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| 00:14.26 | Alethes | is there a means to put an image in a passive popup using knotify or kdialog or something? |
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| 00:36.52 | LinuxUser28447 | hello? |
| 00:37.37 | LinuxUser28447 | ? |
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| 00:40.44 | LinuxUser28447 | is anyone in this channel that can help me with a kernal issue? |
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| 00:42.25 | federico-II | woa |
| 00:42.31 | federico-II | a mouthful of a topic |
| 00:42.55 | federico-II | Quck question: how do I switch resolutions quickly (say, when hooking up to a projector) |
| 00:43.16 | federico-II | resapplet works.... is there something more KDEish ? |
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| 00:46.53 | federico-II | anyone ? |
| 00:48.10 | seezer | federico-II: ctrl+alt and '+' or '-' |
| 00:48.14 | seezer | on most default setups |
| 00:48.31 | seezer | switches through the modes given in xorg.conf |
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| 01:01.45 | LinuxUser28447 | is anyone in this converesation? |
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| 01:02.17 | LinuxUser28447 | hello? |
| 01:02.19 | thechris | kde regex help plz |
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| 01:02.27 | thechris | need to do trailing context matching |
| 01:02.36 | LinuxUser28447 | i need some help with my new kernal |
| 01:02.48 | StevenR | LinuxUser28447: this is the wrong place for kernel help |
| 01:03.13 | LinuxUser28447 | i cant find a kernal group, could u please direct me to one |
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| 01:03.29 | StevenR | LinuxUser28447: #kernel not easy enough ? |
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| 01:07.28 | jurojin | anyone build the KDElibs/win directory recently ? |
| 01:07.47 | jurojin | cmake is complaining about some missing QT vars, just wondering what the should be |
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| 01:07.57 | LinuxUser28447 | no one is responding on that channel |
| 01:08.14 | StevenR | LinuxUser28447: well try in your distro's channel then? |
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| 01:09.15 | LinuxUser28447 | suse 10.0 channel? |
| 01:09.30 | annma | jurojin: tehre are mailing lists for kdelibs on win32 |
| 01:09.42 | sander--- | #opensuse is for suse 10 |
| 01:09.44 | StevenR | LinuxUser28447: #suse |
| 01:09.58 | LinuxUser28447 | Thank you very much |
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| 01:10.45 | StevenR | annma: met up with philrod today, when he was up in ed :) |
| 01:10.52 | annma | :) |
| 01:10.54 | annma | cool |
| 01:11.11 | annma | jurojin: what vars exactly? |
| 01:11.37 | annma | StevenR: he went back to UK today? |
| 01:11.52 | annma | ed -> Edimburgh? |
| 01:11.54 | StevenR | annma: he didn't leave the uk, he went back to ox today |
| 01:11.58 | annma | lol |
| 01:11.59 | annma | OK |
| 01:12.01 | StevenR | Edinburgh yes |
| 01:12.11 | annma | i read ed I translated FOSDEM |
| 01:12.18 | jurojin | annma: right, er and that helps me how ? |
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| 01:12.28 | jurojin | must we traul for everything... |
| 01:12.35 | annma | jurojin: paste the errors from cmake in pastebin |
| 01:12.36 | StevenR | annma: you need to change the batteries in your translator :P |
| 01:12.42 | jurojin | theres an out of date wiki page for win32, thats about it |
| 01:12.53 | annma | jurojin: it is not guaranteed kdelibs builds in any case |
| 01:13.07 | annma | so either you are smart and want to hack on it |
| 01:13.08 | jurojin | annma: fare enough, but id like to atleast try... |
| 01:13.11 | annma | or you drop it |
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| 01:13.34 | annma | so paste te error for a start |
| 01:13.38 | jurojin | annma: i am smart and want to hack, i just don't want to piss hours of my life away on simple things like building |
| 01:13.55 | annma | well hacking is building in that stage |
| 01:14.02 | jurojin | annma: building is not what i classify as good use of time |
| 01:14.05 | annma | as it is in linux |
| 01:14.19 | annma | hacking on kde4 is building kde4 |
| 01:14.33 | jurojin | annma: what, in the same way that looking up which class is needed for to create another in java's ridiculous libraries is programming ? |
| 01:14.36 | mankeletor | annma, im rebuilding kde packages with arts |
| 01:14.38 | jurojin | annma: i don't think so... |
| 01:14.39 | mankeletor | :) |
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| 01:14.56 | annma | jurojin: you don't think so but I know it is |
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| 01:15.03 | annma | I hack on kde4, jurojin |
| 01:15.22 | StevenR | annma: what are you doing in kde4? edu stuff? |
| 01:15.25 | jurojin | annma: well, fine... we have different definitions of coding then |
| 01:15.27 | annma | so you don't seem ready at all for doing it |
| 01:15.39 | jurojin | annma: i just want to get to the code bit, and dispense with the configuration bit |
| 01:15.54 | annma | StevenR: I fixed crashes yesterday, I also make kdeedu build yes |
| 01:15.59 | StevenR | cool :) |
| 01:16.01 | jurojin | annma: anyway, whats this pastebin thing then ? |
| 01:16.02 | annma | jurojin: ten wait |
| 01:16.14 | annma | wait a few more moths |
| 01:16.26 | annma | until we get at least the building system right |
| 01:16.34 | annma | we don't even know which one we take |
| 01:16.38 | jurojin | annma: ive jumped through a few hoops already with cmake 2.3.3 bootstrapped from 2.2 etc, installed qt, gave up trying to build that and then installed the bindaries |
| 01:16.53 | annma | you need cmake from cvs by the way |
| 01:17.01 | jurojin | annma: then cmake wants the kdelibs/win dir built first, but requires some weird environs i dont have |
| 01:17.17 | jurojin | annma: yea, did that... pain in the arse as it was |
| 01:17.22 | annma | hmmm |
| 01:17.34 | annma | you are not ready for it |
| 01:17.43 | jurojin | annma: is this some kindof zen thing ? |
| 01:17.59 | annma | ? |
| 01:18.00 | jurojin | annma: rofl, seriously, theres a diff between development and testing ones own patience |
| 01:18.10 | annma | ... |
| 01:18.15 | jurojin | annma: "you are not ready for it" |
| 01:18.20 | annma | true |
| 01:18.20 | jurojin | annma: :) |
| 01:18.37 | jurojin | annma: im trying i really am... |
| 01:18.59 | annma | if you don't want to look/subscribe to mailing lists, if you don't want to hack the build system kdelibs4 is not for you now |
| 01:19.07 | jurojin | annma: in a vain last ditch hope, ive reinstalled qt with the environ vars option set |
| 01:19.08 | annma | ask any other kde devel |
| 01:19.27 | jurojin | annma: hack != configure |
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| 01:19.43 | annma | yes but for kde4 we are in configure phase |
| 01:19.52 | annma | so hack will be later |
| 01:20.03 | jurojin | annma: so your trying to say that the scripts dont work ? |
| 01:20.05 | annma | if you want to hack on kde, use kde3 for linux |
| 01:20.15 | annma | exactly jurojin |
| 01:20.18 | jurojin | annma: cos cmake seems tantilisingly close... |
| 01:20.28 | annma | a devel who tried it on win said he failed |
| 01:21.21 | jurojin | annma: well... im not prepared to say ive failed becuase i dont know something |
| 01:21.40 | jurojin | annma: like, an obvious missing environment variable doesn't constitute failure |
| 01:21.54 | annma | what i am saying is that if you want to hack on kdelibs you have to fixe the build first |
| 01:21.55 | jurojin | annma: someone checked in this win dir, so i recon it must be good for something |
| 01:22.05 | annma | so paste the damn error |
| 01:22.08 | jurojin | annma: the build aint broke |
| 01:22.11 | annma | google for pastebin |
| 01:22.20 | annma | and paste the cmake message |
| 01:22.47 | annma | in fact read channel topic |
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| 01:23.32 | jurojin | annma: SET_TARGET_PROPERTIES, win/CMakeLists.txt:78 "cannot find target to add properties to:kdecore" |
| 01:23.46 | jurojin | annma: sorry, cant copy n paste anyway, so its easier to type it in |
| 01:24.03 | jurojin | annma: its not a long error |
| 01:24.35 | annma | what is CMakeLists.txt line 78? |
| 01:24.51 | jurojin | annma: anyway, the other one is just two missing environment vars QT_QT3SUPPORT_LIBRARY, QTCORE_LIBRARY |
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| 01:25.27 | jurojin | annma: set_target_properties(kdecore PROPERTIES VERSION 4.2.0 SOVERSION 4 ) |
| 01:25.37 | jurojin | annma: thats your line 78 |
| 01:27.24 | stoned | hi guys |
| 01:28.10 | annma | isn't that in not win section? |
| 01:28.20 | stoned | I am using a very huge hosts file for adblocking. but there are still a bunch of them on pages. Is there anything similar to a remove it permanently plugin as in for firefox. basically you can remove any elemtnt from a page permanently |
| 01:28.35 | stoned | and also, I need mouse gestures, are there any for konqueror |
| 01:29.02 | stoned | I actually prefer khtml than firefox engine |
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| 01:29.11 | stoned | aren't they both using mozilla? |
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| 01:29.23 | stoned | firefox seems to render pages a lot slower than konq. |
| 01:29.27 | Woosta | Has anyone yet worked out a way to replace linebreaks in a replace in kwrite? |
| 01:29.43 | Woosta | (or kate, or anything else that uses that engine) |
| 01:29.49 | stoned | Woosta, line breaks can be eliminated with regex |
| 01:29.53 | stoned | Woosta, try kate |
| 01:30.04 | stoned | and also learn regex |
| 01:30.06 | Woosta | stoned: yes, but how |
| 01:30.17 | Woosta | stoned: I'm a perl developer and I use kate |
| 01:30.17 | stoned | very very invaluable tool |
| 01:30.17 | stoned | or valuable tool |
| 01:30.18 | stoned | i can't do english |
| 01:30.28 | stoned | Woosta, then it shouldn't be a problem for you |
| 01:30.29 | Woosta | Once again, how do you match a line break? |
| 01:30.32 | Woosta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.42 | stoned | oh nm, I thought you meant empty lines |
| 01:30.43 | Woosta | Nor doe \0x010 |
| 01:30.58 | Woosta | I said 'line breaks' not 'empty lines' |
| 01:31.20 | stoned | its not a matter of what you said, its a matter of what I understood |
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| 01:31.38 | Woosta | So, back to the original question .. does anyone know how? |
| 01:31.40 | stoned | sorry for attempting to help you |
| 01:31.47 | annma | Woosta: Tools -> Join Lines maybe |
| 01:31.51 | annma | in Kate |
| 01:31.57 | Woosta | But that's not what I want either .. |
| 01:32.05 | annma | why not? |
| 01:32.13 | stoned | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 01:32.16 | Woosta | because it just deletes them |
| 01:32.16 | StevenR | Woosta: use the regex in the find/replace dialog, make sure you check the regular expression box..maybe you need to quote it..it'll probably be using pcre if you know that syntax |
| 01:32.17 | annma | what exactly do yo want then? |
| 01:32.27 | Woosta | I want to replace a line break with some other set of characters |
| 01:32.39 | annma | ah, so like StevenR said |
| 01:32.47 | Woosta | StevenR: tried that ... |
| 01:32.52 | stoned | just I said too, not in so many words |
| 01:33.55 | Woosta | a backslash in the replacement value just results in a backslash |
| 01:35.14 | stoned | \r\n matches a carriage return |
| 01:35.26 | stoned | try that |
| 01:35.52 | Woosta | The only solution I've found to date is to write a JS replace. But that only takes static values so I have to edit the script every time |
| 01:36.07 | Woosta | stoned: did you try it? |
| 01:36.13 | jurojin | annma: yo |
| 01:36.13 | stoned | n= linefeed r=carriage return |
| 01:36.30 | stoned | or in orhter words line break |
| 01:36.42 | Woosta | Yes. I know. But it doesn't work |
| 01:36.43 | jurojin | annma: think i might get lucky here, added a couple of lines to the top of the CMakeList.txt file for those environs and commented out the other offending one |
| 01:37.13 | jurojin | annma: just need to know where the QT libs are now, i assume thats the ".a" file under qt\4.1.1\lib |
| 01:37.22 | jurojin | annma: even though windows will look for a .lib ?? |
| 01:38.43 | jurojin | yep, ok... anyone know where QT puts its .lib files under windows ?? |
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| 01:44.05 | stoned | Woosta, there could be an indirect solution |
| 01:44.11 | stoned | with my limited knowledge |
| 01:44.36 | Woosta | stoned: as I said, all I've ever found is using static JS with the latest release .. :( |
| 01:45.17 | stoned | nevermind then |
| 01:45.29 | stoned | you should hit up some regex nerds, its gotta be possible with just it |
| 01:46.01 | Woosta | I *am* a regex nerd .. but kate just doesn't work .. I wish I was a c++ nerd so I could fix the source! |
| 01:46.29 | StevenR | Woosta: what sort of things did you try? |
| 01:47.18 | Woosta | heh .. let's think ... \n, [\n\r]+, \0x010, $.^ |
| 01:47.39 | Woosta | mm .. not 010 .. whatever the char code is .. |
| 01:47.54 | stoned | Woosta, here is an idea |
| 01:48.17 | StevenR | Woosta: i also tried things like "\n" '\n' [\n] ["\n"] etc.....with combos of $ ^ and . included |
| 01:48.38 | stoned | Woosta, use $ and tack a junk character to the end of each line. then use kate to join all the lines. then replace every instance of that newly added char/string with whatever you want |
| 01:48.44 | annma | jurojin: can you do a search? |
| 01:49.46 | Woosta | StevenR: quoting doesn't help (which is a relief really, that'd be even weirder than it not working at all) |
| 01:50.03 | StevenR | Woosta: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Q1ZlYq70.html here's a quite work in progress script for search replace functions |
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| 01:50.24 | Snake__ | Hey guys, I have quite a few questions.... is that alright? |
| 01:50.25 | StevenR | I'm fairly certain if you specify \n as \\n it'll work |
| 01:51.02 | stoned | it will not |
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| 01:51.09 | stoned | no need for a \\ |
| 01:51.11 | StevenR | Snake__: it might be...we wont know until you ask them....go ahead :) there's no need to ask permission to ask |
| 01:51.20 | StevenR | stoned: yes, or shell breaks it |
| 01:51.36 | Woosta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.39 | stoned | depending on where its used |
| 01:51.39 | Snake__ | 1. Where can I edit the symbol that kmenu uses (the K) where can I find the picture that goes along the K menu, and how do I stop it from showing recently used apps? |
| 01:51.41 | stoned | tola ya |
| 01:51.42 | Woosta | And once again, it shouldn't |
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| 01:51.50 | stoned | told* |
| 01:52.11 | StevenR | stoned: hmm used be the behaviour....so long since i wrote it anyway |
| 01:52.15 | stoned | Woosta, does my workaround suggest? |
| 01:52.22 | stoned | er.. solve anything |
| 01:52.28 | StevenR | stoned: at one point it certianly did that |
| 01:52.33 | Woosta | stoned: it would, but it would also be an annoyingly crazy way to do it |
| 01:52.52 | stoned | Woosta, in like 3-4 steps |
| 01:52.56 | StevenR | Woosta: why not just use perl to do it? |
| 01:53.01 | stoned | c'mon, at least you can do it now with kate |
| 01:53.06 | stoned | thanks to my genius |
| 01:53.07 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:53.11 | stoned | j/k |
| 01:53.12 | Snake__ | Anyone? |
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| 01:53.35 | Woosta | StevenR: I'm happy to do it in anything .. I just want to do it within kate .. |
| 01:53.37 | StevenR | Snake__: you can change the icon theme, or make your own small one that replaces it. |
| 01:53.51 | Snake__ | StevenR: I would like to replace it, but what file do I replace |
| 01:53.51 | stoned | Woosta, you CAN do it in kate, albiet a bit crazily |
| 01:54.13 | annma | Snake__: read the FAQ, see topic |
| 01:54.18 | StevenR | Snake__: in kcontrol, under desktop, panels you can set the menu options |
| 01:54.19 | Snake__ | Alright |
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| 01:54.31 | annma | for Recently used apps, look in KControl |
| 01:54.32 | Snake__ | StevenR: thank you again :) |
| 01:54.35 | StevenR | np |
| 01:54.39 | Snake__ | :) |
| 01:54.40 | annma | there's a setting for it |
| 01:54.54 | Snake__ | annma: I looked around but couldnt find it, ill continue my hunt |
| 01:55.03 | StevenR | Woosta: run a perl script from the konsole part of kate...that's in kate still! |
| 01:55.10 | Woosta | heh |
| 01:55.18 | stoned | Snake__, right click the panel and find the option for configure panel |
| 01:55.49 | annma | Snake__: KControl -> Desktop -> Panels -> K Menu |
| 01:56.01 | annma | K Menu -> Menus |
| 01:56.06 | annma | i mean |
| 01:56.20 | annma | thanks |
| 01:56.24 | jurojin | eck, this is suckful... |
| 01:56.30 | stoned | i love aseigo cheese breat at subway |
| 01:56.32 | stoned | its delicious |
| 01:56.46 | jurojin | qt4 doesnt supply lib's but they obbiously build them to get the dll's that are in the bin dir |
| 01:57.18 | stoned | where can i find extra extentions/plugins for konq. I would like mouse gestures for browsing, since its a pain to click back/forward etc. |
| 01:57.36 | aseigo | stoned: close. but that'd be asiago. =) |
| 01:57.40 | stoned | oh |
| 01:57.42 | stoned | my bad |
| 01:57.44 | aseigo | =P |
| 01:57.45 | stoned | i was only complementing |
| 01:57.47 | stoned | i love the bread |
| 01:58.06 | stoned | lol |
| 01:58.07 | aseigo | (you know, for the record and all) |
| 01:58.08 | stoned | im sure of it |
| 01:58.11 | Bread | We all love the bread :) |
| 01:58.16 | aseigo | haha |
| 01:58.17 | stoned | haha |
| 01:58.32 | stoned | need to stop smokin tobacco man |
| 01:58.37 | stoned | this is my last cig |
| 01:58.39 | aseigo | it'll kill you |
| 01:58.49 | Hairulfr | stoned: Wow your gonna be in pain |
| 01:58.52 | stoned | yeah, I just did a paper on cancer prevention in bio class |
| 01:58.55 | Hairulfr | stoned: I tried tiday |
| 01:59.01 | Hairulfr | today |
| 01:59.16 | stoned | Hairulfr, its not a problem for me. I quit for 30days without a single cig each year |
| 01:59.29 | stoned | also, I only smoke like maybe 1 pack in 1.5-2 weeks |
| 01:59.40 | stoned | I don't even know why I do it, I hate smoking |
| 01:59.42 | stoned | :( |
| 02:00.24 | stoned | so anyone with any information on mouse gestures for konq |
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| 02:00.31 | Hairulfr | stoned: I love it but hate it when I wake up, I can go for days without, but when I get really stressed I need on, not for the nicotine, just for the habit of the thing in your hands |
| 02:00.34 | stoned | google only returns crazy stuff one liners |
| 02:00.42 | mobtek | haha stoned same here |
| 02:00.55 | mobtek | I am the king of bumming a smoke :P |
| 02:00.55 | stoned | \heh |
| 02:00.58 | stoned | room mates suck |
| 02:01.01 | stoned | thats why I live alone |
| 02:01.14 | stoned | i use up maybe 2 dishes in a whole day |
| 02:01.14 | StevenR | stoned: flat, not room thankfully |
| 02:01.16 | stoned | tops |
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| 02:01.22 | Hairulfr | StevenR: U got taht problem too...Lol..Just did other ppl dishes the other day..fckers |
| 02:01.26 | stoned | StevenR, semantics, useless |
| 02:01.54 | StevenR | stoned: no, very different here...one would drive me spare, the other is quite cool |
| 02:02.24 | StevenR | Hairulfr: nah, i just stack em up neatly, and they do them..im not scrubbing that lot |
| 02:02.25 | stoned | huh? |
| 02:02.35 | Hairulfr | StevenR: haha |
| 02:02.39 | stoned | I have no idea what you just said, I am familiar with that dialect |
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| 02:02.58 | stoned | drive you spare? |
| 02:03.12 | StevenR | crazy, mad |
| 02:03.15 | stoned | oh |
| 02:03.18 | stoned | where are you from |
| 02:03.20 | StevenR | uk |
| 02:03.26 | stoned | I thought so |
| 02:03.31 | stoned | northern part yeah? |
| 02:03.34 | StevenR | aye |
| 02:03.46 | stoned | im from west bury |
| 02:03.48 | stoned | down south |
| 02:03.51 | stoned | no one here talks like that |
| 02:03.53 | stoned | :) |
| 02:04.02 | stoned | its cool, i'll have to use it now |
| 02:04.39 | stoned | oh i meant also, unfamiliar* just looked over the typo |
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| 02:09.57 | Elive_user96 | are their broken features in kde due to exposing users to too many check boxes ? ;-0) |
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| 02:11.09 | annma | Elive_user96: explain? |
| 02:11.19 | Elive_user96 | gladly |
| 02:11.25 | Elive_user96 | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00025.html |
| 02:11.43 | Elive_user96 | no flames,,I am just curious what he meant so I can 'avoid' it |
| 02:12.05 | annma | he? whom? |
| 02:12.07 | Elive_user96 | if he meant anything at all ;)) ( maybe he's being facetious) |
| 02:12.20 | Elive_user96 | Nat Friedman <nat novell com |
| 02:12.21 | annma | do you have KDE? |
| 02:12.27 | Elive_user96 | no not atm |
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| 02:12.32 | annma | you never used it? |
| 02:12.43 | Elive_user96 | annma, certainly |
| 02:12.59 | annma | so why do you care this Nathan point of view? |
| 02:13.08 | annma | Nat or whoever |
| 02:13.11 | Elive_user96 | I want to know if he's right |
| 02:13.24 | Elive_user96 | who else to ask but a kde developer |
| 02:13.33 | annma | if I say he is not, what then? |
| 02:13.44 | annma | you'll trust me on that one? |
| 02:13.47 | Elive_user96 | then he should be told not to spread fud ? |
| 02:13.51 | annma | (whois me btw) |
| 02:14.07 | Elive_user96 | I might if I knew you were a legitimate kde developer |
| 02:14.09 | annma | this is old stuff anyway |
| 02:14.16 | annma | whois me |
| 02:14.19 | Elive_user96 | possibly but worthy of verification |
| 02:14.22 | mobtek | hahah |
| 02:14.42 | annma | I am a kde devel, check in in kDE code commits |
| 02:14.48 | Elive_user96 | just for the record , I tend to agree with linus |
| 02:14.59 | Elive_user96 | annma, good enough for me |
| 02:15.14 | annma | so closed subject |
| 02:15.24 | Elive_user96 | so your saying he is wrong then |
| 02:15.52 | annma | I am saying if you use KDE and find that some things are not OK then make a wish report with a mockup |
| 02:15.56 | annma | be constructive |
| 02:16.08 | Elive_user96 | that always helps |
| 02:16.21 | annma | also in kde we don't engage in flames |
| 02:16.34 | Elive_user96 | annma, so basically there are no checkboxes that cause broken behavior atm then ? |
| 02:16.42 | Elive_user96 | who is asking you to :)) |
| 02:16.44 | annma | we are happy to see diversity for the user's sake |
| 02:16.55 | Elive_user96 | as we should |
| 02:17.17 | Elive_user96 | although I"ve seen too much diversity be bad for linux |
| 02:17.21 | Snake__ | Hey guys, ive looked around this FAQ...and I cant find anything that says how to change the image along the side of the panel |
| 02:17.22 | Elive_user96 | 500 + distros ? ;)) |
| 02:17.52 | annma | Snake__: the K button icon, right? |
| 02:18.06 | annma | is that what you wantto change, Snake__ ? |
| 02:18.18 | Snake__ | annma: No, I got that, when you click the button, it displays the distro name and or the KDE version along the side |
| 02:18.27 | annma | ohh |
| 02:18.30 | Snake__ | Thats what im looking to customize :) |
| 02:18.49 | jurojin | pleas put the following links on the win32 page |
| 02:18.50 | jurojin | http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem |
| 02:18.52 | annma | jurojin: you can edit it yourself I gather |
| 02:19.01 | jurojin | http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-windows |
| 02:19.09 | annma | wikis are for everyone, jurojin |
| 02:19.12 | jurojin | (i think you need a login) |
| 02:19.13 | annma | just do it! |
| 02:19.20 | annma | get a login |
| 02:19.21 | jurojin | bah... |
| 02:19.28 | annma | hmmm |
| 02:19.28 | jurojin | i hate meritocracies |
| 02:19.50 | annma | Snake__: hmm, let me look |
| 02:21.33 | Snake__ | thanks annma |
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| 02:24.23 | annma | Snake__: kdebase/kicker/data/kmenu_side in source |
| 02:24.30 | annma | it's grayscale |
| 02:24.52 | annma | kside.png |
| 02:25.02 | annma | Snake__: kdebase/kicker/data/kmenu_side/kside.png |
| 02:25.06 | Snake__ | annma: thank you :) |
| 02:25.16 | Snake__ | Hmm |
| 02:26.02 | Snake__ | wait...wtf?? |
| 02:26.22 | Snake__ | annma: does the color adjust with the theme?? |
| 02:26.37 | jurojin | somebody show me how to create an account on this thing |
| 02:26.38 | jurojin | http://www.kdelibs.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Special:Userlogin |
| 02:26.58 | jurojin | or just do me a favour and edit this page |
| 02:26.59 | jurojin | http://www.kdelibs.com/wiki/index.php/KDElibs4_Installation |
| 02:27.32 | annma | Snake__: probably, yes |
| 02:27.42 | Snake__ | Ah that makes sense |
| 02:28.00 | jurojin | it needs some text along the lines of, "please ignore this bollocks, the old build system is depricated, look here http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem and here http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-windows for more information." |
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| 02:34.58 | jurojin | bah, ok.. best i could do was modify this page http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDElibs+for+win32 |
| 02:36.47 | akaias | any pointerst to get a Dlink DBT120 bluetooth adaptor working? I am giving kde 3.5.1 a try (previously a gnome user). I installed kdebluetooth and followed the instructions from that site. |
| 02:37.15 | akaias | my system sees the adaptor, but kde and any and all BT tools do not. |
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| 02:46.06 | _greg | hello |
| 02:46.49 | _greg | On SUSE, I've lost the state where plugging in a USB stick auto-creates desktop icon. Path to fix? (Is this KDE Q?) thx |
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| 03:04.34 | Dave_Y | KDE developers interested in usability, please take a look at my survey: http://english.ttu.edu/survey/TakeSurvey.asp?PageNumber=1&SurveyID=31Mln3M39l5LI |
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| 03:06.09 | grepper | bjohnson_: show the logic buttons |
| 03:06.51 | bjohnson_ | ok |
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| 03:15.31 | Dave_Y | Final message: KDE developers interested in usability, please post my survey on KDE listservs. Let your opinions about usability be heard: http://english.ttu.edu/survey/TakeSurvey.asp?PageNumber=1&SurveyID=31Mln3M39l5LI Thanks! |
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| 03:20.01 | graft | hey all |
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| 03:20.22 | graft | i'm trying to figure out how to get the media autorun dialog to come up |
| 03:20.29 | graft | the one that comes up if you stick in a DVD or something |
| 03:20.45 | graft | now that i've defined an action as the default, it doesn't come up anymore |
| 03:20.58 | graft | and i want to change the default action.... but i dunno how to reach the config screen |
| 03:21.07 | graft | anyone got a clue? |
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| 03:28.00 | dev_null | I have some archetecture questions about kaddressbook, is this the right place to find information? |
| 03:29.00 | dev_null | i am on kubuntu and kde version 3.5.1 |
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| 03:39.20 | yuri_ | does anyone here know about kmoney? |
| 03:39.54 | samboski | i don't but it sounds interesting |
| 03:40.05 | samboski | i assume it's some sort of financial software? |
| 03:40.10 | yuri_ | yeah |
| 03:40.31 | yuri_ | yeah, its like quicken |
| 03:40.53 | yuri_ | I just started using it, but it seems pretty neat |
| 03:41.35 | yuri_ | kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:42.00 | samboski | thanks....it must not be very high on the google ranks yet, i was just looking |
| 03:42.12 | mobtek | try kde-apps.com |
| 03:42.41 | mobtek | yuri_: yeah it's gotten pretty good |
| 03:43.01 | yuri_ | from what I've seen there is really only like 3 finacial software kmymoney, gnucash, and some other one ;) |
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| 03:43.33 | yuri_ | and gnucash seems too complex, it's more like for small buisnesses |
| 03:43.55 | dev_null | is anyone familiar with kaddressbook? I am trying to find out if the data is sharable over machines? |
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| 03:45.30 | yuri_ | I'm just a poor student, who's happy to have a credit card <grin> |
| 03:46.09 | S330d3r_ | I am using ktorrent and i only have 8 files open for downloading and I get a 'Cannot open .... Too many files open' error |
| 03:46.45 | S330d3r_ | and my max downloads is 0 (unlimited) and my max upload is 40 |
| 03:49.34 | yuri_ | so no one uses the program I take it |
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| 03:57.50 | S330d3r_ | anyone here use ktorrent? |
| 03:58.16 | hagabaka | i do |
| 03:58.26 | S330d3r_ | I am using ktorrent and i only have 8 files open for downloading and I get a 'Cannot open .... Too many files open' error |
| 03:58.32 | S330d3r_ | and my max downloads is 0 (unlimited) and my max upload is 40 |
| 03:58.53 | S330d3r_ | ever have that? |
| 03:59.03 | hagabaka | nope |
| 03:59.19 | hagabaka | is it making very many connections? |
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| 04:09.04 | S330d3r_ | hagabaka - not sure, how do I check |
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| 04:26.28 | [M]erk | Hello all. I'm using 3.5, and whenever I change my color scheme to dark blue, a lot of GTK applications don't show some text. Like if I move the mouse over the icon on the system tray, nothing appears. Or if there are adjustable columns, the names of the columns don't show up until I move the mouse over them. Is there any way I can fix this sort of thing, without changing the colors back to the default? |
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| 04:32.07 | pjv | how do i set num lock to be on when kde starts up? |
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| 04:33.51 | firephoto | pjv: control center, Peripherals, Keyboard, NumLock on KDE Startup |
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| 04:34.28 | pjv | Firetech: ty |
| 04:34.31 | pjv | ohh |
| 04:34.38 | pjv | firephoto: ty |
| 04:34.56 | firephoto | np |
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| 04:37.03 | dev_null | is anyone familiar with kaddressbook? I am trying to find out if the data is sharable over machines? |
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| 04:52.09 | odla | when is 4.0 expected to be released? |
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| 05:16.07 | staash | Anyone here a semi-expert on using DCOP? |
| 05:16.30 | grepper | doubtful, best just to ask tho |
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| 05:16.42 | grepper | often there are devs here, but its been quiet |
| 05:16.49 | staash | So, I'm throwing together a demo for our data center... |
| 05:17.16 | staash | We want to automate something that pops up windows, moves them around, resizes them, etc. |
| 05:17.30 | staash | It looks like Dcop can do that stuff just fine for anything that has the Dcop bindings. |
| 05:17.56 | staash | But we're going to need to do the same thing with x-windows without those bindings... like matlab java windows and such. |
| 05:18.27 | staash | What I need to know is if I can use DCOP to talk to the window manager and tell it to hide windows without dcop bindings |
| 05:18.42 | staash | Rather, windows from apps without dcop bindings |
| 05:19.15 | staash | or, at the very least, painlessly "wrap" those windows somehow so I can do the standard window manipulation stuff with them. |
| 05:19.38 | staash | Otherwise I'm going to buy a Mac and use applescript :-( |
| 05:20.15 | grepper | not sure |
| 05:20.48 | grepper | I doubt you would do it with dcop , but I dunno |
| 05:21.13 | grepper | mind, if you started the app with kstart . . . |
| 05:21.23 | staash | what's kstart? |
| 05:22.30 | grepper | even then I don't know |
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| 05:24.36 | staash | kstart could probably used as a hack, provided I could specify the window's initial size and location. |
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| 05:24.53 | staash | But then I'd have to kill and restart rather than just hiding :( |
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| 05:27.28 | storyteller | Hello all |
| 05:27.34 | staash | Hiya... |
| 05:27.51 | staash | grepper ... do you know a list or forum that I should direct my question to? |
| 05:28.14 | grepper | staash: you could try asking at a better time |
| 05:28.49 | storyteller | I'm trying to find a way to use kdialog to alert me of any unauthorized ssh login attempts...but the only way I can think of to do so is to set up a cron job to grep my auth.log file periodically, which sounds very inefficient. |
| 05:28.50 | staash | Heh... too bad my meeting with the boss man is early tomorrow. Shouldn't have slacked on this until now ;-) Oh well. |
| 05:29.29 | storyteller | I've had people tell me that syslog-ng would be better, but no one seems to be able to tell me how....can anyone help clarify this for me? |
| 05:30.23 | storyteller | Is it even possible to transparently pipe unauthorized attempts from syslog-ng to kdialog? |
| 05:30.25 | staash | No idea.... but how periodically do you want the update? |
| 05:31.02 | storyteller | I would rather have the log output go directly to kdialog, rather than wait for the next scheduled job |
| 05:32.00 | storyteller | I'm hosting a website and allowing a few admins jailed ssh access to the web tree to update the site, but want to know asap if anyone tries gaining root access or some such |
| 05:32.38 | staash | I don't know how you're going to get around polling without hacking how ssh logs, but I'm not an expert. |
| 05:32.40 | storyteller | I would just allow ftp access and not ssh, but I also want to grant admins access to mysql |
| 05:33.41 | staash | Why not allow remote mysql access and screw ssh |
| 05:33.43 | staash | ? |
| 05:34.43 | storyteller | Can I grant priveliges to crete new databases in mysql without ssh? |
| 05:34.49 | staash | Of course. |
| 05:34.52 | storyteller | s/crete/create |
| 05:35.02 | storyteller | I'm very new to mysql |
| 05:35.03 | staash | Or, at least I'm almost positive. |
| 05:35.15 | storyteller | Hence the reason I need the help of admins lol |
| 05:35.35 | staash | Mysql has decently fine-grained access control facilities. |
| 05:35.55 | storyteller | I learned databases on M$ works, and I've never gone beyond gui level database |
| 05:36.00 | grepper | staash: you might try xorg as well, though they are likely to tell you that is up to the WM |
| 05:36.03 | staash | If all you want them to do is use ftp and some mysql administration no need for mysql |
| 05:36.08 | staash | s/mysql/ssh |
| 05:36.31 | storyteller | I see...thanks, I'll look into that :) |
| 05:36.48 | grepper | also #kde-devel , though it is not really a user channel and "i didn't send you there" :) |
| 05:36.56 | staash | heh. |
| 05:37.12 | staash | I might sneak in there soon :-) |
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| 06:01.15 | blanky | how do I make the clock at the bottom right into local time or whatever instead of military |
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| 06:11.21 | rlj | is there a way to make konqueror open a link in a new tab rather than in a new window when i middle click? |
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| 06:11.59 | rlj | never mind |
| 06:12.00 | Modern_Myth | Does kdevelop work with PHP? |
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| 06:13.27 | mobtek | Modern_Myth: yuppers I'm using it at the moment for just that :) |
| 06:14.20 | Modern_Myth | mobtek: do need to have php (cli) installed to test scripts from within kdevelop? |
| 06:14.51 | mobtek | ahh I just upload to my server actually, but it does all the syntax highlighting and completion though |
| 06:16.24 | Woosta | methinks kate would be better purposed for php work .. |
| 06:17.02 | mobtek | Woosta: yeah kdevelop is a bit of overkill :) |
| 06:17.10 | Modern_Myth | hmm ... just wondering if there was the equivlent of Zend Studio |
| 06:18.38 | mobtek | Modern_Myth: you could also try Quanta Plus |
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| 06:19.07 | Modern_Myth | I'll give that a whirl and see whats up |
| 06:20.33 | Woosta | wonder how much effort would be involved in making an KHTML pane for kate .. |
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| 06:39.00 | nikotto | How can i build the latest Krita from svn? (NOT the whole koffice) |
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| 06:41.51 | patrickneville | with suse 10.0, how do you auto start programs with kde when you log in? |
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| 06:47.00 | mobtek | nikotto: ask in #krita :) |
| 06:47.17 | mobtek | oops there isn't one :) |
| 06:47.27 | mobtek | koffice hehe |
| 06:47.33 | nikotto | thanks, i looked allready there.... |
| 06:47.39 | nikotto | ok... will try that one, thanks |
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| 07:11.26 | Woosta | patrickneville: control centre > KDE Components > Session Manager would be the place to start |
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| 07:17.43 | patrickneville | thank you woosta-- are you from worcester, ma? |
| 07:19.12 | Woosta | Damnit no! |
| 07:19.25 | patrickneville | haha sorry |
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| 09:01.55 | JoeyJoeJo | how can I make kde type in different languages, specifically russian? |
| 09:05.09 | PhilRod | change your kayboard layout in kcontrol |
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| 09:46.57 | pinotree | hello |
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| 09:50.50 | PhilRod | hiya pinotree |
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| 10:03.23 | tasz | how can I roll back my kernel through yast? |
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| 10:14.20 | visik7 | tasz: this is a kde channel not a suse channel |
| 10:14.47 | tasz | some kde people may use suse too |
| 10:15.01 | pinotree | some is different from all |
| 10:15.17 | tasz | yes, so I'm asking some |
| 10:15.19 | tasz | nevermind |
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| 10:21.14 | SirKillalot | how can I change the default fonts for root? |
| 10:21.32 | PhilRod | login as root, cahnge the fonts |
| 10:21.37 | PhilRod | they'll get saved automatically |
| 10:23.18 | SirKillalot | but root logins are not allowed :-/ |
| 10:24.54 | qupada | SirKillalot: if you attack kdmrc with a text editor you can get root login |
| 10:24.57 | PhilRod | ? then why bother changing root's fonts? |
| 10:25.26 | PhilRod | cp ~/.kderc ~root/.kderc |
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| 10:26.04 | pinotree | SirKillalot: alt+f2 kcontrol (options: execute as root) |
| 10:27.07 | qupada | yay for mailing lists... 200 new email in the last 24 hours |
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| 10:30.08 | xanax` | hi |
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| 11:00.12 | AqD | hi all! |
| 11:01.22 | AqD | can I configure konqueror to open new tabs next to current tab? |
| 11:01.46 | AqD | ahh i found it :P |
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| 11:31.36 | tilgovi | I can´t seem to enter accented characters in openoffice but I can do it everywhere else in KDE. Anyone else have this problem or a solution? |
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| 12:05.30 | xroberx | hi |
| 12:05.37 | xroberx | any "gentooer" in here ? |
| 12:05.43 | Sho_ | yup. |
| 12:05.49 | mark_alec | yes |
| 12:05.58 | xroberx | Sho_: have you upgraded koffice ? it forces me to install ruby |
| 12:06.07 | Sho_ | There's also a #gentoo-kde, however |
| 12:06.17 | Sho_ | xroberx: I have Ruby anyway, I'm afraid :) |
| 12:06.37 | xroberx | but, do you think forcing you to install it is ok ? |
| 12:06.47 | Sho_ | A number of KDE apps have recently introduced Ruby dependencies, however |
| 12:06.53 | Sho_ | amaroK, for example |
| 12:07.15 | Sho_ | xroberx: It's probably okay, I speculate Kexi app scripting may use it, or Krita |
| 12:07.28 | xroberx | yup, but i'm sure that's optional |
| 12:07.39 | xroberx | you can always use python scripting |
| 12:07.57 | Sho_ | xroberx: Well, emerge -pv will show you what USE flags affect the packages; perhaps you can set -ruby for the specific offender in package.use |
| 12:08.32 | xroberx | Sho_: i've already tried to set -ruby but the packages don't look for that USE flag |
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| 12:09.09 | Sho_ | xroberx: Any particular reason you want to keep Ruby off your system? |
| 12:09.29 | xroberx | Sho_: well, i don't like ruby :P |
| 12:09.53 | Sho_ | xroberx: Nor do I (way to perlesque), but you'll likely see it used and relied upon more and more |
| 12:10.05 | Sho_ | xroberx: You're fighting an uphill battle there :) |
| 12:10.05 | xroberx | i see |
| 12:10.28 | Sho_ | xroberx: One reason is that the KDE Ruby bindings are quite good apparently |
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| 12:11.36 | xroberx | PyQT is also very good, and that's not a reason to force you to install python if you don't like it |
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| 12:12.01 | Sho_ | xroberx: Well, I believe KDE already depends on Python |
| 12:12.34 | Sho_ | xroberx: And as I said, popular KDE apps like amaroK are now introducing Ruby dependencies (theoretically optional, although the Gentoo ebuild for 1.4beta1 has it as a hard dependency currently) |
| 12:13.07 | Sho_ | xroberx: Personally, I'm expecting both Python and Ruby to become standard parts of the Linux desktop not before too long |
| 12:14.16 | Sho_ | GraveDigger: They were probably damaged by Perl :) |
| 12:14.22 | xroberx | lol |
| 12:15.24 | GraveDigger | lol |
| 12:16.01 | xroberx | well, anyway the download is fairly lightweight |
| 12:16.26 | Sho_ | yeah, it's a fairly speedy compile as well. |
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| 12:50.26 | SirKillalot | a kde icon theme is a tar.gz file, right? |
| 12:50.53 | Hobbsee | SirKillalot: yes, it should be |
| 12:51.04 | StevenR | SirKillalot: or tar.bz2 |
| 12:51.18 | SirKillalot | hm, I cant install it :( |
| 12:51.26 | SirKillalot | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=14788 |
| 12:51.27 | SirKillalot | this one |
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| 12:59.11 | StevenR | SirKillalot: if you look in the archive, you'll see that you need to build the iconset first |
| 12:59.35 | SirKillalot | thank you! |
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| 13:57.10 | tue | Hey all. This is not a kde related question, but since its a slow day i hope it dosnt matter. I have multiple machines and a server, and it would be neat to have an easy way to synchronize the data between these machines (like documents etc), i was thinking of putting up and CVS server but i wondered if any of you knew this "problem" and what you have done? |
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| 14:00.01 | aseigo | tue: rsync, nfs, samba ... |
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| 14:02.04 | tue | aseigo: okay, ill look into it. |
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| 14:13.50 | visik7 | tue: I use nfs + pam with ldap |
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| 14:16.02 | trollichon | Hello everybody |
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| 14:17.47 | trollichon | Maybe someone here can help me. Does someone knows how to make konqueror/kde do not cache the content of a virtual folder created my an ioslave ? |
| 14:18.52 | trollichon | I am asking because, I cannot get the content of my virtual folder updated as long as I don't press the RELOAD button in konqueror when calling my virtual folder a second time. |
| 14:19.06 | trollichon | Does that make sense to someone ? |
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| 14:20.15 | kdehl | Is there no documentation on WriteUp yet? I can't seem to find any. Is it to become a replacemant for kword or something? |
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| 14:33.21 | bartden | hi, howcome i cant select SMB windows share in The Printing configuration of kde |
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| 14:41.20 | zly | Hi. I Have a personal menu with items in the K menu, that i would like to backup, so that i can apply it If i reinstall my system. How can i do this ? |
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| 14:58.23 | AqD | hi all! |
| 15:02.09 | AqD | :) |
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| 15:02.28 | annma | cool |
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| 15:07.20 | map_ | my keyboard has some extra keys for which I need to manually specify "keycode nnn = XF86Something" with xmodmap. when I switch keyboard layouts in KDE, these settings are lost. is there a way to do this in KDE without xmodmap? |
| 15:07.30 | Hairulfr | Hello all |
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| 15:15.14 | yuriks | hi |
| 15:15.36 | yuriks | how can I make konsole use X composting for the background? |
| 15:15.59 | yuriks | (Slackware 10.2 KDE 3.4.2) |
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| 15:23.37 | StarScream | yuriks: add the composite flag to xorg |
| 15:23.41 | StarScream | i imagine |
| 15:24.03 | StarScream | Option "Composite" ""Enable" i think |
| 15:24.04 | StarScream | from memory |
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| 15:34.50 | yuriks | StarScream: in what section that goes? I arleady have the fancy effects enabled |
| 15:35.05 | yuriks | Just want to make Konsole use it for the bg |
| 15:37.27 | Chryseus | How about right click the window handle -> configure window behaviour -> translucency? |
| 15:38.32 | yuriks | Well, I set it up to have opaque windows when they are focused |
| 15:38.40 | yuriks | and 50% translucid windows when unfocused |
| 15:39.01 | yuriks | Can't I have the background be always translucid? |
| 15:39.16 | yuriks | (like with that setting where it tints the wallpaper, but with composting) |
| 15:39.46 | straw | translucent. the word is translucent |
| 15:40.02 | yuriks | k |
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| 15:40.10 | yuriks | translucent* |
| 15:40.58 | Chryseus | I don't think it's possible.. but you could also try changing windows specific settings for konsole? |
| 15:41.03 | straw | konsole can't do that as of yet. you can make the entire window translucent |
| 15:41.12 | yuriks | ah |
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| 15:41.28 | yuriks | well, I'll just stick with the wallpaper bg then |
| 15:41.59 | Narada | hi guys; how do i install a theme for kde and a theme for kdm? i am new to kde |
| 15:43.16 | Chryseus | control center -> appearance & themes -> theme manager -> install new theme.. then just pick the tar.gz package for theme you've downloaded somewhere |
| 15:43.27 | Narada | okay and for kdm? |
| 15:43.46 | Chryseus | propably same way.. never used those |
| 15:44.05 | Narada | you mean you stuck to default kdm theme? it's ugly :) |
| 15:44.19 | Chryseus | I have automatic logon |
| 15:44.28 | Narada | ah |
| 15:44.35 | Narada | any themes you would recommend for kde? |
| 15:44.38 | Narada | there's so many |
| 15:45.10 | yuriks | woot, my windows are so translucent that I can see my desktop =P |
| 15:45.30 | Narada | using what? composite or opengl? |
| 15:45.42 | yuriks | composite |
| 15:46.33 | Narada | hmm i disabled composite |
| 15:46.51 | yuriks | hmmm, xchat isn't wanting to fade out |
| 15:47.46 | Chryseus | Narada: polyester is pretty nice imho |
| 15:48.39 | Narada | i see |
| 15:48.51 | yuriks | what's polyester? |
| 15:48.58 | Chryseus | theme for kde |
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| 15:49.55 | yuriks | heh, I'm still using plastik XD |
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| 15:51.28 | Narada | Chryseus: install new theme won't show me the tar.gz file to pick |
| 15:51.53 | Chryseus | fjdkaö.. |
| 15:52.00 | yuriks | Why ppl are still using gz? bz2 is way better =P |
| 15:52.05 | Chryseus | You need to compile it lol :D |
| 15:52.08 | annma | Narada: read the README on the webpage |
| 15:52.18 | annma | Narada: some themes need to be compiled |
| 15:52.20 | Narada | oh well i was following your instructions literally |
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| 15:53.39 | Narada | where is the readme |
| 15:54.19 | yuriks | hmmm, anyone has any ideia of why xchat doesn't fades when it loses focus? |
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| 15:54.48 | Chryseus | Narada: what theme are you trying to install and what distro do you have? |
| 15:54.55 | Narada | i have to ./configure, make and make install as root? |
| 15:55.03 | Narada | i am installing polyester on gentoo |
| 15:55.19 | Chryseus | just a sec.. it's in the portage ;) |
| 15:55.23 | Narada | it is? |
| 15:55.28 | Chryseus | yes.. |
| 15:55.39 | Narada | great but i already searched for polyester |
| 15:56.05 | Chryseus | it's just named polymer |
| 15:56.14 | Chryseus | Don't know why :P |
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| 15:56.37 | Narada | hmm let me try that |
| 15:56.58 | Narada | it doesn't even say that it is for kde |
| 15:57.00 | Narada | installing now anyway |
| 15:57.09 | Narada | that's very unlike portage practice |
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| 15:57.54 | Chryseus | wth.. |
| 15:58.15 | Chryseus | Don't tell me I'm lying again ;D |
| 15:58.22 | Chryseus | ..more beer |
| 15:58.44 | Narada | umm the theme is still not appearing |
| 15:59.02 | Chryseus | grr.. let me have a look.. just a second |
| 15:59.22 | Narada | i now have one called platinum though which looks nice :) |
| 15:59.32 | Narada | so i'm happy for now; i've picked platinum |
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| 15:59.58 | Narada | although if you do find out which package it is do let me know |
| 16:01.02 | Chryseus | ah.. this was this.. if you search polyester in kde-look.org you get hits like polyester (aka polymer) which isn't quite true.. confused me too :) |
| 16:01.42 | Chryseus | but there's ebuild under polyester 0.7.1 |
| 16:02.01 | Chryseus | You need to digest that and then you can just emerge polyester |
| 16:02.30 | Narada | yeah but what folder hierarchy does that ebuild go under |
| 16:03.24 | Chryseus | /usr/local/portage/uumm..something?/x11-themes/polyester/polyester-0.7.1.ebuild |
| 16:03.36 | Narada | hehe okay :) |
| 16:06.44 | Narada | thanks for your help |
| 16:06.57 | Narada | now i have to figure out why dbdesigner doesn't let me drag field names around |
| 16:07.04 | Narada | but that may not be related to kde |
| 16:07.11 | Narada | in fact i don't know what that is related to |
| 16:07.13 | Chryseus | np.. sry I led you to wrong way first! :D |
| 16:07.22 | Narada | no worries |
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| 16:11.11 | Narada | what's the kde chat client btw |
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| 16:11.22 | Narada | is it only the one in kopete |
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| 16:12.39 | Tm_T | Narada: Kopete is for IM in overall, Konversation for IRC |
| 16:13.04 | yuriks | how can I see if hardware acel is enabled in X? |
| 16:13.05 | Tm_T | although I prefer Irssi as IRC client |
| 16:13.45 | Narada | i'm using irssi now |
| 16:14.01 | Narada | but i wanted to go against myself and force myself to try something graphica |
| 16:14.01 | Chryseus | irssi is all you need :) |
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| 16:14.06 | Narada | *graphical |
| 16:14.08 | yuriks | xchat here |
| 16:14.16 | Narada | well i'm doing the whole "kde thing" you know |
| 16:14.21 | Chryseus | xchat uses gtk :/ |
| 16:14.21 | Polar | Thers Konversation. |
| 16:14.21 | grepper | yuriks: glxinfo |grep direct |
| 16:14.28 | yuriks | thx |
| 16:14.34 | Sho_ | Narada: Konversation and KSirc are the two primary KDE IRC clients |
| 16:14.52 | Narada | there's two? oh man; how do i decide :) |
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| 16:15.45 | Sho_ | Narada: I'm biased, but I believe Konversation to have the friendler and more modern UI |
| 16:16.30 | Narada | i see; okay i'll try that |
| 16:16.42 | Sho_ | Narada: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9927 |
| 16:16.59 | yuriks | I don't seem to have konversation |
| 16:17.08 | yuriks | but KSirc is awful in my opinion -_- |
| 16:18.26 | Sho_ | Well, thrashing the competition is bad form ;-) |
| 16:18.34 | Narada | is there a keyboard shortcut to creating a new tab in konsole? |
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| 16:18.53 | Narada | that way i don't have to have the tab bar open |
| 16:19.00 | Sho_ | Narada: See Settings -> Configure shortcuts |
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| 16:19.10 | Narada | k |
| 16:19.15 | Chryseus | ctrl-alt-n |
| 16:19.40 | yuriks | Heh, KDE traps control-tab, control-f4, and a bunch of stuff, I can't use tab shortcuts in FF =P |
| 16:19.54 | Narada | Chryseus: excellent and one to close a tab?? |
| 16:20.02 | Narada | sorry accidental double question mark |
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| 16:20.07 | yuriks | lol |
| 16:20.20 | yuriks | close tab == "$ exit" |
| 16:20.35 | Narada | yeah ctrl d works i guess :) |
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| 16:20.55 | Narada | but sometimes ctrl d doesn't close the open window or tab |
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| 16:20.59 | Narada | like in putty by default |
| 16:21.10 | yuriks | why don't you just type 'exit'? |
| 16:21.17 | Sho_ | Narada: Simply look at the shortcut list :) |
| 16:21.25 | Narada | because i can just do ctrl-d which is quicker :) |
| 16:21.32 | Narada | Sho_: looking now |
| 16:22.07 | yuriks | and I don't think you will be closing term all that often, just leave them open for posterior use =P |
| 16:23.04 | Chryseus | yakuake <3 |
| 16:23.14 | Sho_ | yup, yakuake rocks. |
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| 16:58.31 | Exis | This isn't specifically KDE-related, but maybe someone in here knows about this stuff: |
| 16:58.43 | RalfG | hi there, I have sudden trouble with kDE 3.5 |
| 16:58.58 | Exis | I'm looking into a pda phone, and it's one that acts as a USB network adapter if you have the nationwide wireless plan... |
| 16:58.59 | RalfG | DCOP server is way to slow, but CPU is low load |
| 16:59.21 | RalfG | it takes ages for the session to start (2nd step), and for apps to open |
| 16:59.22 | Exis | ...does anyone know where I can look up whether the model would be compatible with linux, as far as the network goes? |
| 16:59.47 | RalfG | kmobile and kandy |
| 16:59.57 | RalfG | those are apps that should name some samples that work |
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| 17:02.01 | Exis | thanks |
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| 17:08.00 | jorgp | is there a way to mod the clock to display shortweekday HH:MM AMPM? |
| 17:08.29 | jorgp | I put the shortweekday in and it displays, shortweekday 11:08 AM |
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| 17:09.57 | parityflag | hello folks |
| 17:10.09 | parityflag | can I ask here about kmail problems or is there a different channel? |
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| 17:29.05 | greenman | hi can someone help me? I got my buttons working on my mouse, but I don't know where to bind them... I want to bind one to copy and the other to paste... |
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| 17:33.38 | darth_chatri | the kalarm daemon is popping up messages more than a minute late |
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| 17:34.01 | darth_chatri | is there a way to configure the daemon? |
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| 17:37.06 | StevenR | right...this is starting to be quite annoying....kttsd insists on starting every time I login. I dont use it I dont want it. The config says its disabled, and yet it continues to start. How do I stop this? |
| 17:38.17 | greenman | hi can someone help me? I got my buttons working on my mouse, but I don't know where to bind them... I want to bind one to copy and the other to paste... |
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| 17:50.50 | nikotto | Whats the difference between cmake and bksys/SCons? KDE4 will use bksys - right? so why are people playing around with cmake? |
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| 17:51.19 | annma | nikotto: because cmake is developed while scons/bksys is not |
| 17:51.42 | annma | so at the moment it's still open to which one will be chosen |
| 17:51.57 | nikotto | you mean until scons is working cmake will be used? |
| 17:52.07 | annma | scons/bksys somehow failed to be good |
| 17:52.13 | annma | maybe scons will be dropeed |
| 17:52.17 | annma | dropped |
| 17:52.30 | nikotto | oh, ok, thanks for the information! |
| 17:52.35 | annma | if it has issues that are not fixed, well, too bad |
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| 17:52.50 | annma | are you a scons devel? |
| 17:53.01 | nikotto | no, i'm a n00b :D |
| 17:53.06 | [_]illogic-al | annma: autotools will own you all :-) |
| 17:53.18 | nikotto | the only thing i work with is qmake :D |
| 17:53.32 | annma | well in fact as for autotools and for arts, getting a replacement is not easy |
| 17:53.55 | annma | bashing those is easy |
| 17:54.05 | annma | replacing them is not |
| 17:54.09 | [_]illogic-al | and bashing arts is also cathartic. |
| 17:54.15 | [_]illogic-al | :-D |
| 17:54.27 | annma | cathartic? |
| 17:54.38 | [_]illogic-al | [[catharsis]] |
| 17:54.41 | annma | this word does not hit my fr database |
| 17:55.00 | [_]illogic-al | annma: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharsis |
| 17:55.15 | annma | thanks |
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| 17:55.45 | annma | oh yes, I see |
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| 17:56.02 | HenryTheVIII | why everytime KDE starts, it plays the error message sound? |
| 17:56.36 | annma | what error? |
| 17:56.40 | [_]illogic-al | annma: is there a word in french for that? |
| 17:56.43 | annma | what distro? |
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| 17:57.14 | tomas_ | hi |
| 17:57.21 | annma | [_]illogic-al: catharsis |
| 17:57.25 | annma | ;) |
| 17:57.29 | [_]illogic-al | heheh |
| 17:57.43 | tomas_ | i would like to do a request :). it would be nice if you could download bootsplashes as you download backgrounds ;) |
| 17:57.47 | annma | cathartic for the adjective |
| 17:57.58 | annma | tomas_: bugs.kde.org |
| 17:58.05 | annma | make a wish! |
| 17:58.08 | tomas_ | i know :/ |
| 17:58.16 | tomas_ | but i thought that there were some devs here :E |
| 17:58.16 | annma | so, did you do it/ |
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| 17:58.26 | tomas_ | no, not yet but i will then:/ |
| 17:58.30 | tomas_ | thx |
| 17:58.31 | tomas_ | bye |
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| 17:58.36 | annma | HenryTheVIII: what error? what distro? |
| 17:59.03 | greenman | hi can someone help me? I got my buttons working on my mouse, but I don't know where to bind them... I want to bind one to copy and the other to paste... |
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| 17:59.28 | SimAtWork | hey GraveDigger |
| 17:59.31 | SimAtWork | hey annma |
| 17:59.41 | PhilRod | hi GraveDigger |
| 18:00.05 | annma | hi GraveDigger && SimAtWork |
| 18:00.08 | annma | and PhilRod |
| 18:00.21 | GraveDigger | :) |
| 18:00.35 | annma | greenman: isn't that your distro problem? |
| 18:01.05 | GraveDigger | greenman: there are multiple ways to do that |
| 18:01.12 | PhilRod | hey annma :-) |
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| 18:01.30 | GraveDigger | greenman: once u got the button events up und button numbers assigned to them |
| 18:01.42 | GraveDigger | greenman: u need a daemon to sense these events |
| 18:01.57 | GraveDigger | greenman: stuff like lineak *should* do this |
| 18:02.53 | GraveDigger | greenman: i for myself prefer the bind-keyboard-events-to-mouse-action way which means, that i use imwheel to let the mousebuttons emit specific keyboard events with each window class |
| 18:03.46 | greenman | annma: it might be, but they aren't answering me. Besides this is inside KDE... |
| 18:03.47 | GraveDigger | greenman: so that mouse nav button forward and backward emit a CTRL-P and CTRL-N for navigating the windows in irssi with my mouse under kde/konsole ;) |
| 18:03.58 | annma | greenman: distro? |
| 18:04.05 | GraveDigger | greenman: the same buttons btw navigate forwards and backwards with konqueror |
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| 18:04.26 | greenman | GraveDigger: that's basically what I wanna do, I want CTRL-C and CTRL-V |
| 18:04.29 | greenman | annma: gentoo |
| 18:04.35 | annma | ah i was about to bet |
| 18:04.48 | annma | you don't have a mouse config tool then |
| 18:04.54 | greenman | GraveDigger: I have lineak, how do you use that |
| 18:04.55 | annma | my distro provides onw |
| 18:05.03 | greenman | annma: what's it called? |
| 18:05.10 | GraveDigger | annma: as usual |
| 18:05.10 | annma | drakmouse |
| 18:05.11 | GraveDigger | -.- |
| 18:05.20 | annma | i have Mandriva, greenman |
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| 18:05.25 | annma | i do things the easy way |
| 18:05.43 | greenman | :) |
| 18:07.08 | SimAtWork | i don't like mandriva |
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| 18:07.18 | SimAtWork | if i had to use a easy distro it'd be kubuntu ! |
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| 18:07.33 | [_]illogic-al | SimAtWork: but you said easy distro. |
| 18:07.33 | annma | mandriva has far more libs I think |
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| 18:08.00 | annma | mandriva is so easy and works so well for underneath KDE that I am hapy with it |
| 18:08.08 | [_]illogic-al | if you have to read up on how to play DVDs, it's not easy... |
| 18:08.10 | annma | SimAtWork: I build my own KDE of course |
| 18:09.53 | HenryTheVIII | annma, i'm using arch, there is no error, just the sound (sorry for the delay...) |
| 18:10.23 | annma | weird |
| 18:10.35 | annma | something is erroring surely |
| 18:11.12 | greenman | GraveDigger: I don't see anything for mouse in lineakd config file... |
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| 18:11.29 | GraveDigger | greenman: okay, i dont know lineakd - it was just a guess |
| 18:11.37 | GraveDigger | greenman: as i said - i like the imwheel-way |
| 18:11.50 | HenryTheVIII | annma, so I canceled all the sound of error, info etc. (in kcontrol) but the sound in the startup still apears |
| 18:11.51 | greenman | how do you bind the keyboard events to mouse actions like you do |
| 18:12.10 | GraveDigger | greenman: btw: the configuration howto for imwheel that actually runs on my suse box was taken from the gentoo wiki |
| 18:12.14 | annma | greenman: but how will you click then with your mouse? |
| 18:12.25 | GraveDigger | greenman: so u SHOULD consider having a look there urself |
| 18:12.59 | greenman | GraveDigger: okay, I'll check that out |
| 18:13.06 | greenman | annma: I have four buttons on my mouse |
| 18:13.23 | annma | did you google for your mouse model then? |
| 18:13.27 | [_]illogic-al | can anyone get to http://www.illogic-al.org/ ? |
| 18:13.51 | annma | [_]illogic-al: yes |
| 18:13.55 | annma | it opens |
| 18:14.05 | annma | 10 buttons! madness! |
| 18:14.10 | greenman | annma: not specifically that model, no. I figured I would have more luck binding things in general first |
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| 18:14.13 | GraveDigger | greenman: if you dont know what to ask google, try this: mouse nav buttons site:gentoo-wiki.com |
| 18:14.24 | annma | greenman: i suggest you google |
| 18:14.26 | [_]illogic-al | annma: thanks. weird thing is. it doesn't here. :-/ |
| 18:15.01 | SimAtWork | 10 button mouse? |
| 18:15.02 | SimAtWork | my gosh |
| 18:15.03 | GraveDigger | annma: well, if you consider mouse wheel as 5 buttons (2 for scrolling up/down, 2 for left/right and 1 as push event) then 10 buttons at all are not that much |
| 18:15.10 | GraveDigger | SimAtWork: ^^ |
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| 18:15.12 | SimAtWork | that's more keyboard than ouse! |
| 18:15.17 | GraveDigger | no |
| 18:15.19 | HenryTheVIII | MEOW! |
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| 18:15.23 | GraveDigger | its a logitech G5 Laser mouse |
| 18:15.24 | GraveDigger | -.- |
| 18:15.27 | annma | GraveDigger: i would be mad with all these |
| 18:15.36 | SimAtWork | GraveDigger: i wouldn't call up/down two buttons.. or left and right. |
| 18:16.06 | SimAtWork | GraveDigger: that sounds like a cool mouse though |
| 18:16.11 | GraveDigger | annma: well, maybe at first - but get along with it and u'll love it! believe me - having quick control over programs with both mouse AND keyboard u'r gonna ROCK! |
| 18:16.13 | SimAtWork | what i want is a "mightymouse" |
| 18:16.15 | GraveDigger | :D |
| 18:16.23 | annma | lol |
| 18:16.52 | annma | to type 'make' al day in konsole I guess 2 buttons are enough... |
| 18:17.00 | GraveDigger | SimAtWork: sure, but with X anything is recognized as a button event, since X doesnt know about "relative" movement with mice at all |
| 18:17.03 | GraveDigger | SimAtWork: what for? |
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| 18:17.09 | Gerynar | quick question before returning to "lurk"mode...what do you folks recomend as a good IRC client for KDE? |
| 18:17.23 | annma | KSirc or Konversation |
| 18:17.40 | annma | depends on your taste, Gerynar |
| 18:17.42 | GraveDigger | Gerynar: "lurk mode" |
| 18:17.43 | GraveDigger | ????? |
| 18:18.14 | Gerynar | sitting, not talking, finding out what the channel's like, and so forth |
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| 18:19.07 | SimAtWork | GraveDigger: i thinkthe mighty mouse be a really nice input device,that's all. |
| 18:19.57 | SimAtWork | i just wish they made a blue tooth wireless version |
| 18:20.07 | greenman | I'm confused by the howto. It says if you get response out of xev, then you don't have to do anything. Well I get actions for all my buttons... |
| 18:20.15 | greenman | I just need to do something with them... |
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| 18:22.07 | GraveDigger | SimAtWork: logitech has |
| 18:22.13 | GraveDigger | SimAtWork: mx1000 irgendwas |
| 18:22.24 | yuri_ | mx1000 is a pretty sweet mouse |
| 18:22.24 | GraveDigger | SimAtWork: bluetooth2 compliant laser mouse |
| 18:22.45 | yuri_ | and the mx5000 is that mouse and rad bluetooth keyboard |
| 18:22.53 | yuri_ | I just bought it yesterday! :) |
| 18:23.04 | GraveDigger | yuri_: well, i dont like its design... i like the slim design of the mx500/700 much more |
| 18:23.46 | GraveDigger | yuri_: or the one of the G5/G7 mice, which is primarily the same |
| 18:24.25 | yuri_ | I bought it mainly for the keyboard, mine broke |
| 18:24.39 | yuri_ | so the mouse was just an added bonus |
| 18:25.26 | yuri_ | I'm more of a trackball person normally |
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| 18:26.55 | yuri_ | and you can't get a bluetooth keyboard anywhere without buying a mouse with it |
| 18:27.08 | yuri_ | I found it very frustrating |
| 18:29.34 | GraveDigger | uuuuuuuhhhh |
| 18:29.34 | GraveDigger | trackballs |
| 18:29.41 | GraveDigger | i never got along with em |
| 18:29.41 | GraveDigger | -.- |
| 18:30.18 | GraveDigger | greenman: hey |
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| 18:30.22 | GraveDigger | greenman: this is great |
| 18:30.27 | solus | does anyone here use kile? |
| 18:30.30 | yuri_ | they're the one true way of cursor movement! <grin> |
| 18:30.38 | GraveDigger | greenman: if xev tells you, that all buttons cause button events |
| 18:30.58 | GraveDigger | greenman: well - then u should consider setting up imwheel and give em some functionality |
| 18:31.01 | GraveDigger | :D |
| 18:31.51 | GraveDigger | yuri_: i even know people playing shooters with trackballs ... anyways: those things confuse me |
| 18:31.52 | greenman | GraveDigger: I have imwheel, not sure how to use it, but I found a problem... xev interprets both middle and thumb to be button 2 |
| 18:32.00 | GraveDigger | yuri_: like touch pads for laptops do |
| 18:32.10 | GraveDigger | greenman: okay, this is bad |
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| 18:32.34 | greenman | i'm thinking I need to add a button in the xorg.conf? |
| 18:32.38 | GraveDigger | greenman: have you built X WITH or WITHOUT evdev support? |
| 18:32.49 | GraveDigger | greenman: and much more important: does you kernel have evdev support? |
| 18:33.02 | yuri_ | the thing I don't like about touchpads, is that I often accidentaly click on things when I'm tryign to move the mouse because I tap on the pad |
| 18:33.05 | GraveDigger | i really hope so, since evdev makes life much easier today |
| 18:33.06 | greenman | GraveDigger: not sure |
| 18:33.25 | GraveDigger | yuri_: yeah exactly ... happens to me, too |
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| 18:34.00 | GraveDigger | greenman: do you have /dev/input/event* device files existing? |
| 18:34.34 | greenman | I just have /dev/input/mice |
| 18:34.41 | GraveDigger | nothing more? |
| 18:34.43 | GraveDigger | oO |
| 18:34.51 | greenman | nope |
| 18:34.58 | GraveDigger | uuuuuuuuuhhhhh.... that's evil |
| 18:34.59 | GraveDigger | -.- |
| 18:35.07 | GraveDigger | okay, well... then read the howto carefully |
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| 18:35.46 | GraveDigger | -.- |
| 18:37.12 | greenman | well, here goes nothing |
| 18:37.15 | GraveDigger | greenman: no, honestly - the imwheel stuff is far away from beein awful - all you need to do is to setup a proper config file and to have imwheel autostart at a good point of your choice |
| 18:37.45 | GraveDigger | greenman: and well - the config example from the gentoo wiki howto is good |
| 18:37.51 | GraveDigger | okay |
| 18:37.56 | GraveDigger | ... |
| 18:43.24 | yuri_ | hey does anyone here use kmymoney? |
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| 18:44.12 | wizard123 | hi |
| 18:44.49 | GraveDigger | hi |
| 18:44.51 | wizard123 | i have problem with macos like menu panel... when i add k-menu to it, icon does not fit in panel... |
| 18:45.02 | yuri_ | I'm not sure, my finances might be worse than my german |
| 18:45.20 | GraveDigger | lol |
| 18:45.21 | GraveDigger | :) |
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| 18:45.51 | wizard123 | actually all buttons on panel have this problem |
| 18:45.56 | wizard123 | strange |
| 18:46.14 | floyd_n_milan | i need to run audacity but arts running means that it can't access the sound hardware, how do i get over this? |
| 18:46.15 | yuri_ | what do you mean doesn't fit? |
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| 18:46.40 | wizard123 | yuri_: i see only part of icon, which is bigger than it should be |
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| 18:47.00 | Mitja | In which file is the last session saved? |
| 18:47.18 | wizard123 | yuri_: i can show you screenshot |
| 18:47.27 | wizard123 | posejdon.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~matiwlo/zrzut_ekranu1.png |
| 18:47.29 | GraveDigger | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.30 | GraveDigger | = |
| 18:47.32 | yuri_ | sweet |
| 18:47.32 | GraveDigger | ? |
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| 18:47.39 | GraveDigger | well, this one i mine .... at least |
| 18:47.40 | GraveDigger | -.- |
| 18:48.08 | yuri_ | those icons in the top left? |
| 18:48.24 | wizard123 | yes |
| 18:49.44 | Mitja | Is # for commenting? |
| 18:49.51 | Mitja | Or some other symbol? |
| 18:50.09 | Mitja | in the session file, that is |
| 18:50.10 | wizard123 | i checked, that baghira menu extention has nothing to do with icons mess |
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| 18:50.14 | Mitja | looks like ini syntax |
| 18:50.42 | yuri_ | hmmm |
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| 18:51.16 | floyd_n_milan | hello? can anyone tell me how to run audacity when arts is running? |
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| 18:51.39 | odla_ | how long do you think it would take to compile KDE 3.5 with a 2.3 GHz processor and 640 MB of RAM? I'll be building it using pkgsrc on NetBSD |
| 18:52.10 | wizard123 | odla_: i'm compiling kde 3.5.1 from ports under freebsd |
| 18:52.28 | odla_ | how long do you think it will take? |
| 18:52.29 | [_]illogic-al | odla_: a dayish |
| 18:52.37 | odla_ | ok |
| 18:52.48 | [_]illogic-al | where 1 day ~= 12 hours :-) |
| 18:53.04 | wizard123 | i have amd64 1.8 GHz and it took ~18 - 24 hours |
| 18:53.22 | Hair | wizard123: Damn |
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| 18:53.27 | wizard123 | i'm not sure, because it ended when I was sleeping |
| 18:53.55 | [_]illogic-al | mostly due to kdepim. |
| 18:54.03 | wizard123 | o_O |
| 18:54.12 | Hair | :/ |
| 18:54.16 | GraveDigger | omg |
| 18:54.22 | wizard123 | i'll thorw this piece of crap throught the window |
| 18:54.41 | Hair | wizard123: Hehe, you will regret it :) |
| 18:54.50 | [_]illogic-al | wizard123: why? |
| 18:54.57 | wizard123 | because it is slow |
| 18:55.02 | GraveDigger | (which is a reason for me NOT to build kde from source myself anymore) |
| 18:55.03 | GraveDigger | ! |
| 18:55.07 | [_]illogic-al | lol |
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| 18:55.32 | wizard123 | i wont wait until freebsd team release packages |
| 18:56.15 | wizard123 | i should buy sparc64 instead of thic pc-crap |
| 18:56.52 | GraveDigger | hmmm |
| 18:57.42 | wizard123 | i compiled kde 3.5.1 from sources, and it doesn't even fixed my iconproblem :[ |
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| 18:58.21 | wizard123 | the last thing i haven't checked is removing ~/.kde dir |
| 18:58.23 | [_]illogic-al | wizard123: simply looking at the changelog could've told you that. |
| 18:58.30 | [_]illogic-al | PhilRod: wb |
| 18:58.36 | PhilRod | thanks [_]illogic-al |
| 18:58.49 | wizard123 | [_]illogic-al: http://posejdon.wpk.p.lodz.pl/~matiwlo/zrzut_ekranu1.png |
| 18:59.00 | wizard123 | look at menu in upper left corner |
| 18:59.18 | odla_ | is there much difference in kde3.5 and kde3.5.1? it's packaged for NetBSD as 3.5 but I can use ports to get 3.5.1 but I am curious if it's worth my time |
| 18:59.20 | [_]illogic-al | i can't find my mouse so i can't click on that link |
| 18:59.27 | yuri_ | wizard123: maybe try resizing the panel so it's bigger and the icons fit and then shrink it down again |
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| 18:59.51 | wizard123 | but this panel is visible only when 'macos like menu' is enabled |
| 18:59.54 | alexey__ | hi all ! |
| 19:00.07 | yuri_ | hey |
| 19:00.07 | wizard123 | and i can't change its size |
| 19:00.16 | yuri_ | wizard123: ??? |
| 19:00.17 | [_]illogic-al | nm. using the URl Catcher. |
| 19:00.29 | yuri_ | OMG |
| 19:00.35 | alexey__ | I have heard about a revolutionary way of translating software from KDE FOSDEM website - "Rosetta Launchpad" ! |
| 19:00.36 | yuri_ | wikipedia on your ipod |
| 19:00.41 | wizard123 | yuri_: what? |
| 19:00.48 | yuri_ | that is possible the greatest thing I've ever heard |
| 19:00.49 | alexey__ | anybody tried that/ wants to try that ? |
| 19:01.15 | yuri_ | http://encyclopodia.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:01.22 | [_]illogic-al | hahah |
| 19:01.36 | yuri_ | wizard123: why can't you change the panel size? |
| 19:01.53 | wizard123 | because i don't know how =) |
| 19:01.53 | [_]illogic-al | wizard123: what is that in the top corner? |
| 19:02.09 | wizard123 | k-menu, bookmarks-menu, konsole |
| 19:02.24 | [_]illogic-al | wizard123: in kicker? |
| 19:02.40 | wizard123 | yes |
| 19:02.53 | yuri_ | wizard123: right click on a empty part of the panel |
| 19:02.59 | wizard123 | yes |
| 19:04.01 | yuri_ | alexey__: is this what your taling about https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/Rosetta |
| 19:04.08 | wizard123 | dude, it has no size options... |
| 19:04.31 | wizard123 | i have second panel, at the bootom, this panel have size settings |
| 19:04.40 | yuri_ | no configure panel item? |
| 19:04.51 | wizard123 | no configure panel item |
| 19:05.11 | wizard123 | yuri_: try enabling 'macos like menu' in desktop behaviour |
| 19:05.40 | yuri_ | oh gotcha |
| 19:05.45 | [_]illogic-al | wizard123: i don't think that's kicker. |
| 19:05.58 | wizard123 | than what the hell is it? |
| 19:06.13 | wizard123 | i just want itto work :( |
| 19:06.18 | [_]illogic-al | nm, you enable osx desktop behavior. |
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| 19:06.37 | wizard123 | nope... |
| 19:07.04 | wizard123 | i reconfigured kde dwo days after installing it |
| 19:07.18 | wizard123 | it was default kde desktop |
| 19:07.26 | wizard123 | i did it like this: |
| 19:07.44 | wizard123 | first i enabled osx like menu and added all applets to it |
| 19:08.16 | wizard123 | than i selected configure panel (bottom panel) and chose: tiny size, autohiding |
| 19:08.27 | wizard123 | than i removed everything except pager |
| 19:09.35 | [_]illogic-al | wizard123: where is that OSX like menu option? |
| 19:09.53 | |Trelane| | something else that might be helpful... http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php (for making KDE more OS X-like) |
| 19:10.12 | wizard123 | oh, i set everything like in this article |
| 19:10.17 | |Trelane| | grr...wrong nick for this server |
| 19:10.57 | [_]illogic-al | wizard123: not interested in the article, tell me what you did. |
| 19:11.04 | odla_ | is kde3.5.1 dramatically different than 3.5 to be worth compiling? |
| 19:11.09 | wizard123 | nope |
| 19:11.15 | wizard123 | that was to odla_ |
| 19:11.17 | [_]illogic-al | how'd you get it? step by step. |
| 19:11.28 | alexey__ | yuri_: so yes yuri - what do you think of the Rosetta project ? |
| 19:11.28 | odla_ | wizard123: thanks |
| 19:11.37 | wizard123 | [_]illogic-al: i told it one screen above |
| 19:11.45 | wizard123 | just scroll ;) |
| 19:11.58 | [_]illogic-al | wizard123: i can't be arsed to scroll up... |
| 19:12.05 | wizard123 | ehhh |
| 19:12.08 | wizard123 | ok.. |
| 19:12.08 | wizard123 | so |
| 19:12.12 | [_]illogic-al | odla_: just bug fixes. if everything works for you don't bother. |
| 19:12.42 | wizard123 | first i enabled 'macos like menu' |
| 19:12.53 | illogic-al | wizard123: WHICH IS FOUND WHERE? |
| 19:12.57 | illogic-al | whoops |
| 19:13.01 | wizard123 | wait a sec |
| 19:13.10 | illogic-al | my bad. |
| 19:13.38 | wizard123 | kcontrol->Desktop->Behaviour |
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| 19:13.58 | yuri_ | alexey__: it seems pretty cool |
| 19:14.07 | wizard123 | it enabled aditional panel at the top |
| 19:14.22 | yuri_ | because translating is something that seems daunting |
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| 19:14.50 | wizard123 | with seems not to have 'configure' menu item |
| 19:15.02 | GraveDigger | yuri_: alexey__: http://www.rosettaproject.org/ <- THIS rosetta project? |
| 19:15.06 | wizard123 | illogic-al: did you find it? |
| 19:15.08 | GraveDigger | or what do u talk about? |
| 19:15.25 | illogic-al | wizard123: yup |
| 19:15.40 | yuri_ | yeah I was talking about the rossetta project |
| 19:15.43 | wizard123 | than i added k-menu to this panel |
| 19:15.54 | yuri_ | its a collabrative tanslating effort |
| 19:15.55 | GraveDigger | ok |
| 19:15.57 | wizard123 | icon was too big, as it is on my screenshot |
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| 19:16.10 | alexey__ | GraveDigger: no, absolutely not ! |
| 19:16.15 | illogic-al | i just did the same and it's fine. |
| 19:16.19 | wizard123 | changing styles and other things didn't help |
| 19:16.23 | wizard123 | :( |
| 19:16.24 | illogic-al | wizard123: the problem must be your cion then. |
| 19:16.29 | efe | aramızda türk varmı |
| 19:16.35 | illogic-al | s/cion/icon |
| 19:16.44 | alexey__ | GraveDigger: The "Rosetta Launchpad" project - is a revolutionary web-based application-translation framework ! |
| 19:16.45 | illogic-al | wizard123: change icon themes. |
| 19:16.58 | wizard123 | it does not help |
| 19:17.00 | wizard123 | i tried |
| 19:17.11 | alexey__ | GraveDigger: normal users will use web-browser to translate Free software ! |
| 19:17.17 | illogic-al | wizard123: have you changed to the defualt KDE icon theme. |
| 19:17.27 | wizard123 | yes, CrystalSVG |
| 19:17.39 | illogic-al | wizard123: distro? |
| 19:17.45 | wizard123 | freebsd |
| 19:17.51 | GraveDigger | alexey__: OMG -- and how should this work? |
| 19:18.08 | alexey__ | https://launchpad.net/rosetta |
| 19:18.24 | GraveDigger | alexey__: like a: get my imwheel4unix tarball and spit out my univerSalMouseConfigurator_ultimate_super_PRO_Edition_w32.zip" |
| 19:18.28 | GraveDigger | ? |
| 19:18.37 | wizard123 | damn it, i configured whole freebsd and have problems with kde panel ;) |
| 19:18.47 | GraveDigger | lol |
| 19:18.48 | wizard123 | am i stupid or what? |
| 19:18.55 | alexey__ | GraveDigger: https://launchpad.net/rosetta |
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| 19:19.03 | GraveDigger | wizard123: lucky guy - i never got any *bsd up |
| 19:19.28 | wizard123 | heh... i never had working kde :P |
| 19:19.46 | wizard123 | i should stay with fluxbox :P |
| 19:19.47 | GraveDigger | -.- |
| 19:20.12 | wizard123 | ok, illogic-al thanks for your time... |
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| 19:20.26 | anisX | hello greetings |
| 19:20.36 | wizard123 | i'll try removing my config dirs :'((((( |
| 19:20.40 | illogic-al | anisX: ! |
| 19:20.55 | illogic-al | wb |
| 19:20.57 | anisX | herlow orville :) |
| 19:20.59 | anisX | thanks |
| 19:21.06 | anisX | nah illogic-al cool , i have problem here ;p |
| 19:21.29 | illogic-al | wizard123: and this is with kde 3.5 right? |
| 19:21.33 | yuri_ | GraveDigger: Fbsd isn't that hard to do, it's just not as pretty... |
| 19:21.39 | wizard123 | right |
| 19:21.41 | yuri_ | and the docs are GREAT |
| 19:21.43 | wizard123 | 3.5.1 |
| 19:21.46 | yuri_ | man pages for everything |
| 19:21.51 | yuri_ | with examples |
| 19:21.59 | illogic-al | brb. phone. |
| 19:22.13 | anisX | i have problem with local timezone , it shows 3.45 AM , but at the panel shows 11.21 AM |
| 19:22.18 | anisX | i have problem with local timezone , it shows 3.45 AM , but at the panel shows 11.21 *pm |
| 19:22.21 | anisX | what is my problem ? |
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| 19:22.30 | illogic-al | lol |
| 19:22.41 | illogic-al | where is it showing 3:45? |
| 19:23.34 | illogic-al | wizard123: you should file a bug w/ fbsd, definitely not a KDE problem. |
| 19:23.35 | anisX | illogic-al: when i config "adjust date and time" |
| 19:24.00 | anisX | illogic-al: shows my country now 3.45 AM , and i currently using my country timezone |
| 19:24.02 | illogic-al | wizard123: well, it is a KDE problem, just not w/ default KDE setup :-) |
| 19:24.05 | anisX | should be 3.45 AM not 11.45 PM |
| 19:24.06 | GraveDigger | yuri_: okay, nice to hear.... |
| 19:24.08 | wizard123 | lol |
| 19:24.39 | wizard123 | ok, so i'm on my own :P |
| 19:24.56 | GraveDigger | yuri_: anyways: some strange things held me off from installing it |
| 19:25.05 | GraveDigger | yuri_: last error i remember was a missing kernel package |
| 19:25.15 | wizard123 | freebsd users does not think on configuring kde :) the think on configuring network routers and so on... |
| 19:25.19 | GraveDigger | yuri_: and a far more than only ugly and disabled shell |
| 19:25.21 | wizard123 | ok, thanks for help |
| 19:25.23 | illogic-al | anisX: in the Configure dialog, Does "Local Current Timezone" set to UTC? |
| 19:25.32 | illogic-al | s/Does/Is |
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| 19:25.37 | wizard123 | bye |
| 19:25.46 | yuri_ | GraveDigger: well kernel stuff always seems to be difficult |
| 19:26.01 | anisX | illogic-al: yes "My Country ( UTC )" |
| 19:26.14 | illogic-al | aha! |
| 19:26.14 | greenman | GraveDigger: okay, so I got my buttons worked out useing xmodmap, now, I'm not quite sure how I use imwheel to make button 8 (my thumb) do copy. |
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| 19:26.40 | illogic-al | anisX: distro? |
| 19:27.15 | yuri_ | alexey__: how involved are you with the rosetta project?/ |
| 19:27.30 | anisX | illogic-al: fc4 and kde 3.5.1 |
| 19:28.04 | illogic-al | anisX: do you have windows on that computer too? |
| 19:28.31 | anisX | illogic-al: yes sir..dual os |
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| 19:28.43 | anisX | illogic-al: am thinking of bios settings |
| 19:29.17 | illogic-al | ok, then choose your timezone, reset the clock, and i think that'll moify the system time as well. |
| 19:29.18 | GraveDigger | greenman: well, imwheel itself copies a shit |
| 19:29.32 | anisX | illogic-al: how to reset ? |
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| 19:29.40 | GraveDigger | greenman: imwheel itself only maps button click events to key press events |
| 19:30.01 | GraveDigger | greenman: and does this via a per-window-class configuration |
| 19:30.01 | illogic-al | anisX: just change the time to what it should be, choose you timezone, and applly |
| 19:30.04 | GraveDigger | greenman: that's all |
| 19:30.18 | anisX | illogic-al: already do that..still same |
| 19:30.27 | GraveDigger | greenman: look at my ~/.imwheelrc |
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| 19:30.49 | GraveDigger | greenman: http://phpfi.com/104721 |
| 19:30.52 | illogic-al | anisX: then you need to use the fedora sysconfig tool to change your time from utc to localtime. |
| 19:31.21 | anisX | hmm |
| 19:31.31 | anisX | sysconfig for time ? |
| 19:31.40 | GraveDigger | greenman: the first part -> this say's, that the first button in that list should be mapped to Control_L(eft) and P if it's hit in the window class "konsole" |
| 19:32.19 | greenman | GraveDigger: cool |
| 19:32.30 | GraveDigger | greenman: that means, that if my mousecursor is in window class "konsole" and i hit the first button, that this list applies to, then the CTRL-P event is triggered as if it was done by keyboard directly |
| 19:32.52 | illogic-al | sysconfig |
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| 19:33.01 | greenman | yeah, so I just set one up that says: |
| 19:33.05 | greenman | ".*" |
| 19:33.11 | GraveDigger | all window classes |
| 19:33.14 | anisX | illogic-al: just sysconfig in terminal ? |
| 19:33.15 | greenman | None, Left, Control_L|C |
| 19:33.27 | GraveDigger | greenman: yeah, sounds good |
| 19:33.33 | greenman | that should do control c for button 8(Left) |
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| 19:33.45 | greenman | cool |
| 19:33.49 | GraveDigger | greenman: but beware that not for ALL applications CTRL-C may apply |
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| 19:33.51 | greenman | I might just be done withe this |
| 19:33.57 | GraveDigger | greenman: STOP |
| 19:34.02 | GraveDigger | greenman: one last thing |
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| 19:34.10 | illogic-al | anisX: i guess |
| 19:34.21 | greenman | GraveDigger: yeah, I'll check them out on a per application basis |
| 19:34.24 | GraveDigger | greenman: if you call imwheel you give it a list of numbers as parameter |
| 19:34.36 | greenman | if it's something else |
| 19:34.36 | anisX | illogic-al: its system-config-time |
| 19:34.43 | GraveDigger | greenman: this is the list (in order) to which entry in a section which button applies |
| 19:34.49 | illogic-al | anisX: alrighty then. |
| 19:35.04 | greenman | what doe you mean? |
| 19:35.32 | GraveDigger | greenman: means: if you call imwheel (params) -b "56" then the FIRST entry in EACH section applies to mouse button 5 |
| 19:35.35 | anisX | illogic-al: damn , current time 3.45 AM but the panel still showing 11.45 something |
| 19:35.47 | anisX | oh wait |
| 19:35.50 | illogic-al | anisX: remove and add back the clock |
| 19:35.56 | GraveDigger | greenman: the second entry then to button 6 |
| 19:36.21 | GraveDigger | greenman: and all other entries in each section is ignored in that case, since no more then 2 buttons apply |
| 19:36.25 | anisX | illogic-al: solved :))) |
| 19:36.26 | greenman | ah, so I would have to do imwheel -b "8" |
| 19:36.31 | greenman | (it's all I have right now) |
| 19:36.55 | GraveDigger | greenman: yeah... and u only bind exactly one button then |
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| 19:37.45 | illogic-al | :-D |
| 19:37.52 | illogic-al | ok back to work now |
| 19:38.18 | greenman | GraveDigger: the other buttons will still do thier default behavior though?... |
| 19:38.39 | GraveDigger | greenman: yes |
| 19:38.44 | greenman | cool |
| 19:38.56 | greenman | so, do I have to call imwheel all the time or is there a daemon? |
| 19:39.10 | GraveDigger | imwheel may run as daemon |
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| 19:39.21 | greenman | I mean, I'm putting an .imwheelrc file in my directory, is that all I have to do? |
| 19:39.22 | GraveDigger | but read the gentoo documentation - its all describede in there |
| 19:39.52 | GraveDigger | greenman: no, if u got ur imwheelrc u need to run imwheel itself - which may run as daemonized process |
| 19:39.55 | GraveDigger | :) |
| 19:40.04 | greenman | ah |
| 19:40.58 | GraveDigger | imwheel -d |
| 19:40.58 | GraveDigger | btw |
| 19:40.58 | anisX | what package for yum to install kwrite/kedit ? |
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| 19:41.07 | GraveDigger | anisX: depends |
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| 19:41.30 | anisX | depends ? |
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| 19:41.43 | GraveDigger | anisX: on ur packaging system - dont forget that yum is only a frontend for a package manager |
| 19:42.09 | anisX | GraveDigger: when i execute kwrite via terminal , its appear..but i cant find that kwrite on panel |
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| 19:42.43 | nekron | anyone uses dekorator |
| 19:42.44 | nekron | ? |
| 19:42.55 | anisX | GraveDigger: maybe i just need to link that kwrite to panel then |
| 19:43.11 | nekron | i`m trying to download this, but the links is broken.. |
| 19:43.24 | greenman | hmm... okay, what's button 2? I know button 8 is left |
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| 19:44.42 | GraveDigger | anisX: kwrite is normally part of kdebase - so unless you dont waste around with shit like gentoo split ebuilds for kde ... you *should* have it installed |
| 19:44.56 | GraveDigger | anisX: with suse it is: /opt/kde3/bin/kwrite |
| 19:45.01 | GraveDigger | (default) |
| 19:45.48 | anisX | GraveDigger: ok right , when i click "Menu Editor" on panel , nothing happened |
| 19:45.50 | greenman | well, I've wasted enough time on this, thanks for your help |
| 19:45.59 | anisX | sigh , what is wrong |
| 19:47.21 | fredE | s there an updated website for KArm? all I found is a deprecated page that claims KArm integrates with KOrganizer, but I don't see any integration |
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| 19:50.46 | visik7 | hi |
| 19:51.33 | Russel-Athletic | i have a problem with kmail and kaddressbook: i can't choose my people in the addressbook to write a mail at in kmail, i have only the people i wrote last time to |
| 19:51.45 | Russel-Athletic | perhaps a setting wrong? |
| 19:52.30 | visik7 | I read that with a particular version of fontconfig I can speed up the boot of kde is there a guide to use it ? |
| 19:53.12 | Russel-Athletic | i am using kontact, kde version 3.5.1 on kubuntu |
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| 19:57.06 | Russel-Athletic | if i write a adress it shows me the correct one |
| 19:57.15 | lgsobalvarro | hello |
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| 20:01.23 | Russel-Athletic | anybody a solution or questions? |
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| 20:03.35 | laserite | hi there! do u know how to make konqueror search in google instead of in-page in the text box on the right? thnx! |
| 20:03.37 | SimAtWork | Russel-Athletic: ther is an option to select where the addreses can come from |
| 20:03.48 | Russel-Athletic | SimAtWork: where do i find it? |
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| 20:04.33 | Russel-Athletic | in kcontrol i already enabled the file of my addressbook |
| 20:04.41 | SimAtWork | hrm |
| 20:04.43 | SimAtWork | i thought i saw it |
| 20:04.45 | SimAtWork | i'm digging now! |
| 20:05.05 | Russel-Athletic | thanks |
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| 20:05.18 | SimAtWork | under composer, configure completion order |
| 20:05.18 | SimAtWork | but |
| 20:05.22 | SimAtWork | i thought there was another option |
| 20:05.26 | SimAtWork | still digging |
| 20:05.27 | Russel-Athletic | that is the completion |
| 20:06.01 | lgsobalvarro | SimAtWork: what do you mean? |
| 20:06.09 | Russel-Athletic | completion is working, but i thought i could choose an e-mail with this button next to the to: field |
| 20:07.24 | SimAtWork | oh |
| 20:07.27 | SimAtWork | on the right |
| 20:07.30 | SimAtWork | click select |
| 20:07.55 | Russel-Athletic | jep |
| 20:08.07 | Russel-Athletic | and then? |
| 20:08.27 | Russel-Athletic | wtf? |
| 20:08.30 | Russel-Athletic | wait a moment |
| 20:09.16 | Russel-Athletic | ok |
| 20:09.22 | Russel-Athletic | it works in kmail but not in kontact |
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| 20:12.16 | Russel-Athletic | very strange |
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| 20:14.30 | gerwinin | I am looking for fabrice from kde netherlands |
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| 20:15.31 | PhilRod | gerwinin: his nick is [fab] |
| 20:16.12 | gerwinin | PhilRod thanx |
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| 20:20.41 | SimAtWork | yay us!! |
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| 20:20.46 | SimAtWork | 30k users |
| 20:20.54 | SimAtWork | thats a lot of brains |
| 20:21.20 | PhilRod | or a lot of stupid people if you're more pessimistic :-) |
| 20:21.38 | annma | lol |
| 20:21.46 | SimAtWork | pffft, this isn't efnet :) |
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| 20:24.21 | malex | Hi. Would someone know why KDE keyboard tool indicator is stuck in the left uppermost corner of my desktop? I've moved the panel to the top and now kb indicator is covering the main menu button :( |
| 20:24.27 | PhilRod | I'd love to see some detailed freenode stats - when people are online, what the biggest channels are, how many characters are typed per minute, hour, etc |
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| 20:25.01 | annma | malex: how did you install kde? |
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| 20:25.57 | malex | annma: stock debian install of 3.5 |
| 20:26.15 | malex | 3.5.1 to be exact |
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| 20:28.32 | annma | malex: upgrade? |
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| 20:31.10 | malex | annma: It's the latest (3.5.1) package set. And the kbd indicator was there in 3.5.0 as well. I just didn't use KDE then as it kept crashing xorg on my hardware. I'm trying it again now and that window's position is annoying. |
| 20:31.24 | malex | there I mean in the left top corner. |
| 20:31.32 | annma | try a new user, malex |
| 20:31.46 | annma | to see if it's your config settings or if it's global |
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| 20:32.45 | lgsobalvarro | hi annma :D |
| 20:32.56 | annma | lgsobalvarro: hi! I lost your mail! |
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| 20:33.25 | lgsobalvarro | really annma? uhmm... ok i'll send you it again :D |
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| 20:33.50 | annma | lgsobalvarro: yes, I rm all .* in my home thus I rm'ed my mail! |
| 20:33.58 | annma | when helping a user |
| 20:34.20 | annma | we had a good laugh about it in #kde-devel |
| 20:35.10 | lgsobalvarro | np annma :) somethimes it happend |
| 20:35.22 | annma | yes, i was quite stupid on that one |
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| 20:39.14 | Mitja | Is there a way to save current session in console? |
| 20:39.29 | PhilRod | with "dcop ksmserver something" I expect |
| 20:39.34 | PhilRod | ~dcoptut |
| 20:39.36 | apt | rumour has it, dcoptut is http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/36/KDE_Scripting_DCOP.pdf |
| 20:39.36 | PhilRod | ~dcop |
| 20:39.38 | apt | well, dcop is Desktop COmmunication Protocol -- Faster, nicer, and cooler than you'd ever want! |
| 20:39.56 | cormier | hi, i uninstalled gnome from ubuntu and installed kde. kde works fine but when i start my machine there is no graphical login screen. i have to do a terminal login and then startx |
| 20:39.57 | PhilRod | and the user guide has some stuff on dcop, under the section "scripting the desktop" |
| 20:40.00 | PhilRod | ~ug |
| 20:40.01 | apt | methinks ug is http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/ |
| 20:40.22 | cormier | so what should i install/configure? |
| 20:40.25 | PhilRod | cormier: you'll have to set up kdm. I don't know how that's done on (k)ubuntu |
| 20:40.55 | annma | malex: did you check with a new user/ |
| 20:41.09 | SimAtWork | cormier: kdm |
| 20:41.13 | SimAtWork | cormier: apt-get install kdm |
| 20:41.32 | cormier | thanks PhilRod and SimAtWork |
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| 20:50.59 | cormier | my default keyboard is dvorak and this is the layout used in the kde login window. however, i need to have other layouts in the login window. is there a way of changing the keyboard layout in the login window? |
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| 20:51.45 | lgsobalvarro | cormier: you should edit xorg or xfree86 config file |
| 20:53.32 | cormier | lgsobalvarro: but can i have a drop down menu or something in the login window? there is one in lock the screen thing... |
| 20:53.46 | malex | annma: Just finished creating a new user and checking. |
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| 20:54.31 | malex | annma: It worked fine for a new user i.e. was placed by the clock on the right side of the panel. |
| 20:54.39 | malex | annma: I guess that's the answer... |
| 20:54.43 | annma | malex: ah, so it's only a setting |
| 20:54.45 | lgsobalvarro | i think you cant cormier |
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| 20:55.27 | annma | malex: in your user, try to backup ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc to ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc.bak |
| 20:55.47 | fredE | can kmail store passwords with kwalletmanager? |
| 20:55.48 | annma | after login out and then log back in kde |
| 20:55.54 | malex | annma: I'm going to nuke the kickerrc and the applet and re-enable the applet. Maybe it was an artefact from the older 3.5.0 install. |
| 20:55.59 | thiago | fredE: yes |
| 20:56.01 | annma | fredE: yes |
| 20:56.01 | yuri_ | is there a way to tear off tabs in konversation? |
| 20:56.02 | malex | annma: Thanks. |
| 20:56.08 | fredE | how? |
| 20:56.20 | annma | fredE: it should ask you |
| 20:56.29 | annma | is kwallet running? |
| 20:56.53 | fredE | it didn't.. it's running and open wallet.. i installed kwalletmanager after kmail if that is anything |
| 20:56.55 | Sho_ | yuri_: Not set |
| 20:56.59 | Sho_ | *yet |
| 20:57.12 | fredE | by install i mean compiled with gentoo |
| 20:57.22 | thiago | fredE: kwalletmanager is just the front-end |
| 20:57.29 | thiago | the library backend is installed regardless |
| 20:57.32 | thiago | or should be |
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| 21:00.52 | Lopuz | is this the right place for help regarding kde? |
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| 21:01.51 | SimAtWork | sure is! |
| 21:02.18 | malex | annma: Worked allright. I have the kbd indicator in the right place on the kicker now. Thanks! |
| 21:02.19 | SimAtWork | it is also the right place for discussing, idolizing and worshipping kde! |
| 21:02.27 | annma | :) |
| 21:02.32 | thiago | :-P |
| 21:02.39 | annma | thiago: LOL |
| 21:03.14 | Lopuz | okay, i need help to get networked sound |
| 21:04.11 | thiago | pinotree: don't remind me I still have to go to the supermarket to have breakfast tomorrow |
| 21:04.34 | Lopuz | the control center doesnt seem to have any fields where i can set the server address or whatever |
| 21:04.44 | Lopuz | i have really no idea of what to do |
| 21:05.53 | SimAtWork | hrm |
| 21:05.59 | SimAtWork | i've never tried to do networked sound lopuz |
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| 21:06.31 | Lopuz | okay |
| 21:06.35 | SimAtWork | but |
| 21:06.40 | SimAtWork | it looks to me like there is no server config needed |
| 21:06.42 | SimAtWork | only client |
| 21:06.47 | Lopuz | yup |
| 21:06.58 | SimAtWork | what is it you want to run remotely that plays sound? |
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| 21:07.29 | Lopuz | i had hoped to make arts connect to another arts server |
| 21:07.33 | Lopuz | if that was possible |
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| 21:07.45 | Lopuz | and stream over the audio |
| 21:08.14 | SimAtWork | i am thinking this isn't how it ismeant to work. |
| 21:08.26 | SimAtWork | but i think it is meant to work so that if you run an X app remotely you will hear the sounds. |
| 21:08.46 | SimAtWork | well a kde app anyhow. |
| 21:08.54 | SimAtWork | the documentation is rather scarce isn't it! |
| 21:09.02 | Lopuz | yup |
| 21:09.23 | SimAtWork | http://www.arts-project.org/doc/mcop-doc/artsd-faq.html |
| 21:09.27 | SimAtWork | maybe that'll help? I hoppe! |
| 21:09.29 | Lopuz | okay, thanks |
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| 21:18.49 | SirKillalot | anyone knowing kasbar? |
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| 21:20.29 | SimAtWork | i just realized i have it installed SirKillalot ! |
| 21:20.31 | SimAtWork | looks neat |
| 21:20.55 | SirKillalot | SimAtWork, how do you close that panel? :) |
| 21:21.09 | annma | right click and choose Remove |
| 21:21.16 | annma | ight click on it |
| 21:21.38 | SirKillalot | hm no there aint something like that |
| 21:21.48 | SimAtWork | no |
| 21:21.49 | SimAtWork | ther eisn't |
| 21:21.50 | SimAtWork | hrm |
| 21:21.59 | SimAtWork | ctrl-alt-esc CLICK does it |
| 21:22.03 | SimAtWork | but that's dangerous |
| 21:22.12 | SimAtWork | oh SirKillalot ! |
| 21:22.14 | SimAtWork | right click on the time |
| 21:22.17 | SimAtWork | and quit kasbar |
| 21:22.49 | SirKillalot | aah, I added a "panel-hiding button" to it and then I was able to remove it |
| 21:22.52 | SirKillalot | tnx |
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| 21:23.11 | SimAtWork | SirKillalot: ctrl-alt-esc will kill pretty well anything btw. |
| 21:23.25 | SirKillalot | yep |
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| 21:23.33 | SirKillalot | but that'll kill kicker too |
| 21:23.38 | SirKillalot | :) |
| 21:23.47 | SimAtWork | my kasbar isn't part of kicker |
| 21:23.49 | SimAtWork | i just did alt-f2 kasbar |
| 21:24.01 | SirKillalot | mine was |
| 21:24.11 | aseigo | dcopquit kicker |
| 21:24.23 | SimAtWork | SirKillalot: how did you get t t be part of kicker? |
| 21:24.25 | aseigo | or put a .desktop file in your user's autostart dir called kicker.desktop with the following: |
| 21:24.30 | aseigo | [General] |
| 21:24.32 | aseigo | Hidden=true |
| 21:24.42 | SirKillalot | SimAtWork, rightclick kicker and chose "add new panel ? kasbar" |
| 21:24.58 | SimAtWork | SirKillalot: ! oh, sweet |
| 21:25.02 | SimAtWork | i was looking under add new applet |
| 21:25.20 | aseigo | (or was that >=3.4?) |
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| 21:25.51 | SirKillalot | aseigo, as I said, you can add kasbar to kicker and close the std panel |
| 21:25.54 | SirKillalot | that will do it |
| 21:26.03 | SirKillalot | ;) |
| 21:26.18 | aseigo | SirKillalot: well, you can't remove the std panel via the gui. you can hide it, but not remove it. |
| 21:26.22 | SimAtWork | i like the standard panel |
| 21:26.26 | SimAtWork | but kasbar is neat as a backup |
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| 21:30.04 | Sakkath | How can I make Kmix always be in the Systray? |
| 21:30.07 | Sakkath | aka, always started |
| 21:30.17 | Sakkath | err -aka, "in other words" |
| 21:30.21 | pinotree | start it once and use a session |
| 21:30.31 | Sakkath | i do |
| 21:30.37 | pinotree | or make it autostart |
| 21:30.40 | Sakkath | how |
| 21:30.44 | pinotree | ~autostart |
| 21:30.45 | apt | To start a program or set an environment variable at KDE login, see: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/configure.html#id2558687 |
| 21:30.45 | Sakkath | for it goes down when my sound is down |
| 21:31.00 | pinotree | Sakkath: read what apt said |
| 21:31.30 | Sakkath | apt: thanks, I didn't read what you said because you didn't say my name, so i just ignored it :-p (irssi highlights) |
| 21:31.30 | apt | Sakkath: sure thing |
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| 21:41.29 | SirKillalot | will kde run bash scripts in ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 21:41.30 | SirKillalot | ? |
| 21:41.48 | Snake__ | Is it possible to lock the taskbars in 3.4.3 like you can in 3.5.1? |
| 21:43.29 | Snake__ | Anyone? |
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| 21:46.20 | TurBorg | just have 1 question :P is it the same what you sett the PORT at? i have change it and i dont know what it was on the first time. thx |
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| 21:47.44 | SimAtWork | Snake__: sorry, i only spent a few mins in 3.4.3 no idea. |
| 21:47.53 | Snake__ | damn... :( |
| 21:47.56 | SimAtWork | Snake__: why don't you want to go to kde 3.5.1 though? |
| 21:48.01 | SimAtWork | it's great in 3.5.1 land :) |
| 21:48.07 | Snake__ | SimAtWork: live disk building, I dont want to break any scripts |
| 21:48.17 | Snake__ | SimAtWork: I know, I use it on my main box, I love it as well |
| 21:48.18 | SimAtWork | oh |
| 21:48.22 | SimAtWork | yah i could see that |
| 21:48.29 | SimAtWork | how exactly do you go about building a live disk? |
| 21:48.32 | SimAtWork | that sounds entertaiing |
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| 21:48.59 | Snake__ | Hehe its cool, PCLinuxOS has a neat feature in it, after you install it, you can tweak it how you want it, and then have it build a ISO |
| 21:49.13 | Snake__ | The ISO will mirror the system |
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| 21:53.59 | lgsobalvarro | aseigo: hello |
| 21:54.36 | Celeste | hello all |
| 21:54.42 | lgsobalvarro | hi Celeste |
| 21:54.53 | TurBorg | what KDE prog should i download from http://www.kde.org/download/ when i Use ( Ubuntu ) im a littel n00b in linux :P |
| 21:55.56 | Snake__ | Sooo no one knows? |
| 21:56.12 | malex | TurBorg: Are you trying to install KDE or a certain program? Anyway, you should use one of Ubuntu's package managers (synaptic or aptitude) to install software. |
| 21:56.42 | lgsobalvarro | TurBorg: type apt-get install kde-desktop (or some like that, for install kde) |
| 21:58.14 | SimAtWork | TurBorg: you're thinking windows. |
| 21:58.15 | Snake__ | Plz :( |
| 21:58.16 | Snake__ | Someone? |
| 21:58.24 | SimAtWork | TurBorg: in linux you don't download to install. you install and it downloads for you. |
| 21:58.37 | TurBorg | well i did install it ( the pack the is inn ubuntus pack sys ) but the pack is old 3.4.1 or so. and the speed i gett on the download is perty slow :/ wher kinda hoping it would change if i got a new version off it |
| 21:58.38 | SimAtWork | and i think it's just apt-get install kde ! |
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| 21:59.03 | SimAtWork | ubuntu should include kde 3.5 ! |
| 21:59.05 | Snake__ | SimAtWork: it doesnt |
| 21:59.10 | Snake__ | I run Kubuntu |
| 21:59.10 | SimAtWork | hrm |
| 21:59.14 | malex | What Ubuntu version are you running? If you are on something old like Warty, it might not have 3.5.1 packages. |
| 21:59.26 | SimAtWork | someone give poor TurBorg an updated sources.list please! |
| 21:59.28 | Snake__ | malex: There are no 3.5 packages unless your on dapper. |
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| 21:59.39 | Snake__ | TurBorg: go to #ubuntu, they have a bot with all the answers |
| 21:59.55 | Snake__ | TurBorg: go in there and type "!kde351" (I think thats it) |
| 22:00.09 | TurBorg | ok thx for help Snake__ :) |
| 22:00.10 | lgsobalvarro | TurBorg: look this http://kubuntu.org/special-cds.php or this http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php |
| 22:00.11 | Snake__ | No, its !kde3.5.1 |
| 22:00.32 | Snake__ | TurBorg: its !kde3.5.1 (If you didnt see) |
| 22:00.43 | malex | Snake__: isn't dapper/breezy in sync right now? |
| 22:00.46 | TurBorg | but is ther noting diffrent whit the packs and stuff betwen kubuntu and ubuntu? |
| 22:00.54 | Celeste | I just tried to find a nice, bubble-mac-os like theme on kde-look.org, but there are no themes for my KDE-Version v. 3.4.3 - Or am I wrong? |
| 22:01.02 | lgsobalvarro | no TurBorg |
| 22:01.05 | Snake__ | TurBorg: no, just default desktop managers |
| 22:01.21 | annma | Celeste: tehre should be themes for 3.4.3 |
| 22:01.27 | TurBorg | O.o nice :) |
| 22:01.27 | Snake__ | malex: No its not, if I get what you mean |
| 22:01.42 | Snake__ | annma: Ohhh thank god your here! maybe you can help me again! |
| 22:02.01 | Snake__ | Is it possible to lock down the panel in 3.4.3 like you can in KDE 3.5.1? |
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| 22:02.16 | lgsobalvarro | Celeste: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:02.20 | annma | is there a lock panel menu on right click? |
| 22:02.26 | Snake__ | No |
| 22:02.30 | annma | :( |
| 22:02.44 | annma | so probably it's not possible |
| 22:03.01 | Snake__ | :( |
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| 22:03.29 | Snake__ | Hmm |
| 22:03.30 | Snake__ | that sucks |
| 22:03.41 | Snake__ | That bar just looks so tacky |
| 22:04.14 | annma | i was having a look at kicker config file but k3diff crashed! |
| 22:04.27 | SimAtWork | time to report a bug! |
| 22:04.29 | annma | let me try again to see what options it adds in the config file |
| 22:04.32 | Snake__ | lol |
| 22:04.34 | Snake__ | alright |
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| 22:07.41 | annma | Snake__: try that |
| 22:07.47 | Snake__ | annma: try what? |
| 22:07.48 | Snake__ | :) |
| 22:07.54 | annma | backup your kickerrc in .kde/share/config |
| 22:08.06 | annma | then under [General] |
| 22:08.10 | annma | add the line |
| 22:08.18 | annma | Locked=true |
| 22:08.24 | Snake__ | Alright |
| 22:08.24 | annma | restart kicker |
| 22:08.25 | Snake__ | :) |
| 22:08.27 | Snake__ | Hang on |
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| 22:11.22 | Snake__ | annma: no good :( |
| 22:11.29 | Snake__ | guess that means its only in 3.5? |
| 22:11.56 | annma | yes |
| 22:12.15 | Snake__ | damn |
| 22:13.21 | SimAtWork | can you use kicker 3.5 with kde 3.4.3 ? |
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| 22:14.58 | SlicerDicer- | can anybody please point to me to the location of where I set focus settings? everytime I open a new app it gets slammed behind my current window |
| 22:15.12 | SlicerDicer- | its a total pain in the ass having to click all over to get focus everytime I open a app |
| 22:15.22 | PhilRod | probably need to change the foxus stealing prevention |
| 22:15.34 | PhilRod | somewhere in control center -> desktop -> window behaviour |
| 22:16.34 | SlicerDicer- | and what should I set it to? |
| 22:16.37 | annma | SimAtWork: you'd have to find the code and backport it |
| 22:16.43 | SlicerDicer- | none? |
| 22:16.46 | annma | only the lock panel thing |
| 22:16.53 | annma | the rest might not be compatible |
| 22:17.14 | SlicerDicer- | apparently so PhilRod thanks muchly |
| 22:17.22 | SlicerDicer- | you are truly a good person :) |
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| 22:18.37 | PhilRod | yw |
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| 22:19.03 | orangey | hey all! |
| 22:19.17 | orangey | I seem to be having a problem with my kde menu (file / edit / etc) disappearing from konqueror. |
| 22:19.39 | annma | ctrl+M orangey |
| 22:19.56 | orangey | annma: worked! |
| 22:20.00 | annma | :) |
| 22:20.05 | orangey | also, f11, f10 just worked too! |
| 22:20.52 | orangey | annma: It seems that it should be a right-click option |
| 22:20.54 | orangey | in toolbars or something |
| 22:21.01 | annma | yes maybe |
| 22:21.10 | annma | as it's a quite often asked question |
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| 22:25.52 | freddie | it thinks that log.README is an objective-c source file |
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| 22:26.33 | teatime | freddie: yeah, objective-c gets blamed for a lot ;) |
| 22:27.03 | freddie | it is actually not a bad language |
| 22:27.11 | freddie | with an extension of .m |
| 22:27.18 | kothog | does kleopatra work yet for kmail + ssl-based keychains? the last time I tried to manually import a keychain for that thawte freemail thingy i nearly went mad. |
| 22:27.25 | annma | freddie: maybe the server where the file is set the mime type wrong |
| 22:27.44 | teatime | mimetype detection for text files is horrible |
| 22:28.43 | SimAtWork | hrm |
| 22:28.47 | SimAtWork | kalarm keeps not starting up |
| 22:28.51 | SimAtWork | it's getting me in poop! |
| 22:30.41 | malex | If there is a daemon that's supposed to start as an X11 session, can I add it to the running KDE session without having to log out/in? |
| 22:31.24 | teatime | malex: I guess that depends on what depends on it |
| 22:31.30 | malex | I'm specifically thinking of the gnupg-agent |
| 22:31.55 | SimAtWork | malex: kde starts up inside an x11 session so it should be safe in all cases. |
| 22:32.17 | malex | teatime: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent file tells me it's supposed to start when x11 session starts, but I don't want to log out - too much work to save. |
| 22:34.31 | qfh | hi, is anyone here synchronizing konqueror's bookmarks.xml file on two systems (e.g. a desktop and a notebook)? |
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| 22:36.01 | Celeste | I just installed a KDE theme using aptitude (on Kubuntu) - how can I use the theme now? |
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| 22:36.46 | orangey | Celeste: what version of KDE? |
| 22:36.56 | lgsobalvarro | Celeste: do you mean an style? |
| 22:36.57 | orangey | (or what version of kubuntu)? |
| 22:37.04 | orangey | lgsobalvarro: yes she does. |
| 22:37.07 | Celeste | Kubuntu Breezy |
| 22:37.09 | Celeste | KDE 3.4.3 |
| 22:37.17 | Celeste | aptitude install kwin-baghira |
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| 22:37.31 | orangey | Celeste: I think it's kmenu > system settings > appearance |
| 22:37.40 | Celeste | installation was successfull - the theme does not shopw up in the lcontrol center |
| 22:37.46 | orangey | Celeste: unfortunately, there are three places you need to modify. |
| 22:37.51 | orangey | 1. colors |
| 22:37.54 | orangey | 2. styles |
| 22:37.58 | orangey | 3. window decorations |
| 22:37.58 | lgsobalvarro | Celeste: kcontrol => Apperance & Themes => Window decoration |
| 22:38.18 | orangey | Celeste: and possibly icons to make it complete. |
| 22:39.00 | lgsobalvarro | orangey: she or he xDD only install kwin theme |
| 22:39.09 | orangey | xdd? |
| 22:39.33 | orangey | qfh: if you find out, please do tell! |
| 22:39.41 | Celeste | okay it worked I have the MAC OS Window Decoration now .... but: the rest still looks like KDE |
| 22:39.50 | Celeste | how can I make it look like Mac OS at all? |
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| 22:39.53 | orangey | Celeste: is there a baghira style? |
| 22:39.55 | Celeste | everything should look like mac os |
| 22:39.59 | orangey | Celeste: and baghira colours? |
| 22:40.04 | orangey | Celeste: follow my instructions. |
| 22:40.16 | Celeste | orangey, I think I did not understand this theme stuff at all |
| 22:40.19 | orangey | If there are no baghira style and colours, then look in adept for 'baghira' |
| 22:40.30 | orangey | Celeste: KMenu > system settings > appearance. |
| 22:40.39 | annma | Celeste: did you have to compile it? |
| 22:40.51 | Celeste | annma, no, it was a apt-get package |
| 22:41.09 | annma | oh ok |
| 22:41.14 | annma | should work then |
| 22:41.36 | Celeste | orangey, the only menu where I can find Baghira in is "Window Decoration" |
| 22:41.46 | Celeste | no Baghira in Background, Colors, Icons and so on |
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| 22:42.38 | orangey | Celeste: go back to adept and search for baghira again.. |
| 22:42.59 | qfh | orangey: for now i will just use unison which is really great but i don't know if it can merge files automatically |
| 22:43.25 | orangey | Celeste: oh. I don't see any baghira style or colours.. |
| 22:43.26 | Celeste | orangey, what is adept ? |
| 22:43.45 | orangey | Celeste: it's like aptitude with a gui |
| 22:44.04 | orangey | Celeste: however, when I just searched now, I didn't see anything |
| 22:44.26 | Celeste | can you suggest a really cool theme where I get all in once? |
| 22:44.37 | orangey | Celeste: I think annma had it right.. you probably need it compiled, or you may have to add an extra repository to Kubuntu.. |
| 22:44.38 | Celeste | where I do not need to download all the stuff extra |
| 22:44.40 | orangey | Celeste: sadly not. I just use plastik, which I love.. |
| 22:44.52 | annma | ask in #debian-kde, Celeste |
| 22:44.53 | lgsobalvarro | Celeste: i like lipstik 2.2 |
| 22:44.57 | annma | or in #kubuntu |
| 22:44.59 | Celeste | is plastic a default template? |
| 22:45.04 | annma | yes |
| 22:45.14 | orangey | Celeste: try "baghira ubuntu | kubuntu" in google. |
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| 22:46.39 | SimAtWork | i use plastik and then switch to the "Smooth Blend" decorations |
| 22:46.42 | SimAtWork | I think it looks smashing! |
| 22:48.04 | annma | I know why i use plastik, it's because i take screenshots for the docs |
| 22:48.06 | Celeste | where can I find all-in-one themes like "Plastik" comes up with everything I need |
| 22:48.24 | orangey | annma: as good a reason as any |
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| 22:48.48 | orangey | Celeste: asking on #kubuntu is a better bet.. that's distro specific. Also, #debian-kde is more likely than #kubuntu to have that info |
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| 22:49.27 | Celeste | orangey, thank you! |
| 22:50.02 | Celeste | and thank you lgsobalvarro |
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| 22:51.04 | madclicker | ahoy, how can i search the email body for a specific string in Kmail? |
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| 22:51.20 | lgsobalvarro | no problem Celeste :D |
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| 22:57.46 | Celeste | Can Baghira also make the menu look like in Mac OS ? |
| 22:58.57 | madclicker | Kmails search engine sucks tits :( |
| 22:58.59 | madclicker | honest |
| 22:59.12 | madclicker | freezes the system nicley |
| 23:00.02 | madclicker | still searching |
| 23:00.03 | madclicker | bahh |
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| 23:03.26 | Remenic | hi |
| 23:03.40 | Remenic | anyone know if it's possible to hide columns in detailed list view in konqueror? |
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| 23:04.50 | Q-collective | is it worth checking out kde4 svn these days? I might make some ebuilds if it is |
| 23:04.50 | Q-collective | :) |
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| 23:07.16 | pinotree | Q-collective: kde4 is soooooooooo far... |
| 23:07.47 | Q-collective | pinotree: so far away? so far progressed? what? :p |
| 23:07.55 | pinotree | away |
| 23:08.04 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 23:08.15 | Q-collective | too bad :( |
| 23:08.29 | Remenic | Q-collective: it would have been finished by now if you had helped... |
| 23:08.32 | annma | Q-collective: no! no ebuilds please |
| 23:08.51 | Q-collective | Remenic: heh |
| 23:08.54 | annma | kde4 is not soon in a state of being distributed |
| 23:09.08 | annma | no need to confuse users |
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| 23:09.14 | Q-collective | annma: svn ebuilds are only for the wicked anyway :-) |
| 23:09.23 | annma | hmm |
| 23:09.33 | annma | the wicked fills this channel then |
| 23:09.39 | Q-collective | heh |
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| 23:14.21 | freddie | ark is really starting to annoy me |
| 23:14.28 | annma | why? |
| 23:14.36 | freddie | I am making a large .tar file |
| 23:14.44 | annma | making? |
| 23:14.46 | freddie | and the little progress bar goes back and forth |
| 23:14.55 | annma | inever made tar with ark |
| 23:14.58 | freddie | so I have no idea how much of it is done |
| 23:15.06 | annma | I use tar -cvf from command line |
| 23:15.14 | annma | easier - faster |
| 23:15.17 | freddie | I normally do if I have a terminal handy |
| 23:15.46 | Q-collective | ark, wasn't that some rpm based distro? |
| 23:15.52 | freddie | possibly |
| 23:15.58 | Q-collective | :) |
| 23:16.11 | freddie | right click on a folder -> Compress -> Compress As <folder name>.taer |
| 23:16.15 | freddie | *.tar |
| 23:16.36 | annma | you have ark but no term? |
| 23:16.49 | Q-collective | tar cvjf blabla.tar.bz2 blabla/ |
| 23:16.51 | Q-collective | ;) |
| 23:16.56 | freddie | I do have a term, but for complex file selections it is normally easier |
| 23:17.16 | freddie | and I am lazy, so right clicking is normally easier |
| 23:17.20 | Q-collective | terminal is easier then gui btw |
| 23:17.33 | Q-collective | if you want more then one dir in a tarball |
| 23:17.44 | Q-collective | tar cvjf blabla.tar.bz2 blabla/ blabla1/ blabla2/ etc |
| 23:17.46 | Q-collective | easy |
| 23:17.52 | Hairulfr | Hi all |
| 23:17.57 | Q-collective | no clue how you would do that in gui |
| 23:17.57 | Q-collective | :p |
| 23:18.00 | freddie | grep often does a good job as well for piping the output |
| 23:18.10 | freddie | select the files and then send them to a folder |
| 23:18.59 | Q-collective | freddie: well duh, but that's just one folder then, I really mean seperate files or dirs in one tarball |
| 23:19.12 | Q-collective | no seperate dir that combines them all |
| 23:19.26 | freddie | yes, often if I just want log files I will use grep |
| 23:19.34 | MikeMcA | Are the KDE desktop hotkeys configurable? I can't seem to figure how how to do it |
| 23:19.41 | freddie | khotkey is it? |
| 23:20.32 | annma | MikeMcA: in KControl |
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| 23:22.06 | freddie | anyone here tried out the new beta of koffice? |
| 23:22.20 | Q-collective | 1.5? |
| 23:22.23 | freddie | yes |
| 23:22.25 | Q-collective | no, what's new? |
| 23:22.26 | Q-collective | :) |
| 23:22.41 | freddie | the odd thing here and there as far as I can tell |
| 23:22.52 | Q-collective | heh |
| 23:23.41 | freddie | a lot of work seems to have gone into krita is it? |
| 23:23.57 | MikeMcA | KControl -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 23:24.17 | Q-collective | I find myself still using openoffice quite a lot |
| 23:24.25 | Q-collective | especially with wordprocessing |
| 23:24.35 | MikeMcA | Thanks folks |
| 23:24.47 | Q-collective | how is opendocument support in 1.5? in 1.4.2 it was quite bad |
| 23:24.53 | freddie | still naff |
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| 23:25.09 | freddie | fine for making documents |
| 23:26.19 | Q-collective | not that hard |
| 23:26.29 | Q-collective | gimp is only very slowly progressing :p |
| 23:26.32 | freddie | krita is getting there |
| 23:26.41 | Q-collective | yeah, krita is nice |
| 23:26.54 | pinotree | krita is still slow and heavy, compared to gimp |
| 23:26.58 | freddie | if the framework is there, and I am assuming that it is |
| 23:27.03 | pinotree | i mean, krita is nice, nothing against it |
| 23:27.23 | freddie | then adding all of the features that make the gimp what it is should not be too hard |
| 23:27.24 | Q-collective | slow and heavy? compared to gimp none the least? |
| 23:27.34 | Q-collective | not in my experience |
| 23:27.45 | freddie | karbon14 is interesting |
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| 23:27.58 | freddie | but there is no documentation for it at all |
| 23:28.11 | pinotree | Q-collective: i used a image manipulation app for an univ subject, and i found really really really good |
| 23:28.19 | annma | krita in koffice 1.5 rocks! |
| 23:28.30 | annma | it's really better than Gimp! |
| 23:28.33 | pinotree | for my puropouses, gimp has a looot more filters than krita |
| 23:28.36 | freddie | still missing a few filters |
| 23:28.45 | annma | yes but getting there |
| 23:28.46 | freddie | but if the framework for them is there |
| 23:28.54 | Q-collective | :) |
| 23:29.01 | freddie | the default font size of 7 for the tabs is impossible to read |
| 23:29.08 | annma | it's been frantically developed |
| 23:29.15 | annma | what tabs? |
| 23:29.24 | annma | the side tabs? |
| 23:29.26 | freddie | yes |
| 23:29.30 | annma | it's configurable now! |
| 23:29.35 | freddie | yep -- change it to 9 |
| 23:29.45 | annma | i asked for it! |
| 23:29.53 | Q-collective | ;p |
| 23:29.55 | annma | they always do what i ask for |
| 23:30.07 | freddie | kword and kspread have a long way to go |
| 23:30.21 | Q-collective | yeah |
| 23:30.25 | annma | need more devels! |
| 23:30.25 | Q-collective | very long way |
| 23:30.26 | Q-collective | :( |
| 23:30.32 | pinotree | yeah |
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| 23:30.36 | freddie | kword seems to have lost support for .doc files |
| 23:30.36 | annma | too few people workig on koffice |
| 23:30.42 | annma | bah |
| 23:30.45 | freddie | sad really as it is a lot faster |
| 23:30.50 | freddie | than openoffice |
| 23:30.55 | freddie | (180MB of source!!) |
| 23:31.05 | Q-collective | *anything* is a *lot* fasten then openoffice :-) |
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| 23:31.42 | pinotree | annma: koffice won't gain so much attention if its interoperability with other formats (even proprietary) won't raise soon |
| 23:31.52 | annma | pinotree: come on |
| 23:31.54 | freddie | well |
| 23:31.58 | freddie | if it can support odt well |
| 23:32.01 | Q-collective | pinotree: good point |
| 23:32.01 | pinotree | annma: i'm serious |
| 23:32.04 | freddie | then it can probably leech the open office stuff |
| 23:32.05 | annma | OOorg is Open Office as is KOffice |
| 23:32.10 | Q-collective | people are full of standards |
| 23:32.14 | pinotree | annma: m$ too |
| 23:32.19 | annma | pinotree: yes but that needs manpower |
| 23:32.21 | Q-collective | they just want things to work |
| 23:32.32 | annma | no devel is veryinterested in filters it seems |
| 23:32.33 | Q-collective | with whatever software |
| 23:32.37 | pinotree | annma: if koffice can't import m$ files well, how can i make my friends switch to linux? |
| 23:32.45 | annma | ODF will be the standard |
| 23:32.50 | pinotree | at least i can make then unsing OOo |
| 23:32.54 | freddie | well, office 2003 does work under wine :p |
| 23:32.56 | Odd_Bloke | I'm having crypto problems in KMail (having just recompiled using the split packages rather than the monolithic ones). Whenever I attempt to sign a message, it shows up as bad and when I go to 'Tools > Certificate Manager...' within KMail, I get this error message: "The crypto plugin could not be initialized. Certificate Manager will terminate now." Does anyone know what KMail will be... |
| 23:32.58 | Odd_Bloke | ...relying on for the crypto plugin, or how I can initialise it? |
| 23:33.02 | annma | pinotree: well don't they alredy use OOorg on windows? |
| 23:33.12 | pinotree | annma: no |
| 23:33.14 | pinotree | of course |
| 23:33.15 | Q-collective | freddie: it finally does?! |
| 23:33.16 | annma | my kids use OOord on windows with ODF |
| 23:33.16 | Q-collective | :p |
| 23:33.24 | annma | not .doc |
| 23:33.26 | freddie | yep |
| 23:33.26 | freddie | sec |
| 23:33.39 | freddie | http://appdb.winehq.org/screenshots.php?appId=31&versionId= -- bottom screen-shot is mine |
| 23:33.41 | Q-collective | I always had problems with installing it |
| 23:33.50 | pinotree | annma: m$ office habits are bad, but still remain |
| 23:33.51 | Q-collective | some error with msi |
| 23:34.05 | annma | fight them pinotree |
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| 23:34.18 | annma | in schools they tend to disappear in fact |
| 23:34.32 | dev_null | is anyone familiar with kaddressbook? I am trying to find out if the data is sharable over machines? |
| 23:34.34 | annma | no more MS Office in many schools and unis |
| 23:34.34 | freddie | budget cuts mean that most schools would go open office |
| 23:34.38 | pinotree | propably canadian school, not here |
| 23:34.41 | freddie | then ms went and made it free |
| 23:34.45 | freddie | for schools |
| 23:34.46 | annma | france as well |
| 23:34.51 | freddie | so that kids know office |
| 23:35.04 | annma | free? |
| 23:35.05 | Q-collective | freddie: then they must have made some serious improvements in msi, last time I tried to install msoffice 2003 over a month ago, it was still a long way from getting there |
| 23:35.14 | freddie | takes a bit of work |
| 23:35.20 | freddie | but it is getting there |
| 23:35.29 | freddie | a fair bit of movement on the mailing list |
| 23:35.36 | freddie | means that a few bug reports are comming |
| 23:35.44 | freddie | in two months support will be a lot better |
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| 23:36.12 | freddie | annma: yep free |
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| 23:36.15 | pinotree | grrr |
| 23:36.21 | annma | what country? |
| 23:36.21 | pinotree | damn keycombos |
| 23:36.25 | freddie | my school gets office free, just so kids will use it |
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| 23:36.28 | freddie | uk |
| 23:36.33 | Q-collective | hey omp |
| 23:36.33 | freddie | but australia do it too |
| 23:36.41 | annma | but do kids get it free as well? |
| 23:36.52 | annma | if they have to do homework? |
| 23:37.02 | freddie | nope, but they do get a big discount |
| 23:37.11 | freddie | so it is practially free for the basic versions |
| 23:37.11 | annma | the fact is, if they know how to use MS Office they also know OOorg |
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| 23:37.27 | annma | hmm, recent then |
| 23:37.34 | Q-collective | annma: that'll change with msoofice2007 though |
| 23:37.37 | freddie | but recently I have seen a fair few .swx documents lurking around |
| 23:37.40 | annma | we bought a student version in the UK |
| 23:37.40 | freddie | office 12? |
| 23:37.47 | Q-collective | since 2007 will have a radical new UI |
| 23:37.50 | Q-collective | freddie: yeah |
| 23:37.53 | freddie | I have a copy |
| 23:37.59 | Q-collective | heh |
| 23:38.07 | freddie | take os x brushed metal and remove toolbars |
| 23:38.09 | annma | 2007 will have to hit the masses though |
| 23:38.16 | Q-collective | true |
| 23:38.21 | freddie | vista will be the end of ms |
| 23:38.30 | Q-collective | freddie: does it work in wine? :-) |
| 23:38.36 | freddie | I will have to try it |
| 23:38.51 | Q-collective | doubt it |
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| 23:39.08 | Q-collective | and yeah, vista is going to be the beginning of the end of ms |
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| 23:39.15 | freddie | so many versions |
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| 23:39.22 | freddie | crippleware for the masses |
| 23:39.35 | Q-collective | 5 years, and what did they come up with? a nice theme to winxp + lots of drm |
| 23:39.39 | Q-collective | really innovative |
| 23:39.53 | freddie | and much higer requirements |
| 23:39.56 | Q-collective | linux will sooo rule in a few years :-) |
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| 23:40.56 | freddie | the linux in a few years will be windows look-a-likes |
| 23:40.56 | annma | I see "normal" low-average end users using Firefox and OOorrg on windows |
| 23:40.56 | annma | lots of them |
| 23:40.58 | annma | this tells it all about IE and MS Office |
| 23:41.12 | freddie | koffice/konqueror are not portable sadly |
| 23:41.16 | annma | IE: spyware attractor |
| 23:41.22 | freddie | yep |
| 23:41.34 | annma | MS Office: too expensive for what it brings |
| 23:41.48 | freddie | openoffice.org too bloated for what it brings |
| 23:41.54 | Q-collective | :-) |
| 23:42.00 | freddie | but there is a kde integration project |
| 23:42.01 | annma | still better than MS Office |
| 23:42.13 | freddie | yep |
| 23:42.41 | annma | I even know of users using the Gimp on Windows |
| 23:42.43 | Q-collective | well, kde4 will be ported to windows, right? |
| 23:42.50 | annma | Q-collective: yes |
| 23:43.02 | freddie | a lot of my friends use the GIMP |
| 23:43.04 | annma | but again, too few devels working on that |
| 23:43.21 | freddie | kde in need of manpower? |
| 23:43.28 | Q-collective | mass exodus from windows, linux hegemony \o/ |
| 23:43.30 | annma | yes |
| 23:43.39 | Q-collective | ... sorry, dreaming again |
| 23:43.39 | freddie | linux will suck when everyone uses it |
| 23:43.40 | annma | freddie: unfortunately, yes |
| 23:43.47 | freddie | will be full of proprietry crap |
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| 23:44.00 | Q-collective | doubt it |
| 23:44.10 | annma | doubt it as well |
| 23:44.18 | freddie | software companies need to make money |
| 23:44.22 | SimAtWork | freddie: you're obviously a retard. |
| 23:44.28 | Q-collective | heh |
| 23:44.30 | SimAtWork | freddie: but we still love you for playing the game. |
| 23:44.32 | kothog | oo is definitely very bloated. :( unfortunately. |
| 23:44.36 | freddie | if people use linux, then they will port it to linux |
| 23:44.37 | Bonkie | anyone in here compiling kdebase/kxkb from SVN ? keep getting compile error and cant figure it out |
| 23:44.42 | SimAtWork | kothog: but koffice is not |
| 23:45.00 | annma | oo is not SO bloated |
| 23:45.00 | SimAtWork | kothog: and i actuallyenjoy using oo far more than ms office so eh. the lesser of two evils is still better than pure evil :) |
| 23:45.10 | annma | firefox also is bloated compared to IE |
| 23:45.20 | annma | but still people prefers wait 10s more |
| 23:45.32 | SimAtWork | or use konq and don't wait at all :) |
| 23:45.34 | freddie | openoffice is really fast under windows |
| 23:45.39 | annma | no! |
| 23:45.42 | SimAtWork | oo is really fast under linux. |
| 23:45.42 | annma | it's not |
| 23:45.45 | SimAtWork | it's still bloated. |
| 23:45.50 | freddie | it is faster under wine than running native |
| 23:45.58 | SimAtWork | freddie: what? that's a lie. |
| 23:46.01 | freddie | nope |
| 23:46.03 | SimAtWork | freddie: a horrible lie. |
| 23:46.04 | kothog | SimAtWork: true; on the other hand the functionality is a bit lacking. tough choice, but of course I prefer kword because it starts up in a second or two for me. :) |
| 23:46.07 | freddie | go and benchmark it |
| 23:46.11 | annma | it's not fast but windows itself is not fast either |
| 23:46.17 | SimAtWork | well, ihave 2gb of ram in this machine |
| 23:46.22 | SimAtWork | so oo opens in under a second for me :) |
| 23:46.33 | annma | Win XP with 4-5 users is such a pain, especially when those users are kids |
| 23:46.34 | SimAtWork | and 1gb of ram at home, it still opens in under 2 seconds |
| 23:46.34 | freddie | from a cold boot it is a lot faster under wine - no idea why |
| 23:46.43 | kothog | SimAtWork: running it repeatedly to get it into cache and then timing the 20th run doesn't count. |
| 23:46.51 | annma | lol |
| 23:46.53 | Q-collective | annma: winxp in geberal is a pita :) |
| 23:46.57 | SimAtWork | kothog: but i never shut down. |
| 23:46.57 | Q-collective | general* |
| 23:47.05 | annma | Q-collective: i know |
| 23:47.07 | kothog | SimAtWork: your point? :) |
| 23:47.17 | annma | i reinstall it every month on a machine |
| 23:47.21 | SimAtWork | kothog: i'm not gonna shut down and start up just to see how long oo takes to load! |
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| 23:47.41 | SimAtWork | kothog: but i'm sure it's still rather quick. otherwise i would have been complaining. |
| 23:47.42 | kothog | SimAtWork: okay. here's my point: not everyone has such a barren system that oo stays in cache for days or hours. |
| 23:47.44 | SimAtWork | I complain lots. |
| 23:48.02 | SimAtWork | kothog: i don't think it needs to be in cache to load quickly. but i don't know what's in cache so i can't say it definately is not. |
| 23:48.03 | kothog | SimAtWork: that's ok. :) |
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| 23:48.21 | SimAtWork | either way, it's not painful to wait for. |
| 23:48.34 | freddie | first load is quite annoying, but after that it is fine |
| 23:48.58 | annma | ok, dinner time |
| 23:49.03 | Q-collective | hf |
| 23:49.10 | kothog | SimAtWork: you should always preface that kind of thing with ", for me." For most other people, it's just not worth the hassle of 1) getting it installed, and 2) waiting for it to boot up. |
| 23:49.34 | Q-collective | thx for the chat ;) |
| 23:49.54 | freddie | cya |
| 23:50.00 | kothog | bye q |
| 23:50.12 | SimAtWork | kothog: i don't think you have to say "for me". Seeing that anyone talking would be talking about their own experiences unless otherwise stated. |
| 23:50.24 | SimAtWork | kothog: it's not i spend my entire day talking in the third person :). |
| 23:51.49 | kothog | SimAtWork: you're using infinitives, so it sounds more like a generalisation than an explanation of your specific experiences. in fact, those kinds of words are precisely what, for example, reviewers will use to describe the general case. |
| 23:51.55 | freddie | well I best be off |
| 23:52.24 | kothog | lol.. anyway, OO is extremely large, you can't deny that. :) |
| 23:52.52 | SimAtWork | kothog: i'm not reviewing. I'm telling you my experiences. |
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| 23:53.13 | SimAtWork | kothog: but most reviewers don't say "FOR ME" either. It's already implied and assumed. |
| 23:53.46 | SimAtWork | kothog: regardless, OO is at least as good as MSO and doesn't cost me a penny. So I'll continue to enjoy using it until koffice does everything i need. |
| 23:54.15 | kothog | ... using infinitives. also, reviewers try to be objective, and part of that is to gauge what the software will be like on the average reader's system. If they load up an 8GB Tyan doubled-up dual-core with a 300-8X loaded to the brim with a RAID0, they're going to put some qualifiers in there. |
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| 23:55.56 | kothog | SimAtWork: the conversation here was people describing infinitives and general cases. "OO is bloated." "OO takes too long to load." These are infinitives. Also, you stated a general case: "oo is really fast under linux." That is clearly a generalisation. I was merely pointing out that it is not fast under linux, that it is only fast under large-memory systems with lots of room for disk cache. |
| 23:56.38 | SimAtWork | kothog: ok. fair enough. |
| 23:56.38 | kothog | i hope one day koffice doesn't install a file called "handler.h" in my includes directory. :) |
| 23:57.11 | kothog | SimAtWork: I like OO, for the record. :) |
| 23:57.18 | SimAtWork | kothog: this is all rather relative though. On the same machine MSO would actually be reasonable too. |
| 23:57.29 | SimAtWork | i think on any machine where OO is slow you'll find MSO to be slow also. |
| 23:58.18 | kothog | I guess my (perhaps erroneous) assumption was that we were talking free (or nearly free) software, so a comparison with MSO wasn't even in my thoughts. |
| 23:59.38 | SimAtWork | but then what is the benchmark for "bloatyness" ? |
| 23:59.54 | SimAtWork | when is a program 'bloat' vs 'full of features' ? |
