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00:01.45KDEWhat controls how kde accesses files ?
00:01.54frbeh?
00:01.55KDElike how does kde access files
00:02.06KDEwhat library or whatever does it use
00:02.08frbtelepathy
00:02.16KDEtrue
00:03.03KDENah it is just kde is having a cry with anything to do with file browsing ... it takes forever to load ... console seems to be able to browse ok
00:03.20scxok Im' compailing the flash installer, but shows me only the Mozilla and opera options as user, and as root asks me for the route to install
00:03.34frbinstall for mozilla, konq can find it
00:03.45scxbut if I install in mozilla's path,
00:03.54frbaren't you on suse?
00:04.10scxand the rescan plugins in konqueror settings is the right way ?
00:04.23scxfrb: yes
00:04.41scxfrb: what's up ?
00:05.22frbsuse has rpm installer for flash
00:05.32frbyou get it from YOU if you are on Suse 9.3
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00:05.57scxfrb: I know, but my Konqueror does not load it.... so I'll try to compile it
00:06.08frbWFM
00:06.20scx"Unable to load Netscape plugin sais"
00:07.14peratuscx: http://macromedia.rediris.es/rep_ri.html
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00:10.19mueslihey guys
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00:10.35mueslianyone in here a linux journal subscriber?
00:11.41Mr_Youis there a way to configure the pager to enable keystrokes to switch desktops?
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00:14.05annmaMr_You: in Keyboard SHortcut, in KControl
00:14.15Mr_Youdanke
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00:14.56KDEIncase anyone cares i fixed my kde file access problem ... i had an old udev config from when i updated it the other day
00:14.58scxI did with: /opt/mozilla/lib and konqui does not find flashplayer...
00:15.10Mr_YouKControl = Control Center?
00:15.22scxMr_You: yes
00:15.22pinotreeMr_You: yep
00:15.22annmayes :)
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00:19.13scxI'll try tomorrow, with patience to compare rpm and macromedia's instaler,besides check paths and so on...
00:19.18scxtnkz
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00:21.28[t0rc]Is there a way to get KDE to use images, etc from external sources (i've got more than one HDD, it won't let me use images as BG's from the other HDD's, says the source has to be local) any hack around this? Thanks. Apologies if it's a nub question, but an answer nontheless would be appreciated.
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00:24.55thiago[t0rc]: let me test something
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00:25.46[t0rc]thiago: alright, thanks. :)
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00:26.22thiago[t0rc]: that's a bug
00:26.46thiagoplease go to bugs.kde.org and file it against kdesktop. I'll confirm it.
00:26.55[t0rc]thiago: really? hmm...didn't think it would be. Any workarounds known yet or they fixing it in next version?
00:27.06thiagomeanwhile, you can select the file by going to the mountpoint of the file instead of using media:/
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00:28.34[t0rc]thiago: umm...clarification on what you mean by the mount point vs. media:/ ?
00:30.52thiagofind the file by browsing your system (type / in the location)
00:31.36[t0rc]mmm...so you mean like /dev/hd2 or something?
00:32.08hydrogenno
00:32.22hydrogenyou need to mount the disks
00:32.41[t0rc]they're mounted
00:32.51thiago[t0rc]: no, by the mount point
00:32.59thiagoa device has to be mounted to be accessible
00:33.26thiagogo to media:/, right click the device and select "Open Medium System Folder"
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00:34.28[t0rc]oooo
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00:36.38smithjdWhere are the widget sets usually stored on the filesystem?
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00:37.57annmasmithjd: precise your questions? you mean KDE header files?
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00:38.18PhilyI was told that the selection box (on the desktop) can be made semi transparent how do I set this option in kde 3.4.2
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00:39.30smithjdannma: no, the theme files. Thanks though, I just re-merged a theme and found the path. =)
00:39.44annmaok
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00:41.40annmaPhily: in KControl -> Appareance & Theme -> STyle
00:42.06doleybHow can I make the taskbar smaller than 25 pixels? (this was easy before 3.4)
00:42.27annmayou mean the panel
00:43.19doleybyeah ok "panel"
00:44.08doleybwhy did 3.4 move the panel minimum height up to 25?
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00:44.57canllaithdoleyb: it didn't....
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00:45.21canllaithdoleyb: the minimum panel height is still 24, what it's always been.
00:45.30[t0rc]thiago: thanks.
00:45.41doleybcanllaith: well, in 3.3 I had a 22 pixel panel.  and now 3.4 won't let it be under 25
00:46.00canllaithIt's always been 24 for as long as I remember.
00:46.08doleybcan I edit a file instead of using gui?
00:46.19canllaithkickerrc
00:46.41gravixspeaking of taskbar, is there an easy way to make the process buttons longer? i have lots of wasted space
00:46.49annmain your home, in .kde/share/config doleyb
00:47.06canllaithWell, in `kde-config --localprefix`
00:47.14canllaithyou might have one of the strange distros that don't use .kde
00:47.39annmaexact, canllaith
00:47.58canllaithdoleyb: so there is under [General] a Size=
00:48.17canllaithIt might be something strange like '3' - that just means 'the large preset'
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00:48.37canllaithYou can make it anything in pixels from 24 -> seventy-something (I can't recall exactly)
00:50.30gravixmine is called CustomSize
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00:50.50doleybyes i got it down to 23 by editing.
00:51.15doleybwhich gives me one more line in text editors.
00:51.23annmamm, weird that it is 24 here
00:51.44canllaithgravix: that's only if you're using the custom preset atm
00:51.51canllaithGo and look in kicker settings. You can select large, small, custom... etc
00:52.00canllaithbut manually setting Size= will change the size no matter what you have selected there.
00:52.25gravixcanllaith: hmm. my selection is "large" but the "customsize" parameter was still configured by the GUI
00:52.59canllaithgravix: I don't understand what your point is?
00:53.48jmghey guys
00:53.53jmgis there a sip phone app for kde yet
00:53.59canllaiththere is a kphone I believe
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00:54.23jmgkphone doesnt work
00:54.29canllaithIn which case, no clue.
00:54.38jmgis kopete getting sip?
00:54.46canllaithNot in the near future
00:55.03jmgmaybe i should write the sip config :D
00:55.11canllaith:)
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00:58.53propagandhijmg: the Xlite phone works well under linux
00:59.30propagandhiwe're using asterisk here and its what i use at my desk
01:00.15PhilyHello all I<m I in the right channel to ask for usability questions
01:01.28gravixsure
01:02.37Philygravix: I<ve got a bug my removable media does auto mount but when clicking on desktop device icons I get an error message
01:02.51Ringwraith`you are you in the channel?
01:02.52Ringwraith`wow
01:03.02gravixwhat error message?
01:03.03Ringwraith`you also have a bug with the ' of your keyboard
01:03.22annmaPhily: ask please
01:03.37annmaah, I see
01:03.40PhilyKIO Exec:           /media/sda1 is a folder, but a file was expected
01:04.07Philyany idea, this is the only thing for my wife to fully use Linus
01:04.37Philyoops Linux
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01:05.00Philythat sentence really turn out weird
01:05.17PhilyI,ve searched goggle kde no answer
01:06.08Ringwraith`Now you have a bug where your ' are ,
01:06.36PhilyRingwraith`: bug?
01:08.25PhilyRingwraith`: Keyboard (french keyboard) is because I'm remotely logged in my machine and it is not configured
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01:09.49Philyannma: also when trying to navigate the trash can I get KIOExec: malformed url
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01:13.08annmaPhily: using trash:/ ?
01:13.32Philynot in konqueror but with a panel applet
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01:18.41annmaoh so the panel applet is buggy?
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01:19.07Philyannma: yep
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01:20.17annmais it shipped with kde?
01:21.54Philyannma: I don<t think I,m running kubuntu
01:22.27annmais it the trashbin icon?
01:22.33annmaas an applet?
01:23.01Philyno trash bin on the desktop: do you know how to create one
01:23.26Philyannma: yep trasbin as an applet in the panel
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01:24.08annmaand how can't you navigate it?
01:24.39annmaI can open it, empty it
01:24.59Philykonqueror trash:/
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01:34.49jmganyone here use kphone?
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01:51.29ChrisidIm trying to install a program that required kde-config but it says kde-config was not found
01:52.26Chrisidwhere is kde-config located
01:52.56thiagoin the KDE prefix
01:53.08thiagoin the same place all other KDE programs are installed
01:53.12thiagowhere are your KDE programs installed?
01:54.07Chrisidi located it:/usr/kde/3.5/bin/kde-config
01:54.31Chrisidim a noob at linux, what can i do so the ./configure works
01:54.36Chrisidi have the locate of the thing it cant find
01:55.15thiagorun this: export PATH=$PATH:/usr/kde/3.5/bin
01:55.34Chrisidit worked, what did that do
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01:55.48Chrisidadd that to the environmental variables?
01:56.42thiagoyou may want to
01:57.03Chrisidwhat did the command that you told me do actually btw?
01:58.21hydrogenthat overrode current path environment variable
01:58.33hydrogento add /usr/kde/3.5/bin to it
01:58.41hydrogenso that bash searched there for programt o exec
01:59.23Chrisidoh ok
01:59.41frbit sends your path to the export authorities
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02:07.49elisboaHi, how can I use a software midi-mapper under artsd? Where can I download one, so I can set it on kcontrol?
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02:25.25jorgp3using kde 3.5 cvs, is there a way to round the edges of a panel bar?
02:26.16jorgp3aseigo: is that possible?
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02:27.12frbevery time I see aseigo's nick< it think of  a cheese bagel
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02:28.50crispynix-v6jorgp3: it's possible, but such functionality doesn't appear to be implemented yet.
02:29.14jorgp3he will probably wait for kde 4
02:29.28crispynix-v6for something that minor? I'd hope not.
02:29.52crispynix-v6then again, kicker is getting a major overhaul with kde4
02:29.54jorgp3I hope not too, but never know
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02:30.38mzelemHello, Anyone know why Konqueror won't remember any of my new file associations if I attempt to change them?
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02:32.38frbbecause it's smarter than you ?
02:32.38Chrisidcan somebody helpe me: http://pastebin.com/378392
02:32.46Chrisidim trying to install a sound theme
02:32.58mzelemfrb: wow, you're lots of help
02:35.33illogic-alChrisid: are you using 3.4?
02:35.47Chrisid3.5
02:35.57Chrisidbut thats not the problem
02:35.57frbmzelem: check permissions on .kde? see if anything in that tree is wonky?
02:35.59illogic-althen you already have that theme.
02:36.07illogic-alborealis became the defualt since 3.4
02:36.09Chrisidreally?
02:36.14Chrisidwow
02:36.20Chrisiddidnt know that
02:36.51frbhow do I add color schemes to kde?
02:36.52illogic-alarr matey
02:36.59mzelemk..
02:37.46crispynix-v6frb: run 'kcmshell colors' and click 'Import Scheme'
02:38.01frbhow do I make a scheme to import?
02:38.59crispynix-v6start changing colors (click a window portion, then click the color bar and select a color), and then save scheme and type a name
02:39.59frbI didnt even realize that that was a selector
02:40.28hydrogenamaroK is :)
02:46.09crispynix-v6ooh, baghira 0.7 is out
02:46.47frbman, I want my box to look like OS2 not OSX!
02:46.59crispynix-v6:D
02:47.15frbanyway, I'm getting a new PC
02:47.25frbhttp://phoenix.craigslist.org/sys/100735166.html
02:47.28Chrisidwhat are some of the differnces with the new kde 3.5
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02:47.44frbChrisid: it crashes faster
02:47.52Chrisidanything else :P?
02:47.59frbwell, everything is faster really
02:48.04crispynix-v6no crashes here so far *knocks on wood*
02:48.27frbkicker crashed within an hour
02:48.28Chrisidso speed increase is main thing?
02:48.34frbbut it hasn't crashed since
02:48.52crispynix-v6the panel transparency was changed, arts is being a bugger (idquake3 claims /dev/dsp is busy with an audigy 2; didn't happen with 3.4.2's arts)
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02:49.03crispynix-v6or rather, panel applets' transparency
02:49.50Philyexport DISPLAY=192.168.0.101:0.0
02:49.52illogic-alwth is craig's list?
02:49.57crispynix-v6seems great to me except for the arts thing
02:50.04Chrisidi just turned on transparancy, nothing seems different
02:50.13Chrisidwell i dont notice any transparancy
02:50.21Chrisiddo i have to close apps and reopen them
02:50.25crispynix-v6the taskbar has different types of trans (elegant, classic, etc(
02:50.34crispynix-v6same with the virtual desktop applet I think
02:51.05crispynix-v6might have to restart your session
02:51.11crispynix-v6if you haven't since upgrading
02:51.46Chrisidi upgraded and have restarted my session
02:52.34Chrisidshould i click on apply translucency only to decoration
02:52.55crispynix-v6well, the taskbar applet has several configuration options under Appearance: Elegant, Classic, and For Transparency
02:53.41crispynix-v6plenty other things changed too, but that's what I noticed first <_<
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02:59.50gKw-Xhello :)
03:00.23crispynix-v6btw, is anyone aware that socks support is completely broken with debian and ubuntu, and has been for years probably? debian/ubuntu don't have libsocks5 (due to the license probably), and kdecore seems to be expecting some socks5 features from the lib(s) it finds.
03:00.55hydrogenthats a debian/ubuntu problem.. not kde
03:01.17crispynix-v6maybe not -- I can't even download libsocks5 anymore, it doesn't seem to be available from NEC's site.
03:01.49gKw-Xwhen i log in to kde i get a couple pop ups and i'm not sure how to get rid of them... one is kwrited, it says "kwrited - listening on device /dev/pts/3"... the other one is an error that it can't load the sound driver /dev/dsp
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03:03.58jorgp3is that the same as kerberos
03:04.19chrisaganyone know the svn directory to kplato?
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03:06.22gKw-Xanyone recognize those, or now how i can stop them from appearing?
03:06.29Chrisidtransparancies are cool
03:06.31ChrisidI must say
03:07.03Ringwraith`Chrisid,  are you a profesional eyecandyist?
03:07.30ChrisidRingwraith: Yes, How did you know ? :P
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03:09.08Chrisidanybody here use tranparancies?
03:10.34PhilyChrisid: U mean window transparancies
03:10.44frbI use them in meetings, and lectures
03:10.52frbthe OHP is cheaper than a projector
03:11.07Philyfrb: lol
03:13.03Chrisidphily: yes
03:13.08Chrisidheh
03:13.35PhilyChrisid: I`ve used them but found them anoying more than anything but they are pretty.
03:14.35ChrisidIm checking them out, one annoyance i have is for things like gkrellm and also if im copy something from one window to another one window will be transparent
03:14.37Chrisidat least partially
03:16.28frbdoes kde have an app that can import wma and export mp3?
03:16.39PhilyChrisid: execpt for eye candy I could not find good use for them, I,m minimiliste when it comes to my desktop
03:18.23Alethesfrb: I bet mplayer could do something like that
03:18.41ChrisidI think im going to turn off all translucency except for when the application is moving, this way i can see whats behind it which i find is cool and usefull
03:20.00PhilyChrisid: I actually find this to be a great idea.
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03:20.34frbthat's a normal wm feature, isn't it
03:20.40frbyou don't need composite for that one
03:21.07Philyfrb: wm being windows manager
03:21.14frbof course
03:21.15Philyfrb: enlignement?
03:21.26Philyfrb: Which one enlignement
03:21.26frbscrew E
03:21.42Philyfrb: which wm has that feature
03:22.02frbI seem to remember wmaker I think
03:22.07frbit was a long time ago
03:22.25frbanyway, I have to be somewhere in 8 minutes
03:22.28Philyfrb: I don't beleive that a feature in window maker
03:22.34Philyfrb: salut le grand
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03:30.15Alethescanllaith: you around?
03:33.48brucehoultshe must be afk
03:33.53brucehoultperhaps cooking :-)
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03:35.49gravixdinner for everyone!
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03:56.14DrZootwill koffice from trunk compile with qt3 or is it in the process of being ported to qt4?
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03:56.54apprenticedoes kde 3.5 comeo with the new kopete?
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03:59.42Hobbseeapprentice: kopete is showing 0.10 on kde 3.5 beta
04:00.55apprentice0.10 is that the normal one. i have used cvs unstalbe
04:00.57apprenticeso i dont know
04:02.02Hobbseei just used the kubuntu built packages
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04:18.56gravixis it safe to put kdm in runlevel boot?
04:19.08canllaithcould you explan what you mean gravix ? :)
04:19.49gravixi'm trying to get this laptop from power button to usable desktop as quickly as possible since I can't get hibernate working
04:20.37canllaithSo - do you mean is it safe to have KDM launch automatically booting to a gui runlevel?
04:22.00gravixsorry for my lack of linux vocabulary... in gentoo, normally kdm is the last thing to load after everything else is done
04:22.12canllaithOk
04:22.30gravixbut since the cpu is idle through a lot of the loading stage, i figured i could save time by loading kdm earlier in the boot process
04:22.49canllaithI'm afraid I really don't know. Perhaps someone who also uses gentoo might though.
04:23.03canllaithYknow, hibernation is really very easy and safe with swsup2, have you tried it?
04:23.10gravixokay, thank you, i will check in #gentoo also
04:23.28crispynix-v6gravix: look into initng, perhaps... and you probably could safely make kdm start sooner, as long as anything it might depend on starts first (e.g. xfs if you use a font server)
04:23.29gravixyes, i am having trouble getting the kernel patched for swsusp2
04:23.46canllaithAh ok then. Just running the scripts worked for me, but I was using vanilla kernel.org sources
04:24.05gravixyes, i suspect that is my problem... i'm using modified gentoo-sources
04:24.35gravixcrispynix-v6, thank you... i will try to figure out what things kdm needs
04:24.54crispynix-v6gravix: initng can really speed up boot time as well, and it keeps things in order afaict
04:25.10crispynix-v6gentoo should have it available; debian does
04:25.39canllaithI know that didn't help you any but I couldn't resist mentioning it =) IBM machines rock.
04:27.23gravixmine's an IBM R51
04:27.30apprenticeis that a nice machine?
04:27.32gravixit also comes out of suspend as requested and then reboots
04:27.39gravixvery odd
04:27.41canllaithHobbsee: heh I've had lots of trouble sorting it out :\
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04:27.50gravixcrispynix-v6, thank you, i will look into initng
04:27.50canllaithHobbsee: and I do sometimes have sound refusing to come back on resume
04:28.07canllaithbut that's nothing compared to the 'crash and burn requiring you to reset by removing the battery and power plug'
04:28.18canllaithThat was my previous setup :\
04:28.21Hobbseelol
04:28.24rseymourdoes anyone know how to get a current winID using dcop (ie call getWinID on the window that has focus)
04:28.28Hobbseepower plug?  what's that?
04:28.33canllaith?
04:28.44Hobbseelaptop - no power point
04:28.48canllaithThe cord that goes from the laptop to the wall
04:29.03Hobbseewell, not that you can switch off lol...it just drains the battery, then goes into suspend!
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04:29.18canllaithas batteries don't generally last long enough for you to not require any kind of mains power at all....
04:29.43Hobbseewell yeah
04:30.02Hobbseewish they did
04:30.04gravixhave you guys gotten the middle button/trackpoint scroll to work right on the thinkpad? i got the scroll functionality working with scroll wheel emulation, but then it's not functional as a button anymore... eg no paste
04:30.17canllaithYou can only have one or the other I believe.
04:30.46gravixahhh! oh well, at least it's still the best scrolling device ever
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04:31.04gravixtrackpoint scroll + SmoothScroll in firefox = bliss
04:31.13redeemanhello
04:31.30crispynix-v6rseymour: no such function appears to be available (looking at kwin in kdcop)
04:31.35redeemananyone know how to make konqueror's print to pdf/ps thing work? it just doesent seem to work - it creates basically empty files
04:31.39redeemanit only shows the header
04:31.59rseymourcrispynix-v6: yeah, i'm wondering if there is some sort of default thing under qt
04:32.02CHodappit always worked for me... do you need ghostscript or anything like that to be present?
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04:32.21redeemani do have that
04:32.31CHodapphrm
04:32.46redeemanwhen printing to postscript the file is simply corrupt
04:32.48redeemannothing can open it
04:33.01redeemanand with pdf it only prints the header - with the date, url and page numer
04:33.04redeemannumber*
04:33.28redeemanit just seems weird since printing to a printer works
04:45.30dreamwavein kaffiene, what's a player engine?
04:45.41apprenticeits what method is uses
04:45.43apprenticeto play ur sound
04:45.59redeemanand video
04:46.04apprenticetrue
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04:46.27dreamwavei need the one for mp3 streams from shoutcast.  i don't seem to have any installed at the moment.
04:46.27redeemanthe gstreamer one isnt very supporting yet
04:46.32dreamwaveah
04:46.44redeemanyou cant not install the default one which is xine
04:47.46Octaneis there any applet that brings you constant headlines to your desktop
04:47.47dreamwavehmm. xine-amarok is installed.  i'll switch to amarok and see what happens.
04:47.47apprenticedont use kaffine then
04:47.48rseymourdcop kwin KWinInterface setOpacity $WINDOWID 75
04:47.52Octanesort of like google desktop?
04:47.53rseymourthat's kind of close
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04:48.07rseymourbut that only works in terminals
04:48.36CyberSpyis anyone running 3.5 beta 1 with Fedora Core 4?
04:51.18rseymourwith that command you can make your current terminal window go translucent (assuming you have that set up)
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04:54.11crispynix-v6Octane: desktop or panel? there's knewsticker for the panel.. there's probably some rss app for the desktop too, but I haven't looked into it. (maybe karamba theme)
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04:55.55gravixi think Composite is pretty cool
04:56.17crispynix-v6if only nvidia and ati would fix their drivers to work with it reliably :/
04:57.00gravixalas... i want to try the unstable X so i can try EXA rendering on my mobile radeon
04:57.02rseymouryeah, gotta love the straight X11 crashes
04:57.11gravixit's too slow in the old mode for any kind of transparency
04:57.20rseymouralthough I haven't had a crash yet with my latest install
04:57.33gravixnvidia drivers have been very stable/fast for me.
04:57.50crispynix-v6with nvidia's driver it usually causes problems when you start a 3D app; at least, it does here.
04:58.04crispynix-v6if you have a composite manager running anyways
04:58.14gravixi'm sure it will... but i don't normally use them so that's not too big of an issue for me
04:58.59gravixglxgears 11621fps with composite running
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04:59.04crispynix-v6the annoying thing is that nvidia could fix it if they cared to.. I mean, their driver already overclocks when it enters 3D mode, etc.
04:59.11crispynix-v6heh
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05:01.52gravixheh
05:01.57gravix3d screensaver crashed x
05:02.09crispynix-v6nice
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05:02.26lasindiHow do you enable logging in Kopete?
05:02.38lasindi(and how do you view the logs?)
05:03.14canllaithSettings -> Configure Plugins
05:03.36canllaithEnable the history plugin. There was once a bug where it would be ticked by default on a new install
05:03.47canllaithbut not really functioning. If it's ticked, untick it, tick again and then restart kopete
05:04.02canllaithThen you should have a menu item when you right click on a contact to view history
05:05.09lasindiThanks
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05:12.09rseymouralias tz='dcop kwin KWinInterface setOpacity $WINDOWID'
05:12.33rseymourthen tz 75 brings you to 75% opacity etc etc.
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06:01.42nostaranyone know what i did to disable the keyboard in kde on fc4?  i log into kde and i have no keyboard, im in gnome atm
06:02.14chrisagprobably accidently picked one that didn't match in the keyboard selectoin
06:02.16chrisagselection
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06:04.00nostari was never in such an area... i was just running an application.  i did keep getting an accesibilty option pop up for holding down the shift key in the (non-kde) app i was using
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06:04.14chrisagcould've been that
06:04.28nostarbut what exactly so i can fix it
06:04.38nostari just kept hitting cancel
06:04.54chrisagmy best guess? find the kderc and see if you can find an option in there
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06:10.08ShockValueok, stupid newb question.. somehow i lost my 'window list' from the panel.. i cant figure out how to add it back
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06:10.34ShockValueits not the "window list" button under special buttons category
06:11.11Hobbseeshockvalue: right click on kicker, add applet to panel
06:11.23Hobbseethen find the one labelled "taskbar"
06:11.30ShockValueyep, thanks :)
06:11.33Hobbsee:)
06:11.47ShockValuecouldnt figure out which one it was for some reason.. im tired i think :)
06:12.02Hobbseehehehe...if in doubt, pick any of them
06:12.16ShockValuei swear i went through 75%.. i musta just missed that one
06:12.34Hobbseehehe
06:12.43Hobbseeit was clearly hiding from you
06:12.53ShockValueit was set to transperancy 100% :)
06:13.46Hobbseelol...i've never seen why people like transperancy
06:13.56Hobbseebut definetly hidign on that basis!
06:14.45ShockValuei dunno.. i think it looks kinda cool in some applications.. i jst set the kicker to 50% white transperant and it blends yet contrasts <shrug>
06:14.55ShockValuecertainly doesnt make or break anything though
06:15.10Hobbseetrue
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06:15.48Hobbseeargh!  be gone transparency
06:15.54Hobbseegot it
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06:47.09marcusUHow do I get KDE to mount CD/DVD in the place that /etc/fstab specifies instead of /media/Volume_Label_Of_DVD
06:48.18crispynix-v6The KDE developers felt it necessary to emulate GNOME's behaviour and use hal.  I'm not sure there's an [easy] way to get it to honor fstab now.
06:48.40Bielekemount <the place that /etc/fstab specifies)
06:48.44marcusUcrispynix-v6: The problem is that I frequently end up with DVD/CD mounted twice!
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06:49.17marcusUBieleke: That only works if I mount the disk by command line and not by double-clicking on the desktop icon.
06:49.52Bielekeah ok, was just trying to help :-)
06:50.25marcusUBieleke: I'm just frustrated. I've tried both approaches: trying to get automounting to work well and trying not to automount at all.
06:50.34marcusUK3B tells me that I should disable automounting.
06:50.35Bielekewell on my SuSE and openSuSE box the mount is automaticly
06:50.59crispynix-v6you could complain to the hal developers about it completely ignoring fstab, a standard on *nix-like OSes for who knows how many years. Otherwise, try to use either fstab or hal, not both.
06:51.01marcusUYeah, but I think automounting caused my CD burn to fail. K3B says that you should disable it.
06:51.13Bielekeah, now i understand.
06:51.56crispynix-v6er, try to use either fstab or hal for removable devices.. you still need fstab for e.g. hard drives.
06:52.20marcusUcrispynix-v6: Using HAL seems incompatible with burning media.
06:52.23crispynix-v6and if you want to use hal, disable automount/supermount/etc.
06:52.30crispynix-v6marcusU: heh
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06:57.52marcusUI wonder how Apple handles removeable media that can be written. That's when things seem to be messed up.
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07:00.47canllaithmarcusU: apple force you to manually unmount the device.
07:01.03marcusUcanllaith: Did you see my problem above?
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07:01.48canllaithmarcusU: yes, and as I have no automount at all I have no clue.
07:01.56canllaithWell I might now, I just installed suse. Under slackware I didn't though.
07:02.29marcusUcanllaith: Even without automounting, I was getting KDE mounting the DVD in a different location from what's in /etc/fstab.
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07:03.45marcusUBut at least before, I wasn't getting problems writing RW media. Then I enabled hal and stuff. And that's when it starting acting up. Now I'm back to the way it was befor,e I think.
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07:05.58bjvif i run KDE will gnome apps seem slower then their counterparts?
07:06.19bjvor if i ran just X with a lightweight wm, would k & g apps seem equally slow?
07:06.20marcusUYou can use both KDE and GNOME. They aren't mutually exclusive.
07:06.30bjvor does kde not help accelerate k apps.
07:06.30bjvi know.
07:06.33canllaithgnome apps run just fine under KDE.
07:06.43canllaithKDE apps run a little slower under other WM
07:06.46canllaithas kdeinit isn't running
07:07.03marcusUWhen you say "run KDE", are you talking about using kwin/kdesktop versus the GNOME equivalents?
07:07.03canllaithThey take a bit longer to startup outside of KDE
07:07.08gravixi have some color problems with gnome apps under kde other than that it's good
07:07.41bjvmarcusU: yes, i was just wondering if kapps get any preloading benifits or similar from me using the kdesktop
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07:12.38canllaithbjv: they do.
07:13.07bjvyeah, im beginning to see that.
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07:16.35bjvkspread
07:16.35bjv<PROTECTED>
07:16.35bjvgnumeric
07:16.35bjv<PROTECTED>
07:16.54bjvtoo bad oleo!! sucks. :(
07:16.55bjvoocalc
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07:16.55bjvoleo
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07:17.16gravixhuh?
07:17.59bjvkspread's launching faster then gnumeric
07:18.10bjvbut the crappy oleo is pwning them all.
07:19.01gravixi don't have oleo
07:19.29bjvyeah, i just apt-got all the graphical spreadsheets i could find.
07:19.53gravixkspead is probably the best
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07:21.04bjvyeah, that 1.2 second launch time is pretty secksey, but oleo is ole-old and busted.
07:21.05shad0w1eanyone know where I can get a list of which packages are required to install KDE? (I need to do a manual install by downloading each of the packages sepparately)
07:21.11bjvkspread it is.
07:21.29crispynix-v6shad0w1e: what dist?
07:21.36shad0w1eDebian Woody
07:21.43shad0w1eI want KDE 3.3
07:21.48shad0w1e(not 2.2)
07:21.49crispynix-v6shad0w1e: there's a 'kde' metapackage ... can't you use it?
07:22.03shad0w1eI don't know? can I? I need .debs
07:22.25crispynix-v6erm, are you using a really old version of Debian? 3.4.2 is in unstable.
07:22.50shad0w1eI am
07:22.53shad0w1ewell not that old
07:23.01shad0w1ewhat was considdered "stable" before June
07:23.05crispynix-v6it's definitely old if you've got 2.2
07:23.05canllaithhehehe
07:23.06crispynix-v6ah
07:23.08shad0w1ewhich is Woody, 3.0
07:23.09shad0w1ewell yeah
07:23.12shad0w1eits from 2002
07:23.12shad0w1elol
07:23.14canllaithdebian stable is what the dinosaurs used ;)
07:23.20shad0w1ehey! It's newer than Windows XP!
07:23.25canllaithNo.. it's not
07:23.30shad0w1eYES it is!
07:23.33shad0w1ewoody came out 2002
07:23.35canllaithbecause the packages they consider 'stable' need to go through huge amounts of testing
07:23.40canllaithThat doesn't mean that it has a KDE from 2002.
07:23.46shad0w1eoh it doesnt
07:23.50shad0w1eKDE 3.x was prolly out hten
07:23.56canllaithYes, it was.
07:23.58shad0w1eand they went with 2.x
07:24.11shad0w1etruth is, the latest stable isn't so behind
07:24.15shad0w1ethey use kde 3.3.2 i think
07:24.20canllaithIf you want a more recent KDE I think you need to upgrade to testing or unstable or even the latest stable which has a 3.3.x
07:24.31shad0w1eNEGATIVE!
07:24.33shad0w1ecant do
07:24.35canllaithbut I've never used debian in my life so do check with #debian.
07:24.40shad0w1eI need to stay on woody
07:24.43canllaithYou can then compile sources of the latest KDE
07:24.46canllaithOr later KDE
07:24.49shad0w1ealso negative
07:24.57canllaithThen your option is to use KDE 2.2
07:25.00shad0w1eif I compile sources its making me upgrade all the compilers on my machine
07:25.14shad0w1eI found a bunch of .deb files
07:25.16shad0w1ewhich is fine
07:25.26shad0w1eI just need a list of which ones are needed and which are "bonus crap"
07:25.32canllaitharts kdelibs kdebase
07:25.41canllaithare the completely necessary KDE modules
07:25.59canllaithAnything else, depends what you want. Depending on what kde version it is, kmail is in kdepim or kdenetwork
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07:26.26shad0w1ewell konqueror of course
07:26.33canllaithwb Lord-Phoenix. Your internet connection hates you tonight? :P
07:26.37shad0w1econtrol center
07:26.38canllaithshad0w1e: it's in kdebase.
07:26.38shad0w1eidk
07:26.41shad0w1ebasic kde
07:26.42shad0w1eis it?
07:26.42canllaithalso in kdebase
07:26.55canllaithThere is a list on the faq that might help you. Let me find it.
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07:27.43canllaithhttp://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/install.html#id2562309
07:27.55canllaithThat has a very short listing of vaguely what's in each package
07:27.59shad0w1e-rw-------    1 jay      jay        954276 Sep 29 15:03 kdebase-bin_3.3.2-1sarge1_i386.de
07:28.08shad0w1ethat file is 900k !
07:28.36gravixdoh... i just b0rk'd my kernel trying to get swsusp2 to work
07:28.39canllaithIt's unlikely to be kdebase then.
07:28.42canllaithgravix: oh nooo! :(
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07:29.19gravixaha well that makes a good time to go to bed ;)
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07:34.52marcusUHmmm.  Suddenly HTML messages in KMail are showing up as icons instead of displaying the body.
07:35.46gravixHTML messages = pure evil
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07:38.56marcusUYes, yes, but like right now, I have a msg with plain text and HTML both available, and instead of displaying either in the message window, I get an icon. If I click the icon, it asks what I want to open the file with.
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07:40.13Agiofwswhy does KDE not hold the sequence of my desktop icons and resets them every 2-3  reboots ?
07:41.25canllaithIt's a bug. It will be fixed in KDE 3.5
07:42.02Agiofwscanllaith,  sure i can't fix it?
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07:43.05Agiofwscanllaith, ?
07:44.38gravixAgiofws, !
07:45.00Agiofwsgravix, ?
07:45.11gravixAgiofws, ...?
07:45.21crispynix-v6@_@
07:45.38gravix((>_<))
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08:08.29marcusUIt looks like if the message is only HTML, it displays as HTML, but if has HTML and text both available, I get an icon instead of anything.
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08:15.30pchanhi. Is there any project management program? Ie, for time planning, gant charts and stuff?
08:16.05HnZeKtOtaskjuggler
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08:16.41pchanOk, I just installed it -- but nothing happens. If i start it from the console it mentions that I must start it with a file as argument..
08:17.04crispynix-v6mrproject off hand, but that's a gtk app. lemme dig for qt/kde one.
08:17.22HnZeKtOpchan: taskjuggler-kde
08:17.31HnZeKtOat least in mdk
08:17.52crispynix-v6kfocus?
08:18.16pchanthanks, ill try those.
08:19.06HnZeKtOkfocus-1.0.2  October 13, 2001
08:19.09HnZeKtOoh man
08:19.53crispynix-v61.0.2-14 in debian ;o
08:19.57doleybkfocus isn't like that, it's a progress logger, not a planner/predictor
08:20.12crispynix-v6well, mrproject or taskjuggler might still be actively maintained
08:20.25crispynix-v6heh, sorry :) just search quick through apt's cache
08:20.31crispynix-v6*searched
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08:25.55pinotreehello =)
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08:30.46dark_hey everyone
08:31.10gravixhey everytwo
08:31.14dark_:P
08:31.20pinotree...
08:31.27gravix!
08:31.36dark_if i wanted to transpose the manus from kde to say blackbox
08:31.39dark_how would i do that
08:31.40dark_?
08:31.54dark_is there a config file somewhere where the menu configs are kept?
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08:37.30dark_well
08:37.33dark_my main menu
08:37.36dark_is well defined
08:37.43dark_and id love to get iut into my blackbox menu
08:37.50dark_without rewritting it all
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08:38.50pinotreegood (i hope so) morning PhilRod :-)
08:38.53dark_pipe entries eh
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08:39.29pinotreedark_: kde uses the freedesktop menu structure, don't know what blackbox does in that sense
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08:40.58oneforallhi there a way like mozilla when I do a middle click on a link it will open a new tab . Not a wibdow ?
08:41.59PhilRodyeah, it's in settings -> cofngiure konq -> web behaviour
08:42.06PhilRodmight be hidden under an "advanced" tab
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08:48.18oneforallthanks will take a look
08:49.02oneforalltab browsing :)
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08:49.46oneforallmmmm mmmm good :D thanks
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09:50.52shinji`hi
09:50.56dec0dinghey. I got digikam plugins installed and they are not in Digikam when I start it. Like the exports menu is empty when I want to export an album as html
09:51.00dec0dingany ideas?
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10:17.09occeis there issues with kde 3.5beta1 and alsa?
10:17.26occecant get my sound working in 3,5, but it works fine in 3.4
10:18.20PhilRod~artstr
10:18.21apti guess artstr is http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/sound.html
10:18.24PhilRodtake a look there
10:19.15occeeven though i compiled w/o arts?
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10:19.35TurgonHi
10:19.51TurgonIs there any way of telling ksirc to use these or those ports for DCC?
10:19.57Turgon(like with X-Chat, for example)
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10:22.34occeapt:  even though i compiled w/o arts?
10:23.20pinotreeocce: apt is a bot, won't reply you
10:23.55occehehe... ok....
10:24.03occedo u know?
10:25.40pinotreei use arts, so no
10:25.58occeok...
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10:36.47Ginja_Ninjais there a xine plugin so konqueror can run web movie's ?
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10:38.22lippelGinja_Ninja: yes, you can e.g. use kaffeine or kmplayer
10:38.25hellz_hunterim using gentoo and k3b, im trying to burn a dvd and its only burning at .80x, using slackware i didnt have this problem but i was curious if anyone else had this problem
10:38.35hellz_hunteri dont have prodvd installed, maybe that would help out ?
10:39.03hellz_hunteri found it strange that the fifo and device buffer are empty and not once try to fill up
10:41.23Ginja_Ninjalippel: Thanks, i thought kmplayer was just for Mplayer. right then, i have to choose between kaffeiene of kmplayer
10:42.06Ginja_Ninjalippel: do u use them ?
10:42.15lippelGinja_Ninja: well, afaik kmplayer also has a xine plugin i think. but i don't know if it works or if it uses mplayer
10:42.27lippelGinja_Ninja: i don't care much to be honest
10:42.33Ginja_Ninjalol
10:42.36Ginja_Ninjafair enough
10:43.05lippelGinja_Ninja: i have all of them installed (for testing and finding the one and only), but i rarely use them embedded in konq
10:43.25lippelolder kaffeine version were unstable and made konq crash
10:43.36Ginja_Ninjalippel: i see, just want to be able to view movie trailer for example
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10:45.50stehi all. I have a usb key, and was playing with fstab. If I use labels (LABEL=abc) in fstab, konq will recognize the device, but won't mount/unmount it (kde 3.4.2)
10:46.25steeverything is fine if I use canonical fstab entry pointing it to /dev/sda
10:46.30PhilRodste: reported as a bug, I think
10:46.49stePhilRod: thanks. that's enough ;)
10:48.15PhilRodste: you might want to look for the bug to see if there's been any discussion on it
10:48.31PhilRodAIUI, you need a kernel patch to have that label behaviour
10:48.47stePhilRod: i use 2.6.14-rc
10:48.57stePhilRod: I'll dig the bug db, then
10:49.23PhilRodste: it was reported about a day or two ago. I think the reporter was using gentoo - that might help your search
10:49.44stePhilRod: thank you so much
10:49.55PhilRodnp
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10:56.05jmghey guys i am having problems with artsd
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11:00.01PhilRod~artstr
11:00.02aptartstr is probably http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/sound.html
11:00.05PhilRodjmg: read that page
11:04.24jmgPhilRod: thanks
11:04.53jmgPhilRod: my artsd doesnt start up
11:05.42jmgcannot open default capture invalid arbument or some such
11:05.46jmgargument*
11:05.56jmgim trying to use dsound
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11:08.35Lord-Phoenixsomeone say my name?
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11:15.57jmgDevice: dsound could not be opened for recording - invalid argument
11:16.09jmgs/dsound/dmix
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11:17.17PhilRodjmg: can you start artsd in a konsole as suggested on that page?
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11:27.00jmgPhilRod: i have
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11:27.49PhilRodjmg: did it work? did it give you any interesting debug output?
11:29.36jmgPhilRod: seems to work..  at least not crash
11:32.37jmgamaroK: [Loader] amaroK is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?
11:32.42PhilRodjmg: fiddle with the -a and -D options to see if you can get it to work with your preferred sound system
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11:39.42doleybHello, i would like in konqueror to move to a file by typing the first few letters of the filename.  How to do.
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11:41.50whirmdoleyb: type them
11:42.23doleybyes, i type them and it goes to the file whose _type_ starts with the letters.
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11:42.36doleybie, I want to go to test.cc and it goes to hello.txt
11:43.04doleybbecause it goes to which column you have set for sorting.
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11:46.13xanax`hi
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11:47.25PhilRodhi xanax`
11:47.43xanax`I just discovered the project "Kliker" and I must say that it's an excellent idea
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11:48.28xanax`it's simply awesome.
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11:53.53adamtxanax`: kliker?
11:54.00adamtdo you mean "klik"?
11:55.15xanax`well, the project that allows to temporary install kde software
11:55.32adamtaha - "klik" =)
11:55.37xanax`oh ok  sorry
11:56.38adamtdamn, i made him mad.. maybe it's my deodorant?
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12:23.24pinotreelol
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12:24.21DexterFhi
12:24.29DexterFhow do I delete comments from the bugtracker?
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12:32.31pinotreeyou can't iirc
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12:38.53PhilRodwhy would you want to do that?
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12:53.29DexterFdid a double post accidentally. looks dorkish.
12:53.35DexterFmeh, alright.
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12:55.53DexterFdoes debian have kde-3.4.2?
12:56.01DexterFunstable, that is
12:57.03adamtpackages.debian.org
12:57.08adamtgo look for yourself =)
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13:07.06occeim using kde 3.5 beta1 and have found a bug, could anyone please help me checking if that doesnt exist, and what to think about when adding it
13:07.18DexterFyou forgot </typicaldebianuseranswer> ;)
13:07.38adamtDexterF: huh?
13:08.12DexterFj/k. ok, 3.4.2 there
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13:09.24DexterFsomeone using kde-3.4.2 and kopete/icq in deb? does the "authorization/serverside contact list bug" exist there, too?
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13:21.25annmaDexterF: ask in #debian-kde
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13:27.23peratuHi.
13:27.42Hobbseehi
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13:33.46questihow can i hide navigation panel always ?
13:34.17question konqueror
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13:42.18chandoohi :)
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13:52.04Alethesanybody heard anything about qt-firefox?
13:53.24Ash-FoxNope
13:55.52apokryphosAlethes: I don't think it's being worked on, too much (there's a url somewhere flying about with a build); I think more concentration is going to Konqueror and Gecko
13:56.04Alethesok, good
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13:56.20AlethesI just want the ability to check my sites with gecko without having to have multiple browsers installed :)
13:57.02apokryphosaha, here's the link http://www.pryan.org/mozilla/firefox/hendikins/firefox-qt/
13:57.14apokryphoseasy to get running, but still pretty buggy
13:57.31Alethesis any real progress being made with gecko in konq?
13:57.58apokryphosThere was some stuff about it on the dot not too long ago (aKademy etc); that's worth checking
13:58.28AlethesI remember the original "we ported gecko to qt!" stuff, but I've never seen anything substantial as a result
13:58.44apokryphosexactly, and all that was done in *last* year's akademy :/
13:59.02Alethesyep
14:01.03Alethesheh, we need a gecko-part, huh?
14:01.53apokryphosand it is the superior rendering engine :D
14:02.59Alethesme too, but I still need to test in gecko
14:03.16Alethesit's too bad khtml isn't as easily extensible though
14:03.27Alethesthe firefox extensions are a good idea
14:03.47apokryphosyup
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14:16.24Alethessomebody attempted XUL for konq, but it failed apparently
14:16.32Alethesdon't know what the problem is
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14:20.47Oliver_Beogradwhat is the diferent's between KDE 3.3 and KDE 3.4.2...?
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14:22.13HnZeKtOOliver_Beograd: two numbers :P
14:23.00Oliver_Beogradthanks a lot
14:23.11Oliver_BeogradAuReUs_ReCtoR how are you my friend ?!
14:23.23AuReUs_ReCtoR;))))
14:24.18HnZeKtOOliver_Beograd: http://www.kde.org/info/3.4.php
14:24.27HnZeKtOand http://www.kde.org/info/3.4.2.php
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15:51.37Groovytry this: Configure window behaviour - Border size - oversized
15:51.50Groovywtf? :P
15:52.35frb-awayI don't have that option
15:53.07Groovyi have it in kde3.4
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15:53.18Groovyits just crazy
15:53.28frb-awaysounds like an accessibility thing though
15:53.33frb-away3.5b1 here
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15:56.25frbhmmm... I just told KDE to enable translucency and it didn't complain about no composite extension
15:56.43chrisagyou have to restart for it to usually
15:56.48chrisagat least that's what i've found
15:57.12frbit didn't tell me that either
15:57.25frbit just said that it's unstable, and could crash applications or even X
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15:58.15chrisagyeah i get that warning... and when actually enable the xcomposite everythings gets all fubar
15:58.23chrisagprobably because xcomposite sucks in 6.8....
15:58.31SpeShi, is there a way to add an entry to the klipper from a bash script?
15:58.32chrisaghopefully 6.9/7.0 fix this
15:58.34frbmore likely your card
15:58.49frbSpeS: dcop maybe
15:59.00AlethesSpeS: klipper is accessible via dcop
15:59.06chrisagfrb: probably I am using the ati proprietary drivers so I could have opengl
15:59.49SpeSfrb Alethes ok, I'll look at it, thanks
15:59.55chrisagI should proably buy a nvidia card until ati gets their act together... but i'm not sure how much better nvidia is...
16:00.05frb$50
16:00.30chrisag50?
16:00.32frbas long as you avoid the MX cards, you'll be fine
16:00.44chrisagwell i meant in general... and for linux
16:00.50chrisagand opengl directx etc
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16:00.57frbyeah, they all work in linux
16:01.16chrisagproprietary drivers or opensource?
16:01.30frb2d works with opensource
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16:01.42frb3d kicks a lot of buttox with closed drivers
16:01.57chrisagwell so do the radeon cards... with proprietary drivers...
16:01.58kayleehey, does anyone know an easy way to make different apps share the sound device?
16:02.13chrisagI haven't ever had a problem with 3d once the drivers were installed
16:02.13kayleeparticularly mozilla and gaim?
16:02.41chrisagkaylee: if you're using alsa use alsa-jack and jack together
16:02.44chrisagis one way.
16:03.11chandoohi :)
16:03.15kayleehum...thanks chrisag
16:03.24chandooany discussion on translucency
16:03.34chandooi am having issues with tv window
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16:07.23frbchrisag: nvidia's drivers are more mature, and better supported
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16:11.31chandoofrb: i am using nvidia
16:12.04chandoomy translucency is not crashed at least once
16:13.41chrisagfrb: I'd imagine but I don't want to drop $500 to replace my 9800 which blows any equivolant nvidia card in the same price range out of the water.
16:14.03cbrthe drivers from nvidia.com rock
16:16.40frbchrisag: www.tigerdirect.com
16:17.01frbchrisag: you can get inexpensive NV cards there that can kick your ATI's ass on 3d performance
16:17.19chrisageven within windows? ;) Tomshardware begs to disagree a lot on that one :x
16:17.21frbthen you also get renderaccell, and probably twinview which is better than XInerama
16:17.21chrisagoh
16:17.26chrisagand Non PCI express
16:17.36frbjust skip the MX cards
16:17.52frbthe MX is like the celeron of video cards
16:18.21chrisagfigured as much
16:18.34chrisagI haven't used nvidia since geforce days ;p
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16:20.27frbthe PC I'm trying to get this weekend has a 9600, which I think I'll try and replace as soon as possible
16:20.30benJImanthey're still geforce branded
16:21.24chrisagstill not the point...
16:21.36chrisagwhat's the equivolant of a 9800 ;)
16:21.41chrisagor something better for just as cheap
16:21.49chrisagsince I bought this about only a year and a half ago
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16:35.03kamarajuI am running KDE 3.4 on Debian unstable. I want the following functionality. Whenever I open a new window, I want to determine where it is going to be placed. Can this be done in kde? I remember doing something like this in fvwm where the new window will be with mouse and I can move the mouse and place the window whereever I want. Can this be done in KDE?
16:35.21chrisagyes
16:35.45chrisagright click on the window bar go to advanced->advanced settings
16:35.54chrisager special advanced you'll see it in there
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16:38.44kamarajuThere are five tabs in that window, window extra, geometry, preferences, workarounds. I looked under all of them but could not find it anywhere.
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17:53.52AuReUs_ReCtoROliver_Beograd, yuhuuuu :P
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17:54.00Oliver_Beogradde si
17:54.02Oliver_Beogradhaha
17:54.04Oliver_Beogradrektume
17:54.05AuReUs_ReCtoRtamooo :P
17:54.08AuReUs_ReCtoRi ejbo te on
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17:54.25Oliver_Beogradjebo ga rektum
17:54.36AuReUs_ReCtoRpa ne moze
17:54.38bushwakkois kdm theme manager going to be in kde3.5 ?
17:54.40AuReUs_ReCtoRmoze samo da ga jebu u rektum
17:54.42AuReUs_ReCtoRmalo se bolje raspitaj
17:54.43AuReUs_ReCtoRsta je rektum
17:54.45AuReUs_ReCtoR:)))
17:54.53pinotreebushwakko: of course
17:55.00bushwakkook
17:55.11bushwakkobecause it isn't in 3.4.2 right? and i can't emerge it either
17:55.25pinotreeno, there's in
17:55.32pinotree~split-ebuilds
17:55.34aptIf you didn't build the whole of a KDE module, we can't offer support. See http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=110806759516927&w=2 for the reason. Try #gentoo if you don't want to install the full KDE module.
17:55.37Oliver_Beogradznam znam ja sta je rektum :) AuReUs_ReCtoR :))
17:55.38bushwakkoI have split ebuilds
17:55.44pinotreebushwakko: ^^^^
17:55.48bushwakkopinotree: ?
17:56.01pinotreeread that and try asking in #gentoo
17:56.08bushwakkoread what?
17:56.27bushwakkoahh
17:56.29pinotreewhat apt said
17:56.32bushwakkogot it
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17:57.47bushwakko"unmaintainable insanity"
17:57.49bushwakkonice, nice
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18:00.38bushwakkopinotree: but kdm-theme-manager is supposed to be in 3.4.2 ?
18:00.46pinotreedon't know
18:00.51bushwakkodoh
18:01.03pinotreei don't have gentoo, so i don't know what that package name corresponds to
18:01.38bushwakkobut I mean, officially
18:02.03Tm_Tkdm theme managing is in kcontrol
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18:04.00bushwakkoTm_T: where? it's not here in my gentoo 3.4.2, is that a gentoo problem then?
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18:07.47Oleg_this thing "add applet to panel" seems too gnome-like
18:07.58Oleg_I am not sure I like it or not
18:08.29Oleg_I mean I like it by itself, it's beautiful and etc.
18:08.31_chavoOleg_, you'll get used to it
18:08.42_chavoplus it has the search bar
18:08.49crispynix-v6gnome and windows copied stuff from kde, so why not the other way around? ;^)
18:08.50Oleg_the only thing that bothers is that it's too gnome-like
18:09.13Oleg_gnome copied something from kde?
18:09.22crispynix-v6a few things, I think.
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18:09.59Oleg_when was it added? in kde 3.5?
18:10.00AciDhi
18:10.06crispynix-v6Oleg_: yep
18:10.43Oleg_ok
18:12.33AciDhow can you configure the kde sound system to use the alsa dmix plugin ? I try to modify the "choose a personalized device" to "plug:dmix", but kcontrol keeps telling me it can't open it. I copied the exact name that I used in xmms for info..
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18:17.46chrisagif alsa is running it should use dmix automatically if it's configured no?
18:17.53chrisagso therefore all you'd have to do is point kde to alsa
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18:28.32pluffsyoops
18:28.33pluffsyhello
18:28.39yolahi
18:29.15pluffsyI'm new to kde I'm trying to install a theme but the instructions at kde-looks.org doesn't work. I guess they where written for an older version. And maybe I need to install something for IceVM to work?
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18:29.43FlendorGood evening.
18:29.44pluffsyI just have a standard kubuntu installation. Maybe there is something missing there.
18:30.18pluffsygood evening flendor.
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18:33.59pluffsyThe instruction say there is something called IceWM under Looks and feel->Window Decrations (which I guess is what's called Apperance and themes) but there is nothing called icewm there
18:34.23FlendorIsn't IceWM another Window Maker?
18:34.36AciDchrisag > I have "/usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -a alsa -d -D plug:dmix -s 10 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f" running, but when I listen to xmms (with the dmix plug) I can't hear kde sounds when alsa is selected
18:35.02AciDtherefore I tried to add the "plug:dmix" string, but it doesn't accept it
18:36.09chrisaghmmm
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18:36.11chrisagdunno never really bothered with the sound to be honest.. sorry (
18:36.11AciDyou are lucky then :)
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18:36.13pluffsyflendor: I don't really have a clue. I remember there being a icewm option in kde without me installing anything when I ran KDE under redhat a long time ago. No it's a standard ubuntu install...
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18:36.57FlendorHmmm. Can you give me a link to the instructions?
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18:37.19pluffsyflendor: http://www.kde-look.org/help/index.php?type=18
18:37.39FlendorOK, looking..
18:39.52FlendorHmm.. There is no IceWM in appearance and Themes, right? Then I have no clue..
18:40.33pluffsyno there ain't :(
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18:47.03zePh7rhi
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18:48.02zePh7rI've got a problem with accentuated caracters; they show in an incorrect manner. What can I do about it?
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18:49.25Mr_700zePh7r: where are they wrong? Konqueror or ewerywhere?
18:51.11zePh7rMr_700: thanks for replying. Yeah, they are kind of everywhere, at least as far as I can see in konqueror and kontact
18:53.31Mr_700zePh7r: what locale do you use (echo $LANG says what), what KDE version?
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18:56.50zePh7rlocale: pt_PT.UTF-8 ; kde version: 3.3.2 ; Linux distro: Mandriva 2005
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18:59.37zePh7ron the other and, I'm able to write accentuatedly; and sometimes I even can see accentuated characters. It seems like some font incompatibility
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19:00.13zePh7rnot sometimes; most times. It only occurs rarely
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19:01.33Mr_700hm... utf-8, so you should not have problems, the font maybe...
19:01.35zePh7rlike in here: "Bernardo Sassetti est?? de regresso com um novo ??lbum."
19:02.57zePh7rand in the place where I took this from, it shows little squares where the ?? are
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19:08.46SuperNinjaKittyi am running kde3.3.2, in kmail i have alternating bachground/highlight which is white and black is there a way to remove the alternating and make it just white?
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19:12.07Mr_700zePh7r: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt - how bad does it look? or it renders fine enough?
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19:15.02zePh7rwell, even the author name shows little squares
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19:16.20Mr_700zePh7r: mozilla / firefox?
19:16.46Tallia1[UbuntU]hi
19:17.09Tallia1[UbuntU]it exist a combinations of key to show the desktop? like WIN+D in winzoz?
19:17.14zePh7rno, konqueror.  Firefox shows de page fine to me.
19:17.49HnZeKtOTallia1[UbuntU]: i use applekey + d ;)
19:18.45Tallia1[UbuntU]:P
19:18.54Tallia1[UbuntU]have you got linux on mac!!!
19:18.55Tallia1[UbuntU]ahaha
19:19.01HnZeKtOyeap
19:19.02Mr_700zePh7r: try playing with the fonts... have no idea... :(
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19:19.25Tallia1[UbuntU]anyway is there a terminal command to send kde the order to show the desktop
19:19.26Tallia1[UbuntU]?
19:19.47HnZeKtOTallia1[UbuntU]: you can creat a keyboard shortcut
19:19.52HnZeKtO*create
19:20.15Tallia1[UbuntU]yeah
19:20.19HnZeKtOtry kcontrol -> accesibility -> and something about shortcuts
19:20.29HnZeKtOdon't know the exactly english words
19:21.11Mr_700zePh7r: with 'MiscFixed' for me it looks fine... almost :)
19:21.34zePh7rMr_700: playing with the font works only undr kde? no firefox, for example, right?
19:22.30Mr_700zePh7r: no, firefox uses some default fonts (unless a page specifies other) and this is text file, so...
19:22.59Mr_700infact, every browser has default fonts...
19:23.05zePh7rso... where can I change the fonts?
19:23.17Mr_700in what, konqueror?
19:23.23zePh7ryeah
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19:24.16Mr_700zePh7r: settings -> configure konqueror -> fonts ;)
19:24.47cbri dont see it in firefox
19:25.07Mr_700for text files it is 'Fixed font'
19:26.21Mr_700cbr: you don't see what in FF (or I missed smth?)
19:26.33cbrthe text file
19:26.39cbrwell certain characters
19:26.55cbrprobably the font though
19:27.13Mr_700yes, not all fonts have all characters :(
19:27.23Mr_700alphabets...
19:27.39SuperNinjaKittyi am having trouble with KDE. i am running 3.3.2 i have alternating dark bars in kmail i have tried adjusting the list view in control center to no avail. Does anyone have an idea of how to fix this ?
19:27.44zePh7rwell, going to log out to see if it works...
19:27.53Mr_700zePh7r: no, don't
19:28.03Mr_700it should change fonts instan.....
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19:31.17pluffsyon gnome I use gFTP for ftp. what shall I use under kde?
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19:31.28Mahoundhi
19:31.29hydrogenkonqueror can handle
19:32.17pluffsyokey. and that works well?
19:32.20Mahounddoes anybody know a way of recording a kde window as video
19:32.22Mahoundfor demos?
19:33.27hydrogenpluffsy: I assume so.. not really sure
19:35.40Mr_700Mahound: 'import -window Konversation test.png' (from image magic) is not good enough... but...
19:36.02Mahoundi wanted videos :/
19:36.02hydrogenpluffsy: kbear also maybe
19:36.06Mahoundthanks, anyway
19:36.33Mr_700Mahound: KSnapshot ?
19:36.47Mahoundksnapshot takes only pics :|
19:36.51Mahoundbrb, dinner
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19:39.17Alethesput import -window Konversation test.png into a loop in a script :D
19:39.31Mr_700Mahound: http://linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/03/04/screen_capture_movies.html?page=last&x-maxdepth=0
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19:41.45_microHi
19:43.45SuperNinjaKittyi am having trouble with KDE. i am running 3.3.2 i have alternating dark bars in kmail i have tried adjusting the list view in control center to no avail. Does anyone have an idea of how to fix this ?
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19:44.32_microNo
19:44.59realif there is no option to do it, could play around in the source, or run it with a different theme
19:45.05StevenRSuperNinjaKitty: screenshot?
19:45.29SuperNinjaKittySteven i have no where to post it
19:45.57realtheres free image hosting places, could put it on echo.cx        or here too: http://yourfile.org/
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19:46.20_stalkerhi
19:47.11_microHi
19:47.24_stalkerI'm from Poland. And you ?
19:47.32_microgermania
19:47.39annmaI live in Canada
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19:47.56SuperNinjaKittyhttp://dwl7.yourfile.org/72277677317913/
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19:48.01Tm_TFinland o/
19:48.18_microfast gone
19:48.25realew looks ugly
19:48.25Tm_Tstalker couldn't stand me :/
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19:48.51SuperNinjaKittyreal my screenshot/
19:48.54_micromaybe
19:48.57realyea
19:49.06_microwhats ew?
19:49.31SuperNinjaKittyany way i can make it look better would be great
19:49.40reali just meant the kmail not your whole setup
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19:50.05SuperNinjaKittyreal understood, how do i fix the kmail ?
19:50.50reali would just adjust the colors of the theme
19:50.54_microim new to linux
19:50.58realin kcontrol
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19:51.19_microhave suse 9.3 since some days
19:51.36SuperNinjaKittyreal kcontrol is where?
19:51.52SuperNinjaKittyok
19:51.55realclickt he kde icon and go to control center
19:52.11SuperNinjaKittyi have tried to change it that way, no luck
19:52.16_micromake yast online update now
19:52.22realdid you change the Colors?
19:52.29realappearance and theme - > colors
19:52.38SuperNinjaKittythe background in list
19:53.20SuperNinjaKittyAlternate Background in Lists
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19:57.32SuperNinjaKittyreal yes i changed that, another question i have is where the three buttons in the upper right corner are?
19:57.39zone17Hi, I have installed the KDE app aKregator but it's complaining about akregator-part, which it can't find .Where could I possible explain it to look for those files?
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19:58.17realhm thats true, crazy
19:58.32SuperNinjaKittyis there a config file somewhere?
19:59.23SuperNinjaKittyi even tried a reinstall only saving my /home whatever is messed up is in my home dir
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20:00.00SuperNinjaKittyready to create another user and see if it is system wide
20:00.44realcould always update to 3.4
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20:01.11SuperNinjaKittydebian has issues with 3.4
20:01.31SuperNinjaKittygonna try a different user
20:01.44SuperNinjaKittyreal thanks for the help
20:01.45realin appearance and themes, under window decorations yo can add the buttons to minimize etc
20:03.45SuperNinjaKittythey are already selected. how do i transfer my address book to a pen drive?
20:04.20realjust find out where its located it and copy it over id think
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20:05.09SuperNinjaKittythanks real
20:05.15SuperNinjaKittyciao
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20:05.44_microare there much differences between distribtions?
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20:08.42Lars_GHelp please HELP.
20:09.01Lars_GKonsole died while playing a sound, now, I have a play type even stuck on arts, and it plkays and plays and plays
20:09.07Lars_GI've found to way to stop it.
20:09.11Lars_Geven restarting arts
20:09.40_microctrl alt esc
20:09.49Lars_GANy way to stop the sound (event) without restarting the system? to find out which pid is sending the message to kill it? should I create an unterminated out dev and redir the message there?
20:10.12Lars_G_micro: Nice, but what app do I kill? since the one that produced this is dead, not visible anymore
20:10.41_microi dont know, im new
20:10.43realis it using like /dev/dsp
20:10.50reallsof /dev/dsp     will tell you whats using that
20:11.29Lars_GNope it's not using dsp
20:11.34Lars_Gnot directly.
20:11.38Lars_Git's using arts
20:12.00Lars_GPhew at least I made it quiet, I added an arts mixer and it shut off (while it still exists)
20:12.39realhave you tried ps auxf
20:12.55realthat will give you a tree of apps
20:13.54Lars_Greal: I know, but I don't find the suspected process there, so it is dead
20:14.05realit would still show up
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20:14.17realcant have something running and not show up in ps
20:14.25Lars_GThen I don't have something running.
20:14.33Lars_Gthe sound message is just stuck in arts. for some reason.
20:14.52realyea but after you restart it, its still stuck? that doesnt make sense
20:14.54Lars_Gunless I'm killing the wrong suspect. sigh
20:15.01realsomething must be saying to it, play this, play this
20:15.04Lars_Gwho handles "Kde System Notifications" ??
20:16.26Lars_Gdcop? kdesktop? kwin?
20:16.56Lars_Gfound it.
20:17.03Lars_Gknotify (duh)
20:17.11Lars_Gphew there, the event is dead.
20:17.14Lars_Gahhh my poor ears
20:17.36real:]]
20:18.41realmust suck to have speakers without volume control
20:19.37_micro;-)
20:19.53_microhe might have no arms...
20:20.11realtrue
20:20.32_microdont know
20:20.46_microbt how he type?
20:20.59realvoice recognition
20:22.13_microu there larsg?
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20:24.56realmaybe fell down and cant get up since hes got no arms :[
20:25.01kaasjecan kde set a default rule for all windows ?
20:25.08_microyes;-)
20:25.24kaasjebut i not only mean system windows also app windows
20:25.32kaasjelike firefox
20:25.59_microhe dont answer anymore
20:26.22kaasjeo.o
20:26.33_microLars!
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20:26.49kaasjeanyones? :/
20:27.10_microcant answer youur qestion
20:27.26kaasjeyou can't or you won't ? :D
20:28.17realclick on the toolbar wtith right button and go to configure window behavior
20:28.19realis that what you want?
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20:28.48_microLars?
20:29.16kaasjehmm lemme check
20:29.32_microevrything running and Quiet?
20:29.57Lars_Gyes mirco?
20:30.20Lars_GI smash my head on the keyboard to type
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20:30.43_microuu hit good
20:30.52Lars_Gyup.
20:30.58Lars_GI've trained to aim with my nose
20:31.22_microvery fast
20:31.29kaasjereal: would a new firefox window be treated as a 'active' window??
20:31.51realactive window is window that is at the top
20:31.58reallike where you are typing
20:33.15kaasjeok, i se tit at 50%, however it doesn't turn transparent, should i restart the window or something?
20:33.46realdoes your transparancy stuff even work?
20:34.00realyou got to put option composite enabled into your x config
20:34.01kaasjek menu in transparant
20:34.16kaasjealso rightclick windows are
20:34.26kaasjenormal windows like these and firefox just ranet T_T
20:34.40realdont know then :[
20:34.47kaasjeokay :)
20:34.50kaasjethanks anyway /no1
20:34.50realfor me things get transparent
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20:36.37falsohello
20:36.51falsocan anyone tell me which package contains the google extension for konqueror
20:38.06_microDuring the last package installation, some changed configuration
20:38.06_microfiles were detected. Find the log files for the install process in
20:38.07_micro/var/log/YaST2/. Check whether your configuration files are still
20:38.07_microup to date.
20:39.19_microwhat the message means?
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20:40.32_microrestart after update?
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20:52.10rogerioalguem de Curitiba-PR ??
20:53.05caio1982_yes, but you better to speak in english here; try #kde-brasil instead
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21:01.03falsocan anyone tell me which package contains the google extension for konqueror
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21:15.03_microHi
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21:17.08_microhow i install a graphics driver?
21:17.19_microfor ati card
21:18.45db3_micro: what's your distro?
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21:20.41JessicaX^Hey, sorry for this - but i got the KDEbase source, couldn't find any dialogs -> It linked to themes .. So, is there any pages which anyone could point me to which refer to how you can style / change the login box to how you desire?
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21:22.26_microwhat login box?
21:22.47HuntsManJessicaX^: you mean KDM?
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21:25.47JessicaX^Yes
21:26.00JessicaX^Here' i'll show you a screenshot of what i mean
21:27.20JessicaX^http://www.cutterproject.co.uk/Casestudies/orwell_high_school_cutter_case_study.php?singleimage=&f=OrwellImages%2Floginscreen.jpg
21:27.29JessicaX^It's kinda hard to see
21:27.36JessicaX^But you can make it out
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21:32.40Oliver_Beogradcould somebody go to #flood to see something ?
21:36.03frbuse a pastebin
21:36.10frb`paste
21:36.25frbhttp://rafb.net/paste acording to the topic
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21:47.25Oliver_BeogradJessicaX^ :)
21:47.29Oliver_Beogradtell me
21:47.42JessicaX^Ugh
21:47.53JessicaX^Oliver_Beograd: Just please, leave me alone
21:48.01Oliver_Beogradok
21:48.13Oliver_Beogradbut I dont understand you anything
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22:06.14frbis there a kde calendaring program?
22:06.35alexissoftfrb: kontact
22:06.39alexissoftsorry
22:06.41alexissoftkorganiser
22:06.42crispynix-v6KOrganizer (part of the kontact suite)
22:07.02crispynix-v6you can also click the clock applet and you get a nice calendar -.-
22:07.43frbkorganizer is what I needed
22:07.49alexissoft:)
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22:08.09frbdoes it integrate well with kmail
22:08.33alexissoftfrb: yes
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22:10.51frbmy coworker is tired of outlook, and is willing to try linux
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22:32.05Johannis there anybody here?
22:32.59crispynix-v6no
22:32.59Johann:)
22:33.14chandoo:)
22:33.21Johanni'm tying to install kde 3.5b1, but i have a dependency pb
22:33.34Johannkdelibs3-arts is needed by kdelibs3-devel-3.4.91-5
22:33.35chandooJohann: what is that
22:34.13chandooun install arts
22:34.33chandooafter installing kde 3.5, install it again
22:34.54Johannok
22:36.18JohannThe following packages will be REMOVED:
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22:40.23_microhello
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22:45.12frbyou don't need all that gnome crap anyway
22:45.14frb:)
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22:49.35apokryphosanyone remember the name of http://kdelook.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=25065&file1=25065-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Black+Beauty ? Can't find it
22:49.43apokryphos(the superkaramba theme there, I mean)
22:50.13SuperNinjaKittycan anyone offer tips to setting up kpilot?
22:50.30jmghey all
22:50.35jmgim having problems iwth artsd
22:50.41jmgdevice cannot be opened for capture
22:50.54jmginvalid argument
22:51.03jmgartsd starts with null device any ideas
22:51.14jmgalsaplayer and aredcord work
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23:00.10jmgnevermind fixed and bug reported
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23:06.23grobnica_mladostjustlink
23:06.29JustLink:)
23:06.32grobnica_mladostwhere did you get that nick ?
23:06.35JustLinkHi, you should probably read the network policy page and maybe some information about the  network and maybe find a better network ;) .  Thanks!
23:06.58frbwho are you and why do you care?
23:07.09grobnica_mladosthe is my friend
23:08.27JustLinkJustLink
23:08.28JustLink:)
23:08.48JustLinki have find the inspiration on my cd-rw
23:09.07grobnica_mladostwhat is that cd-rw ?
23:09.58grobnica_mladostdamn kde
23:10.14JustLinkmy cd recorder
23:10.16grobnica_mladostI will make and make install SUICIDE for myself
23:10.21grobnica_mladostow
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23:27.13JustLinkÎëèâåðå
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23:27.46pinotreeàèéìòùæ
23:28.06annmaJustLink: set your IRC client to utf8
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23:28.23pinotreeannma: i got thoose letters correctly
23:28.35Sho_ditto
23:29.12frbor stop spilling meaningless garbage?
23:29.37annmaI am utf8 and I did not get them
23:29.49annmaéèàù
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23:30.12annmapinotree: you're utf8?
23:30.17pinotreeannma: yep
23:30.19Sho_I'm utf8
23:30.29annmaI got yours but not JustLink's
23:30.38frbI dunno what I am, but I got everything
23:30.46JustLinkne razumem vas
23:30.49AlethesI can see both
23:30.51frba large pile of accented vowels
23:31.03JustLinkãäå ¼å ïðîáëåì
23:31.09JustLinkÎëèâåðå ¼àâè ñå
23:31.10leonardoh?
23:31.15frbaccented vowels, and a 1/4 symbol now
23:31.26pinotreeyep
23:31.38Sho_yup
23:31.48Sho_exciting discussions tonight.
23:31.57frbJustLink: why are you here? You first tell #kde to get a new network, then you spew gibberish, and never ask a question
23:35.05grobnica_mladosthehe
23:35.33gravixcrazy
23:35.38grobnica_mladostmaybe
23:35.48grobnica_mladostbut how to set to see some other lettersa
23:35.50grobnica_mladostbut how to set to see some other letters
23:36.00gravixwhat letters
23:36.02annma<JustLink> Îëèâåðå ¼àâè ñå
23:36.15annmanice, I have a way to avoid spam
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23:36.24gravixyou can take your letters and shove them up... !!
23:36.41grobnica_mladosthow to shoe ?
23:36.56grobnica_mladostFor example, how to see JustLink letters ?
23:36.57gravixvery carefully.
23:37.12JustLink:)
23:37.20JustLinku must use.......
23:37.28grobnica_mladostnothing is must
23:37.33JustLinknow u can see
23:37.52JustLinkit,s a magic
23:38.06grobnica_mladostI am juist buried deep
23:38.18grobnica_mladostdeep in my soul
23:39.52apokryphosanyone remember the name of the karamba theme at http://kdelook.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=25065&file1=25065-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Black+Beauty ? Can't find it
23:41.51crispynix-v6apokryphos: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=25065
23:43.25apokryphoscrispynix-v6: so what's the name of the theme? :)
23:43.51crispynix-v6apokryphos: no idea, but you could email the author or check out the URLs ;)
23:44.24apokryphosI checked the URL, but see no mention of the karamba theme 8)
23:44.43crispynix-v6it could be something he made but hasn't submitted. who knows.
23:44.45apokryphos(you produced the link to the screenshot)
23:44.54apokryphosI know it's been submitted; I used it in the past =)
23:45.04crispynix-v6ah, dunno then
23:45.19crispynix-v6the link was to the content page not the ss btw
23:45.31apokryphoscontent page... of the screenshot, yes
23:45.44crispynix-v6well, it just tells you more than the screenshot ;)
23:47.04apokryphosI had the link to the content page obviously :), I just linked to the actual screeny in here because it saves people clicking on two things
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23:49.53crispynix-v6http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=27738  <--- that might answer your question
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23:51.54apokryphosgah, aero-g -- that is indeed it. Thanks. :)
23:52.49Chrisidis their any program i can open up image files with knoqueror
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23:52.57Chrisidinstead of konqueror opening up the image file
23:54.17annmayou can choose an embedded app like gwenview
23:54.27apokryphosChrisid: many apps can embed in konq
23:54.44annmaany kde graphic app can
23:55.56Chrisidok
23:56.12apokryphosjust alter the file associations in kcontrol
23:56.25Chrisidwill do thanks
23:56.32Chrisidanybody here using 3.5 beta?
23:56.38crispynix-v6yep
23:56.44Chrisidjust installed it
23:56.55Chrisidwhat differences are there
23:57.03Chrisidit looks nice and runs fatsr
23:57.06Chrisidfaster it seems
23:57.10Chrisidbut other than that
23:57.15crispynix-v6beware the new konq search box, it has annoying autocomplete -_-
23:57.27crispynix-v6can't seem to turn it off either
23:57.32gravixmy 3.4 search box doesn't work
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23:57.53grobnica_mladost:)
23:58.04gravixand it won't build the search index. any idea how to fix?

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