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| 00:52.49 | AssociateX | hello |
| 00:53.09 | AssociateX | what is the app called that has a calander off the task bar? |
| 00:54.15 | AssociateX | it also is like a scheduling app |
| 00:54.31 | AssociateX | for personal memo's |
| 00:54.38 | SuperLag | korgac is how you start it, I believe |
| 00:56.03 | AssociateX | yeap, that was it, thanks a ton |
| 00:56.08 | SuperLag | you bet |
| 00:57.30 | AssociateX | it started but I can't get it to ope |
| 00:57.34 | AssociateX | open* |
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| 01:01.44 | orangey | hey all! |
| 01:02.12 | orangey | is there any decent way to look at somebody's free/busy information without essentially creating an event and adding them as an attendee? |
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| 01:09.02 | jhight | Hello, I'm trying to allow KDE to ALT+TAB to windows on all desktops ... how/where can I set this behaviour? |
| 01:09.16 | jhight | (as opposed to just the current desktop) |
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| 01:14.44 | Dhraakellian | jhight, kcontrol > Desktop > Window Behavior |
| 01:14.56 | Dhraakellian | [x] Traverse windows on all desktops |
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| 01:27.50 | jhight | Dhraakellian : thank you |
| 01:28.00 | Dhraakellian | no problem |
| 01:28.33 | jhight | spent far too many hours over the past couple of days trying to find that little check box =) |
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| 01:40.20 | canllaith | Best to ask your distro, as the scripts that run the DM are highly distro specific |
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| 01:55.09 | brenton | anyone know what would cause (or better yet, how to fix) |
| 01:55.29 | brenton | this strange error that's popping up as i enter kde |
| 01:55.49 | brenton | "Will not save configuration" |
| 01:55.58 | brenton | "Configuration file /home/brenton/.kde/share/config/ksplashrc is not writable" |
| 01:56.07 | brenton | I've looked at the permissions on that file, and nothing seems strange, and I don't know what would make kde start complaining all of a sudden |
| 01:56.16 | canllaith | Check the permissions on every directory in the path |
| 01:56.23 | brenton | ok |
| 01:56.27 | canllaith | If you don't have wrx to all of them it wont write to it. |
| 01:57.42 | brenton | yea, they're all rwx |
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| 01:58.00 | yanger | is kde ready for sli cards? |
| 01:58.19 | aseigo | brenton: what does `touch /home/brenton/.kde/share/config/ksplashrc` do for you at the command line? |
| 01:58.24 | aseigo | sli? |
| 01:58.27 | brenton | the ksplashrc file is just rw------ |
| 01:58.51 | aseigo | brenton: but owned by whom? |
| 01:58.54 | yanger | nvidia sli based motherboards and video cards |
| 01:59.02 | yanger | 2 nvidia cards? |
| 01:59.14 | brenton | that's what's strange, it says owned by root... |
| 01:59.26 | apow | +_+ |
| 01:59.35 | brenton | and i'm on kubuntu... to my knowledge there's no real root... |
| 01:59.41 | aseigo | yanger: sorry.. i'm not much of a h/w geek. don't know what 'sli' is =) are you asking if KDE works in dual monitor situations? |
| 01:59.48 | apow | yanger: it's not about kde |
| 01:59.53 | aseigo | brenton: well, owned by root and 600 would be the problem. |
| 01:59.55 | apow | it's about xfree/xorg |
| 01:59.55 | yanger | apow, it's not? |
| 02:00.01 | yanger | ohh.. dur |
| 02:00.02 | aseigo | well, that's half true |
| 02:00.12 | apow | does nvidia driver already support sli? |
| 02:00.23 | aseigo | X does the xinerama/dual head/twinview/whatever.. but kdesktop, kwin, kicker, etc.. have to be smart about supportin it |
| 02:00.24 | yanger | so my next q won't work here too :P quad monitor support |
| 02:00.25 | apow | check the docs |
| 02:00.31 | apow | aseigo: sli != dual head. |
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| 02:00.51 | brenton | ok, i'll see if i can change it back to brenton.... i don't know how it would have gotten changed |
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| 02:00.54 | yanger | off to xorg i guess |
| 02:01.01 | brenton | thanks! |
| 02:01.07 | yanger | but.. has anyone tried a quad monitor setup? |
| 02:01.21 | aseigo | yes |
| 02:01.23 | apow | sli is two cards sharing the load of 3d rendering |
| 02:01.26 | aseigo | it works fine.. |
| 02:01.49 | yanger | just bought 4 15" LCDs for $299 with $90 rebates on them |
| 02:02.01 | apow | o_O |
| 02:02.11 | aseigo | "scalable link interface" ahh.. i see. |
| 02:02.17 | apow | each by 299? or the whole bunch by 299? |
| 02:02.23 | yanger | each |
| 02:02.26 | apow | ah |
| 02:02.33 | apow | i almost fell from the chair |
| 02:02.35 | apow | :P |
| 02:02.42 | yanger | but it's .22 pixeldepth or something |
| 02:02.55 | yanger | most are .28 or .26 |
| 02:02.56 | yanger | :| |
| 02:03.10 | apow | i believe you are refering to dot pitch |
| 02:03.21 | apow | the smaller the better |
| 02:03.24 | yanger | that's it |
| 02:03.25 | apow | canllaith: hehe :) |
| 02:03.30 | yanger | yeah, i heard |
| 02:03.31 | yanger | :P |
| 02:03.35 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/picture3.png |
| 02:03.36 | canllaith | yay! |
| 02:03.38 | yanger | couldn't resist |
| 02:04.03 | yanger | distcc? |
| 02:04.19 | canllaith | distributed compiling. I have two pcs compiling the same KDE build at the same time, helping each other |
| 02:04.20 | yanger | ooh, i have to try that someday too |
| 02:04.39 | yanger | one side already has kde? |
| 02:04.48 | canllaith | They both already have KDE - not that it matters |
| 02:05.02 | yanger | so why r u re-compiling kde? |
| 02:05.03 | apow | canllaith: imagine 8 mac minis sitting stacked on top of each other |
| 02:05.11 | canllaith | DO NOT STACK MAC MINI! |
| 02:05.15 | canllaith | yanger: because it's KDE cvs |
| 02:05.17 | yanger | that's alot of heat |
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| 02:05.22 | yanger | canllaith, ohh.. |
| 02:05.26 | canllaith | and do not eat iPod shuffle |
| 02:05.26 | apow | sitting side by side then |
| 02:05.33 | canllaith | :) they slow though |
| 02:05.35 | aseigo | hm... so apparently sli isn't supported yet by the drivers |
| 02:05.43 | canllaith | Both the desktops here kick mac mini's ass |
| 02:05.43 | apow | that's a cheap compile farm |
| 02:05.45 | aseigo | though nvidia will be releasing ones that do eventually |
| 02:05.46 | yanger | mac mini running linux - slow? |
| 02:06.07 | apow | cheap, silent, size efficient |
| 02:06.09 | canllaith | They are a 1.5GHz ish |
| 02:06.16 | aseigo | anything running on the mac mini is slowish |
| 02:06.24 | canllaith | I have a 3200 and an overclocked 2.4 running at 3.0 |
| 02:06.27 | aseigo | they aren't very fast machines. good enough, but... yeah. |
| 02:06.37 | canllaith | It would make a GORGEOUS little desktop machine. |
| 02:06.45 | canllaith | I don't think I want to use them as a compile farm though. |
| 02:06.46 | aseigo | apow: US$500 is cheap by apple standards maybe =) |
| 02:06.58 | apow | aseigo: would you rather have 8 pcs sitting in your bedroom? :P |
| 02:07.02 | canllaith | I can build 2.4Ghz machines including screen keyboard mouse etc |
| 02:07.06 | apow | good luck with the noise/heat :) |
| 02:07.11 | canllaith | For $300 less than a mac mini |
| 02:07.14 | canllaith | How is that cheap? |
| 02:07.18 | aseigo | a) i live in canada. heating is good. |
| 02:07.23 | apow | oh |
| 02:07.29 | aseigo | b) noise doesn't bother me, and modern PCs aren't that noise . |
| 02:07.39 | yanger | distcc ... there's not much difference on 10 PCs running 1.6ghz to 5 PCs running 3.02ghz? |
| 02:07.43 | aseigo | though the opteron server i was working on today was like a f |
| 02:07.46 | aseigo | reakin banshee |
| 02:07.54 | apow | :P |
| 02:08.00 | canllaith | yanger: That assumes I want to pay twice as much for 10 1.6Ghz pcs |
| 02:08.05 | canllaith | which frankly, I don't =p |
| 02:08.31 | yanger | twice as much? |
| 02:08.33 | canllaith | I'd rather pay half the price, get 5 semperon 2500's or something and stick them in the garage |
| 02:08.42 | yanger | ohh i see |
| 02:08.42 | canllaith | Oh yes, I can build pcs much cheaper than a mini |
| 02:08.50 | aseigo | canllaith: you aren't using icecream? |
| 02:08.52 | canllaith | They might be cheap compared to what you can buy off the shelf in wallmart |
| 02:09.00 | yanger | but semprons have small cache.. eh? |
| 02:09.02 | canllaith | aseigo: No, not yet. I'm going to try unsermake + icecream once I've timed this |
| 02:09.11 | yanger | or does the cache not matter when compiling? |
| 02:09.13 | canllaith | yanger: half the price, same performance...... |
| 02:09.18 | canllaith | You're missing the point =p |
| 02:09.22 | aseigo | canllaith: i still have yet to try unsermake =P |
| 02:09.24 | canllaith | It doesn't take much for a 2500 to be faster than a 1600 |
| 02:09.41 | canllaith | and I can build them cheap cheap cheap |
| 02:09.42 | yanger | but would you feel the speed differences? |
| 02:09.44 | aseigo | moslty because i'm lazy. |
| 02:09.52 | canllaith | I would feel the difference in my wallet dude. |
| 02:09.57 | yanger | heh |
| 02:10.08 | canllaith | $350 for a semperon 2500 (no hard disk because I wouldn't need one) |
| 02:10.12 | canllaith | $1000 for a mac mini |
| 02:10.18 | canllaith | I think the semperon wins. |
| 02:10.25 | yanger | how much ram would u need to make distcc work? |
| 02:10.28 | canllaith | (Before you all jump up and down, not all the world uses USD:P) |
| 02:10.37 | canllaith | The smallest DDR modules I can buy now are 256MB |
| 02:10.45 | canllaith | They're so cheap I wouldn't bother trying to source smaller ones |
| 02:10.58 | yanger | so when setting up a cluster of distcc's, it's all about the CPUs and nothing else? |
| 02:11.09 | canllaith | and the networking hardware |
| 02:11.09 | apow | i wonder if those 1gb sticks will work in my a7v600 |
| 02:11.22 | yanger | 100mbit connections? |
| 02:11.31 | canllaith | I'd want to shell out for intel or broadcom cards |
| 02:11.33 | yanger | or would it be better on a gigabit? |
| 02:11.47 | canllaith | (assuming I was being serious here about a huge damn thing I wasn't paying for) |
| 02:11.49 | apow | 1792mb of ram would be sweet :D |
| 02:12.02 | yanger | 4gb of ram would be great too |
| 02:12.05 | canllaith | At the moment I'm using one forcedeth one 8139too |
| 02:12.12 | canllaith | 100Mbit on the same switch |
| 02:12.23 | yanger | i see |
| 02:12.28 | yanger | thanks for the nfo :P |
| 02:12.33 | canllaith | I don't have any gigabit networking hardware here.... |
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| 02:12.49 | yanger | but then, distcc is only for compiling, eh? any other usage for CPU clusters? |
| 02:12.49 | canllaith | I'm going to assume just a network card that doesn't take too many cpu cycles will do the trick to scale this up though |
| 02:12.55 | canllaith | yanger: render farms |
| 02:13.08 | yanger | graphics rendering? |
| 02:13.11 | canllaith | yup |
| 02:13.13 | Oleg_ | canllaith: glad to see you |
| 02:13.18 | canllaith | Heya Oleg_ |
| 02:13.35 | canllaith | yanger: I'm thinking very small scale though :) Pick up maybe 3 - 4 athlon 2Ghzish and netboot them from the 3200 |
| 02:13.45 | canllaith | Since I can get desktop pcs and components very very cheaply |
| 02:14.14 | yanger | ah, netbooting would be cheaper |
| 02:14.23 | yanger | no floppies or hdds |
| 02:14.39 | yanger | might as well get empty rackmounts then? |
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| 02:45.39 | Oleg_ | the one from the 1980s? |
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| 03:54.40 | mattr | aseigo: what up dude? nice bike for the p-man btw |
| 03:55.06 | mattr | canllaith: heya! *hugs* |
| 03:55.22 | canllaith | :) |
| 03:55.32 | aseigo | mattr: yeah... it's totally cute... people stop us on the street to gawk at him on his bike =P |
| 03:56.07 | mattr | aseigo: does it got the training wheels on it still, or he riding w/o them? |
| 03:56.25 | aseigo | mattr: he just got it, so the training wheels are sitll on it... |
| 03:56.59 | mattr | aseigo: ahh, didn't know if he was up to the "look ma! no training wheels!" part yet |
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| 03:59.01 | mattr | night |
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| 04:09.05 | AnotherData | kinfocenter crashes on me when i go to the opengl section any ideas? |
| 04:10.28 | aseigo | that your qt isn't linked against gl libs properly. |
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| 04:10.53 | AnotherData | oh.. |
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| 04:19.42 | vanRijn | as in... when it should be done and in what format? |
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| 05:03.07 | klees | is there a way to resize the panel icons? |
| 05:03.27 | klees | under control center->icon->advanced the option is greyed out |
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| 05:18.40 | Etheriel | Heyo, everyone. |
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| 05:51.50 | chx_ | help! I forgot my wallet password! help! |
| 05:52.56 | chx_ | and what's more KDE panel is corrupted -- no menu, no clock, it's badly broken :( |
| 05:53.39 | Venson | chx_: you can add what's not there |
| 05:53.47 | chx_ | Venson: how? |
| 05:54.06 | chx_ | but more importantly, how can I get into my wallet? I thought I knew my password :( |
| 05:54.26 | Venson | chx_: right-click on the panel, add to panel, applet ....choose what you want to add from there |
| 05:54.48 | chx_ | OK, system tray is back thanks |
| 05:55.46 | chx_ | please, please help me with my wallet |
| 05:55.51 | chx_ | I am totally lost without it. |
| 05:56.44 | Venson | i've no clue...never used kwallet. |
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| 05:58.25 | Venson | chx_: i'm currently under the impression that it is impossible to regain a lost kwallet password |
| 05:58.44 | chx_ | Oh my god! |
| 05:58.46 | chx_ | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 05:59.09 | chx_ | I needed to reinstall my whole thing ten days ago when my primary hdd growed bad sectors |
| 05:59.10 | chx_ | now thsi |
| 05:59.13 | chx_ | can't be |
| 05:59.40 | Venson | chx_: pick better passwords, then...it's not kwallet's fault. |
| 06:00.00 | Venson | chx_: also, keep the current files/settings someplace...maybe you'll remember the password in a day or two |
| 06:00.38 | chx_ | Venson: The funny thing is the I am almost sure I know the password. I always choose password from my hardware, like when I had an athlon xp 1800+ , the kde wallet password was axp1800+ |
| 06:00.44 | Venson | chx_: pick a word from your vernacular or something...hard to crack, easy to remember ;) |
| 06:00.51 | chx_ | nice and simple method of generating passwords. |
| 06:01.10 | chx_ | Now, it does not accept my CPU code :( although I am sure it's set to that. |
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| 06:02.52 | chx_ | well, I created a new wallet. I will live. |
| 06:05.14 | PaT- | when you compile a program with -Os, does it reduce memory usage AND disk space, or just disk space? |
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| 06:09.48 | AnotherData | chx_ : try #konversation |
| 06:11.22 | The_Ball | im setting up a encrypted home directory, i have a problem that when i delete the ~/.kde/cache|socket|tmp links to /tmp and /var, the kde instalation for that user stops working. I have created new directories in stead of links, is there a way to make this work? |
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| 06:21.55 | Uberbot | Is there a dcop call that makes kontact bring up a contact given the contact's phone number? |
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| 06:22.22 | LordGrunt | hello |
| 06:22.42 | LordGrunt | a question: when i run konqueror like this: |
| 06:22.43 | LordGrunt | http://scr3.golem.de/screenshots/0503/KDE_3_4/3.PNG |
| 06:22.48 | LordGrunt | it crashes |
| 06:22.57 | LordGrunt | ie hangs up system |
| 06:23.23 | LordGrunt | but when i run it directly to just browse files, it works fine |
| 06:23.28 | The_Ball | LordGrunt, "konqueror http://scr3.golem.de/screenshots/0503/KDE_3_4/3.PNG" workes fine here |
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| 06:23.44 | LordGrunt | lol |
| 06:24.08 | LordGrunt | The_Ball: not that i run this way, i just wanted to show screenie |
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| 06:25.13 | The_Ball | so you are saying you start a konqueror window and it just hangs? |
| 06:25.18 | callipygous | somebody who is around |
| 06:25.20 | callipygous | http://kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=16962&file1=16962-1.png&file2=16962-2.png&file3=16962-3.png&name=Improving+KDE&PHPSESSID=f0a7a72ef43030bae2c70b84653adecd |
| 06:25.42 | callipygous | i always thought kde should ditch that ugly looking dotted selection |
| 06:25.43 | LordGrunt | there must be something common in konqueror ran this way and kcontrol, cause they both hang up system |
| 06:26.15 | LordGrunt | The_Ball: yea, it does. but only if ran like i showed on screenie |
| 06:26.37 | The_Ball | LordGrunt, what kind of instalation is it? |
| 06:26.49 | The_Ball | LordGrunt, from sources, deb, rpm? |
| 06:26.58 | LordGrunt | and not a window hangs, whole system |
| 06:27.00 | The_Ball | callipygous, that's nice |
| 06:27.02 | LordGrunt | debs |
| 06:27.16 | callipygous | The_Ball: yeah, much nicer than the small pixel dots for selecting |
| 06:27.45 | callipygous | if somebody knows how to request a kde feature... you should suggest that, I would but im busy |
| 06:27.55 | The_Ball | callipygous, is that available as a theme or patch? |
| 06:27.57 | callipygous | and don't have an account |
| 06:28.09 | callipygous | hmm not sure, just found it by accident |
| 06:28.16 | callipygous | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=16962 |
| 06:28.25 | canllaith | Requesting a KDE feature is done at bugs.kde.org - file a wish there :) |
| 06:28.41 | callipygous | yeah, don't have an account, don't have time to do it all |
| 06:28.45 | callipygous | anyway im off |
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| 06:33.20 | LordGrunt | looks like discussion cuts when i said 'debs'... fine |
| 06:33.47 | canllaith | Probably no-one knows the answer. It's not necessarily anything against your distro. |
| 06:33.59 | The_Ball | LordGrunt, have you searched bugs.kde.org? |
| 06:34.44 | The_Ball | canllaith, the eye cande callipygous was talking about is being discussed in the kde mailing list anyways |
| 06:36.31 | canllaith | Nice movies? :) |
| 06:36.52 | aseigo | yes , thx =) |
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| 06:41.43 | LordGrunt | The_Ball: nothing revelant there |
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| 07:20.30 | mikeaz|laptop | i need help with Kgpg, my .asc files are showing up with ? marks on them |
| 07:20.40 | mikeaz|laptop | apparently unidentified file extensions |
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| 07:43.39 | whirm | mkieaz: #kcmshell filetypes -> add -> group:Application , file type: pgp-encrypted, add extensions, add applications, etc... |
| 07:45.21 | amichai | why would konqueror go from 1 sec to 20 sec per page |
| 07:45.39 | whirm | amichai: p2p ^_^ |
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| 07:46.08 | amichai | whirm: what do u mean? |
| 07:46.11 | Alver | 'mornin. I'm experiencing the same bug as http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99911 ; however, installing cyrus-sasl and checking the crypto stuff in konqueror didn't fix it. |
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| 07:46.48 | amichai | whirm: u referring to p2p filesharing? |
| 07:47.13 | whirm | yes |
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| 07:47.43 | whirm | is konqueror only gong slow? |
| 07:47.48 | Alver | It's still failing to use imap/ssl over LOGIN with error SASL(-4): no mechanism available: No worthy mechs found |
| 07:48.05 | neoclust | hi |
| 07:48.08 | amichai | whirm: yes, firefox was fast and so was mozilla |
| 07:48.18 | Alver | It worked like a charm before upgrading to 3.4 (as apparently most other people experienced) |
| 07:48.25 | whirm | some proxy configured? |
| 07:48.26 | amichai | whirm: i have limewire, but havent used it in a while |
| 07:48.35 | amichai | whirm: no proxy |
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| 07:49.09 | amichai | whirm:when i first installed it all was fast really fast i was really impressed, then i had to reinstall kde and it became real slow |
| 07:49.11 | whirm | have you tried to kill every preloaded and non preloaded konquerors? |
| 07:49.21 | amichai | whirm: to the point where i refused to use it |
| 07:49.38 | amichai | whirm: how? killall konqueror ? |
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| 07:50.20 | amichai | whirm: do u think using xmodmap would affect it. i have it on autostart |
| 07:51.17 | whirm | ps aux | grep konqueror and kill the pid's |
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| 07:52.06 | whirm | don't know, try to remove it and relogin... but i don't think so |
| 07:54.28 | amichai | whirm: k thanx man |
| 07:55.00 | amichai | whirm: anyway of getting flash to work on konqueror? |
| 07:55.26 | whirm | also you can try #find ~/.kde -name *"konq*" and try to delete session files and rename config files until you find the one that is fux0ring the thing (in the case that the problem is a config file...) |
| 07:55.28 | marcusU | It works for me. |
| 07:55.50 | Alver | Ahh, found it. |
| 07:55.59 | Alver | libsasl2-plug-login |
| 07:55.59 | Alver | :) |
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| 07:56.08 | amichai | whirm: thanx |
| 07:56.18 | amichai | marcusU: flash? |
| 07:56.21 | marcusU | Yes. |
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| 07:56.30 | whirm | you shuld go to the konqueror's preferences panel and in the plugins part click the find new plugins button |
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| 07:58.09 | amichai | whirm: so i need to install flash on my system first, and the do a search and it will find it? |
| 07:58.53 | whirm | exact |
| 07:59.03 | whirm | do you use debian? |
| 07:59.15 | amichai | whirm: pretty cool app. ubuntu. |
| 07:59.38 | amichai | whirm: why? |
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| 08:00.09 | whirm | well i think it will be the same: #aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 08:00.36 | amichai | whirm: yeah. let me try |
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| 08:01.13 | amichai | whirm: ok yeah |
| 08:02.19 | whirm | have it? |
| 08:02.50 | amichai | whirm: i installed and and then did a search. dont know if it found it. nothing that spells flash |
| 08:03.12 | amichai | whirm: what is it meant to look like? |
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| 08:06.48 | whirm | in the plugins tab |
| 08:07.15 | whirm | search for the libflashplayer.so entry |
| 08:08.52 | amichai | whirm: oh nice. i've never had flash on konqueror. nice. man i used to hate kde, now i'm loving it. |
| 08:09.00 | whirm | ^_^ |
| 08:09.34 | amichai | whirm: my konqueror still crashes! |
| 08:09.37 | StarScream | amichai: yeh i was like that until i saw 3.2 |
| 08:09.46 | amichai | whirm: do i need to restart x? |
| 08:09.59 | amichai | StarScream: i never saw anything before 3.2 |
| 08:10.00 | whirm | i recommend you activate "use artsdsp on plugins" so they don't lock certains soundcards |
| 08:10.12 | whirm | crashes? |
| 08:10.14 | amichai | whirm: done |
| 08:10.21 | amichai | whirm: yeah when i start amarok |
| 08:10.24 | amichai | whirm: puff |
| 08:10.42 | whirm | konqueror crashes when you start amarok? |
| 08:10.48 | amichai | whirm: yes |
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| 08:10.56 | whirm | you mean it freezes? |
| 08:11.24 | amichai | whirm: i havent restarted x since the changes. maybe i should. no, it closes and then i get the konqueror error crash popup. |
| 08:11.46 | whirm | weird... try to restart X then... |
| 08:11.57 | amichai | whirm: i use gstreamer is that a prob? |
| 08:13.07 | amichai | whirm: i'll restart |
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| 08:18.01 | whirm | I was using it, but it was crashing, so switched to xine engine and everything works good now |
| 08:19.13 | amichai | whirm: i cant find kmail in my menu anymore |
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| 08:19.33 | amichai | whirm: and amarok still crashes |
| 08:20.08 | whirm | do you have kmail installed? |
| 08:20.17 | whirm | amarok or konqueror? |
| 08:20.55 | amichai | whirm: ok wait its fine now. yeah i had kmail on my bar, then when i restarted x all was gone, so i added all my stuff, but cant find kmail |
| 08:21.59 | amichai | whirm: kmail is already the newest version. |
| 08:23.47 | whirm | try #update-menus |
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| 08:25.26 | amichai | whirm: i did it, including the # and nothing |
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| 08:26.36 | amichai | whirm: i can make a new link, but i dont know where to find the icon |
| 08:26.45 | acorn | please tell me it's possible to set the coordinate position of kdialog? |
| 08:26.49 | Gumby | can anyone tell me how to allow a root login using kdm? |
| 08:27.13 | whirm | doncs include the #! ^_^ |
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| 08:27.45 | Gumby | nm, found it |
| 08:28.44 | whirm | # is to indicate that is a shell command, but that symbol means a commented line in shell scripting so if you put it the shell will ignore the whole line |
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| 08:29.24 | spiral | hi |
| 08:29.27 | amichai | whirm: bash: update-menus: command not found |
| 08:29.44 | lauri | whirm: # is not a common notation around here, although it might in other places |
| 08:29.52 | acorn | ok I guess some kdialog will go to center of screen but I need to get kdialog --passivepopup to go to center. 1600x1280 resolution screen and a small popup in the upper left corner is really not useful |
| 08:30.04 | lauri | we tend to just quote "exactly what to type" (and then say 'without the quotes') |
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| 08:31.00 | lauri | as for update-menus, that's distribution specific, but I missed the start of that conversation |
| 08:31.02 | Gumby | lol, "idiots guide to command line tools" (with quotes) |
| 08:31.34 | lauri | Gumby: it helps to not think of people as idiots :) |
| 08:31.41 | PhilRod | acorn: then don't use --passivepopup ? |
| 08:31.51 | Gumby | lauri: lol, it helps to recognize that most people are indeed idiots :) |
| 08:31.54 | lauri | I just think "god, imagine how insanely frustrated this person would be trying to teach *me* how to drive a car" |
| 08:32.02 | lauri | you know, they're not |
| 08:32.08 | PhilRod | AIUI, the point of --passivepopup is that it appears in the corner and doesn't get in your way |
| 08:32.14 | acorn | PhilRod: no passivepopup is perfect aside from its position |
| 08:32.18 | lauri | I'm pretty darn smart, I've run my own businesses, I speak more than one language |
| 08:32.19 | Gumby | lol, you havnt been around long have you |
| 08:32.20 | lauri | I can't drive |
| 08:32.32 | lauri | people have been trying to teach me for 20 years how, I just can't do ot |
| 08:32.33 | whirm | lauri: I know but he uses ubuntu that is debian based so... |
| 08:32.40 | lauri | I can ride a motorbike, I can drive a *boat* and I can drive a tractor |
| 08:32.50 | lauri | but I cannot get the hang of a car, on a road |
| 08:33.08 | Marrs|vroc | that's extraordinary |
| 08:33.13 | acorn | PhilRod: well i have a big screen and there are doens of places at any given moment I can see it popup and not get in the way |
| 08:33.22 | Gumby | lauri: ahh, yes... but would you at least try and pick up a quick manual to possible learn what each pedal is for if you didnt know? quite often the common person doesnt translate that logic over to pc use |
| 08:33.22 | lauri | I'm very far from an idiot, and I don't think it's because it's hard, I think it's partly because "I don't think I can", I'm scared of it (I was in a really bad car accident when I was a teenager, I just don't *like* cars much) |
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| 08:33.37 | lauri | so I freeze up a little |
| 08:33.47 | lauri | and then, there's the terminology problem |
| 08:33.55 | lauri | "change gear" |
| 08:33.57 | lauri | to what? |
| 08:33.59 | lauri | "change up" |
| 08:34.01 | PhilRod | acorn: well, you could pop up a window, and it should be put somewhere sensible (ie, where there's a space) |
| 08:34.08 | PhilRod | acorn: and of course, you could try -geometry |
| 08:34.09 | lauri | which way is up again? |
| 08:34.13 | lauri | and how did you know to chaange gear? |
| 08:34.23 | lauri | "well you hear that grinding squealing noise coming from under the car? |
| 08:34.43 | lauri | me: oh, well, yes now that you point it out, so when I hear that noise I should change gear? |
| 08:34.51 | lauri | person teaching me gives up and goes find something alcoholic to drink |
| 08:35.02 | Gumby | if you have a car that does that when it needs to change gears you have a car that should be taken into the shop... quick!! |
| 08:35.03 | PhilRod | heh, my mum says "change down" to mean "go to a gear with a *higher* number", which confuses me inordinately |
| 08:35.11 | lauri | but honestly, I'm not an idiot, and I really think if someone *verrrry* patient took the time |
| 08:35.27 | lauri | PhilRod: why? I'd try that about 50% of the time :) |
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| 08:35.35 | lauri | I've got a half shot of getting it right |
| 08:35.37 | martoss | hi there |
| 08:35.39 | PhilRod | LOL |
| 08:35.46 | PhilRod | hiya markey |
| 08:35.51 | markey | hi |
| 08:35.51 | PhilRod | erm, miya martoss |
| 08:35.56 | martoss | i've an konqueror specific question |
| 08:35.58 | PhilRod | but hi markey too :-) |
| 08:35.59 | Gumby | 1-5 (or so) as the car goes slower gear closer to gear 1 |
| 08:36.03 | lauri | anyway, the point I was trying to make was |
| 08:36.05 | Gumby | pretty simple stuff |
| 08:36.11 | lauri | very often it's a matter of not understanding the jargon |
| 08:36.19 | lauri | and we use a *LOT* of jargon |
| 08:36.20 | martoss | there is a nice feature, if you click on an marked text with right mouse, you can search google for it |
| 08:36.36 | martoss | where can i find this |
| 08:36.39 | Gumby | lauri: thats where google kicks in |
| 08:36.51 | martoss | i wanna integrate an other searchprovider |
| 08:36.59 | lauri | there's a really good quote about it: "Beginners face a language problem: they can't ask questions because they don't know what the words mean, they can't know what the words mean until they can successfully use the system, and they can't successfully use the system because they can't ask questions." |
| 08:37.09 | lauri | how can you google for something you don't know the name of |
| 08:37.30 | Gumby | lauri: if you dont understand what someone is saying google the "jargon" |
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| 08:38.10 | lauri | Gumby: if you're not actually interested in helping people, don't |
| 08:38.14 | PhilRod | Gumby: example of what lauri is saying: that thing at the bottom of the screen that shows a k menu and the windows you have open. How do you google for it if you don't know that it's called kicker? |
| 08:38.19 | Gumby | lauri: I help people all the time |
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| 08:38.38 | lauri | sending someone who is already confused to google, is not helpful (telling them what they need to search for, and helping them sort the results, is) |
| 08:38.45 | Gumby | PhilRod: you simply ask what the kde "control panel" is called |
| 08:38.57 | lauri | but if you're just going to say "google is your friend", I'd rather see nothing being said at al |
| 08:39.07 | lauri | Gumby: and we'd say "kcontrol" and they'd be even worse off |
| 08:39.11 | PhilRod | Gumby: and get told control center |
| 08:39.16 | lauri | (one of my daughters calls kicker 'the clock') |
| 08:39.21 | Gumby | lauri: I am not sending anyone to google. But if someone is confused as to what a term means they should first try and answer the question themselves before asking others for help |
| 08:39.30 | lauri | all of it, even if there's more than one, it's 'the clock' |
| 08:39.32 | Gumby | PhilRod: why would someone say control center? |
| 08:39.37 | lauri | Gumby: yes |
| 08:39.45 | lauri | 10:35] <Gumby> PhilRod: you simply ask what the kde "control panel" is called |
| 08:40.01 | lauri | because that's what you asked |
| 08:40.09 | lauri | in an excellent object lesson of the very problem I'm trying to describe |
| 08:40.17 | lauri | if you get the terminology wrong *you will get the wrong answers* |
| 08:41.05 | PhilRod | lots and lots of users here don't know the exact name for kicker and the different bits of it |
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| 08:41.05 | PhilRod | and of course, there's the language barrier, which is a (connected but) different problem |
| 08:41.05 | lauri | and helping people learn the names, and putting up with their wonky descriptions, and not jumping on them for getting it wrong, is a lot less stressful than assuming they are an idiot and telling them to go hit google |
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| 08:41.22 | Gumby | regardless of what you say.. there are a lot of idiots out there. and trust me I know.. I help my fair share |
| 08:41.36 | Gumby | lauri: Ive never said I do that. |
| 08:41.48 | lauri | I never said you did either |
| 08:41.55 | Gumby | I said that people should try and help themselves first before asking others for help. and google is a great tool for that |
| 08:42.12 | lauri | no, you said, most people are idiots |
| 08:42.18 | Gumby | lauri: and its the truth |
| 08:42.34 | lauri | no, it's not |
| 08:42.39 | Gumby | and I also said multiple times that people should help themselves before asking others for help |
| 08:42.42 | lauri | most people are ignorant, not stupid |
| 08:42.44 | lauri | educate them |
| 08:42.51 | Gumby | who said anything about stupid? |
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| 08:43.04 | lauri | uhm you |
| 08:43.06 | lauri | what do you think idiot means? |
| 08:43.30 | Gumby | a foolish person |
| 08:44.08 | lauri | yeah, I can use dict too |
| 08:44.16 | lauri | but that's definition 2 |
| 08:44.17 | Gumby | um, I didnt use dict |
| 08:44.25 | Marrs|vroc | http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=appLanguage&q=idiot&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 08:44.25 | Gumby | its what idiot means |
| 08:44.29 | lauri | well, have a badge then |
| 08:44.33 | Marrs|vroc | ;) |
| 08:45.03 | Gumby | and someone that doesnt first try and help themselves before asking someone else is foolish... and also lazy. .would you like a definition for that too? |
| 08:45.12 | lauri | but it doesn't mean just foolish, it means stupid, and I'd just appreciate if you stop calling everyone who doesn't know as much about computers as you 'stupid' |
| 08:45.17 | amichai | what is the best anti-spam and anti-virus for kmail? |
| 08:45.30 | lauri | you have trouble arguing the actual point don't you |
| 08:45.36 | PhilRod | amichai: well, kinda depends on your requirements |
| 08:45.41 | Gumby | amichai: never run one for kmail. really dont see the need |
| 08:45.44 | lauri | nobody said anything about not helping themselves first, except for you |
| 08:46.09 | amichai | PhilRod: to protect my friends who use primitive os |
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| 08:46.38 | Gumby | lauri: I am arguing my point perfectly fine. |
| 08:46.51 | lauri | in any case, I'd appreciate you not calling people who ask questions in here 'idiots', stupid, or lazy, until they've proven themselves to be |
| 08:47.01 | whirm | amichai: amavis for virus (you don't need antivirus on GNU/Linux... and bogofilter or spamassasin for spam) |
| 08:47.07 | Gumby | lauri: did I call anyone here any of those? |
| 08:47.10 | lauri | yes, but you're not arguing with anyone, you're stabbing at the straw men instead |
| 08:47.17 | lauri | so, EOT |
| 08:47.22 | amichai | whirm: yeah i know, its for protecting windows users |
| 08:47.34 | Gumby | lauri: you are the one that jumped on my back for making a statement that was directed towards no one in particular |
| 08:47.48 | amichai | whirm: is there a problem with enabling them all? |
| 08:47.50 | Gumby | if I think most people are idiots I am quite entitled to think that. whether you think its correct or not |
| 08:48.00 | amichai | whirm: bogofilter and spamassasin etc |
| 08:48.09 | amichai | Gumby: i agree |
| 08:48.14 | lauri | I didn't jump on your back, you butted into the conversation all by yourself |
| 08:48.15 | acorn | whirm: why no antivirus? |
| 08:48.16 | amichai | Gumby: wait i disagree |
| 08:48.24 | lauri | and you're entirely welcome to think everyone but you is an idiot |
| 08:48.32 | lauri | you're just not welcome to say so in here |
| 08:48.32 | amichai | Gumby: most people are lazy, its convenient to act stupid |
| 08:48.34 | whirm | amichai: no problem at all, the wizard supports enabling multiple antispam engines |
| 08:48.42 | Gumby | lauri: who said I never thought I was an idiot. you sure assume a lot of things |
| 08:48.47 | PhilRod | whirm: oooh, does it? cool :-) |
| 08:48.56 | lauri | heh, you're very confused aren't you |
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| 08:49.06 | Gumby | lauri: not at all. |
| 08:49.42 | lauri | then, just drop it, and try not to be rude to people who are coming here for help |
| 08:49.47 | whirm | acorn: because virus are for windows ^_^ |
| 08:50.31 | amichai | whirm: what do i apt-get in order to get spamassasin? |
| 08:50.39 | Gumby | amichai: if you get a email that contains a virus just delete it. then the windows users wont be affected. It ends there unless you are in the habit of forwarding emails that you dont know the contents of |
| 08:50.46 | whirm | philrod: yes, first install all the engines and then run the wizard |
| 08:51.04 | lauri | amichai: that kind of question you are more likely to get an answer to in #debian |
| 08:51.05 | Gumby | amichai: if you use apt you might also want to learn apt-cache search |
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| 08:51.13 | Gumby | lauri: assuming he uses debian. |
| 08:51.20 | lauri | spamassassin is not kde software, and few of us use debian |
| 08:51.28 | Gumby | he may use ubuntu, knoppix, redhat, pclinuxos, mandrake |
| 08:51.31 | acorn | whirm: why? |
| 08:51.50 | lauri | all of which have nice gui tools that everyone uses in preference |
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| 08:51.51 | amichai | lauri: what about kubuntu? |
| 08:52.00 | lauri | people who ask apt-get in here, 99% debian users |
| 08:52.14 | lauri | well, kubuntu might change that now though, it's too new to say |
| 08:52.22 | whirm | amichai: apt-get install spamassasin bogofilter |
| 08:52.23 | lauri | (they do have ksynaptic though) |
| 08:52.23 | Gumby | amichai: for example, apt-cache search assassin |
| 08:52.36 | lauri | it's still a question for your distribution, not here |
| 08:53.30 | amichai | Gumby: ah ok i was missing an s. thanx man. |
| 08:53.43 | Gumby | np |
| 08:54.01 | amichai | lauri: ? |
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| 08:54.45 | lauri | amichai: when you want to know what non-kde software to install, on a distribution that you didn't identify (and once identified, that few of us here use) - #kde is not the most obvious place to ask that question |
| 08:54.54 | lauri | you might get an answer |
| 08:55.03 | lauri | but then, you might not, if Gumby isn't here, and he/she/it isn't here much |
| 08:55.35 | amichai | lauri: the reason i'm asking about spamassasin is because kmail offered it as an option in my anti-spam configuration |
| 08:56.20 | Gumby | amichai: but the package install process is still the same for your distro as any other package would be (asuming its in your packages repository or on yor disks) |
| 08:56.50 | amichai | Gumby: yeah...fine. ok i get it. |
| 08:56.56 | whirm | acorn: long to explain, and I don't know any good site that explains it (quick google: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=8&threadid=311920?) |
| 08:57.07 | Gumby | amichai: allthough I honestly dont see a need for it. Windows users wont be effected by a virus you get in kmail unless you forward it onto them |
| 08:57.12 | amichai | funny though that the guy who helped me for the past hour with all my kde issues uses debian |
| 08:57.50 | Gumby | onto/to |
| 08:57.52 | acorn | whirm: the second post on that link you gave says that linux has viruses |
| 08:58.28 | whirm | yes, but think what you need to do to get infected with one |
| 08:58.53 | lauri | I'm not saying you can't ask it, I'm saying, you'll get faster and better answers, asking in the right place |
| 08:58.59 | acorn | whirm: well the question really is whether there are viruses on linux not ease or difficulty to be infected |
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| 08:59.32 | whirm | acorn: save attachment, chmod it to have execution rights, change to root to be able to infect all the system and not only your user, and finaly run it. |
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| 09:00.27 | lauri | something no KDE mail client would ever do, you'd have to do that all by yourself |
| 09:00.37 | StarScream | whirm: exactly...the majority of users aren't going to do that though...most of the people the get infected with a windows virus do so out of not knowing how to do things |
| 09:00.50 | StarScream | whirm: linux by default stops you from doing things you don't know how to do |
| 09:01.02 | acorn | whirm: well email virus is not the only type of virus, nor is infecting the whole system a virus |
| 09:01.12 | StarScream | whirm: no 80 yr old grandma is going to open the cli and chmod it :) |
| 09:01.32 | Gumby | StarScream: I disagree, most windows infections happen from windows doing things for you (so you dont have to do them yourself) |
| 09:01.50 | acorn | whirm: those posts are specific to KMail too not linux in general where email clients can do whatever they want |
| 09:02.04 | StarScream | Gumby: heh "Windows has detected you would like to infect your computer. Windows will restart now" |
| 09:02.16 | Gumby | StarScream: something like that. hehe |
| 09:02.27 | StarScream | acorn: linux/ BSD/OSX can still get a virus |
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| 09:02.36 | StarScream | its just about limiting the damage it can cause |
| 09:03.21 | whirm | acorn: yes ill will write a mail client that will format the disk when you get a mail with the subject "fr33 v14gr4" ^_^ |
| 09:03.43 | StarScream | whirm: i think i already got that one day...i'll try it with wine :) |
| 09:03.46 | lauri | and you'll have a grand time trying to that into a KDE release |
| 09:03.49 | acorn | whirm: exactly my point. you could do that. and you'd be writing a virus |
| 09:04.08 | lauri | I'd give it about 3 minutes in CVS before someone asked you what the hell you're doing |
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| 09:04.27 | StarScream | lauri: 3 minutes is generous |
| 09:04.38 | whirm | WTH!? konversation crashed! |
| 09:04.38 | lauri | well, sometimes the mail is slow |
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| 09:04.46 | StarScream | heh |
| 09:05.36 | whirm | acorn: yes I would writting a virus, but noone would apt-get it ^_^ |
| 09:06.13 | StarScream | whirm: apt-cache search whirm-worm |
| 09:06.27 | StarScream | ooh there is a new version |
| 09:06.55 | whirm | starscream: XD |
| 09:06.59 | whirm | I must go, see all later! |
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| 09:07.04 | whirm | bye! |
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| 09:07.26 | acorn | whirm: as long it's a virus and it's on linux, I think the point is being made. and if you read the forums on most any linux help site, you'll find a lot of people compile->run based on stranger advice alone so you probably are underestimating the probability that no one would run it |
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| 09:08.26 | StarScream | acorn: its not going to spread to everyones machine though... |
| 09:08.44 | StarScream | acorn: its not going to encourage mass quanities of people to download and try compiling that app |
| 09:08.54 | whirm | yes, but if you do that you deserve that viurus XD |
| 09:08.59 | StarScream | there ARE viruses for any system |
| 09:09.05 | StarScream | or at least its possible |
| 09:09.19 | StarScream | but the damage caused will be minimal |
| 09:09.20 | acorn | StarScream: well now we're talking about another category of virus not simply general term discussed earlier |
| 09:09.51 | whirm | yes, but with linux the machine owner must be very dumb or smoking lot of heavy pot! |
| 09:10.08 | whirm | well, I must really go! bye! |
| 09:10.29 | StarScream | not only that,but they have to be dumb /smoke lots of pot AND know how to use the CLI |
| 09:10.39 | StarScream | AND have root privs |
| 09:11.03 | amichai | whirm: bye man, and thanx |
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| 09:18.12 | amichai | how come in konqueror when u dowload it doesnt tell u the total, but instead tells u how much its done. like it always shows 100% even though it iesnt and then it says 4.0 mb of 4.0 |
| 09:21.20 | lauri | depends what you're downloading from, where it is, and if you (or the webserver) are using a proxy |
| 09:22.14 | lauri | it'll show the correct info if it can, but for instance a lot of proxies only feed data forward to konqueror as they get it (we have a virus scanning one here, so it makes all the windows machines IE's do that always at 100% thing, it is a bit annoying) |
| 09:22.30 | lauri | sometimes php or other download scripts on the other end, make it hard for konq to know the info too |
| 09:22.47 | PhilRod | I've noticed that happening (it seems) more frequently recently, and someone asked about it on the mailing list |
| 09:22.54 | lauri | if it's straight up ftp or something, a direct download, it should be showing the correct information though |
| 09:23.02 | amichai | lauri: so it is a konqueror issue, or site issue? |
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| 09:23.10 | lauri | a lot of DSL and cable companies proxy stuff transparently |
| 09:23.12 | lauri | it could be your ISÅ |
| 09:23.20 | lauri | ISP |
| 09:23.33 | amichai | lauri: yeah it could. no wait, on firefox it doesnt do that |
| 09:23.36 | lauri | I know ours does, for instance, for all the cable customers |
| 09:23.52 | amichai | lauri: well i am on cable |
| 09:24.39 | lauri | but the direct customers, like me, we don't go through the proxy (we're allowed to if we want though, and since it's got half of the sunet archive cached up on there, it probably wouldn't be a stupid idea if I did a lot of say, windows shareware downloading) |
| 09:25.02 | lauri | or right here: I call our internal proxy the bloxy, since it blocks half the world (we don't even let anyone google on work time :) |
| 09:25.30 | amichai | lauri: lol. y? |
| 09:25.49 | lauri | so they *always* get it, the !windows machines, can switch back and forth and it can be autoconfigured on the server to turn itself on and off during peak times |
| 09:26.00 | lauri | amichai: they don't need it |
| 09:26.10 | amichai | lauri: ur servers run on windows? |
| 09:26.31 | amichai | lauri: wait sry, on linux, but provide to customers on windows, right? |
| 09:26.48 | lauri | amichai: the production workstations out in the factory, only get an internet connection at all to track packages and deliveries at the freight company sites, they aren't for surfing (the bloxy unblocks during lunch hours and after work, we're not complete ogres) |
| 09:27.04 | lauri | amichai: there's a mix, FreeBSD and Windows servers |
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| 09:27.36 | amichai | lauri: i get it. thats cool. sounds secure. |
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| 09:27.48 | lauri | konqueror picks up a proxy definitoin file automatically if there is one (it's just a specifically named file in the top of our own www domain) and you can do magic tricks with that |
| 09:28.23 | lauri | well, it's a bit hard to tell your customer "sorry, your delivery will be a day late because the production guys were playing online poker and forgot to pack it up for the truck" |
| 09:29.00 | lauri | and we had a bad episode a few years ago with a guy who had a rather extraordinary amount of pr0n on his personal workstation |
| 09:29.15 | lauri | indeed so much, that just collecting it must have been taking half or more of his work hours |
| 09:29.18 | sarah03 | lauri: Well, it's not hard to tell that to the customer... it's just hard to tell that to the customer and expect to keep them as a customer. |
| 09:29.29 | amichai | lauri: for sure. that is very cool. so much work is delayed because employees are messing around on the net |
| 09:29.31 | lauri | exactly :) |
| 09:29.56 | amichai | lauri: lol |
| 09:30.31 | amichai | lauri: so u guys have dansguardian running or no need? |
| 09:30.38 | sarah03 | lauri: That's when you attach his personal workstation to the company network over a 9600bps modem ;) |
| 09:31.19 | sarah03 | Oh, btw, hi :) |
| 09:32.11 | lauri | heh |
| 09:32.38 | lauri | sarah03: in Sweden, it's pretty well unionized and very very difficult to fire someone for underperforming if they have worked there a long time |
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| 09:32.52 | joojoo13ee | how do i get to kde control center? |
| 09:33.05 | amichai | joojoo13ee: kde menu |
| 09:33.07 | lauri | that's the one and only time in 7 years I've lived here, that I've even *heard* of someone being fired on the spot, and the union not making a huge deal out of it |
| 09:33.31 | amichai | lauri: the porn guy? |
| 09:33.38 | lauri | yup |
| 09:33.42 | canllaith | Heya lauri :) |
| 09:33.52 | lauri | amichai: we have something very similar to dansguardian, it's a commercial product and I can't think of the name of it right now |
| 09:33.57 | sarah03 | Well... underperforming is one thing. But that was more like getting paid to not work. |
| 09:34.07 | amichai | lauri: content protect? |
| 09:34.28 | sarah03 | And I can't see why any union would have an issue with firing someone for simply not doing their job. |
| 09:34.29 | lauri | amichai: we actually whitelist url's, based on the logged in user |
| 09:34.36 | amichai | lauri: content protect is made by mormons i think and its really really good |
| 09:34.43 | lauri | so the production stations can only go to a handful of places at all |
| 09:34.44 | amichai | lauri: oh thats good |
| 09:34.57 | lauri | then during lunchtime, and after hours, it flips to a blacklist |
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| 09:35.21 | lauri | which uses something like content protect, but is pretty open |
| 09:35.35 | joojoo13ee | lauri: where in the kde menu? |
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| 09:36.03 | lauri | sarah03: well, things are very flexible when you hire someone, we often hire folks for 6 months at a time, and end of contract with no explanation from either side, and no notice |
| 09:36.20 | amichai | joojoo13ee: what language is ur kde in? its above actions |
| 09:36.33 | joojoo13ee | english |
| 09:36.34 | amichai | joojoo13ee: undes all applications |
| 09:36.36 | lauri | sarah03: but if they're hired as full time employees, once they've been there a year or so, if you try to fire them as underperformers, the union has a cow and says "so why'd it take you this long to notice" |
| 09:36.55 | lauri | joojoo13ee: you can also just type "alt f2" and then "kcontrol" in the dialog box that opens |
| 09:36.57 | canllaith | (maybe because it took them that long to feel comfortable enough to slack off?) |
| 09:37.35 | sarah03 | Mm, *nods* |
| 09:37.37 | lauri | worse, we have one chick who brings in the union every time we try to change her job description |
| 09:38.03 | lauri | but her original job, 10 years ago, involved a lot of paper handling, stuff that's now automated |
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| 09:38.11 | lauri | so half of her actual job description doesn't even exist anymore |
| 09:38.33 | sarah03 | So, you're trying to take that out of her job description, presumably? |
| 09:38.41 | canllaith | It amazes me how many people aren't capable of logic and reason. It would seem perfectly reasonable to me that a renegotiation of my job description was called for under those grounds. |
| 09:38.41 | lauri | she literally does get paid to slack off and annoy everyone half the day (but, she's also partially blind, and that gets us in a whole other pile of issues trying to get rid of her) |
| 09:39.01 | amichai | lauri: surprising that sweden is doing well financially |
| 09:39.04 | lauri | sarah03: right, and put in some other office jobs that she could do, but won't, because they're not currently in her job description |
| 09:39.21 | joojoo13ee | amichai: the only way i got it to work was the way lauri told me |
| 09:39.25 | canllaith | Australia & NZ are pretty similar about that kind of stupidity unfortunately |
| 09:39.44 | amichai | joojoo13ee: good :) |
| 09:39.52 | canllaith | A friend of mine was trying to get rid of a completely incompetant employee who was causing lots of friction in his dept and couldn't - almost entirely because of the mans religion. |
| 09:40.02 | lauri | well, people like her are the reason we hire on 6 month turnarounds now |
| 09:40.13 | canllaith | Every time they brought up either retraining or getting rid of him he claimed discrimination :\ |
| 09:40.19 | amichai | lauri: y dont they just make her the cleaning lady or the one who brings tea to the workers? |
| 09:40.25 | lauri | it's an unstable kind of way to live though, if you're a factory worker |
| 09:40.32 | lauri | amichai: that's not in her job description :) |
| 09:40.34 | canllaith | Because that's not in her job description. |
| 09:41.04 | canllaith | Although, I've made tea and spray & wiped desks in almost every job I've had |
| 09:41.17 | amichai | lauri: man...what is in her job description again? something with papers? so she can bring the toilet paper. |
| 09:41.25 | sarah03 | lol |
| 09:41.30 | canllaith | If someone is stupid enough to pay me $30 an hour to do that instead of the more technical work I've been hired for that is their silliness |
| 09:41.34 | lauri | and all we want to do is like take out collating packing slips from incoming orders (because that used to be practically a full days work, but now it's a 2 minute job with a barcode scanner) and put in maybe, sorting the mail (something that currently the accountant does) |
| 09:42.04 | lauri | heh, I just realised I'm blowing off a staff meeting that started 10 minutes ago |
| 09:42.10 | canllaith | :P |
| 09:42.20 | lauri | so what can they do, fire me? I dont think going to interminably boring meetings is in my job description |
| 09:42.27 | canllaith | It really annoys me though that employers make you jump through hoops in interviews |
| 09:42.35 | joojoo13ee | amichai: is there a way i can add kcontrol to my menu easily? |
| 09:42.37 | canllaith | Entirely and solely because of stupid people like that and stupid unions that wont let you fire them |
| 09:42.40 | lauri | yes, we're hiring right now |
| 09:42.58 | canllaith | So now I have to jump through hoops and have all kinds of background and criminal record checks and stuff... |
| 09:43.02 | lauri | I'll be getting out the hoops and juggling sticks any day |
| 09:43.11 | canllaith | heh I had some stupid women ask me about why I quit my job and got a new one every 8 - 9 months for a few years |
| 09:43.18 | lauri | and it really *is* because of the old guard staff that we have to do this |
| 09:43.27 | amichai | joojoo13ee: ask lauri. i would say with the menu editor |
| 09:43.31 | canllaith | and why I moved to NZ for a part time job because she didn't seem to think that was a sane thing to do |
| 09:43.58 | canllaith | and seriously, it's hard to not move every 9 months when you're married to a soldier. |
| 09:44.02 | lauri | joojoo13ee: I'm quite sure it's already there, but yes, you can add a new entry, and put 'kcontrol' as the executable |
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| 09:47.05 | joojoo13ee | It's not there... heh |
| 09:47.10 | joojoo13ee | I've looked |
| 09:47.22 | joojoo13ee | Under 'system tools', right? |
| 09:48.27 | lauri | on my (default) KDE menu, it's right in the top level |
| 09:48.50 | lauri | oh, just a minute, this might be in the config |
| 09:49.29 | sarah03 | *nods* It's sandwiched between "Utilities" and "Find Files" here, right above the bottom of the menu. |
| 09:49.51 | lauri | ok, no (there are some special entries like 'Print Browser' that you can turn on and off in the panel configuration) |
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| 09:50.08 | lauri | but my control center entry is just a normal entry, and in the exact same place as sarah03 says |
| 09:50.53 | sarah03 | I always end up turning on the "Preferences" submenu anyway because I find it easier and faster to find the settings I'm after that way anyway. |
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| 09:51.25 | joojoo13ee | Where is the menu editor at, so I can do what you guys are saying |
| 09:51.34 | joojoo13ee | well, girls |
| 09:51.42 | sarah03 | joojoo13ee: Right click on the Kmenu icon. |
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| 09:51.58 | AllenOne | yo |
| 09:52.06 | sarah03 | The third item in the menu that comes up is "Menu Editor". |
| 09:52.23 | joojoo13ee | Well eh nothing is coming up :x |
| 09:54.39 | lauri | I so rarely use the K menu anymore |
| 09:55.13 | lauri | I do the alt+f2 thing (but then, I know the names of all the apps, I have a bit of an advantage over a beginner) |
| 09:55.23 | joojoo13ee | I'm stil learning KDE. I don't even know how to edit my transparency |
| 09:55.27 | joojoo13ee | On my menu |
| 09:55.44 | joojoo13ee | *menus |
| 09:58.34 | sarah03 | I still use it occasionally, but the stuff that I care to find in the KMenu is at the very top of it anyway. |
| 09:58.46 | sarah03 | Everything else I've got buttons for on the panel. |
| 09:59.40 | lauri | I ripped up my small daughters menu, she has like 10 things, no subfolders, no clutter |
| 09:59.48 | lauri | it's quite efficient |
| 09:59.56 | lauri | she's dragged every single item still on there out to the panel or desktop anyway :) |
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| 10:00.26 | sarah03 | Heh. I never see my desktop except via pseudo-transparency in Konsole. |
| 10:00.52 | sarah03 | [And a handful of other apps, but same difference.] |
| 10:02.31 | joojoo13ee | anyone got a nice theme? |
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| 10:04.04 | lauri | sarah03: I have tons of virtual desktops |
| 10:04.12 | lauri | all named, sorted by function, I'm very good about it |
| 10:04.28 | lauri | and one of them is named "desktop" - it's the one I keep empty specially so I can see stuff on it :) |
| 10:05.02 | sarah03 | The feature annoyed the hell out of me 6 years ago, and so I've always just turned it off as one of the first things I do under any new DE. |
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| 10:05.18 | pluh | greetings, i would appreciate some guidance in ISO image writing. How can I grab the CD and write it to hdd as an ISO image with k3b? |
| 10:06.09 | sarah03 | I lost various things and found it generally disorienting, because the default behaviour everywhere that it was implemented and turned on was to change desktops as you approached the edge of the screen. |
| 10:06.31 | sarah03 | Found it easier to just turn it off. |
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| 10:08.10 | pluh | or is there some more appropriatte channel for this? |
| 10:09.00 | whirm | pluh: copy cd and check only create image |
| 10:09.17 | sarah03 | pluh: I don't know much about k3b, but I can tell you how to do it at the commandline. |
| 10:09.26 | sarah03 | [Ok, I don't know anything about k3b.] |
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| 10:11.25 | whirm | pluh: easy, it isn't? :-) |
| 10:12.00 | pluh | thanks, i will remember it. But my problem is kinda harder ... i have a cue/bin image and wnat to transform it to ISO :) |
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| 10:14.13 | whirm | well, then I think you must use the command line, is easy, use bchunk |
| 10:15.46 | whirm | the command is: bchunk file.bin file.cue file.iso |
| 10:16.27 | whirm | sorry, not file.iso but file alone, it will automaticaly put the .iso himself |
| 10:16.51 | AllenOne | stripping puts all data (in chunks) across all stripes...so yes your right, you run a "risk" of of a bad drive and lossing data |
| 10:17.01 | AllenOne | opps! |
| 10:17.03 | AllenOne | wrong window! |
| 10:17.14 | whirm | XD |
| 10:17.40 | whirm | allenone: auto popup? ^_^ |
| 10:17.48 | pluh | whirm...thanks i will try it |
| 10:17.56 | AllenOne | no BX with mutliple windows lol |
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| 10:22.39 | pluh | great! seems it's working! |
| 10:22.58 | whirm | pluh: great! ;-) |
| 10:24.23 | whirm | Anyway it would be good that k3b was able to do that, you can report a wish to the bug tracker. |
| 10:25.32 | slougi | do what? |
| 10:26.14 | whirm | to convert cue/bin files to iso without burning a cd |
| 10:26.15 | AllenOne | tum te tum. I have never been so bored at work.... |
| 10:26.18 | slougi | ah |
| 10:27.35 | whirm | allenone: you bored? http://www.afrotechmods.com and http://comic.escomposlinux.org are what you need ^_^ |
| 10:28.27 | AllenOne | checkign those out right now |
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| 10:31.51 | maiuri | c |
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| 10:50.14 | AllenOne | *RIMSHOT* |
| 10:50.19 | AllenOne | dammit!!! wrong window again |
| 10:53.10 | sarah03 | AllenOne: Ah, I see I'm not the only person with that problem then. :) |
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| 10:53.45 | NathanJY | hey |
| 10:53.53 | NathanJY | I came back to ask a question I forgot to ask last time |
| 10:53.58 | NathanJY | what's the ISO standard for KDE? |
| 10:54.43 | canllaith | sarah03: do you use quanta in your web development much or mostly kate? :) |
| 10:55.04 | sarah03 | canllaith: Umm... nano? |
| 10:55.08 | AllenOne | sarah03, yeah its bitchx ...I keep thinking that the lower windows is window 1 and its not...its 2 |
| 10:55.08 | canllaith | heh ok :) |
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| 10:55.12 | canllaith | Was just curious |
| 10:55.42 | sarah03 | Though I do use kate from time to time, mainly because a lot of the stuff that I'd been doing lately was a pain in the ass to do in a <textarea> |
| 10:56.23 | NathanJY | I'm really trying to beef up on my standards and all |
| 10:56.35 | NathanJY | and since KDE is big on standards, I want to understand the KDE ISO standard |
| 10:57.05 | NathanJY | or the linux ISO standard |
| 10:58.16 | lauri | this didn't get any funnier than yesterday |
| 10:58.39 | NathanJY | it's not supposed to be funny, it's supposed to present a valid point |
| 10:58.46 | lauri | and if you'd come back and behaved, I'd have been willing to get over your trolling, but you're being really childish |
| 10:58.51 | NathanJY | your reasoning was so fallacious, I'm just using it against you |
| 10:59.01 | lauri | ban avoidance, by the way, is against freenodes TOS |
| 10:59.01 | NathanJY | expressing a dissenting opinion is not trolling |
| 10:59.13 | NathanJY | +q'ing someone just so you can get the last word is childish |
| 10:59.17 | NathanJY | I've never been banned |
| 10:59.35 | NathanJY | KDE is interested in standards, so what is the linux ISO standard? |
| 10:59.48 | NathanJY | it's a valid question following your own logically fallacious line of reasoning |
| 10:59.51 | lauri | you don't make any sense |
| 11:00.00 | NathanJY | I'm satirizing you |
| 11:00.01 | lauri | I invite you one more time to drop it |
| 11:00.10 | NathanJY | You said you wouldn't support windows because it wasn't an ISO standard |
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| 11:00.13 | lauri | no, you are annoying me |
| 11:00.21 | lauri | I said no such thing |
| 11:00.29 | NathanJY | WAnt me to quote you from the logs? |
| 11:00.39 | NathanJY | I'll look it up |
| 11:01.07 | lauri | I didn't say that, and I don't care how you skew what I did say |
| 11:01.25 | lauri | if you have something actually useful to say that makes sense, please do |
| 11:01.50 | NathanJY | And it's ok for you to skew what I say ? |
| 11:01.51 | NathanJY | [16:21:10] <lauri> if he messages me the ISO number, I'll -q him |
| 11:01.54 | lauri | otherwise, you're nothing but a troll cluttering up a support avenue, annoying visitors |
| 11:01.58 | NathanJY | I never suggested windows had an ISO number |
| 11:02.14 | NathanJY | You'll only silence me because you know that I'm right and you CAN'T, for the life of you, defend yourself |
| 11:02.19 | NathanJY | you're dealthy afraid |
| 11:02.21 | lauri | and I never said I'd support windows |
| 11:02.28 | lauri | I don't want to defend myself |
| 11:02.30 | NathanJY | I never said you'd said that |
| 11:02.41 | NathanJY | I said the exact opposite |
| 11:02.43 | lauri | I don't give a flying fuck about what you have to say, and you annoy people other htan me |
| 11:02.46 | lauri | get over it |
| 11:02.48 | NathanJY | you're deliberately misintepreting wht I say |
| 11:02.49 | AllenOne | haha ditto...my computer loved AOL cause it was the first to come to our Rual market |
| 11:02.53 | AllenOne | .... |
| 11:03.02 | lauri | now you can't even quote yourself properly, so just *drop it* |
| 11:03.19 | NathanJY | I didn't quote myself |
| 11:03.23 | AllenOne | I wish......I wish that bx would make the bottom window 1....thats all I want lol |
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| 11:03.34 | NathanJY | You're being childish here, you're threatening to +q me so that you can get the last word in |
| 11:04.02 | NathanJY | If you were an adult, you would just ignore me. However, you want to play hero in front of your friends and feed your ego |
| 11:04.07 | NathanJY | by abusing op power |
| 11:04.08 | *** mode/#kde [-q NathanY-!*@*] by lauri |
| 11:04.18 | lauri | I am an adult |
| 11:04.25 | NathanJY | Then why are you so passive aggressive? |
| 11:04.34 | lauri | and I only shut you up after other users expressed annoyance at you |
| 11:04.37 | NathanJY | Why did you silence me before so you could get the last word in and insult me aftwrwards? |
| 11:04.45 | NathanJY | those users could have ignored me |
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| 11:05.46 | lauri | coming back a day later to complain about an IRC ban, and he calls me childish |
| 11:07.16 | sarah03 | That discussion was last night, wasn't it? |
| 11:07.24 | sarah03 | Seemed like it was a few nights ago. |
| 11:07.48 | lauri | I don't know, he's busy raving at me in a message that I have a personal vendetta against him |
| 11:07.55 | StevenR | how long before he reappears? |
| 11:07.58 | lauri | I'd have to know who he is and give a rats ass for that to be true |
| 11:08.20 | lauri | don't know, don't much care |
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| 11:09.59 | StevenR | i have a theoretical question....if a lib was written to pretend to be arts and pass the calls onto jack, that would get rid of arts and allow kde to do without arts' latency?? |
| 11:10.54 | lauri | it'd give you the new libs latency instead |
| 11:10.58 | lauri | (and arts can already do that) |
| 11:11.12 | lauri | and KDE is not going to swap arts for something that is jack specific |
| 11:11.20 | StevenR | but jack has much less latency |
| 11:11.42 | lauri | good for it |
| 11:11.50 | Tronic | JACK is not suitable for that kind of use. |
| 11:12.20 | Tronic | It cannot work with varying sample rates, S/PDIF pass-through, etc. |
| 11:12.32 | lauri | most users really don't care much about latency either, in the real world |
| 11:12.39 | Tronic | But why do you need arts anyway? |
| 11:12.46 | PhilRod | anyway, it would be theoretically possible, but wouldn't be adopted by KDE |
| 11:13.00 | Tronic | Just use ALSA directly and scrap ARTS. |
| 11:13.01 | lauri | unless it's ridiculously high, sub second latency when you're listening to your media player on random, or waiting for a konsole to beep, is neither here nor there |
| 11:13.43 | sarah03 | Tronic: You know what the L in ALSA stands for, right? |
| 11:14.02 | Tronic | sarah03: So, which system are we talking about? |
| 11:14.05 | StevenR | Tronic: i need arts to allow me to play multiple sounds...if someone messages me in kopete it "pops", whilst at the same time amarok is playing |
| 11:14.27 | Tronic | StevenR: ALSA can do that. |
| 11:14.31 | StevenR | Tronic: without arts, it doesn't do that, kopete has to wait |
| 11:14.37 | Tronic | StevenR: With well-behaving apps, at least. |
| 11:14.54 | lauri | so can OSS, and multiple other things, right now, KDE uses arts, for KDE 4.0, it very likely won't be using arts |
| 11:15.11 | Tronic | StevenR: http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/2004/debian/alsa/ |
| 11:15.12 | StevenR | lauri: latency matters for games..it sucks to hit a fish in tuxracer and art's latency means that 2seconds passes before the sound comes through |
| 11:15.34 | Tronic | lauri: OSS cannot do it in software. |
| 11:15.35 | PhilRod | ~arts-kde4 |
| 11:15.36 | apt | arts is unmaintained, for KDE 4 (and not before) there will probably be a backend independent architecture allowing you to choose what sound engine (or none) to use via an abstracted API, if you want to know more, you should read the 5 or 6 hundred post long thread on the kde-multimedia mailing list archives |
| 11:15.48 | PhilRod | :-) |
| 11:15.52 | lauri | Tronic: OSS can, in fact, the linux oss emulation probably can't |
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| 11:16.07 | Tronic | lauri: Are you talking of the commercial OSS implementation? |
| 11:16.10 | AllenOne | StevenR, haha I remember when I used to kick up gaim..and have a mp3 playing in xmms...after I exit xmms ...all these send and recieve sounds would go off lol |
| 11:16.12 | lauri | yes |
| 11:16.22 | Tronic | lauri: I have tried to use that, but it works with nothing, really. |
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| 11:16.45 | Tronic | lauri: I have seriously tried it a few times because I happen to get the license for free. |
| 11:16.56 | lauri | it's always free now, has been for a while |
| 11:17.06 | Tronic | But every time the conclusion has been that it is absolutely useless. |
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| 11:17.24 | lauri | and Linux is not the only thing KDE runs on, and OSS works fine on lots of other things |
| 11:17.38 | lauri | ALSA on the other hand, is quite OS specific, and not something KDE can speak directly to without having fallbacks |
| 11:17.47 | lauri | so it's about as likely as Jack to become the one and only KDE sound system |
| 11:18.53 | Tronic | lauri: KDE should write a cross-platform audio library (if there isn't any already) instead of writing its own sound server. |
| 11:19.03 | lauri | (most likely, an intermediate lib to do pretty much what stephenr said, but with a multi-choice-backend that you can choose from available systems), or gstreamer (which can output to arts, jack, oss, alsa, whatever) or nas or nmm or one of the other multiplatform-multi-backend systems |
| 11:19.31 | lauri | KDE has (and aRts really wasn't intended to be a sound server, it just kind of fell into that role) |
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| 11:19.55 | Tronic | lauri: Ummh.. You are actually saying that JACK would become the sound system for a desktop environment? |
| 11:20.09 | lauri | no, I said the exact opposite |
| 11:20.18 | Tronic | Ah, right. |
| 11:20.19 | lauri | (it could though, if you wanted it to be) |
| 11:20.24 | Tronic | I misread that. |
| 11:20.35 | Tronic | However, JACK is simply not suitable, in any way, for that. |
| 11:20.53 | Tronic | (because it is meant for entirely different things) |
| 11:20.57 | lauri | in any case, there are multi-hundred post threads on the kde-multimedia list covering all this in some depth :) |
| 11:21.05 | lauri | Tronic: oh, I know |
| 11:21.07 | lauri | Tronic: bit it's a buzz word :) |
| 11:21.22 | PhilRod | if you want to influence and help with this decision, get involved in kde-multimedia@kde.org |
| 11:21.27 | lauri | and sometimes it's easier to do a 'meh, if you want' to a buzz word, than try explain to the buzzy bee why they don't wanna actually use that thing |
| 11:22.08 | PhilRod | well, I think the decision may already have been made, but there's plenty of work to be done, I'm sure |
| 11:22.14 | lauri | because, in reality, it could be the backend, just the same way arts with all it's magical stuff, ended up being abandoned to a life of being "the KDE sound server" |
| 11:22.27 | Tronic | All the KDE software that I use sounds with can already talk to ALSA directly, so I am not missing any feature. |
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| 11:23.04 | Tronic | (thus, no need to get involved) |
| 11:23.05 | lauri | arts can speak to alsa (it can also speak to my sound card directly here, and my operating system has done in kernel sound mixing for some years) |
| 11:23.14 | lauri | so adding another layer (jack or not) in there, is not very necessary for some of us |
| 11:23.30 | lauri | and making something alsa specific would be a very *bad* thing for some of us |
| 11:23.50 | lauri | that's all I was getting at |
| 11:24.15 | PhilRod | Tronic: heh, do you think lauri and I write docs because *we* don't know how to use KDE? There's still plenty of reason to help improve the software, even if it WORKSFORYOU(TM) :-) |
| 11:24.21 | lauri | I think the way amarok does it, and juk, will probably be the end result (multi engines, you pick one) but with a way to set it globally for all KDE apps too |
| 11:25.02 | Tronic | PhilRod: I was saying that all the software that I see works, not that it works just for me. |
| 11:25.29 | Tronic | PhilRod: Even though if this selection of software is only amaroK... |
| 11:26.14 | lauri | Tronic: sure |
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| 11:26.36 | lauri | Tronic: but it'd be nice to be able to set it once in kcontrol, instead of having to set it in amarok, then in juk, then in noatun, yada yada |
| 11:26.47 | lauri | (and you could still allow each to override it if you wanted) |
| 11:27.18 | Tronic | lauri: Certainly, as long as one can do per-application (or even per-function) overrides. |
| 11:27.29 | lauri | that's one of the solutions discussed already, and I don't think there will ever again be a "KDE Says you have to install fooaudiothingy" |
| 11:27.56 | lauri | Tronic: sure - I can set default icon sizes in kcontrol, and then change it in an app that I want bigger or smaller toolbars for |
| 11:28.03 | Tronic | For example, one often does not want to use the same audio device for S/PDIF pass-through and stereo sound. |
| 11:28.13 | Tronic | (I do, actually, but most don't) |
| 11:28.43 | lauri | well, I have three soundcards in this computer, I figure nothing i do is what anyone else wants |
| 11:29.33 | lauri | (not because I'm an audio pro, but because I'm too lazy to go plug and unplug the headphones and the mic all the time, and the onboard soundcard is shite, so I have two others in it :) |
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| 11:31.00 | lauri | so one for the headphones and mic, and one hooked up to the big amp |
| 11:31.00 | Tronic | On-board chips are pretty good for one thing: optical s/pdif output |
| 11:31.00 | lauri | (and the onboard one, in case I ever come up with something to use it for) |
| 11:31.06 | lauri | maybe I could plug the spare speakers in and have it do the console beeps |
| 11:31.16 | lauri | (or, maybe not) |
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| 11:32.20 | StevenR | if i disable arts in kcontrol, how do kde apps make noise? |
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| 11:34.11 | nana | in kate 2.3.2, how can I enable brackets paranthesis etc highlighting? |
| 11:34.36 | nana | (can't find any appropriate menu entry) |
| 11:35.14 | slougi | should be on by default |
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| 11:36.08 | slougi | otherwise i think in fonts & colors |
| 11:36.56 | slougi | ok in fonts & colors, colors tab: bracket highlight |
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| 11:37.30 | nana | it's very strange: I have this, but it makes no effect. |
| 11:37.43 | nana | I've tried to change the color, and still no effect. |
| 11:38.13 | slougi | what kinda file is it? |
| 11:38.13 | nana | c++ |
| 11:38.14 | slougi | did you just write it? if yes, i think you need to save it first for the highlighting to work |
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| 11:38.42 | nana | The problem persists in all *.cpp, *.h, *.pl files |
| 11:38.54 | nana | (didn't check other file though) |
| 11:38.55 | slougi | hmm |
| 11:39.01 | nana | hmmm indeed |
| 11:39.15 | slougi | look at tools -> highloghting, is the correct file type selected |
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| 11:41.16 | nana | slougi, yes |
| 11:41.16 | slougi | no idea then |
| 11:41.17 | slougi | on the other hand i am no kate expert either, although i do use it |
| 11:41.17 | Frost^ | are there any kde developers that make use of kdevelop? |
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| 11:47.08 | nana | slougi, I have no idea what was the problem, but I've removed ~/.kde/share/kate/* ~/.kde/share/config/kate* etc, and everything works now |
| 11:47.24 | nana | thank you for your time |
| 11:47.53 | nana | Frost^, I use kdevelop a lot, but I'm not by any means a kde developer. |
| 11:48.11 | Frost^ | ah I see |
| 11:48.29 | Frost^ | was just wondering if kdevelop is like kde's visual studio |
| 11:48.31 | Frost^ | guess not |
| 11:49.29 | nana | I use kdevelop exclusively for 3 years and I am very, very pleased with it |
| 11:49.58 | Frost^ | well nana I'm trying to learn GUI programming |
| 11:50.07 | Frost^ | so hopefully kdevelop will come in handy |
| 11:50.33 | Frost^ | I'll probably start using wxWidgets though, rather than Qt |
| 11:52.29 | slougi | nana: cool, i guess some setting got wedged or something like that |
| 11:52.31 | nana | BTW, #kdevelop is much better place for any kdevelop related questions |
| 11:52.36 | hettar | Frost^: arrgghh don't do that. We use wxWidgets as work and let me tell you QT is a billion times better |
| 11:52.55 | hettar | err at even |
| 11:53.16 | Frost^ | hettar, something keeps me away from Qt though |
| 11:53.45 | Frost^ | most major thing is the upcoming Qt 4 |
| 11:54.09 | hettar | and that is a problem how ? |
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| 11:54.27 | Frost^ | doesn't it gonna have different syntax than qt3? |
| 11:55.23 | hettar | I doubt the changes will be that major. |
| 11:55.28 | Frost^ | or am I getting mixed up here |
| 11:55.33 | Frost^ | oh I see |
| 11:55.48 | bipolar | Frost^, I don't think it's going to be a huge change from 3 to 4 when it comes to code. |
| 11:55.54 | hettar | It won't be like switching from java to visual basic or anything. |
| 11:56.01 | nexu | lol |
| 11:56.03 | bipolar | Frost^, the biggest change I see is the license for windows :) |
| 11:56.05 | hettar | more like additions to classes, new classes etc |
| 11:56.32 | Frost^ | oh yeah, what about Qt license? free for all but commercial stuff? |
| 11:57.57 | PhilRod | they've got a bucketload of new stuff in qt 4 - see http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/qt4info.html |
| 11:58.02 | bipolar | Frost^, with 4, they are going to have a version GPL'ed for windows |
| 11:59.08 | Frost^ | hmm I see |
| 11:59.26 | Frost^ | I never used Qt on windows, but I heard it has a different look and feel? |
| 11:59.34 | Frost^ | -? |
| 12:00.12 | hettar | different from what ? I just looks like a native windows app |
| 12:00.33 | Frost^ | oh it does? I heard that it doesn't |
| 12:00.38 | Frost^ | oh well |
| 12:00.51 | hettar | you can make it look different if you want |
| 12:01.25 | Frost^ | in what way is Qt better than wxWidgets hettar? |
| 12:02.21 | hettar | It just works. wxWidgets is ok but too many things in it are broken. And if you are doing GUI layouts it is torturous in wxWidgets and a snap in QT. |
| 12:02.43 | Frost^ | are you using qt designer? |
| 12:03.47 | hettar | Yeah, there is a GUI layout tool for wxWidgets as well, but it doesn't actually work. You have to go through and manually adjust the layout in the code. |
| 12:04.27 | Frost^ | I found some very nice tutorials for the idiot regarding wxWidgets. the Qt ones I bumped into seemed rather difficult to follow |
| 12:04.42 | Frost^ | ah I see hettar |
| 12:05.02 | hettar | Thats possible. I haven't really looked at the tutorials for wxWidgets or QT |
| 12:05.28 | Frost^ | how did you learn how to use them? |
| 12:06.30 | Frost^ | sorry if I sound like the gestapo |
| 12:06.31 | hettar | I read the api documentation and example code. |
| 12:06.31 | Frost^ | :p |
| 12:06.58 | Frost^ | oh ok. I'm new to this entire GUI thing so I rather having some hand-holding first |
| 12:07.38 | hettar | No prob. In the end it probably doesn't matter which one you use if you just want to play with GUI programming. However I think you would find QT easier. |
| 12:08.45 | Frost^ | I'm not striking anything off. I probably will have my share of Qt in time. for now I need to understand the concept behind it first |
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| 12:21.43 | avaurus | hi |
| 12:26.14 | lauri | yo brucehoult |
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| 12:42.45 | avaurus | hi |
| 12:42.48 | nana | in kconsole, how can I iterate over the opened sessions without the mouse? |
| 12:43.18 | Marrs | shift + cursor (left|right) |
| 12:43.31 | avaurus | I want the whole kicker to be transparent, but when I set it to be transparent, the application-tabs are still grey |
| 12:44.01 | nana | wow, thanks Marrs, Is this documented anywhere? I couldn't find anything for days |
| 12:44.58 | Marrs | I have no idea, to be honest ;) I guess I found out by accident |
| 12:44.59 | smouche | odd there's no man entry for konsole... |
| 12:45.34 | Marrs | there is a hint in the keyboard shortcuts of the menu... ctrl+shift+cursor moves the session in the tab order |
| 12:45.56 | Marrs | and you can hover the mouse over the tabs of course and use the mouse wheel (but that's not keyboard navigation) |
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| 12:58.05 | bipolar | Is there any way to tie kde's bookmarks menu to firefox's bookmarks? |
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| 12:59.02 | devurandom | Hi! |
| 12:59.29 | sredna | Hello * |
| 12:59.43 | devurandom | I just got a message from KMail that I might have forgotten to append a file to my email! How does it figure out??? |
| 12:59.56 | sredna | bipolar: You can have firefox bookmarks displayed within konqueror |
| 13:00.21 | devurandom | (Sounds really strange to me...) |
| 13:00.42 | sredna | devurandom: It uses a very simple way: A list of words that is supposed to indicate that there is an attachment. If any of the words are in the mail, it checks |
| 13:01.34 | devurandom | sredna: But what words are that? Are they language depended?# |
| 13:02.39 | sredna | devurandom: I'd suppose so |
| 13:03.24 | devurandom | Really cool feature! I allway forget the attachments... |
| 13:03.36 | devurandom | s/way/ways/ |
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| 13:04.09 | sredna | devurandom: The list is available in the cofig dialog, and it is not translated -- something to wish for, for example for me, because I send mail in multiple languages |
| 13:05.39 | devurandom | I'll tell 'em. Together with some thanks. |
| 13:05.50 | devurandom | Thank you sredna and bye for now. |
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| 13:09.16 | bipolar | sredna, I see the option in konq's bookmark editor but it doesn't seem to show firefox's bookmarks. |
| 13:09.40 | sredna | bipolar: That would be a bug. |
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| 13:10.15 | Grind | is there any kde software to listen to ape files? |
| 13:10.29 | Grind | neither juk or amarok seem to support it |
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| 13:11.21 | bipolar | wundervoll |
| 13:11.40 | eyrich | Hi! In kmail: using keys (starting typing the mailbox name) for selecting mailboxes in the move dialog box no longer works; any hints, why? (neither 3.3 nor 3.4 ...) |
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| 13:14.13 | vi4m | wow this is great with kmail attachments notifications! i didn't know, it's so smart program :D |
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| 13:15.38 | sredna | eyrich: Which move dialog? |
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| 13:24.36 | chakie | hm, kmail says: "Error while uploading status of messages to server: Cannot Write to Resource" |
| 13:24.58 | chakie | webmail etc works fine for the same folders |
| 13:25.03 | chakie | kmail worked ok yesterday too |
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| 13:26.16 | Vincent_k | its kinda wierd that things just storp working in linux isn't it? |
| 13:26.31 | Vincent_k | one day its this and a nother its that |
| 13:26.43 | chakie | yeah |
| 13:26.54 | Vincent_k | but I stick to it anyway :) |
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| 13:27.05 | chakie | after that message kmail is kinda dead in the water |
| 13:27.14 | chakie | it doesn't receive new mails |
| 13:27.39 | Vincent_k | Im no expert on kde |
| 13:28.00 | chakie | kmail is kinda nice, but it's a bit too unstable |
| 13:28.13 | StevenR | kmail is perfectly table for me |
| 13:28.16 | StevenR | *stable |
| 13:28.18 | chakie | and reporting bugs for these kinds of errors is very hard to do |
| 13:28.59 | StevenR | chakie: for it to stop working suddenly, you must have done something to it....it doesn't stop working on its own |
| 13:29.39 | StevenR | chakie: perhaps the server changed something? |
| 13:30.42 | chakie | StevenR: the only thing i do is that i daily access the same mailbox with a webmail client. kmail doesn't like that and gives a "connection reset" error forcing me to restart it |
| 13:30.57 | chakie | StevenR: this time kmail didn't start up anymore |
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| 13:33.19 | StevenR | chakie: didn't start up at all? |
| 13:33.45 | chakie | StevenR: sorry, badly phrased. starts up with an error and then won't handle imap folders properly anymore |
| 13:33.55 | StevenR | chakie: what error? |
| 13:34.58 | chakie | lemme take a screenshot |
| 13:36.51 | chakie | StevenR: http://www.smultron.net/tmp/kmail-error.png |
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| 13:37.38 | chakie | StevenR: that error came as soon as kmail detected that a test mail i sent there from another system arrived |
| 13:38.24 | StevenR | chakie: hmmm....have permissions changed? |
| 13:38.39 | StevenR | chakie: have you checked the things it suggests? |
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| 13:38.56 | chakie | StevenR: permissions are the same |
| 13:39.11 | StevenR | chakie: the same? |
| 13:39.11 | chakie | StevenR: yes, the other things are ok too |
| 13:39.32 | chakie | StevenR: not changed, that is |
| 13:39.34 | StevenR | chakie: is it locked for some reason? |
| 13:39.56 | chakie | StevenR: i don't know. a webmail client works fine |
| 13:39.56 | StevenR | chakie: restart the imapd on the server if you can? |
| 13:40.10 | chakie | StevenR: i can't, it's a hosting server |
| 13:40.20 | StevenR | eh? |
| 13:41.29 | StevenR | it's not your server? |
| 13:41.50 | chakie | no |
| 13:42.25 | chakie | a commercial server used by lots of people, so they wouldn't change anything without notifying |
| 13:42.42 | StevenR | ah |
| 13:42.58 | chakie | so i haven't fiddled with the server in any way :) |
| 13:43.06 | StevenR | ok, have they fiddled? |
| 13:43.32 | chakie | most likely not |
| 13:43.58 | chakie | if they change anything, they usually notify weeks ahead. they host many commercial sites too |
| 13:44.32 | StevenR | i c |
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| 13:44.52 | StevenR | chakie: have you changed anything on your system at all |
| 13:44.53 | StevenR | ? |
| 13:45.11 | StevenR | chakie: what distro? |
| 13:45.19 | chakie | StevenR: not that i can know of |
| 13:45.19 | StevenR | what kde version? |
| 13:45.27 | chakie | debian sid, kde 3.4 |
| 13:45.40 | chakie | no kde packages have been changed for some days |
| 13:45.53 | eyrich | The window is called 'Move Message to Folder - KMail. Weird behaviour: If I type the first letter of next line's folder it moves there, otherwise it does nothing |
| 13:45.55 | StevenR | chakie: do you have cyrus-sasl installed? |
| 13:46.13 | chakie | worked ok yesterday. as if accessing the system using webmail corrupted something for kmail |
| 13:46.18 | chakie | StevenR: no |
| 13:46.35 | chakie | StevenR: just plain imap direct to the server (somewhere far away) |
| 13:46.37 | StevenR | chakie: you need cyrus-sasl to do some auth stuff for kde...... |
| 13:46.50 | StevenR | chakie: you're using imaps |
| 13:47.16 | chakie | i tried using plain imap too |
| 13:47.33 | chakie | i let kmail check what the server supported. both seem to work |
| 13:47.36 | StevenR | chakie: check ~/.xsession-errors, also try running kmail from a konsole |
| 13:49.00 | chakie | running from a konsole gave no output at all |
| 13:49.26 | chakie | i see nothing i'd relate to kmail in .xsession-errors either |
| 13:49.53 | chakie | i think i'll try logging out in case something weird has been changed that affects kmail |
| 13:50.40 | StevenR | ok |
| 13:51.08 | chakie | i'll check back later if it still gives me problems |
| 13:51.25 | StevenR | ok |
| 13:51.33 | chakie | thanks for the help, StevenR |
| 13:51.40 | StevenR | :) |
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| 14:03.33 | lilalinux | Are some kontact developers here? |
| 14:03.34 | amichai | if anyone can help me, i just lost all my keyboard layouts, and i have an icon saying error instead of showing a flag, any ideas? |
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| 14:04.20 | lilalinux | I have a question about RFC 2445 (iCal) |
| 14:04.22 | _joey | is anyone using KNewsTicker? |
| 14:04.49 | lilalinux | Is it allowed to have more than 1 field as PREF? |
| 14:04.58 | _joey | I'd like to configure it so when I click on a headline it open article in seperate tab instead opening ndw konqueror windows |
| 14:05.14 | PhilRod | lilalinux: try #kontact |
| 14:05.32 | lilalinux | PhilRod: thx |
| 14:06.59 | amichai | how do i get all my layouts back, my layout list is empty |
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| 14:08.40 | PhilRod | it's some issue to do with xorg config, I think |
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| 14:09.42 | Roolianer23 | im searching an imageviewer for kde |
| 14:09.56 | Roolianer23 | are there any alternatives for kuickshow? |
| 14:09.59 | PhilRod | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121950 |
| 14:10.15 | PhilRod | Roolianer23: gwenview, the photobook plugin for konq, konq itself, ... :-) |
| 14:10.35 | PhilRod | pixieplus might even still be alive |
| 14:10.45 | PhilRod | that bug link is for you, amichai |
| 14:11.23 | PhilRod | Roolianer23: and probably some (many?) more on kde-apps.com, or whatever it's called |
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| 14:14.22 | StevenR | canllaith: 293 icons in krystalkurve :) |
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| 14:14.30 | amichai | PhilRod: thanx |
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| 14:20.31 | amichai | thanx PhilRod that worked 100% |
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| 14:25.27 | The_Ace | Is there a proper way to make kde patches? |
| 14:30.46 | PhilRod | The_Ace: patches for what purpose? |
| 14:31.42 | The_Ace | I've made the kwifimanager systemtray transparent. But I'm totaly inexperienced how to make a proper patch and send it to the developer for a review |
| 14:34.09 | PhilRod | ok, do you have a cvs checkout? |
| 14:34.29 | The_Ace | yes I based the patch on a checkout made perhaps two weeks ago |
| 14:35.08 | PhilRod | if so, you can do 'cvs diff -u [list of files you changed] > kwifi.diff' |
| 14:35.21 | PhilRod | and then send the patch to the developer |
| 14:35.37 | PhilRod | you should do 'cvs up' first though, I think |
| 14:36.01 | PhilRod | in fact, check in #kde-devel - there'll be someone there who knows for definite :-) |
| 14:36.12 | The_Ace | I had to create a couple of images to will they be kept in the kwifi.diff |
| 14:36.17 | The_Ace | ok will do that. Thanks |
| 14:36.33 | PhilRod | any new files (that weren't in cvs before), just send along as they are |
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| 14:36.52 | amichai | how do i find out where my cdrom is mounter? |
| 14:37.41 | PhilRod | cat /etc/fstab |
| 14:38.21 | amichai | PhilRod: does this make sense: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 |
| 14:39.08 | PhilRod | yes, it means that /dev/hdc (your cdrom device) will be mounted at /media/cdrom0 in the file system |
| 14:39.32 | PhilRod | so you can do "mount /media/cdrom0" and it will mount your CD ROM drive |
| 14:39.59 | PhilRod | (ie, if it's in fstab, you just need to put the mountpoint; you don't need the device name or filesystem type) |
| 14:40.05 | amichai | PhilRod: it doesnt make sense though, because i have /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom |
| 14:40.38 | PhilRod | why doesn't that make sense? |
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| 14:41.34 | amichai | PhilRod: i dont know its like i cant access it. it shows up but cedega doesnt see it and it used to, i guess that isnt a kde issue then. |
| 14:42.21 | PhilRod | amichai: you're right, probably not a KDE problem |
| 14:43.31 | rob_lt | I was reading a "KDE tips/tricks" thread, and tried a middle-click and a right-click on the maximize button for firefox. But now, even if I close firefox when it is maximized, it still opens to that it only takes up half the screen horizontally. |
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| 14:45.49 | fek | moin |
| 14:46.45 | PhilRod | rob_lt: right-click on the titlebar - you get a menu with some options to configure the window behaviour |
| 14:46.57 | PhilRod | you may be able to force the window to maximize on open there |
| 14:47.24 | PhilRod | and btw, where was the tips n' tricks thread you were reading? I might get some ideas for ktips from there |
| 14:47.48 | rob_lt | PhilRod, I was trying that. Actually, just now, as a fluke, I used the middle and right click to shrink the window to 1/4 of the screen, and then maximize it after that. That seemed to undo the changes. |
| 14:48.15 | rob_lt | PhilRod, it was a little thread in the gentoo forums (I use debian though, just like reading their forums)... I'll see if I can find the link, but there wasn't much to it. |
| 14:48.37 | PhilRod | ok |
| 14:49.04 | rob_lt | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-269143-highlight-kde.html |
| 14:49.16 | PhilRod | merci |
| 14:49.20 | rob_lt | np |
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| 15:03.46 | zyga | hello |
| 15:04.00 | PhilRod | hi zyga |
| 15:04.23 | zyga | what could be the reason for difference in font size of qt-based apps and gtk-based apps when running in non native environment? |
| 15:04.37 | zyga | specifically qt-based apps have bigger fonts |
| 15:04.43 | zyga | and gtk apps have smaller fonts |
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| 15:06.34 | PhilRod | the configs for those two things are completely independent |
| 15:06.52 | zyga | PhilRod: but are they not both based on screen size |
| 15:07.12 | zyga | note that qt-based apps have identical font sizes when running in kde as gtk based apps when running in gnome |
| 15:07.18 | PhilRod | oh, do you mean that they're both set to the same thing, but appear different? |
| 15:07.23 | zyga | yes |
| 15:07.32 | zyga | simple example: k3b under gnome |
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| 15:07.50 | zyga | both environments are configured of course |
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| 15:08.03 | zyga | reversed example: freeciv under kde |
| 15:08.29 | PhilRod | fonts are beyond my ken, but perhaps it's something to do with dpi settings? |
| 15:08.42 | zyga | PhilRod: meaning? |
| 15:08.45 | PhilRod | you might want to ask on the mailing list: kde@mail.kde.org |
| 15:09.08 | PhilRod | "beyond my ken" == "outside the scope of my knowledge" (I think) |
| 15:09.37 | PhilRod | "dpi settings" == something I don't really understand, but seems to be brought up whenever people talk about fonts :-) |
| 15:09.38 | zyga | PhilRod: thanks |
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| 15:17.49 | Kream | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.55 | Kream | any idea what the problem might be? |
| 15:19.58 | PhilRod | I get the same - I imagine that you're not meant to run it manually - just set stuff up in the control center |
| 15:20.15 | PhilRod | kcontrol -> regional & a11y -> khotkeys |
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| 15:21.04 | Kream | yeah that works |
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| 15:22.04 | Kream | thanks :) |
| 15:22.58 | PhilRod | np |
| 15:25.33 | _neoclust | hi |
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| 15:37.32 | spiral | so, I was saying... Does anyone know why there is no konversation 0.17 in breezy ? |
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| 15:41.17 | vanRijn | ack |
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| 15:52.25 | surrounder | hey evryone |
| 15:52.36 | PhilRod | hi |
| 15:52.47 | Dachaz | Hello people! Has anyone already made keyboard mappings for Apple bluetooth/wireless keyboard, and if not - how should I make keys F13-F16, and some other extra buttons work? |
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| 15:54.55 | surrounder | I have a question concerning konqueror, on my machine it's really slow at resolving, takes about 2 min before a page gets loaded; had the same problem with firefox but with about:config->network.dns.disableIPv6 it worked okay, is there such an option in konqueror too? |
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| 15:55.49 | surrounder | any ideas? |
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| 16:01.04 | Zxcvb | any kmplayer uses here? |
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| 16:03.30 | PhilRod | surrounder: set KDE_NO_IPV6=1 |
| 16:03.47 | PhilRod | Dachaz: there's something about it in the user guide |
| 16:03.49 | PhilRod | ~ug |
| 16:03.50 | apt | somebody said ug was http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/userguide/ |
| 16:03.59 | PhilRod | ...which you can find there ^^^ |
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| 16:35.28 | amichai | where do i for help with encrypting e-mails in kmail? |
| 16:39.03 | whirm | amichai: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2004/09/msg00102.html |
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| 16:39.46 | whirm | amichai: oops, thats old |
| 16:40.10 | whirm | amichai: Do you have a gpg key created |
| 16:40.11 | whirm | ? |
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| 16:47.25 | SchopfeR | bye |
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| 16:55.43 | Minuo | I'm wondering, is there a way to set Konqueror's homepage for web browsing? |
| 16:55.57 | aseigo_ | Minuo: yes. |
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| 16:56.09 | Minuo | How? Is it in Konqueror's settings? |
| 16:56.14 | aseigo_ | Minuo: go to the page you want, then under the Settings menu select Save View Profile |
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| 16:56.32 | aseigo_ | Minuo: make sure you check off "save urls in profile" |
| 16:56.32 | Minuo | aseigo_: Thanks a gon! |
| 16:56.34 | aseigo_ | np |
| 16:56.38 | Minuo | ton* |
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| 16:57.19 | Hobbes` | can anyone on gentoo with kdebluetooth installed confirm if it builds kbthandsfree ? |
| 16:57.48 | whirm | bye! |
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| 16:59.16 | amichai | how do i get my kde menu transparent? |
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| 17:01.05 | aseigo_ | amichai: in the Style control panel |
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| 17:01.11 | aseigo_ | amichai: it's an option there |
| 17:01.42 | amichai | aseigo_: thanx |
| 17:02.43 | aseigo_ | np |
| 17:03.06 | PhilRod | that question has been asked a few times in the last few days, but I can't remember if it was just the same person/people asking multiple times |
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| 17:04.12 | amichai | PhilRod: i asked 2 days ago |
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| 17:04.23 | amichai | PhilRod: didnt get an answer |
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| 17:05.28 | PhilRod | amichai: oK |
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| 17:06.29 | amichai | still cant find it lol |
| 17:08.59 | amichai | PhilRod: do u know why i cant enable my menu to be transparent? i found it, but its not clickable |
| 17:10.20 | PhilRod | presumably because you don't have xcompmgr, but aseigo_ is the person to ask about that |
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| 17:10.48 | amichai | aseigo_: i need xcompmgr? |
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| 17:11.05 | amichai | aseigo_: for the transparent menu |
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| 17:11.09 | michel_v | yo |
| 17:11.14 | michel_v | any idea if Konqueror 3.4 stopped going to quirks mode when it encounters an XHTML 1.0 Transitional webpage? |
| 17:11.24 | michel_v | or where I could find a detailed changelog for khtml? |
| 17:11.35 | michel_v | (I do not care for the generic features blahblah) |
| 17:12.30 | aseigo_ | michel_v: http://webcvs.kde.org/kdelibs/khtml/ChangeLog?rev=1.423&view=log |
| 17:12.49 | aseigo_ | or, to view the more recent: http://webcvs.kde.org/kdelibs/khtml/ChangeLog?view=markup |
| 17:13.20 | michel_v | thanks aseigo_, I was looking for it in the wrong place (kdebase instead of kdelibs) |
| 17:14.09 | aseigo_ | michel_v: de nada |
| 17:14.39 | rob_lt | Is there a way to stop kde from creating a dotted outline around the last icon that I used to launch a program on the desktop, even when I don't have any apps open anymore? It is very distracting. KDE 3.3.2. |
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| 17:47.55 | vanRijn | hmmmm |
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| 17:49.02 | vanRijn | when I drag a message from the list in kmail to the folder tree on the left, it doesn't highlight the destination folder before I drop it. kmail used to highlight the folder with a border to indicate the target folder. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 18:19.45 | spiral | hi |
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| 18:21.14 | alex | 44t |
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| 18:34.56 | k-s | I'm having trouble using konqueror... it doesn't find any website, while everything else does. I don't have any proxy set... I suspect it's a "dirty" config somewhere... any ideas? |
| 18:35.22 | k-s | problem is in kio_http, since kopete also doesn't connect to http websites |
| 18:35.36 | PhilRod | create a new user and run KDE with that user. See if it works then |
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| 18:36.42 | k-s | PhilRod: yes, it does work |
| 18:37.18 | k-s | An error occurred while loading ftp://ftp.unicamp.br: |
| 18:37.18 | k-s | Unknown host ftp.unicamp.br |
| 18:37.25 | k-s | PhilRod: that's why I think its a config stuff... update: ftp doesn't work... same message (see above) |
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| 18:38.09 | ryanoe | Anyone know how to convert Shockwave flash videos to Mpeg4? |
| 18:38.32 | illogic-al | very carefully. |
| 18:38.38 | PhilRod | ryanoe: ah, now physos had a way to do that. I can't remember what it was though |
| 18:38.46 | k-s | ryanoe: use some media player that can do that, like gstreamer, mplayer, ... |
| 18:38.56 | illogic-al | swf2mpeg }:-) |
| 18:39.28 | PhilRod | k-s: try renaming ~/.kde/share/config, restarting KDE, and trying again. Does that help? (If so, you can try to narrow down the problem |
| 18:39.29 | PhilRod | ) |
| 18:39.49 | scotty | test |
| 18:40.08 | illogic-al | pass |
| 18:40.34 | PhilRod | but only just - I'd grade it a C |
| 18:40.44 | PhilRod | hiya illogic-al |
| 18:41.04 | illogic-al | heh. hi PhilRod |
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| 18:41.09 | k-s | I'll try that, let me restart kde |
| 18:41.11 | k-s | brb |
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| 18:44.15 | LaFleche | hi |
| 18:44.32 | LaFleche | anyone here ever tried pykde? |
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| 18:45.00 | illogic-al | i've run amarok scripts requiring it. |
| 18:45.08 | illogic-al | does that count? |
| 18:45.15 | LaFleche | i can't find a decent doc for it |
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| 18:45.59 | LaFleche | maybe i should look at amarok script that's not a bad idea |
| 18:46.02 | annma | a guy in #kde-devel uses it if I remember correctly |
| 18:46.11 | LaFleche | thx |
| 18:47.12 | ijcd | Why is it that if I select "Remember Forever" when Konqueror 3.4.0 presents me with an unknown cert, that it doesn't remember it forever. I get asked the question every time. |
| 18:48.36 | evalyn | Hi...is there anything I can do to cut out some of the stuff that running konqueror opens? Like "kded" "klauncher" (I'm sure dcopserver must run) "kdeinit" "kio_file" etc.. |
| 18:48.47 | evalyn | I guess kio_http is necessary...what does it do exactly though? |
| 18:48.56 | evalyn | and kio_file...is that just something used to do the disk cache? |
| 18:49.13 | evalyn | (I don't run KDE. I use konqueror in windowmaker) |
| 18:49.49 | annma | evalyn: and do those things bother you? |
| 18:50.01 | evalyn | I have a very slow system with little ram |
| 18:50.20 | annma | hmm |
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| 18:50.22 | evalyn | for the time being, anyway |
| 18:50.29 | evalyn | so any little bit of ram helps :) |
| 18:50.34 | evalyn | and those all take up a large chunk |
| 18:50.53 | evalyn | I guess I could just kill those processes and see if it crashes O_o |
| 18:50.54 | evalyn | lol |
| 18:51.09 | illogic-al | that's what i'd do... |
| 18:51.12 | annma | well I guess except a terminal browser all browsers are demandind |
| 18:51.27 | evalyn | yeah... |
| 18:51.32 | annma | evalyn: below 64Mb RAM? |
| 18:51.37 | evalyn | oh, no, 256 |
| 18:51.46 | annma | oh, come on now |
| 18:51.51 | illogic-al | hahah |
| 18:51.52 | evalyn | but I'm used to working on dual systems..I abuse my computer :P |
| 18:51.55 | annma | 256 is NOT little RAM |
| 18:51.56 | evalyn | trust me lol |
| 18:52.00 | evalyn | For me ;) |
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| 18:52.19 | evalyn | Actually..I've got a dual opteron motherboard and two cpus sitting down there right now :( just no ram for it. hehe |
| 18:52.27 | annma | those processes probably are not the most demanding on your system |
| 18:52.29 | evalyn | so I'm using this old epia-via-800mhz cyrix thing |
| 18:52.33 | evalyn | oh, no, they're not |
| 18:52.40 | evalyn | but I have other things running |
| 18:52.55 | evalyn | this is our apache/samba/sshd/etc server |
| 18:53.00 | annma | did you try firefox? |
| 18:53.01 | evalyn | lots of stuff running that not only I use |
| 18:53.08 | annma | a server is not demanding |
| 18:53.09 | evalyn | oh, well firefox is waaay slower than konqueror |
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| 18:53.17 | evalyn | I use firefox for my bank, but that's it |
| 18:53.29 | annma | yeah but RAM wise |
| 18:53.35 | evalyn | konqueror and opera are about on par, but I think konqueror's faster than opera 8, now, for some reason, soo |
| 18:53.36 | annma | is it better than konq? |
| 18:53.37 | evalyn | Ah |
| 18:53.40 | evalyn | I don't think it is |
| 18:54.06 | evalyn | I tend to have a lot of pages open, and I've compared opera vs firefox vs konqueror before (opened the same tabs in each..like 20-25) |
| 18:54.08 | annma | if you cut some thigs from konq you'll mutilate it |
| 18:54.18 | evalyn | hehe |
| 18:54.19 | evalyn | perhaps |
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| 18:54.19 | evalyn | hmm |
| 18:54.21 | Fenix-Dark | hi |
| 18:54.22 | evalyn | well let's see |
| 18:54.31 | annma | 256Mb is quite a lot |
| 18:54.36 | Fenix-Dark | i'm having a little problem getting kde to work on my non-root account |
| 18:54.39 | Fenix-Dark | i just installed gentoo, and i just emerged kde, i want it to automatically load kde when i runs startx, when i type "$ echo "exec startkde" > ~/.xinitrc" it says the file does not exist, and when i do "$ echo "exec startkde" > /root/.xinitrc" it says permission denied, what do i do? |
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| 18:55.07 | PhilRod | Fenix-Dark: create ~/.xinitrc and put that line in it |
| 18:55.14 | annma | as root? |
| 18:55.20 | Fenix-Dark | ok |
| 18:55.26 | Fenix-Dark | or should i just chmod it? |
| 18:55.28 | evalyn | umm |
| 18:55.33 | evalyn | isn't it kdeinit? |
| 18:55.48 | Fenix-Dark | evalyn, i'm following the gentoo documentation |
| 18:55.53 | evalyn | Ok.. |
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| 18:55.58 | evalyn | have you made sure "startkde" exists? |
| 18:56.00 | evalyn | I use gentoo also |
| 18:56.08 | Fenix-Dark | ya |
| 18:56.09 | evalyn | oh, sorry, my mistake |
| 18:56.14 | evalyn | I forgot I'm on another machine |
| 18:56.14 | evalyn | hehe |
| 18:56.20 | Fenix-Dark | heh |
| 18:56.21 | evalyn | KDE's not totally loaded on this one |
| 18:56.25 | evalyn | oops |
| 18:56.36 | Fenix-Dark | ty PhilRod |
| 18:57.17 | PhilRod | does it work? |
| 18:57.17 | Fenix-Dark | PhilRod, in .xinitrc it says exec startkde, what do i add? |
| 18:57.24 | PhilRod | nothing |
| 18:57.37 | evalyn | echo "exec startkde" > ~/.xinitrc <--- it said the file doesn't exist? What the heck O_o |
| 18:57.41 | evalyn | you should never get that |
| 18:57.48 | evalyn | echo creates a file if it doesnt' exist |
| 18:57.51 | PhilRod | Fenix-Dark: this is /home/yoursuername/.xinitrc you're talking about, right? |
| 18:57.53 | evalyn | permission denied I could understand |
| 18:58.15 | evalyn | Just open ~/.xinitrc with nano or something, and type it in manually...weird. |
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| 18:58.34 | Fenix-Dark | ok |
| 18:58.38 | PhilRod | erm, s/suer/user/, of course |
| 18:58.47 | annma | ..suer is also good |
| 18:58.53 | whitetiger | Hi |
| 18:58.53 | annma | ;) |
| 19:00.08 | whitetiger | when I choose from keyboard layouts in kde control center.... the model names are taken form the xserver's list or it is a set of supported models for KDE? |
| 19:00.29 | illogic-al | x server list |
| 19:00.30 | evalyn | Yay...one of the KDE init processes wasn't needed. Just saved 20mb of ram |
| 19:00.35 | annma | I guess they are from the xserver list |
| 19:00.51 | annma | evalyn: 20Mb? woow which one? |
| 19:01.03 | annma | evalyn: weird that I run KDE well on 128Mb RAM |
| 19:01.04 | evalyn | kded, I believe |
| 19:01.06 | evalyn | wow |
| 19:01.11 | evalyn | klauncher's not needed either |
| 19:01.15 | evalyn | there's another 20mb |
| 19:01.18 | evalyn | 40mb :) |
| 19:01.28 | evalyn | rr |
| 19:01.29 | annma | 20Mb??? weeew, gentoo is not optimized |
| 19:01.29 | evalyn | err |
| 19:01.34 | annma | god |
| 19:01.35 | evalyn | it relaunched klauncher |
| 19:01.39 | evalyn | not kded though |
| 19:01.39 | evalyn | huh? |
| 19:01.41 | evalyn | gentoo? |
| 19:01.48 | evalyn | why.. |
| 19:01.52 | evalyn | how much ram is it on your machine? |
| 19:01.57 | annma | you said you have gentoo |
| 19:02.03 | evalyn | mmhmm |
| 19:02.11 | evalyn | but how much is it on yours? |
| 19:02.15 | annma | I have a laptop with 128Mb |
| 19:02.22 | annma | not that one presently |
| 19:02.23 | aseigo_ | yes, you need klauncher |
| 19:02.26 | aseigo_ | and yes, you'll want kded |
| 19:02.33 | evalyn | what does kded do? |
| 19:02.38 | evalyn | it doesn't seem to be missing it |
| 19:02.47 | evalyn | *all* I run is konqueror, from kde |
| 19:03.04 | annma | aseigo: evalyn runs only konq in window maker |
| 19:03.21 | vanRijn | does WM do EWMH properly yet?? |
| 19:03.31 | evalyn | Yes...but only in the current CVS |
| 19:03.37 | vanRijn | gosh |
| 19:03.40 | evalyn | I know..lol |
| 19:03.45 | vanRijn | it's been years they've been trying to push that baby out |
| 19:03.48 | evalyn | they kind of are on a reeeally slow development cycle |
| 19:03.49 | evalyn | I know |
| 19:03.56 | evalyn | I still like it though...it's really, really fast |
| 19:03.56 | illogic-al | EWMH ? |
| 19:04.05 | vanRijn | yeah |
| 19:04.29 | evalyn | illogic-al: EWMH is a window manager conformance standard...it lets processes communicate in a standard way to the window manager to request window manipulations/etc |
| 19:04.31 | vanRijn | freedesktop.org -- open standard extension to ICCCM that Gnome/KDE/Blackbox/Openbox/others implement |
| 19:04.50 | evalyn | "wmctrl" is a command line utility out there that lets you use EMWH stuff from the command line...it lets you script window movements/etc |
| 19:04.52 | illogic-al | ooooh |
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| 19:05.07 | evalyn | (though..it doesn't let you do everything yet, really) |
| 19:05.10 | evalyn | Anyway... |
| 19:05.20 | evalyn | what does "kio_**" do? |
| 19:05.24 | evalyn | kio_http and kio_file? |
| 19:05.27 | illogic-al | so it's a spec that allows a window manager to control window in a standard way |
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| 19:05.35 | PhilRod | they're the kioslaves that let you access ** |
| 19:05.44 | evalyn | ah |
| 19:05.51 | evalyn | Hmmm |
| 19:06.03 | illogic-al | #E ! |
| 19:06.04 | aseigo_ | they eventually die after they aren't used for a while |
| 19:06.10 | illogic-al | bah |
| 19:06.10 | evalyn | when I run konqueror, it starts kio_file but it dies..yeah |
| 19:06.26 | evalyn | my roommate uses enlightenment :p |
| 19:06.32 | evalyn | but then, she has a better computer at the moment |
| 19:06.39 | vanRijn | enlightenment hasn't interested me in 5 years, at least |
| 19:06.48 | vanRijn | 'course, it's been about that long since they've done anything |
| 19:07.03 | aseigo_ | vanRijn: yes |
| 19:07.15 | PieD | e17 is outdated before its first release :p |
| 19:07.16 | evalyn | Hmm |
| 19:07.26 | evalyn | e17's libraries and whatnot look really neat |
| 19:07.27 | illogic-al | i like E |
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| 19:07.35 | evalyn | but yeah...there's nothing you can really use yet :p |
| 19:07.41 | PhilRod | illogic-al: that explains a lot |
| 19:07.41 | illogic-al | love it as a matter of fact. |
| 19:07.51 | PhilRod | oh, wait, you mean the window manager |
| 19:07.52 | illogic-al | :-D |
| 19:07.57 | PhilRod | :-) |
| 19:08.07 | evalyn | lol |
| 19:08.08 | evalyn | Hmmm |
| 19:08.16 | evalyn | ok, now there's no kioslave loaded at all |
| 19:08.22 | illogic-al | pwned by PhilRod |
| 19:08.24 | evalyn | and I have two tabs open in konqueror |
| 19:08.40 | evalyn | What's the kioslave used for...solely to *retrieve* html, for example? |
| 19:08.41 | PhilRod | as well you might :-) |
| 19:08.45 | illogic-al | lol |
| 19:08.59 | aseigo_ | evalyn: it an out-of-process IO abstraction system |
| 19:09.05 | annma | evalyn: try running a new konq instance |
| 19:09.21 | evalyn | Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: |
| 19:09.21 | evalyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.21 | evalyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.22 | evalyn | hehe |
| 19:09.24 | aseigo_ | evalyn: allows kde apps to just say "fetch me this URL" and it doesn't matter if it's ona web server, an smb server, a local file, ssh, etc... |
| 19:09.38 | evalyn | eeeek |
| 19:09.39 | evalyn | ok |
| 19:09.42 | FrostByte | Does KDE support WPA-SPK routers? |
| 19:09.43 | evalyn | I just loaded *one* new tab... |
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| 19:10.01 | evalyn | and it loaded *three* kio_http instances (many more threads...but three separate memory pools) |
| 19:10.09 | evalyn | and each one was 25mb VSZ memory size |
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| 19:10.21 | aseigo_ | RES is what matters |
| 19:10.30 | eean | evalyn: probably the same 25 mb |
| 19:10.36 | evalyn | isn't VSZ what's in ram + in swap? |
| 19:10.37 | Someone`` | i have prob. with my rpm packages when i type rpm -i kde...src.rpm |
| 19:10.41 | aseigo_ | and it will have launched 3 likely to fetch things in parallel |
| 19:10.43 | aseigo_ | evalyn: no. |
| 19:10.47 | Someone`` | rpm dont install anything |
| 19:10.48 | Someone`` | :( |
| 19:10.49 | evalyn | oh...hmm |
| 19:10.55 | aseigo_ | VSZ is ram, swap, shared libs, shm, etc.. |
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| 19:11.05 | PhilRod | Someone``: you should ask in #yourdistro |
| 19:11.09 | evalyn | ooh..launched 3 to retrieve in parallel. Gotcha |
| 19:11.15 | aseigo_ | so you can have 2 apps that share a 6MB lib, each show 7MB VSZ, and have a total actual usage of 8MB =) |
| 19:11.29 | aseigo_ | evalyn: y ou can control the size of the kio pool, but it's not usually worth it |
| 19:11.35 | aseigo_ | evalyn: how much RAM do you have in your machine? |
| 19:11.36 | evalyn | aseigo: ooh..ok. So...res is just the memory used by the binary itself, not any shared libraries? |
| 19:11.38 | PieD | for instance, E17 way of creating windows shadows is really horrible when you look at Mac OS X, KDE 3.4 with composite... |
| 19:11.42 | eean | yea, people are always getting on amaroK's case for having a high VSZ |
| 19:12.07 | evalyn | 256, but I'm running a lot of other stuff. so I'm just trying to economize. It's a really crappy EPIA cyrix mini computer (my real computer broke and I'm trying to get new parts) |
| 19:12.19 | eean | PieD: heh, well for me it hardly gets worse X.org's composite |
| 19:12.30 | evalyn | But I mean, I just load tons of webpages all the time, anyway, so I'd like to do what I can even when I get back on my other machine, to keep ram use down |
| 19:12.43 | Fenix-Dark | ah i figured out why i got that issue, i forgot the -m when i did useradd -G wheeel... |
| 19:12.51 | PieD | their shadows aren't drawn over other windows for instance ! |
| 19:12.56 | aseigo_ | evalyn: RES is unique memory usage by the app not in swap |
| 19:13.03 | aseigo_ | evalyn: mostly. heh. |
| 19:13.07 | illogic-al | PieD: i like that. |
| 19:13.08 | evalyn | hmm |
| 19:13.16 | evalyn | but that wouldn't cover any libraries that it loads into ram.. |
| 19:13.19 | PieD | illogic-al: I HATE that |
| 19:13.27 | _Sime | RES=resident in RAM (i.e. not swap) |
| 19:13.34 | aseigo_ | ... mostly =) |
| 19:13.35 | evalyn | I wish I could set "top" to show libraries separately |
| 19:13.38 | evalyn | right |
| 19:13.56 | PieD | illogic-al: I prefer no shadows that partial shadows, creating a confusion on your desktop |
| 19:14.12 | illogic-al | confusion? |
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| 19:14.23 | illogic-al | we're talking about shadows here. |
| 19:15.49 | evalyn | "minimize memory usage" |
| 19:15.55 | evalyn | "Always (use with care)" |
| 19:15.57 | evalyn | I wonder what that does |
| 19:16.08 | evalyn | I mean, konqueror's already only running once |
| 19:16.15 | evalyn | with two threads (but that doesn't mean more ram) |
| 19:16.21 | PieD | illogic-al: on E17, when I tested (one or two months ago), the shadows drawn around the windows where only on the desktop background |
| 19:16.21 | evalyn | share memory |
| 19:16.29 | PieD | not really around the windows |
| 19:16.46 | illogic-al | PieD: i know. but how does that create confusion. |
| 19:17.35 | aseigo_ | evalyn: it puts allthe windows into one process |
| 19:17.36 | PieD | shadows can help creating a kind of relief on your desktop |
| 19:17.39 | aseigo_ | evalyn: it is far cheaper on ram |
| 19:18.01 | evalyn | ah |
| 19:18.04 | evalyn | that's good then |
| 19:18.04 | PieD | creating holes in the shadows breaks that completely |
| 19:18.21 | illogic-al | PieD: i don't want shadows getting in the way once windows start overlapping. I hope E17 never changes the way they do it |
| 19:18.37 | evalyn | One more question, and I'll stop bugging everyone :) Is there any way to get konqueror to reopen tabs like opera will do? |
| 19:18.41 | illogic-al | OR at least make it configurable (and keep it as default ) :-) |
| 19:18.41 | evalyn | (when it crashes) |
| 19:19.01 | PieD | are they able to do that ? |
| 19:19.08 | PieD | can they create such shadows ? |
| 19:19.12 | PieD | I don't think so |
| 19:19.29 | PieD | such shadows are far harder to create |
| 19:19.40 | PieD | especially without using the composite extension |
| 19:20.03 | PieD | because then your shadow won't be refreshed when a window change its content |
| 19:20.06 | illogic-al | there's always that. just turn off Es shadows and use Xorg's if that's what you prefer. |
| 19:20.41 | Someone`` | what is diference btw sRPMS i RPMS? |
| 19:20.42 | PieD | no, you don't see the link with my first sentence |
| 19:20.47 | PieD | I said they are outdated |
| 19:20.55 | PieD | Someone``: SRPMS = Source RPMS |
| 19:21.00 | PieD | RPMS = RPMS |
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| 19:21.20 | PieD | SRPMS are to be compiled to RPMS, and then installed as every RPM |
| 19:21.39 | Someone`` | how to compile rpm ? |
| 19:21.44 | PieD | ??? |
| 19:21.50 | Someone`` | I`m downloaded srmps |
| 19:21.52 | PieD | a rpm file ? |
| 19:21.52 | Someone`` | i cant use |
| 19:21.59 | Someone`` | RPM -i sdadas.src.rpm |
| 19:22.04 | PieD | you should download rpms instead of that |
| 19:22.05 | Someone`` | they dont install anything |
| 19:22.17 | PieD | rpm-build file.src.rpm (or something like that) |
| 19:22.21 | illogic-al | oh. outdated. if you say so. i beg to differ. |
| 19:22.26 | sarah03 | Someone``: 'rpm --rebuild something.src.rpm' if I'm not mistaken. |
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| 19:23.19 | Someone`` | Thanks :) |
| 19:23.29 | Someone`` | that was prob Great Uhh |
| 19:23.46 | PieD | illogic-al: their libraries are not able to beat the latest X extensions for such effects |
| 19:24.00 | PieD | if they released them two years ago, ok |
| 19:24.09 | PieD | but when will them do that ? |
| 19:24.16 | PieD | in one year ? two years ? |
| 19:24.21 | PieD | too late |
| 19:24.34 | illogic-al | whenever the mighty rasterman deems them finished. |
| 19:24.44 | illogic-al | be it a month or ten years from now. |
| 19:25.23 | PieD | they claim their libraries are the best, are the top... |
| 19:25.55 | illogic-al | he's said from the very beginning that he wasn't doing this for anyone but himself and if people want to see it move faster they should get involved. |
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| 19:26.07 | PieD | rasterman was surprised because a lot of folks prefer using cairo or such things instead of considering using his libraries |
| 19:26.08 | illogic-al | so it's not like we haven't been warned. |
| 19:26.31 | PieD | warning for what ? |
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| 19:26.53 | illogic-al | warned that E will be done when it's done. |
| 19:27.03 | illogic-al | s/E/E17 |
| 19:27.14 | apow | have you tried the latest cvs? |
| 19:27.20 | apow | it is pretty impressive. |
| 19:27.25 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 19:27.26 | vanRijn | yah |
| 19:27.30 | vanRijn | more like 10 years |
| 19:27.38 | Dhraakellian | apparently, there are e17-cvs snapshots in portage |
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| 19:27.46 | moldy | hello |
| 19:27.47 | Dhraakellian | I'm not in a terrible hurry to try them out, though |
| 19:27.48 | evalyn | yeah, there are |
| 19:27.53 | evalyn | they're under the "e" folder |
| 19:27.55 | illogic-al | vanRijn: maybe more :-) |
| 19:27.56 | vanRijn | and I think mandrake isn't even helping with E anymore. for that matter, raster isn't really either, is he? |
| 19:28.12 | markey | I heard e17 is really cute looking |
| 19:28.20 | markey | all animated, lots of effects |
| 19:28.33 | illogic-al | http://get-e.org/Screenshots/User_Submitted_images/nuvola.png |
| 19:28.45 | moldy | does kde plan to do more work on incorporating ftp into the desktop... kde is amazing, but one thing gnome is great at that kde is not is it can create network folders and you can upload/download from ftp through nautlius |
| 19:28.58 | illogic-al | http://get-e.org/Screenshots/User_Submitted_images/screenshot7.png |
| 19:29.04 | illogic-al | screenies! yay! |
| 19:29.12 | SteamedPenguin | moldy: maybe actually doing research helps |
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| 19:29.27 | markey | konq does this too, nicely |
| 19:29.38 | illogic-al | moldy: ? you're kidding right? |
| 19:29.39 | moldy | markey, i can view, but i am having problems uploading |
| 19:29.40 | SteamedPenguin | moldy: been doing this with KDE since 2.2.2 |
| 19:29.45 | markey | not me.. |
| 19:29.50 | apow | i find funny when ppl bash rasterman, say what you will, what cairo ppl are trying to figure out how to do, he has already implemented |
| 19:29.56 | markey | split screen, left side ftp, right local folder |
| 19:29.56 | SteamedPenguin | moldy: I upload like a champ, sftp, ftp |
| 19:29.58 | markey | works great |
| 19:30.06 | nh | <illogic-al> http://get-e.org/Screenshots/User_Submitted_images/screenshot7.png <-- shaded windows are a nightmare |
| 19:30.11 | moldy | hrmm, wonder what's going on then |
| 19:30.12 | nh | how do you hit these things with a mouse? |
| 19:30.28 | PieD | illogic-al: when I look at your screenshots, I don't see anything new ! |
| 19:30.44 | illogic-al | nh: ur? |
| 19:31.08 | nh | if you roll up a window so only the titlebar is left, the thing is extremely wide but not very high |
| 19:31.18 | aseigo_ | moldy: you mean like links to an ftp:/ url? |
| 19:31.26 | nh | i personally find that impossible to hit with a mouse (which is why it's the first thing i disable wherever i go) |
| 19:31.27 | aseigo_ | moldy: or you mean like knetattach? |
| 19:31.39 | illogic-al | nh: ah. |
| 19:31.49 | aseigo_ | moldy: if you have kde 3.4, try the remote:/ URL in konqi =) |
| 19:32.10 | illogic-al | or if you don't just drag them to the konqueror sidebar |
| 19:32.27 | moldy | aseigo, yeah that's what i've done, but it's almost as if i don't have write access to the site |
| 19:32.28 | illogic-al | you can create you're own netfolders. woooo. |
| 19:32.54 | Dhraakellian | hmm... I think I've heard that E's file manager supports both gnome-vfs and kioslaves |
| 19:33.55 | illogic-al | i should install and see if the KDE menus need fixing again. |
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| 19:39.22 | peratu | Hi. |
| 19:41.57 | illogic-al | hello |
| 19:42.22 | vanRijn | aseigo_: that's exactly the kind of stuff that needs to be more visible, btw--and I have no idea how you pull it off. =:) (referring to remote:/) |
| 19:43.01 | vanRijn | KDE is every bit (more than) as powerful as Gnome--people just aren't aware of how to do the things in KDE they do in Gnome. |
| 19:43.07 | vanRijn | anyway... I digress.... |
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| 19:44.23 | aseigo_ | vanRijn: that's why we put it on the about: page in konq ... |
| 19:44.28 | aseigo_ | vanRijn: but yes, there is more to do. |
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| 19:49.26 | hikenboot | anyone know any graphical keyboard configuration/assignment programs for KDE? |
| 19:49.51 | aseigo_ | configuration / assignment? what do you mean by that exactly? |
| 19:50.12 | sredna | hikenboot: Kcontrol |
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| 19:50.32 | aseigo_ | sredna: dude =) |
| 19:50.44 | sredna | Hey aseigo_ :) |
| 19:50.44 | MrPingouin | hikenboot: look at the khotkeys section |
| 19:51.14 | aseigo_ | ... multimedia keys .. or.. |
| 19:51.24 | sredna | Several parts of kcontrol, the keyboard layout one sprngs to (my) mind |
| 19:51.47 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.25 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 19:52.47 | Dhraakellian | hikenboot, or do you mean for editing the keyboard layout? |
| 19:52.55 | Dhraakellian | not just choosing one that already exists? |
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| 20:01.39 | _marco | hallo zimmbi |
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| 20:05.47 | Dhraakellian | I know I've asked this before, but why was the size entry in the kicker context menu removed in 3.4? |
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| 20:07.56 | illogic-al | Dhraakellian: just because :-( |
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| 20:09.05 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 20:09.07 | Dhraakellian | just curious |
| 20:09.23 | Dhraakellian | it's not too big of a deal |
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| 20:11.33 | mr_clark | How do I allow root logins to kde 3.4? |
| 20:11.45 | aseigo_ | mr_clark: it's an option in the kdmrc |
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| 20:11.49 | abisen_off | i have a issue i use KDE and also use some of the apps that are made using GTK+ (Gnome Apps) but the problem is that the font size of GNOME app is too small for my eyes and i can increase the font size of all the application to a default value by executing gnome-control-center and then set the values of the font but the problems is once i set the values and then restart the machine and execute the application the size of the font is again very small howeve |
| 20:11.49 | abisen_off | r just by executing gnome-control-center the font size come back tot he value i set earlier |
| 20:11.50 | aseigo_ | mr_clark: you can't set it in the GUI IIRC |
| 20:12.04 | mr_clark | So its a command line entry somewhere? |
| 20:12.13 | aseigo_ | mr_clark: in the kmdrc file, eys |
| 20:12.14 | illogic-al | PieD: still around? |
| 20:12.15 | aseigo_ | er, yes |
| 20:12.19 | aseigo_ | mr_clark: open it and search for "root" =) |
| 20:12.28 | PieD | illogic-al: yes, but working |
| 20:12.33 | PieD | I just tried E17 |
| 20:12.36 | aseigo_ | abisen_off: yes... it's because they require a daemon to be running to access the settings |
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| 20:12.47 | PieD | it's not really great looking for me ! |
| 20:12.52 | aseigo_ | abisen_off: humourously, the control center launches it, but individual apps don't |
| 20:12.55 | PieD | I'm used with far better ! |
| 20:13.03 | illogic-al | heheh |
| 20:13.05 | aseigo_ | abisen_off: so just start it in your start up process and all i swell. |
| 20:13.10 | abisen_off | aseigo_, how do i run that daemon from within KDE or is there a place from where i can make those font settings default |
| 20:13.14 | PieD | (take a look at my whois ;) |
| 20:13.27 | abisen_off | aseigo_, the apps must be using the default font settings from somewhere |
| 20:13.40 | mr_clark | aseigo, thanks found it. |
| 20:13.44 | aseigo_ | abisen_off: put it in a script in `kde-config --localprefix`/env/ (doesn't matter the name of the script, just make sure it's executable) |
| 20:13.46 | illogic-al | PieD: when you get the chance http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=News | see "Enlightenment the experimental toolkit" |
| 20:14.18 | abisen_off | aseigo_, put what in a acript ??? |
| 20:14.25 | PieD | aseigo_: I don't understand how to appreciate gconf :) |
| 20:14.25 | aseigo_ | abisen_off: something like: |
| 20:15.34 | PieD | He goes on to talk of "Alpha transparency whenever you want" - Done. Evas. Live window thumbnails - XRender has to improve something WICKED for this to be sane. :) |
| 20:15.37 | PieD | Please ??? |
| 20:15.58 | aseigo_ | #!/bin/sh |
| 20:16.04 | PieD | Either we don't have the same definition for the word transparency |
| 20:16.04 | aseigo_ | gconfd-2 |
| 20:16.04 | illogic-al | lol |
| 20:16.23 | PieD | either he isn't using transparency in any app yet |
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| 20:17.44 | abisen_off | aseigo, i dont have gconfd-2 i have gconfd-1 and it does not work |
| 20:18.15 | illogic-al | PieD: if you check out the video you'll see that the pager (bottom right corner) looks like it has transparency |
| 20:18.58 | aseigo_ | abisen_off: start the gnome control center and look for what it launches... |
| 20:19.01 | aseigo_ | abisen_off: run that |
| 20:19.24 | illogic-al | lol |
| 20:19.40 | aseigo_ | KDE: Wo Do It All. |
| 20:19.42 | aseigo_ | er, We |
| 20:20.44 | Dhraakellian | aseigo, so you apparently look like Tom Green and sound like Keanau Reeves? |
| 20:20.47 | Dhraakellian | "Woah" |
| 20:21.03 | illogic-al | lmao |
| 20:21.07 | PieD | illogic-al: I know... I had this video on my computer since more than two months |
| 20:21.21 | PieD | but he doesn't launch any application with transparency |
| 20:21.36 | PieD | its transparency is only done with its applications on its background |
| 20:21.37 | illogic-al | the pager had to be launched at some point in time |
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| 20:21.54 | abisen_off | /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon --oaf-activates-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon --oaf-ior-fd=25 |
| 20:22.09 | abisen_off | aseigo, that's waht it executes :) |
| 20:22.34 | illogic-al | PieD: yes, true but there is alpha transparency effects for stuff using egje (i think) that's what it is |
| 20:22.51 | PieD | and ? |
| 20:23.06 | abisen_off | aseigo, and interesting thing is that the changes are dynamic as soon as i kill that process the font size on my running process comes back to small ones |
| 20:23.15 | PieD | did he put the pager in front of a window ? |
| 20:23.22 | PieD | no, in front of his background |
| 20:23.38 | PieD | or his panel |
| 20:24.03 | illogic-al | PieD: and the background is moving, and you can see updates in real time. |
| 20:24.03 | PieD | I need far more to be convinced |
| 20:24.07 | PieD | and ? |
| 20:24.19 | PieD | isn't the background managed by the same app as the pager ? |
| 20:24.25 | illogic-al | therefore it is transparent ? |
| 20:24.45 | PieD | did you see samples of opacity CSS 3 attribute ? |
| 20:25.03 | PieD | gecko has it since 1.5 or something like that |
| 20:25.08 | PieD | with auto refreshing and so on |
| 20:25.13 | illogic-al | nah, haven't seen it. |
| 20:25.41 | PieD | http://sharewebnom.sourceforge.net/notes/test.html (with gecko only) |
| 20:26.02 | PieD | but hey, you can ask firefox to give a transparent background to your window |
| 20:26.21 | illogic-al | i see it in firefox. |
| 20:26.23 | PieD | with thousands of small HTML boxes moving, and using the opacity attribute |
| 20:26.58 | PieD | why doesn't he show only one external app ? |
| 20:27.16 | abisen_off | aseigo, it worked i just put /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon & and now my firefox and all other gnome aware apps are much more readable |
| 20:27.28 | illogic-al | PieD: transparency wont work with external apps cause they aren't managed by egje |
| 20:27.29 | PieD | the more difficult part isn't creating nice effects on your applications |
| 20:27.35 | PieD | it is allowing it on other apps ! |
| 20:27.58 | PieD | illogic-al: I want opacity every where |
| 20:28.13 | illogic-al | it's no differenct than having supprt for whatever X uses in your app |
| 20:28.16 | PieD | I want to say my konversation window has a 50% opacity in order to see a mail on kontact ! |
| 20:28.24 | aseigo_ | abisen_off: cool =) |
| 20:28.52 | PieD | even more : I want to park my kontact windows, my amarok window, and only have my konversation window really using the screen, |
| 20:29.02 | PieD | and all the other windows are fully visible |
| 20:29.07 | PieD | refreshing and so |
| 20:29.09 | PieD | on |
| 20:29.30 | PieD | you can even test with a video (xine -V xshm, but not with too big videos currently), and it will work |
| 20:29.47 | PieD | off course, you've got apps thumbnails in your taskbar |
| 20:30.02 | PieD | automatically refreshing |
| 20:30.02 | illogic-al | PieD: then ask kde to support EFL :-) |
| 20:30.12 | PieD | no, then ask LG3D folks to continue |
| 20:30.24 | PieD | and that's what I do |
| 20:30.32 | PieD | (and I try to help them) |
| 20:30.56 | illogic-al | LG3D? |
| 20:31.01 | PieD | http://pinaraf.robertlan.eu.org/site/LG3D/galerie.php?photo=video%20-%20xine.jpg |
| 20:31.15 | PieD | THIS is innoving |
| 20:31.49 | illogic-al | but it looks ugly. E looks cool :-P |
| 20:31.52 | PieD | off course, the xine video was playing |
| 20:31.57 | PieD | it looks cool for me |
| 20:32.00 | PieD | it is usable |
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| 20:32.23 | PieD | (but some problems currently, the stability is not perfect) |
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| 20:32.50 | PieD | (currently, their CVS is broken : their X.org customised must be updated) |
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| 20:34.14 | PieD | and there is opacity on windows |
| 20:34.31 | PieD | I consider it more important than opacity on small stuffs |
| 20:34.41 | illogic-al | PieD: i don't see why E should explicitly support other apps when they already have provided libraries for us to give developers the ebility to use the features. |
| 20:35.01 | PieD | ok, so I don't see how E could survive |
| 20:35.04 | illogic-al | that's like asking KDE to support gnome just because you want to use gaim. |
| 20:35.12 | PieD | gaim works |
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| 20:35.20 | PieD | use the gtk-qt engine |
| 20:35.25 | PieD | the systray is the same |
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| 20:35.42 | PieD | only the dialogs are a bit different |
| 20:35.48 | illogic-al | PieD: systray icon in gaim still looks fugly in KDE and I will never think ill of KDE devs for that |
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| 20:35.59 | illogic-al | it's up to gaim people to fix that and not vice versa |
| 20:36.00 | PieD | it is more a gnome bug ! |
| 20:36.26 | illogic-al | exactly, people not support eva libraries is not an E bug. |
| 20:36.41 | PieD | but I can get my firefox or konqueror or kontact windows transparents |
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| 20:36.54 | PieD | why couldn't I using E ? |
| 20:37.17 | moldy | why all this talk about E, did they release the new version? |
| 20:37.39 | PieD | KDE is extremist : using only KDE apps give you far more power than using only the KDesktop + Gtk apps for instance |
| 20:37.47 | PieD | but when I hear you, E is beating them ! |
| 20:37.53 | illogic-al | firefox etc. has support for X window extensions, it's built into the app when they are compiled. |
| 20:38.05 | PieD | (I consider that KDE behaviour as normal, I agree with that) |
| 20:38.09 | illogic-al | whatever the X server can do, your apps compiled against that version of the x server can do. |
| 20:38.37 | PieD | wrong |
| 20:38.42 | PieD | you forgot the extensions |
| 20:38.49 | illogic-al | firefox,etc. does not have support for E's libraries and that's why what you're asking for isn't possible |
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| 20:39.23 | PieD | why is it possible for LG3D to have transparent windows, windows thumbnails in taskbar... for usual X apps then ? |
| 20:39.28 | illogic-al | [16:37] <illogic-al> firefox etc. has support for X window extensions, <- forgot? |
| 20:39.45 | PieD | oops, sorry |
| 20:39.56 | illogic-al | PieD: how the hell would i know, i've never used the thing. you tell me. |
| 20:40.20 | PieD | they are using only the latest X technologies, and Rastermann don't want to use them |
| 20:40.23 | illogic-al | i'd assume it's just using X's built in stuff, maybe optimized a little |
| 20:40.36 | PieD | their changes to X are small |
| 20:40.49 | PieD | they are using a X extension they wrote |
| 20:40.58 | PieD | (it is going to be integrated in X.org later) |
| 20:41.10 | illogic-al | PieD: http://xcomputerman.com/pages/archives/2004/11/21/why-the-e-team-still-isnt-excited-about-xorgs-new-features/ |
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| 20:41.33 | PieD | sorry, I didn't see any use yet of Composite or Damage in E |
| 20:41.35 | PieD | show me them |
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| 20:42.20 | PieD | and where is the source ? |
| 20:42.28 | PieD | did he enable RenderAccel ? I suppose not |
| 20:42.57 | illogic-al | PieD: they aren't doing what they're doing with HW acceleration |
| 20:43.00 | PieD | and XRender isn't needed to use composite and damage |
| 20:43.13 | PieD | who aren't doing ? |
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| 20:43.42 | illogic-al | what point is RenderAccel when not using XRender? |
| 20:43.55 | StarScream | illogic-al: AA fonts |
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| 20:44.03 | PieD | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/978 |
| 20:44.06 | Borg^Queen | Hey people. I have an odd problem crop up. Konq on 3.4, stopping accessing the web. I can no longer use it as a web browser. I can use others like Mozilla and Firefox to surf though and apt-get still works. Any ideas? |
| 20:44.18 | PieD | sorry, I have to go |
| 20:44.22 | PieD | I can't continue |
| 20:44.23 | StarScream | have you guys seen the luminousity demos? |
| 20:44.24 | PieD | see you later |
| 20:44.27 | illogic-al | StarScream: with respect to transparencies/shadows |
| 20:44.55 | illogic-al | Borg^Queen: proxy maybe? |
| 20:45.00 | StarScream | illogic-al: not sure, i just know that renderaccel is supposed to help help heaps with AA fonts |
| 20:45.03 | Borg^Queen | illogic-al: pardon? |
| 20:45.12 | MrGrim | StarScream: ya, and I'd be excited if a) I used gnome, and b) the composite extension showed any signs of active development to help w/ stability issues |
| 20:45.26 | illogic-al | lol |
| 20:45.58 | illogic-al | Borg^Queen: if you are using a proxy with KDE (internet settings) and it it down, then konq would not be able to connect |
| 20:45.59 | StarScream | MrGrim: well a) it uses cairo which qt 4 will be able to use |
| 20:46.07 | illogic-al | the only thing I caould think of |
| 20:46.10 | MrGrim | according to the X.Org cvs the composite extension hasn't seen any development fo rmonths |
| 20:46.15 | StarScream | composite still sucks though |
| 20:46.41 | Borg^Queen | No that I know of |
| 20:46.59 | StarScream | MrGrim: i think once the back end is rendered in openGL composite might get a bit more work |
| 20:47.21 | MrGrim | StarScream: what do you mean? composite itself does no rendering |
| 20:48.05 | MrGrim | and I think render is a good method to use for composite managers... maybe it'll convince driver developers to work on their render implementations :) |
| 20:49.10 | MrGrim | I'm in the camp of using opengl for the desktop is a wee bit of overkill |
| 20:49.23 | Borg^Queen | Nope no proxy settings used |
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| 20:50.47 | illogic-al | Borg^Queen: can kde connect to the net? try opening a text file or html file from kate to check |
| 20:51.20 | Borg^Queen | ok |
| 20:51.57 | Borg^Queen | I never used kate before, how do I open an html |
| 20:52.05 | Borg^Queen | just type in a addy? |
| 20:52.48 | MrGrim | StarScream: you have a website for cairo, or care to comment on what exactly it is? |
| 20:53.10 | illogic-al | Borg^Queen: file -> open |
| 20:53.18 | MrGrim | Borg^Queen: every kde app can open any file that can be accessed via a kio slave |
| 20:53.20 | illogic-al | then type address in locationg box |
| 20:53.29 | Borg^Queen | `ok good |
| 20:53.41 | MrGrim | Borg^Queen: in fact... that's kind of one of the big feature of kde... |
| 20:53.57 | Borg^Queen | What kind of addy do I put in, google.com? |
| 20:54.00 | StarScream | MrGrim: erm hang on a tick...i'll get a link |
| 20:54.22 | illogic-al | http://vandango.toenda.com/index.html |
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| 20:55.26 | Borg^Queen | No it can't |
| 20:56.09 | illogic-al | well, at least it's not a konq problem |
| 20:56.13 | illogic-al | it kde wide! |
| 20:56.34 | Borg^Queen | Aye, apparently |
| 20:56.34 | evalyn | Is there a way to force the kio_slave processes to expire faster? |
| 20:56.42 | illogic-al | Borg^Queen: you're kde packages are screwed methinks |
| 20:56.52 | Borg^Queen | It was working 5 mins ago |
| 20:56.53 | illogic-al | i've no clue how you'd fix that |
| 20:56.54 | evalyn | aseigo mentioned there was, I think |
| 20:57.05 | Borg^Queen | I didn't do anything new |
| 20:57.17 | illogic-al | Borg^Queen: log out and log back in? |
| 20:57.41 | Borg^Queen | tried it, even rebooting |
| 20:57.51 | evalyn | Borg^Queen: have you tried rebooting...clearing out /tmp/*, etc? |
| 20:58.06 | evalyn | try shutting X down, then "rm -rf /tmp/*" as root |
| 20:58.07 | Borg^Queen | Not clear the tmp. I should do that. |
| 20:58.09 | evalyn | then restart |
| 20:58.17 | evalyn | yeah..tmp's where all the sockets go |
| 20:58.21 | evalyn | maybe some sockets are bad or something *shrug* |
| 20:58.22 | Borg^Queen | ok thanks |
| 20:58.25 | evalyn | I've seen stuff like that happen |
| 20:58.31 | evalyn | it may not work :) it's just something I'd try |
| 20:58.33 | Borg^Queen | Aye, will do |
| 20:58.39 | evalyn | mmkay |
| 20:58.42 | illogic-al | if you've been here for longer than five minutes you couldn't have tried that five minutes ago |
| 20:58.44 | illogic-al | :-p |
| 20:58.57 | evalyn | illogic-al: stop being so logical |
| 20:59.08 | evalyn | you're not being true to your name! |
| 20:59.09 | illogic-al | sorry :-( |
| 20:59.12 | evalyn | hehe |
| 20:59.27 | Borg^Queen | illogic-al: diff machine |
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| 21:00.05 | StarScream | MrGrim: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xrendering and http://www.cairographics.org/introduction |
| 21:00.16 | _apollo2011_ | I just upgraded my SuSE 9.1 system from KDE 3.1 to 3.4 and noticed that the Printer panel is gone from Peripherals in the Control Center. Where did it go? |
| 21:02.16 | MrGrim | StarScream: thanks |
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| 21:02.49 | Borg^Queen | _apollo2011_: isn't it in peripherals? |
| 21:02.56 | _apollo2011_ | nope |
| 21:03.02 | _apollo2011_ | even if I search |
| 21:03.05 | StarScream | np |
| 21:03.07 | _apollo2011_ | on printer |
| 21:04.01 | Borg^Queen | IN control center? |
| 21:04.06 | _apollo2011_ | yeah |
| 21:04.18 | Borg^Queen | Weird |
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| 21:08.10 | aseigo_ | suse wants you to use YAST for that |
| 21:10.14 | evalyn | Anyone know if konqueror can be made to retain its open tabs when you reopen konqueror? |
| 21:10.28 | Borg^Queen | Yes, save it as a profile |
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| 21:11.27 | _apollo2011_ | Borg^Queen: http://linuxwiki.homelinux.com/~ksut/index.php/Image:KDE_Peripherals.jpg |
| 21:11.34 | blacksheep | hey! i heard there was a photocd:/ kio to see photocd, but that doesnt seem to be the case |
| 21:11.41 | blacksheep | any idea of how to open a photocd? |
| 21:12.00 | Borg^Queen | blacksheep: mount it open konq, look |
| 21:12.43 | _apollo2011_ | Borg^Queen: Bad Link: http://linuxwiki.homelinux.com/%7Eksut/images/5/58/KDE_Peripherals.jpg |
| 21:12.54 | blacksheep | Borg^Queen, how can i mount a photocd? |
| 21:13.11 | Borg^Queen | It doesn't mount for you? |
| 21:13.11 | blacksheep | Borg^Queen, whats the parameter for the filesystem? |
| 21:13.17 | _apollo2011_ | blacksheep: mount it like anormal cd |
| 21:13.21 | Borg^Queen | Ah ok win cd thingy |
| 21:13.30 | blacksheep | Borg^Queen, I'm using mandrake. supermount... |
| 21:13.36 | Borg^Queen | use dostools cdrom:/ something like that |
| 21:13.40 | Borg^Queen | one sec |
| 21:14.00 | blacksheep | cdrom:/ directs me to google :( |
| 21:14.13 | Borg^Queen | oh |
| 21:14.22 | Borg^Queen | _apollo2011_: you're missing tons of stuff |
| 21:15.16 | Borg^Queen | blacksheep: I can't remember what the dos addy for cdroms are |
| 21:15.33 | blacksheep | wait, i thing i discovered the application i was looking for: vcdimager |
| 21:15.41 | Borg^Queen | oh |
| 21:15.55 | Borg^Queen | You could have used kaffeine then |
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| 21:16.39 | blacksheep | no, vcdimager seems to be a completely other thing :/ |
| 21:16.48 | Borg^Queen | oh |
| 21:17.11 | blacksheep | the 'cd' part fool-ed me :P |
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| 21:18.22 | _apollo2011_ | Borg^Queen: what? why? and how do I get it? |
| 21:19.28 | Dhraakellian | hmm... ^L clears scrollback in xchat |
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| 21:22.34 | _apollo2011_ | im gonna try rebooting |
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| 21:22.46 | _apollo2011_ | i only restarted x and kde since the update |
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| 21:25.49 | Borg^Queen | Well I emptied the tmp and rebooted, nothing |
| 21:26.03 | Borg^Queen | I can surf with FF but no kde components |
| 21:28.38 | sarah03 | I just made kate explode. |
| 21:28.48 | vi4m | i got addicted to kde! when doing something in other OS i do mistakes like typing konqi web-shortcuts, or doing weird mouse gestures in windows explorer! god damn! |
| 21:30.10 | evalyn | mouse gestures are supported in konqueror? |
| 21:30.26 | evalyn | Borg^Queen: Do you run full KDE? |
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| 21:31.06 | evalyn | Borg^Queen: I've noticed stuff like that happening to me, in the past. Of course, that was with a pre-3.4 beta and all, but... anyway, you might try resetting your konqueror configuration. |
| 21:31.19 | chavo | evalyn, mouse gestures are supported system-wide. You can even use khotkeys under other window managers/ |
| 21:31.24 | Borg^Queen | Resetting? |
| 21:31.57 | evalyn | chavo: oh, ok. Hmm. Does it support the "rolling click" (hold right then left-click to go back... hold left and right-click to go forward) |
| 21:32.07 | evalyn | that opera does, and gesture extensions for firefox do? |
| 21:32.10 | evalyn | that's the biggest thing I miss |
| 21:32.55 | evalyn | Borg^Queen: Shut down all KDE stuff, then "mv ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc /tmp" |
| 21:33.05 | evalyn | oh, and.. |
| 21:33.23 | evalyn | "mv ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc /tmp" |
| 21:33.34 | evalyn | and hmm |
| 21:34.07 | evalyn | "mv ~/.kde/share/config/konqsidebartng.rc /tmp" |
| 21:34.42 | Borg^Queen | konqsidebar, why? |
| 21:34.55 | Borg^Queen | Remember, no kde apps can access the net |
| 21:34.59 | evalyn | I dunno |
| 21:35.04 | evalyn | I just saw it and figured..why not |
| 21:35.04 | evalyn | :p |
| 21:35.25 | evalyn | oh.. |
| 21:35.26 | evalyn | this too |
| 21:35.35 | evalyn | .kde/share/config/kio_httprc .kde/share/config/kioslaverc |
| 21:35.42 | evalyn | rename/move those as well |
| 21:35.55 | evalyn | not being able to access the net is probably because something's mucked up in the KIO slaves, really |
| 21:36.05 | evalyn | you might even give that a shot before trying the konqueror rc files |
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| 21:36.36 | Borg^Queen | ok I'll give it a shot |
| 21:36.55 | evalyn | ok |
| 21:36.57 | evalyn | actually |
| 21:36.59 | evalyn | just rename all those files |
| 21:37.00 | evalyn | to file_ |
| 21:37.06 | evalyn | I move stuff out to /tmp |
| 21:37.10 | evalyn | but that's probably not smart |
| 21:37.14 | evalyn | since I never remember where they went |
| 21:37.14 | evalyn | hehe |
| 21:38.38 | Borg^Queen | Aye, I'll do that. |
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| 21:39.35 | Borg^Queen | Does anyone know if there's a deb pack for faac? |
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| 21:42.08 | Borg^Queen | _apollo2011_: any luck? |
| 21:42.14 | _apollo2011_ | nope |
| 21:42.55 | Borg^Queen | sorry |
| 21:43.08 | _apollo2011_ | normally when I try to print I have to go in to the control center and "Start Printer" before the doc gets sent to the printer and it prints. Now I can't do that until the panel shows up and so nothing prints right now |
| 21:43.13 | _apollo2011_ | im baffled |
| 21:45.47 | _apollo2011_ | what could possible have not gotten installed? |
| 21:45.57 | _apollo2011_ | what else was missing from that screenshot? |
| 21:46.21 | _apollo2011_ | I think there is more stuff in the Peripherals menu now then there was before except now there is no printer |
| 21:46.30 | _apollo2011_ | don't see anything on Google |
| 21:47.49 | Borg^Queen | It should all be in the base package |
| 21:48.11 | _apollo2011_ | mmm |
| 21:48.38 | _apollo2011_ | i upgraded via yast last night and until now, I thought everything went through ok |
| 21:48.53 | Borg^Queen | repeat the update |
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| 21:48.59 | Borg^Queen | Maybe it didn't get everything |
| 21:49.10 | _apollo2011_ | i did |
| 21:49.21 | Borg^Queen | oh |
| 21:49.28 | _apollo2011_ | the only inconsistencies are kdemultimedia-jukebox |
| 21:49.33 | andrea | salve sono un nuovo utente di linux |
| 21:50.16 | andrea | potreste aiutarmi a vedere i dvd con suse 9.3 |
| 21:50.41 | andrea | al momento non mi e' possibile,grazie |
| 21:50.47 | Borg^Queen | andrea: you want to know where they sell SuSe 9.3? |
| 21:51.20 | _apollo2011_ | no one here speaks that language whatever it is.... |
| 21:51.36 | Dhraakellian | en anglais, por favor? |
| 21:51.50 | evalyn | Hi...could someone do a ps aux and tell me what the resident size is over an average kio_http thread they have running? |
| 21:51.52 | Borg^Queen | En Engles por favor |
| 21:52.00 | evalyn | I'm wondering if mine aren't too large for some reason |
| 21:52.04 | Dhraakellian | the "salve" had me thinking latin, though |
| 21:52.10 | Borg^Queen | Aye |
| 21:52.11 | Dhraakellian | Borg^Queen, heh |
| 21:52.16 | Dhraakellian | italian? |
| 21:52.32 | Borg^Queen | I speak so many languages I can't tell them apart anymore |
| 21:52.47 | Borg^Queen | I don't know what I'm reading but I understand some of it |
| 21:52.49 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 21:52.55 | evalyn | hehe |
| 21:53.03 | evalyn | That's how it is when you've been exposed to a lot of languages |
| 21:53.07 | Borg^Queen | She's asking if we know where she can buy SuSu 9.3 because she can't get it free, as in a DL |
| 21:53.13 | evalyn | At least, judging by what my father tells me. |
| 21:53.17 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 21:53.31 | Borg^Queen | andrea: Do you understand me? |
| 21:53.42 | _apollo2011_ | aren |
| 21:53.44 | evalyn | hmmm? of course it's free |
| 21:53.51 | Borg^Queen | If you want to buy SuSe 9.3 you need to go to the website |
| 21:53.54 | _apollo2011_ | not yet released for free |
| 21:54.00 | Borg^Queen | Ah |
| 21:54.06 | evalyn | oh..lol |
| 21:54.10 | _apollo2011_ | aren't there localized linux chats? |
| 21:54.14 | Borg^Queen | I stand erected |
| 21:54.19 | _apollo2011_ | lol |
| 21:54.29 | _apollo2011_ | hmm |
| 21:54.31 | Borg^Queen | lOL |
| 21:54.34 | Borg^Queen | Corrected |
| 21:54.34 | Dhraakellian | "So you're the Great Wizzard?" "umm..." "Say something in wizard language!" "Um... Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum?" |
| 21:54.42 | evalyn | localized? I'm not sure. Why, though...your English is great. |
| 21:54.48 | _apollo2011_ | no |
| 21:54.52 | _apollo2011_ | for andrea |
| 21:54.54 | evalyn | oh |
| 21:54.58 | _apollo2011_ | that we could point her to |
| 21:55.05 | evalyn | oh |
| 21:55.05 | evalyn | ok |
| 21:55.08 | evalyn | I didn't see her speaking |
| 21:55.09 | Borg^Queen | Ah web addy? |
| 21:55.18 | Borg^Queen | a |
| 21:55.27 | evalyn | It must be horribly frustrating to be online and not speak English :/ |
| 21:55.41 | Borg^Queen | Aye |
| 21:55.51 | Borg^Queen | Thank you |
| 21:56.05 | Borg^Queen | And Gealic, French, German |
| 21:56.07 | evalyn | can anyone tell me what their resident memory size is for one of their kio_http threads? |
| 21:56.13 | Borg^Queen | And Nu Joisey |
| 21:56.27 | Borg^Queen | evalyn: I dont' know how to tell you |
| 21:56.37 | evalyn | ps aux | grep kio_http :) |
| 21:56.56 | _apollo2011_ | Borg^Queen: my problem doesn't have anything to do with sane or xsane right? |
| 21:56.59 | evalyn | you'd have to have had a webpage open in konqueror sometime recently |
| 21:57.14 | Borg^Queen | Nothing |
| 21:57.24 | Borg^Queen | _apollo2011_: why would it |
| 21:57.28 | _apollo2011_ | dunno |
| 21:57.47 | _apollo2011_ | just makin sure cuz i don't see anything else that could possible be missing then |
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| 21:58.45 | _apollo2011_ | This is the site I got it all off of. I plugged this into YaST and set update if newer version available ftp.gwdg.de/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_9.1/yast-source/ |
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| 21:59.44 | Borg^Queen | I don't get it _apollo2011_ |
| 21:59.52 | _apollo2011_ | me neither |
| 22:00.00 | _apollo2011_ | no one has a clue |
| 22:00.16 | Borg^Queen | CAn you downgrade? |
| 22:00.36 | _apollo2011_ | yeah |
| 22:00.47 | Borg^Queen | Do that and see if you get it all back. |
| 22:01.03 | _apollo2011_ | thats what ill have to do.... |
| 22:01.14 | Borg^Queen | Sorry |
| 22:01.15 | _apollo2011_ | time for dinner talk to you later |
| 22:01.21 | Borg^Queen | ok |
| 22:01.22 | _apollo2011_ | its ok |
| 22:01.26 | _apollo2011_ | thx for your help |
| 22:01.29 | _apollo2011_ | c ya |
| 22:01.34 | Borg^Queen | NP cya |
| 22:05.40 | ludi | how do I browse smb network shares in KDE? |
| 22:08.20 | MrGrim | ludi: smb:/ |
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| 22:20.59 | Dhraakellian | and my akregator seems to have been banned from slashdot |
| 22:21.17 | StevenR | Dhraakellian: mine too |
| 22:21.30 | StevenR | Dhraakellian: it's set to 90mins checking |
| 22:21.44 | Dhraakellian | mine is set for 30 minutes |
| 22:22.16 | Dhraakellian | so they just did a blanket ban of akregator? |
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| 22:22.22 | StevenR | Dhraakellian: dunno |
| 22:23.20 | Dhraakellian | anyone else? |
| 22:24.06 | Marrs | I don't auto-update |
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| 22:25.07 | Marrs | I update about 2 or 3 times a day, manually, and that still seems to work atm. |
| 22:25.23 | drega | is there a way to add support to konquer for the txt extension. |
| 22:25.43 | drega | instead of it asking to download the file konqueror will open it in the window? |
| 22:27.26 | drega | nm I got it. |
| 22:29.25 | drega | actually I guess I didn't |
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| 22:41.26 | ludi | how do I browse smb network shares in KDE? |
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| 22:42.20 | StevenR | ludi: smb://some_host |
| 22:42.27 | StevenR | ludi: or smb://user@somehost |
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| 22:42.57 | vi4m | ludi: or just smb:/ |
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| 22:48.19 | ludi | No, I want to browse smb shares from within the file browser (konqueror) |
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| 22:49.53 | PhilRod | ludi: you type that in the location bar of konq |
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| 22:52.40 | m_tadeu | hello everyone....where's the best channel to ask something about kaddressbook? |
| 22:56.09 | aseigo_ | here or in #kontact |
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| 22:58.37 | ludi | PhilRod: I just want to browse though, I don't have a specific smb server that I want to connect to yet |
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| 23:06.01 | ludi | hello, does anyone know how to browse network shares in KDE? |
| 23:07.19 | Dhraakellian | lan://localhost/ |
| 23:07.35 | Dhraakellian | might require that you have lisa set up |
| 23:07.48 | Dhraakellian | and the lisa daemon running |
| 23:08.10 | ludi | Dhraakellian: huh? |
| 23:08.28 | ludi | I just want to click on "Network" and see all the computers on my network....can't KDE do this? |
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| 23:09.10 | Dhraakellian | what does it tell you when you try? |
| 23:10.03 | Dhraakellian | press F9 in konqueror (or Window > Show Navigation Panel) if the sidebar isn't showing |
| 23:10.37 | Dhraakellian | (if you haven't already done this, which You might have, based on what you said..) |
| 23:10.51 | ludi | FTP Archives and Web Sites |
| 23:10.53 | ludi | that's it |
| 23:11.05 | Dhraakellian | try other tabs? |
| 23:11.12 | ludi | other tabs? |
| 23:11.13 | Dhraakellian | services |
| 23:11.22 | Dhraakellian | is there a button on the side with a yellow star? |
| 23:11.39 | Dhraakellian | (okay, so there are two for me... hmm) |
| 23:11.41 | ludi | yea that's my favorites |
| 23:12.00 | ludi | this is hard |
| 23:12.10 | ludi | in gnome there is just the network right there and you can click on it |
| 23:12.14 | Dhraakellian | is there another one? |
| 23:12.54 | ludi | no just 1 start |
| 23:12.55 | Dhraakellian | but anyway, if you can't get it from the sidebar, try going to lan:// in location bar |
| 23:13.27 | ludi | Malformed URL |
| 23:13.27 | ludi | lan:// |
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| 23:13.42 | Dhraakellian | lan://localhost/ |
| 23:13.55 | age_ | what package provides the devices side panel in konqueror |
| 23:14.00 | ludi | Protocol not supported |
| 23:14.00 | ludi | lan |
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| 23:15.37 | Dhraakellian | try looking at kcontrol > Internet & Network > Local Network Browsing |
| 23:15.50 | ludi | what is kcontrol |
| 23:16.02 | Dhraakellian | heh... sorry, the kde control center |
| 23:16.43 | ludi | okay so why do I have to configure this? |
| 23:17.04 | ludi | I don't want a default username, password, and workgroup |
| 23:17.08 | Dhraakellian | in the LISa daemon tab, try the setup wizard |
| 23:17.54 | Dhraakellian | afaik, the defaults should probably work |
| 23:18.28 | ludi | LISa daemon tab? |
| 23:19.01 | Dhraakellian | Internet & Network > Local Network Browsing > LISa Daemon |
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| 23:19.20 | ludi | I don't have LISa Daemon |
| 23:19.31 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 23:19.58 | Dhraakellian | in a row of tabs near the top of the window? |
| 23:22.46 | neoclust | good nite |
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| 23:25.09 | ludi | I only see "Windows Shares" and no other tabs |
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| 23:27.48 | Dhraakellian | okay... |
| 23:27.57 | Dhraakellian | just out of curiosity, what version of KDE? |
| 23:28.19 | Dhraakellian | (not that I'd necessarily know anything based on that) |
| 23:28.37 | ludi | whatever version comes with Debian Sarge |
| 23:28.39 | ludi | 3.3 I think |
| 23:29.00 | Tm_T | that's it |
| 23:29.20 | Dhraakellian | I don't remember. Does 3.3 have that tab in its settings? |
| 23:29.36 | rob_lt | 3.3.2 on an up to date sarge machine |
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| 23:33.45 | anhi | rob_lt: thats what #debian-kde is for |
| 23:33.50 | Dhraakellian | rob_lt, lacking the horsepower and/or patience to compile it yourself? |
| 23:34.17 | Dhraakellian | sarge is the Unstable branch, right? |
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| 23:34.29 | rob_lt | I had it installed a couple days ago, but there were a couple dep issues that, even though they didn't seem to be affecting anything, I just didn't like having in my system. |
| 23:34.37 | moldy | does anyone know why i don't seem to have write access with an ftp account in konqueror? |
| 23:34.53 | rob_lt | Dhraakellian, testing, unstable is sid |
| 23:35.00 | anhi | Dhraakellian: sarge = testing (it was frozen months ago and is gona be stable in a few weeks (i hope)) |
| 23:35.08 | anhi | OS: Debian/SID / Kernel: 2.6.11-ck3 / Xorg: X Window System Version 6.8.2 |
| 23:35.10 | rob_lt | woody=stable, sarge=testing, sid=unstable |
| 23:35.23 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 23:35.31 | Dhraakellian | I can never remember |
| 23:35.51 | rob_lt | then, stable=sarge, testing=?, unstable=sid (unstable is always sid, afaik) |
| 23:35.59 | Dhraakellian | with gentoo, it's just arch, ~arch, M+ on arch, and M~ on arch |
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| 23:36.33 | anhi | rob_lt: it's gona be another toy-story name, but tbh i also forgot which one |
| 23:36.53 | rob_lt | anhi, do you compile your own kernel, or do you have a repo for custom debian kernels? |
| 23:37.22 | anhi | i use binary debian builds for most things, but important stuff like kernel or xorg i do myself |
| 23:37.25 | _apollo2011_ | Does anyone have any idea why when I upgraded my SUSE 9.1 sys from KDE 3.1 to 3.4 through YaST the printer panel disappeared in the KDE Control Center? |
| 23:37.33 | rob_lt | anhi, ok, thanks. |
| 23:37.37 | anhi | (tho i used the ubuntu xorg for quite a while with my sid) |
| 23:39.00 | ludi | stable=sarge, testing=etch, unstable=sid |
| 23:39.02 | anhi | gentoo is nice, but it's way too hyped and the CFLAG-wars cause way more problems than they solve |
| 23:39.16 | ludi | anyway, how do I browse my network on KDE? |
| 23:39.21 | ludi | or should I just go back to gnome? |
| 23:39.41 | StevenR | ludi: setup the lisa daemon |
| 23:40.24 | illogic-al | _apollo2011_: [17:08] <aseigo_> suse wants you to use YAST for that |
| 23:40.59 | illogic-al | Dhraakellian: well said :=) |
| 23:41.15 | ludi | what is a lisa daemon and why do I need to set it up just to browse my network?!? |
| 23:42.29 | Dhraakellian | illogic-al, thank you |
| 23:42.52 | Dhraakellian | LAN Information Server, apparently |
| 23:42.54 | StevenR | ludi: help:/lisa/index.html |
| 23:43.15 | StevenR | ludi: that will tell you lots, rather than me type it all in again :) |
| 23:43.26 | ludi | he requested help file could not be found. Check that you have installed the documentation. |
| 23:43.39 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
| 23:43.43 | StevenR | ludi: do you have kdenetwork |
| 23:43.44 | StevenR | ? |
| 23:44.09 | ludi | I don't know how do I find out? |
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| 23:44.18 | StevenR | ludi: can you be more specific in exactly what you want to do? |
| 23:44.19 | bahamonitor | hello |
| 23:44.27 | ludi | StevenR: I want to browse my network |
| 23:44.36 | StevenR | ludi: be even more specific |
| 23:44.41 | bahamonitor | can someone tell me how to start the kiosk admin tool? |
| 23:45.26 | ludi | StevenR: I want a KDE application that shows me all of the workgroups, computers, and shares on my Windows network |
| 23:45.59 | _apollo2011_ | illogic-al: A) other suse users have it (at least on 9.2) b) I have the printer configed but I need to "Start Printer" because it is stopped by default and I haven't figured out, nor has anyone I asked known how to fix that |
| 23:46.09 | qdot | anhi: I don't agree CFLAG wars cause any real problems.. If someone wants to go stable, use stable CFLAGS. If not, and something crashes, we should be happy cuz we either found a bug in kde or in gcc... Both lead to source quality improvements |
| 23:46.28 | _apollo2011_ | I can't find another way to "Start the Printer" even though I have found programs that show it as being Stopped |
| 23:46.34 | illogic-al | _apollo2011_: suse maybe? |
| 23:46.37 | Dhraakellian | _apollo2011_, would something like /etc/init.d/cupsd start work? |
| 23:46.40 | illogic-al | _apollo2011_: #suse maybe? |
| 23:47.05 | StevenR | ludi: lisa will allow you do this, and you need the kdenetwork package, which you don't seem to have...what distro? |
| 23:47.06 | _apollo2011_ | #suse doesn't know anything about my problem except that the panel exists in their control center |
| 23:47.17 | _apollo2011_ | I have CUPS started but the printer isn't |
| 23:47.25 | illogic-al | 'chkconfig cups(d) 3,5' make cups(d) start automatically in runlevels 3 and 5 |
| 23:47.29 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 23:47.32 | qdot | anhi: other thing is many gentoo users are ricers and can't file a bug properly |
| 23:47.37 | illogic-al | ah |
| 23:47.48 | _apollo2011_ | how do I start it? |
| 23:48.08 | ludi | StevenR: Debian Sarge |
| 23:48.30 | anhi | qdot: well, if someone "skilled" reports a bug with his CFLAGs and also a fix for the code in general noone will be angry, but if you take the average gentoo-kiddie who uses his 1337-h4x0r CFLAGs but cant report a bug right (no mentioning of fixing it) it will piss you off |
| 23:48.35 | StevenR | ludi: well you can use apt, but i've never used debian so i dont know how exactly |
| 23:48.43 | Dhraakellian | qdot, pleas, though, don't equate "many" with "most" |
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| 23:48.44 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 23:48.50 | Dhraakellian | please* |
| 23:49.05 | _apollo2011_ | Does anyone know how to "start" the printer outside of in KDE |
| 23:49.09 | Dhraakellian | yes, I'd like some p(l)eas with my rice |
| 23:49.15 | bahamonitor | smb4k will allow you to browse your shares |
| 23:49.23 | StevenR | _apollo2011_: your question doesn't quite make sense |
| 23:49.34 | ludi | StevenR: kdenetwork is already the newest version. |
| 23:49.40 | ludi | I already have it installed |
| 23:49.42 | bahamonitor | SMB4K can allow you to browse network shares |
| 23:49.45 | qdot | Dhraakellian: I don't say most. but many... I know a lot of really smart guys in Gentoo community... |
| 23:49.50 | _apollo2011_ | Go look in KDE Control Center |
| 23:50.01 | qdot | anhi: that's why WONTFIX target in bugzilla is for :) |
| 23:50.22 | _apollo2011_ | On a printer, right click and there is a "Stop Printer" If you select that, go back in and there will be a "Start Printer" |
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| 23:50.54 | _apollo2011_ | why are you on the #kde channel if you don't even know kde as well as the people asking u questions |
| 23:50.57 | StevenR | ludi: do you have the lisa program? which lisa will tell you |
| 23:51.11 | _apollo2011_ | no one knows what I am talking about ever |
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| 23:51.29 | ludi | StevenR: I don't know, what is the package name for lisa? |
| 23:51.44 | StevenR | ludi: lisa is in the kdenetowrk package |
| 23:51.52 | Borg^Queen | kdenetwork or something like that |
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| 23:51.55 | qdot | _apollo2011_: #kde it's not your personal call center, unless you pay us. We don't know everything about kde's configuration in every possible distro |
| 23:51.57 | ludi | I already have kdenetwork |
| 23:52.07 | StevenR | ludi: then check if you have lisa |
| 23:52.08 | bahamonitor | can someone tell me how to start the kiosktool? |
| 23:52.48 | qdot | _apollo2011_: for example, I don't use cupsd and I won't have this feature... some use BSD-lp, some LPRng, some use cups and some print with cat and it works too |
| 23:53.29 | ludi | lisa doesn't depend on kdenetwork |
| 23:53.36 | X-The | i remember that there is an option to put the menus sorted, that is to add a directory type "sort-something" in /etc/menu or in /etc/xdg, does anyone knows what is? |
| 23:54.02 | qdot | _apollo2011_: and some distros use different names (and patch kde as they want to) |
| 23:54.03 | StevenR | ludi: eh? |
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| 23:54.29 | ludi | I just installed a package called "lisa" |
| 23:54.30 | ludi | now what? |
| 23:54.44 | StevenR | ludi: help:/lisa |
| 23:56.02 | ludi | so I have to type lan:// every time I want to browse my network??? |
| 23:56.41 | qdot | ludi: and what did you expect? make a url shortcut to that if you want to |
| 23:57.01 | bahamonitor | hahaha he is complaining he has to type 3 letters to browse a windows share |
| 23:57.44 | ludi | I expected to have a gui button that I can click to browse the network....not to have to type some esoteric command in the address bar of my web browser.... |
| 23:57.53 | Dhraakellian | ludi, or get it from the sidebar |
| 23:58.30 | qdot | ludi: so bookmark it |
| 23:58.40 | qdot | DnD it to your desktop |
| 23:59.04 | ludi | yea, that's easy to do now that I know how it works |
| 23:59.30 | ludi | but why did I have to spend 1 hour of my time to figure this out? Shouldn't KDE just have it there in front of my face all ready to go? |
