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| 00:02.11 | Maneit | dcop rocks, but I heard they where thinking of changing it out for the 4.0 release? |
| 00:02.18 | annma | yes |
| 00:02.28 | annma | dbus will replace it |
| 00:02.37 | Maneit | Allright, what makes dbus cooler than dcop? :) |
| 00:03.00 | emRick | buses are friendly but cops will bust your head. |
| 00:03.04 | annma | no idea, I did not dig into it yet |
| 00:03.25 | Maneit | emRick: haha :) |
| 00:03.30 | annma | Maneit: I know little about all that so I leave the choice to other people |
| 00:03.42 | annma | I'll learn when it's time |
| 00:03.47 | Maneit | Allright :) |
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| 00:04.23 | annma | dbus has a first big advantage as I see it: it's a free desktop project |
| 00:04.38 | annma | meaning it'll be used by other desktops |
| 00:04.45 | annma | meaning more interaction |
| 00:04.47 | Maneit | Thats a huge plus indeed |
| 00:05.55 | annma | and I also believe it is more powerful than dcop |
| 00:05.56 | emRick | you can read about both in Wikipedia: |
| 00:05.57 | emRick | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.58 | emRick | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.08 | annma | and dbus: http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/dbus |
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| 00:06.34 | illogic-al | [[d-bus]] |
| 00:06.35 | emRick | whoa, cool, Wikipedia has a category with 70 KDE articles: |
| 00:06.38 | illogic-al | [[dcop]] |
| 00:06.38 | emRick | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.41 | Maneit | neat |
| 00:06.51 | illogic-al | [[KDE]] |
| 00:07.02 | annma | exciting |
| 00:07.08 | Maneit | [[polecat]] |
| 00:07.08 | illogic-al | ain't that so much cooler :-) |
| 00:07.12 | Maneit | haha, just had to try that |
| 00:07.29 | Maneit | konversation makes wikipedia links when stuff is inside [[]]? |
| 00:07.32 | emRick | KDE on Wikipedia = freedom ^ freedom |
| 00:07.52 | annma | [[KDE]] |
| 00:07.59 | Maneit | That makes a wikipedia link for me |
| 00:08.00 | annma | hmm, I need a script |
| 00:08.41 | Maneit | If I click [[KDE]] it opens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/kde :-) |
| 00:09.05 | hydrogen | what is up my amaroK homizlle |
| 00:09.22 | hydrogen | ono |
| 00:09.25 | hydrogen | amaroK is MIA!!! |
| 00:09.42 | emRick | konversation looks cool ... but now I have to wrestle my heart between emacs ERC and KDE :-( |
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| 00:11.24 | annma | emRick: you look like the Ultimate Geek |
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| 00:13.17 | emRick | well, emacs is my old flame so I'll have to stick with ERC ... but still tricks from Konversation. |
| 00:14.09 | emRick | annma: I'm not so Ultimate ... just 15 minutes ago, someone on #debian called me a moron }-; |
| 00:14.17 | annma | no! |
| 00:14.29 | annma | you don't look like a moron |
| 00:14.51 | annma | you managed very well with dcop without us having to tell you it all |
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| 00:15.11 | emRick | :-) thanks ... at least on the internet no one calls me "good doggie" anymore |
| 00:15.22 | annma | ;0 |
| 00:15.39 | emRick | here's another nice Wikipedia article: |
| 00:15.43 | emRick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:18.38 | lmsalter | good evening : when i _try_ to make kdelibs it either gives libstdc++ error or if make without -path i get "NONE' errors - |
| 00:19.00 | lmsalter | that is -path without-rpath |
| 00:19.45 | annma | ok, lets start from the beginning |
| 00:19.52 | annma | what kde version are you compiling? |
| 00:20.13 | lmsalter | 3.4.2 |
| 00:20.23 | annma | and is it a distro compilation? like LFS or Gentoo |
| 00:20.34 | lmsalter | mandrake - lfs |
| 00:20.54 | lmsalter | qt compiled |
| 00:21.11 | annma | so for kdelibs |
| 00:21.19 | annma | you did ./configure |
| 00:21.21 | thiago | lmsalter: what error? |
| 00:21.22 | lmsalter | yes |
| 00:21.26 | annma | any output here? |
| 00:21.32 | annma | nothing missing? |
| 00:21.53 | lmsalter | nothing missing - it is the libtool runpath absolute error |
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| 00:22.11 | annma | paste the exact error in a pastebin |
| 00:22.13 | annma | please |
| 00:22.33 | thehil | does anyone know any software that records the screen activity and produces a movie of it? |
| 00:23.06 | frb | xvidcap |
| 00:23.49 | lmsalter | annma - this is the error - http://www.google.com/search?q=libtool+link+only+absolute+run+path+allowed+kde&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=10&sa=N |
| 00:24.04 | lmsalter | leave out the kde to get more |
| 00:24.29 | thiago | lmsalter: the Slackware changelog? |
| 00:24.32 | thiago | what about it? |
| 00:24.39 | annma | what arch are you on? |
| 00:24.44 | lmsalter | x86_64 |
| 00:25.15 | annma | I don't have a clear view of what's going on |
| 00:25.41 | thiago | lmsalter: it could be an .la that is installed in your system |
| 00:25.52 | thiago | can you paste the link command-line to a pastebin? |
| 00:27.02 | lmsalter | the libtool error is at the KDE-ICE/libkICE.la place in dcop Makefile |
| 00:27.12 | thiago | can you paste the link command-line to a pastebin? |
| 00:27.22 | lmsalter | thiago - i am not able to |
| 00:27.28 | thiago | why not? |
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| 00:28.13 | annma | and you're building here? |
| 00:28.22 | lmsalter | no |
| 00:28.33 | annma | you have noconnection from the built machine? |
| 00:28.40 | thiago | so whatever answer we give you, you won't be able to tell us if it worked? |
| 00:28.47 | annma | ;) |
| 00:28.54 | lmsalter | i can come back :) |
| 00:29.12 | thiago | when? in 3 hours? |
| 00:29.18 | lmsalter | do you have 'NONE' in the Makefile in the topmost dir or dcop dir |
| 00:29.30 | annma | it would be useful to see the real error message |
| 00:30.03 | thiago | anyways, the solution is to make sure all paths in all .la files in your system are absolute |
| 00:30.22 | annma | I'm out, bye and good luck |
| 00:30.23 | thiago | also make sure that all paths that are given in the command-line are absolute |
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| 00:30.38 | thiago | if one of them isn't, trace it back to where it was defined |
| 00:31.24 | lmsalter | > libtool: link: only absolute run-paths are allowed |
| 00:31.24 | lmsalter | > make[1]: *** [KDE-ICE/libkICE.la] Error 1 |
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| 00:31.40 | lmsalter | thanks annma |
| 00:31.55 | thiago | lmsalter: I need the command-line |
| 00:32.04 | thiago | and your Makefile |
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| 00:32.14 | lmsalter | okay - - i will bring them next time - |
| 00:33.57 | lmsalter | thiago - do you have 'NONE' in your dcop dir Makefile? |
| 00:34.25 | thiago | I have no Makefile |
| 00:34.29 | thiago | I can't check |
| 00:34.43 | thiago | but ther's no "NONE" in Makefile.am or .in |
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| 00:35.27 | lmsalter | I have 'NONE' in three place in the main Makefile and dcop dir Makefile - |
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| 00:36.38 | lmsalter | when i delete the NONE to the left of the '=' line they are on i get 'libstdc++.so could not read symbols - file is wrong format |
| 00:36.48 | lmsalter | left -> right |
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| 00:37.43 | thiago | what line do you have, exactly? |
| 00:41.02 | lmsalter | http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2004/07/msg00305.html |
| 00:41.10 | lmsalter | could you look at this and explain it |
| 00:42.21 | thiago | lmsalter: what kind of file is your libstdc++.so? |
| 00:44.00 | lmsalter | sorry thiago - i am unprepared - i think it is 5? |
| 00:45.42 | thiago | is it a symlink or a normal file? |
| 00:45.48 | thiago | if it is a symlink, where is it pointing to? |
| 00:45.51 | lmsalter | i had the exact same error when i compiled the tiff library and it compiled withy configure --disable-cxx but this doesn;t work here |
| 00:46.05 | thiago | either way, is the file being pointed to a valid ELF binary? |
| 00:46.32 | lmsalter | will 'file' tell me if it is a 'valid ELF binary'? |
| 00:49.33 | lmsalter | libstdc++.so is a link to the libstdc++.n file |
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| 01:02.57 | thiago | lmsalter: yes, in generall it wol |
| 01:02.58 | thiago | will |
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| 01:08.14 | rcbarnes | hello, everyone |
| 01:09.19 | rcbarnes | so my kde dep. apps are all toast, and i was hoping someone could help me track down the issue |
| 01:10.10 | lmsalter | thiago - how come you don't have a Makefile? |
| 01:10.12 | thiago | well, start by saying what the problem is |
| 01:10.21 | thiago | lmsalter: because I erased my builddir |
| 01:10.22 | rcbarnes | whenever I start an app, i get "Sorry - [name of app]" <-Title "Could not find mime type \n\n application/octet-stream)" <-dialog message |
| 01:10.24 | thiago | I only have the sources here |
| 01:10.43 | thiago | rcbarnes: find the file called application/octet-stream.desktop in your system |
| 01:11.00 | rcbarnes | followed by "Error - [App name]" <- title "No mime types installed" <- Dialog box |
| 01:11.05 | lmsalter | thiago - are you a kde developer or programmer? |
| 01:11.12 | thiago | lmsalter: both |
| 01:12.04 | rcbarnes | thiago, searching now... |
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| 01:13.50 | rcbarnes | well, it's not in my home dir... searching system-wide |
| 01:14.15 | rcbarnes | (on a 700 gig array, it'll take a bit) |
| 01:14.44 | thiago | you don't have an up-to-date locate database? |
| 01:14.53 | rcbarnes | nope |
| 01:14.56 | lmsalter | :) - i am also trying to get konqueror running from a blank system - like a jigsaw puzzle - i started with /usr/local/bin/konqueror and then copied the missing/needed libraries etc all from a known working system and have konqueror up and running but have some errors |
| 01:15.01 | rcbarnes | haven't updated in a week |
| 01:15.26 | lmsalter | would you mind if i ran some by you? |
| 01:15.39 | thiago | lmsalter: konqueror loads several modules dynamically |
| 01:15.49 | thiago | but go ahead, ask |
| 01:16.07 | rcbarnes | thiago, ok... found two files, one for 3.3 and one for 3.4 |
| 01:16.20 | rcbarnes | ./usr/kde/3.3/share/mimelnk/application/octet-stream.desktop |
| 01:16.22 | rcbarnes | and |
| 01:16.27 | rcbarnes | ./usr/kde/3.4/share/mimelnk/application/octet-stream.desktop |
| 01:16.33 | thiago | which one are you running? |
| 01:16.37 | lmsalter | i get 'dcopserver is already running - remove /root/.DCOPserver-(host)__0 - but the file is not there |
| 01:16.48 | rcbarnes | i don't actually run 3.4 |
| 01:16.51 | rcbarnes | err |
| 01:16.55 | rcbarnes | i don't actually run kde |
| 01:17.00 | rcbarnes | openbox |
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| 01:17.07 | rcbarnes | but i think my apps are all 3.4 |
| 01:17.08 | thiago | ok |
| 01:17.15 | thiago | rcbarnes: why do you have KDE 3.3 installed then? |
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| 01:17.28 | rcbarnes | i don't know... i didn't even realize it was |
| 01:17.40 | thiago | rcbarnes: is your KDEDIR variable set? |
| 01:17.49 | rcbarnes | don't know |
| 01:17.52 | rcbarnes | how do I check? |
| 01:17.56 | thiago | echo $KDEDIR |
| 01:18.09 | rcbarnes | nope |
| 01:18.11 | rcbarnes | not set |
| 01:18.13 | thiago | from the same terminal from which you can launch an app and get that error |
| 01:18.38 | rcbarnes | just get a newline |
| 01:19.06 | thiago | is KDEDIRS set? |
| 01:19.21 | rcbarnes | yeah, /usr |
| 01:19.27 | thiago | unset it |
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| 01:19.36 | rcbarnes | echo just "" into it? |
| 01:19.37 | thiago | now try starting the app from that terminal |
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| 01:19.41 | thiago | "unset KDEDIRS" |
| 01:19.44 | rcbarnes | oh |
| 01:19.46 | rcbarnes | lol |
| 01:20.17 | rcbarnes | still broken |
| 01:20.19 | rcbarnes | wait... |
| 01:20.22 | PhilKC-Linux | is this an ok place to ask a generic ksIRC question, they appear not to have a channel here? |
| 01:20.23 | rcbarnes | i have output now |
| 01:20.30 | rcbarnes | clay@HAL_5000D ~ $ k3b |
| 01:20.30 | rcbarnes | kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Found version 75, expecting version 79 or higher. |
| 01:20.44 | rcbarnes | there's the issue, eh? |
| 01:21.13 | thiago | yep |
| 01:21.19 | thiago | run "kbuildsycoca" |
| 01:21.23 | thiago | then try starting k3b again |
| 01:22.06 | lmsalter | hahaha - that was the next error i get |
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| 01:22.27 | rcbarnes | ah, ha! |
| 01:22.30 | rcbarnes | it works now |
| 01:22.36 | PhilKC-Linux | anyone? |
| 01:22.40 | rcbarnes | so the kbuildsyscoca does what exactly? |
| 01:22.43 | thiago | ok, now find the script that set KDEDIRS and remove the line |
| 01:22.44 | lmsalter | is there a 'kio' file or will kbuilsycoca be what i need |
| 01:22.58 | thiago | or make it set KDEDIRS to /usr/kde/3.4:/usr/kde/3.3:/usr |
| 01:23.16 | thiago | kbuildsycoca rebuilds the sycoca (system configuration cache) database |
| 01:23.20 | rcbarnes | m'kay... i have no idea where to find that script... |
| 01:23.34 | thiago | rcbarnes: in ~ or /etc |
| 01:23.34 | lmsalter | that is what i am missing the database - wow - |
| 01:23.49 | thiago | lmsalter: and several .desktop files and .protocol files too |
| 01:24.02 | thiago | lmsalter: konqueror also has to talk to klauncher, via DCOP |
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| 01:24.08 | rcbarnes | so how do I go about looking for it? just cating and greping? |
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| 01:24.18 | thiago | so konqueror requires klauncher, kdeinit, dcopserver and the ioslaves to be installed |
| 01:24.23 | thiago | rcbarnes: grepping |
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| 01:24.34 | PenguinPlayer | anyone know if i put a "powered by IBM" logo on my webpage if that is legal or not? |
| 01:25.08 | lmsalter | the ioslaves - is that the libxslt library? ( i did't compile in) |
| 01:25.23 | thiago | lmsalter: nope |
| 01:25.32 | thiago | that's kio_file, kio_ftp and kio_http |
| 01:25.46 | thiago | (.la, .so and the related .protocol files) |
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| 01:26.24 | lmsalter | what about 'KongFactory' |
| 01:26.59 | thiago | hmm? |
| 01:27.34 | rcbarnes | thiago, changed /etc/env.d/99kde-env |
| 01:27.40 | rcbarnes | sound about right? |
| 01:27.53 | thiago | looks like it |
| 01:28.01 | rcbarnes | excellent |
| 01:28.09 | rcbarnes | thiago, thanks a lot! |
| 01:28.14 | thiago | you're welcome |
| 01:28.59 | lmsalter | i get 'Konqueror warning KongFactory: Create view no factory |
| 01:30.36 | thiago | make sure you have khtmlpart and at least one of the konq*view parts |
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| 01:38.06 | lmsalter | could you expand just a bit on the konq*view parts |
| 01:38.48 | frb | is there a plugin for konq that makes it useful for web development? right now its error messages are useless |
| 01:39.32 | thiago | lmsalter: Konqueror is just a shell for the KParts |
| 01:39.37 | thiago | it loads them as needed |
| 01:39.45 | thiago | the webbrowser is served by the KHTMLPart |
| 01:41.16 | thiago | the filemanager is served by the the view modes, like the iconview, infolistview, detailedlistview, etc. |
| 01:41.51 | thiago | those are found by searching $KDEDIRS/share/services for .desktop files offering the right services |
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| 01:42.33 | forevertheuni | is someone from kbluetooth here? |
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| 01:46.39 | lmsalter | thiago - when i configured the kdebase - i got a mismatch between qt and my 'jigsaw stock' - and i fixed it by recompiling qt with the -dlopen-opengl - i don't think i have any opengl (nv driver vs nvidia driver loaded) - is this a problem later? |
| 01:47.49 | thiago | no idea |
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| 01:48.32 | lmsalter | thiago - i hope this isn't as stupid as i think it will be - but can i run konqueror without the dcopserver - i just want konqueror for a local file manager with capabilites to load local html and all the images on the html page |
| 01:48.39 | morgajel | anyone know offhand how to turn on subtitles in kmplayer? |
| 01:49.45 | thiago | lmsalter: dcopserver is required |
| 01:51.14 | lmsalter | does mozilla firefox or netscape have a similar program to do what dcopserver does? (like i know what dcopserver does - even after oogling it |
| 01:51.27 | thiago | no |
| 01:51.52 | frb | mozilla has the -remote interface, but it's no where near as cool as dcop |
| 01:52.14 | frb | all it can do is open windows and stuff |
| 01:54.02 | lmsalter | is dcopserver a replacement for corba? |
| 01:54.13 | thiago | yes |
| 01:54.24 | thiago | KDE dropped CORBA in favour of DCOP just before KDE 2.0 |
| 01:54.42 | thiago | it was known as "the day KDE became twice as fast" |
| 01:55.19 | frb | if you were still using that stupid corba server, sure |
| 01:55.44 | lmsalter | does gnome have a 'dcopserver' in it's software |
| 01:55.51 | thiago | no |
| 01:56.06 | frb | it uses orbit still? |
| 01:56.21 | thiago | that I don't know |
| 01:56.36 | Alethes | it was being used as of the last version I used (2.8) |
| 01:57.01 | lmsalter | i had to compile orbit2 to use totem - does orbit = dcopserver |
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| 01:59.59 | frb | orbit is corba |
| 02:01.47 | lmsalter | thiago - i am on a x86_64 and i have a couple different libpthread.so files - in /lib /lib64 /lib/tls all different sizes - but same name - i only noticed this when i got one of the compile errors about incompatible libpthread.so - could you tell me why all the different libptheads ( i know the ones in /lib are 32 bit ) but why the /lib/tls and /lib64 |
| 02:02.06 | lmsalter | frb - interesting point - |
| 02:02.19 | thiago | NPTL and LinuxThreads |
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| 02:06.57 | frb | is there a kgrep or something? |
| 02:07.25 | frb | I want to search through files using a perl regext, colorizing the output, and have it all in a neat scrollable area |
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| 02:09.19 | lmsalter1 | how do i tell the kdelibs make to find the correct libpthreads.so? i don't want to copy them to the 'correct dir' |
| 02:09.36 | thiago | it finds the one your system uses |
| 02:10.14 | lmsalter1 | this is the only compile that 'finds' the incompatible one |
| 02:10.25 | thiago | which two does it find? |
| 02:10.38 | lmsalter1 | i've compiled the kernel, gcc, xorg tons of stuff |
| 02:10.57 | lmsalter1 | the /lib/ one (which is 32 bit) |
| 02:11.00 | thiago | none of which use threads |
| 02:11.04 | lmsalter1 | lol |
| 02:11.42 | thiago | can you paste one link command-line that links to the wrong libpthread? |
| 02:11.50 | lmsalter1 | do i even need threads? i can disable it in the configure |
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| 02:13.08 | lmsalter1 | thiago - i am at a disadvantage and unprepared - i hope you don't think i am wasting your time with this - i am really learning alot - i will get all you request and come back - if what i have learned tonight hasn't fixed it - i think i have some good clues |
| 02:13.33 | frb | threads are good mmkay |
| 02:13.49 | thiago | the problem is I can't help you unless you're checking stuff for me while we're talking |
| 02:14.10 | frb | thiago: dude, you haven't rewted him yet? |
| 02:14.11 | lmsalter1 | yes i understand - |
| 02:14.28 | thiago | frb: he's at a café, not on his box |
| 02:14.40 | lmsalter1 | and i'm on a win98 machine lol |
| 02:15.33 | lmsalter1 | what is a program that uses threads so i can see if it finds the wrong libptreads also |
| 02:16.17 | thiago | mozilla and mysql |
| 02:16.49 | Alethes | lmsalter1: what OS are you using at home? linux or freebsd? |
| 02:16.55 | lmsalter1 | linux |
| 02:17.00 | Alethes | ok, nm then :) |
| 02:17.08 | frb | I run cpm on my toaster |
| 02:17.14 | frb | can I install KDE on it? |
| 02:17.36 | lmsalter1 | cpm !! i got a box of s100 backplanes - my retirement investment |
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| 02:18.30 | lmsalter1 | i don't use mozilla or mysql - so can i compile out threads ?? i need -threads to make the libqt-mt.so lib in qt though |
| 02:19.39 | thiago | hmm... Qt uses threads |
| 02:19.45 | thiago | does it link correctly? |
| 02:19.48 | lmsalter1 | yes |
| 02:20.12 | lmsalter1 | i dont think it has libtool though |
| 02:20.18 | thiago | no, it doesn't |
| 02:21.25 | lmsalter1 | my compile problem 'starts' with the libtool -rpath - needing absolute paths ( i will go through the .la file and hard code the correct paths - i think that is my stdc++ and libpthreads problem) |
| 02:25.45 | lmsalter1 | there is 'NONE' in the configure file that end up in the Makefile - no matter what i do - |
| 02:28.41 | frb | la files are so horrible and useless |
| 02:30.41 | lmsalter1 | like the incompatible libpthread.so error i get i only get the libstdc++ error for tiff and libmusicbrainz - are they the the only programs that use ??? g++??? like the kdelibs brings out the libpthread.so error cause it is the only program that uses threads |
| 02:31.32 | lmsalter1 | frb - libtool and pkg-config aren't easy to like either |
| 02:31.50 | thiago | are those libraries built for 64-bit? |
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| 02:32.38 | lmsalter1 | yes - whenever i do file on them they say 64bit |
| 02:32.55 | lmsalter1 | i will specifically check |
| 02:33.24 | gnoob | How do i change the background on my slpash screen? |
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| 02:35.42 | thiago | gnoob: xsetroot on your X session script |
| 02:36.18 | gnoob | thiago; on my xorg.config? |
| 02:36.39 | thiago | no, your ~/.xsession, or whatever script loads your session |
| 02:37.14 | gnoob | ah, ok |
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| 02:40.47 | lmsalter1 | is xine a kde based program? |
| 02:40.53 | frb | no |
| 02:41.04 | frb | kaffeine is, and can use xine as teh backend |
| 02:44.20 | surfa | ello |
| 02:44.38 | surfa | is there any place besides kde-look where i can find some kicker backgrounds? |
| 02:45.00 | surfa | didnt find any in kde-look :( |
| 02:45.16 | frb | I just make mine transluscent |
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| 02:46.42 | surfa | the default one is pretty sweet |
| 02:46.47 | surfa | but im looking for something else |
| 02:46.50 | surfa | or a tutorial to make my own |
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| 03:10.21 | Alethes | if I wanna know how many possible 8 char strings can be created with 62 possible characters, do I do 8^62 or it 62^8? |
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| 03:11.31 | frb | 62^8 assuming repeats are valid |
| 03:11.35 | thiago | how many possible 1-character strings can you create with 62 different chars? |
| 03:11.40 | Alethes | yeah, ok, thanks :) |
| 03:12.03 | Alethes | brainfart |
| 03:12.06 | frb | how much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood? |
| 03:12.09 | Alethes | I'm having a lot more of those in my 30s |
| 03:12.34 | thiago | now, which is more: 62^8 or 8^62? :-P |
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| 03:31.21 | lmsalter1 | how about a penny doubled everyday for a month ( 30 bit months) |
| 03:32.41 | oggb4mp3 | I'll take that |
| 03:34.43 | oggb4mp3 | $5,368,709.12 |
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| 03:41.47 | lmsalter1 | so here is the implication of this : if there are 100 genetic mutations a day - and just given a dna sequence of 20 bases so you get 4^20 - it would take 4 trillion years to randomly produce that - there is almost nothing that small in nature - how long would it take to randomly produce something uselful of say 10000 bases or 10000000 bases - like the color of your eys |
| 03:42.49 | thiago | if you apply the antropic principle, 1 billion years |
| 03:44.20 | thiago | the antropic principle is applied in questions like "why are the laws of physics just so as they are?" |
| 03:44.40 | thiago | the answer is, "they are like that because, if they weren't, you wouldn't be here to ask" |
| 03:45.22 | lmsalter1 | because we havent figured out how to work with it - did radio waves exist before marconi or tesla? |
| 03:45.57 | thiago | that's a schrödinger's-cat-question |
| 03:46.10 | thiago | but, yes, they did |
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| 03:48.43 | Lord-Phoenix | can i view messages in kmail as threads? |
| 03:48.55 | lmsalter1 | what i found interesting is that they really don't know what a radio wave is - we just put our radio signals on top of the radio wave - like a raft on a river |
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| 03:53.07 | Lord-Phoenix | ah, nevermind, found it |
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| 03:54.31 | parph | Hi, I'm getting an error in k3b unable to copy dvd, encrypted. Is there a way I can get around this, like a package out there that can bypass this problem? |
| 03:54.37 | surfa | is there any way to dont show up virtual desktops at all? |
| 03:54.43 | surfa | and use just the current one? |
| 03:55.02 | surfa | i set it to display only 1 but i want to get rid of that function at all |
| 03:56.15 | parph | Sufa: yeah right click on the kde taskbar somewhere free and choose "remove from panel" and then choose "applet". then remove "desktop previewer and pager", I believe |
| 03:57.27 | surfa | let me try |
| 03:58.00 | surfa | awesome ty |
| 03:58.09 | surfa | remove > applet > pager |
| 03:58.14 | surfa | that 1 did it |
| 03:58.51 | parph | yup |
| 04:04.40 | surfa | another question the kicker bg image |
| 04:04.48 | surfa | is there any place where i can find more? |
| 04:04.51 | surfa | i tried kde-look |
| 04:04.54 | surfa | but found none |
| 04:05.58 | surfa | the default.png looks pretty sweet but i want something different |
| 04:05.59 | chavo | surfa, I found some, but I can't remember where |
| 04:05.59 | parph | hmm, not sure |
| 04:05.59 | parph | you can skin the kicker taskbar? |
| 04:06.00 | surfa | yep |
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| 04:06.07 | parph | cool |
| 04:06.10 | surfa | its an image in /opt/kde/share/kicker/wallpaper |
| 04:06.12 | surfa | i believe |
| 04:06.26 | surfa | i tried to make some with fireworks but it didnt look cool |
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| 04:06.58 | parph | it never occured to me that kicker would be changeable |
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| 04:07.08 | surfa | i have it now with transparency |
| 04:07.10 | AnotherData | is there going to be anymore kde releases before 3.5? |
| 04:07.19 | surfa | but i seen a pearl black kicker bg that ruled |
| 04:07.22 | surfa | and i want to find that one |
| 04:07.33 | parph | pretty cool |
| 04:07.38 | surfa | yup |
| 04:08.02 | parph | you didn't find any new images for it? |
| 04:09.05 | surfa | nope |
| 04:09.10 | surfa | not in kde-look |
| 04:09.30 | surfa | and i tried to make my own but it didnt look good. if it helps of something |
| 04:09.39 | surfa | the img has to be a 27x27px |
| 04:09.48 | chavo | surfa, http://2sdw.com/kicker_pngs.tar.gz |
| 04:09.59 | surfa | ty chavo :) |
| 04:10.01 | chavo | surfa, waht version of KDE do you have? |
| 04:10.13 | surfa | 3.3 |
| 04:10.29 | chavo | those are some I found and made, they're not the greatest but they give you an idea |
| 04:10.58 | chavo | hmm I can use any size png here |
| 04:11.27 | chavo | for some I just took a screenshot and used the titlebar |
| 04:11.38 | parph | I just used a desktop pic I had for the kicker panel |
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| 04:12.23 | surfa | yeah? |
| 04:14.02 | surfa | there's an aplication to make great taskbars |
| 04:14.05 | surfa | in kde-apps.org |
| 04:14.06 | surfa | i think |
| 04:14.10 | surfa | hold up |
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| 04:14.26 | parph | I rarely change the visual options in kde, it's kinda cool theres alot you can do |
| 04:15.59 | surfa | here it is http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=6585 |
| 04:16.08 | surfa | yep |
| 04:16.50 | chavo | here's a shot of KDE 3.5 and a kicker background I made -> http://2sdw.com/images/09-07-dirty.jpg |
| 04:17.26 | chavo | you can have the background colorized with your theme in 3.5 |
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| 04:18.30 | parph | nice |
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| 04:23.39 | _Serega_ | good day |
| 04:24.30 | _Serega_ | Tell me please, how change name of popup menu in qt 3.3.1 designer? |
| 04:25.19 | _Serega_ | It (designer) sets all name of popup menus - "noname" |
| 04:25.35 | _Serega_ | and project not compile |
| 04:25.58 | _Serega_ | au! |
| 04:26.12 | surfa | mine looks like this: www.omegairc.org/slack1.jpg |
| 04:27.17 | surfa | but is old |
| 04:27.20 | surfa | i changed it a bit |
| 04:27.20 | _Serega_ | maby me mast go to chanel of developers? Haw he named? |
| 04:28.53 | elijahlofgren | _Serega_: Try #qt |
| 04:29.39 | _Serega_ | sank you |
| 04:30.00 | elijahlofgren | _Serega_: You're welcome. |
| 04:30.02 | _Serega_ | ssory for bad english |
| 04:30.15 | _Serega_ | :-) |
| 04:30.16 | surfa | _Serega_ are you french? |
| 04:30.21 | elijahlofgren | _Serega_: It's ok, I can understand you fine. |
| 04:30.22 | _Serega_ | Russian |
| 04:30.25 | surfa | ah |
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| 04:31.31 | surfa | im gonna give this ksmoothdock a try |
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| 04:50.08 | Neuronios | Error creating ./khotkeys/kcontrol/ui/windowdef_list_widget_ui.lo. Exit status 1. ??? whyyy ? |
| 04:50.23 | Neuronios | some know why it |
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| 05:12.32 | surfa | this is pretty sweet |
| 05:15.16 | Neuronios | Error creating ./khotkeys/kcontrol/ui/windowdef_list_widget_ui.lo. Exit status 1. ? |
| 05:15.26 | Neuronios | on compile kde3.5 branch |
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| 05:17.53 | marcusU | When I want to grab an older version from subversion, what's the equivalent of cvs update -D "2 days ago"? |
| 05:18.24 | Neuronios | i dont know |
| 05:18.27 | Neuronios | svn up |
| 05:18.29 | Neuronios | :P |
| 05:18.47 | marcusU | I really hate subversion. I miss CVS. |
| 05:19.03 | Neuronios | i prefer svn |
| 05:19.18 | Neuronios | what version kde you have using ..? |
| 05:19.32 | Neuronios | you are ... |
| 05:19.32 | marcusU | 3.5 branch. |
| 05:19.36 | Neuronios | ouuu |
| 05:19.42 | Neuronios | Error creating ./khotkeys/kcontrol/ui/windowdef_list_widget_ui.lo. Exit status 1. ? |
| 05:19.49 | marcusU | Huh? |
| 05:19.58 | Neuronios | i have this error .. on kdebase ...compilation .. |
| 05:20.20 | Neuronios | do you know why this .. |
| 05:20.20 | Neuronios | ? |
| 05:20.51 | marcusU | Not really, but a lot of times when I update a KDE module and re-do make without cleaning first, I get weird errors like that. |
| 05:21.05 | marcusU | Sometimes make works fine without doing 'make clean', and sometimes it doesn't. |
| 05:21.25 | Neuronios | ok .. |
| 05:21.26 | Neuronios | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.05 | Neuronios | marcusU what distribution do you are using ..? |
| 05:22.12 | marcusU | suse 9.3 |
| 05:23.00 | Neuronios | ok |
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| 05:24.06 | _Kevin | hi |
| 05:24.10 | marcusU | hello. |
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| 05:28.03 | surfa | marcusU: can you actually compile on suse? |
| 05:28.15 | surfa | things like 'make' are werkin? |
| 05:28.20 | marcusU | Yes. |
| 05:28.25 | surfa | ah okies |
| 05:28.40 | marcusU | I have been using Suse for 8 years. |
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| 05:29.06 | surfa | i tried suse 9.1 personal and had to install a couple things to compile with it |
| 05:29.52 | thechris | yes, thats true of all distros. you need gcc, and possibly some libs, to compile anything. |
| 05:29.55 | marcusU | Originally, "personal" was pretty usable you could compile most stuff with it. Then they crippled it. |
| 05:30.21 | surfa | yep so i heard |
| 05:30.21 | benJIman | marcusU: just had less packages installed, you could stilll install the other packages from mirror |
| 05:30.25 | marcusU | Eventually, Suse "personal" became so stripped-down that you couldn't do much of anything without a lot of downloading of stuff from ftp. |
| 05:30.38 | benJIman | looks like people want to go that way again |
| 05:30.45 | marcusU | benJIman: Yeah, but when you do not have a fast internet connection, it's difficult. |
| 05:30.48 | benJIman | soooo many people complain that it's not a 1cd install |
| 05:30.54 | surfa | needs of gcc compiler and other 2 rpms i cant remember their names i used suse a long time ago |
| 05:31.00 | surfa | now im back on slack :) |
| 05:31.02 | surfa | heh |
| 05:31.08 | thechris | i'm using gentoo still |
| 05:31.17 | surfa | gentoo is a great 1 |
| 05:31.19 | marcusU | But this last time, I just bought a third-party DVD of the Suse professional stuff. |
| 05:31.19 | thechris | fairly indiferent towards it though |
| 05:31.36 | benJIman | marcusU: you can buy boxed set if you're on slow connection, or get it from magazine or a friend or something |
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| 05:31.47 | thechris | "At the end of the day, it works. but it took you all day to set it up..." |
| 05:31.53 | surfa | hehehe |
| 05:32.13 | marcusU | benJIman: I don't have friends. So I bought a DVD with all the Suse professional stuff on it (X86-64 and 32-bit) |
| 05:32.29 | marcusU | It was $20-ish with shipping. |
| 05:32.49 | surfa | marcusU www.linuxiso.org |
| 05:32.51 | surfa | free |
| 05:33.27 | benJIman | surfa: doesn't help with a slow connection |
| 05:33.40 | marcusU | surfa: The latest Suse version is from a couple of years, ago, too, it appears. |
| 05:33.47 | surfa | ahh |
| 05:33.57 | benJIman | surfa: opensuse.org better place to download it |
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| 05:34.19 | thechris | i never really got into suse, mandrake, or fedora |
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| 05:35.03 | benJIman | gentoo is too much work for the lazy |
| 05:35.03 | marcusU | Suse was the only one that would boot on my old system without adding kernel parameters to the boot. Mandrake and Fedora would just die partly through installation with no explanation. |
| 05:35.04 | elijahlofgren | I started Linux on Red Hat 9 and have since switched to Gentoo. |
| 05:35.17 | marcusU | gentoo just isn't practical if you don't have a fast connection. |
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| 05:35.31 | benJIman | or a fast machine |
| 05:35.34 | surfa | i honestly after trying about 11 different distros and freebsd |
| 05:35.34 | thechris | marcusU: what is "fast" |
| 05:35.35 | elijahlofgren | benJIman: Unless the lazy person happens to enjoy configuring every part of his system. ;) |
| 05:35.38 | surfa | came back to slackware |
| 05:35.43 | benJIman | mmm i'll just do some work, oh wait I have to compile openoffice first |
| 05:35.46 | thechris | never tried slackware |
| 05:35.51 | surfa | its awesome |
| 05:35.55 | marcusU | thechris: "fast connection" == DSL or faster. |
| 05:35.57 | thechris | well OOo has a binary... |
| 05:36.00 | surfa | i upgraded the kernel in about 10 minutes |
| 05:36.01 | elijahlofgren | marcusU: I'm on dialup and I run gentoo. :) |
| 05:36.07 | benJIman | surfa: no package management |
| 05:36.13 | marcusU | elijahlofgren: You're more patient than I am. |
| 05:36.16 | thechris | marcusU: so long as its a persistant connection it can be faily slow |
| 05:36.19 | surfa | its awfully complete |
| 05:36.33 | surfa | ( Operating System ) Linux Slackware 10.1.0 Kernel: 2.6.10, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.1 | Desktop: KDE: 3.3.2 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.4 |
| 05:36.36 | surfa | thats gay but |
| 05:36.39 | surfa | thats mine |
| 05:36.40 | marcusU | I don't really like the idea of package management. |
| 05:36.48 | surfa | i dont mind it |
| 05:37.02 | surfa | gay as in ugly or out of place |
| 05:37.03 | thechris | i wouldn't use a system without package managemnt |
| 05:37.05 | surfa | hahaha |
| 05:37.05 | elijahlofgren | marcusU: yeah, but I've found tools that speed download up like getdelta |
| 05:37.36 | marcusU | surfa: It's still offensive. |
| 05:37.36 | benJIman | thechris: gentoo's package management isn't great |
| 05:37.45 | thechris | how do you figure? |
| 05:37.49 | elijahlofgren | benJIman: What is better? |
| 05:37.53 | surfa | marcusU: not in america |
| 05:37.55 | surfa | hehehe |
| 05:38.10 | marcusU | surfa: I'm American and I'm gay, and I find using the term "gay" to mean something bad is offensive. |
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| 05:38.44 | marcusU | I'm only one person, but I do my best to deter the promulgation of that use of the word. |
| 05:38.54 | surfa | marcusU: i believe this isnt the place to start an argument :/ even though if you are american you should of know we use the term 'gay' to mean many things besides sexuallity |
| 05:39.14 | surfa | e.g: something pathetic |
| 05:39.21 | marcusU | surfa: That's only a recent phenonmemon. |
| 05:39.29 | benJIman | marcusU: so is your usage |
| 05:39.31 | benJIman | http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=*&Query=gay |
| 05:39.33 | marcusU | Unless 5 years ago, gay means homosexual. |
| 05:40.05 | PenguinPlayer | anyone konw if its legal to use a "powered by IBM" logo on a website you're running? im using a ibm eserver. so....? i dunno |
| 05:40.09 | marcusU | That usage was well-established for many years. Meaning of "happy" has long disappeared from common speach. |
| 05:40.31 | benJIman | marcusU: it's still used somewhat but the new usage has somewhat corrupted the word |
| 05:40.38 | marcusU | If they don't like it, let them sue, PenguinPlayer |
| 05:40.55 | marcusU | benJIman: Really? I have never heard anyone use the term that way in real life. |
| 05:41.04 | PenguinPlayer | wtf |
| 05:41.06 | marcusU | Unless real-life includes old movies. |
| 05:41.36 | benJIman | not to mention in a lot of the best literature |
| 05:42.41 | marcusU | Nevertheless, using "gay" to mean stupid or bad is undoubtedly based on the premiss that being gay (homosexual) is a horrible thing. |
| 05:43.09 | marcusU | If I went around saying "that's so black" when someone said something stupid, people would just all offended. |
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| 05:44.06 | justin420 | anyone help me with upgrading my debian kde 3.3.2 to the newest kde?? |
| 05:44.25 | surfa | marcusU: let me ask you something. if you were in scotland and your sister was a brownie. and i say "today i ate brownies for breakfast" would you feel like i commited murder? then just drop it it ain't the place to talk about it at all. |
| 05:45.43 | thechris | every cultural group has negative stereotypes |
| 05:45.50 | surfa | true |
| 05:45.55 | thechris | gay is "1 syllable" |
| 05:46.01 | thechris | easy to say |
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| 05:46.18 | thechris | and rhymes with everything (excluding the words in this sentance) |
| 05:46.24 | surfa | lol |
| 05:46.41 | thechris | you can also hold the last syllable |
| 05:46.54 | thechris | to emphasize extra |
| 05:47.14 | benJIman | marcusU: perhaps the meaning of the word is just changing |
| 05:47.25 | benJIman | marcusU: it's allready changed once in recent history |
| 05:47.26 | marcusU | benJIman: But it's changing in a bad way. |
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| 05:47.33 | marcusU | And for bad reasons. |
| 05:48.01 | thechris | well, mainstream america seems to be catching a second wind of "morality" |
| 05:48.08 | surfa | hahaha |
| 05:49.10 | thechris | crap |
| 05:49.24 | thechris | something fell behind the desk and i can't close the drawer |
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| 06:16.49 | lwells | hi all |
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| 06:17.36 | covux | hi. ive a problem with kdeclock. everytime i change my timezone to CEST its back to UTC when i open the config dialog again. thanks for any help (debian unstable kde 3.4.2) |
| 06:18.01 | lwells | hi everyone |
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| 06:18.28 | lwells | how do i check which version of kde i have |
| 06:18.58 | jz | hi everybody!!! |
| 06:19.09 | kenshi | does anyone here know the fix for the invalid conversions in opengl.cpp? |
| 06:19.14 | chavo | lwells, go to the help menu of any application and click "About KDE" |
| 06:19.28 | jz | i need some help about installation |
| 06:19.38 | lwells | hi jz |
| 06:19.55 | jz | hi Iwells!!! |
| 06:21.09 | lwells_ | cool thanks |
| 06:21.44 | kenshi | "opengl.cpp:280: error: invalid conversion from `int' to `GLenum'" i get that error for many lines in that source file. |
| 06:22.41 | lwells_ | 3.4 is the latest version of kde for ubuntu |
| 06:22.47 | lwells_ | ? |
| 06:25.15 | jz | after extract .tar.gz and compile any files what i do? |
| 06:25.15 | jz | i need to put this file into some directory? |
| 06:25.46 | Larry | jz what are you trying to install? |
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| 06:26.23 | jz | hi again? |
| 06:26.37 | chavo | Larry, you can get 3.4.2 for kubuntu |
| 06:26.43 | Larry | there are usually installation instructions for applications you are tying to install |
| 06:27.24 | Larry | Do I get that from Kynaptic, chavo? |
| 06:28.01 | jz | i need help about compile files? |
| 06:28.07 | chavo | Larry, you'll have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list first |
| 06:28.27 | obsrv | jz, write ./configure && make |
| 06:28.58 | jz | cool obsrv!! thanks |
| 06:29.13 | obsrv | :-) |
| 06:29.20 | chavo | Larry, http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php |
| 06:30.15 | jz | obsrv what i do with this file i need to put into directory?? |
| 06:30.27 | jz | after the compile? |
| 06:30.34 | obsrv | make install |
| 06:30.44 | obsrv | write "make install" |
| 06:30.45 | obsrv | :-) |
| 06:30.53 | obsrv | it will put the files where they need to be |
| 06:31.38 | jz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.02 | Larry | ok chavo, i edited the sources.list file, do i need to reboot now? |
| 06:33.05 | jz | for exemple!!! /usr/src/xmame?? this righ?? |
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| 06:36.41 | Sphearion | im using fc4 with kde (no gnome installed) and im trying to change the background of the login manager, i change it in control panel - system admin - login manager - background and then next login its still the default blue.... !? |
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| 06:40.06 | jeh_work | Sphearion: don't fedore use gdm as the login manager? or have you changed to kdm? |
| 06:40.48 | NSK | yes fedora uses its own login manager |
| 06:40.49 | Sphearion | thats the DISPLAYMANAGER="" line in /etc/sysconfig/desktop right? |
| 06:40.54 | NSK | and the default is blue |
| 06:42.02 | jeh_work | Sphearion: i have it set to KDE, but it still runs gdm. so i don't know about that... this with fc3 |
| 06:42.52 | Sphearion | jeh_work, i have it set to KDE as well but its still loading gdm appearently |
| 06:43.41 | jeh_work | Sphearion: yeah, but as i see that dialog once every month or so it doesn't bother me that much. fedore has gtk/gnome rooted deeply into its infrastructure |
| 06:44.22 | jeh_work | hm, i should install breezy on this machine (work machine) |
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| 06:44.49 | Sphearion | http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=60205&highlight=kdm ima try this jeh_work |
| 06:46.13 | soidfiodfj | brb |
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| 06:47.46 | Larry | chavo, once i do the update, do i edit that file again, and take out that line?? |
| 06:48.44 | chavo | Larry, no leave it in, in case you want to add another kde app. |
| 06:48.53 | chavo | it will need that repository |
| 06:49.01 | Larry | oh that is right, duh was not thinking |
| 06:49.58 | Larry | i will need to change it once KDE comes out with a new version right? |
| 06:50.49 | chavo | Larry, you will probably upgrade to Breezy before that |
| 06:51.17 | Larry | WHat is Breezy?? |
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| 06:53.30 | chavo | but eventually someone will package 4.5 for breezy |
| 06:53.30 | chavo | 3.5 that is |
| 06:53.51 | chavo | breezy is the next version of kubuuntu |
| 06:54.06 | chavo | it will come out on Oct 13 |
| 06:54.15 | Larry | we are on Hoary right now huh |
| 06:55.05 | chavo | yes, well I upgraded to breezy preview the other day |
| 06:55.16 | chavo | but it's not recommended to upgrade yet |
| 06:55.17 | Larry | how do you like it Chavo |
| 06:55.46 | chavo | It's nice, I don't use the kubuntu KDE packages though. I build my own. |
| 06:56.04 | Larry | too advance for me right now |
| 06:56.08 | chavo | I'm going to help build KDE 3.5 for kubuntu when it comes out |
| 06:56.20 | Larry | that is great |
| 06:56.58 | chavo | 3.5 is going to be an awesome release. There's a lot of little fixes. |
| 06:57.26 | Larry | how often does Kubuntu come out with new versions? |
| 06:57.37 | chavo | every 6 months |
| 06:57.50 | Larry | wow faster than Apple |
| 06:58.10 | benJIman | most distros use 6month or thereabout release cycles |
| 06:58.20 | chavo | that's where the number scheme comes from, hoary is 5.04 -> the first number is the year and second the month |
| 06:58.34 | chavo | yeah 6 months is pretty standard now |
| 06:58.43 | benJIman | hmm acid2 rendering still broken |
| 06:59.00 | Larry | and that because, there are a lot of contributors huh |
| 06:59.21 | chavo | benJIman, it's real close though |
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| 07:02.37 | benJIman | chavo: was fine until recently though |
| 07:03.20 | chavo | benJIman, in 3.5 alpha it worked |
| 07:03.39 | Larry | chavo do i need to reboot to have the new KDE on the system? |
| 07:03.39 | chavo | or I saw a screenshot of it anyway |
| 07:03.55 | chavo | Larry, no just log out and back in |
| 07:04.05 | Larry | ok thanks |
| 07:04.06 | benJIman | chavo: it worked upto a week or so ago |
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| 07:14.48 | jeh_work | is there anything that can make kde access an ipod? not just "see" it but synchronize songs on it |
| 07:14.58 | benJIman | chavo: hopefully it will be fixed by final 3.5, after it's been so widely publicised that konqueror renders it properly in 3.5 |
| 07:15.22 | jeh_work | the ipodslave only works for older kde versions |
| 07:15.34 | jeh_work | gtkpod seems to be the best bet so far |
| 07:15.37 | benJIman | older than what? |
| 07:16.05 | benJIman | have you checked kde-apps.org? I use kzenexplorer for my zen, don't know what there is for ipod though |
| 07:16.32 | jeh_work | the ipod is a bit special as it has a database that must be updated |
| 07:16.47 | benJIman | the zen has a proprietry filesystem |
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| 07:17.07 | jeh_work | the ipodslave does it all, but it won't compile on a 3.4.2 and cvs lacks a lot of files |
| 07:18.05 | benJIman | I expect it will compile on 3.4.2, suse have packages |
| 07:18.23 | jeh_work | well, those packages are patched then |
| 07:18.40 | benJIman | what distro are you using? |
| 07:18.54 | jeh_work | the sources require some kde headers that have been removed, the authors even said so in a changelong |
| 07:19.00 | jeh_work | kubuntu hoary |
| 07:19.23 | jeh_work | the last release is from april, i think it was |
| 07:19.36 | benJIman | http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS-RC1/inst-source/suse/i586/kio_ipodslave-0.6.3-3.i586.rpm |
| 07:19.49 | benJIman | that's from suse 10 which uses kde 3.4.2 |
| 07:19.51 | jeh_work | doesn't really help he :) |
| 07:19.53 | jeh_work | "me" |
| 07:20.06 | benJIman | jeh_work: grab the src rpm, extract, apply diffs and build |
| 07:20.14 | jeh_work | i don't at all doubt that it can be made to work with some knowledge and hacking |
| 07:20.31 | jeh_work | well, that's a better idea |
| 07:20.35 | benJIman | http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS-RC1/inst-source/suse/src/kio_ipodslave-0.6.3-3.src.rpm |
| 07:20.37 | benJIman | that's the src rpm |
| 07:20.45 | benJIman | if you extract that you'll probably find tarball and some diffs |
| 07:20.59 | jeh_work | yup |
| 07:21.16 | jeh_work | in the dark ages i used to do some rpm:s |
| 07:21.35 | benJIman | rpms are great |
| 07:22.22 | chavo | nothing wrong with rpms |
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| 07:23.25 | jeh_work | back then when you downloaded rpm:s manually and installed with "rpm -i --force *.rpm" it wasn't too fun :) |
| 07:23.30 | benJIman | jeh_work: the rpm contains kswap.h, presumably that's what it needs to build |
| 07:23.38 | jeh_work | yes |
| 07:23.42 | benJIman | jeh_work: sounds like you're using red hat |
| 07:23.48 | chavo | jeh_work, I remember those days |
| 07:24.03 | jeh_work | i used red hat up to 4.x |
| 07:24.23 | chavo | I started at 5.0 |
| 07:24.24 | benJIman | installing debs manually isn't fun either |
| 07:24.27 | jeh_work | the 2.x version, darn, that was a good one |
| 07:24.32 | benJIman | ie with dpkg rather than apt get |
| 07:24.42 | jeh_work | benJIman: no, defintiely not |
| 07:24.46 | chavo | Nope and that's waht people don't understand |
| 07:24.58 | chavo | an rpm and a deb are essentially the same thing |
| 07:25.11 | benJIman | yeah, deb does do some things better and rpm other things |
| 07:25.12 | jeh_work | rpms are ok now that "something else" pulls them down and takes care of dependencies |
| 07:25.25 | benJIman | new rpm spec will add many of the things people prefer |
| 07:25.32 | chavo | just as something else "apt" does for debs |
| 07:25.39 | benJIman | or apt for rpm |
| 07:25.49 | jeh_work | back when the first rpm:s arrived it was bliss. you could easily remove packages! |
| 07:25.56 | chavo | Never used apt for rpm |
| 07:26.00 | benJIman | spoilt for choice now with yast, apt, yum, smart, urpmi etc |
| 07:26.06 | jeh_work | yup |
| 07:26.15 | chavo | I used rpm distros up untill about 6 months ago |
| 07:26.37 | chavo | Went from Mandrake to kubuntu |
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| 07:27.01 | benJIman | I found both mandrake and kubuntu's kde packages to be a bit broken |
| 07:27.10 | chavo | but I don't use packages for KDE, I like to build it myself |
| 07:27.15 | benJIman | but havn't tried mandrake for few versions nw |
| 07:27.26 | jeh_work | benJIman: what was broken with kubuntu's? |
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| 07:27.39 | benJIman | jeh_work: well for a start everything seemed to segfault every 5mins |
| 07:27.41 | chavo | benJIman, I'm probably going to be packaging some parts of 3.5 for kubungtu |
| 07:27.45 | benJIman | jeh_work: they didn't seem to have hal support |
| 07:27.59 | jeh_work | benJIman: heh, slightly annoying |
| 07:28.00 | chavo | benJIman, the original 3.4 packages, yes |
| 07:28.09 | benJIman | jeh_work: plus didn't have support for system stuff like ubuntu's gnome packages |
| 07:28.13 | jeh_work | i use the 3.4.2 packages and they seem ok |
| 07:28.17 | chavo | but the 3.4.2 release has been good |
| 07:28.26 | chavo | but I don't use them all the time |
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| 07:28.49 | benJIman | suse's 3.4.0 patches still apply to current svn which is nice |
| 07:29.11 | benJIman | because I wouldn't like to be without smooth scrolling and the semi translucent rubberband and the yast integration |
| 07:29.47 | chavo | benJIman, you running Suse? |
| 07:29.51 | benJIman | yes |
| 07:30.17 | chavo | I think that kubuntu used that semi-translucent rubberband patch |
| 07:30.28 | chavo | I'll have to try it out |
| 07:30.29 | benJIman | yeah, in the next release anyway |
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| 07:30.52 | jeh_work | i look forward to breezy |
| 07:31.17 | chavo | yeah, I have breezy installed in vmware |
| 07:31.21 | jeh_work | hopefully 3.5 will be backported to it |
| 07:31.51 | chavo | jeh_work, 3.5 will be released for breezy |
| 07:32.26 | chavo | I'm backporting a few fixes into 3.4.2 |
| 07:32.28 | jeh_work | oh |
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| 07:32.52 | jeh_work | is the 3.5 release date before breezy's? |
| 07:32.55 | peppelorum | Sometimes my bookmark toolbar disappear, like when I create a new tab, switch tab or similar, someone else experiencing this? Have been this since like ~3.2 or something, running 3.4.2 now |
| 07:33.01 | chavo | It's after |
| 07:33.57 | jeh_work | chavo: or will kubuntu breezy be release after kde 3.5? |
| 07:34.14 | chavo | jeh_work, breezy comes out first |
| 07:34.34 | chavo | on Oct. 13. |
| 07:35.01 | chavo | peppelorum, have you had the same ~/.kde since 3.2 |
| 07:35.03 | benJIman | kde 3.5 seems to have just missed this distro release cycle |
| 07:35.21 | benJIman | still hopefully means that it will be more stable by the time it gets into the distros main release |
| 07:35.37 | peppelorum | chavo: think I have cleared it for every major-version |
| 07:37.04 | jeh_work | oh, just when i was about to thank him for pointing out suse's ipodslave packages... |
| 07:37.27 | jeh_work | at least they now compiled ok, can't test before i get home though |
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| 07:54.12 | pinotree | hello =) |
| 07:54.15 | atzup | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.39 | pinotree | mdouhan: ping |
| 07:55.06 | atzup | can i ask? |
| 07:55.37 | atzup | anybody knows about linux software?/ |
| 07:57.10 | atzup | anybody knows about linux software?/ |
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| 08:00.54 | johnny69 | atzup: In the Kde channel? :) |
| 08:01.27 | johnny69 | try #winxp :) |
| 08:01.52 | atzup | hwo can i go there |
| 08:02.26 | johnny69 | atzup: I was being sarcastic. Linux questions in a windows XP channel? |
| 08:02.44 | johnny69 | atzup: You might be in the right place...depends on your question actually. What's wrong? |
| 08:02.58 | atzup | why i cnat install games? |
| 08:03.01 | jeh_work | i think people know about linux software, so ask and we'll see |
| 08:03.11 | atzup | why i cant install games? |
| 08:03.15 | jeh_work | what games? |
| 08:03.20 | atzup | any games? |
| 08:03.32 | johnny69 | atzup: Define question a little further. What games? |
| 08:03.32 | jeh_work | sure you can install any linux games |
| 08:03.50 | johnny69 | atzup: What "game" are you trying to install ? |
| 08:03.51 | atzup | example WarCraft |
| 08:03.53 | jeh_work | and even some windows games using wine/cedega |
| 08:04.07 | atzup | online games |
| 08:04.07 | johnny69 | jeh_work: heheh, good luck with that. :) |
| 08:04.24 | johnny69 | atzup: Ok, warcraft....do you have the LINUX version of this game? |
| 08:04.29 | jeh_work | johnny69: yeah, i wouldn't bother, but apparently it can be done |
| 08:04.32 | atzup | nope |
| 08:04.45 | johnny69 | atzup: Ok, then you aren't going to be able to install it and play the game. |
| 08:05.03 | johnny69 | At least in the fashion that you are used to under ms xp/2000/98...etc |
| 08:05.05 | jeh_work | the only windows game i want to play on linux is "combat mission", and it won't work with cedega |
| 08:05.23 | atzup | so! how can install it>? |
| 08:06.00 | atzup | can i install a CounterStrike in linux? |
| 08:06.22 | johnny69 | If there isn't a linux version of the game in question...and you can't get any type of emulator to do it. Such as crossover, or generic Wine...etc..then you really out of luck, for lack of a better term. |
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| 08:06.43 | thechris | atzup: best luck with cedega or such |
| 08:07.42 | johnny69 | atzup: Listen, a "game" is not just a "game" that can be randomly installed. If it is NOT made for Linux...you are probably not going to be able to install it. That is, install and run normally. Maybe get lucky like I said and use an emulator such as wine. |
| 08:08.49 | johnny69 | atzup: you understand ? |
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| 08:12.29 | atzup | so! i better to use is imulator? |
| 08:13.21 | atzup | so! what kind of games can i install? |
| 08:13.55 | thechris | see www.transgaming.com |
| 08:14.14 | Tm_T | ET, UT2kX etc... yeah, linux versions |
| 08:14.52 | atzup | ill just check what kind of games i install |
| 08:16.23 | atzup | how can i install counterstike source?? |
| 08:16.42 | jeh_work | check the above site |
| 08:16.56 | atzup | ok |
| 08:16.59 | jeh_work | it's your best bet unless there is a linux version around |
| 08:18.10 | jeh_work | it's a bit like trying to use a ford engine in a nissan. it can be done, but it's not pretty |
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| 08:18.13 | nodie | hi |
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| 08:18.23 | jeh_work | hi nodie |
| 08:18.39 | nodie | I've a problem with Kmail, I want to use msmtp instead of sendmail as smtp |
| 08:18.46 | nodie | is it possible? |
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| 08:22.50 | atzup | waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 08:22.59 | atzup | its to hard! to install.................. |
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| 08:23.29 | Tm_T | no its not |
| 08:23.52 | Tm_T | you are just used to different approach |
| 08:23.53 | atzup | can u give me some... guide? |
| 08:24.33 | atzup | plz help |
| 08:24.33 | Tm_T | what's the problem? |
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| 08:25.47 | Tm_T | it's hard to help if you can't specify your problem ;) |
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| 08:26.10 | ingwa | PhilRod: hi |
| 08:26.14 | ingwa | Ah, hi Boud |
| 08:26.19 | boud | hi... |
| 08:26.23 | thechris | once you install cedega. install Point2Play. insert disc into drive (if you have autofs/submount/supermount/ivman it will mount automatically). click "install" in point2play |
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| 08:26.40 | boud | philrod: ingwa tells me you know about the kde release scripts... |
| 08:27.12 | PhilRod | boud: not a clue, sorry |
| 08:27.13 | ingwa | Rather: I said he knows about the documentation. |
| 08:27.17 | atzup | i cant install any games |
| 08:27.21 | atzup | even the counter strike |
| 08:27.23 | atzup | waaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 08:27.31 | boud | Ok... so you cannot reassure me either. |
| 08:27.37 | PhilRod | atzup: ask in #yourdistro |
| 08:28.08 | thechris | atzup: maybe try #brokenrecord |
| 08:28.30 | atzup | theres no one there? |
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| 08:29.07 | PhilRod | ah, #yourdistro scores another hit |
| 08:29.27 | Tm_T | =) |
| 08:29.34 | PhilRod | atzup: that's #the-name-of-your-linux-distro, rather than the literal #yourdistro channel |
| 08:29.36 | Tm_T | PhilRod: you're mean =) |
| 08:29.53 | PhilRod | (although I hang around there to find out who's far too literal) |
| 08:29.54 | thechris | heh, again, refer to #brokenrecord |
| 08:30.05 | PhilRod | Tm_T: 99% of people manage to work it out |
| 08:30.18 | Tm_T | PhilRod: at least I hope so =) |
| 08:30.19 | PhilRod | only about 2 or 3 have ever actually gone to #yourdistro :-) |
| 08:32.40 | atzup | my linux name is Kubuntu |
| 08:33.06 | PhilRod | then go to #ubuntu |
| 08:33.13 | Tm_T | or #kubuntu |
| 08:33.17 | Tm_T | no, don't come |
| 08:33.18 | atzup | #kubunto |
| 08:33.24 | atzup | huh> |
| 08:33.27 | Tm_T | forget what I said ;--P |
| 08:33.33 | atzup | ngekz |
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| 08:38.56 | atzup | ei |
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| 08:39.34 | pinotree | oh, btw hello PhilRod |
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| 08:40.56 | PhilRod | heya pinotree :-) |
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| 08:41.16 | pinotree | damn, kontact is so cool! |
| 08:41.45 | atzup | im done download the half life |
| 08:42.00 | atzup | but thereis no zip or winrar |
| 08:42.09 | atzup | i cant extract the files |
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| 08:43.22 | atzup | damn |
| 08:43.35 | atzup | i dont have a license of microsoft |
| 08:43.38 | atzup | :( |
| 08:43.46 | atzup | i cant afford it |
| 08:44.02 | deus | h |
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| 08:45.47 | tofirius | hello all... |
| 08:45.53 | tofirius | can anyone help with sound? |
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| 08:47.02 | Tm_T | no |
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| 08:47.30 | Tm_T | we can't because you disappeared too damn fast |
| 08:47.38 | Tm_T | hi ill o/ |
| 08:48.27 | atzup | waaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 08:48.50 | PhilRod | atzup: put up or shut up please |
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| 08:50.55 | atzup | sorry |
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| 08:55.55 | freakabcd | hi all |
| 08:56.15 | freakabcd | does valgrind have a separate channel? or do questions go here? |
| 08:56.34 | PhilRod | #kde-devel is probably the best place |
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| 09:08.47 | drzoot|laptop | i just started install windoze on a spare partition so i can play some games that ive got, windoze is on an 80G and linux on a 120G, with the 120G drive plugged in windows install says it needs to format it to continue even though im not installing there, without it plugged in windows installs the 80G no probs |
| 09:08.57 | drzoot|laptop | does that sound fishy to anyone else |
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| 09:10.34 | Tm_T | sounds like windows installer to me |
| 09:10.55 | Tm_T | especially if your linux hd is master and win hd slave |
| 09:11.43 | pinotree | drzoot|laptop: why a partition? i'm done a fake winzozz installation with wine :-) |
| 09:11.51 | pinotree | s/i'm/'ve/ |
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| 09:12.34 | PhilRod | pinotree: how well does that work? I was thinking of recommending something similar to someone |
| 09:12.46 | pinotree | depends on the game |
| 09:12.53 | drzoot|laptop | pinotree: i only use windoze for games and ive got a spare 80G so i figured it would just be easier |
| 09:13.08 | drzoot|laptop | yeah well i want to play fable: the lost chapters |
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| 09:13.15 | drzoot|laptop | i doubt wine would like it |
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| 09:13.35 | pinotree | i've installed on it starcraft (works well) & diablo2 |
| 09:14.01 | pinotree | but diablo1 don't run and AoE won't install :-( |
| 09:14.15 | drzoot|laptop | i never could get diablo 2 to work with wine |
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| 09:18.34 | PhilRod | pinotree: hrm, games work - that sounds good. I'm wondering what to recommend to my cousin who needs video editing apps |
| 09:18.54 | pinotree | maybe |
| 09:19.06 | pinotree | because it really depends from app to app |
| 09:19.09 | PhilRod | I think I can persuade him to use linux provided that he can still use some kind of video editing apps (and using his windows ones would be easiest) |
| 09:19.17 | PhilRod | yeah, that's the impression I got of wine |
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| 09:25.10 | claviceps | hi everyone |
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| 09:26.34 | claviceps | i'd like to have the icons in a bar show as small as possible so i tried setting the size to 16 in appearance -> icons but it has no effect on the "default" size :( |
| 09:26.49 | TSK | Hallo. How goes it this fine eve/morn? |
| 09:27.29 | TSK | I must say the new KDE 3.4 is a true work of art thus far. Really liking it a lot since the upgrade. 8) |
| 09:28.04 | claviceps | yes, i like it too :) |
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| 09:28.43 | claviceps | so are the icon settings supposed to be the default? |
| 09:28.44 | TSK | Much crisper and cleaner and more responsive than older versions. Truly starting to be the UberDesktop for the modern Linux. 8) |
| 09:28.57 | claviceps | hehe |
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| 09:29.50 | PhilRod | TSK: heh, cool - glad you like it. You can find some more developers in #kde-devel to thank, and of course, you're very welcome to join the team - there are loads of ways to help out |
| 09:30.07 | PhilRod | (coding, docs, translation, promo, artwork, websites, ......) |
| 09:30.18 | PhilRod | oh, and 3.5 will be even better :-D |
| 09:30.25 | TSK | Sorry. I'm just looking at it here on a 17" Apple Studio Display on nVidia hardware and it's just mucho improved over the past few revision points. 8) |
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| 09:31.14 | TSK | I look forward to all new versions after seeing how big a difference this last upgrade made. Nice new features and bug fixes for old features. Well worthy of the time fighting with RPM dependency hell. 8) |
| 09:31.37 | TSK | <- Mandrake User 8( |
| 09:31.47 | TSK | Err... Mandriva... |
| 09:31.50 | PhilRod | heh |
| 09:32.21 | TSK | LOVE Linux tho. I keep shrinking my windows partition using QTParted until one day soon it'll be GONE FOREVER! 8) |
| 09:32.41 | TSK | 'enhanced'? Erm. Sounds iffy... |
| 09:33.04 | TSK | If I need enhanced, I'll compile from raw source off the CVS. 8) |
| 09:33.25 | PhilRod | oh, he's just an idiot who posts his build problems continuously on the kde-devel list. Apparently he's making "enhanced" mandriva packages |
| 09:33.34 | TSK | LOL |
| 09:33.45 | PhilRod | heh, it's SVN nowadays - CVS is old hat :-) |
| 09:34.00 | TSK | Aye, true. I use SVN on my own network here locally too. 8) |
| 09:34.10 | TSK | The Apache integration is just TOO nice. 8) |
| 09:34.21 | PhilRod | but yeah, if you have any free time and would like to get involved with KDE, we can find something you'd enjoy doing |
| 09:35.16 | TSK | I've actually been working toward making time to learn C++ so I can twiddle with REAL code. (Been learning web design to pay the bills, but PHP is kinda... Welll... Not really powerful enuff for what kinda coding I REALLY wanna do. 8) |
| 09:35.52 | TSK | Been a big fan of KDE since the 2.0 days, but these 3.x revisions have just been phenomenal. 8) |
| 09:36.09 | PhilRod | heh, well, if you don't hate PHP too much, there are plenty of places in KDE where PHP coders would be welcome |
| 09:36.40 | TSK | I play with Quanta+ a lot and Kommander's a pretty nifty tool too. Been GUIfying some of my administration tasks with it. 8) |
| 09:37.06 | TSK | Quanta+ is TOO nice. NEVER gonna need Dreamweaver ever again on my personal box. 8) |
| 09:37.22 | PhilRod | oh, I saw a minidemo of kommander at akademy, and have been meaning to play around with it |
| 09:37.35 | TSK | <- HATES M$ with a passion. Seen ONE too many bluescreen 'stop errors'... |
| 09:38.05 | TSK | Kommander ROX! Reminds me a LOT of a tool I used to have on my old Amiga 4000 for coding GUIs for Arexx. 8) |
| 09:39.15 | TSK | You really should mess with Kommander if you need fast, easy, GUIs for simple tasks or for use in scripts, or whatever. It's nice. 8) |
| 09:40.05 | TSK | Originally was for creating the dialogs for Quanta+ script addons but works just fine with KDE Dcop or whatever it's called. 8) |
| 09:42.09 | TSK | I yearn for the day the Linux desktop is 'complete' enough for Average Joe so we can just do away with Windoze entirely. I've been campaigning to ALL my friends and colleagues to stick ENTIRELY to open document standards for file exchange between them and avoid use of any screwy M$ 'standards'. 8) |
| 09:42.43 | TSK | M$ Office is a Pox on computers... BAD Bill. Bad bad... |
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| 09:44.46 | TSK | So, anyone wanna brag about what's coming up in KDE 3.5? Anything about it that'll get us drooling for it? 8) |
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| 09:51.46 | Cappy | q... is it possible to configure kontact/kmail to quote replies the way outlook does? |
| 09:56.36 | PhilRod | what way is that? |
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| 09:58.38 | Cappy | where the original message is at the bottom, without indentation etc |
| 09:58.54 | Cappy | preferably i'd be able to configure it per contact though, or on domain basis |
| 09:59.12 | Cappy | it's just for some MORONS here who are confused by proper quoting |
| 09:59.22 | Cappy | definitely not my own desire |
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| 10:00.39 | PhilRod | there's settings -> configure kmail -> composer -> phrases, where you can change the "quote indicator". Dunno if that'll do exaclty what you want |
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| 10:02.08 | Cappy | i'll just ignore the complaints |
| 10:02.36 | StevenR | Cappy: complain at them for not quoting properly |
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| 10:03.37 | Cappy | StevenR: i did, do and will. but apparently outlook-style is "standard" nowadays and people think it's convenient to send an email saying "can you do this" and then let me read through 180K and three months of project history to see what the heck they mean |
| 10:05.17 | StevenR | Cappy: nope, it's not standard, it's what MS want to try and define as a standard...very few people I know do it that way, and it annoys me immensely too.....worse is top posting so that the message appears to be part of the sig...so when you reply, you have to manually past the message in.. |
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| 10:08.57 | PhilRod | apt: Because it's in the wrong order |
| 10:09.00 | PhilRod | d'oh |
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| 10:09.26 | PhilRod | huh? if I type A: at the beginning of a line, it gets changed to "apt:" |
| 10:09.31 | PhilRod | apt: foo |
| 10:09.33 | apt | bar |
| 10:09.44 | PhilRod | hrm, xchat weirdness, I suppose |
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| 10:13.25 | pinotree | apt: hello |
| 10:13.25 | apt | hello, pinotree |
| 10:13.31 | pinotree | that kind =) |
| 10:13.47 | metaperl | how do you select the font for konsole? I've been googling for 15 mins now |
| 10:14.11 | pinotree | metaperl: settings->font->select... |
| 10:14.12 | Cappy | RMB -> Setting -> Font -> Custom |
| 10:14.37 | soidfiodfj | is there any way to change the color of the digital clock on the taskbar? |
| 10:14.39 | soidfiodfj | kde 3.3 |
| 10:14.44 | soidfiodfj | my bg is black |
| 10:14.44 | metaperl | pinotree: thank you |
| 10:14.46 | soidfiodfj | so i cant see it :s |
| 10:15.16 | Cappy | soidfiodfj: RMB -> Configure Clock -> Digital Clock.. |
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| 10:15.32 | Cappy | then Foreground/Background/Shadow colours are configurable |
| 10:16.23 | metaperl | it would be nice if KDE bookmarks extended across ssh calls. ie. /[terry@hcoop.net/etc/domains/org/metaperl |
| 10:16.47 | soidfiodfj | RMB? |
| 10:16.50 | metaperl | s/KDE/konsole |
| 10:17.05 | soidfiodfj | what's RMB ? |
| 10:17.45 | pinotree | soidfiodfj: a click with the right mouse button |
| 10:18.05 | soidfiodfj | ah |
| 10:18.07 | soidfiodfj | lol |
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| 10:19.04 | PhilRod | metaperl: you could request it as a wishlist on bugs.kde.org |
| 10:19.40 | metaperl | yes... good point |
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| 10:39.03 | orangey | hey all! |
| 10:39.21 | orangey | what's the kde button that turns the volume up and down? |
| 10:41.47 | fangel | anybody got a good idea for a soundcard with a RCA S/PDIF output ? (and, of course, works with Linux) |
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| 10:44.52 | PhilRod | orangey: don't think there's one by default, but you can probably create one |
| 10:45.00 | CyberSpy | fangel I haven't come across one that doesn't, so, just about all of the "name brand" cards/onboard chipsets |
| 10:45.09 | CyberSpy | orangey, kmix |
| 10:45.12 | orangey | PhilRod: there is one that I've seen before.. |
| 10:45.37 | orangey | CyberSpy: not exactly what I'm talking about.. I'm talking about a keyboard button.. |
| 10:45.43 | CyberSpy | kmenu.. sound and video.. kmix, it's not a "button" btw |
| 10:45.46 | orangey | XF86_volume_up or something? |
| 10:45.59 | CyberSpy | ah, ok, so it's not a kde thing, it's a keyboard thing |
| 10:46.04 | CyberSpy | look at your shortcuts |
| 10:46.16 | orangey | CyberSpy: well, kde answers it in a different way |
| 10:46.26 | orangey | it's not a "shortcut" but something built into kde. |
| 10:46.37 | CyberSpy | it's a hotkey |
| 10:46.40 | PhilRod | kmilo or one of the laptop things will do something similar, I think |
| 10:46.40 | orangey | while tied into kmix, it is not a kmix shortcut |
| 10:46.42 | CyberSpy | look at your shortcuts |
| 10:46.49 | orangey | not a hotkey.. |
| 10:46.58 | CyberSpy | I'm looking right at it |
| 10:47.05 | CyberSpy | okay, fine, it's not |
| 10:47.09 | CyberSpy | good luck on your quest then |
| 10:47.09 | orangey | CyberSpy: what is the behaviour? |
| 10:47.25 | orangey | CyberSpy: it would be ideal if we were talking about the same thing. |
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| 10:48.03 | fangel | CyberSpy: well, not all has RCA S/PDIF... some have 3.5mm jack S/PDIF... |
| 10:48.05 | CyberSpy | my volume up and down on the keyboard control the alsamixer, how is that not the same thing |
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| 10:49.30 | CyberSpy | fangel I was referring to those, I use to use a Sound Blaster Audigy with a 3.5 (motorola jack) to rca converter, now I just use optical on board |
| 10:49.38 | CyberSpy | going to a harmon kardon reciever |
| 10:51.12 | orangey | CyberSpy: well, because any hotkey can do it. I want the "KDE" way |
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| 10:51.31 | CyberSpy | It's not a "KDE" way. |
| 10:51.37 | orangey | and I found it by grepping in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/inet . the "button" I'm looking for is "XF86AudioRaiseVolume" |
| 10:51.43 | orangey | thank you for your help, though. |
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| 10:55.30 | GuERo | hi |
| 10:55.51 | pinotree | hello GuERo |
| 10:56.24 | fangel | CyberSpy: Is there a RCA -> Jack S/PDIF converter?, because then I can just by something like a SB Audegy2 Value... |
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| 10:59.47 | GuERo | When change the properties of source and color of the clock of the KDE bar is created a file clock_panelapplet.. Single in that file keep the properties from the clock? because I copy in/usr/share... kde/..config/so that it puts all the users equal who are created and he does not work, it remains with the clock by default without color neither special font nor nothing. |
| 11:00.06 | CyberSpy | fangel http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/audio_toslink_adapters.html |
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| 11:18.52 | spiral | hi |
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| 11:50.55 | markit | hi :) anyone here using OpenOffice m12x (maybe also debian unofficial packages)? I need to confirm a crash (easy to test) |
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| 13:02.36 | edulix | hi ! |
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| 13:04.16 | edulix | in kde 3.4.0 when I put an icon in the upper mac os x bar, if the menu of the current app is large, it moves it to left if needed, and if you change to another app, it gets back to its initial position. that last thing doesn't happen in kde 3.4.2, why? |
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| 13:10.11 | claviceps | i encountered the DPI issue of KHTML with kopete and now i'm wondering if there is a fix for that; anone knows? |
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| 13:24.23 | lwells | i cannot find my control center, can anyone help? |
| 13:25.26 | mart_k | lwells: Maybe Alt+F2 kcontrol |
| 13:26.49 | lwells | Thanks got it, but how can i put it back on my Kmenu |
| 13:27.23 | mart_k | lwells: You can use the menu editor to put kcontrol back. |
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| 13:28.40 | RichiH | any suggestions on a small, analog clock which can be placed, sized and colored via the command line and does _not_ show up in the task bar? |
| 13:29.22 | RichiH | ideally, it would only appear if any app is going fullscreen |
| 13:30.19 | lwells | Thanks Mart |
| 13:30.34 | lwells | But i wonder why it dissappeared in the first place |
| 13:31.08 | mart_k | RichiH: You can try "xclock" started with kstart. |
| 13:31.53 | mart_k | lwells: np. You maybe accidently moved it away. |
| 13:32.23 | lwells | ok cool |
| 13:32.24 | mart_k | RichiH: kstart --skiptaskbar xclock |
| 13:33.26 | RichiH | mart_k: thanks, i will look at it :) |
| 13:33.57 | mart_k | RichiH: np |
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| 13:39.57 | RichiH | mart_k: where can i put things to autostart? |
| 13:40.18 | RichiH | kstart --ontop --alldesktops --windowclass "oclock, Clock" --skiptaskbar oclock -transparent -bw 0 -geometry 100x100-2-2 -fg green <<-- neat |
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| 13:47.37 | mart_k | RichiH: There is something in the FAQ about autostarting: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/configure.html, question 9.10. |
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| 13:48.44 | mart_k | RichiH: It is question 10.10. |
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| 14:12.07 | RichiH | mart_k: :) |
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| 14:26.24 | elirips | hello. is there some nice graphical tool for kde, that does the same like 'du'? like displaying a hirarchy of the filesystem, and showing me where my space has gone too? |
| 14:26.50 | pinotree | elirips: kdf |
| 14:26.54 | pinotree | kdeutils/kdf |
| 14:27.33 | elijahlofgren | elirips: Try using Konqueror in "File Size View" mode. |
| 14:28.06 | elijahlofgren | elirips: View -> View Mode -> File Size View |
| 14:28.17 | benJIman | elirips: kdirstat |
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| 14:29.28 | benJIman | elirips: http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/15894.html |
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| 14:29.45 | elirips | thanks people. kdirstat looks excactly what i've been looking for :) |
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| 14:43.28 | physos | elijahlofgren: filelight might be something to look at, too. |
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| 14:46.37 | elijahlofgren | physos: Ok, I'll look into it. |
| 14:47.02 | physos | elirips: which is invoked by View Mode --> Radial View IIRC (the File Size View is KDirStat, I think) |
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| 14:50.22 | elirips | physos: thanks, i'm happy with kdirstat. looks nice, and the information is displayed in a very easy way.. |
| 14:50.54 | physos | elirips: tastes differ ;) I can better work with the chart like interface of file light. |
| 14:53.42 | elirips | physos: i always forget about the syntax of command like 'du' and so on.. i absolutly need things like kdirstat.. there is no more space around my monitor for more post-it-notes ;) |
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| 15:21.28 | pinotree | wb PhilRod |
| 15:21.32 | pinotree | mdouhan: ping |
| 15:22.02 | PhilRod | hiya pinotree :-) |
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| 15:23.44 | markit | hi :) anyone involved with kooka? seems to be still at May 4 2004... |
| 15:24.55 | hon | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.55 | PhilRod | yeah, I did, but i can't remember offhand what the procedure was |
| 15:26.02 | PhilRod | I think you just sign up for an account |
| 15:26.07 | hon | I am in |
| 15:26.39 | hon | but it just "content file 1" has the upload button |
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| 15:30.39 | hon | the other ones just have link to external |
| 15:30.53 | hon | can't I upload more than one file there? |
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| 15:46.19 | jamiel | Gah ! All these Kopete Styles on KDELook.ord say "Read the Readme" ... There are not README's in the Downloadable tar's ... |
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| 16:07.52 | _rob | Anyone here tried out klik yet? |
| 16:08.36 | benJIman | it's a bit dodgy |
| 16:09.04 | _rob | is it buggy? |
| 16:09.08 | benJIman | sometimes doesn't seem to mount things properly |
| 16:09.17 | benJIman | but it's quite nifty |
| 16:09.24 | _rob | hmmmm. The idea sounds promising |
| 16:10.59 | benJIman | _rob: there are a number of issues with it, being seperate from the package management system that the core system is using you can't upgrade parts of the core system, you can't install for all users, if you're running it from where you have rw access then they have write access to their program meaning potential security issues |
| 16:11.30 | _rob | I never thought about that |
| 16:11.42 | _rob | It does seem like a good way to test nightly builds though |
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| 16:33.58 | Smak | I have kde 3.3 and 3.4 installed. When I set KDEDIRS=/usr/kde/3.3 some of my apps like develop don't work work. When I set KDEDIRS=/usr/kde/3,4 some of the KDE components fail to load. |
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| 16:44.10 | kwwii | mAtr1 |
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| 16:45.29 | The0retico | pls can someone send me link to some kde app running also on win? |
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| 16:47.12 | The0retico | ...pls i need it to check some gui, but i dont have linux at hand... |
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| 16:47.26 | Smak | use google fool |
| 16:47.45 | The0retico | i tried... |
| 16:48.07 | The0retico | but damm i threw out links to kde and kde on cygwin only... |
| 16:48.15 | mart_k | The0retico: There are Qt apps that run on Windows, I don't know if there are kde apps that runs without cygwin. |
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| 16:48.39 | The0retico | hmm |
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| 16:48.50 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 16:48.58 | mart_k | The0retico: A live CD can also be a solution. |
| 16:48.58 | PhilRod | hi tombs |
| 16:49.48 | The0retico | ...i have notebook with weird graphic card which is not supported by most of live distros... |
| 16:50.08 | The0retico | ...i said most althought i dont know any... |
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| 16:50.18 | KDB9000 | hey everyone, i am having trouble with my text on other programs outside of KDE's kernel (QT, web browsers, and other programs). the text is really small. anyone know what is is up? |
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| 16:51.17 | ste | hi all. When compiling a program, I have lots of warnings complaining about, for example: |
| 16:51.20 | ste | /usr/share/qt3/include/private/qucom_p.h:69: warning: 'struct QUBuffer' has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor |
| 16:52.24 | Smak | warnings are FINE |
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| 16:53.26 | mart_k | The0retico: Then I think Qt-apps are the best to show (or: I also don't any KDE apps that runs on Windows). |
| 16:53.54 | ste | Smak: i know, but it sounds strange, because not all apps I compile give those |
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| 16:54.18 | Smak | maybe those other apps dont use that library |
| 16:55.04 | Smak | if you want to spend the time, then go through the code and find out why.. and if so inclined fix things and send a patch to the maintainer |
| 16:55.16 | PhilRod | KDB9000, you need to change the font settings for those apps individually |
| 16:55.19 | ste | Smak: well, actually it's an app of mine. but, am I offtopic here? |
| 16:56.08 | ste | Smak: i could have a messed machine... actually |
| 16:56.08 | KDB9000 | PhilRod how do i do that? what file do i edit cause there isn't a text setting in the options |
| 16:56.32 | PhilRod | KDB9000, depends on the app. Eg, a gtk app uses settings from, um, wherever gtk gets its settings from |
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| 16:57.06 | KDB9000 | PhilRod, hmm. |
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| 16:59.32 | PhilRod | KDB9000, for example, I'm using xchat, and it has a setting in its menus to change the fonts used |
| 16:59.43 | robert_ | I hate quanta- it crashes on me every time I try to create an HTML document in VPL mode |
| 16:59.59 | PhilRod | thanks for sharing |
| 17:00.04 | mart_k | ste: That warning is in the Qt library, but only if they include that file. |
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| 17:01.23 | mart_k | ste: Looking to my own version of that file, I haven't any virtual functions there. |
| 17:01.33 | KDB9000 | PhilRod, i had to do that in firefox |
| 17:03.03 | ste | mart_k: obviously, I don't #include them directly... |
| 17:03.20 | ste | mart_k: ah, damn, it's due to gcc4... |
| 17:03.34 | ste | mart_k: using gcc-3.4 compiles fine. |
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| 17:04.57 | ste | mart_k: kamix works back, thanks :) |
| 17:05.17 | mart_k | ste: Ok. np. |
| 17:05.33 | PhilRod | KDB9000, yeah, you'll have to do that on a per-app basis, pretty much |
| 17:05.34 | PhilRod | food, bbl |
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| 17:05.50 | WorkRoey | hi |
| 17:05.55 | WorkRoey | how are yall. |
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| 17:08.13 | WorkRoey | listen I have a question... I'm using kde 3.4.2, and I set Keyboard Layout->XKB Options->Misc. Compatibility Options->Shift with numpad keys works as in MS Windows. |
| 17:08.18 | WorkRoey | yet |
| 17:08.25 | WorkRoey | after I hit 'apply' |
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| 17:08.31 | WorkRoey | there's no difference in behavior |
| 17:08.36 | WorkRoey | esp. because elcuco did it |
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| 17:08.45 | WorkRoey | hehe |
| 17:08.48 | WorkRoey | elcuco: hi |
| 17:08.49 | elcuco | :) |
| 17:08.49 | WorkRoey | :) |
| 17:08.56 | WorkRoey | elcuco: so I have this weird problem: |
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| 17:09.04 | WorkRoey | I'm using kde 3.4.2, and I set Keyboard Layout->XKB Options->Misc. Compatibility Options->Shift with numpad keys works as in MS Windows |
| 17:09.07 | elcuco | cant i open konversation without me seeing me nick? :) |
| 17:09.18 | elcuco | WorkRoey: kk |
| 17:09.27 | WorkRoey | and then I hit Apply |
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| 17:09.51 | WorkRoey | and then I move up to another menu category, say, from Keyboard Layout to KHotKeys |
| 17:10.03 | WorkRoey | when I move back to Keyboard Layout, |
| 17:10.12 | WorkRoey | the option that I had set is set back to '[ ]' |
| 17:10.14 | WorkRoey | !!!! |
| 17:10.17 | WorkRoey | wtf is wrong here!!! |
| 17:10.31 | elcuco | file a bug report... |
| 17:10.34 | WorkRoey | ok |
| 17:11.19 | elcuco | WorkRoey: seen http://iglu.org.il/~diego/kde/keyboard2.html ? |
| 17:14.15 | WorkRoey | ×ś× |
| 17:14.18 | WorkRoey | ×ś× ×¨×יתי |
| 17:14.19 | WorkRoey | doh |
| 17:14.25 | pinotree | ¬.¬ |
| 17:14.25 | WorkRoey | * no, I did not see it |
| 17:14.26 | WorkRoey | thanks |
| 17:14.35 | pinotree | WorkRoey: i saw it |
| 17:14.50 | pinotree | but i don't understan the hebrew language :D |
| 17:16.10 | WorkRoey | heh |
| 17:16.42 | WorkRoey | what language is 'gran' from (in titles like 'gran tourismo' or Viewtiful Joe's "Gran Bruce") ? |
| 17:16.45 | WorkRoey | French? |
| 17:16.58 | WorkRoey | Gran this, gran that.. I see this 'gran' everywhere now. |
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| 17:18.57 | baafie | I'm attempting to build from the 3.5 branch, but I get this error: "windowdef_list_widget_ui.cpp:23:34: error: khotkeys::khlistview.h: No such file or directory". Does this look familiar to anyone? |
| 17:19.30 | baafie | (My distro is Linux From Scratch, by the way) |
| 17:19.43 | baafie | Oh, I'm building kdebase. |
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| 17:23.38 | WorkRoey | pinotree, elcuco: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112752 |
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| 17:24.28 | WorkRoey | *afraid of |
| 17:24.30 | WorkRoey | not from |
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| 17:24.34 | WorkRoey | in hebrew from, in english of |
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| 17:39.48 | PhilRod | KDB9000, what root password box? |
| 17:40.17 | KDB9000 | PhilRod, when you have to open something that needs a root password. |
| 17:41.09 | PhilRod | hrm, well that's part of kde (IIUC) |
| 17:41.15 | tombs | I need a little help please...I'm running kde 3.3.2 under debian sarge , but I see that there is no shutdown/rebbot option on the logout. How could I set those options there? |
| 17:41.32 | tombs | *reboot |
| 17:41.33 | pinotree | tombs: are you usig gdm? |
| 17:41.43 | tombs | pinotree, yes |
| 17:41.46 | PhilRod | tombs, you need to use kdm to get those |
| 17:41.50 | pinotree | sorry, you can't |
| 17:42.01 | pinotree | PhilRod: ... or the work my brother is doing |
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| 17:43.19 | tombs | theres no way to do that? I mean, if I switch to kdm, than I loose those options on gnome(I guess) |
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| 17:44.32 | mendred | tombs: yup |
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| 17:48.51 | tombs | pinotree, and what about upgrade it to 3.4 is it difficult to do? |
| 17:49.19 | pinotree | well, about the gdm support for shutdown/reboot, it's the same |
| 17:50.07 | tombs | no no, forget about that, I'm only asking about the upgrade, because I never did that |
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| 17:51.25 | KDB9000 | pinotree hey, still having trouble |
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| 17:58.55 | TURKEY_047 | aaaaa |
| 17:59.02 | pinotree | bbbbb |
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| 17:59.19 | pinotree | sorry KDB9000, i was talking with parents |
| 17:59.25 | TURKEY_047 | :)) |
| 17:59.27 | TURKEY_047 | HEllo |
| 17:59.29 | TURKEY_047 | Merhaba |
| 17:59.31 | TURKEY_047 | KÝmse Yok mu:) |
| 17:59.37 | pinotree | hello |
| 17:59.39 | pinotree | ciao :) |
| 17:59.42 | KDB9000 | pinotree, it is ok. |
| 17:59.46 | TURKEY_047 | :) |
| 17:59.52 | TURKEY_047 | TurkeY |
| 17:59.53 | TURKEY_047 | :) |
| 17:59.57 | pinotree | ItalY |
| 18:00.03 | TURKEY_047 | galaxy BettinG Playin My |
| 18:00.04 | TURKEY_047 | :) |
| 18:00.08 | TURKEY_047 | Yah |
| 18:00.24 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: ^^^ |
| 18:00.44 | pinotree | oGALAXYo: sorry, wrong ping :P |
| 18:00.53 | TURKEY_047 | :) |
| 18:01.03 | *** mode/#kde [+o PhilRod] by ChanServ |
| 18:01.14 | TURKEY_047 | <pinotree> |
| 18:01.22 | TURKEY_047 | You msn ? |
| 18:01.24 | PhilRod | TURKEY_047, on topic or shut up, please |
| 18:01.34 | TURKEY_047 | ok |
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| 18:03.39 | emagoct | hi, Alt + Right Mouse Button resizes windows |
| 18:04.02 | emagoct | but I have a 3D app that needs that combination for other actions |
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| 18:04.19 | emagoct | how can I free those hotkeys? |
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| 18:05.47 | PhilRod | emagoct, control center, um desktop -> window behavioiur, I think |
| 18:06.23 | emagoct | sure, but that's for buttons actions, right, but not for combination of hotkeys |
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| 18:07.16 | emagoct | Control Center doesn't seem to set the buttons combinations, only the keyboard keys |
| 18:07.41 | PhilRod | I'm just reinstalling my other system, so I can't check right at the moment, sorry |
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| 18:08.15 | loren | does anyone know of anything like Kpanel for Windows? |
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| 18:11.03 | loren | hmmh, guess not |
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| 18:15.56 | jamesots | Hi, is there any place I can find out who maintains which bits of kde? |
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| 18:19.54 | pinotree | jamesots: i guess it's easier look for the maintainers of the bits you need |
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| 18:23.49 | Flendor | Hello. |
| 18:24.00 | pinotree | hello Flendor, how's life? =) |
| 18:24.07 | jkt| | hi, is i18n.kde.org down or is it just me? |
| 18:24.17 | Flendor | Hey there pinotree! Life's splendid :) And how are you? |
| 18:24.26 | pinotree | fine too, thanks :) |
| 18:24.50 | Flendor | I think I'm going to give Ubuntu a go when 5.10 is released, I'm impressed by the "Preview Live" CD.. |
| 18:25.15 | Flendor | Will need to find a way to get KDE in though :) |
| 18:25.21 | spiral | Flendor: yeah, I use it already and I find it quite nice... |
| 18:25.27 | spiral | Flendor: use kubuntu |
| 18:25.40 | spiral | Flendor: it's the same one but with kde instead of gnome |
| 18:26.03 | Flendor | spiral - Yup, I heard about that; the basic stuff will be the same, right? Also, could I get Ubuntu and install KDE? |
| 18:26.25 | spiral | Flendor: yes : ubuntu + apt-get install kubuntu-desktop & that's it |
| 18:26.39 | spiral | & the same also works with kubuntu + apt-get install gnome-desktop |
| 18:27.06 | Flendor | Sounds good.. I'm becoming lazy - from Slack to Debian, and now to Ubuntu :) |
| 18:27.16 | spiral | Flendor: lol |
| 18:27.28 | spiral | Flendor: I did a gentoo > debian > kubuntu transition |
| 18:28.02 | Flendor | I started with Redhat, then Mandrake, SuSE, some Turkish distros in between.. |
| 18:28.07 | Flendor | ..then Slack and Debian. |
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| 18:28.49 | emagoct | PhilRod, you are right! It is in the Inner Window, Titlebar & Frame Modifier key + right button |
| 18:28.54 | emagoct | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.58 | Flendor | I like Slack and Debian the most so far. (BTW I hope I didn't hijack the channel.. falling silent now.) |
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| 18:34.38 | Peaker | is there a way to "propagate" a maximal size demand from QWidgets upwards? In a way that will eventually limit how the top-level window is resizable? |
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| 18:35.11 | PhilRod | Peaker, you should try #kde-devel |
| 18:36.05 | Peaker | k thanks |
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| 19:06.16 | Orph|CEN | hey |
| 19:06.25 | Orph|CEN | i get error when i do startx |
| 19:06.49 | elijahlofgren | What distro do you have? |
| 19:06.57 | Orph|CEN | debian |
| 19:07.47 | Orph|CEN | i used apt-get install kde |
| 19:08.14 | Orph|CEN | and also apt-get update |
| 19:08.17 | elijahlofgren | Orph|CEN: You may want to try asking in #debian |
| 19:08.23 | Orph|CEN | ow ok |
| 19:10.24 | annma | or #debian-kde |
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| 19:12.19 | DrAxeman | I have a question about color themes. I'm trying out some "non-default" colors, but some apps like GAIM and firefox don't change. I have the "apply colors to non kde applications" box checked. Is there something I'm missing? |
| 19:13.16 | elijahlofgren | DrAxeman: What distro do you have? |
| 19:14.35 | DrAxeman | SuSE Prof 9.3 |
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| 19:15.20 | tmiller | Is this where I go to get help? |
| 19:15.24 | Tm_T | hmm, so you're saying GTK apps don't follow KDE settings? |
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| 19:16.46 | elijahlofgren | DrAxeman: You may want to check out GTK+2 Qt Theme Engine http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt |
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| 19:17.56 | PhilRod | tmiller, help with kde, yes |
| 19:18.09 | tmiller | Sweet. |
| 19:18.31 | BlackBsd | anyone have any idea on how to get the menu updating tool to find other kde programs, such as the koffice suite |
| 19:18.32 | *** mode/#kde [-o PhilRod] by PhilRod |
| 19:18.37 | tmiller | I'm having problems getting it installed on Debian 3.1 Sarge |
| 19:18.51 | PhilRod | BlackBsd, koffice should install itself in the menu |
| 19:18.51 | BlackBsd | i just installed koffice and the menu updating tool does not pick any of them up? |
| 19:18.58 | BlackBsd | it didnt |
| 19:19.02 | PhilRod | if it didn't, try running "kbuildsycoca" |
| 19:19.05 | annma | tmiller: #debian-kde will maybe be of more help |
| 19:19.19 | tmiller | okay, thanks. |
| 19:20.51 | elijahlofgren | DrAxeman: This looks like exactly what you are looking for: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=11614 |
| 19:21.18 | DrAxeman | Thanks! I'll look at that. |
| 19:21.26 | BlackBsd | PhilRod, running kbuildsycoca gives me a bunch of warnings.. WARNING: '/usr/share/applications/writer.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/x-doc' |
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| 19:22.04 | _rainer | moin |
| 19:22.18 | PhilRod | BlackBsd, harmless |
| 19:22.22 | PhilRod | hi _rainer |
| 19:22.32 | BlackBsd | yes but no new menu items display |
| 19:22.37 | _rainer | hi PhilRod |
| 19:23.10 | _rainer | talking english or german ??? |
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| 19:23.48 | PhilRod | _rainer, English here, german in #kde.de |
| 19:24.28 | _rainer | thanks, wanna leaving for the german channel |
| 19:24.39 | BlackBsd | is there any way to "reset" the menu and rerun the menu updating tool? |
| 19:26.01 | _rainer | ok, have a good time, bye bye |
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| 19:27.12 | BlackBsd | Can i remove a certain file and cause kbuildsycoca to start from the beginning. |
| 19:27.53 | annma | BlackBsd: what distro is this? |
| 19:27.57 | BlackBsd | gentoo |
| 19:28.04 | annma | weird that koffice does not appear |
| 19:28.13 | BlackBsd | i ran emerge koffice-meta |
| 19:28.21 | annma | I am not a gentoo user |
| 19:28.26 | BlackBsd | o |
| 19:28.27 | annma | so I don't know about emerge |
| 19:28.37 | annma | do koffice prog work? |
| 19:28.43 | BlackBsd | yes |
| 19:29.14 | BlackBsd | the new *-meta systems will allow me to build just kword or just kpresenter |
| 19:29.22 | annma | here I installed it recently form manual compilation and all was fine, all went into the K menu on make install |
| 19:29.34 | BlackBsd | the -meta says build all koffice stuff |
| 19:29.57 | annma | don't you have another user to check? |
| 19:30.01 | BlackBsd | yeah im starting to think this is a gentoo issue |
| 19:30.17 | annma | look in gentoo forums and try another user as well |
| 19:30.24 | BlackBsd | because if i build just koffice, without the -meta it builds ok |
| 19:30.38 | annma | oh my |
| 19:30.51 | annma | this is clearly a gentoo issue then |
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| 19:37.35 | pinotree | mdouhan: ping |
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| 19:38.30 | BlackBsd | how can i get kugar to start without having any kugar files |
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| 19:39.12 | annma | kugar designer |
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| 19:40.08 | DrAxeman | I downloaded and installed the widget for control center, not apps like GAIM use my KDE colors, but firefox is only half there. It's using my KDE font colors, but not he window colors.. |
| 19:40.11 | DrAxeman | Any ideas? |
| 19:40.30 | annma | DrAxeman: what widget? |
| 19:40.58 | DrAxeman | Maybe it's not a true "widget".. |
| 19:41.05 | annma | theme? |
| 19:41.14 | annma | what name? where is it? |
| 19:41.16 | DrAxeman | hang on... |
| 19:41.25 | chavo | DrAxeman, firefox is not really a gtk app either |
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| 19:42.10 | annma | the window colors however should be the kde ones |
| 19:42.16 | annma | if this is set in kcontrol |
| 19:43.32 | WorkRoey | hi |
| 19:43.54 | WorkRoey | I open a file on my Desktop by "Open With...->OpenOffice". Why does OO.o come up in german??? |
| 19:44.42 | annma | WorkRoey: because you installed the german interface/ |
| 19:44.51 | WorkRoey | hmm |
| 19:45.03 | annma | what diestro? |
| 19:45.05 | BlackBsd | annma: kugar designer does not work |
| 19:45.07 | WorkRoey | annma: I wish to only see English unless I explicitly say otherwise. |
| 19:45.20 | WorkRoey | annma: how can I fix it? |
| 19:45.31 | annma | WorkRoey: distro? |
| 19:45.42 | annma | BlackBsd: that was not the real name of the app |
| 19:45.46 | WorkRoey | annma: Debian/SID |
| 19:45.59 | annma | WorkRoey: ask in #debian-kde |
| 19:46.09 | annma | in mandriva you have to install the correct one |
| 19:46.22 | BlackBsd | ok, i dont have any kugar files yet so.. how can i get it to open up so i can create one? |
| 19:46.25 | annma | WorkRoey: look at the ame of the oo package |
| 19:46.39 | annma | BlackBsd: moment! there is a kugar designer' |
| 19:46.53 | annma | I'm looking for its name as you don't have the K menu |
| 19:47.03 | annma | kudesigner |
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| 19:47.17 | BlackBsd | im trying to manually add them :-), thanx |
| 19:47.19 | annma | alt+f2 and kudesigner, BlackBsd |
| 19:47.32 | annma | BlackBsd: did you try a new user? |
| 19:47.34 | uludag | slm millet |
| 19:47.59 | BlackBsd | try a new user?? |
| 19:48.10 | annma | for your K menu |
| 19:48.24 | annma | to see if it's your config that is messed or your install |
| 19:48.26 | BlackBsd | u mean loggin as a different user? |
| 19:48.29 | annma | yes |
| 19:48.42 | annma | if you have nne, create a new one |
| 19:48.47 | annma | nne/none |
| 19:48.55 | BlackBsd | i can log in a root |
| 19:48.59 | WorkRoey | annma: ok |
| 19:49.07 | WorkRoey | annma: when I start oo.o from the cmd line it starts in english. |
| 19:49.10 | BlackBsd | ill be back in a min. |
| 19:49.14 | annma | WorkRoey: what's the name of the deb? |
| 19:49.25 | annma | do you have several oo deb then? |
| 19:49.25 | uludag | turkçe bilen varmı ? |
| 19:49.34 | annma | uludag: english here please |
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| 19:49.40 | WorkRoey | ii openoffice.org 1.1.4-7 high-quality office productivity suite |
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| 19:53.22 | eguzkia | hi |
| 19:53.38 | eguzkia | someone know why i see only one user in the kdm? |
| 19:53.53 | WorkRoey | hmm. does anyone know what's up with kde.openoffice.org? when can we expect to see OpenOffice supporting KIOSlaves ? |
| 19:53.59 | annma | did you look at kdm configuration in kcontrol? |
| 19:54.20 | annma | WorkRoey: how come, ioslave? |
| 19:54.25 | WorkRoey | annma: kioslave? |
| 19:54.32 | WorkRoey | annma: because I want to open a file with smb:// |
| 19:54.34 | annma | for what? |
| 19:54.42 | WorkRoey | for opening a file on my corporate share drive |
| 19:54.49 | WorkRoey | or for opening a file on my home machine through fish:// |
| 19:54.59 | annma | a oo file you mean? |
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| 19:55.03 | WorkRoey | right. |
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| 19:55.14 | annma | eguzkia: did you look in KControl in kdm configuration? |
| 19:55.18 | annma | BlackBsd: so? |
| 19:55.20 | _mendred | WorkRoey:use smb4k to mount smb shares as dirs then u can open it oo |
| 19:55.44 | PhilRod | WorkRoey, jan holoevsky (sp?) is working on something similar - google for his blog for many progress report |
| 19:55.44 | WorkRoey | _mendred: right that's one solution... but it's ugly and synchronous |
| 19:55.48 | PhilRod | +=s |
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| 19:55.55 | _mendred | ya i know |
| 19:55.57 | WorkRoey | PhilRod: kde.openoffice.org should have everything I thought |
| 19:56.00 | WorkRoey | PhilRod: hey hey |
| 19:56.09 | WorkRoey | _mendred: see, I was using that solution for some time |
| 19:56.13 | BlackBsd | ok for some reson, the root user, which i never use has all the menu items and also has the startup kde sounds that i want. |
| 19:56.16 | WorkRoey | _mendred: it makes a lot of things easier |
| 19:56.16 | eguzkia | annma: sorry |
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| 19:56.20 | BlackBsd | so it must of worked |
| 19:56.25 | eguzkia | annma: no |
| 19:56.42 | WorkRoey | _mendred: _but_ if an attacker hacks my box... it'll be all that much easier for them to attack the corporate share |
| 19:56.46 | annma | BlackBsd: hmmm try a brand new user |
| 19:56.52 | _mendred | workroey: true |
| 19:56.59 | PhilRod | BlackBsd, something probably broke ~/.local or ~/.config. Try renaming (*not* deleting) those two and restarting KDE (as your normal user) |
| 19:57.07 | _mendred | workroey: oo2 beta 1 was using the kde dialog |
| 19:57.08 | goron | KWord does not open MS word with pictures. Would it be an idea to display a large warning "Hey dude we don't support this very good, use openoffice instead(since that does work for these documents)". |
| 19:57.13 | BlackBsd | ok |
| 19:57.14 | annma | PhilRod: or a permission problem? |
| 19:57.20 | WorkRoey | _mendred: oh, really??? wow |
| 19:57.21 | WorkRoey | :) |
| 19:57.24 | _mendred | workroey: oo2 beta 2 stopped for some reason |
| 19:57.33 | WorkRoey | _mendred: I wonder when this oo2 will be released then |
| 19:57.50 | _mendred | workroey: this is in kubuntu |
| 19:57.55 | WorkRoey | oh, ok. |
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| 19:58.38 | BlackBsd | PhilRod: i have a ~/.local but its a directory and i dont have a ~/.config |
| 19:58.40 | eguzkia | annma:i'm looking for......... |
| 19:59.09 | PhilRod | BlackBsd, just rename ~/.local then |
| 19:59.20 | PhilRod | (it is always a directory) |
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| 19:59.33 | BlackBsd | ok let me try. |
| 19:59.47 | annma | eguzkia: kcontrol -> System administration -> login manager |
| 20:00.00 | eguzkia | annma: ok |
| 20:00.07 | kenshi | "opengl.cpp:280: error: invalid conversion from `int' to `GLenum'" i get that error for many lines in that source file. does anyone know the fix? |
| 20:00.11 | annma | as root then, eguzkia |
| 20:00.35 | annma | kendrick: what are you building? |
| 20:00.42 | PhilRod | kenshi, what source? how are you compiling? more importantly, *what* are you compiling? |
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| 20:01.02 | kenshi | kdebase3 in freebsd ports. |
| 20:01.03 | eguzkia | annma: yes |
| 20:01.27 | annma | kendrick: there's a freebsd-kde channel |
| 20:01.31 | BlackBsd | renaming .local didnt seem to do anything |
| 20:01.31 | eguzkia | annma: and now? |
| 20:01.32 | PhilRod | #kde-freebsd |
| 20:01.40 | annma | not sure if it's kde-freebsd or freebsd-kde |
| 20:01.54 | annma | eguzkia: so are all users enabled? |
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| 20:02.03 | kenshi | ah. awesome. i didn't find it searching for it last night. |
| 20:02.15 | annma | eguzkia: look around in the settings |
| 20:02.26 | PhilRod | BlackBsd, you'll have to ask in #kde-gentoo then |
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| 20:02.41 | annma | BlackBsd: and try a new user! |
| 20:02.44 | eguzkia | annma: the problem is that when kdm appear i can't see root user |
| 20:02.44 | BlackBsd | thanx, i didnt know that was even a channel |
| 20:02.55 | annma | if the new user faiuls it's a global permission problems surely |
| 20:03.21 | BlackBsd | annma, it works for the root user.. |
| 20:03.31 | annma | BlackBsd: a NEW normal user |
| 20:03.37 | BlackBsd | ok |
| 20:03.46 | annma | and then you'll know that it is a permisision problem |
| 20:04.00 | annma | in gentoo I was told you do everything as root |
| 20:04.20 | BlackBsd | wow, i dont agree with that. |
| 20:04.29 | BlackBsd | i use sudo alot |
| 20:04.30 | annma | well good for you |
| 20:04.31 | BlackBsd | thought |
| 20:04.46 | annma | but try as I said otherwise you will be trying things for nothing |
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| 20:05.11 | PhilRod | annma, it's lindows (or whatever it's called now) that uses root for everything, I think |
| 20:05.15 | annma | eguzkia: look in the users tab |
| 20:05.20 | BlackBsd | ok i made another user, ill be back. |
| 20:05.20 | annma | root is probably hidden |
| 20:05.22 | annma | uncheck it |
| 20:05.49 | annma | PhilRod: well I was told taht in gentoo they also use root for doing everything |
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| 20:06.04 | annma | in fact we had quite a few gentoo users logging on irc as root |
| 20:06.17 | eguzkia | annma: ok done |
| 20:06.25 | annma | eguzkia: now apply |
| 20:06.25 | eguzkia | annma: what i have to do? |
| 20:06.37 | annma | and log out |
| 20:06.46 | annma | but logging as root is not smart, eguzkia |
| 20:06.53 | frb-work | did you haxq0r them all? |
| 20:06.55 | eguzkia | annma: yes i know |
| 20:07.06 | annma | in your kdm now you'll have root |
| 20:07.12 | eguzkia | annma: but i don't understand what i have to do in user tab! |
| 20:07.23 | annma | oh |
| 20:07.28 | frb-work | console is only useful for fixing X, root is only useful for yast and mount :) |
| 20:07.38 | annma | eguzkia: there's a list of hidden users |
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| 20:07.47 | annma | eguzkia: are you using kde in english? |
| 20:08.13 | eguzkia | annma: italian but i can understand |
| 20:08.21 | eguzkia | annma: i hope |
| 20:08.26 | eguzkia | annma: :) |
| 20:08.27 | annma | so in the middle there's a list of hidden users |
| 20:08.34 | annma | root is at bottom, it is checked |
| 20:08.39 | annma | with x before it |
| 20:08.51 | annma | uncheck that box |
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| 20:09.34 | frb-work | PhilRod: oh, Konsole is really useful |
| 20:09.37 | annma | eguzkia: do you understand? |
| 20:09.48 | annma | eguzkia: then click Apply button on bottom |
| 20:09.52 | frb-work | PhilRod: logging into tty1 instead of KDM is silly |
| 20:10.00 | PhilRod | frb-work, ah, konsole vs console :-) |
| 20:10.15 | eguzkia | annma: ok |
| 20:10.20 | eguzkia | annma: done |
| 20:10.28 | frb-work | I'm a shell expert, not quite guru anymore.... |
| 20:10.34 | eguzkia | annma: i have only to click Apply? |
| 20:10.41 | eguzkia | annma: ok |
| 20:10.42 | annma | and OK after if you want |
| 20:11.19 | annma | I have to go |
| 20:11.25 | annma | good luck to everyone |
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| 20:24.06 | DrAxeman | Sorry, I got stuck on a con call in the other room. |
| 20:24.45 | DrAxeman | The "widget" addon to control center that makes gtk apps use kde setting is at: http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt |
| 20:25.42 | DrAxeman | chavo - you mentioned that firefox is not a gtk app. How do I get it to use my KDE colors? It uses my kde font colors on the window, but not the window color itself. |
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| 20:43.54 | netsurf3 | hey i have just got kradio to work with my soundcard only snag is that the power and quit do not turn off the radio |
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| 20:44.51 | netsurf3 | hello? |
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| 20:53.13 | aynjell | Anyone here? |
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| 20:53.39 | aynjell | How do I change how long the menus delay? I need like 2 or 300 milliseconds I'm thinking, but I can't find where to change it. |
| 20:54.02 | netsurf3 | i am here but dont know |
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| 20:55.51 | aynjell | Does anyone here know? |
| 20:56.11 | frb-work | I'm a newb |
| 20:56.17 | aynjell | :-P |
| 20:56.31 | frb-work | I could tell you how to recursively replace strings in a directory via posix compliant shell script |
| 20:56.43 | frb-work | but for kde settings, I'm a newb |
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| 20:56.54 | aynjell | frb-work: yeah, I'm new to kde again. |
| 20:57.42 | netsurf3 | lol not for kradio i cant get sound to shutoff |
| 20:57.54 | netsurf3 | ack |
| 20:58.00 | netsurf3 | why wont it stfu |
| 20:58.13 | netsurf3 | it is bbc radio 3 :( |
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| 21:00.30 | _carlos | hola |
| 21:00.38 | netsurf3 | hey |
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| 21:09.00 | madman91 | how would i start kde from no gui mode of linux? |
| 21:09.07 | netsurf3 | any idea how to make kradio turn off radio correctly? |
| 21:09.34 | netsurf3 | madman91 kdm? or just kde |
| 21:10.59 | HuntsMan | madman91: setup ~/.xinitrc with just "exec startkde", then startx will start X11 and KDE |
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| 21:13.09 | speng6 | hello, is this thing working? |
| 21:13.28 | madman91 | what is kdm? |
| 21:13.50 | madman91 | HuntsMan: wheres the .xinitrc |
| 21:13.58 | HuntsMan | madman91: in your home |
| 21:14.04 | madman91 | alright |
| 21:14.07 | madman91 | thanks |
| 21:14.24 | madman91 | so in console i would type "exec startkde" ? |
| 21:14.29 | HuntsMan | no |
| 21:14.33 | HuntsMan | put that in .xinitrc |
| 21:14.41 | HuntsMan | and startx will start KDE |
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| 21:19.17 | narfnarf | hi |
| 21:19.23 | aynjell | Hi? |
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| 21:20.35 | narfnarf | when i try to start kde, it tells me 'could not read network connection list ~/.DCOPserver_debian__list.0 please make sure dcopserver is running' |
| 21:20.47 | narfnarf | i did, of course make sure dcop is running |
| 21:20.59 | narfnarf | also, login with every other user works as good as always |
| 21:21.14 | narfnarf | any hints on what might be wrong? |
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| 21:23.01 | netsurf3 | anyidea how to make kradio stop audio when it is exited or just piriod as once i start the "power on" it cannot be turned off |
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| 21:30.29 | Blissex | narfnarf: try to remove that file it should be recreated. |
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| 21:30.46 | Yulia | hi... |
| 21:30.56 | netsurf3 | ello |
| 21:31.21 | Yulia | i am having problems with font gui gtk. They are very small and with bad quality |
| 21:31.44 | narfnarf | Blissex: it's not there |
| 21:31.58 | benJIman | Yulia: are you using gtk-qt? |
| 21:31.58 | narfnarf | Blissex: i also tried removing everything in /tmp |
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| 21:32.53 | Yulia | benJIman, do not know. i am using glimmer gtk |
| 21:33.22 | Blissex | Yulia: not too clear. For example, which are you asking this in |
| 21:33.40 | Blissex | Yulia: not too clear. For example, which are you asking this in #KDE? Is this about GTK 1 or GTK 2? |
| 21:34.45 | Yulia | i asked it berfore in debian... |
| 21:34.51 | Yulia | with no help |
| 21:35.06 | Blissex | narfnarf: the DCOP server should open and hold the socket '~/.DCOPserver_$DISPLAY' (more or less). |
| 21:35.30 | Blissex | narfnarf: the other thing is that the path you give above looks a bit weird. |
| 21:35.47 | Blissex | Yulia: if you dont give details as to the context it is hard to help... |
| 21:36.01 | Blissex | Yulia: first, are you using GTK applications under KDE? |
| 21:36.24 | narfnarf | Blissex: i cut out the /home stuff to type less, yes |
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| 21:37.15 | narfnarf | Blissex: dunno about what it should open, i can only say there is no file :/ |
| 21:37.54 | Blissex | narfnarf: it is not the prefix. it is the suffix. My DCOP server socket looks like '~/.DCOPserver_leaf.example.com__0' |
| 21:38.48 | Blissex | Yulia: because if you are using GTK apps under KDE there is a KDE module that sets GTK fonts etc. to be the same as KDE ones. |
| 21:39.08 | Yulia | yes?? |
| 21:39.14 | narfnarf | Blissex: there is no ~/.D* |
| 21:39.23 | Yulia | which one, and how must do Blissex ? |
| 21:39.45 | Blissex | Yulia: the name is different on different distributions, do you use Debian? |
| 21:39.52 | Yulia | yes |
| 21:39.53 | Yulia | sid |
| 21:40.24 | Yulia | .kde/share/config/gtkrc:38: error: unexpected identifier `gtk-alternative-button-order', expected keyword - e.g. `style' |
| 21:40.30 | Yulia | when i run glimmer |
| 21:41.32 | Blissex | Yulia: odd... |
| 21:44.22 | Yulia | what do you mean? |
| 21:44.24 | Yulia | Blissex, |
| 21:45.36 | Blissex | Yulia: install the package 'gtk2-engines-gtk-qt' if not already installed. |
| 21:46.24 | Blissex | Yulia: then go to the Control Center, the 'Appearance & Themes' section has a 'GTK Styles and Fonts' subsection. |
| 21:47.01 | Blissex | Yulia: you can then click on the options to use your KDE style and fonts in GTK apps. |
| 21:47.49 | narfnarf | Blissex: no more ideas? |
| 21:48.30 | Yulia | Blissex, it is yet right- |
| 21:49.29 | Blissex | narfnarf: the key is that a socket with a name like the one I have given you _must_ exist for DCOP to work. |
| 21:49.47 | Blissex | narfnarf: so the idea is toi investigate why/whether it is/it is not created. |
| 21:49.57 | narfnarf | Blissex: ok. is there any way to trace why it would not create one of those? |
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| 21:51.34 | Blissex | narfnarf: IIRC the debug/verbosity level of KDE is configurable. You can also start with just an 'xterm' and 'sh -x ..../startkde' and see what it does. |
| 21:52.02 | Blissex | narfnarf: also check your existing X sessionr errors log (probably '~/.xsession_err' or similar). |
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| 21:53.17 | Corn | I'm trying to use KDE without a mouse. How do you get the menu to come up? |
| 21:54.34 | narfnarf | Blissex: the xsession was the key |
| 21:54.41 | narfnarf | it was the ICE authority stuff |
| 21:54.47 | narfnarf | Blissex: thanks a _lot_ |
| 21:55.22 | Blissex | narfnarf: well, thanks for the appreciation.... |
| 21:56.16 | narfnarf | narfnarf: :) |
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| 22:01.58 | Yulia | anyone knows how to enable icon button right for say me if battery in full or no. Icon is but allways is empty! |
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| 22:22.41 | pipoun | hello anyone knows how to use taskbarv2 ? |
| 22:23.05 | frb-work | what do you mean? |
| 22:23.17 | pipoun | I enabled it, but it's not transparent |
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| 22:23.45 | pipoun | I choose this applet, removed taskbar but nothing changed |
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| 22:24.50 | frb-work | is your panel transparent? |
| 22:24.57 | pipoun | no :/ |
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| 22:34.12 | ataxic | pipoun: features: |
| 22:34.12 | ataxic | o flat and transparent (if kicker is transparent) |
| 22:34.21 | ataxic | its on kde-look.org |
| 22:34.37 | ataxic | as feature |
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| 22:43.35 | moox | Hi ! KDE 4 is yet in developement ? |
| 22:45.46 | chavo | moox: yes |
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| 22:46.24 | knoppix | moin |
| 22:46.26 | moox | chavo, Is there many graphics changes in kde4 ? |
| 22:46.36 | knoppix | need help |
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| 22:50.05 | Wa0 | does anyone know what version of autoconf is required to install kde 3.5_alpha1? |
| 22:52.56 | pinotree | autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.59 |
| 22:53.00 | pinotree | Written by David J. MacKenzie and Akim Demaille. |
| 22:53.00 | pinotree | Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 22:53.00 | pinotree | This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO |
| 22:53.00 | pinotree | warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. |
| 22:53.05 | pinotree | Wa0: ^^^ this is mine |
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| 22:54.47 | chavo | Wa0: I believe 2.52 is required |
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| 22:56.13 | Wa0 | thanks chavo |
| 22:56.19 | Wa0 | and pinotree |
| 22:56.27 | pinotree | np |
| 22:56.28 | chavo | no problem |
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| 22:57.04 | knoppix | good morning |
| 22:57.12 | Wa0 | any info on when the beta of kde is comming out?? |
| 22:57.44 | Wa0 | it says that commits are frozen and they are testing it right now, but what is the date |
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| 22:57.48 | knoppix | i'm new linux user and nned help |
| 22:58.02 | chavo | Wa0: soon |
| 22:58.16 | Wa0 | so a couple of days?? |
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| 22:58.42 | pinotree | Wa0: yeah, probably |
| 22:58.51 | Wa0 | great, cannt wait. |
| 22:58.58 | pinotree | Wa0: i'd wait for monday |
| 22:59.04 | thechris | knoppix_: step 1. ask question. |
| 22:59.48 | knoppix_ | ok |
| 23:01.02 | knoppix_ | how can i activate my mouse. i'm running 2.6.12 kernel system notebook 2.6GHz ATI |
| 23:01.18 | grepper | mouse it |
| 23:01.31 | grepper | bbiab |
| 23:01.38 | chavo | coffee!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:01.41 | thechris | knoppix_: what distro? |
| 23:01.59 | knoppix_ | how can i find out distro? |
| 23:02.12 | grivell | knoppix_: Is it Knoppix ;) |
| 23:02.15 | grepper | I was going to say "move it" but it was a bad enough joke without the typo |
| 23:02.37 | thechris | hmm. |
| 23:02.57 | knoppix_ | @grivell: yes, i'm a newcomer in the world of linux |
| 23:03.37 | chavo | it's probably knoppix |
| 23:03.39 | thechris | it should autodetect the mouse |
| 23:03.48 | thechris | usb mouse? |
| 23:04.41 | knoppix_ | yes |
| 23:05.07 | thechris | type-- lsmod | grep ohci |
| 23:05.16 | thechris | type-- lsmod | grep uhci |
| 23:05.26 | thechris | one or both should give something |
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| 23:06.29 | thechris | oh, type those in a konsole |
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| 23:06.34 | knoppix_ | root konsole? |
| 23:07.07 | thechris | sure |
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| 23:08.26 | knoppix_ | how i'm doing the sign after ismod= |
| 23:08.58 | grivell | It is the pipe. shift key and \ |
| 23:09.08 | thechris | LSMOD (lowercase!) |
| 23:09.25 | grivell | And that too :-D |
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| 23:10.03 | thechris | pipe | = sends output of the command on the left to the input of the command on the right |
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| 23:13.06 | knoppix_ | | |
| 23:13.12 | knoppix_ | found it |
| 23:13.23 | knoppix_ | again |
| 23:13.34 | thechris | knoppix_: what of ohci or uhci? |
| 23:13.43 | knoppix_ | it's hard to navigate with keyboard |
| 23:15.16 | knoppix_ | again with the command |
| 23:15.48 | thechris | lsmod | grep ohci |
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| 23:15.54 | thechris | lsmod | grep uhci |
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| 23:16.12 | thechris | i guess: lsmod | grep hci |
| 23:17.08 | knoppix_ | konsole show: ismod command not found |
| 23:17.28 | benJIman | knoppix_: lsmod not ismod |
| 23:18.39 | knoppix_ | Ismod command not found |
| 23:19.12 | chavo | try /sbin/lsmod |
| 23:19.26 | chavo | sbin probably not in your path |
| 23:19.38 | thechris | lsmod shouldn't be in sbin |
| 23:19.49 | thechris | oh, i guess it is |
| 23:19.53 | knoppix_ | not found |
| 23:20.09 | thechris | well then try: |
| 23:20.14 | thechris | modprobe ohci |
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| 23:20.38 | knoppix_ | module not found |
| 23:21.28 | swaps_space | are you typing Ismod with a capital i or lsmod with l as in leg |
| 23:22.03 | knoppix_ | I now that there is a different in Linux between lower and upper case |
| 23:22.27 | thechris | can you: cat /dev/psaux (PRESS CTRL+C TO STOP THE COMMAND) |
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| 23:22.45 | thechris | oh move the mouse when you run the cat command |
| 23:22.52 | benJIman | knoppix_: not I |
| 23:22.55 | benJIman | knoppix_: l |
| 23:23.31 | benJIman | or just copy and paste the command |
| 23:23.31 | thechris | sweet. gotta love sans-serif |
| 23:23.37 | thechris | l I | |
| 23:23.57 | thechris | different and yet visually similar... |
| 23:24.02 | knoppix_ | it takes time bult i got it L lower cSER |
| 23:24.05 | benJIman | then there's modern vs modem |
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| 23:24.41 | thechris | i may switch back to serif |
| 23:24.44 | pinotree | 'lo annma |
| 23:24.50 | knoppix_ | which info do you need from modprob |
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| 23:26.14 | knoppix_ | i'm total confused |
| 23:26.16 | thechris | i just wanted to see if knoppix (the distribution of linux) loaded the ohci module |
| 23:26.29 | thechris | which is used for USB on some mobos like NF mobo |
| 23:26.35 | annma | hi pinotree |
| 23:26.47 | thechris | uhci is use on other mobos. |
| 23:27.43 | knoppix_ | got it |
| 23:27.46 | knoppix_ | wait |
| 23:27.53 | knoppix_ | ohci1394 |
| 23:28.02 | knoppix_ | ieee1394 |
| 23:28.10 | knoppix_ | ohci_hce |
| 23:28.16 | knoppix_ | usbcore |
| 23:28.50 | knoppix_ | knoppix 2.78 |
| 23:28.57 | knoppix_ | thats all |
| 23:29.12 | knoppix_ | delete ohci_hce |
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| 23:29.24 | knoppix_ | set ohci_hcd |
| 23:29.41 | *** part/#kde kwwii (n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk) |
| 23:30.20 | knoppix_ | done |
| 23:31.40 | knoppix_ | some ideas? |
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| 23:43.12 | _knoppix | ok, try again to help me, i think you are experts |
| 23:43.53 | _knoppix | please |
| 23:44.11 | annma | we are experts in kde, yes |
| 23:44.19 | annma | is it a kde question? |
| 23:44.30 | annma | I did nto see what you asked |
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| 23:44.56 | _knoppix | i can't use my mouse |
| 23:45.08 | _knoppix | 2.6.12 kernel |
| 23:45.17 | _knoppix | knoppix 4.0 |
| 23:48.24 | kicken | Question: Konqueror tells me that it cannot execut the ssh process when I try to load up a sftp:// url as a normal user. Works ok when I attempt it as root. Any idea why? |
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| 23:49.40 | annma | _knoppix: ask in your distro channel |
| 23:49.56 | annma | kicken: looks like a permission problem |
| 23:50.06 | annma | kicken: distro? |
| 23:50.12 | annma | any other problem? |
| 23:50.36 | _knoppix | how do i do this? |
| 23:50.48 | annma | what is your distro? |
| 23:51.06 | annma | if it's knoppix then go to #knoppix |
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| 23:51.15 | kicken | annma, base system is ubuntu, but I compiled X/kde from source myself. |
| 23:51.29 | annma | kicken: as root? |
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| 23:52.43 | kicken | compiled it as the normal user, then su'ed to do make install. |
| 23:53.07 | _knoppix | i do not know what u mean |
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| 23:54.04 | kicken | fwiw, ssh works on it's own as a normal user. |
| 23:54.09 | swaps_space | try fish://url |
| 23:54.35 | annma | _knoppix: if the mouse does nt work that's not a kde problem |
| 23:54.47 | annma | so it's better to ask in your distribution channel |
| 23:55.13 | annma | if you don't know what a channel is, read your IRC client manual |
| 23:57.28 | kicken | Any way to get konqueror to dump more debug info about what it's doing behind the scenes? like the command it's trying to exec and such? |
| 23:57.52 | knoppix_ | A |
| 23:59.16 | swaps_space | did you try fish://url |
| 23:59.33 | swaps_space | afaik, its better to use it than sftp |
