irclog2html for #kde on 20050414

`00:00.44`	`StevenR`	`chl_: i dunno about them, i would read the docs on how to set those up correctly`
`00:00.48`	`Pupeno`	`chl_: well, if you compiled a new kernel after you run emerge ati-drivers for the last time, your driver might not be loadable right now, remerging the ati drivers may help... it happens all the time to me with my nvidia drivers (which I think are mor or less the same shit).`
`00:02.18`	`eeanm`	`whats a mencoder or transcode frontend that people like? I want to make a VCD out of a DivX.`
`00:02.48`	`chl_`	`stevenr, is it normal that running xorgconfig asks me stuff about my mouse and my keybaord and screen and etc?`
`00:03.10`	`StevenR`	`chl_: yup`
`00:03.13`	`chl_`	`ok`
`00:03.28`	`StevenR`	`cos it needs to configure them too`
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`00:04.48`	`chl_`	`oh steven i think i know`
`00:04.49`	`chl_`	`what fucks up`
`00:04.58`	`chl_`	`when i saw that my middle mouse buttont didnt work`
`00:05.02`	`chl_`	`i did something to xorg.conf`
`00:05.13`	`chl_`	`i went to gentoo.org and check the guides for the middle mouse button thing and copied it`
`00:05.32`	`chl_`	`brb going to reboot`
`00:05.36`	`chl_`	`i just delled what i put in`
`00:05.39`	`chl_`	`exit`
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`00:06.18`	`Dhraakellian`	`/quit?`
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`00:11.37`	`chl_`	`hey im back... nop it didnt work, but i noticed something`
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`00:12.01`	`chl_`	`when i boot, xdm loads fine, but when i shutdown, it says "Error stoping xdm [!!]"`
`00:12.05`	`chl_`	`does that ring any bell?`
`00:12.25`	`thiago`	`it = what?`
`00:12.57`	`chl_`	`well my computer...`
`00:13.03`	`chl_`	`when it shows the boot process`
`00:13.07`	`chl_`	`it shows every detail pretty much`
`00:13.13`	`chl_`	`and it says that when shutting down`
`00:13.27`	`chl_`	`everything else is [OK]`
`00:14.10`	`chl_`	`and i did re-emerged my ati drivers too`
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`00:15.31`	`chl_`	`so, any idea?`
`00:16.42`	`apow`	`chl`
`00:16.52`	`apow`	`your middle mouse button doesnt work?`
`00:17.21`	`chl_`	`well it didnt in my last kde session... i fixed the config with the patch that was on the gentoo webiste and rebooted, but now i cant c if it works because KDE wont load anymore`
`00:17.30`	`apow`	`o_O`
`00:17.37`	`apow`	`are you using kdm?`
`00:17.44`	`chl_`	`xdm i think`
`00:17.47`	`chl_`	`not sure`
`00:17.50`	`chl_`	`but pretty sure`
`00:17.53`	`chl_`	`lol`
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`00:18.21`	`apow`	`are you on text mode right now?`
`00:18.31`	`chl_`	`yes`
`00:18.48`	`apow`	`echo twm > ~/.Xsession`
`00:18.59`	`chl_`	`as root or user?`
`00:19.01`	`apow`	`so you can try the mouse button`
`00:19.04`	`chl_`	`ok`
`00:19.04`	`apow`	`user`
`00:19.45`	`chl_`	`doesnt do anything (no error, no return)`
`00:19.56`	`apow`	`no it doesnt`
`00:20.00`	`chl_`	`kk`
`00:20.12`	`apow`	`but now when you login, on xdm, you'll get a twm session`
`00:20.21`	`apow`	`try it`
`00:20.34`	`chl_`	`yeah but i still need to be able to load kde..`
`00:20.40`	`apow`	`well`
`00:20.44`	`thiago`	`echo startkde > ~/.Xsession`
`00:20.48`	`thiago`	`btw, mine is called ~/.xsession`
`00:20.50`	`apow`	`i recommend you stop the xdm service`
`00:21.03`	`apow`	`and use startx till you figure whats going on`
`00:21.14`	`apow`	`makes easier to debug/restart`
`00:21.25`	`chl_`	`how do i start the xdm? u mean rc-update remove or something?`
`00:21.36`	`apow`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:22.07`	`chl_`	`Stopping xdm..`
`00:22.12`	`apow`	`then you can start x by using startx at prompt`
`00:22.13`	`chl_`	`error stopping xdm [!!]`
`00:22.15`	`chl_`	`ok`
`00:22.21`	`chl_`	`nop`
`00:22.23`	`chl_`	`startx didnt work`
`00:22.27`	`apow`	`error message?`
`00:22.43`	`chl_`	`i can only see the last part`
`00:22.47`	`apow`	`what is it`
`00:22.56`	`chl_`	`which says Fatal Server Error:`
`00:22.59`	`chl_`	`no screens found`
`00:23.06`	`apow`	`what is your video board?`
`00:23.09`	`chl_`	`ati`
`00:23.39`	`apow`	`check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`00:24.05`	`apow`	`then check /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
`00:24.40`	`chl_`	`xorg.conf is empty`
`00:24.44`	`apow`	`o_O`
`00:24.52`	`apow`	`what distro are you using?`
`00:24.55`	`chl_`	`gentoo`
`00:25.18`	`apow`	`try, as root, /usr/bin/X11/X -configure`
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`00:25.35`	`chl_`	`oh lol`
`00:25.37`	`chl_`	`damn`
`00:25.40`	`chl_`	`it says`
`00:25.42`	`apow`	`it should generate a xorg.conf in your /root`
`00:25.52`	`chl_`	`data incomplete in file (path to the xorg.conf file)`
`00:25.56`	`chl_`	`thats the error`
`00:26.07`	`apow`	`with X -configure command?`
`00:26.26`	`chl_`	`DAMNIT`
`00:26.33`	`chl_`	`no that was when checking the log apow`
`00:26.33`	`apow`	`?`
`00:26.33`	`chl_`	`but`
`00:26.37`	`apow`	`lol`
`00:26.38`	`chl_`	`when i did X -configure`
`00:26.39`	`chl_`	`it says`
`00:26.47`	`chl_`	`Fatal Server Error:`
`00:27.00`	`chl_`	`Caught signal 11. Server aborting`
`00:27.14`	`apow`	`uh... thats weird`
`00:27.34`	`chl_`	`i got lots of errors above that though'`
`00:28.08`	`apow`	`you should really emerge gpm`
`00:28.18`	`chl_`	`gpm?`
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`00:28.22`	`chl_`	`whats that`
`00:28.22`	`apow`	`i have this funny feeling you are copying error messages by hand`
`00:28.26`	`apow`	`heh`
`00:28.27`	`chl_`	`yes`
`00:28.27`	`chl_`	`lol`
`00:28.28`	`chl_`	`y`
`00:28.41`	`apow`	`gpm is like a "mouse driver" for when you are on text mode`
`00:28.46`	`chl_`	`lolll`
`00:28.48`	`chl_`	`nice`
`00:28.52`	`chl_`	`so i can cp paste?`
`00:28.52`	`apow`	`and it allows you to copy paste`
`00:28.54`	`chl_`	`cool`
`00:29.02`	`chl_`	`emerging right now`
`00:29.06`	`apow`	`emerge it before we continue :D`
`00:29.13`	`chl_`	`but i have like a billion .o files that are unresolved`
`00:29.22`	`chl_`	`from when i did the -config thing`
`00:29.22`	`apow`	`that's not good.`
`00:29.31`	`chl_`	`:(`
`00:29.32`	`apow`	`probably a ati-drivers issue`
`00:29.41`	`chl_`	`stupid ati`
`00:29.44`	`apow`	`i don't have an ati, so can't really help you much with that`
`00:29.47`	`apow`	`i'll try though`
`00:29.50`	`chl_`	`ok thx`
`00:29.52`	`chl_`	`finished emerging`
`00:30.03`	`chl_`	`do i need to load it or something?`
`00:30.12`	`apow`	`if you want to send me a blazing new radeon so i can help you better, i'm fine with that :D`
`00:30.17`	`chl_`	`haha`
`00:30.25`	`apow`	`try /etc/init.d/gpm start`
`00:30.35`	`chl_`	`err how do i copoy?`
`00:30.36`	`chl_`	`copy*`
`00:30.46`	`apow`	`is the mouse cursor visible?`
`00:30.49`	`cartel_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:30.52`	`apow`	`can you move it around?`
`00:30.55`	`chl_`	`nop no mouse curosr`
`00:31.00`	`apow`	`try moving mouse`
`00:31.04`	`chl_`	`i am`
`00:31.05`	`cartel_`	`gpmconfig`
`00:31.22`	`chl_`	`gpmconfig: command not found`
`00:31.30`	`apow`	`did you start gpm with /etc/init.d/gpm start`
`00:31.38`	`chl_`	`oh lol`
`00:31.43`	`apow`	`+_+`
`00:31.43`	`chl_`	`i was trying to copy that`
`00:32.05`	`apow`	`it's ok, i charge by the hour :D`
`00:32.08`	`chl_`	`it says i need to setup something first`
`00:32.08`	`chl_`	`haha`
`00:32.17`	`chl_`	`gone broke`
`00:32.20`	`apow`	`try /etc/conf.d/gpm`
`00:32.38`	`chl_`	`permission denied`
`00:32.50`	`chl_`	`MOUSEDEV and MOUSE are the things i need to setup`
`00:32.52`	`apow`	`as root...`
`00:32.53`	`chl_`	`theyre in /etc/conf.d`
`00:32.56`	`chl_`	`yes im root`
`00:33.04`	`chl_`	`well i'm su'd`
`00:33.10`	`apow`	`how come you got permission denied error?`
`00:33.13`	`apow`	`O_O`
`00:33.16`	`chl_`	`no idea`
`00:33.23`	`apow`	`ls -l /etc/conf.d/gpm`
`00:33.41`	`chl_`	`oh...`
`00:33.41`	`chl_`	`nvm`
`00:33.44`	`chl_`	`i didnt nano into it`
`00:33.49`	`apow`	`...`
`00:33.49`	`chl_`	`i just did as if it was a exe or something`
`00:33.56`	`chl_`	`ok im in the file`
`00:33.59`	`chl_`	`no comment`
`00:34.22`	`apow`	`you picked the wrond distro to start`
`00:34.25`	`apow`	`wrong*`
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`00:34.32`	`chl_`	`its already setup`
`00:34.52`	`apow`	`so what? if it is your pc, wipe it out and install slackware`
`00:34.57`	`chl_`	`lol ;(`
`00:35.12`	`apow`	`it's pretty bare, but has basic configuration utilities`
`00:35.17`	`chl_`	`yeah...`
`00:35.36`	`apow`	`that way you get to mess with system internals, but the default just works so you can get started`
`00:35.38`	`chl_`	`wont it be easier finishing gentoo now that everything is done except this kde loading thing`
`00:35.55`	`apow`	`maybe, but then what will you do when something breaks?`
`00:36.02`	`apow`	`and that happens in gentoo... a lot.`
`00:36.12`	`chl_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:36.15`	`Dhraakellian`	`heh`
`00:36.18`	`Dhraakellian`	`and read the docs`
`00:36.22`	`chl_`	`yeah`
`00:36.24`	`chl_`	`obviously`
`00:36.32`	`Dhraakellian`	`gentoo's docs are one of its biggest strengths`
`00:36.39`	`apow`	`well, have fun :)`
`00:36.40`	`chl_`	`i just never think of doing nano -w before checking a file`
`00:36.41`	`chl_`	`;(`
`00:36.56`	`apow`	`i learned linux in a slack 2.2 box`
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`00:37.14`	`chl_`	`yay i got the mouse working`
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`00:37.34`	`apow`	`had this newb manual with the basic steps... and a load of HOWTOs in /usr/doc`
`00:37.39`	`chl_`	`14:36 < apow> had this newb manual with the basic steps... and a load of HOWTOs`
`00:37.39`	`chl_`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`00:37.40`	`chl_`	`14:36 < apow> had this newb manual with the basic steps... and a load of HOWTOs`
`00:37.40`	`chl_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:37.46`	`chl_`	`nice nice`
`00:37.50`	`apow`	`:)`
`00:37.52`	`apow`	`now`
`00:37.53`	`klees`	`does anyone know how can i enable programming coloring in Kate when starting a new document?`
`00:38.07`	`chl_`	`what now?`
`00:38.10`	`apow`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:38.14`	`chl_`	`lol`
`00:38.27`	`apow`	`and paste the errors on xorg.0.log`
`00:38.32`	`chl_`	`oh ok`
`00:38.34`	`apow`	`s/on/of`
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`00:40.31`	`Zxcvb__`	`how is KDE 5.x coming along?`
`00:41.21`	`thiago`	`it'll be released along with Longhorn :)`
`00:41.38`	`Dhraakellian`	`Zxcvb__, great. We think it'll totally pwn Gnome 4.x`
`00:41.52`	`Dhraakellian`	`!;)`
`00:41.56`	`thiago`	`but it will require Linux 2.8 to run`
`00:42.32`	`apow`	`Zxcvb__: we already finished kde 5.x but promised RMS we'd only release it when GNU/Hurd got completed.`
`00:42.41`	`sarah03`	`... I thought it would require at least Linux 4.0.`
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`00:45.26`	`Zxcvb__`	`what will need to be done with kde 3.x/4.x programs to make them work on 5.x?`
`00:45.30`	`chl_`	`so what was that command?`
`00:45.31`	`chl_`	`:(`
`00:46.13`	`annma`	`Zxcvb__: ?`
`00:46.19`	`thiago`	`Zxcvb__: well, they will have to be ported to the KDE 5.x API`
`00:46.23`	`thiago`	`and Qt 5.x as well`
`00:47.05`	`Zxcvb__`	`to go from kde 2.x to 3.x required pretty much a full rewrite`
`00:47.33`	`Zxcvb__`	`in most cases it was easier to rewrite from scratch than port`
`00:47.34`	`annma`	`no, not so`
`00:47.43`	`annma`	`woow, surely not`
`00:47.54`	`annma`	`2 to 3 was quite straightforward`
`00:47.55`	`Zxcvb__`	`from Qt 2 to Qt 3`
`00:47.59`	`annma`	`yes`
`00:48.04`	`annma`	`I did some`
`00:48.12`	`annma`	`was quite easy`
`00:48.21`	`thiago`	`the 3 -> 4 switch will be a bit more difficult`
`00:48.33`	`annma`	`yes, probably`
`00:48.33`	`thiago`	`I at least plan on convincing everyone to start using namespaces`
`00:48.39`	`Zxcvb__`	`comparable to win32 to linux and gtk or qt?`
`00:48.40`	`annma`	`yes`
`00:48.50`	`thiago`	`Zxcvb__: comparable to 1 -> 2`
`00:49.10`	`Zxcvb__`	`or xbox to linux`
`00:49.37`	`annma`	`I live only in the free world, Zxcvb__`
`00:50.28`	`Zxcvb__`	`ok then, porting a GTK app to Qt`
`00:51.01`	`Zxcvb__`	`there was one Qt upgrade where it was often easier to do a full rewrite from scratch than to bother porting`
`00:51.09`	`thiago`	`no`
`00:51.11`	`thiago`	`not comparable`
`00:51.17`	`thiago`	`it's comparable to porting Qt 1.x to 2.x`
`00:51.26`	`annma`	`Zxcvb__: well we do port, we don't rewrite kde`
`00:51.34`	`annma`	`so it'snot so difficult`
`00:52.06`	`Dhraakellian`	`and even rewrites would be more along the lines of refactoring, if anything, I'm guessing`
`00:52.11`	`annma`	`the Trolls have already some tools available`
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`00:52.23`	`annma`	`Dhraakellian: yes`
`00:53.05`	`annma`	`it's fun!`
`00:53.09`	`annma`	`Qt is fun`
`00:54.05`	`annma`	`well, it's fun when it does what you want`
`00:54.12`	`annma`	`which is not my case at the moment`
`00:54.18`	`annma`	`damned QPainter`
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`00:55.12`	`Dhraakellian`	`heh`
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`00:57.30`	`Unbeliever`	`anyone has an invitation to gmail.com?? ;)`
`00:59.04`	`annma`	`I have 50`
`00:59.14`	`annma`	`gmail sucks big time`
`00:59.35`	`Dhraakellian`	`heh`
`00:59.37`	`Unbeliever`	`i need a gmail account`
`01:00.11`	`Dhraakellian`	`annma, you saying that based on the basic version that they provide for non-FF/IE/Safari browsers?`
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`01:00.46`	`annma`	`based in the number of spam in my unused account`
`01:00.53`	`annma`	`in/on`
`01:00.56`	`Dhraakellian`	`heh`
`01:01.01`	`annma`	`I never use it`
`01:01.12`	`annma`	`but spam keeps coming`
`01:01.14`	`Dhraakellian`	`I think it's caught all but two spam messages for me`
`01:01.16`	`annma`	`weird`
`01:01.20`	`Zxcvb__`	`Dhraakellian: does konqueror work well if you spoof as safari?`
`01:01.27`	`Dhraakellian`	`Zxcvb__, I dunno`
`01:01.30`	`Dhraakellian`	`I use FF`
`01:01.46`	`annma`	`it used to work until the gmail scripts changed again`
`01:02.08`	`Dhraakellian`	`I think there's a noBrowserCheck page of some sort`
`01:02.25`	`annma`	`Unbeliever: just msg me and paste your email address`
`01:02.49`	`Zxcvb__`	`annma: do they rely on bugs in safari?`
`01:03.03`	`annma`	`who?`
`01:03.10`	`Zxcvb__`	`annma: gmail`
`01:03.13`	`Dhraakellian`	`Zxcvb__, some of Apple's patches to khtml are, shall we say, ugly hacks`
`01:03.27`	`Dhraakellian`	`(from what I gather, that is)`
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`01:03.53`	`Zxcvb__`	`at least gmail doesn't rely on in memory patching of the browser like some MSIE only sites`
`01:03.57`	`Dhraakellian`	`and the KDE folks who work on khtml have to "clean them up" first`
`01:04.25`	`Tpo1`	`how come xine doesn't work with RAM files?`
`01:04.52`	`Dhraakellian`	`Tpo1, do you have the appropriate codecs?`
`01:05.28`	`Zxcvb__`	`Tpo1: what are you using to play them with xine?`
`01:05.50`	`Tpo1`	`hmm`
`01:05.53`	`Zxcvb__`	`Tpo1: make sure your xine was compiled with binary codec support`
`01:06.01`	`Tpo1`	`I believe I have the correct codecs`
`01:06.42`	`Zxcvb__`	`Tpo1: most distros don't so I always recompile both mplayer and xine myself after sticking the files in the all codecs package (all-<date> ) in /usr/local/lib/codecs`
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`01:07.00`	`Tpo1`	`I built xine-libs, xine from scratch, no distro`
`01:07.02`	`Zxcvb__`	`Tpo1: doesn't matter if your distro disabled binary codec support`
`01:07.20`	`Zxcvb__`	`Tpo1: did you have the libs in /usr/local/lib/codecs?`
`01:07.30`	`delltony`	`what file does kde gets its recent used info from? like kplayer list all the videos i have played and so forth. i went to control panel and cleared recent but it didn't effect kplayer and other applications that log recent used.`
`01:07.33`	`Tpo1`	`I throw 'em all in /usr/share/win32 heh`
`01:07.39`	`Zxcvb__`	`Tpo1: xine requires the binary codecs in place before you run ./configure`
`01:07.42`	`Tpo1`	`kk, lemme check`
`01:07.58`	`Tpo1`	`kk, I will recompile xine-lib`
`01:07.59`	`Zxcvb__`	`Tpo1: then use --with-win32-codecs-dir=/foo or something similar`
`01:08.09`	`Tpo1`	`k`
`01:08.18`	`Zxcvb__`	`Tpo1: win32 codec support is done at compile time though libdvdcss support is done at runtime`
`01:08.36`	`Zxcvb__`	`Tpo1: I recommend kmplayer for a xine/mplayer frontend and konqueror support`
`01:08.55`	`Tpo1`	`k`
`01:09.04`	`Dhraakellian`	`delltony, I think they store them in their own configs`
`01:09.05`	`Tpo1`	`konstruct tried to build noatun`
`01:09.09`	`Tpo1`	`it failed miserably`
`01:09.23`	`delltony`	`well how do you clear it or turn it off?`
`01:09.34`	`delltony`	`i just don't like that feature hated it in windows`
`01:09.59`	`Dhraakellian`	`wait... are you referring to the thing in the kmenu?`
`01:10.08`	`Dhraakellian`	`or in the menus of the apps themselves?`
`01:10.14`	`delltony`	`like kplayer`
`01:10.19`	`delltony`	`you go to file open recent`
`01:10.21`	`delltony`	`that crap`
`01:10.53`	`Dhraakellian`	`well, I think you can tell kplayer to not remember recent files`
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`01:11.04`	`Dhraakellian`	`or set the number really low`
`01:11.10`	`delltony`	`how?`
`01:11.16`	`Zombie`	`KDM Will not load at boot time, I have to launch KDM Manually.`
`01:11.35`	`delltony`	`rc-update add kdm boot`
`01:11.37`	`Dhraakellian`	`delltony, I don't remember off the top of my head`
`01:11.37`	`delltony`	`:)`
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`01:12.01`	`delltony`	`ok thanks`
`01:12.24`	`Zxcvb__`	`kmplayer is a seperate app and provides a kpart`
`01:12.36`	`Dhraakellian`	`delltony, settings > configure kplayer > general > recent file list size ____`
`01:12.52`	`delltony`	`ok let me look`
`01:12.57`	`Zombie`	`Mandrake. 10.0 KDE 3.2`
`01:13.19`	`delltony`	`that was pretty easy haha`
`01:13.21`	`delltony`	`thanks man`
`01:13.36`	`Zombie`	`I have to launch it manually, typing init 5 just echo's the messages "switching to runlevel 5", and then give me back to the command prompt.`
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`01:14.36`	`delltony`	`not sure about your distro but in gentoo you can do the rc-update thing that i mentioned`
`01:15.24`	`Tpo1`	`I don't get konstruct. I had installed xine and libxml2 and stuff before I started konstruct, and they went and built them in /opt/kde3.4`
`01:15.49`	`Tpo1`	`doesn't it check to see if you actually need them first? crazy`
`01:18.14`	`Zxcvb__`	`kmplayer provides better support than kplayer, especially for embedded (plugin) video`
`01:20.11`	`Dhraakellian`	`for standalone, though, I like kplayer`
`01:20.29`	`Dhraakellian`	`I use xine for DVD's usually`
`01:20.39`	`Zxcvb__`	`any reason you don't like kmplayer for standalone?`
`01:20.57`	`Zxcvb__`	`other than no shortcut keys for DVD functions that is`
`01:20.57`	`Dhraakellian`	`I sometimes use Kaffeine, but it hasn't been the most reliable on my machine`
`01:21.09`	`Zxcvb__`	`kmplayer supports both xine and mplayer`
`01:21.13`	`Dhraakellian`	`Zxcvb__, I don't really like the interface`
`01:21.31`	`Zxcvb__`	`kplayer doesn't add xine support to konqueror does it?`
`01:21.54`	`Dhraakellian`	`I don't think so, no`
`01:24.07`	`Tpo1`	`I use firefox`
`01:28.09`	`smouche`	`kaffeine locks up my amd64 at highest speed -- other than that, I like it alright. It starts playing large files off my lan fast, anyway.`
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`01:32.05`	`vortek`	`ehlo... Any one know when kde-look website for themes will be back up.`
`01:32.09`	`vortek`	`:)`
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`01:35.31`	`Alethes`	`werd up yo`
`01:35.33`	`Alethes`	`and stuff`
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`01:40.36`	`vortek`	`word`
`01:40.44`	`vortek`	`Know when the kde main theme sight will be back up`
`01:40.58`	`Zugot`	`it isn't down`
`01:40.59`	`Zugot`	`lol`
`01:41.30`	`Zugot`	`have you noticed different results when using google and konq?`
`01:43.26`	`vortek`	`well kde go's to a site to install themes and it says moving servers`
`01:44.17`	`vortek`	`whats the main page then for the themes then ?`
`01:45.12`	`vortek`	`kde-look.org is down period`
`01:45.24`	`vortek`	`It says moving to another server wait a few hours and has sense yesterday`
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`02:04.36`	`Alethes`	`you haven't waited enough hours :D`
`02:05.11`	`vortek`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:05.48`	`vortek`	`any other way to get themes ?`
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`02:07.23`	`jsubl2`	`does kopete allow you to invite more than one person to chat`
`02:07.41`	`Sho__`	`.oO (Why is emacs in "Editors", anyway? Shouldn't it be "Multimedia"? :)`
`02:07.55`	`tjs57`	`yes, see Chat->Invite`
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`02:10.14`	`Alethes`	`emacs belongs in OSs`
`02:10.31`	`jsubl2`	`or if you are a vi person in the trash`
`02:10.40`	`Alethes`	`hehe`
`02:10.41`	`jsubl2`	`;)`
`02:10.47`	`pootie`	`hello, anyone know how I can make a command execute as root every time I log in to kde?`
`02:11.05`	`pootie`	`I have tried to make a script in Autostart...but it isn't working`
`02:17.25`	`Dhraakellian`	`i, esc, :w, :q`
`02:17.32`	`Dhraakellian`	`what more do you need for the basics?`
`02:18.13`	`tjs57`	`:wq ?`
`02:18.21`	`tjs57`	`:q! is also useful`
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`02:19.07`	`Tronic`	`The only useful thing in vi(m) is :q!.`
`02:19.42`	`Tronic`	`Perhaps hitting esc a few times before that to convince it to move into suitable state, to accept that command.`
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`02:24.27`	`Alethes`	`I like the x button on konsole when vi is open`
`02:25.56`	`Alethes`	`ln -s kate vi`
`02:25.57`	`Alethes`	`hehe`
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`03:01.21`	`*** topic/#kde by Alethes -> KDE 3.4 released \| KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/ - the answer to your question might already be here! \| Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste \| If you've just upgraded using Konstruct and have strange colours and symbols everywhere, check $QTDIR !: Mono -- The disease GNOME got from kissing Microsoft`
`03:02.00`	`sarah03`	`Alethes: lol`
`03:02.04`	`Alethes`	`:D`
`03:02.11`	`mobtek`	`hahaha`
`03:02.48`	`pankey`	`omg`
`03:03.20`	`Alethes`	`I'm feeling pretty proud of myself for making that up`
`03:04.28`	`pankey`	`mono ownz!`
`03:04.33`	`pankey`	`just not monodevelop`
`03:04.39`	`pankey`	`fecking gnome sheet`
`03:04.42`	`pankey`	`jeez`
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`03:06.02`	`sarah03`	`Mm, shrug I'm not a big fan of IDEs in the first place. Give me a text editor that I don't need a book to learn how to use and I'm happy.`
`03:06.15`	`Alethes`	`I dig kate`
`03:06.16`	`Alethes`	`:)`
`03:06.50`	`sarah03`	`I find myself using pico or nano more often than kate, myself. shrug`
`03:07.47`	`pankey`	`oh yea`
`03:07.52`	`pankey`	`love teh nano`
`03:08.02`	`pankey`	`with syntax highlighting!!`
`03:08.05`	`pankey`	`:D`
`03:13.04`	`canllaith`	`I do like pico`
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`03:13.47`	`canllaith`	`The main thing I love pico for, is pine is a fairly standard package on most distros and if I'm talking a newbie through something on the phone I can say 'right, type pico' and not have to then get into explaining modal editors.`
`03:13.50`	`Alethes`	`if I don't have kate, I use pico`
`03:13.59`	`phxguy`	`anyone know how long kdelook.org is gonna be down?`
`03:14.03`	`canllaith`	`Nope.`
`03:14.04`	`sarah03`	`Mm, I've been using pico for so long that it's just habit to type 'pico' when I want an editor.`
`03:14.17`	`canllaith`	`I've had to symlink nano to pico on the redhat boxen`
`03:14.26`	`canllaith`	`My fingers just type it without me thinking`
`03:14.49`	`sarah03`	`nods I know how that goes.`
`03:14.55`	`Alethes`	`ln -s emacs vmlinuz`
`03:15.03`	`canllaith`	`:) Although ,it's a nasty shock when you go to edit a file and find.... no pico`
`03:15.05`	`canllaith`	`so you try nano.....`
`03:15.08`	`canllaith`	`eeeeeeek..... no nano`
`03:15.10`	`sarah03`	`Alethes: lol`
`03:15.13`	`canllaith`	`emacs? No, it's not a 'required' package`
`03:15.38`	`Alethes`	`hehe`
`03:15.57`	`sarah03`	`I'd be half tempted at that point to make use of cat, grep, sed, cut, and awk.`
`03:16.14`	`Alethes`	`when I was in college and I got my first shell, I was asking of the lab workers how I could do a website`
`03:16.19`	`Alethes`	`that was my intro to vi`
`03:16.28`	`Alethes`	`I couldn't believe it was so damn hard to do a website`
`03:16.28`	`Alethes`	`hehe`
`03:16.41`	`phxguy`	`Vi makes my hair turn gray`
`03:17.02`	`sarah03`	`First website... I did it with BBEdit Lite on a mac running System 7.1.`
`03:17.32`	`sarah03`	`And Netscape 3.`
`03:17.54`	`Alethes`	`I think if I only had vi available, I'd just sit there and do echo "blah blah blah" >> filename`
`03:17.55`	`sarah03`	`And I had an HTML 4.0 quick reference guide sitting next to me.`
`03:18.24`	`sarah03`	`cat <__EOF__ >filename ... blah blah blah ... __EOF__`
`03:18.27`	`Alethes`	`yeah haha`
`03:18.29`	`Alethes`	`I was just gonna say`
`03:20.14`	`canllaith`	`Although I notice some screenshots I was going through today where I was writing perl in vi :S`
`03:20.22`	`canllaith`	`I must have been really sick or something.`
`03:20.36`	`sarah03`	`lol`
`03:20.54`	`Alethes`	`ln -s vi makemyunixexperiencereallysuck`
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`03:21.18`	`scrooge`	`lol`
`03:21.30`	`scrooge`	`not just vi`
`03:21.32`	`scrooge`	`vi`
`03:21.35`	`scrooge`	`too many of them`
`03:21.39`	`Alethes`	`yeah`
`03:21.51`	`scrooge`	`i mean WTF`
`03:21.57`	`scrooge`	`they add on another letter`
`03:22.02`	`scrooge`	`and release a new vi clone`
`03:22.03`	`sarah03`	`Alethes: Hm, using vi... rather like trying to edit a file with an itty bitty magnet.`
`03:22.08`	`Alethes`	`hahahaha`
`03:24.21`	`Alethes`	`I don't why some developers feel like just because the app doesn't have a gui that the ui has to suck ass`
`03:24.44`	`canllaith`	`It takes me twice as long to do anything in vi/vim`
`03:24.51`	`scrooge`	`n0d`
`03:25.02`	`Alethes`	`yeah, I'm the same way`
`03:25.02`	`scrooge`	`kate, nano, or die!`
`03:25.12`	`sarah03`	`I can't get used to modal editors, nor can I get used to editors that assume that I have 5 hands.`
`03:25.30`	`Alethes`	`haha`
`03:25.50`	`canllaith`	`Emacs is ok, but I'm not very good at it.`
`03:25.55`	`Alethes`	`I can't get used to any application that assumes I have both hands on the keyboard`
`03:25.57`	`Alethes`	`oh wait`
`03:26.01`	`Alethes`	`let me take that back :P`
`03:26.10`	`canllaith`	`The editor I like the most is drscheme, but Kate is lovely too`
`03:26.26`	`canllaith`	`Which reminds me sredna made some changes to the way it does docbook stuff for me so lets test that out :)`
`03:26.33`	`Alethes`	`I'd actually like hotkeys that work with just the left hand, because it'd be nice to be able to keep one hand on the mouse and the other doing hotkeys`
`03:26.51`	`sarah03`	`Alethes: lol`
`03:27.03`	`Alethes`	`I'm lefthanded, though, so it's just more natural for me`
`03:27.06`	`Alethes`	`I use a mouse right handed`
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`03:35.12`	`Biennium`	`Ooh. Funny. I just discovered the VoiceRemoval filter in aRts.`
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`03:35.53`	`Alethes`	`it's more entertaining`
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`03:51.31`	`reagleBRKLN`	`in kde 3.4, how to make non-foreground windows transparent? i've enabled it in xorg.conf`
`03:51.47`	`SadEagle`	`reagleBRKLN: did you enable the starting of the cm?`
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`03:51.55`	`reagleBRKLN`	`prolly not...?`
`03:52.11`	`reagleBRKLN`	`link?`
`03:52.36`	`reagleBRKLN`	`using ubuntu, not sure of steps beyond xorg.conf`
`03:52.58`	`reagleBRKLN`	`libcomposite1 is at 6.8.2-10`
`03:53.57`	`eeanm`	`reagleBRKLN: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency`
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`03:54.17`	`reagleBRKLN`	`tanks`
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`03:54.32`	`SadEagle`	`eeanm: please don't link to that`
`03:54.32`	`MrGrim`	`tanks?! where?`
`03:54.34`	`SadEagle`	`reagleBRKLN: sec.`
`03:54.40`	`eeanm`	`SadEagle: why not?`
`03:54.52`	`SadEagle`	`because people using KDE shouldn't use xcompmgr`
`03:55.14`	`eeanm`	`well, thats like the last step`
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`03:55.31`	`eeanm`	`as long as we're telling each other what to do`
`03:55.33`	`reagleBRKLN`	`SadEagle, why?`
`03:55.36`	`eeanm`	`don't use words like 'cm'`
`03:55.36`	`SadEagle`	`reagleBRKLN: kcontrol -> Desktop -> Window Behaviorr -> Transcluency.`
`03:55.42`	`eeanm`	`even I had no idea what that meant`
`03:55.44`	`SadEagle`	`eeanm: good point.`
`03:55.51`	`SadEagle`	`(Bad place)`
`03:55.59`	`Tm_T`	`=)`
`03:56.03`	`SadEagle`	`eeanm: because KDE comes with a composite manager.`
`03:56.08`	`SadEagle`	`reagleBRKLN: as I said, you don't need them.`
`03:56.16`	`SadEagle`	`reagleBRKLN: just go to that tab in kcontrol, and tweak stuff`
`03:56.17`	`reagleBRKLN`	`oh`
`03:56.34`	`eeanm`	`reagleBRKLN: yea, just look at the xorg config on that page`
`03:57.09`	`reagleBRKLN`	`ah, under desktop, i kept looking in appearence`
`03:57.30`	`SadEagle`	`yeah, the spot sucks, IMHO`
`03:57.45`	`SadEagle`	`typical "implementation details leaking into UI"`
`03:57.48`	`reagleBRKLN`	`do i need to log in and out?`
`03:58.01`	`SadEagle`	`don't know.`
`03:58.10`	`reagleBRKLN`	`ok, not seeing anything so will try`
`03:58.13`	`eeanm`	`reagleBRKLN: perhaps, seems like you shouldn't if you already had xorg configured`
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`04:00.40`	`reagleBRKLN`	`hey, it works, slow as all get out with i810, but still nifty`
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`04:02.04`	`Vardyr`	`anyone know why xorg is hard-locking every time KDE gets to the "window manager" step with compositor enabled?`
`04:02.15`	`Vardyr`	`I know, it's unstable, etc. etc.`
`04:02.26`	`Vardyr`	`just wondering if there is any known reason for it`
`04:03.37`	`SadEagle`	`<shrug> your X drivers are probably being buggy.`
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`04:04.07`	`Vardyr`	`hmm, probably`
`04:04.14`	`Vardyr`	`I'll try a few things with them, thanks`
`04:04.35`	`eeanm`	`SadEagle: now it points out what to do if you use KDE 3.4`
`04:04.49`	`eeanm`	`(the gentoo wiki that is)`
`04:05.05`	`SadEagle`	`eeanm: thanks.`
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`04:13.05`	`scrooge`	`lol`
`04:13.08`	`scrooge`	`HI@`
`04:13.10`	`scrooge`	`XFD`
`04:13.12`	`scrooge`	`XD`
`04:14.10`	`illogic-al`	`hey`
`04:15.16`	`scrooge`	`dammit man`
`04:15.25`	`scrooge`	`these svn n00bs!!`
`04:15.33`	`scrooge`	`mehh`
`04:15.39`	`scrooge`	`i just understood how to use it`
`04:17.01`	`Tm_T`	`eh`
`04:17.17`	`Tm_T`	`lufs is great =)`
`04:17.29`	`scrooge`	`?`
`04:17.38`	`scrooge`	`user-mode file system`
`04:17.49`	`Tm_T`	`http://lufs.sourceforge.net/lufs/intro.html`
`04:17.49`	`scrooge`	`wuz dat about?`
`04:17.51`	`scrooge`	`k`
`04:18.32`	`scrooge`	`:O`
`04:18.33`	`scrooge`	`nice`
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`04:19.00`	`RigorMortis`	`Hi, are there any programs I can use with KDE to view binary-files?`
`04:19.28`	`canllaith`	`Yes.. there is a kpart that you can use in konqi... and`
`04:19.50`	`RigorMortis`	`waiting for the and-part :p`
`04:20.06`	`canllaith`	`hex editor`
`04:20.15`	`Tm_T`	`scrooge: but looks like I need to pach it to make sshfs working right`
`04:20.23`	`RigorMortis`	`Whats the name of the hex editor?`
`04:20.34`	`RigorMortis`	`hehe`
`04:20.35`	`canllaith`	`KHexEdit,`
`04:20.45`	`RigorMortis`	`Wow, I had it`
`04:20.46`	`canllaith`	`With great originality of mind these programs are named.`
`04:21.08`	`RigorMortis`	`well, its very intuative to what they do :p`
`04:22.07`	`SadEagle`	`yeah, the original names make no sense. e.g. noatun`
`04:22.19`	`canllaith`	`Does it have to make sense? :P`
`04:22.26`	`canllaith`	`A rose by any other name......`
`04:22.38`	`RigorMortis`	`no, not really, but its easier :p`
`04:23.12`	`sarah03`	`canllaith: ...might still be a rose, but that doesn't mean I'll have any clue what you're talking about. ;)`
`04:23.41`	`Tm_T`	`hi sarah`
`04:23.47`	`sarah03`	`'ello :)`
`04:24.40`	`RigorMortis`	`But anyway, khexeditor seems very helpfull when working with binary files :)`
`04:27.19`	`Tm_T`	`damn, it's freezing`
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`04:36.25`	`vipernicus`	`do any of you use kde with transparency enabled?`
`04:37.24`	`SadEagle`	`wow, transparency day today.`
`04:38.03`	`vipernicus`	`guessing i'm not the first`
`04:38.30`	`straw`	`vipernicus: i have, but trading glx and xvideo for it isn't worth it to me`
`04:38.47`	`vipernicus`	`straw: both work for me`
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`04:39.18`	`vipernicus`	`i have everything working smoothly, except for one weird issue`
`04:39.31`	`vipernicus`	`my konqueror right click menu is 100% transparent`
`04:39.53`	`Tm_T`	`hm`
`04:40.04`	`vipernicus`	`i have a right-click menu on desktop and everywhere else but inside a konqueror window`
`04:40.14`	`vipernicus`	`i can open konqueror menus`
`04:40.16`	`vipernicus`	`etc`
`04:42.14`	`vipernicus`	`ever heard of that?`
`04:43.36`	`sarah03`	`Hum. The closest I've heard of that one is making all of the menus everywhere translucent.`
`04:43.55`	`vipernicus`	`huh`
`04:44.04`	`RigorMortis`	`Are there any programs for KDE for designing GUI for java and generating code for it? :]`
`04:44.06`	`vipernicus`	`sarah03: do you know the fix for that?`
`04:44.41`	`sarah03`	`vipernicus: The closest I've ever gotten real transparency using composite working here was having everything vanish the moment I start a composite manager.`
`04:45.48`	`vipernicus`	`sarah03: oh, i have everything working smooth and fast here, except for that one kink, i was actually able to run it for 2 days without a crash, only disabled it because of that konq prob`
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`04:46.19`	`sarah03`	`shrug It's because I'm also running Xinerama, as far as I've been able to tell.`
`04:47.07`	`vipernicus`	`i used to run xinerama with a tv, it got to be a big hassle, having to recompile everything with xinerama support`
`04:47.35`	`sarah03`	`Mm, the only things that need Xinerama support are the window manager and anything that expects to run outside of the window manager.`
`04:47.50`	`vipernicus`	`yeah`
`04:48.10`	`vipernicus`	`everything = overexageration, sorry`
`04:50.26`	`vipernicus`	`i eat sanity for breakfast`
`04:50.41`	`vipernicus`	`anyways i'm out`
`04:50.44`	`vipernicus`	`thanks`
`04:51.01`	`sarah03`	`canllaith: Because people assume that they aren't using Xinerama, therefore they don't need to compile with Xinerama.`
`04:51.05`	`sarah03`	`For example.`
`04:51.18`	`canllaith`	`Given how many computers my hard disk has lived in though`
`04:51.28`	`canllaith`	`I tend to try not to assume my current hardware configuration is going to be the same for longer than say, a day or so`
`04:52.13`	`vipernicus`	`ha`
`04:52.28`	`sarah03`	`I have other hardware here... and I could swap hardware around with impunity.`
`04:52.40`	`canllaith`	`I'll put him back together tonight now the rest of hal has been sent up`
`04:53.02`	`sarah03`	`Except that the moment I started up another machine with the hard disk that's in this one, it would grind away for about 20 minutes trying to start up and I can pretty much guarantee I'd be deep in swap.`
`04:53.04`	`canllaith`	`All I brought with me was laptop, hdd in external enclosure so I could get at my files and my 1024MB DDR 400 to put in k7`
`04:53.35`	`sarah03`	`I don't have a system capable of running DDR anything.`
`04:53.37`	`canllaith`	`I figure if I'm gonna game on brucehoult 's pc I might as well upgrade it :)`
`04:54.09`	`sarah03`	`My Athlon box supports PC133. 1.5G of it, but PC133.`
`04:54.29`	`canllaith`	`This is an a7n8x-x`
`04:54.41`	`canllaith`	`3200+ and now 1.5 of DDR 400`
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`04:54.55`	`canllaith`	`It's nice building pc's for friends who earn more than you do.`
`04:55.02`	`canllaith`	`You basically get to build your dream machine, but on their budget not yours ;)`
`04:55.15`	`canllaith`	`My budget is uh, a celeron with plenty of memory to try and alleviate the pain of it being a celeron`
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`04:55.27`	`sarah03`	`This was my dream machine, 4 years ago.`
`04:55.49`	`sarah03`	`It's had damned near everything upgraded in it since then, except the CPU and motherboard.`
`04:56.55`	`canllaith`	`Then giving it to my mother for a present when I'm sick of playing with it :) Even she can't break a mac.`
`04:57.01`	`sarah03`	`I'm planning on picking up a used mac when I get paid.`
`04:57.02`	`sarah03`	`lol`
`04:57.28`	`canllaith`	`I thought I'd get a mac mini and a cheap lcd.`
`04:57.31`	`sarah03`	`A laptop with a price tag of $40 that has to be at least somewhat modern...`
`04:58.18`	`sarah03`	`And if I decide I don't like OSX, well, I can always install something else on it easily enough.`
`04:59.04`	`canllaith`	`I basically want something uber stable I can do actual real work on`
`04:59.19`	`canllaith`	`and it's too annoying to try and run multiple KDE's =p I get annoyed that stable doesn't have all th same features as cvs`
`04:59.44`	`sarah03`	`I just keep my last stable CVS build around.`
`05:00.30`	`canllaith`	`It's too much trouble to try to maintain more than one version`
`05:00.39`	`canllaith`	`More than one copy of the same version is easy enough. More than one version is a pest though`
`05:00.50`	`sarah03`	`I think I have 4 versions installed now.`
`05:00.59`	`canllaith`	`I can't do that and still get anythin sane done`
`05:01.19`	`canllaith`	`I think I'd get more real work done on a Windows box to be honest. At least then I can't tweak it half to death`
`05:01.22`	`sarah03`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:01.30`	`canllaith`	`Or try to build unstable DE's on it`
`05:01.33`	`canllaith`	`etc etc :P`
`05:02.52`	`sarah03`	`I go tweaking occasionally... usually I find something that works and then stick with it for a while.`
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`05:03.02`	`sarah03`	`I might rebuild KDE again in a month or so.`
`05:03.05`	`sarah03`	`might`
`05:03.18`	`canllaith`	`Every time I update kde cvs, something else is broken =p`
`05:03.58`	`sarah03`	`It took me until probably a month after 3.2.1 was released to install an actual release of KDE.`
`05:04.02`	`Zombie`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:04.24`	`illogic-al`	`Zombie: they're not stray, not exactly`
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`05:04.44`	`illogic-al`	`they hang around for a while hoping that another konqui instace will pop up and need them`
`05:04.53`	`canllaith`	`disable preloading`
`05:04.57`	`illogic-al`	`and if it happens then it'll take less time accesing them`
`05:05.00`	`canllaith`	`remember to close the window?`
`05:05.31`	`Zombie`	`This prevents me from unmounting things.`
`05:07.20`	`illogic-al`	`kdelibs. with debugging or without?`
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`05:10.45`	`Zombie`	`How do I prevent this behavior?`
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`05:19.43`	`lexhider`	`little help, how do I take a screenshot?`
`05:19.53`	`SadEagle`	`ksnapshot`
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`05:47.46`	`ritalin`	`seriously kate is the coolest text editor I ever used`
`05:48.11`	`ritalin`	`I always thought it was just a little notepad clone`
`05:48.19`	`ritalin`	`it rivals emacs in terms of power!`
`05:51.02`	`eeanm`	`yea, kate is fine`
`05:52.12`	`ritalin`	`built in konsole is what im loving`
`05:52.20`	`ritalin`	`perfect for testing scripts`
`05:52.27`	`eeanm`	`yep`
`05:53.15`	`ritalin`	`Im trying to learn ruby so comes in handy`
`05:53.25`	`ritalin`	`plus the syntax highlight rocks`
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`05:57.54`	`Tm_T`	`hm, nano is all I need :)`
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`05:58.42`	`ritalin`	`I use ee for basic editing`
`05:58.51`	`ritalin`	`its alot like nano/pico`
`05:59.25`	`ritalin`	`I was playing with emacs but felt it was to unintuitive`
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`06:13.32`	`grepper`	`:P`
`06:13.38`	`ritalin`	`Im running kubuntu`
`06:13.43`	`ritalin`	`Its pretty neat`
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`06:21.36`	`darkie33`	`i get this output in valgrind -v ---> Executable range 0xb0000000-0xb0255e80 is outside the acceptable range 0x80ce000-0x7ffff000`
`06:21.48`	`darkie33`	`can somebody help me with this ?`
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`06:25.33`	`Arc`	`I would like to customise KDM beyond what is available in the ControlCenter`
`06:25.40`	`Arc`	`can anyone point me to docs?`
`06:28.46`	`ritalin`	`try the wiki`
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`06:32.27`	`Arc`	`nothing found through google for "kde kdm wiki"`
`06:32.49`	`ritalin`	`Doesnt the wiki have a search`
`06:34.58`	`Arc`	`not as good as google.`
`06:36.22`	`Arc`	`this is silly. the protocol of kdm_greet should be publically documented.`
`06:36.46`	`Arc`	`I need to do some work with the layout and face browser above and beyond what KDM currently supports`
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`06:43.36`	`Arc`	`atleast I can read the source.`
`06:44.06`	`syli725`	`hi, can i save session in kate just like :mksession in vim?`
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`06:45.22`	`syli725`	`hi, can i save session in kate just like :mksession in vim?`
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`06:48.33`	`Tm_T`	`hullo`
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`06:51.06`	`syli725`	`Can anyone read my question?`
`06:51.38`	`ritalin`	`:)`
`06:53.47`	`Tm_T`	`nope, it's encrypted`
`06:54.29`	`ritalin`	`heh`
`06:56.52`	`Arc`	`dude just download GPG, geesh`
`06:56.58`	`Arc`	`I can read his question`
`06:57.19`	`Tm_T`	`omg`
`06:58.11`	`lauri`	`syli725: how old is your kate?`
`06:58.33`	`lauri`	`if it's from a cvs HEAD checkout of the last couple of days, then, yeah, sort of`
`06:58.34`	`ritalin`	`his kate is a milf`
`06:58.39`	`ritalin`	`ok bad joke`
`06:58.57`	`Tm_T`	`=)`
`06:58.59`	`lauri`	`oh that was a joke?`
`06:59.36`	`syli725`	`hi, guys. thanks for answering my question. i have to go to lecture now. see you. thanks.`
`06:59.43`	`Tm_T`	`=)`
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`07:01.05`	`lauri`	`any particular reason?`
`07:01.21`	`aseigo`	`i just sat and wrote for 15 minutes only to get: Internal Server Error`
`07:01.30`	`aseigo`	`so if it doesn't come back up soon i'm going to get pissy`
`07:02.51`	`aseigo`	`yay! it's back. now let's see if it munged my entry.`
`07:03.42`	`aseigo`	`lauri: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2005/04/lyceum.html`
`07:04.37`	`aseigo`	`oh feck i put the same image twice.`
`07:04.52`	`Tm_T`	`=)`
`07:05.04`	`lauri`	`you're just messing with my head nonstop today aren't you`
`07:05.17`	`aseigo`	`yeah, i suck lauri. sorry. =)`
`07:05.30`	`lauri`	`oh god`
`07:05.37`	`Tm_T`	`lauri: everybody wan't to mess with your head ;)`
`07:05.38`	`lauri`	`you're messing with my head accidentally?`
`07:06.12`	`aseigo`	`bogger.com`
`07:06.13`	`aseigo`	`i swear.`
`07:06.45`	`aseigo`	`there we go.`
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`07:06.54`	`lauri`	`I got a freelance job`
`07:06.56`	`lauri`	`it sucks`
`07:06.56`	`ritalin`	`You need to use capitalization on the blog`
`07:07.19`	`scrooge`	`ritalin--`
`07:07.22`	`ritalin`	`im not a grammar nazi by no means but when you start a new sentence you should use a capital`
`07:07.23`	`scrooge`	`its a BLOG`
`07:07.26`	`scrooge`	`jeez`
`07:07.29`	`scrooge`	`lol`
`07:07.31`	`scrooge`	`lame`
`07:07.34`	`scrooge`	`aseigo, nice`
`07:07.37`	`aseigo`	`ritalin: dude, i don't capitalize. it's part of my persona.`
`07:07.45`	`scrooge`	`aseigo++`
`07:07.46`	`aseigo`	`ritalin: unless i'm writing in an official capacity`
`07:07.54`	`aseigo`	`ritalin: that's how you know when i'm being Serious or just .. me =)`
`07:07.55`	`scrooge`	`rofl`
`07:08.04`	`lauri`	`and complete lack of punctuation, and capitalisation`
`07:08.05`	`scrooge`	`ritalin, all j00 base r belong 2 me`
`07:08.06`	`aseigo`	`lauri: hehe`
`07:08.22`	`aseigo`	`scrooge: yeah, you like?`
`07:08.28`	`scrooge`	`aseigo, yea :D`
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`07:08.37`	`aseigo`	`scrooge: i'm hoping this will help relieve the age old question of "So.... how do i get started hacking on KDE?"`
`07:08.38`	`ritalin`	`a Blog IS a formal paper though`
`07:08.43`	`m0ns00n`	`morning`
`07:08.44`	`scrooge`	`lol`
`07:08.44`	`ritalin`	`I mean its published`
`07:08.53`	`scrooge`	`ritalin, memoris are also eh?`
`07:08.57`	`scrooge`	`memoirs?`
`07:08.59`	`aseigo`	`yeah, watch out for lauri .. she's our Mistress of Documentation. professional editor.`
`07:09.01`	`scrooge`	`sumtin like that`
`07:09.02`	`scrooge`	`lol`
`07:09.08`	`lauri`	`well, I prefer grammar dominatrix really, that whole nazi comparison is a bit tasteless and in any case overused`
`07:09.13`	`ritalin`	`its not like a AIM/IRC conversation`
`07:09.13`	`scrooge`	`LOL`
`07:09.19`	`aseigo`	`ritalin: and that's why i'm special. i do things a wee bit differently.`
`07:09.39`	`scrooge`	`sucks when other people tell u how to do things :/`
`07:09.40`	`aseigo`	`ooooh. .grammar dominatrix. ok, i vote for that one too.`
`07:10.02`	`lauri`	`didn't you know? I'm the documinatrix :)`
`07:10.05`	`ritalin`	`Well Im just giving you feedback as a reader, it was slightly annoying to read like that.`
`07:10.06`	`scrooge`	`haha`
`07:10.19`	`scrooge`	`ritalin, u felt stooped to low levels or sumtin?`
`07:10.25`	`scrooge`	`irc must uberly disgust u`
`07:10.28`	`scrooge`	`UBERLY`
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`07:10.30`	`lauri`	`it's coming in waves, but I am strong and have resisted so far`
`07:10.30`	`scrooge`	`:P`
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`07:10.45`	`aseigo`	`ritalin: it's cool =)`
`07:10.58`	`lauri`	`scrooge: actually, that 'u' crap totally annoys me`
`07:11.05`	`sredna`	`Hello folks :)`
`07:11.06`	`aseigo`	`ritalin: every once in a while someone posts that i should capitalize`
`07:11.16`	`aseigo`	`ritalin: and then someone else will post telling them to shut up.`
`07:11.18`	`aseigo`	`ritalin: it's fun.`
`07:11.19`	`scrooge`	`hey sredna`
`07:11.19`	`ritalin`	`heh`
`07:11.20`	`lauri`	`and people who ask questions in sms-speak, do not get answers or help from me`
`07:11.23`	`scrooge`	`lauri, BLAH lol`
`07:11.28`	`scrooge`	`lame`
`07:11.28`	`aseigo`	`ritalin: and yeah, i write all my emails like that too. ha!`
`07:11.33`	`ritalin`	`sms-speak lauri ?`
`07:11.40`	`aseigo`	`phone textig`
`07:11.40`	`scrooge`	`r u l8?`
`07:11.42`	`aseigo`	`texting`
`07:11.43`	`scrooge`	`haha`
`07:11.46`	`ritalin`	`ahh`
`07:12.20`	`eeanm`	`I do hate when people SMS on IRC. You have a full keyboard now, its not hard to use.`
`07:12.34`	`ritalin`	`Dont you get charged by the letter cell phone text messaging?/`
`07:12.39`	`scrooge`	`a telephone has the full alphabet`
`07:12.42`	`scrooge`	`wats the diff?`
`07:12.43`	`lauri`	`I mean, stuff like "sos can u hlep me, I doan get it LOL>ZORZ!!111!! OMG'`
`07:12.52`	`scrooge`	`lauri, lol`
`07:12.54`	`ritalin`	`heh`
`07:13.00`	`ritalin`	`I love !!111`
`07:13.01`	`ritalin`	`kills me`
`07:13.03`	`scrooge`	`ritalin, nah`
`07:13.03`	`lauri`	`scrooge: if you're here asking for help, and I know the answer`
`07:13.07`	`scrooge`	`160 letters used to be`
`07:13.14`	`scrooge`	`i have unlimiteds texts :P`
`07:13.17`	`lauri`	`it's to your benefit to make it possible for me to read it`
`07:13.28`	`scrooge`	`lauri, understood`
`07:13.34`	`ritalin`	`I dont have enough friends to get one`
`07:13.35`	`scrooge`	`ritalin, sadness :S`
`07:13.39`	`scrooge`	`eh heh`
`07:13.41`	`scrooge`	`wonder why >_>`
`07:13.48`	`aseigo`	`ritalin: maybe if you let them not use the shift key.`
`07:13.54`	`scrooge`	`:P`
`07:13.54`	`ritalin`	`:)`
`07:13.59`	`scrooge`	`shift = evil`
`07:14.05`	`scrooge`	`http://anticapslock.com`
`07:14.09`	`ritalin`	`I mean I have a small circle of good friends`
`07:14.09`	`lauri`	`I RECKON TOO`
`07:14.10`	`scrooge`	`app caps are evil`
`07:14.15`	`scrooge`	`^^all`
`07:14.19`	`ritalin`	`but im not very outgoing`
`07:14.25`	`scrooge`	`o.0`
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`07:14.32`	`scrooge`	`fooled me`
`07:14.33`	`ritalin`	`I dont know like 100's of people like some of my friends do`
`07:15.01`	`scrooge`	`tis better to have a small clique then a large group`
`07:15.06`	`eeanm`	`well, I don't like communicating via phone that much. thus a mobile wouldn't make much sense.`
`07:15.21`	`scrooge`	`u like typing eh?`
`07:15.31`	`eeanm`	`well, it sucks too`
`07:15.31`	`scrooge`	`irc is startying to scare me now`
`07:15.35`	`scrooge`	`mm-k`
`07:15.37`	`scrooge`	`:P`
`07:15.46`	`ritalin`	`Its not that i like typing it's that im addicted to the net`
`07:15.52`	`ritalin`	`and irc is fun`
`07:16.10`	`ritalin`	`I have to be "online" at least 6 hours a day`
`07:16.10`	`scrooge`	`french toast!!`
`07:16.23`	`scrooge`	`ritalin, jacked in to the matrix?`
`07:16.27`	`ritalin`	`werd`
`07:16.42`	`scrooge`	`:P`
`07:16.51`	`aseigo`	`scrooge: no, otherwise the bomb goes off`
`07:17.04`	`scrooge`	`ahh i see`
`07:17.06`	`aseigo`	`scrooge: it's like that movie Speed, only without jamie lee curtis and not as fast`
`07:17.13`	`scrooge`	`haha`
`07:17.27`	`aseigo`	`but certainly capital letters.`
`07:18.49`	`aseigo`	`hm. here's a "surprise": only 7.1% of people who visit my web site use IE.`
`07:19.06`	`aseigo`	`humourously that's still > 3x the number of people who use safari.`
`07:19.23`	`scrooge`	`heh`
`07:19.29`	`scrooge`	`most use konqui?`
`07:19.53`	`Tm_T`	`ff I bet`
`07:19.55`	`aseigo`	`44.5% firefox, 34.7% konqi`
`07:20.00`	`Tm_T`	`\o/`
`07:20.20`	`aseigo`	`58.7% linux, 31.4% windows, 3.5% mac`
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`07:20.24`	`scrooge`	`:P`
`07:22.02`	`aseigo`	`the rest looks normal though... 5.27GB .. ug..`
`07:22.04`	`scrooge`	`hey if i download a docbook for this women.kde.org tutorial, kdoc can read it?`
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`07:22.37`	`aseigo`	`that'd be one for laur`
`07:22.39`	`aseigo`	`i`
`07:22.49`	`scrooge`	`lauri, i didnt type in sms speak :)`
`07:25.33`	`m0ns00n`	`Why doesn't ever "keep password" work in password dialogues, I need to write in the username and password anyway.`
`07:25.36`	`lauri`	`what is kdoc?`
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`07:26.14`	`lauri`	`m0ns00n: I don't know. I can guess though`
`07:26.26`	`scrooge`	`wat is kdoc?? :O`
`07:26.36`	`lauri`	`do you have kwallet installed and enabled?`
`07:26.38`	`lauri`	`scrooge: yes, what is 'kdoc'`
`07:26.45`	`m0ns00n`	`lauri: Please do, I'm out of ideas :-D`
`07:26.45`	`scrooge`	`its in kdesdk`
`07:26.45`	`lauri`	`we have no such application`
`07:26.51`	`scrooge`	`really?`
`07:26.54`	`scrooge`	`wow`
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`07:27.09`	`lauri`	`oh`
`07:27.18`	`lauri`	`that is still there? I'm pretty sure it got removed`
`07:27.29`	`scrooge`	`heh`
`07:27.32`	`lauri`	`in any case it is for generating API documentation out of source files`
`07:27.37`	`scrooge`	`oh`
`07:27.39`	`lauri`	`so no, you can't read a docbook file in kdoc, even if you have it`
`07:28.07`	`lauri`	`you could just run 'meinproc name-of-docbook.docbook' and read the resulting html in konqueror though`
`07:28.20`	`scrooge`	`cool thanx`
`07:28.40`	`m0ns00n`	`sarah03: Internet Explorer can render PNGs with alpha channels`
`07:28.42`	`m0ns00n`	`:-)`
`07:28.52`	`scrooge`	`with hacks`
`07:28.55`	`m0ns00n`	`sarah03: Just have to do it with a simple hack`
`07:28.55`	`scrooge`	`pfft`
`07:28.58`	`m0ns00n`	`Simple hack`
`07:28.58`	`m0ns00n`	`:-)`
`07:29.00`	`scrooge`	`:P`
`07:29.09`	`m0ns00n`	`Just memorize it and it will go quick each time.`
`07:29.13`	`scrooge`	`i use some php and a 1x1 transparent gif image`
`07:29.18`	`sarah03`	`m0ns00n: Yeah. AlphaImageLoader(). Which is a bunch of bullshit.`
`07:29.26`	`scrooge`	`blahh never used that`
`07:29.27`	`m0ns00n`	`sarah03: How come?`
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`07:29.43`	`aseigo`	`sarah03: i really resonate with your vigor.`
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`07:30.52`	`m0ns00n`	`sarah03: It's pragmatically usable :-) And it lets you use div instead of img src, so what :-)`
`07:30.52`	`lauri`	`I'm thinking not so much`
`07:30.53`	`sarah03`	`m0ns00n: (1) .gif with transparency doesn't require such things, even though technically speaking the single transparent color that a transparent gif can have can be construed as a (very limited) alpha channel.`
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`07:31.16`	`m0ns00n`	`sarah03: Well, gif is not true color, gif has no real alpha, so it can't work for half transparancies`
`07:31.19`	`sarah03`	`(2) It's an ugly hack that ties you into doing shit specifically for the purpose of supporting IE.`
`07:31.29`	`m0ns00n`	`sarah03: That's true`
`07:31.30`	`m0ns00n`	`(2)`
`07:31.47`	`m0ns00n`	`sarah03: And I agree with that - but it's just like the **fW** cursor: hand;`
`07:31.52`	`sarah03`	`Technically speaking, no, .gif isn't true color, it's palletted color.`
`07:32.11`	`lauri`	`you can do some very interesting things with gif's and checkerboard transparencies`
`07:32.31`	`sarah03`	`It has a full 24-bit color space, you're just restricted to using no more than 256 colors at once.`
`07:32.39`	`m0ns00n`	`Always having to write css with "cursor: hand; cursor: pointer;" is shitty :-D I mean, css is the biggest problem with IE`
`07:32.51`	`lauri`	`(and it doesn't have to be XOXO checkerboards either)`
`07:33.43`	`lauri`	`sometimes technological restraints can lead you off in creative directions you'd have never found with more freedom`
`07:34.05`	`m0ns00n`	`Sure`
`07:34.12`	`m0ns00n`	`But still`
`07:34.19`	`sarah03`	`shrug I'm fighting GD2 somewhat in PHP. Was trying to get it to generate a .gif with transparency, and it would do it, but for a different color than was specified.`
`07:34.29`	`m0ns00n`	`Even mozilla / konqueror has some things missing - every browser has.`
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`07:35.27`	`sarah03`	`If I switch the output to .png instead, it works fine. But, since it's with transparency, I get the feeling that IE is going to choke all over it.`
`07:35.57`	`lauri`	`sarah03: how about the cheap option: generate it as a png, convert it to a .gif :)`
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`07:37.47`	`sarah03`	`shrug What the hell, it's not like I'm using too many colors for the .gif palette.`
`07:38.03`	`sredna`	`"#%&"#�% old computer`
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`07:41.34`	`ritalin`	`is it possible to have emacs style editing keys in Kate?`
`07:42.13`	`ritalin`	`I see alot of shortcuts you can custimize but none for like move forward one character`
`07:42.13`	`chakie`	`ritalin: you could redefine the keys of course...`
`07:42.14`	`lauri`	`yes`
`07:42.44`	`ritalin`	`Go to end of file etc...`
`07:42.48`	`lauri`	`http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=21706`
`07:42.59`	`faxed`	`hey does anyone know if there's any/how much KDE development gets done at Unversity of Munich?`
`07:43.00`	`chakie`	`lauri: nice`
`07:43.26`	`lauri`	`faxed: uhm, that's a bit of a hard question`
`07:43.37`	`aseigo`	`1.373%`
`07:43.40`	`faxed`	`lauri: why's that?`
`07:43.44`	`ritalin`	`lauri, slick`
`07:43.45`	`faxed`	`aseigo: =D`
`07:44.14`	`lauri`	`because there are people who might be at the university of munich, and may be doing development there, and may be students or staff there`
`07:44.17`	`lauri`	`does that count?`
`07:45.01`	`lauri`	`and there's people who used to be there, but aren't any more`
`07:45.08`	`lauri`	`and maybe even some who will be there next year, but are already KDE developers`
`07:45.29`	`faxed`	`yeah ok, my fault vague question`
`07:46.04`	`faxed`	`someone's wanting to give some hardware to KDE devs, and someone suggested Uni Munich might be a good place to give it to`
`07:47.39`	`faxed`	`unfortunately it's not that easy =D`
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`07:48.22`	`lauri`	`ok, I know why you got told that`
`07:48.30`	`faxed`	`it's gonna have to go to a uni or something, can't just get given to random developers - no matter how cool stuff they write`
`07:48.42`	`faxed`	`lauri: yeah?`
`07:48.52`	`lauri`	`how about to the KDE e.V.?`
`07:49.00`	`lauri`	`(ie 'to KDE')`
`07:49.15`	`faxed`	`yeah that's an idea`
`07:49.32`	`lauri`	`I suggest that then (do you need contact information?)`
`07:49.46`	`faxed`	`should be on kde.org right?`
`07:51.05`	`aseigo`	`it's a test.`
`07:51.14`	`aseigo`	`it's easier if you don't capitalize, though.`
`07:51.42`	`ritalin`	`;)`
`07:52.13`	`ritalin`	`anyone use kontact with gmail?`
`07:52.20`	`aseigo`	`seriously though, there's a good amount of work going on with kontact right now to make it more straightforward`
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`07:53.17`	`lippel_`	`ritalin: i use kmail+gmail`
`07:53.44`	`ritalin`	`kmail eh?`
`07:54.04`	`lippel`	`the mail part of kontact`
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`07:54.37`	`ritalin`	`o`
`07:55.03`	`ritalin`	`Its a toss up between kontact and evolution here`
`07:55.08`	`ritalin`	`im not sure which one i like better`
`07:55.16`	`faxed`	`cough kmail cough`
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`07:57.22`	`ritalin`	`I miss mail.app from OS X`
`07:58.09`	`faxed`	`what in particular? I've never used it - just simplicity?`
`07:58.18`	`ritalin`	`yeah its really simple`
`07:59.22`	`sredna`	`I've been using kmail allmost exclusively since last century, and it allways worked well, even I somtimes yell at it (and other kde pim parts). I briefly tried evolution and sylpheed, but neither was even near convincing me to switch.`
`07:59.35`	`faxed`	`yeah I agree with that - although the Qt bug that converts tabs to spaces is really annoying when sending patches`
`08:01.00`	`sredna`	`faxed: Attach!`
`08:01.24`	`faxed`	`sredna: not for LKML :(`
`08:01.32`	`sarah03`	`I tried evolution for a while way back when. It worked well enough for what it was - Yet Another Outlook Clone.`
`08:02.14`	`sredna`	`I allways found it tried to look like a million, but was only worth a cent :o`
`08:02.28`	`sarah03`	`Looking back on it, actually, it strikes me decidedly like it was Outlook implemented in GTK.`
`08:03.36`	`chakie`	`i used evolution while i was in a exchange-only place. it wasn't that bad`
`08:03.37`	`Tm_T`	`hm`
`08:03.43`	`sredna`	`Speaking of kontact - odes anyone know a easy way to extract data from ical? I'd like to extract appointments matching a category, and get their duration (or start/end times)`
`08:03.57`	`Tm_T`	`I use Thunderbird`
`08:04.29`	`sarah03`	`... pine has it's issues [primarily when dealing with 500M mail folders with 35,000 messages in them], but it's generally served me decently.`
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`08:05.07`	`ritalin`	`pine invented pico didnt it?`
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`08:05.10`	`aseigo`	`sredna: sredna: dunno if konsolekalendar would help you`
`08:05.16`	`ritalin`	`or rather pico was a feature of it`
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`08:05.18`	`sarah03`	`ritalin: Yes, pico came from pine.`
`08:05.27`	`sredna`	`aseigo: Interresting approach, I'll look at at that`
`08:05.32`	`ritalin`	`neat I like pico`
`08:05.33`	`sarah03`	`And nano cloned pico.`
`08:06.06`	`ritalin`	`neither can hang with ee :)`
`08:06.50`	`Tm_T`	`pine is great when using mail remotely`
`08:07.07`	`Tm_T`	`sarah03: =)`
`08:07.09`	`sredna`	`aseigo: I can get it to create a csv file, which I can then query using sql :-)`
`08:07.10`	`aseigo`	`sarah03: you trouble maker. =P`
`08:07.32`	`sredna`	`aseigo: I was actually looking for a cvs export in the GUI menu, but failed to find it`
`08:07.48`	`aseigo`	`hooray for konsolekalendar`
`08:07.53`	`sredna`	`Yep :)`
`08:08.32`	`sredna`	`.. and good old perl, which has a sql driver for csv files`
`08:08.56`	`ritalin`	`you guys ever try ruby?`
`08:09.03`	`ritalin`	`Im learning some now`
`08:09.05`	`sredna`	`Maybe ruby or python does too`
`08:09.20`	`aseigo`	`ruby kicks ass`
`08:09.30`	`sredna`	`ritalin: I wrote a file renamer in ruby recently, using korundum, to try it`
`08:09.35`	`sredna`	`It's really a nice language`
`08:09.36`	`aseigo`	`sarah03: ha! indeed.`
`08:09.38`	`aseigo`	`kde is filthy with rubyites`
`08:09.50`	`ritalin`	`thats why im so smitten with kate, the built in konsole is great for checking if my scripts work`
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`08:10.06`	`aseigo`	`probably more rubyites than pyhtonians, actually`
`08:10.10`	`sredna`	`He, the checker is one shortcoming of ruby`
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`08:10.35`	`sredna`	`F.N?`
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`08:10.40`	`aseigo`	`finding neverland.`
`08:10.42`	`sredna`	`Yay, slayerbob`
`08:10.44`	`aseigo`	`marvelously written.`
`08:10.49`	`sarah03`	`_aseigo: I don't really see all that many people who tell me that Python is great. Ruby, on the other hand...`
`08:10.54`	`slayerbob`	`yay ?`
`08:10.58`	`sredna`	`Or hey`
`08:11.02`	`sredna`	`Make a pick`
`08:11.28`	`faxed`	`sarah03: Python is great ;D`
`08:11.41`	`aseigo`	`sarah03: that's because python is boring. ruby is exciting. it inspires joy. python is just another c like language`
`08:11.41`	`sredna`	`aseigo: How far is Tenor from a first pre-alpha?`
`08:11.53`	`aseigo`	`sredna: a week?`
`08:11.59`	`ritalin`	`thunderbird looks alot like mail.app`
`08:12.01`	`sredna`	`Wow :)`
`08:12.06`	`aseigo`	`sredna: we can make nodes, links, link properties, retrieve them.`
`08:12.06`	`sarah03`	`_aseigo: Another C-ish language without the braces.`
`08:12.17`	`aseigo`	`sredna: still tons and tons to do, but ...`
`08:12.37`	`sredna`	`aseigo: Now, tell me that Tenor will be GUI independant, so that it can replace slocate`
`08:12.38`	`aseigo`	`sarah03: yeah, i hate that. whitespace gropuing is such a fucking stupid idea.`
`08:12.52`	`sredna`	`aseigo: Or rather, be base for a app that can`
`08:13.08`	`sarah03`	`Whitespace is good. Enforced whitespace is Bad <tm>.`
`08:13.13`	`aseigo`	`in fact, i love it that Intro to Algos has a footnote saying whitespace grouping is bad.`
`08:13.18`	`aseigo`	`sarah03: agreed.`
`08:13.30`	`aseigo`	`(as a language element, that is)`
`08:13.49`	`sredna`	`Remember the whitespace language?`
`08:13.50`	`aseigo`	`sredna: yes... the GUI rides on top of it.. it's a set of libraries.`
`08:14.14`	`aseigo`	`sredna: the core will probably rely on qt-core and that's about it`
`08:14.36`	`sredna`	`aseigo: So, it should be easy to create a locate replacement benefitting on the dynamiccally maintained database`
`08:14.37`	`sarah03`	`sredna: Heh. You might as well write BF.`
`08:14.44`	`aseigo`	`sredna: correct.`
`08:14.54`	`sredna`	`Cool :)`
`08:15.05`	`sredna`	`I'm tired of the amount of time updatedb takes`
`08:15.43`	`aseigo`	`i think we all are =)`
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`08:17.48`	`ritalin`	`Whats a good kde ftp client?`
`08:17.57`	`ritalin`	`I dont like how konq does it`
`08:17.57`	`sarah03`	`ritalin: Konqueror`
`08:18.00`	`sarah03`	`Oh.`
`08:18.23`	`ritalin`	`I guess im looking for a midnight commander style gui with drag n drop`
`08:18.30`	`sarah03`	`Keep in mind that anything that uses kio can just directly open an ftp:// url, too.`
`08:18.39`	`ritalin`	`really?`
`08:18.42`	`ritalin`	`dang`
`08:19.04`	`ritalin`	`so kate can edit files via ftp like that?/`
`08:19.08`	`sarah03`	`Yes.`
`08:19.09`	`aseigo`	`yes`
`08:19.13`	`ritalin`	`!`
`08:19.16`	`ritalin`	`thats bad ass`
`08:19.20`	`aseigo`	`that's kde`
`08:19.35`	`sarah03`	`Alsp... if you want a split view, you can go Window->Split View [Left/Right\|Top/Bottom]`
`08:19.45`	`sarah03`	`And navigate to different places in both views.`
`08:19.54`	`ritalin`	`sorry this is like my second day on 3.4`
`08:19.59`	`faxed`	`ritalin: be warned, once you're used to it you'll never be able to go without it`
`08:20.30`	`sredna`	`ritalin: You can open a file from any URL with most KDE apps`
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`08:21.09`	`ritalin`	`anything like visual studio for developing apps in ruby?`
`08:21.41`	`ritalin`	`Im a vb.net student in school but plan on continuing programming after the class is over`
`08:22.04`	`ritalin`	`I loathe windows though but was looking for something like vs for banging out gui apps`
`08:22.16`	`sredna`	`I dont' know if kdevelop has ruby support. But you can design your forms in qt designer, run the xml file through rbuic and import them into a script very easily`
`08:22.36`	`ritalin`	`Doesnt qt designer cost money?`
`08:22.39`	`sarah03`	`No.`
`08:22.43`	`sredna`	`You just need to install korundum`
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`08:22.51`	`sredna`	`You probably have it, if you installed qt`
`08:22.52`	`sarah03`	`Qt Designer comes with Qt.`
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`08:24.09`	`PEACEYALL`	`sup all`
`08:24.54`	`PEACEYALL`	`in gnome when i mount something , it makes an icon on the desktop but when im on kde and i mount somethign , it doesnt , is tehre an option to automatically create an icon on mount??`
`08:25.02`	`ritalin`	`command to launch qt-designer?`
`08:26.05`	`sarah03`	`ritalin: designer`
`08:26.11`	`ritalin`	`ty`
`08:26.13`	`sarah03`	`:)`
`08:27.27`	`ritalin`	`hmm dont have it`
`08:27.38`	`ritalin`	`kdevelop looks neat`
`08:29.58`	`sredna`	`ritalin: On some systems, you need to install qt-devel`
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`08:34.15`	`canllaith`	`Ullo tuxxee`
`08:34.46`	`tuxxee`	`ello canllaith :)`
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`08:35.52`	`tuxxee`	`Is your flu going yet?`
`08:36.55`	`scrooge`	`flu!?`
`08:36.55`	`scrooge`	`OMG`
`08:38.04`	`canllaith`	`tuxxee, I feel a little better today`
`08:38.17`	`canllaith`	`I'm tucked up on the couch watching slayerbob & brucehoult go through old computer bits and talk about them`
`08:38.24`	`tuxxee`	`canllaith, good to hear`
`08:38.28`	`tuxxee`	`ahh ok`
`08:38.28`	`canllaith`	`Amusement to be had by all =)`
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`08:40.33`	`sarah03`	`Old computer bits, huh? I've got lots of those.`
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`08:40.54`	`scrooge`	`i kept the bytes, figured bits would be worth nothing`
`08:40.58`	`scrooge`	`have some nibbles tho`
`08:42.01`	`canllaith`	`I think between the three of us we could put together a state of the art video editing lab`
`08:42.06`	`canllaith`	`....... from 1989`
`08:42.23`	`tuxxee`	`Sounds pretty neat`
`08:42.29`	`canllaith`	`It's handy to have all this crap around`
`08:42.38`	`canllaith`	`the 7 odd machines over 1GHz are the ones I'm mostly interested in.`
`08:42.49`	`canllaith`	`Well, and the > 500MHz laptops`
`08:43.04`	`ritalin`	`qt-designer is kick ass`
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`08:43.30`	`askie`	`Any akregator-knowledgeables around?`
`08:43.46`	`lippel`	`askie: i hope so`
`08:44.18`	`askie`	`Got a strange bug, and like to get some tips before I report.`
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`08:44.56`	`paines`	`hi`
`08:45.42`	`lippel`	`canllaith: indeed :)`
`08:45.46`	`canllaith`	`;)`
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`08:46.36`	`lippel`	`canllaith: fixed you flu? ;-)`
`08:47.03`	`canllaith`	`lippel, feeling a little better. I am staying all warm on the couch and making the boys bring me drinks and food ;)`
`08:47.13`	`canllaith`	`Perhaps I might cough be sick a few more days and enjoy it`
`08:47.15`	`slayerbob`	`we bringing you food and drinks ?`
`08:47.23`	`canllaith`	`Yup.`
`08:47.34`	`tuxxee`	`kde-look took more than a few hours for sure :-P`
`08:47.40`	`tuxxee`	`Hi bob`
`08:47.48`	`sredna`	`Hi canllaith`
`08:47.55`	`canllaith`	`Heya sredna :)`
`08:48.02`	`sredna`	`Did you try using the XML tools with the new positioning?`
`08:48.58`	`canllaith`	`No not yet, almost`
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`08:49.00`	`canllaith`	`I slept :)`
`08:49.01`	`sredna`	`~order chicken soup for canllaith`
`08:49.26`	`sredna`	`Hm, wrong bot`
`08:49.34`	`canllaith`	`:O`
`08:49.40`	`canllaith`	`Session chooser?`
`08:49.50`	`canllaith`	`I have not seen this before.`
`08:50.01`	`sredna`	`Nope, it is something that cullmann is working on`
`08:50.12`	`sredna`	`The idea is to let you have named sessions`
`08:50.24`	`canllaith`	`and chicken soup would be wonnnnnnderful :)`
`08:50.40`	`canllaith`	`It sucks being sick around men who cannot cook. If I want tasty delicacies I need to get up and make them myself :(`
`08:50.45`	`sredna`	`When we are done, it should not be mandatory, it should be possible to allways stick to a default`
`08:50.47`	`slayerbob`	`hey i can cook`
`08:50.58`	`slayerbob`	`what would you like cooked ?`
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`08:51.00`	`canllaith`	`slayerbob, I want mushroom & thyme soup.`
`08:51.05`	`slayerbob`	`although is not my kitchen :(`
`08:51.12`	`slayerbob`	`i could make mushroom and thyme soup`
`08:51.15`	`canllaith`	`erm`
`08:51.18`	`slayerbob`	`our thyme is in the car`
`08:51.22`	`slayerbob`	`and our pots`
`08:51.28`	`slayerbob`	`would have to go and get the mushrooms`
`08:51.31`	`canllaith`	`P`
`08:51.32`	`canllaith`	`:P`
`08:51.40`	`canllaith`	`Do you think you could make it if I gave you vague instructions?`
`08:51.45`	`canllaith`	`Bruce will refuse to eat any`
`08:51.47`	`slayerbob`	`sure`
`08:51.55`	`slayerbob`	`i would have to go and get mushrooms though`
`08:52.00`	`slayerbob`	`which i'd better do now if you want some`
`08:52.13`	`slayerbob`	`cos i don't know where the 24 hour supermarkets are yet`
`08:52.23`	`slayerbob`	`although no doubt i will know where they all are within a week :P`
`08:52.33`	`canllaith`	`Erm sredna it's not popping up anything for me at all`
`08:52.58`	`canllaith`	`ok`
`08:52.59`	`sarah03`	`I know where a 24-hour supermarket is, but I'm pretty sure there's many more that are far closer to you than I am.`
`08:53.01`	`sredna`	`canllaith: You still need to assign a DTD`
`08:53.05`	`canllaith`	`sredna, i did :(`
`08:53.08`	`canllaith`	`ok I got it to do something`
`08:53.10`	`sredna`	`Hm`
`08:53.16`	`canllaith`	`but it's still doing <para\|></para>`
`08:53.18`	`canllaith`	`cursor is \|`
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`08:53.41`	`sredna`	`Hm, and you did update, from cvs.kde.org?`
`08:53.42`	`canllaith`	`oh hang on`
`08:53.50`	`canllaith`	`I grabbed the wrong package`
`08:53.53`	`sredna`	`He`
`08:53.57`	`canllaith`	`( I build this on the athlon then install on the pentium)`
`08:54.04`	`canllaith`	`I copy over the one I made of kdeaddons and not kdebase ;)`
`08:54.10`	`sredna`	`Ah :)`
`08:55.46`	`sredna`	`I'm going to take over the plugin and do a few more enhancements, mainly only load DTDs once as long as they are in use`
`08:56.02`	`sredna`	`Since daniel does not want to maintain it`
`09:03.25`	`brucehoult`	`canllaith: Well, and the > 500MHz laptops`
`09:03.37`	`brucehoult`	`you dissing my 266 MHz laptop then?`
`09:04.03`	`brucehoult`	`it's got you interested enough to want a Mac for yourself :-)`
`09:04.12`	`canllaith`	`:P It's too slow`
`09:04.22`	`brucehoult`	`slayerbob: there's a 24 hour supermarket less than 1.5 km away`
`09:04.46`	`slayerbob`	`:D`
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`09:05.26`	`canllaith`	`sredna, perfect! I am very pleased :)`
`09:05.37`	`sredna`	`canllaith: Cool :)`
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`09:06.32`	`sredna`	`canllaith: Now, after working with it some time, we can think if we can enhance the alegoritm, but I think it's pretty good for common document types`
`09:07.06`	`canllaith`	`Yep, I think it will be nice for my docbook :)`
`09:07.57`	`sredna`	`It works fine for kates language too, and I think for smlgui as well`
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`09:08.41`	`canllaith`	`Night sarah03 :) sleep well`
`09:09.00`	`sarah03`	`:) nn`
`09:09.09`	`sredna`	`I conseder insrting a space when placing the cursor inside the tag and autopopping the attribute completion, since it's now very likely that there is a required attribute`
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`09:10.23`	`ptifeth`	`hellow`
`09:10.37`	`sredna`	`Wb`
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`09:13.02`	`megan`	`hey i have a gentoo distro and when i try to compile the latest kde components it fails and comes up with all these errors, can anyone help me out?`
`09:13.32`	`canllaith`	`You'd be much better to ask other gentoo users.`
`09:13.51`	`canllaith`	`The way they put together their KDE has nothing to do with us.`
`09:14.10`	`megan`	`damn they all had no idea either:(`
`09:14.15`	`megan`	`oh well thanks anyway`
`09:14.17`	`canllaith`	`lol`
`09:14.19`	`sredna`	`megan: If you get errors using ebuilds, you should yell at gentoo`
`09:14.32`	`canllaith`	`Well, you can put the errors on a pastebin and link us. Who knows, maybe it's something simple`
`09:14.35`	`megan`	`heh i tried that and got kicked:/`
`09:14.42`	`canllaith`	`there is a very good chance only someone who knows the ins and outs of Gentoo can really help though`
`09:14.47`	`megan`	`well where can i paste it?`
`09:14.51`	`sredna`	`megan: On the other hand, if you downloaded the source and get errors, we might be able to help you`
`09:14.52`	`canllaith`	`Read the topic? :)`
`09:15.07`	`sredna`	`~pastebin`
`09:15.10`	`apt`	`well, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca`
`09:15.30`	`megan`	`ok thanks:)`
`09:15.41`	`canllaith`	`Reading the topic on entry is an important act of self preservation in most IRC channels:P`
`09:16.23`	`megan`	`haha yeah i never seem to remember that`
`09:16.34`	`megan`	`ok its in that ppastebin`
`09:16.44`	`sredna`	`Paste the URL please`
`09:16.59`	`megan`	`http://pastebin.ca/9524`
`09:17.50`	`canllaith`	`Why are you trying to install kde 3.3.2-r7 ?`
`09:18.09`	`megan`	`hmm cos its the latest supported for x86`
`09:18.28`	`canllaith`	`I'd be very very surprised if that was true.`
`09:18.36`	`sredna`	`They do have builds for 3.4`
`09:18.39`	`megan`	`it tis`
`09:18.42`	`sredna`	`And you should get them`
`09:19.00`	`sredna`	`It's the new meta stuff`
`09:19.14`	`megan`	`not for gentoo:/`
`09:19.16`	`canllaith`	`kdebase-meta iirc`
`09:19.18`	`canllaith`	`Yes, for gentoo.`
`09:19.21`	`scrooge`	`??`
`09:19.23`	`scrooge`	`gentoo?`
`09:19.24`	`scrooge`	`sup?`
`09:19.25`	`canllaith`	`There are 3.4 ebuilds for gentoo.`
`09:19.35`	`sredna`	`megan: Do '/list #gentoo-kde'`
`09:19.40`	`scrooge`	`rofl`
`09:19.51`	`scrooge`	`kde-3.4 is ~x86`
`09:20.11`	`megan`	`list #gentoo-kde`
`09:20.15`	`megan`	`haha oops`
`09:20.18`	`sredna`	`The slash :o`
`09:20.22`	`scrooge`	`blah just join :P`
`09:20.36`	`megan`	`hehe yeah my bad:P`
`09:20.41`	`scrooge`	`:P`
`09:20.44`	`scrooge`	`w00t a customer!`
`09:20.52`	`megan`	`haha`
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`09:49.42`	`CyberShadow`	`How do I disable the new "pretty" hints for K Menu, Show Desktop etc.? "Show tooltips" in the panel config disables the small yellow ones for other KPanel stuff!`
`09:51.16`	`CyberShadow`	`Found it - "Enable icon mouse-over effects". But that sounds like it should toggle something else!`
`09:53.07`	`tuxxee`	`CyberShadow, well it does ;-) the new pretty hint panels ...`
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`09:57.23`	`kypor`	`hello`
`10:00.10`	`sredna`	`Hi`
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`10:04.36`	`kypor`	`If I change my resolution from 1280x1024 to anything smaller, KDE3.4 goes to a smaller window, using black space to fill ... is there a way to change that?`
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`10:05.43`	`scrooge`	`change the resolution in xorg.conf?`
`10:06.41`	`kypor`	`tried that yes, but aparently that has nothing to do with the actual setting in KDE's Desktop`
`10:07.01`	`kypor`	`KDE uses that as your options`
`10:07.05`	`lauri`	`is this an lcd?`
`10:07.12`	`lauri`	`some laptops do that`
`10:07.16`	`kypor`	`no, 17" CRT`
`10:07.21`	`lauri`	`and persuading them not to is pretty damn hard`
`10:07.30`	`scrooge`	`lol lies, mines has a bios setting`
`10:07.35`	`lauri`	`KDE has no settings internally to change resolution though`
`10:07.36`	`kypor`	`hehe, wouldn't doubt it`
`10:07.50`	`scrooge`	`kypor, did u change xorg.conf and restart X?`
`10:07.50`	`lauri`	`scrooge: right, so if yours has, they all must`
`10:08.03`	`scrooge`	`lauri, all the ones i have seen has`
`10:08.08`	`scrooge`	`dells, compaqs, mines a sony`
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`10:08.16`	`scrooge`	`but ok...`
`10:08.32`	`lauri`	`kypor: you can change resolution from within KDE with the r&r in kcontrol, but that only tells X to change its resolution anyway`
`10:08.41`	`lauri`	`KDE itself doesn't do it`
`10:09.25`	`kypor`	`hmmm ... well, when I tried to change the xorg.conf to default 8 with resolution 800x600, and the resolution I guess does that, but, it becomes a small window in the top left corner, filling the rest of the screen in black`
`10:09.35`	`lauri`	`scrooge: they don't always, I've met plenty that don't automatically switch at resolution change (or do graphics full screen, and text mode in only one bit of it)`
`10:09.52`	`lauri`	`kypor: do you have some viewport settings, or something like that`
`10:10.02`	`scrooge`	`i never said automatically, just a bios option to turn on or off :S`
`10:10.17`	`kypor`	`viewport in xorg.conf?`
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`10:11.11`	`kypor`	`no, viewport is 0 0`
`10:11.19`	`scrooge`	`default res is?`
`10:11.23`	`scrooge`	`erhm`
`10:11.27`	`scrooge`	`default depth`
`10:11.36`	`kypor`	`24`
`10:11.49`	`kypor`	`tried 8 even .. didn't help`
`10:13.13`	`lauri`	`I'd be tempted to start over`
`10:13.33`	`lauri`	`X -configure, add the default depth, uncomment the size in mm if it added it`
`10:13.35`	`lauri`	`see how you go`
`10:13.43`	`lauri`	`then compare with your old config`
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`10:18.12`	`PhilRod`	`could someone revert the topic?`
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`10:18.23`	`PhilRod`	`or at least chop that end bit off`
`10:18.33`	`scrooge`	`heh`
`10:18.37`	`*** topic/#kde by PhilRod -> KDE 3.4 released \| KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/ - the answer to your question might already be here! \| Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste \| If you've just upgraded using Konstruct and have strange colours and symbols everywhere, check $QTDIR !`
`10:18.47`	`PhilRod`	`aha, that works`
`10:18.50`	`scrooge`	`:P`
`10:23.27`	`canllaith`	`What happened with the topic now? :P`
`10:23.30`	`canllaith`	`Heya lauri , PhilRod`
`10:24.20`	`scrooge`	`dam mono bashers!`
`10:25.03`	`PhilRod`	`morning canllaith`
`10:25.08`	`canllaith`	`:) How you goin ?`
`10:25.30`	`PhilRod`	`not so bad - just had breakfast, and it's, um, 11:25`
`10:25.34`	`canllaith`	`heh`
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`10:26.15`	`PhilRod`	`we should rename planet kde to "planet aseigo"`
`10:26.25`	`PhilRod`	`or "planet aseigo and friends" or something`
`10:26.31`	`megan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:26.37`	`canllaith`	`lol he's pretty verbose`
`10:26.47`	`canllaith`	`I'm in New Zealand :)`
`10:27.23`	`PhilRod`	`megan: UK`
`10:27.47`	`megan`	`ahh ok`
`10:28.38`	`megan`	`hey so anybody know the advantages of kde over enlightenment?`
`10:29.02`	`lauri`	`kde has releases a couple of times a year, instead of a couple of times a decade`
`10:29.16`	`canllaith`	`One is a DE including a wide range of development, graphics, multimedia, educational and other applications`
`10:29.16`	`lauri`	`you can't ask that question in a channel full of kde developers and users`
`10:29.19`	`canllaith`	`One is a window manager.`
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`10:29.25`	`megan`	`hehe oh no windows!!!`
`10:29.37`	`megan`	`why oh why would u use that!!!`
`10:29.49`	`megan`	`and so true, thought id just see what u all did:P`
`10:30.18`	`lauri`	`well, I hate to break it to you, but you're not the first person to think up that idea to come annoy us`
`10:30.26`	`lauri`	`you're probably not even the first today`
`10:30.39`	`megan`	`im not annoying, just wondering which i should stick with`
`10:30.39`	`canllaith`	`2 already :)`
`10:30.42`	`megan`	`haha`
`10:30.52`	`canllaith`	`Only you can answer that. They're both free, install them both and play with them and decide which you like best`
`10:30.57`	`canllaith`	`(Yes, I have that hotkeyed now :)`
`10:31.24`	`megan`	`haha very nice:) yeah i have them both, and kde is heaps easier but it keeps stuffing up on me:(`
`10:31.24`	`lauri`	`heh`
`10:31.51`	`canllaith`	`How strange. Just grabbed kdeplayground-artwork/plastik2`
`10:31.59`	`canllaith`	`'no rule to make target all'`
`10:32.02`	`megan`	`hey is there a different sound plugin other than arts that i can use for xxms? cos alsa wont work`
`10:32.18`	`PhilRod`	`well, if you have a particular kde problem, tell us and we'll see if we can help`
`10:33.08`	`megan`	`ya thanks, seems little things like arts stuffing up or the kicker crashing tho, that sorta fix themselves after another login but it gets annoying`
`10:33.24`	`scrooge`	`<canllaith> (Yes, I have that hotkeyed now :) <-------also hotkeyyed?`
`10:33.25`	`scrooge`	`:P`
`10:33.34`	`PhilRod`	`megan: well, if arts is using your sound device, then xmms can't access it via alsa, so you'll need to use arts`
`10:33.37`	`canllaith`	`Actually, I'm just such an irc addict I type 120 wpm now.`
`10:33.43`	`scrooge`	`:O`
`10:33.50`	`PhilRod`	`I keep meaning to hotkey things`
`10:34.01`	`PhilRod`	`I wonder if there's an easy way to do it with xchat`
`10:34.16`	`scrooge`	`of course!`
`10:34.19`	`scrooge`	`alias`
`10:34.22`	`megan`	`hmm ok but i can use alsa out of kde, in a terminal for example, just not when im in kde for some reason`
`10:34.25`	`PhilRod`	`megan: but what do you mean "arts stuffing up"?`
`10:34.40`	`canllaith`	`Because`
`10:34.40`	`PhilRod`	`megan: are you familiar with how arts works?`
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`10:34.46`	`canllaith`	`Only one program can access your sound card at once megan`
`10:35.03`	`canllaith`	`So when you log into KDE, arts grabs your sound card.`
`10:35.05`	`scrooge`	`unless u use dmix v00d00`
`10:35.08`	`PhilRod`	`I mean, artsd is a sound server that takes the sound device, so other programs can't access it`
`10:35.13`	`megan`	`hmm not particularly, but at least once every two weeks, it will just say sound device error etc`
`10:35.13`	`scrooge`	`like me :D`
`10:35.20`	`lauri`	`or an operating system that knows how to handle that`
`10:35.20`	`canllaith`	`So you want to make all your sound apps use arts.`
`10:35.26`	`scrooge`	`windows?`
`10:35.29`	`scrooge`	`cough`
`10:35.40`	`lauri`	`FreeBSD actually`
`10:35.51`	`scrooge`	`freebsd??`
`10:35.51`	`canllaith`	`lol`
`10:36.01`	`canllaith`	`Darwin BSD =p`
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`10:36.08`	`lauri`	`oh I'm not helping, you do it phil (I know nada about linux or alsa stuff :)`
`10:36.12`	`canllaith`	`Linux works fine too, really. Sound much better than it used to be`
`10:36.16`	`lauri`	`yeah, that can probably do it too`
`10:36.20`	`canllaith`	`megan, So basically you need to a: Get alsa plugin for xmms`
`10:36.24`	`lauri`	`so I've heard`
`10:36.25`	`canllaith`	`fuck`
`10:36.26`	`canllaith`	`arts I mean`
`10:36.31`	`canllaith`	`Or use a KDE multimedia player`
`10:36.39`	`megan`	`i have but it doesnt work`
`10:36.43`	`canllaith`	`That's the easiest solution. Just use all KDE apps, they'll share your sound card happily through arts.`
`10:37.18`	`PhilRod`	`I second that - try juk and amarok, which are both very popular, and give you some of the wonderful advantages of KDE integration`
`10:37.35`	`megan`	`hehe`
`10:37.44`	`slayerbob`	`:P`
`10:37.57`	`lauri`	`bragging`
`10:38.00`	`lauri`	`:)`
`10:38.06`	`canllaith`	`'We'll never survive!"`
`10:38.14`	`canllaith`	`"nonsense. You're only saying that because no-one ever has"`
`10:38.20`	`megan`	`hahha`
`10:38.20`	`PhilRod`	`(anyone got a "now playing" plugin to show off the kde integration?)`
`10:38.49`	`canllaith`	`crap. Not on xchat I don't =p`
`10:38.56`	`megan`	`heh`
`10:38.59`	`lauri`	`I have no idea if I do`
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`10:39.08`	`lauri`	`does konvi come with one?`
`10:39.12`	`canllaith`	`If you use konvi, try typing /media`
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`10:39.43`	`canllaith`	`Which remind me I updated today.`
`10:39.45`	`lauri`	`ohhh`
`10:39.55`	`lauri`	`neat`
`10:40.03`	`lauri`	`I can be insanely annoying with that`
`10:40.06`	`canllaith`	`grooooooooooooowl`
`10:40.10`	`scrooge`	`o.0`
`10:40.10`	`canllaith`	make[1]: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop.
`10:40.17`	`lauri`	`and I don't even like this song`
`10:40.26`	`canllaith`	`Plastik is for some strange reason completely broken for me :(`
`10:40.35`	`canllaith`	`Weird rendering problems with the windeco`
`10:40.37`	`lauri`	`plastik? in kdebase?`
`10:40.40`	`canllaith`	`Yes`
`10:40.42`	`Callipygous`	`plastik window decor is about as ugly as ass`
`10:40.51`	`canllaith`	`That's oh so relevant, thank's for that.`
`10:40.53`	`canllaith`	`thanks*`
`10:40.54`	`Callipygous`	`smidge better than kickermik`
`10:41.13`	`canllaith`	`lauri, for a while now I've had weird rendering bugs on a few KDE things.... just my crap graphics chipset I'm assuming`
`10:41.16`	`PhilRod`	`that reminds me of one of my big wishes for KDE 4 - documentation of dcop calls`
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`10:41.29`	`canllaith`	`usually stuff I don't use so I don't care (background wallpaper on konqi file manager windows for example)`
`10:41.37`	`lauri`	`canllaith: I can't use svg icon sets`
`10:41.38`	`PhilRod`	`some doxygen-like way of doing it, so that coders will actually write them`
`10:41.39`	`canllaith`	`But as of the last 2 weeks I've had weird glitches in plastik too :(`
`10:41.44`	`canllaith`	`Which sucks ass since it's the default`
`10:41.45`	`lauri`	`it makes Qt crash on exit in opengl stuff`
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`10:42.33`	`Callipygous`	`what graphics card?`
`10:43.54`	`covux`	`hi. i have a prob with the new logitech mouse feature in kde 3.4 (debian sid unofficial alioth-packages) i can set the sensor resolution to 800 cpi but after reboot its back to 400. thanks for any ideas`
`10:43.55`	`canllaith`	`lauri, http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/plastik.png`
`10:44.09`	`canllaith`	`I believe`
`10:44.40`	`canllaith`	`That's my graphics card and not actually anything wrong with the windeco. I think so anyway`
`10:45.38`	`Callipygous`	`what card?????`
`10:45.56`	`PhilRod`	`covux: where did you change that setting? I don't see an option for it in kcontrol`
`10:46.40`	`covux`	`under peripherals->mouse-><ure logitechmouse> Optical Mouse`
`10:46.57`	`canllaith`	`I thought that was disabled by default atm, being pretty betaish`
`10:47.30`	`Callipygous`	`I know, the card you are using has problems with accelleration, there is a patch avilable for the drivers`
`10:47.39`	`canllaith`	`erm ?`
`10:47.42`	`canllaith`	`How do you know this?`
`10:47.52`	`scrooge`	`psychic`
`10:47.54`	`scrooge`	`:O`
`10:48.14`	`Callipygous`	`yes, I am psychic, since you didn't supply any information about the card, I used my psychic powers`
`10:48.22`	`canllaith`	`I don't need your help, thank you anyway.`
`10:48.28`	`scrooge`	`ROFL`
`10:48.30`	`scrooge`	`owned`
`10:48.38`	`Callipygous`	`:P`
`10:48.47`	`canllaith`	`NM256ZX`
`10:48.52`	`canllaith`	`I sincerely doubt you've had much to do with them.`
`10:48.59`	`scrooge`	`?`
`10:49.02`	`scrooge`	`license [plate?`
`10:49.04`	`scrooge`	`-[`
`10:49.08`	`canllaith`	`hehehe`
`10:49.10`	`scrooge`	`lol`
`10:49.11`	`scrooge`	`:S`
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`10:54.07`	`PhilRod`	`so if I choose BSOD, does your machine reboot to windows and bluescreen?`
`10:54.22`	`slayerbob`	`LOL PhilRod`
`10:54.31`	`scrooge`	`OS: WinXP Home Edition 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600)`
`10:54.32`	`scrooge`	`:P`
`10:54.35`	`scrooge`	`too late for former`
`10:54.40`	`scrooge`	`latter never happens either`
`10:54.58`	`slayerbob`	`windows can reboot to windows :)`
`10:55.13`	`PhilRod`	`get videolan client - I managed to get that to bluescreen winxp once`
`10:55.21`	`scrooge`	`lol`
`10:55.30`	`slayerbob`	`faulty ram is good for making it bluescreen too :P`
`10:55.34`	`scrooge`	`i hav all my pr0n on localhost kthx ^_^`
`10:57.25`	`scrooge`	`videolan client`
`10:57.28`	`scrooge`	`VIDEOS`
`10:57.30`	`scrooge`	`gahh`
`10:57.31`	`scrooge`	`nevermind`
`10:57.45`	`scrooge`	`no scooby snack tho ^_^`
`10:58.13`	`scrooge`	`>_>`
`10:58.20`	`scrooge`	`aww man`
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`11:05.35`	`scrooge`	`death`
`11:05.42`	`slayerbob`	`death ?`
`11:05.52`	`scrooge`	`n0d`
`11:05.55`	`scrooge`	`channel died`
`11:05.59`	`scrooge`	`need resussitation`
`11:06.08`	`slayerbob`	`oh right :P`
`11:06.12`	`scrooge`	`lol`
`11:06.15`	`scrooge`	`OMG BURN`
`11:06.20`	`scrooge`	`mmm, brb...f00d`
`11:06.43`	`scrooge`	`anyone kow how to make french toast from scratch?`
`11:06.50`	`slayerbob`	`sure`
`11:06.55`	`scrooge`	`toast and eggs but iunno how to put them together :S`
`11:06.58`	`slayerbob`	`lol`
`11:07.09`	`scrooge`	`:)`
`11:07.10`	`scrooge`	`haha`
`11:07.14`	`slayerbob`	`mix up the eggs in a bowl with some milk, grated cheese and cracked pepper`
`11:07.23`	`slayerbob`	`then soak the bread in the mix`
`11:07.27`	`scrooge`	`ahhhh`
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`11:07.31`	`slayerbob`	`then toast :)`
`11:07.34`	`scrooge`	`cool`
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`11:07.37`	`scrooge`	`gonna try it :D`
`11:07.38`	`scrooge`	`brb`
`11:07.40`	`slayerbob`	`probably you will have to toast in a frying pan`
`11:07.44`	`scrooge`	`k`
`11:07.44`	`scrooge`	`lol`
`11:07.50`	`slayerbob`	`since it will be too soggy for a toaster :P`
`11:07.55`	`scrooge`	`yea :P`
`11:08.10`	`slayerbob`	`let us know how it turns out :P`
`11:08.18`	`scrooge`	`of course ^_^`
`11:08.19`	`slayerbob`	`it is a good few years since i made french toast :P`
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`11:08.33`	`scrooge`	`hehehe`
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`11:14.55`	`chenz`	`anyone familiar with a condition where no KDE programs can connect to the internet?`
`11:15.40`	`Callipygous`	`its called konstipation`
`11:15.53`	`chenz`	`firefox. xchat work while konqueror, akregator, kopete freeze on startup`
`11:16.10`	`Callipygous`	`firefox and xchat aren't kde programs`
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`11:16.41`	`chenz`	`Callipygous: yeah, that is pretty much my point :)`
`11:17.02`	`scrooge`	`:D`
`11:17.13`	`scrooge`	`slayerbob, erhm, the frnech toast is on hold :P`
`11:17.16`	`scrooge`	`i found waffles!`
`11:17.22`	`Callipygous`	`wtf?`
`11:17.27`	`Callipygous`	`i'll give you reading glasses`
`11:17.58`	`Callipygous`	`/etc/resolv.conf set correctly?`
`11:18.47`	`canllaith`	`apt, troubleshooting-network-x`
`11:18.50`	`canllaith`	`mmmm`
`11:18.52`	`chenz`	`Callipygous: done automatically be pppd`
`11:18.52`	`slayerbob`	`you can't have french toast and waffles at the same time ?`
`11:18.59`	`canllaith`	`apt: ug-network-x`
`11:19.05`	`canllaith`	`damn what the heck did I call that?`
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`11:19.35`	`PhilRod`	`did you put it on the wiki page?`
`11:19.39`	`PhilRod`	`apt: kdelinks`
`11:19.40`	`apt`	`kdelinks is, like, http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=apt+Bot+For+User+Support`
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`11:19.55`	`canllaith`	`lol no I didn't :#`
`11:19.57`	`PhilRod`	`there's some way to search the bot too, I think`
`11:19.59`	`canllaith`	`apt: ug-troubleshooting-network-x`
`11:20.03`	`canllaith`	`grrr`
`11:20.04`	`canllaith`	`apt: ug`
`11:20.07`	`apt`	`methinks ug is http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/userguide/`
`11:20.13`	`canllaith`	`Ooook it seems apt is ignoring me :)`
`11:20.52`	`canllaith`	`chenz, http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/userguide/troubleshooting.html#troubleshooting-network-x`
`11:20.56`	`canllaith`	`Check that out :)`
`11:21.23`	`scrooge`	`slayerbob, good point :D`
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`11:22.43`	`PhilRod`	`canllaith: well, "listkeys <regex>" searches the bot's list of keys, but I can't find what you were looking for :-/`
`11:23.41`	`chenz`	`canllaith: i don't think thats it, as i said, non kde-related internet apps work`
`11:23.52`	`canllaith`	`I would check anyway.`
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`11:27.37`	`scrooge`	`wow`
`11:27.42`	`scrooge`	`hom many bots tim gotr!?`
`11:27.44`	`scrooge`	`got^^`
`11:27.48`	`lippel`	`chenz: akregator doesn't connect to the internet on startup`
`11:28.16`	`lippel`	`at least not unless you check "fetch feeds on startup"`
`11:28.21`	`PhilRod`	`canllaith: it's ug-networking-x, btw`
`11:28.28`	`canllaith`	`Bah.`
`11:29.08`	`canllaith`	`Stupid me for picking such long names`
`11:29.09`	`PhilRod`	`could you add it to the wiki page?`
`11:29.09`	`chenz`	`lippel: i had akregator running (working) when it suddenly froze and took kopete with it`
`11:29.11`	`canllaith`	`Do I have an account on the wiki?`
`11:29.41`	`chenz`	`lippel: after that ist would not start any more, and konqeror would freeze when i clicked on a internet bookmark`
`11:29.58`	`chenz`	`s/ist/it/`
`11:30.17`	`chenz`	`i have seen this once before in the last couple of months`
`11:30.20`	`PhilRod`	`canllaith: dunno, but you don't need one`
`11:30.57`	`PhilRod`	`chenz: try with a new user`
`11:30.57`	`chenz`	`i'm sure when i restart my kde session the problem will be gone`
`11:30.57`	`lippel`	`chenz: so it was caused by akregator??`
`11:30.57`	`PhilRod`	`bbiab`
`11:30.57`	`canllaith`	`k :)`
`11:31.36`	`chenz`	`lippel: at least it was the last kde internet program i used before this condition kicked in`
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`11:36.03`	`tim_h__`	`when I add debug to kdebase but kdelibs is comilied without will I still see debug messages?`
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`11:45.41`	`chenz`	`yup, restarted my kde session and everything works again :)`
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`12:15.09`	`Yog`	`hi. I have some weird problems with kmail. all dialogs (e.g. search) are always maximized when opened. this is the only kde app which behaves like that, and it does this for several upgrades now. now it's on kde 3.4. any ideas ?`
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`12:16.17`	`PhilRod`	`Yog: what about if you try with a new user?`
`12:20.48`	`Yog`	`PhilRod: just tested it, with another user it works. ... but I'm not going to delete the kmailrc, that's too much configuration work to loose. ;-) I'm trying a diff.`
`12:21.13`	`Radio_`	`kuser crash`
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`12:22.34`	`PhilRod`	`Yog: try moving it out of the way, then try again`
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`12:27.10`	`Arthaey`	`Ctrl-Alt-N is mapped to locking the session, but I don't see it in any of the keyboard shortcuts listed in the Control Center. Where else might this shortcut be defined, so I can removed it?`
`12:30.57`	`Yog`	`Philrod: I've stoped kmail, then deleted ConfigureDialogWidth=1600 from the kmailrc, and all other lines containing such values. restarted kmail, search dialog is still fullscreen, quit kmail, and all the 1600 values are back in kmailrc. ;-(`
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`12:34.18`	`Yog`	`mmh, and removing the kmailrc doesn't help, i then still have maximized dialogs, so it may not be the problem of kmailrc at all`
`12:34.43`	`PhilRod`	`move the file, close kmail, run kbuildsycoca, then restart kmail`
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`12:39.48`	`underlord`	`is there some hidden trick in konuqerors history handling that stops recording of history relates to porn and similar things? stuff doesnt seem to show up suspiciously from sites like that`
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`12:40.45`	`Yog`	`found it ! I have an entry under windows specific setup (don't know the correct english translation, under kcontrol/desktop or workplace) for kmail. there was entry for the window to maximize, however only at initialization. be it seems that was triggered all the time.`
`12:40.53`	`Yog`	`thanks for the help anyway ! :-)`
`12:41.39`	`dec0ding`	`where the file association rc's are stored?`
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`12:45.00`	`nighter_`	`whats the package name in debian for just the headers for kde?`
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`12:46.59`	`scrooge`	`kdelibs?`
`12:47.24`	`PieD`	`kdecore-devel ?`
`12:47.26`	`StevenR`	`kdelibs-devel?`
`12:47.32`	`PieD`	`(this is a meta package)`
`12:47.53`	`PieD`	`please wait, I launch synaptic`
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`12:48.12`	`PieD`	`and the winner is ...`
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`12:48.13`	`Callipygous`	`can you guys make arts suck less?`
`12:48.14`	`PieD`	`nobody :p`
`12:48.20`	`PieD`	`kdelibs4-dev`
`12:48.25`	`ryanoe`	`Could someone please help me download this video ? http://www.loweworldwide.com/work/creative/cpf10_1l.html?campaign_id=4`
`12:48.34`	`PieD`	`Callipygous: why does it suck ?`
`12:48.42`	`PieD`	`it works fine here since KDE 2.0 :)`
`12:48.43`	`Callipygous`	`it just does`
`12:48.46`	`Callipygous`	`haha`
`12:48.50`	`Callipygous`	`you stick up for arts`
`12:48.51`	`Callipygous`	`thats lame`
`12:48.54`	`PieD`	`what a beautiful argument`
`12:49.15`	`PieD`	`I use arts because my needs are satisfied with arts !`
`12:49.34`	`PieD`	`I know using gstreamer would be better for interoperability`
`12:49.53`	`PieD`	`and I also know that kdemm will appear with kde 3.5 or 4.0`
`12:49.56`	`PieD`	`so I'm patient`
`12:50.01`	`Callipygous`	`mm?`
`12:50.11`	`PieD`	`ryanoe: The specified file or url was not found. Please check it. (/displayData.html/CDocumentsandSettingsecottinDesktopSAAB56_bdSaabCalifornication_bd.mov?type=film&id=127)`
`12:50.21`	`PieD`	`kdemm will be a multimedia framework`
`12:50.34`	`PieD`	`allowing the use of either gstreamer, arts, xine...`
`12:50.37`	`PieD`	`without any app change`
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`12:51.00`	`Callipygous`	`well mm == multimedia wasn't hard to guess, but what does it do?`
`12:51.19`	`PieD`	`it will be an engine independent framework`
`12:51.27`	`PieD`	`do you know what amarok does for engines ?`
`12:51.43`	`PieD`	`it is able to use xine, arts or gstreamer`
`12:51.58`	`PieD`	`(or what you want if you're able to develop the needed libs)`
`12:52.11`	`ryanoe`	`Hmm`
`12:52.14`	`PieD`	`kdemm will be that system (and some things more) extended to all KDE`
`12:52.15`	`ryanoe`	`How do I download that?`
`12:52.17`	`ryanoe`	`PieD`
`12:52.31`	`ryanoe`	`I can view it using my windows machine`
`12:52.32`	`PieD`	`so you will be able to forget arts if you don't like it`
`12:53.13`	`Callipygous`	`but you can't just run say, xmms and firefox + flash?`
`12:53.51`	`PieD`	`???????,,`
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`12:54.04`	`PieD`	`I hate xmms`
`12:54.10`	`PieD`	`prehistoric player`
`12:54.27`	`Callipygous`	`well then, beep-media-player does it for you? good then`
`12:54.33`	`Callipygous`	`s/xmms/beep-media-player`
`12:54.52`	`PieD`	`beep-media-player doesn't manage my library`
`12:54.54`	`PieD`	`I use amarok`
`12:54.59`	`Callipygous`	`okay`
`12:55.02`	`PieD`	`amarok rox !`
`12:55.13`	`Callipygous`	`well what if somebody wants to use non-kde things?`
`12:55.18`	`Callipygous`	`shame on them, i know`
`12:55.25`	`PieD`	`he can, no problem`
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`12:55.41`	`PieD`	`if its distro is good enough`
`12:55.47`	`PieD`	`the apps are launched with soundwrapper`
`12:55.58`	`Callipygous`	`but soundwrapper sucks`
`12:56.05`	`Callipygous`	`it really really does`
`12:56.11`	`Callipygous`	`it doesn't work with half the stuff`
`12:56.51`	`PieD`	`I don't know, when I tried it it worked`
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`12:57.43`	`rabauke`	`Hello, hello!`
`12:57.43`	`Callipygous`	`I played around with it for a while`
`12:57.54`	`Callipygous`	`then i said, no this sucks, but then a few months later i needed a mixer`
`12:58.02`	`Callipygous`	`but then after using it a week, was like no way`
`12:58.19`	`Callipygous`	`bbut really arts is just a bandaid fix for a problem that exists with linux`
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`12:58.29`	`PieD`	`the problem is linux, not arts !`
`12:58.29`	`rabauke`	`Dows anybody else encounter the problem that amarok does not save settings like the size of the left panel, or the fps for the eif it is shut down with the session?`
`12:58.49`	`PieD`	`the problem will be solve later, when all the apps will be using gstreamer`
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`12:59.20`	`Callipygous`	`yes, the problems is linux`
`12:59.32`	`Callipygous`	`but arts only half fixes it, and just confuses people`
`12:59.53`	`Callipygous`	`should just have software mixing in the kernel like FreeBSD`
`13:00.43`	`lauri`	`(because of course that's never the source of confusion amongst users :)`
`13:01.09`	`lauri`	`"I turned the volume down and I still hear stuff" because they turned it down in the app, not for the card, and some other app is busy making noise anyway`
`13:02.10`	`lauri`	`or "I don't have a /dev/dsp and this app says I should have it" (because it'll get created when it's asked for, or the app will be silently redirected to /dev/dsp0.1 or 0.4 or whatever's not being used - but until it's asked for there's no node)`
`13:02.22`	`lauri`	`for every solution, there's problems only waiting to be found :)`
`13:02.32`	`slayerbob`	`or created :P`
`13:03.00`	`lauri`	`well, arts isn't the big problem people make it out to be, and gstreamer is not the god given solution to everything, is all`
`13:03.03`	`Callipygous`	`well /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp0.1 always exist for me`
`13:03.11`	`lauri`	`it's like people putting all this faith in how great composite was`
`13:03.14`	`Callipygous`	`upto 0.6 or however many v.chans i have set`
`13:03.19`	`lauri`	`Callipygous: you can set it up that way`
`13:03.32`	`dstambou`	`i did have problem with arts and its buffering? or the way it operated, resovled with gstreamer`
`13:03.53`	`dstambou`	`I used to get lock ups, and massive system slowdowns using arts and juk`
`13:04.07`	`lauri`	`I never said there weren't problems`
`13:04.33`	`lauri`	`or that sometimes it doesn't get along with some systems`
`13:05.06`	`Callipygous`	`what is gstreamer exactly?`
`13:05.09`	`dstambou`	`overall gstreamer is far better in its design, but arts did the job`
`13:05.18`	`dstambou`	`for most people anyway`
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`13:05.26`	`Callipygous`	`last I checked I had a choice of esd, arts, jack and alsa's dmix plugin`
`13:05.29`	`lauri`	`I'm just about as tired of hearing 'gstreamer will solve all the problems' when it simply doesn't`
`13:05.32`	`dstambou`	`Callipygous: multimedia framework`
`13:05.32`	`Callipygous`	`all of which sucked more than the last`
`13:05.43`	`lauri`	`(and I get to support both and then some, so trust me, it's not untroublesome)`
`13:06.03`	`lauri`	`Callipygous: we just routed the amarok port to default to gstreamer`
`13:06.03`	`dstambou`	`solves more than it creates, which is more than can be said for some alternatives :p`
`13:06.05`	`lauri`	`with the arts sink :)`
`13:06.11`	`markey`	`dmix is the way to go on linux, if you don't have HW mixing`
`13:06.11`	`dstambou`	`eew`
`13:06.21`	`lauri`	`because the arts one makes people whine, but if you use anything else via gstreamer, it's choppy as hell`
`13:06.41`	`Callipygous`	`dmix blows`
`13:06.42`	`dstambou`	`lauri: you are amarok devel?`
`13:06.44`	`Callipygous`	`doesn't work with OSS`
`13:06.55`	`lauri`	`(because gstreamer is only more or less accidentally supported on !linux)`
`13:07.18`	`Callipygous`	`alsa was supposed for fix the inherant flaws in oss, but failed to do so... sound familiar?`
`13:07.23`	`lauri`	`and oss is a whole other story, it's got such a bad rap on Linux, due to 'oss emulation' which is nothing but copying the api of oss, not the frigging drivers, which are in fact very excellent`
`13:07.26`	`lauri`	`dstambou: no`
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`13:07.34`	`lauri`	`Callipygous: in oss emulation`
`13:07.36`	`lauri`	`not the same thing`
`13:07.51`	`Callipygous`	`lauri, what?`
`13:08.04`	`lauri`	`but oss is not free (well, it's free as in beer now)`
`13:08.46`	`lauri`	`Callipygous: what linux calls oss is actually something else entirely that emulates the oss api for applications - oss is commercial sound drivers (which are cross platform, and very good)`
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`13:09.26`	`lauri`	`so oss gets this really bad rap, because the linux oss emulation stuff was in fact, not very good, and alsa is certainly better than that was :)`
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`13:10.07`	`lauri`	`alsa's ok, by all accounts, just a little hard to set up if you have to do it by hand`
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`13:11.08`	`Callipygous`	`so before linux had alsa, oss wasn't oss even then?`
`13:11.21`	`lauri`	`no :)`
`13:11.35`	`lauri`	`well, you could get the real oss drivers and use 'em`
`13:11.57`	`lauri`	`same as you can now, and on freebsd and several other os'es too`
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`13:12.49`	`_rick`	`I have a little question, what could be causing this: http://img124.echo.cx/my.php?image=konqueror7kf.png`
`13:13.03`	`lauri`	`they used to cost $$ though, or only work for 2 hours before you had to restart them`
`13:13.28`	`_rick`	`the images are all gone, in the kmenu aswell`
`13:13.43`	`lauri`	`you can get a free license now though, they're worth checking out if you have a decent sound card (for my audigy2, a noticeable improvement even over the native ones - for my sb live, not so much)`
`13:14.04`	`Callipygous`	`why is it open sound system then?`
`13:14.12`	`lauri`	`missing or broken libpng maybe?`
`13:14.24`	`Callipygous`	`i think i remember oss drivers costing money back in '00 when i started out trying to use redhat 6.2 eeew`
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`13:14.40`	`_rick`	`I doubt it, the images on my taskbar do work :/`
`13:15.05`	`_rick`	`It happend after running the desktop settings wizard`
`13:15.14`	`lauri`	`then maybe messed up environment (KDEDIR or KDEDIRS set to something strange, maybe)`
`13:15.17`	`_rick`	`I'm running kde 3.4 btw :)`
`13:15.28`	`lauri`	`sorry, I have to go`
`13:15.29`	`_rick`	`ok, I'll check :)`
`13:16.59`	`_rick`	`it looks like it is the $KDEDIR variable, its empty :/`
`13:17.14`	`_rick`	`well, thanks for the help :)`
`13:18.48`	`dstambou`	`:)`
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`13:24.23`	`illogic-al`	`free license for oss drivers?`
`13:24.38`	`StarScream`	`hmm konversation is kinda cool`
`13:24.50`	`illogic-al`	`sounds like a jammin' good time.`
`13:25.12`	`_rick`	`StarScream: I agree, it works pretty good :)`
`13:25.13`	`Callipygous`	`hmm`
`13:25.14`	`Tm_T`	`StarScream: not`
`13:25.23`	`Callipygous`	`what drivers then does fbsd use? its still uses oss sound`
`13:25.55`	`StarScream`	`Tm_T: what don't you like about it..i'm just trying it out atm`
`13:26.33`	`Tm_T`	`StarScream: you can't use it remotely, so ain't like it`
`13:26.57`	`StarScream`	`Tm_T: ah ok, like over vnc/X etc.. ?`
`13:27.23`	`StarScream`	`Tm_T: or do you mean its not like irssi so it sucks ? :)`
`13:27.43`	`Tm_T`	`yes, it's not irssi, so it sucks =)`
`13:27.50`	`Tm_T`	`'cause irssi <3`
`13:27.52`	`_rick`	`You can't compare Konversation with irssi`
`13:27.57`	`Tm_T`	`nope =)`
`13:28.11`	`_rick`	`irssi is really good, but I like to have it graphical sometimes`
`13:28.18`	`illogic-al`	`we've already converted a formerly hardcore irssi user`
`13:28.23`	`Tm_T`	`I dilike graphical clients`
`13:28.23`	`_rick`	`altough I have to admit that I always have a fullscreen console open ;)`
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`13:28.26`	`StarScream`	`Tm_T: yeh i'm inclined to agree with _rick were not really comparing apples and apples`
`13:28.33`	`Tm_T`	`yes`
`13:28.37`	`illogic-al`	`we shall conquer the world before long.`
`13:28.47`	`Tm_T`	`but you can't convert me`
`13:29.11`	`StarScream`	`Tm_T: do you use mutt as well?`
`13:29.12`	`_rick`	`I use irssi aswell when I'm not at home`
`13:29.16`	`illogic-al`	`Tm_T: what features of irssi do you miss ?`
`13:29.27`	`Tm_T`	`StarScream: nope`
`13:29.33`	`StarScream`	`illogic-al: i am guessing its lack of GUI :)`
`13:29.43`	`Tm_T`	`?`
`13:29.49`	`illogic-al`	`that's an irssi bug, not a feature :-p`
`13:29.50`	`StarScream`	`n/m`
`13:29.52`	`Callipygous`	`I use mutt`
`13:29.57`	`Callipygous`	`what are you saying about mutt?`
`13:29.57`	`_rick`	`lol`
`13:30.01`	`Tm_T`	`no, I don't run irssi on my local computer`
`13:30.16`	`StarScream`	`Callipygous: go back to sleep :) nothing bad ...`
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`13:30.23`	`ilyak`	`knews anyone?`
`13:30.27`	`Callipygous`	`:) hoof`
`13:30.28`	`Callipygous`	`good`
`13:30.29`	`ilyak`	`hm, knode`
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`13:30.38`	`ilyak`	`How would i make knode resent an article?`
`13:30.59`	`Callipygous`	`who here uses gnome?`
`13:31.10`	`Tm_T`	`illogic-al: irssi has all I need and I don't have to run it on my home computer, that's why I use it`
`13:31.11`	`ilyak`	`Preferabely, how would i edit article I already sent, and send it once more`
`13:31.24`	`_rick`	`I don't like gnome, can't configure it :P`
`13:31.29`	`Tm_T`	`illogic-al: I have 4 irssi running in different places`
`13:31.43`	`illogic-al`	`Tm_T: what does 'all I need' include?`
`13:32.41`	`Tm_T`	`illogic-al: eh, I can irc easily, can configure it as I like and it works fine`
`13:33.17`	`illogic-al`	`well konvi has that too. :-)`
`13:33.26`	`Tm_T`	`BUT you can't use it remotely`
`13:33.32`	`illogic-al`	`and you can start it 10,00 different places as long as you have vnc going :-)`
`13:33.38`	`Tm_T`	`phah`
`13:33.48`	`Tm_T`	`I dont need graphic interface to irc`
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`13:35.24`	`ilyak`	`knode sucks. Unnatural Intellegence - 2005.`
`13:36.55`	`Tm_T`	`illogic-al: and some vnc, nah, ssh in Konsole, that's all I need =)`
`13:37.19`	`Tm_T`	`but it's all about what you like`
`13:37.26`	`illogic-al`	`aye.`
`13:37.36`	`Tm_T`	`I even installed irssi on my windows =)`
`13:37.41`	`illogic-al`	`we can accomodate all types here :-)`
`13:37.57`	`illogic-al`	`i didn't even know irssi ran on windows.`
`13:38.11`	`Tm_T`	`heh`
`13:38.19`	`underlord`	`treason! too many linux apps run on windows :P`
`13:38.20`	`Tm_T`	`you can use cygwin`
`13:38.25`	`Callipygous`	`why bother?`
`13:38.28`	`Tm_T`	`or`
`13:38.32`	`Callipygous`	`its still windows`
`13:38.39`	`Callipygous`	`its still crap`
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`13:38.51`	`Tm_T`	`IF you have to use windows, and local client`
`13:38.56`	`underlord`	`cygwin: linux with windows's famous instability and security :P`
`13:39.03`	`Tm_T`	`yes`
`13:39.27`	`Tm_T`	`or, there is standalone irssi`
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`13:39.33`	`Callipygous`	`oops`
`13:39.39`	`Tm_T`	`wait a second, I try to find that url`
`13:40.33`	`illogic-al`	`the only thing i use the console for is to start a GUI :-)`
`13:41.11`	`Callipygous`	`woos`
`13:41.14`	`illogic-al`	`or recover from cataclysmic failures resulting in GUI loss.`
`13:41.15`	`Callipygous`	`wuss`
`13:41.35`	`Tm_T`	`http://pp.kpnet.fi/blaze/irssi/`
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`13:42.07`	`Tm_T`	`I use console as much as possible`
`13:44.29`	`scrooge`	`:P`
`13:44.48`	`illogic-al`	`Callipygous: console is for wusses`
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`13:45.04`	`Callipygous`	`you mean 'konsole'`
`13:45.06`	`Callipygous`	`:P`
`13:45.21`	`illogic-al`	`only those tried and true who have managed to defeat the evil of X configuration can truly claim to be hardcore`
`13:45.53`	`Tm_T`	`haha`
`13:46.01`	`Tm_T`	`actually my X is running fine`
`13:46.09`	`illogic-al`	`and let us not forget the über gurus battling with 3D acceleration`
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`13:46.19`	`Tm_T`	`haha`
`13:46.29`	`illogic-al`	`now they are just in a whole different league :-D`
`13:46.47`	`Tm_T`	`hmm`
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`13:47.12`	`Tm_T`	`I just wish we gona have someday fully transparent backround in Konsole`
`13:47.15`	`Callipygous`	`I have 3d acceleration`
`13:47.17`	`Callipygous`	`who doesn't?`
`13:47.20`	`Tm_T`	`heh`
`13:47.24`	`Callipygous`	`ooh the dipsticks who got ATi cards :P`
`13:47.38`	`Tm_T`	`eh`
`13:47.40`	`illogic-al`	`ati does have 3d accelereation`
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`13:47.56`	`illogic-al`	`and letś not start some vid card wars`
`13:47.57`	`Tm_T`	`Callipygous: what's your framerate in glxgears?`
`13:48.15`	`Tm_T`	`illogic-al: actually I have it too in my ati`
`13:48.16`	`illogic-al`	`cause my trident 3d (8MB) kicks your silly nvidia ass`
`13:48.24`	`Tm_T`	`yes it does!`
`13:48.26`	`Tm_T`	`;p`
`13:49.10`	`Tm_T`	`=)`
`13:49.13`	`Callipygous`	`hahah`
`13:49.17`	`illogic-al`	`i was always wondering why my memory was 8 mb less than it was supposed to be...`
`13:49.26`	`Callipygous`	`yeah, but what ati card is it now?`
`13:49.31`	`Tm_T`	`illogic-al: you remember those half mb trident cards?`
`13:49.39`	`Callipygous`	`anyway, ati suck, sure some are reasonable, but most suck`
`13:49.44`	`Callipygous`	`i wouldn't recommend anybody to buy one`
`13:49.48`	`illogic-al`	`i don't go that far back :-)`
`13:49.54`	`Tm_T`	`why not`
`13:50.06`	`Tm_T`	`it's not that far away`
`13:50.13`	`Tm_T`	`only ... 15 yerars?`
`13:50.14`	`illogic-al`	`i only got my first PC for college`
`13:50.18`	`Tm_T`	`heh`
`13:50.20`	`illogic-al`	`5 years ago`
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`13:50.53`	`illogic-al`	`before that i killed a PC in the library around my way and decided that they were children of the devil`
`13:50.54`	`Tm_T`	`my first contact with computers was Memotech 512MTX`
`13:51.02`	`illogic-al`	`evil, is what i'm trying to say.`
`13:51.20`	`Tm_T`	`when I was 5`
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`13:51.55`	`Callipygous`	`illogic-al, you don't like computers, but you are using one?`
`13:53.20`	`Tm_T`	`27629 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5525.800 FPS`
`13:53.28`	`Tm_T`	`quite slow still :/`
`13:53.38`	`Callipygous`	`pretty crap`
`13:53.41`	`Callipygous`	`hmm`
`13:53.42`	`yannux`	`yop tlm`
`13:53.46`	`Callipygous`	`i wonder if i can test the card on my mac?`
`13:53.57`	`Tronic`	`Because glxgears is not one.`
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`13:54.32`	`vanRijn`	`re, all`
`13:54.36`	`Tronic`	`All OpenGL benchmarks that I have seen are badly outdated and ugly.`
`13:54.53`	`Tronic`	`(so is most other OpenGL stuff, though)`
`13:55.00`	`archpollux`	`hi`
`13:55.35`	`illogic-al`	`Callipygous: i like computers`
`13:55.48`	`vanRijn`	`is it possible or recommended/not to install vendor RPMs (which will use KDEDIR as /usr) and self-built source (which will use KDEDIR as /somewhere/else) at the same time?`
`13:55.59`	`Callipygous`	`devil computers?`
`13:56.00`	`archpollux`	`in the kontact intro screen, when i click on setup groupware, kontact just closes`
`13:56.03`	`archpollux`	`what's wrong?`
`13:56.10`	`archpollux`	`this is kde 3.4`
`13:56.26`	`illogic-al`	`don't know`
`13:56.40`	`illogic-al`	`i've never tried groupware setup before`
`13:57.13`	`archpollux`	`hmm`
`13:58.00`	`Tm_T`	`ok, I'm gonna test UT2k4 if it runs smoothly`
`13:58.09`	`lippel`	`vanRijn: it's possible, you have to manage KDEDIRS and PATH to avoid collisions`
`13:58.55`	`vanRijn`	`lippel: k, that's what I thought.`
`13:59.01`	`Oleg_`	`hi, people`
`13:59.06`	`Oleg_`	`it's 9:58 a.m.`
`13:59.10`	`Oleg_`	`and I feel good`
`13:59.23`	`lippel`	`vanRijn: which installation would you use normally? and what's the purpose of the self-built one?`
`13:59.23`	`Oleg_`	`today I am going to the gym as usually`
`13:59.41`	`vanRijn`	`lippel: so, if I understand it right, I'd set KDEDIRS="/usr:/somewhere/else" (and the same with PATH, etc.) before I start kde....`
`14:00.40`	`lippel`	`vanRijn: set KDEDIR, KDEDIRS, PATH, and make sure that the bin of the installation you want to use is first in PATH`
`14:00.57`	`vanRijn`	`lippel: I am using fedora core 3. I have compiled and installed all of kde 3.4-rc1 from konstruct and am still running it. I would like to switch to 3.4 official, and I'm thinking I can use the rpms supplied by kde-redhat.sf.net, but there are other things that I cannot get from RPM, like styles from kdelook.org and amarok, which is why I was thinking I could keep all of that self-compiled stuff in a different KDEDIR so that it's`
`14:00.57`	`vanRijn`	`easy to clean up.`
`14:01.39`	`Oleg_`	`lauri: hi`
`14:01.44`	`Oleg_`	`illogic-al: hi`
`14:02.06`	`lippel`	`vanRijn: yeah, you could use /opt/amarok or something like that`
`14:02.11`	`illogic-al`	`hello Oleg_`
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`14:02.22`	`illogic-al`	`sup buddy?`
`14:02.37`	`vanRijn`	`lippel: nod you ever use stow for something like this?`
`14:02.38`	`Oleg_`	`nothing`
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`14:02.44`	`Oleg_`	`chilling`
`14:03.05`	`illogic-al`	`me too, me too.`
`14:03.17`	`illogic-al`	`i gotta shower soon. before i go to class.`
`14:03.29`	`illogic-al`	`maybe i'll just bum it out and go showerless...`
`14:03.30`	`Oleg_`	`ok`
`14:03.58`	`lippel`	`vanRijn: no, i install self-compiled stuff to separate directories and manage PATH and KDEDIRS manually`
`14:04.21`	`lippel`	`vanRijn: actually i have one big script where i add these, and i source that file in ~/.xsession`
`14:04.44`	`illogic-al`	`yeah. gonna shaower.`
`14:05.24`	`vanRijn`	`lippel: can I see your script?`
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`14:07.44`	`lippel`	`vanRijn: http://rafb.net/paste/results/KZae6P63.html`
`14:07.55`	`lippel`	`and then "source thatfile" in .xsession`
`14:08.18`	`lippel`	`and i choose "xsession", "custom" or whatever it is called in kdm`
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`14:09.58`	`lippel`	`vanRijn: the advantage is, all this gets only active when i use xsession, and i don't have to mess with system settings`
`14:10.37`	`lippel`	`so if i'd want to use the default KDE installation, i would just use another kdm entry`
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`14:16.55`	`dwango`	`oh dear`
`14:16.57`	`dwango`	`dcopserver just puked and took all of kde with it`
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`14:25.37`	`membreya`	`just a quick question is anyone here running azureus under KDE?`
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`14:26.39`	`Radio_`	`hmmm kuser crashes`
`14:26.42`	`Radio_`	`crash`
`14:26.51`	`frerich`	`hi`
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`14:30.27`	`manchine`	`where can i dl the latest krita preview from?`
`14:34.23`	`apow`	`membreya: i am`
`14:34.41`	`membreya`	`apow: did you get it running without installing all those hideous gnome libraries?`
`14:35.13`	`apow`	`well... i have gentoo here, so i just emerged it`
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`14:35.23`	`membreya`	`dang`
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`14:41.29`	`Tm_T`	`eh, UT2k4 runs better in linux than it did in win2k :p`
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`14:42.28`	`coachz`	`should i pick gdm, xdm or kdm for my kde please ?`
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`14:43.57`	`scrooge`	`ok`
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`14:47.18`	`Tronic`	`Tm_T: Got any benchmarks?`
`14:47.29`	`Tronic`	`I suppose that you have NVIDIA...`
`14:48.12`	`Tm_T`	`yes`
`14:48.47`	`Tm_T`	`nv 5700`
`14:48.55`	`Tm_T`	`256Mb`
`14:50.23`	`Tronic`	`I wonder why they keep putting oversized memory on low-end cards and undersized memory on high-end cards.`
`14:50.57`	`damjan`	`membreya: I use azureus in KDE, and I don't have anything from Gnome installed`
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`14:52.20`	`Tm_T`	`heh`
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`14:55.39`	`Berto`	`what's the best PDF viewer to use in KDE`
`14:55.46`	`Berto`	`i'm sick of xpdf`
`14:56.18`	`eros`	`Berto: move to kpdf! what are you waiting for !?`
`14:56.25`	`Tronic`	`Berto: Acrobat Reader.`
`14:56.27`	`Berto`	`eros: just switched to KDE this week`
`14:56.44`	`Berto`	`Tronic: have a slower computer, don't feel like waiting eons for an adobe product to load`
`14:56.46`	`Tronic`	`It's the only one that works well and has somewhat usable UI.`
`14:57.07`	`eros`	`Tronic: define 'usable'.. what's wrong with kpdf ?`
`14:57.12`	`Tronic`	`Berto: Well, yeah. It is slow to start and it is slow to run. But really, there are no better options :/`
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`14:58.14`	`Tronic`	`eros: Let me check.`
`14:58.40`	`Berto`	`kpdf looks terrible on my file, xpdf looks good... oh well`
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`14:58.56`	`eros`	`Berto: which kpdf ?`
`14:59.08`	`eros`	`Berto: 0.3 0.4.. (we're working on 0.5)`
`14:59.13`	`eros`	`Tronic: thanks`
`15:00.35`	`Tronic`	`0.x? I guess that's its own version number, but yet, it gets distributed under the KDE version number.`
`15:01.09`	`Tronic`	`Btw, I also need to compile new kdelibs => this is going to take forever.`
`15:02.00`	`Tronic`	`Is kpdf based on gpdf engine?`
`15:02.13`	`pankey`	`xpdf`
`15:02.13`	`Tronic`	`Rendering errors would suggest that.`
`15:02.24`	`pankey`	`cvs kpdf is based off poppler`
`15:02.38`	`Tronic`	`xpdf shouldn't have too many problems.`
`15:02.59`	`eros`	`Tronic: it extends XPDF. see screenshots on http://kpdf.kde.org/screenshots.php`
`15:03.14`	`Tronic`	`It's been a while since I last tried kpdf, so I don't really recall.`
`15:03.46`	`eros`	`Tronic: in the screenshots page compare 0.3 (KDE 3.3.x) with 0.4 (KDE 3.4.x)`
`15:04.33`	`Tronic`	`0.3 looks familiar, 0.4 does not.`
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`15:09.02`	`kenetas`	`how to change resolution on kde, i have tried everything and no of them works?`
`15:10.12`	`PhilRod`	`do it with xorg.conf`
`15:10.19`	`PhilRod`	`(if you can't get it to work with KDE)`
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`15:10.53`	`Tm_T`	`kenetas: you wan't higher resolution?`
`15:11.11`	`kenetas`	`yes`
`15:11.33`	`kenetas`	`and xorg.conf doesnt work`
`15:12.08`	`kenetas`	`i have changed it a lot of times but nothing happens`
`15:12.38`	`Tm_T`	`kenetas: check your logs`
`15:13.04`	`kenetas`	`and search for what?`
`15:13.49`	`Tm_T`	`(WW) (1400x1050,Generic Monitor) mode clock 122MHz exceeds DDC maximum 110MHz`
`15:14.00`	`Tm_T`	`I have this kind of porblem myself`
`15:14.26`	`Tm_T`	`only when I use nvidia drivers :p`
`15:14.56`	`kenetas`	`i have an intel 865 video card`
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`15:15.10`	`Tm_T`	`so I have to use 1280x1024 instead, way too low :/`
`15:15.22`	`Tm_T`	`gotta buy 19" crt`
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`15:15.33`	`kenetas`	`but i use vesa drivers, is it right?`
`15:16.01`	`Tm_T`	`check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
`15:16.09`	`Tm_T`	`it tells more`
`15:16.26`	`Tm_T`	`hmm`
`15:16.35`	`kenetas`	`but does gentoo supports intel 865 card?`
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`15:17.47`	`StR`	`hi there....`
`15:17.55`	`StR`	`I have a question about kontact....`
`15:17.58`	`Tm_T`	`hullo`
`15:18.12`	`StR`	`that "Journal" what is that for?`
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`15:19.28`	`zygis`	`yju`
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`15:21.53`	`StR`	`hello?`
`15:22.20`	`Tm_T`	`heh`
`15:24.40`	`PhilRod`	`StR: did you read the handbook? (I expect it says)`
`15:26.08`	`Tm_T`	`heh`
`15:26.15`	`Tm_T`	`"manual? what's that"`
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`15:28.06`	`StR`	`PhilRod: I'm reading it, and I don't find what that is for....`
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`15:28.59`	`Oleg_`	`people, tell me the good site in which I can go thoroughly inside to find out about the world of mpegs, avis, oggs, about good bitrates for movies`
`15:29.23`	`PhilRod`	`StR: OK - if there's nothing about it, please file a bug on bugs.kde.org in the product 'docs' explaining what's missing`
`15:30.02`	`PhilRod`	`Oleg_: doom9.org, but it's not relly on-topic`
`15:30.05`	`PhilRod`	`really*`
`15:30.14`	`Oleg_`	`ok`
`15:30.16`	`Oleg_`	`thanks`
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`15:31.10`	`StR`	`PhilRod: your answers mean: I don't know what that journal thing is for?`
`15:31.18`	`Oleg_`	`hehe`
`15:32.16`	`PhilRod`	`StR: I don't know`
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`15:32.33`	`PhilRod`	`or, "yes, I don't know" :-)`
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`15:32.59`	`StevenR`	`PhilRod: has anyone been in asking about slackware and kmail in kde3.4?`
`15:35.53`	`PhilRod`	`StevenR: not that I've noticed, but I haven't been here all that much`
`15:36.34`	`StevenR`	`PhilRod: ahh ok :)...if anyone has problems with it, point them to http://slackware.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/`
`15:37.53`	`PhilRod`	`cool, d'you wanna teach the bot that link?`
`15:38.11`	`StevenR`	`PhilRod: how do i teach it?`
`15:38.58`	`PhilRod`	`apt: slack-packages is http://slackware.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/`
`15:38.59`	`apt`	`okay, PhilRod`
`15:39.03`	`PhilRod`	`like that :-)`
`15:39.07`	`StevenR`	`apt: slack-packages`
`15:39.08`	`apt`	`from memory, slack-packages is http://slackware.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/`
`15:39.18`	`PhilRod`	`and put it up on this page:`
`15:39.20`	`PhilRod`	`apt: kdelinks`
`15:39.22`	`apt`	`rumour has it, kdelinks is http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=apt+Bot+For+User+Support`
`15:39.35`	`PhilRod`	`then we can go look it up if we forget :-)`
`15:40.34`	`StevenR`	`PhilRod: ok, editing page`
`15:41.10`	`PhilRod`	`thanks`
`15:41.29`	`tim_h__`	`the settings:/ kioslave doesnt work here. Any idee how to debug this to find out what is wrong with the build?`
`15:42.05`	`StevenR`	`PhilRod: wiki updated`
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`15:42.43`	`PhilRod`	`tim_h__: does the control center work correctly?`
`15:42.49`	`tim_h__`	`PhilRod: yes`
`15:43.05`	`PhilRod`	`what's werong with settings:/ ?`
`15:43.51`	`tim_h__`	`settings:/ loads and shows the submenu, but when I click a settings item it wants to load it in kwrite`
`15:44.03`	`tim_h__`	`or save to disk`
`15:45.21`	`tim_h__`	`PhilRod: any idee?`
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`15:47.28`	`PhilRod`	`oh, that's hopefully a bit easier to fix`
`15:48.15`	`PhilRod`	`right-click on one of the items, and next to "type", click on the little wrench icon`
`15:48.29`	`elkrammer`	`does someone know a good image viewer for kde with nice zooming options, and scrolling like kpdf? I don't like Kuickshow...`
`15:48.48`	`PhilRod`	`gwenview? photobook plugin for konq?`
`15:49.01`	`eros`	`try gwenview`
`15:49.12`	`elkrammer`	`thanks :)`
`15:49.41`	`PhilRod`	`tim_h__: under "embedding", choose "use setting for application group"`
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`15:50.47`	`tim_h__`	`PhilRod: unfortunately this is what I have :(`
`15:50.58`	`PhilRod`	`ok`
`15:51.18`	`StR`	`how do I set konsole so I see colors when I do "ls"`
`15:51.44`	`Theory`	`alias ls="ls --color"`
`15:52.29`	`elkrammer`	`StR: yeah, put what Theory says in your .bashrc`
`15:52.47`	`StR`	`thanks....`
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`15:55.45`	`StR`	`how do I setup an encoding for konsole, so I don't have to set it up everytime I run konsole?`
`15:56.37`	`PhilRod`	`tim_h__: I expect there's a file in ~/.kde/share/mimelnk that you can delete. Try moving that whole directory out of the way, restarting KDE, and try again. If it works, you can try to find exactly which file is causing the problem`
`15:56.52`	`PhilRod`	`StR: set up how you like, then "settings->save as default"`
`15:57.13`	`StR`	`PhilRod: didn't work`
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`15:57.39`	`Tm_T`	`yep`
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`16:02.23`	`bushwakko`	`when I insert a usbdisk into my laptop, fstab updates with a /meda/usbdisk1 folder`
`16:02.34`	`bushwakko`	`however kwikdisk doesnt...`
`16:02.39`	`tim_h__`	`PhilRod: thanks! It doesnt work for any user, I try moving in /usr/share/mimelnk`
`16:02.40`	`bushwakko`	`its does on my other pc`
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`16:43.39`	`illogic-al`	`is it just me? or is kdepim from 3_4_branch screwded`
`16:44.06`	`Tronic`	`eros: Hmm.. Seems to be working very well otherwise, but I've found two little problems.`
`16:44.11`	`SuperLag`	`Does KOffice support exporting to a PDF like OpenOffice does?`
`16:44.25`	`eros`	`Tronic: ok, report`
`16:44.28`	`Tronic`	`eros: First of all, alt-tab to another program is very slow.`
`16:44.46`	`eros`	`Tronic: cvs-head build ?`
`16:44.49`	`Tronic`	`eros: Secondly (okay, this may be nitpicking), "fit to width" should be the default setting for zoom.`
`16:45.19`	`eros`	`Tronic: 2nd: changed today in dev branch :-)`
`16:45.21`	`eeanm`	`SuperLag: yes, its a feature of any KDE program`
`16:45.23`	`Tronic`	`eros: No, 0.4.`
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`16:45.42`	`membreya`	`hi, if I receive the error message of:`
`16:45.43`	`membreya`	`checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!`
`16:45.50`	`membreya`	`what packages would need to be installed?`
`16:46.02`	`Tronic`	`I'll, later, try some of the documents that would not work in xpdf and/or gpdf.`
`16:46.25`	`eros`	`Tronic: I know that Alt+tab was changed yesterday.. but the behavior that used to be before was good!`
`16:48.26`	`Tronic`	`Weird.`
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`16:55.01`	`Tronic`	`eros: Btw, how does kpdf handle DRM?`
`16:55.16`	`eros`	`Tronic: which type of DRM ?`
`16:55.19`	`Tronic`	`(i.e. will it obey those bits, or just allow me to do anything)`
`16:56.03`	`Tronic`	`Those bits that tell whether I can print the document, copy & paste out from it, add comments (I guess that this doesn't really apply to kpdf), etc...`
`16:56.07`	`SteamedPenguin`	`Tronic: you can compile kpdf without the shitty DRM stuff and then it doesn't matter`
`16:56.57`	`Tronic`	`Oh, right. Gentoo even has the "nodrm" patch for it.`
`16:57.14`	`SteamedPenguin`	`it isn't a patch`
`16:57.20`	`SteamedPenguin`	`no-drm is a compile time flag`
`16:57.26`	`Tronic`	`USE flag anyway :)`
`16:57.32`	`SteamedPenguin`	`gentoo just activates no-drm by default I think.`
`16:57.35`	`Tronic`	`For xpdf it is a patch.`
`16:57.36`	`SteamedPenguin`	`:)`
`16:57.50`	`SteamedPenguin`	`xpdf is stupid then. :)`
`16:57.57`	`Tronic`	`(because the xpdf author thinks that PDF readers should obey DRM)`
`16:58.31`	`SteamedPenguin`	`xpdf author ought to be taken out back and have his kneecaps used for xylophone practice with a baseball bat`
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`16:59.20`	`eros`	`Tronic: under 'configuration' I have "obey drm limitations" (the 4 restrictions) and KPDF Restrict those operations is you don't disable the config option`
`17:02.49`	`Tronic`	`Nice :)`
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`17:03.25`	`Tronic`	`Anyway, I think that freedom is not being able to change the source code, but to have it respect you without modifications :)`
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`17:24.44`	`damjan`	`Tronic: software can't respect everybody at the same time... being able to change the source insures that it will respect you if that's what you want`
`17:26.26`	`Tronic`	`damjan: Well, what comes to DRM... I pay for the hardware that runs the software, so I get to control it. Also, if one releases something, he should accept that it has been released and not to try keep control over what people can or cannot do with it.`
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`17:34.24`	`kilrae`	`abbott and costello are going to mars`
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`17:42.36`	`Goose`	`hi, i was wondering... is there anyway to turn off the giant icons and the kmenu next to the taskbar?`
`17:42.46`	`Goose`	`<-- prefers words`
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`17:43.19`	`PhilRod`	`afaics, no`
`17:43.27`	`Goose`	`dang`
`17:43.40`	`Goose`	`those icons are annoying after a while`
`17:44.47`	`kilrae`	`icons?`
`17:44.58`	`Goose`	`all the icons on the kicker`
`17:45.06`	`kilrae`	`ooh`
`17:45.12`	`Goose`	`they don't really make much sense to me, i'd prefer words like gnome`
`17:45.28`	`PhilRod`	`"tome" is a word like gnome`
`17:45.36`	`annma`	`hi!`
`17:45.40`	`Goose`	`=)`
`17:45.41`	`PhilRod`	`or I suppose "elf" if you're talking semantically`
`17:45.44`	`PhilRod`	`heya annma :-)`
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`17:47.02`	`diegows`	`hi`
`17:47.05`	`diegows`	`question`
`17:47.34`	`diegows`	`my kdm is not executing /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession`
`17:47.36`	`diegows`	`why?`
`17:48.02`	`annma`	`hmmm`
`17:48.09`	`annma`	`distro?`
`17:48.28`	`Goose`	`hmm that IS weird.. i'd have figured someone would've left an option to render text in the kicker`
`17:48.47`	`kilrae`	`replace the offensive icons with text icons :P`
`17:49.01`	`Goose`	`:o! brilliant =)`
`17:49.01`	`annma`	`Goose: you can turn off these icons`
`17:49.09`	`Goose`	`you can?`
`17:49.11`	`Goose`	`how?`
`17:49.18`	`annma`	`try the kicker properties`
`17:49.25`	`annma`	`right click on kicker`
`17:49.37`	`diegows`	`annma, debian`
`17:49.44`	`annma`	`panel menu -> configure panel`
`17:49.45`	`Goose`	`oh ok i'll try it later i'm not on a kde box right now =) i thought i tried it`
`17:49.58`	`annma`	`diegows: then you can ask in #debian-kde maybe`
`17:50.06`	`Goose`	`i think that controls the icons in the start menu`
`17:50.06`	`annma`	`Goose: doh`
`17:50.09`	`Goose`	`or the kde menu`
`17:50.22`	`Goose`	`not the ones that are alwas on the desktop`
`17:50.44`	`Goose`	`to the right of the big K on the panel`
`17:51.07`	`Goose`	`although i think i'll use kilrae's suggestion and replace them with text icons =)`
`17:52.04`	`Goose`	`http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=22995&file1=22995-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Gems i'm talking about the stuff across the bottom of the screen`
`17:52.21`	`Goose`	`not the icons in the K menu`
`17:53.29`	`annma`	`as you are not in your KDE box I don't understand your real problem here`
`17:54.07`	`Goose`	`i'll come back in about 8 hrs i guess`
`17:54.15`	`Goose`	`=)`
`17:55.25`	`Goose`	`kicker panel icons -> text so that i don't have to decipher what they all mean all the time`
`17:55.36`	`diegows`	`annma, ok`
`17:56.15`	`Goose`	`kicker panel icons != kmenu icons which is what the panel conf controls the icons inside the kmenu`
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`17:57.18`	`s3m10s`	`so how do you use the popup blocker in konqi?`
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`17:58.35`	`PhilRod`	`switch it on in the config, and enjoy popup-free browsing`
`17:58.43`	`s3m10s`	`ok. thanks.`
`17:58.52`	`s3m10s`	`so will there actually be one any time soon_`
`17:58.54`	`s3m10s`	`?`
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`17:59.44`	`PhilRod`	`settings->configure konq->java & javascript -> javascript tab -> open new windows -> smart`
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`18:00.10`	`s3m10s`	`ok. kewl.. I wasn�t sure there was one. I may have to stop using firefox soon`
`18:00.14`	`StR`	`how do I set the default encoding in KDE?`
`18:00.43`	`PhilRod`	`I think you set LANG in the environment in which KDE is started`
`18:02.01`	`StR`	`PhilRod: I have:`
`18:02.05`	`StR`	`LANG=en_US.UTF-8`
`18:02.05`	`StR`	`LANGUAGE=en_GT:en`
`18:02.43`	`s3m10s`	`PhilRod - do you have any idea why my help ioslave wouldn't work? I recompiled kio and kioslave and I still can't use the help system`
`18:02.59`	`PhilRod`	`s3m10s: what happens when you try to use help:/ ?`
`18:03.28`	`s3m10s`	`help center opens and I get the following message`
`18:03.43`	`PhilRod`	`try (say) "help:/klipper" in konqueror`
`18:04.05`	`s3m10s`	`could not start process Unable to creat io-slave:`
`18:04.12`	`s3m10s`	`klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'help'`
`18:05.10`	`PhilRod`	`do any other ioslaves have problems?`
`18:05.15`	`s3m10s`	`nope`
`18:05.18`	`Goose`	`whoa! can i use a .svg file for an icon?`
`18:05.28`	`PhilRod`	`look in kinfocenter to see if help:/ is listed there`
`18:05.28`	`s3m10s`	`locate, sword, burn, everythingelse is fine`
`18:06.16`	`s3m10s`	`its not there`
`18:06.18`	`annma`	`Goose: svg files should be transformed in png to be ised`
`18:06.20`	`annma`	`used`
`18:06.36`	`Goose`	`:o so i can make all the icons before i get home =) sweet!`
`18:07.06`	`s3m10s`	`so its funny that in kinfocenter I cant get help on the ioslaves`
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`18:08.20`	`annma`	`Goose: ksvg will do that for you in konsole`
`18:08.28`	`Goose`	`=) hehe awesome`
`18:08.31`	`annma`	`ksvg --help will give you the formay`
`18:08.46`	`Goose`	`thanks annma`
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`18:16.03`	`membreya`	`anyone here good with applets and installing them ?`
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`18:16.20`	`annma`	`well I install some`
`18:16.30`	`annma`	`membreya: what's up?`
`18:16.40`	`s3m10s`	`aha. kdoctools`
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`18:17.15`	`membreya`	`annma: I'm trying to install knemo for a network monitor and it installed in odd places so I manually moved the files. Now when I try to start the applet I get kicker: WARNING: cannot open applet: knemo because of Library files for "knemo.la" not found in paths`
`18:17.22`	`membreya`	`in the .xsession-errors`
`18:17.37`	`membreya`	`I've manually edited knemo.la to give it the correct directory`
`18:17.46`	`membreya`	`is there any way to find out WHAT libraries it's failing on?`
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`18:18.34`	`s3m10s`	`Philrod: thanks I've found it for some reason it didn't get compiled. now its fixed`
`18:22.11`	`membreya`	`any ideas on what to do annma ?`
`18:22.41`	`annma`	`membreya: where si syou get the source code for the applet?`
`18:23.15`	`membreya`	`annma: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=12956`
`18:23.24`	`membreya`	`typical...kde-apps is dead again :P`
`18:23.31`	`membreya`	`I can email it to you if you prefer`
`18:23.33`	`membreya`	`or wait`
`18:23.34`	`membreya`	`:)`
`18:23.51`	`annma`	`membreya: did you configure it with your KDEDIR prefix?`
`18:24.10`	`membreya`	`no :(`
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`18:24.12`	`membreya`	`stupid me`
`18:24.28`	`membreya`	`and now I've moved files everywhere..but they technically are where they're supposed to be :P`
`18:24.46`	`membreya`	`annma: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/knemo-0.3.1.tar.bz2`
`18:25.09`	`annma`	`membreya: what is your kde version?`
`18:25.14`	`membreya`	`3.4`
`18:25.32`	`annma`	`did the code compile OK?`
`18:25.50`	`membreya`	`it did indeed`
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`18:28.19`	`annma`	`membreya: so do a make install again`
`18:28.35`	`annma`	`in a msg window paste the 6 last lines of the make install`
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`18:31.24`	`geko`	`k3b: WARNING: KGenericFactory: instance requested but no instance name or about data passed to the constructor!`
`18:31.29`	`geko`	`got this running k3b`
`18:31.36`	`geko`	`what is this ?`
`18:32.55`	`annma`	`warning is no problem`
`18:32.57`	`sredna`	`geko: A sign that the k3b developer slept in class :o`
`18:33.08`	`sredna`	`Hi annma :-)`
`18:33.14`	`annma`	`hi sredna :)`
`18:33.29`	`geko`	`sredna: please be serious.`
`18:33.37`	`sredna`	`I am :)`
`18:33.49`	`geko`	`so how do i solve this ?`
`18:33.53`	`annma`	`geko: k3b does not work then?`
`18:33.54`	`sredna`	`geko: !`
`18:33.57`	`geko`	`what is the motive ?`
`18:34.06`	`annma`	`geko: WARNING is not a problem`
`18:34.21`	`annma`	`geko: distro?`
`18:34.22`	`geko`	`is a wrning.`
`18:34.27`	`geko`	`*warning`
`18:34.34`	`annma`	`warning is only a warning`
`18:34.44`	`annma`	`what is your distro?`
`18:34.59`	`geko`	`shouldn't we br warned with a warning ?`
`18:35.05`	`sredna`	`geko: Send a email to the k3b developers about it, and they might remember to fix it for next release`
`18:35.07`	`geko`	`s/br/be`
`18:35.12`	`geko`	`annma: gentoo`
`18:35.31`	`annma`	`so does k3b work or not?`
`18:35.45`	`geko`	`yes it works.`
`18:35.53`	`annma`	`:) good, excellent`
`18:36.07`	`geko`	`indeed`
`18:36.12`	`annma`	`running gentoo means you run from sources thus you get some debug info`
`18:36.20`	`annma`	`as I see it`
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`18:36.39`	`geko`	`so what ?`
`18:36.55`	`geko`	`is easier to come here.`
`18:36.55`	`annma`	`so what? so that kind of stuff helps the devels`
`18:36.58`	`fangel`	`is it possible to get KDM to auth. users from a LDAP server (not localhost, not local users)`
`18:37.15`	`geko`	`i'm not a developer.`
`18:37.24`	`geko`	`i'm running k3b in a desktop.`
`18:37.28`	`annma`	`geko: just think about it like an Easter Egg and laugh about it, OK?`
`18:37.31`	`geko`	`thanks, anyway.`
`18:37.31`	`annma`	`yes`
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`18:38.02`	`geko`	`so, you use gentoo too ?`
`18:38.02`	`annma`	`you can hack the source to remove all info`
`18:38.07`	`annma`	`me? never!`
`18:38.12`	`annma`	`I use kde from cvs`
`18:38.13`	`geko`	`lol`
`18:38.14`	`geko`	`why ?`
`18:38.23`	`annma`	`because I need kde of the day`
`18:38.34`	`annma`	`and I like knowing what I do`
`18:38.45`	`annma`	`if I want a script I write one`
`18:38.46`	`geko`	`and you cant with gentoo ? oO`
`18:38.49`	`annma`	`no`
`18:38.55`	`geko`	`lol`
`18:39.02`	`geko`	`so, you use mandrake ? :x`
`18:39.09`	`annma`	`updating cvs everyday with gentoo would be a pain`
`18:39.25`	`annma`	`I use kde from cvs, I am a devel`
`18:39.38`	`annma`	`underneath I use mandrake, yes`
`18:39.54`	`geko`	`why mandrake ?`
`18:39.57`	`sredna`	`Firefox`
`18:39.59`	`annma`	`easy`
`18:40.05`	`sredna`	`Ooops`
`18:40.10`	`geko`	`slackware is easier`
`18:40.12`	`Theory`	`*Mandriva?`
`18:40.18`	`annma`	`mandrake is easy and installed well on my laptop (versus debian)`
`18:40.38`	`annma`	`geko: I like mdk, that's all`
`18:40.44`	`annma`	`you might like gentoo and slack`
`18:40.51`	`geko`	`ok, dont get mad.`
`18:40.54`	`geko`	`:)`
`18:40.58`	`annma`	`we're all different that's why we have different distros`
`18:41.11`	`annma`	`that's where the freedom comes in as well`
`18:41.24`	`geko`	`yes, i was asking that just for curiousity`
`18:41.40`	`annma`	`I compile kde everyday I don't want to compile the rest`
`18:41.53`	`geko`	`i use linux only for a half a year`
`18:42.12`	`annma`	`be prudent with gentoo`
`18:42.13`	`geko`	`but i hate kde from the begining`
`18:42.27`	`geko`	`im just doing my opinion`
`18:42.31`	`annma`	`and do you like anyhting else/`
`18:42.34`	`geko`	`dot want to be rude!`
`18:42.38`	`annma`	`but you are`
`18:42.44`	`annma`	`anyway`
`18:42.50`	`geko`	`sorry`
`18:42.58`	`annma`	`as I am a kde developer`
`18:42.59`	`geko`	`i'm not a good english speaker`
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`18:43.07`	`diegows`	`hi again`
`18:43.34`	`geko`	`annma: i dont like the philosofy, but i know it is important for some kind of users!`
`18:43.35`	`sredna`	`geko: So, if you hate kde don't use it`
`18:43.40`	`diegows`	`i use kdm and when i start a gnome-session all is in english`
`18:43.48`	`diegows`	`but, with gdm all is in spanish`
`18:44.06`	`geko`	`sredna: that what i do, but im not saying kde is useless!!`
`18:44.07`	`annma`	`the philosophy of what?`
`18:44.12`	`sredna`	`diegows: Look at the commands that start the session then`
`18:44.13`	`diegows`	`the kdm is in spanish`
`18:44.19`	`geko`	`kde will kill windows..`
`18:44.24`	`geko`	`annma: user friendly`
`18:44.25`	`annma`	`if you don't use kde you don't need to be there, geko`
`18:44.36`	`annma`	`that's fine, geko`
`18:44.41`	`annma`	`thanks and bye`
`18:44.51`	`geko`	`i think im being miss understood`
`18:44.53`	`sredna`	`diegows: It pobably misses setting the locale for your login shell`
`18:45.11`	`annma`	`anyway, geko, we don`
`18:45.16`	`annma`	`t need your opinion`
`18:45.32`	`diegows`	`sredna, locale is fine`
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`18:45.35`	`annma`	`if you have some precise things to submit, the bugs database is there`
`18:45.54`	`diegows`	`the variables LANG is set to es_AR.UTF-8`
`18:45.56`	`annma`	`in this channel we don't want to speak about how some people don't like kde`
`18:46.06`	`sredna`	`diegows: Well, there has to be some difference in how it is started`
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`18:46.34`	`StR`	`hi there...`
`18:46.39`	`sredna`	`diegows: I know absolutely nothing about gnome though, I didnt use gnome in this century. So you better ask in #gnome`
`18:46.49`	`StR`	`there was a way to make gnome apps look like KDE... how was it?`
`18:46.53`	`lippel`	`annma: except its constructive ;-)`
`18:47.10`	`annma`	`lippel: it is rarely`
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`18:47.11`	`lippel`	`more constructive than "I hate KDE"`
`18:47.11`	`diegows`	`sredna, but gnome is in spanish if a start with gdm`
`18:47.42`	`sredna`	`diegows: If the locase is set, I don't know what else to say.`
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`18:47.45`	`Tm_T`	`uh, Kingston Wall & absinthe, well now I'm wasted`
`18:48.08`	`diegows`	`sredna, ok... thanks`
`18:48.18`	`sredna`	`>> everybody should just use windows, then we wouldn't have all those flamewars << :o`
`18:48.40`	`Tm_T`	`haha`
`18:49.08`	`Theory`	`sredna: ah, but which version?`
`18:49.20`	`lippel`	`sredna: no, then we would discuss "luna sucks, classic style rulez"`
`18:49.23`	`lippel`	`or something like that`
`18:49.28`	`sredna`	`Theory: Is there a difference?`
`18:49.47`	`sredna`	`They are all controled by hackers anyway`
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`18:50.13`	`sredna`	`Why doesn't emails have a encoding header or information?`
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`18:51.09`	`lippel`	`sredna: there is Content-Type`
`18:51.27`	`sredna`	`lippel: Yea, I just checked. Kmail is well behaved it seems`
`18:51.44`	`sredna`	`Just I sometimes gets mail that fails providing`
`18:53.05`	`lippel`	`hmm, what kind of political statement is there in hazel_'s part message?`
`18:56.24`	`sredna`	`lippel: ?`
`18:56.44`	`sredna`	`Oh :)`
`18:56.44`	`lippel`	`sredna: [20:52:47] <-- hazel_ has left this server. ("El hijo bastardo de hitler se llama Ariel Sharon!! Con la lengua en el culo europa cierra el ataud")`
`18:57.02`	`annma`	`does not seem a compliment`
`18:57.07`	`sredna`	`My spaniosh is limited to 'two beers' (and I can't write that)`
`18:57.08`	`lippel`	`something with hitler and sharon in one sentence, can't be a good one`
`19:02.25`	`Alethes`	`can't be remotely accurate either`
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`19:03.33`	`Alethes`	`it basically says Ariel Sharon is the bastard son of Hilter`
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`19:04.49`	`sredna`	`They just need to make bush his uncle too, and they are about there :o`
`19:05.27`	`eeanm`	`hehe, reminds me of the Daily Show.`
`19:05.33`	`Alethes`	`yeah, 'cause Sharon and Bush have the same goal -- the extermination of the Jews`
`19:05.37`	`Theory`	`which bush?`
`19:05.40`	`Alethes`	`</sarcasm>`
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`19:06.21`	`Alethes`	`I think it's pretty obvious which Bush we're talking about`
`19:06.22`	`MaNI`	`i add a cvs repository with cervisia`
`19:06.28`	`MaNI`	`and when i click login no password box pops up`
`19:06.31`	`eeanm`	`Theory: the twins. They're hot.`
`19:06.32`	`MaNI`	`whats wrong? ;/`
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`19:06.51`	`_poison`	`heeeeeeeeeeeelp =/`
`19:06.54`	`_poison`	`g`
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`19:07.34`	`sredna`	`eeanm: So you don't log in`
`19:07.48`	`eeanm`	`no, I use SSH`
`19:08.05`	`_poison`	`I just tried to apply a simple filter in kmail to move some mails from a mailinglist to a subfolder ... it crashes kmail and the mails that should be moved have been duplicated in my inbox =/`
`19:08.43`	`annma`	`_poison: hmm, weird. works well here`
`19:08.51`	`annma`	`kde 3.4?`
`19:09.08`	`sredna`	`_poison: There is a button to remove dubs`
`19:09.26`	`_poison`	`annma: yes ... I marked all messages in my inbox (about 300) (ctrl+a) and chose apply filter from the context menu`
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`19:11.44`	`_poison`	`annma: it happend everytime I try ... I tried 3 times ... I have 6 copies of each mail (which make a inbox of ~800) ....`
`19:11.56`	`annma`	`hmmm`
`19:11.57`	`Alethes`	`hey`
`19:11.59`	`Alethes`	`I have an idea`
`19:12.01`	`Alethes`	`stop doing that`
`19:12.02`	`Alethes`	`:P`
`19:12.06`	`annma`	`seems bad install`
`19:12.08`	`annma`	`Alethes: lol`
`19:12.24`	`_poison`	`sredna: I'm afraid to use that button after this experience ... =P`
`19:12.52`	`sredna`	`Back up your mail folder`
`19:13.16`	`_poison`	`sredna: k ... that worked ...`
`19:13.23`	`sredna`	`:)`
`19:15.16`	`_poison`	`ok ... this is gross ... now I marked all again ... applied the filter and suddenly have a lot of messages with subject: No Subject, Sender: Unknown, Date: unknown, Size: 97 bytes .... but the amount of emails stayed the same :'(`
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`19:16.24`	`Julianyus`	`hi`
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`19:23.17`	`_poison`	`oh cool ... and it deleted a lot of my messages`
`19:23.30`	`_poison`	`argh`
`19:23.40`	`sredna`	`Did you back up, as I suggested?`
`19:23.48`	`_poison`	`sredna: yes ...`
`19:23.58`	`sredna`	`Good :)`
`19:24.30`	`sredna`	`I can say that such actions works flawlessly here btw (cvs head, kmail is from around the release of 3.4)`
`19:24.53`	`_poison`	`sredna: oh ... wait .... wasn't there something KDE 3.4 doesn't use /home/$USER/Mail anymore ?`
`19:25.06`	`sredna`	`My mail goes there`
`19:25.24`	`Theory`	`new installs only I thought`
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`19:27.36`	`SteamedPenguin`	`nice`
`19:27.44`	`SteamedPenguin`	`kaffeine 0.6 rocks.`
`19:29.10`	`_poison`	`~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail would have been the right folder to copy ...`
`19:29.20`	`bipolar`	`Can someone help me with the groupwise wizard? I'm trying to figure out what port to use to connect Kontact to groupwise. The default port 8201 is not familiar to me. The offical groupwise client uses port 1677.`
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`19:29.56`	`ChamWRK`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:30.10`	`ChamWRK`	`running Suse 9.3 with KDE 3.4`
`19:30.12`	`sredna`	`SteamedPenguin: Kaboodle is really meant for playing on file, it's mush faster loaded etc`
`19:30.24`	`sredna`	`It's really nice for use from within konqueror for example`
`19:30.52`	`ChamWRK`	`i'm stumped here, have no idea what i'm missing`
`19:31.05`	`SteamedPenguin`	`sredna: except it won't talk to xine`
`19:31.09`	`SteamedPenguin`	`for some reason`
`19:31.35`	`sredna`	`SteamedPenguin: I'm not sure it uses xine`
`19:32.00`	`SteamedPenguin`	`sredna: [ebuild N ] kde-base/kaboodle-3.4.0 +arts +audiofile -debug +kdeenablefinal -kdexdeltas +xine -xinerama 0 kB`
`19:32.06`	`SteamedPenguin`	`it would keep crashing`
`19:32.11`	`SteamedPenguin`	`noatun too for that matter`
`19:32.11`	`sredna`	`Hm, ok`
`19:32.42`	`SteamedPenguin`	`:)`
`19:32.47`	`sredna`	`I never tried kaffeine, I tend to use kmplayer with mplayer rather than somethign xine-based`
`19:33.19`	`ChamWRK`	`i may end up doing that`
`19:33.20`	`sredna`	`(kmplayer is a kpart, and supports mplayer, xine, gstreamer)`
`19:39.20`	`eros`	`anyone has any GUI idea on the Dialog for GetHotNewStuff ??`
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`19:39.46`	`annma`	`eros: what do you mean, GUI ideas?`
`19:39.50`	`annma`	`to change it?`
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`19:40.18`	`eros`	`I am implementing mine for kpdf.. I think that the existing isn't suited for our usage`
`19:40.27`	`eros`	`(kinda sucks imho)`
`19:40.42`	`annma`	`ask aseigo`
`19:40.48`	`aseigo`	`no, don't.`
`19:40.50`	`annma`	`he made a mockup of one`
`19:40.53`	`aseigo`	`er, i mean.`
`19:40.57`	`annma`	`hiya :)`
`19:41.12`	`aseigo`	`hey =)`
`19:41.23`	`aseigo`	`yeah, i think eros is already aware of my mockup`
`19:41.34`	`annma`	`;) ok`
`19:41.46`	`annma`	`but he does not want it?`
`19:41.56`	`aseigo`	`i have no idea. ask him =)`
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`19:42.21`	`eros`	`aseigo: I'm coding based on your great mockup`
`19:42.39`	`eros`	`aseigo: I'm just wondering if anybody in here as more fresh new ideas`
`19:43.06`	`annma`	`I like aaron's mockup, eros`
`19:43.11`	`Alethes`	`aseigo: ever notice how konq tends to flicker when content is changed with javacript (like with innerHTML or with changing the display property)?`
`19:43.20`	`annma`	`in any case I am just not able to design anything`
`19:43.29`	`Alethes`	`also, notice how the page goes blank when waiting for another page to load?`
`19:43.57`	`Alethes`	`it seems that khtml is doing something reversed -- it seems the new content should be loaded before the old content is cleared out`
`19:44.03`	`eros`	`annma: me too! but if anybody has more ideas, please tell me now (while I'm planning implementation)`
`19:44.20`	`Alethes`	`but it's clearing the old content before the new content is available, so you get a white page, or a flicker`
`19:44.32`	`annma`	`as I remember it aseigo's stuff was clean`
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`19:46.10`	`bifeo_work`	`howdy doo`
`19:47.07`	`bifeo_work`	`is there a 'tile windows vert/horiz' in kde somewhere?`
`19:48.24`	`aseigo`	`there's a "cascade" and "unclutter" in the desktop context menu`
`19:48.51`	`bifeo_work`	`i see`
`19:48.53`	`bifeo_work`	`i'll try :-)`
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`19:50.37`	`eros`	`aseigo: annma: now I know what can be added to GHNS: how about getting stuff from different language? or have 2 or 3 or more depths in the contents tree? (now depth is only 1!)`
`19:51.13`	`annma`	`eros: I never got that part well, the i18n`
`19:51.39`	`annma`	`that and the server problem`
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`19:51.49`	`annma`	`eros: where will you put your stuff?`
`19:51.53`	`aseigo`	`different language would be cool ... i don't know about the multidepth tree... keeping it simple would be nice =) the drop down at the upper left is actually meant to provide a "second level" of hierarchy though`
`19:52.41`	`eros`	`aseigo: exactly.. but I'mplementing this 2nd level using "providers.xml" (if you know what it is..)`
`19:52.50`	`eros`	`annma: on a server where I can 'write' by now`
`19:53.26`	`eros`	`aseigo: but think at "choosing narrative books in 'klingonian' for example' or "painting books in spanish" or "programming/QT/*" books`
`19:53.37`	`annma`	`eros: an independant server? not a kde one?`
`19:53.42`	`eros`	`aseigo: oh.. I'm implementing that in kpdf of course`
`19:53.47`	`annma`	`eros: yur own server?`
`19:54.34`	`eros`	`annma: I don't own it.. it's on my university, 10% downtime :-) but the GHNS XMLs can go grabbing resources directly where they are, so I'll link books from all over the web`
`19:54.49`	`annma`	`hmmm`
`19:55.02`	`annma`	`this server problem must be solved`
`19:55.11`	`annma`	`what when you are not in uni anymore?`
`19:55.32`	`annma`	`we should get a server for KHS`
`19:55.44`	`eros`	`annma: true.. what about kstuff.kde.org ?`
`19:56.05`	`annma`	`yes`
`19:56.22`	`annma`	`I am currently stuck about the server`
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`19:56.59`	`eros`	`annma: are you having GHNS troubles too?`
`19:57.20`	`annma`	`eros: I put my stuff on cvs in www module which sucks big time`
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`19:59.56`	`eros`	`annma: in fact I'm a bit luckier since we (Albert and me) have kpdf site hosted in a bigger space.. so we (maybe) should upload heavy stuff there`
`20:04.01`	`annma`	`the concern from kde is about the server not being available anymore`
`20:04.25`	`annma`	`kpdf is not on a kde server?`
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`20:05.02`	`eros`	`it's mirrored on another server`
`20:05.10`	`eros`	`kpdf.kde.org isn't on a kde server`
`20:05.31`	`eros`	`www.kde.org/apps/kpdf is`
`20:06.15`	`annma`	`in any case, as KGHS is speading a solution should be found`
`20:06.23`	`annma`	`about servers and translations`
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`20:09.36`	`annma`	`eros: is the Rated thing needed?`
`20:09.44`	`annma`	`or most downloaded?`
`20:09.51`	`annma`	`who cares about that?`
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`20:11.40`	`eros`	`annma: I'll set rating by hand :-) and ... no most downloaded`
`20:11.56`	`annma`	`:)`
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`20:14.17`	`Arthaey`	`how can I remove the keyboard shortcut Ctrl+Alt+N from locking the session? I don't see it set to that in the Control Center, and I don't see it in the config files in ~/.kde or /etc/kde`
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`20:16.56`	`annma`	`it's Ctrl-Alt-L here`
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`20:17.06`	`sredna`	`Arthaey: It's in the global shortcuts section`
`20:17.21`	`quentin`	`hello! kmail does not filter the spam.... really, nothing is deleted even if the small icon in the topic of the mail idicates the "yellow" level`
`20:17.56`	`annma`	`Arthaey: KControl -> Regional & accessibility -> keyboard shortcuts`
`20:18.04`	`Arthaey`	`I grepped for "Alt+" in /etc/kdeglobals and in ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals, but there was nothing using +N in either`
`20:18.09`	`annma`	`-> Global shortcuts`
`20:18.15`	`annma`	`look in kcontrol`
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`20:19.02`	`annma`	`in Desktop, it's called "lock session"`
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`20:19.13`	`devurandom`	`Hi!`
`20:19.27`	`Arthaey`	`annma: I see it. It only says Alt+Ctrl+L for Lock Session. No alternate shortcut, either.`
`20:19.47`	`devurandom`	`I need a small app that can display me network activity, like the small icon in the windows systray does.`
`20:20.00`	`annma`	`so look for Alt-Ctrl-N`
`20:20.06`	`sredna`	`devurandom: I use knetload`
`20:20.18`	`devurandom`	`sredna: thx, I'll try it.`
`20:20.33`	`annma`	`Arthaey: does Alt-Ctrl-N work in all kde apps?`
`20:20.41`	`annma`	`does it lock in all kde apps?`
`20:21.02`	`Arthaey`	`annma: I looked at all the entries. No N anywhere.`
`20:21.10`	`annma`	`Arthaey: does Alt-Ctrl-N work in all kde apps?`
`20:21.12`	`Arthaey`	`annma: Yes, it locks all apps.`
`20:21.23`	`annma`	`very weird then`
`20:21.35`	`annma`	`when you type N does it type L?`
`20:21.35`	`Arthaey`	`annma: I agree. That's why I came asking here. :)`
`20:21.58`	`annma`	`does it do that in a new kde install?`
`20:22.01`	`quentin`	`how can i tell kmail to filter the spam out?`
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`20:22.09`	`annma`	`or did that come suddenly?`
`20:22.15`	`annma`	`did you try a new user?`
`20:22.28`	`Arthaey`	`annma: well, damn, that's interesting. I use Dvorak, and the key that's N in Dvorak is L in Qwerty.`
`20:22.36`	`annma`	`quentin: with spamassassin for ex, see kmail website`
`20:22.43`	`sredna`	`quentin: Kmail has a wizard to add support for external filters like spamassassin or bogofilter`
`20:22.45`	`annma`	`Arthaey: ah, see`
`20:23.01`	`Paleo`	`any suggestion for a new mail notification program ? Like kbiff but more evolved`
`20:23.09`	`quentin`	`sredna, yes, but it does not delete the spam`
`20:23.17`	`Arthaey`	`annma: so... I that actually a bug in kde? That doesn't seem like correct behavior to me.`
`20:23.31`	`quentin`	`the spam-idicator in the mail shows the green or yellow level, but nothing ist ldeleted`
`20:23.34`	`annma`	`Arthaey: what kde version?`
`20:23.35`	`sredna`	`quentin: Move it to the trash folder, and have that cleaned up on exit`
`20:23.49`	`annma`	`Arthaey: let me see if I can reproduce it`
`20:23.54`	`Arthaey`	`annma: 3.3. Haven't upgraded to 3.4 yet.`
`20:23.58`	`annma`	`ohh`
`20:24.00`	`annma`	`too old`
`20:24.06`	`annma`	`let me see in kde 3.4`
`20:24.23`	`sredna`	`quentin: You must have the filter move the spam to the trash folder if the spam level is above some level that you chose`
`20:24.25`	`quentin`	`sredna, kmail will remember what i put into my trash???`
`20:24.44`	`sredna`	`quentin: Kmails trash folder`
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`20:25.31`	`annma`	`Arthaey: what is the L key in dvorak?`
`20:25.35`	`annma`	`where is it?`
`20:25.40`	`Arthaey`	`annma: P`
`20:26.05`	`annma`	`Arthaey: when you use another virtual keyboar it takes that mapping`
`20:26.22`	`annma`	`there's no bug here`
`20:26.27`	`annma`	`so you understand?`
`20:26.49`	`Arthaey`	`annma: not quite`
`20:27.11`	`annma`	`can it know what keyboard you actually have?`
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`20:27.54`	`Arthaey`	`annma: there are bugs at bugs.kde.org that sound like what I'm experiencing`
`20:27.55`	`devurandom`	`sredna: thx, looks a bit ugly, but works well. (Is there a way to change the black background?)`
`20:28.12`	`annma`	`Arthaey: when you type Ctrl-Alt-L it locks as it should`
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`20:28.32`	`annma`	`except as you don't have the real keyboard you type Ctrl-Alt-P`
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`20:28.57`	`annma`	`but how would kde know what real keyboard you have?`
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`20:29.00`	`sredna`	`devurandom: Not in my version, which is old`
`20:29.11`	`devurandom`	`sredna: k`
`20:29.12`	`sredna`	`devurandom: But I'm sure there is at least one alternative`
`20:29.23`	`devurandom`	`Alternative program?`
`20:29.29`	`sredna`	`Yes`
`20:29.33`	`sredna`	`Look at kde-apps.org`
`20:29.35`	`Arthaey`	`annma: okay, I understand why it does what it does from a programming POV. That doesn't mean, however, that it's doing what's expected of it from the user's POV. :)`
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`20:29.46`	`devurandom`	`sredna: That's an idea.`
`20:29.46`	`annma`	`well yes it is`
`20:30.15`	`Arthaey`	`annma: I'm actually surprised I never noticed this before`
`20:31.03`	`annma`	`well I did as I frequentkly use many keyboards mappings`
`20:32.14`	`annma`	`you are expected to know the keyboard`
`20:32.22`	`annma`	`as it behaves as such`
`20:32.30`	`chmeee`	`is there a way to prevent konqueror from littering /tmp/kde-$USER with konqueror*.tmp.part files? I'm forced to periodically clean out that directory or the filesystem fills up (/tmp is a 256MB filesystem)`
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`20:33.03`	`agnes`	`hey all!`
`20:33.05`	`annma`	`Arthaey: I was almost joking when I asked if L typed N`
`20:33.10`	`annma`	`hi agnes`
`20:33.20`	`Arthaey`	`annma: I do touch typing. That's why I didn't notice Dvorak's N is Qwerty L. I had to look down at the keyboard to notice. :)`
`20:33.26`	`devurandom`	`sredna: KNemo looks a bit better... Thanks for the tip.`
`20:33.33`	`sredna`	`:)`
`20:33.35`	`agnes`	`for some reason, kaffeine seems to be insisting on taking all my rtsp:// files (i.e., embedded in pages).. how can I stop that behaviour?`
`20:33.40`	`Arthaey`	`annma: most of the shortcuts I use happen to involve the funtion keys or the keypad`
`20:33.47`	`annma`	`devurandom: argh, KNemo does not install correctly`
`20:33.52`	`annma`	`devurandom: I just tested it`
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`20:34.03`	`annma`	`Arthaey: ok`
`20:34.22`	`annma`	`Arthaey: I was just pushing kdeedu apps as that's my field in kde`
`20:34.27`	`devurandom`	`annma: I don't know, yet. But as it is marked stable on Gentoo I suggest they patched it.`
`20:34.27`	`annma`	`;-)`
`20:34.41`	`annma`	`devurandom: ok, you tell me after you install it, OK?`
`20:34.42`	`Arthaey`	`annma: heh, gotcha. :)`
`20:34.43`	`sredna`	`agnes: Probably your file associations, which are pr mimetype, not pr protocol.`
`20:34.58`	`devurandom`	`annma: k`
`20:35.30`	`sredna`	`agnes: Uhm, wait - I guess kaffeine installes a protocol handler actually, since kde does not support rtsp:/ pr default`
`20:35.33`	`Arthaey`	`annma: I guess I'll fix it from the other end and make the program that wants to capture the Ctrl+Alt+N use something else instead. Thanks for the help.`
`20:35.40`	`agnes`	`yep..`
`20:35.42`	`sredna`	`agnes: So you can find the protocol handler and edit it`
`20:35.52`	`annma`	`Arthaey: you're welcome`
`20:35.53`	`agnes`	`<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">`
`20:35.53`	`agnes`	`<body>Use Kaffeine as helper application for rtsp:// (Real Media and others)</body>`
`20:36.00`	`agnes`	`sredna: doh!`
`20:36.09`	`agnes`	`in any case, I found that on the web..`
`20:36.18`	`agnes`	`sredna: how an I edit the "protocol handler"?`
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`20:36.29`	`chmeee`	`anyone?`
`20:36.40`	`devurandom`	`annma: Did you know this: "KNemo is not an executable but an KDED service." ?`
`20:37.04`	`annma`	`devurandom: hmm, it's an applet, no?`
`20:37.17`	`annma`	`devurandom: whatever it is, the question is how to run it?`
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`20:37.22`	`sredna`	`agnes: It's small file, likely $(kde-config --prefix)/share/services/rtsp.protocol`
`20:37.24`	`annma`	`from the user point of view`
`20:37.33`	`devurandom`	`annma: Open KControl and go to Internet/NetworkMon`
`20:38.19`	`annma`	`devurandom: I need to reinstall it`
`20:38.19`	`sredna`	`agnes: If you open it with a editor, you can simply put a different command in it. I don't know if there is a way to define how to embed files though`
`20:39.06`	`agnes`	`sredna: Thank you kindly!`
`20:39.11`	`sredna`	`Np :)`
`20:39.16`	`agnes`	`sredna: do I have to relogin?`
`20:39.26`	`sredna`	`Uhm, I think not`
`20:39.37`	`sredna`	`Maybe run kbuildsycoca`
`20:39.43`	`annma`	`devurandom: where is it?`
`20:39.58`	`devurandom`	`annma: KControl...`
`20:40.06`	`annma`	`I am there`
`20:40.07`	`devurandom`	`annma: Internet/Network`
`20:40.11`	`annma`	`yes`
`20:40.20`	`devurandom`	`annma: And: Components/Services`
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`20:41.12`	`annma`	`I don't see that tab`
`20:41.20`	`annma`	`what's above it?`
`20:41.25`	`annma`	`I have kde 3.4`
`20:41.37`	`devurandom`	`annma: Me too. But german.`
`20:41.45`	`devurandom`	`so this wont help you.`
`20:42.12`	`annma`	`what's the icon?`
`20:42.28`	`annma`	`does it have other things than KNemo?`
`20:42.30`	`devurandom`	`There is a folder in KControl called KDE-Components, inside is a flag-icon, called services.`
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`20:43.14`	`devurandom`	`There you can set up all kde services, like kwallet, printer-deamon ...`
`20:43.20`	`annma`	`oh, I found it in the services, yes`
`20:43.27`	`annma`	`well hidden`
`20:43.31`	`devurandom`	`g`
`20:43.35`	`annma`	`the user told me it was an applet`
`20:43.46`	`devurandom`	`You found the other settings, too?`
`20:43.51`	`annma`	`no`
`20:44.39`	`devurandom`	`There is the world-icon, called Internet & Network, here. Inside is a similar icon, called Network Monitor`
`20:45.21`	`annma`	`it seems it did not install then`
`20:46.01`	`devurandom`	`When you apply the services page, you should get a popup...`
`20:46.29`	`annma`	`yes`
`20:46.46`	`annma`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:46.47`	`devurandom`	`Thats everything...`
`20:47.06`	`annma`	`I have nothing in Internet & Network`
`20:47.10`	`annma`	`only the service`
`20:47.20`	`X-The`	`annma: hi`
`20:47.25`	`annma`	`in Service Manger`
`20:47.31`	`annma`	`hi X-The`
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`20:48.54`	`X-The`	`its a goallllllllllllll`
`20:48.58`	`X-The`	`goaooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllll`
`20:49.03`	`X-The`	`uauuuuuuuu`
`20:49.12`	`X-The`	`Sporting is in the mead final`
`20:49.18`	`X-The`	`UEFA mead final`
`20:49.23`	`X-The`	`3-1 wining to newcastle`
`20:49.26`	`annma`	`devurandom: it's not there for me`
`20:49.35`	`devurandom`	`annma: Bad luck. :(`
`20:49.40`	`annma`	`so it seems yours is patched and source does not install correctly`
`20:49.48`	`devurandom`	`annma: It is not...`
`20:49.56`	`devurandom`	`annma: I looked for it.`
`20:50.10`	`annma`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:50.13`	`annma`	`that one`
`20:50.20`	`devurandom`	`annma: It even hasn't own compilation-code. It uses the standard kde-code...`
`20:50.39`	`annma`	`weird`
`20:50.54`	`annma`	`I have kde post 3.4`
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`20:51.56`	`devurandom`	`annma: I'll give you a list of all files it installed...`
`20:54.20`	`annma`	`same than here`
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`20:54.34`	`annma`	`weird, maybe it's a bug in cvs HEAD`
`20:54.54`	`devurandom`	`hmmm...`
`20:55.14`	`annma`	`it happens that things are shaky`
`20:55.35`	`sredna`	`Night *`
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`20:57.00`	`devurandom`	`annma: Not even the icon in the "systray"?`
`20:57.18`	`plusmehr`	`some problems with look and feel in kde`
`20:57.23`	`annma`	`usr/share/applnk/Settings/Network/kcm_knemo.desktop seems it's not Network but Internet`
`20:57.54`	`annma`	`I don't have any Network folder in my $KDEDIR/share/applnk/Settings`
`20:58.12`	`annma`	`hmm, yes I have`
`20:58.17`	`plusmehr`	`I would like to have a mac, could some tell how I make this`
`20:59.08`	`annma`	`so the configure dialog from services is the one I should have in Internet & Network`
`21:01.41`	`annma`	`hmm, I restarted kcntrol and it's there!`
`21:01.49`	`annma`	`stupid me`
`21:02.06`	`annma`	`anyway you made me learn about seervices`
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`21:03.37`	`plusmehr`	`someone know the roadmap for KDE3.5 ?`
`21:04.00`	`Slackman`	`plusmehr: is there going to be 3.5 or is it straight to 4?`
`21:04.56`	`plusmehr`	`I don't know, but I thinks it's to eraly or what do you think?`
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`21:10.06`	`Slackman`	`plusmehr: i guess it depends on how quick QT 4 moves out of beta2`
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`21:11.35`	`kypor`	`hello .. I don't know if this is a problem with KDE or Cedega, but when I try to play a game, the window goes small and to the upper left side of the desktop, making the rest of the desktop black`
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`21:12.16`	`kypor`	`also when I try to change resolution setings with KDE, it does the same with the Desktop`
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`21:13.47`	`plusmehr`	`slackman: QT 4 beta was released yesterday,`
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`21:18.39`	`kypor`	`hello ... problem with KDE3.4 Desktop settings. Lower Resolution change = small screen`
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`21:34.56`	`Satan-`	`I still havent fixed my own problem, out of range refresh rate error on my LCD the moment i leave lilo....but heres the thing! ive made progress! i noticed i can see it just fine on my tv out on my tv...but not on my LCD in here! which pisses me off.`
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`21:35.55`	`agnes`	`hey all!`
`21:36.06`	`agnes`	`I'm getting really frustrated by kaffeine.. it insists on playing EVERYTHING!`
`21:36.38`	`SteamedPenguin`	`agnes: ?`
`21:37.42`	`MrGrim`	`the first time kaffeine is run it asks what you want it to handle iirc`
`21:37.51`	`agnes`	`SteamedPenguin: sorry.. I mean to say that I can't stop kaffeine! unless I uninstall it.. how can I figure out all the places it's playing? e.g. it's taking over .rm files, but my file associations for .rm files don't show that..`
`21:37.51`	`MrGrim`	`tho, unfortauntely, I don't see a ui for changing that after the fact`
`21:38.00`	`MrGrim`	`agnes: you will have to edit the file associations by hand`
`21:38.17`	`agnes`	`MrGrim: where can I find that?`
`21:38.32`	`MrGrim`	`there might be a second mime type associated with rm files`
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`21:39.21`	`agnes`	`MrGrim: and how can I track that down?`
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`21:40.11`	`SteamedPenguin`	`agnes: your fille association should be: x-pn-realaudio`
`21:40.24`	`SteamedPenguin`	`and it is editable from the file association manage in KControl`
`21:40.40`	`agnes`	`steamed: no such file association..`
`21:41.25`	`agnes`	`SteamedPenguin: weird.. when I did a search, it didn't find it..`
`21:41.30`	`agnes`	`but it's there upon manual navigation..`
`21:41.30`	`agnes`	`thanks`
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`21:43.57`	`avuton`	`Is gmail/javascript and konqueror not working in 3.4?`
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`21:49.33`	`real`	`hi, on certain windows, like firefox, the moment i move my mouse out of it, it shades, what setting makes it do that? its so annoying`
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`21:55.02`	`chmeee`	`is there a way to prevent konqueror from littering /tmp/kde-$USER with konqueror*.tmp.part files? I'm forced to periodically clean out that directory or the filesystem fills up (/tmp is a 256MB filesystem)`
`21:55.03`	`kanuha`	`Can anyone tell me what the name of the applet for KDE is that shows your network connection?`
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`21:58.26`	`SteamedPenguin`	`chmeee: run a cron job?`
`21:58.34`	`narg`	`hrm... anyone use ksmoothdock in here?`
`21:59.16`	`chmeee`	`SteamedPenguin: I've thought of that`
`21:59.27`	`chmeee`	`I'm just curious to know if there's a 'cleaner' way of doing it`
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`22:04.15`	`RyuKojiro`	`Is there a "KDM"?`
`22:04.46`	`Theory`	`narg: yes, though not on this machine`
`22:04.50`	`RyuKojiro`	`And which is more lightweight (honestly) KDE or Gnome?`
`22:04.59`	`narg`	`is there any way to make it autohide?`
`22:05.05`	`chmeee`	`RyuKojiro: yes, there's a KDM, called, brilliantly enough... kdm`
`22:05.12`	`RyuKojiro`	`Just making sure`
`22:05.20`	`RyuKojiro`	`(Not a KDE user, yet)`
`22:05.30`	`chmeee`	`I can't compare KDE to Gnome unbiased though`
`22:05.36`	`RyuKojiro`	`lol`
`22:05.38`	`RyuKojiro`	`Okay`
`22:05.41`	`Theory`	`narg: not that i knoq of`
`22:05.47`	`narg`	`meh`
`22:05.50`	`chmeee`	`my first experience with Gnome was with 1.2 or so, where it sucked, and KDE was good`
`22:05.57`	`chmeee`	`and so I've stuck with KDE`
`22:05.58`	`RyuKojiro`	`Ah`
`22:06.05`	`RyuKojiro`	`Hmmmm`
`22:06.08`	`RyuKojiro`	`Okay`
`22:06.12`	`RyuKojiro`	`Well, thanks`
`22:06.13`	`chmeee`	`I also find Qt a nicer toolkit than Gtk`
`22:06.17`	`chmeee`	`so that's my other bias`
`22:06.21`	`RyuKojiro`	`Qt?`
`22:06.31`	`chmeee`	`the GUI toolkit that KDE uses`
`22:06.37`	`RyuKojiro`	`Never heard of it`
`22:06.45`	`RyuKojiro`	`I will have to take a look`
`22:07.02`	`chmeee`	`it's a graphical toolkit, like Gtk+, only completely in c++`
`22:07.09`	`RyuKojiro`	`Hmmm`
`22:07.11`	`RyuKojiro`	`Okay`
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`22:08.00`	`chmeee`	`heh wow, I helped someone without getting pissed off :P`
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`22:09.46`	`massctrl`	`anyone knows an app that displays the logfile on desktop in real time?`
`22:10.11`	`real`	`tail -f`
`22:10.31`	`real`	`i just run it in transparent aterm`
`22:10.38`	`chmeee`	`massctrl: I don't know of one, but it's not difficult to write one`
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`22:11.34`	`massctrl`	`real: hm true, but then i'm stuck with the widgets and then it's not locked into position`
`22:13.10`	`Theory`	`massctrl: konsole, full screen, hide menubar and tabbar...`
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`22:16.40`	`phlux`	`Need some help with Konqueror`
`22:16.46`	`phlux`	`Java's not working`
`22:16.56`	`phlux`	`Followed the advice on the website and installed SUN's 1.2.2`
`22:17.08`	`phlux`	`just hangs at "loading applet"`
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`22:30.17`	`phlux`	`I know why it's open source...`
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`22:30.22`	`phlux`	`Because you can't get ANY support for it.`
`22:33.29`	`chmeee`	`phlux: I've used java 1.3.1 and 1.4.1 with konqueror just fine`
`22:33.49`	`phlux`	`what's your java path?`
`22:34.02`	`chmeee`	`I don't currently have java installed on that machine`
`22:34.39`	`chmeee`	`phlux: additionally: perhaps the reason you're not getting help is because a) nobody here uses java, or b) those who do are currently idle`
`22:34.50`	`phlux`	`Java applets appear as a big grey block`
`22:35.01`	`phlux`	`so they never finish loading..`
`22:35.46`	`chmeee`	`I've heard of that. I don't remember how I fixed it, since it's been a couple years since that happened`
`22:36.51`	`chmeee`	`sorry I can't be more help`
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`22:37.59`	`chmeee`	`have you checked the debug messages, or if you have debugging disabled, try enabling debugging and checking that?`
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`23:52.36`	`aimaz`	`can anyone tell me how to resolve this "DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket"?`
`23:52.54`	`aimaz`	`the dcopserver appears to be running`
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`23:54.21`	`aimaz`	`also what is the way of setting the proxy server value in kde?`
`23:54.42`	`HuntsMan`	`aimaz: the control center has a module for proxys`
`23:54.52`	`aimaz`	`ok`
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`23:55.46`	`Serpent`	`Am having problems with ksplash and kgreet crashing when starting`
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`23:57.15`	`njaard`	`I'm bored, entertain me`
`23:57.46`	`set`	`I am having major problems with kde-3.4 it keeps crashing when trying to execute kdmgreet and ksplash`
`23:58.04`	`njaard`	`Theory: how about ascii art porn on irc?`
`23:58.15`	`Theory`	`I'd get klined for flooding`
`23:58.24`	`njaard`	`Theory: that's a shame`
`23:59.36`	`njaard`	`what is this?`
`23:59.38`	`njaard`	`people, people`
`23:59.39`	`njaard`	`come on`
`23:59.44`	`set`	`Hi`

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