IRC log for #iteam on 20090610

01:58.36adamorjamestectonic plates that is
02:10.02adamorjameswow
02:10.29adamorjamesin this one photo I look like I'm from an English school
02:10.41adamorjamesgraduation photo
02:10.47adamorjamesthe tie and everything
02:13.46adamorjameshmm
02:14.20adamorjameshey Judo_
02:15.14adamorjamesthis video is way too big for sending over gmail.. I think I will have to scale it and convert it to x264
02:15.34adamorjameshmmm
02:15.55adamorjamesbut.. it's only 34 MB
02:16.12adamorjameswhy doesn't gmail work with large files
02:16.24adamorjamesalways says, "Sending..."
02:16.37adamorjamesI watched a movie and when I came back it still said that
02:17.01adamorjamesand the page thing at the bottom said "Done"
02:17.04adamorjamesgrrr
02:27.30adamorjamesso Judo
02:27.54adamorjamesresize it and use 264 eh?
02:28.05adamorjamesx264
02:28.25adamorjamesrescale...
02:28.29adamorjameshmmm
02:29.03Judodo whatever you want, you know how
02:29.22adamorjameslol
02:29.53adamorjameslots of detail is preserved with x264
02:30.32adamorjamesI have a vid I downloaded before that was super small but great quality because of it
02:31.03adamorjamesJudo: what are you doing?
02:31.44Judochatting on facebook, feeling bored
02:31.51JudoI might go find things my my sasuke costume
02:32.13adamorjamesahhh
02:36.15adamorjamesso
02:36.31adamorjames320x240 is the original resoution
02:36.38adamorjamesI need to make that smaller
02:36.53adamorjamesthat aspect ratio would be
02:36.58adamorjames4:3 I think
02:37.49adamorjamesopen up python in the terminal and time to do some math.. tho I could use ibot...
02:38.50adamorjames240x160
02:39.00adamorjamesok then
02:39.24adamorjameshaha I love using the exit() function
02:39.38Judo320x240 should compress pretty well...
02:39.46adamorjamesoh?
02:40.09adamorjamesit's from a camera so I guess the weak camera used bad compression huh
02:40.32adamorjameshmm
02:40.52Judoprobably mjpeg
02:41.02Judohttp://sandrabrzezina.deviantart.com/art/Pikachu-95373827
02:41.03adamorjamesJudo: tell me what do I type again to go from avi to x264 with all the compression and stuff
02:41.04Judo:3
02:41.11adamorjamesermm
02:41.15Judoum, no?
02:41.16adamorjameswell avi is a container
02:41.17Judoyou should know this
02:41.19adamorjameslol
02:41.24adamorjamesyes I should
02:41.25adamorjamesbut
02:41.29adamorjamesI don't do it enough
02:43.02adamorjamesmencoder input.avi -o output.avi -of avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vpass=1:vcodec=x264 -oac mp3lame -stereo 2
02:43.08adamorjameshmm
02:43.12adamorjamesthat doesn't seem right
02:43.15adamorjameslololol
02:44.01Judonot even close
02:44.01adamorjames:(
02:44.01Judomencoder input.avi -o output.avi -ovc x264 -oac coy -x264encopts pass=1:bitrate=1:etc.
02:44.16adamorjamesooh
02:45.20adamorjamesUnknown suboption coy
02:45.36Judocopy
02:45.43adamorjamesah sry
02:47.59adamorjames115 seconds and a 320x240 res.. man.. how was that 34 MB?
02:48.05adamorjameslol
02:48.35adamorjamesJudo
02:48.36adamorjameswhat is
02:48.39adamorjamesx264 [info]: final ratefactor: 68.17
02:48.50adamorjamesis that compression?
02:49.14adamorjameswow
02:49.34adamorjamesthat looks horrible
02:49.41adamorjamesbitrate needs to go up it seems
02:50.05Judoset the ratefactor to 22 or something
02:50.11Judo68 is hella low quality
02:50.25Judoi think it would be crf=22
02:51.03adamorjameswould that be added on to the x264 enc options?
02:51.54adamorjameswe'll see
02:52.30Judoalthough, if you're doing that, then you're not using the bitrate paramter...
02:52.38Judobut yes, the x264 options
02:53.54adamorjamesawesome
02:54.44adamorjames4 MB looks the same as the original 34 MB
02:54.52adamorjamesmaybe better?
02:54.54adamorjamesxDDDD
02:55.43adamorjameshmmm
02:55.48adamorjamesbut Judo
02:56.20adamorjamesnah nvm
02:56.23adamorjamesit's good
02:58.55adamorjamesjust seems that for some reason there is sync lines or w/e you call them
02:59.32adamorjameshmm
02:59.39adamorjameson the original too..
02:59.42adamorjamesnvm then
02:59.49Judointerlacing?
03:00.06adamorjamesnah
03:00.16adamorjamesmust be something in my xconfig
03:00.25adamorjamesor w/e
03:00.53adamorjamesnvidia issue perhaps
03:04.17adamorjameswould be funny to have interlacing in a 320x240 vid tho
03:37.33Judoso admaorjames, do you know what happens in the next Naruto episode?
03:39.46Judothat stupid filler arc is over...
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04:27.03Judoso... ya'll heard about the new season of Futurama?
04:33.43sykopomp!care
04:37.31JudoFUTURAMA, YOU WHORE, RESPECT IT
04:38.34sykopompno
04:38.36sykopompdon't like it
05:59.38DGMurdockIIIhttps://trac.assembla.com/bdplus/browser/trunk (libbluray, libaacs, etc..)
06:08.18Judohas known since its creation.
06:12.31Judohttp://i.gizmodo.com/5284999/dildroid-runs-on-android-you-know-exactly-what-it-does
06:23.48theY4KmanGuys, I get my fedora tomorrow!
06:24.21JudoI get my Kusanagi tomorrow!
06:25.07JudoI think I want to try to make a fake sword
06:25.07Judolike, made out of word, but it will look perfectly real
06:25.07Judowood*
06:25.07Judowhy do I always made those mistakes?
06:25.07JudoI swear, I must have a disorder
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11:46.47Azzkikrlolz0r
11:48.16Azzkikrwhats with these japanese wannabe's
11:49.42Azzkikrwapanese
11:49.46Azzkikryes, that was the term.
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13:02.55adamorjamesantiyou
13:03.03antiyouhi
15:43.21adamorjamesantiyou: hello
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19:15.41adamorjamesso
19:16.05adamorjameshttp://images1.cdn.fotonauts.com/flickr-2859173596-original.jpg
19:16.34Judothose damn bad koreans
19:17.11adamorjamesxD
19:19.13adamorjameshttp://images3.cdn.fotonauts.com/flickr-2461623176-original.jpg
19:20.09adamorjamesI love the artwork
19:22.46adamorjamesJudo: what is this? http://images1.cdn.fotonauts.com/flickr-3127018857-image.jpg
19:23.08Judothat man's belt is red and black O_O
19:23.12Judohe's at least godan
19:23.21adamorjamesoh?
19:23.33Judo(5th degree black belt)
19:24.06adamorjames"Godaan (गोदान) The Gift of a Cow"
19:24.11adamorjamesoh yes
19:24.14adamorjamesone d
19:24.36adamorjameserm
19:24.36adamorjamesa
19:24.38adamorjamesyes
19:24.44adamorjamesJudo: what are you?
19:24.54JudoI'd rather not say :)
19:25.20adamorjameshmmm?
19:26.01adamorjamesJudo: is that Will Smith? http://images2.cdn.fotonauts.com/flickr-3185668885-image.jpg
19:26.14adamorjamesxD
19:26.15Judono
19:26.26adamorjamesaww...
19:27.03adamorjameswhy is that guy wearing blueeee
19:29.29Judooh damn, DVD Jon violated the GPL
19:29.35adamorjamesJudo is a deshi?
19:29.49Judothe blue gi is usually just for competition
19:30.00Judoit's kind of a tradition, although it was initially started just to tell people apart
19:30.13Judonow it's just an accepted color for anything
19:30.23Judobut any other color would get you boo'd in Japan
19:30.39adamorjamesso..
19:30.47adamorjamesonly blue and white in Japan?
19:31.00adamorjamesJudo: you are a deshi
19:33.43Judowhat is that?]
19:33.59adamorjamesbb in-training
19:34.25sykopompo7
19:34.52sykopompJudo: omg dvd jon violated teh gplz?
19:34.55sykopompwhat happen?!?!?!
19:35.21Judosykopomp: He shot Stallman
19:35.29sykopompnoooooooooo
19:35.52adamorjamesyes
19:48.52adamorjamesso
19:51.13sykopomp<PROTECTED>
19:51.13sykopomp<PROTECTED>
19:51.13sykopomp<PROTECTED>
19:51.13sykopomp<PROTECTED>
19:51.20sykopompfrom my source code.
19:51.39theY4Kmanwat
19:51.46sykopomp:P
19:51.52sykopompit kills wolf dead.
19:51.53adamorjamesIndia has 4 times as many people in their military... they have more honors students than we have students... mmm... India could be the next U.S. someday
19:52.01adamorjamesxD
19:52.09theY4KmanYeah, totally
19:52.13sykopompadamorjames: it's also mostly brown peoples, so it will never be a good country.
19:52.17sykopomppmw
19:52.32adamorjamesThey have half a billion people in the military
19:52.40theY4KmanHow many want to be there?
19:52.41sykopomp!care
19:52.57adamorjameswe have 144 million
19:53.02theY4KmanHow many are trained as well as our military?
19:53.27theY4KmanAs we've seen hundreds of times before, the numbers don't matter if they're unskilled
19:53.37adamorjamesehhhh
19:53.47sykopompadamorjames: the russian military in WW2 was massive. It doesn't help to have a ton of people when you have to put soldiers in line, and have the ones in the back grab the gun from the one that got shot.
19:53.54adamorjamesthey have more honors students than we have students
19:54.00adamorjamesso
19:54.07adamorjamesthey are skilled it seems
19:54.09theY4KmanWhat defines honors student?
19:54.16sykopompeducation is clearly a waste of money
19:54.29adamorjamesehhhh
19:54.40theY4KmanIf they're all honors students, none of them are honors students.
19:55.04adamorjamestheY4Kman: not many are honor.. they just have TONS of people
19:55.08adamorjamesxD
19:55.13sykopomptheY4Kman: to be fair, tutoring has started getting outsourced to india in the past few years. I heard about this one indian tutor that said it was so easy, because whatever material americans were learning, they'd already learned years ago.
19:55.25adamorjamesyep
19:55.30sykopompso high school students in india are already covering what college students learn.
19:55.42adamorjamesit's sad
19:55.42sykopompadamorjames: I don't think this is the case in all of india, though.
19:55.43theY4KmanI can believe that.
19:55.52sykopompand there's certainly private schools in the US that push students further.
19:55.55theY4KmanI just don't believe everyone there is smarter or better
19:56.24adamorjamesnot everyone is.. they just have a lot more people so their smart people outweigh all of us
19:56.28theY4KmanWe certainly don't have slums like India.
19:56.28sykopompI think education in the US is certainly lagging behind, but I don't think things are all that great in India either...
19:56.30adamorjamesxD
19:56.38sykopomptheY4Kman: exactly.
19:56.43sykopompwe just have ghettos
19:56.46sykopompwhich are totally different.
19:56.51theY4KmanYeah
19:57.21adamorjamesthe U.S. has nothing going for it...
19:57.23theY4KmanGhettos get running water, working toilets, and trash pickups
19:57.29sykopompthe US isn't doing so bad.
19:57.35adamorjameswe import tons of stuff..
19:57.35sykopompit just needs to put more money into education.
19:57.50adamorjames(tons of tech)
19:57.51adamorjamesxD
19:57.59sykopompsrsly :\
19:58.12theY4KmanOutsourcing programming is the worst thing ever.
19:58.19sykopompno kidding
19:58.32adamorjamesI don't think he was
19:58.41sykopompI would say "I'd take an MIT hacker over an Indian any day"
19:58.44sykopompbut that's no longer true
19:58.57sykopompactually, tech education in the US has gone down the shitter in the past few years.
19:58.58theY4Kmanwat
19:59.09sykopomptheY4Kman: MIT replaced 6.001
19:59.30theY4Kmanwat
19:59.32sykopompwith a python class
19:59.37sykopomppython isn't the problem, though
20:00.02sykopompit's more the fact that they took the SICP class, which spit out computer scientists that already had the ability to write fucking metacircular interpreters.
20:00.38sykopompthe reason for the python switch was something like "We think it's more practical to teach students how to use someone else's hacked-together, crappy library"
20:00.39theY4KmanAnd you're saying now that they're using Python, people can't learn how to write interpreters?
20:00.41sykopompI SHIT YOU NOT
20:00.43sykopompno
20:00.50sykopompI'm saying that the approach to the class completely changed.
20:00.56sykopomptehy're not doing anything interesting in python.
20:01.01sykopompthey're learning to be software developers
20:01.04sykopompbecause it's more 'practical'
20:01.09theY4KmanYou took the new class?
20:01.10sykopompthat's what the approach of the class was changed into.
20:01.30adamorjamesheh heh I love starting stuff like this
20:01.43adamorjames>:)
20:01.46theY4KmanI hate all of you
20:01.48theY4Kmanbails
20:02.00sykopompno, this was a pretty big debate in the lisp community a couple of months ago. Gerald Jay Sussman showed up at the ILC this year and explained what the reason behind the switch was.
20:02.18sykopompthe problem isn't python. The problem is that they dropped all the hardcore computer sciency stuff
20:02.41sykopompso you -don't- do anything incredibly awesome and mind-expanding.
20:02.51adamorjamesleave that to Japan and India
20:02.52sykopompyou just learn to use libraries, because that's what 'real-world programmers do'
20:03.02sykopomphonestly, that's the reason Sussman gave.
20:03.33sykopompUMass did the same thing a year ago, except they replaced the SICP course with a Design Patterns class.
20:03.39sykopompI took that design patterns class
20:03.41sykopompit was fucking horrible.
20:04.34theY4Kmansykopomp: The ones who want to program will program, and the ones who want a job won't care about the classes.
20:04.44sykopompI know. I'm terribly upset.
20:04.58sykopompI believe the role of academia is to help minds forward.
20:05.07sykopompnot to teach them a bunch of bullshit they'll learn in an internship.
20:05.08theY4KmanThe ones who want a job are in India :P
20:06.27adamorjamesso... I watched The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy for the first time a few days ago
20:07.03theY4KmanAnd?
20:07.07sykopomptheY4Kman: they're killing computer science :(
20:07.09theY4KmanWas it good?
20:07.16theY4Kmansykopomp: No one is killing computer science
20:07.23adamorjamesI'm not sure which was odder.. the book or the movie
20:07.32adamorjamesyea it ok
20:07.34adamorjames*was
20:07.39sykopomptheY4Kman: the universities are killing computer science.
20:07.48adamorjamesmurderers!
20:07.52theY4KmanThe notion that the education racket controls the minds of computer scientists is flawed
20:08.12theY4KmanAnd universities have always been killing education. It's the professors that make a difference.
20:08.13adamorjamesFLAWED
20:09.00sykopomptheY4Kman: I see your point.
20:09.08sykopompexcept the universities also have control over professors
20:09.15sykopompand they routinely screw over the awesome profs.
20:09.33adamorjamesscrew em over!
20:09.34theY4KmanYup
20:09.37theY4KmanShit sucks
20:09.39theY4KmanShit always sucks
20:09.47theY4KmanShit will always suck
20:10.01adamorjamesand the grande finale?
20:10.09theY4KmanSUCK MY SHIT
20:10.17adamorjames:(
20:11.19adamorjamesso theY4Kman do you use key shortcuts in gmail?
20:11.26theY4KmanNope
20:11.29adamorjames:O
20:11.45adamorjamesnot even c?
20:12.30adamorjamesc is like the most useful one! you just press it and you are composing
20:13.30theY4KmanI barely ever send emails
20:14.04adamorjamesoh..
21:20.50theY4KmanDamn it, Judo, I need you
21:21.00theY4KmanHmm, I guess I don't
21:24.23antiyouhi
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