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00:03.30aBs0lut30is it a known bug to have kio windows get stuck on top of the screen??
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00:30.28SheElfhi
00:31.52Ubelhello
00:32.02Dhraakelliangot a question?
00:32.21aBs0lut30is it a known bug to have kio windows get stuck on top of the screen??
00:32.54SheElfhow to make kde uses xcursur entirely
00:35.41SheElfany answer
00:37.10Dhraakelliannot from me.  :(
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01:14.01_ScropCan I have it so that files with long names have shorter names in KDE? thisisafile becomes thisisa.. for example. This is causing a mess on my desktop and in some folders.
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01:16.42matr1xgood question
01:17.01matr1xi dont think its been done yet
01:17.14matr1xits really the major place where kde needs work
01:17.29matr1xon the desktop screen
01:17.29tprit only wraps it here..
01:17.48tprI think someone should fill a wish at bugs.kde.org ..
01:18.21matr1xi wish the kde desktop had a tandy deskmate style feature-set
01:18.48tprwhat do you mean?
01:18.49matr1xbut that will never happen unless i do it myself
01:19.21matr1xwell, tandy deskmate was an old desktop shell for DOS that ran on most early tandys
01:20.03matr1xthe closest thing to it today would be how kde has karamba
01:20.10matr1xbut even karamba isnt anything close
01:20.34matr1xhttp://www.sunrizen.com/resumes/deskmate/deskmate.htm'
01:20.47matr1xerr without the final '
01:20.50matr1xthats a bunch of tandy screenshots
01:21.06matr1xit was very well designed for a home desktop
01:21.30tprI don't understand..
01:21.50matr1xthere are certain things that it could do that i havent seen since
01:22.03matr1xthe icons seemed to snap into a grid
01:22.07matr1xwhich is probably how it was done
01:22.16matr1xi liked OS/2 as well
01:22.26Dhraakellianthree words: right click drag
01:22.54matr1xwell thats not really THAT important is it
01:23.16Dhraakellianright-click drag was an AWESOME feature
01:23.21matr1xwhy so
01:23.39Dhraakellianit left (no pun intended) hte left button free for selection
01:24.16Dhraakellianclick on an icon, drag over all the icons you want selected... (could be in any shape, not necessarily a rectangle)
01:24.16matr1xit seems free to me now
01:24.52matr1xi also liked windows 3.1's program manager
01:25.10Dhraakellianno ctrl+click, ctrl+click, ctrl+click, etc needed
01:26.52matr1xi suppose to take it to the step id like, youd be able to divide the desktop background into zones, and those zones could blend in with the background and hold icons, or a simple file manager
01:27.13matr1xthe biggest problem right now is there seems to be no effort to making the desktop root shell useful
01:27.35matr1xicon alignment is horrible in 3.14 (i havent tried 3.2 to be honest)
01:28.20matr1xin fact one idiot gnome user (he isnt an idiot because he uses gnome, he's an idiot for other reasons) uses that an example of why he hates kde
01:28.50tprhmm, how it's horrible?
01:28.53matr1xanyways ive vented my thoughts :)
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01:30.52tprwell, nites now.
01:30.52pvalleywhat is the easiest way to update kde
01:30.52matr1xwell, he claims its because the icon names dont cut off, and me in particular i dislike how the icons are sorted. there doesnt appear to be any sort of auto-align, and its very minimalistic in approach
01:31.21tprhmm, in 3.2 there's auto aligment, I think..
01:31.32matr1xthe use of the root menu in kde is very poor
01:31.47matr1xtpr perhaps, but the root menu is vastly underused. thats why karamba exists
01:31.49tprbut anyways I'm not using desktop icons at all..
01:32.09matr1xwhy would you, its poorly implemented :)
01:32.22matr1xits like owning a pda that has only 5 minutes of charge and saying "i dont use my pda much"
01:32.22Dhraakellianfloppy, cdrom, zipdisk
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01:32.27Dhraakellianfor easy mounting
01:32.37Dhraakellianand trash, so it makes an even square
01:32.48tprwell, I have always windows on top of the desktop so I don't see it at all usually.
01:33.02matr1xwell thats where the hide button comes in
01:33.10matr1xto easily access your desktop
01:33.16matr1xyour root desktop that is
01:33.34Dhraakellianall my application launching stuff is done from kicker
01:33.44Dhraakellianmuch smaller and more space efficient that way
01:33.44tprwell, I don't know why should I use desktop icons as I can launch the apps from kicker or from console.
01:33.57matr1xwell you dont have to
01:34.05tprI've almost everything I need in kicker :)
01:34.08matr1xbut some peoples thought processes work differently
01:34.13Dhraakellianor application launcher in kicker
01:35.38matr1xanyways, like i said i dont expect anything to be done about it
01:35.42matr1xits just a wish of mine
01:35.47matr1xsince we were talking about wishes
01:36.12Dhraakelliangive me right click drag in KDE, and I will be a very happy person
01:37.10Dhraakellianand the OS/2 widget style
01:37.26matr1xi wonder why kde has an online dictionary, but doesnt make use of any offline dictionaries
01:42.09tprmatr1x, well, make a wish at bugs.kde.org and maybe it'll get implemented..
01:42.14tprmatr1x, or implement it yourself .)
01:42.25tprDhraakellian, have you made a wish?
01:43.09Dhraakellianofficially? no
01:44.08matr1xwell i dont care if theres no offline dictionary, i just find it peculiar
01:44.09tprwell, maybe you should?
01:44.24tprmatr1x, what do you mean with those dictionaries?
01:44.28matr1xif they wanted us to make wishes thered be a wish.kde.org
01:44.35matr1xkdict is an online dictionary for kde
01:44.41matr1xbut kde doesnt have an offline dictionary
01:44.49matr1xit comes with kdict though
01:44.55matr1xi just find that strange
01:45.06tprah, kdict is just a frontend for some online dictionaries..
01:45.09greppermatr1x: its just a front end, install dictd
01:45.09matr1xyah
01:45.14grepperand dictionaries
01:45.27grepperwhy reinvent the wheel ?
01:45.28tprmatr1x, you can wish for wish.kde.org, if you want to..
01:46.28matr1xyou know, if a leprechaun can grant wishes, why dont they grant themselves wishes for more gold.
01:46.58matr1xone of those mysteries of the unknown i guess
01:47.55Dhraakellianheh
01:51.50tprwell, I'll go to get some sleep now, nites you all.
01:51.59Dhraakellianheh
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02:04.16Dhraakellianhey, cool... Thunderbird didn't see the bugs.kde.org password email as spam
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02:08.33fooif someone menu disappears
02:08.35foowhat should they do
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02:11.24Glidek, total newb question, is there a way to start superkaramba at kde startup so it runs in the background?
02:11.56annmawhen you log out from kde, leave super karamba running
02:12.08Glideah, thx
02:12.10annmait'll start when you start kde next time
02:12.14Glideknew it was simple
02:12.22foomy kde menu is empty
02:12.23annma:)
02:12.24foothere is nothing in it
02:12.30fooi dont know why
02:12.32fooi have restarted everything
02:12.35fooany ideas?
02:12.35annmafoo: what kde version? what distro?
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02:12.43annmaif you say gentoo, I scream
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02:13.17BoChii had this issue with gentoo and beta1
02:13.17annmafoo: distro?
02:13.19Dhraakellian,':-|
02:13.28annmaBoChi: yes
02:13.33BoChibeta2 works fine
02:13.41annmasome had it with beta2
02:13.54BoChihmm
02:14.16annmafoo: are you there?
02:14.28annmaI scared the guy ;)
02:14.59BoChibut i had the same problem with suse
02:14.59BoChiso it wasn't a distribution specific prob
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02:16.03annmaBoChi: I think it was a beta1 bug, was fixed the next day
02:16.08annmaafterall, it was beta
02:16.17BoChiof course
02:16.18annmabeta1 was worse than alpha
02:16.28annmabad timing
02:16.31BoChiwell, but it was stable ;)
02:16.42BoChieven if i had to start kwin manually
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02:16.48BoChi:-)
02:16.52annmait's always stable
02:17.05annmaI mean, I use cvs HEAD and have no major problems
02:17.08fooanma: sorry.. kdebase-common-3.1.3-79.1.92mdk for mdk 9.2
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02:17.27BoChibeta2 is pretty good already
02:17.31BoChisome khtml bugs
02:17.33BoChikmenuedit
02:17.48BoChibut its good at all
02:17.48Glidek, part 2 of newb question, I start superkaramba from the konsole, but when I shut down and restart, all I get is an open konsole, no superkaramba, what am I doing wrong?
02:17.56annmafoo: 3.1.3 from mandrake is ok
02:18.57annmafoo: no problem in installing it? is it a fresh install?
02:19.01BoChiGlide, put a file into your ~kde/.Autostart which contains #!/bin/bash ; superkaramba /path/to/your/theme.theme and chmod it to u+x
02:19.15annmaGlide: ah, from console, yes, it won't type the program name
02:19.16BoChithis will start it when kde starts
02:19.49BoChiactually it's ~/.kde/Autostart 8)
02:19.50Glidethx bochi
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02:19.51annmaGlide: my fault, i thought superkaramba was started as every other app, from the K menu
02:19.55GasolinHello
02:19.59fooannma: Gasolin is the one with the problem
02:20.07fooGasolin: no problem in installing it? is it a fresh install?
02:20.11Glideno probls :)
02:20.26annmaGlide: :) ok
02:20.42GasolinIt's an update, no problem during install, and it updated well until now
02:20.52annmaupdate from what?
02:21.31Gasolinannma: from mdk update and contrib sources
02:21.46annmawhat kde did you have before?
02:22.42annmaGasolin: I see that the mandrake packages are split into several
02:22.47Gasolinannma: Yes
02:23.08annmacan you do a
02:23.14annmarpm -qa |grep kdebase
02:23.14Gasolinannma: well I can't remember the kde version related to 9.1 but the net should give an answer
02:23.27Gasolinannma: Right now, I have kdebase-common-3.1.3-79.1.92mdk
02:23.32annmaand paste the result?
02:23.39annmaand that;s all?
02:23.47annmaonly that from kdebase?
02:24.13Gasolinannma: and also libkdebase4-3.1.3-79.1.92mdk kdebase-nsplugins-3.1.3-79.1.92mdk kdebase-kdm-config-file-3.1.3-79.1.92mdk kdebase-progs-3.1.3-79.1.92mdk kdebase-servicemenu-1.0-12mdk
02:24.18annmaI have mdk 9.2 however I use kde from cvs HEAD
02:24.48annmaand kdebase?
02:25.10Gasolinannma: Sorry?
02:25.19annmayou should also have kdebase-3.1.3-79.1.92mdk
02:25.25annmado you have it?
02:26.05Gasolinannma: Doesn't seem so (though I have no idea why) but rpm -qa kdebase doens't return anything
02:26.19annmarpm -qa |grep kdebase
02:26.24annmadon't forget the grep
02:26.45annmacopy and paste my command into a konsole and see the result
02:26.49Gasolinannma: Well it will return the result I just gave you
02:26.54Gasolinannma: Alright, and sorry for the flood then
02:27.02Gasolinrpm -qa | grep kdebase
02:27.08annmaopen drakconf and software management
02:27.12Gasolinkdebase-nsplugins-3.1.3-79.1.92mdk
02:27.12Gasolinkdebase-kdm-config-file-3.1.3-79.1.92mdk
02:27.12Gasolinkdebase-progs-3.1.3-79.1.92mdk
02:27.12Gasolinkdebase-servicemenu-1.0-12mdk
02:27.12Gasolinkdebase-common-3.1.3-79.1.92mdk
02:27.40annmaI don't understand how kdebase can be missing and the rest installed
02:27.49Gasolinannma: I don't either
02:28.07annmawith drakconf, type kdebase in the install packages section
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02:28.15annmasee what comes up
02:28.46annmain case it does not work, maybe go to #mandrake, people here are very helpful
02:29.11Gasolini have a kdebase-3.1.3-79mdk and a kdebase-3.1.3-79.1.92mdk also
02:29.58annmawhere?
02:30.07annmain the install software?
02:30.09Gasolinannma: From the updates source
02:30.15Gasolinannma: I used rpmdrake...
02:30.15annmainstalled?
02:30.27Gasolinannma: Installing
02:31.03annmarpmdrake in the install section in drakconf
02:31.10annmain/is
02:31.27annmayou mean you are installing that now ?
02:33.12GasolinYeah, I typed kdebase, and installed the kdebase-3.1.3-79.1.92mdk (after all, it seems like that one is the right one considering my deps)
02:33.31annmahmm
02:33.42annmatry restarting after
02:34.47BoChiall the world i've seen before me passing byyyeyey
02:34.58Gasolinannma: Restarting KDE?
02:35.10Gasolinannma: I did, it didn't change: I have the KDE menu, but not the Mandrake menu
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02:38.14GlideBoChi, almost there, it comes up telling me "Sorry, cannot find program"
02:38.50BoChipaste your script
02:39.01Glidei created a file called superkarambastart in my ~/.kde/Autostart folder, and made it executable
02:39.29BoChiyeah
02:39.35BoChiand what does the file contain?
02:39.41Glide#!/bin/bash ; /home/mbonar/superkaramba-0.33/src/superkaramba /home/mbonar/superkaramba-0.33/src/liquid_weather_plus/liquid_weather.theme
02:40.16BoChidelete the ; and make a new line
02:40.30BoChiand... i dont think that is the correct path to your superkaramba executable
02:40.43Glidethat's where i installed it
02:40.55BoChitype "which superkaramba"
02:41.22Glidereturns nothing
02:41.42Glidedoes it need to be started?
02:41.57BoChigo to /home/mbonar/superkaramba-0.33 and type make install as root
02:42.07Glide#!/bin/bash/home/mbonar/superkaramba-0.33/src/superkaramba /home/mbonar/superkaramba-0.33/src/liquid_weather_plus/liquid_weather.theme
02:42.13Glidelooks like that now
02:42.23BoChiah no
02:42.34BoChimake a new line after /bin/bash
02:43.32Glideit appears as two lines, just pastes funny
02:43.48BoChiokay
02:44.06BoChi<BoChi> go to /home/mbonar/superkaramba-0.33 and type make install as root <-
02:44.19Glidedone, still returns nothing
02:44.44BoChihmm
02:45.02Glidewhere should the executable go?
02:45.05BoChias user or as root?
02:45.09Glideroot
02:45.14BoChitry as user
02:45.23BoChimaybe there is something missing in $PATH for root
02:45.35jorgpif type "which superkaramba" returns nothing, then superkaramba exec is not in your path
02:45.49Gliderunning suse 9.0
02:46.02BoChido yast -i superkaramba then
02:46.32Glideyast not found, duh
02:46.44Glidemaybe my path is hosed
02:46.51jorgpGlide: are you logged in as root?
02:47.38Glidecho $PATH/home/mbonar/raserver/bin:/home/mbonar/raserver/bin:/home/mbonar/raserver/bin:/home/mbonar/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/opt/gnome/bin:/opt/kde3/bin:/usr/lib/java/jre/bin
02:47.41Glideneg
02:48.23jorgpdid you compile superkaramba from source?
02:48.30Glideyes
02:48.58jorgpdid you compile it with --prefix=/opt/kde3 ?
02:49.05Glideno
02:49.14jorgpdoh
02:49.37jorgptry that
02:51.05BoChiwell, use the suse package
02:51.20BoChiGlide, if you're using suse yast _is_ installed
02:51.22Glidethere's a suse package?
02:51.37BoChitype as root: yast -i superkaramba
02:51.44Glidei use yast all the time, but never from the command line
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02:52.35Glideyast did not find superkaramba
02:52.35BoChiits faster if you know which package to install
02:52.39jorgpGlide: it does not look like you are logged in as root because none of the sbin paths are in your path
02:53.03BoChiGlide, yea, sorry
02:53.08BoChiits yast -i karamba
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02:54.37Glideit finds karamba, but no superkaramba
02:54.50BoChiisnt it the same? :P
02:55.01Glidebeats me :)
02:55.02jorgpno
02:55.24jorgpsuperkaramba is a superset of karamba
02:57.52Glidek, karamba is installed
02:59.15Glide#!/bin/bash/karamba /home/mbonar/superkaramba-0.33/src/liquid_weather_plus/liquid_weather.theme
02:59.22Glidelooks like that now
02:59.36Glidesans /
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03:10.15Glidewill karamba run superkaramba themes?
03:10.50Glidethe script didn't load
03:12.03Ubelnope...
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04:14.57oneforallI just looked in konq and see kcore  program crash data 384meg  in /proc dir . there  a way to clean that up ?
04:19.59grepperoneforall: not coincidentally, that is the amount of memory on your system ;)
04:22.17grepperdon't delete this file, it has nothing to do with kde
04:24.35oneforalloh yeah kcore aint kde damn sometimes the names that get picked make you think of the wrong things eh :)
04:25.05grepperdon't worry, it doesn't really take up 384megs
04:25.38oneforallwas the program crash part to that made me think of kde . kde keeping a crash record that has biult up to 384 megs :0
04:25.58grepperheh
04:26.15grepperif you google, you will see you are not the first to make a similar error ;)
04:26.55oneforalllol
04:27.15oneforalltring to clean up my system here getting really full again
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04:28.16Buffonhi
04:28.29oneforallthanks
04:28.34greppernp
04:29.08oneforallglad i thought aboout asking first befor I deleted it :)
04:29.55grepperheh
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05:04.31oneforallI wish there was a good place to go and find out how to tweek linux . mem ,resources etc . with the one that you wanrt to run and not that famous comment of "turn them off" . :)
05:04.52oneforallthe one/the ones
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05:12.59Caimlasdoes anyone here know of a recent/stable KDE3.2 build/deb repository? I'm using one from the 11-04, and kdeinit blows up whenever I close a konqueror instance.
05:20.54joseanyone have embedded realplayer working with konqueror?
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07:54.27reyndoes kde have a friendlier qcanvas widget, that can be used in designer ?
07:55.11oneforallhey there an app to make the keyboard a midi for linux ?
07:58.16oneforalldesigner whats that ?
08:00.30reynits an ide to do qt/kde form layout
08:18.26reynugh, does kde have a qmake alternative ? How do I know what libs to include for a specific kde widget ?
08:24.22reynah, kdeui
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11:14.06glickexcuse me does anyone here use korganizer?
11:17.46ludwigi do
11:24.28glickludwig, when you save you are ask to name a calender file
11:24.45glicki dont understand do you just save to the same file every time or what?
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11:32.23ludwigi just make a calendar.ics somewhere
11:32.27ludwigand use that all the time
11:32.38glicki got it, thanks
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11:38.02knoppixhi all, wondering if there is a way to detect a screen blank event occuring from kscreensaver using dcop or something?
11:42.06Dhraakellianquick question: how does one run multiple x sessions on one computer?
11:42.29DhraakellianI seem to remember it being something like "startx --:1" or something like that, but it's not working
11:42.38drWormstartx -- :1 i think
11:42.47Dhraakellianwith the space?
11:42.51drWormyes
11:43.08drWorm-- is just a delimiter, not an option prefix :)
11:43.08ludwig-- is just to terminate the options
11:43.23Dhraakellianbingo!
11:43.24Dhraakellianthanks
11:43.41ludwigit's standard. many programs use -- like that
11:43.53drWormprobably posix
11:44.02ludwiglike, to delete a file called -rf, you use rm -- -rf :)
11:45.10Dhraakelliannow to go try this on a computer that can handle multiple x sessions with more finesse than this old celeron 400MHz with 128MB RAM
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12:12.00eille-lahey there
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12:30.16slainer68When I browse with Konqueror folders containing some files (enough to be able to use the mouse wheel to scroll the files) if I put the cursor on a file, the file tips box appears, then if I use the mouse wheel to scroll up or down
12:30.17slainer68, the parts of the icons that were hidden by the file tips box are not refreshed at all.
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13:14.58HelmholtzAfter 10 hours of work I can not fix a cursor size problem I have in KDE 3, can some charitable one help?
13:16.03evmiis there a tool for grabbing X window that also grabs the mouse cursor?
13:16.19HelmholtzThe problem is that I have problems seeing the cursor as it is too small and I am getting old:-). But simply selecting preferences large cursor will do nothing
13:16.48HelmholtzIt seems also to depend on the user I use to log in. And the problem is KDE for outside is fine.
13:17.06HelmholtzIn summary where does KDE 3 reads the cursor file from ?
13:17.42HelmholtzI thought it was in .kde/share/fonts but it does not lead me to anywhere
13:19.10HelmholtzPlease I need some ideas
13:22.16HelmholtzJesus, I thought this was the place to ask, but this look like pretty dead
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13:23.17ddaaIs that a easter a egg of sorts? My KDE clock is displaying "Los Angeles" time...
13:23.37ddaauser error
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13:25.23sleon|tuXwhere to get the description of kde classes?
13:25.42sleon|tuXfrom
13:26.08HelmholtzCan at least someone say me if the upgrade to KDE 3.2 from KDE 3.0 is too painfull in RedHat 8 with XFree86 4.2 ?
13:26.31drWormsleon|tuX:  http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/index.html
13:26.42sleon|tuXthx, drWorm
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14:07.31cranchI have a really dumb question.  How do I change the icon for the trashcan on KDE 3.1.4?
14:07.49cranchWhen I right click it, I change the icon that appears when its full..
14:10.12sleon|tuXcranch: hm
14:11.41cranchif I change themes, the trash icon changes (icon themes that is)
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16:35.33TakezoHello all, I am currently using slackware and would like to update KDE (3.1) to the latest version using cvs. Is anyone familiar with udating KDE using this method?
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17:59.43josecan someone on Gentoo test RealPlay8/9 netscape plugin for Konqueror functionality?
18:00.09BoChii'm using mplayerplug-in for playing real stuff
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18:01.15BoChiall mozilla plugins work in konqui
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18:02.19joseRP 8/9 don't for me tho, i'll look ino that in the meantime
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18:52.56whitehat3i'm using k3b-0.10.3 on FC1 and when I select burn the burn dialog box just hangs and i see no activity on the burner.  ideas?
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18:53.25AssociateXHello peopel
18:53.29AssociateXpeople*
18:53.55AssociateXwhere is the file that I put things in to autostart on X with kde?
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19:06.08AssociateXHello people
19:06.23AssociateXI figured out the autostart thing
19:06.31AssociateXis anyone out there?
19:06.35Markeyand the crowd goes wild
19:07.10AssociateX:o)
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19:09.22Osatohappy new year!!! i have to go...
19:09.33AssociateXI am having a problem with my menu. I move open office under Applications now it's gone and so is my office dir on the menu. Why is this?
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19:10.34StormchaserGreetings!
19:10.39AssociateXis there a menu-update?
19:10.45AssociateXor the like?
19:11.53whitehat3AssociateX: what gui are you using?
19:11.58AssociateXkde
19:12.33AssociateXthat's why I'm here.
19:12.36whitehat3there is an option in the control centre for adding/moving/editing menu items.
19:12.47AssociateXok
19:12.51AssociateXI'll look
19:13.00whitehat3select the Control Centre from the KDE menu in the bottom left corner
19:13.10StormchaserI have a queston: how can you (in KMail) set a filter for the .exe lines? If I set the filter to .exe, then it filters out all the messagess having "exe" inside, ignorig the dot before... Ideas?
19:13.28whitehat3AssociateX: select Desktop->Panels->Menus
19:13.48whitehat3AssociateX: edit to your heart's content.
19:14.07whitehat3AssociateX: select Edit K Menu
19:14.33AssociateXthat is the tool I was using, but when I moved a dir and an app they disappeared
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19:15.07whitehat3AssociateX: did you click the Apply button?
19:15.22AssociateXyes
19:15.42whitehat3it's possible that you may have moved them in a menu item either one above or one below.
19:15.54AssociateXI'll check
19:15.57whitehat3look at the menu items one or two below to see if they are there.
19:16.57AssociateXI looked through them but nothing
19:19.21AssociateX<PROTECTED>
19:19.33Markeyhey stormy
19:19.54Stormchaseryoyo, Markey! :)
19:19.58Markey=)
19:20.16StormchaserMarkey: have a happy new year :)
19:20.26Markeythx Stormchaser, u 2 :)
19:20.28AssociateXit would be nice if there was a xml option for the menu structure instead of the complicated dir structure that kde uses now.
19:21.16AssociateXkde is rather slick otherwise
19:21.31StormchaserMarkey: just informational: what are you doing behind the computer? Aren't you supposed to be celebrating somewhere?
19:21.38Wimpie-http://www.xfree86.org/#news <-- Seen this?
19:22.28MarkeyStormchaser: well I'll skip the celebrating this time, just some nice wine and so hax0ring for me ;)
19:22.47StormchaserMarkey: you geek :)
19:23.00MarkeyWimpie-: loooooong beard
19:23.55whitehat3AssociateX: I'm thinking that you could hit the "Defaults" button in the main Control Panel
19:24.18whitehat3AssociateX: however, are you may know it will reset other paramters.  
19:24.46AssociateXgrrrr
19:24.55whitehat3AssociateX: However, if you can find where KDE hide the defaults then you could use that info
19:25.00AssociateXI added a lot of files to the list too
19:25.14whitehat3AssociateX: do you remember which menu items's you moved?
19:25.25AssociateXone dir called office
19:25.36whitehat3Ok.
19:25.57whitehat3you can just create another one
19:26.03AssociateXit had like three or four apps in it
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19:26.40whitehat3go to the top of the menu tree and right click and select new item
19:26.51whitehat3type Office
19:27.01AssociateXjust did
19:27.27AssociateXI hit apply but it still did not show up
19:27.59whitehat3a dialog box should display when you click New Item
19:28.11whitehat3there is not Apply button for that dialog box
19:28.16whitehat3however,
19:28.21Stormchaserwhitehat3: I think, that there is a bug in it...
19:28.41StormchaserAssociateX: you could still try kfindapplication...
19:28.43AssociateXI added an app
19:29.05StormchaserAssociateX: as new group or new item?
19:29.10AssociateXnow it shows but just what I put in it, not the old stuff
19:29.11whitehat3AssociateX: sorry.  i'm bouncing between a number of chats and I thougth you were in a fedora chat.
19:29.32AssociateXI'll look at kappfinder now
19:30.03whitehat3you can type which <application> at the command line
19:31.14AssociateXtheres that office dir that disappeared earlier in kappfinder, had ghostview in it, cool, I hope it adds
19:31.29AssociateXI meant X PDF
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19:32.38AssociateXis it not suggested to add/move/delete files and dir manually for the start menu?
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19:35.36AssociateXkappfinder did not add the apps that I selected...
19:35.40AssociateXhmmmftp
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19:36.11StormchaserAssociateX: whch app you need to add?
19:36.54big_oanyone here played soul calibur 2?
19:37.00whitehat3AssociateX: use which
19:37.09AssociateXkappfinder had about 30 of them, most I did not even care about, but they still did not add
19:37.51whitehat3AssociateX: use which
19:37.57AssociateXgrip is cool, but it did not add
19:38.02whitehat3what applications are you looking for?
19:38.31AssociateXuse which for what?
19:39.00AssociateXI can find apps just fine, it's the not adding to the start menu that is bothering me
19:39.04whitehat3which is a program to locate executibles
19:39.49AssociateXI know about which
19:40.18AssociateXI just want my orignal office dir back in my start menu, lets start there
19:40.38AssociateX***with out loosing all the other apps that I already added.
19:41.44StormchaserAssociateX: for OpenOffice or KOffice?
19:43.24AssociateXOpenOffice
19:43.34AssociateXwait
19:43.59AssociateXI'm using OpenOffice, but the "dir" that I lost was office or Office.
19:44.23whitehat3AssociateX: /bin/ls -la /opt
19:44.46whitehat3AssociateX: do you see the office directory?
19:45.50StormchaserAssociateX: just runa againg OOo-setup, and it will recreate the dir in the kmenu :)
19:48.12AssociateXOpenOffice.org1.1.0  blackdown-jdk-1.4.1  legends   quake3-demo  ut2003-demo
19:48.12AssociateXamericas-army        enemy-territory      netscape  savagedemo
19:48.35whitehat3cool...  cd /opt/OpenOffice*
19:48.42AssociateXno just apps that I added and not all of them
19:49.07whitehat3what version of linux are you using?
19:49.09AssociateXok
19:49.12AssociateXgentoo
19:49.38AssociateXI just never really messed around with kde menus before
19:49.41whitehat3k. not familiar with gentoo but lets continue.
19:49.57whitehat3what version of OO are you using?
19:49.59AssociateXok
19:50.10AssociateX1.0 I think
19:50.16AssociateXlet me check
19:50.23StormchaserAssociateX: running OOo-setup should be enough... Or just running OOo :)
19:50.28Stormchaser1.1.0
19:50.46AssociateXyeah, 1.1.0
19:50.48Stormchaser(says so in the /opt, right?)
19:51.03whitehat3Stormchaser: is OOo a gentoo link to setup?
19:51.04AssociateXyeah
19:51.32Stormchaserwhitehat3: no... It's a link to the OOo application
19:52.08whitehat3hmm.  k. must be differnet because i'm running the tar.gz 1.1.0 OO and no OOo
19:52.12whitehat3just setup
19:52.32AssociateXOOo
19:52.32AssociateXbash: OOo: command not found
19:52.37AssociateXbut ooffice works
19:52.50whitehat3i know they've chenaged their links between 1.0 and 1.1
19:52.56StormchaserAssociateX: oh
19:53.13whitehat3AssociateX: do you see the setup script?
19:53.31whitehat3there should be a "remove/repair and some other option"
19:53.44whitehat3remember you should run ./setup if it's there.
19:53.48whitehat3and not setup
19:54.03Stormchasercd "/opt/OpenOffice.org1.1.0/bin"
19:54.20whitehat3there is no bin directory
19:54.25whitehat3at that level
19:54.26AssociateXI've already been using open office, it's just a matter of it being in the start menu
19:54.55AssociateXbut I have it there now, just not the old "office" ***dir***
19:55.05Stormchasercd /opt/OpenOffice.org1.1.0/program
19:55.41whitehat3AssociateX: K. i was just trying to determin if you actually lost your OO
19:55.49AssociateXoh no
19:55.59AssociateXit still works if I run ooffice
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19:56.28whitehat3AssociateX: i didn't know that before and i wasn't sure what other things you had done
19:57.01AssociateXmaybe it's time for a brandy/coke and some Enemy Territory
19:57.11AssociateX.
19:57.17StormchaserAssociateX: just  cd /opt/OpenOffice.org1.1.0/program and then ./setup...
19:57.36AssociateXStormchaser, what will that do?
19:57.48whitehat3actually the setup program should also be in /opt/OpenOffice.org1.1.0
19:57.55whitehat3and is a link to program/setup
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19:58.26StormchaserAssociateX: just hit "repair" after you ren setup", and that might do the trick
19:58.33AssociateXStormchaser, did it
19:58.39Stormchaserand?
19:58.42AssociateXmenu looks the same though
19:58.53StormchaserAssociateX: Then restart KDE
19:58.59AssociateXbrb
19:59.06whitehat3exit from the menu editor and reenter the menu editor
19:59.35whitehat3i need a long break
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19:59.58Stormchaserand?
20:00.29AssociateXit look the same
20:00.33AssociateXlooks*
20:00.58Stormchaseryou don't have OpenOffice dir?
20:01.17AssociateXI did put AMSN in the autostart dir which just started when I came back. I like that
20:01.37AssociateXjust the one that I made
20:02.13AssociateXStormchaser, but I still dont have my "Office dir", dir, not app.
20:03.12StormchaserWhat does kmenuedit say? Does it show it?
20:03.39AssociateXno
20:03.57AssociateXand I looked through the nearby dir toos
20:04.00AssociateXtoo*
20:04.24StormchaserAssociateX: Oh, then there is something broken...
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20:04.56AssociateXdo you know where to start to fix it?
20:05.17whitehat3AssociateX:  are you selecting "New Item or New Submenu"
20:05.39StormchaserAssociateX: nope... The normal open office launch should recreate the dirs...
20:06.32AssociateXwhitehat3, neither, I just moved a dir then it was gone like the wind
20:06.36StormchaserAssociateX: so if they are not in kmenuedit, then there is something badly broken...
20:07.13whitehat3AssociateX: OK.  press the "New Item" button, fill in a name of Office and hit return
20:07.57StormchaserAssociateX: how about asking this kn of question in #gentoo?
20:08.02Stormchaserkind
20:08.11AssociateXwhitehat3, that I can do, and have done, but it did not bring the apps back that were in the orginal dir.
20:08.21whitehat3that is correct
20:08.27AssociateXbecause its kde related
20:08.37whitehat3it will only create the top level holder for the office applications
20:08.45AssociateXok
20:09.11whitehat3select the Office Item you created then right click that Office
20:09.19whitehat3Item menu and select New Item
20:09.25AssociateXit's most certainly not the end of the world. I'll just hunt down the apps and add them back in
20:09.38whitehat3that will display the appriate dialog box in the right panel
20:09.39StormchaserAssociateX: maybe... Maybe not... You should first ask in the distro's catroom, and then nag around... Maybe is openOffice related, maybe is Gentoo oriented...
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20:10.10AssociateXwell, I ask in gentoo, you are right about that
20:10.16AssociateXI'll*(
20:10.18AssociateXblah
20:10.19Caimlasdoes anyone know of any unofficial (and stable) KDE 3.2 deb packages?
20:10.21AssociateXI'll*
20:10.22Stormchasergood
20:10.39StormchaserCaimlas: #kde-gentoo
20:10.45Stormchaser#kde-debian
20:10.58Caimlasheh
20:10.59Caimlasthanks.
20:13.18Caimlashrm, those guys aren't terrible active
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20:26.56frodo_bagginshi
20:27.09frodo_bagginsI am running KDE 3.2 CVS install
20:27.38frodo_bagginswhen I right click on a icon on my desktop, it does not shade that well. It was a very fuzzy green color. any ideas?
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20:39.14Caimlasnothing like waiting for an answer
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21:10.27sleon|tuXhi all
21:10.29sleon|tuXYES I MADE
21:10.33sleon|tuXIT
21:10.47sleon|tuXkdict can handle now more then one server at once!
21:10.48sleon|tuX:)
21:11.00sleon|tuXbut the interface i produced is so horrible
21:56.27sleon|tuXJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
21:56.29sleon|tuXYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSss
21:56.31sleon|tuXYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSss
21:56.32sleon|tuXcool
21:56.34sleon|tuXit works!
21:56.37sleon|tuXIT WORKS!
21:56.39sleon|tuX!!!
21:56.40sleon|tuX:))))))))))))))))))))
21:56.45sleon|tuXmy first hack for kdict
21:56.47sleon|tuXyesssssssssssssss
21:59.00sleon|tuXWOHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOO
21:59.09sleon|tuXi love qt
21:59.17sleon|tuXit is sooooooooo easy
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22:03.20minuxhi there,i have a computer with a safety/smart card installed, but,i have lost the administration password, do you guys know of any tool i can run to recover it ?
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22:05.22suhcoolbrosleon|tuX: please add timing comparisons and charts showing relative timings of the servers.
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22:06.02sleon|tuXsuhcoolbro: are you kdict developer?
22:06.34sleon|tuXsuhcoolbro: that is still difficult for me, in theree days maybe i will be able to do it :)
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22:09.26enginuitorI have a question...
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22:09.41enginuitorI like having two rows of task buttons in my taskbar...
22:10.00enginuitorBut it will only go to two rows if the panel is above a certain height
22:10.32enginuitorIn order to make it go to two rows, I have to make it so big that it looks ugly
22:10.46suhcoolbrosuhcoolbro: i could be.   ok, three days is fine.
22:10.48enginuitorIs there a way to make it go to two rows at a lower height?
22:10.57suhcoolbrouse qt.  ;)
22:11.04enginuitorlol
22:11.22enginuitorActually, I use qt/embedded on my Zaurus and it's great
22:11.35enginuitorBut I prefer KDE on the desktop
22:12.11suhcoolbrogoes to two rows?  otherwise in one row?
22:12.18enginuitorYeah...
22:12.21suhcoolbroyou want it in a column?
22:12.33enginuitorerm...
22:12.47enginuitorNormally, when you have a bunch of tasks open, they're all lined up in a row...
22:13.03enginuitorBut when you expand the panel to a certain size, you get two rows
22:13.27enginuitorhence room for more tasks to be easily visible
22:14.07suhcoolbrois it related to the font?
22:14.31enginuitorhmm...
22:14.33enginuitormaybe
22:14.38sleon|tuXsuhcoolbro: but what do you mean with relative timings?
22:14.44enginuitorI'll make the font smaller... brb
22:15.11sleon|tuXsuhcoolbro: ping?
22:15.22sleon|tuXsuhcoolbro: i mean, i don't know how to do it
22:16.38enginuitorsuhcoolbro: I set the taskbar font all the way to sans 6...
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22:17.16suhcoolbrosleon|tuX: well, timings for each site (e.g. .012seconds on lookup to server.foo.org) and then with little charts like a network thruput graph -- to be used to compare & relate the servers to each other.
22:17.39enginuitorsuhcoolbro: the text got real small, but the buttons stayed big and fat, and didn't split up
22:18.03suhcoolbroenginuitor: i use Large layout and get two rows.  it's not too awfully ugly.
22:18.06sleon|tuXsuhcoolbro: why do you need it?
22:18.23sleon|tuXsuhcoolbro: there is not so much server out there
22:18.39sleon|tuXsuhcoolbro: and i am happy if i find one supporting my language
22:18.49suhcoolbrosleon|tuX: wouldn't it be cool?   it could track reponse times, errors, uptimes, ...
22:19.18sleon|tuXsuhcoolbro: but do i need this feature if i only want look up a world?
22:19.20sleon|tuXword
22:19.30sleon|tuXwill it not make thigs bloated?
22:19.42suhcoolbrosleon|tuX: why did you want multiple servers?
22:19.49sleon|tuXcause
22:19.54sleon|tuXthe one is only english german
22:19.59sleon|tuXthe other is german russion
22:20.06sleon|tuXand there is no english russian
22:20.18suhcoolbrooh, so it's not about redundancy, it's about getting one of all that you want.
22:20.22sleon|tuXor one is chinese thie
22:20.27sleon|tuXyes
22:20.31sleon|tuXdifferent servers
22:20.36sleon|tuXdifferent dictionaries
22:20.37suhcoolbrowell, still. it's be cool.
22:20.39sleon|tuXand languages
22:20.46suhcoolbroreport the stats to the stats server.
22:21.10sleon|tuXhmm
22:21.40sleon|tuXi must first implement the interface  , which allows user to enter new servers
22:21.45sleon|tuXdelete and edit them
22:22.05sleon|tuXit is not so easy if you never programmed qt and c++ before
22:22.31sleon|tuXnow i can choose from server, which are in the programm hardcoded :))))
22:22.47sleon|tuXin QStringList
22:22.56sleon|tuXand you choose them from KComboBox
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22:29.02sleon|tuXre
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22:29.49delirehow do set Konsol to underline (and make clickable), URL's?
22:30.05delires/Konsol/Konsole
22:30.26Caimlasdoes anyone know of any unofficial (and stable) KDE 3.2 CVS deb packages?
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22:30.54delireCVS? i doubt it.. are you sure you mean CVS deb packages?
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22:34.57Caimlasdelire: i'm not sure, why wouldn't I mean cvs deb packages?
22:35.05Caimlaspackages of kde 3.2's cvs head. whatever.
22:36.00delireCaimlas: CVS is usually for source not packages
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22:36.57Caimlasdelire: I'm aware of that. however, that source can be compiled and made into packages, can it not?
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22:38.34frodo_hi
22:43.43frodo_anyone around?
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22:55.59enginuitorwhat is "sometimes"?
22:56.07enginuitornoticed it on a nmap scan...
22:58.58enginuitorwhoops, wrong channel
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