28 | Sutoka | wizard123: uninstall it? |
| 22:09.49 | wizard123 | %pkg_info -Ix gamin |
| 22:09.50 | wizard123 | gamin-0.1.7_2 A file and directory monitoring system |
| 22:09.57 | Sutoka | wizard123: if you're using it on linux with an inotify enabled kernel i would keep it |
| 22:10.09 | wizard123 | i don't use linux |
| 22:10.28 | Japsu | How do I export a non-broken SVG file from Karbon? |
| 22:10.53 | Japsu | I'm trying to export a simple document where there's only two text objects. |
| 22:10.56 | wizard123 | Sutoka: but it does not eat many resources.. i'll let it run |
| 22:11.21 | Japsu | For some strange reason, only the first letters of the text objects are rendered in KSVG, and imagemagick doesn't do any better |
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| 22:17.16 | wizard123 | http://www.bsdnexus.com/wallpapers/bpimg19.jpg xD |
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| 22:57.33 | psychollek | anyone home ? ;] |
| 22:57.42 | PhilRod | yeah |
| 22:58.38 | psychollek | i've got an unusuall problem :) |
| 22:58.45 | psychollek | in all qt apps |
| 22:59.14 | psychollek | i cant use alt+o (any other national character works just fine) |
| 23:00.09 | psychollek | the silliest thing is that alt+o has been working always - even if any other wouldnt |
| 23:00.19 | psychollek | so |
| 23:00.47 | psychollek | can anybody tell me where are some keyboard specific config files that i could use ? |
| 23:02.45 | PhilRod | check in xev that the keys are working and sending what you expect. Is Alt+<anythingelse> working? |
| 23:03.05 | PhilRod | take a look in keyboard layout in kcontrol for alternative keyboard layouts and variants that might help |
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| 23:04.03 | ObsidianX | is there anyway to provide custom images for the taskbar applet of the kicker |
| 23:04.13 | ObsidianX | like hover, active, default, minimized, etc |
| 23:04.44 | Renze | ObsidianX: only if you write a new taskbar applet |
| 23:05.07 | psychollek | PhilRod: it's working in any other app than any of qt ones |
| 23:05.13 | psychollek | xev as well |
| 23:05.18 | ObsidianX | Renze: score o.O |
| 23:06.34 | psychollek | as of Kcontrol i dont have any keyboard settings |
| 23:06.53 | psychollek | i mean only bout shortcuts |
| 23:07.11 | psychollek | but none bout layout |
| 23:09.06 | PhilRod | psychollek: control center -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard shortcuts? |
| 23:09.14 | PhilRod | gah, s/shortcuts/layout/ |
| 23:09.22 | psychollek | nope |
| 23:09.36 | PhilRod | that should be there. What distro are you using? |
| 23:10.12 | psychollek | gentoo |
| 23:10.21 | Renze | I have it in gentoo |
| 23:10.27 | psychollek | i told you that this is not an usual problem ;] |
| 23:10.29 | Renze | how'd you mess it up? |
| 23:11.17 | psychollek | well if i would know i wouldnt be asking ney ? ;] |
| 23:11.38 | Renze | psychollek: monolithic or split ebuilds? |
| 23:11.43 | alsuren | psychollek: what are you missing from kdebase (emerge -meta and see what it brings in) |
| 23:11.45 | psychollek | split |
| 23:11.55 | Renze | psychollek: try re-emerging kcontrol |
| 23:12.47 | psychollek | ok, but i dont think it will help though ;] - if you would know where this setting is in config files it would be much easier ;] |
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| 23:14.51 | psychollek | hmm, i dont have it at the sec computer and it is working perfectly there so i dont think it is the problem |
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| 23:15.44 | alsuren | "sec computer"?? |
| 23:16.59 | psychollek | sec = 2nd |
| 23:17.59 | Renze | ~split-ebuilds |
| 23:18.06 | apt | If you didn't build the whole of a KDE module, we can't offer support. See http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=110806759516927&w=2 for the reason. Try #gentoo if you don't want to install the full KDE module. |
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| 23:18.48 | psychollek | ok, i only wanted you to tell me the which config file contains it :P |
| 23:19.11 | Renze | psychollek: like we'd know... why edit config files when there is a perfectly usable GUI? :) |
| 23:19.38 | psychollek | i'm afraid of wizards ;] |
| 23:20.16 | psychollek | its one of many reasons i dont use gnome ;] |
| 23:20.16 | alsuren | psychollek: if you want to know which config file it is, take a snapshot of your ~ and then do change the file with the GUI and do recursive diff |
| 23:20.20 | Renze | it's not a wizard, it doesn't walk you through things |
| 23:20.45 | alsuren | standard trich |
| 23:20.49 | alsuren | ~k |
| 23:20.50 | apt | [k] okay |
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| 23:21.55 | psychollek | alsuren: but as you have most propably spoted from previous lines : i don't have this setting in gui ;] |
| 23:22.09 | Renze | psychollek: then use the grep, luke! |
| 23:22.10 | acc_ | Hi, #KDE. I'm noticing that a lot of the applications that I install (which place .desktop files in /usr/share/applications) are not showing up in my K Menu. Is there any way I can force it to rebuild? Thanks. |
| 23:22.29 | Renze | acc: run kbuildsycoca as user |
| 23:22.37 | alsuren | psychollek: then install the GUI and uninstall after if you're that fanatic |
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| 23:23.36 | acc_ | Renze: That did the trick, thanks. |
| 23:23.45 | Renze | acc_: no problem |
| 23:24.00 | psychollek | no - i'm not that fanatic - i even dont mind gui as long as i know i would be able to do the same thing without it (even if in considerably longer amount of time) |
| 23:24.27 | alsuren | Renze: what does the "sycoca" in kbuildsycoca actually mean? |
| 23:24.36 | Renze | system configuration cache |
| 23:24.57 | alsuren | :D fountain of knowledge |
| 23:25.11 | Renze | trivia sponge |
| 23:25.44 | alsuren | psychollek: then use the dialogue (by installing it) and then find out what it does with the standard trick |
| 23:26.09 | psychollek | i'm doing it already ;] |
| 23:26.48 | alsuren | good good, and report back when you answer your own question, in case someone else asks the same question :P |
| 23:27.45 | psychollek | i'm not a freak or fanatic, neither an idiot(or at least i don't think i am) and i wouldn't mind if you would stop treat me like one ;] |
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| 23:27.59 | psychollek | ok, maby i am the freak |
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| 23:28.23 | alsuren | (I'm too drunk to remember your answer (can't even remember what your question was), as I've just been to the pub, and am now watching "hunt for red october", so please forgive me) |
| 23:28.37 | Renze | alsuren: pass the bourbon |
| 23:28.43 | alsuren | :D |
| 23:28.45 | psychollek | great movie |
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| 23:29.35 | Renze | a russian with a scottish accent... ;) |
| 23:30.08 | alsuren | it was guiness and foster's (yes: I know fosters is crap, but the pub didn't have grolsch, and that's what the locals use as a substitute :P) |
| 23:30.43 | Renze | alsuren: I prefer microbrewery beers :) |
| 23:31.02 | alsuren | Renze: I live in london: there is no such thing |
| 23:31.15 | Renze | alsuren: I live in NZ... plenty of them here :) |
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| 23:32.41 | alsuren | only time I get anything interesting to drink is when I go to beer festivals in cambridge |
| 23:33.17 | alsuren | where in NZ, I may have at least passed throut |
| 23:33.19 | alsuren | gh there |
| 23:33.24 | Renze | Wellington |
| 23:33.34 | alsuren | hrrrm |
| 23:34.29 | alsuren | It was about 5 years ago |
| 23:34.29 | Renze | the capital city |
| 23:35.14 | alsuren | yeah, been through there |
| 23:35.31 | alsuren | in a campervan with the family when I was about 12 :D |
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| 23:35.45 | Renze | didn't stop for microbrewery beers, then? ;) |
| 23:35.55 | alsuren | unsurprisingly, no |
| 23:36.03 | Renze | pity :) |
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| 23:36.17 | alsuren | we went to a restaurant, and had the best muscles my dad had ever had |
| 23:36.26 | Renze | "mussels" :) |
| 23:36.28 | alsuren | but I fell asleep on the table |
| 23:36.30 | alsuren | sorry |
| 23:36.41 | alsuren | I don't eat the things very often |
| 23:36.44 | Renze | I prefer scallops, personally, but they cost more :D |
| 23:37.01 | Renze | of course not... the shellfish around the UK are full of heavy metals :D |
| 23:37.02 | alsuren | don't know if I've ever had any |
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| 23:37.56 | alsuren | *laughs* that's what we get for starting the industrial revolution I guess |
| 23:38.09 | Renze | yup :) |
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| 23:38.43 | qupada | not unless someone shows up who actually has a kde question |
| 23:38.45 | psychollek | didnt work - problem is somwhere else |
| 23:38.56 | Xeniux | alguien para hablar |
| 23:39.18 | Renze | Xeniux: Inglés, por favor |
| 23:39.22 | alsuren | psychollek: what do you have currently installed |
| 23:39.23 | alsuren | ? |
| 23:39.42 | Xeniux | no solom español |
| 23:39.51 | Renze | Xeniux: #kde-es |
| 23:39.53 | psychollek | well i've installed kxkb to have the gui ;] -but it didn't work ;] |
| 23:40.02 | alsuren | and have you restarted kde since you installed it (it does checks at startup for some things: might help) |
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| 23:40.42 | qupada | psychollek: are you saying the 'keyboard layout' module is empty? |
| 23:41.12 | qupada | because i had that problem like a week ago |
| 23:41.16 | psychollek | no no |
| 23:41.33 | psychollek | it's working perfectly |
| 23:41.42 | alsuren | psychollek: what's the list of things that want to be installed if you emerge -pv kdebase-meta? |
| 23:41.52 | psychollek | but the problem have to be somwhere else |
| 23:42.08 | psychollek | i said earlier that most propably it's qt problem |
| 23:42.41 | ironfroggy | is there some way to move things between iCal resources in Kontact? |
| 23:43.31 | psychollek | kdebugdialog klipper ksystraycmd kdcop ktip kpager kstart nspluginsksysguard |
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| 23:44.10 | alsuren | psychollek: if it's working on the "sec computer", try doing diffs beteen the two systems |
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| 23:44.59 | psychollek | another time - i've to sleep |
| 23:45.13 | Johnathan | Hi there, can I ask KDE development question in this channel? |
| 23:45.34 | alsuren | Renze: they're called gentoo users. I come under that category too, but only so I can get kopete-0.12 :D |
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| 23:45.36 | Renze | Johnathan: you can... but you might want to try #kde-devel too |
| 23:45.49 | Renze | alsuren: so am I, but I used emerge kde-meta :D |
| 23:46.06 | Johnathan | Thanks for the info Renze. |
| 23:46.10 | Renze | Johnathan: no problem |
| 23:46.17 | alsuren | Johnathan: you can, but if we don't know, we'll probably point you at #kde-devel |
| 23:46.37 | alsuren | and darn my inebriety: he got there before me :( |
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| 23:47.28 | Johnathan | Ok, here goes... |
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| 23:48.05 | alsuren | Renze: I couldn't be arsed with the entirety of kde-meta. kdeaccessibilty and kdeedutainment add nothing to my install |
| 23:48.34 | Renze | alsuren: I wanted kttsd so my computer would have a nice female voice :D |
| 23:49.52 | alsuren | Renze: have you noticed that the festival voices can't pronounce their 'D's? |
| 23:49.54 | Renze | alsuren: plus since I do user support here, it helps to have all of KDE |
| 23:50.06 | Renze | alsuren: it depends on the voice. |
| 23:50.14 | Renze | I think I'm using an mbrola one |
| 23:50.54 | Renze | yeah, us1_mbrola |
| 23:51.18 | alsuren | that's a voice that *can* pronounce D? |
| 23:51.23 | Johnathan | I tried checking out kdelibs (branch) just now, was working fine when I saw fit to CTRL-C (er... I won't bore you with my stupidity :p). So now I'm left with a partial directory of kdelibs. Could I get SVN to check out the rest of the directory for me. the alternative is to remove the directory entirely, and start anew - not a good option, since I'm on dialup :( |
| 23:51.26 | Renze | let me test |
| 23:51.55 | Renze | barely |
| 23:51.59 | Renze | but good enough |
| 23:52.36 | Renze | Johnathan: svn up ? |
| 23:53.08 | alsuren | meh. probably no better than any of the others. can't be arsed with that if it's going to sound like a lazy yank |
| 23:53.22 | Renze | not using any of the uk voices? |
| 23:53.42 | alsuren | the UK voices are no better at D |
| 23:55.59 | Renze | I'm waiting for a good female NZ voice :D |
| 23:56.10 | Renze | not Auckland, though... too close to Australian :D |
| 23:56.36 | qupada | Renze: and not too far south... don't want a voice that rolls it's r's |
| 23:56.48 | alsuren | Renze: last time I tried checking out from SVN, there were a set of files from another server that only got checked out once from svn co |
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| 23:56.53 | Renze | qupada: yeah, central NZ accent |
| 23:57.18 | Renze | alsuren: I was just guessing, considering I've barely ever touched svn :D |
| 23:57.58 | qupada | alsuren: Renze is right, svn up should complete a partial checkout |
| 23:58.06 | alsuren | Renze: same here. I'm sure Johnathan can ask in -devel if uo doesn't work |
| 23:58.09 | Renze | \o/ |
| 23:58.20 | alsuren | ~up |
| 23:58.25 | apt | Replacement program for uptime.. URL: http://www.burdell.org/up.php3 |
| 23:58.30 | alsuren | oh not again! |
| 23:58.37 | Renze | stop taunting the bot :D |
| 23:59.01 | Renze | and that link is broken anyway :D |
| 23:59.19 | Renze | ~up is the opposite of down |
| 23:59.20 | apt | ...but up is already something else... |
| 23:59.26 | alsuren | stop making me laugh when I'm tring to drink water: I need to dilute the alcohol |
| 23:59.28 | Renze | ~up is the opposite of down, damnit! |
| 23:59.30 | apt | ...but up is already something else... |
