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00:05.58rutski89akrill: so, we need a macro lense to get a good close up then? Check this out, http://www.kartonwork.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5139 the 4th immage down... about 100 of those can fit on your thumb nail; can a cosco camera do that?
00:06.23akrillno, a costco camera could never do that
00:06.55rutski89akrill: can a $300 dollar camera do that?
00:07.05akrillno
00:07.10rutski89akrill: give me a price range theN/
00:07.12rutski89?
00:07.29akrill...are you sure you realllly want me to?
00:07.36rutski89akrill: yes
00:08.50akrillok, well if you're wanting to get pics like that at FULL 5MP resolution, you'll want a very steady tripod ($50-100), a good body ($600-1200), some lighting ($100-200), and a superduper macro lens ($1000-4000)
00:09.47rutski89akrill: maybe if we save for a year :-p
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00:10.02akrillexactly. lol
00:10.33akrillhe'd need the tripod because that close to something yuo'll have to use a very slow shutter speed in order to get anything other than pitch black.
00:10.47akrilland at that slow, you cannot hold it steady enoug
00:10.51akrill*enough
00:11.29rutski89If i have 3x digital zoom and 4x optical, does that come to 15x total?
00:11.44rutski89akrill: heeh, I think we are going to go for a family camera
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00:11.56akrill12x
00:12.00akrilland digital zoom sucks
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00:12.12akrillif you want a camera the family can use, get the Powershot S2 IS. its worth the extra $200
00:12.26akrillits 12x optical, 4x digital. 5MP. uses SD.
00:12.40rutski89yea
00:12.49rutski89it would be good for taking portrait pictures right
00:12.57akrillits a good all around camera
00:13.13rutski89i mean, my dad wants to zoom in a good bit on the image and get some detial about the fabric, a piece of jewerly etc... can the S2 IS do that?
00:13.26akrillits great for portraits, landscapes, you name it, it can do it... not as good as an SLR with a lens specifically for that purpose, but its great
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00:14.24apprenticesorry about that
00:14.27dzI'm running dual monitors without xinerama, and kde's session restore always starts programs that were running on :0.1 on :0.0... is there any fix or workaround for this (or is there something I'm missing?)
00:14.31akrilltis ok
00:14.51akrilldz: well, the smartass answer would be to before you log out, swap your windows over XP
00:15.09akrilldz: but um, in all seriousness, I don't know, I have no experience with dual monitor setups
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00:15.55dzalways end up having to exit the two programs and then restart them on the second display
00:16.15dzand the only bugs I found on it are with xinerama
00:16.21akrillhmmm.... so im guessing you're running two KDE desktops at once?
00:16.28akrilltwo separate instances?
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00:16.42dzakrill: well, two desktops but kdm does both at once
00:17.02dzit's one instance of xorg
00:17.08akrillhmm....
00:17.21akrilli really have no idea why it does that
00:18.40akrillsorry :-\
00:19.22SgepIs there an equivlent of KAppFinder that works with KDE programs?
00:20.14akrillKAppFinder should find KDE programs too... what specifcally are you trying to get it to find?
00:20.42SgepKMail
00:20.52akrillwhere is KDE installed?
00:20.59rutski89Sgep: hehe, kappfinder finds xeyes, it should find kmail i suppose ^^
00:21.20SgepKAppFinder looks for non-KDE applications
00:21.38akrillKAppFinder /should/ also find KDE apps that arent already listed
00:22.04SgepWhere are the .desktop files stored?
00:26.17akrilldepends, .desktop files for what? there are many places depending on what it is
00:27.13SgepFound it
00:27.21akrillok
00:27.34SgepIs there an easy way to unhide hidden KDE programs?
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00:28.30akrillnot that i know of
00:29.04jmspeexCan someone tell me how to make konqueror use double click instead of single click for opening files. It's probably simple, but I've gone through all the kcontrol options and didn't find it.
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00:29.19akrillits under konqueror's settings dialog
00:29.39akrillcant remember exactly where
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00:34.22rutski89akrill: yea, we're going to buy the Canon
00:34.36akrillthe Powershot S2 IS?
00:34.40rutski89akrill: yup
00:34.43akrillwoot
00:35.10rutski89akrill: I'll have to pitch in $200, but I really don't want my dad to waste $300 on a half way piece of junk :-p
00:35.20akrill-laughs- nice
00:35.46rutski89akrill: hehe; I'll use it for my website too. If i ever make it...
00:36.18rutski89akrill: maybe acutally having a server to put a site on will motivate me to finally get arround to it
00:36.23rutski89*around
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00:40.00jmspeexakrill: can't find it there...
00:40.34jmspeexAlso, the font for the file names is quite small. Can't find where to change that
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00:42.20Borg^QueenHey people
00:42.34rutski89Hey Borg^Queen
00:42.50Borg^QueenI'm trying to get kdm to use a specific style but the style doesn't show up in login manager.
00:42.55Borg^QueenHey rutski89
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00:44.02Borg^Queenthe style is in use by root but not listed
00:44.37Borg^QueenAnyone?
00:45.08thiagokdm has specific
00:45.11thiagoconfigs
00:45.20thiagodid you check the setting in the KDE Control Centre?
00:45.38Borg^QueenAye I did.
00:45.51Borg^QueenIts not listed there. Root is using that style so I know its installed
00:46.23Borg^QueenI'm using the login manager in Kcontrol to change it
00:46.32Borg^Queenbut as I said, the style isn't listed.
00:47.06nightmasterhello
00:47.14Borg^Queenhello
00:48.40nightmasterhow r u mr queen
00:49.07Borg^QueenDoing well except for a bothersome KDM problem
00:49.12Borg^QueenNothing important,
00:50.06Borg^QueenI can't get kdm to use a style I want
00:53.11Borg^QueenOoh I misspelled the style name. BRB
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00:58.06TMSis there any way to switch tabs in konsole without clicking them? the konsole help didnt mention any hotkeys
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01:02.27TMShm, apparently there are built in hotkeys for session 1-12
01:02.32TMSbut you have to assign them
01:03.44TMShm, apparently there are built in hotkeys for session 1-12, but they are unassigned. should be no problem then
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01:19.47Borg^QueenHey people I'm trying to get kdm use a specific them but the style isn't list in login manager. The style is in use by root. When I try to reinstall the style I get this
01:19.48Borg^QueenQPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used
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01:22.12lunitikI was thinking of something that would be cool for KDE4, and was wondering if it would even be possible...
01:23.14lunitikMany people complain about the menu's in apps like konqi, would it be possible to make resizable menu's (ala XP - especially Office) ... this would make the menu's more manageable, while still not losing any features...
01:23.53lunitikIs that possible to do with KDE4?
01:24.17Borg^Queenlunitik: that's a good idea you should propose it to the kde devel
01:24.24lunitiks/KDE4/Qt4
01:24.45lunitikBorg^Queen: Enhancement bug work?
01:24.47eisregenlunitik: *g* I hate those ... as long as it's optional it'd be ok =)
01:25.09derelmbtw, i noticed that in kubuntu you can chose what os to start next time when shutting down kde. is that a ubuntu extension or is that a normal 3.4.x feature?
01:25.14lunitikeisregen: I would hate more that the features end up in a gconf time thing...
01:25.31lunitiktype*
01:25.53thiagolunitik: resizeable?
01:25.56thiagowhatever for?
01:26.04thiagothey are exactly the size they are supposed to be
01:26.11thiagoif you enlarge, you'll have empty space
01:26.18thiagoif you shrink, you won't see everything
01:26.42Borg^QueenSee what?
01:27.34thiagowell, imagine you shrink the Settings menu to half its width
01:27.55thiagoyou'll have 5 "Configure " entries without the corresponding name
01:28.32lunitikthiago: a lot of people complain about the amount of options in the menu's of apps like Konqi... MSOffice only shows options that you use enless you expand the menu... would clean up the menu system a lot...
01:28.32eisregenthiago: he meant the stupid menus in MS Office / XP that only show the entrys that you don't need and you have to 'extend' by clicking an 'arrow down' item in the menu to get all entrys displayed ...
01:28.56thiagoah, that
01:28.59thiagomenu height
01:29.26Borg^QueenI think that's an annoying feature
01:29.30lunitikthiago: as eisregen stated, it would be good to allow this to be turned off... but should be on by default to ensure a cleaner interface
01:29.57thiagowell, I don't know if Qt4 can do that
01:30.04Borg^Queenlunitik: I guess it would be useful as an option
01:30.49mobteklunitik: that is the most annoying feature I office I know
01:30.57mobtekpisses me off no end :)
01:31.06eisregenmobtek: me too ...
01:31.08eisregen=)
01:31.17mobtekmeans I have to click twice ffs :)
01:31.22Borg^Queenmobtek! Where's my APP!
01:31.39mobtekhahah :)
01:31.50mobtekok I have schoolwork to do
01:31.59Borg^QueenHmm
01:32.08Borg^QueenYou don't want me to have a tantrum
01:32.44eisregenuhm ... in kde 3.2 or so there was a 'Recently opened with' context menu entry ... where has that gone ? *g*
01:33.12eisregen*in konqi of course
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01:46.25lunitikmobtek: As I said, it beats losing functionality, and is better than something like gconf making features less accessable... of course, it would be able to be turned off... but I really think it would get rid of a lot of critisms KDE (especially konqueror) receive...
01:48.37lunitikmobtek: As I said in my bug report, there should be a good default list of options in each menu... so most functionality that people use would be there by default, you would simply expand to do other less used options...
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01:49.50lunitikmobtek: KDE already puts a lot of things in the Configure (app) setup tools, that would of course be an option too (move some menu items into configuration dialogs)
01:50.04lunitik(which would add more clicks)
01:50.21lunitikCertainly, something must be done to stop such critism's though.
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01:55.36mobteklunitik: I'm sure the dev's welcome ideas
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02:01.38SgepIs there a program that shows me a list of all installed KDE programs and allows me to selectivly hide or show them in the K Menu?
02:02.56grepperkmenuedit
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02:03.05grepperr-click on Kmenu icon
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02:11.57thiagohello mathieu
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02:18.39sloth6are kde application shortcuts able to have custom enviornment variables??
02:24.31thiagoshortcuts?
02:24.36thiagowhat do you mean?
02:24.52thiagochange Ctrl+L to Ctrl+O if a variable is set?
02:27.23sloth6no I mean links
02:29.12sloth6.desktop files
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02:30.40Tm_laghi kids
02:31.39thiagosloth6: ah
02:31.47thiagosloth6: I still don't know what you mean
02:31.59thiagocan you elaborate?
02:32.05SgepIn KDE 3.4.0, how do I import a PasswordSafe 2.x file?
02:32.10sloth6oh I want to set variables for the executable u know like PATH and things
02:34.48sloth6only for that application from that link. there are many nice options but none let me set environment variables for executable that I see
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02:41.31YaPhi
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02:42.15YaP?
02:42.19sloth6yo
02:43.04YaPyo
02:43.13YaPI was looking for infos on pykde
02:43.17YaPcan you help me?
02:44.40YaP?
02:45.20RoeyYaP:  hi
02:45.23RoeyYaP:  I do pykde.
02:45.26RoeyYaP:  what's up
02:45.27mobtekhttp://www.xs4all.nl/~bsarempt/python/tutorial.html
02:45.38mobtekoops not that one hehe
02:45.58sloth6sure http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/python/index.html  ?
02:46.25YaPthanks
02:46.33YaPi'm learning python
02:47.17YaPand was wondering wether pykde was mature
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02:48.48YaPwe would like to do and application that could interact with kontact
02:49.51YaPlike adding contacts and event in the calendar
02:51.16YaPbut the links you gave will do for now  thank you
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03:15.33kkrizkakey guys
03:16.10kkrizkaany recomendation for prgram that I can use to retrieve video from my camcorder throguh firewire?
03:16.19kkrizkakde-apps seems to be down again, so I can't search
03:16.26elijahlofgrenI use kino
03:16.35kkrizkaI was thinking something kde specific
03:17.04illogic-althen... kino
03:17.11elijahlofgrenYou could use dvgrab but that's a console app, works great though.
03:17.21kkrizkakino is for gnome
03:17.48kkrizkaI think I'll wait for kde-apps to come back up
03:17.59kkrizkaI don't really want to guess when the video ends with console
03:18.54elijahlofgrenThe way my camera works it plays while it is capturing through firewire so I can see when the video ends.
03:18.57elijahlofgrenthen I can just Ctrl+C dvgrab and I have my movie.
03:19.08kkrizkaoh yeah, good point
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03:20.21illogic-alkkrizka: it begins with kkkk. go with it :-)
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03:21.15kkrizkaillogic-al: I know, I though it's kde too at first
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03:21.27kkrizkastupid naming, should rename it to gino
03:22.11elijahlofgrenKino is a really great program though, I used it today to capture and do some simple editing.
03:23.05kkrizkaI used it in gnome too, it's really good
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03:24.07elijahlofgrenI use in KDE, I don't have gnome installed, just the gnome-libs required for some programs.
03:24.20elijahlofgren*use it in
03:26.06kkrizkaI'll see of there are any apps for kde when kde-apps comes back again
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03:26.13kkrizkaif not, I'll get kino
03:26.21kkrizkaI though kdevline might do it, but it dosn't look like it
03:27.50elijahlofgrenI don't think kdenlive does it, I have it installed and I don't see and way to capture. You can import video that you captured with dvgrab though.
03:28.28kkrizkayup
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03:37.15sloth6does KDE 3.5 have embedded drag n drop read/write support for archives (bz2 etc) in Konqueror?
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03:49.23thiagosloth6: no
03:49.26thiagobut ark does
03:51.54grepperhm, akode errors in 3.5 kdemm/akode_artsplugin
03:54.01grepperhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/SUWpQ211.html
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04:03.16Zakihi
04:03.24Zakiis there any tweaks in kde to make it run faster?
04:04.50Dhraakellianyeah
04:04.54Dhraakellianturn off some of they eye-candy
04:05.15RoeyDhraakellian:  do you suppose...
04:05.43RoeyDhraakellian:  ...that it's time that we remove the super-secret calls to sleep() in the main KDE libs code?
04:05.44Dhraakellian(transparency in menus, animating various things like minimizing, menu-opening, window-moving, etc)
04:06.09DhraakellianRoey, woah... how did those stay in there?
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04:06.14RoeyDhraakellian:  then bump up the KDE version a notch and proclaim that KDE 4 is ten times faster than anything before?
04:06.18alexiusHi.
04:06.28sloth6Zaki: might try some of these http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Performance+Tips
04:06.37alexiusQ: How can I switch between my favourite FPS and my window manager ?
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04:09.53grepperoops, kdesupport should have been updated first
04:09.58sloth6alexius: you can start another X session and switch back and forth with ctrl-alt-f keys
04:10.31sloth6in case your fps doesnt do window mode
04:10.55alexiusit is cube
04:11.01alexiusit does window mode
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04:11.19dadhey, all
04:12.12alexiusbut all the input of the mouse and keyboard gets to the window, so i still have the same switching imposibility
04:12.16Ringwraith`hi ... dad?
04:12.24dadi'm looking for the most recent rev number of kdesdk-kmtrace
04:12.35dadRingwraith`: greets
04:13.51dadhaving trouble with a prog that's linked to what i think is a severly backrev libktrace
04:14.11Ringwraith`what is that prog doing that it shouldnt
04:14.35alexiussloth6, thanks for your tips
04:14.43sloth6is KDE 4 due out at the end of the year or perhaps  tentatively so?
04:15.20sloth6alexius: dont forget to check cube help on how to release the mouse in window mode
04:15.25Zakisloth6, thanks alot for the link, i'll read it and see if i can make my kde run faster ...
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04:20.14dadRingwraith`: i have a binary only server program that's linked to libktrace-gcc2.96 (rh 7.3) but debian doesn't have a library by that name, instead it's just libktrace
04:20.59Ringwraith`what is your gcc version
04:21.00Ringwraith`2.96?
04:21.03dadRingwraith`: and so, the server program bombs, (no such library
04:22.05Ringwraith`you might be able to get away by symlinking it
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04:22.14Ringwraith`it couldnt hurt to try
04:22.24dadtried that, no such luck
04:23.10Ringwraith`have used synaptic to search for it
04:23.23Ringwraith`providing that is in debian as well
04:23.38dadyes.
04:24.25Ringwraith`well look in the src repositiories and see if you see a version in there
04:24.35Ringwraith`is all i can suggest
04:25.04dadhere's the deal, libktrace-gcc2.96 was in a RH 7.3 package - quite old
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04:25.55Ringwraith`well that one lib could require other things from a rh 7.3 system in order to run
04:27.01dadso, i'm wondering whether this server (neverwinter nights linux standalone game server, by bioware) is worth running, especially since they built their binary on such an old OS
04:27.37Ringwraith`well they are asses
04:28.20dadthat's my thought as well
04:29.07Frost^well linux is not easy to support, is it
04:29.15dadto tell the truth, i probablly have a cd w/ the full redhat 7.3 system on it - i recall it was only 3 cd's
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04:29.37Ringwraith`Frost^,  no, maybe a few compile switches is not easy to support
04:30.06Frost^what do you mean?
04:30.09dadFrost^: it can be easy, or a pain in the
04:30.42Frost^I think the most successful ones at distributing anything for linux are nvidia
04:30.58dadFrost^: if you can automate common tasks, like backup, logging, etc...
04:31.03Ringwraith`yes because of their simple package manager
04:31.17dadoh
04:31.19Ringwraith`backup with amanda is a bitch
04:31.22Ringwraith`amanda is a bitch.
04:31.25Ringwraith`there i said it
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04:31.52dadummm who? what?
04:31.58Frost^drat
04:32.32Ringwraith`dad,  amanda is a decent backup system
04:32.57dadoh, duh
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04:42.49Zakianyone know where is the kde autostart folder is?
04:43.15Zakior simply what is the kde installation prefix in fedora?
04:44.37Ringwraith`probably all over the fucking place because its uhm... fedora.
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04:46.36dadRingwraith`: so, the question is, why on earth would bioware build against a backrev library, on a backrev system?
04:46.57Ringwraith`because it was a long time ago?
04:48.04dadRingwraith`:  i'm  looking into that, but seem to recall the newest version of their binary, the one i'm trying to run, is less than a year old
04:48.30Ringwraith`it is still possible the dev machines were still using that
04:48.45Ringwraith`they are a pain in the ass to update
04:49.12dadbut the previous version worked fine
04:49.18dadfuckers
04:49.43Ringwraith`see what the prev version was linked against
04:49.47Ringwraith`if you can
04:50.44dadi know it wasn't linked against libktrace-anything
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04:51.13Ringwraith`send them a hate letter
04:51.17Ringwraith`;p
04:51.39dadi'd like to ping-flood their servers
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04:52.16dadbut lack the anonymity to do it and stay outta jail
04:52.33dadso, i guess i'll just send hate mail
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04:54.23dadactually, i think i'll keep the older binary, and just patch it up to the curent version, that should work
04:55.11killhoundi didnt believe that this would be this dificult
04:55.20dadespecially since the patch is only scripts and data files
04:55.56killhoundsorry dad
04:56.53dadkillhound: it won't be that difficult - just fix the B0rk3d machine, and continue on - no real problem
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05:14.33Goosei <3 kde devs
05:14.48Goose<3 <3 <3
05:14.51Goose=)
05:15.05madpenguin8heh
05:15.48madpenguin8Goose: you seem a little excited
05:16.42Goosei was trying to do a simple fileshare with windows and gnome + xfce wasted so much of my time
05:16.48Goosethen konqueror did it in 2 mins
05:16.56Gooseso yes
05:16.58Goose=)
05:17.00Goose<3
05:17.02madpenguin8konq rocks
05:17.09Ringwraith`well it fucking konquered that task didnt it
05:17.18Gooselol =) yes!
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05:22.14alexiusHi. How do I start another xsession ?
05:22.36alexiusstartx /usr/bin/startkde -- :1           <--------- like this
05:22.38alexius?
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05:26.28fhd_hi, is there a native kde volume manager?
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05:41.12kkrizka>fhd_: kmix?
05:41.28Zakiwww.kde-look.org is not working?
05:41.29bluelightningkkrizka: I think maybe he is talking about LVM
05:41.38bluelightningand he's not here anymore
05:41.45kkrizkaoh lol
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07:27.06Nonsensecould anyone give a linux newbie a tip or two on resolving an unsatisfied dependency when trying to install KDE 3.4.2?  or is this the wrong channel for that kind of advice?
07:27.37aseigoNonsense: ask away
07:28.17Nonsensek..  I'm in mandrake, just trying to use 'urpmi kdebase'
07:28.51Nonsenseit says it needs libkdecore4-3.4.2....etc
07:29.04Nonsensebut when it tries to load that I get
07:29.39NonsenseSome Package requested cannot be installed:   "libkdecore4-3.4.2-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied libHalf.so.2"
07:30.14Nonsensethe problem is... I do have libHalf.so.2
07:30.37NonsenseI just don't exactly know what the 'unsatisfied' problem is
07:32.28Nonsenseis there a way to find out more info about why its 'unsatisfied'?
07:36.14PieDNonsense: that's not a KDE bug
07:36.20PieDthat's a mandrake problem
07:36.31PieDask on #mandriva
07:37.24Nonsenseroger that
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07:39.16FenixRFgreetings... I'm having some arts difficulties
07:39.34FenixRFeverything appears to be fine, except kde doesn't make noise
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07:40.58chodappFenixRF, gone into the mixer and set everything?
07:41.17FenixRFyeah... volume is all set
07:41.24FenixRFeverything looks hunky doory...
07:41.35FenixRF... but clicking test sound does nothing
07:41.40FenixRFnor checking any of the event driven sounds
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07:42.37FenixRFjuk shows it's playing, but there's no sound output
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07:43.06FenixRFI'm wondering if it's a dmix problem
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07:44.29FenixRFany ideas chodapp? :)
07:44.32FenixRFalsa works fine
07:44.33FenixRFhehe
07:44.50chodappdid everyone else just get something from hifriend?
07:44.56FenixRFya
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07:45.20FenixRFwhatever
07:45.52FenixRFfunny thing
07:45.58FenixRFit appears that arts is not running as a process
07:46.14FenixRFnevermind... forgot a switch in ps
07:46.26FenixRFemerge -uDav kdegraphics-meta kdenetwork-meta kdesdk-met
07:46.31FenixRFbut it looks like it isn't running
07:47.01FenixRFlet's try that again...
07:47.04FenixRF32070 ?        S      0:01 artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
07:47.06FenixRFthere we go
07:50.30sloth6la la la
07:51.24sloth6does KDE have an official song?
07:51.42PieDsloth6: you can already look at the qt4 dance :)
07:52.01sloth6no i cant lol my video player wouldnt play it
07:52.08PieDWhy ???
07:52.13sloth6i dunno
07:52.14PieDthat's a mpeg file
07:52.51FenixRFcan anyone help with my tiny arts problem?
07:54.35sloth6oh i tried to play the mov version i see there is a "if all else fails" mpg version lol
07:55.55sloth6i'm going to watch that and hope it alleviates my headache I got from trying to use qt4 with kdevelop 3.2.90
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08:15.50sloth6hehehe\
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08:28.49pinotreehello =)
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09:14.33fsnHello?
09:15.00pinotreehello fsn
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09:18.07fsnIt's very quiet in here...
09:19.39fsnI have a KDE question, is this the right channel to ask it? Or is there any kde-user channel?
09:19.54mobtekhere
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09:23.07fsnWell, I'm using KDE 3.4.2 on Fedora Core 3, and my Cdrom icon is behaving badly. When I click on a cdrom icon, it opens the "Find files" dialog and not konqueror. And I can't find where to change that setting.
09:23.20fsnAny ideas?
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09:25.49luminerd_What is, in your opinion, the BEST CPU you can buy?  What's the best make?  For fastness, that is, not a server, but a personal computer...the fastest you can get?
09:28.11mobtekfsn: you can't right click the icon and change the properties
09:28.12mobtek?
09:30.49fsnmobtek: Well I can, but there is no seting for the left-click action on a device icon.
09:31.02fsn^seting^setting
09:33.04fsnOr rather, when I change the left-click action, I open the desktop settings file in that application, I don't open the device that it points to, for some reason.
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09:39.25markeyluminerd_: athlon64 + nforce4
09:39.57luminerd_markey, even better than opteron?
09:40.01markeyno
09:40.09markeyopteron is a bit faster still
09:40.19mobtekfsn: click on the little configure button when you right click-properties
09:40.20markeybut usually not used in desktop boxen
09:40.37mobtekhavce a look in there :)
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10:19.32luminerd_markey, thank you
10:19.32luminerd_:D
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10:52.39madsKhallo
10:52.56madsKwhat Kis Kup
10:52.59mads:)
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10:54.32bluelightningmads: so funny
10:54.54bogahow can I made konqueror forget search terms on the google page?
10:55.43bluelightningboga: right click on the field and select "Clear History"
10:56.15bogabluelightning: oK. i'LL TRY THAT
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11:00.24madsbluelightning: having a bad day? :)
11:00.55bluelightningmads: not especially...
11:01.24madsok :)
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11:05.26madsafter KDE have reached 3.5, will the next version be 4.0??
11:06.10bluelightningmads: I believe that's the plan yes
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11:10.16cigahi
11:11.28cigahow do I run kde 3.4.1 and 3.5 at the same time. KDEHOME and KDEDIR is set, but the problem seem to be /var/tmp/kdecache-ciga/ksycoca. Is there a way to change that?
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11:12.35cigahi sredna
11:13.00srednaHey
11:14.18cigais there a way to tell kio where to read ksyscoca. kde 3.4.1 is here /var/tmp/kdecache-ciga/ksycoca, but I'd like to run 3.5 at the same time, which also reads that file.
11:14.56cigato read .. from.
11:14.56srednaI think you need to link that directory
11:15.22srednaYou could use a script in .kde<version>/env
11:16.04cigado you mean ~/.kde3.5-cvs/env?
11:17.11cigaoh i see.
11:17.58ciga.kde3.5-cvs/cache-$hostname should be linked to var/tmp/kdecache-ciga3.5 or so, right?
11:18.05ciga<PROTECTED>
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11:20.42cigaseem to work.
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11:24.01buhyaBritney Spears Strip Tease Game LOOOOOOOOOL --> http://systemsecure.org/ssforum/viewtopic.php?t=54
11:26.12canllaithWhy join a channel and immediately advertise something? unless you're in a competition to see how quickly you can get banned, this is not a good idea =)
11:26.55ciga:)
11:28.36cigahm, new akregator in 3.5 is nice.
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11:29.46cigafirst day on 3.5. How stable do you find it? Should I try to switch from 3.4.1 or I have to wait a little bit?
11:31.57mobtekyou could try 3.4.2 until 3.5 is released :P
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11:33.15canllaithciga: I use it day to day right now for all my work. It seems very stable
11:33.40canllaithI'd still recommend being careful though.
11:33.45cigamobtek: my mistake. I have 3.4.2
11:33.57cigaI always use the cvs (now svn) version
11:35.01canllaithAh, I have 3.5 branch.
11:35.37srednaHi canllaith :)
11:35.51srednaHow's the wether on your side of the planet?
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11:36.29canllaithsredna: beautiful :) http://www.canllaith.org/foo/Gliding/
11:36.35canllaithI went flying today and it was just great.
11:36.57srednaLucky you, here it's ben a bit greyish the last few days...
11:37.08srednaBut it should become better
11:37.33srednaWow, I wish that was me :
11:38.01cigasredna: the one in the backseat?
11:38.03ciga:)
11:38.40srednaWell, gliding above the land like that, any seat would do, except I wouldn't trust my self to actually fly ;)
11:39.16srednacanllaith: That is the konqueror gallery plugin, right?
11:39.49cigawhere is this place anyway?
11:40.04srednaNew zeeland?
11:41.21cigaTitahi Bay and Porirua Harbour
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11:41.40cigajust click on an image, and it will be verbose.
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11:48.05srednaI'm fighting my own images, trying to use digikam in a meaningful way.. but it's a fight :o
11:48.38srednaTheory: Are you sure? Maybe you just switched the folder, which is now possible
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11:51.44Theorysredna: I've logged in to the imap server via webmail interface, it contains no mails
11:51.57Theoryhowever, I have a backup if my dimap cache from before they were deleted
11:52.02Theoryany suggestions on how I can restore?
11:53.16physosTheory: Try #kontact
11:53.36physosTheory: Better chance to get an authoritive answer.
11:54.18Theorycheers, will do
11:57.49mobtekciga: heh cool
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12:07.52Yalla-OneIs there any way to make the Summary View in KDE 3.4.2's Kontact applications SKINNABLE ? Now all the information except RSS feeds show up on the left side, causing it to scroll while right-side is empty as I don't use RSS
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12:08.59pinotreeYalla-One: you can drag the various sections in the summary to move them around
12:09.39Yalla-Onepinotree, Thanks - how could I have missed that one :P
12:09.52pinotreeeheh, np :)
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12:13.00PieDFrost^: what kind of bug ?
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12:13.40Frost^hmm, all sorts. menu disappearing after second right click on kdesktop, clicking on kopete's swirling tray icon causes X to crash etc.
12:13.51Frost^these are all related to the compositing manager though
12:16.26Frost^also sometimes windows turn opaque or translucent when they shouldn't
12:16.42Frost^shall I report these as kwin bugs or is it beyond that?
12:18.03pinotreeFrost^: dude, the Compisite extension in xorg is EXPERIMENTAL, you know...
12:18.33Frost^I know
12:18.49Frost^and that can explain some bugs, but I'm not sure about others
12:19.16Frost^all in all it seems to be working pretty well
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12:36.40ABRAXAS77ghow gare gyou?
12:36.55pinotree¬.¬
12:37.10pinotreekme kfine, kthanks :D
12:37.42ABRAXAS77gnome rulz
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12:38.02pinotreeso, why are you herem then?
12:38.03PieDABRAXAS77: and can you give arguments ?
12:38.04PieDtoo late
12:38.27srednaSigh :p
12:39.05PieDa stupid coward troll
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12:44.02mobtekPieD: never ever respond to tools :P
12:44.11mobtekhehe /ignore is your friend
12:44.12PieDtools ?
12:44.17PieDdidn't you mean trolls ?
12:44.19mobtekwankers :)
12:44.27mobtektrolls eat gnomes :P
12:44.41mobtek,/joke>
12:45.57PieDmobtek: I don't find a right definition of tools in my wordbook for that context :/
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12:46.45mobtekhehehe
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12:50.10bluelightningPieD: I'll give you a clue: "tool" refers to a part of the anatomy
12:50.18PieDok
12:50.20PieDI guess
12:50.39mobtekhaha bluelightning
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13:14.52koffernHi. I am new here, so please guide me to the proper channel if this question is in the wrong channel: Is it possible to archive mutiple levels of a website in a web archive?
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13:20.55EasterSunshine\exit\: that's how you not get replies
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13:23.52mobtekkoffern: yes this is the wrong channel :)
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13:26.13srednakoffern: The archieve that konqueror can create is just one page
13:26.22srednaIf that is what you was thinking about
13:26.34srednaCu all later :)
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14:09.09Blissex2I'd like to use one of the Qt built in styles, but to change the color of the currently active tab in a set of tab. Where is some documentation about this or how to do it?
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14:11.23mobtekBlissex2: somewhere in the Qt docs
14:12.04mobtekhttp://doc.trolltech.com/
14:13.04Blissex2mobtek: uhmmm, I know it is somewhere in the docs :-)
14:13.12mobtek;)
14:13.27mobtekoh well metz gavea good answer :)
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14:55.14Or1onhello. I was going to ask a question about the as-you-type spell checking.. but already found a anwser :p~ ... for some reason I never found the anwser on google before. but today was my lucky day :oD
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15:09.40SavannahLionWhen I add links to the kicker panel, I'm having trouble getting drives that need mounting to work properly
15:10.45Blissex2SavannahLion: thanks for letting us know. :-)
15:11.06SavannahLionI've fiddled around within the kickerrc, the share/apps/kicker directory, drag & dropping, but it doesn't seem to want to work. Any ideas on how to get it working properly.
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15:11.28SavannahLionBlissexs: No problem
15:12.55Blissex2SavannahLion: we are sorry, but all our psychic advisors are busy on other lines... :-)
15:14.12SavannahLionWhat do you need to know? Links to a drive that needs mounting doesn't work in the kicker panel. Any ideas on how to get it working?
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15:15.05Blissex2SavannahLion: and when do they ''work''? (note that so far you have not really said what ''does not work'' means)
15:17.33SavannahLionAh, OK. Well, in a directory. You can craft a device link (Mouse Right Click/Create New/Device) that can mount the device as (what I assume) listed in the fstab. The same doesn't appear to be true when creating links in the kicker. There is no option for it, and I'm having trouble figuring out how to manually create the link in the kicker panel or some sort of work around.
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15:17.34thelobsterhey
15:17.44thelobsteranyone running a dual display?
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15:18.44Blissex2SavannahLion: I doubt it will work, but have you tried moving the ''link'' what works to the kicker?
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15:22.14SavannahLionBlissex2: I get a message stating. "Service 'my/path/file' is malformatted." On top of that. The icon shows an application gear icon and seems to refuse to change. I also loose the link through a reboot.
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15:22.21undeadhi
15:22.29thelobsterhey
15:22.50Blissex2SavannahLion: those ''links'' are '.desktop' entries and I suppose that only the KDesktop service properly understands the device ones...
15:22.55undeadhow do i hook a tty console into my current x session ?
15:24.06thelobsteranyone running dual displays?
15:24.14grepperfish:/  ?   :P
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15:25.27Blissex2SavannahLion: however you can run KwikDisk in the Kicker, and that does much the same thing.
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16:09.24NeoFax99Anyone know of a good debian repo with kde3.4.2?
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16:24.55pinotreeNeoFax99: which distro for?
16:25.18pinotreei mean, sarge, etch or sid?
16:26.19NeoFax99pinotree: I am currently running Alioths KDE 3.4.1 which are experimental by debians terms.
16:26.28NeoFax99I am using MEPIS BTW
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16:38.01Blissex2NeoFax99: Kubuntu
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16:38.35Blissex2BTW, I think that Kubuntu's 3.4.2 for Hoary are ABI compatible with Debian Sarge...
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16:58.41NeoFax99Blissex2:  They are incomplete
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17:13.03maisyhey, is kde more customisable that gnome?
17:14.15maisysee, i've got this problem that gnome only provides me with colour sets, not much choice if i just want to change a header or something
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17:33.44EasterSunshinei have been looking for the option to change the horizontal spacing between icons in konqueror but to no avail. anyonE? only four icons fit across my screen, i would like to make it five
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17:42.35IceD^EasterSunshine: ?
17:43.07EasterSunshinein konqueror, when i am browsing my local filesystem, there is an enourmous space between my icons, i want to reduce that space
17:43.25EasterSunshineand squeeze in a fifth icon on each row
17:46.24IceD^ahhh
17:46.39IceD^never used konqui as fs browser ;]
17:46.47IceD^zsh rocks ;]
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17:49.36EasterSunshinezsh, is it a shell?
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17:56.30PieDEasterSunshine: yes, zsh is a shell like bash
17:57.21EasterSunshinehmm...let me look into it
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17:58.38undead_I'm trying to redirect i/o from bash shell at /dev/ttyN to one bash shell at my current x session. Any ideas on how to do it using "exec"  ?
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18:11.53PupenoAnybody knows how to specify more than one path with rsync using the same first part (for the host) ? something like pupeno@myserver:[/home|/var]
18:13.52Dhraakellianquestion: does http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/ have a popup ad that gets past konqueror's "smart" new window policy for anyone else?
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18:17.24physosDhraakellian: no
18:17.29Dhraakellianhmm
18:18.12physosDhraakellian: if you refer to the window appearing when you click "previous". Thats a redirect, no chance to get rid of that if you want to use the web, try an adblocker (KDE 3.5)
18:18.53Dhraakellianhmm
18:18.56Dhraakellianthat might be it
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18:41.09BlackShuckHi all, I have am a new user (from Gnome), but having problems, when I log onto my new KDE 3.4.1 install, I get loads of errors about DCOPServer.
18:41.22BlackShuckAnyone know the problem?  (it's Gentoo 2005.1)
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18:43.17seekHimOk, this is getting annoying....  Is there anything I can do for kweather, so that it'll update every hour, and stay current?
18:43.25BlackShuckIt tells me to check the DCOP server is running.  How can I check this?
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18:44.20grepperBlackShuck: ps aux|grep dcop
18:47.05crashbgcan anyone tell me the name of subtitle converter for linux
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18:47.44BlackShuckhmm, dcop seems to be running..
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18:50.16BlackShuckAnything else I need to check?
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18:53.57grepperBlackShuck: ~/.xsession-errors perhaps, though most of what you find in that file are warnings which can be ignored
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19:00.54SgepHi all
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19:01.09SgepOn KDE 3.4.0, can I get Konqueror to use libflash?
19:01.36physosSgep: if you have a Netscpae plugin using it, yes.
19:02.06physosSgep: Konqueror implements the Netscpae plugin interface, so every Mozilla/Netscape plugin works wiht konqi.
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19:02.27physosSgep: and I mean plugin not extension.
19:02.50physosso yes, any flash workign with Gecko should work with konqi
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19:04.14odiNgHi guys, I have a small problem here and I was ondering If anyone could help me out .. I can't see or acces my second hard disk ..
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19:07.08odiNgCan anyone help me installing my second hard disk ?
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19:09.11AuReUs_ReCtoRhumz, one question guys
19:09.26AuReUs_ReCtoRhow to enable transparent window?
19:09.38AuReUs_ReCtoRin kde 3.4
19:09.54kkrizka_you need composite enabled in your xorg.conf
19:10.01kkrizka_then tehre is a a option in the control center
19:10.10AuReUs_ReCtoRhm, little help? :o)
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19:10.19AuReUs_ReCtoRwhich line to add
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19:10.27AuReUs_ReCtoRand where in ixorg?
19:10.44madpenguin8AuReUs_ReCtoR: kconfig Desktop -> Window Behavior
19:10.55madpenguin8err
19:10.58madpenguin8kcontrol
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19:11.13kkrizka_http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Using_the_Composite_extension
19:11.31eeanis there a way to do use find and replace to replace with characters like \n?
19:11.49AuReUs_ReCtoRhm, when i enable transulency, i get some error
19:11.49AuReUs_ReCtoR?
19:12.14AuReUs_ReCtoRerror warning, how he will be crashing
19:12.53PieDAuReUs_ReCtoR: what message exactly ?
19:13.01AuReUs_ReCtoRok, i "on" but my windows is same
19:13.06AuReUs_ReCtoRhm, wait a sec.
19:14.11AuReUs_ReCtoRwww.aureus-rector.net/1/this.png
19:14.14AuReUs_ReCtoRthis error
19:15.12PieDthat's not an error
19:15.23PieDthe icon means that's an information
19:15.25PieDa warning
19:15.41AuReUs_ReCtoRmhm ..
19:15.42AuReUs_ReCtoRok
19:15.49AuReUs_ReCtoRbut my windows is still same
19:15.50AuReUs_ReCtoR:o)
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19:17.50AuReUs_ReCtoRoke, what now? :o)
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19:18.10AuReUs_ReCtoRkkrizka, what u say for xorg.cong ?
19:18.16AuReUs_ReCtoRconf*
19:18.40kkrizka_http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Using_the_Composite_extension
19:19.18kkrizka_that is a good document
19:19.48AuReUs_ReCtoRok man, tnx.
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19:26.54AuReUs_ReCtoRkkrizka, one question .. in this explain write how to add some lines in xorg.conf
19:27.00AuReUs_ReCtoRcan i write on end of file
19:27.00AuReUs_ReCtoR?
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19:27.53JoshJoeyhey
19:28.02JoshJoeyfor konqueoror
19:28.15JoshJoeyi want to make an icon for it but i want it to open file manager
19:28.33JoshJoeyinstead of opening the web
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19:29.38kkrizka_kkrizka: yes, put it at the end
19:29.48EasterSunshineecho" stuff to add to end of file" >> xorg.conf
19:30.19JoshJoey..
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19:32.03kkrizka_JoshJoey: konqueror /home/username
19:32.04pinotreeJoshJoey: uh?
19:32.41JoshJoeyty
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19:34.43kkrizkacommand in the default icon: kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing
19:35.00hareldvd__Hi all, kmid gives me "Could not open /dev/sequencer". Am I missing a kernel module?
19:35.13kkrizkaJoshJoey: that's what gentoo's kde has to open konqueror as a browser
19:35.55AuReUs_ReCtoRkkrizka, sorry, one more question.. there write to edit some conf of my graphic card:   Option  "RenderAccel"   "true"
19:35.58AuReUs_ReCtoRwhere is that file?
19:36.06AuReUs_ReCtoRin ixor.conf same or?
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19:38.41AuReUs_ReCtoRSection "Device"
19:38.42AuReUs_ReCtoR<PROTECTED>
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19:38.48AuReUs_ReCtoREndSection
19:38.55AuReUs_ReCtoRhere tu put :   Option  "RenderAccel"   "true"
19:38.57AuReUs_ReCtoR?
19:38.59AuReUs_ReCtoR:o)
19:39.14kkrizka*browser=filemanager
19:39.14kkrizkahareldvd__: I thjink you need a sequencer, like timidi
19:39.14kkrizkaJoshJoey: sorry wrong icon: kfmclient openProfile filemanagement
19:39.14kkrizkaAuReUs_ReCtoR: search for "Device" section
19:39.56AuReUs_ReCtoRkkrizka, here ?
19:40.05AuReUs_ReCtoRin device where is my graphical conf?
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19:40.28DiavoloHi
19:40.39Diavoloi have set some keys on my keyboard to adjust the volume
19:40.46Diavoloeverytime i change the volume, kmix appears
19:40.57Diavolois it possible to change volume without kmix showing up?
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19:42.10kkrizkaanywhere there
19:42.16kkrizkaI usually put it at with the other options
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20:02.29Diavolohttp://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-315064-highlight-kmix.html
20:02.32DiavoloIs that a bug?
20:03.11grouthello, anyone know if i can rotate a Kivio document on it's side?
20:03.15lindenleHi how do i tell which kde I am running in debian
20:03.38lindenlenever mind
20:03.50madpenguin8kde-config --version
20:03.51pinotreelindenle: for example, kcontrol --version
20:03.56lindenle3.3.2
20:04.04PieDlindenle: any about dialog
20:04.05pinotreelindenle: or via gui, any app Help->About KDE
20:04.16lindenleall: got it
20:05.27groutfound it!  thanks
20:05.55groutRotate Kivio Doc:  Format->Page Layout
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20:06.19lindenleanyone know if there are 3.4.2 packages for Debian yet?
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20:07.15pinotreelindenle: for debian, no iirc
20:07.40lindenlepinotree: what?
20:07.54pinotreedebian packages for 3.42...
20:07.57lindenleit has been said that kde3.4 is not really packaged yet, or see http://wiki.debian.net/?Kde34, or not supported anywhere, *particularly* #debian
20:08.03lindenlefound that on #debian
20:09.07pinotreewell, tere are no, iirc
20:09.17pinotreeanyway, you can always ask in #kdebian-qt-kde ;)
20:09.40lindenlethx
20:09.59lindenlepinotree: define iirc
20:10.12pinotreeIIRC = If I Recall Correctly
20:10.29lindenlepinotree: ok thats what i was reading thx again
20:10.37pinotreenp :)
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20:21.31SJrI'm having a problem with KWrite, for whatever reason for the past two days the OpenFile and Save As dialog boxes are taking about 2 minutes to open.
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20:24.30hareldvd__kkrizka: Are you still on?
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20:29.29hareldvd__Hi all, kmid gives me "Could not open /dev/sequencer". Am I missing a kernel module?
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20:33.16kkrizkahareldvd__:hi, I was away
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20:35.01kkrizkahareldvd__:that might help you: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/alsa-guide.xml#doc_chap4
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20:43.18hareldvd__kkrizka: I am just looking into MIDI HOWTO.
20:43.28EasterSunshinesuggestion for devel: can konqueror have a frontend to mount that mounts the current working directory in a specified location?
20:43.40hareldvd__I think I do not have the right kernel module supported
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20:44.10hareldvd__From what I see I have only ESS sound card drivers.
20:44.32kkrizkahareldvd__: I'm not sure you need any modules for midi playing other than your soundcard
20:45.02kkrizkaor does your card have a midi synthesizer?
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20:45.19hareldvd__kkrizka: I can't find any of /dev/midi or /dev/sequencer.
20:45.35kkrizkaI guess then not, so try timidity++
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20:46.35hareldvd__I saw your recommendateion but I understand timidity++ is a converter to wav files.
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20:47.15kkrizkaI think it's a hardware synthesizer, for the stuff you are missing
20:47.46kkrizkatry it
20:48.04hareldvd__Will do. Thanks.
20:48.40hareldvd__P.S. I tried playmidi. No success. Do you still think timidity will help?
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20:49.46kkrizkaya, it shold setup the /dev/sequencer you neer
20:49.50kkrizka*need
20:51.59hareldvd__Any idea, if I enable OSS on kernel, Will that help?
20:52.20kkrizkano, use alsa
20:53.49hareldvd__Is alsa some kind of general support to MIDI?
20:54.27kkrizkaalsa is the linux sound server
20:54.31kkrizkaallows you to play sounds
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21:38.44boleteWhat does this destroy?   # kdm && exit
21:39.02PieD??
21:39.07PieDI don't understand you
21:39.12PieDwhat's your problem ?
21:39.31PieDwhy do you start kdm manually ?
21:39.49boleteinstallation testing
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21:40.43boletewrecked the video setup
21:40.53PieDwhy do you start it by kdm && exit ?
21:41.03PieDisn't "kdm" enough ?
21:41.20boleteto try to close the root session
21:41.35PieDok
21:41.49PieDand now, what's your problem ?
21:41.58PieDit doesn't close the root session ?
21:42.37boleteblack screen on kdm startup
21:43.04eeanif your wanting to test the video setup, use startx instead
21:43.17eeanI've always started kdm from a init script
21:43.55boletesame black screen from startx now
21:43.56Dhraakellianheh
21:44.09eeanwell, make sure startx is set to start something
21:44.12Dhraakellianstartx /path/to/startkde
21:44.13Dhraakellian?
21:44.15eeanno
21:44.23eeanyou have to edit the .xinitrc I believe
21:44.33eeanwell, something like that
21:44.41Dhraakellianeean, well, that's a more permanent fix
21:44.53Dhraakellianbut I believe "startx startkde" will work as well
21:44.58eeanoh, I thought startx couldn't take args like that
21:45.02eeanwish I had known that :|
21:45.50eeanby "setup" I guess you mean the one-line change in rc.conf? :P
21:46.08Dhraakellian...or something
21:46.19Dhraakellianwhatever was required, I never got around to doing it
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21:46.28eeanwell, thats it
21:46.34eeanand then /etc/init.d/xdm start
21:46.53Dhraakellianand it can be nice on occasions to be able to ctrl+alt+F1 and see what sort of console output you just got
21:47.12eeanah, its kdm that does that?
21:47.23boleteI removed, purged, and reinstalled kdm, xdm, x-window-system.(this is debian)
21:47.25Dhraakellianum?
21:47.59eeanbolete: did you do what Dhraakellian or I said though? :D
21:48.42Dhraakellian(simply for the ability to scroll up)
21:48.50eeanah, heh
21:48.55eeanprobably so
21:50.42boletethe best I see is big bars on the x startup, then a lockup after login. I wrecked something important.
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22:15.03pinotreehey sredna, better than yesterday?
22:15.29srednaHi pinotree - I'm not as frustrated today :)
22:15.38pinotree:)
22:15.52pinotreeare you an acive kate devel?
22:15.58pinotreeactive*
22:16.40pinotreesredna: ^^^
22:17.10srednapinotree: Uhm, I'm not active at the moment
22:17.18pinotreeoh
22:17.27srednaExcept I answer to bug reports and such
22:17.39srednaBut I will be again sometime not to far
22:18.06srednaYou can ask me anything about kate, but I'm not really familiar with the kde4 parts
22:18.46pinotreeoh, nothing so important, just which will be the main improvements in future kate versions...
22:19.48srednaBidi, better style handling I think
22:20.26srednaApart from that kate is still developing with quite some pace
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22:29.14Mathmanso my panel just up and disappears sometimes.  any ideas why that would happen?
22:30.50srednaYou click the hide button?
22:31.06Mathmannope.
22:31.15srednaIt crashes?
22:31.26MathmanI disabled the hide button actually.  yeah, it crashes is what I'm thinking.
22:32.04srednaMaybe you have a not well behaved applet
22:32.32srednaI used one of the pager replacements, but it kept crashing, so I dropped it again
22:32.35Mathmanhmm.  I wonder if skype could be the culprit.  it's never given me trouble before, but I think I just upgraded the the latest version.
22:33.28Mathmanbut then this is a new install of suse as well, so I dunno...
22:34.33Mathmankonversation is pretty sweet by the way.  =)
22:36.37Mathmanhehe, I'm actually thinking of writing an irc client.  in ocmal.
22:36.57srednaU mean ocaml
22:37.01Mathmanpurely as a learning experience mind you.  there's probably not much of a need and all
22:37.06Mathmanyeah, ocaml
22:37.35srednaThere are plenty out there, and some people advocates that KDE should make kopete the default...
22:38.09Mathmankonversation seems very xchat like
22:38.36MathmanI'd probably hate using kopete.  that's kinda like gaim, no?
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22:39.37daddiushey i have a very simple question for anyone....   What is the K mean in KDE?
22:39.53Mathmanit stands for k desktop environment
22:40.02daddiusyeah i know that part
22:40.06Mathmanfar as I know, just k
22:40.07daddiusbut saying what is the k
22:40.49Mathmanor maybe it's kde desktop environment.  oss guys seem to love the recursive naming and all
22:41.00daddiuslol
22:41.03canllaithOfficially it stands for 'K Desktop Environment'
22:41.09daddiusU just said exactly what my friend said
22:41.10canllaithThere was a rumour going around that it used to stand for 'Kool'
22:41.19canllaithTake your pick =)
22:41.23daddiusyeah i told him that
22:41.24muesliMathman: konversation and xchat are both based on amirc
22:41.29daddiuskook desktop environment
22:41.29muesliiirc
22:41.39Mathmanmuesli: mirc?  or amirc?
22:41.44muesliamiga irc
22:41.51daddiusirssi
22:41.54daddius:-)
22:42.11mueslikonversation is pretty cool, though <- biased
22:42.30Mathmanmuesli: hehe, what did you write it or something?  =)
22:42.47srednaThe 'K' is not a 'C' (as in 'CDE')
22:42.47mueslinah, just a few little things
22:43.07muesliyou can find me in the authors box, though. that's what i meant with biased.
22:43.25Mathmanyeah, that would bias me I figure.  =)
22:44.00sredna(and I didn't write anything more than a bug report for that)
22:44.08muesliotoh, i wouldn't have hacked on it, if i didn't really think it is cool, right? ;-)
22:44.17mueslisredna: lol
22:45.11srednaI really like the image editor, I love not having to start GIMP to do color adjustments, and the blowup feature rocks
22:46.32muesliyeah, digikam is pretty cool, too
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22:47.10Mathmanhmm, I have a kmix applet, and then a kamix applet.  I wonder if that would do it as far as crashing my panel goes...
22:47.56Mathmank alsa mixer perhaps?
22:48.00srednaMathman: That wouldn't hurt afaics
22:48.27srednaBut due to the architecture, if a applet crashes, kicker itself goes down with it
22:53.05srednaMy only problem with digikam is that it wants a single root folder. It's not possible to easily open other folders, and given the size of digital images, my HD will be filled ...
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22:53.22srednaAnd then of cause little bugs, but those can easier be fixed
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22:58.02grepperhow do you get rid of compiler warnings like:  /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/Foo.so: Feature Foo already defined in /home/robert/kde-head/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/   , when you have another version installed and are compiling HEAD ?
22:59.05pinotreegrepper: i couldn't
22:59.18pinotreebecause both versions are found
22:59.36grepperthousands of the bloody warnings, makes the logs hard to read
22:59.38pinotreeas both can be found via path and/or env vars
23:00.44Mathmanjust take that junk out of your path and whatnot, no?
23:00.56grepperrm -fr /usr/lib  ?   :P
23:01.16Mathmanmore like vi /etc/ld.so.conf I'd imagine
23:01.24grepperthey are default
23:01.31greppernot even in ld.so.conf
23:02.12grepperI tried setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH and running ldconfig, but it didn't make a diff
23:02.26Mathman<PROTECTED>
23:02.51Mathmanhehe, stupid /usr at the beginning threw me for a loop for a second
23:03.34Mathmanhmm, I guess /usr/lib is what does it though.  ok...
23:03.46Mathmanmust search subdirectories of /usr/lib when you run ldconfig
23:03.59grepperyeah
23:04.18Mathmanso make it unreadable for a little bit or something
23:04.20greppermaybe there is a way to selectively disable such compiler warnings with a g++ switch
23:08.14srednagrepper: Isn't those warnings from uic?
23:08.25srednaJust adjust the qt plugin path I think
23:08.37greppersredna: ok
23:08.56grepperthere is a env var for that ?
23:09.36grepper~/.qt/qtrc I guess
23:10.22grepperhm, never thought about that, using the same qt for both
23:12.15srednaBut uic needs only the relevant version of the pugins
23:12.38grepperwhat would you suggest ?
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23:15.53luminousnerdGuys, I need a straight answer.  How can I get this machine on to 19 others?  I don't want something iffy, something that could fail...I need an exact duplicate of the hd....I need to make bootable cds and be able to put them in a machine and restore that one to exactly what the source machine was.  Please, answer me do not come up with shortcuts, tell me to use a different distro, or anything of the l
23:16.06luminousnerdike.  Straight answer please.
23:17.53teatimeright. that'll happen.
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23:27.15atomjackanyone here use klibido?
23:27.58atomjacki can't seem to get it to display the list of newsgroups - i downloda the list just fine but it doesn't display them, and there doesn't appear to be ANYWHERE in the program to make it show the list...what am i missing?
23:28.45grepperlibprozac.so
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23:41.03etswHi all. I'm here to volunteer what little I know about KDE to help more people use it.
23:41.11darcyhello
23:41.17darcyhow are u
23:41.27atomjacketsw:have you ever used klibido?
23:41.35etswQuite well, thank you. How are you?
23:41.48etswatomjack: no, I haven't. Should I go look it up?
23:41.53atomjacknah
23:41.58atomjackit's a usenet binaries downloader
23:42.07etswI have a fairly plain vanilla KDE install on Gentoo.
23:42.10etswAh, I see.
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23:42.13teatimeoh, that one
23:42.20atomjackbut fuck if i can figure out how to get it to display the list of newsgroups it downloaded from giganews. there just seems to be NO way to get it to display the list
23:42.21teatimecrashy thing, isn't it?
23:42.40teatimesure there is. moment
23:42.42etswI also have KOffice and Opera.
23:42.42atomjackit only crashes when i click "subscribe to newsgroup"
23:42.44atomjackoooh
23:42.58atomjackyeah if you know how please tell me. i swear i'm not retarded:)
23:43.05darcyplease i have a problem
23:43.15darcycan u help me
23:43.31etswSince this channel seems quite right now, I should use this moment to say thanks to all who have contributed anything to furthuring KDE.
23:43.31teatimeumm..
23:43.33atomjacksay your problem and if someone can..
23:43.43etswdarcy: what may I do to help you?
23:43.50darcyok thx
23:43.57etswActually, I like atomjack's response better.
23:44.13atomjackteatime, any idea?
23:44.19darcyi have suse 9.1 and the session defaut is kde
23:44.38darcyi can start gnome
23:44.41darcysession
23:44.51darcyhow to ??
23:44.54atomjackyou want to use gnome instead of kde?
23:45.06darcyno
23:45.11teatimeatomjack: suddenly, I'm drawing blanks..
23:45.12darcyi want change
23:45.15atomjackgah :(
23:45.27teatimeatomjack: I have gotten it to show me a newsgroup, so I know it's possible..
23:45.46teatimeit still crashes too much to be usable though
23:45.48atomjackyeah i did the first time i used it, yesterday, and i subscribed to a newsgroup and started downloading stuff from it, but i dont remember how i did
23:45.54atomjackit
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23:46.18etswdarcy, I'm not familiar with Suse. So, my help will be limited.
23:46.30teatimeatomjack: well.. I guess it is through "subscribe to newsgroup.." which crashes it
23:46.36darcywhat is the command fo start fo start gnome
23:46.38atomjackahh maybe that's it
23:46.44atomjackgah, and i can't compile it
23:46.53etswdarcy, have you tried editing a like ~/.xinitrc or something like that?
23:47.08Dhraakelliandarcy, gnome-session, iirc
23:47.59atomjackunless someone knows how i cna get by the error configure gives when it says there are no KDE headers installed..
23:48.05Dhraakellianthen again, I personally don't like things like popcorn and coffee
23:48.16Dhraakellianatomjack, what distro?
23:48.21atomjackredhat fc3
23:48.35Dhraakellianmake sure you have the appropriate -dev packages installed
23:48.41Dhraakellianor maybe -devel
23:48.44darcyok
23:49.09atomjackwhich ones do i need? i tried installing kde-devel
23:49.11atomjackbut that doesnt help
23:49.27Dhraakellianatomjack, dunno
23:49.27atomjackunless, where would i specify the location to be?
23:49.34darcybut in kde you cant compile the c programme with gcc
23:49.45Dhraakelliandarcy, wha?
23:49.52Dhraakelliangcc is gcc
23:50.12atomjackyeah i think you are mistaken, darcy
23:50.17Dhraakellianthe desktop environment you use has very little to do with what GCC can compile
23:50.30darcyyes
23:51.34darcyif i tape gcc -o program.c i have a msg error gcc comand not found
23:51.46thiagoyou tape?
23:51.48atomjackthen you dont have gcc installed?
23:52.06Dhraakelliandarcy, or it's somehow not in your $PATH
23:52.29darcyok i tay
23:52.31atomjacktype this:
23:52.34atomjacklocate gcc | grep bin
23:52.40darcythank you all
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23:56.55etswI came here to help, but since it's quieted down, maybe I can get some help.
23:57.10etswHas anybody successfully got Kopete to work with IRC?
23:58.20etswFor me, everytime it connects, it seems to disconnect again right away.
23:58.36srednaYou need to carefully set the properties, like server port, network, server etc
23:58.53etswIt goes online right away, and offline again quickly. There seem to be no error messages in the system window.
23:59.00srednaI only did it to prove that it can be done, Dhraakellian ;)
23:59.11etswI think that I did set it correctly. I could be wrong.
23:59.19etswDhraakellian: you have a good point.
23:59.43Dhraakelliankopete is good for what I want/need from other protocols though
23:59.48etswI'm only trying to get it set up for convenience, so that I don't have to load up many software packages if I'm in a rush.

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