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| 00:09.30 | foo | I setup my XF86Config file so I have two devices and 2 monitors congigured. Each monitor has its own start menu, etc. In my kde startup script, I have a script start 2 programs. When I start kde, these 2 progarms each open on both monitors, anyway I could direct one program to open on a specificed device (monitor) ? |
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| 00:10.46 | dec0der | hello |
| 00:11.39 | dec0der | When I open files in KDE, in any editor, even in Quanta+, it opens as unreadable characters, though they were saved as UTF-8. In console the utf works, I have set LC_LANG and LC_ALL, what else? |
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| 00:50.34 | eille_la | hi there |
| 00:50.59 | eille_la | why is dot.kde.org always down? |
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| 00:54.46 | annma | because it's difficult to ind a good server? |
| 00:54.50 | annma | find |
| 00:55.28 | eille_la | did you guys asked microsoft to host some pages? |
| 01:00.46 | eille_la | i wonder when MS will begin giving money to some f/oss projects |
| 01:02.00 | mobtek | annma: hmm we use the company that formerly was rackshack |
| 01:02.25 | annma | mobtek: pardon? |
| 01:02.37 | annma | I think the dot is hosted in Montreal, no? |
| 01:02.56 | annma | eille_la: it's not some pages and frankly, do you believe MS would do that???? |
| 01:03.26 | mobtek | annma: they are really good 1gb/month 10mbit link for like $70US a month iirc |
| 01:03.55 | mobtek | bah akregator died during the night |
| 01:03.56 | mobtek | hehe |
| 01:04.17 | annma | I don't think the kde roject can afford to pay |
| 01:04.42 | annma | they mostly rely on university servers |
| 01:04.45 | mobtek | annma: yeah I know :) |
| 01:04.59 | mobtek | its needs a kind soul with some dosh :P |
| 01:05.13 | annma | besides depending from a company is risky, they will say we use too much bandwith and all |
| 01:06.32 | eille_la | why not use P2P (bittorent) for web sites? |
| 01:07.16 | annma | P2P? |
| 01:07.28 | annma | so the website would be everywhere? |
| 01:07.45 | annma | and where would you upload stuff? what about security? |
| 01:08.41 | thiago | and where would you get the peer list from? |
| 01:08.50 | thiago | remember BitTorrent uses an HTTP server to get that |
| 01:09.19 | eille_la | yep, one base server where the hash can be verified |
| 01:09.46 | eille_la | at least this would take much less bandwidth than one server who serves everyone |
| 01:09.53 | annma | eille_la: if you have ideas to improve all that, you can subcribe to kde-www mailing list |
| 01:10.14 | annma | kde is an open project so you can easily join |
| 01:10.28 | eille_la | it look a bit restrictive |
| 01:10.35 | annma | what? |
| 01:10.48 | annma | the mailing list? |
| 01:11.06 | annma | here on irc you won't find the right people |
| 01:11.35 | eille_la | yeh thats what i often hear |
| 01:12.30 | annma | mailing lists are very good to manage projects |
| 01:13.24 | mobtek | annma: indeed |
| 01:13.55 | annma | eille_la: and most people don't realize how projects like kde are really open |
| 01:14.05 | eille_la | mail message often contain the essential and compact information needed to say something usefull |
| 01:14.30 | annma | you want this, you contact some people, you tell your intentions and there you go |
| 01:14.42 | annma | you're in charge |
| 01:14.58 | annma | as easy as that |
| 01:15.28 | eille_la | But a project like JuK, where i saw many good feature requests in the bug list and where wheeler (the main coder of it) dont want to implement them because he dont see his app that way |
| 01:15.52 | annma | then you fork it |
| 01:16.06 | eille_la | forking it wont make it in the next kde dist |
| 01:16.11 | annma | it's the right of an author to follow his vision |
| 01:16.16 | annma | why not? |
| 01:16.22 | annma | of course it will |
| 01:16.36 | annma | it happens in all releases |
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| 01:17.04 | eille_la | who then will take the desision if its usefull or not for that or that progrm"? |
| 01:17.24 | annma | it just happended in kdeedu where a new app got wheeler's app out |
| 01:17.37 | annma | it's a community decision |
| 01:17.41 | eille_la | ok |
| 01:17.54 | annma | in kdeedu, the new app was presented and nobody objected |
| 01:18.04 | annma | (mailing list) |
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| 01:18.28 | mobtek | heh I saw that annma it was all very civilised :) |
| 01:18.30 | annma | a guy started a Logo app, he did not work with others |
| 01:18.53 | annma | a new guy sort-of forked it and now this new logo is in kdeedu |
| 01:19.29 | annma | the new guy has a clear vision of what he wants, sometimes it's not what I want but as I help, I respect his vision |
| 01:19.40 | annma | but he is open to ideas |
| 01:19.48 | annma | he works in a team |
| 01:20.05 | annma | it's all quite smooth in fact |
| 01:20.17 | mobtek | ok back to learning some more qt after 2 weeks of a head like concrete :) |
| 01:20.30 | annma | I bet kdemultimedia will maybe be changed for kde 4.0 |
| 01:20.46 | eille_la | is QT gpled? |
| 01:20.51 | annma | of course |
| 01:21.06 | annma | otherwise KDE would not be open |
| 01:21.12 | eille_la | i knew it has been opened but i ignored the license |
| 01:21.27 | annma | kdelibs is LGPL |
| 01:21.38 | annma | kde as a whole is GPL as is Qt |
| 01:22.10 | annma | eille_la: but I believe KDE is one of the more open project |
| 01:22.16 | mobtek | which was great move from trolltech, cause gtk sucks so much to code for ;) |
| 01:22.20 | annma | in the sense of integrating new people |
| 01:23.01 | annma | kde is quite true THE open project, in terms of number of people |
| 01:23.31 | annma | it's fascinating to see how this can work in fact |
| 01:23.42 | eille_la | annma: yes thats what I feel to, I really like to naviguate the website |
| 01:23.53 | annma | you should get in |
| 01:23.56 | mobtek | yeah I like how it doesn't have one person as the figurehead for people to obsess on |
| 01:24.06 | annma | mobtek: exactly |
| 01:24.29 | mobtek | annma: yeah its like here's our project, here's our code, lets get back to work etc |
| 01:24.50 | annma | yeah |
| 01:25.57 | mobtek | hmm nothing like coding to Mozart Oboe concertos at full-blast on a public holiday morning |
| 01:26.01 | annma | take PhantomsDad, he got involved recently and does quite a good job writing docs, tutorials and beginning programming |
| 01:26.13 | eille_la | requiem is also excellent |
| 01:26.14 | annma | lol |
| 01:26.20 | annma | <-- metal |
| 01:26.24 | mobtek | hahah annma |
| 01:26.38 | mobtek | I'm getting over my 2 year trance-a-thon |
| 01:26.50 | mobtek | so '70s rock and classical and baroque |
| 01:26.51 | mobtek | :P |
| 01:27.02 | annma | lol |
| 01:27.19 | eille_la | annma: you probably listened to Opeth then? |
| 01:27.29 | annma | of course |
| 01:27.45 | annma | have all the albums, currently Damnation is the one |
| 01:29.03 | annma | nice, KTurtle has Swedish now |
| 01:29.55 | eille_la | I used to much of metal |
| 01:30.10 | eille_la | its more indie rock now |
| 01:31.01 | annma | I was metal and I still am metal |
| 01:31.09 | annma | my kids are metal too |