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| 00:00.13 | thiago | which means 384 kB/s |
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| 00:00.55 | Oleg_ | thanks |
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| 00:25.58 | jamesconf | my god! I just turned on xcomposites |
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| 00:26.09 | jamesconf | I think I am about to passout |
| 00:26.57 | AcidTonic | if i dont run kde as my main window manager, but i still use kicker for my taskbar. How do i start klaptop to view my battery life. It doesnt start automatically and im not sure what command runs it. For now im starting it using the control panel |
| 00:27.16 | thiago | KDE isn't a window manager |
| 00:27.28 | AcidTonic | you catch my drift though |
| 00:27.38 | thiago | find the klaptop (klaptopdaemon) program and run it |
| 00:27.41 | thiago | make it be run every time |
| 00:28.02 | Jejem | Kde is a desktop environment :) |
| 00:28.02 | AcidTonic | so klaptopdaemon is the name of it? |
| 00:28.28 | thiago | I think it is |
| 00:28.30 | thiago | not sure |
| 00:28.42 | brucehoult | AcidTonic: |
| 00:28.44 | AcidTonic | i simply need to know what command starts it so i dont have to navigate the control panel to start it |
| 00:28.49 | brucehoult | if you enable it through control panel it should stay on |
| 00:28.53 | jamesconf | oh my, 0% Translucency is not a good idea |
| 00:28.54 | AcidTonic | and no its not klaptopdaemon i just tried that |
| 00:28.56 | brucehoult | klaptop_check iirc |
| 00:29.08 | AcidTonic | yep |
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| 00:29.18 | AcidTonic | brucehoult. that was it |
| 00:29.19 | AcidTonic | thanks |
| 00:29.34 | brucehoult | yw :P |
| 00:29.38 | Jejem | jamesconf: why? |
| 00:29.40 | jamesconf | whats the envvar to set to change the wm anywa? |
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| 00:29.49 | jamesconf | Jejem: the window disapears |
| 00:29.54 | brucehoult | $KDEWM ? |
| 00:29.58 | Jejem | LoL jamesconf =) |
| 00:30.10 | brucehoult | read $KDEDIR/bin/startkde |
| 00:30.11 | Jejem | 85% is a good thing =) |
| 00:30.27 | brucehoult | well commented script that explains |
| 00:30.39 | AcidTonic | ah i use slackware, its xwmconfig for me |
| 00:30.53 | jamesconf | yeah it's KDEWM |
| 00:31.07 | anjumbutt | AcidTonic, you can add laptop battery meter by right clicking on the kicker, and selecting it from add->applets |
| 00:31.10 | Alethes | brucehoult/canllaith: I'm actually using nuvola icons :o |
| 00:31.37 | brucehoult | Alethes: they pretty consistand and complete |
| 00:32.00 | Alethes | I'm gonna do a screenie -- hang on |
| 00:32.06 | brucehoult | sorry typing with left hand only |
| 00:32.11 | brucehoult | ok |
| 00:33.03 | Alethes | I replaced the blue folders with yellow ones |
| 00:33.05 | Alethes | looks much better |
| 00:33.30 | Alethes | it's uploading |
| 00:33.42 | Alethes | I'll do another one with konq in it, 'cause this one just has konversation |
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| 00:35.31 | Alethes | overwriting the first one, so hang on |
| 00:36.17 | Alethes | I think I'm gonna change the color of the trash icon so it's more neutral instead of blue |
| 00:36.30 | Alethes | but the blue actually doesn't clash with the way I did this set up |
| 00:36.49 | Alethes | I don't have it on the deskotp |
| 00:36.50 | Alethes | top |
| 00:37.01 | Alethes | I just have a link on the panel |
| 00:37.05 | brucehoult | kicker? |
| 00:37.11 | Alethes | grrr |
| 00:37.13 | brucehoult | fair enough |
| 00:37.17 | Alethes | stupid upload keeps stalling |
| 00:37.19 | Alethes | yeah |
| 00:37.29 | Alethes | ah, there we go |
| 00:37.31 | Alethes | starting to go again |
| 00:38.22 | Alethes | if it wouldn't stall, it'd be done a while back heh |
| 00:39.56 | Alethes | http://www.alethes.net/nuvola_not_sucking.png |
| 00:40.15 | Alethes | that heart icon for the bookmarks has to go |
| 00:40.58 | canllaith | Nice. |
| 00:41.08 | Alethes | the green balances out the blue |
| 00:41.15 | Alethes | makes it less abrasive for me |
| 00:42.01 | Alethes | heh |
| 00:42.25 | Alethes | the drab green also balances out the shiny icons |
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| 00:44.16 | Jejem | hi MrGrim again :p |
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| 00:48.39 | towlie | how do i remove kopete from my puter ? |
| 00:48.56 | Jejem | su -c "rpm -e kopete" |
| 00:48.57 | Jejem | :) |
| 00:49.04 | towlie | it says not found |
| 00:49.08 | towlie | but i have kopete |
| 00:49.15 | Jejem | fc3 ? |
| 00:49.17 | towlie | yea |
| 00:49.18 | Jejem | launch yum |
| 00:49.24 | Jejem | or no |
| 00:49.37 | towlie | isnt it part of kdenetwork package ? |
| 00:49.54 | Jejem | su -c "rpm -e kdenetwork3-InstantMessenger" |
| 00:50.04 | Jejem | (which is kopete :p) |
| 00:50.31 | towlie | it says not installed |
| 00:50.42 | Jejem | so you havn't kopete :) |
| 00:50.47 | towlie | i do! |
| 00:50.54 | Jejem | compiled from sources, so :) |
| 00:50.54 | towlie | i just had it running a second ago |
| 00:50.56 | towlie | nope |
| 00:50.57 | Jejem | launch yum |
| 00:51.02 | Jejem | and look for kopete |
| 00:51.07 | Jejem | it'll find it for u |
| 00:51.10 | towlie | whats the point of that |
| 00:51.13 | towlie | but yum updates |
| 00:51.19 | towlie | it doesnt remove packages |
| 00:51.28 | Jejem | hmm |
| 00:51.48 | Jejem | 2 seconds please |
| 00:52.18 | Jejem | 'm looking exact name of kopete's package |
| 00:52.22 | towlie | ok |
| 00:52.29 | towlie | i think its part of the kdenetwork package |
| 00:52.37 | towlie | but there should be a way of removing it |
| 00:52.40 | Jejem | yes it is |
| 00:52.51 | Jejem | but you can't remove it without remove entire kdenetwork :) |
| 00:52.58 | Jejem | (in suse i have a package for kopete) |
| 00:53.02 | towlie | oh |
| 00:53.02 | Jejem | fc suxx =) |
| 00:53.46 | Jejem | just compile and install your svn kopete over the kdenetwork's kopete :) |
| 00:54.07 | towlie | thats what im doing |
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| 00:59.30 | Jejem | hi canllaith, annma |
| 00:59.47 | canllaith | :) |
| 00:59.58 | annma | hi! |
| 00:59.59 | Jejem | oh an happy guy ! :) |
| 01:00.00 | Jejem | lol |
| 01:00.04 | Jejem | how r u, both ? |
| 01:00.17 | annma | fine thanks |
| 01:00.19 | annma | you? |
| 01:00.29 | Jejem | i'm ok too :) |
| 01:00.40 | canllaith | Fine thank you |
| 01:02.09 | Jejem | good |
| 01:02.27 | Jejem | maybe one of you can help me lool :) |
| 01:02.35 | Jejem | 'm having trouble with kicker's transparency |
| 01:02.47 | annma | what's up with it? |
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| 01:03.57 | sarah03 | [That being the standard issue with transparency and kicker that I'm aware of.] |
| 01:04.08 | Jejem | my problem is |
| 01:04.15 | Jejem | when a icon appear/disappear from the systray |
| 01:04.25 | Jejem | the background became garbled |
| 01:04.32 | Jejem | (sry if my english is bad, i'm french :p) |
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| 01:06.02 | Jejem | having this problem since my upgrade to kde3.4 |
| 01:06.23 | annma | Jejem: oh, yeah |
| 01:06.32 | annma | I had it too for a while |
| 01:06.37 | annma | kicker is a bit shaky |
| 01:06.50 | Jejem | haven't got this problem with my old kde3.3 :/ |
| 01:07.19 | annma | no |
| 01:07.30 | annma | kicker had got a bit of rework |
| 01:07.45 | annma | maybe it'll be fixed in 3.4.1 |
| 01:07.51 | annma | which will be out soon |
| 01:08.44 | Jejem | i hope :) |
| 01:09.16 | annma | that reminds me I have a fix to backport |
| 01:10.46 | Jejem | héhé |
| 01:13.43 | thiago | please switch to UTF-8 :) |
| 01:14.36 | Jejem | when i come on channels they ask me to use iso-8859-1 |
| 01:14.41 | Jejem | and some other ask me to utf-8 |
| 01:14.46 | Jejem | i will make a mix |
| 01:14.51 | Jejem | utf-8859-81 :) |
| 01:14.55 | annma | Jejem: utf8 allows to see all chars |
| 01:15.04 | annma | it's like international |
| 01:15.16 | Jejem | my system is in utf-8 |
| 01:15.24 | Jejem | 've put utf-8 for freenode network ;) |
| 01:15.46 | Jejem | will not be boring with accents anymore :) |
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| 01:23.27 | necrotic | on a PIII 600mhz, about how long should kdebase and kdelibs take to compile? |
| 01:23.38 | Jejem | wow |
| 01:23.40 | Jejem | don't know at all =) |
| 01:23.42 | Jejem | hours ;) |
| 01:23.44 | necrotic | long time? |
| 01:23.54 | necrotic | damn... i was hoping it wouldn't take too long |
| 01:23.58 | necrotic | i want to get out of my text mode tonight |
| 01:24.02 | Jejem | on a p4 2.6ghz |
| 01:24.08 | stampede | necrotic: many hours... |
| 01:24.08 | Jejem | kopete took me about 30 minutes :) |
| 01:24.14 | Jejem | i think |
| 01:24.16 | Jejem | kde with kdelibs |
| 01:24.18 | Jejem | 10-15 hours ? |
| 01:24.24 | Jejem | it's a supposition |
| 01:24.26 | necrotic | well damn. thanks though |
| 01:24.35 | Jejem | it's better for you to find packages :) |
| 01:24.36 | necrotic | time to go find some way to entertain myself |
| 01:24.40 | Jejem | what's your distrib ? =) |
| 01:24.42 | necrotic | gentoo |
| 01:24.45 | stampede | on my p3 600, kopete took 3 hours today... |
| 01:24.53 | Jejem | stampede: lol :) |
| 01:24.59 | Jejem | necrotic: emerge kdebase kdelibs XD |
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| 01:25.11 | necrotic | Jejem, 'tis what I did |
| 01:25.20 | Jejem | you can go to sleep now :) |
| 01:25.22 | necrotic | kdebase actually does kdelibs, too |
| 01:25.25 | Jejem | and when you'll wake up |
| 01:25.25 | necrotic | yeah... i could |
| 01:25.28 | necrotic | sleep is lame though |
| 01:25.32 | Jejem | it havn't finished yet :) |
| 01:25.35 | necrotic | i'll probably go watch a movie |
| 01:26.04 | necrotic | im gone |
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| 01:39.39 | mankind_tweezer | can i use Kopete from SVN alongside the rest of KDE from 3.4? |
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| 01:40.38 | annma | mankind_tweezer: I believe so, yes |
| 01:40.47 | annma | mankind_tweezer: but don't get it now, it fails to compile |
| 01:40.56 | annma | wait for tomorrow |
| 01:40.58 | mankind_tweezer | annma: okey |
| 01:41.06 | annma | mankind_tweezer: ask in #kopete even |
| 01:41.20 | annma | but the kdelibs did not change as far as I am aware of it |
| 01:42.01 | mankind_tweezer | annma: i see -- sounds promising |
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| 01:45.06 | stampede | annma: i've disabled avdevice in 2 makefile.am's and removed an include from kopeteapplication.h... it compiles and works... |
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| 01:46.48 | gesslar | i'm having a problem with kwrite. it's really weird. when i hit enter on a line, it doesn't automatically go to the same indent position as the line above it. it automatically goes to column 0. i can't find the option to change this, can anybody help? |
| 01:47.16 | gesslar | i'm having a problem with kwrite. it's really weird. when i hit enter on a line, it doesn't automatically go to the same indent position as the line above it. it automatically goes to column 0. i can't find the option to change this, can anybody help? |
| 01:47.38 | gesslar | i don't know if that came through before or not, i just identified to nickserv |
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| 01:49.01 | annma | stampede: oh, ok :) |
| 01:49.12 | annma | mankind_tweezer: did you see? kopete compiles |
| 01:49.21 | annma | stampede: thanks |
| 01:49.23 | mankind_tweezer | annma: yup, so i'm trying it now |
| 01:49.29 | gesslar | i'm in kde 3.4 |
| 01:50.51 | stampede | mankind_tweezer: if you have trouble with avdevice when compiling, comment it out in libkopete/Makefile.am and kopete/config/Makefile.am |
| 01:51.07 | mankind_tweezer | stampede: okey, will do |
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| 01:51.46 | gesslar | oh no, Kate's doing it, too |
| 01:51.52 | gesslar | is this the new default? how do i change this? |
| 01:52.23 | mankind_tweezer | it'll take a while to get going, i am using some gentoo ebuilds, and it turns out they want to build kdelibs from SVN first before they get to kopete (so my first Q was a little bit unnecessary maybe, sorry :) ) |
| 01:52.48 | gesslar | oh |
| 01:52.52 | annma | gentoo ebuilds? |
| 01:52.52 | gesslar | that's weird |
| 01:52.58 | annma | from svn? |
| 01:53.19 | gesslar | whee, i figured it out |
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| 01:59.11 | mankind_tweezer | annma: yeah, someone put some together |
| 02:00.52 | mankind_tweezer | annma: not official gentoo ebuilds, of course. you do "emerge kopete" and (if they work -- i never tried them before) they check it out from SVN, compile it and install it |
| 02:01.14 | annma | they check it 'live'? the today code? |
| 02:01.25 | mankind_tweezer | annma: yep |
| 02:01.41 | mankind_tweezer | well, if i understand right, anyway |
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| 02:23.30 | jamesd | okay the detail veiw window is cool |
| 02:30.53 | annma | how come it does not say how many unread mails you have? |
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| 04:21.08 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 04:21.26 | Dhraakellian | I hid the kasbar, and now I can't seem to unhide it |
| 04:22.09 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 04:22.24 | Dhraakellian | the hide button shows ever so briefly when I do alt+F2 |
| 04:23.38 | aseigo_afk | Dhraakellian: already reported on bugs.kde.org. |
| 04:23.47 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
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| 04:28.52 | aseigo_afk | (and for the record, not my fault) |
| 04:29.57 | grepper | transparent taskbar is very nice in cvs aseigo :) |
| 04:31.24 | aseigo_afk | grepper: =) there's still a few things left to do with it |
| 04:31.44 | Dhraakellian | aseigo_afk, I didn't say it was |
| 04:32.41 | grepper | aseigo_afk: still, nice to have it official |
| 04:32.50 | Dhraakellian | but omg fix it like right now!!!!!1 |
| 04:32.50 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 04:34.06 | grepper | seems to dislike a black desktop bg |
| 04:35.00 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 04:35.28 | Dhraakellian | I seem to have a PDF of a book entitled "C+ + GUI Programming with Qt 3" on my hard drive |
| 04:35.34 | aseigo_afk | grepper: just turn on the text halo (not in the gui yet) |
| 04:36.13 | grepper | well, the colours fudge up going from hide to unhide |
| 04:36.18 | grepper | mouseover fixes it |
| 04:36.47 | aseigo_afk | hm. will look into it |
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| 04:57.40 | Strychnine | i want to modify the source for xchat in kde 3.4.0 where is the source code located? |
| 04:57.52 | Strychnine | i use gentoo |
| 04:58.01 | grepper | gnome.org :) |
| 04:58.01 | Strychnine | i did emerge kde |
| 04:58.19 | Strychnine | ? |
| 04:59.05 | grepper | http://xchat.org/ , which is a gtk app, not a qt/kde one at all |
| 05:00.18 | Strychnine | thats not really what im looking for |
| 05:00.36 | Strychnine | it should already be on my system |
| 05:01.05 | grepper | /var/tmp/portage/xchat-2.4.3/work |
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| 05:03.23 | Strychnine | yeah gentoo guys helped me out |
| 05:03.42 | Strychnine | now i need to know how to recompile when im done |
| 05:03.48 | Strychnine | but thats for later ;) |
| 05:03.49 | Strychnine | thx |
| 05:04.40 | grepper | start an emerge, then look at config.log |
| 05:04.52 | grepper | it will give you a configure line |
| 05:04.57 | grepper | configure* |
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| 05:05.38 | whisper | in KDE what is the purpose of using virtual desktops if the same icons are going to be there in the taskbars? |
| 05:06.04 | grepper | you can set the taskbar to display on the ones from that desktop |
| 05:06.09 | whisper | i would like to click on the "programming" virtual desktop" and see only the icons i have attached to 'kicker' (I guess that's the name of it) that are relevant to programming, then when i click on the "games" virtual desktop, only see icons relevant to games present in the kicker. |
| 05:07.00 | grepper | dselect "show windows from all desktops" |
| 05:07.54 | whisper | that didn't do anything. |
| 05:08.04 | whisper | that just gets rid of the icons for the "running program". |
| 05:08.06 | whisper | that's not what i want. |
| 05:08.36 | whisper | what i want is for the icons for programs that aren't running to appear only with their respective virtual desktops. |
| 05:08.43 | whisper | surely this is something that has been invented? |
| 05:08.52 | whisper | i'm not a developer, so :) |
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| 05:15.11 | grepper | whisper: you said "taskbar, which is why I replied what I did |
| 05:15.30 | whisper | i don't know what it's called, then :) |
| 05:16.09 | whisper | okay, i have icons in these areas -> bottom, left of the names of hte virtual desktops, and on a new child panel that i created to the right of the desktop screen :) |
| 05:16.45 | whisper | am i making any sense? :) |
| 05:18.18 | whisper | i think it would be AWESOME (and very efficient) to be able to select the "programming" virtual desktop, and only see icons in the kicker (?) for Anjuta, Bluefish, Quanta, etc. That way I don' t have to see icons for x-chat (wait, check that, doesn't EVERY programming newbie login to the internet, then x-chat? LOL) and other icons |
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| 05:20.19 | Quinn_Storm | basically what you really want is to be able to have a different kicker configuration for each desktop, perhaps even have panels only visible on some desktops |
| 05:20.23 | Quinn_Storm | right? |
| 05:20.27 | towlie | hey i need help im using fedora core 3 and im trying to upgrade from kde 3.3 to 3.4 but when i install the kdelibs rpm i get this dependency error: error: Failed dependencies: |
| 05:20.27 | towlie | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.27 | towlie | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.27 | towlie | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.27 | towlie | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.29 | towlie | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.31 | towlie | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.33 | towlie | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.35 | towlie | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.35 | Quinn_Storm | towlie: use a pastebin!!! |
| 05:20.43 | Dhraakellian | http://rafb.net/paste |
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| 05:22.20 | towlie | ok sorry |
| 05:22.22 | whisper | Quinn_Storm, that would work, though it sounds like a lot of work. |
| 05:22.33 | towlie | any ideas |
| 05:23.16 | abydos | blimey you have a lot of dependency conflicts |
| 05:23.17 | whisper | Quinn_Storm, even with not being a developer, i can see how this would be something easily implemented. you simply associate icons, files, etc. with virtual desktops. that way, new kickers don't have to be created. |
| 05:23.55 | towlie | yea |
| 05:24.12 | grepper | which is only another way of saying what you did |
| 05:24.12 | towlie | but ive never had any dependency problems when upgrading kde before |
| 05:24.13 | grepper | :) |
| 05:24.14 | towlie | what do i do |
| 05:24.37 | abydos | Well, I'd make a helpful suggestion, but I have two things that prevent me from doing so. |
| 05:24.48 | abydos | One, I don't use KDE anymore, having gone over to gnome. |
| 05:24.57 | abydos | and two, I don't use fedora, because of that exact problem |
| 05:25.13 | towlie | well do i have any choices ? |
| 05:25.20 | abydos | dependency conflicts are rampant in rpm-based distros. |
| 05:25.29 | abydos | I would suggest updating all yum info |
| 05:25.33 | towlie | i did |
| 05:25.35 | grepper | towlie: the subsequent conflicts come from you not satisfying the requirements of and installing kdelibs 3.4*, so attack that one first and the others may go away |
| 05:25.45 | towlie | i know that |
| 05:25.50 | towlie | but i cant install kdelibs |
| 05:25.55 | abydos | and then try installing libIex etc |
| 05:26.03 | grepper | find out what provides libHalf.so.2 etc etc |
| 05:26.06 | abydos | yeah. |
| 05:26.07 | grepper | and install them |
| 05:26.08 | towlie | ive tried |
| 05:26.11 | towlie | but i dunno how |
| 05:26.22 | towlie | to find out the rpm to get for each one |
| 05:26.24 | abydos | and I don't even have a clue about how yum works |
| 05:26.25 | grepper | rpmfind.net and other sites similar are useful |
| 05:26.31 | towlie | ive looked there |
| 05:26.55 | abydos | try searching your yum cache for libhalf |
| 05:27.05 | towlie | wheres the cache at |
| 05:27.09 | abydos | hell if I know. |
| 05:27.18 | abydos | I don't use yum, I think it's a cheap apt knockoff |
| 05:27.33 | abydos | but there has to be a command like apt-cache search |
| 05:27.35 | grepper | http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libHalf.so.2&submit=Search+... |
| 05:28.33 | abydos | I'd upgrade my KDE install to 3.4 but there aren't packages yet (not even in unstable) |
| 05:29.24 | towlie | grepper, no results on rpmfind |
| 05:29.26 | abydos | though I bet there are some in experimental... but running experimental is just a *bit* too bleeding for me |
| 05:30.31 | grepper | no? that looked like a result to me |
| 05:31.29 | grepper | ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/extras/3/i386/OpenEXR-1.2.2-3.fc3.i386.rpm |
| 05:31.45 | abydos | yeah, dude, that's totally a result. |
| 05:32.06 | abydos | better yet use yum's built-in search feature to find a file like that |
| 05:32.16 | towlie | damn |
| 05:32.43 | abydos | (yum *does* have a search feature, doesn't it?) |
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| 05:36.31 | Oleg_ | what does the word refurbished mean? |
| 05:36.51 | abydos | It means someone from the manufacturer has looked at it |
| 05:36.53 | brianw | Oleg_: factory rebuilt/recertified |
| 05:36.58 | abydos | and pronounced it still good |
| 05:37.11 | grepper | Oleg_: it can have several meanings, ranging from openbox but new to "used and we are scamming you" |
| 05:37.44 | brianw | true refurbished comes w/ a brand new warranty |
| 05:37.52 | abydos | which is fairly worthless, because it drops value, takes up someone's time, and is as vague as saying the atlantic is 'east of here a ways' |
| 05:38.06 | Oleg_ | it can be used, but not new? |
| 05:38.09 | abydos | yes. |
| 05:38.10 | grepper | in the middle is "used but checked and fixed by the manufacturer and with a guarentee" |
| 05:38.12 | abydos | well |
| 05:38.26 | abydos | it can be new, in box, as in, someone opened it and didn't want it then |
| 05:38.50 | brianw | I used to get all kinds of really good refurbished equipment from spidergear.com . got a $1000 denon receiver like 5 years ago for 399. Still using it today. |
| 05:38.56 | Oleg_ | I ordered a refurbished hard drive from pricewatch.com |
| 05:39.15 | abydos | I wish I could get a refurb laptop. |
| 05:39.20 | brianw | i would not get a refurbished drive though. laff |
| 05:39.58 | abydos | Me either, you have absolutely no idea how long it has been run before being "refurbished". Or how much abuse it's taken. |
| 05:40.28 | abydos | The only refurbished hard disks I get cost 3 bucks at the local bargain bin, and are sold as-is. |
| 05:40.40 | brianw | hahah |
| 05:41.04 | Oleg_ | but maybe the hd I ordered was never used before |
| 05:41.07 | brianw | I bought some bulk scsi drives though once. they are going strong I think. |
| 05:41.09 | abydos | I scored a caddy-style CD-ROM drive there, I thought that was uber-cool |
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| 05:41.45 | abydos | You push on the face to eject the disc holder, and then lift up on the cover, it's f'n great. |
| 05:41.45 | brianw | Oleg_: maybe, but the idiot who couldn't get it working in his pc, probably didn't handle it correctly etc... |
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| 05:42.31 | Oleg_ | ok |
| 05:42.43 | brianw | imo, all drives should be slot loading |
| 05:42.48 | abydos | meh |
| 05:42.53 | Oleg_ | it's hard to believe someone couldn't get a hd working in his pc |
| 05:42.57 | abydos | don't talk to me about slot-loading stuff. |
| 05:43.02 | brianw | Oleg_: not very hard at all |
| 05:43.05 | abydos | My car's CD player has taken to eating CDs |
| 05:43.11 | abydos | it's a slot-loader |
| 05:43.16 | brianw | abydos: I had a pioneer that did that |
| 05:43.26 | abydos | this is a wal-mart special |
| 05:43.44 | abydos | I'm going to replace it though, with another wal-mart special, probably one that plays mp3s this time though. |
| 05:44.05 | philone | hey... does anyone know if kde has any good system monitoring applets? I'm thinking system temp and whatnot... I've got some empty space that needs fillin' :P |
| 05:44.09 | brianw | wallmart has alright decks sometimes |
| 05:44.25 | grepper | philone: ksensors |
| 05:44.26 | brianw | philone: gkrelm |
| 05:44.29 | abydos | ksensors is pretty good... but it's not really a dock |
| 05:44.29 | brianw | hehe |
| 05:44.36 | philone | ah |
| 05:44.36 | grepper | no ? |
| 05:44.40 | philone | i've got the little system monitor bars |
| 05:44.41 | abydos | it does fit in the gnome system tray though |
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| 05:44.57 | philone | I've got about 2" (at 1024x768) of taskbar space |
| 05:45.01 | philone | that needs something in it |
| 05:45.09 | philone | size small |
| 05:45.36 | abydos | grepper: I mean, I wish it worked as a dock in gnome, that's all. |
| 05:45.39 | grepper | well, you could have hd temps and mobo and cpu temps there with ksensors |
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| 05:45.47 | grepper | ah |
| 05:45.48 | abydos | and uptime |
| 05:45.50 | abydos | if you wished. |
| 05:45.50 | philone | i'll check it out |
| 05:46.06 | abydos | But my docks are extroardinarily tiny. |
| 05:46.15 | grepper | abydos: size doesn't matter |
| 05:46.22 | brianw | ya right |
| 05:46.29 | abydos | 1 dock at the top of the screen, with the apps menu, actions menu, and some quick launchers |
| 05:46.45 | abydos | and gweather, clock, volume, and task list (like a mac :) |
| 05:46.53 | philone | my space is kinda lacking due to resolution |
| 05:46.56 | abydos | and the bottom one has a taskbar and a system tray |
| 05:47.02 | abydos | at 1280x1024 |
| 05:47.08 | grepper | all telling you how much ram you are using with all these docks :P |
| 05:47.22 | philone | anything higher than 1024x768 gets a bad refresh rate... |
| 05:47.27 | Quinn_Storm | 2048x768 is my resolution :-P |
| 05:47.42 | philone | I don't know if it's my geforce that sux or my monitor |
| 05:47.44 | philone | I'm guessing both... |
| 05:47.46 | Quinn_Storm | and I'm stuck with lousy refresh (60hz on left monitor, 45hz on right...yes you read that right) |
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| 05:48.00 | abydos | I need to get space to put up another monitor |
| 05:48.06 | abydos | xinerama is insanely cool |
| 05:48.07 | philone | ouch |
| 05:48.11 | philone | my eyes would bug out at 45 |
| 05:48.19 | slayerbob | space is cheap :P |
| 05:48.20 | Quinn_Storm | I'm using mergedfb with pseudo-xinerama myself b/c xinerama doesn't support dri |
| 05:48.24 | slayerbob | hi everyone :P |
| 05:48.34 | abydos | slayerbob, you don't live in my house, dude. Space is at a premium |
| 05:48.37 | philone | I've got two monitors, but that's 'cause the other one is hooked up to another comp |
| 05:48.49 | brianw | Quinn_Storm: ouch, I have dualhead nvidia, but two 19" viewsonic crt (electrical power drain monsters). I am getting two lcd's soon. |
| 05:48.50 | slayerbob | abydos: i doubt it is at as much of a premium as it is here :P |
| 05:48.51 | abydos | I have about 10 inches for a monitor on the right of my monitor |
| 05:49.10 | Quinn_Storm | brianw: nice...I need to get an nvidia, have a matrox right now |
| 05:49.15 | abydos | and half that is CD-R's, my Arena-530's, and my tower |
| 05:49.37 | abydos | I'm not even going to say what my graphics card is. It's embarrasing. |
| 05:49.38 | grepper | 1152x864 is not bad |
| 05:49.39 | brianw | Quinn_Storm: what wm/de do you use? |
| 05:49.56 | Quinn_Storm | brianw: kde, obviously, heh. |
| 05:49.57 | philone | abydos, I just upgraded from a Riva 128... |
| 05:50.00 | abydos | Suffice it to say that trident cards... suck |
| 05:50.01 | philone | can't be that embaressing :P |
| 05:50.02 | brianw | doh. |
| 05:50.11 | brianw | I forgot what # i was in... hehhe |
| 05:50.20 | abydos | philone: Trident CyberBlade/i1 |
| 05:50.20 | Oleg_ | this is the hd I ordered: |
| 05:50.25 | Oleg_ | http://www.unityelectronics.com/product-product_id/2339 |
| 05:50.26 | philone | oh... |
| 05:50.27 | Quinn_Storm | I like kde a lot really, just not a big fan of gnome...though xfce can be somewhat cool and blackbox is great for its situation |
| 05:50.43 | abydos | philone: and the other one's a Cirrus Logic (not a bad card manufacturer) |
| 05:50.45 | philone | hey, has anyone here used the kde bluetooth tools? |
| 05:50.51 | philone | yeah |
| 05:50.59 | philone | I've got a G4MX440 now... |
| 05:51.11 | philone | traded a box of necco wafers with a guy on the internet for it |
| 05:51.11 | brianw | I use kde mostly. this box at present has only fvwm2 , afterstep , and ion3 installed atm |
| 05:51.15 | slayerbob | nvidia cards are nice under linux :P |
| 05:51.17 | grepper | anyone know how to split a *.vob to burn to a cdrw ? |
| 05:52.01 | philone | wow, that's almost my system |
| 05:52.09 | philone | I've got an athlon 1.2ghz in the mail |
| 05:52.14 | philone | right now it's an 800mhz duron... |
| 05:52.22 | philone | but with 512mb ram and 80gig hd |
| 05:52.28 | Quinn_Storm | oh, and the board is a VIA KT7A-Raid |
| 05:52.30 | Oleg_ | what is FDB motor? |
| 05:52.37 | Quinn_Storm | (stupid freaking board and grub don't get along) |
| 05:52.38 | philone | VIA...? |
| 05:52.39 | Oleg_ | fluid bearing motor? |
| 05:52.41 | philone | you mean ABIT? |
| 05:52.49 | Quinn_Storm | no, VIA |
| 05:52.51 | Quinn_Storm | er |
| 05:52.52 | Quinn_Storm | yeah |
| 05:52.53 | Quinn_Storm | abit |
| 05:52.53 | Quinn_Storm | lol |
| 05:52.54 | philone | lol |
| 05:52.56 | philone | same mobo even |
| 05:53.02 | philone | you've got my computer |
| 05:53.07 | Quinn_Storm | yeah that mobo is(was) popular |
| 05:53.07 | grepper | 12CPU[AMD Athlon XP 2900+ clocked at 2100.150 Mhz] 12Kernel[Linux 2.6.11-1-k7 i686] 12Up[-23:15-] 12Mem[-998.012/1012.22MB-] 12HDD[-210GB(55%used)-] 12Procs[-115-] 12Client[X-Chat 2.4.3] |
| 05:53.24 | philone | I got it with a bunch of free parts when I was back home in alaska and needed a computer |
| 05:53.28 | grepper | not much of an oc, but I'll take what I can get :) |
| 05:53.41 | towlie | hey can u guys help me out ? im trrying to instal kdelibs rpm but it says im missing some dependencies but those dependencies have kdelibs as a dependency so im stuck what can i do |
| 05:53.52 | Quinn_Storm | I could easily overclock this board (SoftMenu) but I've decided it isn't worth it |
| 05:54.02 | grepper | towlie: you installed that rpm I showed you ? |
| 05:54.10 | Oleg_ | Internal transfer rate (Mbytes/sec) |
| 05:54.13 | Oleg_ | Up to 85.4 |
| 05:54.14 | towlie | grepper, which ? |
| 05:54.26 | Oleg_ | is it faster than the rate of USB 2.0 hard drives? |
| 05:54.33 | Quinn_Storm | nice system brianw |
| 05:54.41 | towlie | i got rid of all the dependencies for kdelibs except other kde 3.4 rpms |
| 05:54.43 | philone | sheesh |
| 05:54.53 | philone | hm, seems we all run gentoo as well |
| 05:55.27 | brianw | I have 6 gentoo boxen within 10 feet. |
| 05:55.28 | grepper | towlie: <grepper> ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/extras/3/i386/OpenEXR-1.2.2-3.fc3.i386.rpm |
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| 05:56.07 | Quinn_Storm | I'll soon finish building a server here (running debian sid on it), right now its running on ancient hardware, but I have enough spare parts to build the new server as soon as I get the mobo & cpu cooler, already have the athlon (1GHz I think), another $calc(128+256)MB ram, the 20GBhd, ethernet, etc. for it |
| 05:56.27 | Quinn_Storm | I like debian sid for a server better, gentoo makes a nice desktop though once you get it set up... |
| 05:56.27 | brianw | sweet |
| 05:56.31 | towlie | yea i did |
| 05:56.36 | towlie | grepper, yea i did |
| 05:56.42 | philone | my server is running on an old old computer |
| 05:56.49 | philone | a gateway with a 400mhz PII |
| 05:56.53 | philone | 4gig hd... |
| 05:56.53 | towlie | grepper, http://rafb.net/paste/results/Rfvr0r61.html |
| 05:57.01 | philone | running Mandrake 10.1 |
| 05:57.05 | Quinn_Storm | right now my server is an ancient board, the 20GB HD but the cpu is a P1-133 & it has 32MB ram |
| 05:57.16 | brianw | I like gentoo for a server personally. emerge is just too good. Once glep19 comes into play, then server use will be even better |
| 05:57.33 | philone | emerge is awesome... I just get tired of waiting sometimes though |
| 05:57.34 | Quinn_Storm | I thought I'd hate gentoo but once I finally really tried it I love it |
| 05:57.53 | philone | I need a few more high speed systems and distcc... |
| 05:57.55 | brianw | philone: for server stuff you hardly have to wait at all |
| 05:58.01 | Quinn_Storm | hehe yeah, philone |
| 05:58.10 | philone | yeah, unfortunately my server doesn't run gentoo |
| 05:58.17 | Quinn_Storm | brianw: yeah, but right now the server had to be debian sid b/c could you imagine emerging on a P1-133 w/ 32MB ram? |
| 05:58.20 | philone | I get to deal with the lovely rpm system on it... blah |
| 05:58.41 | grepper | towlie: rpm -e those |
| 05:58.48 | towlie | which ? |
| 05:58.56 | brianw | Quinn_Storm: yup, you could use a different box and build bins for it. :) |
| 05:59.19 | brianw | thats what I do for my p2 laptop |
| 05:59.20 | Quinn_Storm | brianw: yeah I could distcc with the desktop box really...they're on the same physical segment (separated from the internet by a wireless segment) |
| 05:59.20 | philone | o0o, ksensors is done emerging |
| 05:59.34 | grepper | towlie: kdeaddons kdeartwork kdebase kdelibs-devel |
| 05:59.41 | towlie | ok then what |
| 05:59.51 | grepper | then proceed |
| 05:59.58 | towlie | to do what ? |
| 06:00.14 | grepper | um, what gave you those errors ? |
| 06:00.33 | abydos | I prefer sarge for servers. |
| 06:00.43 | grepper | btw, when you paste errors, you should paste the command that gave you the errors |
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| 06:00.54 | grepper | its sometimes helpful in troubleshooting :) |
| 06:00.59 | towlie | ok |
| 06:01.05 | philone | hm, well ksensors doesn't appear to do anything for me... |
| 06:01.07 | abydos | grepper: only sometimes? |
| 06:01.09 | towlie | do i do rpm -e kdeaddons |
| 06:01.10 | philone | Quinn_Storm, does it work for you? |
| 06:01.12 | grepper | heh |
| 06:01.14 | Quinn_Storm | philone: it won't do anything until you set it up |
| 06:01.18 | philone | oh |
| 06:01.40 | philone | aha... |
| 06:01.50 | philone | never underestimate a check box |
| 06:02.06 | Quinn_Storm | yeah and make sure to hit "apply" on each sensor b/c the silly thing reverts otherwise |
| 06:02.10 | towlie | grepper ? |
| 06:02.14 | abydos | philone: My file server is a 233MHz P1, with about 90 megs of RAM and 2 10gb HDs and a 1.7gb hd |
| 06:02.16 | grepper | towlie: yes |
| 06:02.22 | towlie | im confused |
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| 06:02.41 | grepper | I have ksensors showing a panel from my other box, which is nice too |
| 06:02.50 | philone | heh... making my server seem like a monster |
| 06:03.04 | Quinn_Storm | well thats just a file server, I doubt it'd be a good php webserver |
| 06:03.27 | abydos | philone: my desktop (which does webserving on the side) is a 1200mhz celeron with about 190gb of storage total |
| 06:03.39 | philone | nice |
| 06:03.46 | abydos | philone: and a gig of RAM |
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| 06:03.50 | Quinn_Storm | I'd do that but I don't trust my desktop to stay up and a webserver should |
| 06:03.51 | philone | o0o |
| 06:03.53 | philone | I could go for that |
| 06:04.10 | towlie | grepper, can u help me |
| 06:04.10 | Oleg_ | Internal transfer rate (Mbytes/sec) |
| 06:04.12 | Oleg_ | Oleg_ Up to 85.4 |
| 06:04.13 | philone | the only real server thing my desktop does anymore is serve my eggdrop |
| 06:04.25 | abydos | Quinn_Storm: My desktop kept crashing until I went to gnome (not to plug it or anything...) |
| 06:04.26 | Oleg_ | is it faster than the rate of USB 2.0 hard drives? |
| 06:04.31 | philone | and run a web server on port 81 for dinking around |
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| 06:04.42 | Quinn_Storm | abydos: my desktop doesn't crash but does reboot intentionally with kernel updates (kde) |
| 06:05.23 | abydos | Quinn_Storm: Oh, mine was actually physically freezing mid-operation, as in, no mouse response, no keyboard response (ctl-alt-bksp doesn't work) |
| 06:05.47 | abydos | Quinn_Storm: it was quite irritating, and totally unpredictable |
| 06:05.57 | jamesd | if anyone is interesting in trying kde 3.4 on solaris 10.. there is a new howto on my blog http://uadmin.blogspot.com |
| 06:06.18 | abydos | jamesd: post that to /., mate. |
| 06:07.08 | philone | oh hey, so has anyone used the kde bluetooth tools? |
| 06:07.14 | jamesd | okay i'll submit it, of course /. and solaris doesn't get along... they will find a dozen reasons why it sucks. |
| 06:07.23 | grepper | http://phebehouse.dyndns.org/ksensors.jpg |
| 06:07.30 | grepper | that's both my boxes |
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| 06:07.38 | slayerbob | hiya marcusU |
| 06:07.40 | abydos | jamesd: I can find a dozen reasons why KDE sucks, but I refrain. |
| 06:07.43 | marcusU | hi slayerbob |
| 06:07.53 | marcusU | Ugh. I came at a bad time. :-( |
| 06:08.15 | slayerbob | YOU DID ? |
| 06:08.16 | slayerbob | :| |
| 06:08.16 | abydos | no, you didn't. |
| 06:08.25 | abydos | let me find my screenshot. |
| 06:08.28 | philone | grepper, you get other options it seems |
| 06:08.30 | Quinn_Storm | well my particular reason for liking kde is simple. I like options. |
| 06:08.39 | slayerbob | i like the magic kde pixies |
| 06:08.40 | grepper | philone: sorry ? |
| 06:08.50 | philone | just an observation... |
| 06:09.08 | grepper | well, for HD temp you need hddtemp installed |
| 06:09.08 | towlie | grepper, i cant install kdelibs |
| 06:09.09 | abydos | this one was taken quite a long time ago, but http://asittler.tegdesign.com/screenshots/allboxen.png |
| 06:09.19 | towlie | grepper can i pm you |
| 06:09.25 | abydos | I was basically showing off my machines |
| 06:09.35 | marcusU | I just have a heat sensor on my hard drive. :-( |
| 06:09.49 | abydos | The actual website behind that looks like emacs too. |
| 06:09.54 | philone | wow, everybody has insane desktop configurations... |
| 06:09.55 | grepper | towlie: you did the rpm -e yet ? |
| 06:09.58 | towlie | yea |
| 06:10.04 | towlie | but i noticed something else |
| 06:10.17 | marcusU | I don't know if SCSI drives will report their temperature. |
| 06:10.19 | grepper | use the pastebin, I don't like pm |
| 06:10.24 | towlie | um |
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| 06:10.47 | Quinn_Storm | I do, philone? |
| 06:10.53 | abydos | Naturally, that screenshot was when I used KDE |
| 06:11.01 | philone | Quinn_Storm, I haven't seen yours |
| 06:11.45 | towlie | well when i do rpm -i kdelibs it reports kdebase conflicts |
| 06:11.55 | towlie | but kdebase depends on kdelibs |
| 06:12.21 | grepper | you removed the old kdebase ? |
| 06:12.28 | straw | rpm -q kdebase |
| 06:12.31 | towlie | no |
| 06:12.32 | Quinn_Storm | http://www.metascape.afraid.org/~quinn/snapshot1.jpg -should- work |
| 06:12.39 | towlie | its still there |
| 06:12.49 | towlie | but im on kde now |
| 06:12.57 | grepper | well, get out then :) |
| 06:13.02 | towlie | damn |
| 06:13.04 | straw | towlie: versions, please |
| 06:13.15 | towlie | im upgrading from kde 3.3 to 3.4 |
| 06:13.25 | grepper | probably you can do it from within kde, but not a bad idea to do it from fluxbox or somesuch |
| 06:13.31 | towlie | ok |
| 06:13.33 | marcusU | kopete doesn't like my msn login for some reason now. |
| 06:13.35 | straw | towlie: on what distro? |
| 06:13.42 | towlie | marcusU, thatsa bug with lopete |
| 06:13.48 | philone | Quinn_Storm, that's a pretty wide screen ya got there |
| 06:13.48 | towlie | fedora core 3 |
| 06:13.53 | slayerbob | awww man |
| 06:13.54 | Quinn_Storm | philone: yeah, 2 monitors :-P |
| 06:13.55 | towlie | thats hwy im upgrading in the first place |
| 06:13.57 | towlie | why |
| 06:14.02 | slayerbob | now i am missing my dual monitors :( |
| 06:14.06 | towlie | you need kde 3.4 for the new version of kopete |
| 06:14.12 | marcusU | towlie: Well, I had a problem like this before, and deleting the msn account in kopete's config file fixed it. |
| 06:14.17 | straw | towlie: http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/strawman/kde-org.repo |
| 06:14.20 | marcusU | towlie: Uh, I'm using KDE 3.4. |
| 06:14.39 | towlie | i know |
| 06:14.41 | towlie | im on kde 3.3 |
| 06:14.43 | towlie | brb |
| 06:14.43 | physos | marcusU: try #kopete, I think thats a known problem. |
| 06:14.47 | towlie | im gonna remove kde |
| 06:14.52 | straw | towlie: drop that in /etc/yum.repos.d |
| 06:15.03 | straw | towlie: then yum update |
| 06:15.19 | towlie | well ive already got the kde binaries |
| 06:15.27 | grepper | towlie: yes, remove the old packages that show as conflicts |
| 06:15.27 | towlie | rpms i mean |
| 06:15.30 | marcusU | Ugh. I bought a new distro so I could avoid compiling everything from source, physos |
| 06:15.31 | towlie | ok |
| 06:15.38 | towlie | be back |
| 06:15.38 | straw | towlie: are you on dial up? |
| 06:15.40 | towlie | no |
| 06:15.41 | towlie | dsl |
| 06:15.47 | towlie | but it takes a little while |
| 06:15.51 | physos | marcusU: heh, perheaps it is fixed there already? |
| 06:15.59 | grepper | rpm has switches to ignore deps when removing as well |
| 06:16.01 | marcusU | physos: It's fixed in svn, but not in my distro. |
| 06:16.02 | abydos | bleh, I need to get this screenshot on a webserver |
| 06:16.05 | physos | marcusU: I am not using kopete with MSN. |
| 06:16.11 | philone | http://www.treochat.net/misc/snapshot1.png |
| 06:16.12 | straw | towlie: then just use the .repo i offered. it'll be much easier |
| 06:16.13 | marcusU | physos: I'm lost. |
| 06:16.15 | philone | wow, that took too much effort |
| 06:16.19 | marcusU | rpm --nodeps is nice. |
| 06:16.26 | philone | stupid permissions problems accross the network |
| 06:16.38 | straw | --nodeps is arse |
| 06:16.59 | Quinn_Storm | --nodeps is...well...should be stupid, but rpm distros tend to be so broken that instead its necessary |
| 06:17.10 | marcusU | Sometimes it's a necessarily evil, such as when you've compiled from source instead of installing the RPM. |
| 06:17.10 | straw | no, never |
| 06:17.28 | straw | use --justdb for that |
| 06:17.32 | grepper | Quinn_Storm: well, using it for removal is a bit better than using it for installing :) |
| 06:17.42 | grepper | as you are going to remove those anyway |
| 06:17.49 | abydos | http://linuxmitosis.com/screenshots/ss3.png |
| 06:17.56 | marcusU | Oh well. I just do what I have to. |
| 06:18.01 | abydos | my most-current desktop |
| 06:18.20 | Quinn_Storm | I still don't have my kickers set up to my complete liking |
| 06:18.28 | philone | apparently I'm the most boring one here |
| 06:18.28 | grepper | nice ksensors theme |
| 06:18.36 | abydos | ty. |
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| 06:18.53 | Quinn_Storm | very glad I discovered reinhardt though, I love it compared to plastik/keramik |
| 06:19.00 | towlie | straw then do i just do yum update kde ? |
| 06:19.06 | Quinn_Storm | not to mention how much better it is than crystal |
| 06:19.12 | straw | god i'm in a miserable mood. :/ sorry all |
| 06:19.24 | straw | towlie: just yum update |
| 06:19.30 | abydos | see, yum update kde... too cryptic imo |
| 06:19.56 | abydos | apt-get update && apt-get install kdebase :) |
| 06:20.19 | towlie | im almost tempted to remove kde altogether |
| 06:20.23 | towlie | if this doesnt work .... |
| 06:20.37 | abydos | don't. Even I keep KDE around in case some upgrade breaks gnome |
| 06:20.40 | straw | towlie: it'll work |
| 06:20.54 | grepper | abydos: how did you get the font colour to change ? |
| 06:21.04 | abydos | in ksensors? |
| 06:21.10 | grepper | yeah |
| 06:21.15 | towlie | so is it safe to delete the rpms i already downloaded |
| 06:21.21 | abydos | on the panels configuration, in the colors area |
| 06:21.30 | abydos | the drop-down that says background by default |
| 06:21.41 | abydos | there's a title, and a value entry |
| 06:21.41 | straw | towlie: yup |
| 06:21.44 | abydos | those change the font color |
| 06:21.47 | grepper | duh |
| 06:21.50 | towlie | rpms are so damn frustrating |
| 06:21.50 | grepper | :P |
| 06:22.07 | straw | towlie: not once you're used to it |
| 06:22.18 | abydos | is that a duh of "oh I feel stupid" or a duh of "thank you blatant boy |
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| 06:22.55 | abydos | or even a duh of somewhere in between |
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| 06:24.03 | grepper | abydos: a "wait 30 seconds before asking dumb questions, duh" |
| 06:24.15 | abydos | grepper: Ah, I quite understand. |
| 06:24.23 | grepper | now, about font size . . . |
| 06:24.26 | philone | heh... I missed the check box |
| 06:24.36 | abydos | I don't think you can even change the size. |
| 06:24.41 | abydos | Believe me, I tried. |
| 06:25.04 | grepper | mine is difficult to read |
| 06:25.06 | abydos | I think it has to do with the size of the tiles. But what bugs me is you can actually stack the panels. |
| 06:25.10 | abydos | oh, mine is too. |
| 06:25.24 | abydos | the color helps, though. |
| 06:25.40 | philone | I decided I don't have enough space for ksensors... |
| 06:26.06 | philone | down to about 1.75" x .25" of available space now... |
| 06:26.14 | abydos | kweather is useful. |
| 06:26.17 | grepper | really ? my mobo, cpu and 2 hd's temps take up 1" square in the tray on the panel |
| 06:26.20 | abydos | so is gweather. |
| 06:26.20 | philone | yes it is |
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| 06:26.26 | grepper | less really |
| 06:26.34 | philone | my bar is really thin |
| 06:26.41 | grepper | size doesn't matter |
| 06:26.42 | abydos | sadly, mine doesn't dock into the bar. |
| 06:27.00 | philone | I wish I could just get some digit only readouts |
| 06:27.48 | abydos | blimey, there's a load monitor for gnome bars |
| 06:27.51 | Pupeno | Does anybody has a good explanation why a firewall/masquerader work perfectly well with firestarter while with guarddog/guidedog works well as long as I access the services thru telnet (telnet somewhere 25, telnet somewhere 110, etc) or dig, but all KDE applications fail to access internet (Konqueror, Kontact) ? |
| 06:28.21 | grepper | seems to fit nicely here into "small" size panel |
| 06:28.29 | grepper | just tried changing it |
| 06:28.34 | philone | yeah... gnome has been quite tempting... |
| 06:29.03 | philone | on my previous distro I used the gnome bluetooth tools within kde... |
| 06:29.25 | abydos | Gnome is pretty decent, but the use of gconf irks me |
| 06:29.25 | philone | I'm reluctant to install gnome just for that though now... |
| 06:29.44 | philone | and kdebluetooth keeps having compile probs |
| 06:29.45 | abydos | smacks of a registry, and that bothers me. |
| 06:29.56 | slayerbob | lol |
| 06:30.02 | slayerbob | yeah it bothered me too :P |
| 06:30.16 | abydos | I prefer having all the config options on the dialog, or at least on a central control area |
| 06:30.38 | slayerbob | i prefer having nice config files to edit :) |
| 06:30.42 | abydos | have you looked at rhythmbox's configuration dialog lately? |
| 06:30.44 | straw | ah, the dumbing down of gnome |
| 06:30.58 | abydos | there're 3 tabs. |
| 06:31.07 | grepper | abydos: you can be a power user and edit the registry to change how your file manager opens windows ! |
| 06:31.11 | abydos | the general tab controls which columns are visible. |
| 06:31.22 | abydos | oh god, don't even get me started on spatial organization |
| 06:31.55 | grepper | its spacial is special |
| 06:32.04 | abydos | ugh. |
| 06:32.09 | abydos | one of the most worthless features ever |
| 06:32.28 | abydos | It hasn't been used in any operating environment since Windows 95 for a reason, stupids. |
| 06:32.36 | abydos | besides the legacy Mac OS anyway |
| 06:32.50 | grepper | my brother still uses legacy mac, and swears by it |
| 06:32.59 | abydos | I have 2 legacy Macs. |
| 06:33.00 | slayerbob | you mean at it surely ? |
| 06:33.07 | slayerbob | :P |
| 06:33.07 | grepper | heh |
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| 06:33.35 | abydos | a Quadra, and a PPC-based mac. The Quadra kicks some serious PC ass. |
| 06:33.37 | grepper | how having 6 windows open is more "convenient" I"ll never figure out |
| 06:33.58 | abydos | The PPC-based mac is worthless if you want to get anything done but stare at loading windows |
| 06:34.25 | abydos | The Quadra is one of those old dos-compatible macs, too. I can run Windows and MacOS on the same machine at the same time! |
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| 06:34.38 | slayerbob | maybe apple thinks that waiting for stuff to load is therapeutic |
| 06:34.44 | brianw_xvnc | hello all, I am now in a kde box :) |
| 06:34.45 | abydos | Thought* |
| 06:35.11 | abydos | OSX is lightning fast, on the right hardware |
| 06:35.26 | grepper | I don't do that much anymore with this xp2900+ |
| 06:36.00 | grepper | though OO.o still takes 9 secs cold start |
| 06:36.05 | abydos | Blimey! |
| 06:36.16 | abydos | OO.o doesn't even take that long on my machine! |
| 06:36.18 | brianw_xvnc | grepper, 2.0 beta is faster |
| 06:36.29 | grepper | not really an issue as if I used it a lot I"d use the quickstart applet which takes ~1 sec |
| 06:36.51 | grepper | 2.5 secs cached |
| 06:36.51 | abydos | But the quickstart eats a crapton of RAM though. |
| 06:36.58 | grepper | not really, actually |
| 06:37.03 | abydos | BLIMEY, I'm still running 1.1!!! |
| 06:37.14 | marcusU | I have some fast hard drives, but slow CPU. |
| 06:37.19 | abydos | If I used it, that would be a big deal, hehe |
| 06:37.48 | marcusU | I like my Maxtor Atlas 15K II. |
| 06:37.55 | grepper | robert 20898 1.0 1.2 23008 13172 ? S 02:37 0:00 oooqs |
| 06:38.06 | grepper | so 1.2 % |
| 06:38.12 | abydos | I like my WD 160GB HD. |
| 06:38.13 | grepper | then again, I have a gig of ram |
| 06:38.18 | abydos | so do I. |
| 06:38.29 | marcusU | Oh well. I'm poor. :-( |
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| 06:38.46 | straw | towlie: how goes the upgrade? |
| 06:38.53 | abydos | For some reason whenever I ran it on this machine (under KDE of course) the entire thing would lag down like it was trying to OD on THC |
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| 06:39.06 | grepper | abydos: how long does it take on your machine to load ? |
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| 06:39.18 | abydos | OOo 1.1 takes <4 seconds |
| 06:39.31 | abydos | I haven't bothered to get 1.9 because I honestly don't need it |
| 06:39.46 | slayerbob | 1.9 ? |
| 06:39.49 | slayerbob | when did that come out ? |
| 06:40.05 | abydos | grepper was talking about it, I don't know that it has. |
| 06:40.10 | slayerbob | ah i see it is a beta still :P |
| 06:40.10 | brianw_xvnc | 2.0 beta |
| 06:40.10 | grepper | abydos: that is cold start after a reboot ? |
| 06:40.19 | abydos | the quickstarter isn't running. |
| 06:40.27 | abydos | if that's what you mean. |
| 06:40.37 | grepper | but you hadn't used it yet ? |
| 06:40.41 | grepper | ie. nothing in ram ? |
| 06:40.46 | abydos | not since I'd stopped the machine last. |
| 06:40.59 | grepper | seems a bit fast |
| 06:41.06 | abydos | Then again, it's 1.1. |
| 06:41.10 | grepper | that's oowriter ? |
| 06:41.13 | abydos | yeah. |
| 06:41.18 | grepper | wow |
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| 06:41.25 | abydos | oopresent takes about 7, last I recall. |
| 06:41.28 | grepper | what machine do you have ? |
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| 06:41.42 | abydos | 1200MHz Celly with a gig of RAM and about 180gb of disk storage |
| 06:41.56 | abydos | and about... |
| 06:41.59 | slayerbob | sounds like my router |
| 06:42.11 | abydos | 500 megs ram used up, according to ksensors |
| 06:42.13 | grepper | damn |
| 06:42.24 | grepper | 1500k raptors ? |
| 06:42.25 | brianw_xvnc | slayerbob, big storage for a router :) |
| 06:42.29 | abydos | No. |
| 06:42.38 | grepper | strange |
| 06:42.47 | slayerbob | brianw_xvnc: it is handy to have storage on a machine that is always here |
| 06:42.47 | abydos | The drive OOo loads off of is a Samsung SV20001h |
| 06:42.56 | grepper | maybe debian builds debugging stuff into it that slows it down |
| 06:42.57 | slayerbob | it also functions as a fileserver and web server etc |
| 06:43.10 | abydos | probably either a 7800 or a 5400 rpm hard drive, and IDE |
| 06:43.15 | abydos | uh... I run debian... |
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| 06:43.45 | abydos | It's ata133 though, that might make a slight difference. |
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| 06:44.00 | slayerbob | hiya lauri |
| 06:44.05 | slayerbob | you're up early today :P |
| 06:44.18 | grepper | ah, the sv20001h is probably 10x faster than the sv2001h :) |
| 06:44.31 | abydos | crap, I meant 2001 |
| 06:44.36 | grepper | :P |
| 06:44.48 | grepper | abydos: yeah, mine is ata100 |
| 06:44.52 | abydos | I was thinking samsung built some semblence of sanity into their numbering scheme |
| 06:44.57 | grepper | still, 54 MB/s |
| 06:45.01 | abydos | like having the number of gigs into it |
| 06:45.08 | abydos | how do you benchmark hd performance? |
| 06:45.16 | abydos | bonnie? |
| 06:45.16 | grepper | hdparm -t /dev/hda |
| 06:45.33 | grepper | bonnie I've tried, but can't make heads or tails out of it |
| 06:45.35 | grepper | bonnie++ |
| 06:45.55 | abydos | benchmarking. |
| 06:46.03 | abydos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.22 | abydos | That's with a shit-ton of stuff going on in the background. |
| 06:46.26 | grepper | no way |
| 06:46.29 | abydos | probably causing lots of disk access. |
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| 06:46.37 | grepper | and oo.o loads in 4 secs ? |
| 06:46.38 | abydos | ok, how bout this. |
| 06:46.39 | grepper | damn |
| 06:46.46 | abydos | I'll kill all OO.o related processes |
| 06:46.54 | abydos | that'll be like a cold start |
| 06:46.58 | grepper | not really |
| 06:47.06 | grepper | its cached in ram |
| 06:47.31 | abydos | well, I'll time it anyway. |
| 06:47.35 | slayerbob | just unplug the ram |
| 06:47.37 | slayerbob | </wilf> |
| 06:47.45 | slayerbob | sorry |
| 06:47.48 | slayerbob | had to |
| 06:47.53 | grepper | slayerbob: CONFIG_HOTPLUG_RAM=y |
| 06:47.55 | lauri | usually I say run oo.o to flush the ram |
| 06:47.57 | slayerbob | don't know what came over me :P |
| 06:47.59 | slayerbob | LOL grepper |
| 06:48.01 | abydos | Friggin' A. |
| 06:48.04 | abydos | 9 seconds. |
| 06:48.04 | lauri | but that ain't gonna work |
| 06:48.04 | slayerbob | LOL lauri |
| 06:48.13 | abydos | It seemed like 4... |
| 06:48.15 | abydos | honest. |
| 06:48.21 | straw | heh |
| 06:48.26 | abydos | I was timing from the time the splashscreen showed up. |
| 06:48.27 | lauri | that's cos they have a pretty splash screen |
| 06:48.46 | abydos | /dev/hdb: |
| 06:48.46 | abydos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.47 | grepper | abydos: do you work for Sun ? |
| 06:48.48 | lauri | usability 101 - if you're taking too long, show pretty pulsating stuff so it doesn't seem like it |
| 06:49.00 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 06:49.03 | grepper | abydos: you have a rigged way of timing things |
| 06:49.06 | abydos | grepper: No, I'm too young to have been hired by them. |
| 06:49.09 | straw | mmm... shiny |
| 06:49.11 | slayerbob | is that why kde seems so snappy lauri ? :P |
| 06:49.14 | lauri | well, actually it's about the perception of activity |
| 06:49.25 | grepper | you time from when you click the icon or hit enter |
| 06:49.25 | lauri | slayerbob: turn off the KDE splash screen |
| 06:49.34 | abydos | grepper: Sorry.\ |
| 06:49.46 | lauri | tell me KDE doesn't seem to take longer to load, even though in reality it's actually loading slightly faster, since it doesn't have to load up the splash screen |
| 06:49.54 | lauri | it's a very well observed effect :) |
| 06:49.54 | slayerbob | lauri: i would only see that if i rebooted X :P |
| 06:49.59 | grepper | interesting idea though, I wonder if disabling the splash does anything |
| 06:50.01 | slayerbob | or logged out or something |
| 06:50.14 | abydos | /dev/hdc: |
| 06:50.14 | abydos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.17 | lauri | grepper: yes, it makes it load faster, yet seem to take longer |
| 06:50.17 | abydos | wow. |
| 06:50.25 | grepper | heh |
| 06:50.26 | abydos | the 160gb HD is slower than the 25 |
| 06:50.41 | grepper | lauri: the power of misdirection, magicians use it all the time :) |
| 06:50.49 | straw | abydos: that's not a good benchmark really |
| 06:50.51 | lauri | grepper: indeed |
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| 06:51.18 | grepper | kde loads in 9 secs for me from login screen, so I'm not complaining |
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| 06:51.28 | lauri | http://people.fruitsalad.org/lauri/stuff/dicksize.pl <-- the only benchmark you ever need |
| 06:51.35 | lauri | (I wonder if that runs on linux) |
| 06:51.45 | abydos | gnome takes about 10 for me, but graphics performance takes less of a hit in gnome |
| 06:52.12 | lauri | I really couldn't care less how long things take to start, I don't start things very often |
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| 06:52.20 | abydos | in KDE I don't dare activate an openGL screensaver, the system lags up so badly I can't get out of it |
| 06:52.34 | lauri | I care how they perform once started, and that they don't deteriorate if open for a length of time |
| 06:52.36 | abydos | In Gnome it's more feasible to do so, because while it still lags slightly, it's not as bad. |
| 06:52.52 | Kryczek | abydos: what video card u have ? |
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| 06:53.10 | abydos | ugh. A Trident Cyberblade/i1 |
| 06:53.14 | straw | Undefined subroutine &main::Linux called at dicksize.pl line 48. |
| 06:53.19 | abydos | It's supposedly AGP. |
| 06:53.24 | Kryczek | never heard of that |
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| 06:53.29 | abydos | But it performs like a VESA card |
| 06:53.41 | abydos | if anyone remembers that pain in the ass. |
| 06:53.43 | Kryczek | abydos: and it probably doesnt have 3d acceleration drivers for linux, hence the lag |
| 06:53.45 | brianw | now I am out of console, in fvwm2 |
| 06:53.46 | abydos | whoop, language |
| 06:54.14 | abydos | Kryczek: It'd be good if that sentence stopped after the acceleration part. |
| 06:54.33 | abydos | Kryczek: It barely played movies under windows without chopping up |
| 06:54.39 | Kryczek | hah |
| 06:54.42 | Kryczek | how old is it ? |
| 06:54.49 | abydos | relatively new. |
| 06:54.53 | Kryczek | o_O |
| 06:54.58 | abydos | it's as old as celeron 1200mhz's. |
| 06:55.03 | Kryczek | where are you from ? |
| 06:55.07 | abydos | okay, so maybe I exxagerate a bit. |
| 06:55.29 | Kryczek | here the cheapest cards on the market are nothing less than previous GeForce's |
| 06:55.49 | abydos | The problem with this motherboard is. |
| 06:55.54 | abydos | It has no actual AGP slot. |
| 06:56.10 | abydos | The onboard graphics card purports to be AGP |
| 06:56.19 | Kryczek | ooh, onboard gfx |
| 06:56.22 | Kryczek | that sucks :) |
| 06:56.25 | abydos | but there is no physical AGP slot. So any expansion card has to be PCI. |
| 06:56.38 | Kryczek | abydos: not even PCI Express ? |
| 06:56.48 | abydos | New Radeon or GeForce cards are much more expensive in PCI |
| 06:56.58 | grepper | Undefined subroutine &main::Linux called at ./dicksize.pl line 48. |
| 06:57.00 | abydos | hehe, this machine is too old to have pci express |
| 06:57.14 | lauri | grepper: awww |
| 06:57.15 | abydos | It's at least a year old. |
| 06:57.20 | araizen | I just installed a kio package, and I'm wondering if anyone could give me a pointer as to where to look to figure out how to use it. |
| 06:57.31 | slayerbob | wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a motherboard with an agp slot than to buy a pci video card ? |
| 06:57.35 | abydos | kioslaves are usually configured in the kcontrol |
| 06:57.38 | slayerbob | usually is here in any case :P |
| 06:57.43 | grepper | sheesh, it can't even be measured |
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| 06:57.54 | slayerbob | wb marcusU |
| 06:57.54 | Kryczek | slayerbob: yeah but he just bought his mb |
| 06:57.54 | abydos | slayerbob: Well, yes, but when I can get a better graphics card in PCI for free... |
| 06:57.58 | marcusU | hi slayerbob |
| 06:57.59 | lauri | araizen: what kioslave? |
| 06:58.01 | abydos | no, actually, I didn't. |
| 06:58.07 | slayerbob | Kryczek: that'll learn him :P |
| 06:58.09 | lauri | araizen: and protocols in kinfocenter may help |
| 06:58.13 | abydos | I haven't swapped motherboards since I bought the machine |
| 06:58.18 | abydos | or rather, had it bought for me |
| 06:58.33 | Kryczek | a whole computer ? |
| 06:58.33 | abydos | money isn't thick on the ground here right now, I need a job |
| 06:58.34 | Kryczek | or separate parts |
| 06:58.40 | abydos | it was a prebuilt. |
| 06:58.43 | marcusU | I need a better job. |
| 06:58.44 | Kryczek | heh, who doesnt |
| 06:58.52 | abydos | but there's barely anything left in it that came with the box |
| 06:58.53 | araizen | kionjb |
| 06:58.59 | araizen | where should I look in kcontrol? |
| 06:59.15 | Kryczek | marcusU: what's your current job ? |
| 06:59.23 | abydos | I forget where kio configs lie, I haven't used kde for going on 2 months |
| 06:59.33 | lauri | araizen: kinfocenter, which is not in kcontrol |
| 06:59.35 | slayerbob | marcusU: have you ever considered travelling the world ? |
| 07:00.05 | marcusU | Kryczek: I teach math at a community college part-time. None of the colleges are hiring full-time. (Not literally none, but for all practical purposes given the number of people applying for the few positions.) |
| 07:00.09 | lauri | araizen: look under protocols, but many third party ones don't install docs |
| 07:00.12 | abydos | oh right, I forgot about the protocols panel in kinfocenter. |
| 07:00.22 | marcusU | slayerbob: No. Why would I want to be miserable somewhere else when I can be miserable here for cheaper? |
| 07:00.28 | lauri | araizen: but if you tell *which* protocol, perhaps someone can answer you more specifically |
| 07:00.29 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 07:00.39 | slayerbob | marcusU: the point was that it would probably remove the misery :P |
| 07:00.44 | marcusU | No, it wouldn't. |
| 07:00.47 | abydos | I need a job of some type. |
| 07:00.50 | Kryczek | lauri: lol i didnt know about that kinfocenter, nice tool! thx |
| 07:00.52 | araizen | it's kionjb, for connecting to a creative mp3 player |
| 07:00.52 | slayerbob | course it would :P |
| 07:01.09 | slayerbob | sell car, sell computer, quit job, buy flashy notebook and flashy camera, then just head off :P |
| 07:01.11 | araizen | I don't see any 'njb' protocol in kinfocenter, can I add a new protocol somhow? |
| 07:01.11 | lauri | araizen: well, if it installs docs, you will find them there |
| 07:01.21 | abydos | But it doesn't help that my family's name is mud in most of the surrounding communities, due to something that was done long long long ago that noone remembers anyway |
| 07:01.50 | lauri | araizen: if it doesn't... do they have a website? |
| 07:01.50 | marcusU | slayerbob: I don't own a car. |
| 07:01.50 | slayerbob | :| |
| 07:01.50 | slayerbob | what happened to your flashy car ? :| |
| 07:01.53 | marcusU | slayerbob: My parents own it. |
| 07:01.55 | araizen | apparently it doesn't |
| 07:02.02 | slayerbob | marcusU: so just don't tell them :P |
| 07:02.07 | marcusU | Anyway. |
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| 07:02.16 | abydos | I have rather a pile of junk car. A 1984 Mazda GLC with a smoking problem and more speakers than it really needs |
| 07:02.20 | slayerbob | dammit there is just non cheering him up sometimes |
| 07:02.22 | araizen | the website seems to be http://kionjb.sourceforge.net/ which is rather empty |
| 07:02.25 | slayerbob | well... ever really :( |
| 07:03.07 | lauri | araizen: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kionjb/ |
| 07:03.10 | abydos | Yeah, I'd say that's in competition for most empty ever website. |
| 07:03.21 | lauri | couple of (dead) mailing lists, and at least maybe you can find an email address to ask for help there |
| 07:03.25 | araizen | lauri: i found that, and there's not much more there either |
| 07:03.52 | abydos | araizen: check in the tarball for a readme |
| 07:05.07 | abydos | I'd do so but my /home has less than 90 megabytes free space |
| 07:06.01 | lauri | I'd write that ace jones guy, he seems to be the maintainer now |
| 07:06.02 | araizen | lauri: yes, I had tried that, and it does a google search. Actually, the readme does say to do that, but as I said konq just does a google search |
| 07:06.16 | abydos | ... |
| 07:06.21 | abydos | did you try uhh |
| 07:06.23 | lauri | did you restart (all) konqueror instances |
| 07:06.27 | abydos | yeah that |
| 07:06.40 | lauri | abydos: if you have nothing useful to say, how about you go somewhere else adn not say it |
| 07:06.52 | abydos | I would have said that, honest. |
| 07:06.58 | abydos | but you beat me to it. |
| 07:07.02 | lauri | araizen: is it showing up at all in kinfocenter? if it's installed correctly, it would be there (just without docs) |
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| 07:07.08 | bline | sup |
| 07:07.26 | araizen | even restarted konq. it's not showing up in kinfocenter at all |
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| 07:07.50 | lauri | then it's either not properly installed, or it's not being detected by KDE |
| 07:07.54 | lauri | open a terminal |
| 07:07.56 | lauri | run kbuildsycoca |
| 07:07.59 | lauri | (not as root) |
| 07:08.09 | lauri | run kinfocenter out of the same terminal when it's done |
| 07:08.16 | lauri | see if it's showing up there now |
| 07:08.46 | bline | anyone doing any work on kde4? |
| 07:08.56 | bline | anyone here, i mean. |
| 07:09.07 | abydos | bline: I'd probably ask that inside #kde-devel |
| 07:09.17 | bline | ahh, thanks abydos |
| 07:09.21 | abydos | But that's just me. |
| 07:09.33 | araizen | lauri: it's still not showing up in kinfocenter |
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| 07:11.17 | araizen | is it possible I might have to restart kde? |
| 07:11.41 | abydos | Kbuildsycoca should have simulated that. |
| 07:12.09 | lauri | well, not really |
| 07:12.38 | lauri | check that it's actually registered as installed in your package registry |
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| 07:12.48 | abydos | The package is a tarball. |
| 07:12.58 | lauri | then check you installed it to the same prefix as the rest of KDE |
| 07:13.05 | lauri | or if you did not, that both paths are in $KDEDIRS |
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| 07:14.40 | araizen | how can I tell what prefix KDE is installed to? |
| 07:14.55 | araizen | $KDEDIRS I suppose, nevermind |
| 07:14.58 | abydos | export $kdedirs? |
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| 07:17.14 | lauri | KDEDIRS (it's case sensitive) |
| 07:17.29 | lauri | and kde-config --prefix will tell you |
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| 07:21.56 | slayerbob | hiya sredna |
| 07:22.06 | sredna | Hello slayerbob, * |
| 07:22.32 | araizen | there are a bunch of *.protocol files in /usr/share/services, but kionjb put its file njb.protocol in /usr/local/kde/share/services/ |
| 07:22.36 | araizen | can I just move it? |
| 07:23.07 | lauri | is this debian? |
| 07:23.19 | araizen | mandrake 10.0 |
| 07:23.51 | lauri | try setting KDEDIRS to have /usr:/usr/local/kde and re-run kbuildsycoca |
| 07:24.13 | lauri | I suspect just moving the protocol file won't do much, if it's actually installed to a different prefix |
| 07:24.23 | lauri | or make uninstall, reconfigure with the right prefix, and reinstall |
| 07:25.01 | araizen | by that, you mean ./configure --prefix=/usr ? |
| 07:25.15 | abydos | yes, that's what she means. |
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| 07:25.26 | araizen | okay, let me try that |
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| 07:30.13 | slayerbob | hiya canllaith_pb |
| 07:31.24 | araizen | looks like it works. thanks a lot lauri, and everyone else |
| 07:32.02 | canllaith_pb | Hey hey |
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| 07:34.35 | kendrick | mm.. peanut butter |
| 07:35.53 | slayerbob | omg :| |
| 07:36.00 | slayerbob | my cheese sauce is like all non-lumpy |
| 07:36.07 | slayerbob | and i did it the speedy way :D |
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| 07:37.10 | tremere | is there anything in the works to create a virtual desktop system where the kicker/panels displays icons depending on which virtual desktop is selected? |
| 07:38.26 | Pupeno | Was FLAC support dropped from KDE Audio CD ? |
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| 07:41.19 | marcusU | Hi |
| 07:45.23 | tremere | hey |
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| 07:45.41 | boci^ | re |
| 07:46.21 | tremere | any KDE dev's here? |
| 07:46.56 | boci^ | I have a multimedia keyboard, and I want to do a volume control |
| 07:47.30 | boci^ | because If I turn on/off the sound kmix started and turn on/off the Headphone device, because I want to turn on/off the "front" device |
| 07:47.37 | boci^ | How Can I do this? |
| 07:47.48 | tremere | huh? |
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| 07:48.56 | doleyb | boci^: try the lineakd program. |
| 07:49.23 | doleyb | boci^: you can put a link to lineakd in ~/.kde/Autostart for example, but first you must configure it with your keyboard type. goggle it. |
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| 07:52.21 | boci^ | doleyb: thnx, it's overwrite the kde settings? |
| 07:52.38 | boci^ | (The kmix automaticaly started when I mute/unmute ...) |
| 07:53.16 | doleyb | i don't know what it would overwrite. I don't think you really need to run kmix at all, most of the time. |
| 07:53.50 | doleyb | You might have to look in the kde keymappings for that. |
| 07:53.58 | boci^ | doleyb: it ¶ start automaticaly.. |
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| 08:04.08 | towlie_ | hey |
| 08:04.22 | towlie_ | is anyone who i was talking to here earlier still here |
| 08:05.24 | towlie_ | kde 3.4 is nice.. |
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| 08:06.27 | slayerbob | yup it certainly is |
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| 08:07.47 | boci^ | intereesting.. |
| 08:07.58 | boci^ | I need to change the master output device... |
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| 08:13.04 | towlie_ | slayerbob, i like the way it organizes the windows in the taskbar |
| 08:14.17 | towlie_ | i just finished upgrading it like 5 minutes ago so i havent seen any other noticeable differences yet ... |
| 08:14.49 | towlie_ | it seems like its more efficient on memory and runs faster |
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| 08:23.42 | slayerbob | mmmm nachos |
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| 08:27.16 | mustasj | morning all |
| 08:28.38 | slayerbob | hiya mustasj |
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| 10:05.44 | adn | hello people! |
| 10:06.22 | adn | does somebody know where I can find stats (with figures) about the use of KDE among users? Are there any "official" ones? |
| 10:06.36 | adn | to compare how many people are using it in comparison with other Desktops |
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| 10:08.08 | jamesconf | what is a good video player |
| 10:08.16 | Tm_T | mnplayer |
| 10:08.18 | Tm_T | -n |
| 10:08.26 | Tm_T | or Kplayer |
| 10:08.38 | jamesconf | kde video player I should, I know mplayer well |
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| 10:09.03 | Tm_T | kplayer.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:09.06 | marcusU | There are at least 2 KDE GUI wrappers for mplayer.... kplayer and kmplayer |
| 10:09.20 | jamesconf | ok |
| 10:09.23 | marcusU | To me, they're just not useful. |
| 10:09.31 | marcusU | I'd rather just use mplayer. |
| 10:09.36 | jamesconf | thought I would give them a try |
| 10:09.48 | marcusU | I just don't see the point. |
| 10:10.51 | Tm_T | "mplayer /dev/hdc" and whoa, dvd is playing :o |
| 10:11.08 | Tm_T | or maybe I should clicketi click couple minutes instead |
| 10:11.09 | marcusU | Okay. How exciting. Not. |
| 10:11.12 | jamesconf | congrats, see you learned on to use mplayer |
| 10:11.16 | Tm_T | =) |
| 10:11.31 | Tm_T | it was an example why you don't need a gui ;) |
| 10:12.09 | marcusU | Okay. |
| 10:12.40 | marcusU | kplayer and maybe kmplayer can also embedded in webpages in Konqueror, but I can't play videos in realtime, so it's useless to me. |
| 10:13.12 | marcusU | In realtime, meaning streaming. |
| 10:13.27 | Tm_T | yeah, they maybe play |
| 10:14.02 | marcusU | I always end up having to look for the URI of the stream/file in "View Source" and then use mplayer/mencoder from the command line to download the video. |
| 10:17.30 | adn | jamesconf: or vlc media player |
| 10:17.33 | adn | videolan.org |
| 10:17.47 | Tm_T | or kaffeine (if it works) |
| 10:17.57 | Tm_T | there is always IF ;p |
| 10:18.01 | marcusU | vlc? |
| 10:18.06 | adn | Tm_T: :) |
| 10:18.59 | adn | there is a kvlc GUI |
| 10:19.07 | adn | but not so well maintained... |
| 10:19.18 | adn | but the player is great |
| 10:19.53 | haltdef | i don't like having a gui with mplayer, i prefer using the keyboard |
| 10:19.57 | haltdef | quicker :P |
| 10:20.10 | marcusU | adn: That project seems like it's aimed at the opposite of what I need. I can't handle streaming video. |
| 10:20.13 | jamesconf | funny think kaffein and kvideo will not install one reason or another. dran, ther goes my quest to find a GUI media player |
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| 10:20.21 | jamesconf | s/thin/thing |
| 10:20.21 | marcusU | jamesconf: Don't bother. |
| 10:20.28 | adn | marcusU: it is not only aimed at streaming |
| 10:20.42 | adn | local play is possible |
| 10:20.46 | marcusU | adn: Their summary seems to indicate that streaming is the main focus. |
| 10:20.49 | adn | and that is why vlc is famous |
| 10:20.54 | marcusU | What is vlc? |
| 10:21.01 | adn | marcusU: I worked for this project ;) |
| 10:21.16 | marcusU | How is it any better than mplayer? |
| 10:21.27 | adn | let us say equivalent |
| 10:21.38 | adn | but some things not read in mplayer are in vlc |
| 10:21.42 | marcusU | Oh, but I already have mplayer, so there's no need. |
| 10:21.49 | adn | marcusU: agree |
| 10:21.53 | marcusU | There is nothing that I need that mplayer doesn't do. |
| 10:22.03 | adn | marcusU: so that is cool :) |
| 10:22.16 | marcusU | :-( Life just sucks. |
| 10:22.26 | adn | erf |
| 10:22.32 | adn | marcusU: why? |
| 10:22.33 | Tm_T | you suck more? |
| 10:22.35 | Tm_T | ;p |
| 10:22.49 | marcusU | Tm_T: I'm told that I give good head, yes. |
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| 10:56.57 | Rv` | hi |
| 10:57.06 | Rv` | anybody using s/mime under Kmail ?. |
| 10:58.40 | adn | good day everyone |
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| 10:59.12 | thiago | no, just OpenPGP/MIME |
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| 11:39.21 | termo | ho |
| 11:44.54 | sredna | Hi termo |
| 11:45.08 | Tm_T | hi kids |
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| 11:55.29 | lauri | anyone know if albert astals cid comes on irc much |
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| 12:06.34 | Beineri | lauri: uhm, yes. daily? |
| 12:06.50 | lauri | Beineri: what nick? aacid? |
| 12:07.23 | Beineri | lauri: TSDgeos (~tsdgeos@aacid.kde) |
| 12:07.47 | lauri | thanks :) |
| 12:08.48 | Tm_T | :) |
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| 12:22.17 | Tm_T | people? where? |
| 12:22.37 | ermes | hihihi |
| 12:22.46 | ermes | sooy |
| 12:22.49 | ermes | *sorry |
| 12:23.03 | ermes | :P |
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| 12:24.24 | Tm_T | -s |
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| 12:25.50 | Seeker | hi |
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| 13:24.26 | thandavarayan | I have problem in starting kde. |
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| 13:24.47 | thandavarayan | Splash screens just hangs at "Initilizing peripherals" |
| 13:24.55 | thandavarayan | after that nothing... |
| 13:25.02 | thandavarayan | it does not proceed |
| 13:25.10 | thandavarayan | Kde version is 3.4 |
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| 13:25.26 | thandavarayan | can anybody help why |
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| 13:27.32 | metalfan | hi |
| 13:27.57 | metalfan | is the winpopup protocol in kdenetwors 3.4.0 kopete? |
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| 13:44.11 | lucke | guys. does any of you use gamin with konqueror/KDE without any quirks? |
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| 13:55.21 | Tm_T | gamin? |
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| 13:56.05 | Tm_T | lucke: ah, now I got it |
| 13:56.06 | lucke | Tm_T, you know, that fam's replacement. |
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| 14:02.24 | Zoohouse | Hello everyone. Where does my Kcaladar and Kontacts save its information? The path to these two apps. |
| 14:02.52 | Zoohouse | i am using KDE 3.3 and MDK 10.1 |
| 14:03.08 | Zoohouse | I mean Mandrake 10.2 |
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| 14:04.51 | lucke | .kde/share/apps/korganizer/? |
| 14:04.53 | nick01 | why isn't there any KDE 3.4 subversion yet ? will the next one be 4.0 ? |
| 14:06.06 | Zoohouse | lucke: my goal is to back up both of these |
| 14:06.32 | Zoohouse | To what format should I export these to? |
| 14:07.05 | physos | nick01: ???? |
| 14:07.23 | physos | nick01: there will be a 3.5 |
| 14:07.26 | lucke | i'm not using those, but there should be some export functionality built-in those O_o |
| 14:07.42 | nick01 | oh |
| 14:07.44 | nick01 | k |
| 14:07.59 | physos | nick01: it is developed in trunk/KDE as all the docs clearly said ever since the conversion. |
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| 14:08.16 | dirtbag666 | Salve. |
| 14:08.25 | physos | nick01: KDE4 development happening in work/ |
| 14:08.40 | physos | nick01: check out websvn.kde.org for the new structure. |
| 14:08.54 | dirtbag666 | does anyone know where to go for help with KMail? Nobody's in #kmail |
| 14:08.58 | nick01 | tks |
| 14:09.18 | physos | dirtbag666: kdepim-users@kde.org ? |
| 14:09.26 | thandavarayan | I built kde 3.4 today, and when I start the startkde script, it hangs. |
| 14:09.45 | thandavarayan | hangs at initilizing peripherals |
| 14:09.54 | thandavarayan | I dont know why,,, any idea |
| 14:10.04 | dirtbag666 | physos: isn't there an IRC channel for Kmail? |
| 14:10.41 | physos | dirtbag666: There is #kontact, but that mainly devels, so do not expect an immediate anwser. |
| 14:10.50 | dirtbag666 | okay |
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| 14:22.22 | Sauron21 | hi...I was wondering how i could add a icon folder to kde?...I downloaded it from kde-look.org....its a .tgz file.....but when I try browse to it and add it....it tells me that "The file is not a valid theme icon file.".... |
| 14:22.28 | Sauron21 | any thoughts? |
| 14:23.31 | termo | Sauron21: no offence, but did you untar/gz the file? |
| 14:24.50 | Tm_T | :o |
| 14:25.33 | Sauron21 | non taken....but I have....and I get the same result when I try to add any of the folders inside the tgz file after untar...... |
| 14:26.08 | Sauron21 | so I thought maybe I have to manuely place the icons somewhere so they can be found by the system when looking for icons to use...... |
| 14:26.20 | lucke | you could just copy the files to $kdedir/share/icons |
| 14:26.27 | Sauron21 | is there a standard icon folder for kde? |
| 14:26.39 | lucke | $kdedir/share/icons/$themename/ |
| 14:27.23 | Sauron21 | could the $kdedir be $HOME./kde ? |
| 14:27.28 | lucke | yep |
| 14:27.46 | Sauron21 | because I have no "icon" folder in the share folder,.....do I have to make one..? |
| 14:27.46 | lucke | $home/.kde ;-) |
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| 14:28.08 | lucke | presumably O_o |
| 14:28.14 | Sauron21 | ok... |
| 14:29.00 | Sauron21 | its there now..... |
| 14:29.32 | Sauron21 | so where are all the other icon themes in kcontrol saved?? |
| 14:29.54 | lucke | just there. |
| 14:34.38 | lauri | $KDEDIR is where KDE is installed |
| 14:34.43 | lauri | $KDEHOME is ~/.kde |
| 14:34.59 | lauri | icon themes installed for all users are in one, icon themes installed per-user in kcontrol are in the latter |
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| 14:35.30 | lauri | (and $KDEDIR is really $KDEDIRS and can be multiple places, but kde-config --prefix will tell you where kdelibs (and usually most of the rest of KDE) is |
| 14:35.51 | jariep1_ | can someone help with enabling truetype fonts in konqueror |
| 14:36.11 | lauri | what part, exactly? |
| 14:36.25 | lauri | you install them, choose them in the konqueror config, and there they are |
| 14:36.53 | lauri | is the problem that you can't install them? or that they are not available in the config, or that you choose a particular font and it's not working? |
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| 14:38.39 | jariep1_ | I have Vera Bitstream fonts installed |
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| 14:38.47 | jariep1_ | ttf fonts |
| 14:39.09 | lauri | ok |
| 14:39.18 | jariep1_ | is it normal that they should look jagged? |
| 14:39.26 | lauri | if anti-aliasing is not enabled, yes |
| 14:39.45 | lauri | kcontrol -> appearance and themes -> fonts -> enable anti-aliasing |
| 14:40.09 | jariep1_ | ok |
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| 14:45.38 | ugenn | how can i get kde to use pcf fonts? |
| 14:46.02 | lauri | ugenn: install them correctly, I use pcf fonts in konsole |
| 14:46.21 | ugenn | lauri: how? fc-cache refuses to recognise them. |
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| 14:47.01 | lauri | it's certainly seeing mine |
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| 14:47.15 | lauri | is the path or it's parent in your fonts.conf? |
| 14:47.39 | lauri | and is the directory set up properly (with fonts.dir and all the stuff mkfontdir does) |
| 14:48.30 | ugenn | the path is in local.conf |
| 14:48.41 | ugenn | i mean fonts.conf. |
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| 14:50.28 | ugenn | there's a fonts.dir/fonts.cache-1/font.scale in the dir. |
| 14:50.58 | lauri | and you can see the fonts in xfontsel? |
| 14:52.05 | ugenn | yes, but not in the kde fonts menu |
| 14:52.07 | lauri | how did you install them? can you see *any* pcf fonts? |
| 14:52.44 | jariep1_ | lauri, do I need to logout and log back in for the changes to take effect... the reason I ask is because the control center seems to have truetype fonts whereas konqueror does not |
| 14:52.52 | lauri | ugenn: which kde fonts menu? is it a case of monospaced fonts not showing up in konsole's fonts choices? |
| 14:52.57 | jariep1_ | i'll wait |
| 14:53.01 | lauri | jariep1_: if you chose truetype fonts, everything will have truetype fonts |
| 14:53.10 | jariep1_ | but it doesn't |
| 14:53.16 | lauri | jariep1_: if you enabled anti-aliasing, then yes, only apps started since then will be antialiased |
| 14:53.16 | jariep1_ | only the control center does |
| 14:53.31 | lauri | you can identify the fonts by sight and tell they are not in ttf format? perhaps you can help ugenn |
| 14:53.33 | jariep1_ | I shut down konqueror and restarted and no change |
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| 14:54.14 | jariep1_ | that's why I mentioned that the control center has its menus in ttf fonts |
| 14:54.17 | lauri | restarting is probably the easiest way to do it |
| 14:54.22 | jariep1_ | but not konqueror |
| 14:54.31 | lauri | you mean it doesn't have anti-aliased fonts |
| 14:54.44 | jariep1_ | the fonts in konqueror are jagged |
| 14:54.51 | ugenn | lauri: the control center one. |
| 14:54.51 | lauri | which means they are not anti-aliased |
| 14:54.56 | jariep1_ | right |
| 14:55.09 | lauri | ok, you probably think I'm nitpicking, but terminology matters |
| 14:55.12 | ugenn | lauri: i can identify the fonts by name. |
| 14:55.12 | jariep1_ | anti aliased though is activated in control center |
| 14:55.45 | lauri | you should make an effort to get it right, because if you come back in an hour and I'm not here and start asking for help about truetype fonts you won't get anything near the answers you want (because you are asking the wrong thing) |
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| 14:56.33 | lauri | jariep1_: in any case, if your fonts look ok in kcontrol, you can as well restart KDE (it's the quickest and simplest way to get what you want) |
| 14:56.54 | jariep1_ | ok, will be back |
| 14:56.54 | lauri | ugenn: did you just install these, this session? |
| 14:57.06 | jariep1_ | thanks |
| 14:57.18 | ugenn | no, had this issue for some time. |
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| 14:59.03 | ugenn | wait, seems to work now. |
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| 14:59.31 | ugenn | can AA be disabled for fixed-width fonts? |
| 14:59.36 | jariep1_ | ok, it's working, lauri |
| 15:00.19 | jariep1_ | thanks |
| 15:00.42 | ugenn | but it still doesnt show in konsole's font menu? |
| 15:00.57 | jariep1_ | I had antialiased fonts disabled for certain sizes |
| 15:02.13 | jariep1_ | lauri, what is ugenn trying to do? |
| 15:02.43 | ugenn | jariep1_: use pcf fonts. |
| 15:02.51 | jariep1_ | oh, ok |
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| 15:04.38 | jariep1_ | well, for what I did, I went to control center -> sys admin -> font installer, first to install the fonms in kde |
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| 15:04.48 | ugenn | can AA be disabled just for fixed-width fonts? they look horrible. |
| 15:06.17 | jariep1_ | ugenn I have them installed and they look beautiful, that is the true type fonts |
| 15:06.22 | jariep1_ | fixed width |
| 15:06.32 | jariep1_ | wait |
| 15:06.38 | jariep1_ | let me make sure about that |
| 15:07.21 | ugenn | the sizes seem to be interpreted differently from windows. |
| 15:07.38 | jariep1_ | I'm using Bitstream Vera Sans Mono 13 |
| 15:07.42 | ugenn | +8 gives me pretty legible text on win, but they are really tiny in kde. |
| 15:07.45 | jariep1_ | with antialiasing turned on |
| 15:08.09 | ugenn | i'm trying to replicate the windows look on kde btw. |
| 15:08.16 | jariep1_ | oh ok |
| 15:08.35 | ugenn | MS Sans Serif monotype |
| 15:09.23 | jariep1_ | have you taken a look at the bitstream fonts? |
| 15:09.42 | jariep1_ | they are very professionally looking, very beautiful |
| 15:09.46 | jariep1_ | that is ttf fonts |
| 15:09.51 | jariep1_ | truetype |
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| 15:10.22 | jariep1_ | Let me see if I can install the fonts you are using |
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| 15:11.18 | Ixion83 | Hi :) Do you know how change the lateral pic when we click on menu K in the panel ? |
| 15:12.42 | jariep1_ | ugenn, how did you install the fonts? |
| 15:12.49 | jariep1_ | what package name? |
| 15:12.52 | ugenn | jariep1_: manually |
| 15:12.57 | jariep1_ | what URL? |
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| 15:13.07 | ugenn | what url? |
| 15:13.19 | jariep1_ | oh |
| 15:13.21 | jariep1_ | oops |
| 15:13.46 | jariep1_ | did you download them or are they no longer freely available? |
| 15:14.17 | jariep1_ | MS had some fonts freely available in the past |
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| 15:14.49 | jariep1_ | I don't have pcf fonts, or a recent version of windows |
| 15:15.00 | Ixion83 | Hi :) Do you know how change the lateral pic when we click on menu K in the panel ? |
| 15:15.16 | ugenn | jariep1_: i think it's called the MS core fonts or something. but my ms sans serif were manually converted from my windows .fon files |
| 15:15.38 | jariep1_ | that's what I was thinking |
| 15:15.46 | jariep1_ | ok |
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| 15:19.04 | covux | hi. how could i prevent that kmix reacts on xf86audio multimedia keys? thanks for any help |
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| 15:23.04 | Roey | hi! |
| 15:23.12 | Roey | http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=150379&cid=12608112 |
| 15:23.14 | Roey | whatcha think |
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| 15:24.02 | Roey | hey cartman |
| 15:24.09 | cartman | hiho Roey |
| 15:24.20 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.44 | Rv` | Does anybody know how to set up Kopete to auto-reconnect ? |
| 15:24.57 | Roey | http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=150379&cid=12608420 |
| 15:25.07 | Ixion83 | Hi :) Do you know how change the lateral pic when we click on menu K in the panel ? |
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| 15:33.13 | Ixion83 | There is a developper of KDE here please ? |
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| 15:34.21 | Ixion83 | There is a developer of KDE here please :) |
| 15:34.50 | pinotree | Ixion83: what do you need? how could we help you? |
| 15:35.38 | Ixion83 | How we can change the lateral pic of the Kmenu when we click on "K" in the panel ? |
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| 15:36.29 | pinotree | Ixion83: $KDEDIR/share/apps/kicker/pics/kside.png |
| 15:36.38 | pinotree | it should be that |
| 15:36.42 | Ixion83 | thanks pinotree !!!!!!!!! |
| 15:36.57 | Roey | Ixion83: :) |
| 15:37.10 | pinotree | Ixion83: it's a grey image, iirc it's coloured |
| 15:37.15 | pinotree | dinamically |
| 15:37.28 | Ixion83 | why grey ? |
| 15:37.39 | Ixion83 | but appears blue on kde |
| 15:37.43 | pinotree | perhaps to adapt to many colour scheme |
| 15:38.09 | Ixion83 | huuum must depend of the general theme |
| 15:38.15 | pinotree | Ixion83: you should a) look at kmenu code or b) ask to aseigo_afk :D |
| 15:38.32 | Ixion83 | huuuuum pinotree thanks a lot !!! :) |
| 15:38.42 | pinotree | np :) |
| 15:38.57 | Ixion83 | Sincerely thanks :) |
| 15:41.11 | k | wie hat die xmordmaprc zu heissen? .xmodmap, .xmodmaprc, .Xmodmap, .Xmodmaprc .. ich finde da irgendwie nichts..?! |
| 15:41.24 | pinotree | k: english, please |
| 15:41.34 | k | ouh... sorry. wrote it to the wrong channel |
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| 16:13.03 | Flendor | Hello. |
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| 16:18.03 | k | has some one an idea, how I have to name the xmodmaprc... or how ever it is called in my home-dir? |
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| 16:29.40 | lostmonk | what are kde mimetypes? |
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| 16:31.38 | _Fabi | hay alguien aki ?? |
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| 16:32.57 | lauri | this oughta be fun |
| 16:33.02 | lauri | we are moving #freebsd to ##freebsd |
| 16:33.26 | lauri | let the confusion begin :) |
| 16:33.33 | lostmonk | O_o |
| 16:33.36 | Tm_T | haha, why? =) |
| 16:34.37 | lauri | #<name> needs official backing |
| 16:34.45 | Tm_T | haha |
| 16:34.47 | lauri | ##<name> doesn't (although we more or less have it) |
| 16:34.50 | lostmonk | ikees |
| 16:35.00 | lauri | the freebsd foundation is not willing to sign on for an irc channel |
| 16:35.08 | Tm_T | lovely |
| 16:35.10 | lauri | it's no big deal, but oh my some people will make it one |
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| 16:35.29 | lauri | Tm_T: not really, it's not their purpose in any way |
| 16:35.54 | tjs57 | have freenode started enforcing that policy more actively? |
| 16:36.05 | lauri | well, we're setting a good example |
| 16:36.17 | Tm_T | :p |
| 16:36.20 | lauri | the previous owners of the channel left in the last freenode blowup, on very bad terms |
| 16:36.30 | lauri | it's been officially owned by freenode staff since then |
| 16:36.43 | lauri | so this is our chance to get it back into community hands, and prove we can behave ourselves :) |
| 16:37.14 | lauri | (ironically, one of the conditions is that *we* enforce the channel guidelnes more strictly) |
| 16:37.27 | lauri | so I now have official backing for kicking out hte gpl vs bsd license wars :) |
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| 16:39.08 | Flendor | :D |
| 16:39.10 | Flendor | Hello lauri.. |
| 16:39.25 | Flendor | ..something similar happened to #slackware. It's ##slackware now. |
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| 16:40.08 | lauri | expect it to happen all over |
| 16:40.24 | lauri | I admit it didn't sit well with an old school irc'er like me, but, it's not a *bad* policy |
| 16:40.41 | Barbelos | Is there a configure argument for disabling features which works for most kde apps? |
| 16:40.51 | lauri | and leaves it very clear (for instance, if I say something dumb in #freebsd, it has been known to turn up on the mailing lists as 'one of your developers said') |
| 16:40.51 | Flendor | I wonder what channels here have official backing.. |
| 16:40.57 | lauri | well, not me, specifically, but others |
| 16:41.03 | lauri | and it's happened here, too, of course |
| 16:41.15 | Flendor | Will here become ##kde as well? :/ |
| 16:41.27 | lauri | I don't know, you'll have to ask charles, but I suspect not |
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| 16:41.49 | lauri | this has always been the only KDE channel, irc.kde.org directs here, it's in all the documentation, it's not such a problem to give this official backing |
| 16:42.02 | Flendor | OK. I wonder why these channels arent supported, isn't freenode THE open-source & Linux server? |
| 16:42.03 | lauri | unlike #freebsd, which existed on a dozen networks for many years, before freenode even came about |
| 16:42.27 | lauri | some things don't *have* an official body to back it |
| 16:42.36 | lauri | who's going to run #C, the ISO? |
| 16:42.45 | lauri | or #perl? |
| 16:42.50 | Flendor | LOL, yes, you're right on that :) |
| 16:43.30 | lauri | some have, but they aren't willing to legitimise a single channel over any other (on other networks, for instance) |
| 16:43.40 | lauri | which is our situation, and that's fine, we didn't expect them to |
| 16:44.04 | lauri | some do, but it's outside their remit, some do but the official board or whatever don't care, or aren't interested |
| 16:45.15 | lauri | and vice versa, some will make it official with no thought, and that's fine too, I think it's overall in the end a good thing to be able to tell (and vice versa, to disclaim responsibility) |
| 16:45.24 | lauri | "they're not speaking for the project" in a ## channel |
| 16:45.27 | lauri | you know? |
| 16:46.06 | lauri | (I must say, the move went quite smoothly, except for the 200 odd idlers who haven't noticed yet :) |
| 16:46.47 | lauri | oh, and we just hooked it up so if yuo join #freebsd you end up in ##freebsd anyway :) |
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| 16:48.58 | Beineri | lauri: did you notice that Albert is now online? |
| 16:49.23 | lauri | Beineri: no, my notify didn't notice :( |
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| 16:50.16 | TSDgeos | lauri: pinotree told you where looking for me |
| 16:50.31 | lauri | heh, I just went hunting you in #kpdf :) |
| 16:50.33 | Tm_T | acid kde... |
| 16:50.34 | TSDgeos | ok |
| 16:50.38 | TSDgeos | bye guys ;-) |
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| 16:50.44 | Tm_T | damn, I really need some coffee! |
| 16:52.09 | Flendor | lauri - Are you still here? |
| 16:52.30 | Flendor | Damnit, I hate it when I do this :/ I forgot I was in a chat here when I alt+tabbed, then forgot :( |
| 16:52.34 | Flendor | Sorry for that. |
| 16:53.07 | Tm_T | jamesconf: me too? <:) |
| 16:55.28 | jamesconf | well mines instant, really more of an insulte to coffee. |
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| 16:55.43 | lauri | Flendor: heh, I'm here |
| 16:55.55 | Flendor | Glad to hear that :) |
| 16:56.10 | Flendor | Well, I have to go, I have a thermodynamics exam tomorrow.. |
| 16:56.16 | Flendor | See you later. |
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| 17:03.30 | forevertheuni | hi guys my kde-config app segfaults |
| 17:03.40 | forevertheuni | http://nebioq.ath.cx/segfault |
| 17:03.48 | forevertheuni | here is the strace can someone help me? |
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| 17:05.06 | jamesconf | I think I saw that come from /dev/random once. |
| 17:05.09 | lauri | what distribution is this? and when did it start doing this? |
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| 17:06.26 | forevertheuni | is tgat to me? |
| 17:06.39 | forevertheuni | lauri, sourcemage...just compiled it |
| 17:06.46 | lauri | what compiler? |
| 17:06.51 | forevertheuni | gcc343 |
| 17:07.13 | lauri | I've seen this with the -fvisibility stuff on !linux |
| 17:07.26 | lauri | and gcc 4.0 is blacklisted (why I asked that) |
| 17:07.32 | forevertheuni | ah ok |
| 17:07.46 | lauri | I'm outta ideas, maybe jamesconf can expand on what he knows |
| 17:07.51 | forevertheuni | lol |
| 17:08.05 | forevertheuni | It's the second time |
| 17:08.07 | lauri | (ldd it, see if it's just confused about libs) |
| 17:08.18 | forevertheuni | i've formateed the partition and it happened again |
| 17:08.32 | lauri | well, that sure is weird |
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| 17:08.52 | lauri | but points to maybe something in your compiler options that you did the same both times |
| 17:08.55 | lauri | or configure |
| 17:09.19 | forevertheuni | http://nebioq.ath.cx/ldd |
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| 17:15.11 | lauri | heh, I can't hardly understand that ldd output (what's that first thing? why is it only one side of things? what on earth is that lib anyway :) |
| 17:15.53 | lauri | (someone who understands what linux ldd says, please take a look) |
| 17:16.35 | forevertheuni | lol |
| 17:17.09 | forevertheuni | lauri, all my files have that |
| 17:17.18 | mart_k | I got a simular output from ldd. |
| 17:18.19 | forevertheuni | hmm .configure --prefix=/usrc |
| 17:18.22 | forevertheuni | is enough to kdelibs? |
| 17:18.29 | forevertheuni | i'll compile it manually this time |
| 17:18.52 | lauri | well, yes and no |
| 17:19.01 | lauri | it's enough if it's enough, if you need to give more parameters, it's not :) |
| 17:19.09 | lauri | ehm |
| 17:19.24 | forevertheuni | lauri, what kernel are you using? |
| 17:19.24 | lauri | yes, it's probably enough, come back if you have a problem and ./configure --help doesn't immediately answer it :) |
| 17:19.39 | lauri | the FreeBSD 5.4 one |
| 17:19.42 | forevertheuni | ah |
| 17:19.49 | forevertheuni | I think this is a linux 2.6 prob |
| 17:19.56 | forevertheuni | prob...no...thing |
| 17:19.57 | forevertheuni | lol |
| 17:20.07 | lauri | (I come from the land where ldd never has single sided anythings :) |
| 17:20.09 | forevertheuni | lauri, my 192.168.1.55 machine is freeBSD :p |
| 17:20.14 | lauri | and if it does, that's your problem |
| 17:20.23 | forevertheuni | lauri, what version of fBSD? |
| 17:20.31 | forevertheuni | lauri, loool |
| 17:21.02 | lauri | oh man, lostmonk-aWay please turn that off |
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| 17:22.24 | Tm_T | hoh |
| 17:22.35 | Beineri | lauri: only gcc 4.0.0 is blacklisted |
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| 17:23.05 | lauri | I wasn't sure how far along it was (but he wasn't using it anyway, so it wasn't the problem) |
| 17:23.46 | forevertheuni | :p |
| 17:24.03 | forevertheuni | well let's compile again |
| 17:24.04 | forevertheuni | lol |
| 17:24.12 | forevertheuni | i'm away |
| 17:24.19 | forevertheuni | i'll come back if I still have that prob |
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| 17:26.22 | sandor | Help: On SuSE 9.3, my KDE 3.3.0 desktop icons are not updating when I create/save new file through non-kde applications... |
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| 17:26.28 | sandor | Anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 17:28.20 | ara | hey, when i copy an image file to my desktop directory, the image icon doesn't show up, is there a specific way to do this? |
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| 17:28.50 | sandor | Hey, that was my question first! |
| 17:28.59 | Tm_T | ara: K control centre ;p |
| 17:29.15 | Tm_T | os more simply |
| 17:29.21 | Tm_T | s/os/or |
| 17:29.33 | sandor | I just saw on the Internet something that you need to have the fam-server installed to make it work. |
| 17:29.41 | Tm_T | ? |
| 17:29.51 | SavannahLion | I'd like to create a custom file viewing plugin for KDE, but I'm a little confused about the purpose between a KIO and a Kpart |
| 17:30.00 | ara | thanks Tm_T ! |
| 17:30.05 | Tm_T | ara: np |
| 17:30.18 | sandor | Tm_T, I saw nothing in the kcontrol center |
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| 17:30.50 | lauri | *really* briefly: a kio gets files from somewhere, a kpart displays files it got from a kio of some kind |
| 17:31.36 | Tm_T | sandor: or you just rightclick in your desktop -> conf desk -> |
| 17:31.54 | lauri | for instance kio_smb gets files (any kind) from a samba share, and doesn't mostly care if some of them are html files, khtml's part displays html it got without much caring what kioslave it came from |
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| 17:32.21 | SavannahLion | That's what I figured, so I would need to start with a KIO to be able to display internals from a compressed archive. That means I wouldn't need to create a Kparts unless there's an unsupported file in the archive. Right? |
| 17:32.35 | lauri | pretty much :) |
| 17:33.11 | SavannahLion | Cool. I'm on the right track then. I was browsing over the Kdevelop documentation and got a little confused on what I needed to do. |
| 17:33.38 | dpreacher | I am using Mandrake 10.1 with KDE 3.2 and I am having a problem with the kmix program? is this the place to ask? |
| 17:33.54 | lauri | SavannahLion: when you have it sorted, want to write a patch to the kdevelop docs to clarify things? |
| 17:33.55 | sandor | Tm_T, Sure but there doesn't seem to be any such option. I am installing fam-server, because it looks like it's clearly required for this. |
| 17:34.01 | Tm_T | ok |
| 17:34.15 | sandor | Tm_T, tx anyway.. rebooting.. |
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| 17:34.18 | lauri | SavannahLion: also, this is the user channel, you'll likely get more specific answers in #kde-devel if you want 'em |
| 17:34.25 | Tm_T | (wtf is fam-server) |
| 17:34.29 | lauri | (not that you aren't also welcome here too) |
| 17:34.33 | lauri | fam is file alteration monitor |
| 17:34.40 | Tm_T | ah ok |
| 17:34.42 | Tm_T | ho es |
| 17:34.47 | Tm_T | oh yes |
| 17:34.54 | lauri | it watches your filesystems for changes, so that KDE doesn't have to |
| 17:34.55 | SavannahLion | lauri: I'm a little new to the whole Linux environment and way of things. I just release my first ported library for the first time.... actually it's the first time I ever released any source code for any platform |
| 17:34.57 | Tm_T | ok, coffee NOW! |
| 17:35.07 | lauri | SavannahLion: hey, cool :) |
| 17:35.13 | lauri | what are you working on, if I might ask? |
| 17:35.34 | dpreacher | my kmix doesn't save the volume settings |
| 17:36.10 | SavannahLion | I ported Nemesis' HLLib for Steam (Half-Life) to Linux. I had it announced at http://www.planethalflife.com if you're interested |
| 17:36.11 | lauri | between reboots, between restarts of kde, or between opening kmix twice in a row? |
| 17:36.35 | lauri | heh, all I know about half-life, is how to spell it :) |
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| 17:36.57 | lauri | but congratulatiosn anyway :) |
| 17:37.06 | SavannahLion | That's more than 75% of the Half-Life fans can do |
| 17:37.41 | dpreacher | between reboots. i use icewm and everytime to reset volume i start kmix by typing it in a terminal window |
| 17:37.53 | SavannahLion | lauri: Thanks. It's strange and almost liberating not having to be forced to turn off your PC every 48 hrs |
| 17:38.00 | lauri | heh |
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| 17:39.04 | lauri | dpreacher: ok, some soundcares (sb lives for instance) hardware reset their volumes to 0 every time they power on |
| 17:39.06 | SavannahLion | I've learned more coding aspects in the past three months on Linux and C++ than the same amount of time on Windows and Visual Basic |
| 17:39.20 | dpreacher | it resets to 60% |
| 17:39.30 | lauri | well, that ain't it then |
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| 17:39.36 | dpreacher | is there some file where the volume levels are saved |
| 17:39.44 | lauri | you might have a distribution init script or something, that is resetting them too |
| 17:39.56 | lauri | kmix can restore it's own settings on KDE start as well |
| 17:40.14 | SavannahLion | Barnacles. Mother wants me to pick Strawberries. laters |
| 17:40.28 | lauri | ~/.kde/share/config/kmixrc |
| 17:41.01 | dpreacher | KDE is too heavy on my PC but i need some of it's applications. any users of mandrake here who can put more light on this? |
| 17:41.06 | lauri | (it saves in there if it *should* restore them when KDE starts, at least, I have that off, so I can't actually tell you if it stores the volumes in there) |
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| 17:41.27 | lauri | dpreacher: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Performance+Tips |
| 17:41.35 | lauri | if you're not starting KDE, kmix won't restore volumes |
| 17:41.36 | SavannahLion | lauri: can you let me know what happens with the compile either on the PHL forums or on the Wiki site where you download from? |
| 17:41.47 | lauri | SavannahLion: sure, but it won't be for a couple of hours |
| 17:41.55 | SavannahLion | That's fine, I'll be gone about that long anyways |
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| 17:43.17 | askie | Evening. |
| 17:43.28 | dpreacher | is there a way to put kmix in icewm systray on startup? is this a kmix question or a icewm question? |
| 17:44.24 | askie | lauri: One of my translators has got some questions for the KSpread, KPresenter & KFormula doc coordinators... All three email addresses seem not te be in use anymore. What's the best to do? |
| 17:45.02 | dpreacher | lauri thank you for the wiki link |
| 17:46.06 | lauri | askie: wander into #kde-docs and talk to me |
| 17:46.16 | askie | Okay :) |
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| 17:51.38 | header666 | hello... does anybody knows, when will be kde 3.4.1 released?? |
| 17:52.14 | pinotree | header666: tomorrow, iirc |
| 17:52.31 | pinotree | but don't trust me :D |
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| 17:53.35 | aseigo | pinotree: it's tagged tomorrow |
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| 17:53.41 | header666 | ok ;) |
| 17:53.43 | aseigo | pinotree: that's different than released =) |
| 17:53.57 | pinotree | aseigo: but the tag already exists, no? |
| 17:54.00 | chetan13 | what is kde's rsa key fingerprint? |
| 17:54.19 | chetan13 | 86:f3:66:06:20:74:81:d0:1b:b4:2f:25:03:f7:8e:fb ? |
| 17:54.27 | aseigo | chetan13: for what? svn? |
| 17:54.37 | chetan13 | aseigo: yes |
| 17:54.54 | vanRijn | aseigo: did that get sent out to a mailing list? |
| 17:54.57 | aseigo | pinotree: no idea, haven't checked. but the "make it into tarballs" isn't supposed to happen until monday. and it's not even monday in germany yet ;) |
| 17:55.06 | aseigo | vanRijn: which? |
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| 17:55.32 | dpy | hi guys |
| 17:55.35 | pinotree | aseigo: erm... it's monday here... |
| 17:55.39 | vanRijn | aseigo: the whole "going to tag 341 tomorrow" thing |
| 17:55.45 | aseigo | pinotree: oh wait. it is monday. |
| 17:55.52 | aseigo | pinotree: haha.. i'm behind a day. stupid state holidays. |
| 17:55.56 | vanRijn | lol |
| 17:56.03 | aseigo | just feels like sunday. |
| 17:56.07 | dpy | am I missing some sort of font if kformula gives me awkward braces (e.g. are matrices and functions) ? |
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| 17:56.21 | aseigo | so yes. it was tagged today then. =P |
| 17:56.23 | pinotree | aseigo: so tomorrow is the release target? |
| 17:56.47 | dpy | anyone here ever used kformula ? |
| 17:56.56 | marjom | dpy: i hack on it |
| 17:56.57 | aseigo | pinotree: i doubt it. the release announcement usually follows by some time after tagging to allow for packages and what not |
| 17:56.57 | vanRijn | dpy: sorry, no. =:/ |
| 17:57.02 | lauri | ohh |
| 17:57.06 | lauri | now isn't this interesting |
| 17:57.15 | marjom | dpy: d |
| 17:57.20 | lauri | marjom: we're just discussing kformulas docu situation |
| 17:57.24 | lauri | and i18n |
| 17:57.25 | pinotree | dpy: a bit |
| 17:57.27 | dpy | marjom: how do I fix the braces ? I now get weird chars like a Q with " |
| 17:57.37 | lauri | I wonder if we couldn't borrow you for a minute, when you are done with dpy? |
| 17:57.54 | marjom | dpy: what font style are you using (symbol, estix or la tex) |
| 17:58.05 | dpy | uh |
| 17:58.07 | dpy | I don't know |
| 17:58.09 | dpy | default I guess |
| 17:58.25 | marjom | then you dont have symbol fonts installed |
| 17:58.34 | marjom | get the bakoma fonts |
| 17:58.35 | dpy | what are they called ? |
| 17:58.59 | marjom | the bakoma latex fonts are the best to use |
| 17:59.12 | dpy | I have latex installed |
| 17:59.40 | dpy | there is no bakoma packaged for mandriva |
| 18:00.45 | dpy | shouldn't kformula work out of the box ? |
| 18:01.24 | marjom | it tries to use the symbol fonts by default |
| 18:01.41 | marjom | thats broken on my system too |
| 18:03.14 | marjom | dpy:on the phone at the mo but i will come back and help you |
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| 18:04.14 | dpy | it's installing a new tetex |
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| 18:07.42 | dpreacher | are there any alternatives to kmix |
| 18:08.30 | ponto | kamix |
| 18:09.55 | dpreacher | i don't know, if i should continue but i'm not able to decide for icewm should i still continue using a KDE application for volume setting or not? |
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| 18:11.37 | Kdao | hi |
| 18:12.07 | ponto | dpreacher: maybe you should ask in a icewm channel or switch back to kde |
| 18:12.43 | dpreacher | is it really a icewm issue or a volume control app issue? |
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| 18:16.11 | marjom | dpy:kformula only uses the ttf versions of the bakoma fonts |
| 18:17.24 | dpy | marjom: it works now, I switched to tex symbol foobar |
| 18:17.30 | dpy | bottom option |
| 18:17.45 | marjom | yeah thats th one. |
| 18:17.46 | dpy | is it possible to collect multiple formula's in one document ? |
| 18:18.01 | marjom | in kformula |
| 18:18.02 | dpy | I have a series of small formulas |
| 18:18.08 | dpy | yes in kformula |
| 18:18.10 | marjom | or in kword |
| 18:18.28 | marjom | you can try the multiline tool. I havent played with it much though |
| 18:18.53 | marjom | its on the tool bar near the matrix element |
| 18:19.44 | dpy | THANX |
| 18:20.24 | marjom | dpy no probs |
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| 18:21.24 | marjom | lauri: i'm all yours |
| 18:21.38 | lauri | marjom: could you drop by #kde-docs for a sec |
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| 18:29.00 | ju^ju | hi |
| 18:29.08 | ju^ju | hab ein problem mit kdm |
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| 18:29.24 | ju^ju | bleibt am login screen hängen -> nur 4s power-taste hilft |
| 18:29.35 | haltdef | try in english and someone might try to help. |
| 18:29.49 | ju^ju | ;) |
| 18:29.50 | ju^ju | ok: |
| 18:30.01 | ju^ju | i've got a problem with kdm |
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| 18:30.09 | ju^ju | it freezes at login screen |
| 18:30.39 | makinen | Why superkaramba themes don't appear on the desktop after KDE loads up? |
| 18:31.20 | haltdef | ju^ju: is everything in /usr/share/xsessions/ correct? |
| 18:31.39 | ju^ju | haltdef: how can i proof that? |
| 18:32.21 | Tm_T | makinen: use torsmo ;p |
| 18:32.53 | ju^ju | haltdef: i was trying to rebuild my kernel to use splashutils |
| 18:33.25 | ju^ju | haltdef: when i restarted, everything worked |
| 18:33.48 | ju^ju | haltdef: until kdm login screen appeared... |
| 18:34.00 | haltdef | hmm, ok, check your kdm log file. can't rememner where it is tho |
| 18:34.10 | ju^ju | hmm |
| 18:34.39 | ju^ju | sec |
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| 18:35.55 | ju^ju | hmm, i can't see entries from today |
| 18:36.54 | ju^ju | wait a se |
| 18:36.55 | ju^ju | c |
| 18:37.03 | ju^ju | i'll check Xorg.log |
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| 18:40.51 | makinen | Tm_T: Torsmo is just a system monitor but i'd rather need a RSS reader for my desktop. Thus replacing superkaramba with torsmo doesn't seem to be a solution |
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| 18:42.48 | ju^ju | /var/log/messages says: kdm_greet[6765]: can't open default user face |
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| 18:45.49 | lauri | oh, it's lost it's little picture |
| 18:45.53 | Tm_T | makinen: it was a joke =) |
| 18:46.33 | Tm_T | makinen: but I bet there's a way to do it with torsmo :p |
| 18:47.19 | makinen | ah, i see ;) |
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| 18:58.03 | chetan13 | how do i use kdialog --yesno in a perlscript? |
| 18:58.15 | chetan13 | it always seems to return false |
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| 19:01.00 | Quinn_Storm | chetan13: not sure...just tested now and yes returns 0, no 1 |
| 19:01.33 | chetan13 | Quinn_Storm: how do i catch the return value in perl? |
| 19:01.43 | Quinn_Storm | chetan13: that I don't know, I never learned perl |
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| 19:02.00 | chetan13 | Quinn_Storm: k |
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| 19:09.56 | forevertheuni | lauri, well the manual compiling worked :p |
| 19:12.49 | dpy | when I do kpresenter -> print... -> print to PDF, I don't get the same size as on screen |
| 19:12.52 | dpy | how do I fix this ? |
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| 19:18.42 | dpy | is there any way to export kpresenter to PDF with screen media ? |
| 19:20.31 | Beineri | dpy: ask in #koffice? |
| 19:21.06 | dpy | Beineri: asked |
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| 19:34.18 | k | uhm. how do I get my own certificates (cacer.org) in *.crt-files imported into KDEs Cert-Database? |
| 19:34.44 | k | hence I only can choose p12-files, I cannot import it... |
| 19:34.56 | Pupeno | Was FLAC support dropped from KDE Audio CD ? |
| 19:35.25 | njaard | HI EVERYBODY |
| 19:35.33 | njaard | </blink> |
| 19:36.02 | pinotree | hello njaard =) |
| 19:36.18 | njaard | anyone wanna come 'round to my place to cook |
| 19:36.22 | njaard | I'm too hungry |
| 19:36.46 | Pupeno | anyone wanna come 'round to my place with food ? |
| 19:37.12 | njaard | pinotree is italian, so can thus cook ;) |
| 19:37.30 | njaard | pinotree: come to my place, make something tasty, and then we can visit pupeno |
| 19:38.01 | njaard | a complicated thing is only many small simple things mixed together |
| 19:38.15 | njaard | the hard part is living in a country where the supermarkets sell actual food :] |
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| 19:38.50 | Pupeno | I... we are vegetarians by the way. |
| 19:39.11 | njaard | so am I |
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| 19:39.19 | Tm_T | hmm, so you're food? |
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| 19:39.38 | Tm_T | because vegetables are food of offd ;--P |
| 19:39.48 | njaard | I don't eat meat because I /really/ hate vegetables |
| 19:39.53 | Tm_T | damn, I need more caffeine |
| 19:40.05 | Beineri | Pupeno: why should it? |
| 19:40.06 | Pupeno | Tm_T: we are all food, have you read "Stranger in a Strange Land" ? |
| 19:40.19 | Pupeno | Beineri: why should it what ? |
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| 19:40.43 | Beineri | Pupeno: "KDE Audio CD" drop FLAC support |
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| 19:40.52 | Pupeno | Beineri: it shouldn't. |
| 19:40.53 | Tm_T | Pupeno: yeah, in a way or another |
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| 19:41.36 | Pupeno | Beineri: but I don't have the FLAC tab in my AudioCD configuration. Maybe I'm missing to install something, but I can't find it. |
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| 19:41.47 | Beineri | Pupeno: flac[-devel]? |
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| 19:42.03 | Pupeno | Beineri: so, before I continue to look what I am missing, I want to know if it was droped or not. |
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| 19:42.15 | Pupeno | Beineri: I'm not compilining KDE from source. Maybe it's even badly packaged. |
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| 19:54.52 | vmiklos | hi |
| 19:55.41 | vmiklos | tagging today 3_4_1 means one can expect release within about a week? |
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| 19:56.28 | GoGi | Why is the "Default encoding" for konsole "iso-8859-1" (it seems to be) |
| 19:56.54 | Pupeno | Was FLAC support dropped from KDE Audio CD ? |
| 19:56.54 | GoGi | or how can one change the default one? If the default is always the same there would have been no need to call it default, so I assume it can be changed |
| 19:57.24 | Quinn_Away | GoGi: it probably picks that up from your locale settings and such...if you are in an en situation try en_US.UTF8 or en_GB.UTF8 or whatever your proper setting is (it might be .UTF-8, not sure, but you will be able to tell) |
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| 19:59.48 | thiago | Pupeno: no |
| 20:00.06 | GoGi | well I have LANG=C |
| 20:00.15 | GoGi | so the charset should be US-ASCII |
| 20:00.22 | Pupeno | thiago: so, if I'm missing it, it's just because the packagers missed to compile KDE with flac-devel installed, right ? |
| 20:00.42 | GoGi | but konsole still accepts characters from iso-8859-1 as input and submits them in iso-8859-1 |
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| 20:01.12 | GoGi | Then again I can't even choose us-ascii from the list |
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| 20:01.29 | thiago | Pupeno: right |
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| 20:03.52 | Pupeno | thiago: is it possible to package it separately ? |
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| 20:04.59 | thiago | yes |
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| 20:05.36 | Flendor | Hello. |
| 20:06.46 | thiago | hello |
| 20:07.11 | Flendor | Heya thiago, how's it going? |
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| 20:30.50 | Roey | hi |
| 20:31.33 | pinotree | hello Roey |
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| 20:32.22 | Roey | I'm using KDE 3.4, and have configured KDE to switch keyboard layouts when both SHIFT keys are pressed together. I can shift keyboard layout just fine by clicking on the layout flag in the system tray, however: |
| 20:33.58 | Roey | kxkb: WARNING: Unable to open /tmp/kde-roey/us.xkm: No such file or directory |
| 20:34.33 | Roey | and no switching of keyboard layout occurs. |
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| 20:40.25 | bimbo | anyone here usinig superkaramba? |
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| 20:43.57 | hotroot | hi @ all |
| 20:44.17 | jamesd | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.30 | hotroot | does someone know if it is possible to make kio-media show the mountpoints instead of the device-namens? |
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| 20:46.23 | CruX | hi, how can i change text color on kicker buttons ? |
| 20:48.42 | pinotree | CruX: rightr click on kicker -> configure panel -> look&feel tab -> button background section |
| 20:49.39 | thiago | hotroot: you can rename the entries |
| 20:50.14 | CruX | pinotree: i wanna change text color, not background |
| 20:50.22 | pinotree | ah, sorry |
| 20:50.44 | pinotree | erm.. what text on buttons? |
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| 20:51.40 | CruX | pinotree: buttons with the name of the tasks |
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| 20:52.35 | pinotree | CruX: ah! then kcontrol -> look&feel and colors -> fonts -> taskbar |
| 20:53.30 | hotroot | thiago, thanks. this was exactly what I was looking for |
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| 20:54.47 | pinotree | CruX: found? |
| 20:55.17 | CruX | pinotree: no i havent any taskbar on fonts |
| 20:55.29 | pinotree | ? |
| 20:57.24 | CruX | pinotree: kcontrol -> look&feel and colors -> fonts and there is no taskbar options |
| 20:57.34 | pinotree | sue? |
| 20:57.36 | pinotree | sure? |
| 20:58.02 | pinotree | CruX: what kde? |
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| 20:59.04 | CruX | pinotree: kde 3.4 |
| 20:59.11 | Jejem | hello =) [/amsg] |
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| 21:02.31 | pinotree | CruX: don't you see something like that: http://tosky.homeunix.net/~pino/kcontrol-fonts.png |
| 21:05.13 | CruX | pinotree: yes, i have that |
| 21:05.28 | CruX | pinotree: but where can i change color ? |
| 21:05.30 | pinotree | CruX: don't you see taskbar? |
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| 21:05.42 | pinotree | ah, uff, sorry again |
| 21:05.51 | pinotree | i don't believe it's possible... |
| 21:06.07 | CruX | :( |
| 21:06.29 | CruX | it's default color is very bad readable on my LCD :(( |
| 21:06.55 | pinotree | you can try to chane global font colours |
| 21:07.03 | pinotree | kcontrol -> look&feel and colors -> colours |
| 21:07.23 | pinotree | in the combo on the right there some element to configure the colour of |
| 21:07.33 | pinotree | there also some founts |
| 21:07.36 | pinotree | fonts |
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| 21:09.57 | CruX | pinotree: thanx, that doesn't work |
| 21:10.17 | pinotree | sorry =/ |
| 21:10.28 | CruX | probably i must change cholor in kicker sources |
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| 21:23.44 | lane | Hi everyone. I have a basic KAddressBook question. I'm not sure how to access the "Location of Contact" function in KAddressBook. |
| 21:23.50 | lane | If I go to Settings->Show Extension Bar the available choices are None, Contact Editor, Distribution List Editor, and Address Books. Does anyone know, is "Location of Contact" supposed to be an option in that submenu? |
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| 21:28.25 | crs | Hello ;-) |
| 21:28.31 | volt3r | crs: hello :) |
| 21:28.35 | crs | volt3r: :> |
| 21:28.42 | crs | volt3r: say! ;) |
| 21:28.48 | volt3r | crs: what is your problem young kde user ? |
| 21:29.01 | crs | volt3r: young? heh. |
| 21:29.55 | lane | Would anyone be willing to open their KAddressBook and glance to see if "Location of Contact" is an option under the Settings->Show Extension Bar submenu? |
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| 21:31.38 | volt3r | hello |
| 21:32.05 | volt3r | crs says that he is 10 years old and has a problem with krename |
| 21:32.38 | langenberg | Ehrm, KDE uses the XF86Back setting from X for back/forward in KDE apps, right? |
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| 21:33.46 | lane | I don't have"Location of Contact" in KAddressBook, and I'm curious whether my distro is just missing that plugin, or what. I'm running White Box Enterprise Linux 3 with KDE 3.4 from http://apt.kde-redhat.org/ |
| 21:34.27 | hal | hi all, someone of you knows how to configure kdsl ? |
| 21:34.31 | crs | Hello |
| 21:34.45 | crs | i have problem with krename ald kfile plugins from multimedia package. |
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| 21:38.33 | Roey | hi |
| 21:38.33 | Roey | ok |
| 21:38.36 | Roey | fresh stuff: |
| 21:38.39 | Roey | using kde 3.4: |
| 21:38.49 | crs | because i install plugins for renaming mp3 files and don't have all avaiable templates ;/ |
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| 21:39.33 | Blissex | lane: I dont's have a 'Location of contact' entry either, ina default 3.4 config. |
| 21:39.49 | lane | Blissex: Thank you. |
| 21:40.18 | lane | Blissex: I think I figured it out - you just click on the person's address and it opens a new konqueror window |
| 21:40.50 | crs | Hej, no one have any idea? :> |
| 21:40.52 | Roey | say you open a new konqueror instance and go to a web site, say, cnn.com. As that web site is loading, you open a new tab and start typing a name that Konqueror has already cached (like, say, washingtonpost.com). something REALLY ANNOYING happens, if you have URL completion set to "short automatic": as you're typing in washingtonpost.com (and slowly you are filling in the characters), if the first tab finishes loading, then your entire washingt |
| 21:40.52 | Roey | onpost.com is fully realized and you end up typing extra characters. |
| 21:40.55 | Roey | wtf is all of that about |
| 21:41.17 | Blissex | Roey: it is trying to be really intelligent :-) |
| 21:41.27 | Roey | Blissex: it's not the automatic completion that bothers me |
| 21:41.34 | Blissex | Roey: ''automatic'' is as automatic does :-) |
| 21:41.51 | Roey | Blissex: wait lemme explain, you don't understand |
| 21:41.59 | Roey | Blissex: say you're typing in a URL |
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| 21:42.07 | Roey | Blissex: if you have short automatic, |
| 21:42.17 | Roey | Blissex: then the rest of the chars from the cached URL are gray |
| 21:42.21 | Roey | Blissex: right? |
| 21:42.36 | Blissex | Roey: yes, the grayed out bit is the current ''suggestion''. |
| 21:42.39 | Roey | OK |
| 21:42.59 | Roey | Blissex: and let's say you have another tab loading in the background |
| 21:43.00 | Roey | the first tab |
| 21:43.10 | Roey | and you're typing a known URL in a second tab |
| 21:43.17 | Roey | Blissex: then when the first tab completes, |
| 21:43.37 | Blissex | Roey: I understand that... I suppose what's happening is that the automatic suggestion is weighted by how recent the URL has been used. |
| 21:43.39 | Roey | Blissex: the "suggestion" in the second tab (that is, the gray text in the second tab) becomes black |
| 21:43.46 | Roey | Blissex: RIGHT I'm not disputing that |
| 21:44.03 | Roey | Blissex: I'm saying that the thing is realized (i.e. made black) the moment the first tab finishes loading |
| 21:44.05 | Roey | and that's wrong behavior. |
| 21:44.11 | Blissex | Roey: at that point the autocompleter is _really_ sure you want that because you have just loaded it :-) |
| 21:44.12 | Roey | get it? |
| 21:44.15 | Roey | ah |
| 21:44.20 | Roey | how |
| 21:44.30 | Roey | Blissex: my brain's sarcasm center is rather dark |
| 21:44.36 | Roey | s/dark/dim |
| 21:44.58 | Blissex | Roey: it is not sarcasm -- it is just an unintended side effect of trying to do a really helpful autocompleter. |
| 21:45.17 | Roey | Blissex: but when I type a normal URL that is already cached, it /never/ makes all the letters black before I finish typing... |
| 21:45.22 | Blissex | Roey: the ''gray'' bit is when the autcompleter is not ''sure'', because there are other equally likely alternatives. |
| 21:45.29 | Roey | Blissex: oh I see. |
| 21:46.02 | Roey | Blissex: so it does "realize" the url on some occasions? |
| 21:46.14 | Roey | I'll bbiab at home. |
| 21:46.16 | Roey | see ya there. |
| 21:46.27 | Blissex | Roey: I think I have seen it do fully complete URLs when it is ''sure''. |
| 21:46.51 | WorkRoey | Blissex: htat is, add black letters? |
| 21:46.53 | WorkRoey | not just suggestions? |
| 21:46.58 | WorkRoey | Blissex: I'm telling you it's fucking up |
| 21:47.06 | WorkRoey | Blissex: because it does this for a bunch of urls, |
| 21:47.12 | WorkRoey | Blissex: the moment a background tab finishes loading |
| 21:47.13 | WorkRoey | like |
| 21:47.15 | Blissex | WorkRoey: but ''automatic'' is about doing it automatically. |
| 21:47.18 | WorkRoey | it's not related /at all/ |
| 21:47.22 | WorkRoey | ARRRRGH |
| 21:47.23 | WorkRoey | listen |
| 21:47.29 | Blissex | WorkRoey: if it is not related at all, then it is fucked up. |
| 21:47.33 | WorkRoey | it's doing it the moment the first tab finishes loading |
| 21:47.36 | WorkRoey | IT'S NOT REALTED!!! |
| 21:47.41 | WorkRoey | it's fucking fucked up |
| 21:47.45 | WorkRoey | you go to cnn.com |
| 21:47.47 | WorkRoey | it is loading |
| 21:47.49 | WorkRoey | you open a new tab |
| 21:47.52 | WorkRoey | go to washingtonpost.com |
| 21:47.55 | WorkRoey | you are typing washin |
| 21:47.59 | WorkRoey | and are about to hit 'g' |
| 21:48.06 | Blissex | WorkRoey: But the example you gave was that you were loading washingtonpost.com in one tab and you were typing washin |
| 21:48.06 | WorkRoey | meanwhile cnn.com finishes loading |
| 21:48.16 | WorkRoey | then "gtonpost.com" is made black |
| 21:48.18 | Blissex | WorkRoey: or perhaps I misread. |
| 21:48.23 | WorkRoey | and if you do <enter> |
| 21:48.29 | WorkRoey | then you ahve entered: washinggtonpost.com |
| 21:48.31 | WorkRoey | which is incorrect |
| 21:48.32 | WorkRoey | get it? |
| 21:48.39 | WorkRoey | again: |
| 21:48.46 | WorkRoey | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.52 | WorkRoey | ->it is loading |
| 21:48.56 | WorkRoey | you open a new tab |
| 21:48.59 | WorkRoey | go to washingtonpost.com |
| 21:49.07 | WorkRoey | you are typing "washin" |
| 21:49.11 | WorkRoey | and are about to hit 'g' |
| 21:49.15 | WorkRoey | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.23 | WorkRoey | IMMEDIATELY "gtonpost.com" is made black |
| 21:49.28 | WorkRoey | (i.e. the autocomplete completes it) |
| 21:49.31 | WorkRoey | for NO FUCKIG REASON |
| 21:49.41 | WorkRoey | and if you do <enter> |
| 21:49.45 | WorkRoey | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.46 | lauri | and where is the cursor? |
| 21:49.49 | WorkRoey | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.54 | WorkRoey | the cursor is in the url bar. |
| 21:49.59 | lauri | where in the url bar |
| 21:50.05 | WorkRoey | RIGHT AFTER THE WASHIN |
| 21:50.05 | lauri | after the g, or after the m |
| 21:50.07 | WorkRoey | no |
| 21:50.09 | WorkRoey | after the n |
| 21:50.12 | lauri | then hit ctrl-k and carry on typing |
| 21:50.12 | WorkRoey | you're about to hit 'g' |
| 21:50.15 | WorkRoey | oof |
| 21:50.18 | WorkRoey | you don't get it |
| 21:50.18 | lauri | it's just not that big a deal |
| 21:50.21 | lauri | I do get it |
| 21:50.24 | WorkRoey | no you don't |
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| 21:50.28 | Blissex | WorkRoey: then it is just a bug... |
| 21:50.29 | WorkRoey | you're typing in something |
| 21:50.32 | WorkRoey | Blissex: YES! |
| 21:50.34 | lauri | and when you have filed a bug, someone will likely fix it |
| 21:50.40 | WorkRoey | lauri: but you don't get what it is |
| 21:50.44 | WorkRoey | let me try to explain |
| 21:50.49 | lauri | but ranting here is not fixing it, and in the meantime, you can delete the rest of the line and continue typing |
| 21:50.49 | WorkRoey | lauri: it's not the gray "suggestion" |
| 21:50.52 | lauri | no, please don't |
| 21:50.57 | WorkRoey | lauri: it's that it is outright autocompleting it |
| 21:51.03 | WorkRoey | ok |
| 21:51.04 | lauri | and ctrl-k is delete to end of line in all kde text edits |
| 21:51.04 | WorkRoey | I've failed |
| 21:51.05 | WorkRoey | bye |
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| 21:51.14 | lauri | god he's annoying |
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| 21:51.20 | lauri | even when he's not trying to be |
| 21:51.21 | WorkRoey | gotta go home |
| 21:51.22 | lauri | and childish |
| 21:51.27 | lauri | :46] <lauri> and ctrl-k is delete to end of line in all kde text edits |
| 21:51.30 | WorkRoey | now I'm childish, too, awesome. |
| 21:51.34 | WorkRoey | fuck it. |
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| 21:51.37 | lauri | *whatever colour the frigging text edit is* |
| 21:51.45 | Blissex | lauri: oh stop that, he is just making a big issue of something minor but quite irritating... |
| 21:51.47 | lauri | I rest my case |
| 21:51.54 | lauri | yes, and it's not worth it |
| 21:52.01 | lauri | and he won't file a bug, and it won't get fixed |
| 21:52.15 | lauri | (I'd file it, I just don't care enough to even call it a bug) |
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| 21:58.52 | eidolon | here's a quicky. I have a directory full of images - i'm pre-browsing all my pics from my camera. |
| 21:59.07 | eidolon | (using konqueror) - what i'd like to do is -quickly- rotate an image that was taken in portrait mode. |
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| 21:59.52 | eidolon | there's a nifty twiddle in konqueror that says Actions->Transform->Rotate Clockwise, but that seems to only be altering the icon, not the actual image. |
| 22:01.36 | lauri | you should try kimdaba or digikam |
| 22:02.00 | lauri | they'll rotate based on teh exif (and any decent camera can write the orientation when they shoot them) |
| 22:02.23 | eidolon | does the camera have a position sensor? how does it know ls vs port? |
| 22:02.37 | mankind_tweezer | eidolon: you could also use "jhead" for that if you want a quick command-line way |
| 22:02.46 | lauri | so they're auto-rotated already to the right direction (also, most camera images these days have an internal thumbnail, which may or may not be rotated relative to the image itself) |
| 22:02.55 | eidolon | nah, i'm sort of nudging myself to do everything with konqeuror. it's getting very close. |
| 22:02.58 | mankind_tweezer | eidolon: if the camera indeed has the orientation sensors, you just do "jhead -autorot -ft *.JPG" |
| 22:03.00 | lauri | ie, the image may be portrait, but have an internal thumbnail that is landscape |
| 22:03.28 | eidolon | lauri: this is just me turning the camera sideways for the shot. |
| 22:03.37 | lauri | yes, I know :) |
| 22:03.40 | eidolon | i suppose i could twiddle a button on the camera that says "i'm shooting portrait" |
| 22:03.50 | lauri | no, they can tell |
| 22:03.59 | lauri | (well, most, other than very cheap ones) |
| 22:04.00 | eidolon | hang on, lemme try one. |
| 22:04.03 | lauri | or older maybe ones |
| 22:04.13 | lauri | dig around the metadata anyway |
| 22:04.31 | mankind_tweezer | eidolon: at least on mine, you can see that just by viewing the image on the camera LCD -- it automatically rotates it |
| 22:04.43 | lauri | (my high end oly from 1998, knows, my middle of the road nikon from ~2000 doesn't, and my cheapy canon from 2001 does) |
| 22:04.44 | mankind_tweezer | eidolon: but anyway, in the konqueror "properties" dialog it shows up... |
| 22:04.48 | eidolon | mankind_tweezer: mine doesn't. :) |
| 22:04.52 | lauri | I'd be surprised if anything newer than any of those doesn't manage it |
| 22:05.17 | eidolon | says "Orientation: 1" in the meta data. |
| 22:05.33 | mankind_tweezer | hmm, that usually means "un-rotated" |
| 22:05.44 | eidolon | which is the same as a landscape shot, yeah. |
| 22:05.50 | eidolon | i wonder if that's a setting i need to set in the camera. sec. |
| 22:05.54 | lauri | (I find it interesting the oly still takes the best pictures, although the pixel count isn't high, but the canon beats the nikon in just about everything other than the nikon has a nicer case |
| 22:06.30 | mankind_tweezer | but it's slightly puzzling that it bothers to write something there if it doesn't know -- yeah, maybe it's manually configurable? never heard of that before |
| 22:06.32 | eidolon | www.homeport.org/~shevett/out.jpg <-- that's a 'portrait' image i took sideways. |
| 22:06.46 | eidolon | lauri: this is an olympus C770. rockin camera IMHO. |
| 22:06.53 | lauri | oh yeah, that's a nice one |
| 22:07.05 | lauri | I *guarantee* it knws which way up it is |
| 22:07.13 | lauri | whether it writes that into the image, is a different story |
| 22:07.14 | eidolon | but it -didn't- *whine* :) |
| 22:07.23 | eidolon | lemme look at the thumbnail on the camera, see if it shows it right. |
| 22:07.33 | lauri | so check the settings or the manual (also, check which way you do portrait shots :) |
| 22:07.43 | eidolon | yah, i do 'shutter button up' shots. |
| 22:07.44 | lauri | the orientation sensor might only know one direction |
| 22:07.59 | eidolon | no, thumbnail view is showing it sideways. |
| 22:08.04 | eidolon | lemme shoot the other way. |
| 22:08.55 | eidolon | nope, screenshot on the back of the camera showed still 'wrong' no matter how i hold the camera. |
| 22:09.01 | mankind_tweezer | weird. |
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| 22:09.08 | eidolon | you sure that 'auto-rotation' isn't a function of the upload software? |
| 22:09.38 | lauri | there is software? |
| 22:09.41 | lauri | heh |
| 22:09.49 | Tm_T | hmm, gimp ;p |
| 22:09.51 | eidolon | *snicker* right :) |
| 22:09.56 | mankind_tweezer | at least with my camera (Canon PowerShot) it just writes an EXIF tag with the orientation info |
| 22:09.59 | eidolon | i just mount the drive as /dev/sd1 /mnt |
| 22:10.01 | lauri | right, mine too |
| 22:10.02 | eidolon | the camera as it were. |
| 22:10.08 | eidolon | AAAAAAAAAAAAAANYWAY |
| 22:10.12 | lauri | eidolon: exactly, it's either in the exif info or not |
| 22:10.13 | eidolon | which brings us back to the original problem. |
| 22:10.29 | eidolon | which is, how do i rotate an image easily in konqueror. what i'm doing now is middle-clicking, which brings up kview. |
| 22:10.34 | eidolon | then i can do '7' to rotate it |
| 22:10.37 | lauri | (my father in law has my oly or I'd dig around it's menus for you, but it's a bit older than yours so probably different, they like to twiddle the damn things) |
| 22:10.41 | eidolon | and save it back, but that's... oogly. |
| 22:10.47 | lauri | eidolon: ok, well, again, digikam |
| 22:10.55 | lauri | which pretty much is like konqueror, but speaks camera |
| 22:11.21 | eidolon | huyh. this is ninteresting. |
| 22:11.22 | lauri | and understands things like, rotating thumbnails and images, by changing the exif data, not altering the jpeg data |
| 22:11.28 | lauri | since that's what it's for |
| 22:11.33 | eidolon | hmm. |
| 22:11.34 | mankind_tweezer | it's weird that "actions->transform->rotate" doesn't work |
| 22:11.35 | eidolon | interesting |
| 22:11.38 | eidolon | this is kuickshow |
| 22:11.44 | eidolon | it rotates the thumbnail only. |
| 22:11.46 | lauri | (and, what mankind_tweezer said, you can do it with jhead too) |
| 22:12.03 | eidolon | i don't want to use the command line :) otherwise i'd use the 'rotit.pl' script i wrote that uses netbpm already :) |
| 22:12.04 | lauri | eidolon: kuickshow is a bit of a weird beast |
| 22:12.07 | eidolon | hah! |
| 22:12.20 | mankind_tweezer | i wonder if there might be some funny interaction with the EXIF tag there. like it's rotating the image and also changing the orientation tag, and then the viewer app is reading that tag and rotating it BACK |
| 22:12.24 | lauri | showimg, digikan, and kimdaba, share image handling plugins |
| 22:12.28 | lauri | so any of those would do |
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| 22:12.37 | lauri | I don't remember if gwenview does, but it might be another |
| 22:12.41 | lauri | kview can use a few of them |
| 22:12.43 | eidolon | sheesh. so many choices. |
| 22:12.45 | lauri | kuickshow is all by itself |
| 22:13.01 | lauri | eidolon: well, snice its all so modular, they're each actually fairly small |
| 22:13.23 | eidolon | and kuickshow is stripping exif information. |
| 22:13.31 | eidolon | dbs@hunter:~/images/pics9$ exif.py *110* | more |
| 22:13.31 | eidolon | p1010110.jpg: |
| 22:13.31 | eidolon | No EXIF information found |
| 22:13.37 | mankind_tweezer | hmm, nope, that theory was wrong. actually, i just tried "actions-transform-rotate" on a JPG i had here and it worked fine |
| 22:13.42 | lauri | digikam let's you deal with the kamera, kimdaba is for managing libraries and albums of images, showimg/gwenview are general image viewers, like kuickshow |
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| 22:14.14 | eidolon | well, here's what i'm doing, lemme know which of these tools i should use. |
| 22:14.15 | lauri | so, I use digikam to get the images off, and do rough editing (ie, dumping the junk) |
| 22:14.34 | lauri | and then I edit further down and sort things into more final locations in kimdaba |
| 22:14.45 | lauri | cos it's got like keyword tagging and stuff |
| 22:14.55 | eidolon | i'm copying the images off the camera (at the moment manually mounting the camera as a drive). Then i rotate any images i need, toss out any that are butt ugly, then I copy them up to my image server. i have a script there that generates the albums. the copy up to the server is done via a 'fish' url I have bookmarked. |
| 22:15.07 | eidolon | any image editing or cropping i just do in GImp. |
| 22:15.17 | eidolon | this sounds like digikam will do it. |
| 22:15.22 | lauri | (bear in mind I take a *loooot* of photos', it's part of my day job :) |
| 22:15.23 | eidolon | assuming it's smart enough with the USB device. |
| 22:15.30 | eidolon | well, i ahve huge catalogs of images. |
| 22:15.33 | eidolon | i -love- taking pics. :) |
| 22:16.01 | lauri | yes, but I sometimes run off a thousand product shots in a day, and use 10 of em, most of my work flow is dedicated to getting rid of as many photos as possible :) |
| 22:16.05 | eidolon | shevett@lightship:~/public_html/newpix$ ls */*.jpg */*.JPG | wc |
| 22:16.05 | eidolon | bash: /bin/ls: Argument list too long |
| 22:16.05 | eidolon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.06 | eidolon | 8) |
| 22:16.18 | eidolon | cool - what do you do lauri? |
| 22:16.30 | eidolon | (anyway, i'm gonna install digikam - it's in debian's package manager) |
| 22:16.32 | lauri | graphic designer for an interior design company |
| 22:16.35 | eidolon | kewl. |
| 22:16.40 | eidolon | i -just- bought the 770. |
| 22:16.42 | lauri | graphic designer for an interior design ^product company |
| 22:17.24 | lauri | (the kipi plugins has this neato 'aspect ratio crop' I use a lot btw) |
| 22:17.40 | lauri | which i once spent like, forever, making a nice photoshop script to do |
| 22:17.52 | eidolon | http://planet-geek.com/archives/001255.html <-- this is my article yammering about my 770. with sample pictures. |
| 22:18.05 | lauri | (and it's still not even anywhere near as cool as the digikam stuff) |
| 22:18.38 | sarah03 | Hm. I only use photoshop when I'm too lazy to come up with the right commandline to use with netpbm. |
| 22:19.09 | sarah03 | [Yes. I'm crazy. I already knew that. :D ] |
| 22:19.12 | lauri | heh |
| 22:19.18 | eidolon | okay, digikam is installed. |
| 22:19.22 | lauri | interior design is like fashion, image is all |
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| 22:19.46 | lauri | I once put a not quite as sharp as it could be photo in a magazine ad, and they refused to print it :) |
| 22:19.53 | eidolon | heh |
| 22:20.08 | lauri | so, we take *way* too many photos, and treat 'em nice, and dump most of 'em |
| 22:20.19 | sarah03 | lauri: Fashion. Hm. You haven't seen the one picture of me that I bothered putting up online, then. |
| 22:20.24 | eidolon | http://planet-geek.com/images/p1010040.jpg <-- this is one of hte pictures i took on the first day, and i went "Okay, I LOVE this camera." |
| 22:20.27 | sarah03 | :D |
| 22:20.27 | eidolon | (that's my son :) |
| 22:20.38 | lauri | I was just looking at that :) |
| 22:21.17 | eidolon | he's playing with said camera as we type :) |
| 22:21.25 | lauri | i end up never taking enough photos of the kids, or just doing really boring ordinary snapshots when i do :) |
| 22:21.37 | mankind_tweezer | hmm, i was just googling for "olympus c770" and "orientation sensor" but i couldn't find anything incriminating -- maybe it really doesn't have it? |
| 22:21.41 | lauri | (to get a nice portrait of the youngest for her grandma, I ended up taking her to work and putting her in an ad :) |
| 22:21.46 | eidolon | *nodnod* i have pictures from the point he was born on up. i don't plan on ever stopping. |
| 22:22.06 | eidolon | (i had my old camera stolen, alas - so it's been a year and a half since i had a decent camera) :-/ |
| 22:22.18 | eidolon | i was really pining after a Digital Rebel, but i'm really happy with this one (1/3rd the price) |
| 22:22.48 | lauri | http://www.fruitsalad.org/albums/Kajsa/kajsa_4.jpg |
| 22:22.59 | lauri | (there's really only one of her |
| 22:23.01 | lauri | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.11 | eidolon | hee hee :) |
| 22:23.14 | eidolon | playing with gimp? :) |
| 22:23.25 | eidolon | that's nicely assembled. |
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| 22:24.19 | eidolon | is this digikam output? |
| 22:24.23 | eidolon | this is a nice browser. |
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| 22:26.32 | lauri | photoshop |
| 22:26.38 | lauri | I don't like gimp |
| 22:27.27 | eidolon | okay, so i'm in digikam |
| 22:27.34 | eidolon | trying to figure out how to get it to grok the camera. |
| 22:27.35 | eidolon | i added it. |
| 22:27.42 | eidolon | now w3hen i say 'add images' - should the camera be there? |
| 22:27.43 | lauri | anyway, I suck at candids and outdoor stuff |
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| 22:28.27 | lauri | it's so much easier to shoot things when the camera's on a tripod, I'm taking photos of furniture that stays where i put it, and lit how I want, and the camera's hooked up to a TV to frame things up :) |
| 22:29.23 | lauri | http://www.fruitsalad.org/gallery/Kajsa/throwing_rocks (I get lucky now and then though, this is my favourite ever picture of Kajsa) |
| 22:29.25 | strangeintp | can someone help me with a kdevelop install? |
| 22:30.06 | lauri | eidolon: if you tell it how to talk to your camera in the settings, yes |
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| 22:30.15 | eidolon | yah, i tried that. with add camera, yes? |
| 22:30.21 | lauri | yes |
| 22:30.24 | njaard | hi |
| 22:30.31 | njaard | HELO lauri |
| 22:30.31 | strangeintp | i "upgraded" to kdevelop 3.1.2 last night, and now I get this msg when I try to run kdevelop: KDEInit could not launch KDevelop |
| 22:30.55 | lauri | hey njaardyboy |
| 22:30.57 | eidolon | hm. |
| 22:31.20 | strangeintp | woah am I still here? |
| 22:31.20 | eidolon | digikam is purty :) |
| 22:31.21 | lauri | strangeintp: did you restart KDE in between? and did you install it to the same prefix as before? |
| 22:31.39 | strangeintp | I used rpmdrake |
| 22:31.45 | lauri | it could be a leftover .desktop file that hasn't caught up with the new location |
| 22:31.48 | strangeintp | and yes, I rebooted |
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| 22:32.11 | strangeintp | ah, you mean the desktop link just needs to be updated? |
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| 22:32.26 | dooglus | is there anything a program running in a Konsole tab can do to start a sub-process in a new Konsole tab? |
| 22:32.51 | strangeintp | hm when I check on the properties for it, it says modified 1259a 5/23/05, which is about when I installed it |
| 22:33.38 | strangeintp | so how do i fix? |
| 22:34.40 | njaard | knoppix to be exact |
| 22:34.44 | njaard | sez he likes it ;) |
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| 22:35.01 | strangeintp | heh, has he tried installing anything yet? |
| 22:35.11 | njaard | he's downloading kubuntu |
| 22:35.14 | masoft | what's the Gnome Default VNC client ? ( :)) don't worry ;) jokking) |
| 22:35.34 | strangeintp | brwosing around the gui and actually getting stuff changed are two very different things I've noticed |
| 22:35.48 | dooglus | I had my Mum running Linux for the first time ever today. She's using the Ubuntu Live CD. |
| 22:36.05 | dooglus | She prefers it to Windows for one reason: same-gnome |
| 22:36.30 | masoft | !same |
| 22:37.08 | Strychnine | i need a good tutorial or howto for learning socketed programming in liunx |
| 22:37.10 | masoft | dooglus, what is same ? |
| 22:37.16 | Strychnine | anyone got a url for me? |
| 22:37.25 | njaard | strangeintp: gg:Beej's Guide |
| 22:37.31 | njaard | er |
| 22:37.33 | masoft | Strychnine, I have a good one |
| 22:37.36 | njaard | Strychnine: gg:Beej's Guide |
| 22:37.48 | njaard | Strychnine: but for goodness sake's man, it's 2005, do it ipv6 :) |
| 22:37.48 | Strychnine | thx |
| 22:38.01 | Strychnine | lol |
| 22:38.12 | Strychnine | i dont know too much about ipv6 |
| 22:38.14 | masoft | Strychnine, same njaard said ;) search it in google, u will find it |
| 22:38.15 | njaard | it's not particularly hard, and ipv6 supports ipv4 implicitly |
| 22:38.17 | njaard | so just do that |
| 22:38.20 | Strychnine | ill tackle that next |
| 22:38.22 | sarah03 | Eh, if you can do ipv4 sockets, ipv6 sockets are easy. |
| 22:38.39 | eidolon | i -must- be doing something wrong with usb. this is frustrating :( |
| 22:38.43 | Strychnine | if i learn ipv6 can i use it with ipv4 |
| 22:38.49 | sarah03 | Strychnine: Yup. |
| 22:38.59 | Strychnine | where is that tutorial? |
| 22:39.04 | njaard | Strychnine: ::ffff:192.168.1.1 is an ipv6 address |
| 22:39.10 | strangeintp | hah, which guide? |
| 22:39.17 | strangeintp | theres a ton |
| 22:39.28 | strangeintp | need to narrow the search |
| 22:39.32 | njaard | every program I've written in the last 3 years supported ipv6 natively :) |
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| 22:39.39 | Strychnine | i want a good indepth one cause i know winsock |
| 22:39.41 | masoft | njaard, in fact ipv6 addresses are like 00:00:11:13:FA:33 .... :P |
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| 22:40.12 | njaard | masoft: inet6 addr: 2001:5c0:87ef:1::1/64 Scope:Global is my computer :) |
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| 22:40.23 | njaard | hi canllaith ! |
| 22:40.45 | strangeintp | all I see are Beej's guides to network programming, C++, and killing dragons |
| 22:40.52 | canllaith | hey njaard ! |
| 22:40.57 | njaard | yes, the network programming one, strangeintp |
| 22:41.52 | Strychnine | well i just needed a hard shove in the right direction |
| 22:41.53 | strangeintp | and why does this help me? |
| 22:41.58 | Strychnine | thx for the help |
| 22:42.10 | njaard | strangeintp: oh, that was to Strychnine. tab completion confused me |
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| 22:43.30 | forevertheuni | is there hey. is there any way to put the background(wallpaper) of kde with a movie? |
| 22:44.08 | Kryczek | i suppose so |
| 22:44.13 | Kryczek | since you can put a webpage |
| 22:44.17 | Kryczek | just put a webpage embedding a movie |
| 22:44.25 | njaard | yeah, take a screenshot of the video, save it as a jpeg ;) |
| 22:44.39 | strangeintp | so how do I fix the desktop link issue? |
| 22:44.45 | forevertheuni | lool |
| 22:44.51 | forevertheuni | njaard, ...not what I meant |
| 22:44.56 | forevertheuni | Kryczek, hmmm |
| 22:44.56 | strangeintp | i see nothing in the kdevelop.desktop file that references a version |
| 22:44.59 | grepper | then change the bg frame 50x second :) |
| 22:45.01 | forevertheuni | Kryczek, lol ok |
| 22:45.08 | lauri | strangeintp: I don't know if that is the issue, it seems the likely cause, and the answer is normally "edit the menu, and fix the path" |
| 22:45.12 | Kryczek | forevertheuni: it should work :| |
| 22:45.18 | lauri | but mandrake don't use the standard menu editor |
| 22:45.26 | strangeintp | DocPath=kdevelop/index.html |
| 22:45.50 | lauri | that's the documentation, relative to $KDE-PREFIX/share/doc/HTML/en/ |
| 22:45.56 | lauri | you want the exec path |
| 22:45.58 | strangeintp | eh thats probly not it |
| 22:46.14 | strangeintp | Exec=kdevelop %u |
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| 22:46.22 | njaard | annma!! |
| 22:46.45 | thiago | hey annma |
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| 22:46.51 | annma | hi thiago hi njaard |
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| 22:48.18 | strangeintp | dammit man this has been one heck of a frustrating experience |
| 22:48.47 | dooglus | masoft: same-gnome is a game that comes with gnome. I think there's something similar that comes with KDE |
| 22:49.02 | strangeintp | I've spent about 6 hours over the past 2 days trying to get kdevelop to a point I can compile a "hello world" app |
| 22:49.32 | Jejem | lol strangeintp |
| 22:49.44 | strangeintp | yeah yeah laugh away... |
| 22:49.46 | masoft | dooglus, thx, I saw it :P |
| 22:49.53 | strangeintp | laugh at the Linux noob |
| 22:50.18 | strangeintp | cripes |
| 22:50.43 | canllaith | Don't begrudge us our payment! ;) |
| 22:50.50 | strangeintp | :) |
| 22:50.55 | strangeintp | like I said, laugh away |
| 22:51.16 | canllaith | scp panorama2.jpg canllaith@hoult.org:web |
| 22:51.18 | canllaith | sod |
| 22:51.25 | lauri | the exec line looks ok |
| 22:51.31 | lauri | so try run it from a terminal |
| 22:51.48 | strangeintp | friggin Mandrak 10.0 didn't ship with the right autoconf file to work with kdevelop... |
| 22:52.13 | Jejem | (mdk sucks :p) |
| 22:52.21 | lauri | and if that works, try `which kdevelop` and copy the entire path to the .desktop file (note the backticks in there) |
| 22:52.34 | lauri | vacuum cleaners suck, mandrake is just being non-optimal :) |
| 22:52.53 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/panorama2.jpg |
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| 22:53.18 | sarah03 | lauri: That depends on who made the vacuum cleaner. ;) |
| 22:53.19 | njaard | canllaith: wooo |
| 22:53.24 | njaard | canllaith: I can see mordor! |
| 22:53.24 | annma | canllaith: cool |
| 22:53.26 | strangeintp | gah I ran "kde" in the shell and got some kind of fatal server error |
| 22:53.31 | annma | a bit cloudy |
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| 22:53.42 | canllaith | ... there is no binary called kde is there? |
| 22:53.42 | annma | just like here today |
| 22:53.51 | canllaith | annma, yeah it's winter here :( can't wait for summer again |
| 22:53.56 | strangeintp | dunno, it was a misttype |
| 22:54.07 | annma | for winter it seems nice! |
| 22:54.13 | canllaith | :) |
| 22:54.16 | annma | no snow! |
| 22:54.25 | strangeintp | kde and kdevelop are too similar for a noob to note the difference without actively thinking about it |
| 22:54.50 | canllaith | No, not in Wellington. It's not so cold here |
| 22:55.00 | annma | strangeintp: what kdevelop version? a kde template? |
| 22:55.04 | canllaith | Down south in Hanmer Springs where I used to live, a foot of snow. |
| 22:55.06 | strangeintp | this what I got: $ kdevelop |
| 22:55.06 | strangeintp | kdevelop: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdevpropertyeditor.so.0: undefined symbol: _ZN13KListViewItem10insertItemEP13QListViewItem |
| 22:55.09 | Paleo | does kontact support syncing with PDA ? |
| 22:55.18 | annma | strangeintp: wow, seems a mismatch in kdelibs |
| 22:55.28 | canllaith | Either that |
| 22:55.30 | strangeintp | annma, I tried installing 3.1.2 last night |
| 22:55.31 | canllaith | Or KDEDIR is not in ld.so.conf |
| 22:55.32 | annma | strangeintp: what distro? |
| 22:55.45 | strangeintp | rpmdrake told me it was successful. Mandrake 10.0 |
| 22:56.07 | annma | strangeintp: only 1 kde version on your machine? |
| 22:56.13 | canllaith | Why 3.1.2 out of curiosity? I thought that mandrake came with 3.2.3 |
| 22:56.20 | strangeintp | i had 3.0 or whatever it was |
| 22:56.56 | annma | strangeintp: 3.0 for KDE or kdevelop? |
| 22:57.08 | strangeintp | lol don't know, can't check the version now |
| 22:57.08 | masoft | anybody tried KDE 3.5 ? |
| 22:57.19 | strangeintp | oh ok, n/m |
| 22:57.21 | strangeintp | hold on |
| 22:57.23 | annma | masoft: <cough>where is that??? |
| 22:57.29 | njaard | canllaith: http://www.derkarl.org/pics/nature/westward.jpg |
| 22:57.33 | strangeintp | eh, how do I check KDE version? |
| 22:57.35 | annma | masoft: 3.5 is not out yet |
| 22:57.41 | strangeintp | I think it says 3.2 on startup |
| 22:57.51 | masoft | annma, excuse me, my mean was 3.4 ! |
| 22:57.55 | annma | it being what, strangeintp? |
| 22:58.05 | strangeintp | ah, KDE splash screen |
| 22:58.36 | canllaith | njaard, oh lovely |
| 22:58.37 | strangeintp | crapola... i tried "kde --version" and I got fatal error again |
| 22:58.54 | njaard | canllaith: yeah, I had to depollute it with the gimp though :| |
| 22:59.08 | njaard | canllaith: that dir has other nice ones though |
| 22:59.47 | strangeintp | gah... how do I check kde version? |
| 22:59.47 | canllaith | strangeintp, kde-config --version |
| 22:59.47 | canllaith | or Help -> About KDE from any KDE application |
| 23:00.03 | strangeintp | Qt: 3.2.3 |
| 23:00.03 | strangeintp | KDE: 3.2 BRANCH >= 20040204 |
| 23:00.03 | strangeintp | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 23:00.35 | strangeintp | so how does that help me with my kdevelop install |
| 23:02.21 | canllaith | You'll need to use the kdevelop packages that go with that version of KDE from Mandrake. Either that or upgrade all of KDE. |
| 23:03.06 | strangeintp | gah |
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| 23:03.41 | strangeintp | the old package didn't work |
| 23:03.47 | masoft | why do u choosed KDE ? what's wrong with Gnome ? |
| 23:03.53 | *** part/#kde supergnu (~supergnu@pD9E4ADA6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:03.54 | strangeintp | thats why i upgraded it in the first place |
| 23:03.55 | canllaith | Was it for the right KDE version? |
| 23:03.59 | canllaith | masoft, go and troll elsewhere |
| 23:04.12 | strangeintp | or gnome elsewhere, rather |
| 23:04.17 | annma | masoft: it's a matter of taste, choose gnome if you want and go to #gnome |
| 23:04.34 | annma | masoft: here we're in #kde and we speak about kde |
| 23:04.44 | annma | logically |
| 23:04.57 | strangeintp | the version of kdevelop that shipped with mandrake 10.0 depended on autoconf 2.59, but 10.0 shipped with 2.13 |
| 23:05.05 | masoft | annma, I want choose ! but I must know why u choosed KDE ? (I didn't ask why u choosed Gnome !!!) |
| 23:05.14 | canllaith | strangeintp, ah easy it has both |
| 23:05.25 | canllaith | you export WANT_AUTOCONF_2.59 or something like that |
| 23:05.38 | annma | masoft: because it's the best, because it rules, because it's good, because it's stable |
| 23:05.39 | strangeintp | well when I tried compiling, it told me atoconf version was wrong |
| 23:05.41 | canllaith | Both mandrake and gentoo have this |
| 23:05.46 | annma | because kde devels rules |
| 23:05.53 | canllaith | yes, because you did not export WANT_AUTOCONF=2.5 |
| 23:06.07 | annma | masoft: because we like it and we like kde community |
| 23:06.09 | canllaith | mandrake and gentoo both use a wrapper to pick a certain version of autoconf |
| 23:06.10 | strangeintp | I need to put that in my .bashrc? |
| 23:06.20 | masoft | annma, in my test Gnome was faster than KDE. Something wrong with me or it's right ? |
| 23:06.28 | canllaith | Or type it into the terminal just before compiling something? Either one. |
| 23:06.32 | annma | something's wrong with you |
| 23:07.03 | annma | masoft: gives precise facts and figures |
| 23:07.03 | masoft | annma, so KDE is faster than gnome ? |
| 23:07.03 | annma | on what you use |
| 23:07.03 | annma | masoft: faster: define that |
| 23:07.05 | strangeintp | so what do I now? go back to old kdevelop version or upgrade KDE? |
| 23:07.24 | masoft | annma, programs run faster in one Environment ! |
| 23:07.30 | annma | masoft: I don't give a shit if gnome of faster than kde by a fraction of milliseconds |
| 23:07.37 | dooglus | masoft: masoft: the same programs? |
| 23:07.39 | canllaith | Given that all you probably have to do is export an environment variable to make the old one work, I'd suggest trying that first |
| 23:07.52 | annma | masoft: give program names and figures please |
| 23:07.53 | masoft | dooglus, same program with command "time" |
| 23:08.03 | annma | command time? |
| 23:08.04 | strangeintp | well the point is, my current kdevelop install don't work |
| 23:08.04 | canllaith | urg... but that doesn't work on KDE apps |
| 23:08.07 | dooglus | masoft: GDK programs, by any chance? |
| 23:08.07 | canllaith | they immediately fork |
| 23:08.15 | lippel | command time and gui apps? |
| 23:08.18 | annma | masoft: is time a kde app? |
| 23:08.28 | canllaith | You *cannot* measure KDE apps using time, because of this. If you're measuring GTK apps that's just silly. |
| 23:08.36 | canllaith | and time is a downright silly tool for measuring anything gui |
| 23:08.38 | masoft | annma, time is a general command ! like ls :P |
| 23:08.47 | annma | masoft: what speeds then? |
| 23:08.50 | lippel | how can you "time" an interactive app? |
| 23:08.50 | annma | figures! |
| 23:08.53 | strangeintp | why do I have a feeling that KDE vs. gnome is a perrenial argument |
| 23:08.58 | canllaith | KDE apps immediately fork.... |
| 23:09.07 | canllaith | No, this isn't about KDE vs Gnome |
| 23:09.10 | masoft | annma, 14 secs for KDE, 11 secs for Gnome |
| 23:09.17 | annma | 14 secs??? |
| 23:09.22 | canllaith | this is about making silly unsubstanciated claims. It could be opera vs firefox if he was saying something this ludicrous |
| 23:09.24 | annma | for what exact command???? |
| 23:09.34 | masoft | It was a Image processing program ... take lot of time :P |
| 23:09.41 | annma | masoft: and why do we care??? |
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| 23:09.57 | annma | masoft: go use gnome and go praise gnome in #gnome |
| 23:10.20 | dooglus | what? #gnome is for slagging off gnome and praising KDE - don't you guys know ANYTHING? ;) |
| 23:10.22 | annma | we're all perfectly happy here with kde |
| 23:10.23 | strangeintp | so what the heck am I supposed to do throw my hands up and go try programming in windoze |
| 23:10.33 | canllaith | strangeintp, you've been given solutions dude, why not try them? |
| 23:10.33 | chase | anyone know if Korganisers Journals can be used with Wordpress? |
| 23:10.42 | strangeintp | which one? |
| 23:10.43 | canllaith | You can go back to the old kdevelop and try exporting WANT_AUTOCONF=2.5 |
| 23:10.45 | masoft | annma, if I will beleive it's better, of course I do |
| 23:10.51 | annma | masoft: don |
| 23:10.55 | chase | i found a bit under the control panle for adding a journal as blog from server |
| 23:10.56 | annma | t troll us |
| 23:10.58 | strangeintp | I dont HOW to go back to the old kdevelop |
| 23:10.59 | canllaith | you can try upgrading all of your KDE including kdevelop to the latest version you can try |
| 23:11.06 | canllaith | Well, say that instead of talking shit about windows |
| 23:11.06 | chase | but dont know who its setup |
| 23:11.14 | annma | lame so called 'facts' about speed are just...lame |
| 23:11.34 | strangeintp | just install all the stuff I downloaded from urpi.addmedia, you mean? |
| 23:11.35 | canllaith | strangeintp, you use rpmdrake? I'm not sure about that program but from the konsole it's rpm -e rpmname to remove an rpm |
| 23:11.38 | StevenR | annma: especially cos time cannot measure interactive apps |
| 23:11.42 | canllaith | I have no idea what urpmi.addmedia is |
| 23:11.47 | njaard | you know, to be fair, I haven't gotten kdevelop to work in a long time |
| 23:11.53 | njaard | but OTOH, I haven't tried in almost as long ;) |
| 23:12.05 | strangeintp | urpmi is supposed to be the new replacement for rpm, from what I gather |
| 23:12.06 | annma | njaard: comeon, I am developing a new app for my daughter ion it right now |
| 23:12.13 | canllaith | strangeintp, not so. |
| 23:12.16 | strangeintp | supposed to be all that and more or something |
| 23:12.23 | annma | I tested all the kde templates for kdevelop |
| 23:12.25 | canllaith | rpm is a packaging format, urpmi simply downloads and resolves dependancies |
| 23:12.30 | canllaith | They are not the same thing |
| 23:12.33 | lippel | and ignores all the compile and debugging stuff |
| 23:13.02 | strangeintp | so how do I upgrade all that stuff from the console? is there one command to do that? |
| 23:13.11 | strangeintp | or do I have to install each individual package? |
| 23:13.12 | canllaith | You'll have to ask other mandrake users how to manage the mandrake packaging system. |
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| 23:14.21 | strangeintp | so you would suggest removing my current kdevelop install, downloading the old one and reinstalling it, then exporting autoconf 2.59 |
| 23:14.27 | canllaith | Yes |
| 23:14.34 | strangeintp | ok... |
| 23:14.40 | canllaith | If you make that export WANT_AUTOCONF=2.5 |
| 23:14.47 | canllaith | or setenv WANT_AUTOCONF 2.5 |
| 23:14.51 | canllaith | depending on shell |
| 23:15.00 | strangeintp | ok |
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| 23:16.07 | annma | strangeintp: you want to develop for windows on kdevelop? |
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| 23:17.26 | strangeintp | annma: lol, actually, yes, but that's not the near-term goal |
| 23:17.46 | strangeintp | I want to develop a cross-platform app |
| 23:17.57 | annma | ! |
| 23:18.07 | annma | do you know C++? |
| 23:18.09 | strangeintp | so I'm building on linux, friend building on win, nother guy building on mac |
| 23:18.21 | annma | ! |
| 23:18.22 | strangeintp | annma.. yes, just not a linux user |
| 23:18.33 | annma | so qt only? |
| 23:18.43 | strangeintp | no, console |
| 23:18.47 | strangeintp | no windowing |
| 23:18.51 | annma | oh, god |
| 23:18.56 | strangeintp | ? |
| 23:19.00 | strangeintp | its a game |
| 23:19.04 | annma | do you need kdevelop for that? |
| 23:19.09 | annma | a game? console? |
| 23:19.09 | strangeintp | its got graphics, will have a gui |
| 23:19.23 | strangeintp | just not reliant on native windowing system |
| 23:19.28 | annma | what toolkit then? |
| 23:19.31 | juk | sdl? |
| 23:19.32 | strangeintp | ogre3d |
| 23:19.42 | canllaith | oooh nice |
| 23:20.09 | strangeintp | which required sdl, Cg, and devIL to be installed before I could install it |
| 23:20.48 | strangeintp | so no, I don't need kdevelop per se... would just like a decent IDE |
| 23:21.35 | strangeintp | although I sometimes lament the power and control I had in the old DOS days, I'm not so keen on building from the console |
| 23:21.47 | juk | crap.. that sounds cool.. ogre3d |
| 23:21.59 | canllaith | power in DOS? It has like, 4 commands! :P |
| 23:22.03 | strangeintp | check it out: http://www.ogre3d.org |
| 23:22.04 | canllaith | no job control .... |
| 23:22.27 | strangeintp | hehe, well, relative to what I have over these complicated OSs nowadays |
| 23:23.01 | canllaith | The complicated OS gives you far more power and control, it just is a steeper learning curve (and a far longer one) to use it |
| 23:23.10 | lippel | strangeintp: what kind of game do you want to write? |
| 23:23.25 | strangeintp | yeah, go ahead and start laughing now... MMO |
| 23:23.37 | strangeintp | but not an RPG |
| 23:23.53 | strangeintp | sort of, but not quite |
| 23:24.04 | juk | reading up on it now.. |
| 23:24.08 | strangeintp | sure, so do I |
| 23:24.12 | nexu | rocket propelled granade? |
| 23:24.21 | strangeintp | but they're all sort of the same right now |
| 23:24.48 | strangeintp | I can direct you to my site, if anyone is interested |
| 23:25.23 | lippel | heh, i would spend too much time playing these games, so i better don't start ;-) |
| 23:25.29 | strangeintp | all we have at this point is a design document, though |
| 23:25.49 | strangeintp | hehe, my objective for this week was to get something compiled and running in linux |
| 23:26.10 | njaard | g++ foo.cpp ? |
| 23:26.26 | annma | lol |
| 23:26.39 | strangeintp | yeah well... |
| 23:26.54 | strangeintp | something using the IDE... |
| 23:27.09 | annma | what build system will you use? |
| 23:27.17 | canllaith | well, or emacs. |
| 23:27.18 | njaard | I never make mistakes |
| 23:27.18 | njaard | ever |
| 23:27.24 | strangeintp | sheesh... um, KDE? |
| 23:27.28 | canllaith | njaard, you're so l33t. You're my idol. |
| 23:27.28 | strangeintp | or kdevelop rather? |
| 23:27.32 | annma | strangeintp: build system |
| 23:27.33 | njaard | Has anyone /ever/ seen me make a miskate? |
| 23:27.36 | njaard | I didn't think so |
| 23:27.40 | annma | <cough> |
| 23:27.51 | canllaith | Never, oh master. |
| 23:27.53 | strangeintp | i don't know what you're asking |
| 23:27.56 | njaard | that was intentional :) |
| 23:28.14 | annma | strangeintp: as for building your files |
| 23:28.20 | strangeintp | I can program... when it comes to building and compiling stuff, thats a learning curve |
| 23:28.21 | annma | what will you use |
| 23:28.25 | lippel | ogre seems to have a nice API. i tried crystalspace once when i just started learning c++... |
| 23:28.28 | strangeintp | i dont know, make? |
| 23:28.29 | lippel | not a good idea |
| 23:28.42 | strangeintp | lippel, we were evaluating crystalspace as well |
| 23:28.43 | njaard | it's a lot easier to use C++ when you know C++ |
| 23:29.07 | annma | beard? |
| 23:29.11 | annma | now! |
| 23:29.23 | njaard | yes :) it's been growing for almost two weeks |
| 23:29.24 | strangeintp | I DO know C++... well, a little rusty... but I used it quite a bit, but codewarrior had a very easy-to-use build enviro |
| 23:29.27 | annma | pic! pic! |
| 23:29.29 | njaard | itches like mad |
| 23:29.43 | annma | pic! |
| 23:29.49 | strangeintp | all this makefile build stuff is kind of beyond me right now |
| 23:29.52 | njaard | oh fine ;) |
| 23:30.00 | njaard | $ locate camera |
| 23:30.27 | njaard | locate: in shelf under desk |
| 23:30.32 | strangeintp | lippel: people have been raving about torque3d as well, but it just didn't strike me as the right way to go, can't define it |
| 23:30.58 | strangeintp | it may have been the licensing scheme, or wasn't platform independent |
| 23:32.36 | strangeintp | what happened to everyone all of a sudden? |
| 23:32.47 | njaard | I fell off a bridge |
| 23:32.51 | njaard | I'm ok now, though |
| 23:33.26 | annma | lol |
| 23:33.48 | annma | I got stinked by a cobra |
| 23:33.54 | annma | but I managed to survive |
| 23:33.58 | njaard | annma: is the cobra ok? |
| 23:34.06 | annma | no, it died |
| 23:34.09 | njaard | poor thing |
| 23:34.11 | annma | instantanously |
| 23:34.18 | njaard | you have that kind of blood, eh? |
| 23:34.31 | annma | that kind of kick you mena |
| 23:34.33 | annma | mean |
| 23:34.45 | njaard | meanyhead |
| 23:34.49 | njaard | in the words of lauri's kids :) |
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| 23:37.26 | njaard | annma: http://ark.derkarl.org/~charles/charles.jpg :) |
| 23:38.02 | annma | oh, cool! |
| 23:38.26 | njaard | annma: I'm like *so* much more manly than you!! :) |
| 23:38.32 | annma | lol |
| 23:38.40 | annma | well I won't contest that |
| 23:39.16 | njaard | I bet my beard's way longer than yours |
| 23:39.40 | annma | lol |
| 23:39.45 | njaard | and canllaith's too |
| 23:41.52 | sarah03 | lol |
| 23:42.02 | njaard | oh, and sarah's as well :] |
| 23:44.16 | sarah03 | I walked in at the wrong time, didn't I? |
| 23:44.31 | njaard | sarah03: you're just jealous |
| 23:45.16 | sarah03 | njaard: Not really. |
| 23:45.31 | njaard | sarah03: you don't fool me |
| 23:45.33 | sarah03 | I'd rather have a smooth face than a hairy one. |
| 23:45.59 | njaard | sarah03: it's smooth if you stroke it in the right direction |
| 23:46.15 | sarah03 | njaard: Stubble sucks. |
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| 23:46.49 | njaard | sarah03: it certainly is when it itches |
| 23:47.47 | sarah03 | Anyway... I've got things to do and the bank closes in a little more than an hour. |
| 23:47.56 | sarah03 | And the bank is just far enough away that it takes an hour to get there. |
| 23:48.05 | sarah03 | So... bbl & such. |
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| 23:57.18 | arno | is there somebody up this hour ? |
| 23:57.27 | Dubhghaill | just about :-) |
| 23:59.02 | arno | can you check http://82.226.47.76:9999/snapshot.png for me ... i'd like to know wether my fw is open ... |
| 23:59.30 | Dubhghaill | seems to be working fine |
| 23:59.49 | arno | cool |
| 23:59.51 | arno | thx |
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| 23:59.57 | Dubhghaill | no problem |
