| 00:00.04 | EricCartman | _poison, I meant the ones craeted by kdenetwoeks |
| 00:00.07 | EricCartman | networks* |
| 00:00.36 | _poison | EricCartman: you _do not_ really want to list them all ? *g* |
| 00:00.45 | _poison | want me* |
| 00:01.12 | EricCartman | Maybe connfigure script is givinf a false-warning. |
| 00:01.33 | _poison | EricCartman: usually not =P |
| 00:01.42 | EricCartman | ;) |
| 00:06.32 | EricCartman | Also I get this error while compiling kdemultimedia |
| 00:06.42 | EricCartman | libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.2/libstdc++.la' |
| 00:07.13 | _poison | EricCartman: uhm... |
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| 00:08.20 | _poison | $ locate libstdc++.la |
| 00:08.24 | _poison | /usr/lib/libstdc++.la |
| 00:08.25 | EricCartman | I have this one instead -> /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.2/libstdc++.la |
| 00:08.41 | EricCartman | I've tried using --with-extra-libs= |
| 00:08.51 | EricCartman | But it didn't work either. |
| 00:09.10 | _poison | ldconfig -v|grep libstdc |
| 00:09.41 | grepper | EricCartman: probably configure checks both for the tools and development files |
| 00:09.47 | grepper | you have the dev stuff installed ? |
| 00:09.52 | grepper | libiw-dev on debian |
| 00:10.06 | _poison | EricCartman: ldconfig -p|grep libstdc |
| 00:10.31 | EricCartman | we don't have such packages in gentoo |
| 00:10.36 | _poison | EricCartman: and check the paths |
| 00:10.51 | grepper | ok |
| 00:11.35 | EricCartman | _poison, I guess .la files are supposed to be used when linking statically. |
| 00:11.43 | EricCartman | And ldconfig is for dynamic linking. |
| 00:12.25 | _poison | my bad.... |
| 00:13.06 | EricCartman | I just don't know why it looks strictly for i386 |
| 00:14.00 | thiago | .la is libtool |
| 00:14.07 | thiago | .a is static |
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| 00:18.03 | EricCartman | _poison, what does ./configure tells you about wireless tools ? Can you do a './configure | grep wireless' in the kdenetwork for me ? |
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| 00:20.06 | DocTrax | good morning |
| 00:20.35 | EricCartman | It's 3:23 AM here ;) |
| 00:21.17 | DocTrax | i have a problem with kicker |
| 00:21.39 | DocTrax | it freezes from time to time |
| 00:21.56 | thiago | EricCartman: that's morning |
| 00:21.57 | EricCartman | You can try "dcop kicker kicker restart" |
| 00:21.59 | DocTrax | and a few minutes later it defreezes |
| 00:22.30 | DocTrax | hey thats serious cause i cannot start a console |
| 00:23.07 | EricCartman | thiago, with your approach... did I say "3:23 AM is not morning" ? |
| 00:23.41 | DocTrax | hehe |
| 00:23.43 | EricCartman | DocTrax, you can try to use "ALT+F2" to run a command in such occasions. |
| 00:23.50 | EricCartman | Or "killall -9 kicker" |
| 00:24.06 | DocTrax | well |
| 00:24.06 | EricCartman | And from another terminal "kicker --user yourUserName" iirc |
| 00:24.18 | DocTrax | i am interestedin the causes of that |
| 00:24.43 | EricCartman | Well, for that you should tell us when does that happens usually. |
| 00:24.50 | EricCartman | Is that a stable release you are using ? |
| 00:25.30 | DocTrax | no |
| 00:25.37 | DocTrax | its version 3.2.3 |
| 00:25.54 | DocTrax | but 3.2.1 had the same problem |
| 00:26.13 | EricCartman | Well, that's a stable release ;) |
| 00:26.47 | DocTrax | i have got it from unstable/expermental debian relese |
| 00:26.58 | DocTrax | _> sid |
| 00:29.48 | DocTrax | i mentioned that it freezes if i start a lot of (>2) appz from the menu |
| 00:30.40 | EricCartman | Interesting, that's a Windows-like problem. |
| 00:30.50 | DocTrax | so now i am going to create links on the desktop |
| 00:32.21 | DocTrax | addendum: no matter that the appz are loaded completely |
| 00:33.23 | DocTrax | but i have a lot of ram and a big swap |
| 00:34.03 | EricCartman | You can check the CPU consumption at the moment of the freeze |
| 00:34.14 | EricCartman | I'll get some sleep now. |
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| 00:34.19 | EricCartman | Good night. |
| 00:34.20 | DocTrax | g'nite |
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| 00:34.47 | marsjays | is there som way to export my kmail folders to mbox format? |
| 00:40.40 | thiago | marsjays: they are mbox normally |
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| 00:43.52 | marsjays | thiago: mine weren't, the y were maildirs or something like that, but i figured it out |
| 00:43.57 | mgrenon | im googling for a problem about static sound in KDE i hear alot of static coming out of my left speakers but i cant find any resolution in mailing lists.. even disabling arts doesnt help |
| 00:44.20 | thiago | mgrenon: change the sampling frequency to 48000 Hz |
| 00:44.25 | mgrenon | i did |
| 00:44.30 | criswell | for konqueror to browse NetBIOS/SMB/CIFS LANs does it need to have klisa, smbclient, or anything similar running? |
| 00:44.45 | mgrenon | thiago: it didnt do anything at all |
| 00:45.09 | thiago | mgrenon: change that in aRts's config |
| 00:45.30 | thiago | criswell: libsmbclient only, which should have been installed along with kdenetwork-kio_smb |
| 00:45.47 | mgrenon | Control Center > Sound System > Hardware > Use Custom Sampling Rate |
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| 00:46.13 | criswell | thiago, thanks! just what I was looking for! |
| 00:47.46 | mgrenon | thiago: any other suggestions? its still full of static.. es1371 |
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| 00:49.17 | cfk | I'm trying to get the women.kde.org "Simple KDE Application" to work in kdevelop 3. I can get the "Hello World", but I cannot seem to be able to get a simple Qt .ui file to display its button, Can someone offer a suggestion? |
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| 00:53.29 | mgrenon | kde is definately doing something its not telling me |
| 00:53.33 | mgrenon | its pissing me off |
| 00:53.45 | mgrenon | even if i disable arts its still static |
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| 00:53.53 | DocTrax | rehi |
| 00:55.38 | DocTrax | how to change the transparent backgroung of the menus? |
| 00:56.32 | mgrenon | how to read |
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| 00:57.37 | Shayde | hey folks - quicky. is there a way to remove the 'Lock Screen' icon from the KDE 'start' menu? |
| 00:57.46 | Shayde | i've dug all over the place, but can't find where to rmeove it. |
| 00:57.50 | Shayde | (kmenuedit won't do it) |
| 00:58.24 | DocTrax | hmhm |
| 00:58.51 | DocTrax | i think thats a builtin funtion |
| 00:59.21 | DocTrax | at least u need to alter the sourcecode |
| 00:59.26 | Shayde | yah, i have a fellow doing an embedded app and needs to disable that... impossible without a recompile? |
| 00:59.38 | DocTrax | i think so |
| 00:59.43 | Shayde | nuts. k |
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| 01:08.20 | oelewapperke | how do you let the kde bar swallow another application ? |
| 01:08.35 | oelewapperke | I would like an application to run entirely within the kde taskbar |
| 01:08.53 | SecretMethod70 | hello, is there something in KDE that accesses the internet whenever an application is started? |
| 01:09.15 | oelewapperke | yeah we have the carnivore plugin for that SecretMethod70 |
| 01:09.32 | SecretMethod70 | reason I ask is, I have a laptop and the ethernet cord sometimes falls out (it doesn't snap in well) - when it falls out, apps take a LONG time to open |
| 01:10.12 | SecretMethod70 | we've determined that, if eth0 is not up, apps open normally, but if eth0 is up and the cable is unplgged apps take a long time |
| 01:11.12 | SecretMethod70 | and by apps I mean even things that shouldn't need access to the net to start up, such as konsole |
| 01:13.21 | oelewapperke | sjah and you don't want that to happen ? |
| 01:13.22 | cfk | Is it possible you might be seeing an effect from other daemon programs, such as one or more servers running on you laptop that are continually timing out and making any app, be it a kde or other, take a long time to load because of CPU load? |
| 01:13.42 | SecretMethod70 | oelewapperke: no, I would like my apps to load normally ;) |
| 01:14.36 | SecretMethod70 | efk, no, it's a 3GHz machine, and there's no servers running - this has been tried out on 2 different comps with KDE |
| 01:14.42 | SecretMethod70 | when fluxbox is used, this doesn't happen |
| 01:14.52 | oelewapperke | SecretMethod70 : seriously ... take a look at "top" while doing a load of an app without eth0 |
| 01:15.07 | SecretMethod70 | k.. |
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| 01:16.36 | h2k | if i click icon on dektop, it inverts its colors, why/how can i turn it off? |
| 01:16.45 | fogrot | In KDE's pager, for each screen, I have a single pixel dot at the lower left and right corners of each screen... |
| 01:16.49 | fogrot | How can I get rid of those? |
| 01:16.57 | fogrot | What is that? |
| 01:17.15 | GimpKDE | Hey i have a quick question... Does any one happen to have the OLD OLD open source for Yahoo messenger? |
| 01:17.17 | h2k | erm ... dot? ;) |
| 01:17.21 | fogrot | yes, a pixel |
| 01:17.25 | GimpKDE | I'm working on a Gaim plugin and i really need that script to see the lay out of a couple commands.. |
| 01:18.09 | fogrot | so, for 4 workspaces, I have *8* pixels there |
| 01:18.20 | fogrot | in the lower left and right corners of each workspace |
| 01:18.54 | SecretMethod70 | just tried watching top when loading another konsole while the cable was disconnected but eth0 was "up" - still took a long time and the CPU was only 5% used |
| 01:19.39 | cfk | SecretMethod70: What happens when you load a program that is not a KDE application. Do you see the same behavior? |
| 01:20.33 | SecretMethod70 | one sec lemme try that |
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| 01:21.40 | deedubb | Does Noatun support any output methods other then arts? |
| 01:24.09 | SecretMethod70 | yes, it takes a long time when the cable is disconnected for non-kde apps too - only thing noticable in top is that kdeinit goes up 3% CPU usage |
| 01:24.37 | h2k | deedubb, no |
| 01:27.26 | deedubb | So whats the best media player I can get for KDE that supports direct ALSA output? XMMS? |
| 01:28.01 | h2k | alsaplayer? |
| 01:28.13 | h2k | what do you mean "best media player" |
| 01:28.18 | h2k | mplayer then ;) |
| 01:28.33 | SecretMethod70 | anyone have any ideas what it would be? Is this a bug or the result of something intentionally done by the KDE developers? |
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| 01:29.41 | h2k | if i click icon on dektop, it inverts its colors, why/how can i turn it off? |
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| 01:32.07 | deedubb | Icons in the Control Center? Try disable any of the fancy icon effects |
| 01:32.50 | cfk | SecretMethod70: Well, then I guess you have proven that its not KDE talking on the internet. Remember, that there are a number of daemons running in virtually all Linux systems, many more then you might think. Just sendmail, for instance, could have an effect. Or xinetd, or any one of several dozen others. |
| 01:34.36 | SecretMethod70 | ok, can you explain how this is proven? Cause I don't quite get it |
| 01:40.47 | cfk | SecretMethod70: If you run ntsysv, you will see a list of all the services running in your computer. Virtually all of them listen on a "port" with eth0. If eth0 is up, but disconnected, then your nic will return a "carrier off" error in the midst of just checking the port. That takes between 10ms - 500ms each for all the active services running on your computer to each determine the "carrier is off", all individually, one at a time. |
| 01:42.39 | SecretMethod70 | here's the thing, when the ethernet cable is disconnected, there's no jump in activity at all |
| 01:44.09 | cfk | SecretMethod70: Well, if a non-KDE application also takes a long time to load, then its not a KDE issue. I was merely proposing one of several theories that might explain your behavior. |
| 01:45.36 | SecretMethod70 | So, why is it when running fluxbox, applications run fine, even when the cab;e is unplugged and eth0 stays up? |
| 01:45.50 | SecretMethod70 | Wouldn't it affect the apps in fluxbox if it wasn't a KDE issue? |
| 01:47.20 | cfk | SecredMethod70: Dont know what a fluxbox is. |
| 01:47.49 | SecretMethod70 | fluxbox is a window manager. Based on blackbox. |
| 01:49.17 | cfk | SecretMethod70: Sorry. Cant help you more. The original premise was KDE talking on the internet. I believe you have proven to yourself that is not the case. As for what it is, I cannot help you any further. |
| 01:49.19 | SecretMethod70 | The point is that when running KDE, all applications take a while to open when eth0 is up but the network port is unplugged. When not running KDE, they open fine. |
| 01:50.03 | SecretMethod70 | Does anyone else realize that I did not submit any such proof? |
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| 01:56.13 | Flak | what does kde arts do? |
| 01:56.26 | SecretMethod70 | it's the sound daemon |
| 01:58.02 | Flak | ok, well i am on fedora core 2 using kde 3.2 , and on red hat 8 (dont know what version of KDE) and when i try and play a sound nothing happens, then when i log out of kde the sound plays, so i noticed that if i killed KDE arts (the process) sound woked in both distros. (Sound works in gnome fine) |
| 01:58.26 | SecretMethod70 | what app are you using to play sound? |
| 01:58.48 | SecretMethod70 | it's probably trying to go through something other than arts |
| 01:59.36 | Flak | xmms, and the fedora sound card detection program, xmms tells me another program is using the sound card, and i remembered a post on a forum once about killing kde arts to get the sound to work, thats the only reason i tried that |
| 01:59.45 | SecretMethod70 | or... |
| 02:00.04 | thiago | Flak: configure xmms to play using aRts |
| 02:00.06 | SecretMethod70 | in xmms go to options, preferences... |
| 02:00.08 | thiago | that's the correct solution |
| 02:00.16 | SecretMethod70 | and configure the output plugin to use arts |
| 02:00.52 | Flak | oh ok, and what about the sound card detection program? Could it just be gnome happy like fedora? I should try playing malestorm on kde. |
| 02:01.13 | thiago | what sound card detection program? |
| 02:01.57 | Flak | a redhat thing, it comes with redhat and fedora |
| 02:02.13 | thiago | ok, what about it? |
| 02:02.23 | thiago | it should be a level below aRts, not up |
| 02:02.38 | Flak | when i click test sound, nothing happens then if i log off it starts playing the test sound hehe |
| 02:02.44 | thiago | ah |
| 02:02.45 | thiago | I see |
| 02:02.56 | thiago | it talks directly to the sound card, bypassing aRts |
| 02:03.04 | Flak | yeah i guess so |
| 02:03.06 | thiago | you shouldn't be using it inside KDE anyways |
| 02:03.14 | Flak | yeah |
| 02:03.37 | Flak | i think fedora and redhat are gnome focused, but im just trying them both out to see what i like |
| 02:03.52 | thiago | GNOME has the same problem because they use esd |
| 02:05.02 | Flak | some reason the detection program works in it though |
| 02:05.23 | thiago | probably because esd is releasing the sound card and artsd isn't |
| 02:05.39 | thiago | you can configure artsd to release the sound card after a while after the last sound |
| 02:05.40 | Flak | yeah |
| 02:05.49 | thiago | normally 60 seconds, but maybe that's too long for you |
| 02:06.11 | Flak | its not a big deal, i was cerious, up to today i didnt even have sound hehe, had to get a new card that would work with the alsa driver set :-/ |
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| 02:08.26 | Flak | thanks for your help guys, take care |
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| 02:12.06 | mgrenon | alright ive been looking for a long time, i can't get my speakers to stop static.. even if i turn alts off, or set the sampling rate to 48000 |
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| 02:18.07 | thiago | in any program? |
| 02:18.11 | thiago | even when not using aRts? |
| 02:18.39 | mgrenon | yes |
| 02:18.43 | mgrenon | thiago: ALL the time |
| 02:18.50 | mgrenon | its always buzzing |
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| 02:19.19 | mgrenon | KDE is gorgeous but its really getting on my nerves, especially when it comes to google |
| 02:19.19 | thiago | what sound card? |
| 02:19.25 | mgrenon | es1371 |
| 02:19.34 | thiago | how can Google be of an issue? |
| 02:19.41 | thiago | can't help with that card |