irclog2html for #kde on 20051012

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`00:02.03`	`Pitchin_uk`	`Hi Guys`
`00:02.19`	`Pitchin_uk`	`why I recieve the default mandriva email every time i open kmail even though i delete it??????????`
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`00:03.27`	`annma`	`Pitchin_uk: you have to set a default folder`
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`00:03.47`	`annma`	`do you do that already?`
`00:03.55`	`Pitchin_uk`	`yep`
`00:04.06`	`annma`	`in Configure KMail -> Misc`
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`00:04.29`	`annma`	`what folder is open at startup?`
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`00:05.26`	`Pitchin_uk`	`local folders/inbox`
`00:05.47`	`annma`	`and do you get mail here?`
`00:06.04`	`annma`	`it should be one mail you get that is in there`
`00:06.04`	`Pitchin_uk`	`yer`
`00:06.41`	`Pitchin_uk`	`its weird because i can delete it - close kmail - open it and hey presto`
`00:07.14`	`annma`	`you should ask that in #mandriva`
`00:07.21`	`annma`	`as I have no idea what mail it is`
`00:07.32`	`annma`	`I compile my kde from source`
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`00:12.00`	`Ertain`	`Say, does anyone know how one can connect, through programming, an already built command line program with the GUI?`
`00:12.30`	`annma`	`explain with further details?`
`00:12.37`	`annma`	`KDE programming I suppose?`
`00:12.58`	`Ertain`	`Yes, annma.`
`00:13.11`	`annma`	`explain better please`
`00:13.23`	`annma`	`you have a comand line`
`00:13.28`	`annma`	`command line`
`00:13.42`	`annma`	`and you want to get it executed?`
`00:14.12`	`Ertain`	`Yeah, a command line program, "Foo". I'd like to make a good GUI program for it in KDE, "KFoo". Btw, those aren't the real names of the programs. ;-)`
`00:14.50`	`annma`	`ok so what is your question in fact?`
`00:15.02`	`annma`	`is it about the GUI?`
`00:15.48`	`Ertain`	`It's about how to make the GUI interact with the command line program. For example, creating a GUI in C++ and having that little program talk to the command line program that acts as the backend.`
`00:16.33`	`annma`	`does the command line takes arguments the user has to choose?`
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`00:17.14`	`annma`	`you have to think about how your program interacts with the user`
`00:17.20`	`annma`	`or the other way around`
`00:17.49`	`Ertain`	`Yes. Another example: taking in the argument "Foo -b Fubu" as it would be in the command line and turning it into a clickable GUI with maybe a text field.`
`00:18.20`	`annma`	`the idea is not having the user type Foo -b Fubu`
`00:18.31`	`annma`	`the idea is Foo will be executed`
`00:18.40`	`annma`	`-b might be a check box`
`00:18.52`	`annma`	`Fubu a text field`
`00:19.07`	`Ertain`	`Okay then. Is there any clear cut way of doing that? Maybe coding it out in C++?`
`00:19.26`	`annma`	`when the user has check or not -b and enter a Fubu, he clicks on Ok and hop, Foo -b Fubu is run`
`00:19.36`	`annma`	`then another window/tab gives the output`
`00:20.00`	`annma`	`you never coded in qt/kde?`
`00:20.00`	`Ertain`	`Then how would one do that in the coding process?`
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`00:20.15`	`annma`	`look at the KDE api docs`
`00:20.20`	`annma`	`KProcess maybe`
`00:20.24`	`Ertain`	`I've tried. But I know little.`
`00:20.26`	`annma`	`in konqueror, type`
`00:20.31`	`annma`	`kde:kprocess`
`00:20.36`	`Ertain`	`Right-o then.`
`00:20.41`	`annma`	`and the API doc of KProcess will load`
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`00:21.10`	`Ertain`	`I need to remember that one. :-)`
`00:21.11`	`annma`	`there are examples in the API doc`
`00:21.25`	`pookey`	`hey all. KMail is telling me I don't have asepll in my path, but I do. I can't figure out why spell checking is't working`
`00:21.39`	`annma`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:21.39`	`annma`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:21.40`	`annma`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`00:21.55`	`annma`	`isn;t that exactly what youwant, Ertain ?`
`00:22.08`	`annma`	`pookey: distro?`
`00:22.23`	`pookey`	`annma: gentoo. built from SVN though`
`00:22.29`	`Ertain`	`annma: Something like that.`
`00:22.36`	`annma`	`hmm what about the config.log in kdepim?`
`00:22.48`	`annma`	`Ertain: you should be started now`
`00:22.57`	`annma`	`Ertain: do you knwo about signals and slots?`
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`00:23.06`	`annma`	`if not, read the qt doc`
`00:23.06`	`Ertain`	`Just a little.`
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`00:23.44`	`annma`	`qt3 programming, Ertain ?`
`00:24.15`	`Ertain`	`annma: Fooling around with KDevelop.`
`00:24.19`	`annma`	`http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/index.html`
`00:24.24`	`pookey`	`annma: about about the config.log? is spell checking a compile time option? kopete's spell checkign stuff isn't working either, and that's not in kdepim`
`00:24.29`	`annma`	`http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/signalsandslots.html`
`00:24.43`	`annma`	`Ertain: in KDevelop doc you'l find a tutorial I wrote`
`00:24.51`	`annma`	`about KDevelop and QtDesigner`
`00:25.03`	`annma`	`you do your GUI with QtDesigner`
`00:25.27`	`annma`	`pookey: in config.log check if aspell is found`
`00:25.39`	`annma`	`and where it looked when it did not find it`
`00:26.21`	`annma`	`I'll be back in like 20 minutes when you 2 have processed all I said`
`00:26.25`	`annma`	`;)`
`00:26.32`	`pookey`	`annma: sure :)`
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`00:30.21`	`Mad_Scientist`	`Hey guys...Im using a USB/memory stick adapter (similar to a jump drive) Earlier today, when I plugged it in, it would recognize it as 'Generic Volume' Now, when I plug it in, It doesnt see it.`
`00:30.26`	`Mad_Scientist`	`Anyone know anything about that?`
`00:30.32`	`SbCl3`	`is inkscape better than karbon?`
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`00:31.10`	`stodge`	`Is there a KDE app to let you post to blogger.com?`
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`00:33.39`	`gregday`	`is SCons required yet to build kde4?`
`00:34.08`	`Mad_Scientist`	`brb`
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`00:37.00`	`SbCl3`	`i just tried to compile karbon and i get this error after trying to load it:`
`00:37.02`	`SbCl3`	`koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: The serviceType KOfficePart is missing. Check that you have a kofficepart.desktop file in the share/servicetypes directory.`
`00:37.02`	`SbCl3`	`koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Couldn't find the native MimeType in karbon's desktop file. Check your installation !`
`00:37.13`	`SbCl3`	`what is wrong?`
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`00:45.27`	`annma`	`SbCl3: karbon only?`
`00:45.31`	`SbCl3`	`right`
`00:45.41`	`annma`	`from where?`
`00:46.01`	`SbCl3`	`i downloaded koffice 1.4.2, did a ./configure make make install on "lib", and then did the same on karbon`
`00:46.20`	`pookey`	`annma: hm, it seems spell checking stuff is provided by kspell, which is providedby kdelibs, so it's the config.log for kdelibs I want to be checking isn't it ?`
`00:46.34`	`annma`	`no`
`00:46.48`	`annma`	`aspell is not kspell`
`00:47.06`	`annma`	`SbCl3: hmm apparently it's not enough`
`00:47.20`	`SbCl3`	`oh?`
`00:47.41`	`annma`	`mimetypes`
`00:47.47`	`annma`	`plugins maybe`
`00:47.54`	`pookey`	`annma: well, kopete uses kspell for it's spell checking apparently.. and spell checking isn't working in kopete. I've checked the config.log for kopete, and the only mention of 'spell' in there is -lkspell in the compile options`
`00:47.56`	`SbCl3`	`is there a guide to this somewhere?`
`00:48.10`	`annma`	`the advice is to compile all of koffice`
`00:48.22`	`annma`	`there's no guide for karbon alone`
`00:48.25`	`SbCl3`	`okay`
`00:49.42`	`SbCl3`	will "./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`" work?
`00:49.57`	`annma`	`yes of course`
`00:50.45`	`annma`	`pookey: is it kmail or kopete then?`
`00:50.48`	`annma`	`both?`
`00:50.49`	`pookey`	`annma: it's both`
`00:51.25`	`SbCl3`	`about how long does koffice take to compile? more than an hour?`
`00:51.36`	`gregday`	`SbCl3: what hardware?`
`00:51.37`	`annma`	`SbCl3: depends on your CPU`
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`00:51.49`	`annma`	`pookey: did you ask in #gentoo?`
`00:51.50`	`SbCl3`	`pentium 4 2.4ghz`
`00:51.57`	`pookey`	`annma: I just can't understand why kmail would be suggesting I don't have aspell in my path when I do.`
`00:52.07`	`gregday`	`SbCl3: probably 30-45 minutes at most`
`00:52.13`	`annma`	`pookey: when does it suggest that?`
`00:52.15`	`pookey`	`annma: I've not, but I'm not using the standard kde ebuilds that gentoo provides`
`00:52.22`	`pookey`	`annma: compser window > tools > spelling`
`00:52.29`	`annma`	`so how are you compiling, pookey ?`
`00:52.56`	`pookey`	`annma: unoffical svn ebuilds`
`00:53.10`	`annma`	`pookey: seriously?`
`00:53.19`	`annma`	`and you come here for help...`
`00:53.44`	`pookey`	`annma: because I assumed kde was loking for aspell at runtime, not compile time.`
`00:53.44`	`annma`	`my dict is ISpell`
`00:54.02`	`annma`	`well maybe`
`00:54.12`	`annma`	`I compile kde and it finds my ISpell`
`00:54.24`	`SbCl3`	`sigh i don't want or need 90% of koffice`
`00:54.56`	`SMiLeaf`	`so don't install 90% of it.`
`00:55.24`	`annma`	`SbCl3: well look in the Makefile.am then`
`00:55.28`	`gregday`	`SbCl3: apologies, you will receive a full refund since you are not satisfied`
`00:55.30`	`annma`	`to find out what yu need`
`00:55.53`	`SbCl3`	`i could also do make cleans for each one except what i need`
`00:56.00`	`annma`	`SbCl3: and then write a note that I'll publish on the website`
`00:56.14`	`gregday`	`SbCl3: 'make install' will build before installing`
`00:56.16`	`annma`	`looking at the build needs is smarter`
`00:56.21`	`pookey`	`annma: I'm not sure this is a compile issue at all. does your config.log contain any mention of ispell ?`
`00:56.30`	`SbCl3`	`something is wrong with karbon's make?`
`00:56.39`	`annma`	`SbCl3: what error?`
`00:56.49`	`SbCl3`	`well, i got one above`
`00:56.58`	`SbCl3`	`it didn't install a mimetype`
`00:57.01`	`annma`	`above?`
`00:57.04`	`annma`	`in make`
`00:57.09`	`annma`	`is that a make error?`
`00:57.17`	`SbCl3`	`[20:37] <SbCl3> i just tried to compile karbon and i get this error after trying to load it:`
`00:57.17`	`SbCl3`	`[20:37] <SbCl3> koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: The serviceType KOfficePart is missing. Check that you have a kofficepart.desktop file in the share/servicetypes directory.`
`00:57.17`	`SbCl3`	`[20:37] <SbCl3> koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Couldn't find the native MimeType in karbon's desktop file. Check your installation !`
`00:57.18`	`gregday`	`annma: congratulations on 1.4.2 btw, it's lovely =)`
`00:57.30`	`annma`	`SbCl3: is it the first prog you compile?`
`00:57.39`	`annma`	`gregday: I did not code anyting`
`00:57.42`	`annma`	`thing`
`00:57.44`	`annma`	`;)`
`00:57.57`	`SbCl3`	`yeah, i compiled the lib and then compiled karbon`
`00:58.12`	`annma`	`I mean did you copile anything before?`
`00:58.23`	`annma`	`I said the mimetypes dir should be built as well`
`00:58.32`	`annma`	`just look at the source and look at your error`
`00:58.42`	`SbCl3`	`no, i didn't compile anything before`
`00:58.57`	`annma`	`so build the mimetypes dir`
`00:59.15`	`annma`	`and that one as well obviously: servicetypes/`
`00:59.36`	`SbCl3`	`ah, okay`
`01:00.28`	`annma`	`SbCl3: if you compile by hand, just look at the error and look at the source code`
`01:00.30`	`SbCl3`	`oh...yes, that would be the problem`
`01:00.39`	`annma`	`it's quite easy`
`01:00.55`	`annma`	`I would also build all dirs that are not koffice components`
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`01:01.13`	`anisX`	`Anne Marie Mahouf`
`01:01.16`	`annma`	`tools/`
`01:01.17`	`SbCl3`	`now i'm stuck with a full office :/`
`01:01.19`	`annma`	`templates/`
`01:01.29`	`qknight`	`annma: hey`
`01:01.29`	`annma`	`SbCl3: I did not say all`
`01:01.31`	`qknight`	`annma: your back?`
`01:01.35`	`annma`	`yep`
`01:01.42`	`pookey`	`annma: did you look in your config.log ?`
`01:01.46`	`annma`	`anisX: Mahfouf`
`01:01.58`	`annma`	`pookey: I did it is run time`
`01:02.10`	`annma`	`but maybe your aspell or whatever is not in the path`
`01:02.16`	`anisX`	`annma: christ ?`
`01:02.21`	`pookey`	`annma: I thought so :) well.. it is, that's the oddity.`
`01:02.29`	`annma`	`anisX: pardon?`
`01:02.48`	`annma`	`pookey: just try another dict, ok/`
`01:02.56`	`annma`	`surely you don't have only 1`
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`01:03.15`	`pookey`	`annma: I can install ispell I guess :)`
`01:03.39`	`anisX`	`annma: nothing auntie anne ;p`
`01:03.51`	`annma`	`pookey: yes, aspell works well here`
`01:03.54`	`SMiLeaf`	`definitely obvous annma is a girl.. lol ... how many conversations are you handling atm?.. hehe ..`
`01:03.58`	`annma`	`pookey: what kmail version is it?`
`01:04.07`	`annma`	`SMiLeaf: ;-)`
`01:04.08`	`pookey`	`annma: latest SVN build.`
`01:04.15`	`annma`	`pookey: so kde 3.5`
`01:04.26`	`annma`	`pookey: I confirm Aspell works here`
`01:04.31`	`annma`	`in kmail`
`01:04.54`	`pookey`	`annma: if I open aterm, and echo $PATH, will that path be the same path KDE is looking at ?`
`01:05.06`	`pookey`	`annma: I guess not, becasue it will be sourcing my .bash_profile etc.`
`01:05.27`	`annma`	`sourcing your bash_profile is done in eterm`
`01:05.31`	`annma`	`aterm`
`01:05.36`	`annma`	`use Konsole!!!`
`01:05.44`	`pookey`	`I do use konsole actually ;)`
`01:05.59`	`annma`	`ah, I hate these *term things`
`01:06.13`	`pookey`	`the fact bash_profile is sourced was exactly my point... how do I get what KDE is currently using as the PATH ?`
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`01:06.19`	`annma`	`so when you are in konsole, your .bash_profile is loaded`
`01:06.43`	`annma`	`when you log in kde with your user, the user .bash_profile is read`
`01:06.53`	`annma`	`it's how I lig in different kde versions`
`01:06.56`	`annma`	`log`
`01:07.09`	`pookey`	`so in theory, the path in the kde env will be the same as that in my konsole env`
`01:07.56`	`annma`	`yes of course`
`01:08.01`	`annma`	`if you are the same user`
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`01:08.20`	`annma`	`except if you amended the path manually`
`01:08.24`	`pookey`	`Right, in that case, aspell is definatly in path. and if spelling is handled at runtime, I just cna't understand whats goign wrong`
`01:08.26`	`annma`	`after login in`
`01:08.37`	`annma`	`well as I said it works here`
`01:08.45`	`annma`	`no problem at all`
`01:09.11`	`annma`	`I htink that when I change language it might even load the correct one as well, not sure though`
`01:09.44`	`pookey`	`annma: well.. if I use ispell, it works`
`01:09.47`	`pookey`	`but not aspell`
`01:09.54`	`pookey`	`(only justfound this out, only just installed ispell)`
`01:10.12`	`pookey`	`and ispell and aspell are in the same path`
`01:10.14`	`annma`	`pookey: check that with your gentoo people`
`01:10.22`	`annma`	`maybe your aspell is messed`
`01:10.34`	`pookey`	`annma: if that's the case, KDE shouldn't be telling me it can't find it`
`01:10.48`	`annma`	`pookey: don't be smarter than devels here`
`01:11.23`	`annma`	`should it tell you: hey, I found a weird aspell from a gentoo ebuild which is correctly installed but misses some libs?`
`01:11.35`	`pookey`	`annma: I beleive the error to be incorrect. I'm not trying to be smart`
`01:12.00`	`pookey`	`annma: it shoudln't say aspell isnt' found in path is it if. It should error with the output of aspell, or perhaps 'incompatable versoin of aspell found'`
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`01:13.01`	`stodge`	`What's the new search technology for KDE called? Like Apple's spotlight`
`01:13.12`	`pookey`	`cept ideally, an error message woudln't contain my bad spelling/typing ;)`
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`01:17.46`	Chambers`	`hey guys, what's the command that i should put for my email client in opera? I'm using Kontact.. is it kmail and then some string so it will make a new email?`
`01:18.25`	`pookey`	`annma: what version of aspell do you have there out of interest ?`
`01:18.47`	Chambers`	`found it`
`01:18.49`	Chambers`	`kmail [-s %s] [--body %b] [%t]`
`01:19.32`	`annma`	`0.60 it seems`
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`01:20.17`	`pookey`	`perhaps it's an incompatability with newer versions then. I'm using 0.63. What version of ispell does 0.6 say it is in the version output ?`
`01:20.34`	`pookey`	`no, I'm using 0.60.3 actaully.`
`01:20.57`	`pookey`	`I'm happy now it's working with ispell, but I honestly think this might be a bug that needs reporting.`
`01:21.01`	`annma`	`International Ispell Version 3.1.20`
`01:21.16`	`annma`	`if it's a bug why does it work for me?`
`01:21.31`	`Alethes`	`annma: developers are immune from bugs :)`
`01:21.35`	`annma`	`lol`
`01:21.39`	`pookey`	`the only difference I can see if you are using a lower version of aspell`
`01:21.41`	`annma`	`I report some quite ofte`
`01:21.49`	`annma`	`pookey: and I compiled by myself`
`01:22.25`	`annma`	`maybe your aspell misses something`
`01:22.35`	`pookey`	`annma: but it's done at runtime, we've already agreed that. if it can find ispell in $PATH,but apparently not aspell, (which is also in /usr/bin)`
`01:22.39`	`annma`	`pookey: first look at gentoo forums`
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`01:22.46`	`SbCl3`	`compared to inkscape, karbon is quite disappointing :/`
`01:22.52`	`annma`	`SbCl3: of course`
`01:22.57`	`pookey`	`annma: IMO, this is irrelevent even if this is a gentoo problem, the error is misleading.`
`01:23.32`	`SbCl3`	`i guess i should waste my learning energy over inkscape, then`
`01:23.33`	`annma`	`pookey: well if you want do a bug report but then at least propose a better error message`
`01:23.44`	`annma`	`SbCl3: Karbon is quite new`
`01:23.54`	`annma`	`inkscape is mature`
`01:24.10`	`pookey`	`I'll have a look at the source before I report the bug`
`01:24.16`	`annma`	`pookey: but you should investigate better on how your aspell is installed`
`01:24.35`	`annma`	`reinstall it for example and pipe the make install output`
`01:25.03`	`pookey`	`http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70606`
`01:25.11`	`annma`	`look in gentoo forums about aspell problems to see if you can find something precise`
`01:25.29`	`pookey`	`looks like it might be as simple as a missing language file....`
`01:25.44`	`pookey`	`I'll most a comment on that bug suggesting a better error message`
`01:25.59`	`pookey`	`having spent about an hour looking into this, I guess I should really get on with some work ;)`
`01:26.29`	`SuperLag`	`annma: How is my favorite ornery French lady? :)`
`01:26.39`	`annma`	`lol`
`01:27.03`	`SuperLag`	`annma: you know it's true, and that I'm right. :)`
`01:27.09`	`annma`	`;)`
`01:27.37`	`annma`	`you're in compliment mode?`
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`01:28.31`	`SuperLag`	`annma: got a new job.`
`01:28.39`	`annma`	`:)) nice?`
`01:28.58`	`bushwakko`	`is kdm theme manager supposed to be included in kde 3.5 beta?`
`01:29.07`	`SuperLag`	`annma: and we use SUSE... must admit, it's a pain compared to Gentoo (since it uses RPM) but SUSE 10.0 is NICE`
`01:29.12`	`pookey`	`heh, this aspell problem is a bug left from KDE 3.2 beta 2,`
`01:29.15`	`SuperLag`	`annma: and yes, really good job`
`01:29.21`	`pookey`	`anyway, I've updated the bug, I'm out of here, thanks for your help annma :)`
`01:29.29`	`annma`	`SuperLag: congrats`
`01:29.39`	`SuperLag`	`annma: genes.cs.wustl.edu`
`01:29.43`	`Tm_T`	`pookey: oh :o`
`01:29.47`	`SuperLag`	`bioscience cluster`
`01:29.52`	`pookey`	`ph, hi Tm_T :)`
`01:30.06`	`Tm_T`	`"hi"`
`01:30.10`	`pookey`	`Tm_T: I fixed my spell checker problem.`
`01:30.13`	`pookey`	`Tm_T: are you following me ? :)`
`01:30.15`	`Tm_T`	`yes`
`01:30.21`	`Tm_T`	`please tell`
`01:30.53`	`annma`	`pookey: you're not on a 64 bit arch?`
`01:30.56`	`pookey`	`Tm_T: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70606 that's the bug, I've installed ispell for now, it's working for the moment. I'm investingating more about what's wrong with aspell at the moment though`
`01:31.10`	`pookey`	`annma: nah, I'm still on a crappy 2400XP :)`
`01:31.27`	`annma`	`;)`
`01:31.30`	`pookey`	`it's somewhat ironic that I always seem to spell aspell wrong, and put asepll`
`01:31.31`	`SuperLag`	`Linux zoom 2.6.13-gentoo-r3 #1 Wed Oct 5 14:47:07 CDT 2005 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux`
`01:32.12`	`Tm_T`	`pookey: currenyt?`
`01:32.23`	`pookey`	`current`
`01:33.00`	`pookey`	`last time he brought a desktop PC, it was a dual 3.4HT xeon`
`01:33.05`	`Tm_T`	`:)`
`01:33.09`	`pookey`	`so I really should put my arse in gear ;)`
`01:33.49`	`pookey`	`grr. .my cats, nocternal streatures, have beaten me to bed.... that's so wrong`
`01:33.50`	`SuperLag`	`incredible waste of power, since it's just a desktop machine`
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`01:37.01`	`pookey`	`right, bye for now all. thanks again annma :)`
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`01:55.06`	`Lenolium`	`I'm running debian/sid, KDE 3.4, and I'm wondering how to get it so I can have a 3x3 desktop setup. I had it setup in the version of KDE I just upgraded from, but the setting aparently didn't properly migrate.`
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`01:56.42`	`annma`	`Lenolium: #debian-kde is the channel for you`
`01:56.53`	`Lenolium`	`annma: Thanks.`
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`02:01.53`	`_annma`	`test`
`02:02.16`	`bushwakko`	`is kdm theme manager supposed to be included in kde 3.5 beta?`
`02:02.55`	`Hobbsee`	`bushwakko: dont think so, it's not here`
`02:03.16`	`bushwakko`	`:/`
`02:03.19`	`bushwakko`	`that sucks`
`02:03.33`	`bushwakko`	`a little weird though, that kdm supports themes, but doesnt have a manager`
`02:03.34`	`Hobbsee`	`you can compile it, i presume`
`02:03.43`	`bushwakko`	`even though one exists`
`02:03.43`	`Hobbsee`	`apparently the theme manager is a few bugs`
`02:03.47`	`Hobbsee`	`i wish it did!`
`02:03.49`	`annma`	`does it have themes?`
`02:04.00`	`bushwakko`	`well, lots of stuff has a few bugs`
`02:04.01`	`Hobbsee`	`what, kdm themes?`
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`02:04.13`	`Hobbsee`	`no, not that i've found`
`02:04.15`	`annma`	`is there many kdm themes around?`
`02:04.17`	`chavo`	`the theme manager is still too buggy`
`02:04.17`	`Hobbsee`	`there's the one that comes with the distro`
`02:04.22`	`Hobbsee`	`yeah, kde-look.org`
`02:04.30`	`bushwakko`	`emerging it now`
`02:04.43`	`bushwakko`	`chavo: what's wrong with it?`
`02:05.17`	`chavo`	`bushwakko, well it doesn't remember the themes, I have to add them each time I run it`
`02:05.29`	`bushwakko`	`also a few other things that really should be included soon is "rubberband" selector like in gnome`
`02:05.36`	`bushwakko`	`and like auto-applying`
`02:05.46`	`chavo`	`as often as I change the kdm theme it's easier to edit kdmrc`
`02:05.49`	`bushwakko`	`pushing apply to test something is really redundant`
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`02:06.24`	`bushwakko`	`chavo: if you're a newbie, manually downlaoding a file and editing a textfile is too much work`
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`02:06.40`	`bushwakko`	`kdm-manager with knewhotstuff would be great`
`02:06.44`	`chavo`	`bushwakko, I didn't write any of this stuff`
`02:07.00`	`chavo`	`don't kill the messenger dude`
`02:07.03`	`bushwakko`	`hehe`
`02:07.05`	`bushwakko`	`no killing`
`02:07.11`	`bushwakko`	`checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!`
`02:07.26`	`bushwakko`	`anyway, I get this with kdmtheme`
`02:07.26`	`chavo`	`bushwakko, get the code and start cracking on it`
`02:07.35`	`bushwakko`	`what does this mean?`
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`02:08.04`	`chavo`	`bushwakko, looks like your qt build is messed up`
`02:08.26`	`bushwakko`	`[ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.4-r8`
`02:08.29`	`bushwakko`	`is what I have`
`02:08.34`	`bushwakko`	`no other problems`
`02:08.45`	`bushwakko`	`but back to the rubberband selector`
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`02:08.57`	`bushwakko`	`gnome allready has it, should only be a simple copypaste to get it`
`02:09.03`	`chavo`	`did you build it with the threaded option to configure?`
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`02:09.35`	`chavo`	`bushwakko, file a bug, download the patch, don't bitch to me about free software that I didn't write`
`02:09.43`	`bushwakko`	`no bitching`
`02:09.49`	`gregday`	`bushwakko: a simple copy and paste to implement one feature of "gnome" (nautilus?) to Qt? Yeah, sure.`
`02:09.49`	`bushwakko`	`just suggesting`
`02:09.53`	`chavo`	`rubberband would be the first thing I turned off anyway`
`02:10.10`	`chavo`	`there's a patch for it. search kde-look.org`
`02:10.15`	`bushwakko`	`gregday: well, the drawing perhaps`
`02:10.41`	`gregday`	`bushwakko: i highly doubt it. Gtk and Qt are completely unlike.`
`02:10.58`	`chavo`	`but it's real slow unless you have accelerated xorg driver`
`02:11.09`	`bushwakko`	`chavo: but it's really fast in gnome`
`02:11.16`	`bushwakko`	`though I use ati and fglrx`
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`02:11.25`	`bushwakko`	`just tested gnome 2.12 today`
`02:11.28`	`chavo`	`bushwakko, once again you're barking up the wrong tree`
`02:11.39`	`bushwakko`	`again, no barking`
`02:11.47`	`bushwakko`	`just healty discussion`
`02:12.12`	`chavo`	`well you did see the part where I mentioned there's a patch for rubberband?`
`02:12.24`	`bushwakko`	`yup`
`02:12.45`	`chavo`	`it's on in kubuntu by default`
`02:13.21`	`chavo`	`so it works well enough for one distro to include it`
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`02:13.42`	`Hobbsee`	`chavo: say what? what's on kubuntu by default?`
`02:14.04`	`chavo`	`Hobbsee, the rubberband selection patch for konq, is in breezy`
`02:14.10`	`JabberWokky`	`Must be in Breezy... not in the latest Hoary updates (not the ones in the KDE announcements). Regardless, the best venue would be http://appeal.kde.org/wiki/Appeal , and I'd imagine they know about it.`
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`02:14.35`	`Hobbsee`	`oh, i thought you meant the kdm theme program`
`02:15.00`	`Hobbsee`	`rubberband selection...wonder what that is`
`02:15.06`	`Frogbarf`	`i'm looking for a clock applet that will display zulu time. The normal "clock" seems to show timezones but not zulu`
`02:15.47`	`chavo`	`Hobbsee, it's the semi transparent selection thing when selecting multiple files with your mouse`
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`02:16.15`	`grepper`	`Frogbarf: pick another city with the same timezone ?`
`02:16.27`	`Hobbsee`	`chavo: oh that! i was wondering what that was!`
`02:16.31`	`Hobbsee`	`pretty neat that`
`02:16.43`	`Frogbarf`	`grepper, that doesn't work because it shouldn't change with DST`
`02:16.58`	`Frogbarf`	`UTC stays the same all year round`
`02:17.05`	`chavo`	`Hobbsee, I don't use the kubuntu packages, does it work well?`
`02:17.10`	`Hobbsee`	`yeah, seems to`
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`02:17.46`	`Hobbsee`	`yep, it still lets you select in multiple boxes as well`
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`02:18.20`	`chavo`	`from what I've heard it's slow unaccelerated video drivers though`
`02:18.23`	`JabberWokky`	`Hobbsee: Heh. Never noticed that until you mentioned it,`
`02:18.59`	`grepper`	`hm, I just noticed the nptdate option in the configure clock dialogue`
`02:19.10`	`grepper`	`seems like just a one time thing though`
`02:19.29`	`Hobbsee`	`:P`
`02:20.14`	`chavo`	`grepper, ubuntu syncs the clock at each boot`
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`02:26.48`	`syahira2`	`heloooooooooooooooooo`
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`02:27.02`	`JabberWokky`	`Yes?`
`02:27.16`	`putri`	`wanna chat withme?`
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`02:29.15`	`putri`	`helooooooooooooooooooooooo`
`02:29.21`	`DJ-KING`	`guys , i am using debian (testing) and i need to install kde , is there an apt-get for kde ?`
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`02:31.23`	`htedrom`	`hey guys....my k3b won't burn cue/bins`
`02:32.05`	`Hobbsee`	`DJ-KING: #debian-kde`
`02:32.37`	`DJ-KING`	`thanks Hobbsee`
`02:32.44`	`Hobbsee`	`DJ-KING: no problems`
`02:32.58`	`Hobbsee`	`it's in the faq there i think`
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`02:33.45`	`puput`	`helooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo`
`02:34.50`	`gregmon-pterando`	`Hi. I'm using Kanotix and running Blender. I find that an action i want Blender to take in response to Alt-D ain't working. Some blamed KDE hotkeys`
`02:35.05`	`puput`	`wanna chat with me?`
`02:36.14`	`JabberWokky`	`gregmon-pterando: Control Center >> Regional & Accesibility >> Keyboard Shortcuts`
`02:36.34`	`JabberWokky`	`The global shortcuts are there.`
`02:38.38`	`JabberWokky`	`(And in Khotkeys, but I assume you checked there by the way you phrased the question... also in Regional & Accessibility).`
`02:39.02`	`gregmon-pterando`	`Yes, thanks, i looked there and never saw an Alt-D. So I suppose it's a wild goose chase to blame KDE?`
`02:39.30`	`JabberWokky`	`Probably. What happens when you hit Alt-D?`
`02:41.10`	`gregmon-pterando`	`nothing`
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`02:43.11`	`JabberWokky`	`I have no ideas off the top of my head. Does Blender have reassignable keys? (I imagine it does, most specialized apps do, but I've not used Blender)`
`02:44.06`	`JabberWokky`	`If you're paranoid, and want to be sure, you can log out and log back in under a minimal WM like fluxbox and run it. That would be a quick "Is it KDE catching the keystroke" check...`
`02:44.31`	`gregmon-pterando`	`k thankz`
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`02:56.05`	`gregmon-pterando`	`just tried some more things and found a quirky scenario where Alt-D did work in Blender. So it's blender's fault, not KDE.`
`02:56.13`	`gregmon-pterando`	`thanks nevertheless. bye`
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`02:59.37`	`surfer`	`hello`
`02:59.47`	`surfer`	`anyone knows where can i get mandrake 10 wallpapers`
`02:59.54`	`surfer`	`i messed it up and lost all my wallpapers :\`
`03:02.47`	`Roey`	`hi`
`03:02.58`	`SuperLag`	`Does Kate have vi key mappings?`
`03:03.41`	`Roey`	`a problem with k3b: I get this error with cdrecord: "Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root? : Operation not permitted". How do I fix this permissions problem?`
`03:04.29`	`SuperLag`	`run k3b_setup, I think it is.`
`03:05.26`	`Roey`	`ok`
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`03:05.30`	`Roey`	`and specify what?`
`03:05.37`	`Roey`	`SuperLag: I've tried differnet htings.`
`03:08.39`	`SuperLag`	`Roey: I'm not sure. Usually the "Is cdrecord installed SUID root?" is indicative that k3b_setup hasn't been run yet.`
`03:09.49`	`Roey`	`ok`
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`03:10.58`	`surfer`	`anybody?`
`03:11.05`	`surfer`	`where can i get those wallpapers?`
`03:11.08`	`surfer`	`as in from the net`
`03:11.17`	`surfer`	`i looked in kde-look but they ain there`
`03:11.19`	`surfer`	`t*`
`03:11.26`	`frb`	`wallpapers are just big images`
`03:11.31`	`surfer`	`no way`
`03:11.32`	`frb`	`SuperLag: use kvim?`
`03:11.33`	`surfer`	`-_-`
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`03:14.19`	`SuperLag`	`I deleted the Kontact icon from my panel, by mistake, and I can't find which menu it's in to readd it.`
`03:14.27`	`SuperLag`	`frb: I don't.`
`03:14.54`	`frb`	`SuperLag: I'm suggesting it since you wanted vi keybindings`
`03:15.16`	`Roey`	`I ran k3bsetup and stracing the process, I see that it is hanging on "connect(8, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/ksocket-roey/kdesud_:0"}, 29". What is this???`
`03:15.26`	`SuperLag`	`kvim is not the most stable creature, and just opening for the first time on this install corroborates what I just said :)`
`03:15.34`	`jhutchins`	`surfer: kdeartwork-3.4.2-3mdk`
`03:15.43`	`grepper`	`Roey: dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord`
`03:15.49`	`grepper`	`and choose suid root`
`03:16.38`	`grepper`	`http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2005/10/msg00039.html`
`03:16.44`	`Roey`	`grepper: oh... ok`
`03:16.45`	`Roey`	`mm`
`03:17.02`	`jhutchins`	`SuperLag: It's in Internet/Mail on Manrdiva 2006.`
`03:17.36`	`jhutchins`	`SuperLag: Use the menu editor if you can't find it, or add something else then change it's properties.`
`03:19.35`	`Roey`	`damnit!`
`03:19.42`	`Roey`	`grepper: k3bsetup doesn't come up! it just hangs there.`
`03:19.57`	`grepper`	`Roey: don't bother then`
`03:19.58`	`Roey`	`grepper: like I said, I staced the process and it's just doing this connect() thing.. it's blocking onit`
`03:20.01`	`Roey`	`grepper: with k3b?`
`03:20.17`	`grepper`	`do the dpkg-reconfigure thang`
`03:20.36`	`Roey`	`oh what?`
`03:20.39`	`Roey`	`on cdrecord?`
`03:20.40`	`Roey`	`I did that.`
`03:20.48`	`Roey`	`lemme try burning again.`
`03:20.50`	`grepper`	`and it still doesn't work ?`
`03:23.21`	`Roey`	`Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root?`
`03:23.22`	`Roey`	`: Operation not permitted`
`03:23.25`	`Roey`	`nope, doesn't work still.`
`03:23.54`	`Roey`	`I wonder why the hell k3bsetup doesn't come`
`03:23.58`	`grepper`	`back to the command line I guess`
`03:24.54`	`Roey`	`arg :(`
`03:25.58`	`surfer`	`Playing: Sarah Mclaughlin ~x~ Will You Remember Me ~x~ Track #1134`
`03:27.24`	`Roey`	`grepper: ide-cd module should be loaded right?`
`03:28.57`	`grepper`	`mine is built in so I'm not even sure anymore`
`03:30.39`	`Roey`	`grepper: ok... I think it's because I didn't specify ATAPI:0,0,0 as the value for dev= in the commandline for cdrecord.`
`03:30.39`	`Roey`	`now`
`03:30.45`	`Roey`	`how do I fix it in k3b?/`
`03:31.15`	`Roey`	`plus, everything SLOWS DOWN`
`03:31.16`	`grepper`	`you can customize program commands somewhere`
`03:31.24`	`Roey`	`i mean`
`03:31.28`	`grepper`	`but I just use dev=/dev/hdc`
`03:31.29`	`Roey`	`this is ridiculous`
`03:32.37`	`grepper`	`yep`
`03:33.21`	`grepper`	`now k3bsetup wants to take off the suid bit on cdrecord`
`03:33.27`	`grepper`	`thanksfully, I never use it :)`
`03:34.08`	`Roey`	`ah`
`03:34.13`	`Roey`	`grepper: so you don't burn as root?`
`03:34.44`	`surfer`	`www.omegairc.org/slackware.jpg`
`03:34.56`	`Roey`	`I don't understand why assigning burning rights to users is such a big security deal.`
`03:35.48`	`Roey`	`surfer: heh`
`03:35.55`	`grepper`	`Roey: no`
`03:35.58`	`surfer`	`:D`
`03:36.09`	`Roey`	`grepper: oh?`
`03:36.14`	`Roey`	`("oh, no!")`
`03:37.21`	`grepper`	`nope, I've been using growisofs as user`
`03:37.52`	`Roey`	`oh`
`03:37.52`	`Roey`	`ok`
`03:37.54`	`grepper`	`or mkisofs and cdrecord`
`03:37.58`	`Roey`	`what for, may I ask?`
`03:38.29`	`grepper`	`I made a dvd for my mother of old super8 childhood movies`
`03:38.29`	`grepper`	`nice menu and everything`
`03:38.32`	`Roey`	`ah :)`
`03:38.37`	`EruditeHermit`	`how do you make menus?`
`03:38.38`	`grepper`	`seperated into clips, it was a mess before`
`03:38.53`	`grepper`	`dvdstyler is a pretty good app`
`03:39.09`	`grepper`	`and I used gimp and layers to make the bg pic a little nicer`
`03:39.28`	`EruditeHermit`	`hal is cool`
`03:39.49`	`EruditeHermit`	`my cdrom drive now pops up an icon when I insert a CD`
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`03:42.49`	`EruditeHermit`	`dvdstyler looks cool`
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`03:49.49`	`WesTAcE`	`what is the best music player for linux???`
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`03:49.58`	`WesTAcE`	`whats the best music player for linux??`
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`03:50.23`	`SuperLag`	`WesTAcE: what is your favorite breakfast food?`
`03:50.49`	`WesTAcE`	`my favorite breakfast food is answer my above question`
`03:50.50`	`grepper`	`Roey: phebehouse.dyndns.org/dvdstyler/images.html <- which main menu look do you like better ?`
`03:52.59`	`Roey`	`Timeout on server`
`03:52.59`	`Roey`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:53.29`	`Roey`	`grepper: I couldn't get it to load`
`03:53.36`	`Roey`	`grepper: (btw, going to sleep; good night :)`
`03:53.38`	`grepper`	`hm`
`03:53.40`	`grepper`	`night`
`03:54.18`	`WesTAcE`	`uhh anyone know if its possible to switch from GNOME to KDE??`
`03:55.11`	`grepper`	`Roey: sorry, just remembered I had to reset my router the other night after probs and didn't open up 80 again`
`03:55.23`	`frb`	`WesTAcE: anything is possible`
`03:55.53`	`WesTAcE`	`how do i??`
`03:56.03`	`WesTAcE`	`i want to try KDE, im new to linux (obviously)`
`03:57.21`	`frb`	`WesTAcE: install it via yast, then pick it on the graphical login screen`
`03:57.25`	`surfer`	`WesTAcE`
`03:57.29`	`surfer`	`type xwmconfig`
`03:57.31`	`surfer`	`and`
`03:57.37`	`surfer`	`select kde`
`03:57.39`	`surfer`	`then startx`
`03:57.54`	`WesTAcE`	`ok`
`03:57.56`	`WesTAcE`	`ty`
`03:57.58`	`surfer`	`yw`
`03:59.34`	`grepper`	`should work now`
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`04:04.38`	`litage`	`when i type a URL into konqueror, instead of loading the page, it downloads the page into /tmp and then runs firefox, which loads the temp file. how can i fix this?`
`04:06.01`	`JabberWokky`	`You've associated text/html with Firefox. Go to Settings... hang on...`
`04:06.10`	`JabberWokky`	`Configure Konqueror, File Associations.`
`04:06.27`	`JabberWokky`	`I did the same thing with Kate once. Oops.`
`04:07.10`	`surfer`	`kate is sexy`
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`04:08.22`	`litage`	`JabberWokky: in file associations > text > html, the "application preference order" is konqueror, quanta plus, kimagemapeditor, firefox...`
`04:08.37`	`JabberWokky`	`Kate will get immesurably more sexy when scripting is released with 3.5 (it's still in 3.5, right?). I keep opening the command bar and typing random things and wishing I could code for it.`
`04:08.45`	`surfer`	`lol`
`04:09.16`	`JabberWokky`	`litage: Is it set to "Open in External Application" or "Show in Embedded Viewer" (I'm guessing at the wording). Should be Embedded.`
`04:10.17`	`litage`	`the Embedded tab for text > html is set to "show file in embedded viewer"`
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`04:11.15`	`JabberWokky`	`And KHTML is set as the top embedded viewer?`
`04:11.26`	`JabberWokky`	`Is this for all websites or just one?`
`04:11.39`	`surfer`	`just dun set firefox as the default application to view stuff`
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`04:11.47`	`surfer`	`firefox is gheee`
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`04:12.37`	`javb`	`how can i make the kde menu list (the one that appears when i hi de Kmenu Buttom transparent?)`
`04:13.03`	`surfer`	`the kmenu ?`
`04:13.08`	`surfer`	`or the taskbar`
`04:13.56`	`JabberWokky`	`javb: Turn on transparent menus, IIRC. I don't use transparency.`
`04:14.26`	`javb`	`mmm THE MENU.`
`04:14.32`	`javb`	`KDE 3.4`
`04:14.33`	`JabberWokky`	`Yes.`
`04:14.44`	`javb`	`JabberWokky i CANT find the option.`
`04:15.16`	`javb`	`IIRC ?`
`04:15.39`	`WesTAcE`	`i can't even play music in amarok`
`04:15.42`	`surfer`	`i dunno how to do that`
`04:15.47`	`surfer`	`WesTAcE`
`04:15.49`	`surfer`	`you on suse?`
`04:15.52`	`surfer`	`personal?`
`04:15.53`	`JabberWokky`	`Control Center >> Appearance and Themes >> Style, Effects Tab`
`04:15.56`	`WesTAcE`	`suse personal yes`
`04:16.10`	`surfer`	`i doubt u can have full control of the customization with suse`
`04:16.11`	`surfer`	`in fact`
`04:16.15`	`WesTAcE`	`i double click a song and it just goes through the list`
`04:16.19`	`surfer`	`with suse personal u canot even compile`
`04:16.22`	`JabberWokky`	`Enable GUI effects, Menu Style == Transparent.`
`04:16.24`	`surfer`	`cannot*`
`04:16.31`	`WesTAcE`	`hmm`
`04:16.34`	`surfer`	`yup`
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`04:16.39`	`surfer`	`open a shell`
`04:16.41`	`WesTAcE`	`xmms won't even add mp3 files to my play list`
`04:16.45`	`surfer`	`and look if the make`
`04:16.49`	`javb`	`thanks JabberWokky..`
`04:16.51`	`surfer`	`or make install are working`
`04:16.56`	`JabberWokky`	`javb: No problem.`
`04:17.05`	`javb`	`do you have any idea how i can change the Kmenu Buttom..?`
`04:17.12`	`WesTAcE`	`yes they are both working`
`04:17.42`	`surfer`	`javb the image?`
`04:17.46`	`javb`	`yes`
`04:17.48`	`litage`	`JabberWokky: yes, khtml is the first embedded viewer. neither konq nor firefox are listed for some reason. should they be?`
`04:18.11`	`surfer`	`um its /opt/kde/share/icons/(your icon scheme)/`
`04:18.20`	`JabberWokky`	`javb: Now that I can't help you off the top of my head with. Never really tried.`
`04:18.20`	`surfer`	`u find folders with their size`
`04:18.25`	`surfer`	`16x16`
`04:18.30`	`surfer`	`32x32 and so on`
`04:18.34`	`surfer`	`override the kmenu.png`
`04:18.40`	`surfer`	`for the one you like most`
`04:18.43`	`surfer`	`restart kde`
`04:18.45`	`surfer`	`and thats it`
`04:18.56`	`javb`	`surfer THANKS.`
`04:18.57`	`surfer`	`this is mine, if u like it i send u the star`
`04:19.00`	`javb`	`lets tryit.`
`04:19.04`	`surfer`	`go to www.omegairc.org/slackware1.jpg`
`04:19.07`	`javb`	`JabberWokky thanks.. dont worry.`
`04:19.13`	`JabberWokky`	`litage: No, Firefox can't embed. Odd... try saving an html file and viewing it on your local disk.`
`04:19.52`	`litage`	`JabberWokky: it opens in konq when i do that`
`04:20.30`	`JabberWokky`	`I missed your answer to an earlier question: is this happening for just one website or for all websites?`
`04:20.49`	`litage`	`JabberWokky: ah sorry, i didn't see that q. as far as i can tell, it happens for all sites`
`04:20.55`	`JabberWokky`	`(It's possible a single website is sending some oddball mimetype other than html)`
`04:21.00`	`JabberWokky`	`Hunh.`
`04:21.07`	`JabberWokky`	`REALLY odd. OH!`
`04:21.10`	`JabberWokky`	`Duh`
`04:21.14`	`surfer`	`hah`
`04:21.15`	`JabberWokky`	`Control Panel - Default browser?`
`04:22.03`	`JabberWokky`	`KDE Components >> Component Chooser`
`04:22.40`	`JabberWokky`	`I have never changed it... actually, that's probably not it (in retrospect... it seemed like such a great "Ah! That's the problem")`
`04:23.12`	`litage`	`JabberWokky: "open http and https URLs" is set to "x-debian-apps-net-mozilla_firefox"`
`04:23.45`	`JabberWokky`	`I think you found the problem. Was it in the Component Chooser?`
`04:23.56`	`litage`	`yes`
`04:24.23`	`JabberWokky`	`Try changing it and click here: http://www.kde.org/`
`04:24.37`	`JabberWokky`	`(Assuming you use a KDE IRC app)`
`04:25.28`	`litage`	`JabberWokky: why would setting the default browser to firefox force konqueror (in webbrowser profile) to send URLs to firefox?`
`04:26.01`	`litage`	`JabberWokky: firefox should be my default browser, but i should still be able to load pages in konq`
`04:26.19`	`JabberWokky`	`Because all links kick up the browser you choose, including URLs in Konqueror.`
`04:26.38`	`frb`	`because then konquerer is just a file browswer`
`04:26.50`	`JabberWokky`	`I am not sure why it kicks it over to /tmp rather than passing the URL to the app.`
`04:28.01`	`litage`	`that behaviour is absurd though. if i type a url into konq, it should load the url regardless of what the default browser is. if i [double-]click on a url, only then should it use the default browser`
`04:28.35`	`javb`	`surfer ?`
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`04:28.39`	`mer`	`javb`
`04:29.00`	`javb`	`/opt/kde isnt there?`
`04:29.09`	`mer`	`try /opt/kde3/ ?`
`04:29.15`	`javb`	`no`
`04:29.18`	`javb`	`nothing..`
`04:29.23`	`mer`	`odd`
`04:29.33`	`mer`	`i just checked`
`04:30.00`	`mer`	`my path to file is /opt/kde/share/icons/crystalsvg/<size>/apps/kmenu.png`
`04:30.33`	`javb`	`let me see`
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`04:39.17`	`DaSkreech`	`Me wants 3.5`
`04:39.39`	`thiago`	`download it`
`04:39.52`	`DaSkreech`	`It' supposed to drop in November?`
`04:40.00`	`thiago`	`beta 2 exists already`
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`04:41.13`	`JabberWokky`	`The new Koffice is pretty stable. I use it everyday, upgraded last night, and so far so good... did some invoices and a few letters, opened some documents sent to me. Looks nice. Not much new.`
`04:42.02`	`DaSkreech`	`thiago: real reason I want 3.5 is so they can boogie on KDE4 :-D`
`04:43.03`	`DaSkreech`	`Should be fun to have a KDE with vision (As it's being termed)`
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`04:43.12`	`spstarr`	`Where do i go to discuss bugs in kmail?`
`04:43.28`	`spstarr`	`kmail is progressively becoming slower and slower at downloading email`
`04:43.37`	`spstarr`	`Maildir format becoming fragmented too much?`
`04:43.38`	`spstarr`	`:(`
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`04:47.25`	`freddy`	`Have a question guys... yesterday I connected my computer to my TV... have a Sony TV with a S-Video connection... the thing is, I was able to see Windows on my TV screen but when I tried logging into Linux... all I got was a blank screen, any ideas if I'm able to do the same on linux as in Windows?`
`04:47.41`	`DaSkreech`	`http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/ is the place to watch for mid granular reports on KDE4?`
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`04:56.28`	`thiago`	`spstarr: maildir is supposed to be ok`
`04:56.37`	`thiago`	`mbox is slow and space-inefficient`
`04:57.10`	`thiago`	`freddy: find the manual for the X video card driver and find out how to turn the TV-Out plug on`
`04:57.12`	`JabberWokky`	`freddy: Try #linux. Or look into your video driver. It's not really a KDE issue.`
`04:58.24`	`freddy`	`Have a Nvidia geforce video card installed...`
`04:58.38`	`spstarr`	`thiago, hmm, downloading 50 emails too a long time lots of disk usage`
`04:58.50`	`spstarr`	`i clean the inbox and compress`
`04:58.53`	`spstarr`	`still`
`04:58.56`	`JabberWokky`	`freddy: It's your X configuration. Try Googling "Linux TV-out Geforce"`
`04:59.04`	`spstarr`	`i have old email going back from last year`
`04:59.09`	`spstarr`	`in other folders`
`04:59.42`	`freddy`	`JabberWokky: Ok, will look into it...`
`05:00.31`	`JabberWokky`	`freddy: It's just one of those things where it's not a KDE issue so it's juts luck if someone here has the same setup. You're better off asking in an X forum.`
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`05:00.57`	`JabberWokky`	`Try #xorg`
`05:01.03`	`freddy`	`JabberWokky: What forum do you recommend?`
`05:01.38`	`JabberWokky`	`I have no idea how active they are, but I just hopped into #xorg , and there are certainly quite a few people in there.`
`05:02.06`	`freddy`	`Ok... thanks for the tip.`
`05:02.14`	`thiago`	`spstarr: how big is your inbox?`
`05:04.38`	`chavo`	`the bad thing about kmail is it's unusable while downloading mail`
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`05:05.45`	`thiago`	`works fine here`
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`05:07.32`	`rutski89`	`Kmail won't show my encrypted messages (messages I get that are encrypted with my public key meant for me to read)`
`05:07.51`	`rutski89`	`it's never asked me for a passphrase, and I don't know how to feed it my passphrase`
`05:08.03`	`thiago`	`are those inline or MIME PGP?`
`05:08.14`	`rutski89`	`pgp ala gpg`
`05:08.14`	`rutski89`	`yes`
`05:08.29`	`rutski89`	`although I can send out encrypted messages just fine`
`05:08.35`	`thiago`	`please don't answer "yes" to the "or" question`
`05:08.38`	`thiago`	`which of the two?`
`05:08.44`	`rutski89`	`oh, sorry, heh`
`05:09.04`	`rutski89`	`it's mostly likey MIME PGP`
`05:09.14`	`thiago`	`please be 100% certain`
`05:09.26`	`rutski89`	`sure, lemme decrypt it manually, brb`
`05:09.44`	`thiago`	`just look at the message source or the MIME tree`
`05:11.52`	`rutski89`	`thiago: yup, i just gpg'ed the message source in the command line`
`05:11.55`	`rutski89`	`it's MIME PGP`
`05:12.03`	`thiago`	`is gpg-agent running?`
`05:12.07`	`rutski89`	`yes`
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`05:13.25`	`rutski89`	`still with me guys?`
`05:13.32`	`thiago`	`yes`
`05:13.44`	`thiago`	`if you try to gpg-decrypt the message, does the pinentry window show up?`
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`05:14.04`	`rutski89`	`thiago: if i try to decryt it how?`
`05:14.18`	`thiago`	`rutski89: "gpg" and pipe in the messsage`
`05:14.43`	`rutski89`	`thiago: what is the "pinetry window"?`
`05:14.58`	`rutski89`	`passphrase entry?`
`05:15.17`	`bssteph`	`http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html it's a bit old, you should probably start from "Configure GnuPG to use gpg-agent" to the end`
`05:15.41`	`thiago`	`rutski89: the window where you type your password`
`05:15.45`	`thiago`	`does it show up when you use gpg?`
`05:15.49`	`bssteph`	`yeah, the passphrase entry rutski89`
`05:15.53`	`bssteph`	`what thiago said :)`
`05:16.49`	`rutski89`	`umm, this is in the console, there are no windows, right?`
`05:17.13`	`bssteph`	`if things are configured right, app x will query gpg-agent which will query pinentry`
`05:17.16`	`bssteph`	`(or pinentry-qt)`
`05:17.32`	`bssteph`	`pinentry will provide the challenge where you enter the passphrase`
`05:17.40`	`rutski89`	`nope`
`05:17.53`	`rutski89`	`gpg is the CLI based program by GNU`
`05:17.57`	`bssteph`	`right`
`05:18.00`	`rutski89`	`why would GUI stuff be called via it's invocation?`
`05:18.10`	`bssteph`	`because you have to tell gpg-agent to use pinentry-qt`
`05:18.28`	`rutski89`	`i don't have a program called "gpg-agent" in my path`
`05:18.37`	`rutski89`	`and umm, then why does encrypting work jsut fine`
`05:18.42`	`thiago`	`rutski89: no, the pinentry window must show up`
`05:18.43`	`thiago`	`does it?`
`05:18.43`	`rutski89`	`but decrypting goes soure`
`05:18.48`	`rutski89`	`**sour`
`05:19.04`	`rutski89`	`thiago: heh, sorry, I'm kind of confused :(`
`05:19.13`	`thiago`	`there's nothing to be confused`
`05:19.17`	`thiago`	`does the windows show up or not?`
`05:19.22`	`rutski89`	`if i type what?`
`05:19.27`	`bssteph`	`i don't remember exactly why, but i had the same problem; i couldn't decrypt until i got pinentry right`
`05:19.30`	`rutski89`	`gpg mail.eml \| less`
`05:19.33`	`thiago`	`if you try to decrypt something`
`05:19.49`	`rutski89`	`no, if i type "gpg mail.eml \| less" no windows show up`
`05:19.56`	`rutski89`	`it asks me for the passphrase on the command line`
`05:19.57`	`thiago`	`does it ask for a password?`
`05:20.00`	`thiago`	`ok`
`05:20.03`	`thiago`	`is gpg-agent running?`
`05:20.07`	`rutski89`	`heh, i know where your going now`
`05:20.12`	`bssteph`	`it's not in the path`
`05:20.15`	`rutski89`	`kgpg is running if thats what you mean`
`05:20.18`	`thiago`	`no`
`05:20.20`	`bssteph`	`so it probably needs to be installed :)`
`05:20.21`	`thiago`	`is gpg-agent running?`
`05:20.22`	`bssteph`	`no, not kgpg`
`05:20.39`	`rutski89`	`rutski89@vulcan:~$ ps -A \| grep gpg-agent`
`05:20.40`	`rutski89`	`rutski89@vulcan:~$`
`05:20.44`	`thiago`	`it's not`
`05:20.49`	`rutski89`	`yea :(`
`05:20.52`	`thiago`	`it has to be if KMail is to decrypt MIME-PGP`
`05:20.54`	`bssteph`	`yup`
`05:20.57`	`bssteph`	`that's the next step`
`05:21.02`	`thiago`	`follow the link bssteph gave you and configure it correctly`
`05:21.03`	`rutski89`	`apt-cache search gpg \| grep agent`
`05:21.03`	`rutski89`	`gnome-gpg - GPG passphrase agent based on GNOME Keyring`
`05:21.03`	`rutski89`	`gpgsm - GNU privacy guard - password agent`
`05:21.04`	`rutski89`	`rutski89@vulcan:~$`
`05:21.35`	`rutski89`	`thiago: he gave a link?`
`05:21.40`	`bssteph`	`i did :)`
`05:21.44`	`rutski89`	`nm, got it`
`05:21.50`	`bssteph`	`[00:15:17] <bssteph> http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html`
`05:21.51`	`rutski89`	`bssteph: ty :)`
`05:21.52`	`rutski89`	`yea`
`05:22.07`	`bssteph`	`start with configure gnupg to use gpg-agent`
`05:22.11`	`bssteph`	`you have the basics working`
`05:22.31`	`bssteph`	`but you probably need to install gpg-agent, and i'm not sure how your distro packages it`
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`05:23.53`	`rutski89`	`bssteph: yea :( I'll get it eventually, thanks for the link`
`05:23.57`	`rutski89`	`I've gota get to bed now though`
`05:24.00`	`bssteph`	`no problem`
`05:24.17`	`rutski89`	`g'night guys, thanks for the help/patients ;)`
`05:24.22`	`bssteph`	`night`
`05:24.28`	`DaSkreech`	`zzZZZZ`
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`05:25.57`	`frb`	`that's patience`
`05:26.34`	`bssteph`	`no, i'm a mad scientist, i gave him my former test subjects`
`05:26.43`	`bssteph`	`i mean... er, yes, how silly of him`
`05:28.05`	`bssteph`	`i need to dig myself out of this homework backlog and get back to working on interesting kde stuff :(`
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`07:23.52`	`kakalto`	`for zips, tgz, etc`
`07:25.46`	`vkhaitan`	`kakalto: ark`
`07:26.11`	`kakalto`	`thanks`
`07:26.14`	`kakalto`	`how big is it?`
`07:26.25`	`vkhaitan`	`around 1 mb`
`07:26.40`	`kakalto`	`kewl`
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`07:30.14`	`ReS-UK`	`Hello I wondered if anyone has used Baghira`
`07:30.39`	`vkhaitan`	`you dont need to wonder, surely may people have used baghira`
`07:31.00`	`ReS-UK`	`Well if anyone here is using it I need a bit of help.`
`07:31.11`	`vkhaitan`	`what help`
`07:32.15`	`ReS-UK`	`Well I have it setup but the bars are not showing up`
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`07:47.12`	`ReS-UK`	`Does anyone know the command to start the KDE Taskbar mine has being closed ?`
`07:51.42`	`Tm_T`	`you mean just taskbar or whole kicker?`
`07:52.01`	`ReS-UK`	`just the taskbar, kicker is on`
`07:52.20`	`Tm_T`	`well, add taskbar on it`
`07:52.36`	`ReS-UK`	`The one I was using isnt there`
`07:52.57`	`Tm_T`	`is not where?`
`07:53.08`	`ReS-UK`	`In the Kicker Menu Options`
`07:53.15`	`Tm_T`	`oh`
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`07:55.59`	`vkhaitan`	`ReS-UK: isn't taskbar there in applet menu ?`
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`07:57.22`	`ReS-UK`	`Yes but I had it as a top bar`
`07:57.59`	`Tm_T`	`ReS-UK: you mean you lost a panel?`
`07:58.03`	`ReS-UK`	`Yes`
`07:58.07`	`Tm_T`	`ok`
`07:58.15`	`Tm_T`	`then add panel etc`
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`07:58.46`	`vkhaitan`	`yes, external taskbar, you meant?`
`07:58.55`	`ReS-UK`	`Yes`
`07:59.06`	`ReS-UK`	`But it had systray and stuff in`
`07:59.18`	`vkhaitan`	`oh, it means, that was a child panel`
`07:59.35`	`vkhaitan`	`and taskbar was added as applet and also system tray`
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`08:05.13`	`vkhaitan`	`ideafix: cant understand you`
`08:05.42`	`ideafix`	`the quick lanche bar icons`
`08:06.10`	`ideafix`	`i used to have them strike out`
`08:06.31`	`ideafix`	`when i got the moouse pointer over them`
`08:06.53`	`ideafix`	`i relly like that :-)`
`08:08.41`	`ideafix`	`still dont know what i mean ?`
`08:10.49`	`vkhaitan`	`nopes :(`
`08:10.59`	`vkhaitan`	`I never used quick launch icons`
`08:11.17`	`vkhaitan`	`and what quick launc you meant?`
`08:11.23`	`vkhaitan`	`is it the applet you are talking about ?`
`08:11.29`	`vkhaitan`	`there is a quck launcher applet`
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`08:12.01`	`_RADIOhead`	`anyone familiar with k3b ?`
`08:13.00`	`vkhaitan`	`_RADIOhead: somewhat :)`
`08:13.40`	`_RADIOhead`	`vkhaitan, latest version isntalled?`
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`08:13.59`	`vkhaitan`	`nopes, yet. Just I am installing suse10.0`
`08:14.16`	`_RADIOhead`	`ah :) vkhaitan i have latest one and i can not copy CD-s`
`08:14.38`	`vkhaitan`	`why ?`
`08:14.42`	`vkhaitan`	`what error ?`
`08:14.46`	`_RADIOhead`	`strange , coz i have just cd-rwr no cd-rom and i was trying 2 copy live cd sla and nothing`
`08:15.01`	`_RADIOhead`	`vkhaitan, no error can nt click START button :)`
`08:15.02`	`vkhaitan`	`dont know`
`08:15.31`	`vkhaitan`	`something you must have done wrong`
`08:16.14`	`_RADIOhead`	`damn almost freez my pc with k3b`
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`10:01.17`	`sorush20`	`what is a very good ftp program`
`10:01.42`	`sorush20`	`kbear fails on sync`
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`10:05.34`	`oGALAXYo`	`sorush20: konqueror`
`10:06.29`	`jimmy_`	`i have gftp and it works well`
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`10:07.54`	`oGALAXYo`	`gftp is a gtk related app and known to be broken.`
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`10:10.52`	`willwork4foo`	`I've used gftp on a SPARC Solaris 9 box (Ultra 10) before now - it's OK for small transfers ( >5mb files, etc) but for large scale pulls or sends it just segfaults`
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`10:18.37`	`robert_`	`hm, where'`
`10:18.42`	`robert_`	`errr`
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`10:21.56`	`sorush20`	`oGALAXYo: so you mean to say that it wil syncronize the folder too..`
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`10:34.20`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`in kopete: is there a way to eliminate the mail notification?`
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`10:38.32`	`bartden`	`does kde have a news reader that also supports binary attachments`
`10:39.39`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`does akregator?`
`10:39.47`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`err...sorry...`
`10:39.54`	`Aji-Dahaka`	`regular news, you mean`
`10:40.19`	`Venson`	`knode, perhaps...`
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`10:41.21`	`bartden`	`hmm k`
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`10:48.17`	`zer0000`	`hi`
`10:48.29`	`zer0000`	`what is the limitation of qt using gcc to compile in Windows?`
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`10:49.43`	`Pete_`	`err.. just a quick question, are the 'KDE resources' in control center > Desktop and control center > KDE Components any different?`
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`10:50.10`	`jimmy_`	`i have downloaded kdebase (branche 3.5) from de subversion but when i compile i have errors like : error: 'NoDeletion' is not a member of 'KParts::BrowserExtension'`
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`10:54.46`	`bluelightning`	`Pete_: I assume there is no difference... at least in 3.5 there's only a KDE Resources under Control Centre > KDE Components`
`10:54.55`	`bluelightning`	`3.5 beta 1 that is`
`10:55.24`	`tuxipuxi`	`hey guys.. any idea how i can get the number of messages in a folder in kmail to which applies the "search" line. so in search type e.g. "KDE" and i want to know how many messages it are`
`10:55.48`	`Pete_`	`bluelightning: Ah ok, just for some reason its there twice in 3.4.2. Im gonna go put 3.5 beta1 onto this box in a sec anyway`
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`11:04.30`	`jonsen`	`hello!`
`11:04.47`	`jonsen`	`i got a problem with starting mulberry (mail client)`
`11:05.04`	`jonsen`	`it says:`
`11:05.05`	`jonsen`	`jesk@tobaco:~/src% ./mulberry`
`11:05.05`	`jonsen`	`The X server does not have any PostScript fonts at all, not even Helvetica`
`11:05.24`	`jonsen`	`but i have installed helvetica in my x11`
`11:06.21`	`jonsen`	`i dont have many knowlegde of font management`
`11:06.24`	`jonsen`	`iam using freebsd`
`11:06.42`	`jonsen`	`anybody here who could try to help me?`
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`11:12.48`	`pinotree`	`hello =)`
`11:16.22`	`Sho_`	`then I'm mixing it up with something else`
`11:17.09`	`fangel`	`ahh - nothing like the smell of fresh ram-modules in the morning.. (just receive my 2gigs of Kingston ValueRAM)`
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`11:29.00`	`jimmy_`	`so... my last question was... how can i put unsermake in my /usr/local and where to download unsermake ? :-)`
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`11:30.01`	`blubbi`	`hi all`
`11:30.27`	`blubbi`	`I got trouble starting KDE on a homdir which is mounted on a samba share`
`11:31.05`	`blubbi`	`I ried already CIFS but no success, DCOP-server is complaining because it can't create the socked`
`11:31.18`	`blubbi`	`any Ideas how to ommit this problem?`
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`11:40.22`	`NullAcht15`	`blubbi: you cannot create sockets or named pipes on a smb share. Windows doesn't have those concepts`
`11:40.31`	`blubbi`	`me know`
`11:40.46`	`blubbi`	`NullAcht15: isn't teher a way to tell KDE to create them in /tmp/`
`11:41.18`	`blubbi`	`NullAcht15: CIFS should support sockets but It will not work...`
`11:41.25`	`NullAcht15`	`blubbi: symlinks won't work, because those aren't possible in smb either`
`11:41.37`	`NullAcht15`	`you could try bind-mounting`
`11:41.49`	`blubbi`	`how?`
`11:42.10`	`blubbi`	`The users log on get their homes mounted via pam_mount`
`11:42.12`	`NullAcht15`	`newer linux kernels offer the ability to mount any given subdirectory in any other part of the filesystem`
`11:42.30`	`blubbi`	`jea, me know, but how should I acomplish that?`
`11:42.39`	`NullAcht15`	`Or, better idea:`
`11:42.46`	`NullAcht15`	`Fiddle with $KDEHOME`
`11:43.25`	`blubbi`	`where are all those kde config files?`
`11:43.29`	`NullAcht15`	`change your scripts so they set and export $KDEHOME to a proper unix-deirectory before starting KDE`
`11:44.35`	`blubbi`	`mmmh, thats all other than stisfying`
`11:44.50`	`NullAcht15`	`you could create many directories in the form of /opt/kdehome/$username, one for each user`
`11:44.54`	`NullAcht15`	`blubbi: why not?`
`11:45.14`	`NullAcht15`	`it works, I've done it before`
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`11:45.49`	`blubbi`	`when the KDEHOME dir is not on the sambashare, where are all the settings saved? if they logon on anoterh PC they will have to make all settings agin?`
`11:45.51`	`NullAcht15`	`How is KDE started on your machines?`
`11:46.01`	`blubbi`	`via kdm`
`11:46.26`	`NullAcht15`	`uhm, yes. You can work around this by putting /opt/kdehome on a nfs share`
`11:46.35`	`blubbi`	`NullAcht15: german? because of your name?`
`11:46.40`	`NullAcht15`	`yes`
`11:46.43`	`blubbi`	`me to`
`11:46.47`	`blubbi`	`G`
`11:46.48`	`blubbi`	`lol`
`11:47.27`	`blubbi`	`sollte CIFS nicht socked unterst�tzen?`
`11:47.35`	`NullAcht15`	`well, do you have any unix/linux machines that work as servers?`
`11:47.45`	`blubbi`	`I have`
`11:47.50`	`NullAcht15`	`kA, hab mich noch nicht groß damit beschäftigt`
`11:47.59`	`Tm_T`	`:(`
`11:48.00`	`blubbi`	`was ich gelsenhabeja`
`11:48.11`	`Tm_T`	`#kde-de`
`11:48.17`	`Tm_T`	`;)`
`11:48.29`	`Tm_T`	`tai min� alan puhua suomea`
`11:48.37`	`blubbi`	`should we jump to kde-de?`
`11:48.48`	`Tm_T`	`puhumaan jopa`
`11:48.49`	`NullAcht15`	`Why don't you just mount $HOME from your linux/unix server?`
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`11:49.05`	`NullAcht15`	`blubbi: k, see you tehre`
`11:49.28`	`NullAcht15`	`the channel is empty right now, but that doesn't matter`
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`12:06.29`	`segfault2k`	`hi :P`
`12:06.42`	`segfault2k`	`hi :P`
`12:06.53`	`segfault2k`	`when is gonna be released kde 3.5 beta2?`
`12:07.01`	`segfault2k`	`to package it for slack`
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`12:07.52`	`segfault2k`	`i have access to the svn, is a way to download it from svn?`
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`12:09.32`	`March-RX8`	`hello`
`12:09.55`	`March-RX8`	`i need kfirewall, but it doesnt work`
`12:10.05`	`March-RX8`	`is there a way to fix the problem?`
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`12:22.28`	`oGALAXYo`	`nice, they now make evolution depend even more to mozilla`
`12:22.36`	`oGALAXYo`	`switching gtkhtml to gtkeditmoz`
`12:22.38`	`oGALAXYo`	`poor people`
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`12:24.56`	`segfault2k`	`xD`
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`12:30.00`	`Stereo`	`hello all`
`12:30.10`	`Stereo`	`I wanted to ask you your opinion on http://kderacist.ytmnd.com/`
`12:30.19`	`Stereo`	`is kde really racist?`
`12:31.16`	`segfault2k`	`lemme check`
`12:31.18`	`g3nocide`	`...`
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`12:31.25`	`g3nocide`	`it's not worth the look`
`12:31.31`	`dcop`	`hahaha`
`12:31.32`	`dcop`	`kkk`
`12:31.32`	`dcop`	`xD`
`12:31.33`	`dcop`	`lol`
`12:33.21`	`tuxipuxi`	`Stereo: i don't get the joke? :)`
`12:33.22`	`Bounga`	`konqueror tells me that I cannot handle cookies ...`
`12:33.28`	`Bounga`	`any idea ?`
`12:34.51`	`dcop`	`tuxipuxi: the "kkk"`
`12:34.57`	`dcop`	`yo yo tuxipuxi how r u man`
`12:34.58`	`tuxipuxi`	`ah, lol :)`
`12:34.59`	`dcop`	`<- segfault2k`
`12:35.05`	`tuxipuxi`	`fine, thanks. you?`
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`12:35.41`	`dcop`	`fine, waiting for kde 3.5 beta2`
`12:35.59`	`tuxipuxi`	`i'm waiting for final release :)`
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`12:36.20`	`halcyonCorsair`	`can kdm be themed?`
`12:36.34`	`tuxipuxi`	`yes`
`12:36.40`	`tuxipuxi`	`starting from kde 3.4 it casn`
`12:36.41`	`tuxipuxi`	`can`
`12:37.31`	`Bounga`	`what can be the problem with the cookies manager ?`
`12:37.33`	`halcyonCorsair`	`tuxipuxi: where do i install a theme from?`
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`12:38.09`	`tuxipuxi`	`halcyonCorsair: kdelook.org primarily`
`12:38.24`	`tuxipuxi`	`halcyonCorsair: has to be put in the kdm themes directory and be configured in the kdm config, that's it`
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`12:39.26`	`halcyonCorsair`	`tuxipuxi: are we talking in kcontrol or is there a seperate utility?`
`12:39.39`	`jpatrick`	`halcyonCorsair: you could try: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22120`
`12:39.39`	`tuxipuxi`	`halcyonCorsair: talking about config files ;)`
`12:39.40`	`tuxipuxi`	`kdmrc`
`12:40.19`	`halcyonCorsair`	`kdmrc scares me....it doesn't use " quotes around the options`
`12:40.51`	`tuxipuxi`	`you have to change only one line`
`12:41.02`	`dcop`	`xD`
`12:42.33`	`halcyonCorsair`	`frickin bugs.gentoo.org not allowing big comments`
`12:42.41`	`dcop`	`haha`
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`12:44.08`	`halcyonCorsair`	`comment larger than 65,536 lines they say....well its not my fault that the compile log is big`
`12:44.16`	`halcyonCorsair`	`they should have thought of this`
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`12:47.50`	`tuxipuxi`	`halcyonCorsair: 65536 lines? lol`
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`12:47.55`	`tuxipuxi`	`you don't have to attach everything`
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`12:50.54`	`halcyonCorsair`	`tuxipuxi: yeah, well there were a lot of error lines and i couldn't be bothered initially chopping it off to the end ones :)`
`12:51.13`	`tuxipuxi`	`halcyonCorsair: then just upload it somewhere and post a link ;)`
`12:51.45`	`halcyonCorsair`	`tuxipuxi: naah, thats even more hassle, i chopped it off heaps, hopefully not too much and just pasted it`
`12:51.50`	`halcyonCorsair`	`tuxipuxi: do you use gentoo?`
`12:52.12`	`tuxipuxi`	`halcyonCorsair: no way ;)`
`12:52.26`	`tuxipuxi`	`i would only use it if it was the last distro on earth`
`12:52.36`	`mez__`	`hey all, does anyone know how to force konqueror to use just the fonts I've specified when browsing the web? I've got this horrible mix of plain and anti-aliased fonts at the moment... There doesn't seem to be a 'always use my fonts' button like there is in firefox`
`12:52.48`	`halcyonCorsair`	`man....this bug report is causing me way too much hassle`
`12:52.57`	`halcyonCorsair`	`tuxipuxi: what? whys that, gentoo is awesome`
`12:52.57`	`tuxipuxi`	`lol`
`12:53.25`	`tuxipuxi`	`i can't be bothered to compile all software when there are binary packages available. it's a waste of ressources`
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`12:53.59`	`halcyonCorsair`	`i like to think of it as sitting on the cutting edge without getting limbs chopped off`
`12:54.22`	`March-RX8`	`hey could someone explain me how to use kfyrewall`
`12:54.28`	`March-RX8`	`*kmyfirewall`
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`12:58.16`	`Hobbsee`	`March-RX8: got no idea about kmyfirewall, but guarddog is another option if you wanted to use that`
`12:58.47`	`March-RX8`	`guarddog?`
`12:58.50`	`March-RX8`	`never heard`
`13:02.34`	`Hobbsee`	`it's another firewall`
`13:03.45`	`March-RX8`	`where can i get it?`
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`13:06.24`	`Hobbsee`	`which distro are you using?`
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`13:08.49`	`March-RX8`	`mdv`
`13:09.14`	`Hobbsee`	`mdv = mandriva, i presume`
`13:09.23`	`Hobbsee`	`how do you usually go about getting packages in mandriva?`
`13:09.36`	`Hobbsee`	`download rpm's from a main repository somewhere?`
`13:10.07`	`Hobbsee`	`http://www.simonzone.com/software/guarddog/`
`13:10.24`	`Hobbsee`	`yep, and there's a mandriva source for you to use :)`
`13:10.33`	`Hobbsee`	`well, a mandriva rpm`
`13:10.55`	`Pete_`	`http://kmyfirewall.sourceforge.net/ < Ugh that seems slow`
`13:11.55`	`dcop`	`http://www.fredemmott.co.uk/index.php?page=kitg <-`
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`13:12.20`	`March-RX8`	`yes i take packages from the main repository`
`13:14.08`	`Hobbsee`	`as you might be able to tell, i dont use mandriva :P or an rpm distrobution`
`13:16.02`	`March-RX8`	`:)`
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`13:20.40`	`Hobbsee`	`it's in the kubuntu repositories - what else would i need to know lol?`
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`13:25.41`	`blubbi`	`NullAcht15: hi, i think I found a sollution: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2004-April/085039.html`
`13:26.02`	`blubbi`	`NullAcht15: in combination with export DCOPAUTHORITY="/tmp/.$USER-DCOPserver-$HOSTNAME-on_$DISPLAY"`
`13:26.27`	`blubbi`	`gonna try this as soon as may glibc finished`
`13:27.05`	`blubbi`	`by the way, is there something in kdm like "/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default" in gdm?`
`13:27.36`	`blubbi`	`any file wehre I can specifie a command, run right bvore the user logs on?`
`13:27.55`	`thiago`	`to be run as root?`
`13:27.58`	`blubbi`	`I would like to put the command "xhost +localhost" there`
`13:28.18`	`blubbi`	`thiago: not necessarily`
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`13:28.50`	`thiago`	`there are several files for that`
`13:28.54`	`thiago`	`the same ones as xdm`
`13:29.25`	`blubbi`	`/etc/X11/xdm`
`13:29.38`	`blubbi`	`so where is the best place fot this command?`
`13:29.53`	`blubbi`	`I have these files:`
`13:29.53`	`blubbi`	`GiveConsole Xaccess Xservers Xsetup_0 authdir pixmaps`
`13:29.54`	`blubbi`	`TakeConsole Xresources Xsession Xwilling chooser xdm-config`
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`13:35.12`	`thiago`	`as I said: the same ones as xdm: Xsession, Xaccess, etc.`
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`14:27.33`	`pinotree`	`Ayoze: i'd try asking that in #amarok`
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`14:27.44`	`Ayoze`	`I've already did that`
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`14:32.22`	`pyxel`	`hello`
`14:32.27`	`pyxel`	`please`
`14:32.39`	`pyxel`	`what is the windows theme of this: http://linuxcult.com/crystal/Crystal_Clear.jpg`
`14:32.52`	`pyxel`	`I means the windows-like "Lunch" button`
`14:34.55`	`jpatrick`	`pyxel: that's Linspire`
`14:34.59`	`g3nocide`	`LUNCH!`
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`14:37.09`	`mixandgo`	`hi guys, is artsd deprecated or something ?`
`14:39.40`	`pyxel`	`jpatrick: hmm, are you sure, because i don't find it in kde-look.org (with the "lunch" button�`
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`14:40.30`	`thiago`	`mixandgo: it will be deprecated`
`14:40.34`	`thiago`	`it is unmaintained`
`14:41.15`	`mixandgo`	`thiago: oh... so now kde uses the default sound system or what... ?`
`14:42.00`	`jpatrick`	`pyxel: Linspire Clear`
`14:42.33`	`thiago`	`mixandgo: it will be deprecated`
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`14:42.43`	`thiago`	`mixandgo: which means it still isn't and is the KDE default sound server`
`14:43.18`	`mixandgo`	`thiago: well, I don't have it installed by default... so...`
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`14:44.03`	`thiago`	`mixandgo: so you may have no sound in KDE`
`14:44.13`	`mixandgo`	`thiago: I do have sound`
`14:44.21`	`mixandgo`	`but arts is not running`
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`14:46.12`	`javb`	`weird but. i wanna change the Kmenu buttom icon.. i went to my icons directory and changed the name wih another one over there i wanted to be.. now i restart kde, the buttom remained the same but and i put my mouse over it, the "animation effect" (which says the name and stuff) has the new icon... :S`
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`14:47.35`	`pyxel`	`jpatrick: hmm, and how i can add the toolbar with "lunch" button please?`
`14:48.03`	`jpatrick`	`pyxel: that's for Linspire users`
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`14:48.43`	`pyxel`	`jpatrick: yes, i has installed linspire clear, now`
`14:49.20`	`Noldi`	`hallo zusammen`
`14:49.28`	`jpatrick`	`pyxel: I think it's just for the "Launch" button is for Linspire distro only`
`14:49.29`	`javb`	`?`
`14:49.46`	`March-RX8`	`who could help me configuring a firewall using guarddog???`
`14:50.09`	`Noldi`	`looking for german channel spezialised in suse`
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`14:51.54`	`pyxel`	`jpatrick: ah, ok thankx`
`14:53.47`	`sleon\|tuX`	`is it known that kdegraphics package creates wrong compiler flags for gphoto2 support?`
`14:53.52`	`sleon\|tuX`	`so compile fails ?`
`14:54.06`	`thiago`	`what wrong compiler flags?`
`14:54.12`	`thiago`	`and which version of the kdegraphics package?`
`14:54.25`	`sleon\|tuX`	`thiago, 3.4.2`
`14:54.37`	`sleon\|tuX`	`thiago, it has -lghoto2 but not -lghoto2_port`
`14:54.46`	`sleon\|tuX`	`thiago, and it seems not to user the output of the pkg-config`
`14:55.06`	`sleon\|tuX`	`thiago, in the pkg config file of gphoto2 i have -lgphoto2 -lm -lpghoto2_port`
`14:55.15`	`sleon\|tuX`	`the file is called`
`14:55.20`	`sleon\|tuX`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`14:55.54`	`sleon\|tuX`	`thiago, so i end up with anresolved symbols at kamera build and at iosalves build for comm with gphoto2`
`14:55.57`	`Ayoze`	`has anybody broadcasted with amaroK? i think it doesnt work :S`
`14:56.43`	`sleon\|tuX`	`thiago, looks like it is a problem from configure.in`
`14:57.03`	`sleon\|tuX`	`thiago, because Makefile.in of kamera has GPHOTO2_LIBS = @GPHOTO2_LIBS@`
`14:57.29`	`annma`	`sleon\|tuX: Makefile.am is what to look`
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`14:58.08`	`thiago`	`sleon\|tuX: pkg-config is not used`
`14:58.12`	`thiago`	`we use gphoto2-config`
`14:58.23`	`sleon\|tuX`	`thiago, let me check`
`14:58.34`	`sleon\|tuX`	`[sleon@ma kde]$ gphoto2-config --libs`
`14:58.34`	`sleon\|tuX`	`-L/usr/lib -lgphoto2 -lm`
`14:58.39`	`sleon\|tuX`	`oh it returns wrong values ...`
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`14:58.44`	`sleon\|tuX`	`thiago, thx`
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`14:59.48`	`sleon\|tuX`	`annma, why Makefile.am ?`
`14:59.54`	`sleon\|tuX`	`annma, and not Makefile.in ?`
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`15:04.45`	`Flendor`	`Good evening.`
`15:05.06`	`pinotree`	`hey Flendor!! =)`
`15:05.20`	`Flendor`	`Hello pinotree, how are you?`
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`15:05.34`	`pinotree`	`pretty fine, thanks`
`15:05.40`	`pinotree`	`lessons started again`
`15:06.05`	`Flendor`	`Mine did too.`
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`15:06.18`	`pinotree`	`which uni?`
`15:06.39`	`Flendor`	`Yildiz Technical University, Istanbul`
`15:07.00`	`pinotree`	`CS?`
`15:07.26`	`Flendor`	`Nope, Mechanical Engineering`
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`15:08.33`	`pinotree`	`that's nice too`
`15:08.55`	`Flendor`	`And do you study?`
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`15:10.31`	`pinotree`	`yep, Computer science`
`15:12.40`	`Flendor`	`Oh, nice :) Now, I have to go for dinner..`
`15:12.49`	`pinotree`	`bon appetit!`
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`15:23.41`	`Flendor`	`Back.`
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`15:24.01`	`defcon8`	`how do you do python in qtdesigner. do you automatically get the option when you install pyqt?`
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`15:36.02`	`annma`	`defcon8: ask in #qt`
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`15:38.21`	`Ayoze`	`did anybody try to broadcast with amaroK? It doesnt connect for me`
`15:39.36`	`frb`	`I've tried with kaffeine, but couldn't get it to work`
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`15:42.00`	`mixandgo`	`any ideea why arts crashes when I try to play an ogg file ? but works ok with wav's`
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`15:43.00`	`frb`	`because arts is a steaming pile?`
`15:43.06`	`annma`	`mixandgo: maybe it was not compiled with ogg support?`
`15:43.11`	`annma`	`mixandgo: what distro?`
`15:43.16`	`mixandgo`	`gentoo`
`15:43.33`	`annma`	`did you compile ogg stuff before arts?`
`15:43.41`	`annma`	`do you have ogg support at all?`
`15:43.52`	`mixandgo`	`you mean libogg ?`
`15:43.57`	`jhutchins`	`How do you set the units for kweather (2.1.0 on kde 3.4.2)?`
`15:44.08`	`annma`	`mixandgo: yes`
`15:44.24`	`mixandgo`	`I've installed them now`
`15:44.28`	`annma`	`and vorbis stuff maybe, I get it from rpm myself`
`15:44.31`	`annma`	`now?`
`15:44.37`	`annma`	`so it was ot there before`
`15:44.45`	`mixandgo`	`no`
`15:44.54`	`annma`	`retry when finish and ask in #gentoo next time`
`15:45.13`	`annma`	`it's difficult to know what exactly you need for ogg support`
`15:45.19`	`mixandgo`	`I did... but no one answers`
`15:45.20`	`mixandgo`	`:D`
`15:45.20`	`jhutchins`	`mixandgo, annma: I added the ogg flag to my use flags and re-emerged alsa & related files, my problem was that ogg's wouldn't play at all.`
`15:45.40`	`jhutchins`	`Pretty sure that fixed it.`
`15:45.40`	`annma`	`and now it works?`
`15:45.50`	`annma`	`you still need libogg`
`15:45.58`	`annma`	`or what ogg package?`
`15:46.05`	`anisX`	`!ping me`
`15:46.06`	`Pixels-`	`because of youuuuu i am afraidddddddd`
`15:46.11`	`jhutchins`	`Which portage should pull automatically if you emerge alsa with the ogg flag enabled.`
`15:46.11`	`Pixels-`	`:-S`
`15:46.24`	`annma`	`jhutchins: ah, ok, I don't use gentoo, see`
`15:46.36`	`annma`	`so portage flags and such are alien for me`
`15:46.45`	`Pixels-`	`yeah`
`15:46.49`	`Pixels-`	`if you don't run gentoo`
`15:46.49`	`mixandgo`	`I think i got it`
`15:46.55`	`mixandgo`	`libvorbis`
`15:46.56`	`annma`	`but well I gave the right answer anyway`
`15:47.12`	`mixandgo`	`didn't compile arts with vorbis support`
`15:47.19`	`jhutchins`	`annma: Gentoo does pretty good at pulling required files on install, but unlike RPM there's no way to detect relationships on installed packages or for removal.`
`15:47.57`	`annma`	`I use a rpm based distro but I compile all of kde and sometimes gcc and others`
`15:48.08`	`jhutchins`	`mixandgo: It's wierd that gentoo will install KDE without ogg support when KDE uses all ogg soundfiles internally.`
`15:48.22`	`mixandgo`	`yeah, also without arts`
`15:48.39`	`jhutchins`	`mixandgo: defaults to alsa`
`15:48.59`	`mixandgo`	`I know, but kde does not use alsa... right ?`
`15:49.07`	`mixandgo`	`for system sounds and all`
`15:49.09`	`jhutchins`	`Does if you tell it to.`
`15:49.20`	`jhutchins`	`kde might default to arts for some obscure reason.`
`15:49.25`	`mixandgo`	`hmm.. how do you tell it to ?`
`15:49.28`	`jhutchins`	`Some developer with obsolte base sysetm.`
`15:49.41`	`jhutchins`	`kcontrol, under Sounds & Multimedia iirc.`
`15:50.02`	`mixandgo`	`jhutchins: but you need arts for that`
`15:50.05`	`jhutchins`	`Usually set to "Auto Detect", often necessary to manually set "Alsa".`
`15:50.18`	`Ayoze`	`did anybody try to broadcast with amaroK? It doesnt connect for me`
`15:50.51`	`anisX`	`KTorrent is really slow compares to Azureus :(`
`15:51.18`	`jhutchins`	`Maybe kcontrol/Sound/Sound System/Hardware`
`15:51.59`	`jhutchins`	`My Gentoo box is in another office...`
`15:52.18`	`mixandgo`	`don't think you can change anything if you don't have arts`
`15:53.16`	`mixandgo`	`damn... keeps crashing`
`15:55.12`	`mixandgo`	`anyone else have sounds without using arts ?`
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`16:05.29`	`maderd`	`hi all, how can I convince kmail to also download messages with imap as for example thunderbird does`
`16:05.46`	`maderd`	`I know that this is not pure imap, but it makes sense`
`16:06.34`	`superstoned`	`does anyone know why we never hear about the fact KDE could be controlled by speech? (khotkeys supports speech as input)`
`16:07.05`	`superstoned`	`anisX: yes, it is slow. no-one knows the reason? maybe some clients ban ktorrent...`
`16:09.51`	`maderd`	`so nobody misses this kmail thing? it requires a very fast network to conviently work with imap and kmail...`
`16:10.13`	`maderd`	`conveniently, sorry for the typo`
`16:11.34`	`SAngeli`	`I am having trubles installing new icons in kde. Can anyone please help? This is what I am trying to install: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28375`
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`16:14.30`	`jhutchins`	`Anybody know about setting units in kweather?`
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`16:19.15`	`chrisag`	`Is there a reason kontact wouldn't have the distribution list editor`
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`16:25.03`	`jhutchins`	`chrisag: Which distro?`
`16:25.12`	`chrisag`	`suse`
`16:25.58`	`chrisag`	`er jhutchins suse 10.0`
`16:26.33`	`jhutchins`	`Likely suse has stripped it out.`
`16:26.45`	`chrisag`	`That wouldn't serve an intensive purpose....`
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`16:36.47`	`r3tex`	`is there a standard embedded media player for konqueror?`
`16:36.51`	`r3tex`	`like for windows media?`
`16:36.57`	`kiwi_uk`	`no`
`16:36.57`	`kiwi_uk`	`but`
`16:37.03`	`Ayoze`	`kaffeine`
`16:37.04`	`kiwi_uk`	`Kaffeine can do it`
`16:37.18`	`oGALAXYo_`	`kmplayer`
`16:37.23`	`kiwi_uk`	`KMplayer too can as well I think`
`16:37.37`	`kiwi_uk`	`I find KMplayers Mozilla plugin to be better than Kaffeines too`
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`16:38.46`	`SMiLeaf`	`last time I tried it tried to fork me to death :D`
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`16:56.37`	`DaSkreech`	`http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/ is where I should be watching to get info on the roadmap/progress of KDE4?`
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`17:04.24`	`Adam_`	`hello everyone; i've jsut instaled kde on a gentoo based system. however when i try to start kde using 'startkde' i get an error message saying that it is unable to start 'x' however kde will work if i startx and then startkde from within the x window`
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`17:10.11`	`Blissex`	`Adam_: 'startkde' is not supposed to start X.`
`17:10.43`	`Blissex`	`Adam_: 'startx' (or just 'xinit') and then 'startkde' is the right way.`
`17:11.13`	`Adam_`	`ok thank you`
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`17:19.32`	`fk6`	`hi`
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`17:20.34`	`fk6`	`we are a team in the Middle East that try to help a government moving to Linux, the problem we have is again and again with localisation, short question whether anybody knows a really good resource for this?`
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`17:21.40`	`fk6`	`and whether anybody knows of the very strange problem that names of files that have been given arab file names on windows, cannot be correctly displayed with konquerer`
`17:22.20`	`annma`	`what language, fk6 ?`
`17:22.26`	`fk6`	`naturally also not with a normal shell, but konqueror with all the localisations installed should be able to do this but isn't and we suspect that there are once again unique codepages on windows that don't exist on windows. whom to ask`
`17:22.28`	`fk6`	`arab`
`17:22.36`	`annma`	`there is already an arab team`
`17:22.39`	`annma`	`for KDE`
`17:22.57`	`annma`	`do you belong to it?`
`17:23.05`	`fk6`	`where can i reach them best, we are moving servers here and the desktop were just a coincidence...`
`17:23.18`	`fk6`	`no, i don't belong to it.`
`17:23.22`	`annma`	`ok`
`17:23.24`	`annma`	`moment`
`17:23.26`	`annma`	`I look`
`17:23.28`	`fk6`	`thx`
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`17:24.41`	`annma`	`fk6: http://i18n.kde.org/teams/index.php?a=i&t=ar`
`17:24.41`	`Blissex`	`fk6: there are completely arabised distros around, you can look at.`
`17:24.47`	`annma`	`for ar language in kde`
`17:24.58`	`annma`	`yes, Blissex is right`
`17:25.14`	`fk6`	`btw we are not doing this for a living otherwise we would know what we are doing, we do security and this desktop business has just popped up and ppl have started asking us right and left and it is a major pain. makes me wonder how few ppl must be using arabized linux, as so many problems are not fixed, not only kde related, but printing esp...`
`17:25.44`	`fk6`	`sure that's the next step only problem we don't speak arabic, and we thought it should be possible to take a debian stable and make it arabic or at least arab compatible`
`17:25.52`	`Blissex`	`fk6: as to the file names, it depends on which encoding they are in, and which one is the system expecting them.`
`17:25.56`	`fk6`	`annna: thx`
`17:26.29`	`Blissex`	`fk6: Debian stable has a lot of stuff, but not necessarily for Arabic. It has strong support for Japanese and Chinese for example.`
`17:26.42`	`fk6`	`well, we thought utf8 solves this problem. we can write arabic file names on kde no problem, just migrating the ones from windows doesn't work`
`17:27.10`	`Blissex`	`fk6: there is no guarantee (what a euphemism!) that MS Windows uses UTF8 for pathnames in arabic :-).`
`17:27.27`	`fk6`	`:(`
`17:28.02`	`Blissex`	`fk6: note that when you 'mount' a FAT32/NTFS partition you can specify which encoding the file names are in.`
`17:28.15`	`fk6`	`Blissex: is there a specific arabic or arabic-friendly dis that you would recommend?`
`17:28.30`	`Blissex`	`fk6: I have no idea, I just read a few announcements here and there.`
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`17:29.05`	`Blissex`	`fk6: note that UTF-8 is not necessarily the ideal encoding for an arabic environment, even if it is indeed very portable.`
`17:29.35`	`Blissex`	`fk6: unfortunately to look for an ''arabic Linux distro'' ideally you would do a web search in arabic. :-).`
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`17:30.30`	`Blissex`	`fk6: I have just done a web search for the obvious keywords and there are a number of very relevant links. Have you tried doing one yourself...`
`17:30.31`	`fk6`	`Blissex: yes, that has been a problem:( it's really strange, when we google there is not out there. and how do you evaluate a distro for a gov, when you don't speak the language.`
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`17:30.50`	`fk6`	`Blissex: which is why we wanted to stay with the servers :)`
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`17:31.02`	`Blissex`	`fk6: try this: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&as_q=gnu+linux+distro&as_oq=arabic+arabized`
`17:31.15`	`aleph1`	`s`
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`17:31.47`	`fk6`	`Blissex: yes we have searched a lot, for instance there is arabeyes.org, good page, but nothing related to our problems`
`17:32.33`	`Blissex`	`http://www.eglug.org/node/389`
`17:32.35`	`fk6`	`I was just wondering whether somebody has seen a fully arabized and completely working system in and for the arab world, everything that i have seen till now, had problems, when we spoke to locals they said, yes everything works but....printing ...`
`17:32.40`	`Blissex`	`http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=arabbix`
`17:33.01`	`Blissex`	`fk6: printing is a problem in English, never mind Arabic...`
`17:33.04`	`triNode`	`hey, I'm using 3.5beta 1, i've removed my ~/.kde folder and I have 2 problems, clicking a link to a url in konversation or kontact opens kdevelop. the second problem is i keep getting invalid xml, unexpected character at 2:2 errors`
`17:33.12`	`triNode`	`any ideas on either of these problems?`
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`17:33.31`	`frb`	`does kde come with a stickynote program?`
`17:33.39`	`Doktoreas`	`any info for beta2?`
`17:33.49`	`thiago`	`frb: knotes`
`17:33.53`	`chrisag`	`frb: knote`
`17:33.53`	`thiago`	`Doktoreas: next week`
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`17:34.02`	`chrisag`	`you have to use knote & in the command prompt in the menu`
`17:34.05`	`Doktoreas`	`thx thiago`
`17:34.06`	`chrisag`	`at least that's what I do :x`
`17:34.12`	`fk6`	`Blissex: the fun start when you see the page alright with the browser, then start printing with it using cups and out come only rectangles;) and printing with openoffice arab works, those things make you go crazy :)`
`17:34.31`	`thiago`	`fk6: looks like a font problem`
`17:34.32`	`frb`	`oh nice, that means I can use kate less`
`17:34.36`	`fk6`	`Blissex: arabbix is what we wanted to try next, have the CD next to us...`
`17:34.43`	`Blissex`	`fk6: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=haydar`
`17:34.46`	`thiago`	`frb: printing with openoffice using kprinter or cups.lpr directly?`
`17:35.00`	`fk6`	`thiago: kprinter --stdin`
`17:35.13`	`thiago`	`fk6: and that prints Arabic correctly?`
`17:35.14`	`Blissex`	`fk6: those problems with fonts/printing happen all the time with english too.`
`17:35.32`	`fk6`	`and the page displays ok in firefox, we now got it to work with konquerer, but not with firefox...`
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`17:36.23`	`Blissex`	`fk6: read this page very carefully to get an idea of the enormous mess that fonts are in GNU/Linux: http://tinyurl.com/ajxgr`
`17:36.34`	`fk6`	`the one that gave me really the shit today was when we mounted the usb stick with the windows arab named files and they all turned up wildcards...i hope that we can fix it with codepages and that the relevatn ones are available on lnux`
`17:36.35`	`Blissex`	`fk6: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=phaeronix`
`17:36.53`	`thiago`	`fk6: filenames work just fine`
`17:37.06`	`thiago`	`fk6: your /etc/fstab is wrong, if the device is named there`
`17:37.17`	`thiago`	`make sure iocharset=utf8 is on the line`
`17:37.32`	`fk6`	`thiago: yes, if we create and write them in arabic on KDE, yes, but when we access a USB stick with filename that have been created with Arabic windows, no`
`17:37.40`	`Blissex`	`fk6: http://linux-maroc.org/mimosa/`
`17:37.48`	`thiago`	`fk6: was it mounted with iocharset=utf8?`
`17:38.06`	`fk6`	`thiago: no`
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`17:38.15`	`thiago`	`fk6: then you should`
`17:38.16`	`jimmy_`	`hello everybody... i have a little problem. I want to compile and install the last version of kde on a directory but not in /usr/, i want in /programs/kde/... i have download qt4 and kdelibs4, all is compiled correctly... now i want to compile kdeutils from de svn... but when i launch ./configure, for KDE libs, it doesn't go in my new directory but in /usr/lib`
`17:38.24`	`thiago`	`fk6: also make sure your environment is UTF-8`
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`17:38.37`	`jimmy_`	`checking for KDE... libraries /usr/lib, headers /programs/kde/include`
`17:38.47`	`thiago`	`jimmy_: erase everything you downloaded and try again with Qt 3.3.5 and KDE 3.5 beta 2`
`17:38.59`	`fk6`	`thiago: thx will try tomorrow`
`17:39.11`	`thiago`	`jimmy_: unless you want to join our KDE 4 development effort`
`17:39.21`	`fk6`	`thiago: not very familiar with internationalisation, where to I set the env to utf-8?`
`17:39.22`	`sredna`	`Hello`
`17:39.35`	`thiago`	`fk6: open a shell and type "locale". What do you see?`
`17:39.41`	`thiago`	`hey sredna`
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`17:39.50`	`jimmy_`	`everythings is ok with kde4 and i want to program with kde4, i just want to know how to say to ./configure to use my news libs`
`17:40.10`	`thiago`	`jimmy_: set KDEDIR and KDEDIRS`
`17:40.12`	`fk6`	`thiago: currently in our hotel, will have to check tomorrow at the ministry again`
`17:40.23`	`thiago`	`jimmy_: also set PATH so that the KDE4 kde-config is found before the KDE3 one`
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`17:41.16`	`jimmy_`	`ah yes`
`17:41.18`	`fk6`	`thiago: do you have a good webpage for me on the arabic stuff, or should we just continue with googling, was looking at the kde i18n page but didn't find much there`
`17:41.29`	`jimmy_`	`kde-config i think`
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`17:41.36`	`thiago`	`fk6: I don't have any page to refer you to, sorry`
`17:41.44`	`straw`	`does kde have known problems with svg icons?`
`17:42.05`	`fk6`	`thiago: thx anyhow will try this out tomorrow!`
`17:42.06`	`annma`	`straw: what problem?`
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`17:42.17`	`fk6`	`annna: thx for your help`
`17:42.23`	`annma`	`you're welcome`
`17:42.44`	`eXistenZ`	`annma: can you help me with my kdm?`
`17:42.58`	`annma`	`eXistenZ: I doubt it`
`17:42.59`	`straw`	`3.4.2, using the tango project icon set`
`17:43.14`	`annma`	`straw: url?`
`17:43.42`	`straw`	`sigh, it's down due to yesterday's slashdotting`
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`17:44.58`	`eXistenZ`	`annma, here is my kdm.log http://rafb.net/paste/results/tNeWSe26.html`
`17:45.05`	`straw`	`it's intent is to map kde/gnome icon themes to a standard naming scheme`
`17:45.42`	`annma`	`straw: is it a KDE theme?`
`17:46.00`	`jimmy_`	`my KDEDIR and KDEDIRS are set to /programs/kde but kde-config -- prefix give me /usr... where can i change this ?`
`17:46.25`	`straw`	`annma: yes. it's also a gnome theme ;)`
`17:46.32`	`eXistenZ`	`annma, I cannot get my kdm background. When my computer logs to kdm, it simply displays a brown-like color.`
`17:46.40`	`annma`	`straw: what kde version does it support?`
`17:46.48`	`annma`	`eXistenZ: what diostro?`
`17:46.49`	`eXistenZ`	`annma, I got all the settings in control center set well.`
`17:47.03`	`straw`	`annma: so far i seem to be the only kde person in #tango`
`17:47.19`	`eXistenZ`	`annma, deb`
`17:47.24`	`annma`	`straw: do you know what kde versio it is for?`
`17:47.32`	`annma`	`eXistenZ: ask in #debian-kde`
`17:47.56`	`straw`	`annma: no, i don't think it targets a particular version yet`
`17:48.01`	`jimmy_`	`and when i do kde-config --path lib it gives /programs/kde/lib/:/usr/local/lib/:/usr/lib/`
`17:48.11`	`annma`	`straw: so you mean it is in development`
`17:48.21`	`annma`	`straw: so what is the problem?`
`17:49.34`	`straw`	`annma: it's mostly svg, and i'm seeing scaling problems on kicker and in kcontrol`
`17:49.45`	`thiago`	`straw: KDE probably won't support Tango`
`17:49.48`	`annma`	`you have kde 3.4?`
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`17:49.57`	`annma`	`straw: currently KDE uses png`
`17:50.12`	`thiago`	`our default icon theme is Crystal for KDE 3 and will likely be Oxygen for KDE 4`
`17:50.13`	`thiago`	`no Tango`
`17:50.14`	`straw`	`thiago: i'm not sure you need to care about it`
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`17:50.33`	`annma`	`it's not care, it's support`
`17:51.06`	`straw`	`thiago: it uses perl and xml to map existing icon names to their standard names`
`17:51.10`	`annma`	`that means that if you experient scaling problems you are on your own to fix them`
`17:51.20`	`thiago`	`straw: ok, then we don't`
`17:51.22`	`thiago`	`problem solved :-)`
`17:51.36`	`straw`	`<straw> does kde have known problems with svg icons?`
`17:51.45`	`straw`	`so yes, it does?`
`17:52.16`	`thiago`	`nope, they should work fine if you have ksvg installed`
`17:52.20`	`annma`	`we don't support svg icons`
`17:52.34`	`thiago`	`we don't?`
`17:52.43`	`thiago`	`hmm... Crystal is SVG, right?`
`17:52.47`	`annma`	`well maybe we do but we don't use them, we use pngs`
`17:52.59`	`annma`	`thiago: we don't generate icons from svgs`
`17:53.02`	`annma`	`svgz`
`17:53.08`	`annma`	`as far as I know`
`17:53.26`	`thiago`	`so they're rasterised into pngs before being used?`
`17:53.31`	`annma`	`yes`
`17:53.46`	`straw`	`<icon name="accessories-calculator">`
`17:53.49`	`straw`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:53.58`	`straw`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:54.06`	`straw`	`</icon>`
`17:54.09`	`straw`	`:)`
`17:54.10`	`annma`	`straw: we don't have that currently`
`17:54.18`	`annma`	`in KDE`
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`17:54.26`	`straw`	`that's how they're doing it`
`17:54.41`	`annma`	`besides why would I have the same icons for 2 different calcs?`
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`17:54.56`	`straw`	`you don't`
`17:55.13`	`annma`	`anyway I don't have gnome`
`17:55.17`	`straw`	`you just have kcalc.png`
`17:55.23`	`annma`	`.png?`
`17:55.42`	`straw`	`which maps to accessories-calculator.svg`
`17:55.56`	`annma`	`maps?`
`17:56.00`	`annma`	`define maps`
`17:56.34`	`thiago`	`so if I had gnome-calculator and kcalc in my menu, which icon would be shown?`
`17:56.54`	`straw`	`accessories-calculator`
`17:57.00`	`annma`	`for both?`
`17:57.03`	`straw`	`i gather`
`17:57.20`	`annma`	`<annma> besides why would I have the same icons for 2 different calcs?`
`17:57.30`	`annma`	`isn't what I said?`
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`17:57.34`	`xroberx`	`hi`
`17:57.35`	`straw`	`annma! :)`
`17:57.41`	`xroberx`	`what's the name of the CD player that comes with KDE ?`
`17:57.46`	`thiago`	`xroberx: kscd`
`17:57.50`	`xroberx`	`thanks`
`17:58.06`	`annma`	`straw: what do you do in that project yourself exactly?`
`17:58.25`	`thiago`	`straw: so, suppose I add them to my panel, where text isn't shown`
`17:58.33`	`thiago`	`how do I tell one apart from the other?`
`17:58.54`	`straw`	`i've submitted a patch against the .xml, annma`
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`17:59.27`	`straw`	`thiago: you don't, only one icon is shown`
`17:59.46`	`straw`	`yeah, that's and issue...`
`18:00.00`	`straw`	`an issue, even`
`18:00.00`	`thiago`	`you can ask me why I would want to have two calculators, but...`
`18:00.13`	`thiago`	`for instance, I hope you're not standardising the web browser`
`18:01.28`	`straw`	`i realize the potential problems, and i'm hoping to get a more experienced kde user/hacker interested`
`18:01.45`	`jimmy_`	`little question... is it a program or a human that will changes in kde4, all the #include that are not supported ? and also, who will change in the source code (example: KURLDrag -> K3URLDrag) ?`
`18:02.07`	`thiago`	`jimmy_: there's a script to help you`
`18:02.14`	`jimmy_`	`where ?`
`18:02.18`	`thiago`	`but in the end you're still supposed to review everything it did`
`18:02.23`	`thiago`	`jimmy_: kdesdk/scripts`
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`18:02.25`	`jimmy_`	`of course`
`18:02.42`	`jimmy_`	`thanks :)`
`18:03.08`	`thiago`	`straw: you'll get the reply that "as long as our icon is shown, everything is ok" :-)`
`18:03.36`	`thiago`	`we're putting a lot of effort into creating a new theme (Oxygen) for a reason`
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`18:04.17`	`straw`	`thiago: it will be. the folks working on it, while they are gnome folks, will no doubt be respectful of that`
`18:04.52`	`thiago`	`so I wonder why no one from KDE was invited to work with them`
`18:05.08`	`jimmy_`	`...where is kdesdk/scripts ?? :-s`
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`18:05.29`	`thiago`	`jimmy_: in the kdesdk package`
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`18:06.15`	`thiago`	`jimmy_: you can find it in http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdesdk/scripts`
`18:06.25`	`jimmy_`	`ok, thanks :)`
`18:06.36`	`abattoir`	`Hello...`
`18:06.42`	`straw`	`thiago: they're just getting started, afaict`
`18:06.51`	`thiago`	`straw: anyways, I had never heard of Tango before you mentioned it`
`18:06.53`	`abattoir`	`I am trying to install apollon on an x86-64 machine...`
`18:07.17`	`abattoir`	`i get "checking for KDE... configure: error:`
`18:07.19`	`abattoir`	`in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE libraries installed"...`
`18:07.27`	`abattoir`	`I have the relevant kde libraries installed`
`18:07.36`	`thiago`	`abattoir: in the prefix you have chosen, are the kde libraries installed?`
`18:07.48`	`abattoir`	`thiago:`
`18:07.53`	`abattoir`	`thiago: yes`
`18:07.55`	`straw`	`thiago: well, once their site's back up i'll spam you the link and you can have a look`
`18:08.06`	`thiago`	`abattoir: then please check config.log to see the reason why it thinks they are not`
`18:08.12`	`thiago`	`straw: ok`
`18:08.15`	`abattoir`	`but the configure script does not look into the right path`
`18:08.21`	`abattoir`	`i checked that too`
`18:08.41`	`abattoir`	`it looks for the file in paths where it does not exist`
`18:08.44`	`thiago`	`abattoir: so, are the kde libraries installed _in_ the prefix you chose?`
`18:08.57`	`abattoir`	`thiago: yes`
`18:09.05`	`abattoir`	`but when i prefix a path....`
`18:09.13`	`thiago`	`abattoir: where is your kde-config?`
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`18:09.30`	`abattoir`	`another path is suffixed, like /lib/plugins ....`
`18:09.39`	`abattoir`	`thiago: one sec`
`18:10.01`	`abattoir`	`thiago: /usr/bin/kde-config`
`18:10.13`	`thiago`	`and is /usr the prefix you chose?`
`18:10.18`	`abattoir`	`yes`
`18:10.30`	`thiago`	`what does kde-config --prefix say?`
`18:10.50`	`abattoir`	`/usr`
`18:11.23`	`thiago`	`is KDEDIR or KDEDIRS set?`
`18:11.32`	`abattoir`	`i exported it`
`18:11.39`	`abattoir`	`it wasnt set initially`
`18:11.43`	`thiago`	`what are they set to?`
`18:11.58`	`abattoir`	`/usr`
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`18:12.22`	`abattoir`	`i also tried setting it to /usr/lib64/kde3`
`18:12.26`	`abattoir`	`that didnt work either`
`18:12.31`	`thiago`	`unset both`
`18:12.34`	`annma`	`do you have the devel packages from your distro?`
`18:12.36`	`thiago`	`does configure work now?`
`18:12.58`	`abattoir`	`annma: yes`
`18:13.05`	`abattoir`	`thiago: one sec pls.`
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`18:13.32`	`abattoir`	`thiago: no it does not work`
`18:13.38`	`straw`	`thiago: is there a kde spec around for icon sets?`
`18:13.48`	`abattoir`	`I also had a problem with qt...`
`18:13.51`	`AnotherData`	`when did kde 3.4.3 come out?`
`18:14.14`	`abattoir`	`I had to manually prefix the path with "--with-qt-libraries=/usr/lib/qt3/lib64"`
`18:14.21`	`thiago`	`straw: not sure, but I think so`
`18:14.27`	`thiago`	`abattoir: what's the error now?`
`18:14.38`	`thiago`	`abattoir: what library isn't found?`
`18:14.39`	`abattoir`	`thiago: its the same`
`18:14.47`	`jimmy_`	`how to use scripts : like this ? ./adapte-to-kde4-api.pl../../kdeutils/kgpg/listkeys.cpp because it doesn't work`
`18:14.52`	`thiago`	`I want the exact error`
`18:15.00`	`abattoir`	`kdewidgets.la`
`18:15.01`	`thiago`	`jimmy_: ask laurent montel`
`18:15.11`	`thiago`	`abattoir: where is that in your system?`
`18:15.19`	`abattoir`	`the error is : checking for KDE... configure: error:`
`18:15.21`	`abattoir`	`in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE libraries installed. This will fail.`
`18:15.21`	`abattoir`	`So, check this please and use another prefix!`
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`18:15.30`	`humbolt`	`is it normal that artsd starts in 3 instances when full-duplex is enabled?`
`18:15.50`	`thiago`	`humbolt: threading`
`18:16.18`	`abattoir`	`thiago: it is in /usr/lib64/kde3/plugins/designer`
`18:16.19`	`thiago`	`abattoir: where is kdewidgets.la in your system?`
`18:16.26`	`thiago`	`hmm...`
`18:16.31`	`thiago`	`what is QTDIR set to?`
`18:16.44`	`abattoir`	`/usr/lib/qt/lib64`
`18:17.08`	`thiago`	`looks ok`
`18:17.26`	`abattoir`	`actually it is /usr/lib/qt3/lib64`
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`18:18.05`	`abattoir`	`oh sorry just qt3 not qt3/lib64.. that was the configure prefix`
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`18:19.22`	`thiago`	`abattoir: I don't know`
`18:19.29`	`thiago`	`the lib64 thing worries me`
`18:19.36`	`abattoir`	`I just need to tell configure the right path`
`18:19.46`	`abattoir`	`how do i do that`
`18:19.54`	`abattoir`	`without it suffixing /lib/....`
`18:20.11`	`thiago`	`--with-extra-libs=`
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`18:20.20`	`abattoir`	`i did that....`
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`18:20.54`	`abattoir`	`but it then puts /lib/kde3/plugins.... after the path i specify`
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`18:25.21`	`thiago`	`it adds kde3/plugins/designer/ to it`
`18:25.41`	`humbolt`	`does anybody have any experience with skype using arts? I get a segfault every time I want to make a call`
`18:25.54`	`humbolt`	`using artsdsp -m skype`
`18:26.40`	`thiago`	`abattoir: I don't see it adding "lib"`
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`18:27.50`	`abattoir`	`thiago: I dont know... that what config.log says...`
`18:28.21`	`abattoir`	`configure: 29583: /usr/lib64/kde3/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/kdewidgets.la`
`18:28.47`	`thiago`	`where is your libkio.la?`
`18:28.49`	`abattoir`	`i specified /usr/lib64/kde3 as the path`
`18:29.04`	`abattoir`	`that was found correctly`
`18:29.16`	`abattoir`	`@ /usr/lib64/kde3/lib/libkio.la`
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`18:29.36`	`thiago`	`that's not the path I expected`
`18:29.44`	`thiago`	`it should be /usr/lib64/libkio.la`
`18:30.38`	`abattoir`	`oh it is there in /usr/lib64/libkio.la`
`18:31.23`	`thiago`	`is it readable?`
`18:32.29`	`abattoir`	`how do i check that... isnt it binary????`
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`18:32.51`	`thiago`	`no, it's a text file`
`18:32.53`	`thiago`	`try and cat it`
`18:32.56`	`thiago`	`does it work?`
`18:32.59`	`abattoir`	`ok wait`
`18:33.20`	`abattoir`	`yes, i can read it`
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`18:33.47`	`thiago`	`ok, then I don't know`
`18:34.06`	`thiago`	`I'm reading the code that outputs that error and I can't solve it`
`18:34.16`	`thiago`	`are you sure you passed --prefix=/usr ?`
`18:34.20`	`abattoir`	`yes`
`18:34.32`	`abattoir`	`generally i dont have to do that for ./configure scripts...`
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`18:34.39`	`abattoir`	`but i tried almost everything`
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`18:35.20`	`abattoir`	`there is no rpm for x86-64 Mandriva 2006 too...`
`18:35.29`	`abattoir`	`thiago: thanks a lot anyway`
`18:36.42`	`karye`	`Cervisia can generate patch files, but how to apply them?`
`18:37.17`	`annma`	`patch -i patch_file`
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`18:37.41`	`annma`	`man patch will help you`
`18:38.09`	`annma`	`man:patch in konqueror for a nice layout`
`18:38.30`	`karye`	`Though perhaps Kompare or KDiff3 or even KDevelop had that features hidden somewhere...`
`18:39.52`	`annma`	`I don't think so`
`18:40.16`	`karye`	`ok, thx :)`
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`18:40.23`	`annma`	`in anycase it's so easy at the command line`
`18:40.44`	`thiago`	`the only thing I know that can apply patches is emacs's ediff mode`
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`18:41.38`	`rcoffman`	`i need some help with kopete is anyone here`
`18:41.51`	`annma`	`maybe in #kopete, rcoffman`
`18:42.03`	`rcoffman`	`ok thanks`
`18:42.19`	`abattoir`	`thiago: never mind... an apollon rpm is up at plf... thanks a lot anyways :D`
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`18:47.10`	`Eno_`	`heh`
`18:47.12`	`Eno_`	`nevermind`
`18:47.16`	`Eno_`	`i just figured it out`
`18:47.19`	`annma`	`:)`
`18:47.38`	`Eno_`	`kcontrol, system bell, and there it was :)`
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`18:49.40`	`chrisag`	`annma: maybe you can help me with this. Is there a reason distribution lists in 3.5 in kontact aren't working i.e. adding. Am I missing a dependencies somewhere?`
`18:49.59`	`annma`	`chrisag: ask in #kontact better`
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`18:50.08`	`chrisag`	`I did.. they all seem to be gone :(`
`18:50.19`	`chrisag`	`And you're a smart cookie ;) so I figured you might know`
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`19:12.33`	`Pinaraf`	`I think I found a serious issue in k3b, but I want to be sure`
`19:12.48`	`rnn`	`too :P`
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`19:13.29`	`Pinaraf`	`I downloaded the five ISO of Suse 10.1 alpha 1`
`19:13.44`	`Pinaraf`	`I launched k3b`
`19:13.59`	`Pinaraf`	`went to the right folder`
`19:14.05`	`Pinaraf`	`clicked on the CD1 => it burned it`
`19:14.34`	`Pinaraf`	`I then clicked on the CD2 => it showed me the burn ISO dialog, ok, but with the CD1 instead of CD2`
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`19:15.13`	`hydrogen`	`disappointing`
`19:15.37`	`Pinaraf`	`k3b 0.12.2...`
`19:16.02`	`rnn`	`When I hold on my shift during 8 seconds, my keyboard doenst works more.. just when I use k3b I have this problem`
`19:16.11`	`rnn`	`someone has the solution? :o`
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`19:20.39`	`PhilRod`	`rnn: see control center -> regional & a11y -> a11y`
`19:20.57`	`PhilRod`	`there are keyboard shortcuts to turn on a11y features`
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`19:23.13`	`rnn`	`"Use slow..."`
`19:23.15`	`rnn`	`what is it?`
`19:23.19`	`rnn`	`slow key`
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`19:24.20`	`PhilRod`	`you want to switch stuff off under "activation gestures"`
`19:25.29`	`rnn`	`this is good or no/`
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`19:27.48`	`PhilRod`	`well, if you don't know that you need such features, you don't need them, so switch them off :-)`
`19:28.13`	`hamw`	`<ik heb een probleem met kmail bij opstarten van PC. Wie is er bekend met opstartproblemen van kde?`
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`19:32.47`	`hamw`	`I got a problem with kmail at start up of kde. Who is able tot help out?`
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`19:34.42`	`squarepants`	`i download 2.6 kernel but the control center of kde 3.3.2 says it can't set it up.. what must i download to support it?`
`19:34.42`	`squarepants`	`i am using debian so i can use apt-get`
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`19:38.02`	`hamw`	`Hello, is someone there to discus a problem about kmail?`
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`19:39.11`	`kendrick`	`okay, my wife asks:`
`19:39.22`	`kendrick`	`"which do you recommend, bill? kdepim, or ::sigh:: korganizer or kontact?"`
`19:40.51`	`PhilRod`	`kontact is quite nice`
`19:41.16`	`kendrick`	`she's looking, i'm *.kde.org'ing for her`
`19:41.20`	`PhilRod`	`hamw: just ask. If someone knows, they'll tell you`
`19:41.46`	`PhilRod`	`hamw: you can also ask in #kontact`
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`19:42.46`	`hamw`	`PhilRod: I'll alk #Kontact. Thanks.`
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`19:54.39`	`oGALAXYo`	`you can configure the kernel in kde's controlcenter ?`
`19:55.50`	`frb`	`apt-get clue`
`19:56.24`	`squarepants`	`only up to 2.5`
`19:56.29`	`straw`	`oGALAXYo: you could. i think that's gone in recent releases`
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`20:10.44`	`duce`	`I have a littel Problem. I have installed kpim and gnupg. When I want to activate the encription in kmail, I get an error message - something like "No Backends...". Don't know what's wrong...`
`20:12.32`	`sredna`	`duce: You need a newer gnupg probably. Read more on the kmail website at http://kmail.kde.org`
`20:13.06`	`sredna`	`duce: Also look in the configuration of kmail and see if it is probably enabled`
`20:13.13`	`sredna`	`Properly`
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`20:21.43`	`mgoose`	`hey all, I was hoping somebody could help me fix some annoying Konqueror behavior`
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`20:22.08`	`mgoose`	`1: how do I do firefox-like domain completion?`
`20:22.09`	`ponto`	`mgoose: without describing the problem, nobody will help`
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`20:22.44`	`ponto`	`mgoose: domain completition?`
`20:23.05`	`mgoose`	`2: when I click on my mousewheel to scroll up and down while web browsing, it tries to go to a URL`
`20:23.09`	`mgoose`	`any way to make it just scroll?`
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`20:23.39`	`mgoose`	`ponto: like if you type google + Ctrl+Enter in firefox, it will attach http://www. to the front and .com to the end`
`20:23.46`	`mgoose`	`and start going to the page`
`20:24.01`	`mgoose`	`when I say "in firefox" I mean in the location bar`
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`20:25.26`	`ponto`	`mgoose: klicking with the mouse wheel is the middle mouse button click.`
`20:26.01`	`Matt\|CS\|`	`Anyone know which kde package contains meinproc?`
`20:27.02`	`mgoose`	`ponto: ok, but do you know how to make it do the behavior I want, is that possible?`
`20:27.36`	`ponto`	`mgoose: here firefox has the same behaviour on middle click.`
`20:27.53`	`mgoose`	`oh`
`20:27.58`	`mgoose`	`there is an option however`
`20:28.06`	`mgoose`	`in the Advanced section, I believe`
`20:28.09`	`ponto`	`Matt\|CS\|: here on suse its kdelibs`
`20:28.18`	`mgoose`	`either enabling autoscrolling or smooth scrolling`
`20:28.50`	`mgoose`	`will make it the way I'm talking about`
`20:29.12`	`Matt\|CS\|`	`ponto: I'd figure gentoo would be the same, as well as the rest of the linux world. I'm having problems with it in 3.4.2-r1`
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`20:29.47`	`SAngeli`	`I am trying to install icons from kde-look. where is in Contro Center "Look and Feel" and "Icons"?`
`20:30.36`	`apokryphos`	`SAngeli: appearance&themes -> icons`
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`20:31.08`	`ponto`	`mgoose: smooth scrolling you have with shift + up or shift + down`
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`20:31.57`	`mgoose`	`I see, thx`
`20:32.00`	`gabrielli`	`hello`
`20:32.05`	`mgoose`	`not quite what I wanted but it'll have to do`
`20:32.06`	`ponto`	`mgoose: but you can also have the smooth scrolling behavisour when you enable it in konqueror preferences -> webbehaviour`
`20:32.08`	`mr_clark`	`Hi. Is there a way to save settings in ktimers between uses?`
`20:32.17`	`mgoose`	`oh, let me try that ponto`
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`20:32.51`	`I3ooI3oo`	`Ello all`
`20:33.04`	`SAngeli`	`apokryphos: thank you. Could you please explain to me why anytime I try to install a new icon, like this http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28375 I get that this is not a valid icon theme archive?`
`20:33.20`	`ponto`	`mgoose: hoever this disables the middle click opening the page in a new window. In my opinion this feature is way better than smooth scrolling`
`20:33.25`	`mgoose`	`ponto: aha! thanks, I had to disable that thing`
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`20:33.59`	`mgoose`	`actually it doesn't, I am still able to middle click on a link and have it open like before`
`20:34.00`	`apokryphos`	`it's an alpha`
`20:34.16`	`mgoose`	`(I have new links open in tabs, not new windows, so that's still what it does)`
`20:34.18`	`mgoose`	`excellent`
`20:34.44`	`SAngeli`	`apokryphos: meaning ofr alpha PC?`
`20:35.02`	`apokryphos`	`meaning it's an alpha release`
`20:35.12`	`ponto`	`mgoose: i mixed this with pasting addresses from clipboard. this is also a feature i use often and smooth scrolling never.`
`20:35.22`	`SAngeli`	`apokryphos: so alpha releases cannot be installed?`
`20:35.42`	`apokryphos`	`it depends`
`20:35.48`	`mgoose`	`ponto: heh, quite the opposite for me =)`
`20:35.54`	`duce`	`sredna, I am using Ubuntu, so I think it should work together...I have looked in the kmail konfiguration - I can't enable encription also in "krypto modules". Same error message.`
`20:35.55`	`mgoose`	`good thing it supports both`
`20:37.08`	`SAngeli`	`apokryphos: I will try again with another one, like this: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28857`
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`20:38.04`	`castoro`	`ciao c'è qualche italiano?`
`20:39.05`	`SAngeli`	`si`
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`20:39.24`	`SAngeli`	`castoro: how can I help you?`
`20:39.26`	`castoro`	`di dove?`
`20:39.32`	`SAngeli`	`Perugia`
`20:39.39`	`castoro`	`Rimini`
`20:39.53`	`SAngeli`	`non so se si può parlare in italiano qui`
`20:39.59`	`SAngeli`	`se vuoi query me`
`20:40.50`	`SAngeli`	`castoro: ./query SAngeli`
`20:42.09`	`adamt`	`haha, made konqueror crash :P`
`20:42.22`	`castoro`	non ridere ma come si fà`
`20:42.49`	`SAngeli`	`castoro: digita questo ./query SAngeli`
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`20:43.03`	`adamt`	`parlano Inglesa`
`20:43.05`	`castoro`	`./query SAngeli`
`20:43.15`	`adamt`	`or.. whatever`
`20:43.32`	`adamt`	`point being, this is an english channel, not italian`
`20:43.43`	`castoro`	`sorry`
`20:43.48`	`adamt`	`=)`
`20:43.49`	`SAngeli`	`un attimino`
`20:43.54`	`SAngeli`	`ti do il giusto comando`
`20:44.07`	`SAngeli`	`adamt: kind of Inglesa, ;-)`
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`20:44.17`	`adamt`	`:P`
`20:44.30`	`SAngeli`	`castoro: scrivi solo: /query SAngeli`
`20:44.34`	`adamt`	`ohh well, i might as well improve my italian`
`20:44.48`	`castoro`	`on peut parler francais? or only inglis`
`20:44.56`	`SAngeli`	`adamt: for sure. Anytime I am here, when I am :-)`
`20:45.24`	`castoro`	`hello`
`20:45.30`	`SAngeli`	`ci sei?`
`20:45.47`	`castoro`	`si ma ho letto che non si parla italiano`
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`20:46.21`	`SAngeli`	`fai come ti ho suggerito. Questo ti apre una finestra dove solo noi due parliamo`
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`20:47.07`	`castoro`	`./query SAngeli`
`20:47.15`	`SAngeli`	`senza puntino`
`20:47.25`	`SAngeli`	`almost there ;-)`
`20:48.42`	`SAngeli`	`castoro: provaci nuovamente scrivi senza punto la frase /query SAngeli`
`20:49.08`	`castoro`	`ci sono già ma vedo che non rispondi`
`20:49.41`	`SAngeli`	`chiudila e riaprila nuovamente. Io non ho ricevuto alcun invito`
`20:49.55`	`SAngeli`	`chiudila ti chiamo io`
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`20:50.41`	`Fusionfox`	`what KDE i need to download to get KDE??`
`20:50.46`	`Fusionfox`	`=P`
`20:51.21`	`SAngeli`	`castoro: what irc application are you using`
`20:51.42`	`StevenR`	`Fusionfox: ??`
`20:52.23`	`Fusionfox`	`StevenR: it is just ther are so many files in the web page i am not really sure how to update my KDE...`
`20:52.34`	`StevenR`	`which page?`
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`20:52.42`	`castoro`	`konversetation suse 9.3`
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`20:52.55`	`_dennis`	`German guy here?`
`20:52.56`	`Fusionfox`	`www.kde.org`
`20:53.05`	`StevenR`	`there are no files on that page`
`20:53.08`	`_dennis`	`ich habe eine frage`
`20:53.16`	`Fusionfox`	`in the download section`
`20:53.17`	`_dennis`	`Wen german guys ihr sind`
`20:53.19`	`SAngeli`	`castoro: did you see any new windows open?`
`20:53.32`	`zero0`	`is X an efficient protocol?`
`20:53.37`	`Fusionfox`	`well right now i clicked on the page that it says on this chat`
`20:53.46`	`thiago`	`zero0: yes, if your latency is below 1 ms`
`20:53.47`	`castoro`	`si`
`20:53.55`	`Fusionfox`	`is it safe to get KDE 5??`
`20:53.59`	`zero0`	`more efficient than RDP 5.2?`
`20:54.03`	`thiago`	`Fusionfox: well, no`
`20:54.05`	`StevenR`	`Fusionfox: pleaseb e more clear about what you want to achieve`
`20:54.09`	`SAngeli`	`castoro: la vedi una nuova finestrella con il mio nome?`
`20:54.15`	`thiago`	`Fusionfox: since the latest version is 3.4.2, if you find 5 somewhere, it's a hoax`
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`20:54.24`	`castoro`	`no`
`20:54.29`	`thiago`	`zero0: different purposes`
`20:54.31`	`SAngeli`	`che finestrelle vedi?`
`20:54.32`	`zero0`	`i need number on this`
`20:54.38`	`zero0`	`same objective`
`20:54.40`	`Sgep`	`Is it just me, or does k3b not use KIO?`
`20:54.45`	`Fusionfox`	`i want to get KDE 3.5, what do i need to download to get it?`
`20:54.45`	`zero0`	`the end user experience`
`20:54.47`	`thiago`	`zero0: no, different purposes`
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`20:55.00`	`zero0`	`well okie`
`20:55.04`	`thiago`	`zero0: X is for local or LAN usage, and for that it works incredibly fine`
`20:55.06`	`StevenR`	`Fusionfox: kde 3.5 is not out yet, there's only beta at the moment`
`20:55.15`	`zero0`	`RDP 5.2 does for local and LAN use too`
`20:55.22`	`zero0`	`let's compare it that way`
`20:55.28`	`thiago`	`zero0: it uses a lot of bandwidth and does a lot of round-trip, but ANY graphical application in Unix should be able to talk it`
`20:55.34`	`Fusionfox`	`okey then is more recommended to get KDE 3.4?`
`20:55.37`	`zero0`	`ok`
`20:55.41`	`zero0`	`that's what I need to know`
`20:55.46`	`zero0`	`then X needs to be changed :)`
`20:55.54`	`thiago`	`Fusionfox: 3.4.3 (not released) or if you feel like helping us, 3.5 beta 2`
`20:55.55`	`thiago`	`zero0: no`
`20:55.59`	`zero0`	`yes`
`20:56.03`	`zero0`	`i'm going to make it happen`
`20:56.04`	`thiago`	`zero0: X works fine as it is and has no need to change`
`20:56.08`	`thiago`	`zero0: yeah, right`
`20:56.08`	`annma`	`lol`
`20:56.11`	`thiago`	`zero0: what do you want to do?`
`20:56.11`	`zero0`	`it's hella slow`
`20:56.17`	`thiago`	`zero0: slow?`
`20:56.18`	`SAngeli`	`castoro: che fine hai fatto? Quante finestrelle o cartelle vedi?`
`20:56.20`	`thiago`	`zero0: how so?`
`20:56.21`	`annma`	`ok when you're finished let us know`
`20:56.21`	`zero0`	`i want to make a faster protocol`
`20:56.27`	`zero0`	`faster than RDP`
`20:56.32`	`annma`	`yeah`
`20:56.35`	`thiago`	`zero0: it already exists: NX`
`20:56.37`	`zero0`	`that's how it should be`
`20:56.41`	`zero0`	`NX is slower than RDP`
`20:56.42`	`zero0`	`I tried`
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`20:56.45`	`thiago`	`zero0: it's X with compression and round-trip-suppresion`
`20:56.49`	`zero0`	`cuz of it just optimized X`
`20:56.53`	`thiago`	`no`
`20:56.53`	`annma`	`you should get started instead of bragging`
`20:57.02`	`thiago`	`zero0: show me some figures and we'll talk`
`20:57.03`	`zero0`	`annma, i'm gathering info`
`20:57.05`	`thiago`	`for now, this conversation is over`
`20:57.09`	`zero0`	`haha`
`20:57.10`	`ponto`	`Is this NX stuff able to transmit only one window through the line?`
`20:57.11`	`annma`	`here? on X?`
`20:57.12`	`zero0`	`i'm gathering info`
`20:57.17`	`Fusionfox`	`thiago: i feel like, only problem i dont know how =P, well in the download section it says locations and start with a list of programs or files i am not really sure but what do i need to download??`
`20:57.19`	`thiago`	`ponto: full desktop too`
`20:57.32`	`zero0`	`from my experience NX on top of X is slower than RDP 5.2`
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`20:57.50`	`thiago`	`Fusionfox: you should use your distribution's update mechanism`
`20:58.02`	`zero0`	`NX has differential update`
`20:58.04`	`zero0`	`on X`
`20:58.08`	`zero0`	`but that's still won't cut it`
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`20:58.19`	`Fusionfox`	`thiago: but it says it is up to date and it i skde 3.3`
`20:58.23`	`ponto`	`thiago: i do not want to have the full desktop. only one app, like basic X`
`20:58.27`	`annma`	`thiago: would you know if it was possible to integrate the handbook of an embedded app in the Help menu?`
`20:58.38`	`SAngeli`	`Gyus something strange: I use XChat and to query someone I just type /query nikname, right?`
`20:58.45`	`zero0`	`i'm going into NX channel :)`
`20:58.55`	`thiago`	`Fusionfox: well, too bad. You may have to upgrade your distribution.`
`20:59.10`	`thiago`	`annma: I don't know. Does Kontact do it now?`
`20:59.11`	`SAngeli`	`if I open Konversaton, I type /query my nikname, I see in konversation a new windows but in XChat nothing. Is this possible????`
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`20:59.14`	`Sgep`	`Most up-to-date distro?`
`20:59.16`	`annma`	`thiago: no, none does it`
`20:59.19`	`thiago`	`ponto: it can do one app and full desktop`
`20:59.25`	`thiago`	`annma: then I don't know, sorry`
`20:59.27`	`ponto`	`thiago: ok, thanks`
`20:59.34`	`Fusionfox`	`thiago: but i got latest debian 3.1 sarge there isnt a more updated distro`
`20:59.36`	`annma`	`I was wondering what bug would that be`
`20:59.46`	`annma`	`what component bug`
`20:59.48`	`thiago`	`SAngeli: what do you want? For no window to appear even though you told it to show one?`
`20:59.57`	`thiago`	`ponto: it's faster with a full desktop`
`21:00.11`	`SAngeli`	`thiago: I believe this is happening due to: Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer`
`21:00.12`	`ponto`	`thiago: ? how comes`
`21:00.17`	`thiago`	`Fusionfox: "Debian" and "updated" don't go together in the same sentence :-P`
`21:00.31`	`thiago`	`Fusionfox: try switching to sid or testing`
`21:00.46`	`thiago`	`SAngeli: /nickserv help set`
`21:00.46`	`SAngeli`	`thiago: there was a user needing help (in italian) and I was tring to get this user to a private chat so i would not disturb this channel`
`21:00.59`	`thiago`	`ponto: when you start a full desktop, it runs nxagent, which does caching`
`21:01.11`	`thiago`	`ponto: a single app can't run nxagent`
`21:01.15`	`SAngeli`	`thiago: but this needs to be done on the user part or on mine? I am registered, already`
`21:01.25`	`thiago`	`SAngeli: /umode +6 works too`
`21:01.34`	`thiago`	`SAngeli: it must be done on the part that can't receive`
`21:01.51`	`SAngeli`	`thiago: so, in this case me (even if i am registered?)`
`21:01.57`	`ponto`	`thiago: i am not allowed to start a full desktop on our computing machines`
`21:02.06`	`thiago`	`SAngeli: yes, especially since you are registered`
`21:02.12`	`thiago`	`ponto: NX should still work`
`21:02.18`	`SAngeli`	`thiago: please, what is /umode +6?`
`21:02.29`	`thiago`	`SAngeli: "turn off spam-filtering" :-P`
`21:02.42`	`zero0`	`who created X anyways?`
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`21:03.02`	`SAngeli`	`thiago: is this the only way to?`
`21:03.03`	`thiago`	`zero0: search Google`
`21:03.14`	`SAngeli`	`thiago: do you also have /umode +6 implemented?`
`21:03.21`	`thiago`	`SAngeli: everyone does`
`21:03.25`	`thiago`	`SAngeli: no exceptions`
`21:04.00`	`SAngeli`	`thiago: I was under the impression that being registered allows my not to receive spam messages. So, is this wrong?`
`21:05.32`	`thiago`	`SAngeli: it allows you to turn the feature on and off via nickserv`
`21:05.43`	`thiago`	`SAngeli: you can also turn it on and off without nickserv, using /umode`
`21:06.17`	`SAngeli`	`thiago: just typing /umode? or /umode followeb by something that would equal to eithr on or off`
`21:06.27`	`thiago`	`SAngeli: /umode +6 turns filtering off`
`21:06.32`	`thiago`	`/umode -6 turns filtering on`
`21:06.40`	`SAngeli`	`thank youuuu this is great`
`21:10.40`	`SAngeli`	`thiago: how come when I type /umode +6 I get: Unknown MODE flag ?`
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`21:11.39`	`thiago`	`SAngeli: hmm... testing`
`21:11.47`	`thiago`	`you can't turn it on without nickserv, sorry`
`21:11.58`	`thiago`	`you must be registered to turn it on`
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`21:12.38`	`SAngeli`	`thiago: but I am`
`21:12.52`	`elvirolo`	`does anyone know when will kde 3.5 beta 2 be released ?`
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`21:13.08`	`thiago`	`elvirolo: less than 10 days`
`21:13.09`	`LinuxGold`	`what is the keyboard shortcut that locks session?`
`21:13.13`	`thiago`	`it's tagged already`
`21:13.16`	`LinuxGold`	`like ctrl alt del to NT`
`21:13.31`	`thiago`	`LinuxGold: no, no Windows it's Win+L :-P`
`21:13.41`	`elvirolo`	`thiago: ok thanks`
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`21:13.58`	`LinuxGold`	`thiago: for KDE?`
`21:14.09`	`thiago`	`LinuxGold: that depends on your keyboard scheme`
`21:14.15`	`LinuxGold`	`M$ Natural.`
`21:14.16`	`thiago`	`the 3-modifier one uses Ctrl+Alt+L`
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`21:14.34`	`LinuxGold`	`aha`
`21:14.39`	`LinuxGold`	`ctrl alt l that is.`
`21:14.39`	`thiago`	`the 4-modif one is Win+ScrollLock`
`21:14.40`	`LinuxGold`	`thanks.`
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`21:22.32`	`asparagui`	`when's 3.4.3 gonna be declared?`
`21:22.44`	`thiago`	`next week`
`21:23.31`	`asparagui`	`so this mac build is unofficial.`
`21:23.53`	`thiago`	`nope`
`21:23.59`	`thiago`	`just before the release`
`21:24.04`	`thiago`	`3.4.3 already exists`
`21:24.08`	`asparagui`	`ahh k.`
`21:24.23`	`asparagui`	`shaking out any last-minute bugs?`
`21:24.58`	`asparagui`	`know this is a ways out, but is there any sort of hopeful timeling for kde4?`
`21:25.06`	`asparagui`	`summer, fall '06?`
`21:25.14`	`chavo`	`thiago, I had a question about kmail's responsiveness when checking for mail yesterday. would building it without libpth-dev effect that`
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`21:25.52`	`thiago`	`what is libpth-dev?`
`21:26.05`	`chavo`	`I assume it's pthread`
`21:26.14`	`thiago`	`I don't`
`21:26.15`	`chavo`	`I'm on kubuntu`
`21:26.21`	`chavo`	`ok`
`21:26.28`	`thiago`	`if it were pthread, it would be part of libc`
`21:26.32`	`thiago`	`and KDE doesn't build without it`
`21:26.53`	`chavo`	`hmm, I rebuilt kmail yesterday and now it's crashing`
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`21:43.27`	`MooingLemur`	`does anyone know how to map what alt-drag does to win-drag instead? I have VNC sessions to X desktops and I want to be able to alt-drag inside of them without having my local X11 grabbing that keystroke.`
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`21:47.02`	`PhilRod`	`control center -> either "window behaviour" or "mouse"`
`21:47.09`	`PhilRod`	`MooingLemur: ^^^`
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`21:48.23`	`MooingLemur`	`excellent, window behavior, actions, change alt to meta.`
`21:48.32`	`MooingLemur`	`I was trying to do all this in keyboard shortcuts :)`
`21:48.33`	`MooingLemur`	`thanks`
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`22:26.29`	`LinuxGold`	`anyone got BAD ASS theme for KDE?`
`22:26.38`	`LinuxGold`	`something that DEMANDS respect.`
`22:27.17`	`gravix`	`masturbation.`
`22:27.33`	`LinuxGold`	`eck`
`22:28.29`	`koala_man`	`gravix: I thought you were a girl`
`22:28.48`	`gravix`	`looks like you were wrong`
`22:30.40`	`LinuxGold`	`would be nice if KDE Ttheme Manager would download ALL themes.`
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`22:33.14`	`LinuxGold`	`aha`
`22:35.18`	`Tm_T`	`:(`
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`22:38.36`	`mebrelith`	`So is 3.4.3 out or what folks?`
`22:41.34`	`mebrelith`	`wow it looks like i caught you all asleep or something`
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`22:42.24`	`gravix`	`indeed`
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`22:43.39`	`madman91`	`is there a kde program that is a gui partition resizer?`
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`22:44.46`	`robin`	`Hi, i'm playing with kioclient`
`22:45.39`	`robin`	`however the --help does not seem to be ok. According to it I should be able to do "kioclient ls --noname -U camera:/"`
`22:45.52`	`robin`	`but kioclient does not accept the noname option.`
`22:46.18`	`robin`	`anyone knows some other way?`
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`23:02.47`	`thiago`	`robin: options always precede non-options`
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`23:04.01`	`robin`	`yes... isn't that what I'm doing?`
`23:04.24`	`thiago`	`"ls" is a non-option`
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`23:05.50`	`palmax`	`Buenas`
`23:05.52`	`robin`	`hmm, but apparently -U is ok in "kioclient ls -U camera:/"`
`23:07.16`	`robin`	`putting --noname before doesn't work either.`
`23:07.34`	`thiago`	`oh, ok`
`23:07.47`	`robin`	`ofcourse I'm on KDE 3.4.2`
`23:07.50`	`g3nocide`	`can anyone tell me why i can burn make images of dvd's and burn them fine through command line tools, yet when using k3b, it p[retty much barfs all over itself (goes super slow, fails, etc)`
`23:08.22`	`robin`	`the only reference googe finds are som commits and some example under kdebluetooth.`
`23:08.43`	`chrisag`	`Has anyone else noticed in 3.5 beta if you use an external taskbar kicker locks up?`
`23:08.43`	`thiago`	`robin: it is under kdebluetooth`
`23:08.50`	`robin`	`no`
`23:08.52`	`palmax`	`Hello`
`23:08.53`	`thiago`	`I see the noname option, but it's not used anywhere`
`23:09.00`	`robin`	`just some examples using it`
`23:09.22`	`palmax`	`I'm trying baghira, and I love it`
`23:09.22`	`palmax`	`:D`
`23:09.40`	`g3nocide`	`can anyone tell me why i can burn make images of dvd's and burn them fine through command line tools, yet when using k3b, it pretty much barfs all over itself (goes super slow, fails, etc)`
`23:11.42`	`robin`	`hmm. actually it IS in the kdebluetoth package`
`23:11.45`	`palmax`	`g3nocide: i dont remember cdrecord => google it`
`23:11.46`	`palmax`	`:D`
`23:11.50`	`robin`	`sry bout that`
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`23:15.06`	`robin`	`Looks like a good place to practice some KDE koding in.`
`23:15.11`	`robin`	`goot night.`
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`23:38.45`	`chandoo`	`hi :)`
`23:38.54`	`chandoo`	`i am quite irritated with kscd`
`23:39.08`	`chandoo`	`when ever i insert cd in cdrom drive it will start automatically`
`23:39.13`	`Tm_T`	`:(`
`23:39.23`	`Tm_T`	`I know the feeling`
`23:39.32`	`chandoo`	`even after i quit KSCD, again it starts after a while`
`23:39.50`	`StevenR`	`my system never does that`
`23:40.08`	`chandoo`	`i had unchecked AutoStart option and i also edited kscdrc to false, still the behaviour is same`
`23:40.28`	`chandoo`	`StevenR: can yo help me with the situation`
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`23:40.39`	`StevenR`	`distro?`
`23:40.43`	`chandoo`	`fc4`
`23:40.58`	`chandoo`	`i also tried giving wrong device, still it starts and throws error`
`23:41.02`	`StevenR`	`hmmm..running some automouter thingy or hardware tool?`
`23:41.12`	`StevenR`	`kscd is not at fault`
`23:41.17`	`StevenR`	`soemthing is calling on it`
`23:41.32`	`chandoo`	`how to find that something`
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`23:44.47`	`casey`	`In KDE 3.5 Beta 1, why is there no Delete option when right-clicking a folder in kmail?`
`23:46.02`	`chandoo`	`any help on kscd`
`23:46.06`	`chandoo`	`:(`
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`23:49.23`	`annma`	`casey: because it's Move To Trash?`
`23:49.41`	`SbCl3`	`it seems that kword cannot work when kspread is not installed first...kword can't even load at all`
`23:49.49`	`SbCl3`	`is this a bug or expected?`
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`23:49.56`	`annma`	`SbCl3: weird`
`23:50.05`	`annma`	`let me uninstall KSpread`
`23:50.29`	`SbCl3`	`you get this when you start up:`
`23:50.30`	`SbCl3`	`sbcl3@ramanujan:~$ kword`
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`23:50.34`	`SbCl3`	`koffice (lib kofficecore): kwordpart.desktop found.`
`23:50.38`	`SbCl3`	`kword: m_countMaxWords: 0`
`23:50.43`	`SbCl3`	`koffice (lib kofficecore): kwordpart.desktop found.`
`23:50.46`	`SbCl3`	`koffice (lib kofficecore): kwordpart.desktop found.`
`23:50.50`	`SbCl3`	`koffice (lib kofficecore): kwordpart.desktop found.`
`23:50.51`	`SbCl3`	`koffice (filter manager): KoFilterEntry::query( )`
`23:50.53`	`SbCl3`	`if you try and start a new document, it goes to a one-button screen and then exits`
`23:51.09`	`annma`	`SbCl3: what did you install?`
`23:51.16`	`SbCl3`	`koffice 1.4.2 from src`
`23:51.23`	`annma`	`weren't you the guy who asked yesterday?`
`23:51.27`	`SbCl3`	`yes`
`23:51.28`	`annma`	`all of it?`
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`23:51.32`	`SbCl3`	`that was about something else, though`
`23:51.42`	`SbCl3`	`no, i didn't install it all, i only installed karbon`
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`23:52.13`	`annma`	`yes that's why`
`23:52.17`	`casey`	`annma: there is no "move to trash" either, and I certainly wouldn't want to move a folder to the trash on IMAP>`
`23:52.25`	`SbCl3`	`you get this, and then it crashes:`
`23:52.25`	`annma`	`kword does not need KSpread but it needs other things`
`23:52.29`	`SbCl3`	`Could not open`
`23:52.30`	`SbCl3`	`Reason: The file does not exist.`
`23:52.34`	`SbCl3`	`what does it need`
`23:52.35`	`SbCl3`	`?`
`23:52.37`	`casey`	`annma: The option to delete appears in the Folder menu, but not in the right-click menu.`
`23:52.44`	`annma`	`casey: did you specify imap?`
`23:52.49`	`casey`	`what do you think?`
`23:52.54`	`casey`	`I'm trying to delete a folder`
`23:53.14`	`casey`	`it doesn't matter whether I'm trying to delete an IMAP folder or a local one, the menus are the same.`
`23:53.25`	`annma`	`and you want only do that with imap?`
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`23:53.32`	`casey`	`...`
`23:53.33`	`casey`	`sigh`
`23:53.33`	`annma`	`ah`
`23:53.36`	`annma`	`yes`
`23:53.40`	`casey`	`I want to simply remove a folder in kmail`
`23:53.43`	`annma`	`so I say I have Move to trash`
`23:53.50`	`annma`	`on right click`
`23:53.51`	`casey`	`no you don't, not in kmail.`
`23:54.08`	`annma`	`maybe if I parameter Delete instead of trash I would have Delete`
`23:54.10`	`annma`	`I have`
`23:54.12`	`casey`	`"Move all messages to trash" != "Move folder to trash" which many IMAP folders don't even support.`
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`23:54.31`	`casey`	`*imap servers.`
`23:54.52`	`casey`	`I am simply trying to delete an empty folder.`
`23:55.05`	`annma`	`SbCl3: did you install the libs mimetypes and all?`
`23:55.08`	`casey`	`the option was there in the right-click menu in kde 3.4, it is gone in 3.5.`
`23:55.12`	`annma`	`for kword?`
`23:55.30`	`casey`	`Probably a move made to protect idiot users, but it makes it very counterintuitive.`
`23:55.44`	`SbCl3`	`i installed servicetypes and lib`
`23:55.59`	`annma`	`SbCl3: you mis mimetypes as a start`
`23:56.03`	`annma`	`miss`
`23:56.21`	`annma`	`interfaces/ as well`
`23:56.28`	`casey`	`yay, konqueror finished compiling :)`
`23:56.30`	`annma`	`templates/`
`23:56.30`	`SbCl3`	`okay`
`23:56.42`	`annma`	`pics/ plugins/`
`23:57.04`	`annma`	`example/ filters/ autocorrect/`
`23:57.15`	`annma`	`everything except the main apps`
`23:57.22`	`annma`	`I told you that already`
`23:57.33`	`annma`	`then your kword will start without kspread`
`23:58.02`	`SbCl3`	`okay`
`23:58.04`	`annma`	`however KOffice is built to be embedded`

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