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00:00.21 | mpupu | sarah03: well, you could have a small delay before opening the menus |
00:01.00 | sarah03 | mpupu: The other thing is that the focus automatically moves over to the submenu. |
00:01.16 | mpupu | sarah03: and you could also be a slow mouse user (think of a disabled person) |
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00:01.44 | pankey_ | :D |
00:02.26 | mpupu | sarah03: well, the focus doesn't move when using the mouse, it could be just the same with a keyboard. You still have to press the right arrow to move down the different menus |
00:02.37 | slayerbob | mpupu: the trouble with doing it that way is that once the submenu opened the focus would shift to the submenu which would make navigation a lot more difficult |
00:03.21 | mpupu | slayerbob: see my previous sentence :) |
00:03.52 | sarah03 | slayerbob: Dupe. ;) |
00:04.03 | mpupu | i'm not trying to be annoying, but i got some complaints and was trying to figure this out |
00:06.41 | sarah03 | mpupu: Hm, as has been mentioned, it seems like a lot of it has to do with the way menu focusing works. |
00:07.08 | slayerbob | the only way i can see that such a thing would be useful would be if the person was using an unfamiliar system |
00:07.33 | slayerbob | if it is their own system they would quickly become familiar with the locations of shortcuts anyways... |
00:08.09 | sarah03 | Hm. I become familiar with the "Run Command" dialog, myself. :D |
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00:10.22 | mpupu | sarah03: ok, i'll dig a bit more about this |
00:10.45 | mpupu | sarah03: basically, the person that complained was trying to setup a kde desktop in a mouse-less PC |
00:10.57 | mpupu | sarah03: and he didn't have much experience with kde |
00:11.20 | sarah03 | Mm, *nods* |
00:11.31 | sarah03 | I don't bother trying to use GUIs on machines lacking mice. |
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00:12.19 | sarah03 | Most things are accessible using keyboard shortcuts, so it's not generally a big problem, but there are a fair number of things that aren't. |
00:12.52 | sarah03 | Granted, most of the time, it's not a KDE app that I'm having the issue with, but it's still a reason to have a mouse. |
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00:15.40 | mpupu | ok, thanks for your help |
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00:17.42 | df00z | Hmm. |
00:17.58 | df00z | anyone have problems with like konqueror locking up/the help database sometimes locking up? |
00:18.02 | illogic-al | http://www.flowgo.com/funpages/view.cfm/2180 |
00:18.05 | df00z | it goes to like 99% CPU usage and I have to kill X |
00:18.12 | df00z | via SSh |
00:18.22 | df00z | Could it be an X problem? |
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00:20.56 | illogic-al | now all is well with my world. |
00:21.29 | sarah03 | Hm. I haven't had any issues with Xorg 6.8.1 locking up at me. |
00:22.09 | anhi | df00z: same for me |
00:22.24 | anhi | using debian sid + xorg 6.8.2-5 from ubuntu |
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00:22.30 | df00z | Huh. |
00:22.31 | df00z | Thats odd. |
00:22.59 | anhi | but it seams to happen at random for me |
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00:23.15 | df00z | Kinda same |
00:23.17 | anhi | got to do a kill -9 from a box on my lan |
00:23.18 | df00z | but only w/ kde apps |
00:23.21 | df00z | Same. |
00:23.21 | df00z | Yea. |
00:23.27 | df00z | But it only happens w/ kde apps |
00:23.29 | df00z | firefox isnt doing it |
00:23.30 | df00z | nor gaim |
00:23.31 | df00z | xmms etc |
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00:24.10 | anhi | well, it happend 3x on my machine when a non-focused window started flashing |
00:25.08 | illogic-al | df00z: it doesn't have to do w/ kde or not, it depends on the number of open apps |
00:25.38 | df00z | Thats weird. |
00:25.47 | df00z | So it's an X problem? |
00:25.54 | illogic-al | so if you open a whole lot of gtks/gnome apps (xchat, gimp and the like) in say fluxbox, the smae thing ashould happen |
00:26.20 | anhi | illogic-al: i have no problem running plenty apps at the same time, no matter what apps (even azureus with hashing of large files) |
00:26.25 | illogic-al | df00z: that depends. do you have an nvidia card? |
00:26.38 | df00z | yes I do |
00:26.48 | anhi | same here |
00:26.49 | illogic-al | then yes it is :-) |
00:26.52 | anhi | GF4Ti4200 |
00:26.58 | anhi | using the nvidia driver + glx |
00:27.01 | illogic-al | anhi: you n |
00:27.02 | df00z | illogic-al: So what exactly is it? |
00:27.05 | illogic-al | anhi: you n' me both |
00:27.13 | df00z | if i start up a bunch of xchats itl lock up? |
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00:27.24 | df00z | like i can open 20 mplayers playing video and its fine |
00:27.34 | df00z | kate is fine, kwrite, and normal kde apps |
00:27.36 | illogic-al | df00z: it have something to do with the changes that they put into the X nv_drv.o driver |
00:27.47 | df00z | But I'm not using "nv" |
00:27.50 | df00z | im using "nvidia" |
00:27.50 | illogic-al | after/during the 4.4 release |
00:27.52 | df00z | so isnt that unrelated? |
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00:28.21 | df00z | The X nv driver isn't very nice :\ |
00:28.34 | illogic-al | df00z: it should happen if you use nv as well (but take longer to happen, couple days maybe) |
00:28.50 | anhi | i'm using the current nvidia driver + kernel 2.6.10 |
00:29.02 | df00z | "nvidia" ? |
00:29.17 | df00z | also |
00:29.22 | df00z | this is entirly reproducable |
00:29.24 | df00z | like |
00:29.25 | df00z | specificly |
00:29.33 | df00z | kate, help, click something |
00:29.34 | df00z | lock up |
00:29.38 | illogic-al | it however affects the X server regardless of whether nv or nvidia is being used. |
00:29.44 | df00z | Ah, really? |
00:29.50 | df00z | Is it already a reported bug? |
00:29.58 | df00z | Or are there any workarounds you know of? |
00:30.01 | illogic-al | the only worthwhile fix i found was downgrading X |
00:30.02 | df00z | That's kinda severe |
00:30.08 | df00z | Hrm. |
00:30.18 | df00z | Well its like alsa |
00:30.20 | illogic-al | and i've tried _a LOT_ of things |
00:30.20 | df00z | 1.08 is it |
00:30.27 | df00z | Really... |
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00:31.45 | df00z | haha |
00:31.50 | df00z | i switched VTs and X die |
00:31.51 | df00z | d |
00:31.52 | illogic-al | that reminds me, i should be able to use the nvidia driver now. provided of course that it works w/ mm kernels now |
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00:32.04 | df00z | Im running love, it works here |
00:32.22 | df00z | illogic-al: So now wait though, even if i'm not using the "nv" driver |
00:32.27 | df00z | X can break with nvidia cards? |
00:33.29 | df00z | Hrm |
00:33.47 | df00z | like alsa libs 1.08 are broken too heheh |
00:33.54 | illogic-al | as for if the problem is reported, i saw the info i reported in a bug report which and the reply to it was basically that the differences between the nv drivers in 4.3 and 4.4 were so large that it would be too difficult to hunt down the exact cause |
00:34.10 | df00z | Hrm |
00:34.24 | illogic-al | and it didn't affect enough people. so suffer <- /me paraphrases |
00:34.26 | df00z | but, is X affected by the borked "nv" driver if "nv" isnt being used? |
00:34.31 | anhi | btw, what would be the best way to make xine borderless, semi-transparent and not showing up in the panel but on the alt-tab menu ? |
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00:35.01 | anhi | (using kde 4.3 + xorg 6.8.2) |
00:35.15 | illogic-al | anhi: alt+f3 -> Advanced |
00:35.33 | anhi | yeah, the special window settings |
00:35.33 | illogic-al | No Border and Special Window Settings |
00:35.51 | anhi | but the panel and alt tab stuff i havent figured out yet |
00:35.59 | anhi | (plus the transparency) |
00:36.12 | bhsx | is there a known bug in konq's download manager? for large files (maybe all files) it shows 100% through the entire download and just keeps raising the MB complete field |
00:36.24 | bhsx | in 2.4.0 |
00:36.25 | bhsx | bah |
00:36.26 | illogic-al | bhsx: i've seen that |
00:36.28 | bhsx | 3.4.0 |
00:36.38 | eckhart | hi |
00:36.40 | illogic-al | haven't reported it though. |
00:36.48 | illogic-al | oh well. |
00:36.55 | eckhart | how can i create a screenshot from a screen where a menu is open? |
00:37.17 | eckhart | my shortcuts do not work when the menu is popped up |
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00:37.44 | illogic-al | use ksnapshot and make the screen capture time delayed |
00:38.06 | eckhart | ok, thanks |
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00:48.53 | Vermyndax | does anyone here use konqueror with freetextbox? |
00:50.08 | ryanoe | What is the command to properly mount an SD card through a USB reader in Linux with read/write permissions? |
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00:54.53 | SteamedPenguin | ryanoe: using fstab or for example, HAL/DBUS ? |
00:56.52 | ryanoe | I'd like to use fstab, yep |
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01:00.04 | Static_-X-_ | ive just installed an .rpm package of some icons, when i go into control center icons and install new theme, nothing seems to work |
01:00.12 | Paleo | SteamedPenguin do you know a guide about HAL/DBUS ? i'd like to know more |
01:00.21 | Static_-X-_ | have i got to do something with the index.theme first |
01:04.57 | canllaith | What icons and where did they install to ? |
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01:06.20 | Static_-X-_ | they installed to usr/share/icons/IcOsX |
01:06.41 | Static_-X-_ | theres a index.desktop in there |
01:06.51 | canllaith | What is your $KDEDIR ? :) |
01:06.55 | Static_-X-_ | aswell as all the icons |
01:07.05 | canllaith | They need to get installed to either $KDEHOME/share/icons or $KDEDIR/share/icons |
01:07.37 | Static_-X-_ | should they be installed where all the other icons are |
01:08.07 | canllaith | 'all the other icons' ? They should get install to where the KDE icons are. /usr/share/icons is where Gnome puts them isn't it? |
01:08.11 | Static_-X-_ | opt/kde3/share/icons |
01:08.17 | canllaith | Yep put them there :) |
01:08.18 | canllaith | Suse? |
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01:08.39 | canllaith | just cp -R the icosx folder to that location and restart Kcontrol - it should see them. |
01:08.52 | Static_-X-_ | can i just edit-cut and paste, or have i got to redirect the rpm package install |
01:09.01 | Static_-X-_ | okay |
01:09.02 | canllaith | No, they're just icons - just copy and paste em. |
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01:09.10 | canllaith | or cp -R from the terminal :) |
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01:12.51 | rabbit | hi |
01:14.50 | SteamedPenguin | Paleo: hmm, using gentoo all I did was emerge KDE with HAL support and emerge HAL which brings in DBUS and start the daemons and stuff just works |
01:17.26 | rabbit | SteamedPenguin: how do you enable hal support in kde ? |
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01:22.18 | canllaith | rabbit: you just need to compile kdebase with the hal + dbus stuff installed |
01:22.22 | canllaith | then it just picks it up |
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01:24.05 | topot | hi all |
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01:24.57 | rabbit | canllaith: hal must be installed before compiling kdebase ? |
01:25.04 | canllaith | yes |
01:25.09 | rabbit | ok |
01:25.18 | canllaith | otherwise support cannot be enabled :) |
01:25.24 | rabbit | will reinstall :) |
01:25.56 | rabbit | canllaith: i there any docs which list features for kde with hal support ? |
01:26.14 | canllaith | Yknow, if you googled for KDE DBUS HAL you'd have come up with all the answers to your questions..... |
01:26.32 | canllaith | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DBUS |
01:26.36 | canllaith | Here is a howto |
01:26.39 | rabbit | thank ou |
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01:27.16 | rabbit | well i use hal already, but with gnome daeamon |
01:28.00 | illogic-al | ah yes. the artifacts. how i have missed thee. |
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01:33.50 | geneo93 | can anyone tell me where kppp stores secret passwd |
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01:36.46 | Alethes | it's a secret |
01:37.44 | canllaith | Heya Alethes :) |
01:37.49 | Alethes | howdy :) |
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01:38.06 | geneo93 | must be cause kppp cant find it in kubuntu |
01:38.09 | Alethes | what's new? |
01:38.50 | canllaith | Not much |
01:39.01 | Alethes | I just got in from work |
01:39.02 | canllaith | upgrading libxslt and libxml2 to placate crashy kopete |
01:39.11 | Alethes | heh |
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01:39.35 | Alethes | my 3.3.2 is stable |
01:39.39 | Alethes | I'm not sure I need to update |
01:39.46 | Alethes | not after all the issues I've heard |
01:39.48 | canllaith | so don't. |
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01:39.58 | canllaith | Although most of the issues you're hearing are actually with CVS head. |
01:40.02 | Alethes | ah |
01:40.03 | canllaith | and that's what you expect. |
01:40.07 | Alethes | right |
01:40.10 | geneo93 | hey i have 3.4 and it seems real good |
01:40.19 | canllaith | I'm not *using* 3.4, so please don't take any guesses on it's stability from my problems :P |
01:40.20 | Alethes | I just hear people saying stuff like "kxyz application doesn't work in 3.4 now" |
01:40.45 | canllaith | Most of the time it turns out to be not a KDE problem, but something to do with their configuration |
01:40.51 | Alethes | ok |
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01:40.58 | canllaith | or that they're using gentoo and have used split ebuilds to emerge it - and have not quite got everything they needed |
01:41.03 | Alethes | it'll be another year and a half before we see kde4, right? |
01:41.07 | Alethes | haha |
01:41.09 | canllaith | I think so yeah |
01:41.10 | mobtek | Alethes: I went fine from 3.3.2 to 3.4.0 |
01:41.14 | Alethes | ok |
01:41.14 | mobtek | no config probs |
01:41.23 | Alethes | well, I'm probably gonna update fbsd too |
01:41.23 | canllaith | Only problem I had is the old knotifyrc one |
01:41.28 | canllaith | if you have that DONT DELETE THE FILE! |
01:41.30 | Alethes | so I'll just do it all in one whack |
01:41.32 | canllaith | diff it and send it to me lol |
01:43.59 | Alethes | I've been taking a multivitamin, and it's giving me enough energy to come home from work and start on my own stuff |
01:44.09 | canllaith | :) Great, glad to hear it |
01:44.30 | canllaith | Which I think is making me sleep better |
01:44.36 | Alethes | I drink 3 liters of water a day |
01:44.39 | Alethes | and no caffeine |
01:44.45 | canllaith | I've never been able to do that, not even in the military. |
01:45.10 | Alethes | I've gotten to the point where I actually need it |
01:45.18 | Alethes | so when I don't get the water, I feel like crap |
01:45.21 | canllaith | Maybe a liter, and the section commander used to get grumpy at me. Out on parade - 'NICHOLSON! I haven't seen you drink anything yet today, DRINK!' |
01:45.32 | slayerbob | LOL |
01:45.32 | Alethes | hehe |
01:45.37 | slayerbob | that sounds familiar |
01:45.47 | canllaith | heh |
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01:46.00 | canllaith | Well, I'm bein a good girl now and I think I feel a bit better already after only two days. |
01:46.26 | Alethes | man, King Crimson rocks |
01:46.31 | Alethes | I haven't listened to this in ages |
01:47.07 | Alethes | I never did try that |
01:47.31 | Alethes | I didn't really use packages much, except for my own that did with checkinstall for easy uninstall |
01:47.58 | canllaith | I use slackware-current updates and only those for some very important things |
01:48.00 | canllaith | like glibc. |
01:48.17 | canllaith | I'd hate to install latest stable version from sources without it going through Pat's test & package cycle. |
01:48.20 | geneo93 | Alethes: yeah we had all the good music in my day |
01:48.23 | canllaith | and finding there was a nasty bug or something |
01:49.06 | canllaith | So I've now heard of 4 mac users tell me they think the latest KDE is very nice, flash, sexy, pretty fonts etc |
01:49.31 | Alethes | I have a friend who used to use linux, who now uses OSX only, and can't stand X |
01:49.36 | geneo93 | kde 3.4 is fast also |
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01:50.17 | canllaith | All KDE has been pretty fast. |
01:50.27 | canllaith | This is just as fast as 3.1.4 and has so many more features, that is an achievement. |
01:51.13 | Alethes | I'm thinking I'm gonna have to find a replacement for artsd, 'cause it's a cpu hog for me |
01:51.20 | Alethes | it idles at 8+% |
01:51.43 | Alethes | which is just stupid, but I think it's a fbsd issue |
01:51.46 | geneo93 | canllaith: i've been using kde for 6 yrs and this is best by far |
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01:54.14 | Alethes | Mahavishnu Orchestra is next |
01:54.20 | Alethes | I'm in a prog mood hehe |
01:54.26 | Alethes | although MO is more fusion |
01:55.22 | geneo93 | watching tvtime here |
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01:57.58 | geneo93 | l8rs |
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02:05.43 | pankey_ | hi |
02:05.47 | pankey_ | anyone have dual monitors? |
02:05.57 | pankey_ | nvidia, 1 card; dual heads |
02:06.03 | canllaith | Yes |
02:06.23 | pankey_ | O_O OMG i love you! |
02:06.24 | pankey_ | ok |
02:06.33 | pankey_ | i have all this crap in xorg.conf that my head is spinning |
02:06.44 | canllaith | lol ok |
02:06.50 | pankey_ | i have both monitors on but i dont want the desktop to expand over both :/ |
02:06.55 | canllaith | Ah. |
02:07.01 | canllaith | In that case I can't help you, I use xinerama. |
02:07.21 | pankey_ | is that wat i want or dont want? |
02:07.23 | pankey_ | lol |
02:07.30 | canllaith | That's what you don't want, one desktop spanned over two screens. |
02:07.42 | pankey_ | alrighty |
02:08.03 | pankey_ | cuz i have twinview enabled |
02:08.30 | pankey_ | <PROTECTED> |
02:08.50 | pankey_ | <PROTECTED> |
02:08.55 | pankey_ | flipping to off |
02:09.01 | pankey_ | brb |
02:09.03 | pankey_ | hopefully ^_^ |
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02:09.43 | pankey_ | blah! |
02:11.17 | pankey_ | ok under Display in Control Center, i went to the Multi Monitors tab |
02:11.30 | pankey_ | but its like it doesnt give a fart about those settings :/ |
02:12.05 | canllaith | No idea, I have no idea how to do what you want since I've never tried to do it |
02:12.30 | pankey_ | hmm. this is retarded cuz the kicker is in only one screen |
02:12.37 | pankey_ | but just the desktop is b0rk3d |
02:12.53 | pankey_ | canllaith: u spread the kicker, etc across both mons? |
02:13.00 | canllaith | Nope, but you can if you want to |
02:13.09 | pankey_ | nah i dont want to :P |
02:13.18 | pankey_ | wat about maximizing windows? |
02:13.20 | canllaith | I use kicker on the left screen. |
02:13.25 | pankey_ | maximizes to both displays? |
02:13.27 | canllaith | Maximises to only one screen |
02:13.29 | canllaith | No, only one. |
02:13.33 | pankey_ | !!! |
02:13.37 | pankey_ | thats how i want it set up |
02:13.44 | canllaith | You need your qt/KDE built with xinerama support for that |
02:13.48 | canllaith | Do you use Gentoo by any chance? |
02:13.52 | pankey_ | yes |
02:13.56 | pankey_ | i have +xinerama |
02:14.02 | canllaith | You sure about that? In your QT too? |
02:14.16 | pankey_ | *nof* |
02:14.18 | pankey_ | d |
02:14.22 | canllaith | cause it's disabled by default and non xinerama aware apps tend to do that (span both screens) |
02:14.35 | canllaith | Well in that case, look at your xorg.conf from what you've pasted it looks like a bit of a mess |
02:14.46 | pankey_ | *** You are not in the portage group. You may experience cache problems |
02:14.46 | pankey_ | *** due to permissions preventing the creation of the on-disk cache. |
02:14.48 | pankey_ | *** Please add this user to the portage group if you wish to use portage. |
02:14.51 | pankey_ | |
02:14.54 | pankey_ | Failed to write to mtimedb: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/cache/edb/mtimedb' |
02:14.56 | pankey_ | [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdelibs-5 +alsa +arts -cups -debug -doc -ipv6 -kdeenablefinal +ldap +ssl +xinerama 0 kB [2] |
02:14.59 | pankey_ | [ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.4-r3 -cups -debug -doc -examples -firebird +gif -immqt -immqt-bc -ipv6 +mysql -nas -odbc +opengl -postgres +sqlite +xinerama +zlib 0 kB |
02:15.02 | pankey_ | crap...sorry |
02:15.05 | pankey_ | just those 2 lines^^ |
02:15.33 | pankey_ | +xinerama means it was built with xinerama support |
02:15.35 | pankey_ | heh sorry |
02:15.37 | canllaith | kewl :) |
02:15.51 | pankey_ | ok so i should enable xinerama then! |
02:15.55 | pankey_ | lets see |
02:15.58 | canllaith | Well, I'll snip the section of my xinerama xfree.conf and then upload it |
02:16.05 | canllaith | yeah, basically with twinview |
02:16.06 | pankey_ | nice!! thanx :D:D |
02:16.08 | pankey_ | yea |
02:16.24 | canllaith | oh nm I just upload it easier than explaining heh |
02:16.35 | pankey_ | :) |
02:16.56 | pankey_ | i was reading this faq on enabling multi mon support and such but goodnes man...its written uber badly :| |
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02:19.45 | canllaith | ok |
02:20.07 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/twinview.txt |
02:25.47 | FrostByte | dual |
02:27.35 | pankey_ | thats all the criticalness? |
02:27.54 | pankey_ | no explicit Option "Xinerama" "on" |
02:27.59 | pankey_ | or "true"?" |
02:29.29 | pankey_ | testing! |
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02:31.27 | scrooge | :( |
02:34.42 | scrooge | this is BS |
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02:36.00 | scrooge | canllaith: u have the secondary monitor to the right of the primary? |
02:36.09 | canllaith | I think so yes |
02:36.19 | scrooge | crap...that might be it |
02:36.19 | canllaith | pankey: no it doesn't need to be explicitly on, read the nvidia driver doumentation |
02:36.23 | canllaith | documentation ** |
02:36.38 | scrooge | i'll try :/ |
02:36.40 | canllaith | I'm on my laptop right now though so I'm not 100% sure :P |
02:37.02 | scrooge | hehe tis cool |
02:38.17 | Thorrn4 | HELLO!!! I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION - I'm using KDE and my desktop misplaces my icons everytime I add something new to it; how can I make it so that the icons are save in position? |
02:38.35 | canllaith | ah, what version of KDE are you using? |
02:39.08 | Thorrn4 | 3.3 |
02:39.17 | Thorrn4 | yea...3.3 |
02:39.26 | Thorrn4 | sorry for using CAPS |
02:41.10 | canllaith | ah ok |
02:41.17 | canllaith | I'm afraid that is a bug :( |
02:41.21 | canllaith | and it's not fixed properly until 3.4 |
02:41.59 | Thorrn4 | oh....thank you |
02:47.37 | jorgp_ | how do you tell juk to just play an audio cd? |
02:48.46 | Alethes | ln -s kscd juk |
02:48.55 | canllaith | lol |
02:48.59 | canllaith | !!! |
02:49.05 | canllaith | you kill me Alethes you really do |
02:49.09 | Alethes | heh |
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02:52.19 | neighborlee | doens't kde panel auto resize as one adds icons to it or have I maybe accidentily changed that needed feature in control pane ? |
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02:52.36 | thiago | neighborlee: there's an option to auto-resize |
02:52.40 | neighborlee | ok thx |
02:53.05 | johnny69 | Can someone tell me how to stop the balloon pop-ups from appearing when you move your mouse over the little taskbar icons? (using Kde 3.4 - Fedora core) Thanks. |
02:53.12 | neighborlee | got it |
02:53.54 | neighborlee | johnny69, thats in control panel |
02:54.12 | johnny69 | neighborlee: I figured it would be...but I was not able to find it. Under what menu ? |
02:54.14 | thiago | johnny69: there's an option to turn that off |
02:54.56 | canllaith | johnny69: Right click on the panel, configure panel |
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02:55.10 | canllaith | under appearance, untick 'Enable icon mouseover effects' |
02:55.46 | johnny69 | oh for shit sakes...it was staring me in the face. Thanks people. |
02:55.53 | johnny69 | got it now |
02:56.03 | neighborlee | np stuff happens ;) |
02:56.06 | Alethes | such is the world of kde configs |
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02:57.52 | Pingveno | Do the khtml hackers have any plans to implement Midas (Rich Text Editor)? |
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02:58.39 | Thorrn4 | HELLO!!!! I have a simple question: I am using Simply Mepis 3.3 and I would like to install KDevelop (I am very new to Linux) how can I do it? |
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02:59.31 | Thorrn4 | Alethes: there is no need to be hostle |
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02:59.42 | Alethes | no hostility ;) |
02:59.46 | randabis | Thorrn4, if it is in your mepis repositories, it should be as simple as typing apt-get install kdevelop in a terminal |
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03:00.57 | randabis | I'm not familiar with mepis, but you can probably accomplish the same thing with the package manager is provides |
03:01.18 | randabis | since it is kde based, it probably has kpackage |
03:01.46 | Thorrn4 | it does! |
03:02.35 | randabis | you can search for kdevelop in kpackage then and use it to install it (I perfer the first method I demonstrated though, but that's just me) |
03:03.01 | thiago | well, kpackage can't find the package if APT isn't configured correctly |
03:03.17 | thiago | so, if kpackage works, "apt-get install kdevelop" must too |
03:06.11 | Thorrn4 | E: Package kdevelop has no installation candidate |
03:07.33 | Thorrn4 | I tried the "apt-get install kdevelop" |
03:14.35 | scrooge | :/ |
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03:16.10 | Oleg_ | hi |
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03:18.52 | randabis | Thorrn4, again, I'm not familiar with mepis so I can't really help you |
03:19.05 | randabis | you should look for a mepis channel |
03:19.11 | randabis | I believe there is one on this network |
03:19.40 | Mully | is there a way to include my public key automatically as a file attachment in kmail? |
03:20.15 | thiago | Mully: always attach a file? |
03:20.26 | slayerbob | heh |
03:20.27 | thiago | Mully: you could add the public key to your signature |
03:20.42 | Mully | thing, i did that, but it shows in the text |
03:20.52 | Mully | i want it as a separate attachement |
03:21.12 | thiago | Mully: I don't think KMail allows you to always attach a file |
03:21.23 | Mully | thiag, where is that option? ...? |
03:21.57 | thiago | well, it would have to exist first |
03:22.00 | Mully | i found the "Attach my public key part" |
03:22.03 | thiago | and I've just said I think it doesn't exist |
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03:26.05 | NamShub | how can I just compile krita from koffice? kchart is broken in CVS... |
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03:28.46 | dwango | heh |
03:28.59 | scrooge | this....SUCKS |
03:29.17 | scrooge | canllaith: are u using xorg-6.8.2? |
03:29.23 | scrooge | and can i see the whole config? :) |
03:29.32 | canllaith | Nope it's using xfree86 |
03:29.42 | canllaith | and you don't need to see the whole config, that is everything related to twinview |
03:30.19 | scrooge | oh |
03:30.25 | scrooge | no serverlayout? |
03:30.27 | scrooge | or serverflags? |
03:30.32 | scrooge | bahh!! ok thanx : |
03:30.35 | scrooge | :/ |
03:30.37 | canllaith | :P |
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03:31.07 | canllaith | I do have dual head going on an xorg system as well but that's with an ati radeon |
03:31.41 | scrooge | yea...the ati's are like UBER different :S |
03:31.47 | slayerbob | lol |
03:31.52 | slayerbob | both are relatively easy to get working though |
03:31.53 | slayerbob | :P |
03:31.59 | scrooge | not for me :( |
03:32.03 | scrooge | i got it "working" |
03:32.04 | canllaith | Well, I remember you having to fiddle for a bit with the ati radeon on holly |
03:32.15 | canllaith | slayerbob: I've totally decided when I move to syd I'm getting a mac mini :| |
03:32.16 | NamShub | is it possible to have a LCD with a NTSC-TV side by side? |
03:32.20 | slayerbob | yeah but it was still easy - was just a matter of finding the documentation |
03:32.21 | scrooge | but the xserver keeps using the internel xinerama and not nvidias! |
03:32.22 | canllaith | I'm gonna call it iHal |
03:32.25 | slayerbob | LOL |
03:32.31 | scrooge | even with serverflags set to xinerama false |
03:32.33 | Pingveno | Is there a project to implement Midas (rich text component) in KHTML? |
03:32.34 | scrooge | lol |
03:32.37 | canllaith | scrooge: um, well nvidia only emulates xinerama really |
03:32.45 | canllaith | Look, go read the nvidia documentation |
03:32.49 | scrooge | u read it |
03:32.58 | scrooge | said to disable the servers xinerama |
03:32.58 | canllaith | I have read it. I'm suggesting you do it. |
03:33.01 | scrooge | and use nvidias |
03:33.07 | slayerbob | i'm pretty sure that you don't want to use xinerama with either nvidia or ati |
03:33.11 | scrooge | honest :) |
03:33.14 | slayerbob | they both have their own implementations... |
03:33.28 | slayerbob | cannot recall exactly though :P |
03:33.30 | scrooge | ok so kill both of them then? |
03:33.44 | canllaith | Why not just do exactly as written in the snippet of config I uploaded |
03:33.47 | scrooge | appendix J talks about twinview |
03:33.55 | canllaith | no server flags, normal ordinary serverlayout. |
03:33.56 | scrooge | canllaith: tried that...no workie :/ |
03:34.11 | canllaith | Well, then I suggest you double check what you've emerged with what support. |
03:34.23 | canllaith | Gentoo being amazingly stupid about disabling xinerama support by default |
03:34.36 | scrooge | disabled? its enabled by default. lol |
03:34.37 | SteamedPenguin | eh |
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03:34.50 | canllaith | Not according to the dozen people asking FAQ's about it a day |
03:34.58 | canllaith | who've emerged QT/KDE without a xinerama use flag |
03:35.05 | scrooge | oh thats retarded |
03:35.07 | scrooge | hmm |
03:35.34 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: that's hardly gentoo's fault, idiot users |
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03:35.47 | canllaith | I don't care who's fault it is. |
03:35.56 | SteamedPenguin | if they actually checked the use flags then they wouldn't be screaming |
03:35.58 | canllaith | The point is, it's obviously easy enough to do if so many people do it |
03:36.12 | canllaith | So that's something to check. |
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03:45.44 | Alethes | we should keep a running tally of which distros have the most problems with kde |
03:45.54 | slayerbob | heh |
03:45.58 | NamShub | FC |
03:45.59 | NamShub | :) |
03:46.03 | Alethes | not that we don't already know the answer :) |
03:46.03 | slayerbob | so we can more efficiently pick on gentoo users ? |
03:46.07 | Alethes | indeed |
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03:46.40 | Alethes | at the very least they should have a #kde-gentoo to reduce the noise level here |
03:46.58 | NamShub | theres gentoo-kde, actually |
03:48.17 | SteamedPenguin | there is? |
03:49.58 | canllaith | grepping for 'I'm running gentoo' scrolls lots down my screen, weeeeeee |
03:52.04 | SteamedPenguin | well, perhaps shunting people to #gentoo-kde is a smart idea |
03:52.23 | canllaith | Is there anyone in there ? |
03:52.25 | scrooge | ? |
03:52.27 | scrooge | yes... |
03:52.46 | scrooge | pfft |
03:53.15 | canllaith | I don't have any problems at all with Gentoo users coming in here asking questions. When saying "I've heard this could be your problem X" and having gentoo users jump down my throat.. that's, stupid. |
03:53.34 | scrooge | ok this OFFICIALLY doesnt work :) |
03:53.43 | scrooge | i did X -configure and pasted your exact config |
03:53.47 | scrooge | still no dice |
03:53.47 | canllaith | ok |
03:53.57 | canllaith | Interesting. What version of the nvidia driver are you using, and does gentoo patch it? |
03:53.57 | scrooge | maybe its the xorg |
03:54.01 | scrooge | 7xxx |
03:54.05 | canllaith | It could be, I certainly haven't tried that config under xorg |
03:54.09 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: well, I am making it one of my channels to watch |
03:54.11 | canllaith | and I think we're using a much older nvidia driver on that machine |
03:54.17 | scrooge | 7167 |
03:54.19 | canllaith | SteamedPenguin: :) |
03:54.25 | scrooge | oh |
03:54.30 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: since I am a pretty hardcore gentoo/kde user I'll be hapy to field calls |
03:54.38 | scrooge | SteamedPenguin: :D:D |
03:54.40 | scrooge | awesome |
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03:55.10 | canllaith | Quite often there are some Gentoo specific problems related entirely to how ebuilds are split up etc so that could be useful. |
03:55.30 | SteamedPenguin | that's my thinking. |
03:56.15 | SteamedPenguin | besides, if one isn't familiar with the gentoo packaging then users coming in with 'X is broke' isn't really encouraging when it turns out to be their fault. |
03:56.26 | slayerbob | yay :P |
03:56.30 | canllaith | Quite often the users can be very hostile too |
03:56.32 | slayerbob | now try to connect it to squid here :P |
03:56.43 | canllaith | Eg, "KDE really sucks man, it's running dog slow it's all fucked up KDE sucks' |
03:56.58 | canllaith | Turns out to be a networking problem and not KDE. People remember that, and next time someone says they use Gentoo people go 'GRRR another one of *THOSE*' |
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03:57.15 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: that's annoying. I'd be pissed too. |
03:57.22 | slayerbob | just explain to them that it is running slow because it has special gentoo detection code to decrease the number of gentoo users using kde :P |
03:57.28 | canllaith | SteamedPenguin: it is, and it's why I have basically 0 time for gentoo problems unless people are very very very polite |
03:57.38 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: like me? :) |
03:57.44 | canllaith | lauri, I bet can also tell you some stories. |
03:57.50 | canllaith | There are ignorant and not nice people in *every* distro |
03:58.02 | scrooge | ahh i see now |
03:58.05 | canllaith | but in Gentoo, they compile their own KDE and have much more capacity to break it. |
03:58.17 | canllaith | Instead of using redhat packages or whatever where we can say 'Ah yes, known issue do this' etc |
03:58.28 | scrooge | lol |
03:58.35 | scrooge | gentoo on gentoo crime exists also |
03:58.53 | canllaith | SteamedPenguin: Whenever I see your name, I think of a litle penguin with his hands to his head, going bright red in the face mad |
03:58.55 | scrooge | i was saying how MONODEVELOP broke my kde and people still blamed kde for even existing... |
03:58.56 | canllaith | (Steamed) |
03:58.58 | scrooge | nonsense |
03:59.04 | slayerbob | LOL |
03:59.05 | canllaith | It's such a cute picture, I can't help but like you |
03:59.10 | SteamedPenguin | well, ebuilds aren't different in practice than RPMs, but because they have more variables, things are a touch more complex. |
03:59.17 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: hah hah hah |
03:59.24 | canllaith | SteamedPenguin: Right, it's much easier to fiddle with an ebuild than it is an RPM |
03:59.30 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: that's awesome. |
03:59.30 | slayerbob | maybe we should figure out a way to attach avatars to irc users :P |
03:59.37 | scrooge | lol |
03:59.38 | canllaith | and often people tend to break RPM's in predictable and usual ways. |
03:59.44 | scrooge | i think u can on certain clients |
03:59.47 | slayerbob | if only comic chat ran on linux |
03:59.51 | canllaith | oh god |
04:00.17 | randabis | yuck rpm :p |
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04:01.12 | scrooge | kdegraphics doesnt wanna merge...same kfile_pdf.cpp problem |
04:01.29 | scrooge | wait graphics? erhm might be artwork |
04:01.43 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
04:01.43 | light_punch2 | how come in some distros, kde is really good, but some kde crashes a lot. same for gnome desktop too. |
04:01.45 | canllaith | kdeartwork shouldn't |
04:01.56 | canllaith | light_punch2: because in some distros, the packagers are not so skilled :) |
04:02.00 | light_punch2 | *but in some distro kde crashes a lot |
04:02.08 | canllaith | and they make broken packages |
04:02.16 | scrooge | caleb pwnz |
04:03.15 | light_punch2 | you think i ll be better off, installing kde myself? |
04:03.23 | canllaith | Only if you're better at it than they are |
04:03.28 | scrooge | heh |
04:03.29 | scrooge | true |
04:03.30 | light_punch2 | haha |
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04:04.11 | canllaith | From what I hear in here |
04:04.23 | canllaith | Slackware & Suse KDE is pretty nice |
04:04.36 | canllaith | Gentoo KDE is nice if you get your ebuilds and shit right and don't go stupid on optimilisation flags :P |
04:04.42 | scrooge | lol |
04:04.45 | scrooge | they have GRP also |
04:04.48 | scrooge | "bins" |
04:04.51 | scrooge | *shudder* |
04:04.53 | canllaith | People complain lots about redhat KDE... |
04:05.01 | canllaith | but I have to say the BEST KDE distro is........ |
04:05.03 | canllaith | Klax :) |
04:05.04 | light_punch2 | if i am using another WM, can i dig up kde |
04:05.14 | light_punch2 | 's menu somewhere? |
04:05.30 | canllaith | light_punch2: only by running kicker I think |
04:05.49 | scrooge | fluxbox_menu-generate or sumtin can find kde apps |
04:05.50 | canllaith | oh |
04:05.55 | canllaith | I wonder if you can run it through appletproxy |
04:06.16 | SteamedPenguin | light_punch2: I've seen/heard people using blackbox as the WM while using KDE |
04:06.17 | canllaith | Nope doesn't look like it |
04:06.35 | canllaith | I don't actually think you can use the KDE taskbar if you do that though, since it's not freedesktop.org compliant WM |
04:06.39 | canllaith | apart from that though it would work |
04:06.50 | light_punch2 | hm... i just need the text files, to tell me what's on the kde menu, the i ll just use command line to launch it. |
04:07.08 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: I think BB 0.70 is |
04:07.10 | scrooge | heh...foo.desktop files :P |
04:07.22 | canllaith | SteamedPenguin: true, it's been a while since I used it. |
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04:07.57 | randabis | kubuntu does kde well :) |
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04:08.53 | SteamedPenguin | yeah, kubuntu KDE is nice |
04:09.10 | SteamedPenguin | modern debian + KDE 3.4 == rawr |
04:09.20 | randabis | :) |
04:09.23 | canllaith | Debian is one distro I have absolutely no experience with. |
04:09.30 | canllaith | I've never used it, never had any reason to want to use it. |
04:09.46 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: same for slackware here. :) |
04:09.51 | randabis | think gentoo without compiling...in the most basic of terms |
04:09.58 | canllaith | Once apon a time Slackware was all there was. |
04:10.06 | canllaith | That was a good enough reason for me to us it :P I didn't have another choice |
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04:15.42 | trevor__ | How do i make the taskbar larger, it currently stacks windows, but i want ti larger :/ |
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04:16.31 | scrooge | grrrr |
04:16.47 | scrooge | wats so different about cvs then the many failed compiles? |
04:16.48 | scrooge | lol |
04:17.09 | scrooge | i thought u can change the height of your kicker to below 36 and still have 2 rows of tasks |
04:18.03 | canllaith | You need to edit your taskbarrc |
04:18.21 | canllaith | in $KDEHOME/share/config/ktaskbarrc |
04:18.29 | canllaith | Add under the [General] section |
04:18.37 | canllaith | MinimumButtonHeight=n |
04:18.53 | canllaith | where n is the size of your kicker divided by the amount of rows you want |
04:19.05 | canllaith | so for that, I guess you'd want minimum button height 18 or something. |
04:19.12 | light_punch2 | canllaith, do you install kde yourself or just use distro's? |
04:19.17 | canllaith | I build cvs head myself |
04:19.47 | light_punch2 | did it crashes a lot? |
04:19.55 | canllaith | Nope |
04:20.12 | canllaith | I have one problem with it- kopete crashes when I quit it. |
04:20.16 | canllaith | Everything else works fine. |
04:20.25 | canllaith | and kopete works fine apart from that. |
04:21.18 | light_punch2 | xpdf is nicest i ve used, but it crashes when i open a new pdf (while having one pdf already opened) |
04:21.39 | canllaith | Works fine for me, but I don't use it much |
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04:22.50 | SteamedPenguin | kpdf rawks |
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04:56.54 | Oleg_ | hi |
04:57.01 | illogic-al | hey |
04:57.06 | illogic-al | #konversation |
05:00.16 | Dhraakellian | illogic-al, forgot the "/join"? |
05:00.40 | illogic-al | nah. just wanted a link i could click on fir konvi. |
05:00.53 | Dhraakellian | heh |
05:01.14 | Dhraakellian | heh |
05:01.33 | scrooge | lazyness pwnz |
05:01.48 | illogic-al | indeed |
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05:24.28 | illogic-al | #quanta |
05:24.39 | scrooge | LOL |
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05:27.37 | illogic-al | awesome. mail server seems to be working |
05:28.31 | Octane | is there a way to get KMAil to use thunderbird style mail |
05:28.35 | Octane | folder structure |
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05:32.57 | the-er1 | I am experiencing something weird. |
05:33.11 | Octane | it's just puberty dude, relax |
05:33.32 | the-er1 | Octane: Actually it has to do with 3.3 :) lol |
05:34.05 | the-er1 | Konqueror is displaying mime info on the top of the page. |
05:34.12 | the-er1 | Like keep alive and what not. |
05:35.01 | the-er1 | I just got done installing 3.3. |
05:35.48 | the-er1 | Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100 Connection: Keep-Alive Transfer-Encoding: chunked Content-Type: text/html 1f54 |
05:35.58 | the-er1 | It wasn't there before ... |
05:38.44 | kendrick | heh |
05:38.47 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
05:38.52 | kendrick | not much from what i've seen |
05:39.09 | kendrick | the latest gnome release press release wasn't nearly as impressive as the KDE 3.4 stuff |
05:39.20 | kendrick | and KDE 3.4 was mostly little updates here & there |
05:39.23 | Dhraakellian | Octane, I think Moz TB uses an mbox variant or something |
05:39.41 | Dhraakellian | and I believe kmail can use either mbox or maildir |
05:40.37 | Octane | i tried to ln -s thunderbird's Local FOlders to Kmail\mail |
05:40.39 | Octane | but that didnt work |
05:40.44 | Octane | and yes i specified mbox type |
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05:41.15 | Octane | thats cuz it names things differently i think |
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05:50.43 | X-The | anyone? |
05:52.36 | Dhraakellian | someone |
05:52.55 | X-The | when i click in konqueror to configure i get an empty page |
05:52.59 | Dhraakellian | you'd have to import them, Octane |
05:53.07 | X-The | i use kde_3_4_BRANCH |
05:53.17 | X-The | Dhraakellian: u have this prob? |
05:53.26 | Dhraakellian | nope |
05:54.13 | X-The | dont u know what are the files that handle this procedure? |
05:54.19 | scrooge | lol |
05:54.24 | X-The | so is a patch that is causing this problem |
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05:55.15 | X-The | scrooge: lol? |
05:55.25 | scrooge | ? |
05:55.27 | scrooge | hi |
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05:56.00 | X-The | i need to know what are the files, to know what is the patch to remove |
05:56.06 | X-The | canllaith: hi |
05:56.11 | canllaith | Hi |
05:56.28 | X-The | i have a prob with konq |
05:57.00 | X-The | when i click to configure i get a empty window, so i need to know what are the files that handle this, to then remove the patch that is causing me this problem |
05:57.16 | scrooge | wat patch? |
05:57.26 | X-The | i use mandrake |
05:57.29 | scrooge | oh |
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05:57.37 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
05:57.40 | canllaith | I suspect |
05:57.51 | X-The | cant be in kdelibs? |
05:58.05 | scrooge | i got EVERYTHING to compile ecept for kdegraphics!! progress progress! |
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05:58.24 | X-The | canllaith: ? |
05:58.26 | scrooge | X-The: kdebase is konqueror and kdm and stuff |
05:58.32 | scrooge | kdelibs is like the low level stuff i think |
05:58.44 | X-The | so for sure is in kdebase/kcontrol/konq? |
05:58.55 | scrooge | <PROTECTED> |
05:59.01 | scrooge | aka have a looksie :P |
05:59.06 | X-The | one thing is suspect |
05:59.12 | X-The | i have many patchs |
05:59.22 | X-The | so would be good for sure |
05:59.23 | scrooge | u mandrake patched cvs sourcE? |
05:59.39 | X-The | i compiled kde-3.4.0 for mandrake |
05:59.44 | X-The | with Tahc |
05:59.44 | canllaith | How can we know what patches you have? Diff against clean sources, go look yourself. |
05:59.46 | X-The | Thac |
05:59.50 | scrooge | lol |
06:00.11 | X-The | canllaith: i know the patches i have |
06:00.21 | scrooge | heh |
06:01.11 | X-The | canllaith: i dont kde that well to go look for myself |
06:01.15 | scrooge | canllaith: hey u get these patches straight from your pplz? or are they like posted somewhere? |
06:02.18 | canllaith | What patches ? |
06:02.40 | scrooge | like for cvs b0rks |
06:02.55 | canllaith | There are none. Fixes are commited straight to cvs |
06:03.13 | scrooge | oh |
06:03.19 | scrooge | how long does that take? heh |
06:03.26 | canllaith | However long it takes for someone to fix it. |
06:03.31 | scrooge | k |
06:03.42 | scrooge | guess i dont need kdegraphics |
06:04.00 | canllaith | kdegraphics builds ok here, so you probably have a local problem you could fix and get it to work :) |
06:04.33 | scrooge | possibly. it bitches about kfile_pdf.cpp |
06:04.41 | scrooge | somebody said something about it being xpdf |
06:04.53 | canllaith | Possibly, what version xpdf do yo have? :) |
06:05.11 | X-The | canllaith: can be file desktopbehavior_impl.cpp? |
06:05.24 | scrooge | checking |
06:05.33 | canllaith | I have no idea X-The why don't you try fiddling with it and see. |
06:05.45 | scrooge | 3.00-r8 |
06:05.46 | X-The | canllaith: im trying |
06:05.48 | canllaith | scrooge: I'm using 3.00 here and that seems to work ok with kpdf. A much older version may not |
06:05.57 | scrooge | hmm |
06:05.58 | canllaith | Ok, so I guess your xpdf is prolly ok :) |
06:06.03 | scrooge | heh yea :/ |
06:06.05 | scrooge | weird |
06:06.23 | scrooge | foolabs.com/xpdf/ lmfao |
06:06.46 | canllaith | :o I don't have baghira windeco installed |
06:08.02 | scrooge | baghira is nice :D |
06:08.13 | canllaith | The theme is rather slow on this machine, but the windeco is nice |
06:08.15 | scrooge | *phew* i almost burned my cookies! |
06:12.51 | scrooge | plastik > * |
06:12.59 | scrooge | cvs plastik looks different from stable |
06:13.02 | scrooge | the buttons |
06:13.17 | scrooge | slayerbob: prepackaged! :P |
06:13.21 | scrooge | throw in oven |
06:13.22 | slayerbob | LOL |
06:13.28 | scrooge | mwahahahaha |
06:13.37 | slayerbob | if i wanted prepackaged i would just buy them from the cookie time factory :P |
06:13.45 | the-er1 | slayerbob: Can't you just go to the store and buy some? There are several ways to make cookies php is pretty easy. |
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06:14.27 | slayerbob | i just got back from the store :P |
06:14.29 | the-er1 | slayerbob: It's also possible to make cookies with javascript. |
06:14.34 | slayerbob | bought me a couple of rolled chicken roasts |
06:15.14 | scrooge | lol |
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06:15.22 | the-er1 | I can't seem to find anything obvious in kcontrol to fix that header being displayed in konqueror. |
06:16.08 | clx | re_all (); |
06:16.33 | the-er1 | Maybe it's one of my libraries can someone else please check out http://radio.the-erm.com (it's the only page it shows up in) with konqueror. |
06:17.06 | canllaith | scrooge: it is different, the windeco at least |
06:17.15 | scrooge | yea |
06:17.17 | canllaith | unfortunately it has strange rendering bugs on my vid card :'( |
06:17.23 | scrooge | heh :/ |
06:17.23 | canllaith | Shame, I really like the new one. |
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06:26.51 | canllaith | Heya physos :) |
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06:27.33 | scrooge | bahh! dammit man! |
06:27.50 | marcusU | What? |
06:27.54 | scrooge | maybe if i co a earlier revision? |
06:27.56 | scrooge | :/ |
06:30.05 | physos | moin canllaith |
06:32.03 | scrooge | LOL |
06:32.15 | scrooge | kde4 and slackware 11 will mark the end of u |
06:32.23 | scrooge | nice |
06:32.35 | marcusU | I tried Slackware. GCC kept segfaulting when I tried to build GTK+. |
06:32.43 | scrooge | lol |
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06:34.30 | scrooge | hehe |
06:35.19 | marcusU | canllaith: I did realize at one point that the reason why SuSE works for me and most other distros were failing during install is that SuSE did not enable ACPI support by default. |
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06:35.32 | Borg^Queen | grepper: Hey I tried mdk |
06:35.40 | canllaith | ahahahaha ok that comment is classic |
06:35.45 | canllaith | absolutely classic. |
06:35.55 | kendrick | haha |
06:36.00 | kendrick | "Why not have celebratory enema?" |
06:36.08 | kendrick | (on that URL illogic-al is looking at :) ) |
06:36.10 | marcusU | canllaith: It gets worse. I thought at one point that it might be SCSI adapter, so I "updated" it during Adaptec's software and it erased my SCSI BIOS from the card. |
06:36.20 | canllaith | ack! That's terrible |
06:36.31 | slayerbob | but funny :P |
06:36.35 | slayerbob | has happened to me often enough :P |
06:37.00 | marcusU | So now I can't boot from my ULtra160 adapter. |
06:37.13 | Borg^Queen | grepper: you up? |
06:37.16 | canllaith | The only machine in the house that had a floppy drive to make rescue disks from was the one I borked |
06:37.48 | canllaith | and it can't boot from anything else :| Took me an entire bloody day to think of netbooting it :( |
06:37.53 | illogic-al | bah. knoppix fixes all |
06:38.06 | physos | canllaith: my 3_4_BRANCH recompile is finishing soon, so the fEature Guide gets some love again. |
06:38.06 | Borg^Queen | Hey illogic-al |
06:38.19 | canllaith | Well, knoppix can only help you if you have a cd drive |
06:38.31 | illogic-al | physos: awesome feature guide btw. |
06:38.32 | canllaith | Or, if you set up it's terminal server and netboot off it from a machine that does. |
06:38.37 | grepper | Borg^Queen: yep |
06:38.46 | physos | canllaith: does posting "a feature a day" journal sound like a plan? |
06:39.01 | Dhraakellian | but it's the only liveCD I've used extensively |
06:39.06 | Borg^Queen | So I tried MDK. Any way I reloaded Sarge, lol |
06:39.08 | physos | canllaith: on my ToDO. |
06:39.09 | canllaith | physos: sounds like a plan. I'll have some more stuff for you soon :) |
06:39.15 | canllaith | ;) |
06:39.30 | marcusU | I have my SuSE rescue CDs. :-) |
06:39.48 | physos | canllaith: Problem, is, the plastik style changed a lot between 3_4 and HEAD :( |
06:39.53 | Borg^Queen | It wasn't anything like they adverted. |
06:40.10 | marcusU | What changed in Plastik? |
06:40.26 | physos | marcusU: white window buttons. |
06:40.32 | canllaith | physos: I know... :( |
06:40.38 | physos | marcusU: harder gradient. |
06:40.43 | canllaith | unfortunately I don't *have* a 3.4 release install |
06:40.44 | marcusU | Oh. That's odd. I like it the way it is. |
06:40.48 | canllaith | so maybe I should leave the screenshots to you |
06:41.04 | physos | In fact I wonder if I wont ask Sandro to name it plastik 2 so I can keep my old one. |
06:41.13 | canllaith | physos: the new one is broken for me |
06:41.20 | canllaith | It has strange rendering/drawing bugs on my old ati rage |
06:41.23 | canllaith | so I cannot use it anyway |
06:41.27 | illogic-al | new plastik? |
06:41.57 | canllaith | This is it here guys |
06:42.00 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/features-guide/settings-again.png |
06:42.07 | canllaith | If you look closely at the windeco |
06:42.34 | marcusU | I'm getting a file-not-found |
06:42.58 | kendrick | worked for me |
06:43.10 | kendrick | though i'm not seeing anything interesting in the window decorations |
06:43.26 | marcusU | I think KSirc is doing some kind of translation of the characters in your filename. |
06:43.27 | canllaith | Compare it to 3.4 final plastik |
06:43.33 | canllaith | marcusU: quite possible lol |
06:43.38 | kendrick | no 3.4 here :( |
06:43.39 | marcusU | canllaith: How do I disable it? |
06:43.46 | canllaith | I have absolutely no idea |
06:43.48 | illogic-al | when's the last time someone here checked out kdebase from HEAD? |
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06:43.52 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/features-guide/ |
06:43.56 | canllaith | does the directory listing work? |
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06:44.00 | canllaith | illogic-al: 2 days |
06:44.20 | _joey | is there vnc client in kde? |
06:44.28 | scrooge | yes |
06:44.28 | marcusU | canllaith: KSirc is turning the link into http://www.hoult.org/anllaith/foo/features-guide/ |
06:44.31 | scrooge | krfb |
06:44.33 | scrooge | krdc |
06:44.33 | illogic-al | Uptime: 36 days, 10 hours and 54 minutes |
06:44.39 | kendrick | that's messed up |
06:44.59 | canllaith | marcusU: that's messed. Just add in the c. |
06:45.00 | illogic-al | konvi ownz |
06:45.02 | kendrick | hehe |
06:45.02 | Borg^Queen | yuck |
06:45.05 | canllaith | oh sorry the ~ c |
06:45.07 | canllaith | tilda in there too |
06:45.12 | Borg^Queen | The peeing part |
06:45.13 | illogic-al | tilde |
06:45.17 | canllaith | thanks illogic-al =p |
06:45.23 | _joey | krdc ir remote desktop client which uses rdp protocol |
06:45.26 | illogic-al | np |
06:45.35 | _joey | I am looking for a client to connec to vnc server |
06:45.40 | marcusU | Aw. I like my Plastik better. |
06:45.40 | scrooge | ... |
06:45.44 | canllaith | Yeah :( |
06:45.51 | scrooge | krdc is vnc |
06:46.03 | scrooge | just try it d00d! google it |
06:46.06 | _joey | gree |
06:46.07 | scrooge | it says vnc client |
06:46.08 | _joey | oki doki |
06:46.16 | scrooge | :) |
06:46.22 | _joey | let me try the application |
06:46.23 | scrooge | there are no rdp servers really |
06:46.25 | scrooge | cept on windows |
06:46.51 | kendrick | aptitude search vnc |grep -i kde |
06:46.51 | kendrick | ;) |
06:46.57 | kendrick | oh! d'oh! no results! |
06:47.06 | scrooge | aptitude? |
06:47.27 | kendrick | yeah |
06:48.02 | kendrick | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html |
06:49.50 | pankey | KDE remote desktop connection (RDP and VNC) cient <------kde-base/krdc |
06:50.02 | pankey | aptitude must suck? |
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06:50.11 | pankey | or its not searching descriptions? |
06:50.24 | pankey | illogic-al: OMG u like keramik!? |
06:50.32 | illogic-al | yes |
06:50.33 | pankey | i used to |
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06:50.37 | pankey | then plastik pwn3d me |
06:50.42 | marcusU | I used Keramik for a long time. |
06:50.47 | illogic-al | yes |
06:50.47 | pankey | also the one slax uses is nice |
06:51.01 | pankey | rounded borders |
06:51.03 | pankey | *drool* |
06:51.03 | illogic-al | plastik pwn3d me 2 |
06:51.06 | marcusU | I liked Keramik better with the original scrollbars, though. |
06:51.10 | pankey | :P |
06:51.13 | pankey | ahh |
06:51.17 | illogic-al | marcusU: aye |
06:51.20 | pankey | i like the animated progress bars :D |
06:51.27 | kendrick | yeah, not searching descriptions, i guess |
06:51.32 | marcusU | The animated progress bars make me nauseated. |
06:51.36 | scrooge | lol |
06:51.45 | illogic-al | the old keramik scrollbars are key |
06:51.57 | scrooge | kendrick: also it might not show it. i dont think debian split up kde :P |
06:52.04 | scrooge | probly in kdenetwork package |
06:52.05 | kendrick | oh, it has Mutt-like searching, i think |
06:52.06 | marcusU | I tried to get the old scrollbars back, but I couldn't get it patched right. |
06:52.11 | kendrick | scrooge: nah, i'm using KDE 3.3 in Debian Testing |
06:52.15 | kendrick | apt-get search found it :) |
06:52.19 | scrooge | ah |
06:52.22 | scrooge | :) |
06:52.40 | kendrick | err, apt-cache search, rather ;) |
06:52.46 | scrooge | haha |
06:52.52 | scrooge | xorg finished compiling :D:D |
06:53.18 | kendrick | i should just use aptitude in GUI mode ;) |
06:53.24 | _joey | kewl |
06:53.33 | _joey | thanks scrooge |
06:53.38 | scrooge | welcome :) |
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06:54.35 | illogic-al | aptitude sounds key |
06:54.50 | pankey | key as in kool? or ghey? |
06:54.52 | pankey | lol |
06:54.55 | kendrick | heh |
06:55.19 | pankey | :P |
06:56.14 | illogic-al | key, adj. to be necessary or integral to some task or mission |
06:56.20 | kendrick | heh |
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06:56.50 | illogic-al | e.g. jack said to jill, "if we're going to do it, condoms are key." |
06:57.13 | scrooge | lol |
06:57.25 | scrooge | wasnt jack and jill bro and sista!? |
06:57.26 | scrooge | :| |
06:57.28 | scrooge | sadness |
06:57.38 | scrooge | dam |
06:57.40 | illogic-al | LOL |
06:57.43 | scrooge | there goes the freenode |
06:57.58 | scrooge | lol |
06:59.36 | Dhraakellian | *facepalm* |
06:59.56 | scrooge | lmfao |
06:59.56 | scrooge | bye bye mr ^_^ |
06:59.57 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
07:00.02 | canllaith | * come my lady, come come my lady, you're my butterfly... * |
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07:00.21 | scrooge | :P |
07:00.25 | canllaith | hahaha |
07:00.43 | slayerbob | LOL |
07:00.51 | ettercap | Quick question for all the KDE folks, what does "knotify" do? |
07:00.59 | scrooge | notifies you! |
07:01.02 | scrooge | kde style :P |
07:01.03 | physos | ettercap: notificatiosn. |
07:01.09 | canllaith | It does system notifications |
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07:09.48 | physos | I said I reboot, didn't I say the frenode server? ;) |
07:09.48 | ettercap | Woa that was a lot of people |
07:09.48 | canllaith | hehehe |
07:09.48 | scrooge | :P |
07:09.48 | scrooge | they patching a kernel on the MAIN USA machine |
07:09.48 | illogic-al | that was beautiful |
07:09.49 | scrooge | absotutolutely |
07:09.49 | canllaith | just an irssi script to make every nick a different colour |
07:09.49 | scrooge | im dying seeing all these greyish nicks |
07:09.49 | scrooge | lol |
07:09.49 | canllaith | :) |
07:09.49 | scrooge | thats perfect! |
07:09.49 | slayerbob | greyish ? |
07:09.49 | scrooge | yea |
07:09.49 | scrooge | irssi in framebuffer |
07:09.49 | slayerbob | ah |
07:09.49 | slayerbob | LOL |
07:09.50 | scrooge | :P |
07:09.50 | pankey | same here. cept i can go into X on this machine :P |
07:09.50 | pankey | just lazy atm |
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07:09.50 | canllaith | although it seems overly fond of pink and green |
07:09.50 | scrooge | heh |
07:09.51 | scrooge | xchat does the different nick colors by the nicks length |
07:09.51 | scrooge | so if everybody has the same length nick, blehh |
07:09.51 | illogic-al | konvi does it better |
07:09.51 | canllaith | I do like how konvi does it. |
07:09.51 | canllaith | I don't like how konvi crashes whenever I try to change fonts. |
07:09.51 | illogic-al | hail, hail, hail |
07:09.53 | illogic-al | i'm something of a font whore |
07:09.53 | slayerbob | and i use xchat all the time :) |
07:09.53 | canllaith | :P |
07:09.53 | canllaith | cd Desktop/docs/kdebase/doc/faq |
07:09.53 | canllaith | erm. |
07:11.14 | canllaith | :o |
07:11.17 | canllaith | That's not nice |
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07:13.14 | ettercap | So yeah, is knotify needed for KDE to run? |
07:13.37 | canllaith | It would probably take more effort than it was worth to try and remove it. |
07:13.47 | ettercap | Hmm |
07:13.51 | ^1 | how is it possible to make plastik scroll bar button contrast easier to visualize? |
07:14.06 | ettercap | canllaith: Any reading material about it? Besides man pages and such |
07:14.23 | ^1 | keramik has some nice ideas but is so bold and flashy |
07:14.50 | canllaith | about removing a core KDE component? No, I don't think so. |
07:14.59 | ettercap | No, just what knotify does |
07:15.08 | canllaith | help:/knotify ? |
07:15.25 | ettercap | I'm on xfce, I don't know the magic KDE commands |
07:15.34 | ettercap | This is for an internetless friend, hehe |
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07:16.56 | canllaith | I have no idea, I'd suggest looking through the KDE help center and seeing if there is context sensitive help availible through using the 'whatsthis' button in the KDE control center |
07:17.19 | ettercap | canllaith: Thanks for all the help, I'll pass it along |
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07:18.07 | physos | 175 people, wow |
07:19.45 | kendrick | it was: aptitude search ~dkde~dvnc btw ;) |
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07:27.00 | scrooge | i love how irssi does autocompletion! |
07:27.25 | canllaith | heh |
07:28.38 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/irssi-color.png |
07:28.41 | canllaith | :) looks so pretty |
07:30.10 | scrooge | :D nice |
07:30.52 | _yannux | bijour tlm |
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07:39.05 | canllaith | Shit :( Kmail imap has lost work related messages now that were quite important. |
07:39.37 | scrooge | :S |
07:39.45 | scrooge | mac mini? |
07:39.54 | kendrick | Mac. |
07:39.56 | kendrick | FEH! |
07:40.05 | grepper | canllaith: you are going to run OS X on it ? |
07:40.06 | scrooge | hehe |
07:40.20 | canllaith | Yes, I am. |
07:40.27 | scrooge | os x is cool |
07:40.37 | kendrick | OS X is alright. |
07:40.39 | grepper | careful, it'll rot your teeth :) |
07:40.39 | scrooge | one mouse buttin isnt |
07:40.41 | kendrick | I wasn't all that impressed. |
07:40.42 | scrooge | lol |
07:40.48 | canllaith | Mostly because apple's mail client has never caused me to lose 2000 messages |
07:40.48 | kendrick | *sigh* |
07:40.51 | kendrick | That's FUD scrooge! |
07:40.58 | kendrick | canllaith should just use Mutt! ;) |
07:40.58 | scrooge | :P |
07:40.58 | canllaith | and that *really* sells it, to me. |
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07:41.08 | kendrick | Besides, you have backups, right!? |
07:41.13 | kendrick | Oh crap... I need to back shit up! |
07:41.17 | scrooge | lol |
07:41.30 | canllaith | It's a badly behaved mail client that deletes messages off an imap server. |
07:41.37 | canllaith | Just randomly |
07:42.44 | SteamedPenguin | even when migrating from server to server |
07:42.46 | canllaith | You obviously have never used dimap on it then - as I'm not the only person to have this happen. |
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07:43.06 | SteamedPenguin | ah no, not dimap |
07:43.17 | canllaith | Thunderbird on windows, Mail on OSX has no probs. Kmail has big nasty known bugs where it eats mail. |
07:43.32 | canllaith | Yeah, imap works ok as does pop3, pop is fantastic on Kmail and it's filters rock |
07:43.47 | SteamedPenguin | what is dimap anyway? |
07:43.52 | canllaith | cached imap |
07:43.56 | canllaith | so you can read messages offline. |
07:44.14 | canllaith | which is iirc what the mozilla based imap clients do by default |
07:44.23 | SteamedPenguin | ah |
07:44.36 | SteamedPenguin | not something I'd use |
07:44.48 | kendrick | Heh |
07:44.52 | kendrick | No! |
07:44.58 | kendrick | "Linux needs Women" |
07:44.59 | kendrick | hehehe |
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07:45.02 | canllaith | Well, if I've taken my laptop somewhere I don't have an internet connection |
07:45.14 | canllaith | It's nice to be able to look at cached emails for contact details and stuff. |
07:45.23 | SteamedPenguin | I suppose. |
07:45.25 | canllaith | work I've been sent I can do offline etc |
07:45.25 | kendrick | That is true. |
07:45.35 | kendrick | I use Mutt via SSH, so if I'm 'net-less, I'm screwz0red. |
07:45.37 | canllaith | compose replies to save in drafts to be sent when I am connected etc. |
07:45.44 | SteamedPenguin | my motto is .no network, no email, no problem |
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07:45.48 | canllaith | I'm net-less reasonably often on this network. |
07:46.08 | scrooge | heh |
07:46.25 | scrooge | canllaith: is that docbook in the pic? |
07:46.28 | scrooge | in kate |
07:46.32 | canllaith | yes |
07:46.43 | scrooge | :O |
07:46.48 | scrooge | looks good |
07:47.01 | SteamedPenguin | ok, bed time for penguin |
07:48.12 | canllaith | there is a very nice KDE docbook authors guide lauri has written |
07:48.19 | scrooge | cool |
07:48.29 | scrooge | omg i just realized the panel on the left |
07:48.34 | scrooge | with all the .docbook files |
07:48.35 | scrooge | eh heh |
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07:56.51 | kokoko1 | whats the app for screenshot? |
07:56.53 | kokoko1 | in kde |
07:57.21 | kendrick | ksnapshot |
07:57.56 | kokoko1 | thanks |
07:59.14 | kendrick | no |
07:59.17 | kendrick | problem |
07:59.18 | kendrick | hehe |
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08:13.50 | illogic-al | +++++++++++ |
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09:32.23 | SchopfeR | hello |
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09:42.44 | notbadname | Hello Everybody |
09:43.26 | askie | Hmm, morning |
09:43.29 | notbadname | i am runing kde 3.2.3 on Mandrake 10.1 |
09:44.05 | notbadname | file association modifications are not remembered in kde |
09:44.18 | notbadname | please anyone help me |
09:45.23 | askie | Pfff... been a while since I used 3.2... |
09:45.24 | doleyb | notbadname: that's apparently a mandrake specific thing, other kde users don't have it |
09:45.45 | SchopfeR | Qt: 3.3.4 |
09:45.45 | SchopfeR | KDE: 3.4.89 (CVS >= 20050314) |
09:45.45 | SchopfeR | kde-config: 1.0 |
09:45.52 | askie | Oh, never mind then... Never used Mandrake. |
09:46.31 | notbadname | <PROTECTED> |
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09:47.33 | askie | notbadname: now you say so... I did see the prob on one or two deb machines |
09:47.47 | doleyb | notbadname: i have debian, its fine here. debian sid |
09:48.12 | notbadname | ok thanks |
09:48.14 | doleyb | notbadname: oh wait, debian uses kde 3.3.2 now |
09:48.18 | askie | notbadname: My workaround was to remove, from the file association list, all programs except the one I wanted to use. |
09:48.51 | askie | Very awkward solution, but I was lazy and it didn't matter for the user (or me) |
09:49.02 | notbadname | i would resolve this with help of mandrake itself |
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09:52.00 | askie | The brutality. He should be punished. |
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10:14.07 | sycofly | hi canllaith & her groupies |
10:14.28 | canllaith | Heya |
10:15.00 | sycofly | weeeeeeee ... I'm all 3.4 up'ed |
10:15.24 | sycofly | im impressed with kmail |
10:15.28 | sycofly | nice |
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10:19.46 | ^1 | anyone.. how is it possible to hide konqueror status bar? |
10:20.48 | PhilRod | I don't think you can |
10:20.58 | PhilRod | check bugs.kde.org - there may be a wish filed |
10:21.17 | PhilRod | if so, you can see more discussion of the issue, and perhaps vote for the bug |
10:21.46 | ^1 | a wish file ehh.. i cross my finger for the next release then |
10:23.12 | ^1 | nothing either about placing tabs at bottom? |
10:24.28 | ^1 | i guess i'll go do some voting that should put some pressure on developper |
10:26.42 | PhilRod | well, votes don't really put "pressure" on developers, as such - they just give them another factor to take into account when deciding what to work on |
10:26.46 | PhilRod | but too late :-/ |
10:27.27 | canllaith | IRC is proprietary evil? really? |
10:27.36 | carsten | but only bugs of pupular apps and situations get votes even though there might be much more important bugs |
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10:34.27 | PhilRod | canllaith: proprietary evil? |
10:34.39 | canllaith | oh someone's quit message |
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10:36.30 | PhilRod | oh, perhaps I should turn quit messages back on :-| |
10:36.38 | markey | stupid quitmessages are proprietary evil |
10:36.41 | canllaith | ahhhhh ok :P |
10:36.43 | canllaith | markey, AMEN! |
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10:39.47 | zaeb | how do i mount NTFS partition with bigger than 4K cluster size |
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10:40.22 | canllaith | This is #kde, you would be better to ask in #linux |
10:40.47 | zaeb | how do i do that in kde |
10:43.53 | canllaith | You don't, you go and ask in #linux what needs to be in your fstab |
10:44.33 | zaeb | i can't talk in #linux |
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10:45.43 | PhilRod | try #yourdistro |
10:45.50 | nksen | hows this kde program named which with I can browse the network neighborhood windows machines? |
10:45.58 | canllaith | There is smb4k |
10:45.59 | canllaith | and also konqueror |
10:46.04 | canllaith | try typing smb:/ into konqueror :) |
10:46.25 | nksen | thought I read some name like... lsearch or s.th. but anyway... thx :) |
10:46.38 | nksen | are you familiar with mounting network drives? |
10:47.09 | canllaith | Very simple setupsyes |
10:47.41 | nksen | hm. unfortunately that's not a simple setup :) thx though |
10:47.47 | canllaith | lol um ok then |
10:47.50 | canllaith | Why don't you just ask anyway? |
10:53.27 | nksen | ah. linneighbourhood i searched for! |
10:53.42 | nksen | well because I guess samba-questions are off topic in here :) |
10:54.34 | zaeb | what linux kernel version does knoppix 3.7 come with |
10:54.43 | canllaith | go and google for it |
10:55.03 | canllaith | nksen, well, you can see a good example of off topic questions right now =p |
10:55.17 | canllaith | but if it relates to getting samba working with KDE then it's relevant lol. |
10:56.10 | nksen | heh. unfortunately it's getting samba working with enlightenment ;) i steadily get a strange error, though I know username and passwort are correct. mounting the drive on a windows box works |
10:56.21 | nksen | heh canllaith |
10:56.43 | canllaith | heh ok then, strange. Not something silly like a trailing / in the share name? That's stuffed me up before. |
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10:59.05 | nksen | nope, nothing like that. also the missing encrypted passwords line in smb.conf often is the culprit |
10:59.32 | dev_loop | anyone how can i install flash plguin on konqueror |
10:59.33 | dev_loop | ? |
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11:00.39 | thiago | dev_loop: install it in /usr/lib/mozilla |
11:01.08 | canllaith | nksen, yeah that one has got me a few times too. Strange. Ah well, I'm sure you'll sort it out. |
11:01.15 | dev_loop | thiago, thx man |
11:02.46 | dev_loop | thiago, bah man i have /usr/lib/mozilla-1.7.6/ so i just make a ln -s , thx man |
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11:19.54 | spike | hi |
11:20.21 | nksen | canllaith: indeed I did sort it out ;) I had to define a wins-server for correct name resolution |
11:20.23 | spike | I'm using kopete, I eneabled the "history" plugin, but I can't find any logs in .kde/share/apps/kopete |
11:20.28 | spike | any idea where they are? |
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11:23.33 | ngallow | how can i remove document relate on my konqueror |
11:24.06 | ngallow | that is o nthe toolbar |
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12:00.23 | neoclust | hi |
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12:00.38 | neoclust | hi plg ;) |
12:01.00 | plg | hi neoclust |
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12:09.25 | vbo_ | howdy folks, anyone know if there's a limit as to the number of kio_http procs that can run at a time? |
12:12.04 | PhilRod | not that I know of |
12:12.31 | PhilRod | unless there's a system-level (ie, not KDE) restriction on the number of sockets open |
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12:15.42 | usual | how do I disable animations when mini/max |
12:16.11 | vbo_ | PhilRod: kay, thanks. |
12:17.03 | PhilRod | usual: control center -> desktop -> window behavior -> moving |
12:18.27 | usual | thank you |
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12:23.49 | drzed_ | hy! |
12:24.25 | drzed_ | i have some strange problems with my screensaver: the 'lock' functions does not work anymore? |
12:25.47 | drzed_ | 'dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock' simply does not work |
12:26.11 | drzed_ | there is no error output or something |
12:26.22 | drzed_ | how could i find out more? |
12:27.55 | PhilRod | can you lock your screen with the item in the K menu? |
12:28.02 | PhilRod | can you run kdesktop_lock from a konsole? |
12:28.34 | drzed_ | the button in the k menu also does not work |
12:29.35 | drzed_ | hmm i do not have a cmd. called 'kdesktop_lock' just 'kdesktop_lock_nobt' |
12:30.07 | drzed_ | which acticates the sceensaver but does not lock the desktop |
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12:34.12 | PhilRod | kdesktop_lock --forcelock |
12:34.12 | drzed_ | however this command return this: |
12:34.14 | drzed_ | X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10 |
12:34.14 | drzed_ | <PROTECTED> |
12:34.14 | drzed_ | <PROTECTED> |
12:34.15 | drzed_ | <PROTECTED> |
12:35.05 | drzed_ | hmm 'kdesktop_lock_nobt --forcelock' seems to work |
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12:40.57 | drzed_ | another problem: pressing the "windows(R)" key does not show the k-menu (wich worked quite fine the last moth) |
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12:46.19 | PhilRod | the feature has been removed, afaik |
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12:47.53 | orangey | hey all! |
12:48.03 | orangey | how can I make it so that kde (3.3)'s konqueror has the google search bar? |
12:48.05 | drzed_ | PhilRod: thx! |
12:49.44 | PhilRod | drzed_: it was discussed on the mailing list: take a look at lists.kde.org and search the 'kde' mailing list for "windows key" or something similar |
12:49.56 | PhilRod | orangey: install kdeaddons |
12:50.53 | Trevelyan | orangey, don't know put you can do the same in the address using gg: prefix, eg "gg: some search string" |
12:51.35 | orangey | Trevelyan, Yeah, I got that.. |
12:51.48 | orangey | PhilRod, Thank you.. I see that there's a "kde addons search" package, so I'll try that out. |
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12:54.33 | drzed_ | next question (: this time about kmilo |
12:55.43 | drzed_ | when increasing the volume the volume-inicator stops at 10% and does not go any further |
12:55.49 | drzed_ | +d |
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13:09.06 | drzed_ | ok, next strage thing: kmail freezes kind of on statup |
13:09.50 | drzed_ | this problems seems ony to concern my user |
13:10.39 | drzed_ | so i deleted all kmail settings and started making new ones -> same result: kmail freezes |
13:11.10 | PhilRod | completely? is it running some process in the background? (eg a spam checker) |
13:11.48 | Kryczek | hello |
13:11.57 | Kryczek | any idea where the KDEDIR variable is set? |
13:12.22 | Kryczek | it still points to /usr/kde/3.2 , even though i have 3.4 installed :/ |
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13:13.01 | PhilRod | Kryczek: usual shell startup scripts: ~/.profile, ~/.bashrc, etc etc |
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13:13.10 | drzed_ | PhilRod: not comletly but i doe not do anything (like spam/virus checking not even fetching new mails) |
13:13.30 | drzed_ | but if i open the config dialog i can not close it anymore |
13:13.41 | drzed_ | and it does not display any mails |
13:13.58 | drzed_ | only if i click on 'show source' i can see the mail |
13:14.13 | Kryczek | PhilRod: that's only for the shell |
13:14.15 | drzed_ | after closing kmail it crashes |
13:14.23 | drzed_ | heres the backtrace: http://phpfi.com/56024 |
13:14.26 | Kryczek | PhilRod: how do i set it for kdevelop for example |
13:14.40 | [pkh] | anything but 100% volume doesn't work in the sounds settings for the kde system notifications. is there anything I should be looking at here? |
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13:15.09 | johnny69 | Can someone tell me, since upgrading to Kde 3.4 - It seems my "devices" link/icon has completely dissapeared from Konqueror. I want it back !!! Can someone help me ? |
13:16.31 | [pkh] | you want to change everything over to use media: instead of devices: |
13:16.34 | drzed_ | johnny69: now called media |
13:16.57 | [pkh] | just do a grep -RIi devices * while in the ~/.kde directory and edit any occurances of it. |
13:18.36 | PhilRod | Kryczek: you run kdevelop from a shell in which KDEDIR is set correctly. How do you start KDE? startx? |
13:19.23 | johnny69 | [pkh] But "media" isn't showing up in konqueror at all, anywhere. If I do what your saying will it fix that for me? I will then see "media" in the right side box with the other "devices"? Such as the drives, printers, etc? |
13:19.31 | neoclust | where does camera:/ goes ? |
13:19.40 | [pkh] | yes, edit the kde config files to use media: instead of devices: |
13:19.44 | neoclust | it shows nothing for me |
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13:20.27 | Kryczek | PhilRod: from inside my KDE menu... |
13:20.37 | johnny69 | [pkh]: Ok thanks, will try the grep thing now and edit accordingly. |
13:20.43 | [pkh] | k |
13:21.18 | [pkh] | has anyone here gotten the default kde system notifications player to generate sounds at lower than 100% volume? |
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13:22.13 | da_bon_bon | hey, after reinstalling QT to 3.3.4, all my themes have disappeared from kcontrol, and kde looks uuuugly |
13:22.15 | da_bon_bon | please help |
13:22.25 | Kryczek | [pkh]: oh you just solved my problem of not having system notifications :D i had the volume at 50% |
13:22.43 | lauri | da_bon_bon: recompile kdelibs |
13:22.44 | [pkh] | Kryczek: so it doesn't work for you either? |
13:22.58 | da_bon_bon | lauri: no, i will reinstall. i use packaging * slackware |
13:23.09 | lauri | da_bon_bon: widget themes are Qt plugins, if you upgrade Qt, they may not be binary compatible, and they won't load |
13:23.09 | da_bon_bon | lauri: so, i just need to reinstall it ? |
13:23.18 | lauri | da_bon_bon: then, use a kdelibs built against the Qt you have |
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13:23.24 | [pkh] | Kryczek: that's all I wanted to know. doesn't work for anyone I guess... |
13:23.38 | Kryczek | sucks :| |
13:23.45 | da_bon_bon | lauri: ok |
13:23.50 | da_bon_bon | lauri: thanks a looott |
13:23.51 | lauri | [pkh]: most of us got tired of the noises about 25 seconds after first hearing them |
13:24.03 | [pkh] | Kryczek: I'm wondering why the option is there to have <100% volume if it doens't work... |
13:24.08 | Kryczek | lauri: it's useful for kopete messages |
13:24.14 | Kryczek | otherwise i always forget about people talking to me |
13:24.20 | [pkh] | lauri: yeah, but I still want -- exactly kopete messages.... |
13:24.23 | lauri | I think "hi, I'm a new kde user, how do I turn off the sounds" is probably the most FA'ed of Q's *ever* |
13:24.50 | [pkh] | lauri: everything turned off except what I want :) but those I want are coming through at earsplitting volume or not at all... |
13:24.59 | [pkh] | v. annoying |
13:25.01 | Kryczek | lauri: it's so easy to turn them off... I would ignore such users for plain stupidity |
13:25.13 | lauri | it is *now* |
13:25.21 | lauri | why do you think that got added as a single button? |
13:25.28 | sarah03 | Kryczek: That makes us look like a bunch of jackasses. |
13:25.31 | [pkh] | Kryczek: ah, once you know how to operate the thing it's easy. the first time there's a lot of buttons and options to work through. |
13:25.47 | lauri | because it wasn't very easy, and it was asked a *lot* |
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13:25.52 | Bart_ | howdy |
13:26.07 | lauri | as for kopete, I solve the problem of not noticing people are im'ing me by pretty much not caring if I miss a message :) |
13:26.16 | lauri | I suspect that isn't helpful |
13:26.20 | Bart_ | is there a option that i can use with konquoerer the smb:// shares with kerberos? |
13:26.29 | [pkh] | lauri: not really, I use it for work and people get a little pissed :) |
13:26.30 | lauri | (you could tab all your chats together, and sticky them on all your desktops) |
13:26.44 | Bart_ | i have a ticket uptodate.. with smbclient //foo/bar -k i can browse on the windows share without pass or login |
13:26.47 | [pkh] | lauri: I've got enough clutter already thanks. |
13:26.56 | Bart_ | but with konquorer i can´t browse without login and pass? |
13:27.02 | lauri | hey, I'm trying :) |
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13:28.09 | sarah03 | It wouldn't be a problem, except that I'm using the same builddir that I used before for 3.4b2, but with a different prefix. So it's trying to link bits and pieces of it to my old install. |
13:28.12 | sarah03 | :) |
13:28.32 | PhilRod | Kryczek: you start KDE from your K menu??? |
13:28.36 | lauri | well, that's nice of it |
13:28.50 | sarah03 | lauri: Yup. I hate libtool. |
13:29.02 | sarah03 | Fortunately all it takes to fix it is a relink. |
13:29.14 | lauri | sarah03: heh |
13:29.22 | lauri | now you make me think of a little bit of KDE history |
13:29.38 | Kryczek | PhilRod: sorry i thought u said Kdevelop, since you suggested to put it in my .bashrc and launch it from a shell lol |
13:29.41 | Kryczek | PhilRod: kdm |
13:29.52 | sarah03 | I've never liked libtool to begin with. |
13:29.58 | Kryczek | who does :p |
13:30.07 | PhilRod | Kryczek: what kde version? |
13:30.17 | Kryczek | 3.4 |
13:30.48 | lauri | sarah03: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-cvs&m=98637551015267&w=2 |
13:30.56 | lauri | follow the 'next in thread links' too :) |
13:33.11 | sarah03 | lol |
13:33.54 | Kryczek | PhilRod: any idea ? |
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13:37.31 | da_bon_bon | lauri: didnt work. if kdelibs is compiled againt qt 3.3.3 and i have qt 3.3.4, will it work ? |
13:38.15 | lauri | like I said, for packages, use a kdelibs compiled against the same qt |
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13:38.50 | da_bon_bon | lauri: oh ok... :( |
13:39.01 | da_bon_bon | lauri: isnt it just better to use konstruct and build from source ? |
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13:39.35 | PhilRod | Kryczek: create ~/.kde/env/set-kdedir.sh and put "export KDEDIR=/wherever/" in it |
13:39.39 | PhilRod | apt: autostart |
13:39.42 | apt | autostart is, like, http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/configure.html question 10.10 |
13:39.42 | canllaith | Hey hey PhilRod :) |
13:39.53 | PhilRod | Kryczek: ^^^ and read that :-) |
13:40.00 | PhilRod | heya canllaith :-) |
13:40.06 | canllaith | How are you? :) |
13:40.32 | PhilRod | alright, apart from stressing over the stuff I have to do :-) |
13:40.39 | canllaith | heh fair enough |
13:40.59 | Kryczek | PhilRod: I sincerely think that variable should be in the System Administration -> Paths dialog |
13:41.02 | lauri | da_bon_bon: you told me you didn't want to compile, you were using packages |
13:41.10 | PhilRod | heh, I finally made it to top of the google search results for "Philip Rodrigues" - mostly thanks to planetkde, I imagine :-) |
13:41.22 | lauri | but yes, recompiling kdelibs (or even just the widget plugins) would fix this |
13:41.30 | da_bon_bon | lauri: i know, but now i am seriously reconsidering. |
13:41.30 | canllaith | Yeah, I'm like the first 5 pages for 'canllaith' now :| |
13:42.12 | canllaith | squarely too :) |
13:42.27 | da_bon_bon | lauri: u use a compiled version of kde ? |
13:42.29 | canllaith | hahaha I know, poor things. Gwydion-dylan might make them feel better.. until they actually click on the link that is |
13:42.43 | PhilRod | Kryczek: I guess it's kinda assumed that it must be set correctly before you run the session |
13:45.14 | Kryczek | PhilRod: then i will modify it in /usr/kde/3.4/bin/startkde |
13:45.16 | Kryczek | :) |
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13:46.28 | membreya | hmm how do I fix this without rebooting? kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed. |
13:47.04 | mfx- | try restarting kde only? |
13:47.44 | membreya | roger :D |
13:48.06 | lauri | sarah03: for the best ever libtool fun |
13:48.08 | lauri | install esd |
13:48.16 | lauri | install arts |
13:48.18 | lauri | uninstall esd |
13:48.20 | neoclust | someone on Mandrake here ? |
13:48.23 | qknight | hey. when will kaddressbook be fixed? i've got this very annoying error for 1 or 2 months now that i can't change entries or add new ones |
13:48.26 | lauri | try to get anything else from KDE to even thnk about linking |
13:50.34 | lauri | qknight: "when will <whatever> be fixed" is a really confrontational way to get assistance |
13:51.01 | lauri | clearly most people are not having this problem, so it seems to be a bug - did you report it yet? |
13:51.08 | lauri | have you checked if anyone else *is* having the problem? |
13:51.34 | da_bon_bon | lauri: u use compiled kde or packages ? |
13:52.32 | lauri | I have a lot of computers, I use a mix |
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13:55.43 | sarah03 | lauri: Heh. I have no intention of installing esd. I don't use anything that requires it, so why install it? |
13:56.24 | lauri | sarah03: I got it accidentally installed by not reading a package install menu clearly enough |
13:56.34 | lauri | and missing that it was one of the optional deps |
13:56.41 | sarah03 | Oops. |
13:56.50 | lauri | boy did I regret that (I have it blocked now, in case I ever get that dumb again) |
13:57.25 | qknight | lauri: i'm sorry, didn't want to blam anyone for it |
13:57.28 | lauri | it's a real bastard (or maybe it's arts, I don't know, anywhere an -larts goes, an -lesd is sure to follow, and rebuilding arts entirely didn't completely get rid of it |
13:57.38 | qknight | lauri: just tought that more ppl have discored it |
13:57.55 | lauri | qknight: well, the place to find that out, is bugs.kde.org |
13:57.55 | qknight | lauri: use jackd |
13:57.57 | lauri | if they have, it should be on there |
13:58.05 | lauri | and if not, you can report it |
13:58.10 | lauri | and I have no use for jackd |
13:58.21 | canllaith | OMG HOW HORRIBLE |
13:58.26 | canllaith | http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.php/714f9d9e/FindingNemo.jpg&cb=20040306052030 |
13:58.54 | sarah03 | [After coaxing out all of the dependencies on my current KDE install, whee!] |
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13:59.16 | canllaith | poor Nemo :( |
13:59.26 | lauri | heh |
13:59.28 | lauri | poor canllaith |
13:59.46 | canllaith | I don't care about ugly ones. They can get eaten. |
13:59.51 | canllaith | Cute ones though..... :( |
14:00.00 | sarah03 | canllaith: That's just ... well, wrong. |
14:00.04 | lauri | so basically, hyenas are toast |
14:00.15 | canllaith | Yeah, pretty much. Kill em all and make sandwiches out of them. |
14:00.48 | sarah03 | Is it just me or has the population of #kde been growing recently? |
14:01.16 | lauri | it hsa |
14:01.18 | lauri | has |
14:01.29 | canllaith | mmm must be me and lauri dragging the channel down to new lows. |
14:01.36 | lauri | 40-50 odd people on average more than whenever it was I came back |
14:01.43 | sarah03 | I remember when I first came in here, it was hovering around 150. |
14:01.44 | lauri | canllaith: tone it down now, you're being hostile |
14:01.52 | canllaith | Hey, don't you tell *ME* to tone it down! |
14:02.01 | canllaith | Don't be such an angry woman |
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14:02.10 | lauri | c'mere and say that, wench! |
14:02.18 | canllaith | gonna spank me if I do ;) |
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14:02.24 | lauri | only if you ask nice |
14:02.47 | canllaith | hehehe whoops, this aint -docs |
14:02.55 | sarah03 | lol |
14:03.56 | scrooge | 0.o |
14:04.00 | frinkillo | re :) |
14:04.03 | scrooge | wtf going on in here? |
14:04.04 | scrooge | doc wars? |
14:04.12 | scrooge | moin! |
14:04.14 | scrooge | :D |
14:04.20 | canllaith | ahahahaha |
14:04.26 | dive | Hi, I'm going to be upgrading from KDE 3.3.2 to KDE 3.4 later on today (ie, once it's done building). I was wondering: do I have to redo any settings after the upgrade, or delete my user preferences before starting up with the new KDE? |
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14:04.34 | canllaith | 'see the docugoddesses, live steamy hot action!' |
14:04.37 | scrooge | lol |
14:04.39 | sarah03 | lol |
14:04.44 | lauri | dive: in theory, no |
14:04.51 | canllaith | 'watch the docudominatrix and her submissive most faqable companion' |
14:04.52 | lauri | dive: in practise, back them up just in case |
14:04.57 | dive | nod okay |
14:05.00 | scrooge | dive: which distro? |
14:05.00 | lauri | but probably still no |
14:05.08 | lauri | indeed, canllaith is the faqable one |
14:05.09 | dive | scrooge: not running Linux. NetBSD |
14:05.15 | scrooge | ahh |
14:05.34 | lauri | oh you should have even less trouble in that department than most then |
14:05.38 | scrooge | in gentoo, there slotted. so 3.3 has its slot, 3.4 has its slot but all settings are copied over to the latest kde |
14:05.43 | sarah03 | Mm. NetBSD. |
14:06.05 | lauri | not to say the bsd packaging is perfect, but most of the issues over busting user prefs tend to come from distributions package/desktop customizations |
14:06.18 | scrooge | and `cleanlinks` |
14:06.21 | scrooge | *shudder* |
14:06.25 | scrooge | EVILNESS I TELL YOU |
14:06.39 | frinkillo | lauri: do you remember the question about Sieve support in KMail? I'm still stuck without knowing how to use it =) |
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14:06.52 | dive | lauri: ah. NetBSD pkgsrc (as far as I know) doesn't do any real distro-customization other than sticking a daemon icon where a penguin one would go in some places, I think. |
14:06.54 | lauri | frinkillo: oh heh, I still don't know the answer |
14:07.11 | frinkillo | heh, ok |
14:07.14 | lauri | nope, it's pretty much stock (freebsd too) |
14:07.16 | scrooge | *cough* soooooo.... |
14:07.21 | scrooge | wats for breakfast? 0:D |
14:07.32 | brucehoult | oh faqable one... |
14:07.42 | dive | I started a betting pool among some friends of mine... how long KDE 3.4 will take to build ;-) |
14:07.50 | lauri | brucehoult: you have input for her? |
14:07.55 | sarah03 | dive: Depends on how much of it you're building. :D |
14:08.00 | lauri | dive: how long is a piece of string? |
14:08.01 | dive | if I recall correctly, 3.3.2 took about ten hours, but I only had half a gig of ram back then |
14:08.03 | scrooge | and hardware! |
14:08.08 | dive | lauri: lol |
14:08.26 | lauri | dive: give it lots of ram, buit it across another hard drive if you can, turn on enable-final if you can (freebsd ports provide a switch for that) |
14:08.30 | scrooge | [========================] <---that long |
14:08.37 | scrooge | give or take a = |
14:08.41 | lauri | and it'll take about not quite as long as that piece of string to build |
14:08.49 | dive | lauri: it's building across two SATA150 7200RPM+8MB cache drives |
14:08.55 | lauri | and you don't have to build all of everything |
14:08.56 | scrooge | :O |
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14:09.11 | scrooge | enable-final...wats that do? hmm |
14:09.29 | dive | the chroot I'm building it in is on a non-softdep'd drive, but all the object files and package source is on a softdep'd drive |
14:09.30 | sarah03 | scrooge: Builds entire modules as a single file. |
14:09.37 | lauri | dive: compiling can get quite i/o bound, source on one drive, build directories on the other, actually makes a noticeable difference |
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14:10.18 | dive | lauri: yeah, that's why I spread out my pkg_comp chroot so that it gets source from one drive but does the real work on another |
14:10.28 | lauri | and yeah, enable-final wants a half a gig or more of ram, but it can knock a third off your build time (it can also fail really really hard) |
14:10.37 | lauri | but it's well tested in release builds |
14:10.41 | scrooge | ahh ok |
14:10.55 | dive | well, it's already been building for two and a half hours, I'm not gonna go restart it now grin |
14:10.58 | sarah03 | Benefits are, it compiles faster. Downsides are, if you want to go tweaking or anything, well, you basically have to rebuild the entire module. |
14:10.59 | dive | I'm patient |
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14:11.07 | lauri | it's not much use to developing unfortunately, since you don't want to recompile all the stuff you didn't touch just becasue you touched something in one directory |
14:11.16 | lauri | also it screws up debug sometimes |
14:11.42 | lauri | (bt's with bad line numbers) |
14:12.00 | sarah03 | [It's useless when you want to track HEAD, for the hell of it. Yes, I'm strange.] |
14:12.44 | lauri | well, we assume you will be assimilated^Wmotivated to join us, eventually |
14:13.01 | dive | lol, who? |
14:13.11 | dive | me? I'm already a KDE fan :) |
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14:13.38 | dive | once I saw how nice 3.3.2 was on a 2.16ghz athlon with a half gig of ram, there was no turning back |
14:13.43 | sarah03 | dive: I believe she's talking about me. :D |
14:13.46 | dive | oh |
14:14.37 | dive | well then, in that case, sarah03: resistance is fluxboxtile. you will be assimilated. or something like that... |
14:14.42 | sarah03 | It's nice on an Athlon 800, as well. I never did use 3.3.2, though. I went from the 3.2 betas to 3.2.1 to 3.3.1 to 3.4 betas and now I'm building 3.4.89 [yesterday's CVS.] |
14:15.12 | sarah03 | dive: At least you aren't Dyslexic of Borg: Resistance is fertile. Your ass shall be laminated. |
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14:15.37 | dive | haha, I've never heard that with the resistance is fertile bit before |
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14:16.05 | sarah03 | It had to be said. :D |
14:16.42 | dive | it was only fair, since I told you that you were going to be assimilated |
14:17.07 | dive | having one's ass laminated might prove to be very inconvenient, however |
14:17.33 | sarah03 | lol |
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14:17.38 | sarah03 | Yup, I would imagine so. |
14:18.01 | brucehoult | it would make it less likely to get wrinkles, I guess |
14:18.06 | dive | ugh, I really need to get a UPS. mine died a couple months ago, and the power went out the other day. waiting for 265-ish gigs to fsck fscking sucks. |
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16:04.22 | *** topic/#kde is KDE 3.4 released | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/ - the answer to your question might already be here! | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | If you've just upgraded to 3.4 using Konstruct and your KDE has strange colours and symbols everywhere, check your $QTDIR ! |
16:05.20 | Zalamander | so, I'll get to reading the docs on this of course, but I'm curious first: how selective can I be when compiling KDE? For example, can I say "don't include knotes", and things like kontact will know then not to look for knotes, and throw an error? |
16:05.32 | lauri | sure |
16:05.40 | lauri | ehm |
16:05.50 | lauri | rather, they won't throw an error |
16:06.00 | lauri | you need kdelibs, for anything else to compile |
16:06.08 | lauri | you need kdebase, if you want to run "KDE" the desktop (ie, as intended) |
16:06.40 | lauri | anything further is pretty much optional, and things should stop at the configure stage, if you're trying to disable something they really want |
16:06.40 | Zalamander | sure, I want to build "KDE", but maybe just cull out a few dozen apps that I never use. |
16:07.19 | lauri | if you get it *compiled* then you're fine, kontact won't barf if knotes isn't there, it just won't offer the notes funcions |
16:07.27 | Zalamander | so if I build without noatun, for example, will clicking on an mp3 file (BY DEFAULT) throw an error that "noatun could not be found" ? |
16:07.38 | lauri | no |
16:07.41 | Zalamander | cool |
16:07.46 | lauri | it'll ask you what you want to open it with |
16:07.47 | Zalamander | I understand I can set my file prefs |
16:07.48 | lauri | or use some other player, if one's been set |
16:07.52 | Zalamander | great |
16:07.56 | lauri | sure |
16:08.24 | Zalamander | I've heard of "konstruct". Is this a recommended building tool? I'm comfortable with straight command-line compiles and such |
16:08.34 | lauri | noatun is no hard dependency for instance, just a default (and one of a list, every media player you install that KDE knows about, goes in the list, adn it'll just take the most preferred one) |
16:08.43 | lauri | Zalamander: it's an automation |
16:08.46 | Zalamander | I see |
16:08.59 | Zalamander | lauri an automation of the build? |
16:09.07 | lauri | it'll handle the dependencies for you, it's configurable, it'll go fetch teh sources, build and install the bits you tell it to |
16:09.28 | lauri | right |
16:09.56 | Zalamander | cool, I would probably opt to do it manually the first time at least, but that sounds like a good tool if it works well. |
16:10.50 | Zalamander | thanks again for all the info. Have a great day everyone |
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16:10.57 | lauri | I've never used it :) |
16:11.00 | lauri | but a lot of people do |
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16:33.05 | Flendor | Hello. |
16:33.57 | sredna | Hi Flendor :) |
16:34.09 | Flendor | Hey there Anders :) How's it going? |
16:34.14 | Flendor | I'm downloading KDE 3.4 :) |
16:34.18 | sredna | Good thanks :) |
16:34.52 | sredna | How are you? |
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16:36.37 | Flendor | I'm pretty well :) |
16:36.58 | Flendor | I have to fix my uncle's Win98 box tomorrow :/ |
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16:47.38 | eidolon | hey folks - anyone had a problem with gnome-control-settings not starting when KDE starts? this didn't used to happen... but the problem is that i start xchat and my fonts are all hosed. then if i launch gnome-control-center, and double-click on 'fonts', xchat immediately updates with the correct fonts (i'm assuming cuz it's launching gnome-settings-daemon). is there some trigger to get that started automatically in KDE? |
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16:48.00 | eidolon | i need the gnome-settings-daemon running for things like evolution and xchat. |
16:48.01 | sredna | Flendor: Easy, install linux :o |
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16:49.38 | sredna | eidolon: You can use the autostart directory to start programs not handeled by the kde session manager, or if you have a recent verison of KDE, a script in ~/.kde/env/*.sh |
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16:50.32 | eidolon | yah, actually, i think ijust found an article on it. i've symlinked /usr/bin/gnome-settings-daemon into ~/.kde/Autostart/ |
16:51.40 | sredna | eidolon: That should work I guess |
16:51.45 | eidolon | heh |
16:53.04 | Flendor | sredna - I wish I could, but my cousins (10 - 13 years) are game freaks |
16:53.19 | sredna | WineX? |
16:53.39 | eidolon | i'm evaluating cedega now. |
16:53.42 | eidolon | it's not all that great. |
16:53.57 | eidolon | i've gotten -one- game working so far, and it's twitchy. (wc3) |
16:53.58 | sredna | What is cedega? |
16:54.04 | eidolon | cedega is the commercial side of winex. |
16:54.10 | sredna | Oh |
16:54.19 | Flendor | sredna - They wouldn't bother :/ |
16:54.32 | Flendor | They would just get another guy to re-install Windows |
16:54.36 | sarah03 | I just don't bother gaming with Wine or derivatives. |
16:54.42 | Flendor | Good bye, and bon appetit. |
16:55.04 | eidolon | the whole gaming thing has gotten me pretty grumpy. i miss real games, and the linux offerings are pretty slim. |
16:55.09 | sarah03 | But, then again, the games that I play on a regular basis - spider solitaire. |
16:55.33 | Flendor | eidolon - I agree. That's why I've never been able to keep Windows out of my PC's for a long time. |
16:55.41 | eidolon | i just have another machine :) |
16:55.45 | Flendor | Heh :) |
16:55.49 | Flendor | I have only one :/ |
16:55.59 | sarah03 | I got to a point while playing klondike that I could finish off a game of it in about 70 seconds. |
16:56.01 | eidolon | but it's *points8 over there. anyway. i really should do work anyway :) |
16:56.16 | Flendor | But when I get a leet Athlon 64 I might make this PC a Linux one :D |
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16:56.28 | Flendor | ..oh, no, cousins will seize it :/ |
16:56.32 | Flendor | sarah - LOL |
16:56.43 | eidolon | k, i gotta restart to check this autostart fun. bbiafew. |
16:56.54 | Flendor | I got quite advanced in Minefield (Win) some years ago.. |
16:56.55 | sarah03 | *click*click*click*click*click* done. |
16:57.11 | Flendor | ...where I could finish a game in 13 seconds.. |
16:57.28 | PieD | Flendor: my brother did 9 seconds :) |
16:57.30 | Flendor | I don't remember the size though :/ It might even be the time it took me to finish a map on my cell phone.. |
16:57.48 | Flendor | PieD, LOL, own3d :) |
16:58.16 | sarah03 | Spider solitaire presents a wee bit more of a challenge than klondike - it takes me about 3 minutes to finish a game of it off, instead of 70 seconds. |
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16:59.04 | Flendor | sarah - I used to be hooked to TuxRacer when I was on SuSE.. |
16:59.12 | Flendor | ..never managed to get it running under Slack tho :/ |
17:01.33 | frerich | Since I fixed the algorithm which checks whether the game can be won, I always check the possible moves like the algorithm does - one by one, very slowly. :} |
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17:34.31 | dolphin | to be exact, xine window when it's sticked |
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17:35.24 | dolphin | anyone? |
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17:50.35 | Hoochie-Coochie- | Has anyone managed to compile amaroK 1.2.3 from sources? :) |
17:51.02 | annma | Hoochie-Coochie-: what error do you get? -> in paste bin |
17:51.18 | Hoochie-Coochie- | check it out right here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TrSa9c71.html |
17:51.28 | Hoochie-Coochie- | libz in fact... |
17:51.31 | dolphin | annma: can you tell? |
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17:52.12 | annma | Hoochie-Coochie-: first it's not even compilation it's configuration |
17:52.28 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> right you are |
17:52.47 | annma | Hoochie-Coochie-: so what is your distro? |
17:52.53 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> so, any ideas? |
17:53.03 | annma | Hoochie-Coochie-: so what is your distro? |
17:53.11 | peppelorum | Having trouble to get Kopete to display åäö (swedish characters) from some contacts, http://rafb.net/paste/results/MDFFaF92.html |
17:53.14 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> Slackware GNU\Linux, but does it really matter? |
17:53.17 | peppelorum | is the message I get |
17:53.28 | annma | Hoochie-Coochie-: XFree version or xorg? |
17:53.54 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> 6.8.1 |
17:54.07 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> I mean xorg |
17:54.29 | annma | dis you upgrade recently? |
17:55.00 | annma | peppelorum: you also have trouble on IRC, I see squares |
17:55.03 | Hoochie-Coochie- | you mean to the most recent version of xorg? |
17:55.23 | peppelorum | annma: I use iso8859-1 |
17:55.23 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> no, actually. I use the one version after the most latest |
17:55.33 | annma | peppelorum: use utf8 |
17:55.44 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> do you mean to say that libz is connected with xorg, don't you? |
17:55.53 | peppelorum | annma: that's bad |
17:56.00 | annma | peppelorum: lol |
17:56.03 | annma | of course not |
17:56.15 | annma | éà çè |
17:56.29 | peppelorum | annma: =) |
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17:56.30 | annma | peppelorum: do you see that ^? |
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17:56.52 | peppelorum | Apart from that, how do I change the encoding for a special contact in Kopete? |
17:57.49 | annma | Settings -> Configure Kopete -> Appearance |
17:57.56 | annma | Fonts & Colors tab |
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17:58.21 | Static_-X-_ | does anyone know where i can get the desktop addons like calender and cpu temp etc |
17:58.33 | Static_-X-_ | or at least what are they called so i can search |
17:58.52 | annma | calendar is shipped with clock |
17:59.11 | peppelorum | annma: where? I can't find it, http://peppesbodega.nu/turban/tumbo/Bilder/Screenshots/kde/kopete.png |
17:59.13 | kottlett | it's a small program called karamba/superkaramba... you can get it and the themes at www.kde-look.org |
18:00.13 | annma | peppelorum: does Verdana support swedish? |
18:00.26 | peppelorum | annma: of course |
18:00.36 | annma | so why do you have a problem? |
18:00.43 | annma | because you're not utf8? |
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18:00.59 | moserre | does anyone know a kde app for subversion? |
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18:01.40 | annma | kdevelop |
18:01.45 | annma | nothing else |
18:01.48 | peppelorum | annma: I've got utf-8 as a locale, but not as the standard. This is how it doesn't work, http://peppesbodega.nu/turban/tumbo/Bilder/Screenshots/kde/kopete2.png |
18:01.51 | annma | command line is easy though |
18:02.08 | moserre | annma: kdevelop can svn? |
18:02.09 | annma | peppelorum: then put utf8 in kcontrol |
18:02.15 | annma | moserre: I just said so |
18:02.22 | moserre | cool thx |
18:02.40 | annma | peppelorum: did you see my chars previously? |
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18:03.05 | Bart_ | howdy |
18:03.15 | peppelorum | annma: not as they should be no, so I'm missing utf-8 totally or? |
18:03.16 | Bart_ | anybody knows how can i use kerberos with kde3? |
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18:03.48 | annma | peppelorum: same as in kopete, you see what you write but NOT what others write |
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18:15.55 | Bart_ | anybody ever used konqueror, smb & kerberos |
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18:18.13 | annma | what is kerberos? |
18:18.29 | Bart_ | annma is a authentification method for smb |
18:18.42 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> erm... Here I am back again ) |
18:18.42 | annma | do you need it? |
18:18.47 | Bart_ | i want that i can browse smb with the konquorer and kerberos |
18:18.52 | Bart_ | annma yes i need it |
18:19.03 | annma | Hoochie-Coochie-: so is your KDE working properly? |
18:19.30 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> sure! I compiled amaroK 1.x.x before without any trouble |
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18:19.48 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> and used my packages for other machines - they work just fine |
18:19.48 | annma | on the same machine? |
18:20.02 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> correct |
18:20.03 | annma | I mean with the same xorg? |
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18:20.07 | Simpleguy | Hi, is this an appropriate channel for KDE advocacy-related stuff? |
18:20.11 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> yes |
18:20.14 | annma | advocacy? |
18:20.25 | annma | Simpleguy: no spam here |
18:20.29 | Simpleguy | yes, promoting KDE. |
18:20.31 | Hoochie-Coochie- | Simpleguy> you wanna argue here? |
18:20.43 | annma | Simpleguy: thi is a kde channel so it promotes kde |
18:21.13 | Simpleguy | I am thinking of doing a KDE presentation at the monthly group meeting of my local LUG |
18:21.28 | annma | Hoochie-Coochie-: look in your config.log as suggested |
18:21.36 | annma | Simpleguy: yes, good |
18:21.50 | annma | Simpleguy: I also did that |
18:21.50 | Simpleguy | I wanted to know if you folks already had promotional material such as slides. |
18:21.54 | annma | no |
18:22.01 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> what exactly do you propose to look for? |
18:22.08 | annma | Simpleguy: you can end or start with konqi video |
18:22.16 | annma | Hoochie-Coochie-: post it on paste bin |
18:22.30 | annma | Simpleguy: the rest you'll have to do yourself |
18:22.33 | Simpleguy | I found a 2003-dated presentation on the www I do not know if the information in there is still valid. |
18:22.45 | Tomasu | where are the "auto-save" settings for kate? (ie: save every 5min, etc) |
18:22.46 | annma | 2003 will be quite obsolete |
18:22.52 | Tomasu | I cant seem to find any |
18:22.56 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> wanna see a completet file? |
18:23.12 | Goliath23 | can't I use openGL (nvidia) AND the composite extension in Xorg? |
18:23.15 | Goliath23 | If I enable composite then the glx module doesn't load |
18:23.28 | annma | Hoochie-Coochie-: yes |
18:23.39 | annma | Tomasu: then it does not exist |
18:23.58 | Simpleguy | Goliath23, : Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" in Section "Device" in xorg.conf |
18:24.06 | Static_-X-_ | is there a way to make the background of konqueror transparent |
18:24.40 | Goliath23 | Simpleguy: Oh, Thank YOU ;) |
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18:24.48 | Goliath23 | will try it immediately |
18:25.37 | Tomasu | annma, why would it not have autosave? |
18:25.54 | annma | Tomasu: why would it? |
18:26.43 | Tomasu | because just yesterday my system locked up due to a run away process, and I had several files unsaved... had kate autosaved them, Id have lost less work. |
18:27.22 | annma | yes so file a bug report |
18:27.46 | Tomasu | wow, youre helpful ::) |
18:28.25 | annma | well if it does not exist, how can I make it exist? |
18:28.58 | Tomasu | I thought I could have been missing something... hence the question. |
18:29.09 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> here you're :) |
18:29.13 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> http://rafb.net/paste/results/XgTh5B14.html |
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18:30.18 | annma | Hoochie-Coochie-: seems due to your slacware package |
18:30.42 | annma | Hoochie-Coochie-: did you use google to see if there were same errors reported? |
18:30.44 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> not really sure what you mean... clarify, please |
18:31.16 | Flendor | Hey, hello annma :) How are you? |
18:31.19 | annma | : undefined reference to `gzgets' |
18:31.21 | annma | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-slackware-linux/3.3.4/../../../libz.so: undefined reference to `errno' |
18:31.21 | annma | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
18:31.29 | annma | in your config.log, Hoochie-Coochie- |
18:31.41 | annma | your libz.so is not ok |
18:31.43 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> I see |
18:32.10 | annma | so did you look for same errors? |
18:32.24 | annma | in slackware forums or in Google? |
18:32.26 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> no... wait a minute... I've got an idea |
18:33.35 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> nevermind |
18:33.43 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> forget it |
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18:34.54 | annma | Hoochie-Coochie-: did you fix it? |
18:36.29 | Hoochie-Coochie- | annma> no |
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18:52.24 | Flendor | Re. |
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19:03.12 | zeano | remember how konqueror used to have auto-sizeing columns (used to make the column the size of the biggest entry) on the detailed list view, is there any way to do that still? |
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19:04.36 | gerben | wie weet er iets over het kde-menu ? |
19:05.47 | gerben | does anyone know how to change the look of the kde-menu ? |
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19:12.50 | phantom_ | hi all |
19:13.41 | phantom_ | does anyone know if it's posible, via javascript, to open a conection to a local socket? |
19:14.12 | phantom_ | I mean, in konqueror, open a conection to a socket via JS |
19:15.07 | sarah03 | phantom_: Uh, it's possible to make arbitrary HTTP requests via JavaScript, to the originating host of the page in question. |
19:15.12 | PieD | tiny question about KHTML and Javascript : |
19:15.22 | sarah03 | But beyond that, I don't believe so. |
19:15.42 | PieD | is there a Javascript reference for KHTML (so only the fonctions included in KHTML + objects references off course) |
19:15.57 | PieD | or a tool like venkman, allowing objects exploration for instance ? |
19:16.04 | PieD | all that using JS... |
19:16.25 | PieD | I'm not really interested about the c++ interface of KHTML :) |
19:16.32 | PieD | (I'll be later, but not yet) |
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19:19.37 | slayerbob | can anyone connect to msn with kopete at the moment ? |
19:19.55 | Flendor | I cannot connect to msn at all, even with Messenger itself |
19:20.00 | juliusk | It seems that msn is not working :( |
19:20.08 | slayerbob | ah that might explain it :P |
19:20.12 | slayerbob | hiya Flendor :P |
19:20.31 | PieD | (jabber works) |
19:20.32 | juliusk | they were doing some security tests today I think, but that was supossed to affect msn messenger 7 users only |
19:20.47 | Flendor | hey slayer ( :P ) |
19:21.10 | PieD | (on jabber, you get such "security tests" affecting clients only on test servers) |
19:22.07 | juliusk | what's the "best" (is there is any) jabber client? I might give it a try :P |
19:22.29 | PieD | Kopete |
19:22.32 | PieD | or Psi |
19:22.38 | PieD | (or gabber ?) |
19:22.59 | slayerbob | kopete is the best something ? :| |
19:23.15 | juliusk | I don't like kopete at all :P |
19:23.17 | PieD | Kopete is great |
19:23.21 | PieD | I really like it |
19:23.33 | Flendor | I like Kopete too |
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19:24.39 | SchopfeR | Kopete 0.10 doesn't stop to crash for me |
19:24.43 | juliusk | anybody here running (k)ubuntu? |
19:24.47 | PieD | did you report that ? |
19:24.51 | SchopfeR | stop to crash ? / stop crashing ? |
19:24.51 | PieD | juliusk: yes, I'm |
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19:25.24 | juliusk | PieD, in konqueror, when you browse a folder that contains any .svgz file, can you see the thumbnail? |
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19:25.47 | PieD | could you send me such a file or give me a link to download one ? :p |
19:26.08 | juliusk | there are many in /usr/share/icons |
19:26.14 | juliusk | then look for the scalable folder of any theme :P |
19:26.45 | ponto | Is it possible to follow Links in PDFs via kpdf? |
19:28.23 | PieD | juliusk: yes, I've the thumbnails |
19:28.24 | PieD | (nice :) |
19:28.54 | SchopfeR | http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=22469 |
19:30.02 | SchopfeR | mmm.. a friend just voted Bad to annoy me... |
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19:30.08 | juliusk | I can't see any thumbnail when I'm not using a root konqueror :( |
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19:32.47 | peratu | Hi. |
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19:34.02 | funky | hi |
19:34.15 | peratu | Hi funky. |
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19:36.07 | funky | hey peratu |
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19:40.17 | funky | is there a way to open an url on a second tab in an open konqueror without using dcop ? some parameter ? |
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19:41.57 | gnumdk | for debian users: cat /etc/rcS.d/S48console-screen.sh , i've got a bug, file isn't printed correctly with konsole but it works with xterm |
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19:48.38 | PhilRod | funky: don't think so - but why not use dcop? |
19:50.50 | funky | PhilRod: no reason, just curiosity, Im already using dcop to perform it |
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19:52.32 | PhilRod | ok |
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20:02.26 | Tilos | What theme/background is this guy using? http://www.gentoo-portage.com/Image/7 |
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20:02.59 | mad_moses | where i can download kde 3.4 for mandrake 10.1 |
20:02.59 | mad_moses | ? |
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20:03.35 | apokryphos | mad_moses: if you add an extra source, you can urpmi for it |
20:03.56 | mad_moses | where i can find a urpmi source for kde? |
20:05.01 | PhilRod | Tilos: the widget style looks like plastik, the icon style looks familiar, so it's either in kdeartwork or a popular one on kde-look.org |
20:05.18 | PhilRod | as for the bg, I guess it's something that comes with gentoo, since it's got a gentoo build no. on it |
20:05.59 | Tilos | But it looks sort of darker than Plastik and the window buttons (minimize, maximize, etc.) stand out less from the bar. |
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20:06.10 | apokryphos | mad_moses: google for Thac's |
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20:09.11 | SteamedPenguin | Tilos: PhilRod said widget style, that's not the Win Decoration |
20:09.41 | Tilos | Ah, so what's the window decoration? :P |
20:10.02 | PhilRod | actually, I thought the windeco was plastik too, but with a different colour scheme :-) |
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20:12.05 | SteamedPenguin | PhilRod: nah, it ain't, if you look at the buttons they aren't distinct in the PLastik style |
20:12.12 | PhilRod | ok |
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20:13.28 | lethal_dose | hello, i've changed all fonts in kcontrol and in konqueror's settings, but filename's fonts arent affected... how can i change them? |
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20:14.52 | Tilos | found the wallpaper. :P |
20:15.22 | kottlett | lethal_dose: you must have missed some... usually thy are affected by the font-settings... perhaps you need to restart konqui? |
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20:16.54 | Tronic | Where can I adjust the menu open delay? |
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20:16.56 | mad_moses | apokryphos, here are the packetes http://mirror.aca.oakland.edu/rpm.nyvalls.se/10.1/RPMS/kde-3.4.0/ but how i can download it all and install? |
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20:18.18 | apokryphos | mad_moses: Google for urpmi faq. :) |
20:18.29 | Tronic | Is it buried somewhere in kcontrol, perhaps in some config file, or do I need to edit the fine source? |
20:18.29 | lethal_dose | kottlett, i restarted konqueror and menu fonts, toolbar fonts were affected.. just not filenames ... |
20:18.58 | octan | err.. how do i remap my keybord buttons.. i keep on pressing "print screen" and a screenshot app starts.. i dont want that to happen :/ |
20:19.06 | kottlett | lethal_dose: strange... worked for me :-/ |
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20:20.48 | aseigo | octan: in the control center there are panels for Keyboard Shortcuts (in the Regional and Accessibility grouping) and you can set up application shortcuts in KHotKeys as well |
20:20.53 | lethal_dose | kottlett, did you change in kcontrol or in konquerors settings? |
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20:22.09 | kottlett | lethal_dose: kcontrol only |
20:22.53 | chalex20 | Hi all! Does anyone know how I may force KDE NOT to run on secondary screen in dual-head non-xinerama configuration? |
20:24.24 | inomine | chalex20: You mean using a merged framebuffer? |
20:24.37 | lethal_dose | kottlett, problem solved! i was changing them in kcontrol --> Appearance --> fonts, now i tried kcontrol --> KDE Components --> Font |
20:24.41 | lethal_dose | and it worked :) |
20:25.30 | kottlett | strange... I don't have a font entry in kde-componetnts :P |
20:26.06 | chalex20 | inomine: No, I've got a dual-head card, and I defined each head as a separate screen within the same display, :0.0 and :0.1. Now, KDE runs a session a screen. I want it to run only on :0.0, and leave :0.1 unoccupied |
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20:26.46 | simmerz | is there any way to make openoffice use qt themes? |
20:27.24 | lethal_dose | kottlett, kde components -> filemanager -> font |
20:27.34 | inomine | chalex20: Good question, I don't really know. Purely out of interest what do you need it for? |
20:28.14 | kottlett | lethal_dose: ah... didn't know that one. but somehow the right font is selected there |
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20:28.36 | chalex20 | The second screen is a TV, the only thing I would like to do with it is to run films full screen. I don't need any KDE session there. |
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20:32.00 | [2df] | up 41 a wow |
20:32.07 | inomine | chalex20: The simple solution is to just use Xinerama. You can run a video player fullscreen on a single screen without any problems, I've done it in the past. Or are you looking for a proper solution? |
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20:34.00 | chalex20 | inomine: It runs well without Xinerama, too. But why should I waste resources running unneeded KDE session? |
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20:35.38 | inomine | chalex20: Why does it waste more resources? If you use Xinerama then there is only one copy of KDE running, if what you do what you are proposing to do it wastes even more resources as it is running two seperate window managers. |
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20:37.00 | chalex20 | Yes. So I want neither this nor that. No window manager, no KDE session, nothing. Just pure X. |
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20:40.18 | hasimir44 | anybody familiar w/ guarddog? |
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20:43.56 | hasimir44 | guarddog the firewall? |
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20:46.29 | bobbyz | Ever since I upgraded to kde 3.4, my home directory sidebar in konqueror shows archive files as folders. Is there any way to disable this? I can't seem to find the configuration option if there is one available |
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20:48.46 | ImNotMark | anyone here use kuake? |
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21:09.03 | Iain | anyone fancy helping a desperate noob with kppp? |
21:09.04 | Iain | :) |
21:09.48 | Iain | if this is not the best place to go |
21:09.53 | Iain | please point me somewhere else |
21:09.54 | Iain | :) |
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21:12.14 | slayerbob | actually this is probably the best place for help with kde components like kppp :) |
21:12.30 | Iain | well please help me |
21:12.30 | slayerbob | unfortunately I do not have a modem so cannot help :P |
21:12.31 | Iain | !!! |
21:12.34 | Iain | ah |
21:12.38 | Iain | :( |
21:12.40 | Iain | you tease |
21:12.43 | Iain | ;) |
21:12.52 | slayerbob | you could try using wvdial - that is what I have used in the past :P |
21:12.57 | Iain | wvdial |
21:12.58 | Iain | hmm |
21:13.02 | Iain | ok I'll have a go with it |
21:13.20 | Iain | I have tried everything else |
21:13.27 | Iain | modem seems OK |
21:13.32 | Iain | just can't connect to anything |
21:13.41 | Iain | makes no difference if the modem is plugged in or not |
21:13.44 | Iain | same message |
21:13.51 | Iain | ERROR |
21:13.56 | Iain | not very helpful |
21:13.57 | Iain | :( |
21:14.03 | slayerbob | what happens if you try to talk to the modem directly with something like minicom ? |
21:14.07 | Iain | it works |
21:14.12 | Iain | I can query it with KPPP |
21:14.15 | Iain | and with minicom |
21:14.24 | slayerbob | ok cool so the modem itself is working then :P |
21:14.31 | Iain | yes at least that's true |
21:14.47 | Iain | I'll try wvdial |
21:14.57 | Iain | but I hope someone else comes along... |
21:15.00 | slayerbob | well as i recall to make kppp work you just need to set up the account and the modem |
21:15.05 | slayerbob | and then it should all just go |
21:15.13 | Iain | that's what I've done... |
21:15.18 | Iain | weird |
21:15.24 | slayerbob | if i had my other notebook here i could just look on that since i had kppp set up but sadly the screen on it is dead atm :( |
21:15.41 | slayerbob | do you get any helpful error messages in the logs ? |
21:15.42 | Iain | I even took it to my mum's house, as I thought it might be something |
21:15.50 | Iain | to do with the phone sockets |
21:15.56 | Iain | but I still got the same message |
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21:16.05 | Iain | I'll try to find them |
21:16.22 | Iain | must be in the kppp directory I suppose |
21:16.27 | slayerbob | have you tried unticking the "wait for dial tone before dialing" box ? |
21:16.28 | Iain | thanks for the tips |
21:16.31 | Iain | I'll try them now |
21:16.33 | Iain | yes I have |
21:16.42 | Iain | I've tried all the options |
21:16.51 | slayerbob | and you've turned the speed down to 115200 ? |
21:16.56 | Iain | ALL the options |
21:16.56 | Iain | yes |
21:17.15 | slayerbob | is it using the correct modem device ? |
21:17.28 | slayerbob | sometimes /dev/modem does not point to the modem itself... |
21:17.31 | Iain | yes, I have only got one serial connection |
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21:17.35 | slayerbob | particularly if you have one of those winmodems |
21:17.36 | Iain | and I ran the modem detector |
21:17.41 | slayerbob | ah ok |
21:17.44 | Iain | I specially bought a hardware modem |
21:17.46 | Iain | :( |
21:17.56 | slayerbob | it sounds like you have done everything right :P |
21:18.04 | Iain | hmm |
21:18.13 | slayerbob | do you have pppd installed ? |
21:18.16 | Iain | well I'll try the logs and wvdial |
21:18.22 | Iain | not sure |
21:18.36 | slayerbob | you need pppd in order for dialup internet to work |
21:18.36 | Iain | I tried that with VectorLinux, but I could not get it to work |
21:18.44 | Iain | nor the dialer program on vectorlinux |
21:18.51 | slayerbob | well... unless you have an old old internet connection using slip or something :P |
21:18.53 | slayerbob | hmmmm |
21:19.02 | Iain | surely it's installed by default? |
21:19.05 | Iain | I'm using Knoppix |
21:19.17 | slayerbob | also in order for pppd to work you need some stuff turned on in the kernel, so if you compiled your own kernel you will need to check that it is on |
21:19.26 | slayerbob | oh in knoppix it should all be there already :P |
21:19.29 | Iain | no I just used the knoppix defaults |
21:19.31 | Iain | :( |
21:19.44 | Iain | actually, I am pretty impressed with Knoppix otherwise |
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21:20.04 | Iain | thanks for your time |
21:20.10 | slayerbob | np and good luck |
21:20.15 | Iain | I'll try wvdial and look at the logs |
21:20.19 | Iain | otherwise, I'll just give up |
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21:20.26 | Iain | and try Win98 one last time |
21:20.32 | Iain | ug! |
21:20.56 | Iain | cya later |
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21:25.08 | Patrick` | r/wc |
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21:28.24 | chimaera | which componets in 3.4 need libfam? |
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21:34.25 | illogic-al | chimaera: none _need_ libfam it's optional |
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21:35.03 | chimaera | illissius_: ok, but which can use it and for what? |
21:35.13 | agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
21:35.14 | agiofws | panigrc could not open default font 'fixed' |
21:35.32 | agiofws | can someone help me get my x-server back up again please |
21:35.37 | illogic-al | fam is used, to the best of my knowledge to notify "stuff" when the contents of directories has changed |
21:35.50 | lunitik | agiofws: in #kde? ot... |
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21:36.11 | lunitik | illogic-al: 'File Alteration Monitor'... |
21:36.23 | agiofws | lunitik, witch channel...? |
21:36.26 | agiofws | xfree? |
21:36.32 | agiofws | which* |
21:36.37 | illogic-al | lunitik: and you're telling me this why? |
21:36.56 | lunitik | agiofws: what distro? |
21:37.01 | agiofws | can someone help me get my x-server back up again please i get this error |
21:37.05 | agiofws | wait |
21:37.35 | lunitik | illogic-al: its self explainatory... no need to try and explain it :/ |
21:37.44 | lunitik | (fam, not what I said) |
21:37.56 | agiofws | its mandrake 10 |
21:38.07 | agiofws | kde 3.3.. |
21:38.20 | agiofws | i canot get into x so i canot get into kde |
21:38.20 | lunitik | agiofws: #mandrake ... or wherever they specify for support... |
21:38.34 | lunitik | agiofws: other than sitting on top of X... KDE has nothing to do with it. |
21:38.35 | agiofws | its a x-server thing/// |
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21:38.50 | agiofws | yes its x that want to find font -x |
21:38.51 | lunitik | agiofws: its not KDE's fault though :/ |
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21:39.11 | agiofws | lunitik, but i was playing with the fonts in KDE control center!! |
21:39.16 | illogic-al | lunitik: so your comment was explaining the self explanatory. how novel. |
21:39.30 | nordle | Has the kontact splash screen been removed / disabled in kde 3.4? |
21:39.30 | agiofws | and x-server now canopt load |
21:39.37 | illogic-al | agiofws: you deleted fonts? |
21:39.55 | agiofws | yes he did... |
21:40.02 | illogic-al | 'he' ? |
21:40.10 | agiofws | yes he |
21:40.19 | agiofws | its a thord person i'm asking for |
21:40.23 | agiofws | third* |
21:40.29 | illogic-al | " but i was playing with the fonts in KDE control center!!" |
21:40.52 | agiofws | illogic-al, yes i know |
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21:41.17 | illogic-al | so were you playing with fonts, or was he playing with fonts |
21:41.27 | lunitik | agiofws: #linux or #linux-help |
21:41.47 | lunitik | _not_ here |
21:42.14 | illogic-al | agiofws: ignore lunitik. answer my question |
21:42.45 | agiofws | he was.... i'm asking for another person.. |
21:43.10 | illogic-al | is "he" able to use urpmi? |
21:43.30 | illogic-al | he can probably fix the fonts he uninstalled by reinstalling the package |
21:43.45 | agiofws | probably form console.. |
21:43.59 | agiofws | yeah what should he isseu.. |
21:44.33 | illogic-al | open rpmdrake-remove, search for install font packages |
21:45.02 | illogic-al | delete the standard X fonts packages that are installed, note their names, reinstall the font packages |
21:45.02 | agiofws | i'm not familiar with rmp packet manager.... |
21:45.10 | agiofws | could you gine the exact commands |
21:45.14 | agiofws | give* |
21:45.30 | illogic-al | no. because i don't know what version of mdk he's using |
21:45.38 | agiofws | 10 |
21:46.14 | illogic-al | k, has he opened rpmdrake-remove yet? |
21:46.45 | agiofws | he does not have gui at this moment ...x-server is down.. |
21:46.56 | illogic-al | ah. right. |
21:47.06 | agiofws | itsalla got o go from console. i think |
21:47.12 | illogic-al | ok then, run this command as root |
21:47.21 | illogic-al | urpmq xorg |
21:47.30 | agiofws | he has xfree |
21:47.35 | agiofws | server |
21:47.42 | illogic-al | urpmq xfree then |
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21:48.15 | agiofws | that unistalls.. |
21:48.23 | agiofws | then...? |
21:48.33 | agiofws | but he wants fonts not the server |
21:48.42 | panigrc | hi |
21:49.01 | panigrc | i am the one who has that font problem |
21:49.06 | agiofws | lol.. |
21:49.40 | agiofws | panigrc, type urpmq xfree |
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21:49.55 | illogic-al | panigrc: groovy. urpmq XFree86 |
21:50.11 | illogic-al | bah |
21:50.33 | illogic-al | urpme XFree86-100dpi-fonts |
21:50.37 | panigrc | what does this command do |
21:50.39 | illogic-al | stupid copy n paste |
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21:50.58 | illogic-al | panigrc: that will remove the old 100dpi fonts if they are installed |
21:51.25 | illogic-al | urpmi XFree86-100dpi-fonts will then install them |
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21:51.51 | darix | i have some weird behavior in konqueror. |
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21:52.25 | agiofws | illogic-al, what should he have in font FontPath in /etc/X11/XF86Config ? |
21:53.05 | illogic-al | he doesn't need to mess with that file. |
21:53.20 | panigrc | the real config is /etc/X11/XF84Config-4 |
21:53.25 | illogic-al | assuming that he hasn't already |
21:53.29 | illogic-al | darix: like? |
21:53.46 | agiofws | panigrc, in etc/X11/XF86Config-4 you should have this line Section "Files"\n FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" |
21:53.49 | darix | illogic-al: typing and got distracted. gimme 1-2mins |
21:54.03 | panigrc | yes this is true |
21:54.17 | panigrc | and also paths for hellenic fonts |
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21:55.03 | panigrc | will i need the dvd ? |
21:55.05 | agiofws | so do what illogic-al said ... |
21:55.16 | panigrc | to reinstall the fonts |
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21:55.41 | illogic-al | you'll find out as soon as you try the command i gave you |
21:55.46 | panigrc | ok |
21:55.48 | panigrc | thanx |
21:55.59 | panigrc | im going now to try it out |
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21:56.08 | illogic-al | it's possible that it will attempt to download from the internet |
21:56.15 | darix | illogic-al: i dont run with kwin/kde session. from my .xsession i launch kdeinit |
21:56.28 | panigrc | thanx |
21:56.33 | illogic-al | yay |
21:57.05 | darix | illogic-al: now if i visit a site with http-auth it prompts me for the password. but doesnt offer the stored values from kwallet. |
21:57.21 | darix | after i typed in the correct username and password it prompts me for the kdewallet password |
21:57.40 | darix | (although i not set the tick on "save password") |
22:00.14 | darix | i will just test it on a floating desktop |
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22:01.18 | illogic-al | darix: i'm trying this in XNest |
22:01.25 | darix | ok reproducable. |
22:01.58 | darix | the kwallet comes after successfully login |
22:02.04 | darix | illogic-al: window manager is ion3 |
22:02.25 | illogic-al | i'm trying in fluxbox |
22:02.34 | darix | ok |
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22:04.24 | henrik__ | how long does it usually takes for debian community to provide packages for downloads? I wonder if I should bother compile the whole thing or just wait... |
22:04.45 | darix | henrik__: depends. |
22:05.27 | henrik__ | darix: is it probably within some days, or weeks, months? |
22:05.43 | Skiver | are you waiting for 3.4 ? |
22:05.46 | henrik__ | yes |
22:06.10 | Skiver | preview is available |
22:06.17 | darix | henrik__: more weeks than days. |
22:06.26 | Skiver | #debian-kde |
22:06.35 | henrik__ | Skiver: thanks |
22:08.29 | illogic-al | darix: so you tell konqueror to Never save passwords for a site? |
22:08.59 | darix | illogic-al: it saves the password. i checked with the kwalletmanager |
22:09.07 | darix | but it doesnt offer to use them |
22:09.17 | illogic-al | ok. |
22:10.03 | illogic-al | darix: does your wallet have a password? |
22:10.08 | darix | start konqueror -> go to site with http-auth -> type in the user/password -> tick save -> login successfully |
22:10.11 | darix | yes. |
22:11.47 | illogic-al | darix: worksforme |
22:11.52 | darix | start konqueror -> go to site with http-auth -> no user/password offered -> relogin again -> kwallet login pops up |
22:12.02 | darix | illogic-al: any thing i can do for debugging. |
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22:12.08 | darix | itis 100% reproducable |
22:12.14 | illogic-al | i do get user/password offered |
22:12.21 | illogic-al | are you using 3.4 ? |
22:12.24 | darix | yes. |
22:13.39 | illogic-al | looks like it's something on your end. |
22:14.14 | illogic-al | start konqueror -> go to site with http-auth -> no user/password offered -> pop up asking for kwallet password -> give kwallet password -> user/password filled in |
22:14.19 | illogic-al | that's what i get |
22:14.31 | darix | it asks me for kwallet after the other login oO |
22:14.49 | darix | hm |
22:15.09 | illogic-al | maybe your pop up asking for kwallet password is below the window and you dont see it? |
22:15.13 | darix | no |
22:15.15 | darix | i checked that |
22:15.34 | darix | illogic-al: in the normal ion config each window is a fullscreen window. i would notice it. |
22:15.37 | illogic-al | which site is this? because I can't reproduce using bugs.kde.org |
22:15.52 | darix | and i double checked on a floating desk |
22:15.53 | darix | moment |
22:15.58 | darix | i will retry with openbox |
22:16.02 | darix | to be 100% sure |
22:16.11 | darix | illogic-al: someprivate site with http-digest auth |
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22:16.56 | illogic-al | try it with bugs.kde.org (do not accept bko cookies) and see if it still happens |
22:17.28 | darix | i have no login there |
22:17.33 | darix | but moment |
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22:18.00 | f00f | hello |
22:18.26 | darix | illogic-al: happens under openbox too |
22:18.38 | darix | and the dialog really comes after the other dialog |
22:18.49 | darix | illogic-al: for your xnest you used some different user? |
22:18.57 | illogic-al | you need to be a bit more specific than that |
22:19.02 | illogic-al | darix: yup |
22:19.22 | darix | illogic-al: precondition: the wallet has stored my login for the site |
22:19.47 | darix | oh i have disable the wallet icon of course |
22:19.54 | illogic-al | naturally. else it has nothing to fill in :-) |
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22:21.02 | darix | i have go to the protected site -> login -> now the wallet login dialog pops up. (doesnt matter if i tick save password or not.) |
22:21.10 | darix | i will try from a kde session |
22:23.26 | darix | ok |
22:23.38 | darix | i cant get a kde session atm as i lack some packages |
22:25.04 | darix | illogic-al: thanks for your time. i will check from kde session once i got the packages. if it still happens i will come back :) |
22:25.17 | illogic-al | ok |
22:25.43 | illogic-al | dokay |
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22:30.13 | nordle | sorry, but could someone tell me if there is or is not a kontact/pim splash screen with kde 3.4, mine seems to be missing if yes. |
22:30.26 | illogic-al | nordle: nope |
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22:32.28 | nordle | illogic-al: ok thanks, I say a link on google about a splash competition, but thought it was old. I just read on http://akregator.sourceforge.net/ that the news reader has a bug which causes a loss of feeds if you try to delete articles older than X....just a warning... |
22:32.39 | nordle | say a link = saw a link |
22:33.13 | illogic-al | yeah kontact splash kompetition was a while back |
22:33.29 | illogic-al | oh dear. i'm starting to spell words with k now. |
22:33.55 | Cerulean | heh |
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22:34.42 | nordle | illogic-al: Be kool mate, dont worry bout it......drone... |
22:34.55 | straw | illogic-al: kwhat kare kyou ktalking kabout? |
22:34.57 | illogic-al | heh |
22:35.38 | illogic-al | i'm surprised i haven't been rooted or something yet. |
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22:36.00 | bur[n]er | anyone know how to use .svg icons in place of .pngs? |
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22:36.04 | nordle | Why not have a splash screen? It goes completely against the eye-candy tasticness of kde >=3.1 |
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22:38.09 | illogic-al | up from .68 :-) |
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22:41.43 | straw | gaim's been at 1.x for quite a while now |
22:41.54 | illogic-al | hush. |
22:42.37 | randabis | lol |
22:42.52 | randabis | kopete works for me |
22:47.14 | mfx- | does somebody know against what version of Qt was kde 3.4 built? |
22:48.59 | wirevox | As in, in general, what version of QT was used to build 3.4?? |
22:50.37 | mfx- | yes |
22:51.09 | mfx- | maybe with a different version as mine |
22:51.21 | mfx- | i get this annoying bug in kdevelop |
22:51.25 | wirevox | What I ment to ask was, what version was used to test, as opposed to distrospecific, ked 3.4 |
22:51.35 | wirevox | What distro are you using? |
22:51.38 | mfx- | oh |
22:51.40 | mfx- | suse 9.1 |
22:51.42 | mfx- | sorry |
22:51.54 | wirevox | np |
22:52.07 | yannux | bn tlm |
22:52.10 | wirevox | I take it you merely installed SuSE rpms? |
22:52.20 | mfx- | yes |
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22:53.28 | wirevox | Well, there could be problems specific to SuSE's configuration, GCC version, etc. etc. But, what is the nature of this bug? |
22:54.26 | mfx- | checking if UIC has KDE plugins available... no |
22:54.26 | mfx- | i get this error message |
22:54.26 | mfx- | if using kdevelop to develop a kde app |
22:54.26 | mfx- | i've searched google |
22:54.26 | mfx- | and found answers |
22:54.30 | mfx- | but i don't want to recompile my kde |
22:54.33 | mfx- | :( |
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22:55.25 | wirevox | Understandable... but, why aren't you willing to? |
22:55.39 | mfx- | because |
22:55.47 | wirevox | Do you think it'll take too much time? |
22:55.50 | mfx- | it takes 100 years on my p3 450 |
22:55.56 | mfx- | :) |
22:56.00 | wirevox | no doubt! |
22:56.22 | wirevox | hmmmm.... have you searched for other sources of SuSE rpms? |
22:56.43 | mfx- | not yet |
22:56.50 | mfx- | but i'll do that |
22:56.57 | mfx- | thanks for your help! :) |
22:57.15 | wirevox | That's most likely your best bet. By the time you finished compiling, there would be one available any whay. |
22:57.19 | wirevox | You're welcome. |
22:57.24 | wirevox | :) |
22:57.45 | mfx- | :)) |
22:58.51 | wirevox | I actually have had very tollerable compile times on a Celeron 600 with 256MB. So, you're not too far off. |
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23:05.45 | scrooge | :) |
23:07.27 | mfx- | The biggest problem recompiling it is my father, who reboots my pc almost every day to use his windows patience and stuff :)) |
23:07.59 | wirevox | That would kill it. |
23:08.27 | scrooge | yea possibly |
23:08.28 | scrooge | :P |
23:08.54 | mfx- | patience -> solitaire |
23:09.11 | mfx- | my english sucks sorry |
23:09.12 | scrooge | tell gim to play kpat! |
23:09.23 | mfx- | he doesn't like it |
23:09.26 | scrooge | :/ |
23:09.27 | scrooge | heh |
23:09.33 | scrooge | xp's solitaire pwnz |
23:09.35 | wirevox | I glossed over that and read it as "partition" So, it made sense to me. |
23:09.41 | scrooge | lmao |
23:10.25 | mfx- | xp that is too modern for him |
23:10.27 | mfx- | win98 |
23:10.29 | mfx- | :) |
23:10.37 | scrooge | lol |
23:10.40 | scrooge | i see |
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23:12.52 | scrooge | they want gnome? |
23:12.57 | scrooge | *shudder* |
23:12.58 | wirevox | pysol is actually a very nice card game |
23:13.08 | wirevox | Not, KDE, but very nice. |
23:13.10 | sarah03 | scrooge: Nah, something else. I'm putting together a CMS for someone. |
23:13.22 | scrooge | sarah03, ahh cool. php? |
23:13.38 | sarah03 | *nod* |
23:13.51 | scrooge | :) |
23:14.09 | Tronic | How can I modify the menu open delay? Is it buried somewhere in kcontrol, perhaps in some config file, or do I need to edit the fine source? |
23:14.09 | sarah03 | The idiotic request comes into play with a "We want the actual content management feature replicated 3 times with minor tweaks to the text on a few bits of it." |
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23:14.53 | sarah03 | Instead of using the content management feature the way it was intended to be used. |
23:15.26 | scrooge | :| ) <------jaw dropped |
23:15.39 | scrooge | thats kinda o.0 |
23:15.59 | scrooge | wait or is it :( | <----jaw dropped? |
23:16.06 | scrooge | guess the second one looks better |
23:16.08 | sarah03 | The issue for me isn't the "Copy this code to make it do that because the backend is similar but not the same", but "Copy this code because we want a few words to be changed". |
23:16.31 | scrooge | lol...these people are like computer illeterate? |
23:16.58 | sarah03 | The guy who's getting it wanted "purty" before he cared about functionality. |
23:17.23 | scrooge | eh heh |
23:17.26 | sarah03 | It didn't *look* good the first time he looked at it, therefore he didn't want it. |
23:17.35 | scrooge | lmao....wow |
23:17.39 | sarah03 | Regardless of the fact that it's got a solid backend. |
23:17.46 | sarah03 | That puts his current system to shame. |
23:17.52 | scrooge | haha |
23:18.02 | scrooge | of course people dont care wat goes on behind the scenes |
23:18.03 | scrooge | :/ |
23:18.33 | sarah03 | The backend is 10k lines of PHP. |
23:18.59 | sarah03 | The vast majority of which was written specifically for this project. |
23:19.03 | scrooge | wow |
23:19.12 | scrooge | and he's too hooked on perty shit to notice |
23:19.42 | sarah03 | It didn't have nice icons, or nice colors, or much of anything on the admin side. Not that such things weren't easy to do. |
23:20.04 | sarah03 | Well, somewhat, anyway. Because even still, he wasn't happy with the interface. |
23:20.12 | scrooge | pfft |
23:20.17 | scrooge | throw in some everaldo icons |
23:21.15 | sarah03 | Heh. |
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23:21.55 | sili | hi |
23:21.58 | sili | anyone home |
23:22.19 | wirevox | sure |
23:22.28 | scrooge | im home |
23:22.29 | scrooge | not for long |
23:22.32 | scrooge | heading owt |
23:22.34 | scrooge | bbl ^_^ |
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23:23.29 | sili | i'd like to write some stuff for kde that that allows me to do some file and data manipulation via the right click menu -- where do i start? |
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23:30.41 | wirevox | sili -- I might have a resource for you... one sec... |
23:31.44 | MrGrim | You have 5 Moderator Points! Use 'em or lose 'em! |
23:31.45 | MrGrim | mwahahaha |
23:31.53 | MrGrim | time to go troll huntin |
23:34.39 | wirevox | Sili: http://phptr.com/content/images/0131240722/downloads/blanchette_book.pdf |
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23:35.38 | wirevox | sili: it's a pdf book, of about 700+ pages, at about 40MB in size. But, it should be an excellent place to start. |
23:35.52 | sili | thanks |
23:35.58 | ncterval | My gaim conversation window won't go below others unless I minimize it. I tried making a window specific setting to force it not to be sticky, but it didn't work. When I right click the title bar, the always on top option isn't checked. How do I fix this? |
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23:36.29 | MrGrim | always on top and sticky are not the same thing |
23:36.35 | MrGrim | sticky means it shows up on all your desktops |
23:36.43 | MrGrim | it doesn't have an effect on sorting order |
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23:36.57 | ncterval | Oh, well I meant always on top./ |
23:37.12 | ncterval | That's what I set in the specific behavior dialogue. |
23:37.40 | MrGrim | gaim is probably fighting your settings.. have you checked games settings? |
23:37.41 | MrGrim | erm |
23:37.42 | MrGrim | gaims |
23:38.38 | mfx|zZz | good night |
23:38.43 | apokryphos | Does Linus use KDE? |
23:39.07 | MrGrim | I doubt anyone here knows :P |
23:39.13 | apokryphos | Google says yes |
23:39.15 | Blissex | apokryphos: I doubt very much he would be drawn on that issue... |
23:39.23 | wirevox | <PROTECTED> |
23:39.44 | Blissex | apokryphos: the only ''official'' statement is that he uses a dual-CPU max G5. |
23:39.47 | wirevox | I've heard that he does |
23:40.06 | wirevox | Rather, read that he does |
23:40.18 | apokryphos | Oh, right. Google results for "Linus uses KDE": 30; for GNOME: 0. :| |
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23:41.02 | gregday | canllaith: you around? |
23:41.40 | ncterval | MrGrim: Good thought, but I don't see the option in Gaim's settings. I've also determined that all gaim windows do this, not just conversations. This behaviour began when I installed KDE 3.4, if that helps. |
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23:42.09 | MrGrim | ncterval: have you tried deleting your window specific setting? :P |
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23:42.55 | MrGrim | ncterval: I'd try moving your .kde directory elsewhere and see if that changes the behavior, then move it back and try to isolate the setting if it does |
23:43.03 | MrGrim | if it doesn't, then it must be a gaim option |
23:43.37 | MrGrim | and by moving .kde I mean log out of X, move it, and start X back up |
23:44.06 | ncterval | Alright, I'll try that when I get back home, thanks for the advice :) |
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23:58.51 | Roey | hi |
23:58.54 | Roey | "I can't enable cookies, because the cookie daemon could not be started." |
23:59.00 | Roey | why the heck does this happen? |
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23:59.23 | PhilRod | apokryphos: there are some bug reports on bugs.kde.org with reporter named as Linus Torvalds, I think |
23:59.36 | apokryphos | hah |