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| 00:18.33 | magyar | ahoy |
| 00:19.05 | magyar | is there a way to configure "media:/" in kde profile? |
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| 00:38.20 | oneforall | what the keys in kde to take a screen shot ? |
| 00:38.29 | oneforall | damn blender takes the whole screen so I don't have kicker |
| 00:38.43 | oneforall | can only bring up kick with another app open |
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| 00:40.16 | xz | oneforall: alt+f2 then run ksnapshot? |
| 00:40.18 | D_Graham | any1 here good with kopete? |
| 00:40.33 | xz | D_Graham: i use it.. but probably not good |
| 00:40.52 | oneforall | hm ok will try that |
| 00:40.52 | D_Graham | lol i just need to know how to block/ignore a aim/yahoo user on it |
| 00:41.43 | xz | D_Graham: hmm all i can see is "delete contact" |
| 00:41.55 | xz | D_Graham: can it be done with the official aim or yim clients? |
| 00:41.57 | D_Graham | yeah doesnt block the user |
| 00:42.02 | D_Graham | of course |
| 00:42.41 | xz | D_Graham: search the bugs i guess. kopete can block msn but looks like there isn't support on the other protocols.. |
| 00:43.33 | oneforall | wierd when I do alt+F2 it takes me to desktop 2 and opens the run popup |
| 00:43.38 | lord_crow | how can i change the default coding in kde 3.5 ? (i want to put it in iso-8859-1 ) |
| 00:43.42 | oneforall | I did alt f1 |
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| 00:44.23 | kakei | http://kde-look.org is down?! |
| 00:44.33 | xz | kakei: yeh - see the topic |
| 00:44.56 | xz | oneforall: worked? |
| 00:45.31 | kakei | srry |
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| 00:46.16 | xz | kakei: =) |
| 00:46.47 | oneforall | xz yeah alt F1 and picked ksnapshot . weird that alt+F2 went to desktop 2 and didn't stay in 1 |
| 00:47.18 | xz | indeed |
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| 01:00.57 | EricBetts | is it me, or is www.kde-look.org down? |
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| 01:03.30 | Sho_ | ;-) |
| 01:03.34 | aseigo | EricBetts: well, at least you achieved royalty. that's got to be work something ;) |
| 01:03.57 | Sho_ | EricBetts: The hard disk broke, it will be rebuilt using a backup from Saturday. No ETA yet, though. |
| 01:04.56 | EricBetts | any suggestions on alternate locations to look for cursor themes? My cursor keeps dissapearing everytime its over the color while, and this is putting a serious dent in my productivity |
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| 01:15.40 | Tman | is there a way to make the panel shrink so that the taskbar doesn't have any empty space, that doesn't squish the task buttons? |
| 01:16.37 | annma | what setting did you try so far? |
| 01:18.14 | Tman | Desktop -> Panels -> Length |
| 01:18.33 | Sho_ | Tm_T: No, I don't think so |
| 01:18.41 | Tman | even with the 'Expand as required to fit contents' box checked, it still squished the task buttons |
| 01:18.58 | annma | squished? |
| 01:19.08 | Sho_ | unless there's a min-width in the config file |
| 01:19.35 | Tman | annma: their width got smaller |
| 01:19.58 | annma | what size is your panel set to? |
| 01:21.36 | Sho_ | aseigo: Is there a minwidth setting for the taskbar buttons that can be set to equal maxwidth? |
| 01:22.32 | aseigo | Sho_: no. what are you trying to achieve? |
| 01:22.47 | Sho_ | aseigo: Tman here wants to prevent his taskbar buttons from 'shrinking' |
| 01:22.59 | aseigo | well, they don't shrink unless there isn't enough room |
| 01:23.17 | aseigo | they try and fill all available space as equally as possible |
| 01:23.50 | aseigo | otherwise you'd end up with a scrolling taskbar (which does happen if it gets that bad) but it's really not a great path to go down |
| 01:24.02 | aseigo | *scroll* *search* *scroll* *click* GOTO 10 |
| 01:24.05 | Sho_ | aseigo: I assume he wants an osx dock-like behaviour where the panel expands by fixed amounts for each task |
| 01:24.26 | Sho_ | thought there might be a hack in there |
| 01:24.45 | aseigo | ah .. he wants the panel to expand when the taskbar does .. |
| 01:25.22 | aseigo | i think that works if the taskbar is the only thing (or the last thing?) on the panel ... not sure in other situations... |
| 01:25.29 | aseigo | the geometry management in kicker is pretty fucked, though |
| 01:28.20 | Sho_ | aseigo: well it essentially works, only that the taskbar buttons shrink before the panel expands, so I thought there might be configurable min/maxwidth settings somewhere that could be set to the same value (probably smaller than the default maxwidth) - definitely not fit for public consumption, but if one wants it that way .. :) |
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| 01:32.24 | snowgeese | i installed k weather were wil it be to set up kant find it |
| 01:32.39 | DaSkreech | Kant you? |
| 01:34.21 | snowgeese | found it |
| 01:34.30 | snowgeese | is 512 ram enough for kde |
| 01:34.35 | Sho_ | yup |
| 01:36.00 | snowgeese | got 1.5 gig and 256 |
| 01:36.15 | snowgeese | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.17 | snowgeese | should run on that |
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| 01:39.28 | snowgeese | ty |
| 01:39.29 | snowgeese | bye |
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| 01:43.00 | pfein | servers still down? |
| 01:43.53 | aseigo | pfein: the kde-look and kde-apps servers? yes.. won't be up until tomorrow at least |
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| 01:55.25 | Tman | erm.. is Keramic supposed to have this extra-tall bottom window borders? they're weird |
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| 01:56.04 | Sho_ | Tman: Switch 'em off :) |
| 01:56.06 | yaco | hey |
| 01:56.25 | yaco | what happened with the kde-look page |
| 01:56.33 | yaco | its had been hacked!!! |
| 01:56.44 | annma | yaco: read topic |
| 01:57.04 | yaco | what topic |
| 01:57.10 | yaco | ahhh |
| 01:57.13 | yaco | ok |
| 01:57.16 | yaco | i see |
| 01:57.22 | yaco | its no hard failure |
| 01:57.27 | yaco | look in the kde look page |
| 01:57.29 | yaco | its strange |
| 01:57.42 | annma | the maintainer said so, yaco |
| 01:57.47 | Sho_ | yaco: The hard drive broke |
| 01:57.49 | annma | on kde-core-devel mailing list |
| 01:57.55 | yaco | i think he is hiding something |
| 01:58.01 | annma | check that archive |
| 01:58.08 | annma | why would he? |
| 01:58.10 | yaco | maybe he is cheating us |
| 01:58.19 | annma | yeah right |
| 01:58.21 | yaco | because we know his secret! |
| 01:58.25 | Sho_ | yaco: Huh? There's simply no web server running there at the moment |
| 01:58.35 | yaco | its a big conspiracy |
| 01:58.36 | Sho_ | yaco: What's strange about it? |
| 01:58.40 | yaco | you know... |
| 01:58.55 | Sho_ | Yeah, just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get you :) |
| 01:58.56 | *** mode/#kde [+o annma] by ChanServ |
| 01:58.58 | yaco | roswell...area 51 and all the thing |
| 01:59.45 | yaco | i think we must join our forces to investigate the problem... |
| 02:00.19 | yaco | sss |
| 02:00.20 | yaco | s |
| 02:00.33 | yaco | im banned |
| 02:00.44 | yaco | !join #kde-look |
| 02:00.52 | Sho_ | yaco: don't tempt annma :) |
| 02:01.02 | yaco | you see it |
| 02:01.15 | yaco | they tried to ban me |
| 02:01.29 | yaco | beacuse i know the true about the problem of kde servers... |
| 02:01.54 | Sho_ | They're used to supply KDE devs with cheap pornography and crumble under the load? |
| 02:02.02 | Sho_ | you got us! :) |
| 02:02.14 | yaco | oh yes! |
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| 02:02.26 | yaco | and they use IIS in the servers! |
| 02:02.34 | Sho_ | What else is there? :) |
| 02:03.13 | yaco | im wonder how long would take to make that servers run again.... |
| 02:03.17 | yaco | do you know |
| 02:03.53 | Sho_ | yaco: Well, he needs to get new hardware, and then assemble a new system from a backup from Saturday, but i don't know how complete that backup is |
| 02:04.11 | yaco | shit |
| 02:04.14 | yaco | saturday! |
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| 02:04.26 | Sho_ | yeah, the last backup is from Saturday |
| 02:04.41 | yaco | and gnome-look is down too |
| 02:04.45 | Sho_ | so the page lost about a day max, I guess |
| 02:04.47 | Sho_ | so is kde-apps |
| 02:04.48 | yaco | you dont worry about that |
| 02:04.49 | Sho_ | all on the same machine |
| 02:04.51 | Sho_ | no |
| 02:05.05 | yaco | dont you use gnome |
| 02:05.11 | Sho_ | no :) |
| 02:05.13 | yaco | mmm |
| 02:05.20 | yaco | i think you are the traitor |
| 02:05.31 | yaco | i can see your epiphany from here |
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| 02:05.46 | Sho_ | *whistles innocently* |
| 02:06.06 | DaSkreech | PeanutHorst: Hi hi |
| 02:06.54 | Simkin | wahoo |
| 02:06.55 | Simkin | i'm home |
| 02:09.57 | annma | I'm dev |
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| 02:11.14 | SuN | Do the translucency options need RENDER/Composite enabled in Xorg? |
| 02:11.37 | annma | it needs composite, yes |
| 02:12.04 | SuN | Alright, I figured, thanks. |
| 02:12.13 | Simkin | render made my comp crash |
| 02:12.16 | Simkin | well x anyhow |
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| 02:12.23 | Simkin | with an nvidia card |
| 02:12.41 | Simkin | and the fadein/fadeout had a few problems tooooo.. |
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| 02:13.04 | SuN | Well I just want to check it out, I know it's somewhat experimental. |
| 02:13.29 | Simkin | as long as you're aware |
| 02:13.33 | Simkin | other than that, it's GREAT |
| 02:13.44 | Simkin | i use it on my main desktop at work |
| 02:15.55 | DaSkreech | Who has better drivers nVidia or ATI? |
| 02:16.13 | Sho_ | nVidia |
| 02:16.15 | Sho_ | by far |
| 02:16.16 | annma | nVidia for composite |
| 02:16.26 | Simkin | i'd say nvidia for everything |
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| 02:18.59 | annma | Sho_: wow, rich! |
| 02:20.28 | Simkin | Sho_: is it pci-x? |
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| 02:21.25 | Sho_ | Simkin: No, AGP |
| 02:21.42 | Sho_ | annma: In my defense I make a living with 3d graphics :) |
| 02:21.53 | annma | I see |
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| 02:23.21 | Simkin | i think kde 3.5 broke a feature |
| 02:23.54 | DaSkreech | Sho_: What kind of living? |
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| 02:24.31 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Modelling for virtual product photography, mostly |
| 02:24.37 | Jumper_ | Hey... |
| 02:24.46 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Run that again? |
| 02:24.53 | DaSkreech | Virtual Products? |
| 02:25.22 | Jumper_ | What happened with kde-look? |
| 02:26.01 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: 3d models of physical objects, products, to be used in advertisement |
| 02:26.13 | Sho_ | Jumper: Hardware failure |
| 02:26.27 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Any Noticeable work you want to showcase? |
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| 02:26.57 | Sho_ | DaSkreech: Not at 3:30 AM, no :) |
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| 02:27.30 | musashiden | hello everyone, i have a question |
| 02:27.34 | musashiden | how do i configure konversation to use a proxy? yes i have an http proxy set up in the proxy setup option. |
| 02:27.53 | Simkin | musashiden: where is the proxy setup option in konversation? |
| 02:27.58 | Simkin | i've been looking for that myself |
| 02:27.59 | DaSkreech | Sho_: Oh I was hoping you had a ad in a magazine or some such I could hunt down :) |
| 02:28.00 | Simkin | i want to use tor |
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| 02:28.23 | musashiden | Simkin: i dont know, thats why iam asking |
| 02:28.29 | Sho_ | musashiden: Proxy support in Konvi is rather flakey right now. We can use the proxy specified in the KDE options, but usually you want a specific one for Konvi - which we don't support yet. |
| 02:29.10 | musashiden | Sho_: so there is no way to connect to an irc server trough a proxy using konversation? |
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| 02:29.24 | Sho_ | musashiden: There is, as I said, it can use the KDE proxy settings |
| 02:29.47 | musashiden | Sho_: how do i make konversation use the kde proxy settings?\ |
| 02:29.55 | Simkin | anyone else seeing funny looking "I"'s on the wikipedia pages instead of .'s when using konqueror instead of firefox to view their site? |
| 02:30.38 | musashiden | Sho_: because as i said, iam connecting to websites and pages trough a proxy using konqueror, just konversation wont recognise it |
| 02:30.51 | Sho_ | musashiden: Hmm ... that, on the other hand, is curious |
| 02:31.33 | Sho_ | musashiden: Theoretically it should pick those settings up automatically as we go through the knetwork stuff for the connection - that was the impression I had, but I have to admit I'm not too intimate with that part of the code |
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| 02:34.47 | p0lym0rf1c | hi all |
| 02:34.54 | annma | Simkin: what font? |
| 02:35.03 | p0lym0rf1c | how can I turn on mouse gestures in kde 3.5? |
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| 02:35.09 | annma | Simkin: I see 's here |
| 02:35.18 | pfein | any workable alternatives to the default kicker? |
| 02:35.20 | vassagus | there is any way to download a complete http directory with konqueror |
| 02:35.31 | Simkin | annma: i didn't change from the default font |
| 02:35.40 | Simkin | anma let me check what the default is though |
| 02:35.45 | annma | Simkin: yes weird |
| 02:35.54 | annma | maybe your distro has a weird default |
| 02:36.00 | Simkin | maybe |
| 02:36.10 | Simkin | i'm not sure what font affects konqueror |
| 02:36.21 | annma | look in konq settings |
| 02:36.38 | musashiden | damnit i need help on this :/ |
| 02:36.39 | Simkin | nimbnus sans l |
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| 02:37.18 | Simkin | annma: what font are you using? |
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| 02:38.02 | annma | standard font is Bitstream Vera Serif fro konq |
| 02:38.19 | annma | I guess I set that for testing something recently |
| 02:39.39 | Jumper_ | I'm editing.kderc here to change the fonts... |
| 02:39.51 | Jumper_ | StandardFont=helvetica,10,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0 |
| 02:40.00 | Jumper_ | What are those other numbers for? |
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| 02:40.09 | annma | lots of things |
| 02:40.23 | annma | size weight .... |
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| 02:40.38 | annma | have a look at qfont API doc |
| 02:40.43 | Jumper_ | Hmmm... |
| 02:40.48 | Jumper_ | OK, thanks... |
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| 02:43.42 | Simkin | In one experiment, to prove that colour perception is caused by pressure on the eye, Newton slid a darning needle around the side of his eye until he could poke at its rear side, dispassionately noting "white, darke & coloured circles" so long as he kept stirring with "ye bodkin." |
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| 02:45.21 | spartacus | Hi. Can anyone answer a KMail question for me? What is the significance of the "envelope"? icon on a message that I've sent? |
| 02:45.57 | spartacus | Kmail 1.6.2 using KDE 3.2.1 on SLES 9 if it matters. |
| 02:46.07 | annma | in the Sent box? |
| 02:46.15 | spartacus | annma: yes |
| 02:46.35 | annma | Send later maybe |
| 02:46.48 | annma | not sure what icon you mean |
| 02:47.21 | annma | edit the mail,look in COmposer -> Message |
| 02:47.26 | annma | do you see your icon here? |
| 02:48.46 | spartacus | No, it only shows in the list. There's a "paper"? icon, then an "envelope" icon, then the name. I wondered about "send later" or if it signified that it was a "contact" |
| 02:50.02 | spartacus | Must be a contact - I just got a reply from her, so obviously the message was delivered |
| 02:50.59 | annma | the contact icon should not be the envelop |
| 02:51.13 | annma | but a sort of identity card |
| 02:53.00 | spartacus | hmm. perhaps it is... but that's what it looks like to me. looks like a stamped envolope moving at speed :-) |
| 02:53.23 | spartacus | it could be an id card, but i think opera's way of using a face is clearer |
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| 03:31.38 | Oleg_ | people, please help! when you load http://www.barbariantv.com/PebbleCreekReunion.html and point your mouse to Peeble Creek Part 8 and Peeble Creek Part 9, does the link to wmv show the same name for both clips? |
| 03:32.27 | Hobbsee | Oleg_: indeed it does, as far as i can see |
| 03:32.43 | Oleg_ | what is the link for the clip 9? |
| 03:33.19 | Oleg_ | oh |
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| 03:39.52 | Hobbsee | Oleg_: http://www.barbariantv.com/media/PC9_magicshow.wmv |
| 03:41.20 | Oleg_ | Hobbsee: and the link for clip 8 has a different name? |
| 03:41.43 | Hobbsee | clip 8: http://www.barbariantv.com/media/PC8_preschool2.wmv |
| 03:41.52 | Hobbsee | clip 9: http://www.barbariantv.com/media/PC9_magicshow.wmv |
| 03:42.06 | Hobbsee | they screwed up the html |
| 03:42.10 | Oleg_ | hmm... |
| 03:42.14 | Oleg_ | interesting... |
| 03:42.49 | Oleg_ | why do both links have the same names in my Konqueror? |
| 03:45.09 | Oleg_ | Hobbsee: ? |
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| 03:45.35 | Hobbsee | Oleg_: on the second link, the one to clip 9, mouse over the left half of it, and then the right half of it :P |
| 03:45.49 | Hobbsee | the right half of the link is a link to the clip 8, the left half is to clip 9 |
| 03:46.46 | Oleg_ | ah |
| 03:46.50 | Oleg_ | thanks |
| 03:46.53 | Hobbsee | no problems |
| 03:47.35 | Oleg_ | and firefox acts the same |
| 03:51.26 | Hobbsee | until you click on one of the links, yes |
| 03:51.37 | Hobbsee | then one changes to visited colour, one doesnt |
| 03:51.41 | Hobbsee | that's the way i found out |
| 03:52.22 | Oleg_ | ok |
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| 04:26.00 | spatialguru | hi all. I have a web app with a whack of javascript in it. It crashes konqueror very efficiently. I wondered if anyone would be able to help me debug why that happens? |
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| 04:26.37 | atomic_UE | I've just jumped from FC4 to Mandriva 2006 and copied my ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail from the old system to the new one, because I couldn't find any other form of exporting from kmail. However kmail in Mandriva seems to be caching all the mail attachments directly into ~/ with the wierd alphanumeric cache like names. Any idea why and/or how to fix it? |
| 04:26.44 | atomic_UE | kmail 1.8.2 and kde 3.4.2 |
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| 05:01.20 | psibyrion | lol kde gets stuck at initializing system services |
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| 05:01.34 | psibyrion | anyone have any pointers? |
| 05:01.52 | mike-m | do you use a mouse theme ? |
| 05:02.07 | mike-m | i remember this happend to me with a mouse theme :/ |
| 05:02.30 | psibyrion | mouse theme? |
| 05:02.42 | psibyrion | um |
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| 05:02.47 | psibyrion | the default |
| 05:02.48 | mike-m | mouse/cursor |
| 05:02.56 | mike-m | oh, than nevermind :) |
| 05:04.08 | adamt | i'm a precision sleeper - i fell a sleep in my beed in front of my laptop, with my glasses on, and a can of soda - even the can was still standing up when i wake up. hm. |
| 05:04.15 | adamt | *bed |
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| 05:10.05 | adamt_ | argh, and now why did i forget to turn on the power yesterday. grr. |
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| 05:29.17 | geek_in_training | Dudes? |
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| 05:30.35 | psibyrion | it started alright |
| 05:30.44 | psibyrion | just slow a molasses in winter |
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| 05:35.47 | adamt | geek_in_training: dude? |
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| 05:42.06 | tsume | kde-look is STILL down since I first reported it yesterday |
| 05:42.37 | Sho_ | yep |
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| 05:43.55 | HuntsMan | tsume: yep, Hard Disk problem |
| 05:45.28 | tsume | HuntsMan: :( |
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| 05:51.04 | AssociateX | Hello people |
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| 05:51.16 | AssociateX | how long until kde4 comes out? |
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| 05:56.38 | Sho_ | AssociateX: At least a year |
| 05:57.09 | AssociateX | oh no! |
| 05:57.17 | AssociateX | that's not good at all |
| 05:57.29 | AssociateX | .... but then it's better than nothing |
| 05:58.09 | Sho_ | AssociateX: Well, as reflected by the version number inflation, the changes will be a lot more substantial than 3.4->3.5 :-) |
| 05:58.45 | AssociateX | I just want the exemption of arts |
| 05:59.26 | Sho_ | You will likely get that |
| 05:59.43 | AssociateX | I have compiled everything now without arts support and just want to do away with it and still have kde system sounds |
| 05:59.54 | Columcille | good luck hehe |
| 05:59.56 | AssociateX | oh well |
| 05:59.58 | Columcille | let me know how you do it |
| 06:00.20 | AssociateX | Columcille, suse can already do it and kde4 should have it |
| 06:00.29 | Sho_ | Every KDE can do it |
| 06:00.32 | Columcille | kde4 will, yes, but as was said, a year away hehe |
| 06:00.48 | AssociateX | Sho_, tell me how then |
| 06:00.49 | Sho_ | KControl -> Sound & Multimedia -> System Noficiations -> Player Settings -> Use an external player |
| 06:01.01 | Columcille | what about things like kscd? |
| 06:01.05 | Sho_ | Just use something that plays ogg, uses whatever sound system you want directly, and is resource-friendly |
| 06:01.06 | AssociateX | like which external player? |
| 06:01.08 | Columcille | best I can tell, kscd relies on the internal sound system |
| 06:01.27 | AssociateX | I don't know if I even have kscd |
| 06:01.31 | Sho_ | (people use kscd? ;) |
| 06:02.34 | AssociateX | I do have kscd installed, what do you know... hahahah |
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| 06:02.44 | AssociateX | I do have kscd installed, what do you know... hahahah |
| 06:02.48 | Columcille | oops |
| 06:02.54 | Columcille | and no, don't use kscd, it's the principle :P |
| 06:03.15 | AssociateX | anyway, Sho_ like which player? |
| 06:03.28 | AssociateX | alsaplay..... or what ever it's called |
| 06:03.37 | Sho_ | not sure |
| 06:03.43 | Sho_ | perhaps invoke gstreamer |
| 06:04.13 | AssociateX | how would I do that? |
| 06:04.21 | Sho_ | no idea |
| 06:04.25 | AssociateX | truely I have not looked into that at all |
| 06:04.27 | AssociateX | ok |
| 06:04.28 | Sho_ | I don't use system sounds .) |
| 06:05.04 | AssociateX | neither do I since.. |
| 06:05.06 | AssociateX | hahah |
| 06:06.49 | Columcille | I never use them hehe |
| 06:07.03 | Columcille | typically disable them first. But, doggone it, it's the principle of the thing! :P |
| 06:07.12 | Columcille | this isn't some crummy MS Windows install, this is KDE! |
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| 06:15.07 | mr-rich | anyone here use Quanta? |
| 06:15.40 | Sho_ | not much |
| 06:16.09 | mr-rich | know anything about fish://? |
| 06:17.02 | Columcille | want to hear about the one that got away? |
| 06:17.54 | mr-rich | I couldn't care less ... |
| 06:19.02 | Sho_ | mr-rich: well, I use fish:// now and then |
| 06:20.27 | mr-rich | I'm trying to set up a project in Quanta to remotly edit a site ... I can use fish:// to open a single file, but Quanta won't let me create a new project using fish:// |
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| 06:22.33 | mr-rich | keep getting this message: Cannot open file fish://rich@www.richardshomepage.com/mypage.webprj for writing. |
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| 06:24.12 | cellerdoor | does anyone know how to use this thing im looking for another chat room and i have no clue what i am doing |
| 06:25.00 | Sho_ | cellerdoor: What chatroom are you looking for? |
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| 06:25.17 | cellerdoor | im not sure im looking for the list of chat rooms |
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| 06:25.44 | Sho_ | cellerdoor: What IRC client are you using? |
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| 06:26.08 | cellerdoor | i dont know what that means i know nothing about coms |
| 06:26.25 | Sho_ | cellerdoor: What is the name of the program you're using to chat with me right now :) |
| 06:26.33 | cellerdoor | k something |
| 06:26.35 | cellerdoor | ? |
| 06:26.48 | Sho_ | cellerdoor: The name should be in the title bar at the top of the program |
| 06:26.49 | cellerdoor | i see kde alot |
| 06:27.18 | cellerdoor | i dont have a title bar on anything my boyfriend set up my user name so i couldnt screw anthing up |
| 06:27.25 | cellerdoor | and hes not here to help me sry |
| 06:27.26 | Sho_ | hmhm |
| 06:27.54 | Sho_ | cellerdoor_: On the off chance you're using Konversation, try typing "/list" (without the quotation marks) and hit Enter, perhaps that will get you a list |
| 06:28.15 | cellerdoor | in the space that im typing in? |
| 06:28.19 | Sho_ | yep |
| 06:28.26 | Sho_ | IRC commands are prefixed with / |
| 06:28.26 | cellerdoor | "? |
| 06:28.28 | cellerdoor | oops |
| 06:28.43 | cellerdoor | "/list" |
| 06:28.48 | cellerdoor | well |
| 06:28.50 | cellerdoor | ?? |
| 06:28.55 | Sho_ | Without "" |
| 06:28.59 | cellerdoor | ooh |
| 06:29.15 | Sho_ | If nothing happens, you're using a different program ... :) |
| 06:29.30 | cellerdoor | ok can you see that or is is just on my screen |
| 06:29.37 | Sho_ | cellerdoor_: Just on yours |
| 06:30.00 | cellerdoor | it said list server load is temporarily too heavy please wait a while and try again end of channel list |
| 06:30.09 | Sho_ | ah, hm |
| 06:30.50 | cellerdoor | ohh well thats ok ill chat with yall |
| 06:31.10 | Sho_ | well, it's a slow night here :) |
| 06:31.18 | cellerdoor | ahh thats ok |
| 06:31.20 | mr-rich | ok, quanta sucks ... |
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| 06:31.28 | cellerdoor | huh |
| 06:31.29 | xz | Sho_: how come /help doesn't work ? in konversation |
| 06:31.51 | Sho_ | xz: Hm, it does for me ... |
| 06:32.02 | cellerdoor | god computers confuse the hell out of me |
| 06:32.03 | mr-rich | anyone have suggestions on a web dev tool that can do remote editing besides Quanta? |
| 06:32.07 | Sho_ | xz: Perhaps we fixed in SVN over v.0.18 |
| 06:32.24 | Sho_ | cellerdoor: yeah, they're not easy enough |
| 06:32.33 | cellerdoor | no they are not |
| 06:32.43 | cellerdoor | see i can type really fast but thats about it |
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| 06:33.27 | Sho_ | well you kinda landed in a somewhat geeky channel :) |
| 06:33.42 | cellerdoor | thats ok im a dork so we are related |
| 06:34.13 | _goblade | Hello ! |
| 06:34.19 | cellerdoor | well hello |
| 06:34.33 | _goblade | im new here !! |
| 06:34.38 | cellerdoor | hey me too |
| 06:34.40 | cellerdoor | yay |
| 06:34.59 | _goblade | i want to join channel AI |
| 06:35.08 | cellerdoor | ok |
| 06:35.27 | _goblade | how to do this? |
| 06:35.41 | cellerdoor | dude im retarted when it comes to coms |
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| 06:36.02 | Sho_ | By typing in "/join #AI" (without the "") and hitting the Enter button on your keyboard |
| 06:36.21 | _goblade | thx |
| 06:36.23 | cellerdoor | thank god for sho |
| 06:36.26 | cellerdoor | !! |
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| 06:36.36 | Sho_ | :) |
| 06:36.53 | cellerdoor | a/s/l sho |
| 06:37.10 | Sho_ | early twenties, male, Berlin/Germany |
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| 06:37.26 | cpw | It's the german takeover again |
| 06:37.36 | Sho_ | yep |
| 06:38.05 | cellerdoor | whats wrong with the germans |
| 06:38.56 | cellerdoor | what is that |
| 06:39.47 | _goblade | Sorry Again :-) i have Join the chanel but i cant talk why???? |
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| 06:45.08 | cellerdoor_ | yay i found it |
| 06:45.20 | Sho_ | The channel list? :-) |
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| 07:11.35 | psibyrion | System Information for [ bandit ] |
| 07:11.36 | psibyrion | OS/Kernel Linux 2.6.14-ck6 |
| 07:11.36 | psibyrion | CPU Info AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1333.018 Mhz 2669.20 Bogomips |
| 07:11.36 | psibyrion | HD Info 10GB total storage capacity |
| 07:11.37 | psibyrion | Memory 121.789/249.582MB |
| 07:11.37 | psibyrion | Processes 67 |
| 07:11.38 | psibyrion | Uptime 11:13 |
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| 08:11.48 | macisaac | anybody try using kmail with gssapi turned on? |
| 08:12.12 | Sho_ | can't say I have |
| 08:13.04 | macisaac | pity, cause I can't seem to get it to work right. (kerberos authentication is mighty important here) |
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| 08:13.56 | Sho_ | I'm not sure if kmail has a user-focussed mailing list, but in-depth discussion on kmail features would probably be best held there, especially in such cases |
| 08:14.21 | Sho_ | ah: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-users |
| 08:14.53 | macisaac | thanks |
| 08:15.34 | macisaac | though actually I need to know this for packaging, so a dev list might not be inappropriate |
| 08:16.30 | macisaac | I'm suspecting it may have something to do with us using heimdal here, as KDE does not seem to like it in other places as well. |
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| 08:18.58 | luciash | hello |
| 08:19.56 | luciash | i'm using kxdocker 0.0.39 and can't find how to get rid of the kxdocker startup sound |
| 08:20.17 | luciash | any tips ? |
| 08:20.27 | luciash | or tricks ? ;) |
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| 08:30.59 | luciash | does anybody else here use kxdocker ? |
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| 09:06.12 | AA|monsterb1969 | howdy |
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| 09:20.32 | wanderingdavi | Is there a way to make it so that a left click on an active window doesn't raise it? |
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| 09:20.48 | wanderingdavi | I've got it so that it doesn't raise on inactive, but the second time I click, it raises. |
| 09:21.05 | wanderingdavi | I want it only to raise when I click on the taskbar |
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| 09:25.08 | luciash | wanderingdavi: yes |
| 09:25.33 | luciash | wanderingdavi: it's possible |
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| 09:26.26 | wanderingdavi | luciash, Could you point me in the right direction? I've fiddled with all the settings I can find. |
| 09:26.29 | luciash | wanderingdavi: unfortunatelly i'm currently logged in with czech environment so i can't guide you step by step but it's under windows behaviour settings in kcontrol |
| 09:27.00 | wanderingdavi | That's what I've been fiddling with |
| 09:27.15 | luciash | on the first tab there must be the third checkbox unchecked |
| 09:27.36 | luciash | on the second tab you set left button does nothing on active window |
| 09:27.41 | wanderingdavi | Got it |
| 09:27.41 | wanderingdavi | ty |
| 09:27.53 | wanderingdavi | It's funny, I thought I'd done that before and it hadn't worked |
| 09:27.56 | luciash | inactive only activates |
| 09:27.58 | wanderingdavi | I must have not done thme all at once |
| 09:27.59 | wanderingdavi | yeah |
| 09:28.05 | luciash | ok, np :) |
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| 09:35.30 | wanderingdavi | I switched from gnome about ten minutes ago, and I think I'm in love with all this customizability |
| 09:35.33 | wanderingdavi | I will make it mine :-) |
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| 09:36.17 | wanderingdavi | I spent an hour writing a script to do the slide show background that's built in, and this one is easier to maintain. |
| 09:36.42 | luciash | :) |
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| 09:37.30 | wanderingdavi | Have got to do something about some of the themes though. It looks like a wannabe space age pile of trash right now |
| 09:38.12 | Sho_ | heh :) |
| 09:39.25 | luciash | themes are usually crap in KDe because they depend on installed icons, style, background, color scheme etc. (they're in fact only wrapper to collect them together) - setup your KDE style, icons, etc. separately instead |
| 09:39.37 | ananth126 | there are lot of themes available.... :) |
| 09:39.53 | luciash | KDE theme != KDE style |
| 09:40.15 | wanderingdavi | Ah, well allow me to rephrase |
| 09:40.26 | wanderingdavi | The default style looks like a wannabe space age pile of trash |
| 09:40.30 | wanderingdavi | ;-) |
| 09:40.58 | wanderingdavi | But it would seem that the designers have been so thoughtful as to make that easy to deal with. |
| 09:41.20 | Sho_ | Well, Gnome looks very similar recently |
| 09:41.30 | luciash | style handles Qt widgets, win decoration handles look and feel of kwin - actually Plastik should be default and it's not so bad imho |
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| 09:42.02 | luciash | but it depends on your distro what's predefined usually |
| 09:42.56 | Sho_ | Their new "Clearlooks" default theme looks very similar to Plastik - so much, in fact, that I use it for GTK apps rather than the slower gtk-qt-engine wrapper |
| 09:43.31 | luciash | Sho_: yup, i also use serenity rather than gtk-qt |
| 09:43.34 | wanderingdavi | I dunno. Whichever I'm on is way too round for me |
| 09:43.52 | Sho_ | well, try others, there are many with harder edges, crisper gradients, etc. |
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| 09:44.07 | wanderingdavi | Yeah, I'm dealing with my background first;-) |
| 09:44.10 | wanderingdavi | Far more critical |
| 09:44.19 | wanderingdavi | I am sure I will make it happylooking |
| 09:44.39 | luciash | wanderingdavi: try Phase style |
| 09:45.00 | Sho_ | yeah, I was going to suggest the same |
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| 09:45.53 | luciash | only disadvantage of KDE native styles and windecos is they must be compiled and installed while in Gnome you easily just unpack a tarball |
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| 09:46.43 | Sho_ | luciash: Not true, gtk engines must be compiled, too |
| 09:46.49 | VxJasonxV | Apparently I set KDE to automatically start XChat when a session launches |
| 09:46.55 | VxJasonxV | ... could anyone tell me where to shut that off? |
| 09:46.56 | Sho_ | luciash: Only windecos are non-compiled, they use metacity's scripting stuff |
| 09:47.11 | luciash | Sho_: ok, but once u have negine installed you can install themes easily |
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| 09:47.48 | luciash | VxJasonxV: remove it from ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 09:48.13 | VxJasonxV | not listed in there |
| 09:48.26 | Sho_ | luciash: No, GTK 'styles' must be compiled just as KDE styles |
| 09:48.47 | luciash | VxJasonxV: or ~/Desktop/Autostart |
| 09:48.57 | VxJasonxV | nupe, no such file |
| 09:49.06 | luciash | VxJasonxV: then you must save it with your session when logging off KDE |
| 09:49.42 | luciash | VxJasonxV: just close (kill all instances of XChat) it before you logoff KDE |
| 09:49.55 | VxJasonxV | I could swear I did last time, but I will this time for sure, thanks. |
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| 09:50.47 | luciash | Sho_: i don't think so :) |
| 09:50.57 | Sho_ | luciash: you think wrong, then :) |
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| 09:51.36 | luciash | Sho_: maybe :) but from my experience i only unpack them in my ~/.themes dir |
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| 09:58.45 | wanderingdavi | Could you repeat the style you had recommended to me? |
| 09:58.59 | wanderingdavi | I managed to hang my system |
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| 09:59.32 | xroberx | hi |
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| 10:00.14 | xroberx | does anyone know if there is any way to make konsole remember bash commands when restarting a session ? |
| 10:00.24 | xroberx | like tail |
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| 10:00.51 | luciash | wanderingdavi: Phase |
| 10:01.16 | PhilRod | xroberx: not quite sure what you mean. Could you explain further? |
| 10:02.53 | xroberx | PhilRod: sure, i want konsole to remember its last bash command, because i want tail -f /var/log/foooooo.... to get called every time i start a session |
| 10:02.54 | luciash | xroberx: imho it depends on your ~/.bash_profile settings, not Konsole |
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| 10:04.36 | xroberx | luciash: mmm, if it depended on .bash_profile, i couldn't have more than a single tab opened in konsole |
| 10:04.54 | xroberx | and i have four tabs (each one with a tail -f command) |
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| 10:08.25 | PhilRod | xroberx: just to check that I understand: you have four tabs open, each with a different "tail -f" command. You want to close konsole and restart it, and have it automatically load the four tabs, each with the same command running in it? |
| 10:10.08 | xroberx | PhilRod: no, i don't want to close konsole. I log out with konsole running, so the next time i log in konsole gets started. The problem is even though all tabs get opened, the last command of the tabs are not remembered |
| 10:10.54 | PhilRod | ok, I see |
| 10:10.56 | xroberx | say i have tail -f /var/log/apache2/acces_log in tab1 , tail -f /var/log/exim/exim_main.log in tab2 and so on |
| 10:11.09 | PhilRod | let me see |
| 10:11.21 | xroberx | ok |
| 10:12.09 | demantik | when starting wine apps, and kde apps, it has about a 2 minute delay before it starts |
| 10:12.46 | demantik | any way i can see whats going on |
| 10:13.01 | wanderingdavi | Okay, so fiddling with themes and styles, it seems to me that by picking a theme you can get a more coherant setup, yes? |
| 10:16.11 | PhilRod | wanderingdavi: well, in the sense that a theme is a set of settings for everything picked by someone, yes |
| 10:16.35 | PhilRod | whereas you can mix and match the widget style, windeco, etc yourself if you prefer |
| 10:17.45 | luciash | xroberx: try to run them with & at the end of command |
| 10:18.00 | xz | demantik: open kde apps with a term and see if any messages are printed.. |
| 10:18.14 | xroberx | luciash: that won't work if i reboot the computer |
| 10:18.14 | xz | demantik: do you have lots of fonts installed? i had delays when i had like 6000 fonts... |
| 10:18.15 | PhilRod | xroberx: ok, I think you might be able to do it with konsole session types |
| 10:18.25 | PhilRod | need to fiddle a little to see if it'll work though |
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| 10:19.14 | PhilRod | demantik: could also be a problem with network setup. Take a look at this thread on dot.kde.org: |
| 10:19.16 | PhilRod | ~slowstartup |
| 10:19.17 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, slowstartup is http://dot.kde.org/1065244432/1065325080/ |
| 10:19.19 | demantik | xz: it happens when i run wine also, if that is any indication...i only have the normal xorg fonts installed, plus artwiz fonts i believe...no more than 100 fonts. |
| 10:19.28 | demantik | PhilRod: ok thanks ill read up |
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| 10:20.01 | PhilRod | demantik: also find the kde-freebsd mailing list - there's plenty of discussion there about the issue (some is freebsd-specific, but a lot is general) |
| 10:20.09 | demantik | alright |
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| 10:21.49 | xroberx | hi again |
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| 10:22.06 | xroberx | PhilRod: i saved the session profile and it didn't work |
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| 10:22.43 | PhilRod | xroberx: I think you'll have to create a .desktop file (or four) |
| 10:23.47 | demantik | PhilRod: this may sound stupid, but uh...in rc.conf, the HOSTNAME, i didnt think that mattered much...so i made it anything...should it be an ip or name of my network? LOL |
| 10:23.57 | demantik | PhilRod: ip for my modem/router ? |
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| 10:25.57 | PhilRod | I think it just needs to be set - are you on freebsd? |
| 10:26.18 | demantik | PhilRod: Arch Linux.. |
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| 10:27.02 | PhilRod | demantik: oh, I'm not really familiar with that distro, sorry |
| 10:27.12 | demantik | its alright |
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| 10:28.51 | demantik | brb |
| 10:30.18 | PhilRod | xroberx: ok, some progress. The idea is as follows: create a konsole type that automatically starts the tail command. (one for each tail command you want). Start a konsole with tabs containing each of those types. Restart KDE and hope that konsole remembers what types of konsole were running |
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| 10:31.16 | PhilRod | xroberx: so, to test if that works, start up a konsole with "konsole --type linux" (or some other type - see "konsole --types"). Restart KDE and see if the konsole gets restarted with the right type |
| 10:31.28 | PhilRod | if that works, I'll explain how to create the appropriate types |
| 10:34.18 | PhilRod | (this will be a bit of work to set up, but once it's set up, it should work without further fiddling :-)) |
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| 10:41.04 | sbh | motd: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html |
| 10:41.24 | oGALAXYo | sbh: :) |
| 10:43.05 | PhilRod | ooh, I saw that, but didn't realise he posted it to the gnome-usability list |
| 10:43.25 | PhilRod | not a man of great tact and subtlety :-) |
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| 10:44.49 | xroberx | hi again |
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| 10:45.10 | xroberx | PhilRod: the type is remembered, but not the command executed |
| 10:46.03 | PhilRod | xroberx: oh, that's ok - because you can set teh command to execute in the .desktop file |
| 10:46.42 | PhilRod | right, next step: cp $KDEDIR/share/apps/konsole/mc.desktop ~/.kde/share/apps/konsole/tail1.desktop |
| 10:47.59 | PhilRod | then edit tail1.desktop: Change the name to "Tail somefile" or whatever, (lose the Name[langcode] and Comment[langcode] lines if you want) and the Exec line to "Exec=tail -f /path/to/file" |
| 10:48.49 | PhilRod | save the file, and then create .desktop files for tail2 tail3 and tail4 in the same way |
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| 10:53.30 | wanderingdavi | What's the difference between focus follows mouse, focus under mouse and focus strictly under mouse? |
| 10:54.59 | PhilRod | probably something to do with whether newly-started windows are automatically focussed |
| 10:55.17 | PhilRod | take a look in the user guide, I think it's described in there |
| 10:55.18 | PhilRod | ~ug |
| 10:55.20 | apt | ug is probably http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/ |
| 10:57.42 | PhilRod | xroberx: shout when you've done that - there's one more step needed |
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| 10:58.09 | demantik | yipee |
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| 10:59.08 | penguinzdr | 2 days without kde-look and kde-apps! |
| 10:59.08 | penguinzdr | :(((( |
| 10:59.08 | demantik | problem solved....i was using netcfg to set my network details..it didnt have loopback in there :) as soon as i changed that, it fixed the problem |
| 10:59.13 | Sho_ | penguinzdr: yeah :( |
| 11:04.29 | demantik | can somebody tell me |
| 11:04.36 | demantik | i dont use kde, i use openbox,but.. |
| 11:04.45 | demantik | how can i open the kde theme control panel thing |
| 11:04.54 | demantik | to change how everythign looks when i run kde based programs |
| 11:05.12 | PhilRod | kcontrol |
| 11:05.25 | demantik | PhilRod: i must be missing something, because it doesnt show up in tehre lol |
| 11:05.40 | Aji-Dahaka | demantik: should definitely be called kcontrol |
| 11:06.03 | PhilRod | demantik: did you install the kdebase package? |
| 11:06.50 | demantik | PhilRod: yeah..im just re-installing it now though...im sure something is messed up in it.. |
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| 11:11.19 | eXistenZ | When the bugs for the kde3.5 will get fixed? |
| 11:11.53 | PhilRod | the 21st December at 9:45am GMT |
| 11:12.00 | eXistenZ | PhilRod, Funny! |
| 11:12.05 | Sho_ | eXistenZ: The first maintenance release, 3.5.1, will likely be released in a few weeks time |
| 11:12.43 | eXistenZ | Sho_, there are some users who reported the problem of kicker crash on logout/shutdown. |
| 11:13.23 | Sho_ | eXistenZ: I'm not aware of that specific bug, but if it was reported properly, and the assigned developers were able to reproduce it, chances are there is a fix in 3.5.1 |
| 11:14.13 | PhilRod | eXistenZ: take a look on bugs.kde.org |
| 11:15.35 | eXistenZ | Sho_, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113242 |
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| 11:16.52 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
| 11:17.02 | Sho_ | eXistenZ: As Aaron Seigo explains there, the fix will be in KDE 3.5.1, to be released in a few weeks |
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| 11:17.08 | eXistenZ | great |
| 11:17.09 | eXistenZ | =) |
| 11:17.11 | aseigo | i actually fixed it for 3.5 |
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| 11:17.25 | aseigo | and then another developer stupidly reverted it w/out notifying me |
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| 11:17.32 | hydroksyde | hello... is there a network monitor proggy in KDE? |
| 11:17.39 | Aji-Dahaka | poor aseigo |
| 11:17.39 | eXistenZ | hehe |
| 11:17.44 | aseigo | Aji-Dahaka: poor users, mnore like it |
| 11:17.46 | Sho_ | hydroksyde: ksysguard |
| 11:18.05 | aseigo | Aji-Dahaka: i feel really bad about sending out shite like that when the fix was there ... =( |
| 11:18.36 | Aji-Dahaka | aseigo: so poor me? :p |
| 11:18.40 | aseigo | Aji-Dahaka: exactly. |
| 11:18.54 | Aji-Dahaka | not poor me yet, still waiting for freebsd's port to be done on it |
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| 11:19.11 | eXistenZ | aseigo, what distro are you using, interestingly ? |
| 11:19.30 | aseigo | suse and kubuntu |
| 11:19.54 | eXistenZ | ah, I use kubuntu |
| 11:20.37 | Aji-Dahaka | I got a friend trying kubuntu and he doesn't seem to hate it :) |
| 11:20.51 | hydroksyde | Sho_, how do I make it monitor the network? all it does is CPU and memory right now |
| 11:20.58 | Aji-Dahaka | I actually found suse a bit difficult to use so I overwrote it |
| 11:21.43 | eXistenZ | what kind of packages does suse use? rpm? |
| 11:21.49 | Sho_ | hydroksyde: You can expand the list of available sensors on the left, and drag sensors to the grid (the amount of columns and grids is configurable) |
| 11:21.50 | Aji-Dahaka | yeah |
| 11:21.56 | Aji-Dahaka | yeah @ eXistenZ |
| 11:22.16 | Sho_ | hydroksyde: And there are network sensors :) |
| 11:22.31 | eXistenZ | I've always been debian-oriented =/ |
| 11:22.58 | hydroksyde | I don't see a list of availible sensors |
| 11:23.14 | eXistenZ | hydrogen, in ksensors? |
| 11:23.48 | hydroksyde | eXistenZ, in KSysGuard |
| 11:23.58 | Sho_ | hydroksyde: You have a tree on the left in ksysguard |
| 11:24.14 | luciash | hydroksyde: there's special panel called KSim |
| 11:24.33 | luciash | hydroksyde: simmilar to gkrellm |
| 11:25.04 | Sho_ | hydroksyde: http://www.eikehein.com/ksysguard.png |
| 11:25.10 | hydroksyde | I see |
| 11:26.21 | Sho_ | You can configure the worksheet (the grid) to have a number of columns and rows, and then drag sensors over to the grid, and chose if it should be a plotter, a bar graph, etc. |
| 11:26.31 | Sho_ | It's a nice app :) |
| 11:27.09 | hydroksyde | I see now |
| 11:27.13 | hydroksyde | Thanks |
| 11:27.19 | Sho_ | np :) |
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| 11:30.36 | anabain | hi, I wanted to disable all arts stuff (if necessary) in order to manage sound trhough jack system, as I want to try some "serious" music stuff in my debian sid with kde 3.4. What do I need to do? |
| 11:31.22 | PhilRod | anabain: arts can use a jack backend, IIRC |
| 11:31.24 | PhilRod | let me check |
| 11:32.12 | luciash | anabain: yeah, use arts with jack. if it fails disable sound server in KDE completely |
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| 11:33.14 | fpitt_ | Hi2all |
| 11:33.16 | PhilRod | anabain: check with "artsd -A" |
| 11:33.19 | PhilRod | hi fpitt_ |
| 11:33.21 | hydroksyde | can anybody reccomend a nice dark coloured KDE theme? |
| 11:33.47 | Aji-Dahaka | crystal is fine in pretty much any colour and you'd just be left with finding the colour set |
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| 11:34.20 | barosl | does kde use fam? |
| 11:35.11 | anabain | PhilRod, there is jack option listed. What should I dom then? |
| 11:35.24 | anabain | dom/do |
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| 11:37.12 | charolastra | hi there |
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| 11:38.57 | luciash | hydroksyde: you can make your own by changing the color scheme ;) |
| 11:39.20 | hydroksyde | luciash, of course |
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| 11:42.46 | charolastra | can i change it that kmilo doesn't use the master channel when changing volume? |
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| 11:42.58 | Whisky_ | whats up with kde-look.org? |
| 11:42.59 | kaeptnb | hello. how could i use pam with kdescreensaver (debian etch x86) for use with pam_bioapi ? |
| 11:43.52 | Whisky_ | dunno |
| 11:44.06 | Whisky_ | kaeptnb, visit www.kde-look.org and tell me if its opening for you |
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| 11:44.42 | charolastra | seems down |
| 11:45.02 | benJIman | see topic |
| 11:45.06 | kaeptnb | Whisky_: seems to be down |
| 11:45.16 | Whisky_ | oh oops |
| 11:45.18 | Whisky_ | sorry =p |
| 11:45.28 | kaeptnb | kaeptnb@togelp1:~$ telnet kde-look.org 80 |
| 11:45.28 | kaeptnb | Trying 80.190.240.90... |
| 11:45.28 | kaeptnb | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 11:45.38 | Whisky_ | eh |
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| 11:49.38 | xroberx | PhilRod: sorry, i was busy... i've already copied that file you mentioned and edited it, now i have some .desktop files, what's the next step ? |
| 11:51.03 | Sho_ | Whisky: The hard disk broke |
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| 11:51.14 | jono | hi all |
| 11:51.21 | jono | anyone in here hack on KDE themes? |
| 11:52.31 | PhilRod | ok, you need to start up a konsole with tabs for each of those session types. A little tricky, unless I'm missing something: Alt+F2, "konsole --type tail1" |
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| 11:53.21 | jono | anyone? |
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| 11:55.32 | PhilRod | xroberx: then to start the other tabs, you have to use dcop. So open kdcop, and then go to konsole -> konsole (default) -> newSession(QString type) |
| 11:55.57 | Sho_ | jono: the artists channel would likely be a better match |
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| 11:56.15 | jono | Sho_, as in #kde-artists? |
| 11:56.25 | PhilRod | xroberx: double click on it and for the type, put "tail2", or whatever you called teh second session type |
| 11:56.37 | Sho_ | jono: or #kde-artist, not sure. one of the two :) |
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| 11:59.21 | PhilRod | xroberx: do the same for the rest of the sessions you want, and then you should have a konsole set up as you want. Restart KDE and tell me if it worked |
| 11:59.31 | xroberx | ok, gotta try it |
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| 12:03.46 | avaurus | hi |
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| 12:05.00 | xroberx | hi again |
| 12:05.28 | PhilRod | success? |
| 12:05.35 | xroberx | PhilRod: it works, but i didn't need to use kdcop, i started the new session types from konsole's Session menu |
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| 12:06.07 | xroberx | so thanks! :) |
| 12:08.25 | PhilRod | xroberx: cool - I guess there might be a simpler way to do it, but it's kinda neat what you can do if you know a little bit about KDE's internals :-) |
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| 12:08.39 | xroberx | sure :) |
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| 12:15.38 | PhilRod | I think I'll write that up, cos it's a kinda neat solution |
| 12:15.56 | PhilRod | dunno how common the problem is, but I'm quite pleased with it :-) |
| 12:16.18 | charolastra | can i change the behaviour of kmilo so that it doesn't use the master channel when changing volume/muting? |
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| 12:25.26 | charolastra | its the stuff that pops up when you press "VOL. +" on your keyboard |
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| 12:27.12 | getaceres | hi, I have a problem with konqueror, will someone help me? |
| 12:27.37 | getaceres | it is about konqueror opening files in the browser instead of asking what to do with them |
| 12:28.44 | getaceres | nobody? |
| 12:28.52 | oGALAXYo | getaceres: #konqueror |
| 12:28.53 | oGALAXYo | try there |
| 12:28.57 | getaceres | ok |
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| 12:30.50 | xroberx | getaceres: that is handled by the mime-type default action |
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| 12:32.36 | xz | how come /help doesn't seem to work in konversation? what might be wrong? |
| 12:32.53 | getaceres | well, is a pdf file. In the mime-type configuration I have it set to "show in separate viewer" and also "ask what to do" and it works for links in the form of http://someweb/somearchive.pdf |
| 12:33.05 | luciash | xz: works here |
| 12:33.15 | getaceres | but not for links in the form of http://someweb/somescript.php?file=simefile.pdf |
| 12:33.18 | luciash | try in server tab |
| 12:33.30 | luciash | xz: -^ |
| 12:33.34 | getaceres | for that links it opens the file, no matter what the mime type says |
| 12:33.34 | xz | luciash: ok.. |
| 12:33.50 | xz | 23:33] [Notice] -brown.freenode.net- WHOIS |
| 12:33.51 | xz | [23:33] [Notice] -brown.freenode.net- WHOWAS |
| 12:34.00 | xz | luciash: i get things like that |
| 12:34.11 | xz | is that it? |
| 12:34.27 | xz | luciash: but asking for e.g. /help who just gives the same list |
| 12:34.28 | sredna | getaceres: Press CTRL + I to display the http headers, and see if it wends a wrong content-type |
| 12:34.30 | luciash | xz: yup, list of available commands |
| 12:35.11 | getaceres | is that direction http://solutions.konicaminolta.com.au/intranet/tsg/training/um.cfm?b=Di450 |
| 12:35.15 | xz | luciash: how do i get help for a particular command? |
| 12:35.40 | getaceres | and that link http://solutions.konicaminolta.com.au/intranet/tsg/s.cfm?l=Bulletins&o=Di450%20Di550%20Users%20Manual.pdf |
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| 12:36.12 | sredna | xz: /help <commandname> |
| 12:36.37 | sredna | xz: Example: /help dcc |
| 12:36.56 | mike-m | and /help help |
| 12:37.02 | sredna | :o |
| 12:37.03 | xz | sredna: does nothing in konversation.. no wait.. it just lists the commands again |
| 12:37.12 | mike-m | :þ |
| 12:37.18 | xz | sredna: mike-m lists the commands in the server tab and that's all |
| 12:37.23 | sredna | It works fine in ksirc ;) |
| 12:37.34 | xz | anyone using konversation ? |
| 12:37.41 | xz | sredna: yeh i know i used to have ksirc.. |
| 12:37.45 | mike-m | konversation sucks (it's not the first time i say it :p) |
| 12:37.58 | sredna | Well, it's just still beta software |
| 12:38.24 | mike-m | it has this too much thing I don't like, I prefer irssi :) |
| 12:38.37 | luciash | xz: ah, i havent noticed that, it's right it doesn't work as it should |
| 12:38.51 | xz | luciash: oh yay it's not just me |
| 12:39.08 | xz | luciash: ok i'll go look in bugs.kde.org |
| 12:39.26 | Sho_ | There's nothing wrong with /help in Konversation |
| 12:39.34 | Sho_ | It simply sends it through to the server |
| 12:39.43 | Sho_ | Other clients chose to implement a help system using the command |
| 12:39.46 | Sho_ | Konversation does not |
| 12:39.48 | Sho_ | *shrugs* |
| 12:39.57 | getaceres | nobody has this problem with konqueror? |
| 12:40.03 | getaceres | I have it all the time |
| 12:40.30 | getaceres | that's what's making me going back to firefox in every konqueror version I try |
| 12:40.34 | mike-m | no (zsh: command not found: konversation) |
| 12:40.37 | luciash | Sho_: oh, i thought server should provide some help for commands itself |
| 12:40.43 | Sho_ | mike-m: Running around saying "xyz sucks" is hardly constructive |
| 12:40.45 | Sho_ | luciash: no |
| 12:41.07 | mike-m | Sho_: well ok i stop :) nevermind |
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| 12:41.30 | luciash | i like konversation's on-screen display messages ;) |
| 12:42.03 | xz | Sho_: the irc help thing in ksirc is client based not server based? |
| 12:42.11 | Sho_ | xz: yep |
| 12:42.26 | xz | Sho_: okie =) any plans to put something similar in konversation? |
| 12:42.57 | mike-m | xz: there is maybe something in help > manual |
| 12:43.05 | xz | mike-m: yeah i'm just looking |
| 12:43.06 | luciash | xz: you could make your own using alias commands in konversation ;) |
| 12:43.09 | Sho_ | xz: Now admittedly we need to do a better job with the documentation, and implementing a /help system might be a good idea; you can file a wish list item for that in the bug tracker if there is none yet. |
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| 12:43.48 | Sho_ | xz: Well, the usual story: We have lots of good ideas and things we want to do, but limited time and manpower :-) |
| 12:43.50 | themp | where is edge flip in kde-3.4.x ? |
| 12:44.03 | getaceres | how do I login in freenode using kopete? |
| 12:44.25 | themp | that an instant messenger |
| 12:44.33 | benJIman | add a new irc account |
| 12:44.33 | xz | Sho_: how easy is it to become a developer for some particular feature like that? |
| 12:44.34 | themp | er thats |
| 12:44.46 | xz | Sho_: i'm always idly considering it ... but it seems like a maze to get there |
| 12:44.48 | benJIman | themp: it has reasonable irc support |
| 12:44.53 | themp | xz i am sure they would toss good ocde out |
| 12:44.57 | luciash | getaceres: #kopete |
| 12:44.59 | Sho_ | xz: Relatively easy |
| 12:45.07 | themp | :)O |
| 12:45.10 | xz | themp: how optimistic.. |
| 12:45.14 | themp | jk |
| 12:45.24 | luciash | http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
| 12:45.40 | themp | edge flip anyone ? |
| 12:45.45 | xz | Sho_: is there a relatively easy howto somewhere? |
| 12:45.53 | luciash | i don't flip on edge |
| 12:46.07 | Sho_ | xz: I'm afraid not. A pointer, though: Look at outputfilter.cpp for input handling / command parsing. |
| 12:46.25 | themp | xz from what i have seen it fairly modular if you like qt and C++ id probably start a project on source forge |
| 12:46.55 | themp | man i have been edge flipping since open windows on sunos |
| 12:47.01 | themp | tis is really annoying |
| 12:47.01 | getaceres | it's just that most of the channels are dead (in the sense that nobody answers) and the general kde channel is the most active |
| 12:47.05 | xz | Sho_: i don't have svn sources.. but i probably have kde sources on this gentoo box somewhere. ok |
| 12:47.20 | luciash | themp: i believe you'll find it in kcontrol |
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| 12:47.38 | Sho_ | xz: Instructions on how to retrieve Konversation from SVN are in our Wiki, linked from the Konvi website |
| 12:47.39 | themp | xz the distfiles if you keep them should be pure |
| 12:47.44 | themp | no |
| 12:47.56 | xz | Sho_: ok thanks |
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| 12:48.16 | themp | lucias they must have called it somthing else its not under window behavior or where you set the mouse focus. |
| 12:48.20 | luciash | getaceres: it's very easy in kopete using the wizard |
| 12:49.12 | luciash | themp: maybe advanced settings or under virtual desktops setting |
| 12:49.16 | getaceres | well, it connects, I'm using kopete now, but it does not log in me |
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| 12:49.51 | luciash | log in ? |
| 12:50.23 | themp | behavior ? |
| 12:51.02 | themp | i dont have advaces setting under multiple desktops in this version only number name and mouse wheel over desktop .... blah |
| 12:51.49 | themp | luciash i have google around also |
| 12:52.06 | luciash | themp: mom |
| 12:52.20 | halcyonCorsair | can anyone tell me why the juk tagger just seems to die and go all greyed out sometimes? |
| 12:52.56 | getaceres | Yes, to enter my password so I can send private messages and all of that |
| 12:53.18 | luciash | getaceres: not this way |
| 12:53.33 | luciash | getaceres: password is for private networks |
| 12:54.36 | getaceres | well, but for example, in konversation, I can tell it to automatically login me in freenode with my nick |
| 12:54.54 | luciash | themp: it's under window behaviour, 4th tab |
| 12:55.21 | luciash | getaceres: in kopete you can too |
| 12:55.24 | Sho_ | brrrr ... Kopete IRC *shudders* |
| 12:55.36 | getaceres | that's what I want to do |
| 12:55.42 | getaceres | but I don't know how |
| 12:56.12 | getaceres | I have entered my password in the basic configuration and connection tabs |
| 12:56.46 | Sho_ | getaceres: Kopete is not a dedicated IRC client, its IRC support is flakey at best (IMHO) |
| 12:57.01 | Sho_ | (that said, it rocks for Jabber =) |
| 12:57.38 | getaceres | I use it because I have it open with all my IM accounts (Jabber, MSN and Yahoo), so I don't have to open another program to chat on IRC |
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| 12:58.54 | mike-m | no, it sucks for jabber (maybe not the last version, i didn't try it), but psi is a good client |
| 12:59.24 | MachineScrew | what magic voodoo must I do to get kscd from poping up when I instert an audio cd |
| 12:59.26 | luci | hello |
| 12:59.28 | luci | getaceres: |
| 12:59.37 | luci | now i'm with kopete here |
| 12:59.37 | mike-m | and still i use the gateway with jabber, i don't need a multi-protocol client |
| 12:59.45 | getaceres | luciash: yes? |
| 13:00.01 | luci | getaceres: remove the password from your config |
| 13:00.12 | MachineScrew | any one |
| 13:00.23 | getaceres | in the two tabs? |
| 13:00.27 | luci | getaceres: go to advanced config tab |
| 13:00.47 | getaceres | ok |
| 13:01.05 | luci | getaceres: there's "Run Following Commands ...." |
| 13:01.16 | getaceres | yes |
| 13:01.38 | luci | add /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <yourpass> |
| 13:01.45 | luci | there |
| 13:02.08 | luci | be careful to put it there with no leading space ;) |
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| 13:02.32 | themp | luciash ty |
| 13:02.47 | getaceres | ok |
| 13:02.54 | getaceres | i'm going to reconnect |
| 13:02.57 | chymian | hi, can anyone give me a hint, how to send mails to diff. smtp-servers in Kontact, kde 3.4.x. (deb, sid) |
| 13:03.16 | MachineScrew | is KDE hardcodec to open Kscd on every audio cd instertion |
| 13:03.35 | luci | MachineScrew: nope |
| 13:03.40 | themp | MachineScrew thats a setting |
| 13:03.44 | MachineScrew | where |
| 13:03.49 | MachineScrew | I can't find it |
| 13:03.59 | themp | k3b ? |
| 13:04.01 | MachineScrew | i tell it not to autoplay the cd |
| 13:04.11 | doktoreas | have you read Linux interview about DM? |
| 13:04.14 | themp | in kcontrol ? |
| 13:04.40 | MachineScrew | and still will open up as well as 2 konquer windows opening and the XP like diolog |
| 13:04.40 | doktoreas | *Linus |
| 13:05.15 | MachineScrew | no its not in kcontrol |
| 13:05.20 | MachineScrew | at all |
| 13:05.42 | MachineScrew | its not in the prefrences for kscd eather |
| 13:05.57 | mike-m | doktoreas: have you an url ? |
| 13:06.01 | themp | is that the app that playing it ? |
| 13:06.21 | MachineScrew | no i told it not to play on start |
| 13:06.29 | doktoreas | http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12956 |
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| 13:06.43 | MachineScrew | some guy had the same problem in KDE 3 on RH 7.3 |
| 13:07.04 | getaceres | kopete problem solved |
| 13:07.13 | getaceres | only the konqueror problem remains... |
| 13:07.50 | luciash | getaceres: thank you for letting us know :p |
| 13:08.13 | MachineScrew | i have 64 audio cds to encode and this is very anoying to have to close kscd and close the konquer windows all I want is the options XP like window |
| 13:09.04 | Sho_ | doktoreas: How is that an "interview"? |
| 13:09.20 | MachineScrew | so I am at a loss here |
| 13:09.25 | doktoreas | sorry i mean articles... my poor english |
| 13:09.53 | MachineScrew | and googleing has provided the problem but has always been left unanswered |
| 13:10.08 | MachineScrew | I am using Kubuntu |
| 13:10.11 | Sho_ | doktoreas: sorry, didn't want to give you a hard time about that |
| 13:10.17 | MachineScrew | see this is why KDE sucks |
| 13:10.34 | MachineScrew | (gee I am going to get flamed for that one) |
| 13:10.34 | doktoreas | Np |
| 13:11.27 | Sho_ | MachineScrew: So far you have been unable to articulate your problem in any coherent, understandable manner, otherwise I might have been tempted to help you |
| 13:11.28 | MachineScrew | sorry my fustration but I feel like I am talking in dead space both in #kubuntu and here |
| 13:11.42 | Sho_ | And no, "I want an XP like dialog" does not help |
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| 13:12.12 | MachineScrew | Sho_: short of giving you a screen shot I am not shure what you want me to tell you |
| 13:12.17 | luciash | MachineScrew: only ppl who can't figure things out |
| 13:12.18 | DirkGently | he wants a dialog that asks him what he wants to do |
| 13:12.56 | DirkGently | open in Konqueror/Kscd or k3b I guess |
| 13:13.16 | MachineScrew | I have 2 konquer windows open up the audio cd and I have kscd open up and i have the dialog asking me what to do |
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| 13:13.33 | MachineScrew | i don't need k3b |
| 13:13.42 | Sho_ | MachineScrew: See KControl -> Peripherals -> Storage Media for removable storage handling |
| 13:13.59 | luciash | MachineScrew: go to components -> services and switch off what you don't need |
| 13:14.05 | luciash | in kcontrol |
| 13:14.09 | MachineScrew | Sho_: there |
| 13:14.12 | getaceres | that konqueror bug is worse than I thought |
| 13:14.39 | getaceres | it opens the files but when you save them, once they are open, it downloads the file again! |
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| 13:15.23 | getaceres | well, back to firefox |
| 13:15.38 | getaceres | that time, konqueror remained two days as my only browser |
| 13:15.51 | DirkGently | getaceres: have you reported it? |
| 13:15.51 | getaceres | last time it did't reach one day |
| 13:16.07 | getaceres | I don't know if it's a bug |
| 13:16.10 | MachineScrew | luciash: ok umm i only have media manager and media notifyer |
| 13:16.19 | getaceres | or if I have something misconfigured |
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| 13:16.24 | getaceres | that's why I asked |
| 13:16.25 | luciash | MachineScrew: swicth off media manager |
| 13:16.30 | MachineScrew | but they control more than just audio cds |
| 13:16.37 | getaceres | I want to know it that happens to someone else |
| 13:17.03 | luciash | MachineScrew: no other way i know |
| 13:17.07 | DirkGently | getaceres: what's the problem? |
| 13:17.15 | MachineScrew | aw damit |
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| 13:17.43 | getaceres | I have konqueror configured to open pdf files in a separate viewer, and also, to ask what to do with pdf files |
| 13:17.47 | luciash | MachineScrew: have u checked mime-types ? |
| 13:17.56 | getaceres | but in that direction: http://solutions.konicaminolta.com.au/intranet/tsg/training/um.cfm?b=Di450 |
| 13:18.04 | DirkGently | getaceres: what version KDE? |
| 13:18.09 | getaceres | every pdf file I select is open in a new tab |
| 13:18.10 | getaceres | kde 3.5 |
| 13:18.15 | getaceres | kubuntu version |
| 13:18.30 | MachineScrew | i am going to GNOME screw this shit what kind of idot made it do this with out an easy way to shut it off in GNOME it is very simple |
| 13:18.35 | MachineScrew | C ya |
| 13:18.48 | luciash | MachineScrew: components -> file assoc. -> media -> audiocd |
| 13:19.03 | luciash | fakov |
| 13:19.08 | luciash | :) |
| 13:19.15 | getaceres | in general, I find that konqueror tends to open the files without asking when the link is in the format http://somesite/somescript.php?file=somefile.something |
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| 13:20.15 | getaceres | and that's annoying for a 2MB pdf, but completely innaceptable for a 4GB ISO |
| 13:22.06 | DirkGently | getaceres: have you an example? also, to save me time, how did you configure Konqi? |
| 13:22.41 | getaceres | yes, in that direction: http://solutions.konicaminolta.com.au/intranet/tsg/training/um.cfm?b=Di450 |
| 13:22.47 | getaceres | there are some links to pdf files |
| 13:23.06 | getaceres | on every link I click it opens it directly |
| 13:23.10 | getaceres | it does not ask |
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| 13:23.57 | getaceres | I have configured it through the konqueror preferences menu |
| 13:24.05 | getaceres | in the file association section |
| 13:24.11 | getaceres | and also in the kcontrol module |
| 13:24.21 | getaceres | they have the same configuration for pdf files |
| 13:24.40 | getaceres | also, the application group default action is to open it in a separate viewer |
| 13:25.40 | mebrelith | Hey, whats all that noise about Linux saying KDE rules and the gstuff sucks? |
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| 13:26.18 | ananth126 | linus not linux :) |
| 13:26.47 | mebrelith | typo there |
| 13:26.51 | mebrelith | :) |
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| 13:27.15 | HnZeKtO | mebrelith: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html |
| 13:27.30 | ananth126 | well, if you can trace the threads on the gnome mailing lists, you can get the full details... not that hard to see why.... |
| 13:28.42 | mebrelith | yep reading |
| 13:29.09 | DirkGently | getaceres: firefox behaves the same way |
| 13:29.14 | chymian | again, can anyone give me a hint, how to send mails to diff. smtp-servers in Kontact, kde 3.4.3., kmail 1.8.3 (deb, sid) |
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| 13:30.47 | DirkGently | chymian: you mean have separate smtp accounts? |
| 13:30.56 | mariux | hi, the fix didnt help |
| 13:30.59 | DirkGently | so you can send from different email addresses? |
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| 13:31.16 | getaceres | DirkGently: you're right |
| 13:31.18 | chymian | yep, having 2 or more account, can only connect outgoung to one of them |
| 13:31.36 | getaceres | I was having different behavior due to a firefox extension |
| 13:31.42 | mariux | can someone look up a few pages and see what the nick of the guy that helped my was? |
| 13:31.43 | getaceres | I'll look for the ISO example |
| 13:31.48 | mariux | 7min prob |
| 13:31.53 | DirkGently | chymian: do you have "From" field displayed? |
| 13:32.36 | chymian | no |
| 13:33.08 | DirkGently | chymian: View->From when composing an email |
| 13:33.14 | chymian | just the ident. but that does not link to diff. smtp-serv. |
| 13:34.46 | chymian | does not help |
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| 13:35.12 | DirkGently | mariux: it was PhilRod |
| 13:35.34 | DirkGently | chymian: sorry gtg.. lunch break over |
| 13:35.39 | mariux | i was just going to say wrong channel.. |
| 13:35.50 | chymian | even with the right adr. in from-filed, it is sent to the standard smtp |
| 13:35.53 | chymian | ok |
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| 13:37.58 | pinotree | hello =) |
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| 13:40.11 | getaceres | ok |
| 13:40.16 | getaceres | i've found an example |
| 13:40.20 | getaceres | try this http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/4/i386/iso/ |
| 13:40.28 | getaceres | and try to download an iso |
| 13:40.35 | getaceres | it tries to open it in kate! |
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| 13:44.26 | getaceres | is it a bug or a feature? |
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| 13:47.11 | benJIman | perhaps the mimetype is set wrong |
| 13:47.15 | benJIman | you can right click save as |
| 13:47.29 | getaceres | well, in that case, but that's not the poing |
| 13:47.32 | getaceres | point |
| 13:47.41 | getaceres | konqueror should ask what to do |
| 13:47.43 | StevenR | getaceres: it's either a misconfiguration in your mimetype settings, or the webserver identifying the file a plaintext |
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| 13:48.10 | benJIman | it appears to be identified as plaintext by the server |
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| 13:48.40 | getaceres | well, but in that case, firefox behaves correctly |
| 13:48.49 | getaceres | it asks you what to do |
| 13:48.52 | benJIman | getaceres: eg if you click on them here http://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/mirrors/suse/i386/10.0/iso then they will offer to save |
| 13:49.05 | benJIman | getaceres: no konqueror behaves correctly, firefox ignores the type of the file |
| 13:49.10 | StevenR | getaceres: konqueror also asks you what to do |
| 13:49.21 | getaceres | for suse, yes, for fedora, no |
| 13:49.27 | getaceres | at least for me |
| 13:49.35 | benJIman | getaceres: no it's the server mididentifying it as plain text |
| 13:49.58 | benJIman | getaceres: eg fedora here http://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/mirrors/Fedora/4/i386/iso/ |
| 13:50.41 | benJIman | it depends how the server is set up |
| 13:52.02 | getaceres | but I think that konqueror should see that this is an ISO, just like firefox does, and apply the ISO rule |
| 13:52.15 | getaceres | that's the problem with a misconfigured server with a php script |
| 13:52.30 | getaceres | in that case, you cannot save it right clicking |
| 13:53.03 | benJIman | you usually can, but will have to put the correct filename in yourself |
| 13:53.29 | benJIman | konqueror will check the type of the file and do the appropriate thing, I suspect how fedora server is set up will cause problems for IE too |
| 13:54.04 | getaceres | if you right click on a php link, it offers to save the php page, not the link |
| 13:54.23 | getaceres | also it's not possible to do that if the link is provided by javascript |
| 13:54.31 | benJIman | it puts the php page as the filename, but depending on how the server is setup it often actually saves the content |
| 13:54.37 | benJIman | it depends though |
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| 13:56.10 | spike | hi there |
| 13:56.43 | spike | does anybody know if konqueror has support for del.icio.us? |
| 13:57.04 | pinotree | spike: yes, with kdeaddons 3.54 |
| 13:57.08 | pinotree | 3.5* |
| 13:57.09 | spike | I can't locate it, and its bookmarkmanger, uhm, is just wrong :/ |
| 13:57.19 | spike | ah, damn, should get it then... running 3.4 |
| 13:57.25 | spike | tnx for pointing that out |
| 13:57.31 | pinotree | np |
| 14:00.08 | spike | pinotree: can u confirm u cant get the bookmark manager as a tab, and that u can't sort out folders before links? |
| 14:00.40 | pinotree | boomark manager? |
| 14:00.59 | spike | pinotree: yeah, in konqueror browser, when u click on "edit bookmarks" |
| 14:01.10 | spike | u get a window, where u have all the booksmark, can edit 'em, add folders, etc |
| 14:01.32 | pinotree | it's a separate application |
| 14:01.41 | spike | ok |
| 14:02.16 | annma | spike: well make a design and propose it as a wish via bugzilla |
| 14:02.16 | Chryseus | "Torvalds: 'Use KDE'" \o/ |
| 14:02.21 | pinotree | spike: and no, it seems the sorting sorts directories first |
| 14:02.24 | annma | with a mockup, spike |
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| 14:06.28 | exclude | hmm. probably old news by now, but read this? http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html |
| 14:07.16 | spike | indeed |
| 14:07.54 | Sho_ | yeah, old news |
| 14:09.10 | spike | as a long time fluxbox fan, I guess I have some objectiveness when saying I totally agree on that: gnome design, even if not compared to kde one, is totally insane |
| 14:09.27 | spike | and I can't believe Suse decided to switch to it as a default desktop |
| 14:09.35 | Sho_ | they haven't. |
| 14:09.37 | benJIman | spike: they havn't |
| 14:09.40 | spike | not sure they actually did it, just heard the news a while ago |
| 14:09.41 | benJIman | that's FUD |
| 14:09.42 | spike | oh, cool |
| 14:09.45 | spike | I c |
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| 14:23.24 | phpdancer | hi all is there a kde font viewer ? |
| 14:23.38 | oGALAXYo | yes |
| 14:23.51 | peppelorum | Anyone knows if Lipstik got a home of itäs own (not just kde-look), didn't download the latest version |
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| 14:26.14 | yakbos | peppelorum, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kde-style-lipstik/kde-style-lipstik_2.1.orig.tar.gz |
| 14:26.56 | yakbos | phpdancer, kfontview |
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| 14:27.26 | peppelorum | yakbos: Sweet, even newer than my own package=) |
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| 14:27.41 | lypanov | anyone has a choice jabber client for kde? (other than kopete) |
| 14:32.11 | trym | /topic # |
| 14:32.12 | trym | err |
| 14:33.03 | pinotree | hey lypanov, don't you like kopete? ;) |
| 14:33.33 | lypanov | pinotree: not really :P |
| 14:35.28 | annma | trym: you cannot change the topic |
| 14:36.08 | HnZeKtO | peppelorum: http://www.carrosses.com/peratu/rpm/ |
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| 14:36.34 | trym | annma: I wasnt trying to |
| 14:37.29 | wiza | I'm running kubuntu w/ kde 3.5 and kwallet is not working with disconnected imap on kmail or http authentication in konqueror anymore |
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| 14:39.58 | wiza | disconnected imap remembers login but password is empty and on http authentication it can't remember username or password |
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| 14:40.45 | wiza | I have store IMAP password checked on all accounts on kmail and also keep password is checked on those dialogs but apparently wih no effect |
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| 14:41.14 | wiza | it still works with normal imap type accounts, just not with disconnected imap |
| 14:41.47 | wiza | anyone else having same problem? |
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| 14:49.18 | Oleg_ | aseigo: Hi. I see there is an error in the latest svn: |
| 14:49.34 | Oleg_ | aseigo: ./kicker/taskbar/taskbar.cpp:230: error: no matching function for call to ‘TaskManager::trackGeometry(bool&)’ |
| 14:50.19 | annma | Oleg_: there's a patch onthe mailing list |
| 14:50.59 | Oleg_ | annma: this patch will be included in svn today or tomorrow? |
| 14:51.14 | annma | probably |
| 14:51.29 | annma | you can apply it locally and test it and answer the list that it works |
| 14:51.35 | Oleg_ | annma: ok. How are you today? |
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| 14:51.43 | Oleg_ | annma: ok, I'll apply it |
| 14:51.55 | annma | I did not build kdebase yet |
| 14:53.02 | Oleg_ | annma: what brings you here during such an early morning? |
| 14:53.25 | annma | I am working on koffice and I needed a test |
| 14:53.35 | Oleg_ | I see |
| 14:54.33 | annma | the patch is a 1 liner |
| 14:55.32 | sredna | Hi * |
| 14:55.37 | sredna | Go read /. |
| 14:55.38 | sredna | ;) |
| 14:55.41 | pinotree | hey sredna =) |
| 14:56.00 | sredna | This 'users are idiots, and are confused by functionality' mentality of Gnome is a disease. If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will use it. |
| 14:56.09 | sredna | </quote> |
| 14:56.15 | Sho_ | old news |
| 14:56.20 | sredna | Yes |
| 14:56.36 | sredna | Now, make sure our usability people reads it |
| 14:56.39 | Sho_ | nothing's older than the flame war of the last hour |
| 14:56.49 | sredna | He |
| 14:56.51 | Sho_ | because linus is a usability expert? ;) |
| 14:57.11 | sredna | I just happen to agree |
| 14:57.21 | Sho_ | so do I |
| 14:57.34 | Sho_ | I already wanked and gloated earlier for a few minutes |
| 14:57.39 | Sho_ | now it's time to move on and do the work :) |
| 14:57.47 | sredna | Not about gnome, I haven't used it for years, but about KDE - I mean it's important that we keep functionality and configurability :) |
| 14:58.36 | koala_man | http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~vidarhol/gnome3.png |
| 14:59.44 | yakbos | koala_man, eek!! is that microsoft.... BOB?? |
| 14:59.53 | Sho_ | yep |
| 14:59.59 | sredna | Lol |
| 15:00.03 | annma | koala_man: this is for 2 years old |
| 15:00.37 | Oleg_ | annma: okay, I am gonna wait until it's committed to svn |
| 15:00.47 | annma | you cannot apply it? |
| 15:00.50 | oGALAXYo | koala_man: haha |
| 15:01.06 | annma | patch -i <filename> Oleg_ |
| 15:01.42 | Oleg_ | annma: thanks, but I'll wait till it comes to svn |
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| 15:02.01 | wmk | hi |
| 15:02.04 | annma | Oleg_: bah, you miss all the fun |
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| 15:02.31 | koala_man | annma: bob was meant as a shell for new users of all ages. it includes stuff for balancing checkbooks for instance |
| 15:02.40 | wmk | i just wonder if there is a parameter for k3b to burn e.g. 5 cds at once, so i don't have to click "burn" for every copy of the cd |
| 15:03.04 | Oleg_ | annma: I know it's tempting, but it's just that it feels cool to wait a couple of hours or more before it comes to svn by itself |
| 15:03.42 | annma | so you don't want to help kde |
| 15:03.59 | Oleg_ | annma: I do wanna help |
| 15:04.27 | annma | if you're not able to apply a patch and add a comment that it indeed fixes for you then no, you don't |
| 15:04.56 | Oleg_ | ok, I'll apply it, but I can't find it in the mailing list so far |
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| 15:06.03 | Sho_ | lets see if MS Bob runs on Wine ;) |
| 15:06.08 | Oleg_ | and if I apply it, will the file get updated fine next time I run svn up? |
| 15:06.20 | annma | Oleg_: of course it'll be merged |
| 15:06.28 | annma | that's svn purpose |
| 15:06.29 | Oleg_ | I just feel too uncomfortable with it |
| 15:06.38 | annma | well you're not up to it |
| 15:07.18 | annma | that's what devel is about |
| 15:07.31 | annma | patching locall, merging, testing |
| 15:07.58 | annma | I have to go anyway, Xmas presents to buy |
| 15:08.25 | Oleg_ | annma: see ya soon! |
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| 15:16.08 | mattepiu | anyone knows in which file/directory are the kmenu entries memorized? |
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| 15:20.57 | sredna | mattepiu: KDEDIR/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications |
| 15:21.34 | mattepiu | sredna: thank you very much |
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| 15:21.45 | sredna | mattepiu: Or use kde-config: Kde-config --path apps |
| 15:22.01 | mattepiu | thanks |
| 15:22.04 | Sho_ | small k, though |
| 15:22.13 | sredna | And kde-config --path xdgdata-apps |
| 15:22.41 | sredna | My silly capitalization script |
| 15:22.54 | sredna | It must have some error, maybe a missing dash in the regex |
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| 15:23.22 | sredna | This should work: kdeconfig --option value |
| 15:23.38 | mattepiu | sredna: wow, since you knows it much, how do I add a voice in the menu from a script? I have the .desktop file, just need to add in kmenu |
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| 15:24.31 | sredna | mattepiu: Place the .desktop file in the correct location |
| 15:24.45 | sredna | Kde should pick up automatically |
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| 15:25.59 | mattepiu | sredna: correct location is the result of kde-config --path apps (~/.kde/share/applnk in my case)? |
| 15:26.00 | sredna | test: Kde-config --types |
| 15:26.18 | sredna | mattepiu: Yes, that should work |
| 15:27.11 | Cenuij | i just finished reading that thread on OSDL desktop architects list |
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| 15:28.49 | mattepiu | sredna: thank you very much |
| 15:28.57 | sredna | Np :) |
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| 15:31.14 | sredna | test: Kde-config --types |
| 15:31.17 | sredna | Mumble |
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| 15:37.50 | cee | what kind of editor can edit .ui files for kde development? |
| 15:38.37 | CHodapp | Hrm, so Linus just laid the smackdown on the GNOME list... |
| 15:39.05 | benJIman | I thought it was on the desktop architects list CHodapp |
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| 15:41.57 | CHodapp | Maybe so... |
| 15:42.00 | CHodapp | but his opinion stands |
| 15:42.17 | benJIman | we allready knew he prefered kde to gnome |
| 15:42.42 | benJIman | his opinion doesn't change anything anyway |
| 15:42.51 | CHodapp | Eh, but now people might believe me more when I told them that GNOME's file dialog sucks. |
| 15:43.03 | benJIman | just looking at it is believing |
| 15:43.12 | CHodapp | What? |
| 15:43.12 | pinotree | cee: editor? there's qt-designer that handle those files |
| 15:43.28 | mattepiu | cee: designer (qt-designer) can, I found inside Qt |
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| 15:45.12 | Sho_ | CHodapp: Not sure Linus has any credibility as UI designer ;) |
| 15:45.19 | CHodapp | benJIman: some people take the "I don't see what's wrong with them, they suck just as much in any other interface" |
| 15:46.18 | CHodapp | Sho_: he's not putting his opinions as a UI designer, he was putting them more as a user totally dissatisfied with what he couldn't do |
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| 15:46.46 | Sho_ | CHodapp: And so do many KDE users in *here*, every day |
| 15:47.14 | benJIman | no interface is perfect |
| 15:48.25 | CHodapp | No, but the GNOME file dialogs are a complete pain in the ass. |
| 15:49.05 | CHodapp | "Imperfect" and "Riddled with intentionally inserted things that shouldn't be there" are quite different. |
| 15:49.29 | cpw | lordy what an interesting way to wakeup :P |
| 15:49.40 | CHodapp | benJIman: NO YOU IDIOT COKE IS BETTER |
| 15:49.49 | CHodapp | Sho_: THAT'S WHAT YOUR MOTHER SAID LAST NIGHT |
| 15:49.52 | CHodapp | oh...wrong channel |
| 15:49.55 | lypanov | lol |
| 15:49.58 | benJIman | lol |
| 15:50.07 | pinotree | CHodapp: please, calm down |
| 15:50.23 | CHodapp | I'm perfectly calm, sometimes I just want to SCREAM at people who try to tell me that Pepsi is better. |
| 15:50.30 | CHodapp | I mean, seriously, come on. |
| 15:50.31 | lypanov | things to say to a axe murdered "please. come down. put that axe down please sir" |
| 15:50.42 | lypanov | s/ed/er/ |
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| 15:51.20 | cpw | but if you say it while you have a gun it's somewhat effective :P |
| 15:51.27 | lypanov | good point |
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| 15:52.16 | Sho_ | Pepsi *is* better |
| 15:52.19 | lypanov | yup |
| 15:52.20 | horseygurl | No, COke. |
| 15:52.22 | lypanov | pepsi IS better |
| 15:52.23 | horseygurl | Honestly. |
| 15:52.26 | lypanov | as are the irish |
| 15:52.28 | lypanov | stupid scottish |
| 15:52.32 | horseygurl | Oh, fuck off. |
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| 15:52.39 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 15:52.45 | DaBlade | Is kde-look.org down? |
| 15:52.54 | horseygurl | Seeing as how you're dating me, and I'm a Scot, lypanov.. |
| 15:52.56 | DaBlade | oops |
| 15:52.59 | sredna | DaBlade: ^ /topic |
| 15:53.00 | DaBlade | Now I just noticed the topic |
| 15:53.03 | lypanov | horseygurl: BAH |
| 15:53.09 | DaBlade | sredna: Yeah. Just saw it. |
| 15:53.17 | CHodapp | oh gn0, social drama in the KDE channel |
| 15:53.39 | horseygurl | We ARE social drama. |
| 15:54.09 | CHodapp | I think I'll just go back to GNOME. |
| 15:54.24 | horseygurl | oh, god no. |
| 15:54.55 | CHodapp | Ok. Fine. |
| 15:55.18 | Sho_ | yeah, gnome for coke fans. we use pepsi. |
| 15:55.24 | DaBlade | Oh sh!t no, CHodapp |
| 15:55.31 | horseygurl | I love how I can persuade and ply KDE folk. |
| 15:55.43 | CHodapp | Coke has more flavor. |
| 15:55.45 | horseygurl | Dude, no. I have family in Atlanta.. |
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| 15:55.50 | horseygurl | Fresh Coke is the best. |
| 15:55.57 | DaBlade | Neither taste good |
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| 15:56.01 | DaBlade | I say apple juice. |
| 15:56.07 | CHodapp | Usually I just drink water. |
| 15:56.11 | horseygurl | Orange juice. |
| 15:56.13 | DaBlade | Or sparkling water. |
| 15:56.16 | horseygurl | Mmm. |
| 15:56.19 | horseygurl | Water. |
| 15:56.20 | CHodapp | I also bought something like 100 cans of soda at work for about $0.10 per can. |
| 15:56.27 | ananth126 | kaffeine is the best... oops.. i mean caffeine |
| 15:56.29 | horseygurl | Ha. |
| 15:56.34 | DaBlade | Sparkling water, especially Oaza brand tastes excellent |
| 15:56.43 | Sho_ | ananth126: bah! kmplayer > kaffeine :) |
| 15:56.45 | PhilRod | how can the discussion have gone this far without mention of coffee, the elixir of life? |
| 15:56.52 | horseygurl | COFFEE |
| 15:56.57 | horseygurl | chai. |
| 15:56.57 | DaBlade | Xine > Kaffeine and KMplayer |
| 15:57.06 | Sho_ | eww, xine |
| 15:57.14 | DaBlade | Coffee >.< |
| 15:57.18 | CHodapp | I don't need caffeine.... it makes me sleep, actually. |
| 15:57.23 | ananth126 | exactly Sho_ !!! |
| 15:57.27 | DaBlade | Ditto, CHodapp |
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| 15:57.40 | DaBlade | Xine > All |
| 15:57.45 | horseygurl | Inverse reactant freaks. |
| 15:57.51 | Sho_ | CHodapp: Inverse reactions like falling asleep from caffeine might explain why you prefer Coke! |
| 15:57.52 | DaBlade | lol |
| 15:58.00 | horseygurl | 'course, I do the same with sedatives. |
| 15:58.03 | DaBlade | Actually, I'm expressing my genuine views. :P |
| 15:58.10 | Sho_ | CHodapp: I'm sure it's treatable. You too can be a happy Pepsi drinker. |
| 15:58.15 | horseygurl | They make me act like I've just gotten off the coffee IV. |
| 15:58.17 | CHodapp | Sho_: Don't most of these drinks have caffeine anyway? |
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| 16:04.57 | jimbo | hi |
| 16:04.58 | jimbo | how to turn khotkeys off? |
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| 16:05.37 | cpw | go to kontrol, accessibility, khotkeys |
| 16:05.49 | cpw | should be an option to turn it off |
| 16:06.40 | cpw | ugh, 7 second lag |
| 16:08.36 | cpw | yah, it's under the General Settings tab |
| 16:09.17 | jimbo | where? i'm using a german kde :) |
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| 16:10.40 | esavior | hello hello |
| 16:11.18 | CHodapp | greetings |
| 16:12.21 | jimbo | cpw, could you just name the option to turn it off? |
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| 16:13.05 | cpw | uh.. "Disable KHotKeys Daemon"... |
| 16:13.19 | jimbo | hmm that translation suck :/ |
| 16:14.01 | cpw | file a bug :P? |
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| 16:15.03 | jimbo | i just hate this ugly grey volume window which pops up, when i adjust the volume with my multimediakeys |
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| 16:20.15 | Julianyus | hi |
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| 16:25.02 | mariux | can someone confirm for me that shift+backspace in kate doesnt remove text? |
| 16:25.36 | esavior | nope |
| 16:25.41 | esavior | is it supposed to? |
| 16:25.45 | mariux | why not? |
| 16:25.54 | mariux | every other app does that |
| 16:25.55 | Julianyus | here shift+backspace seems to do nothing |
| 16:26.13 | mariux | thats really anoying if you write something in uppercase |
| 16:26.21 | mariux | i think ill sumbit a bugreport |
| 16:26.29 | mariux | *submit |
| 16:26.32 | esavior | good idea |
| 16:27.06 | mariux | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56629 |
| 16:27.10 | mariux | it seems its back |
| 16:27.51 | mariux | should i comment on that one or open a new one? |
| 16:28.11 | esavior | comment |
| 16:28.20 | esavior | if you open a new one it will prolly get marked as dup |
| 16:28.35 | esavior | but it says its fixed already |
| 16:28.55 | mariux | maybe it broke again |
| 16:29.01 | mariux | seems it was fixed around 3.1 yes |
| 16:29.11 | esavior | haha yea. |
| 16:29.12 | esavior | wow |
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| 16:30.15 | esavior | did everyone see on slashdot that linus recommends KDE :D |
| 16:30.20 | mariux | i know :) |
| 16:30.49 | oGALAXYo | its not just on /. |
| 16:31.01 | esavior | I used gnome till 3.5, but kde3.5 owns my soul >:) |
| 16:31.08 | oGALAXYo | its everywhere now... golem.de, heise.de, pro-linux.de, osnews.com, linuxtoday.com, slashdot.org etc. |
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| 16:31.14 | oGALAXYo | there is no gnome 3.5 |
| 16:31.20 | esavior | ... |
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| 16:31.32 | esavior | I mean till kde 3.5 came out |
| 16:31.38 | oGALAXYo | ahh |
| 16:31.42 | mariux | kde has so much stuff that i cant live without, like kioslaves |
| 16:31.52 | mariux | and i simply love konqueror |
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| 16:32.15 | SMiLeaf | LMAO --> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=12956 |
| 16:32.23 | esavior | yea konqs my main browser now. Its very nifty, I remember it used to have some issues with standards but it seems to do great now |
| 16:32.32 | SMiLeaf | "Linus is a geek and a kernel developer - he is not an end user and I really think he needs to sit back and re-evaluate the world of free software" |
| 16:32.42 | mariux | have you seen the ctrl access keys? |
| 16:32.48 | SMiLeaf | "he is not an end user" <-- he's not?.. |
| 16:32.54 | esavior | lol |
| 16:32.59 | mariux | great on a laptop when you dont have your mouse with you |
| 16:33.17 | esavior | yea I saw the ctrl keys, very cool |
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| 16:34.13 | esavior | people get too defensive about this kind of thing. I have used so many different wm/desktops over the years. they are all good for different reasons |
| 16:34.15 | wiza | only thing I need that is missing in konqueror is that it can't remember multiple logins |
| 16:34.25 | mariux | ahh, no |
| 16:34.28 | esavior | and if someone prefers one over the others, its not the end of the world |
| 16:34.35 | Sho_ | wiza: It can do so just fine? |
| 16:34.36 | wiza | and since I do web software I need to test with different roles |
| 16:35.10 | wiza | I use only konqueror though, mozilla is too slow |
| 16:35.21 | mariux | same here |
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| 16:35.37 | mariux | on windows i use opera but in linux i simply prefer konqueror |
| 16:35.40 | esavior | only thing I miss from firefox is the back forward caching from 1.5 :( |
| 16:35.55 | esavior | I hope kde adds that in the next version |
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| 16:36.10 | mariux | submit a feature-request |
| 16:36.22 | wiza | I use opera on my phone |
| 16:36.31 | mariux | though the next version isnt untill end of 2006 |
| 16:36.36 | esavior | lol |
| 16:37.16 | wiza | anyone else having problems with kwallet and kmail using disconnected imap |
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| 16:39.16 | esavior | I see someone has already opened the bug http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112555 |
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| 16:40.19 | Bille | PhilRod: ping |
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| 16:43.30 | PhilRod | Bille: pong |
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| 16:44.23 | Bille | PhilRod: hi, got a bit of a i18n stress here. Can you answer me a couple of questions about how to get bootstrap an app for i18n? |
| 16:44.50 | Bille | specifically, given foo.pot, do we manually copy them to $LANG/foo.po? |
| 16:45.06 | mariux | how can i get mplayerplug-in to work in konqueror? |
| 16:45.15 | oGALAXYo | mariux: use kmplayer |
| 16:45.24 | oGALAXYo | mariux: it embedds mplayer in konqueror |
| 16:46.07 | mariux | i totally hate it when kmplayer takes control over mplayer |
| 16:46.16 | mariux | and gived me a gui when playing regular videos |
| 16:46.37 | mariux | even when starting mplayer (not kmplayer) |
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| 16:47.20 | mariux | on kubuntu it seems kde automatically made it use the kde ui when running mplayer |
| 16:47.36 | mariux | so i had to make a symlink to mplayer called xmplayer |
| 16:47.43 | mariux | and when running that it didnt add it |
| 16:47.50 | PhilRod | Bille: hrm, I'm not very familiar with the i18n tools. Let me see if I can find someone who is |
| 16:48.27 | Bille | hi pinotree. |
| 16:48.35 | pinotree | hey Bille |
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| 16:49.29 | Bille | pinotree: scenario is, I have a new app I need to get .po files for. Is it a manual copy of the pot files to .po, or is there some automake magic I can use for that? |
| 16:49.29 | pinotree | Bille: what's the issue? |
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| 16:51.08 | pinotree | i think you can copy the .po in $app_prefix/share/locale/<language>/LC_MESSAGES/<appname>.po |
| 16:51.53 | pinotree | is it a kde app? |
| 16:52.16 | Bille | pinotree: yes. atm I don't have .po files. make package-messages created a .pot though. |
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| 16:53.11 | pinotree | do you have the base files of kde-i18n-<that_language> ? |
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| 16:54.25 | knoppix | Hi does KDE have a default program to set an IP for your network card, and to set gateway, nameserver, etc? I've gone to control center -> internet and network, but there's nothing there... :( |
| 16:54.26 | Bille | pinotree: not as yet. Have i understood the faq correctly, an app's pot file is copied to <language>/app.po and from there it is edited by the i18n team? |
| 16:54.51 | Bille | knoppix: that's distribution specific. |
| 16:55.02 | Bille | knoppix: in SUSE it would be yast. |
| 16:55.41 | pinotree | Bille: i don't understand; do you mean when translated by the kde i18n teams or installed locally on your pc? |
| 16:55.43 | knoppix | Oh... I wonder why KDE doesn't have something for that. It seems to have something for everything else.. hm... |
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| 16:56.50 | Q-collective | where in konsole can I set the option I want a 10 000 line scrollback? |
| 16:56.57 | Q-collective | can't find where to set it |
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| 16:57.02 | Bille | pinotree: when translated by the i18n teams. It's a new kde app; i've just imported it into a KDE automake build system |
| 16:57.12 | PhilRod | Q-collective: settings->hostory |
| 16:57.12 | Bille | Q-collective: Settings->History |
| 16:57.14 | PhilRod | history* |
| 16:57.18 | Q-collective | thx :) |
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| 16:57.26 | Bille | or herstory, depending on your viewpoint ;) |
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| 16:57.41 | Sho_ | Q-collective: Settings -> History |
| 16:57.54 | pinotree | knoppix: kde 3.5 has a kconttrol module to do that |
| 16:57.55 | Q-collective | thank you ^_^ |
| 16:58.02 | pinotree | Bille: ah |
| 16:58.28 | pinotree | Bille: where is you app located in kde svn? |
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| 17:01.52 | Bille | pinotree: it's not in svn yet. it's just a kdevelop template locally as yet |
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| 17:02.08 | pinotree | Bille: the new pot (the one created by scripty) will be located in trunk/l10n/templates/<module>/<appname>.pot |
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| 17:02.45 | kaeptnb | hihi Linus Torvalds recommends KDE :) |
| 17:02.45 | Bille | pinotree: ah, so the intelligence to do that is in scripty, not in the automake tool chain? |
| 17:03.00 | pinotree | Bille: exactly |
| 17:03.22 | Bille | pinotree: thanks, you've saved me any further pointless grepping |
| 17:03.33 | pinotree | Bille: in the Makefile.am you use $podir (or somthing like that) as output directory for pot |
| 17:03.57 | pinotree | and scripty basically will define that var accordingly to any application |
| 17:04.16 | Bille | pinotree: ok, I can work with that. cheers |
| 17:04.17 | cshields | greets! Is there a special thing I have to do to set panels such that when I maximize a window it will not stretch behind the panel? At home it works fine, but here at work it's not (KDE 3.5 both places) |
| 17:04.42 | pinotree | Bille: np ;) (psss... i missed your talk at akademy... :( ) |
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| 17:05.09 | Bille | pinotree: I'll give you a personal abridged version at the next one |
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| 17:05.17 | pinotree | \o/ |
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| 17:06.10 | frb | is there a way to force a full redraw of konsole? |
| 17:06.29 | pinotree | iconify and restore? |
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| 17:08.36 | Bille | frb: depends, if some app (eg tail) has barfed all over your vim session, iconify and restore will just repaint the same mess. |
| 17:09.18 | frb | for me it's mutt |
| 17:09.37 | frb | I need to use it because the spam kills squirrel's parsing |
| 17:09.51 | Bille | frb: then I would check mutt's keybindings, ctrl-L refreshes in a good few terminal apps |
| 17:10.03 | frb | it's after I exit mutt though |
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| 17:10.32 | frb | covering the window and then unhiding it usuallt works, but I was hoping for a hard refresh like xterm has |
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| 17:14.39 | DaBlade | Is it possible to make the print screen key take screenshots? |
| 17:14.45 | DaBlade | Or at least start KSnapShot |
| 17:15.03 | benJIman | yes |
| 17:15.12 | benJIman | I think it's control+printscr by default DaBlade |
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| 17:15.20 | DaBlade | That works? |
| 17:15.35 | DaBlade | nope, it doesn't |
| 17:15.42 | benJIman | control+print does desktop screenshot to clipboard |
| 17:15.52 | benJIman | alt+print does screenshot of active window |
| 17:15.54 | DaBlade | oh, so it does |
| 17:15.59 | DaBlade | But there's a problem |
| 17:16.06 | DaBlade | I want it to print it to a file automatically |
| 17:16.09 | benJIman | you can rebind in kcontrol -> regional & accessability -> keyboard shortcuts |
| 17:16.25 | DaBlade | can I make it take a screenie _and_ make it save it? |
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| 17:16.43 | cshields | ahhh.. it works correctly if my panels are on the outside edges, but not on the inside edges (xinerama) |
| 17:16.47 | cshields | hrmmm |
| 17:17.22 | benJIman | DaBlade: you could bind a keyboard shortcut to do it perhaps |
| 17:17.39 | DaBlade | Start KSnapShot yes, but automatically capture and save? |
| 17:18.13 | benJIman | use khotkeys to assign printscreen to run "import -window root -display 0:0 filename.pcx" perhaps? |
| 17:18.32 | DaBlade | can I use it for jpg |
| 17:18.36 | benJIman | I think so |
| 17:18.41 | benJIman | just :0 normally not 0:0 actually |
| 17:18.53 | benJIman | png looks far better than jpgs for screenshots btw |
| 17:19.17 | DaBlade | yeah |
| 17:19.20 | DaBlade | but they take more space |
| 17:19.36 | DaBlade | which, with my screen resolution, imageshack doesn't like |
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| 17:19.53 | benJIman | you can desample them automatically, some kde developer had a script todo that |
| 17:20.06 | Bille | pinotree: cheers, sorted now. |
| 17:20.10 | DaBlade | ? |
| 17:20.12 | pinotree | np |
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| 17:21.40 | benJIman | DaBlade: you could anyhow just run the image through imagemagic to reduce the size |
| 17:21.48 | benJIman | have a look at man convert |
| 17:21.54 | benJIman | you could have the printscreen button do that too |
| 17:21.55 | DaBlade | I don't wanna resize it. :P |
| 17:22.05 | DaBlade | I think I'll just make ksnapshot start. |
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| 17:22.40 | benJIman | the command I gave you works with jpgs... |
| 17:22.52 | benJIman | import -window root -display :0 filename.jpg |
| 17:23.05 | DaBlade | yeah, but does it have poor compression quality? |
| 17:23.07 | DaBlade | Or.. ? |
| 17:23.29 | benJIman | if you want to fine tune it you can use imagemagic |
| 17:23.41 | DaBlade | how? |
| 17:23.47 | DaBlade | I'm sorta a newb... lol |
| 17:23.52 | benJIman | man convert |
| 17:24.31 | DaBlade | ok.. |
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| 17:24.44 | anabain | how can I stop artsd? |
| 17:24.46 | mattepiu | you can also check imagemagick homepage -> command line tools |
| 17:24.47 | DaBlade | Also, how do I make the winkey show the KDE Launch menu? |
| 17:25.03 | pinotree | anabain: killall -9 artsd |
| 17:25.17 | DaBlade | anabain: killall artsd, and kcontrol>sounds system>enable the kde sound system (uncheck) |
| 17:25.25 | grepper | DaBlade: it is probably set up as a modifier key right now |
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| 17:25.39 | DaBlade | grepper: Define modifier key. lol |
| 17:25.51 | grepper | like alt +something |
| 17:25.57 | DaBlade | right, it is |
| 17:25.59 | anabain | in fact I want to use jack system and disable artsd |
| 17:26.02 | DaBlade | I want it to *just* be winkey |
| 17:26.07 | mattepiu | DaBlade: control center -> regional & .. -> keyboard shortcuts |
| 17:26.20 | DaBlade | mattepiu: Yeah, but it won't accept it as just winkey |
| 17:26.25 | DaBlade | it wants winkey + something else |
| 17:27.15 | mattepiu | DaBlade: even removing win key from modifier keys? |
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| 17:27.23 | DaBlade | oh... lol |
| 17:27.26 | DaBlade | dumbass me. |
| 17:27.27 | grepper | heh |
| 17:27.55 | DaBlade | err...how do I remove them? |
| 17:28.02 | DaBlade | I can't see the option in Modifier Keys |
| 17:28.29 | mattepiu | DaBlade: no, I don't know that, I was supposing but I don't know even if you can do in the GUI |
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| 17:28.55 | DaBlade | ok.. |
| 17:29.28 | mattepiu | DaBlade: however you can use the key right to the right winkey that way, if you have |
| 17:29.46 | grepper | DaBlade: a workaround might be to use xmodmap to map it to something like F30 |
| 17:29.58 | DaBlade | okay... :/ |
| 17:30.40 | mattepiu | DaBlade: I use menu key (right of my right winkey) to achieve that.... |
| 17:31.03 | DaBlade | But I want the winkeys. They're just sitting there, doing nothing.. |
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| 17:31.15 | DaBlade | grepper: xmodmap shows the same things as kcontrol |
| 17:31.19 | DaBlade | but doesn't let me edit |
| 17:31.43 | DaBlade | mod4 Super_L (0x7f), Hyper_L (0x80) |
| 17:31.52 | DaBlade | ^ what xmodmap says the winkeys are |
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| 17:31.57 | benJIman | you can use xmodmap to edit it |
| 17:31.59 | Bille | DaBlade, grepper, mattepiu |
| 17:32.04 | Bille | go to keyboard layouts |
| 17:32.09 | DaBlade | Okay... |
| 17:32.12 | Bille | xkb options |
| 17:32.25 | DaBlade | k |
| 17:32.38 | Bille | scroll to third level choosers, tick Press any of win-keys to choose 3rd level |
| 17:32.42 | grepper | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.43 | Bille | click apply |
| 17:33.02 | grepper | or Bille 's method if that works, then you don't need this workaround |
| 17:33.09 | Bille | then you should be able to use the win key as Popup panel menu |
| 17:33.18 | DaBlade | third level choosers? |
| 17:33.23 | Bille | that's it |
| 17:33.30 | Bille | don't ask me where the name comes from. |
| 17:33.34 | grepper | checking with xev 1st to make sure it *is* 115 |
| 17:33.36 | DaBlade | Ok.. |
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| 17:33.58 | mattepiu | Bille: thanks |
| 17:35.00 | DaBlade | setxkbmap -option lv3:lwin_switch |
| 17:35.02 | DaBlade | ? |
| 17:35.49 | Bille | DaBlade: that's what the control center is carrying out behind your back. you don't need to do anything with it |
| 17:36.02 | DaBlade | Okay... |
| 17:36.14 | DaBlade | So now I can set winkeys to launch? |
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| 17:36.54 | Bille | DaBlade: yes, now when you press it it registers as "ISO_Level3_Shift" instead of Win+ |
| 17:36.59 | DaBlade | yeah |
| 17:37.08 | DaBlade | but the menu isnt't opening |
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| 17:38.20 | DaBlade | Bille? |
| 17:38.43 | Bille | DaBlade: did you click Apply in the shortcuts config? |
| 17:38.48 | DaBlade | of course |
| 17:39.05 | cbr | can i rearrange groups in kopete? |
| 17:39.12 | DaBlade | hold on, I'll take screenshots of it all to make sure I haven't done anything wrong |
| 17:39.14 | Bille | cbr: no, not yet |
| 17:39.22 | cbr | :( |
| 17:39.27 | cbr | it's kinda trivial though ;) |
| 17:40.03 | pinotree | cbr: Bille will glad to accept any patch from you, if it's trivial ;) |
| 17:40.08 | Bille | cbr: agreed, but that bit of the code is a horror |
| 17:40.34 | DaBlade | Bille: |
| 17:40.34 | cbr | pinotree: i was referring to the feature itself, not the coding ;) |
| 17:40.35 | DaBlade | http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4725/snapshot1133iw.jpg |
| 17:40.42 | DaBlade | http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3475/snapshot1149ox.jpg |
| 17:41.33 | DaBlade | I tried with only the left, only the right and both |
| 17:41.37 | DaBlade | Not working. |
| 17:42.05 | oGALAXYo | DaBlade: what kde version is that ? |
| 17:42.09 | DaBlade | 3.4 |
| 17:42.33 | cbr | is kopete released only with kde releases? |
| 17:42.34 | oGALAXYo | ah ok.. well its quite old |
| 17:42.46 | DaBlade | I know |
| 17:42.47 | benJIman | cbr: not necessarily no |
| 17:42.53 | Bille | DaBlade: I guess something else is grabbing the key. are any other shortcuts defined to use it? |
| 17:42.54 | DaBlade | But the debian-kde guys are slower than snails |
| 17:43.04 | DaBlade | Billie: I'll look |
| 17:43.15 | cbr | DaBlade: im using 3.5 |
| 17:43.26 | DaBlade | I suppose most of you guys are |
| 17:43.38 | cbr | DaBlade: and using debian |
| 17:43.39 | Bille | cbr: there will be a kopete release before KDE 4 |
| 17:43.42 | DaBlade | but hell, I don't wanna risk destroying my system..it's happened before with Debian's packages. |
| 17:43.51 | DaBlade | cbr: I'm using SimplyMEPIS. |
| 17:45.00 | DaBlade | SmallR2002: Trying to get my winkeys to show the kde launch menu |
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| 17:46.07 | SmallR2002 | now i begin to think that they didnt tell me something in biology... i thought we all have only one 'winkey' |
| 17:46.26 | Bille | DaBlade: gtg. good luck with it! |
| 17:46.45 | DaBlade | SmallR2002: Smartass... :P |
| 17:46.49 | DaBlade | Windows key... |
| 17:46.56 | DaBlade | Bille: wait please |
| 17:47.07 | DaBlade | There is nothing else using the win key... |
| 17:47.16 | DaBlade | I can't find anything |
| 17:47.31 | cpw | hrmmm.. |
| 17:47.38 | Bille | DaBlade: sorry, I'm out of ideas. |
| 17:47.42 | cpw | grepper's method seemed to work |
| 17:47.43 | DaBlade | wait |
| 17:47.48 | SmallR2002 | what HAVE you done mate? |
| 17:47.58 | DaBlade | Mode_Switch_Level_3 |
| 17:47.59 | cpw | manual xmodmap |
| 17:48.04 | DaBlade | It shows up in xmodmap |
| 17:48.15 | DaBlade | mod5 Mode_switch (0x5d), ISO_Level3_Shift (0x71), ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c) |
| 17:48.46 | SmallR2002 | erm, you can get your _winkle_ to do that i'm sure |
| 17:49.21 | Bille | DaBlade: mod5 Mode_switch (0x5d), F30 (0x73), ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c) |
| 17:49.30 | Bille | (having done grepper's remap too) |
| 17:49.35 | Bille | anyway, GTG. |
| 17:49.41 | DaBlade | wait |
| 17:49.49 | DaBlade | how do I edit it? |
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| 17:49.59 | DaBlade | dammit |
| 17:50.10 | grepper | edit what ? |
| 17:50.19 | cpw | <grepper> xmodmap -e "keycode 115 = F30" |
| 17:50.26 | cpw | do like that |
| 17:50.27 | DaBlade | k |
| 17:50.30 | cpw | works for me |
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| 17:50.44 | DaBlade | k, now what? |
| 17:50.52 | cpw | then go to Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 17:50.59 | DaBlade | k.. |
| 17:51.02 | cpw | All the way down to Panel |
| 17:51.11 | DaBlade | k |
| 17:51.15 | cpw | select Popup Lanch Menu |
| 17:51.20 | DaBlade | k |
| 17:51.27 | cpw | select Custom at the bottom |
| 17:51.32 | DaBlade | k |
| 17:51.34 | cpw | click the button next to it |
| 17:51.34 | grepper | I just put it in an ~/.xmodmaprc and source it if running X |
| 17:51.55 | grepper | echo "keycode 115 = F30">>~/.xmodmaprc |
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| 17:52.07 | cpw | Then hit your left win key when the dialog comes up |
| 17:52.11 | kikov | is it possible logging what's happening on the screen with konsole? |
| 17:52.23 | cpw | kikov: yes |
| 17:52.29 | kikov | which option? |
| 17:52.35 | DaBlade | cpw: I know all of that. Was done before you said all the way down to panel |
| 17:52.38 | DaBlade | but it doesn't work. |
| 17:52.44 | DaBlade | Damn windoze key. |
| 17:53.30 | cpw | hrmm.. where DID it go :/ |
| 17:53.31 | kikov | cpw, Save History? |
| 17:53.55 | DaBlade | I'm getting annoyed at this... lol |
| 17:54.03 | grepper | DaBlade: does it show F30 for the key ? |
| 17:54.17 | DaBlade | no |
| 17:54.20 | cpw | kikov: yah, that's it |
| 17:54.26 | DaBlade | ISO_Level3_Shift |
| 17:54.40 | kikov | thx |
| 17:54.49 | grepper | no clue what that is - I just left it at defaults, and this method works |
| 17:55.35 | DaBlade | :/ |
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| 18:00.30 | grepper | DaBlade: try setting to kde default for 3 modifier keys |
| 18:00.52 | grepper | then redo the xmodmap command and select F30 in the shortcut for popup launch menu |
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| 18:02.22 | invictus | is there any way I can remove the separators in the K menu? |
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| 18:06.37 | jhutchins | What's the command to regenerate the menu? Or do I have to restart kde? |
| 18:07.59 | sredna | jhutchins: kbuildsycoca --noincremental |
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| 18:11.42 | na641 | anyone have any idea of when kdelook will be back up :\ |
| 18:11.52 | na641 | just got a fresh gentoo install... lookin quite ugly |
| 18:14.53 | cbr | is it possible to view the little avatars in kopete chat window? |
| 18:16.18 | sredna | invictus: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret%20Config%20Settings#id590442 |
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| 18:19.18 | invictus | thank you sredna :) |
| 18:19.32 | sredna | ;) |
| 18:20.32 | Tm_T | what?! |
| 18:20.56 | Exis | Is kde-look.org coming back any time soon? |
| 18:21.18 | Tm_T | invictus: like this? http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/kopete_Hacker_6.png |
| 18:21.27 | Tm_T | Exis: hopefully, I have no idea |
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| 18:22.12 | na641 | yeah, i need it, just installed kde |
| 18:22.17 | na641 | lookin nasty. |
| 18:22.18 | na641 | :( |
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| 18:23.00 | kronoz | hi, is kde-look.org down or is it a problem on my side> |
| 18:23.01 | na641 | anyone know of any other sites to get themes, etc.? |
| 18:23.06 | na641 | kronoz: read the topic. |
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| 18:23.18 | kronoz | oh, sorry :p |
| 18:23.29 | na641 | terrorists destroyed the server |
| 18:23.32 | na641 | gnome terrorists :| |
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| 18:25.34 | rlaager | Hi. I'm looking to detect when my application is running under KDE. Is there an environment variable that I can reliably check for? |
| 18:25.49 | UziMonkey | Can I split the view in Konsole like I used to be able to do in Konqueror? I'd like to have more than one Konsole on the screen at once without resorting to multiple windows or GNU Screen. |
| 18:26.03 | UziMonkey | (KDE 3.4.3) |
| 18:26.16 | na641 | errr |
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| 18:26.18 | na641 | there are tabs. |
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| 18:26.34 | UziMonkey | I want to use Vim and watch a log file at the same time |
| 18:26.57 | Clete2 | does anyone have viewportagex, a karamba theme, for download? |
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| 18:29.01 | oever | UziMonkey: vim can do windows |
| 18:29.16 | oever | ctrl-w n |
| 18:29.19 | oever | for a new window |
| 18:29.27 | UziMonkey | oever: I know, I can do it with Vim, or GNU screen, but I want to do it with Konsole |
| 18:29.37 | oever | then switch with ctrl-up and ctrl-down |
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| 18:29.47 | UziMonkey | looks like it's not possible though :P Konsole is not an MDI app |
| 18:29.49 | oever | UziMonkey: konsole cannot do this |
| 18:30.07 | oever | UziMonkey: do you know ctrl-z? |
| 18:30.24 | UziMonkey | yes, I know... |
| 18:30.51 | oever | that's all i can offer |
| 18:30.57 | UziMonkey | oh, here's a compromise. I can use Kate and the Vim KPart |
| 18:32.21 | aseigo | UziMonkey: you can't do split window, side-by-side konsoles (though there is an app on kde-apps.org that provides that functionality; just embeds konsolepart so you get pretty much all of konsole's other features) ... but you can have multiple tabs in konsole of course |
| 18:32.55 | UziMonkey | aseigo: I know, but I want to be able to see both at the same time. I think I got it with Kate though |
| 18:33.03 | UziMonkey | (and do the know the name of that app?) |
| 18:33.04 | eXistenZ | aseigo, what language do you use for programming kde? |
| 18:33.26 | wmk | anyone here who can give me a hint with k3b? |
| 18:33.31 | aseigo | eXistenZ: C++ |
| 18:33.39 | vandenoever | sure, wmk, just ask |
| 18:33.39 | eXistenZ | ah, great =P |
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| 18:33.59 | vandenoever | eXistenZ: maybe there are bindings for you fav. language |
| 18:34.02 | wmk | vandenoever: is it possible to tell k3b to burn more copies of one cd? |
| 18:34.13 | eXistenZ | vandenoever, I |
| 18:34.19 | eXistenZ | vandenoever, I'm still just a beginner |
| 18:34.26 | eXistenZ | I'm not that pro |
| 18:34.48 | vandenoever | wmk, you can create an image and burn that multiple times |
| 18:35.27 | wmk | i mean like with other burning programs: the cd is pinging out, and when i insert a new empty cd it burns automatically without pressing the button |
| 18:35.34 | vandenoever | then, with the function 'burn cd image' you can select multiple copies |
| 18:35.39 | wmk | ah. |
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| 18:35.59 | wmk | can i create an iso image with k3b? |
| 18:36.09 | vandenoever | wmk, really? without asking the user, wow, never seen that |
| 18:36.16 | vandenoever | yes, of course |
| 18:36.29 | wmk | vandenoever: first you have to tell it "burn e.g. 5 copies of that stuff" |
| 18:36.59 | vandenoever | wmk, ok i've checked the gui, you can do that in kd3b |
| 18:37.00 | eXistenZ | aseigo, is it possible to have a workaround for the kicker crash for the being time? |
| 18:37.01 | vandenoever | k3b |
| 18:37.18 | wmk | ok. will try to make an image. thanks for the tip |
| 18:37.31 | vandenoever | add the files and press 'burn', then it asks how many copies in the dialog |
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| 18:37.32 | mattepiu | hum, anyone knows how can I add a kmenu entry in a script? I copy myapp.desktop file in the right folder, but some command more is needed |
| 18:37.46 | vandenoever | wmk: you don't need the image per se |
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| 18:37.52 | wmk | vandenoever: which version? |
| 18:38.05 | vandenoever | 0.12.9 |
| 18:38.11 | aseigo | eXistenZ: uncheck any "Optional Menus" that use file system watches in the Menus page of the panel config (e.g. the system menu) |
| 18:38.43 | wmk | oh, i have 0.11.22cvs |
| 18:39.04 | vandenoever | what distro? |
| 18:39.09 | wmk | suse 9.3 |
| 18:39.09 | vandenoever | for suse you can easily update |
| 18:39.28 | wmk | with yast online? |
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| 18:39.39 | vandenoever | just a sec, getting the url |
| 18:39.53 | vandenoever | you can add an installation source |
| 18:40.06 | wmk | ic |
| 18:40.08 | mattepiu | I need to add an entry to kmenu (by script), .desktop file ready, gentoo distro KDE 3.5 |
| 18:40.26 | vandenoever | pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0/yast-source |
| 18:40.30 | vandenoever | on ftp.gwdg.de |
| 18:40.45 | vandenoever | well with 9.3 for you ;-) |
| 18:41.18 | illogic-al | this is sad. |
| 18:41.27 | illogic-al | i'm updating firefox to get new themes... |
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| 18:41.56 | PhilRod | illogic-al: did that bot that I banned belong to you? |
| 18:42.19 | eXistenZ | aseigo, what distro do you think has the best support? |
| 18:42.27 | wmk | vandenoever: is this for updating whole kde or single apps? |
| 18:42.33 | vandenoever | both |
| 18:42.39 | wmk | ah. |
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| 18:42.52 | vandenoever | but for newer apps you'll need a newer kde-libs (i think) |
| 18:43.08 | wmk | ooh ooh... |
| 18:43.22 | vandenoever | it's a bit big.. |
| 18:43.37 | motyR | Hi, whats up with kde-look? |
| 18:43.47 | benJIman | topic |
| 18:43.49 | vandenoever | it's with kde-apps |
| 18:44.21 | pinheiro | motyR: flamed hartd drives |
| 18:44.58 | wmk | vandenoever: good for crashing the whole system? |
| 18:45.07 | motyR | alot of problems there |
| 18:45.14 | vandenoever | wmk: sorry? |
| 18:45.24 | eXistenZ | motyR, what distro have you got? |
| 18:45.30 | wmk | i don't want to shoot my running system when updating whole kde |
| 18:45.32 | motyR | opensuse |
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| 18:45.50 | vandenoever | what do you mean with shooting? |
| 18:46.01 | wmk | "zerschiessen, kaputtmachen" |
| 18:46.09 | vandenoever | the packages are pretty good |
| 18:46.22 | vandenoever | wmk: ok i thought you might simply mean crash |
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| 18:46.39 | vandenoever | well, the packages aren't any worse than the normal packages |
| 18:46.41 | wmk | well, it's the machine where i do all my work on |
| 18:47.11 | vandenoever | so is the one i'm typing on and i've the packages running |
| 18:47.18 | vandenoever | with suse 10, i have to add |
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| 18:47.35 | vandenoever | maybe you can run a new k3b without updating kdelibs |
| 18:47.38 | vandenoever | just try it |
| 18:50.08 | illogic-al | PhilRod: dunno? was it's name Kwark? |
| 18:50.40 | PhilRod | yeah, something like that |
| 18:51.15 | illogic-al | lol. i didn't even notice. was he bothering anyone? |
| 18:51.22 | wmk | vandenoever: i added the ftp path as an alternative resource but i cannot see it in yast |
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| 18:51.30 | PhilRod | anyway, if you switch off the auto-respond-to-any-sentence-containing-"seen", it's quite welcome to come back :-) |
| 18:51.33 | illogic-al | he shouldn't have been talking, just chucked him in here to learn words |
| 18:51.45 | illogic-al | aaahh |
| 18:52.19 | illogic-al | forgot to remove that option for #kde channel. sorry :-) |
| 18:52.21 | wmk | vandenoever: ah... got it i guess |
| 18:52.24 | mgorbach228 | anyone here use xcompmgr with an ATI videocard? |
| 18:52.28 | vandenoever | ok |
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| 18:53.43 | roel | hey, is it possible in konsole to use split windows? |
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| 18:55.26 | illogic-al | actually, come to think of it. i think i did make him "talkable" in here. Was only supposed to be when adressed directly though. Heh. I'll have to fix that :-) |
| 18:56.16 | vandenoever | roel, no. uncanny, someone just asked that |
| 18:56.24 | vandenoever | you can in konqueror though |
| 18:56.36 | roel | yeah, but it would be lovely to have it in konsole |
| 18:57.19 | roel | i have several konsoles open at most times, just to see things together at the same time, but when you open a konq in between, you have to bring them all back to the foreground |
| 18:57.47 | vandenoever | yeah, maybe..using the mdi widgets for konsole would be a nice idea |
| 18:57.49 | mattepiu | roel: tabbed konsole sessions? |
| 18:57.54 | straw | ehh... dude. konsole has tabs... |
| 18:57.55 | vandenoever | so you can drag the consoles around |
| 18:58.00 | roel | i have them tabbed |
| 18:58.09 | roel | but that doesn't let you see them at the same time |
| 18:58.27 | vandenoever | you'd like to drag the tag up to split it, right? |
| 18:58.41 | roel | yeah |
| 18:58.49 | mattepiu | roel: then just iconify konqueror instead of bringin up konsole, or move konqueror to desktop 2 |
| 18:59.05 | mattepiu | roel: ops, drag n drop |
| 18:59.13 | roel | mattepiu: that's what i'm doing now, but it's not really handy |
| 18:59.24 | vandenoever | why not? too many buttons? |
| 18:59.31 | *** mode/#kde [+o PhilRod] by ChanServ |
| 18:59.44 | *** mode/#kde [-b *!n=Kwarq@*.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] by PhilRod |
| 18:59.49 | wmk | vandenoever: yeah, it works now. seems 0.12 k3b has more functions... |
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| 18:59.52 | roel | it is if you have to do it all time time |
| 18:59.52 | wmk | thanks for the tip |
| 19:00.00 | PhilRod | illogic-al: there you go :-) |
| 19:00.25 | vandenoever | wmk: cool! |
| 19:00.40 | PhilRod | illogic-al: oh, heh, put an owner name on it so it comes up in the whois info, then I can just find you instead of banning it :-) |
| 19:01.29 | Skrot | Is it inpossible to add sftp:// hosts in remote:/? |
| 19:01.29 | dec0ding | why alt+shift is not available to be custom shortcut in kde ? |
| 19:01.36 | dec0ding | like keyboard layout switching |
| 19:01.50 | PhilRod | dec0ding: because it only contains modifiers |
| 19:02.11 | dec0ding | ahh it is like standard? |
| 19:03.29 | mariux | what is edge flipping in WM-terms? |
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| 19:05.59 | illogic-al | PhilRod: heh. thanks. |
| 19:09.46 | cpw | question, gentoo kde 3.4.3 and 3.5, the kview handbook mentions a Filter menu, but I don't appear to have one |
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| 19:10.20 | cpw | oddly enough, one screenshot shows it without a filter menu, then another one with a completely different look and feel does... |
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| 19:10.43 | benJIman | where does it say that? |
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| 19:11.14 | benJIman | ah this mentions an effects menu |
| 19:11.17 | cpw | Kview Handbook -> a sample kview session -> Stirring up the paste |
| 19:11.37 | cpw | "Finally, we blur the image a little with Filter->Smooth." |
| 19:12.04 | benJIman | seems different here |
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| 19:13.10 | cpw | oddly, the screenshots I'm seeing have /opt/kde2/.... |
| 19:13.45 | mgorbach228 | anyone know when kdelook/kdeapps will be back up? |
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| 19:14.25 | mustasj | mgorbach228: From what I heard they had som hardware problems..:( |
| 19:14.36 | cpw | The only thing I could think of is that they took it out of KView and put it in Krita, and the docs never got updated |
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| 19:14.54 | cpw | because Krita has a filter menu, and it does have Gaussian blur |
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| 19:15.24 | mustasj | mgorbach228: doh, it's in the topic |
| 19:15.55 | cpw | other than that, I unpacked the source, grep -Ri "blur" * in the kview source directory, found nothing |
| 19:18.35 | LeeJunFan | man, some of the coments on slashdot about Torvalds saying everyone should use KDE are good. :) |
| 19:18.54 | cpw | slashdot is useless for comments |
| 19:19.29 | markey | slashdot is all about the comments |
| 19:19.34 | markey | that's the meat |
| 19:19.55 | cpw | The entire thing seems like a big media overhype |
| 19:20.17 | LeeJunFan | cpw: you just have to be able to filter out what's worth reading. I totally agree with Linus, I've felt the same way about Gnome for years, but that's okay, it fills a niche just like linux does itself. |
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| 19:20.37 | LeeJunFan | Just like KDE does. |
| 19:20.51 | Theory | scratch an itch :-) |
| 19:20.57 | cpw | how people think that it "settles the war" is beyond me |
| 19:21.04 | LeeJunFan | To say everyone should use the same thing is a little over the top though. Sounds like something Bill Gates would say to me. |
| 19:21.15 | benJIman | if you think slashdot has bad comments look at digg, makes slashdot look good |
| 19:21.34 | cpw | I mean.. do they think people will just jump on the bandwagon and use KDE, and that GNOME devs are magically going to recommend KDE to users? |
| 19:21.41 | benJIman | LeeJunFan: linus didn't say that, he only said what he uses and recommends |
| 19:22.01 | LeeJunFan | "I personally just encourage people to switch to KDE." |
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| 19:22.28 | benJIman | indeed |
| 19:23.21 | cpw | When you're dealing with switching DE's, the thing is people aren't going to just switch on a dime |
| 19:23.38 | cpw | doing so means possibly re-learning things, setting up new applications, and a whole mess of other stuff |
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| 19:24.01 | LeeJunFan | cpw: no, and it shouldn't. I'm just saying it's comical reading. |
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| 19:25.01 | cpw | I need food.. |
| 19:25.49 | cpw | and thanks to whoever did the whole transparent panel coding, I know he/she didn't want to do it (from their blog) but it's much appreciated ：P |
| 19:26.05 | LeeJunFan | I am, however, glad that KDE doesn't hide or opt out of including features simply because they would be confusing to people. Linux isn't about cloning windows and taking it's place, it's an OS built for people who program who were not interested in the alternatives in the first place, so don't try to clone the alternatives we didn't want in the first place. |
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| 19:26.30 | cpw | LeeJunFan: well, there was a GNOME developer blog on that |
| 19:26.35 | cpw | LeeJunFan: careful what you hear |
| 19:26.50 | Alkis | hello all |
| 19:27.00 | Alkis | just in case anyone missed it...http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/13/1340215&tid=121&tid=131&tid=189&tid=106 |
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| 19:27.18 | LeeJunFan | Alkis: we were just discussing that. |
| 19:27.26 | Alkis | oh ok, sorry |
| 19:27.41 | LeeJunFan | Alkis: mostly worthy of it's comical content really :) |
| 19:27.45 | cpw | Have more faith in the speed of information |
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| 19:32.50 | willwork4foo | ok, kde-folks - I have a question. is it possible within this nice shiny new KDE3.5 to map any combination of keys to produce any key symbol I want? the reason I ask is because I have an Apple iBook with a UK keyboard layout, and it has no # key. In Mac OSX, if I want a #, I have to press Alt-3. but in Yellowdog Linux, this does not work. |
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| 19:34.22 | benJIman | willwork4foo: you can do that at least |
| 19:34.22 | willwork4foo | how? |
| 19:34.23 | MarcC-away | Is it aseigo who has mentioned the development of a project-based desktop in the future? |
| 19:34.28 | benJIman | willwork4foo: kcontrol -> regional & accessability -> input actions -> new action, "keyboard shortcut -> keyboard input" ,set keyboard shortcut to "alt+3" and the keyboard input to "#" |
| 19:35.02 | benJIman | if you want todo multiple characters of keyboard input you have to separate them with : |
| 19:35.09 | benJIman | but don't think you do |
| 19:35.11 | thiago | willwork4foo: try the right Alt (AltGr) |
| 19:35.35 | benJIman | thiago: that produces a superscript 3 I think |
| 19:36.18 | willwork4foo | thiago: there is no right alt on a UK iBook keyboard |
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| 19:36.37 | benJIman | I checked my suggestion, works fine |
| 19:37.15 | willwork4foo | basically, what I want to do is this - have some way of telling my computer that a given combination of keys will produce a certain character |
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| 19:37.25 | willwork4foo | where in KDE 3.5 do I tell it to do that? |
| 19:37.46 | benJIman | willwork4foo: I just told you |
| 19:37.49 | benJIman | [19:37] <benJIman> willwork4foo: kcontrol -> regional & accessability -> input actions -> new action, "keyboard shortcut -> keyboard input" ,set keyboard shortcut to "alt+3" and the keyboard input to "#" |
| 19:38.04 | willwork4foo | aha sorry I didn't see that |
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| 19:38.34 | vasiliyb | yeah! :) http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/13/1340215&from=rss |
| 19:38.40 | vasiliyb | torvalds says wasssaaaa :) |
| 19:39.11 | illogic-al | dear lord. the slashdotters have landed. |
| 19:39.43 | benJIman | lol |
| 19:40.06 | benJIman | noone will have seen stuff on slashdot, better tell everyone |
| 19:40.28 | vandenoever | slashdot? |
| 19:40.29 | na641 | lol |
| 19:40.32 | cb400f | I haven't been able to access kde-look.org for days.. can it really be that it's been down this long? |
| 19:40.40 | na641 | cb400f: read the topic :| |
| 19:40.56 | cb400f | na641, thanks, and sorry... my bad |
| 19:41.00 | na641 | its cool. |
| 19:41.06 | na641 | im only here for that reason as well. |
| 19:41.22 | na641 | i just got gentoo & kde up... lookin ugly as hell. |
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| 19:42.12 | cpw | can someone put "Yes, we know what Linus said" in the topic... |
| 19:42.14 | cb400f | na641, hehe.. I feel you |
| 19:42.33 | LeeJunFan | cpw: no one reads the topics, just slashdot. |
| 19:42.44 | *** topic/#kde by oGALAXYo -> "Yes, we know what Linus said" |
| 19:42.44 | *** topic/#kde by ChanServ -> Latest releases: stable: 3.5. See www.kde.org | kde-look and kde-apps are down for ~2 days due to hardware failure | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | New features in development versions: http://www.canllaith.org/articles.html |
| 19:42.54 | oGALAXYo | heh |
| 19:43.01 | oGALAXYo | topic protection |
| 19:43.02 | cpw | lmao |
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| 19:44.02 | stasik | hy there |
| 19:44.16 | LeeJunFan | well, what he said must have worked, there's only 73 people in the gnome channel. har har. |
| 19:44.38 | LeeJunFan | oh, 72 now, another one must have read slashdot. :) |
| 19:44.44 | cpw | well |
| 19:44.46 | LeeJunFan | hahah |
| 19:44.49 | cpw | gnome has their own irc server |
| 19:44.54 | cpw | so that doesn't quite work |
| 19:44.58 | na641 | lol |
| 19:45.02 | oGALAXYo | LeeJunFan: i hope you looked at their irc server |
| 19:45.33 | LeeJunFan | cpw: hehe, it doesn't matter, I only said it for it's laugh factor anyway. I don't care what gnome peeps do. :) |
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| 19:46.01 | cpw | I should go ranting on my blog |
| 19:46.04 | LeeJunFan | the whole thing I just find really funny. |
| 19:46.14 | cpw | I mean... that's what blogs are for, lots o ranting :p |
| 19:46.35 | LeeJunFan | cpw: yeah, you should make up a story about how you were loving gnome then you read slashdot and your reality fell apart.... etc, etc... |
| 19:46.40 | illogic-al | I agree. and slashdot is the world's blog. |
| 19:46.59 | cpw | objective ranting :P? |
| 19:47.05 | cpw | (if there is such a thing) |
| 19:48.50 | stasik | what r us tolking about? |
| 19:49.06 | cpw | english please :? |
| 19:49.37 | stasik | thats not japaneese |
| 19:49.40 | willwork4foo | question about that keyboard mapping thing I mentioned earlier - is there any way to get Linux to do that in the shell? as in - when not running X? |
| 19:49.58 | LeeJunFan | stasik: the end of gnome, Linus said gnomes are evil so all the gnome people are deleting it off their computers and installing kde. |
| 19:50.15 | LeeJunFan | :) |
| 19:50.43 | stasik | acctualy i just started using linux |
| 19:50.52 | stasik | so i dont c any differnce |
| 19:51.01 | stasik | i mean i dont no any |
| 19:51.07 | LeeJunFan | Like linus is the attorney general of linux, and he said smoking is bad so everyone quit doing it. |
| 19:51.43 | stasik | cool... |
| 19:52.05 | LeeJunFan | I just find it funny because coming from him this will likely start the largest flame war ever, and he'll probably have to go into hiding. |
| 19:52.44 | stasik | u think some1 care what u say??/ |
| 19:55.05 | illogic-al | LeeJunFan: like in the U.S. when the Attorney General said smoking is bad and everyone stopped doing it, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight? |
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| 19:55.55 | LeeJunFan | illogic-al: exactly my point. |
| 19:56.11 | illogic-al | uh huh. |
| 19:56.21 | stasik | here comes the health board... |
| 19:56.37 | willwork4foo | benJIman: do you know how to do that keyboard mapping thing when not running X? as in - at runlevel 3? |
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| 19:57.11 | benJIman | willwork4foo: sorry don't know, probably |
| 19:57.21 | willwork4foo | ok |
| 19:58.14 | stasik | y is it so quite? |
| 19:58.32 | stasik | what r all these fellows do then?? |
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| 20:00.39 | eXistenZ | illogic-al, what distro are you using? |
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| 20:01.11 | Clete2 | Does anyone have ViewPortageX, a Karamba theme? |
| 20:01.38 | illogic-al | eXistenZ: suse |
| 20:02.18 | wanderingdavi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:02.34 | LeeJunFan | wanderingdavi: topic ^^^ |
| 20:03.17 | wanderingdavi | Ah, thank you |
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| 20:04.43 | stasik | any moldovian people in fere? |
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| 20:06.26 | eXistenZ | illogic-al, I'm using kubuntu now, do you recommend me to move to suse? |
| 20:06.46 | illogic-al | no. |
| 20:06.52 | eXistenZ | err why |
| 20:07.14 | illogic-al | eXistenZ: because I don't know if you'd like it or not. |
| 20:07.32 | illogic-al | The only person qualified to make a recommendation on what you would like is you. |
| 20:07.36 | eXistenZ | illogic-al, why does it include so much cds? |
| 20:07.50 | illogic-al | grab suse, use it for a while. if you like it, use it. if not ditch it and move on. |
| 20:08.06 | illogic-al | eXistenZ: because it has so much stuff on those cds? |
| 20:08.20 | eXistenZ | illogic-al, isn't there a min cd? |
| 20:08.35 | Clete2 | illogic-al is right. I have tried tons of distributions. I'm now on Gentoo and have been using it for almost 2 years. |
| 20:09.18 | stasik | i am using suse |
| 20:09.19 | stasik | its better then red fad |
| 20:09.19 | stasik | i mean faster, on my lap-top |
| 20:09.50 | picca | i noticed openSUSE 10 is extremely quick compared to (k)ubuntu |
| 20:09.52 | benJIman | eXistenZ: there's a single cd install, i'd recommend using the 5cds or the dvd though |
| 20:09.53 | Clete2 | Gentoo or LFS is always fastest.. but the hardest to do. That is, if you know what you're doing |
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| 20:10.12 | benJIman | picca: opensuse is the project not the distro, to nitpick |
| 20:10.30 | thegladiator | how do i open the file manager in superuser mode ? in terrminal ? |
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| 20:10.52 | picca | Clete2: i did LFS, but once you configure it to support all the hardware necessary and install the software you need it is just boots and runs the same speed as SUSE; i think SUSE is fast |
| 20:10.52 | benJIman | thegladiator: the run dialogue has a run as root option, or you can run kdesu konqueror, or kdesu kfmclient openProfile filemanagement |
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| 20:10.54 | Clete2 | su to root and run the command for the file manager of your choice, I would suppose |
| 20:11.29 | _reicht | hi |
| 20:11.37 | benJIman | most people doing linux from scratch or gentoo will not have the knowledge of the experts at suse who work on such things, which is likely unless you're a guru it will not be as fast or much faster |
| 20:11.38 | illogic-al | Clete2: wong! slack is always the fastest. end story. |
| 20:11.48 | Clete2 | picca: nice. I haven't tried LFS yet.. might do it on my old PII laptop :). SUSE ran slower than Gentoo on my computer, but I suppose individual results vary.. |
| 20:11.51 | thegladiator | thank you |
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| 20:12.32 | haderach | could someone with kde 3.5 look at http://stuartdavis.com with konqueror and tell me if it crashes |
| 20:12.54 | benJIman | not crashing here haderach |
| 20:13.20 | haderach | hmm, I guess I got to find what is doing that then |
| 20:13.54 | picca | one thing that slowed ubuntu down for me was was the wireless networking at boot up. it seems not to background this task, so if you are using DHCP and the router is switched on it would take minutes to timeout at boot up |
| 20:14.07 | benJIman | ah yes that's true in ubuntu |
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| 20:14.28 | stasik | no crash.... |
| 20:14.38 | Clete2 | crashed firefox too >< |
| 20:14.41 | picca | SUSE handles this very well benJIman partly why i moved to it and its support for WPA-PSK from a GUI app |
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| 20:15.35 | LeeJunFan | picca: that's why I wrote a script which backgrounds and put it in /etc/rc.boot on my kubuntu. |
| 20:15.35 | benJIman | well it's backgrounded it early, you can also set it to activate with ifplugd which is even better (although ifplugd can be dodgy if you have 4 or 5 network connections) |
| 20:15.56 | benJIman | picca: http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/screenshots/yast/ifplugd.png |
| 20:16.29 | picca | i didn't realise that benJIman|tov thanks. |
| 20:16.48 | picca | for me .. another reason to love SUSE |
| 20:17.13 | benJIman | picca: it's nice that if you walk into a wireless hotspot it will automatically connect |
| 20:17.48 | benJIman | however it might use your battery more if wireless interface is active, to save battery most set it to activate never and bring it up manually when you want it |
| 20:17.50 | LeeJunFan | only thing with ifplug is if you lose your connection it downs the interface and lose any extra routes or tc rules. |
| 20:17.53 | tsdh | Hi. Am I right if I say that kleopatra is the same for S/MIME as KGpg is for OpenPGP? So I don't need it if I only use GPG. |
| 20:17.57 | benJIman | LeeJunFan: that's also true |
| 20:18.01 | picca | i like the idea as i travel a fair bit and that is why ubuntu was never going to work for me. i am not bringing ubuntu down or anything it is just that it didn't do it for me with regards to wireless and screen resolution |
| 20:18.14 | benJIman | LeeJunFan: however extra rules and routes can be put into susefirewall2 and they will be automatically re-instated |
| 20:18.58 | picca | did anyone see Linus's email on KDE and GNOME today? |
| 20:19.06 | LeeJunFan | picca: nope. |
| 20:19.24 | picca | it is on slashdot.org and osnews.com |
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| 20:22.15 | LeeJunFan | well in the last 1/2 hr on irc.gnome.com #gnome there has been a total of 5 messages, so I guess they must be all downloading KDE now. |
| 20:23.34 | Khaytsus | Any news that gnome sucks? :) |
| 20:23.49 | Khaytsus | ... is it any news.... |
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| 20:24.18 | Khaytsus | GTK "usability" was designed by a bunch of blind monkeys. |
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| 20:25.52 | picca | i was using gnome for a while myself but then found it was lacking for my requirements; i had tried KDE in the early days and loved it. it wasn't until recently trying knoppix i realised just how KDE had gone from strength to strength. i really hope SUSE doesn't stop using it as the primary desktop |
| 20:26.45 | picca | i think if SUSE stops using it as the primary desktop and favour GNOME then i will be forced to use LFS again and compile KDE |
| 20:27.24 | LeeJunFan | I gave up on mandrake (loved urpmi for rpm's), because they stupified stuff to the point where I couldn't get the system to do what I wanted it to, only what they thought I wanted it to do. At least not w/o a lot of undoing, so I switched to kubuntu. |
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| 20:27.48 | benJIman | picca: that was mostly FUD from unfortuante comments by novell people |
| 20:27.49 | Khaytsus | I used Gnome way back in RH 6.0 I think.. Panel crashed *constantly* so I decided to fire up KDE while I painfully compiled Gnome from source, well known for fixing weird quirky crashes. |
| 20:27.54 | Khaytsus | I never switched back :) |
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| 20:28.19 | LeeJunFan | up until just the last couple months GNOME == Gui Not Offering Menu Editor |
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| 20:28.36 | picca | benJIman|tov: i just hope there is no truth in it as you suggest. for me it would be a big mistake as IMHO it is KDE that makes SUSE |
| 20:29.12 | _stasik | dont try fedora.its so slowwww |
| 20:29.12 | Khaytsus | LeeJunFan: It had no menu editor? Yikes.. KDE 3.5.0 ate most of my custom entries :-/ but I have it fixed now. |
| 20:29.14 | benJIman | picca: novell has always favoured gnome for their coperate offerings, they will possibly be making it the default in their enterprise versions, suse.de people are mostly kde |
| 20:29.15 | picca | Khaytsus: you will also find KDE is easier to compile from source than Gnome |
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| 20:29.44 | frb | ok, got it |
| 20:29.45 | Khaytsus | picca: I compiled KDE 3.0 when all was available was the previous stable.. but otherwise I tend to not compile huge stuff. In fact I mostly stick with RPMs these days. |
| 20:30.06 | Khaytsus | picca: I recall I used a nice script to compile, it was rather easy to do.. I forget the name of the script. |
| 20:30.09 | picca | i am pleased to hear that benJIman ; the news stuff really worried me |
| 20:30.30 | LeeJunFan | I used to believe in gnome and what they claimed their goals were but they went down a road I didn't want to follow. |
| 20:30.57 | picca | i followed BLFS to compile it, but to be honest i think it would have been straight forward to do without BLFS |
| 20:31.02 | willwork4foo | I must say I am liking the "Use mouse navigation instead of scroll-bars" shiny thing in Kopete |
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| 20:31.04 | willwork4foo | very slick |
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| 20:31.41 | LeeJunFan | willwork4foo: yeah, I just recently gave up on SIM and went kopete myself. Very nice. |
| 20:31.51 | willwork4foo | tis. |
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| 20:32.24 | willwork4foo | I'm currently re-fiddling things on my iBook to get Yellowdog and OSX dual-booting. Once I've done that, I'll be compiling KDE 3.5 for my mac. |
| 20:32.50 | picca | i have made the move from xchat to kopete - no looking back. the interface is so clean and simple |
| 20:33.01 | SuperLag | yuck |
| 20:33.03 | frb | all your network are belong to me |
| 20:33.14 | frb | I can't stand IM clients for irc |
| 20:33.15 | LeeJunFan | picca: I still prefer a more complete IRC like kontact |
| 20:33.21 | SuperLag | heh |
| 20:33.23 | frb | Konversation |
| 20:33.36 | LeeJunFan | yeah, konversation, that's what I meant. :) |
| 20:34.06 | benJIman | kopete's irc support really isn't too bad, though it's rather inefficient in resources with lots of scrollback |
| 20:34.23 | picca | i've just got use to using IRC through kopete and have learned to love it now - i think it is more a KDE integration thing for me if anything |
| 20:34.39 | picca | irssi rocks |
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| 20:35.04 | benJIman | picca: konversation also integrates nicely, it's more like xchat |
| 20:35.08 | picca | only thing that annoys me about kopete irc support is that when you enter a channel it shows everyones status in the channel window. i so wish i could stop that |
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| 20:35.11 | Khaytsus | I shell into my server with a screen running on it, so I can reattach from anywhere.. Work, school, phone.. No gooey IRC for me :) |
| 20:35.19 | picca | i've not tried konversation - will check it out |
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| 20:36.51 | picca | since installing SUSE 10 and using KDE; i've noticed that i am slowly moving away from things like firefox and xchat. i never thought i could manage without them |
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| 20:40.35 | Khaytsus | picca: What are you using, Konq? |
| 20:40.55 | Khaytsus | I've really tried.. several times.. to use Konq. I just can't. I hate it. :) |
| 20:41.09 | Khaytsus | So I use Firefox. It just keeps getting better. |
| 20:41.12 | picca | yeah Khaytsus, since i upgrade to KDE 3.5 i have found it to be faster. it might be just be my mind playing tricks, but i am sure it seems faster |
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| 20:41.24 | _stepz | what's wrong with konq? |
| 20:41.35 | _stepz | it sure is faster |
| 20:41.53 | picca | i also find it works with all the websites i visit on a regular basis |
| 20:42.12 | willwork4foo | how do I change the default windowmanager for login prompt? because at the moment when I go to runlevel 4 from runlevel 3 (by typing init 4 as root) I get the ugly XDM login prompt |
| 20:42.15 | picca | and with the support for adblocking in KDE 3.5 there is no excuse for me not to use it |
| 20:42.17 | willwork4foo | I'd quite like the KDE login prompt |
| 20:42.20 | Khaytsus | Slightly faster doesn't bother me as much as the weird rendering sometimes, the goofy toolbars.. but mostly extensions missing.. geestures, detailed tab control, (previously) adblock |
| 20:42.25 | vampyregeek | $PATH is no longer able to find kdm so it's using the default x wm. I re-emerged kdebase with no luck. Any suggestions? |
| 20:42.41 | picca | geestures would be nice i admit Khaytsus |
| 20:42.47 | Chryseus | picca: rockergestures! :( |
| 20:43.08 | Khaytsus | I use gestures a LOT.. Mostly close tab, back/forward, reload, reload w/o cache, next/prev tab |
| 20:43.15 | picca | i love that i can use kioslaves from konq, however |
| 20:43.15 | Khaytsus | Just back and forth wouldn't cut it |
| 20:43.19 | _stepz | use khotkeys for gestures |
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| 20:43.36 | Khaytsus | I think I tried that once.. It was a pita to set up. |
| 20:43.46 | Khaytsus | It's been probably KDE 3.2 since I last gave Konq a try |
| 20:43.55 | Khaytsus | Really a try.. not just a use it for a few minutes kinda thing |
| 20:44.06 | Chryseus | setting up gestures is.. checking one checkbox :/ |
| 20:44.06 | picca | what i'd like next for KDE is for KOfffice to become a serious contender |
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| 20:44.18 | mastertet | Hello |
| 20:44.24 | Khaytsus | I use it on a regular basis on my own websites to check it out when not logged in to avoid cookie weirdness.. But not for general browsing. |
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| 20:44.34 | _stepz | picca, I second you on that. |
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| 20:44.59 | picca | i love how well integrated Koffice is _stepz, but things like tables in Kword need sorting out |
| 20:45.09 | Khaytsus | Last I tried KOffice it couldn't even save to doc.. Limits my use of it, that'd be the main reason to use the writer. |
| 20:45.12 | benno2 | question: is it possible to increase the font of a QMessageBox using QMessageBox::question() etc |
| 20:45.13 | picca | and the support for M$ word docs needs improving |
| 20:45.21 | _stepz | Openoffice is deadslow and not really that good on the usability front |
| 20:45.25 | mastertet | I setup an app bar, like in OS X, then, I add a clock on that bar. It moved the app menu on the right. Is there a way to align the app menu to the left of the menu bar? |
| 20:45.31 | willwork4foo | I like it. but then - I am an ex-Sun person |
| 20:45.35 | Khaytsus | OO isn't that slow to use, but it sure is slow to load. |
| 20:45.42 | willwork4foo | and had to use StarOffice for ages |
| 20:45.42 | LeeJunFan | no, openoffice is a bit hungry on the resources. |
| 20:45.51 | DaBlade | http://www.linux.org/news/2005/12/13/0007.html <-Look, people! |
| 20:46.01 | picca | yeah i agree with that Khaytsus ... it is very good but very slow at loading up |
| 20:46.05 | willwork4foo | I have no problems with resources - I have loads of system resource. So I might as well use it |
| 20:46.07 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 20:46.10 | Khaytsus | DaBlade: Yeah yeah, old news |
| 20:46.19 | Khaytsus | :) |
| 20:46.20 | picca | but obviously i prefer for my office apps to be integrated with KDE |
| 20:46.26 | annma | we dont engage in flames |
| 20:46.56 | litb | is there a spam program for kmail? |
| 20:47.01 | _stepz | gentoo openoffice is somewhat integrated with KDE, but I still can't around that it's sloooow |
| 20:47.04 | annma | spamassassin |
| 20:47.04 | litb | linux, of course |
| 20:47.08 | _stepz | even on a reasonably beefy machine |
| 20:47.24 | Khaytsus | Honestly I don't "use" that much of KDE.. I set it up to look pretty, love the panel, but.. I don't use konq (browse or FM), don't use konsole (aterm), don't use any desktop widgets (gkrellm).. |
| 20:47.33 | LeeJunFan | _stepz: yeah, when something is more of a hog then it's MS counterpart then there's issues. |
| 20:47.35 | annma | litb: install spamassassin run the daemon and integrates it in kmail |
| 20:47.55 | picca | i am running openoffice on a beefy laptop (if there is such a thing), and must admit it is slower than M$ office at starting up, but then i guess openoffice isn't half loaded during boot up |
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| 20:48.20 | picca | OO starts up quick from buffered memory |
| 20:48.20 | Khaytsus | I used to love KDE's mouse desktop switching but it got weird in 2.0 and hasn't been right since, and now I'm totally used to my hotkeys (control+cursor keys) |
| 20:48.33 | _stepz | picca, Office starts up quickly even under linux |
| 20:48.46 | picca | which Office _stepz? |
| 20:49.03 | Khaytsus | One thing that bugs me about OO.... open a HUGE word document and you just have a blank screen while it loads. |
| 20:49.27 | Khaytsus | Looks like it's doing nothing, but it's ticking away loading it down at the bottom, but no title, etc |
| 20:49.28 | picca | i have to say however that OO 2.0 is a major improvement |
| 20:49.29 | _stepz | picca, MS Office 2k |
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| 20:50.03 | _stepz | OO2 is a major improvement but sadly it's nowhere near MS Office 2003 |
| 20:50.11 | picca | i've not tried it _stepz - did you use crossover to do that? |
| 20:50.15 | litb | there is a "Spam-Status:Â Spamassassin [===]" displayed in the header |
| 20:50.18 | annma | who really needs MS office? |
| 20:50.23 | litb | but i haven't spamassissin installed |
| 20:50.41 | _stepz | picca: wine |
| 20:50.43 | picca | _stepz: base is so far behind ... the koffice database is better |
| 20:50.51 | annma | very few users need a full office suite |
| 20:51.03 | annma | most users only need light offic ecapabilities |
| 20:51.03 | litb | koffice will be better than msoffice, only wait a few years... |
| 20:51.16 | annma | check the number of comits currently in KOffice |
| 20:51.18 | picca | annma: that is a good point and i think i could get away with using koffice if i am honest as i hardly use tables |
| 20:51.25 | annma | the devels are working hard on it |
| 20:51.49 | annma | ;) |
| 20:51.51 | picca | litb: true i think they have something good with koffice, just give it a year or two |
| 20:52.22 | _stepz | annma, I'd say most users need light office capabilities + a few specific features |
| 20:52.34 | litb | annma, how is Thomas Zander called in irc? |
| 20:52.39 | annma | wait until Open Document is the norm |
| 20:52.42 | picca | the spreadsheet and databse app are excellent in koffice, i just think kword needs improvements. however i am not sure i am qualified to say such things as i am not a power user |
| 20:52.50 | annma | ThomasZ |
| 20:53.45 | LeeJunFan | annma: yeah, that's easy to say, but even though people will have opendoc available in the next office, how many people will upgrade? will MS us that as default type? how many old .doc forms will be out there that will simply be saved in same format again? |
| 20:54.05 | LeeJunFan | .doc files will be around forever, and koffice needs to be able to support them. |
| 20:54.07 | picca | _stepz: you are right.. at work i use M$ office and use nearly all its capabilities but at home when i use Koffice i don't need 70% of those features |
| 20:54.12 | annma | .doc are evil that's all |
| 20:54.25 | Khaytsus | Plus no matter what open standard MS uses, it'll add some propritary crap to it. |
| 20:54.27 | annma | more and more people are sick with them |
| 20:54.32 | SimAtWork | annma: do you know if the reason you can't change mouse cursors without logging out is an issue with kde or x ? |
| 20:54.33 | Khaytsus | Just like they've done with XML |
| 20:54.47 | Khaytsus | I think cursors are a function of X not KDE. |
| 20:55.00 | LeeJunFan | annma: yeah, but people have been sick of MS for years and they still use it. I hardly talk to anyone who doesn't hate windows, but there they sit in front of it bitching. |
| 20:55.11 | Khaytsus | LeeJunFan: Like me at work? :-/ |
| 20:55.13 | annma | schools for example are switching to OO because they cannot afford MS offcie |
| 20:55.31 | annma | LeeJunFan: wrong, I see more and more users switching to OOorg |
| 20:55.44 | annma | and OPen Document is the norm in OOorg2 |
| 20:55.49 | picca | i think MS office has got worse over the years; i still claim that Office 95 was the best - lol |
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| 20:55.53 | SimAtWork | i think schools and universities should be required to teach open standards vs closed standards. anduse them also. |
| 20:56.09 | SimAtWork | picca: more to the point, office hasn't changed since 95. |
| 20:56.13 | annma | whatever are required they use Open Office now here |
| 20:56.15 | benJIman | but office97 introduced clippy, clearly the best |
| 20:56.19 | annma | LOL |
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| 20:56.31 | Khaytsus | annma: Sorry, but people aren't generally going to use some format besides doc when they have to share it with any other user. Just how it is right now. |
| 20:56.36 | annma | benJIman: ;) |
| 20:56.56 | annma | Khaytsus: some people just don't care, like schools |
| 20:56.57 | SimAtWork | Khaytsus: they'd be smart to use pdf! |
| 20:56.57 | picca | SimAtWork: believe me it has with respect to tables in Word; tables use to work well but now with Office 2003 it doesn't listen to what i want it to do; it is like "word knows best" |
| 20:57.06 | LeeJunFan | annma: yeah, like when the FCC said I had to fill out a form from their page because I was an ISP, I told them sorry, I can't load doc's. |
| 20:57.14 | SimAtWork | picca: i've avoided office 2k3 :) |
| 20:57.14 | annma | Khaytsus: and if you care and are open then don't use .doc |
| 20:57.17 | Khaytsus | SimAtWork: To share documents to edit etc? No. |
| 20:57.26 | annma | by usong .doc you enter the closed system |
| 20:57.30 | SimAtWork | actually, i don't use ms office any more |
| 20:57.39 | picca | SimAtWork: i've had it inforced upon me at work :( so annoying |
| 20:57.41 | _stepz | does KWord have something like the OO stylist or MSOffice styles sidebar? |
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| 20:57.58 | Khaytsus | annma: I'm thinking in general.. if I'm writing a document for a wide audience, doc has to be it. Or PDF, but let's stick with writable formats. |
| 20:58.02 | SimAtWork | picca: i am lucky enough to have a forwrad thinking employer. My desktop machine is gentoo linux. |
| 20:58.13 | annma | Khaytsus: that's your call just like you can do other things in life as an individual which are small but in the end they'll change the world |
| 20:58.20 | picca | you are so lucky SimAtWork |
| 20:58.33 | SimAtWork | picca: i know |
| 20:58.36 | SimAtWork | i am very fortunate indeed |
| 20:58.37 | picca | lol |
| 20:58.40 | Khaytsus | annma: eh? This has nothing to do with grass roots stuff, it has to do with simply making documents other people can read. |
| 20:58.43 | LeeJunFan | get your own laptop and use that, who care's what your employer thinks then :) |
| 20:58.43 | annma | never think in general, Khaytsus, see what you can change yourself |
| 20:58.53 | willwork4foo | hmmm. I started superkaramba, and now whenever I log in I get the superkaramba main window thing popping up. How do I stop this? |
| 20:58.55 | Khaytsus | At work here if I sent out an open document format, 3 of 100 people might be able to read it. |
| 20:59.00 | annma | what other people? |
| 20:59.21 | picca | i would but they have policy that you can't use your own laptop or desktop on their network because of security and viruses |
| 20:59.30 | Khaytsus | annma: I have to think in general, I'm not a one man army, and I have to cooperate with people I work with. Doesn't matter how great or open the format is if nobody else can read it, it's useless to me. |
| 20:59.44 | LeeJunFan | picca: ironic if you use an OS that doesn't have any viruses :) |
| 20:59.57 | annma | Khaytsus: well, your life, your choices |
| 21:00.06 | Khaytsus | annma: I wish I lived in your bubble :) |
| 21:00.15 | Khaytsus | man that'd be simpler |
| 21:00.21 | LeeJunFan | annma: yeah, that kind of sounds like gnome mentality. |
| 21:00.22 | annma | I don't wish I live in yours, Khaytsus |
| 21:00.31 | annma | yeah? |
| 21:00.44 | SimAtWork | picca: i have found that there is no reason to use windows as a desktop, even if you want to run msoffice crossover does the job nicely (although i don't use it myself, i have seen it in action) |
| 21:00.46 | picca | yeah i know LeeJunFan. You know it is only recently i moved from dual boot to just Linux and you know what i really love (and shouldn't say this) i don't have constantly run AVG or pay for software |
| 21:00.50 | LeeJunFan | annma: our way is better, so it's all we are going to offer. |
| 21:01.01 | annma | I never said that |
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| 21:01.11 | jimro | hello all, any more info about that downtime (kde-look.org), why details, and when it will be online? |
| 21:01.15 | annma | I said that sayong you HAVE to use .doc is not true |
| 21:01.17 | benJIman | jimro: topic |
| 21:01.22 | SimAtWork | i wish there wasn't so much anti gnome sentiment lately |
| 21:01.25 | Khaytsus | annma was saying I'll provide this document in N format and if you can't read it, tough :) |
| 21:01.28 | LeeJunFan | annma: not in so many words, but that's what Khaytsus and I are getting from it, about koffice not supporting .doc. |
| 21:01.33 | annma | LeeJunFan: I never said something is better |
| 21:01.35 | SimAtWork | gnome is good for people coming from macs |
| 21:01.41 | SimAtWork | no choices, but things just work. |
| 21:01.47 | Khaytsus | Gnome is good? TAKE IT BACK :( |
| 21:01.50 | annma | I am saying most [people can avoid using .doc |
| 21:02.01 | SimAtWork | and gnome is fine really, just depends on what you want. |
| 21:02.02 | LeeJunFan | annma: I was required by LAW to use DOC, how is that not true? |
| 21:02.11 | SimAtWork | kde is definately my preffered desktop environment though. |
| 21:02.12 | jimro | benJIman: yeah, but more than 2 days have passed |
| 21:02.12 | annma | LeeJunFan: fine |
| 21:02.12 | picca | SimAtWork: i gave up on XP at the start of Novemeber, prior to that i was dual booting. the best thing to do as to rid of XP fully and get straight into Linux |
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| 21:02.24 | annma | if you're confortable with it |
| 21:02.48 | LeeJunFan | annma: I won't argue that it's bull, and I'd like to go tell them to f off, but .... |
| 21:02.53 | Khaytsus | SimAtWork: Man I wish I could use Linux here at work.. But have Windows-only bug database software, Lotus Notes, everything is on windows network shares.. Not feasable. |
| 21:03.06 | LeeJunFan | annma: just that it would really help koffice to support .doc |
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| 21:03.15 | annma | it supports .doc |
| 21:03.15 | Khaytsus | Everything is domain login for access for various drives and resources |
| 21:03.16 | picca | don't you just hate the concept of drive letters |
| 21:03.27 | Khaytsus | It *reads* doc format.. Does it write it? |
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| 21:03.32 | SimAtWork | Khaytsus: windows network shares is not an issue. i think lotus notes has a linux client. and the windows only bug database software probably will run in crossover. |
| 21:03.32 | Khaytsus | Didn't last I tried it, but it has been a while |
| 21:03.39 | annma | try again |
| 21:03.48 | annma | I am biased as I don;t used it |
| 21:04.06 | Khaytsus | SimAtWork: Windows network shares *is* an issue. No idea why, but I can cd and grab fiels, but ls shows nothing.. I see no files or directory structure. |
| 21:04.13 | SimAtWork | Khaytsus: i've found that open office makes word docs quite well now (oo2.x) |
| 21:04.16 | annma | I'm just sayig that in most office needs KOffice is enough |
| 21:04.30 | SimAtWork | Khaytsus: try cifs instead of samba |
| 21:04.48 | SimAtWork | annma: i can't agree. not yet. |
| 21:04.53 | Khaytsus | SimAtWork: I tried both I think.. messed with a bootable cd distro in here one day |
| 21:04.56 | annma | SimAtWork: schools, unis |
| 21:05.01 | annma | persoannl office |
| 21:05.01 | Knowerrors | Anybody know a good video program that will join wmv files and produce an mpeg from them? |
| 21:05.08 | Khaytsus | And they wouldn't license a Linux Notes client for me.. heh |
| 21:05.13 | annma | all my friends use OOorg, my kids as well |
| 21:05.21 | SimAtWork | OO is good enough |
| 21:05.23 | LeeJunFan | DaBlade: did you really have to go into #gnome and troll with the link? |
| 21:05.24 | yknott | oo here too |
| 21:05.24 | SimAtWork | OO is well beyond good enough |
| 21:05.27 | annma | they all dropped MSOffice |
| 21:05.27 | benJIman | one of the problems with ODF is that not even Linux based schools are likely to have support for it yet |
| 21:05.34 | LeeJunFan | DaBlade: we should be above that. |
| 21:05.43 | annma | SimAtWork: for what they do KOffice would suffice |
| 21:05.43 | benJIman | OOo has only just got support for it in stable, as has koffice |
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| 21:05.46 | Khaytsus | I put OO on peoples computers too.. then they ask "where is word?" Meh. |
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| 21:06.04 | benJIman | most schools/universities are not going to upgrade more than once a year at least |
| 21:06.23 | benJIman | so ODF is not a format good for exchanging yet |
| 21:06.25 | annma | Khaytsus: that's sad if they cannot adapt from Word to OOwriter |
| 21:06.30 | Khaytsus | benJIman: 18m or 24m usually. |
| 21:06.35 | benJIman | Khaytsus: indeed |
| 21:06.56 | Khaytsus | annma: Mentality... Go figure. I point them to OO Writer and they pretend it's the end of the world and then they just use it and are fine. |
| 21:07.37 | LeeJunFan | Khaytsus: there's going to be a lot of people at our local library in a few weeks that aren't goign to have a choice, I'm setting up a xdcmp server with kubuntu and 25-30 workstations, kde, firefox, and openoffice are all they are getting :) |
| 21:07.46 | SimAtWork | annma: i'm sorry,i just can't agree. koffice is good though. |
| 21:08.18 | rutski89 | Can Linux play QuickTime videos? |
| 21:08.33 | Khaytsus | LeeJunFan: Is kubuthtutu easily maintained? Just curious. |
| 21:08.35 | annma | when you move countries and have to buy another MS Office to support your new language, believe me you switch to OOorg quickly |
| 21:08.54 | LeeJunFan | Khaytsus: based on debian, basically all I ever have to do is apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:09.00 | SimAtWork | Khaytsus: kubuntu is quite simple to maintain |
| 21:09.10 | Khaytsus | LeeJunFan: gotcha.. you can automate that then. Sounds fine, was just curious. |
| 21:09.16 | annma | SimAtWork: the examples I give (schools, family stuff) are not all the office needs in the world |
| 21:09.33 | annma | I perfectly know enterprises use .doc |
| 21:09.55 | LeeJunFan | Khaytsus: yeah, which is why we are going away from windows there, every time I have to make a change on 25 computers, I get to spend 20+ mins on each one, with an xdcmp setup I only make changes to the server. |
| 21:10.16 | _stepz | if I had to pay for MS Office myself, I probably wouldn't use it. |
| 21:10.34 | _stepz | its crazy expensive |
| 21:10.39 | annma | _stepz: yes especially if you're not a power user |
| 21:10.47 | annma | that's the point |
| 21:12.16 | annma | anyway KOffice devels have to believe in what they do otherwise what would be the point? |
| 21:12.18 | _stepz | anyway, big up to the koffice team for what they're doing |
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| 21:12.38 | annma | if I was to say MS Office is the best and all go use it, well, I would not be in that channel |
| 21:12.39 | SimAtWork | _stepz: as is windowsxp!!! 299 for an upgrade, including upgrading from XP HOme to XP PRO. |
| 21:13.04 | LeeJunFan | SimAtWork: that's what newsgroups are for :) |
| 21:13.24 | Khaytsus | LeeJunFan: Aaah right, the boxes are just X terminals. Why not make them diskless CD booting? |
| 21:13.25 | SimAtWork | LeeJunFan: i won't do that. |
| 21:13.29 | annma | that's maybe what LeeJunFan and SimAtWork don't understand here, that KDE devels are driven by what they do |
| 21:13.34 | LeeJunFan | kidding. Why bother downloading what you are forced to buy with most new computers anyway :( |
| 21:13.36 | SimAtWork | LeeJunFan: i'll use free software. |
| 21:13.39 | picca | i really think the whole HOME and PRO thing is rubbish when you think you get everything for free in Linux |
| 21:13.40 | _stepz | I would help, if I had the resources... you know the tune |
| 21:13.44 | annma | otherwise they wouldn't do it |
| 21:13.57 | SimAtWork | annma: and i'm saying koffice is notyet up to the task. |
| 21:14.07 | annma | you did not try it recently |
| 21:14.22 | SimAtWork | unless koffice has passed some huge hurdles in hte last month or two |
| 21:14.22 | _stepz | maybe if I get my bachelors and masters degree done with, I'll have some spare time |
| 21:14.22 | annma | yes it had |
| 21:14.22 | annma | look at kde-commits |
| 21:14.22 | SimAtWork | i will emerge it as soon as i'm doing my update |
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| 21:14.34 | SimAtWork | err done doing my update |
| 21:14.41 | annma | you need koffice from svn fpr the last 2 months changes, SimAtWork |
| 21:14.44 | LeeJunFan | Khaytsus: I plan to do diskless booting. |
| 21:14.44 | annma | not your ebuild |
| 21:15.04 | annma | SimAtWork: wait for koffice 1.5 in spring |
| 21:15.16 | LeeJunFan | Khaytsus: and kdm makes doing the login so easy :) |
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| 21:16.09 | Khaytsus | LeeJunFan: Cool. So not maintaining 25 machines, just maintaining the server.. and occationally updating the boot image |
| 21:16.35 | LeeJunFan | Khaytsus: right, probably won't even ever need to mess with the boot image. Basically a kernel and X. |
| 21:16.38 | annma | SimAtWork: in the last 3 hours I was awa, I just made a svn up and like 30 files have changed in koffice code, that's the current development pace |
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| 21:17.09 | _stepz | annma, do you happen to know where one could get koffice-svn ebuild? |
| 21:17.20 | picca | wow kconversation is fantastic |
| 21:17.24 | annma | no idea, I use svn myself |
| 21:17.32 | picca | konversation even |
| 21:17.53 | annma | _stepz: that will be koffice 1.4 which has no latest devels |
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| 21:18.00 | SimAtWork | annma: actually |
| 21:18.03 | SimAtWork | i just loaded kword |
| 21:18.05 | SimAtWork | it's not bad at all |
| 21:18.15 | SimAtWork | but it's missing a macro record feature |
| 21:18.16 | annma | and it's only 1.4 at the most |
| 21:18.19 | SimAtWork | actually |
| 21:18.23 | SimAtWork | kde is missing a macro record feature |
| 21:18.25 | willwork4foo | I just installed KMplayer - very nice front end indeed! |
| 21:18.34 | SimAtWork | with dcop it'd be nice to tie everything together... |
| 21:18.58 | _stepz | I guess that I'll have to make the svn ebuild myself. next week maybe... |
| 21:19.14 | SimAtWork | annma: but i don't think any office should/could really use a wordprocessor that couldn't do simple macros. |
| 21:19.42 | annma | scripting will come |
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| 21:20.10 | frb | aren't macros disabled in most offices because they are a security risk? |
| 21:20.30 | annma | everything on windows is a security risk |
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| 21:20.49 | annma | offices ban use of IE, hotmail, macros,.... |
| 21:20.54 | _MadMan_ | how do i change the kicker height? |
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| 21:21.52 | Khaytsus | annma: All the webpages here are so hosed with ASP in the headers I gotta use IE for everything internally. Sucks. I use FF for everything else. |
| 21:22.08 | Khaytsus | The corporate world loves MS. :-/ |
| 21:22.09 | annma | well my husband office bans IE |
| 21:22.15 | annma | and Hotmail |
| 21:22.32 | frb | the corporate world doesn't Love MS |
| 21:22.33 | annma | and other things too |
| 21:22.37 | frb | they Tolerate it |
| 21:22.41 | annma | like I do with my kids in fact |
| 21:22.57 | LeeJunFan | annma: that's just wrong :) |
| 21:23.06 | _MadMan_ | how do i change the kicker height? |
| 21:23.08 | annma | Khaytsus: kids are in the same logic than you in your corporate world |
| 21:23.25 | Khaytsus | I'm not even sure what that means. |
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| 21:23.30 | annma | LeeJunFan: yeah? you think so? well they agree when they see the state of their PC |
| 21:23.38 | annma | I repair their Windows |
| 21:23.44 | LeeJunFan | _MadMan_: right click kmenu, choose panel menu, configure panel, and set the size in the window that opens |
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| 21:23.58 | LeeJunFan | annma: I mean about the same way you feel about your kids :) |
| 21:23.59 | annma | LeeJunFan: the kids ban IE themselves, mind you |
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| 21:24.09 | LeeJunFan | annma: ah, that's how you meant it. |
| 21:24.10 | _MadMan_ | there's no option for size |
| 21:24.15 | annma | they are intelligent |
| 21:24.36 | annma | they would ban windows as well if they could game under linux |
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| 21:24.57 | LeeJunFan | _MadMan_: uh, there's a dropdown menu says size above it, under arrangement. |
| 21:25.10 | _MadMan_ | there's nothing about arrangement |
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| 21:25.55 | LeeJunFan | _MadMan_: beats me,hrm. |
| 21:26.06 | _MadMan_ | all there is is "taskbar" on the left |
| 21:26.18 | Russel-Athletic | what was the channel for questions regarding developing kde software once again? |
| 21:26.58 | _MadMan_ | is it because i'm logged in via vnc on a vnc x windows instance? |
| 21:27.01 | LeeJunFan | _MadMan_: try going into kcontrol then, under desktop-> panels. |
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| 21:27.23 | LeeJunFan | _MadMan_: no, probably different kde versions. |
| 21:27.25 | _MadMan_ | i open that and get a blank window |
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| 21:27.33 | _MadMan_ | i just put 3.5 on |
| 21:28.09 | annma | _MadMan_: what distro? |
| 21:28.13 | _MadMan_ | fedora core 4 |
| 21:28.24 | Knowerrors | wuzup with kde-look.org? been down a couple days now |
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| 21:28.25 | annma | did you have a previous kde version? |
| 21:28.31 | benJIman | Knowerrors: topic |
| 21:28.33 | annma | Knowerrors: see topic |
| 21:28.35 | _MadMan_ | no i was using gnome |
| 21:28.38 | Khaytsus | _MadMan_: mv ~/.config ~/.config.bak and ~/.kde/share/applnk ~/.kde/share/applnk, then run kbuildsycoca --noincremental and log back in |
| 21:28.40 | _MadMan_ | all i had was kdelibes |
| 21:28.44 | annma | _MadMan_: ask in #fedora |
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| 21:28.56 | Knowerrors | right on |
| 21:29.03 | Khaytsus | KDE 3.5.0 gets pissed off if there are bad menu entries. |
| 21:29.08 | _MadMan_ | k |
| 21:29.17 | Khaytsus | That fixes the kcontrol panel settings, menu editor, maybe other things |
| 21:29.24 | unclemike | ? kde 3.5...pop blocker in konqueror....how do i stop the enoying window that tells you when a popup has been blocked |
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| 21:30.42 | tty56_ | äüö |
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| 21:30.56 | pfein | any tips on setting up Kmail with maildir? It doesn't see the existing subfolders. |
| 21:31.22 | _MadMan_ | aha much better |
| 21:31.23 | _MadMan_ | thanks |
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| 21:31.49 | oGALAXYo | pfein: maildir is the default behavior of kmail |
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| 21:32.10 | EruditeHermit | hey, can anyone help me with k3b? I have two problems 1) Every time I restart my machine, k3b wants me to use k3b setup to change permissions so that I can use the cdwriter 2) once I do that and it sees the cdwriter, when I start to write, it is stuck at 0% until I cancel |
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| 21:32.47 | pfein | oGALAXYo: yes. I have an existing .maildir on the disk. i set up a Local Account, but I don't see my folders in the main window. |
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| 21:39.30 | pfein | oGLAXAYo: thoughts? |
| 21:41.20 | picca | i am so impressed with Konversation - i can't believe it is only version 0.18 |
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| 21:45.16 | sredna | EruditeHermit: If you are using udev, you can write udev rules to set the permissions correctly. |
| 21:46.00 | willwork4foo | how do I make it so that windows are placed by KDE where I put them last before I closed them, instead of them always appearing in the top left corner of the screen? |
| 21:46.03 | sredna | EruditeHermit: For the problem acutally writing, you should try buring from command line using the program (cdrecord?) that k3b uses, to confirm that it works |
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| 21:47.16 | sredna | willwork4foo: Somewhere there is a window placement policy setting |
| 21:47.38 | Olex | man, just wanted to drop in and say thanks to kde devs ;) |
| 21:47.49 | willwork4foo | sredna: I know - I'm trying to find it |
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| 21:48.17 | sredna | willwork4foo: The moving tab (oOo logical) |
| 21:48.22 | sredna | :\ |
| 21:48.44 | willwork4foo | moving tab? |
| 21:48.57 | sredna | In the window behavior control center module |
| 21:49.06 | sredna | Nothing as intelligent as remembering though |
| 21:49.19 | sredna | However, smart KDE apps does that themselves |
| 21:49.46 | EruditeHermit | sredna: how do I make udev set it correctly? |
| 21:49.59 | EruditeHermit | sredna: I managed to fix the writing issue by upgrading |
| 21:50.15 | sredna | EruditeHermit: Write a udev rule that matches and sets the permissions |
| 21:50.25 | sredna | EruditeHermit: There are docs for udev explaining how |
| 21:50.31 | EruditeHermit | is there a link that will show me how to |
| 21:50.32 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 21:50.37 | EruditeHermit | i'll look around |
| 21:50.37 | willwork4foo | sredna: cheers :) |
| 21:50.52 | sredna | EruditeHermit: man udev |
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| 21:52.03 | sredna | willwork4foo: You can use the window specific settings to make certain windows remember their locations |
| 21:52.09 | willwork4foo | cool |
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| 21:54.28 | EruditeHermit | sredna: thanks |
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| 21:55.02 | sredna | Hm, I see that korganizer has a option to add a 'XML feature plan' resource, but what URL could be used for KDE feature plans? |
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| 21:55.38 | wamphyri | what the name of the kde burner utility? |
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| 21:56.04 | gporcel | if i receive an e-mail that has a number of people cc:d, when i |
| 21:56.04 | gporcel | forward the e-mail, all the recipients that were cc:d on the |
| 21:56.04 | gporcel | original document are cc:d on my forwarding e-mail. |
| 21:56.42 | Khaytsus | Anyone know why kcompmgr grows endlessly? I saw some old bugs about this, but theyw ere all supposidly fixed in 3.4. |
| 21:56.43 | DirkGently | wamphyri: k3b |
| 21:56.47 | gporcel | Is there a way to have this not happen so that I only forward to the person I am forwarding to ? |
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| 21:56.57 | Khaytsus | I left this morning and it was at 240M, get home and it's at 470M. Just sat here idle all day. |
| 21:57.04 | gporcel | BTW, this is kmail |
| 21:57.35 | AnotherData | cool kde-apps and kde-look are back up |
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| 21:57.48 | annma | coooool,let's see |
| 21:57.52 | oGALAXYo | cool |
| 21:58.55 | *** topic/#kde by annma -> Latest releases: stable: 3.5. See www.kde.org | kde-look and kde-apps are back up! | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/ | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | Please state your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | New features in development versions: http://www.canllaith.org/articles.html |
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| 21:59.36 | vasiliyb | guys, you must know the annoying .blah files that show in conqueror |
| 21:59.46 | vasiliyb | how can i disable them from showing in konq? :) thanks! |
| 22:00.01 | DirkGently | annma: thanks for fixing my bug so quickly |
| 22:00.43 | annma | you're welcome, thanks for check-spelling |
| 22:00.57 | annma | I did a lot of QWhatsThis on KOffice |
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| 22:01.09 | annma | and doc updates |
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| 22:01.15 | AnotherData | My clock in the taskbar has a light shading over it so I cannot see the last two numbers is this a known bug? |
| 22:01.16 | DirkGently | yes, I noticed :¬) |
| 22:01.36 | AnotherData | kde 3.5 |
| 22:01.43 | DirkGently | AnotherData: the minutes? |
| 22:01.48 | AnotherData | yes |
| 22:02.32 | DirkGently | AnotherData: what font are you using? the 7-seg font looks ok |
| 22:02.43 | wamphyri | DirkGently: thank you :) |
| 22:02.44 | AnotherData | hmm ill try something else |
| 22:03.32 | AnotherData | that fixed it thanks |
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| 22:04.46 | pfein | My kmail local account doesn't see my on disk maildir folders. Help? |
| 22:06.27 | DirkGently | vasiliyb: hidden files you mean? like .bashrc |
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| 22:09.37 | DirkGently | omg! they're showing our head office on TV in Hemel.. it's a mess |
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| 22:10.18 | vasiliyb | DirkGently: yeap |
| 22:10.33 | vasiliyb | DirkGently: huh? head office? |
| 22:10.57 | DirkGently | the main building of the company where I work |
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| 22:11.20 | DirkGently | vasiliyb: View->Show/Hide Hidden Files |
| 22:12.36 | vasiliyb | DirkGently: doh lol |
| 22:12.41 | DirkGently | :¬) |
| 22:13.10 | DirkGently | our head office was damaged in the oil depot fire |
| 22:13.29 | vasiliyb | DirkGently: how about the hidden files with say mozzilla or firefox. that file selector shows EVERYTHING... you know when youbrowse your filesystem to save a file :) |
| 22:15.03 | benJIman | DirkGently: were you nearby when it went up? |
| 22:15.58 | DirkGently | benJIman: no.. I don't work at the head office.. I work about 100 miles away |
| 22:16.28 | Knowerrors | seems kde-look died again, or overloaded |
| 22:16.35 | benJIman | see topic |
| 22:16.41 | DirkGently | some of the people that work there have had to travel here |
| 22:16.53 | Knowerrors | Ive seen topic benJIman |
| 22:17.04 | DirkGently | lol |
| 22:17.05 | Knowerrors | it was just overloaded momentarily |
| 22:17.10 | Knowerrors | seemingly ;) |
| 22:17.16 | Knowerrors | must be my modem |
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| 22:20.37 | benJIman | oh it's back now |
| 22:20.46 | illogic-al | benJIman: ahah! I have seen you in #kde :-) |
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| 22:28.09 | willwork4foo | can anyone tell me the settings I need to put into my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to make transparency work? I'm trying to find it on google and not getting much luck at the moment |
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| 22:29.17 | illogic-al | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=enable+xorg+composite&btnG=Search |
| 22:29.19 | sredna | willwork4foo: Option "Composite" "Enable" |
| 22:29.33 | sredna | willwork4foo: In the section "Extensions" |
| 22:30.07 | sredna | Of course you should enable RENDER as well as any accelleration your vc supports |
| 22:30.20 | willwork4foo | enable RENDER? |
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| 22:30.30 | sredna | Option "RENDER" "Enable" |
| 22:30.34 | willwork4foo | ah ok |
| 22:30.35 | sredna | Same section |
| 22:30.48 | willwork4foo | ok |
| 22:31.01 | willwork4foo | what's this RANDR thing I've found as well? |
| 22:31.23 | willwork4foo | I don't know how to activate that - I'm guessing is it Option "RANDR" "Enable" as well? |
| 22:31.48 | benJIman | render and RANDR are both on by default iirc |
| 22:32.15 | willwork4foo | not on my distro they aren't. I've tried using RANDR and it tells me my Xserver doesn't have it enabled |
| 22:33.27 | willwork4foo | brb - restarting X |
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| 22:39.44 | evilbulgarian | hi, what package do i need to configure keyboard layouts in kde i have kkbswitch but that only used to switch what do i use to add? |
| 22:40.16 | willwork4foo | hmm. it seems I cannot have transparency. I have a twin screen system with a pair of Nvidia graphics cards, and it seems that in dual screen mode, transparency doesn't work. It only works in single-screen mode. |
| 22:40.25 | willwork4foo | same with OpenGL. oh well. |
| 22:40.43 | benJIman | willwork4foo: yeah if you were using twin screens on one nvidia graphics card it would work |
| 22:41.05 | benJIman | willwork4foo: you can have accelleration on one of the monitors even with your setup though I think |
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| 22:46.59 | willwork4foo | right. I've just installed yellowdog linux on my Apple iBook. Now to remove the hideously borked redhat-style KDE and put a nice KDE 3.5 on there so I can do things with it. |
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| 22:57.47 | orangeacid | hey... I know this might annoy a lot of you as you probabally get this all the time, but can I get some help installing kde 5 please? |
| 22:57.52 | orangeacid | *3.5 |
| 22:58.21 | evilbulgarian | hi, can someone please tell me how i can get kde to add a keyboard layout i seem to be missing the control pannel module for that? |
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| 23:03.11 | ChrisBradley | I need as many breezy repositories as I can get. |
| 23:04.02 | ChrisBradley | I just killed my WWW stuff because of gentoo eavesdropping |
| 23:04.22 | willwork4foo | has anyone managed to get KDE 3.5 working on a mac yet? |
| 23:04.24 | Worf | hi - i have a funny problem: i created a user that has no password set, can only login locally in kdm without password... it worked perfectly until a user had the idea to lock the screen... he couldn't unlock without password. can this be prevented? |
| 23:04.58 | Tm_T | how about set a password? |
| 23:04.59 | ChrisBradley | I'll just go to the web |
| 23:05.26 | Tm_T | Worf: use power of su and do passwd to it |
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| 23:07.32 | Worf | Tm_T: well, the idea was to have a low-privilege-guest user that has a somewhat foolproof desktop |
| 23:09.29 | Worf | eaven if i set a password users could still lock themself out - unless i use the banner-screensaver writing the password on screen... but not exactely what i intended :) |
| 23:10.12 | PhilRod | Worf: you can probably prevent locking using kiosk mode |
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| 23:10.32 | PhilRod | and it sounds like you're doing exactly the sort of thing it was designed for :-) |
| 23:11.12 | Tm_T | aye |
| 23:11.12 | PhilRod | (if the user has a blank password, can't you just hit enter for the "unlock desktop" dialog?) |
| 23:11.24 | Tm_T | oh, hi &co o/ |
| 23:11.41 | Tm_T | =) |
| 23:11.55 | Worf | um - actually the user has no blank password, but no password at all... but setting a blank one would propably be a idea |
| 23:12.12 | Tm_T | I'll recommend kiosk |
| 23:12.17 | Worf | yeah |
| 23:12.25 | Worf | that sounds likt the thing to try |
| 23:12.25 | Tm_T | because user without password is user without restrictions |
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| 23:12.59 | Worf | uh - please explain that |
| 23:13.11 | Tm_T | he can use su, I think? |
| 23:13.14 | Worf | no |
| 23:13.16 | Worf | well |
| 23:13.17 | Worf | yes |
| 23:13.29 | Tm_T | and if he's friend of you, he might guess your password |
| 23:13.37 | Worf | nah :) |
| 23:13.38 | Tm_T | that's reason enough to me |
| 23:14.03 | Tm_T | and if there's user without password, anyone can come in |
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| 23:14.20 | Worf | umm - contrary |
| 23:14.32 | Tm_T | I like to have visitors, but not in my pc thank you |
| 23:14.42 | Worf | if the user has a blank password propably you can log in different ways |
| 23:15.00 | Tm_T | I'd set up some simple password |
| 23:15.00 | Worf | but if a user has no password at all, he cannot log in at all - only exeption local kdm |
| 23:15.16 | Tm_T | or kiosk would be better |
| 23:15.26 | Tm_T | Worf: wanna see? |
| 23:15.36 | Tm_T | there's tons of ways ;-P |
| 23:15.43 | Worf | explain :) |
| 23:16.31 | Tm_T | if kdm can do it, some others can do it too |
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| 23:17.08 | Tm_T | anyway, do as you see it best, I'm not expert in this |
| 23:17.11 | Tm_T | if any |
| 23:17.28 | Worf | let me think |
| 23:17.48 | Tm_T | aye, but test that kiosk |
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| 23:18.04 | Worf | sure, if kdm can log him in, anyone that can mess with kdm can log in. but to do that you need root. and root do that more easy :) |
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| 23:19.25 | Worf | all password based ways of authentication will fail for users that have no password. ( try to login as nobody, bin, ... or any other system account that has no password ) |
| 23:19.36 | Worf | at least i think so |
| 23:20.29 | Worf | so i consider a user without password and local-only-kdm-login more secure than a user with a simple password that is sticked on the screen.... but i may be wrong |
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| 23:22.52 | oGALAXYo | heh krass, watching ASIMO in action now... that small honda robot runs.. |
| 23:22.55 | oGALAXYo | funny stuff.. |
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| 23:40.53 | T-E-A | does kde3.5 link against qt4? |
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| 23:44.07 | aseigo | T-E-A: no |
| 23:44.29 | willwork4foo | yo aseigo |
| 23:44.39 | aseigo | yo |
| 23:45.03 | willwork4foo | I'm just about to embark on a bit of a mission to get KDE 3.5 working on Yellow Dog Linux on my mac |
| 23:45.15 | willwork4foo | any wise words of advice? |
| 23:46.27 | T-E-A | ah crap. thnx aseigo |
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| 23:51.30 | moi1392 | Hello, i'm using kde 3.5 and I have a very little bug with the pager. |
| 23:52.22 | moi1392 | I'm configured with twinview and xinerama, and, when I try to move a fullscreen windows from a screen to another, it doesn't work |
| 23:52.24 | aseigo | moi1392: do tell |
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| 23:52.52 | aseigo | moi1392: hah .. really ... you mean move it from monitor 1 to monitor 2 on the same desktop? |
| 23:52.53 | moi1392 | but I can do that with the draging the titlebar of the window |
| 23:53.00 | moi1392 | asiego : yes |
| 23:53.11 | aseigo | let me look at the code. i bet i know the problem. |
| 23:53.14 | moi1392 | it works if the window is not in fullscreen mode |
| 23:53.31 | aseigo | yes, of course. because it'll be checking if desktop() == currentDesktop() |
| 23:53.32 | moi1392 | asiego :) thx, should I fill a bug report ? |
| 23:53.33 | aseigo | give me 2 minutes |
| 23:53.35 | aseigo | no no |
| 23:53.39 | aseigo | i'll fix it right now |
| 23:53.42 | moi1392 | ok |
| 23:54.07 | aseigo | yep: |
| 23:54.11 | aseigo | kbuildsycoca --menutest 2>&1 | grep VFolderMenu |
| 23:54.12 | aseigo | er... |
| 23:54.19 | aseigo | task->desktop() != m_desktop |
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| 23:55.48 | moi1392 | asiego : nice :) thanks !! And keep the good work all KE staff ;) |
| 23:56.31 | eXistenZ | aseigo, would you recommend suse over kubuntu? |
| 23:56.45 | aseigo | eXistenZ: they're both good in their own ways |
| 23:57.00 | eXistenZ | aseigo, which one do you prefer |
| 23:58.40 | aseigo | eXistenZ: i like yast as it is more comprehensive a tool; i'm a little dissapointed with some of the rough edges on SUSE 10 / OpenSUSE... i like the debian-ness of kubuntu and the clean desktop set up ... |
| 23:58.52 | LeeJunFan | topic is wrong: Warning: main(base/lib_base.php) [function.main]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /www/www.kde-look.org/htdocs/index.php on line 10 |
| 23:59.23 | LeeJunFan | nevermind, kde-look works, kdelook doesn't. |
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