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| 00:02.22 | hackeron | in kdevelop, when starting a qt python app, it tries to import documentdetails -- where can I get this module? |
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| 00:24.44 | dstambou | mmm I need to find some new window decorations, plastik is too clunky for my liking |
| 00:24.58 | gregday | dstambou: check out Lipstik @ kdelook.org |
| 00:25.02 | gregday | it's a modififed plastik |
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| 00:25.19 | Renze | gregday: he said window decoration... not widget style :) |
| 00:25.26 | dstambou | :p |
| 00:25.33 | dstambou | I am pretty happy with the widgets |
| 00:25.33 | gregday | oh |
| 00:25.34 | gregday | heh |
| 00:25.37 | dstambou | no complaints here |
| 00:25.51 | gregday | hm, i think lipstik windeco is kinda fat too |
| 00:25.55 | dstambou | heh |
| 00:26.00 | gregday | the buttons are nice though |
| 00:26.17 | dstambou | I tried no border, but it looks odd |
| 00:26.21 | dstambou | I just want a very lean one |
| 00:26.22 | Renze | since when has there been a lipstik windec? |
| 00:26.30 | gregday | lsjlkdfjsfs |
| 00:26.33 | gregday | plastik |
| 00:26.36 | dstambou | heh |
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| 00:28.15 | Vivaldi | hey |
| 00:28.23 | Vivaldi | i have to quote a guy |
| 00:28.37 | Vivaldi | NiteByte damn `passwd` program. I tried to change my password to 'penis' but it said it was too short! |
| 00:28.55 | Theory | bash.org |
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| 00:35.22 | DirkGently | nanofa_: do you have /etc/opt/kde3/share/config/kdm/kdmrc ? |
| 00:36.42 | no0b | nanofa_: this help? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=41&threadid=162994 |
| 00:39.27 | DirkGently | [Xdmcp] |
| 00:39.27 | DirkGently | Enable=false |
| 00:39.40 | DirkGently | with suse, you should just need to change Enable to true |
| 00:39.53 | nanofa_ | DirkGently: I have that file of course. I have changed it in the XDMCP server but now I am with the laptop and I would like to access the Enab |
| 00:40.02 | nanofa_ | but what I would like to know is to configure the client |
| 00:40.18 | nanofa_ | the laptop which wants to access the sXDMCP server |
| 00:41.08 | DirkGently | you have to configure the server to export to your client |
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| 00:41.29 | nanofa_ | what I would like is to choose in the laptop kdm local or remote access |
| 00:42.08 | nanofa_ | in Gnome (sorry I have been using it for years) it was quite easy. in GDM you choose remote login and thats all. But in kdm I do not have that option :-( |
| 00:43.08 | nanofa_ | the XDMCP server works fine if I access from Xwin32 or Reflection but I do not know how to make kdm ask me If I want to log to my laptop or to another XDMCP server on the network :-( |
| 00:44.35 | DirkGently | maybe because xdmcp is insecure |
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| 00:46.00 | swim | hellow |
| 00:46.48 | Renze | nanofa_: I don't know about your kdm, but I just click on Menu, then select Remote Login |
| 00:48.05 | nanofa_ | Renze: where in kdm 3.3 is menu -> remote login? (that option is what gdm has) if not where can I enable it ? thats all the question :-( |
| 00:48.29 | Renze | nanofa_: you don't have a Menu button at the bottom of your kdm window? |
| 00:49.15 | nanofa_ | yes and it displays Safe, personal, fwvm, windowmaker but not remote login |
| 00:49.24 | nanofa_ | SUSE 9.2 kde 3.3 :-( |
| 00:49.35 | Renze | nanofa_: and have you enabled xdmcp in the config file on the laptop? |
| 00:50.06 | nanofa_ | Renze: but why? I think that I have to enable xdmcp on the server side isnt it? maybe thats the reason |
| 00:50.12 | nanofa_ | lets see on the server side |
| 00:50.20 | nanofa_ | which has XDMCP enabled |
| 00:50.29 | Renze | nanofa_: as far as I know, it has to be enabled at both ends |
| 00:50.54 | nanofa_ | Renze: the XDMCP enabled machine shows me |
| 00:51.17 | nanofa_ | Standar, personalized, KDE, Wmaker, admin, failsafe |
| 00:51.22 | nanofa_ | but nothing about remote |
| 00:51.24 | nanofa_ | :-( |
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| 00:51.52 | Renze | nanofa_: SuSE alters KDE significantly, so this might be a SuSE change |
| 00:52.07 | nanofa_ | I think so and I do not find nothing in google |
| 00:52.37 | nanofa_ | Renze: what options displays your menu button? |
| 00:53.52 | Renze | nanofa_: I have a Session Type submenu which lists my sessions... under that I have Remote Login, then Console Login, and Shutdown |
| 00:54.23 | nanofa_ | thnx |
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| 00:55.31 | grey | How can I get kdm to start without a local X display? I've got gdm running with gdm --no-console, is there a similar option for kdm? |
| 01:05.06 | grey | Can anyone help me out with this? |
| 01:10.47 | DirkGently | grey: in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers comment out the line that says :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 vt07 |
| 01:10.57 | DirkGently | (or similar) |
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| 01:11.32 | DirkGently | that works for xdm and gdm too |
| 01:11.40 | jepel_tailweaver | hello all; in what package is kpilot? |
| 01:12.08 | DirkGently | jepel_tailweaver: kdepim |
| 01:13.10 | Renze | jepel_tailweaver: if you have gentoo, be sure to have the appropriate use flags set or it won't be built |
| 01:13.21 | jepel_tailweaver | Renze: oh damn. What flag do I need? |
| 01:13.37 | Renze | no idea... send me a palm pilot and I'll tell you :) |
| 01:13.59 | jepel_tailweaver | Renze: then how did you know that you need certain use flags set to build kpilot? |
| 01:14.18 | Renze | jepel_tailweaver: because I have kdepim installed, but not kpilot :) |
| 01:14.22 | jepel_tailweaver | ah |
| 01:14.29 | aseigo | you probably need pilotlink |
| 01:15.04 | Renze | I can't find anything appropriate in ufed |
| 01:17.02 | Renze | jepel_tailweaver: pda, perhaps? |
| 01:17.06 | jepel_tailweaver | maybe |
| 01:17.54 | Renze | pda is mentioned in the ebuild |
| 01:18.08 | Renze | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:19.51 | canllaith | hullo :D |
| 01:19.54 | jepel_tailweaver | wb canllaith |
| 01:20.44 | canllaith | all the messy legalities .... |
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| 01:38.55 | jepel_tailweaver | can anyone help me remove a duplicate IPP printer in the KDE print thingy? |
| 01:39.55 | jepel_tailweaver | never mind, it removed itself |
| 01:40.07 | jepel_tailweaver | network printing is a finicky thing |
| 01:41.57 | jepel_tailweaver | the sad thing is that I'm printing into a VMware virtual machine running Fedora |
| 01:42.32 | jepel_tailweaver | and it's a pain to configure because Fedora is **dog**slow** |
| 01:43.03 | jepel_tailweaver | is remote LPD any less finicky than remote CUPS? |
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| 01:43.54 | jepel_tailweaver | w00t, another Konversation user |
| 01:44.27 | nanofa | Hi again, what I need to know is how to change the menu of kdm :-) if I know where that meno takes the entries I would find whay this SUSE distro doesnt want to show remote login as a menu option :-( could yoy help me? KDE 3.3 |
| 01:49.19 | jepel_tailweaver | wow |
| 01:49.24 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: ever used remote LPD? |
| 01:49.41 | canllaith | no heh |
| 01:49.53 | jepel_tailweaver | it works! |
| 01:49.55 | canllaith | I ssh into the print server and cat what I want to lpr |
| 01:49.58 | jepel_tailweaver | but it is DOG SLOW |
| 01:50.08 | jepel_tailweaver | I mean, I click the button in KDE to print a test page |
| 01:50.19 | jepel_tailweaver | and it's like 10-15 seconds before the printer even starts making noise |
| 01:50.40 | jepel_tailweaver | now I just need a way to print a Lexmark alignment page |
| 01:50.57 | canllaith | lol yup |
| 01:51.13 | canllaith | I have just given up on the whole network printing thing. I print once a month if that, it's not enough for me to care about fixing it |
| 01:51.32 | jepel_tailweaver | Unfortunately, I have school assignments, so I always have to be able to print |
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| 01:51.39 | Varanger | hello |
| 01:51.54 | Varanger | I am try to use root user under kdm |
| 01:52.02 | canllaith | well when my desktop was the print server I could set the printer up fine =p |
| 01:52.07 | Varanger | but I get that I can-t log into root with kdm! |
| 01:52.10 | canllaith | using the KDE tools remote printing was good |
| 01:52.31 | canllaith | then Andrew decided he wanted the laserjet on HIS computer and that he didn't need me to set it up because he knew what he was doing |
| 01:53.01 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 01:53.07 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: you know what's cool? being able to use the KDE print system from any app with the special command that I am about to look up |
| 01:54.01 | canllaith | heh Andrew is singing while he does the dishes. Ouch. |
| 01:54.06 | aseigo | what's he singing? |
| 01:54.28 | canllaith | sounds gershwinish |
| 01:54.29 | Varanger | please, I really need help |
| 01:54.37 | canllaith | but it's hard to tell when he's so off key ;) |
| 01:54.59 | canllaith | Varanger, perhaps you should look at Kcontrol -> System Administration -> Login Manager |
| 01:55.16 | Varanger | canllaith: I did!!! |
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| 01:56.30 | Varanger | canllaith: then, I entered to Administration mode |
| 01:57.00 | Varanger | but I cant enable it |
| 01:57.08 | Varanger | i cant find an option for it |
| 01:57.59 | Alethes | aseigo_h: you around? |
| 01:59.46 | jepel_tailweaver | what's the magic command that lets you use the KDE print system with any program? |
| 01:59.58 | Renze | jepel_tailweaver: kprinter? |
| 02:00.20 | Alethes | I prefer abracadrabra |
| 02:00.35 | jepel_tailweaver | ok |
| 02:00.38 | jepel_tailweaver | that seems to be it |
| 02:01.03 | jepel_tailweaver | now if I can figure out how to get an alignment page for this $DEITY-forsaken thing... |
| 02:01.07 | jepel_tailweaver | I will be in print heaven |
| 02:06.31 | Alethes | man, kde is slick |
| 02:06.59 | Alethes | I feel like a child that was deprived |
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| 02:08.21 | jepel_tailweaver | Alethes: my first Linux DE was KDE. I'm not a deprived child |
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| 02:08.56 | jepel_tailweaver | hey sarah |
| 02:09.00 | sarah03 | 'ello |
| 02:09.01 | sarah03 | :) |
| 02:09.18 | Alethes | I've been using gnome since the beginning |
| 02:09.34 | Renze | Alethes: foolish mortal :) |
| 02:09.41 | jepel_tailweaver | I used GNOME a few times |
| 02:09.45 | jepel_tailweaver | never really liked it |
| 02:09.54 | Alethes | yeah, no kidding |
| 02:10.01 | jepel_tailweaver | I never had a close attachment to GNOME or KDE until now |
| 02:10.04 | Alethes | I still like the look of gtk better, but I'd rather have it work |
| 02:10.10 | jepel_tailweaver | eww |
| 02:10.16 | jepel_tailweaver | I like the look of KDE much better |
| 02:10.24 | Alethes | and I'll probably be able to theme kde the way I want it |
| 02:10.29 | sarah03 | I never liked the look of GTK. |
| 02:10.35 | Alethes | remember, that's what I know, really |
| 02:11.28 | Alethes | I didn't like it with 1.4 |
| 02:11.38 | Alethes | I like it with 2.x |
| 02:11.48 | Alethes | but I'm ok with qt, too, I just need to get it themed right |
| 02:12.48 | Alethes | brb |
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| 02:20.43 | thiago | Alethes: www.kde-look.org. See if you find a theme that you like more. |
| 02:22.00 | jepel_tailweaver | plastik is cool |
| 02:22.02 | jepel_tailweaver | I'm using it now |
| 02:22.29 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: is it geeky when you're running Linux 3 times on one box, for 3 different reasons? |
| 02:23.00 | canllaith | Sorry but I don't think 'running' anything makes you geeky and I especially don't believe in l33t :) |
| 02:23.19 | jepel_tailweaver | Right now I have 2 instances of Linux running, and a 3rd booting |
| 02:23.23 | jepel_tailweaver | one is my usual gentoo |
| 02:23.31 | jepel_tailweaver | then, in VMware, a Knoppix CD |
| 02:23.41 | jepel_tailweaver | also in VMware, booting, my Fedora Core Print server |
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| 02:24.15 | canllaith | but it still sin't enough! |
| 02:27.32 | canllaith | throw away vmware server and go 'excellent! that's just what I need to replace $customernamehere's crappy exchange server' |
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| 02:28.46 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: A unix!?! With that kind of RAM and disk, you could probably install and simultaneously run every Unix ever made |
| 02:28.58 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: and every major type of Linux distro |
| 02:29.04 | canllaith | jepel_tailweaver, no... that would be adequate for the server I am thinking of |
| 02:29.07 | canllaith | but certainly not overkill. |
| 02:29.20 | canllaith | I mean, I have a terrabyte of storage here on my _home_ network |
| 02:29.33 | canllaith | These guys have network storage that you'd fall over and faint at |
| 02:30.14 | canllaith | 'that kind of ram and disk' is not really all that much |
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| 02:30.20 | jepel_tailweaver | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 02:30.20 | jepel_tailweaver | /dev/hda2 16G 6.0G 9.9G 38% / |
| 02:30.29 | canllaith | especially given how much actual storage space you'd lose to raid |
| 02:30.53 | jepel_tailweaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.53 | jepel_tailweaver | Mem: 620 546 73 0 33 277 |
| 02:31.01 | canllaith | but supporting 30 servers, 50 printers, 250 desktops and 200 notebooks... that would make a damn nice application server |
| 02:31.13 | jepel_tailweaver | I can't even conceive managing all of those computers |
| 02:31.35 | canllaith | as a consultant you deal with many sets of organisations with setups like that |
| 02:31.58 | canllaith | so I have to keep all the information straight in my head about several groups of businesses with that many computers. It's a great challenge. |
| 02:32.00 | illissius | jepel_tailweaver: hm. what version of vmware are you using? |
| 02:32.05 | jepel_tailweaver | illissius: 4.5.2 |
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| 02:32.34 | canllaith | heh I'm boring to watch |
| 02:32.42 | dstambou | :p |
| 02:32.43 | illissius | ok then, question. howtf do I get it to not crash at startup spitting out obscure Gdk errors? |
| 02:32.46 | canllaith | 'this is me ssh'ing into a few servers around the country to set up things' |
| 02:32.58 | canllaith | 'this is me doing KDE stuff (types into a text editor)' |
| 02:32.59 | jepel_tailweaver | illissius: I don't know. It just works for me |
| 02:33.14 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: which do you use more? sliced bread or SSH? |
| 02:33.18 | canllaith | SSH |
| 02:33.50 | canllaith | the only interesting thing is playing with hardware |
| 02:34.10 | jepel_tailweaver | SSH is cool for every use. Securing VNC, remote X, copying files.... |
| 02:34.21 | canllaith | 'So... you're the new trainee?' |
| 02:34.25 | dstambou | how can you not eat bread?? |
| 02:34.26 | dstambou | mmm bread |
| 02:34.36 | dstambou | bread is my staple food |
| 02:34.45 | canllaith | jepel_tailweaver, ssh is awesome there is only one thing you cannot do via ssh |
| 02:34.47 | jepel_tailweaver | dstambou: don't ask. Even I don't know. In fact, I'm not sure that either of my parents know either |
| 02:34.50 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: what's that? |
| 02:35.02 | canllaith | and that is, if your kernel does not work the first time you're a bit stuffed |
| 02:35.29 | illissius | jepel_tailweaver: do you remember what you did when you installed it? anything different from emerge vmware-workstation; /opt/vmware/bin/vmware-config.pl? and how did you solve the default unpermissions for /opt/vmware? etc? |
| 02:35.49 | jepel_tailweaver | illissius: I just did emerge and vmware-config.pl |
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| 02:35.57 | jepel_tailweaver | illissius: and I only installed it a few days ago |
| 02:36.00 | jepel_tailweaver | wb grepper |
| 02:36.12 | grepper | thanks |
| 02:36.22 | grepper | got my 503+ mobo probs solved |
| 02:36.24 | jepel_tailweaver | Reinstalling Linux is so much nicer when you have your whole home dir and all of your settings preserved |
| 02:36.55 | jepel_tailweaver | the perfect problem is that which some random person on IRC knows the answer to, when you can find that person |
| 02:38.26 | illissius | jepel_tailweaver: for me, the default perms on /opt/vmware were such that I couldn't access it with my normal user... doing chmod -R a+rwx /opt/vmware fixes that, but then it gives a lot of Gdk-errors and whatnot when starting, which I'm not sure are unrelated to the permissions problem. |
| 02:39.29 | jepel_tailweaver | illissius: the perms were fine for me when I installed it. I'm no VMware expert |
| 02:39.53 | illissius | hm |
| 02:39.55 | illissius | what kernel? |
| 02:40.05 | illissius | I heard there's some suid issues or something with 2.6.9, which I'm using |
| 02:40.16 | illissius | though setting -s didn't change much either |
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| 02:41.39 | jepel_tailweaver | illissius: I've used everything from 2.6.7 to 2.6.8 to 2.6.9 |
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| 02:47.30 | illissius | frown |
| 02:52.43 | Alethes | I'm having a very frustrating problem trying to get kdeaddons installed |
| 02:53.00 | Alethes | it gets to the point where it's trying to compile libtunepimp.so, but I get a bunch of errors like: |
| 02:53.08 | Alethes | usr/lib/libgcc.a(frame.o)(.data+0x0): undefined reference to `pthread_create' |
| 02:53.13 | Alethes | etc etc etc |
| 02:53.18 | Alethes | I can't figure out what's missing |
| 02:53.34 | Alethes | I'm installing from fbsd ports, so I figured it'd find whatever it is that's wrong |
| 02:53.36 | Renze | Alethes: do you have libpthread? |
| 02:53.45 | Alethes | no idea |
| 02:53.49 | Alethes | how would I know? |
| 02:53.50 | Alethes | :D |
| 02:54.02 | Renze | ls /usr/lib/libpthread.so |
| 02:54.24 | Renze | or locate libpthread |
| 02:54.30 | Alethes | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.41 | Alethes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:55.11 | Renze | Alethes: is pthread.h in a place where gcc can find it? |
| 02:55.18 | Alethes | let me see |
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| 02:55.56 | Alethes | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.05 | Alethes | I noticed I don't have a /usr/lib/libpthread.so, though |
| 02:56.15 | Alethes | and I should if I have a /usr/include/pthread.h, right? |
| 02:56.27 | Renze | Alethes: that could be your problem, but since I'm unfamiliar with *bsd, I can't confirm |
| 02:56.50 | Alethes | btw, #freebsd is pretty useless |
| 02:56.58 | Alethes | it's rare to find somebody that actually has a clue :) |
| 02:56.59 | Renze | as are most distro channels :) |
| 02:58.10 | Alethes | if I can get this resolved, I'll have everything installed from kde |
| 02:58.22 | Alethes | it's keeping me from installing kdemultimedia and kdeaddons |
| 02:58.43 | Alethes | would you know how I should go about installing it? |
| 02:58.50 | Alethes | would it be part of the OS or a package or what? |
| 02:59.04 | Alethes | it's very possible I lost it |
| 02:59.13 | Alethes | I lost a few perl files too the other day because of filesystem corruption |
| 03:00.43 | Renze | Alethes: pthread is part of glibc... does *bsd even use glibc? |
| 03:00.54 | Alethes | hmm |
| 03:01.00 | xomp | http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/c/Santa/grave.jpg |
| 03:01.07 | Alethes | might be part of whatever the C lib is for bsd too |
| 03:01.21 | Renze | Alethes: libc? |
| 03:01.24 | Alethes | yeah |
| 03:01.49 | Alethes | I wanted to say lib5, but that's the old linux one, isn't it? |
| 03:02.02 | Renze | libc5 |
| 03:05.42 | Alethes | googling to see what I need to do |
| 03:06.34 | Alethes | dangit |
| 03:07.00 | Alethes | I wish I could make konq open links in a new tab with a middle click |
| 03:07.36 | Renze | Alethes: you can... just change the setting |
| 03:08.19 | Alethes | *sigh* I never can find the settings :/ |
| 03:08.35 | Alethes | I went through each setting in the beginning |
| 03:08.52 | Renze | Settings -> Configure Konqueror, click on Web Behaviour, in the middle is a frame called Tabbed Browsing |
| 03:09.02 | Renze | top option |
| 03:09.23 | Alethes | yeah, been there |
| 03:09.28 | Alethes | open all new windows as tabs? |
| 03:09.30 | Alethes | going |
| 03:10.03 | Renze | here it's called "Open links in new tab instead of in new window" |
| 03:10.14 | Alethes | oooooooooooooohhhhhhhh |
| 03:10.17 | Alethes | I misread that |
| 03:10.17 | Alethes | :D |
| 03:10.22 | Alethes | man |
| 03:10.28 | Alethes | I've had very little sleep over the last week |
| 03:10.34 | Alethes | it's really effecting my mental health |
| 03:10.36 | Renze | excuses, excuses :) |
| 03:11.08 | Alethes | haha |
| 03:11.20 | Alethes | I just know I've been pretty slow the last few days |
| 03:12.04 | Alethes | http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2003-April/000912.html |
| 03:12.09 | Alethes | I believe I may be closer to a fix :) |
| 03:12.18 | Alethes | google is my friend in time of need |
| 03:12.43 | Renze | careful, they'll short out :) |
| 03:12.46 | Alethes | haha |
| 03:13.02 | canllaith | I can't decide |
| 03:13.15 | canllaith | do I get a transmeta and have 10 hours battery life and like, 950gm weight |
| 03:13.26 | canllaith | but a 10" screen and rather sluggish |
| 03:13.37 | canllaith | or do I get a blazingly fast 12" ibm with perhaps 3 hours.... |
| 03:14.21 | canllaith | or do I wait for airport extreme support in the kernel and get an ibook? |
| 03:15.27 | canllaith | the thinkpad is probably the best bet on performance |
| 03:15.28 | canllaith | but it's ugly :( |
| 03:15.49 | Alethes | I think if I ever get a notebook, it'll be a mac |
| 03:16.11 | canllaith | hmmm |
| 03:16.19 | canllaith | kde on darwin is not somewhere I want to go ... |
| 03:16.27 | Alethes | hah |
| 03:16.33 | Alethes | why would you do that? |
| 03:16.36 | canllaith | so if I get a mac I'd dual boot for the sake of KDE - and there is no airport extreme support |
| 03:16.43 | canllaith | because I need KDE :) |
| 03:16.51 | Alethes | not if you have OSX :) |
| 03:16.55 | canllaith | Yes, I need KDE |
| 03:17.05 | Renze | Alethes: she needs KDE |
| 03:17.08 | canllaith | besides I hate the interface (although admittedly I'd probably get used to it ) |
| 03:17.12 | Alethes | for what? |
| 03:17.30 | canllaith | because it would make it hard to work on some things without KDE (although granted not impossible) |
| 03:17.37 | Alethes | ah |
| 03:18.24 | canllaith | Well.. I could do a lot of stuff via ssh to my desktop |
| 03:18.34 | canllaith | but yeah I really need to be in KDE 24/7 to keep up :) |
| 03:18.41 | Alethes | alrighty heh |
| 03:18.59 | qazix | KDE > MacOS X, at least it is if GNOME follows OSX closely ;) |
| 03:19.15 | canllaith | that has nothing to do with it, it is simple practicality |
| 03:19.26 | qazix | KDE probably has more features overall though |
| 03:19.29 | canllaith | if I work on KDE as a hobby and work with KDE as a profession, I kinda need KDE |
| 03:19.42 | Alethes | I wouldn't guage the quality of OSX based on gnome |
| 03:19.57 | qazix | indeed, but GNOME's goal is to be more mac-like AFAIK |
| 03:20.02 | Alethes | nah |
| 03:20.14 | Alethes | gnome is to try to be more useless at this point |
| 03:20.21 | canllaith | there is also the fact that my OS p references go: Linux/*BSD/Irix/Solaris/Aix/Windows NT/Windows 9X/System 7/8/Mac OSX |
| 03:20.24 | canllaith | In that order :) |
| 03:20.29 | canllaith | Yes, I despise macs that much |
| 03:20.37 | Alethes | hah |
| 03:21.02 | canllaith | Although i have learned how to use them! Even I can learn new tricks :D |
| 03:26.33 | Alethes | hehe |
| 03:26.54 | Alethes | what is tunepimp used for in kdemultimedia? |
| 03:27.17 | Renze | it's part of JuK, it's for fetching tag information or something |
| 03:27.29 | qazix | MusicBrainz mp3 tagging |
| 03:27.31 | Alethes | ah ok |
| 03:27.34 | Alethes | dangit |
| 03:27.36 | Alethes | I need it heh |
| 03:27.44 | Alethes | that's the part that's not compiling |
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| 03:44.55 | lovelyx | Hi! Anyone knows how to use bittorrent? |
| 03:49.51 | termo | yep |
| 03:49.53 | termo | install it |
| 03:50.01 | termo | choose a nickname |
| 03:50.11 | termo | set up your ports |
| 03:50.17 | termo | run it |
| 03:50.24 | termo | and you're done |
| 03:51.10 | termo | (note that if you have already installed bittorrent, you can skip the first step) |
| 03:51.32 | lovelyx | but how do i run it? |
| 03:51.53 | jepel_tailweaver | lovelyx: /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.py --url http://something/something.torrent |
| 03:52.50 | lovelyx | but you see, for some reason i dont have tha fiel |
| 03:52.58 | lovelyx | btdownloadgui.py |
| 03:53.02 | termo | ok |
| 03:53.07 | termo | install mldonkey |
| 03:53.12 | termo | end kmldonkey |
| 03:53.17 | termo | *and |
| 03:53.33 | termo | then you're set |
| 03:53.39 | lovelyx | oh ok |
| 03:54.18 | termo | It has a intuitive interface |
| 03:54.31 | termo | one you might need |
| 03:54.35 | lovelyx | ok, let me try it |
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| 03:59.45 | lovelyx | termo: i found an rpm with the download gui |
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| 04:10.54 | funky | hi |
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| 04:33.13 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 04:33.19 | canllaith | /home/dessa/KDECVS/kdelibs/khtml/rendering/render_layer.cpp:843:2: warning: #warning HACK |
| 04:33.25 | canllaith | that always makes me feel so warm and fuzzy |
| 04:33.30 | Renze | heh |
| 04:33.57 | canllaith | hurry up and buiiiiiiiiiiiild *bouncy bouncy* I want my new tooltips :( |
| 04:34.12 | sarah03 | #warning This code is particularly evil. You'll need to go sacrifice yourself a goat at the height of a full moon to actually get it to compile. |
| 04:34.49 | sarah03 | lol |
| 04:35.06 | sarah03 | canllaith: I'm tempted to put that warning into some of the code I've written recently. |
| 04:35.11 | canllaith | :) You should |
| 04:35.16 | canllaith | I always love reading comments like that |
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| 04:35.29 | sarah03 | I'll put it this way: inside of, say, 'file.cpp': #include "file.cpp" |
| 04:35.31 | canllaith | If the coder has a sense of humour then it gives me much more confidence in them ;) |
| 04:37.22 | canllaith | oh! anders new kate highlighty thingy should be in this update too |
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| 04:42.34 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: I've commented some of my batch files in funny ways |
| 04:42.42 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: tho I don't usually comment them |
| 04:43.04 | sarah03 | canllaith: Just rarely? You're doing better than I am, then. |
| 04:43.12 | sarah03 | I think I occasionally put in '/* FIXME */'. |
| 04:43.19 | jepel_tailweaver | About 2 of my batch files have comments |
| 04:43.24 | jepel_tailweaver | of the 25 or so that I have |
| 04:43.39 | canllaith | well I have a few little things around here that have comments because I was going to show them to someone who bitches at me for not commenting |
| 04:43.42 | sarah03 | I *do* indent my code, though. |
| 04:43.50 | canllaith | but I don't comment nor indent |
| 04:43.51 | sarah03 | [Only so I can read it later.] |
| 04:43.58 | jepel_tailweaver | Indenting is good |
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| 04:44.25 | jepel_tailweaver | with something as self-explanatory as a batch file, however, comments aren't quite as necessary |
| 04:44.27 | sarah03 | Hell... even code which is generated through any code generators I write is indented. |
| 04:44.39 | jepel_tailweaver | hehe |
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| 04:45.42 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/gallery.txt |
| 04:45.48 | canllaith | there we go. |
| 04:46.32 | canllaith | I lie. there is indentation |
| 04:46.39 | canllaith | the bit I copied and pasted verbatim from w3.org |
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| 04:48.33 | sarah03 | Yeah... http://b0rekd.dhs.org/template/article/index.xsl ... indentation all over the place. |
| 04:49.01 | canllaith | but then, I'm not a coder so it's ok. I don't care if I go to coder hell for my bad practices :) |
| 04:49.10 | jepel_tailweaver | hehe |
| 04:49.22 | jepel_tailweaver | the time has come for me to sleep for a while |
| 04:49.24 | jepel_tailweaver | night all |
| 04:49.25 | sarah03 | Mine is bad to read, but that's because it's XSLT. |
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| 04:51.05 | sonoud | hi, my kde can't load .Xdefaults in the beginning. After I added xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults in .xinitrc, kde still can't load .Xdefaults. How can I ask kde load .Xdefaults on startup? I'm using fedora core2. |
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| 04:51.18 | gaara_x | hi |
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| 05:03.14 | parabolize | I am haveing trouble with gtk apps using qt widgets. I have goolged and posted here on JL: http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136322 |
| 05:03.57 | parabolize | anybody know what part of kde I need running in enlightenment |
| 05:04.17 | canllaith | kde puts a gtkrc-2.0 file in your home dir |
| 05:04.35 | canllaith | you can use the kcontrol module to set your gtk theme if you have gtk-qt, and then it should do it for all DE's or WM's |
| 05:05.08 | parabolize | it does it in kde |
| 05:05.42 | canllaith | mmm |
| 05:06.07 | canllaith | you can try copying the gtkrc from the Qt theme folder (usually /usr/share/themes/Qt) to ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and see if that helps |
| 05:06.42 | canllaith | but... there should be an include "/usr/share/themes/Qt/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" already in the one you have.. hmmm |
| 05:06.55 | parabolize | I got a .gtkrc and a .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 file in ~ |
| 05:06.59 | canllaith | ah |
| 05:07.05 | canllaith | you need .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 05:07.42 | canllaith | echo 'include "/usr/share/themes/Qt/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" > .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 05:07.51 | canllaith | um and another ' in there sorry |
| 05:07.59 | canllaith | assuming that's the correct path for your gnome themes of course |
| 05:08.32 | gaara_x | can i unactivate the kdeinit every time that i put a cd? |
| 05:08.52 | gaara_x | because, sometimes i get the error "device busy..." |
| 05:09.07 | gaara_x | when i try to mount it |
| 05:09.19 | gaara_x | the first time |
| 05:11.19 | zanee | where is the appropriate channel to ask user related questions regarding kde programs specifically kmail? |
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| 05:11.40 | parabolize | what would another likely path for my gnome themes |
| 05:11.57 | parabolize | *would be |
| 05:11.59 | zanee | .themes |
| 05:12.31 | parabolize | thats empty |
| 05:13.20 | zanee | I don't understand the question you posted |
| 05:13.33 | zanee | you can't load nonkde apps with qt widgets |
| 05:14.05 | parabolize | firefox in kde loads with qt widgets. in enlightenment it doesnt |
| 05:14.34 | zanee | thats because firefox is probably using the widget set in it's environment.. other programs don't do that |
| 05:14.45 | zanee | for instance firefox can also use gtk widgets |
| 05:14.53 | zanee | which is probably what it uses in enlightenment |
| 05:15.39 | zanee | there is probably an environment or run time variable that you could set to force it to always use the kde widget.. or a setting in the .jar file or whatever |
| 05:15.42 | parabolize | yes I know that. gtk-qt-engine does something that makes gtk apps look like they use qt |
| 05:16.04 | zanee | I don't know anything about that.. so I can't help |
| 05:16.33 | zanee | do you know anything about kmail? and if it's possible to filter your incoming mail to imap folders? |
| 05:17.19 | parabolize | didnt use it much so no I dont |
| 05:18.22 | parabolize | found it! /opt/gnome/share/themes that sound right? |
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| 05:18.48 | canllaith | it's not 'using' qt widgets |
| 05:19.03 | canllaith | the gtk-qt theme engine is mapping the qt 'look' of the theme onto the gtk apps. |
| 05:19.29 | parabolize | Ok I got that |
| 05:20.58 | zanee | hrmm I'm finding it hard to fully utilize kde.. I like qt and the underlying subsystem seems cohesive but the main apps are a pain.. where would I send a patch for kmail? |
| 05:21.08 | zanee | no one is in #kmail |
| 05:21.26 | canllaith | mmm is there a kmail-devel mailing list or a kdepim one ? |
| 05:21.34 | zanee | ok |
| 05:22.53 | parabolize | so I want to: echo 'include "/opt/gnome/share/themes/Qt/gtk-2.0" > .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 05:22.55 | zanee | I don't say that for sympathy.. if something doesn't work the way I want I can fix it myself with sufficient time. I say it because that is my personal opinion |
| 05:22.58 | parabolize | right? |
| 05:23.13 | canllaith | parabolize, yeah you're missing a ' in there |
| 05:23.25 | parabolize | the end? |
| 05:23.42 | parabolize | ' @ end? |
| 05:23.44 | canllaith | or you can use a text editor to write it or you can cp /opt/gnome/share/themes/Qt/gtk-2.0/gtkrc ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 05:23.52 | qazix | sarah03: people still get paid to code!? O_O (jk -- although I'm not planning to code for cash in the future) |
| 05:24.12 | canllaith | (me notes the last would be better since you seem to be mistyping your paths. Lots. |
| 05:24.24 | sarah03 | qazix: Yeah. I've got a night's work in front of me that'll be worth at least $400. |
| 05:24.57 | qazix | sarah03: Nice. :) I used to think that I'd go into programming, but I'm not considering it with all of the outsourcing going on these days. |
| 05:25.55 | sarah03 | *shrug* |
| 05:26.08 | qazix | do you pretty much do it on a consultancy basis? |
| 05:26.12 | qazix | er, I assume so. |
| 05:26.29 | sarah03 | Basically. I'm doing this at home, sitting in my pajamas. |
| 05:26.34 | qazix | rol |
| 05:26.37 | sarah03 | If that means anything. :) |
| 05:26.48 | canllaith | that just means you're a real coder sarah03 :) |
| 05:27.53 | sarah03 | lol |
| 05:28.07 | sarah03 | It's too bad that what I'm working on is someone else's hideous PHP code. |
| 05:28.55 | sarah03 | I like the language - but I've also got a big NIH complex when poking at other people's code. |
| 05:29.13 | qazix | heh. I made someone else's HTML standards-compliant and modernized (used CSS to replace loads of redundancy) just for the heck of it (didn't tell the person about it)... I kinda enjoyed it. :o |
| 05:29.33 | parabolize | I got gnome-settings-daemon running so I'm going to restart x and see... |
| 05:29.56 | canllaith | just kill it |
| 05:30.00 | canllaith | killall gnome-settings-daemon ;) |
| 05:30.01 | sarah03 | qazix: *shrug* Standards-compliant I don't have a problem with: http://b0rked.dhs.org/ ... the backend is 99% XSLT. |
| 05:30.27 | qazix | eww |
| 05:30.46 | canllaith | usually it's a sign of peoples trust/faith in you when you always end up hacking on other peoples code |
| 05:30.47 | sarah03 | It's strangely elegant in it's own way. |
| 05:30.54 | canllaith | it's the ultimate compliment really |
| 05:31.10 | canllaith | (not that I like doing it either) |
| 05:31.21 | sarah03 | canllaith: *nods* What I usually end up with is "Help! I don't understand this shit!" |
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| 05:31.58 | parabolize | thank you! it works now! |
| 05:32.36 | canllaith | :) yw. |
| 05:32.39 | canllaith | must add that to faq |
| 05:32.44 | parabolize | no more pooy gnome-settings-daemon for me! |
| 05:32.49 | canllaith | YES! of course that's what I was trying to remember how to do it earlier! |
| 05:32.52 | qazix | bah, gsd works wonders here. :/ |
| 05:32.53 | canllaith | parabolize, thank you! |
| 05:33.15 | canllaith | you just reminded me why I was starting at a blank page in Kate |
| 05:33.24 | parabolize | hehe |
| 05:36.52 | sonoud | hi, my kde can't load .Xdefaults in the beginning. After I added xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults in .xinitrc, kde still can't load .Xdefaults. How can I ask kde load .Xdefaults on startup? I'm using fedora core2. |
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| 05:38.39 | grepper | sonoud: kdm doesn't read .xinitrc |
| 05:38.47 | qazix | sonoud: place an app shortcut in ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 05:38.56 | grepper | sonoud: er, sorry, if you use kdm |
| 05:39.22 | qazix | sonoud: navigate there with Konqueror, right click, Create New -> File -> Link to Application |
| 05:40.18 | qazix | that's per-user of course |
| 05:41.17 | sonoud | grepper, qazix, sorry about the late reply. what is the final answer? |
| 05:42.18 | qazix | sonoud: hrm? Just do what I said, and put "xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults" as the command. |
| 05:42.24 | sonoud | qazix, place program in Autostart? i.e. write a shell script xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults and place it in ~/.kde/Autostart ? |
| 05:42.31 | qazix | no, not a shell script |
| 05:42.49 | sonoud | qazix, sorry, let me check what is Autostart first. |
| 05:42.53 | grepper | er, nothing wrong with a shell script |
| 05:43.08 | qazix | shell scripts work in ~/.kde/Autostart? Didn't know that. |
| 05:43.21 | sonoud | grepper, kdm read .xinitrc, but it doesn't run xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults somehow. i don't know why. |
| 05:44.01 | canllaith | kdm does not read .xinitrc |
| 05:44.25 | grepper | nor does it read .xsession |
| 05:44.25 | sonoud | canllaith, well, i don't know what is kdm. but i am sure my startx read .xinitrc. |
| 05:44.45 | canllaith | sonoud, yes startx read .xinitrc and it _should_ be reading your xrdb load |
| 05:44.47 | sonoud | well, you can ask it to read anything you want. just configure the script. |
| 05:44.48 | canllaith | it reads mine |
| 05:45.03 | sonoud | canllaith, but it doesn't run it. i don't know why. |
| 05:45.10 | canllaith | that is very odd |
| 05:45.18 | canllaith | you are sure your syntax is correct ? |
| 05:45.27 | sonoud | qazix, so can I put a shell script with xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults in Autostart/ ? |
| 05:45.31 | grepper | he is talking about kdm, not startx |
| 05:45.37 | sonoud | canllaith, yeah, i am pretty sure. |
| 05:45.38 | qazix | sonoud: maybe; I've never tried that myself. |
| 05:45.45 | canllaith | gregday, um no he's not |
| 05:45.55 | canllaith | sonoud, well try the Autostart thing, a shell script will work fine :) |
| 05:46.45 | sonoud | canllaith, qazix, thanks for help. i will try later, since it requires restart my x window. |
| 05:46.46 | grepper | sonoud: do you want to use startx or kdm ? |
| 05:46.54 | sonoud | grepper, startx. |
| 05:47.11 | grepper | ah, ok |
| 05:47.27 | grepper | <sonoud> grepper, kdm read .xinitrc, but it doesn't run xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults somehow. i don't know why. |
| 05:47.32 | grepper | that confused me I guess |
| 05:47.46 | canllaith | grepper, english not his first language.. |
| 05:47.58 | canllaith | erm, english as first language |
| 05:48.53 | sonoud | grepper, The reason why i said "kdm read .xinitrc" is because i am not sure what is kdm, and you asked me whether kdm reads .xinitrc before. therefore i assume kdm is the one startx called. |
| 05:49.01 | canllaith | *sigh* scarily enough, english is MY first language but I'm rapidly degenerating |
| 05:49.19 | grepper | canllaith: I think the problem is that "kde" is not his language :) |
| 05:49.32 | canllaith | :P |
| 05:49.39 | canllaith | there is much lingo/buzzwords/jargon |
| 05:49.50 | grepper | sonoud: yes, use a shell script in Autostart directory, should work fine |
| 05:50.06 | sonoud | well, english is not my first language. how do you know? hehe. many English mistakes? |
| 05:50.17 | canllaith | sonoud, no not many mistakes at all :) |
| 05:50.26 | canllaith | but, the sentence structure |
| 05:50.51 | canllaith | you can always tell ;) You can tell a german or a malaysian or a korean by how he speaks english, because his first language is what he thinks in. |
| 05:51.09 | grepper | sonoud: your "english" is not the problem, its your "kde" :P |
| 05:51.11 | canllaith | and that shapes the words he chooses, and the way he arranges them. |
| 05:51.34 | sonoud | canllaith, hehe, anyway. i thought people can only tell from my accent. |
| 05:52.38 | canllaith | sonoud, I talk online and via email so much with people who speak english as a second or third or even fourth lanuage |
| 05:52.53 | canllaith | after a while you start to notice so much the small things that give them away ;) |
| 05:52.55 | Venson | sonoud: whether you know it or not, we can *hear* you on irc :D |
| 05:53.01 | Renze | english is my second language, but I forgot my first :) |
| 05:53.07 | canllaith | Venson! speaking of linguistic marvels, how are you my dear? |
| 05:53.14 | Venson | canllaith: hehe...i ok. You? |
| 05:53.31 | canllaith | Venson is about the only person who I cannot tell that he did not learn english as his first or even second language ;) |
| 05:53.36 | canllaith | I'm good ty :) |
| 05:53.37 | Venson | English is my -1th language |
| 05:54.00 | canllaith | Was hindi your second or ... ? |
| 05:54.00 | Venson | canllaith: =P Flattering as always, eh, madame? |
| 05:54.15 | canllaith | of course ;) |
| 05:54.21 | Venson | canllaith: hindi = third language |
| 05:54.37 | canllaith | first I know, I have lovely calligraphy from you in it... second ? |
| 05:54.56 | Venson | canllaith: that was in kannada :P ...i can make you a hindi one, but it won't look artistic at all |
| 05:55.14 | canllaith | Yeah :) kannada was the first ? |
| 05:55.30 | Venson | canllaith: i won't be able to scan it since i dont have a scanner, but i could maybe mail you a digital image. |
| 05:55.39 | Venson | canllaith: kannada = second language (+ mother tongue) |
| 05:55.53 | canllaith | ahhh ok then |
| 05:56.04 | Venson | canllaith: i studied sanskrit as my first language...and i know nought about it. :-S |
| 05:56.10 | canllaith | Venson, I like the kannada one actually and I am going to make up a nice poster in the gimp to print it out |
| 05:56.20 | Venson | hence English = -1th language lol |
| 05:56.20 | canllaith | sanskrit, kannada, hindi, english ? |
| 05:56.35 | Venson | canllaith: yeah...studied each of them for over five years |
| 05:57.24 | Venson | i'm like GCC...i compile many languages :P |
| 05:57.24 | canllaith | :) I can only hope one day my malaysian/indonesian and german get as good as your english |
| 05:57.27 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 05:58.02 | Venson | ja...your deutsche ist gut already |
| 05:58.06 | canllaith | Yeah, I speak fluent bash and perl, a smattering of python and 'good enough to find a taxi' C |
| 05:58.10 | canllaith | ;) |
| 05:58.13 | Venson | lol |
| 05:58.31 | Venson | you dont wanna get me started :-X |
| 05:58.37 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 05:58.50 | canllaith | I can follow some of the conversation with the relatives |
| 05:58.59 | Venson | :) |
| 05:59.12 | Venson | be it computer languages or other, they're all fun to learn |
| 05:59.23 | canllaith | dave explaning to marion in deutsch what a cheetah was |
| 05:59.34 | canllaith | and marion complaining of a headache =p |
| 05:59.43 | Venson | haha...i hope he did mention it has nothing to do with cheetos |
| 05:59.51 | Venson | aw |
| 06:00.04 | canllaith | hehehe although they speak so fast |
| 06:00.18 | Venson | if i spot somebody, i call them cheetah...coz they were spotted :D |
| 06:00.25 | canllaith | LOL |
| 06:00.29 | Renze | *groan* |
| 06:00.39 | Venson | Renze: i know...i apologize. hope you dont have nightmares |
| 06:00.53 | canllaith | heh it's ok, at least you know I appreciate your sense of humour |
| 06:01.02 | Renze | :) |
| 06:01.13 | Venson | big hug :-# |
| 06:01.16 | Renze | just kidding :) |
| 06:01.44 | canllaith | =p |
| 06:03.04 | Venson | brb |
| 06:06.42 | canllaith | hmmm finish reading irix documentation, work on faq or work on kfcg stuff |
| 06:06.48 | canllaith | or, put clothes on and get out of bed |
| 06:10.59 | canllaith | hmm this is annoying |
| 06:11.08 | canllaith | v: overwrite `./libkonq/.deps/konq_undo.Ulo', overriding mode 0644? |
| 06:11.21 | canllaith | unsermake... does anyone know why it would be doing this, and how I can make it be non interactive ? |
| 06:12.07 | sarah03 | canllaith: Er, perhaps the subshell that's invoking 'mv' has "alias mv='mv -i'" somewhere? |
| 06:12.36 | canllaith | hmmm that's always possible I guess I should figure out what that shell is |
| 06:13.01 | sarah03 | The easiest workaround is to tell it to use /bin/mv instead of just mv. |
| 06:13.45 | sarah03 | In the meantime.. |
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| 06:13.56 | canllaith | I'll do my old trick ..... |
| 06:14.31 | sarah03 | lol, that works |
| 06:14.37 | canllaith | ;) |
| 06:14.44 | sarah03 | Of course, 'yes | make' would do the same thing. |
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| 06:17.14 | Venson | back |
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| 06:26.40 | sarah03 | Feh. I type too fast sometimes. |
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| 06:40.38 | aseigo | a working brain is still a requirement for breathing among humans, is it not? |
| 06:41.23 | sarah03 | aseigo: I believe so, why? |
| 06:41.29 | sarah03 | :) |
| 06:41.32 | aseigo | i'm beginning to wonder is all |
| 06:41.51 | sarah03 | It doesn't require higher-level brain capacity, though. |
| 06:41.54 | aseigo | either i need to go out more often, or i should not do so to retain my skewed image of humans as generally thinking and enlightenable beings |
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| 06:42.40 | Venson | aseigo: you must've come across people who made you think about that, correct? irc has such a variety of people |
| 06:42.54 | canllaith | why is that aseigo ? |
| 06:43.35 | sarah03 | aseigo: I have a hard time comprehending some humans as being of the 'generally thinking and enlightenable' sort, though. I mean, they re-elected Bush. |
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| 06:45.06 | aseigo | Venson: certainly. just not in such large volumes. |
| 06:45.11 | aseigo | sarah03: hrm. true enough. |
| 06:45.24 | Venson | lol |
| 06:45.27 | aseigo | canllaith: i'm now getting replies about the personal hygene of people in the "open source" community |
| 06:49.42 | canllaith | oh you're kidding me |
| 06:50.07 | canllaith | hmm is that 'documents relation toolbar' crap thing fixed yet btw.. or how do I fix it? annma told someone the other day but I'd forgotten |
| 06:50.34 | sarah03 | I just moved the plugin out of $KDEDIR/lib/kde3. |
| 06:51.06 | sarah03 | It wasn't of any use to me, and it was getting annoying by the time I'd opened 3 tabs in Konqueror the first time I used 3.3.1. |
| 06:51.13 | canllaith | heh um yes |
| 06:51.23 | canllaith | It's bitten me in CVS head - what is the actual filename to move/delete? :) |
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| 06:51.45 | sarah03 | librellinksplugin.so and librellinksplugin.la |
| 06:51.50 | canllaith | ok ty |
| 06:51.54 | sarah03 | :) |
| 06:52.04 | DeadS0ul | can any of you go to www.allmusic.com in konqui? |
| 06:52.20 | canllaith | yikes |
| 06:52.23 | canllaith | hey |
| 06:52.40 | canllaith | I bathe, I have social skills and customer service experience :( |
| 06:53.02 | canllaith | I hate when people have one bad experience and then brand everyone connected to it as bad |
| 06:54.05 | sarah03 | I don't have customer service experience, unless you consider "keeping the boss happy with your work" experience to be along the same lines... |
| 06:54.52 | canllaith | so.. that's my 'thing' |
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| 06:55.37 | sarah03 | I'm mostly hired in positions where I -am- the technical staff. |
| 06:55.42 | DeadS0ul | I do some end user support .... |
| 06:55.53 | canllaith | end user support is not quite the same thing... |
| 06:56.16 | sarah03 | [Rather, where I am the technical staff for the technical staff, if that makes any sense at all.] |
| 06:56.20 | canllaith | hmm it's like, management wants something that does this. They don't know how one accomplishes this |
| 06:56.37 | canllaith | I do, and I can talk to them in English. Then I go and implement it, or implement it with the team, talking in Geek |
| 06:56.48 | gregday | http://www.mediatinker.com/blog/archives/008798.html#008798 |
| 06:56.52 | canllaith | so, I'm a geek to english translation engine I guess |
| 06:57.00 | aseigo | DeadS0ul: hrm. not with th default ua.. let me try an alt |
| 06:57.23 | sarah03 | I talk to my boss in english, until I want him to stop nagging me about something. Then I switch to obscure Geek. |
| 06:57.31 | canllaith | Management think in the terms of end results, what they want to see. The actual process of getting there is something they expect the technicians and egineers to fill in for them. |
| 06:57.36 | canllaith | heh |
| 06:57.47 | sarah03 | He understands normal Geek. |
| 06:58.37 | aseigo | DeadS0ul: oh. there. it loaded... just took a while |
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| 06:59.00 | DeadS0ul | it finally worked for me too, but it gives a error. |
| 06:59.42 | canllaith | yay kdebase is done |
| 07:00.09 | DeadS0ul | canllaith: yeah that's true, even end users don't care bout how to fix/make computers, they just want it to work and pay me (very little) for it |
| 07:00.19 | canllaith | and that's perfectly valid. |
| 07:00.31 | canllaith | They simply have different priorities and that's why they do what they do and not what we do. |
| 07:01.10 | canllaith | They have a reasonably large network of mainly microsoft based technologies but their DIT is someone who is sympathetic to OSS |
| 07:01.28 | DeadS0ul | what's DIT stand for? |
| 07:01.32 | canllaith | So this could be an opportunity to be the driving force of a large migration |
| 07:01.35 | canllaith | Director of IT |
| 07:01.40 | DeadS0ul | ah |
| 07:02.03 | canllaith | and of course, he recognises that a move to open source (specifically KDE on linux) is something he'd be insane not to do with me around. |
| 07:02.20 | canllaith | Simply because while lots of people know more about KDE than I do, not so many are in our country |
| 07:03.06 | DeadS0ul | then wouldn't your job require more descion making then actual technical work? |
| 07:03.26 | DeadS0ul | canllaith: aren't you from NZ? I know a guy down there but he's into gnome and java heh |
| 07:03.41 | canllaith | heh so a guy, over the whole country |
| 07:03.47 | canllaith | and I'm not a NZer. At any rate. |
| 07:04.00 | canllaith | Um actually I'd be running dog lacky cause that's what I do best :) |
| 07:04.27 | DeadS0ul | NZ doesn't have much of a population |
| 07:04.29 | canllaith | I imagine a great deal of documentation and end user training |
| 07:04.44 | canllaith | Well, train existing staff to train end users |
| 07:05.08 | canllaith | and a lot of the actual migration work |
| 07:05.15 | DeadS0ul | ..training, I could use some training in linux, instead of going through all the howts heh |
| 07:05.19 | canllaith | That would be a huge project... like wow. |
| 07:05.31 | canllaith | s/here/her/ |
| 07:06.06 | canllaith | So yeah it would be a big job migrating them and I suspect we'd only have a partial migration but I'd love to do it |
| 07:06.12 | DeadS0ul | long trip, I'm in Hong Kong |
| 07:06.49 | canllaith | a : deciding what technologies to migrate to what... b : setting up and monitoring sample/test servers to observe c : migrating the larger servers to OSS including preserving years and years worth of data..... |
| 07:07.03 | canllaith | d : training staff in the new technologies, and e : training end users |
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| 07:08.11 | DeadS0ul | heh |
| 07:08.29 | canllaith | :( and I guess I can't make them all use slackware |
| 07:08.53 | DeadS0ul | but you would have to support that company/enterprise after miagration too ... |
| 07:09.04 | canllaith | yep and I love supporting slackware |
| 07:09.25 | DeadS0ul | so you must have a decent client base by now.. |
| 07:09.43 | canllaith | hmm unfortunately supporting MS technologies is our bread and butter |
| 07:10.35 | canllaith | sod sod sod sod and that is the THIRD faulty part dell have sent me this month |
| 07:10.41 | canllaith | god I hate dell brb |
| 07:11.50 | DeadS0ul | I need to learn ms stufff, I learned all my linux stuff by setting up a home server |
| 07:12.09 | DeadS0ul | ...dell sucks...so does hp, and IBM is a big sellout.AHH i gotta run, cya |
| 07:16.39 | canllaith | I wonder if default kicker from head is supposed to have nothing on it?:| |
| 07:20.34 | canllaith | bbs |
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| 07:24.09 | The_mask | Using PHP, how do you prevent the web browser from interperting html tags that you output?? |
| 07:25.55 | gnome` | The_mask: you need to escape whatever value you output |
| 07:26.35 | The_mask | Thanks |
| 07:26.41 | gnome` | The_mask: at least, _any_ value that originates from user |
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| 07:34.54 | kayon | Hello how do i get a list of dcop commands for a program. in this case kwallet? |
| 07:35.14 | Venson | kayon: just type "dcop" in konsole |
| 07:35.45 | kayon | :) Wow that was easy... thank you. |
| 07:35.52 | Venson | np |
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| 07:47.00 | aseigo_h | well now. that was fun |
| 07:47.23 | aseigo_h | The_mask: use htmlentities() |
| 07:47.46 | aseigo_h | The_mask: it'll escape the html for you ... at least iirc =) |
| 07:48.21 | aseigo_h | yep... that it does |
| 07:50.14 | sarah03 | I'm currently doing PHP right now... |
| 08:05.28 | canllaith | :) |
| 08:05.41 | canllaith | Ok everyone, as you were. Just felt like pointing that out |
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| 08:19.15 | qazix | canllaith: screenshot? ;) |
| 08:19.33 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/zooooooooooomy/ |
| 08:19.41 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/very_kool_new_kicker.jpg |
| 08:20.31 | qazix | nice |
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| 08:21.30 | canllaith | it looks amazingly cool |
| 08:21.38 | gregday | canllaith: what is it? |
| 08:21.45 | gregday | i dont think i can tell what's going on from the sshots |
| 08:21.48 | canllaith | kicker from CVS head.. it has new tooltips |
| 08:22.11 | gregday | they fade in like that with the circles? |
| 08:22.15 | canllaith | Yep, but very fast |
| 08:22.19 | canllaith | so .. it looks rather cool |
| 08:22.36 | gregday | hm. on by default? |
| 08:22.43 | canllaith | you have to enable icon zooming |
| 08:22.58 | canllaith | it's the replacement to the old style icon zooming which really didn't .. do any good |
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| 08:23.04 | Flendor | Good morrow! |
| 08:23.05 | gregday | hm. new systray with hidingcool |
| 08:23.13 | gregday | i hated the old style zooming |
| 08:23.18 | canllaith | Well it's gone :) |
| 08:24.06 | qazix | what does it look like with a panel on the side? text vertical or horizontal? |
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| 08:24.44 | qazix | hmm titbread, interesting name. |
| 08:24.52 | canllaith | text is the right way up |
| 08:25.00 | canllaith | no matter where you have kicker |
| 08:25.46 | qazix | hrm, it'd probably look better going vertical with a vertical panel, but it's just eyecandy after all. |
| 08:25.57 | canllaith | Well the effect is eyecandy |
| 08:26.19 | canllaith | but it doesn't hide the icons like the old style tooltips do |
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| 08:26.26 | gregday | ooh Qt4 is neat |
| 08:26.50 | canllaith | wow |
| 08:26.55 | canllaith | you can drag and drop urls.... |
| 08:27.06 | gregday | canllaith: REALLY? THANK GOD |
| 08:27.28 | az[a]zel | ive never ever thought "I wish you could drag and drop urls", but there you go |
| 08:27.40 | az[a]zel | I wish items on the taskbar were drag and droppable though :) |
| 08:27.42 | canllaith | well I just did it by accident :| |
| 08:30.22 | gregday | sleet all day, snowed all evening |
| 08:30.43 | gregday | people are driving about 5kph on every road |
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| 08:40.33 | mobtek | gregday: sounds nice was 32C here today :) |
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| 08:40.51 | aseigo_h | -20C atm here |
| 08:44.18 | _save_ | aseigo_h: I love negative values ... :-) |
| 08:44.31 | aseigo_h | _save_: try walking in them |
| 08:44.33 | Flendor | It's like 3 degrees here.. |
| 08:44.36 | mobtek | aseigo: you in Chicago? |
| 08:44.45 | mobtek | _save_: same heheh |
| 08:44.45 | Flendor | Celcius. |
| 08:44.52 | _save_ | Here in Germany it it 10C now :-( |
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| 08:44.55 | aseigo_h | mobtek: no. why, i Chicago also Too Damn Cold(tm)? |
| 08:45.04 | aseigo_h | er, is Chicago |
| 08:45.08 | mobtek | yuppers saw it on the world news weather roundup heheh |
| 08:45.18 | mobtek | went woot I am so there :P |
| 08:45.20 | aseigo_h | but no, i'm not in Chicago |
| 08:45.24 | aseigo_h | i'm in Calgary |
| 08:45.28 | mobtek | ahh even better |
| 08:45.49 | _save_ | aseigo_h: I love canada also because of the temperatures ... |
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| 08:47.47 | aseigo_h | _save_: where are you ? |
| 08:48.26 | _save_ | aseigo_h: Hamburg/Germany |
| 08:48.42 | aseigo_h | _save_: ah! cool ... ever been to Canada? |
| 08:48.53 | mobtek | heh my wife is going to germany for work in january |
| 08:49.02 | mobtek | but to Frankfurt |
| 08:50.02 | _save_ | aseigo_h: sadly nope, but I will |
| 08:50.13 | _save_ | mobtek: were you from ? |
| 08:50.34 | aseigo_h | mobtek: i flew into (and out of) Frankfurt this summer |
| 08:50.43 | mobtek | hehe aseigo |
| 08:50.50 | mobtek | _save_: Canberra |
| 08:50.53 | aseigo_h | _save_: it's a beautiful country here ... your beer is better though |
| 08:50.56 | mobtek | au |
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| 08:51.30 | mobtek | ahh time to water the garden |
| 08:51.35 | mobtek | sun has almost gone down |
| 08:51.35 | mobtek | hehe |
| 08:51.36 | linmain | ha, i'm in frankfurt |
| 08:51.41 | _save_ | aseigo_h: ok the beer is really cool |
| 08:51.58 | r00tsh3ll | theres nothing better that my brazil ;p |
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| 08:52.08 | _save_ | mobtek: ahh |
| 08:52.42 | _save_ | r00tsh3ll: yeah, the nice loking girls from brasil ... |
| 08:52.59 | _save_ | r00tsh3ll: brazil ... sorry |
| 08:53.29 | _save_ | mobtek: Is'nt it summer in canberra ?? how are the conditions at the moment ?? |
| 08:53.57 | mobtek | 26C and no wind |
| 08:53.58 | mobtek | hehe |
| 08:54.07 | mobtek | monster storms just missed us this arvo |
| 08:54.22 | mobtek | @ 19:54 |
| 08:54.23 | _save_ | then you had luck .. |
| 08:54.34 | mobtek | haha yeah you see pink on the radar to batten down :P |
| 08:54.50 | mobtek | http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR403.shtml |
| 08:54.55 | mobtek | they have all died down now hehe |
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| 08:57.55 | aseigo_h | _save_: yes... have you tried it from the kpdf_experiments branch? |
| 08:58.22 | _save_ | aseigo_h: yup |
| 08:58.46 | aseigo_h | _save_: rather purdy and extremeley useful IMHO ... i have no need for acrobat anymore =) |
| 08:59.21 | _save_ | aseigo_h: mom telefon |
| 09:00.20 | canllaith | aseigo_h, yes but it insists on using all my cpu :( |
| 09:00.33 | aseigo_h | canllaith: when doing searches? |
| 09:00.42 | canllaith | aseigo_h, no constantly |
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| 09:02.29 | aseigo_h | canllaith: oh. shitty. |
| 09:02.54 | _save_ | aseigo_h: I need to read much of the oracle pdf documentation ... and it is so smooth with kpdf .. |
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| 09:03.56 | _save_ | we need more applications which are so well designed on kde desktop |
| 09:04.12 | linmain | would it speed up the work if i copy the configfiles of kde (where?) in a ramdisk? |
| 09:04.19 | Venson | canllaith: you built kde on your desktop machine, correct? |
| 09:04.26 | canllaith | Venson, yeah |
| 09:04.35 | _save_ | linmain: 0.00000000001% :-) |
| 09:04.38 | Venson | canllaith: how fast is the processor..and how long did it take you to build it? |
| 09:05.07 | canllaith | 2.4 and all day |
| 09:05.18 | Venson | canllaith: okies...danke |
| 09:05.34 | canllaith | libs/base/network/pim (barte essentials really |
| 09:05.40 | Venson | gotcha |
| 09:06.14 | linmain | _save_: but i 've seen iKDE reads alot from harddisk. especially at startup. |
| 09:06.18 | Venson | me tried building it on my 1.1Ghz celeron.....and yeah, it was taking forever. Besides, i wasn't sure i was doing it right (and the machine became slow for everything else) so i cancelled it. |
| 09:06.28 | Venson | I wish i had an extra toy-machine on which to compile and play |
| 09:07.02 | canllaith | tisn't a toy .. I work on it while it builds |
| 09:07.09 | canllaith | just build it as another user and renice everything that user does |
| 09:07.13 | Venson | canllaith: well...not referring to your machine... |
| 09:08.11 | canllaith | so I can run it while I sleep .... all automated yay |
| 09:08.23 | Venson | coolness |
| 09:09.09 | canllaith | mmm I appear to have killed konqueror |
| 09:09.09 | canllaith | oops |
| 09:09.18 | canllaith | :) |
| 09:09.39 | Venson | :O |
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| 09:13.50 | Flendor | Hello Venson |
| 09:14.00 | Venson | hello Flendor |
| 09:14.09 | mutronix | hi all |
| 09:14.15 | Flendor | Hi mutronix |
| 09:15.15 | canllaith | is anyone here really good with kdepim ? |
| 09:15.27 | linmain | no |
| 09:15.44 | Flendor | Nope :( |
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| 09:19.24 | mutronix | what's wrong with http://wiki.kde.org ? |
| 09:19.44 | canllaith | it's been down for ages |
| 09:19.51 | mutronix | :( |
| 09:21.23 | Flendor | Gone.. |
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| 09:25.52 | prasad | hello ppl, can someone help me setup IIIMF on KDE |
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| 09:26.03 | prasad | IIIMF - I use debian |
| 09:26.25 | prasad | anyone there? |
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| 09:27.41 | prasad | guys... help me setup IIIMF on Debian |
| 09:28.02 | prasad | IIIMF - works fine on gnome, but nothing seems to work on KDE, help me |
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