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00:00.21mpupusarah03: well, you could have a small delay before opening the menus
00:01.00sarah03mpupu: The other thing is that the focus automatically moves over to the submenu.
00:01.16mpupusarah03: and you could also be a slow mouse user (think of a disabled person)
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00:01.44pankey_:D
00:02.26mpupusarah03: well, the focus doesn't move when using the mouse, it could be just the same with a keyboard. You still have to press the right arrow to move down the different menus
00:02.37slayerbobmpupu: the trouble with doing it that way is that once the submenu opened the focus would shift to the submenu which would make navigation a lot more difficult
00:03.21mpupuslayerbob: see my previous sentence :)
00:03.52sarah03slayerbob: Dupe. ;)
00:04.03mpupui'm not trying to be annoying, but i got some complaints and was trying to figure this out
00:06.41sarah03mpupu: Hm, as has been mentioned, it seems like a lot of it has to do with the way menu focusing works.
00:07.08slayerbobthe only way i can see that such a thing would be useful would be if the person was using an unfamiliar system
00:07.33slayerbobif it is their own system they would quickly become familiar with the locations of shortcuts anyways...
00:08.09sarah03Hm. I become familiar with the "Run Command" dialog, myself. :D
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00:10.22mpupusarah03: ok, i'll dig a bit more about this
00:10.45mpupusarah03: basically, the person that complained was trying to setup a kde desktop in a mouse-less PC
00:10.57mpupusarah03: and he didn't have much experience with kde
00:11.20sarah03Mm, *nods*
00:11.31sarah03I don't bother trying to use GUIs on machines lacking mice.
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00:12.19sarah03Most things are accessible using keyboard shortcuts, so it's not generally a big problem, but there are a fair number of things that aren't.
00:12.52sarah03Granted, most of the time, it's not a KDE app that I'm having the issue with, but it's still a reason to have a mouse.
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00:15.40mpupuok, thanks for your help
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00:17.42df00zHmm.
00:17.58df00zanyone have problems with like konqueror locking up/the help database sometimes locking up?
00:18.02illogic-alhttp://www.flowgo.com/funpages/view.cfm/2180
00:18.05df00zit goes to like 99% CPU usage and I have to kill X
00:18.12df00zvia SSh
00:18.22df00zCould it be an X problem?
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00:20.56illogic-alnow all is well with my world.
00:21.29sarah03Hm. I haven't had any issues with Xorg 6.8.1 locking up at me.
00:22.09anhidf00z: same for me
00:22.24anhiusing debian sid + xorg 6.8.2-5 from ubuntu
00:22.25*** part/#kde bhsx (~bhsx@c-67-175-142-179.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
00:22.30df00zHuh.
00:22.31df00zThats odd.
00:22.59anhibut it seams to happen at random for me
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00:23.15df00zKinda same
00:23.17anhigot to do a kill -9 from a box on my lan
00:23.18df00zbut only w/ kde apps
00:23.21df00zSame.
00:23.21df00zYea.
00:23.27df00zBut it only happens w/ kde apps
00:23.29df00zfirefox isnt doing it
00:23.30df00znor gaim
00:23.31df00zxmms etc
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00:24.10anhiwell, it happend 3x on my machine when a non-focused window started flashing
00:25.08illogic-aldf00z: it doesn't have to do w/ kde or not, it depends on the number of open apps
00:25.38df00zThats weird.
00:25.47df00zSo it's an X problem?
00:25.54illogic-also if you open a whole lot of gtks/gnome apps (xchat, gimp and the like) in say fluxbox, the smae thing ashould happen
00:26.20anhiillogic-al: i have no problem running plenty apps at the same time, no matter what apps (even azureus with hashing of large files)
00:26.25illogic-aldf00z: that depends. do you have an nvidia card?
00:26.38df00zyes I do
00:26.48anhisame here
00:26.49illogic-althen yes it is :-)
00:26.52anhiGF4Ti4200
00:26.58anhiusing the nvidia driver + glx
00:27.01illogic-alanhi: you n
00:27.02df00zillogic-al:  So what exactly is it?
00:27.05illogic-alanhi: you n' me both
00:27.13df00zif i start up a bunch of xchats itl lock up?
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00:27.24df00zlike i can open 20 mplayers playing video and its fine
00:27.34df00zkate is fine, kwrite, and normal kde apps
00:27.36illogic-aldf00z: it have something to do with the changes that they put into the X nv_drv.o driver
00:27.47df00zBut I'm not using "nv"
00:27.50df00zim using "nvidia"
00:27.50illogic-alafter/during the 4.4 release
00:27.52df00zso isnt that unrelated?
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00:28.21df00zThe X nv driver isn't very nice :\
00:28.34illogic-aldf00z: it should happen if you use nv as well (but take longer to happen, couple days maybe)
00:28.50anhii'm using the current nvidia driver + kernel 2.6.10
00:29.02df00z"nvidia" ?
00:29.17df00zalso
00:29.22df00zthis is entirly reproducable
00:29.24df00zlike
00:29.25df00zspecificly
00:29.33df00zkate, help, click something
00:29.34df00zlock up
00:29.38illogic-alit however affects the X server regardless of whether nv or nvidia is being used.
00:29.44df00zAh, really?
00:29.50df00zIs it already a reported bug?
00:29.58df00zOr are there any workarounds you know of?
00:30.01illogic-althe only worthwhile fix i found was downgrading X
00:30.02df00zThat's kinda severe
00:30.08df00zHrm.
00:30.18df00zWell its like alsa
00:30.20illogic-aland i've tried _a LOT_ of things
00:30.20df00z1.08 is it
00:30.27df00zReally...
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00:31.45df00zhaha
00:31.50df00zi switched VTs and X die
00:31.51df00zd
00:31.52illogic-althat reminds me, i should be able to use the nvidia driver now. provided of course that it works w/ mm kernels now
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00:32.04df00zIm running love, it works here
00:32.22df00zillogic-al: So now wait though, even if i'm not using the "nv" driver
00:32.27df00zX can break with nvidia cards?
00:33.29df00zHrm
00:33.47df00zlike alsa libs 1.08 are broken too heheh
00:33.54illogic-alas for if the problem is reported, i saw the info i reported in a bug report which and the reply to it was basically that the differences between the nv drivers in 4.3 and 4.4 were so large that it would be too difficult to hunt down the exact cause
00:34.10df00zHrm
00:34.24illogic-aland it didn't affect enough people. so suffer <- /me paraphrases
00:34.26df00zbut, is X affected by the borked "nv" driver if "nv" isnt being used?
00:34.31anhibtw, what would be the best way to make xine borderless, semi-transparent and not showing up in the panel but on the alt-tab menu ?
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00:35.01anhi(using kde 4.3 + xorg 6.8.2)
00:35.15illogic-alanhi: alt+f3 -> Advanced
00:35.33anhiyeah, the special window settings
00:35.33illogic-alNo Border and Special Window Settings
00:35.51anhibut the panel and alt tab stuff i havent figured out yet
00:35.59anhi(plus the transparency)
00:36.12bhsxis there a known bug in konq's download manager?  for large files (maybe all files) it shows 100% through the entire download and just keeps raising the MB complete field
00:36.24bhsxin 2.4.0
00:36.25bhsxbah
00:36.26illogic-albhsx: i've seen that
00:36.28bhsx3.4.0
00:36.38eckharthi
00:36.40illogic-alhaven't reported it though.
00:36.48illogic-aloh well.
00:36.55eckharthow can i create a screenshot from a screen where a menu is open?
00:37.17eckhartmy shortcuts do not work when the menu is popped up
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00:37.44illogic-aluse ksnapshot and make the screen capture time delayed
00:38.06eckhartok, thanks
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00:48.53Vermyndaxdoes anyone here use konqueror with freetextbox?
00:50.08ryanoeWhat is the command to properly mount an SD card through a USB reader in Linux with read/write permissions?
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00:54.53SteamedPenguinryanoe: using fstab or for example, HAL/DBUS ?
00:56.52ryanoeI'd like to use fstab, yep
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01:00.04Static_-X-_ive just installed an .rpm package of some icons, when i go into control center icons and install new theme, nothing seems to work
01:00.12PaleoSteamedPenguin do you know a guide about HAL/DBUS ? i'd like to know more
01:00.21Static_-X-_have i got to do something with the index.theme first
01:04.57canllaithWhat icons and where did they install to ?
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01:06.20Static_-X-_they installed to usr/share/icons/IcOsX
01:06.41Static_-X-_theres a index.desktop in there
01:06.51canllaithWhat is your $KDEDIR ? :)
01:06.55Static_-X-_aswell as all the icons
01:07.05canllaithThey need to get installed to either $KDEHOME/share/icons or $KDEDIR/share/icons
01:07.37Static_-X-_should they be installed where all the other icons are
01:08.07canllaith'all the other icons' ? They should get install to where the KDE icons are. /usr/share/icons is where Gnome puts them isn't it?
01:08.11Static_-X-_opt/kde3/share/icons
01:08.17canllaithYep put them there :)
01:08.18canllaithSuse?
01:08.19*** join/#kde James_k84 (~james@MACKWEST-217.ubishops.ca)
01:08.39canllaithjust cp -R the icosx folder to that location and restart Kcontrol - it should see them.
01:08.52Static_-X-_can i just edit-cut and paste, or have i got to redirect the rpm package install
01:09.01Static_-X-_okay
01:09.02canllaithNo, they're just icons - just copy and paste em.
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01:09.10canllaithor cp -R from the terminal :)
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01:12.51rabbithi
01:14.50SteamedPenguinPaleo: hmm, using gentoo all I did was emerge KDE with HAL support and emerge HAL which brings in DBUS and start the daemons and stuff just works
01:17.26rabbitSteamedPenguin: how do you enable hal support in kde ?
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01:22.18canllaithrabbit: you just need to compile kdebase with the hal + dbus stuff installed
01:22.22canllaiththen it just picks it up
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01:24.05topothi all
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01:24.57rabbitcanllaith: hal must be installed before compiling kdebase ?
01:25.04canllaithyes
01:25.09rabbitok
01:25.18canllaithotherwise support cannot be enabled :)
01:25.24rabbitwill reinstall :)
01:25.56rabbitcanllaith: i there any docs which list features for kde with hal support ?
01:26.14canllaithYknow, if you googled for KDE DBUS HAL you'd have come up with all the answers to your questions.....
01:26.32canllaithhttp://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DBUS
01:26.36canllaithHere is a howto
01:26.39rabbitthank ou
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01:27.16rabbitwell i use hal already, but with gnome daeamon
01:28.00illogic-alah yes. the artifacts. how i have missed thee.
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01:33.50geneo93can anyone tell me where kppp stores secret passwd
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01:36.46Alethesit's a secret
01:37.44canllaithHeya Alethes :)
01:37.49Aletheshowdy :)
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01:38.06geneo93must be cause kppp cant find it in kubuntu
01:38.09Aletheswhat's new?
01:38.50canllaithNot much
01:39.01AlethesI just got in from work
01:39.02canllaithupgrading libxslt and libxml2 to placate crashy kopete
01:39.11Alethesheh
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01:39.35Alethesmy 3.3.2 is stable
01:39.39AlethesI'm not sure I need to update
01:39.46Alethesnot after all the issues I've heard
01:39.48canllaithso don't.
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01:39.58canllaithAlthough most of the issues you're hearing are actually with CVS head.
01:40.02Alethesah
01:40.03canllaithand that's what you expect.
01:40.07Alethesright
01:40.10geneo93hey i have 3.4 and it seems real good
01:40.19canllaithI'm not *using* 3.4, so please don't take any guesses on it's stability from my problems :P
01:40.20AlethesI just hear people saying stuff like "kxyz application doesn't work in 3.4 now"
01:40.45canllaithMost of the time it turns out to be not a KDE problem, but something to do with their configuration
01:40.51Alethesok
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01:40.58canllaithor that they're using gentoo and have used split ebuilds to emerge it - and have not quite got everything they needed
01:41.03Alethesit'll be another year and a half before we see kde4, right?
01:41.07Aletheshaha
01:41.09canllaithI think so yeah
01:41.10mobtekAlethes: I went fine from 3.3.2 to 3.4.0
01:41.14Alethesok
01:41.14mobtekno config probs
01:41.23Aletheswell, I'm probably gonna update fbsd too
01:41.23canllaithOnly problem I had is the old knotifyrc one
01:41.28canllaithif you have that DONT DELETE THE FILE!
01:41.30Alethesso I'll just do it all in one whack
01:41.32canllaithdiff it and send it to me lol
01:43.59AlethesI've been taking a multivitamin, and it's giving me enough energy to come home from work and start on my own stuff
01:44.09canllaith:) Great, glad to hear it
01:44.30canllaithWhich I think is making me sleep better
01:44.36AlethesI drink 3 liters of water a day
01:44.39Alethesand no caffeine
01:44.45canllaithI've never been able to do that, not even in the military.
01:45.10AlethesI've gotten to the point where I actually need it
01:45.18Alethesso when I don't get the water, I feel like crap
01:45.21canllaithMaybe a liter, and the section commander used to get grumpy at me. Out on parade - 'NICHOLSON! I haven't seen you drink anything yet today, DRINK!'
01:45.32slayerbobLOL
01:45.32Aletheshehe
01:45.37slayerbobthat sounds familiar
01:45.47canllaithheh
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01:46.00canllaithWell, I'm bein a good girl now and I think I feel a bit better already after only two days.
01:46.26Alethesman, King Crimson rocks
01:46.31AlethesI haven't listened to this in ages
01:47.07AlethesI never did try that
01:47.31AlethesI didn't really use packages much, except for my own that did with checkinstall for easy uninstall
01:47.58canllaithI use slackware-current updates and only those for some very important things
01:48.00canllaithlike glibc.
01:48.17canllaithI'd hate to install latest stable version from sources without it going through Pat's test & package cycle.
01:48.20geneo93Alethes:  yeah we had all the good music in my day
01:48.23canllaithand finding there was a nasty bug or something
01:49.06canllaithSo I've now heard of 4 mac users tell me they think the latest KDE is very nice, flash, sexy, pretty fonts etc
01:49.31AlethesI have a friend who used to use linux, who now uses OSX only, and can't stand X
01:49.36geneo93kde 3.4 is fast also
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01:50.17canllaithAll KDE has been pretty fast.
01:50.27canllaithThis is just as fast as 3.1.4 and has so many more features, that is an achievement.
01:51.13AlethesI'm thinking I'm gonna have to find a replacement for artsd, 'cause it's a cpu hog for me
01:51.20Alethesit idles at 8+%
01:51.43Aletheswhich is just stupid, but I think it's a fbsd issue
01:51.46geneo93canllaith:  i've been using kde for 6 yrs and this is best by far
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01:54.14AlethesMahavishnu Orchestra is next
01:54.20AlethesI'm in a prog mood hehe
01:54.26Alethesalthough MO is more fusion
01:55.22geneo93watching tvtime here
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01:57.58geneo93l8rs
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02:05.43pankey_hi
02:05.47pankey_anyone have dual monitors?
02:05.57pankey_nvidia, 1 card; dual heads
02:06.03canllaithYes
02:06.23pankey_O_O OMG i love you!
02:06.24pankey_ok
02:06.33pankey_i have all this crap in xorg.conf that my head is spinning
02:06.44canllaithlol ok
02:06.50pankey_i have both monitors on but i dont want the desktop to expand over both :/
02:06.55canllaithAh.
02:07.01canllaithIn that case I can't help you, I use xinerama.
02:07.21pankey_is that wat i want or dont want?
02:07.23pankey_lol
02:07.30canllaithThat's what you don't want, one desktop spanned over two screens.
02:07.42pankey_alrighty
02:08.03pankey_cuz i have twinview enabled
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02:08.50pankey_<PROTECTED>
02:08.55pankey_flipping to off
02:09.01pankey_brb
02:09.03pankey_hopefully ^_^
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02:09.43pankey_blah!
02:11.17pankey_ok under Display in Control Center, i went to the Multi Monitors tab
02:11.30pankey_but its like it doesnt give a fart about those settings :/
02:12.05canllaithNo idea, I have no idea how to do what you want since I've never tried to do it
02:12.30pankey_hmm. this is retarded cuz the kicker is in only one screen
02:12.37pankey_but just the desktop is b0rk3d
02:12.53pankey_canllaith: u spread the kicker, etc across both mons?
02:13.00canllaithNope, but you can if you want to
02:13.09pankey_nah i dont want to :P
02:13.18pankey_wat about maximizing windows?
02:13.20canllaithI use kicker on the left screen.
02:13.25pankey_maximizes to both displays?
02:13.27canllaithMaximises to only one screen
02:13.29canllaithNo, only one.
02:13.33pankey_!!!
02:13.37pankey_thats how i want it set up
02:13.44canllaithYou need your qt/KDE built with xinerama support for that
02:13.48canllaithDo you use Gentoo by any chance?
02:13.52pankey_yes
02:13.56pankey_i have +xinerama
02:14.02canllaithYou sure about that? In your QT too?
02:14.16pankey_*nof*
02:14.18pankey_d
02:14.22canllaithcause it's disabled by default and non xinerama aware apps tend to do that (span both screens)
02:14.35canllaithWell in that case, look at your xorg.conf from what you've pasted it looks like a bit of a mess
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02:15.02pankey_crap...sorry
02:15.05pankey_just those 2 lines^^
02:15.33pankey_+xinerama means it was built with xinerama support
02:15.35pankey_heh sorry
02:15.37canllaithkewl :)
02:15.51pankey_ok so i should enable xinerama then!
02:15.55pankey_lets see
02:15.58canllaithWell, I'll snip the section of my xinerama xfree.conf and then upload it
02:16.05canllaithyeah, basically with twinview
02:16.06pankey_nice!! thanx :D:D
02:16.08pankey_yea
02:16.24canllaithoh nm I just upload it easier than explaining heh
02:16.35pankey_:)
02:16.56pankey_i was reading this faq on enabling multi mon support and such but goodnes man...its written uber badly :|
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02:19.45canllaithok
02:20.07canllaithhttp://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/twinview.txt
02:25.47FrostBytedual
02:27.35pankey_thats all the criticalness?
02:27.54pankey_no explicit Option "Xinerama" "on"
02:27.59pankey_or "true"?"
02:29.29pankey_testing!
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02:31.27scrooge:(
02:34.42scroogethis is BS
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02:36.00scroogecanllaith: u have the secondary monitor to the right of the primary?
02:36.09canllaithI think so yes
02:36.19scroogecrap...that might be it
02:36.19canllaithpankey: no it doesn't need to be explicitly on, read the nvidia driver doumentation
02:36.23canllaithdocumentation **
02:36.38scroogei'll try :/
02:36.40canllaithI'm on my laptop right now though so I'm not 100% sure :P
02:37.02scroogehehe tis cool
02:38.17Thorrn4HELLO!!! I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION - I'm using KDE and my desktop misplaces my icons everytime I add something new to it; how can I make it so that the icons are save in position?
02:38.35canllaithah, what version of KDE are you using?
02:39.08Thorrn43.3
02:39.17Thorrn4yea...3.3
02:39.26Thorrn4sorry for using CAPS
02:41.10canllaithah ok
02:41.17canllaithI'm afraid that is a bug :(
02:41.21canllaithand it's not fixed properly until 3.4
02:41.59Thorrn4oh....thank you
02:47.37jorgp_how do you tell juk to just play an audio cd?
02:48.46Alethesln -s kscd juk
02:48.55canllaithlol
02:48.59canllaith!!!
02:49.05canllaithyou kill me Alethes you really do
02:49.09Alethesheh
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02:52.19neighborleedoens't kde panel auto resize as one adds icons to it or have I maybe accidentily changed that needed feature in control pane ?
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02:52.36thiagoneighborlee: there's an option to auto-resize
02:52.40neighborleeok thx
02:53.05johnny69Can someone tell me how to stop the balloon pop-ups from appearing when you move your mouse over the little taskbar icons?  (using Kde 3.4 - Fedora core)  Thanks.
02:53.12neighborleegot it
02:53.54neighborleejohnny69, thats in control panel
02:54.12johnny69neighborlee:   I figured it would be...but I was not able to find it.  Under what menu ?
02:54.14thiagojohnny69: there's an option to turn that off
02:54.56canllaithjohnny69: Right click on the panel, configure panel
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02:55.10canllaithunder appearance, untick 'Enable icon mouseover effects'
02:55.46johnny69oh for shit sakes...it was staring me in the face.   Thanks people.
02:55.53johnny69got it now
02:56.03neighborleenp stuff happens ;)
02:56.06Alethessuch is the world of kde configs
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02:57.52PingvenoDo the khtml hackers have any plans to implement Midas (Rich Text Editor)?
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02:58.39Thorrn4HELLO!!!! I have a simple question: I am using Simply Mepis 3.3 and I would like to install KDevelop (I am very new to Linux) how can I do it?
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02:59.31Thorrn4Alethes: there is no need to be hostle
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02:59.42Alethesno hostility ;)
02:59.46randabisThorrn4, if it is in your mepis repositories, it should be as simple as typing apt-get install kdevelop in a terminal
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03:00.57randabisI'm not familiar with mepis, but you can probably accomplish the same thing with the package manager is provides
03:01.18randabissince it is kde based, it probably has kpackage
03:01.46Thorrn4it does!
03:02.35randabisyou can search for kdevelop in kpackage then and use it to install it (I perfer the first method I demonstrated though, but that's just me)
03:03.01thiagowell, kpackage can't find the package if APT isn't configured correctly
03:03.17thiagoso, if kpackage works, "apt-get install kdevelop" must too
03:06.11Thorrn4E: Package kdevelop has no installation candidate
03:07.33Thorrn4I tried the "apt-get install kdevelop"
03:14.35scrooge:/
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03:16.10Oleg_hi
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03:18.52randabisThorrn4, again, I'm not familiar with mepis so I can't really help you
03:19.05randabisyou should look for a mepis channel
03:19.11randabisI believe there is one on this network
03:19.40Mullyis there a way to include my public key automatically as a file attachment in kmail?
03:20.15thiagoMully: always attach a file?
03:20.26slayerbobheh
03:20.27thiagoMully: you could add the public key to your signature
03:20.42Mullything, i did that, but it shows in the text
03:20.52Mullyi want it as a separate attachement
03:21.12thiagoMully: I don't think KMail allows you to always attach a file
03:21.23Mullythiag, where is that option? ...?
03:21.57thiagowell, it would have to exist first
03:22.00Mullyi found the "Attach my public key part"
03:22.03thiagoand I've just said I think it doesn't exist
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03:26.05NamShubhow can I just compile krita from koffice? kchart is broken in CVS...
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03:28.46dwangoheh
03:28.59scroogethis....SUCKS
03:29.17scroogecanllaith: are u using xorg-6.8.2?
03:29.23scroogeand can i see the whole config? :)
03:29.32canllaithNope it's using xfree86
03:29.42canllaithand you don't need to see the whole config, that is everything related to twinview
03:30.19scroogeoh
03:30.25scroogeno serverlayout?
03:30.27scroogeor serverflags?
03:30.32scroogebahh!! ok thanx :
03:30.35scrooge:/
03:30.37canllaith:P
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03:31.07canllaithI do have dual head going on an xorg system as well but that's with an ati radeon
03:31.41scroogeyea...the ati's are like UBER different :S
03:31.47slayerboblol
03:31.52slayerbobboth are relatively easy to get working though
03:31.53slayerbob:P
03:31.59scroogenot for me :(
03:32.03scroogei got it "working"
03:32.04canllaithWell, I remember you having to fiddle for a bit with the ati radeon on holly
03:32.15canllaithslayerbob: I've totally decided when I move to syd I'm getting a mac mini :|
03:32.16NamShubis it possible to have a LCD with a NTSC-TV side by side?
03:32.20slayerbobyeah but it was still easy - was just a matter of finding the documentation
03:32.21scroogebut the xserver keeps using the internel xinerama and not nvidias!
03:32.22canllaithI'm gonna call it iHal
03:32.25slayerbobLOL
03:32.31scroogeeven with serverflags set to xinerama false
03:32.33PingvenoIs there a project to implement Midas (rich text component) in KHTML?
03:32.34scroogelol
03:32.37canllaithscrooge: um, well nvidia only emulates xinerama really
03:32.45canllaithLook, go read the nvidia documentation
03:32.49scroogeu read it
03:32.58scroogesaid to disable the servers xinerama
03:32.58canllaithI have read it. I'm suggesting you do it.
03:33.01scroogeand use nvidias
03:33.07slayerbobi'm pretty sure that you don't want to use xinerama with either nvidia or ati
03:33.11scroogehonest :)
03:33.14slayerbobthey both have their own implementations...
03:33.28slayerbobcannot recall exactly though :P
03:33.30scroogeok so kill both of them then?
03:33.44canllaithWhy not just do exactly as written in the snippet of config I uploaded
03:33.47scroogeappendix J talks about twinview
03:33.55canllaithno server flags, normal ordinary serverlayout.
03:33.56scroogecanllaith: tried that...no workie :/
03:34.11canllaithWell, then I suggest you double check what you've emerged with what support.
03:34.23canllaithGentoo being amazingly stupid about disabling xinerama support by default
03:34.36scroogedisabled? its enabled by default. lol
03:34.37SteamedPenguineh
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03:34.50canllaithNot according to the dozen people asking FAQ's about it a day
03:34.58canllaithwho've emerged QT/KDE without a xinerama use flag
03:35.05scroogeoh thats retarded
03:35.07scroogehmm
03:35.34SteamedPenguincanllaith: that's hardly gentoo's fault, idiot users
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03:35.47canllaithI don't care who's fault it is.
03:35.56SteamedPenguinif they actually checked the use flags then they wouldn't be screaming
03:35.58canllaithThe point is, it's obviously easy enough to do if so many people do it
03:36.12canllaithSo that's something to check.
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03:45.44Aletheswe should keep a running tally of which distros have the most problems with kde
03:45.54slayerbobheh
03:45.58NamShubFC
03:45.59NamShub:)
03:46.03Alethesnot that we don't already know the answer :)
03:46.03slayerbobso we can more efficiently pick on gentoo users ?
03:46.07Alethesindeed
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03:46.40Alethesat the very least they should have a #kde-gentoo to reduce the noise level here
03:46.58NamShubtheres gentoo-kde, actually
03:48.17SteamedPenguinthere is?
03:49.58canllaithgrepping for 'I'm running gentoo' scrolls lots down my screen, weeeeeee
03:52.04SteamedPenguinwell, perhaps shunting people to #gentoo-kde is a smart idea
03:52.23canllaithIs there anyone in there ?
03:52.25scrooge?
03:52.27scroogeyes...
03:52.46scroogepfft
03:53.15canllaithI don't have any problems at all with Gentoo users coming in here asking questions. When saying "I've heard this could be your problem X" and having gentoo users jump down my throat.. that's, stupid.
03:53.34scroogeok this OFFICIALLY doesnt work :)
03:53.43scroogei did X -configure and pasted your exact config
03:53.47scroogestill no dice
03:53.47canllaithok
03:53.57canllaithInteresting. What version of the nvidia driver are you using, and does gentoo patch it?
03:53.57scroogemaybe its the xorg
03:54.01scrooge7xxx
03:54.05canllaithIt could be, I certainly haven't tried that config under xorg
03:54.09SteamedPenguincanllaith: well, I am making it one of my channels to watch
03:54.11canllaithand I think we're using a much older nvidia driver on that machine
03:54.17scrooge7167
03:54.19canllaithSteamedPenguin: :)
03:54.25scroogeoh
03:54.30SteamedPenguincanllaith: since I am a pretty hardcore gentoo/kde user I'll be hapy to field calls
03:54.38scroogeSteamedPenguin: :D:D
03:54.40scroogeawesome
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03:55.10canllaithQuite often there are some Gentoo specific problems related entirely to how ebuilds are split up etc so that could be useful.
03:55.30SteamedPenguinthat's my thinking.
03:56.15SteamedPenguinbesides, if one isn't familiar with the gentoo packaging then users coming in with 'X is broke' isn't really encouraging when it turns out to be their fault.
03:56.26slayerbobyay :P
03:56.30canllaithQuite often the users can be very hostile too
03:56.32slayerbobnow try to connect it to squid here :P
03:56.43canllaithEg, "KDE really sucks man, it's running dog slow it's all fucked up KDE sucks'
03:56.58canllaithTurns out to be a networking problem and not KDE. People remember that, and next time someone says they use Gentoo people go 'GRRR another one of *THOSE*'
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03:57.15SteamedPenguincanllaith: that's annoying. I'd be pissed too.
03:57.22slayerbobjust explain to them that it is running slow because it has special gentoo detection code to decrease the number of gentoo users using kde :P
03:57.28canllaithSteamedPenguin: it is, and it's why I have basically 0 time for gentoo problems unless people are very very very polite
03:57.38SteamedPenguincanllaith: like me? :)
03:57.44canllaithlauri, I bet can also tell you some stories.
03:57.50canllaithThere are ignorant and not nice people in *every* distro
03:58.02scroogeahh i see now
03:58.05canllaithbut in Gentoo, they compile their own KDE and have much more capacity to break it.
03:58.17canllaithInstead of using redhat packages or whatever where we can say 'Ah yes, known issue do this' etc
03:58.28scroogelol
03:58.35scroogegentoo on gentoo crime exists also
03:58.53canllaithSteamedPenguin: Whenever I see your name, I think of a litle penguin with his hands to his head, going bright red in the face mad
03:58.55scroogei was saying how MONODEVELOP broke my kde and people still blamed kde for even existing...
03:58.56canllaith(Steamed)
03:58.58scroogenonsense
03:59.04slayerbobLOL
03:59.05canllaithIt's such a cute picture, I can't help but like you
03:59.10SteamedPenguinwell, ebuilds aren't different in practice than RPMs, but because they have more variables, things are a touch more complex.
03:59.17SteamedPenguincanllaith: hah hah hah
03:59.24canllaithSteamedPenguin: Right, it's much easier to fiddle with an ebuild than it is an RPM
03:59.30SteamedPenguincanllaith: that's awesome.
03:59.30slayerbobmaybe we should figure out a way to attach avatars to irc users :P
03:59.37scroogelol
03:59.38canllaithand often people tend to break RPM's in predictable and usual ways.
03:59.44scroogei think u can on certain clients
03:59.47slayerbobif only comic chat ran on linux
03:59.51canllaithoh god
04:00.17randabisyuck rpm :p
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04:01.12scroogekdegraphics doesnt wanna merge...same kfile_pdf.cpp problem
04:01.29scroogewait graphics? erhm might be artwork
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04:01.43light_punch2how come in some distros, kde is really good, but some kde crashes a lot.  same for gnome desktop too.
04:01.45canllaithkdeartwork shouldn't
04:01.56canllaithlight_punch2: because in some distros, the packagers are not so skilled :)
04:02.00light_punch2*but in some distro kde crashes a lot
04:02.08canllaithand they make broken packages
04:02.16scroogecaleb pwnz
04:03.15light_punch2you think i ll be better off, installing kde myself?
04:03.23canllaithOnly if you're better at it than they are
04:03.28scroogeheh
04:03.29scroogetrue
04:03.30light_punch2haha
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04:04.11canllaithFrom what I hear in here
04:04.23canllaithSlackware & Suse KDE is pretty nice
04:04.36canllaithGentoo KDE is nice if you get your ebuilds and shit right and don't go stupid on optimilisation flags :P
04:04.42scroogelol
04:04.45scroogethey have GRP also
04:04.48scrooge"bins"
04:04.51scrooge*shudder*
04:04.53canllaithPeople complain lots about redhat KDE...
04:05.01canllaithbut I have to say the BEST KDE distro is........
04:05.03canllaithKlax :)
04:05.04light_punch2if i am using another WM, can i dig up kde
04:05.14light_punch2's menu somewhere?
04:05.30canllaithlight_punch2: only by running kicker I think
04:05.49scroogefluxbox_menu-generate or sumtin can find kde apps
04:05.50canllaithoh
04:05.55canllaithI wonder if you can run it through appletproxy
04:06.16SteamedPenguinlight_punch2: I've seen/heard people using blackbox as the WM while using KDE
04:06.17canllaithNope doesn't look like it
04:06.35canllaithI don't actually think you can use the KDE taskbar if you do that though, since it's not freedesktop.org compliant WM
04:06.39canllaithapart from that though it would work
04:06.50light_punch2hm... i just need the text files, to tell me what's on the kde menu, the i ll just use command line to launch it.
04:07.08SteamedPenguincanllaith: I think BB 0.70 is
04:07.10scroogeheh...foo.desktop files :P
04:07.22canllaithSteamedPenguin: true, it's been a while since I used it.
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04:07.57randabiskubuntu does kde well :)
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04:08.53SteamedPenguinyeah, kubuntu KDE is nice
04:09.10SteamedPenguinmodern debian + KDE 3.4 == rawr
04:09.20randabis:)
04:09.23canllaithDebian is one distro I have absolutely no experience with.
04:09.30canllaithI've never used it, never had any reason to want to use it.
04:09.46SteamedPenguincanllaith: same for slackware here. :)
04:09.51randabisthink gentoo without compiling...in the most basic of terms
04:09.58canllaithOnce apon a time Slackware was all there was.
04:10.06canllaithThat was a good enough reason for me to us it :P I didn't have another choice
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04:16.31scroogegrrrr
04:16.47scroogewats so different about cvs then the many failed compiles?
04:16.48scroogelol
04:17.09scroogei thought u can change the height of your kicker to below 36 and still have 2 rows of tasks
04:18.03canllaithYou need to edit your taskbarrc
04:18.21canllaithin $KDEHOME/share/config/ktaskbarrc
04:18.29canllaithAdd under the [General] section
04:18.37canllaithMinimumButtonHeight=n
04:18.53canllaithwhere n is the size of your kicker divided by the amount of rows you want
04:19.05canllaithso for that, I guess you'd want minimum button height 18 or something.
04:19.12light_punch2canllaith, do you install kde yourself or just use distro's?
04:19.17canllaithI build cvs head myself
04:19.47light_punch2did it crashes a lot?
04:19.55canllaithNope
04:20.12canllaithI have one problem with it- kopete crashes when I quit it.
04:20.16canllaithEverything else works fine.
04:20.25canllaithand kopete works fine apart from that.
04:21.18light_punch2xpdf is nicest i ve used, but it crashes when i open a new pdf (while having one pdf already opened)
04:21.39canllaithWorks fine for me, but I don't use it much
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04:22.50SteamedPenguinkpdf rawks
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04:57.01illogic-alhey
04:57.06illogic-al#konversation
05:00.16Dhraakellianillogic-al, forgot the "/join"?
05:00.40illogic-alnah. just wanted a link i could click on fir konvi.
05:00.53Dhraakellianheh
05:01.14Dhraakellianheh
05:01.33scroogelazyness pwnz
05:01.48illogic-alindeed
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05:24.28illogic-al#quanta
05:24.39scroogeLOL
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05:27.37illogic-alawesome. mail server seems to be working
05:28.31Octaneis there a way to get KMAil to use thunderbird style mail
05:28.35Octanefolder structure
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05:32.57the-er1I am experiencing something weird.
05:33.11Octaneit's just puberty dude, relax
05:33.32the-er1Octane: Actually it has to do with 3.3 :) lol
05:34.05the-er1Konqueror is displaying mime info on the top of the page.
05:34.12the-er1Like keep alive and what not.
05:35.01the-er1I just got done installing 3.3.
05:35.48the-er1Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100 Connection: Keep-Alive Transfer-Encoding: chunked Content-Type: text/html 1f54
05:35.58the-er1It wasn't there before ...
05:38.44kendrickheh
05:38.47Dhraakellianhehheh
05:38.52kendricknot much from what i've seen
05:39.09kendrickthe latest gnome release press release wasn't nearly as impressive as the KDE 3.4 stuff
05:39.20kendrickand KDE 3.4 was mostly little updates here & there
05:39.23DhraakellianOctane, I think Moz TB uses an mbox variant or something
05:39.41Dhraakellianand I believe kmail can use either mbox or maildir
05:40.37Octanei tried to ln -s thunderbird's Local FOlders to Kmail\mail
05:40.39Octanebut that didnt work
05:40.44Octaneand yes i specified mbox type
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05:41.15Octanethats cuz it names things differently i think
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05:50.43X-Theanyone?
05:52.36Dhraakelliansomeone
05:52.55X-Thewhen i click in konqueror to configure i get an empty page
05:52.59Dhraakellianyou'd have to import them, Octane
05:53.07X-Thei use kde_3_4_BRANCH
05:53.17X-TheDhraakellian: u have this prob?
05:53.26Dhraakelliannope
05:54.13X-Thedont u know what are the files that handle this procedure?
05:54.19scroogelol
05:54.24X-Theso is a patch that is causing this problem
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05:55.15X-Thescrooge: lol?
05:55.25scrooge?
05:55.27scroogehi
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05:56.00X-Thei need to know what are the files, to know what is the patch to remove
05:56.06X-Thecanllaith: hi
05:56.11canllaithHi
05:56.28X-Thei have a prob with konq
05:57.00X-Thewhen i click to configure i get a empty window, so i need to know what are the files that handle this, to then remove the patch that is causing me this problem
05:57.16scroogewat patch?
05:57.26X-Thei use mandrake
05:57.29scroogeoh
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05:57.37canllaith<PROTECTED>
05:57.40canllaithI suspect
05:57.51X-Thecant be in kdelibs?
05:58.05scroogei got EVERYTHING to compile ecept for kdegraphics!! progress progress!
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05:58.24X-Thecanllaith: ?
05:58.26scroogeX-The: kdebase is konqueror and kdm and stuff
05:58.32scroogekdelibs is like the low level stuff i think
05:58.44X-Theso for sure is in kdebase/kcontrol/konq?
05:58.55scrooge<PROTECTED>
05:59.01scroogeaka have a looksie :P
05:59.06X-Theone thing is suspect
05:59.12X-Thei have many patchs
05:59.22X-Theso would be good for sure
05:59.23scroogeu mandrake patched cvs sourcE?
05:59.39X-Thei compiled kde-3.4.0 for mandrake
05:59.44X-Thewith Tahc
05:59.44canllaithHow can we know what patches you have? Diff against clean sources, go look yourself.
05:59.46X-TheThac
05:59.50scroogelol
06:00.11X-Thecanllaith: i know the patches i have
06:00.21scroogeheh
06:01.11X-Thecanllaith: i dont kde that well to go look for myself
06:01.15scroogecanllaith: hey u get these patches straight from your pplz? or are they like posted somewhere?
06:02.18canllaithWhat patches ?
06:02.40scroogelike for cvs b0rks
06:02.55canllaithThere are none. Fixes are commited straight to cvs
06:03.13scroogeoh
06:03.19scroogehow long does that take? heh
06:03.26canllaithHowever long it takes for someone to fix it.
06:03.31scroogek
06:03.42scroogeguess i dont need kdegraphics
06:04.00canllaithkdegraphics builds ok here, so you probably have a local problem you could fix and get it to work :)
06:04.33scroogepossibly. it bitches about kfile_pdf.cpp
06:04.41scroogesomebody said something about it being xpdf
06:04.53canllaithPossibly, what version xpdf do yo have? :)
06:05.11X-Thecanllaith: can be file desktopbehavior_impl.cpp?
06:05.24scroogechecking
06:05.33canllaithI have no idea X-The why don't you try fiddling with it and see.
06:05.45scrooge3.00-r8
06:05.46X-Thecanllaith: im trying
06:05.48canllaithscrooge: I'm using 3.00 here and that seems to work ok with kpdf. A much older version may not
06:05.57scroogehmm
06:05.58canllaithOk, so I guess your xpdf is prolly ok :)
06:06.03scroogeheh yea :/
06:06.05scroogeweird
06:06.23scroogefoolabs.com/xpdf/ lmfao
06:06.46canllaith:o I don't have baghira windeco installed
06:08.02scroogebaghira is nice :D
06:08.13canllaithThe theme is rather slow on this machine, but the windeco is nice
06:08.15scrooge*phew* i almost burned my cookies!
06:12.51scroogeplastik > *
06:12.59scroogecvs plastik looks different from stable
06:13.02scroogethe buttons
06:13.17scroogeslayerbob: prepackaged! :P
06:13.21scroogethrow in oven
06:13.22slayerbobLOL
06:13.28scroogemwahahahaha
06:13.37slayerbobif i wanted prepackaged i would just buy them from the cookie time factory :P
06:13.45the-er1slayerbob: Can't you just go to the store and buy some?  There are several ways to make cookies php is pretty easy.
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06:14.27slayerbobi just got back from the store :P
06:14.29the-er1slayerbob: It's also possible to make cookies with javascript.
06:14.34slayerbobbought me a couple of rolled chicken roasts
06:15.14scroogelol
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06:15.22the-er1I can't seem to find anything obvious in kcontrol to fix that header being displayed in konqueror.
06:16.08clxre_all ();
06:16.33the-er1Maybe it's one of my libraries can someone else please check out http://radio.the-erm.com (it's the only page it shows up in) with konqueror.
06:17.06canllaithscrooge: it is different, the windeco at least
06:17.15scroogeyea
06:17.17canllaithunfortunately it has strange rendering bugs on my vid card :'(
06:17.23scroogeheh :/
06:17.23canllaithShame, I really like the new one.
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06:26.51canllaithHeya physos :)
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06:27.33scroogebahh! dammit man!
06:27.50marcusUWhat?
06:27.54scroogemaybe if i co a earlier revision?
06:27.56scrooge:/
06:30.05physosmoin canllaith
06:32.03scroogeLOL
06:32.15scroogekde4 and slackware 11 will mark the end of u
06:32.23scroogenice
06:32.35marcusUI tried Slackware. GCC kept segfaulting when I tried to build GTK+.
06:32.43scroogelol
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06:34.30scroogehehe
06:35.19marcusUcanllaith: I did realize at one point that the reason why SuSE works for me and most other distros were failing during install is that SuSE did not enable ACPI support by default.
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06:35.32Borg^Queengrepper: Hey I tried mdk
06:35.40canllaithahahahaha ok that comment is classic
06:35.45canllaithabsolutely classic.
06:35.55kendrickhaha
06:36.00kendrick"Why not have celebratory enema?"
06:36.08kendrick(on that URL illogic-al is looking at :) )
06:36.10marcusUcanllaith: It gets worse. I thought at one point that it might be SCSI adapter, so I "updated" it during Adaptec's software and it erased my SCSI BIOS from the card.
06:36.20canllaithack! That's terrible
06:36.31slayerbobbut funny :P
06:36.35slayerbobhas happened to me often enough :P
06:37.00marcusUSo now I can't boot from my ULtra160 adapter.
06:37.13Borg^Queengrepper: you up?
06:37.16canllaithThe only machine in the house that had a floppy drive to make rescue disks from was the one I borked
06:37.48canllaithand it can't boot from anything else :| Took me an entire bloody day to think of netbooting it :(
06:37.53illogic-albah. knoppix fixes all
06:38.06physoscanllaith: my 3_4_BRANCH recompile is finishing soon, so the fEature Guide gets some love again.
06:38.06Borg^QueenHey illogic-al
06:38.19canllaithWell, knoppix can only help you if you have a cd drive
06:38.31illogic-alphysos: awesome feature guide btw.
06:38.32canllaithOr, if you set up it's terminal server and netboot off it from a machine that does.
06:38.37grepperBorg^Queen: yep
06:38.46physoscanllaith: does posting "a feature a day" journal sound like a plan?
06:39.01Dhraakellianbut it's the only liveCD I've used extensively
06:39.06Borg^QueenSo I tried MDK. Any way I reloaded Sarge, lol
06:39.08physoscanllaith: on my ToDO.
06:39.09canllaithphysos: sounds like a plan. I'll have some more stuff for you soon :)
06:39.15canllaith;)
06:39.30marcusUI have my SuSE rescue CDs. :-)
06:39.48physoscanllaith: Problem, is, the plastik style changed a lot between 3_4 and HEAD :(
06:39.53Borg^QueenIt wasn't anything like they adverted.
06:40.10marcusUWhat changed in Plastik?
06:40.26physosmarcusU: white window buttons.
06:40.32canllaithphysos: I know... :(
06:40.38physosmarcusU: harder gradient.
06:40.43canllaithunfortunately I don't *have* a 3.4 release install
06:40.44marcusUOh. That's odd. I like it the way it is.
06:40.48canllaithso maybe I should leave the screenshots to you
06:41.04physosIn fact I wonder if I wont ask Sandro to name it plastik 2 so I can keep my old one.
06:41.13canllaithphysos: the new one is broken for me
06:41.20canllaithIt has strange rendering/drawing bugs on my old ati rage
06:41.23canllaithso I cannot use it anyway
06:41.27illogic-alnew plastik?
06:41.57canllaithThis is it here guys
06:42.00canllaithhttp://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/features-guide/settings-again.png
06:42.07canllaithIf you look closely at the windeco
06:42.34marcusUI'm getting a file-not-found
06:42.58kendrickworked for me
06:43.10kendrickthough i'm not seeing anything interesting in the window decorations
06:43.26marcusUI think KSirc is doing some kind of translation of the characters in your filename.
06:43.27canllaithCompare it to 3.4 final plastik
06:43.33canllaithmarcusU: quite possible lol
06:43.38kendrickno 3.4 here :(
06:43.39marcusUcanllaith: How do I disable it?
06:43.46canllaithI have absolutely no idea
06:43.48illogic-alwhen's the last time someone here checked out kdebase from HEAD?
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06:43.52canllaithhttp://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/features-guide/
06:43.56canllaithdoes the directory listing work?
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06:44.00canllaithillogic-al: 2 days
06:44.20_joeyis there vnc client in kde?
06:44.28scroogeyes
06:44.28marcusUcanllaith: KSirc is turning the link into http://www.hoult.org/anllaith/foo/features-guide/
06:44.31scroogekrfb
06:44.33scroogekrdc
06:44.33illogic-alUptime: 36 days, 10 hours and 54 minutes
06:44.39kendrickthat's messed up
06:44.59canllaithmarcusU: that's messed. Just add in the c.
06:45.00illogic-alkonvi ownz
06:45.02kendrickhehe
06:45.02Borg^Queenyuck
06:45.05canllaithoh sorry the ~ c
06:45.07canllaithtilda in there too
06:45.12Borg^QueenThe peeing part
06:45.13illogic-altilde
06:45.17canllaiththanks illogic-al =p
06:45.23_joeykrdc ir remote desktop client which uses rdp protocol
06:45.26illogic-alnp
06:45.35_joeyI am looking for a client to connec to vnc server
06:45.40marcusUAw. I like my Plastik better.
06:45.40scrooge...
06:45.44canllaithYeah :(
06:45.51scroogekrdc is vnc
06:46.03scroogejust try it d00d! google it
06:46.06_joeygree
06:46.07scroogeit says vnc client
06:46.08_joeyoki doki
06:46.16scrooge:)
06:46.22_joeylet me try the application
06:46.23scroogethere are no rdp servers really
06:46.25scroogecept on windows
06:46.51kendrickaptitude search vnc |grep -i kde
06:46.51kendrick;)
06:46.57kendrickoh! d'oh! no results!
06:47.06scroogeaptitude?
06:47.27kendrickyeah
06:48.02kendrickhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html
06:49.50pankeyKDE remote desktop connection (RDP and VNC) cient <------kde-base/krdc
06:50.02pankeyaptitude must suck?
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06:50.11pankeyor its not searching descriptions?
06:50.24pankeyillogic-al: OMG u like keramik!?
06:50.32illogic-alyes
06:50.33pankeyi used to
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06:50.37pankeythen plastik pwn3d me
06:50.42marcusUI used Keramik for a long time.
06:50.47illogic-alyes
06:50.47pankeyalso the one slax uses is nice
06:51.01pankeyrounded borders
06:51.03pankey*drool*
06:51.03illogic-alplastik pwn3d me 2
06:51.06marcusUI liked Keramik better with the original scrollbars, though.
06:51.10pankey:P
06:51.13pankeyahh
06:51.17illogic-almarcusU: aye
06:51.20pankeyi like the animated progress bars :D
06:51.27kendrickyeah, not searching descriptions, i guess
06:51.32marcusUThe animated progress bars make me nauseated.
06:51.36scroogelol
06:51.45illogic-althe old keramik scrollbars are key
06:51.57scroogekendrick: also it might not show it. i dont think debian split up kde :P
06:52.04scroogeprobly in kdenetwork package
06:52.05kendrickoh, it has Mutt-like searching, i think
06:52.06marcusUI tried to get the old scrollbars back, but I couldn't get it patched right.
06:52.11kendrickscrooge: nah, i'm using KDE 3.3 in Debian Testing
06:52.15kendrickapt-get search found it :)
06:52.19scroogeah
06:52.22scrooge:)
06:52.40kendrickerr, apt-cache search, rather ;)
06:52.46scroogehaha
06:52.52scroogexorg finished compiling :D:D
06:53.18kendricki should just use aptitude in GUI mode ;)
06:53.24_joeykewl
06:53.33_joeythanks scrooge
06:53.38scroogewelcome :)
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06:54.35illogic-alaptitude sounds key
06:54.50pankeykey as in kool? or ghey?
06:54.52pankeylol
06:54.55kendrickheh
06:55.19pankey:P
06:56.14illogic-alkey, adj. to be necessary or  integral to some task or mission
06:56.20kendrickheh
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06:56.50illogic-ale.g. jack said to jill, "if we're going to do it, condoms are key."
06:57.13scroogelol
06:57.25scroogewasnt jack and jill bro and sista!?
06:57.26scrooge:|
06:57.28scroogesadness
06:57.38scroogedam
06:57.40illogic-alLOL
06:57.43scroogethere goes the freenode
06:57.58scroogelol
06:59.36Dhraakellian*facepalm*
06:59.56scroogelmfao
06:59.56scroogebye bye mr ^_^
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07:00.02canllaith* come my lady, come come my lady, you're my butterfly... *
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07:00.21scrooge:P
07:00.25canllaithhahaha
07:00.43slayerbobLOL
07:00.51ettercapQuick question for all the KDE folks, what does "knotify" do?
07:00.59scroogenotifies you!
07:01.02scroogekde style :P
07:01.03physosettercap: notificatiosn.
07:01.09canllaithIt does system notifications
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07:09.48physosI said I reboot, didn't I say the frenode server? ;)
07:09.48ettercapWoa that was a lot of people
07:09.48canllaithhehehe
07:09.48scrooge:P
07:09.48scroogethey patching a kernel on the MAIN USA machine
07:09.48illogic-althat was beautiful
07:09.49scroogeabsotutolutely
07:09.49canllaithjust an irssi script to make every nick a different colour
07:09.49scroogeim dying seeing all these greyish nicks
07:09.49scroogelol
07:09.49canllaith:)
07:09.49scroogethats perfect!
07:09.49slayerbobgreyish ?
07:09.49scroogeyea
07:09.49scroogeirssi in framebuffer
07:09.49slayerbobah
07:09.49slayerbobLOL
07:09.50scrooge:P
07:09.50pankeysame here. cept i can go into X on this machine :P
07:09.50pankeyjust lazy atm
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07:09.50canllaithalthough it seems overly fond of pink and green
07:09.50scroogeheh
07:09.51scroogexchat does the different nick colors by the nicks length
07:09.51scroogeso if everybody has the same length nick, blehh
07:09.51illogic-alkonvi does it better
07:09.51canllaithI do like how konvi does it.
07:09.51canllaithI don't like how konvi crashes whenever I try to change fonts.
07:09.51illogic-alhail, hail, hail
07:09.53illogic-ali'm something of a font whore
07:09.53slayerboband i use xchat all the time :)
07:09.53canllaith:P
07:09.53canllaithcd Desktop/docs/kdebase/doc/faq
07:09.53canllaitherm.
07:11.14canllaith:o
07:11.17canllaithThat's not nice
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07:13.14ettercapSo yeah, is knotify needed for KDE to run?
07:13.37canllaithIt would probably take more effort than it was worth to try and remove it.
07:13.47ettercapHmm
07:13.51^1how is it possible to make plastik scroll bar button contrast easier to visualize?
07:14.06ettercapcanllaith: Any reading material about it? Besides man pages and such
07:14.23^1keramik has some nice ideas but is so bold and flashy
07:14.50canllaithabout removing a core KDE component? No, I don't think so.
07:14.59ettercapNo, just what knotify does
07:15.08canllaithhelp:/knotify ?
07:15.25ettercapI'm on xfce, I don't know the magic KDE commands
07:15.34ettercapThis is for an internetless friend, hehe
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07:16.56canllaithI have no idea, I'd suggest looking through the KDE help center and seeing if there is context sensitive help availible through using the 'whatsthis' button in the KDE control center
07:17.19ettercapcanllaith: Thanks for all the help, I'll pass it along
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07:18.07physos175 people, wow
07:19.45kendrickit was:  aptitude search ~dkde~dvnc  btw ;)
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07:27.00scroogei love how irssi does autocompletion!
07:27.25canllaithheh
07:28.38canllaithhttp://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/irssi-color.png
07:28.41canllaith:) looks so pretty
07:30.10scrooge:D nice
07:30.52_yannuxbijour tlm
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07:39.05canllaithShit :( Kmail imap has lost work related messages now that were quite important.
07:39.37scrooge:S
07:39.45scroogemac mini?
07:39.54kendrickMac.
07:39.56kendrickFEH!
07:40.05greppercanllaith: you are going to run OS X on it ?
07:40.06scroogehehe
07:40.20canllaithYes, I am.
07:40.27scroogeos x is cool
07:40.37kendrickOS X is alright.
07:40.39greppercareful, it'll rot your teeth :)
07:40.39scroogeone mouse buttin isnt
07:40.41kendrickI wasn't all that impressed.
07:40.42scroogelol
07:40.48canllaithMostly because apple's mail client has never caused me to lose 2000 messages
07:40.48kendrick*sigh*
07:40.51kendrickThat's FUD scrooge!
07:40.58kendrickcanllaith should just use Mutt! ;)
07:40.58scrooge:P
07:40.58canllaithand that *really* sells it, to me.
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07:41.08kendrickBesides, you have backups, right!?
07:41.13kendrickOh crap... I need to back shit up!
07:41.17scroogelol
07:41.30canllaithIt's a badly behaved mail client that deletes messages off an imap server.
07:41.37canllaithJust randomly
07:42.44SteamedPenguineven when migrating from server to server
07:42.46canllaithYou obviously have never used dimap on it then - as I'm not the only person to have this happen.
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07:43.06SteamedPenguinah no, not dimap
07:43.17canllaithThunderbird on windows, Mail on OSX has no probs. Kmail has big nasty known bugs where it eats mail.
07:43.32canllaithYeah, imap works ok as does pop3, pop is fantastic on Kmail and it's filters rock
07:43.47SteamedPenguinwhat is dimap anyway?
07:43.52canllaithcached imap
07:43.56canllaithso you can read messages offline.
07:44.14canllaithwhich is iirc what the mozilla based imap clients do by default
07:44.23SteamedPenguinah
07:44.36SteamedPenguinnot something I'd use
07:44.48kendrickHeh
07:44.52kendrickNo!
07:44.58kendrick"Linux needs Women"
07:44.59kendrickhehehe
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07:45.02canllaithWell, if I've taken my laptop somewhere I don't have an internet connection
07:45.14canllaithIt's nice to be able to look at cached emails for contact details and stuff.
07:45.23SteamedPenguinI suppose.
07:45.25canllaithwork I've been sent I can do offline etc
07:45.25kendrickThat is true.
07:45.35kendrickI use Mutt via SSH, so if I'm 'net-less, I'm screwz0red.
07:45.37canllaithcompose replies to save in drafts to be sent when I am connected etc.
07:45.44SteamedPenguinmy motto is .no network, no email, no problem
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07:45.48canllaithI'm net-less reasonably often on this network.
07:46.08scroogeheh
07:46.25scroogecanllaith: is that docbook in the pic?
07:46.28scroogein kate
07:46.32canllaithyes
07:46.43scrooge:O
07:46.48scroogelooks good
07:47.01SteamedPenguinok, bed time for penguin
07:48.12canllaiththere is a very nice KDE docbook authors guide lauri has written
07:48.19scroogecool
07:48.29scroogeomg i just realized the panel on the left
07:48.34scroogewith all the .docbook files
07:48.35scroogeeh heh
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07:59.14kendrickno
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09:42.44notbadnameHello Everybody
09:43.26askieHmm, morning
09:43.29notbadnamei am runing kde 3.2.3 on Mandrake 10.1
09:44.05notbadnamefile association modifications are not remembered in kde
09:44.18notbadnameplease anyone help me
09:45.23askiePfff... been a while since I used 3.2...
09:45.24doleybnotbadname: that's apparently a mandrake specific thing, other kde users don't have it
09:45.45SchopfeRQt: 3.3.4
09:45.45SchopfeRKDE: 3.4.89 (CVS >= 20050314)
09:45.45SchopfeRkde-config: 1.0
09:45.52askieOh, never mind then... Never used Mandrake.
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09:47.33askienotbadname: now you say so... I did see the prob on one or two deb machines
09:47.47doleybnotbadname: i have debian, its fine here.  debian sid
09:48.12notbadnameok thanks
09:48.14doleybnotbadname: oh wait, debian uses kde 3.3.2 now
09:48.18askienotbadname: My workaround was to remove, from the file association list, all programs except the one I wanted to use.
09:48.51askieVery awkward solution, but I was lazy and it didn't matter for the user (or me)
09:49.02notbadnamei would resolve this with help of mandrake itself
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10:14.07sycoflyhi canllaith & her groupies
10:14.28canllaithHeya
10:15.00sycoflyweeeeeeee ... I'm all 3.4 up'ed
10:15.24sycoflyim impressed with kmail
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10:19.46^1anyone..  how is it possible to hide konqueror status bar?
10:20.48PhilRodI don't think you can
10:20.58PhilRodcheck bugs.kde.org - there may be a wish filed
10:21.17PhilRodif so, you can see more discussion of the issue, and perhaps vote for the bug
10:21.46^1a wish file ehh.. i cross my finger for the next release then
10:23.12^1nothing either about placing tabs at bottom?
10:24.28^1i guess i'll go do some voting that should put some pressure on developper
10:26.42PhilRodwell, votes don't really put "pressure" on developers, as such - they just give them another factor to take into account when deciding what to work on
10:26.46PhilRodbut too late :-/
10:27.27canllaithIRC is proprietary evil? really?
10:27.36carstenbut only bugs of pupular apps and situations get votes even though there might be much more important bugs
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10:34.27PhilRodcanllaith: proprietary evil?
10:34.39canllaithoh someone's quit message
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10:36.30PhilRodoh, perhaps I should turn quit messages back on :-|
10:36.38markeystupid quitmessages are proprietary evil
10:36.41canllaithahhhhh ok :P
10:36.43canllaithmarkey, AMEN!
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10:39.47zaebhow do i mount NTFS partition with bigger than 4K cluster size
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10:40.22canllaithThis is #kde, you would be better to ask in #linux
10:40.47zaebhow do i do that in kde
10:43.53canllaithYou don't, you go and ask in #linux what needs to be in your fstab
10:44.33zaebi can't talk in #linux
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10:45.43PhilRodtry #yourdistro
10:45.50nksenhows this kde program named which with I can browse the network neighborhood windows machines?
10:45.58canllaithThere is smb4k
10:45.59canllaithand also konqueror
10:46.04canllaithtry typing smb:/ into konqueror :)
10:46.25nksenthought I read some name like... lsearch or s.th. but anyway... thx :)
10:46.38nksenare you familiar with mounting network drives?
10:47.09canllaithVery simple setupsyes
10:47.41nksenhm. unfortunately that's not a simple setup :) thx though
10:47.47canllaithlol um ok then
10:47.50canllaithWhy don't you just ask anyway?
10:53.27nksenah. linneighbourhood i searched for!
10:53.42nksenwell because I guess samba-questions are off topic in here :)
10:54.34zaebwhat linux kernel version does knoppix 3.7 come with
10:54.43canllaithgo and google for it
10:55.03canllaithnksen, well, you can see a good example of off topic questions right now =p
10:55.17canllaithbut if it relates to getting samba working with KDE then it's relevant lol.
10:56.10nksenheh. unfortunately it's getting samba working with enlightenment ;) i steadily get a strange error, though I know username and passwort are correct. mounting the drive on a windows box works
10:56.21nksenheh canllaith
10:56.43canllaithheh ok then, strange. Not something silly like a trailing / in the share name? That's stuffed me up before.
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10:59.05nksennope, nothing like that. also the missing encrypted passwords line in smb.conf often is the culprit
10:59.32dev_loopanyone how can i install flash plguin on konqueror
10:59.33dev_loop?
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11:00.39thiagodev_loop: install it in /usr/lib/mozilla
11:01.08canllaithnksen, yeah that one has got me a few times too. Strange. Ah well, I'm sure you'll sort it out.
11:01.15dev_loopthiago, thx man
11:02.46dev_loopthiago, bah man i have /usr/lib/mozilla-1.7.6/ so i just make a ln -s  , thx man
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11:20.21nksencanllaith: indeed I did sort it out ;) I had to define a wins-server for correct name resolution
11:20.23spikeI'm using kopete, I eneabled the "history" plugin, but I can't find any logs in .kde/share/apps/kopete
11:20.28spikeany idea where they are?
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11:24.06ngallowthat is o nthe toolbar
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12:09.25vbo_howdy folks, anyone know if there's a limit as to the number of kio_http procs that can run at a time?
12:12.04PhilRodnot that I know of
12:12.31PhilRodunless there's a system-level (ie, not KDE) restriction on the number of sockets open
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12:15.42usualhow do I disable animations when mini/max
12:16.11vbo_PhilRod: kay, thanks.
12:17.03PhilRodusual: control center -> desktop -> window behavior -> moving
12:18.27usualthank you
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12:23.49drzed_hy!
12:24.25drzed_i have some strange problems with my screensaver: the 'lock' functions does not work anymore?
12:25.47drzed_'dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock' simply does not work
12:26.11drzed_there is no error output or something
12:26.22drzed_how could i find out more?
12:27.55PhilRodcan you lock your screen with the item in the K menu?
12:28.02PhilRodcan you run kdesktop_lock from a konsole?
12:28.34drzed_the button in the k menu also does not work
12:29.35drzed_hmm i do not have a cmd. called 'kdesktop_lock' just 'kdesktop_lock_nobt'
12:30.07drzed_which acticates the sceensaver but does not lock the desktop
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12:34.12PhilRodkdesktop_lock --forcelock
12:34.12drzed_however this command return this:
12:34.14drzed_X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10
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12:35.05drzed_hmm 'kdesktop_lock_nobt --forcelock' seems to work
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12:40.57drzed_another problem: pressing the "windows(R)" key does not show the k-menu (wich worked quite fine the last moth)
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12:46.19PhilRodthe feature has been removed, afaik
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12:47.53orangeyhey all!
12:48.03orangeyhow can I make it so that kde (3.3)'s konqueror has the google search bar?
12:48.05drzed_PhilRod: thx!
12:49.44PhilRoddrzed_: it was discussed on the mailing list: take a look at lists.kde.org and search the 'kde' mailing list for "windows key" or something similar
12:49.56PhilRodorangey: install kdeaddons
12:50.53Trevelyanorangey, don't know put you can do the same in the address using gg: prefix, eg "gg: some search string"
12:51.35orangeyTrevelyan, Yeah, I got that..
12:51.48orangeyPhilRod, Thank you.. I see that there's a "kde addons search" package, so I'll try that out.
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12:54.33drzed_next question (: this time about kmilo
12:55.43drzed_when increasing the volume the volume-inicator stops at 10% and does not go any further
12:55.49drzed_+d
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13:09.06drzed_ok, next strage thing: kmail freezes kind of on statup
13:09.50drzed_this problems seems ony to concern my user
13:10.39drzed_so i deleted all kmail settings and started making new ones -> same result: kmail freezes
13:11.10PhilRodcompletely? is it running some process in the background? (eg a spam checker)
13:11.48Kryczekhello
13:11.57Kryczekany idea where the KDEDIR variable is set?
13:12.22Kryczekit still points to /usr/kde/3.2 , even though i have 3.4 installed :/
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13:13.01PhilRodKryczek: usual shell startup scripts: ~/.profile, ~/.bashrc, etc etc
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13:13.10drzed_PhilRod: not comletly but i doe not do anything (like spam/virus checking not even fetching new mails)
13:13.30drzed_but if i open the config dialog i can not close it anymore
13:13.41drzed_and it does not display any mails
13:13.58drzed_only if i click on 'show source' i can see the mail
13:14.13KryczekPhilRod: that's only for the shell
13:14.15drzed_after closing kmail it crashes
13:14.23drzed_heres the backtrace: http://phpfi.com/56024
13:14.26KryczekPhilRod: how do i set it for kdevelop for example
13:14.40[pkh]anything but 100% volume doesn't work in the sounds settings for the kde system notifications.  is there anything I should be looking at here?
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13:15.09johnny69Can someone tell me,  since upgrading to Kde 3.4 - It seems my "devices" link/icon has completely dissapeared from Konqueror.  I want it back !!!   Can someone help me ?
13:16.31[pkh]you want to change everything over to use media: instead of devices:
13:16.34drzed_johnny69: now called media
13:16.57[pkh]just do a grep -RIi devices * while in the ~/.kde directory and edit any occurances of it.
13:18.36PhilRodKryczek: you run kdevelop from a shell in which KDEDIR is set correctly. How do you start KDE? startx?
13:19.23johnny69[pkh]  But "media" isn't showing up in konqueror at all, anywhere.  If I do what your saying will it fix that for me?  I will then see "media" in the right side box with the other "devices"?  Such as the drives,  printers,  etc?
13:19.31neoclustwhere does camera:/ goes ?
13:19.40[pkh]yes, edit the kde config files to use media: instead of devices:
13:19.44neoclustit shows nothing for me
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13:20.27KryczekPhilRod: from inside my KDE menu...
13:20.37johnny69[pkh]:   Ok thanks,  will try the grep thing now and edit accordingly.
13:20.43[pkh]k
13:21.18[pkh]has anyone here gotten the default kde system notifications player to generate sounds at lower than 100% volume?
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13:22.13da_bon_bonhey, after reinstalling QT to 3.3.4, all my themes have disappeared from kcontrol, and kde looks uuuugly
13:22.15da_bon_bonplease help
13:22.25Kryczek[pkh]: oh you just solved my problem of not having system notifications :D i had the volume at 50%
13:22.43laurida_bon_bon: recompile kdelibs
13:22.44[pkh]Kryczek: so it doesn't work for you either?
13:22.58da_bon_bonlauri: no, i will reinstall. i use packaging * slackware
13:23.09laurida_bon_bon: widget themes are Qt plugins, if you upgrade Qt, they may not be binary compatible, and they won't load
13:23.09da_bon_bonlauri: so, i just need to reinstall it ?
13:23.18laurida_bon_bon: then, use a kdelibs built against the Qt you have
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13:23.24[pkh]Kryczek: that's all I wanted to know.  doesn't work for anyone I guess...
13:23.38Kryczeksucks :|
13:23.45da_bon_bonlauri: ok
13:23.50da_bon_bonlauri: thanks a looott
13:23.51lauri[pkh]: most of us got tired of the noises about 25 seconds after first hearing them
13:24.03[pkh]Kryczek: I'm wondering why the option is there to have <100% volume if it doens't work...  
13:24.08Kryczeklauri: it's useful for kopete messages
13:24.14Kryczekotherwise i always forget about people talking to me
13:24.20[pkh]lauri: yeah, but I still want -- exactly kopete messages....
13:24.23lauriI think "hi, I'm a new kde user, how do I turn off the sounds" is probably the most FA'ed of Q's *ever*
13:24.50[pkh]lauri: everything turned off except what I want :)  but those I want are coming through at earsplitting volume or not at all...
13:24.59[pkh]v. annoying
13:25.01Kryczeklauri: it's so easy to turn them off... I would ignore such users for plain stupidity
13:25.13lauriit is *now*
13:25.21lauriwhy do you think that got added as a single button?
13:25.28sarah03Kryczek: That makes us look like a bunch of jackasses.
13:25.31[pkh]Kryczek: ah, once you know how to operate the thing it's easy.  the first time there's a lot of buttons and options to work through.
13:25.47lauribecause it wasn't very easy, and it was asked a *lot*
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13:25.52Bart_howdy
13:26.07laurias for kopete, I solve the problem of not noticing people are im'ing me by pretty much not caring if I miss a message :)
13:26.16lauriI suspect that isn't helpful
13:26.20Bart_is there a option that i can use with konquoerer the smb:// shares with kerberos?
13:26.29[pkh]lauri: not really, I use it for work and people get a little pissed :)
13:26.30lauri(you could tab all your chats together, and sticky them on all your desktops)
13:26.44Bart_i have a ticket uptodate.. with smbclient //foo/bar -k i can browse on the windows share without pass or login
13:26.47[pkh]lauri: I've got enough clutter already thanks.
13:26.56Bart_but with konquorer i can´t browse without login and pass?
13:27.02laurihey, I'm trying :)
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13:28.09sarah03It wouldn't be a problem, except that I'm using the same builddir that I used before for 3.4b2, but with a different prefix. So it's trying to link bits and pieces of it to my old install.
13:28.12sarah03:)
13:28.32PhilRodKryczek: you start KDE from your K menu???
13:28.36lauriwell, that's nice of it
13:28.50sarah03lauri: Yup. I hate libtool.
13:29.02sarah03Fortunately all it takes to fix it is a relink.
13:29.14laurisarah03: heh
13:29.22laurinow you make me think of a little bit of KDE history
13:29.38KryczekPhilRod: sorry i thought u said Kdevelop, since you suggested to put it in my .bashrc and launch it from a shell lol
13:29.41KryczekPhilRod: kdm
13:29.52sarah03I've never liked libtool to begin with.
13:29.58Kryczekwho does :p
13:30.07PhilRodKryczek: what kde version?
13:30.17Kryczek3.4
13:30.48laurisarah03: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-cvs&m=98637551015267&w=2
13:30.56laurifollow the 'next in thread links' too :)
13:33.11sarah03lol
13:33.54KryczekPhilRod: any idea ?
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13:37.31da_bon_bonlauri: didnt work. if kdelibs is compiled againt qt 3.3.3 and i have qt 3.3.4, will it work ?
13:38.15laurilike I said, for packages, use a kdelibs compiled against the same qt
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13:38.50da_bon_bonlauri: oh ok... :(
13:39.01da_bon_bonlauri: isnt it just better to use konstruct and build from source ?
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13:39.35PhilRodKryczek: create ~/.kde/env/set-kdedir.sh and put "export KDEDIR=/wherever/" in it
13:39.39PhilRodapt: autostart
13:39.42aptautostart is, like, http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/configure.html question 10.10
13:39.42canllaithHey hey PhilRod :)
13:39.53PhilRodKryczek: ^^^ and read that :-)
13:40.00PhilRodheya canllaith :-)
13:40.06canllaithHow are you? :)
13:40.32PhilRodalright, apart from stressing over the stuff I have to do :-)
13:40.39canllaithheh fair enough
13:40.59KryczekPhilRod: I sincerely think that variable should be in the System Administration -> Paths dialog
13:41.02laurida_bon_bon: you told me you didn't want to compile, you were using packages
13:41.10PhilRodheh, I finally made it to top of the google search results for "Philip Rodrigues" - mostly thanks to planetkde, I imagine :-)
13:41.22lauribut yes, recompiling kdelibs (or even just the widget plugins) would fix this
13:41.30da_bon_bonlauri: i know, but now i am seriously reconsidering.
13:41.30canllaithYeah, I'm like the first 5 pages for 'canllaith' now :|
13:42.12canllaithsquarely too :)
13:42.27da_bon_bonlauri: u use a compiled version of kde ?
13:42.29canllaithhahaha I know, poor things. Gwydion-dylan might make them feel better.. until they actually click on the link that is
13:42.43PhilRodKryczek: I guess it's kinda assumed that it must be set correctly before you run the session
13:45.14KryczekPhilRod: then i will modify it in /usr/kde/3.4/bin/startkde
13:45.16Kryczek:)
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13:46.28membreyahmm how do I fix this without rebooting? kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
13:47.04mfx-try restarting kde only?
13:47.44membreyaroger :D
13:48.06laurisarah03: for the best ever libtool fun
13:48.08lauriinstall esd
13:48.16lauriinstall arts
13:48.18lauriuninstall esd
13:48.20neoclustsomeone on Mandrake here ?
13:48.23qknighthey. when will kaddressbook be fixed? i've got this very annoying error for 1 or 2 months now that i can't change entries or add new ones
13:48.26lauritry to get anything else from KDE to even thnk about linking
13:50.34lauriqknight: "when will <whatever> be fixed" is a really confrontational way to get assistance
13:51.01lauriclearly most people are not having this problem, so it seems to be a bug - did you report it yet?
13:51.08laurihave you checked if anyone else *is* having the problem?
13:51.34da_bon_bonlauri: u use compiled kde or packages ?
13:52.32lauriI have a lot of computers, I use a mix
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13:55.43sarah03lauri: Heh. I have no intention of installing esd. I don't use anything that requires it, so why install it?
13:56.24laurisarah03: I got it accidentally installed by not reading a package install menu clearly enough
13:56.34lauriand missing that it was one of the optional deps
13:56.41sarah03Oops.
13:56.50lauriboy did I regret that (I have it blocked now, in case I ever get that dumb again)
13:57.25qknightlauri: i'm sorry, didn't want to blam anyone for it
13:57.28lauriit's a real bastard (or maybe it's arts, I don't know, anywhere an -larts goes, an -lesd is sure to follow, and rebuilding arts entirely didn't completely get rid of it
13:57.38qknightlauri: just tought that more ppl have discored it
13:57.55lauriqknight: well, the place to find that out, is bugs.kde.org
13:57.55qknightlauri: use jackd
13:57.57lauriif they have, it should be on there
13:58.05lauriand if not, you can report it
13:58.10lauriand I have no use for jackd
13:58.21canllaithOMG HOW HORRIBLE
13:58.26canllaithhttp://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.php/714f9d9e/FindingNemo.jpg&cb=20040306052030
13:58.54sarah03[After coaxing out all of the dependencies on my current KDE install, whee!]
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13:59.16canllaithpoor Nemo :(
13:59.26lauriheh
13:59.28lauripoor canllaith
13:59.46canllaithI don't care about ugly ones. They can get eaten.
13:59.51canllaithCute ones though..... :(
14:00.00sarah03canllaith: That's just ... well, wrong.
14:00.04lauriso basically, hyenas are toast
14:00.15canllaithYeah, pretty much. Kill em all and make sandwiches out of them.
14:00.48sarah03Is it just me or has the population of #kde been growing recently?
14:01.16lauriit hsa
14:01.18laurihas
14:01.29canllaithmmm must be me and lauri dragging the channel down to new lows.
14:01.36lauri40-50 odd people on average more than whenever it was I came back
14:01.43sarah03I remember when I first came in here, it was hovering around 150.
14:01.44lauricanllaith: tone it down now, you're being hostile
14:01.52canllaithHey, don't you tell *ME* to tone it down!
14:02.01canllaithDon't be such an angry woman
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14:02.10lauric'mere and say that, wench!
14:02.18canllaithgonna spank me if I do ;)
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14:02.24laurionly if you ask nice
14:02.47canllaithhehehe whoops, this aint -docs
14:02.55sarah03lol
14:03.56scrooge0.o
14:04.00frinkillore :)
14:04.03scroogewtf going on in here?
14:04.04scroogedoc wars?
14:04.12scroogemoin!
14:04.14scrooge:D
14:04.20canllaithahahahaha
14:04.26diveHi, I'm going to be upgrading from KDE 3.3.2 to KDE 3.4 later on today (ie, once it's done building). I was wondering: do I have to redo any settings after the upgrade, or delete my user preferences before starting up with the new KDE?
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14:04.34canllaith'see the docugoddesses, live steamy hot action!'
14:04.37scroogelol
14:04.39sarah03lol
14:04.44lauridive: in theory, no
14:04.51canllaith'watch the docudominatrix and her submissive most faqable companion'
14:04.52lauridive: in practise, back them up just in case
14:04.57divenod okay
14:05.00scroogedive: which distro?
14:05.00lauribut probably still no
14:05.08lauriindeed, canllaith is the faqable one
14:05.09divescrooge: not running Linux. NetBSD
14:05.15scroogeahh
14:05.34laurioh you should have even less trouble in that department than most then
14:05.38scroogein gentoo, there slotted. so 3.3 has its slot, 3.4 has its slot but all settings are copied over to the latest kde
14:05.43sarah03Mm. NetBSD.
14:06.05laurinot to say the bsd packaging is perfect, but most of the issues over busting user prefs tend to come from distributions package/desktop customizations
14:06.18scroogeand `cleanlinks`
14:06.21scrooge*shudder*
14:06.25scroogeEVILNESS I TELL YOU
14:06.39frinkillolauri: do you remember the question about Sieve support in KMail? I'm still stuck without knowing how to use it =)
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14:06.52divelauri: ah. NetBSD pkgsrc (as far as I know) doesn't do any real distro-customization other than sticking a daemon icon where a penguin one would go in some places, I think.
14:06.54laurifrinkillo: oh heh, I still don't know the answer
14:07.11frinkilloheh, ok
14:07.14laurinope, it's pretty much stock (freebsd too)
14:07.16scrooge*cough* soooooo....
14:07.21scroogewats for breakfast? 0:D
14:07.32brucehoultoh faqable one...
14:07.42diveI started a betting pool among some friends of mine... how long KDE 3.4 will take to build ;-)
14:07.50lauribrucehoult: you have input for her?
14:07.55sarah03dive: Depends on how much of it you're building. :D
14:08.00lauridive: how long is a piece of string?
14:08.01diveif I recall correctly, 3.3.2 took about ten hours, but I only had half a gig of ram back then
14:08.03scroogeand hardware!
14:08.08divelauri: lol
14:08.26lauridive: give it lots of ram, buit it across another hard drive if you can, turn on enable-final if you can (freebsd ports provide a switch for that)
14:08.30scrooge[========================] <---that long
14:08.37scroogegive or take a =
14:08.41lauriand it'll take about not quite as long as that piece of string to build
14:08.49divelauri: it's building across two SATA150 7200RPM+8MB cache drives
14:08.55lauriand you don't have to build all of everything
14:08.56scrooge:O
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14:09.11scroogeenable-final...wats that do? hmm
14:09.29divethe chroot I'm building it in is on a non-softdep'd drive, but all the object files and package source is on a softdep'd drive
14:09.30sarah03scrooge: Builds entire modules as a single file.
14:09.37lauridive: compiling can get quite i/o bound, source on one drive, build directories on the other, actually makes a noticeable difference
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14:10.18divelauri: yeah, that's why I spread out my pkg_comp chroot so that it gets source from one drive but does the real work on another
14:10.28lauriand yeah, enable-final wants a half a gig or more of ram, but it can knock a third off your build time (it can also fail really really hard)
14:10.37lauribut it's well tested in release builds
14:10.41scroogeahh ok
14:10.55divewell, it's already been building for two and a half hours, I'm not gonna go restart it now grin
14:10.58sarah03Benefits are, it compiles faster. Downsides are, if you want to go tweaking or anything, well, you basically have to rebuild the entire module.
14:10.59diveI'm patient
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14:11.07lauriit's not much use to developing unfortunately, since you don't want to recompile all the stuff you didn't touch just becasue you touched something in one directory
14:11.16laurialso it screws up debug sometimes
14:11.42lauri(bt's with bad line numbers)
14:12.00sarah03[It's useless when you want to track HEAD, for the hell of it. Yes, I'm strange.]
14:12.44lauriwell, we assume you will be assimilated^Wmotivated to join us, eventually
14:13.01divelol, who?
14:13.11diveme? I'm already a KDE fan :)
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14:13.38diveonce I saw how nice 3.3.2 was on a 2.16ghz athlon with a half gig of ram, there was no turning back
14:13.43sarah03dive: I believe she's talking about me. :D
14:13.46diveoh
14:14.37divewell then, in that case, sarah03: resistance is fluxboxtile. you will be assimilated. or something like that...
14:14.42sarah03It's nice on an Athlon 800, as well. I never did use 3.3.2, though. I went from the 3.2 betas to 3.2.1 to 3.3.1 to 3.4 betas and now I'm building 3.4.89 [yesterday's CVS.]
14:15.12sarah03dive: At least you aren't Dyslexic of Borg: Resistance is fertile. Your ass shall be laminated.
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14:15.37divehaha, I've never heard that with the resistance is fertile bit before
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14:16.05sarah03It had to be said. :D
14:16.42diveit was only fair, since I told you that you were going to be assimilated
14:17.07divehaving one's ass laminated might prove to be very inconvenient, however
14:17.33sarah03lol
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14:17.38sarah03Yup, I would imagine so.
14:18.01brucehoultit would make it less likely to get wrinkles, I guess
14:18.06diveugh, I really need to get a UPS. mine died a couple months ago, and the power went out the other day. waiting for 265-ish gigs to fsck fscking sucks.
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16:04.22*** topic/#kde is KDE 3.4 released | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/ - the answer to your question might already be here! | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | If you've just upgraded to 3.4 using Konstruct and your KDE has strange colours and symbols everywhere, check your $QTDIR !
16:05.20Zalamanderso, I'll get to reading the docs on this of course, but I'm curious first: how selective can I be when compiling KDE? For example, can I say "don't include knotes", and things like kontact will know then not to look for knotes, and throw an error?
16:05.32laurisure
16:05.40lauriehm
16:05.50laurirather, they won't throw an error
16:06.00lauriyou need kdelibs, for anything else to compile
16:06.08lauriyou need kdebase, if you want to run "KDE" the desktop (ie, as intended)
16:06.40laurianything further is pretty much optional, and things should stop at the configure stage, if you're trying to disable something they really want
16:06.40Zalamandersure, I want to build "KDE", but maybe just cull out a few dozen apps that I never use.
16:07.19lauriif you get it *compiled* then you're fine, kontact won't barf if knotes isn't there, it just won't offer the notes funcions
16:07.27Zalamanderso if I build without noatun, for example, will clicking on an mp3 file (BY DEFAULT) throw an error that "noatun could not be found" ?
16:07.38laurino
16:07.41Zalamandercool
16:07.46lauriit'll ask you what you want to open it with
16:07.47ZalamanderI understand I can set my file prefs
16:07.48laurior use some other player, if one's been set
16:07.52Zalamandergreat
16:07.56laurisure
16:08.24ZalamanderI've heard of "konstruct". Is this a recommended building tool? I'm comfortable with straight command-line compiles and such
16:08.34laurinoatun is no hard dependency for instance, just a default (and one of a list, every media player you install that KDE knows about, goes in the list, adn it'll just take the most preferred one)
16:08.43lauriZalamander: it's an automation
16:08.46ZalamanderI see
16:08.59Zalamanderlauri an automation of the build?
16:09.07lauriit'll handle the dependencies for you, it's configurable, it'll go fetch teh sources, build and install the bits you tell it to
16:09.28lauriright
16:09.56Zalamandercool, I would probably opt to do it manually the first time at least, but that sounds like a good tool if it works well.
16:10.50Zalamanderthanks again for all the info. Have a great day everyone
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16:10.57lauriI've never used it :)
16:11.00lauribut a lot of people do
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16:33.05FlendorHello.
16:33.57srednaHi Flendor :)
16:34.09FlendorHey there Anders :) How's it going?
16:34.14FlendorI'm downloading KDE 3.4 :)
16:34.18srednaGood thanks :)
16:34.52srednaHow are you?
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16:36.37FlendorI'm pretty well :)
16:36.58FlendorI have to fix my uncle's Win98 box tomorrow :/
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16:47.38eidolonhey folks - anyone had a problem with gnome-control-settings not starting when KDE starts?  this didn't used to happen... but the problem is that i start xchat and my fonts are all hosed.  then if i launch gnome-control-center, and double-click on 'fonts', xchat immediately updates with the correct fonts (i'm assuming cuz it's launching gnome-settings-daemon).  is there some trigger to get that started automatically in KDE?
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16:48.00eidoloni need the gnome-settings-daemon running for things like evolution and xchat.
16:48.01srednaFlendor: Easy, install linux :o
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16:49.38srednaeidolon: You can use the autostart directory to start programs not handeled by the kde session manager, or if you have a recent verison of KDE, a script in ~/.kde/env/*.sh
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16:50.32eidolonyah, actually, i think ijust found an article on it.  i've symlinked /usr/bin/gnome-settings-daemon into ~/.kde/Autostart/
16:51.40srednaeidolon: That should work I guess
16:51.45eidolonheh
16:53.04Flendorsredna - I wish I could, but my cousins (10 - 13 years) are game freaks
16:53.19srednaWineX?
16:53.39eidoloni'm evaluating cedega now.
16:53.42eidolonit's not all that great.
16:53.57eidoloni've gotten -one- game working so far, and it's twitchy. (wc3)
16:53.58srednaWhat is cedega?
16:54.04eidoloncedega is the commercial side of winex.
16:54.10srednaOh
16:54.19Flendorsredna - They wouldn't bother :/
16:54.32FlendorThey would just get another guy to re-install Windows
16:54.36sarah03I just don't bother gaming with Wine or derivatives.
16:54.42FlendorGood bye, and bon appetit.
16:55.04eidolonthe whole gaming thing has gotten me pretty grumpy.  i miss real games, and the linux offerings are pretty slim.
16:55.09sarah03But, then again, the games that I play on a regular basis - spider solitaire.
16:55.33Flendoreidolon - I agree. That's why I've never been able to keep Windows out of my PC's for a long time.
16:55.41eidoloni just have another machine :)
16:55.45FlendorHeh :)
16:55.49FlendorI have only one :/
16:55.59sarah03I got to a point while playing klondike that I could finish off a game of it in about 70 seconds.
16:56.01eidolonbut it's *points8 over there.  anyway.  i really should do work anyway :)
16:56.16FlendorBut when I get a leet Athlon 64 I might make this PC a Linux one :D
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16:56.28Flendor..oh, no, cousins will seize it :/
16:56.32Flendorsarah - LOL
16:56.43eidolonk, i gotta restart to check this autostart fun.  bbiafew.
16:56.54FlendorI got quite advanced in Minefield (Win) some years ago..
16:56.55sarah03*click*click*click*click*click* done.
16:57.11Flendor...where I could finish a game in 13 seconds..
16:57.28PieDFlendor: my brother did 9 seconds :)
16:57.30FlendorI don't remember the size though :/ It might even be the time it took me to finish a map on my cell phone..
16:57.48FlendorPieD, LOL, own3d :)
16:58.16sarah03Spider solitaire presents a wee bit more of a challenge than klondike - it takes me about 3 minutes to finish a game of it off, instead of 70 seconds.
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16:59.04Flendorsarah - I used to be hooked to TuxRacer when I was on SuSE..
16:59.12Flendor..never managed to get it running under Slack tho :/
17:01.33frerichSince I fixed the algorithm which checks whether the game can be won, I always check the possible moves like the algorithm does - one by one, very slowly. :}
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17:50.35Hoochie-Coochie-Has anyone managed to compile amaroK 1.2.3 from sources? :)
17:51.02annmaHoochie-Coochie-: what error do you get? -> in paste bin
17:51.18Hoochie-Coochie-check it out right here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TrSa9c71.html
17:51.28Hoochie-Coochie-libz in fact...
17:51.31dolphinannma: can you tell?
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17:52.12annmaHoochie-Coochie-: first it's not even compilation it's configuration
17:52.28Hoochie-Coochie-annma> right you are
17:52.47annmaHoochie-Coochie-: so what is your distro?
17:52.53Hoochie-Coochie-annma> so, any ideas?
17:53.03annmaHoochie-Coochie-: so what is your distro?
17:53.11peppelorumHaving trouble to get Kopete to display åäö (swedish characters) from some contacts, http://rafb.net/paste/results/MDFFaF92.html
17:53.14Hoochie-Coochie-annma> Slackware GNU\Linux, but does it really matter?
17:53.17peppelorumis the message I get
17:53.28annmaHoochie-Coochie-: XFree version or xorg?
17:53.54Hoochie-Coochie-annma> 6.8.1
17:54.07Hoochie-Coochie-annma> I mean xorg
17:54.29annmadis you upgrade recently?
17:55.00annmapeppelorum: you also have trouble on IRC, I see squares
17:55.03Hoochie-Coochie-you mean to the most recent version of xorg?
17:55.23peppelorumannma: I use iso8859-1
17:55.23Hoochie-Coochie-annma> no, actually. I use the one version after the most latest
17:55.33annmapeppelorum: use utf8
17:55.44Hoochie-Coochie-annma> do you mean to say that libz is connected with xorg, don't you?
17:55.53peppelorumannma: that's bad
17:56.00annmapeppelorum: lol
17:56.03annmaof course not
17:56.15annmaéàçè
17:56.29peppelorumannma: =)
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17:56.30annmapeppelorum: do you see that ^?
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17:56.52peppelorumApart from that, how do I change the encoding for a special contact in Kopete?
17:57.49annmaSettings -> Configure Kopete -> Appearance
17:57.56annmaFonts & Colors tab
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17:58.21Static_-X-_does anyone know where i can get the desktop addons like calender and cpu temp etc
17:58.33Static_-X-_or at least what are they called so i can search
17:58.52annmacalendar is shipped with clock
17:59.11peppelorumannma: where? I can't find it, http://peppesbodega.nu/turban/tumbo/Bilder/Screenshots/kde/kopete.png
17:59.13kottlettit's a small program called karamba/superkaramba... you can get it and the themes at www.kde-look.org
18:00.13annmapeppelorum: does Verdana support swedish?
18:00.26peppelorumannma: of course
18:00.36annmaso why do you have a problem?
18:00.43annmabecause you're not utf8?
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18:00.59moserredoes anyone know a kde app for subversion?
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18:01.40annmakdevelop
18:01.45annmanothing else
18:01.48peppelorumannma: I've got utf-8 as a locale, but not as the standard. This is how it doesn't work, http://peppesbodega.nu/turban/tumbo/Bilder/Screenshots/kde/kopete2.png
18:01.51annmacommand line is easy though
18:02.08moserreannma: kdevelop can svn?
18:02.09annmapeppelorum: then put utf8 in kcontrol
18:02.15annmamoserre: I just said so
18:02.22moserrecool thx
18:02.40annmapeppelorum: did you see my chars previously?
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18:03.05Bart_howdy
18:03.15peppelorumannma: not as they should be no, so I'm missing utf-8 totally or?
18:03.16Bart_anybody knows how can i use kerberos with kde3?
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18:03.48annmapeppelorum: same as in kopete, you see what you write but NOT what others write
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18:15.55Bart_anybody ever used konqueror, smb & kerberos
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18:18.13annmawhat is kerberos?
18:18.29Bart_annma is a authentification method for smb
18:18.42Hoochie-Coochie-annma> erm... Here I am back again )
18:18.42annmado you need it?
18:18.47Bart_i want that i can browse smb with the konquorer and kerberos
18:18.52Bart_annma yes i need it
18:19.03annmaHoochie-Coochie-: so is your KDE working properly?
18:19.30Hoochie-Coochie-annma> sure! I compiled amaroK 1.x.x before without any trouble
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18:19.48Hoochie-Coochie-annma> and used my packages for other machines - they work just fine
18:19.48annmaon the same machine?
18:20.02Hoochie-Coochie-annma> correct
18:20.03annmaI mean with the same xorg?
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18:20.07SimpleguyHi, is this an appropriate channel for KDE advocacy-related stuff?
18:20.11Hoochie-Coochie-annma> yes
18:20.14annmaadvocacy?
18:20.25annmaSimpleguy: no spam here
18:20.29Simpleguyyes, promoting KDE.
18:20.31Hoochie-Coochie-Simpleguy> you wanna argue here?
18:20.43annmaSimpleguy: thi is a kde channel so it promotes kde
18:21.13SimpleguyI am thinking of doing a KDE presentation at the monthly group meeting of my local LUG
18:21.28annmaHoochie-Coochie-: look in your config.log as suggested
18:21.36annmaSimpleguy: yes, good
18:21.50annmaSimpleguy: I also did that
18:21.50SimpleguyI wanted to know if you folks already had promotional material such as slides.
18:21.54annmano
18:22.01Hoochie-Coochie-annma> what exactly do you propose to look for?
18:22.08annmaSimpleguy: you can end or start with konqi video
18:22.16annmaHoochie-Coochie-: post it on paste bin
18:22.30annmaSimpleguy: the rest you'll have to do yourself
18:22.33SimpleguyI found a 2003-dated presentation on the www I do not know if the information in there is still valid.
18:22.45Tomasuwhere are the "auto-save" settings for kate? (ie: save every 5min, etc)
18:22.46annma2003 will be quite obsolete
18:22.52TomasuI cant seem to find any
18:22.56Hoochie-Coochie-annma> wanna see a completet file?
18:23.12Goliath23can't I use openGL (nvidia) AND the composite extension in Xorg?
18:23.15Goliath23If I enable composite then the glx module doesn't load
18:23.28annmaHoochie-Coochie-: yes
18:23.39annmaTomasu: then it does not exist
18:23.58SimpleguyGoliath23, : Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"  in Section "Device" in xorg.conf
18:24.06Static_-X-_is there a way to make the background of konqueror transparent
18:24.40Goliath23Simpleguy: Oh, Thank YOU ;)
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18:24.48Goliath23will try it immediately
18:25.37Tomasuannma, why would it not have autosave?
18:25.54annmaTomasu: why would it?
18:26.43Tomasubecause just yesterday my system locked up due to a run away process, and I had several files unsaved... had kate autosaved them, Id have lost less work.
18:27.22annmayes so file a bug report
18:27.46Tomasuwow, youre helpful ::)
18:28.25annmawell if it does not exist, how can I make it exist?
18:28.58TomasuI thought I could have been missing something... hence the question.
18:29.09Hoochie-Coochie-annma> here you're :)
18:29.13Hoochie-Coochie-annma> http://rafb.net/paste/results/XgTh5B14.html
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18:30.18annmaHoochie-Coochie-: seems due to your slacware package
18:30.42annmaHoochie-Coochie-: did you use google to see if there were same errors reported?
18:30.44Hoochie-Coochie-annma> not really sure what you mean... clarify, please
18:31.16FlendorHey, hello annma :) How are you?
18:31.19annma: undefined reference to `gzgets'
18:31.21annma/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-slackware-linux/3.3.4/../../../libz.so: undefined reference to `errno'
18:31.21annmacollect2: ld returned 1 exit status
18:31.29annmain your config.log, Hoochie-Coochie-
18:31.41annmayour libz.so is not ok
18:31.43Hoochie-Coochie-annma> I see
18:32.10annmaso did you look for same errors?
18:32.24annmain slackware forums or in Google?
18:32.26Hoochie-Coochie-annma> no... wait a minute... I've got an idea
18:33.35Hoochie-Coochie-annma> nevermind
18:33.43Hoochie-Coochie-annma> forget it
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18:34.54annmaHoochie-Coochie-: did you fix it?
18:36.29Hoochie-Coochie-annma> no
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19:12.50phantom_hi all
19:13.41phantom_does anyone know if it's posible, via javascript, to open a conection to a local socket?
19:14.12phantom_I mean, in konqueror, open a conection to a socket via JS
19:15.07sarah03phantom_: Uh, it's possible to make arbitrary HTTP requests via JavaScript, to the originating host of the page in question.
19:15.12PieDtiny question about KHTML and Javascript :
19:15.22sarah03But beyond that, I don't believe so.
19:15.42PieDis there a Javascript reference for KHTML (so only the fonctions included in KHTML + objects references off course)
19:15.57PieDor a tool like venkman, allowing objects exploration for instance ?
19:16.04PieDall that using JS...
19:16.25PieDI'm not really interested about the c++ interface of KHTML :)
19:16.32PieD(I'll be later, but not yet)
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19:19.37slayerbobcan anyone connect to msn with kopete at the moment ?
19:19.55FlendorI cannot connect to msn at all, even with Messenger itself
19:20.00juliuskIt seems that msn is not working :(
19:20.08slayerbobah that might explain it :P
19:20.12slayerbobhiya Flendor :P
19:20.31PieD(jabber works)
19:20.32juliuskthey were doing some security tests today I think, but that was supossed to affect msn messenger 7 users only
19:20.47Flendorhey slayer ( :P )
19:21.10PieD(on jabber, you get such "security tests" affecting clients only on test servers)
19:22.07juliuskwhat's the "best"  (is there is any) jabber client? I might give it a try :P
19:22.29PieDKopete
19:22.32PieDor Psi
19:22.38PieD(or gabber ?)
19:22.59slayerbobkopete is the best something ? :|
19:23.15juliuskI don't like kopete at all :P
19:23.17PieDKopete is great
19:23.21PieDI really like it
19:23.33FlendorI like Kopete too
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19:24.47PieDdid you report that ?
19:24.51SchopfeRstop to crash ? / stop crashing ?
19:24.51PieDjuliusk: yes, I'm
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19:25.24juliuskPieD, in konqueror, when you browse a folder that contains any .svgz file, can you see the thumbnail?
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19:25.47PieDcould you send me such a file or give me a link to download one ? :p
19:26.08juliuskthere are many in /usr/share/icons
19:26.14juliuskthen look for the scalable folder of any theme :P
19:26.45pontoIs it possible to follow Links in PDFs via kpdf?
19:28.23PieDjuliusk: yes, I've the thumbnails
19:28.24PieD(nice :)
19:28.54SchopfeRhttp://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=22469
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19:30.08juliuskI can't see any thumbnail when I'm not using a root konqueror :(
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19:32.47peratuHi.
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19:34.15peratuHi funky.
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19:36.07funkyhey peratu
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19:48.38PhilRodfunky: don't think so - but why not use dcop?
19:50.50funkyPhilRod: no reason, just curiosity, Im already using dcop to perform it
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20:02.26TilosWhat theme/background is this guy using? http://www.gentoo-portage.com/Image/7
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20:02.59mad_moseswhere i can download kde 3.4 for mandrake 10.1
20:02.59mad_moses?
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20:03.35apokryphosmad_moses: if you add an extra source, you can urpmi for it
20:03.56mad_moseswhere i can find a urpmi source for kde?
20:05.01PhilRodTilos: the widget style looks like plastik, the icon style looks familiar, so it's either in kdeartwork or a popular one on kde-look.org
20:05.18PhilRodas for the bg, I guess it's something that comes with gentoo, since it's got a gentoo build no. on it
20:05.59TilosBut it looks sort of darker than Plastik and the window buttons (minimize, maximize, etc.) stand out less from the bar.
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20:06.10apokryphosmad_moses: google for Thac's
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20:09.11SteamedPenguinTilos: PhilRod said widget style, that's not the Win Decoration
20:09.41TilosAh, so what's the window decoration? :P
20:10.02PhilRodactually, I thought the windeco was plastik too, but with a different colour scheme :-)
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20:12.05SteamedPenguinPhilRod: nah, it ain't, if you look at the buttons they aren't distinct in the PLastik style
20:12.12PhilRodok
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20:13.28lethal_dosehello, i've changed all fonts in kcontrol and in konqueror's settings, but filename's fonts arent affected... how can i change them?
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20:14.52Tilosfound the wallpaper. :P
20:15.22kottlettlethal_dose: you must have missed some... usually thy are affected by the font-settings... perhaps you need to restart konqui?
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20:16.54TronicWhere can I adjust the menu open delay?
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20:16.56mad_mosesapokryphos, here are the packetes http://mirror.aca.oakland.edu/rpm.nyvalls.se/10.1/RPMS/kde-3.4.0/ but how i can download it all and install?
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20:18.18apokryphosmad_moses: Google for urpmi faq. :)
20:18.29TronicIs it buried somewhere in kcontrol, perhaps in some config file, or do I need to edit the fine source?
20:18.29lethal_dosekottlett, i restarted konqueror and menu fonts, toolbar fonts were affected.. just not filenames ...
20:18.58octanerr.. how do i remap my keybord buttons.. i keep on pressing "print screen" and a screenshot app starts.. i dont want that to happen :/
20:19.06kottlettlethal_dose: strange... worked for me :-/
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20:20.48aseigooctan: in the control center there are panels for Keyboard Shortcuts (in the Regional and Accessibility grouping) and you can set up application shortcuts in KHotKeys as well
20:20.53lethal_dosekottlett, did you change in kcontrol or in konquerors settings?
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20:22.09kottlettlethal_dose: kcontrol only
20:22.53chalex20Hi all! Does anyone know how I may force KDE NOT to run on secondary screen in dual-head non-xinerama configuration?
20:24.24inominechalex20: You mean using a merged framebuffer?
20:24.37lethal_dosekottlett, problem solved! i was changing them in kcontrol --> Appearance --> fonts, now i tried kcontrol --> KDE Components --> Font
20:24.41lethal_doseand it worked :)
20:25.30kottlettstrange... I don't have a font entry in kde-componetnts :P
20:26.06chalex20inomine: No, I've got a dual-head card, and I defined each head as a separate screen within the same display, :0.0 and :0.1. Now, KDE runs a session a screen. I want it to run only on :0.0, and leave :0.1 unoccupied
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20:26.46simmerzis there any way to make openoffice use qt themes?
20:27.24lethal_dosekottlett, kde components -> filemanager -> font
20:27.34inominechalex20: Good question, I don't really know. Purely out of interest what do you need it for?
20:28.14kottlettlethal_dose: ah... didn't know that one. but somehow the right font is selected there
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20:28.36chalex20The second screen is a TV, the only thing I would like to do with it is to run films full screen. I don't need any KDE session there.
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20:32.00[2df]up 41 a wow
20:32.07inominechalex20: The simple solution is to just use Xinerama. You can run a video player fullscreen on a single screen without any problems, I've done it in the past. Or are you looking for a proper solution?
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20:34.00chalex20inomine: It runs well without Xinerama, too. But why should I waste resources running unneeded KDE session?
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20:35.38inominechalex20: Why does it waste more resources? If you use Xinerama then there is only one copy of KDE running, if what you do what you are proposing to do it wastes even more resources as it is running two seperate window managers.
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20:37.00chalex20Yes. So I want neither this nor that. No window manager, no KDE session, nothing. Just pure X.
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20:46.29bobbyzEver since I upgraded to kde 3.4, my home directory sidebar in konqueror shows archive files as folders.  Is there any way to disable this?  I can't seem to find the configuration option if there is one available
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20:48.46ImNotMarkanyone here use kuake?
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21:09.03Iainanyone fancy helping a desperate noob with kppp?
21:09.04Iain:)
21:09.48Iainif this is not the best place to go
21:09.53Iainplease point me somewhere else
21:09.54Iain:)
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21:12.14slayerbobactually this is probably the best place for help with kde components like kppp :)
21:12.30Iainwell please help me
21:12.30slayerbobunfortunately I do not have a modem so cannot help :P
21:12.31Iain!!!
21:12.34Iainah
21:12.38Iain:(
21:12.40Iainyou tease
21:12.43Iain;)
21:12.52slayerbobyou could try using wvdial - that is what I have used in the past :P
21:12.57Iainwvdial
21:12.58Iainhmm
21:13.02Iainok I'll have a go with it
21:13.20IainI have tried everything else
21:13.27Iainmodem seems OK
21:13.32Iainjust can't connect to anything
21:13.41Iainmakes no difference if the modem is plugged in or not
21:13.44Iainsame message
21:13.51IainERROR
21:13.56Iainnot very helpful
21:13.57Iain:(
21:14.03slayerbobwhat happens if you try to talk to the modem directly with something like minicom ?
21:14.07Iainit works
21:14.12IainI can query it with KPPP
21:14.15Iainand with minicom
21:14.24slayerbobok cool so the modem itself is working then :P
21:14.31Iainyes at least that's true
21:14.47IainI'll try wvdial
21:14.57Iainbut I hope someone else comes along...
21:15.00slayerbobwell as i recall to make kppp work you just need to set up the account and the modem
21:15.05slayerboband then it should all just go
21:15.13Iainthat's what I've done...
21:15.18Iainweird
21:15.24slayerbobif i had my other notebook here i could just look on that since i had kppp set up but sadly the screen on it is dead atm :(
21:15.41slayerbobdo you get any helpful error messages in the logs ?
21:15.42IainI even took it to my mum's house, as I thought it might be something
21:15.50Iainto do with the phone sockets
21:15.56Iainbut I still got the same message
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21:16.05IainI'll try to find them
21:16.22Iainmust be in the kppp directory I suppose
21:16.27slayerbobhave you tried unticking the "wait for dial tone before dialing" box ?
21:16.28Iainthanks for the tips
21:16.31IainI'll try them now
21:16.33Iainyes I have
21:16.42IainI've tried all the options
21:16.51slayerboband you've turned the speed down to 115200 ?
21:16.56IainALL the options
21:16.56Iainyes
21:17.15slayerbobis it using the correct modem device ?
21:17.28slayerbobsometimes /dev/modem does not point to the modem itself...
21:17.31Iainyes, I have only got one serial connection
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21:17.35slayerbobparticularly if you have one of those winmodems
21:17.36Iainand I ran the modem detector
21:17.41slayerbobah ok
21:17.44IainI specially bought a hardware modem
21:17.46Iain:(
21:17.56slayerbobit sounds like you have done everything right :P
21:18.04Iainhmm
21:18.13slayerbobdo you have pppd installed ?
21:18.16Iainwell I'll try the logs and wvdial
21:18.22Iainnot sure
21:18.36slayerbobyou need pppd in order for dialup internet to work
21:18.36IainI tried that with VectorLinux, but I could not get it to work
21:18.44Iainnor the dialer program on vectorlinux
21:18.51slayerbobwell... unless you have an old old internet connection using slip or something :P
21:18.53slayerbobhmmmm
21:19.02Iainsurely it's installed by default?
21:19.05IainI'm using Knoppix
21:19.17slayerbobalso in order for pppd to work you need some stuff turned on in the kernel, so if you compiled your own kernel you will need to check that it is on
21:19.26slayerboboh in knoppix it should all be there already :P
21:19.29Iainno I just used the knoppix defaults
21:19.31Iain:(
21:19.44Iainactually, I am pretty impressed with Knoppix otherwise
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21:20.04Iainthanks for your time
21:20.10slayerbobnp and good luck
21:20.15IainI'll try wvdial and look at the logs
21:20.19Iainotherwise, I'll just give up
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21:20.26Iainand try Win98 one last time
21:20.32Iainug!
21:20.56Iaincya later
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21:25.08Patrick`r/wc
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21:28.24chimaerawhich componets in 3.4 need libfam?
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21:34.25illogic-alchimaera: none _need_ libfam it's optional
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21:35.03chimaeraillissius_: ok, but which can use it and for what?
21:35.13agiofws<PROTECTED>
21:35.14agiofwspanigrc could not open default font 'fixed'
21:35.32agiofwscan someone help me get my x-server back up again please
21:35.37illogic-alfam is used, to the best of my knowledge to notify "stuff" when the contents of directories has changed
21:35.50lunitikagiofws: in #kde? ot...
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21:36.11lunitikillogic-al: 'File Alteration Monitor'...
21:36.23agiofwslunitik,  witch channel...?
21:36.26agiofwsxfree?
21:36.32agiofwswhich*
21:36.37illogic-allunitik: and you're telling me this why?
21:36.56lunitikagiofws: what distro?
21:37.01agiofwscan someone help me get my x-server back up again please i get this error
21:37.05agiofwswait
21:37.35lunitikillogic-al: its self explainatory... no need to try and explain it  :/
21:37.44lunitik(fam, not what I said)
21:37.56agiofwsits mandrake 10
21:38.07agiofwskde 3.3..
21:38.20agiofwsi canot get into x so i canot get into kde
21:38.20lunitikagiofws: #mandrake ... or wherever they specify for support...
21:38.34lunitikagiofws: other than sitting on top of X... KDE has nothing to do with it.
21:38.35agiofwsits a x-server thing///
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21:38.50agiofwsyes its x that want to find font -x  
21:38.51lunitikagiofws: its not KDE's fault though  :/
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21:39.11agiofwslunitik,  but i was playing with the fonts in KDE control center!!
21:39.16illogic-allunitik: so your comment was explaining the self explanatory. how novel.
21:39.30nordleHas the kontact splash screen been removed / disabled in kde 3.4?
21:39.30agiofwsand x-server now canopt load
21:39.37illogic-alagiofws: you deleted fonts?
21:39.55agiofwsyes he did...
21:40.02illogic-al'he' ?
21:40.10agiofwsyes he
21:40.19agiofwsits a thord person i'm asking for
21:40.23agiofwsthird*
21:40.29illogic-al" but i was playing with the fonts in KDE control center!!"
21:40.52agiofwsillogic-al,  yes i know
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21:41.17illogic-also were you playing with fonts, or was he playing with fonts
21:41.27lunitikagiofws: #linux or #linux-help
21:41.47lunitik_not_ here
21:42.14illogic-alagiofws: ignore lunitik. answer my question
21:42.45agiofwshe was.... i'm asking for another person..
21:43.10illogic-alis "he" able to use urpmi?
21:43.30illogic-alhe can probably fix the fonts he uninstalled by reinstalling the package
21:43.45agiofwsprobably form console..
21:43.59agiofwsyeah what should he isseu..
21:44.33illogic-alopen rpmdrake-remove, search for install font packages
21:45.02illogic-aldelete the standard X fonts packages that are installed, note their names, reinstall the font packages
21:45.02agiofwsi'm not familiar with rmp packet manager....
21:45.10agiofwscould you gine the exact commands
21:45.14agiofwsgive*
21:45.30illogic-alno. because i don't know what version of mdk he's using
21:45.38agiofws10
21:46.14illogic-alk, has he opened rpmdrake-remove yet?
21:46.45agiofwshe does not have gui at this moment ...x-server is down..
21:46.56illogic-alah. right.
21:47.06agiofwsitsalla got o go from console. i think
21:47.12illogic-alok then, run this command as root
21:47.21illogic-alurpmq xorg
21:47.30agiofwshe has xfree
21:47.35agiofwsserver
21:47.42illogic-alurpmq xfree then
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21:48.15agiofwsthat unistalls..
21:48.23agiofwsthen...?
21:48.33agiofwsbut he wants fonts not the server
21:48.42panigrchi
21:49.01panigrci am the one who has that font problem
21:49.06agiofwslol..
21:49.40agiofwspanigrc, type  urpmq xfree
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21:49.55illogic-alpanigrc: groovy. urpmq XFree86
21:50.11illogic-albah
21:50.33illogic-alurpme XFree86-100dpi-fonts
21:50.37panigrcwhat does this command do
21:50.39illogic-alstupid copy n paste
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21:50.58illogic-alpanigrc: that will remove the old 100dpi fonts if they are installed
21:51.25illogic-alurpmi XFree86-100dpi-fonts will then install them
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21:51.51darixi have some weird behavior in konqueror.
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21:52.25agiofwsillogic-al,  what should he have in  font FontPath in /etc/X11/XF86Config ?
21:53.05illogic-alhe doesn't need to mess with that file.
21:53.20panigrcthe real config is /etc/X11/XF84Config-4
21:53.25illogic-alassuming that he hasn't already
21:53.29illogic-aldarix: like?
21:53.46agiofwspanigrc,  in etc/X11/XF86Config-4 you should have this line Section "Files"\n     FontPath  "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
21:53.49darixillogic-al: typing and got distracted. gimme 1-2mins
21:54.03panigrcyes this is true
21:54.17panigrcand also paths for hellenic fonts
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21:55.03panigrcwill i need the dvd ?
21:55.05agiofwsso do what illogic-al  said  ...
21:55.16panigrcto reinstall the fonts
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21:55.41illogic-alyou'll find out as soon as you try the command i gave you
21:55.46panigrcok
21:55.48panigrcthanx
21:55.59panigrcim going now to try it out
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21:56.08illogic-alit's possible that it will attempt to download from the internet
21:56.15darixillogic-al: i dont run with kwin/kde session. from my .xsession i launch kdeinit
21:56.28panigrcthanx
21:56.33illogic-alyay
21:57.05darixillogic-al: now if i visit a site with http-auth it prompts me for the password. but doesnt offer the stored values from kwallet.
21:57.21darixafter i typed in the correct username and password it prompts me for the kdewallet password
21:57.40darix(although i not set the tick on "save password")
22:00.14darixi will just test it on a floating desktop
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22:01.18illogic-aldarix: i'm trying this in XNest
22:01.25darixok reproducable.
22:01.58darixthe kwallet comes after successfully login
22:02.04darixillogic-al: window manager is ion3
22:02.25illogic-ali'm trying in fluxbox
22:02.34darixok
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22:04.24henrik__how long does it usually takes for debian community to provide packages for downloads? I wonder if I should bother compile the whole thing or just wait...
22:04.45darixhenrik__: depends.
22:05.27henrik__darix: is it probably within some days, or weeks, months?
22:05.43Skiverare you waiting for 3.4 ?
22:05.46henrik__yes
22:06.10Skiverpreview is available
22:06.17darixhenrik__: more weeks than days.
22:06.26Skiver#debian-kde
22:06.35henrik__Skiver: thanks
22:08.29illogic-aldarix: so you tell konqueror to Never save passwords for a site?
22:08.59darixillogic-al: it saves the password. i checked with the kwalletmanager
22:09.07darixbut it doesnt offer to use them
22:09.17illogic-alok.
22:10.03illogic-aldarix: does your wallet have a password?
22:10.08darixstart konqueror -> go to site with http-auth -> type in the user/password -> tick save -> login successfully
22:10.11darixyes.
22:11.47illogic-aldarix: worksforme
22:11.52darixstart konqueror -> go to site with http-auth -> no user/password offered -> relogin again -> kwallet login pops up
22:12.02darixillogic-al: any thing i can do for debugging.
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22:12.08darixitis 100% reproducable
22:12.14illogic-ali do get user/password offered
22:12.21illogic-alare you using 3.4 ?
22:12.24darixyes.
22:13.39illogic-allooks like it's something on your end.
22:14.14illogic-alstart konqueror -> go to site with http-auth -> no user/password offered -> pop up asking for kwallet password -> give kwallet password -> user/password filled in
22:14.19illogic-althat's what i get
22:14.31darixit asks me for kwallet after the other login oO
22:14.49darixhm
22:15.09illogic-almaybe your pop up asking for kwallet password is below the window and you dont see it?
22:15.13darixno
22:15.15darixi checked that
22:15.34darixillogic-al: in the normal ion config each window is a fullscreen window. i would notice it.
22:15.37illogic-alwhich site is this? because I can't reproduce using bugs.kde.org
22:15.52darixand i double checked on a floating desk
22:15.53darixmoment
22:15.58darixi will retry with openbox
22:16.02darixto be 100% sure
22:16.11darixillogic-al: someprivate site with http-digest auth
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22:16.56illogic-altry it with bugs.kde.org (do not accept bko cookies) and see if it still happens
22:17.28darixi have no login there
22:17.33darixbut moment
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22:18.00f00fhello
22:18.26darixillogic-al: happens under openbox too
22:18.38darixand the dialog really comes after the other dialog
22:18.49darixillogic-al: for your xnest you used some different user?
22:18.57illogic-alyou need to be a bit more specific than that
22:19.02illogic-aldarix: yup
22:19.22darixillogic-al: precondition: the wallet has stored my login for the site
22:19.47darixoh i have disable the wallet icon of course
22:19.54illogic-alnaturally. else it has nothing to fill in :-)
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22:21.02darixi have go to the protected site -> login -> now the wallet login dialog pops up. (doesnt matter if i tick save password or not.)
22:21.10darixi will try from a kde session
22:23.26darixok
22:23.38darixi cant get a kde session atm as i lack some packages
22:25.04darixillogic-al: thanks for your time. i will check from kde session once i got the packages. if it still happens i will come back :)
22:25.17illogic-alok
22:25.43illogic-aldokay
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22:30.13nordlesorry, but could someone tell me if there is or is not a kontact/pim splash screen with kde 3.4, mine seems to be missing if yes.
22:30.26illogic-alnordle: nope
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22:32.28nordleillogic-al: ok thanks, I say a link on google about a splash competition, but thought it was old.  I just read on http://akregator.sourceforge.net/ that the news reader has a bug which causes a loss of feeds if you try to delete articles older than X....just a warning...
22:32.39nordlesay a link = saw a link
22:33.13illogic-alyeah kontact splash kompetition was a while back
22:33.29illogic-aloh dear. i'm starting to spell words with k now.
22:33.55Ceruleanheh
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22:34.42nordleillogic-al: Be kool mate, dont worry bout it......drone...
22:34.55strawillogic-al: kwhat kare kyou ktalking kabout?
22:34.57illogic-alheh
22:35.38illogic-ali'm surprised i haven't been rooted or something yet.
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22:36.00bur[n]eranyone know how to use .svg icons in place of .pngs?
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22:36.04nordleWhy not have a splash screen?  It goes completely against the eye-candy tasticness of kde >=3.1
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22:38.09illogic-alup from .68 :-)
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22:41.43strawgaim's been at 1.x for quite a while now
22:41.54illogic-alhush.
22:42.37randabislol
22:42.52randabiskopete works for me
22:47.14mfx-does somebody know against what version of Qt was kde 3.4 built?
22:48.59wirevoxAs in, in general, what version of QT was used to build 3.4??
22:50.37mfx-yes
22:51.09mfx-maybe with a different version as mine
22:51.21mfx-i get this annoying bug in kdevelop
22:51.25wirevoxWhat I ment to ask was, what version was used to test, as opposed to distrospecific, ked 3.4
22:51.35wirevoxWhat distro are you using?
22:51.38mfx-oh
22:51.40mfx-suse 9.1
22:51.42mfx-sorry
22:51.54wirevoxnp
22:52.07yannuxbn tlm
22:52.10wirevoxI take it you merely installed SuSE rpms?
22:52.20mfx-yes
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22:53.28wirevoxWell, there could be problems specific to SuSE's configuration, GCC version, etc. etc. But, what is the nature of this bug?
22:54.26mfx-checking if UIC has KDE plugins available... no
22:54.26mfx-i get this error message
22:54.26mfx-if using kdevelop to develop a kde app
22:54.26mfx-i've searched google
22:54.26mfx-and found answers
22:54.30mfx-but i don't want to recompile my kde
22:54.33mfx-:(
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22:55.25wirevoxUnderstandable... but, why aren't you willing to?
22:55.39mfx-because
22:55.47wirevoxDo you think it'll take too much time?
22:55.50mfx-it takes 100 years on my p3 450
22:55.56mfx-:)
22:56.00wirevoxno doubt!
22:56.22wirevoxhmmmm.... have you searched for other sources of SuSE rpms?
22:56.43mfx-not yet
22:56.50mfx-but i'll do that
22:56.57mfx-thanks for your help! :)
22:57.15wirevoxThat's most likely your best bet. By the time you finished compiling, there would be one available any whay.
22:57.19wirevoxYou're welcome.
22:57.24wirevox:)
22:57.45mfx-:))
22:58.51wirevoxI actually have had very tollerable compile times on a Celeron 600 with 256MB. So, you're not too far off.
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23:05.45scrooge:)
23:07.27mfx-The biggest problem recompiling it is my father, who reboots my pc almost every day to use his windows patience and stuff :))
23:07.59wirevoxThat would kill it.
23:08.27scroogeyea possibly
23:08.28scrooge:P
23:08.54mfx-patience -> solitaire
23:09.11mfx-my english sucks sorry
23:09.12scroogetell gim to play kpat!
23:09.23mfx-he doesn't like it
23:09.26scrooge:/
23:09.27scroogeheh
23:09.33scroogexp's solitaire pwnz
23:09.35wirevoxI glossed over that and read it as "partition" So, it made sense to me.
23:09.41scroogelmao
23:10.25mfx-xp that is too modern for him
23:10.27mfx-win98
23:10.29mfx-:)
23:10.37scroogelol
23:10.40scroogei see
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23:12.52scroogethey want gnome?
23:12.57scrooge*shudder*
23:12.58wirevoxpysol is actually a very nice card game
23:13.08wirevoxNot, KDE, but very nice.
23:13.10sarah03scrooge: Nah, something else. I'm putting together a CMS for someone.
23:13.22scroogesarah03, ahh cool. php?
23:13.38sarah03*nod*
23:13.51scrooge:)
23:14.09TronicHow can I modify the menu open delay? Is it buried somewhere in kcontrol, perhaps in some config file, or do I need to edit the fine source?
23:14.09sarah03The idiotic request comes into play with a "We want the actual content management feature replicated 3 times with minor tweaks to the text on a few bits of it."
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23:14.53sarah03Instead of using the content management feature the way it was intended to be used.
23:15.26scrooge:|               ) <------jaw dropped
23:15.39scroogethats kinda o.0
23:15.59scroogewait or is it :(     | <----jaw dropped?
23:16.06scroogeguess the second one looks better
23:16.08sarah03The issue for me isn't the "Copy this code to make it do that because the backend is similar but not the same", but "Copy this code because we want a few words to be changed".
23:16.31scroogelol...these people are like computer illeterate?
23:16.58sarah03The guy who's getting it wanted "purty" before he cared about functionality.
23:17.23scroogeeh heh
23:17.26sarah03It didn't *look* good the first time he looked at it, therefore he didn't want it.
23:17.35scroogelmao....wow
23:17.39sarah03Regardless of the fact that it's got a solid backend.
23:17.46sarah03That puts his current system to shame.
23:17.52scroogehaha
23:18.02scroogeof course people dont care wat goes on behind the scenes
23:18.03scrooge:/
23:18.33sarah03The backend is 10k lines of PHP.
23:18.59sarah03The vast majority of which was written specifically for this project.
23:19.03scroogewow
23:19.12scroogeand he's too hooked on perty shit to notice
23:19.42sarah03It didn't have nice icons, or nice colors, or much of anything on the admin side. Not that such things weren't easy to do.
23:20.04sarah03Well, somewhat, anyway. Because even still, he wasn't happy with the interface.
23:20.12scroogepfft
23:20.17scroogethrow in some everaldo icons
23:21.15sarah03Heh.
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23:21.58silianyone home
23:22.19wirevoxsure
23:22.28scroogeim home
23:22.29scroogenot for long
23:22.32scroogeheading owt
23:22.34scroogebbl ^_^
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23:23.29silii'd like to write some stuff for kde that that allows me to do some file and data manipulation via the right click menu -- where do i start?
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23:30.41wirevoxsili -- I might have a resource for you... one sec...
23:31.44MrGrimYou have 5 Moderator Points! Use 'em or lose 'em!
23:31.45MrGrimmwahahaha
23:31.53MrGrimtime to go troll huntin
23:34.39wirevoxSili: http://phptr.com/content/images/0131240722/downloads/blanchette_book.pdf
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23:35.38wirevoxsili: it's a pdf book, of about 700+ pages, at about 40MB in size. But, it should be an excellent place to start.
23:35.52silithanks
23:35.58nctervalMy gaim conversation window won't go below others unless I minimize it.  I tried making a window specific setting to force it not to be sticky, but it didn't work.  When I right click the title bar, the always on top option isn't checked.  How do I fix this?
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23:36.29MrGrimalways on top and sticky are not the same thing
23:36.35MrGrimsticky means it shows up on all your desktops
23:36.43MrGrimit doesn't have an effect on sorting order
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23:36.57nctervalOh, well I meant always on top./
23:37.12nctervalThat's what I set in the specific behavior dialogue.
23:37.40MrGrimgaim is probably fighting your settings.. have you checked games settings?
23:37.41MrGrimerm
23:37.42MrGrimgaims
23:38.38mfx|zZzgood night
23:38.43apokryphosDoes Linus use KDE?
23:39.07MrGrimI doubt anyone here knows :P
23:39.13apokryphosGoogle says yes
23:39.15Blissexapokryphos: I doubt very much he would be drawn on that issue...
23:39.23wirevox<PROTECTED>
23:39.44Blissexapokryphos: the only ''official'' statement is that he uses a dual-CPU max G5.
23:39.47wirevoxI've heard that he does
23:40.06wirevoxRather, read that he does
23:40.18apokryphosOh, right. Google results for "Linus uses KDE": 30; for GNOME: 0. :|
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23:41.02gregdaycanllaith: you around?
23:41.40nctervalMrGrim: Good thought, but I don't see the option in Gaim's settings.  I've also determined that all gaim windows do this, not just conversations.  This behaviour began when I installed KDE 3.4, if that helps.
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23:42.09MrGrimncterval: have you tried deleting your window specific setting? :P
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23:42.55MrGrimncterval: I'd try moving your .kde directory elsewhere and see if that changes the behavior, then move it back and try to isolate the setting if it does
23:43.03MrGrimif it doesn't, then it must be a gaim option
23:43.37MrGrimand by moving .kde I mean log out of X, move it, and start X back up
23:44.06nctervalAlright, I'll try that when I get back home, thanks for the advice :)
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23:58.51Roeyhi
23:58.54Roey"I can't enable cookies, because the cookie daemon could not be started."
23:59.00Roeywhy the heck does this happen?
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23:59.23PhilRodapokryphos: there are some bug reports on bugs.kde.org with reporter named as Linus Torvalds, I think
23:59.36apokryphoshah

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