irclog2html for ipaq on 2001.11.23

03:47:51DragonEagleis away: bbiaf, got to go the store for a sec
04:18:26DragonEagleis back (gone 00:30:35)
07:15:37DragonEagleis away: going to dennys to drink coffee and study salamander
10:05:46Azothmorning
11:18:54WeasleI'm trying to use osloader, but when I try uses the bootldr my ipaq resets with a blank screen and I have to reset it??
11:19:01WeasleCan anyone help??
12:44:07mcgizzardanyone awake?
12:44:13Azothbarely
12:45:12mcgizzardheh
12:45:20mcgizzardever mess round with familiar?
12:45:38mcgizzardI'm having weird stuff happening with my root image xmodem transfer
12:45:39Azothyeah ... I have it installed on my iPAQ, v0.5
12:46:02mcgizzardin that it keeps cutting off a while after I send it to the background
12:46:10mcgizzardand I can't get the xmodem transfer window back
12:46:23mcgizzardI know technically it's an XP issues
12:46:24mcgizzardbut
12:46:29mcgizzardjust wondering if anyone else had this
12:46:31Azothhmm, are you using sz or minicom?
12:46:37Azothoh ... windows.
12:46:40mcgizzardI'm using hyperterminal on Windows XP
12:46:45mcgizzard:(
12:47:13AzothHmm, I have had no problems with using Hyperterminal on W2K
12:47:32mcgizzardIt only seems to disappear when I'm doing other stuff
12:47:39mcgizzardlike reading web pages as it downloads
12:47:43mcgizzardso it's minimised
12:47:47mcgizzardthen when I bring it back up
12:47:51mcgizzardthe transfer window has gone
12:47:54mcgizzardweird huh?
12:49:39mcgizzardhave you tried pocket linux, intimate or debian?
12:50:40mcgizzard[A[A
12:50:44mcgizzard
12:50:45Tangentmcgizzard : You could always try a different terminal emulator... TeraTerm and ZOC print to mind
12:50:52mcgizzardhmm
12:50:53mcgizzardyeah
12:51:00mcgizzardmight give that a try if this screws over
12:51:03http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002416/teraterm.html
12:51:03Tangentibot1 : tera term
12:51:19mcgizzardthat's a well trained bot!
12:53:11mcgizzardthanks guys
12:53:25mcgizzardso what do you make of the other ipaq compatible distros?
12:53:42mcgizzardis it really *worth* getting a 1 gig microdrive for intimate?
12:59:50Tangentmcgizzard : Well.. I'd say yes.. but then I started the intimate project :)
13:01:13mcgizzardheh
13:01:26mcgizzardso what's pocket linux like. It looks more 'pda' to me
13:01:53mcgizzardThe XML/Java stuff is pretty cool, but I'm looking for something with a C compiler
13:02:01mcgizzardmaybe lcc and diet libc
13:03:58mcgizzardwhat are the pcmcia NIC drivers like on ARM kernels?
13:04:41Tangentmcgizzard : NIC drivers are pretty much up to scratch.. they're just the regular ones from the kernel
13:05:02Tangentmcgizzard : If you're looking for something with a C compiler, I think intimate is your only option at the moment..
13:05:27Tangentmcgizzard : I spent around 20 mins playing with pocket linux about 9 months ago.. It wasn't very good at the time... very very slow... I expect it's a lot better now
13:05:27mcgizzarddoh!!!!!
13:06:20Azothtangent: do you know if there is a driver for the 3Com 575CT NIC?
13:06:47TangentAzoth : I believe the 3c575 is a cardbus card.. not a pc-card card...
13:07:02mcgizzardso I have to compile stuff on an x86
13:07:04TangentAzoth : the iPAQ only supports 16bit PCMCIA cards.. not 32bit cardbus cards
13:07:12mcgizzardthen transfer across
13:07:15mcgizzard:(
13:07:20Azothtangent: uhm,  ack
13:07:21Tangentmcgizzard : Nod.. you'd need the cross compile toolchain
13:07:35mcgizzardwouldn't the support depend upon the pcmcia jacket?
13:08:02TangentAzoth : Tell me about it.. I have a nice shiney 3c575 here that's hardly been used.. I'm using a 'dregs of the barrel' dlink card that's about 6 years old and held together with sticky tape
13:08:18Azothwell, I have a 3CXFE575CT card... *sniff*
13:08:46AzothHmm, har the wavelan cards supported only 16 bit?
13:09:54TangentAzoth : Basically there's two different types of pcmcia card... regular pcmcia which is an ISA bus mapped to the 68pin pcmcia connector... and cardbus, which is a PCI slot mapped to the 68pin PCMCIA connector
13:10:23TangentAzoth : Fortunately most WLAN cards are PC-Card so they work fine
13:10:38AzothTangent: ah, I was not aware of the inner workings of the cards in such fine details... :-)
13:10:53TangentAzoth : Owning an iPAQ teaches you many things :)
13:11:00TangentAzoth : I didn't use to know
13:11:21AzothHehe, it certainly does. Especially when running linux instead of pocketpc *shiver*
13:12:26Azothargh: DriveReady SeekComplete Error
13:12:42AzothI am about to throw the crappy cdrom drive in the wall right now
13:13:30mcgizzardheh
13:14:50AzothIt's a cdrom on my laptop, not the iPAQ... :-)
13:15:13AzothI am trying to install something from it, but the drive complains about seek errors.
13:15:33Azotheither 1) the media is bad or 2) the drive is shot. Either way it is making me scale the walls.
13:16:09mcgizzardhmm
13:16:15mcgizzardis it IDE?
13:16:35mcgizzardI've had driveseek errors on cdroms from dodgy ide cables
13:17:02mcgizzardsame thing about me getting 'Too many NACKS' off my infra-red keyboard. No probs with windows, but linux has a fit
13:17:05Azothyeah ... but this is an internal drive on my laptop, no chance for me to replace the cables
13:17:37mcgizzardhmm
13:17:46mcgizzardwell
13:17:51mcgizzardin my professional opinion
13:17:54mcgizzardyou're screwed
13:17:56Azothhehe
13:17:59mcgizzardpotentially ;)
13:18:17AzothWell ... I just swapped the harddrive with another one, containing the programs that I want
13:18:31Azothso, now we'll see if things will play for me
13:22:08Azothand we have liftoff
13:22:13Azoth:-)
13:57:33mcgizzback again
13:57:51mcgizzardhmmm
13:58:23mcgizzardanyone ever get bootldr sending data down the cable, but not letting you send it back?
13:59:53Tangentmcgizzard : Flow control needs turning off
14:00:15Tangentmcgizzard : Either that, or your cable isn't plugged in properly
14:02:17mcgizzardhmm
14:02:22mcgizzardflow control is off
14:04:23mcgizzardweird as fuq
14:04:40mcgizzardwhenever I push calendar, I get ser_con coming up
14:04:42mcgizzardbut I can't type
14:05:53mcgizzardthat was odd
14:05:59mcgizzardrestarted hyperterminal and it's fine
14:06:17mcgizzardhow come the power keeps going off even though it's plugged into the mains?
14:06:21mcgizzardis that an apm thing?
14:13:20mcgizzarddoh!
14:24:00mcgizzardbbiab
15:47:49hmmm... konqueror is at http://bolug.uni-bonn.de/files/konq-e/
15:47:49Azothibot1 konqueror
15:49:50Azoth: sorry...
15:49:50Azothibot1 opera
15:55:28Azothhum, is there a way to make system information list the space available on the CF card? :-)
16:12:36Azothexcellent. I now have a wireless connection. :-D
16:15:24i heard mail was on it's way :-)
16:15:24Azothibot1 mail
16:15:28Azothhmp
16:15:32Azothibot kmail
16:15:38Azoth: huh?
16:15:38Azothibot1 kmail
16:15:46yargondamn you lucky man...
16:25:13Azothit is nice
16:25:42yargoncan someone please tell me how to add a source to my ipkg.conf?
16:25:53yargonsrc bipolar-feed http://www.longbros.com/benjamin/ipaq/dist/feed
16:25:57yargonthat doesn work
16:26:30Azothis it perchance the older ipkg config?
16:26:41yargonhuh?
16:26:53yargonits whatever is in 0.4
16:27:25AzothI am not sure if you have to do IPKG_SOURCE="http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq/"
16:27:36Azothif it is an older version of ipkg
16:27:40ipkg is probably the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg/
16:27:40Azothibot1 ipkg
16:28:09Azothwhat feed is tha bipolar feed?
16:28:22yargonit has qpe
16:28:30mcgizzardhi again folks
16:28:37yargonAzoth : does the above source work on 0.4?
16:29:03yargonAzoth : im not sure which one to use
16:29:06mcgizzardanyone here know how to set up wireless on familiar 0.4?
16:29:09Azothyargon: I am not sure if it does. Here is another qpe feed: src Qt-Palmtop http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq
16:29:36Azothmcgizzard : I just set it up on 0.5, right out of the box
16:29:39yargonAzoth : "feed" means file server.... right?
16:30:43mcgizzardazoth: you rule, I suck. I am a mere mortal
16:30:45mcgizzard:)
16:31:02mcgizzardhow did you set it up on 0.5?
16:31:38yargonAzoth : what is the main qpe package name?
16:33:03Azothyargon : qpe-qipkg
16:33:31Azothmcgizzard : I didn't it was already set up, the only thing I had to do was to put the card into the pcmcia slot
16:33:36mcgizzardhmm
16:33:41yargonAzoth : hmm... doesnt work...
16:35:36Azothyargon : Sorry, it might be different from the version I am using, which is familiar v0.5
16:35:52yargonAzoth : i c...
16:36:04yargonAzoth : should i upgrade to 0.5?
16:36:09yargonipkg_install_file: ERROR: File //tmp/ipkg/qpe-qipkg_1.5.0-3_arm.ipk not found
16:36:35Azothyargon : did you do a 'ipkg update' after you added the source?
16:36:44yargonuup
16:36:44yargonyup
16:36:50yargonit downloaded the file
16:36:58yargonbut then cant find where it temp stored it
16:37:49Azothhmm, try QTDIR=/usr;export QTDIR
16:38:20Azothother than that I am out of ideas.
16:38:37yargonok
16:40:49Azoththis is the command: ipkg install qpe-qipkg
16:42:09yargonmy version of ipkg must only allow one source at a time
16:42:46yargonipkg_install_file: ERROR: File //tmp/ipkg/qpe-qipkg_1.5.0-3_arm.ipk not found
16:44:44Azothyeah, try uncommenting all but the qpe source, then do a ipkg update, then ipkg install qpe-qipkg
16:45:06Azotheither that, or your ipkg package is broken
16:45:23yargonit doesnt upgrade it'self though
16:45:30AzothI know there was a bug in ipkg a time ago (1-2 weeks) maybe it have resurfaced
16:45:43mcgizzardis there an easy way to upgrade to 0.5?
16:45:59Azothuhm,
16:46:03Azothnot sure
16:46:11mcgizzardas in without reflashing over a serial port
16:46:22mcgizzardis there some magical ipkg-apt-get-dist function?
16:46:52yargonAzoth : i found where ipkg is downloading the file, but cant find it itself
16:47:00yargon /mnt/ramfs/var/tmp
16:47:08yargonmaybe i should reboot the system
16:59:57yargonanyone know what package atd is in?
17:08:23yargonTangent : did you get qpe running on 0.4?
17:08:43Tangentyargon : Yeah.. think so... might have been on 0.3 tho
17:08:51yargoni c
17:09:22yargonTangent : i guess i better just install 0.5
17:09:53Tangentyargon : Always best to have the latest
17:10:11yargonok
17:10:20yargonhere we go for another root flashing session
17:13:33Azothtangent : when playing .mp3s the sound is very chopped, sounds like it is not enough power to run it. Any ideas on how to go about fixing it? :-)
17:19:05trjAzoth: which mp3 player?
17:20:20TangentAzoth : Are you playing mp3s from a microdrive, or straight from ram/flash?
17:20:37Azothfrom flash
17:20:46Azoththe qpe mp3 mplayer
17:21:27TangentAzoth : Never tried it... I suspect that the player is the problem.. I don't have a problem with madplay
17:21:52AzothTangent : ok ...
17:22:14AzothI guess madplay cannot be used with qpe, eh? :-)
17:25:21Azothhmm, what package is dmesg in, if available at all...
17:26:29Azothheh ... madplay works just fine, there is just no frontend to it... hehe
17:28:05Azothexcellent.
17:28:34yargonyah
17:28:41yargonmadplay is a console program
17:29:03yargoni was using that myself... (cus the X frontends dont really appeal to me that much...)
17:29:55yargonanyone know how much space the post-install is going to take?
17:31:41yargonAzoth : how much space do you have left after you have qpe installed for (music|books|pim data)?
17:36:06Azothnot much ... on a 6330
17:36:24yargonsame here
17:36:24Azothbut, I have a CF card at 128 Mb and a dual sleeve
17:36:43yargonAzoth : what does the dual sleeve do?
17:36:52yargondual pcmcia?
17:37:12yargonor a dual CF card slots?
17:38:10Azothdual pcmcia sleeve
17:38:30yargondang...
17:38:45yargonthat thing must suck up juice bad
17:39:17yargonAzoth : how long does your battery normaly last? mine seems very short...
17:39:32Azoththe dual pcmcia sleeve got extra batteries
17:40:49Azoththe batteries last for, well ... dunno, couple of hours. I had mine on all day since around 10 am, and I just now noticed that I hadn't plugged the power in... had 2% battery left
17:41:14yargonyeiks...
17:43:40Azothheh, I managed to mount 2 memory cards, on 128 Mb and the other 64 Mb, on the same mount point...
17:43:54Azoththe total volume became 64 Mb.
17:43:58Azoth:-)
17:44:06yargonha
17:45:23Azothwooo. I now have a total of 228 Mb RAM in my iPAQ
17:45:44yargonhow?
17:46:28Azothone CompactFlash card of 128 Mb, then a SmartMedia on 64Mb in an pcmcia adapter
17:46:56yargonoh
17:47:00Azothmounted the CF on /usr/local and installed qpe there, and I then mounted the Smarmedia on /mnt/hdc
17:47:15yargonKernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 1f:00                      
17:47:18yargonouch
17:47:27Azothof course, now I am back to a measly ppp connection
17:47:35AzothOh, well ...
17:48:31yargoni didn't set the kernel arguments correctly
17:48:39yargoni guess i can use the ones from 0.4, right?
17:49:43yargonAzoth : in the 0.5 guide, it doesnt say anything about kernel arguments
17:50:53yargonAzoth : use arguments from 0.4 guide?
17:50:56Azothno, I just did a params partition reset
17:50:59Azothor what it was.
17:51:07Azothread the guide. It is all in there
17:51:20yargoni did that too
17:51:30yargonbut now my kernel gives me
17:51:31yargonKernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 1f:00                      
17:52:58yargonfunny
17:53:03yargonbooted and now it works
17:56:08yargonthere isnt thet usb-net modules on 0.5?
18:00:24yargonusb-eth... doih
18:07:25yargondoih... df in 0.5 doesnt print the space on the ram disk
18:09:04Azothsure it does
18:09:15yargonnot for me...
18:09:35yargonim beginning to think doing a ipkg upgrade was a mistake
18:10:07yargonits download tons of stuff
18:10:13yargonincluding a new kernel and modules
18:13:06Azothyeah, that is a good thing. :-)
18:14:37yargonwhut the hell?
18:14:48yargonthis is just like debian
18:14:54yargoni could swear this is debian
18:15:05yargon(almost...)
18:16:26AzothI begin to think it was a bad idea to use ext2 as a filesystem on the CF cards....
18:16:43Azothbut how do I create a jff2s filesystem
18:18:09KeroAzoth: you /could/ create one on your big Linux PC and then copy it onto your CF, but I can imagine you want something faster..
18:19:27yargonnow my usbnet doesnt work...
18:19:31AzothKero: hmm, not a good idea in other words.
18:20:17AzothKero: it's just that it won't bring up QPE properly once in a while when having qpe on the CF
18:22:52Keroext2 will wear out certain parts of your flash /very/ fast, unless you mount it read-only.
18:25:33AzothKero: Whoops!
18:25:48AzothKero: How do you suggest I go about it?
18:26:34Kerocheck /etc/fstab, see whether the option "ro" is passed.
18:26:42Azothit isn't.
18:27:05AzothDang, seems like a microdrive is the only solution. :-)
18:27:15Kerodo you mount/unmount/reboot often?
18:27:26Keroor, did you, rather.
18:27:37AzothKero : well, I have been doing that now, yes. During testing and setup
18:29:14Azoth*ponder*
18:29:21KeroDon't do it too often and try to convert to jffs2 as soon as possible.
18:29:58AzothKero: Do you have an URL for that procedure?
18:30:04KeroI do not know jffs2 well enough to know how to cheat and copy a small image onto CF and still be able to use it entirely.
18:30:15Kerono URL, either.
18:30:21AzothKero : ok. thanks
18:30:33KeroYou could ask dwmw2 on #handhelds.org, but he's away atm.
18:31:00AzothKero : I'll give it a shot, and in the meantime have the CF mounted ro
18:31:18Kerothe small-image-trick is used to install familiar, so some cheating is possible; you'll have to reinstall everything ont it, though (i'm afraid).
18:31:43Keroplus jffs2 compresses your data :)
18:31:49AzothHumm
18:31:51Azoth:-)
18:31:55Keromounting ro is a safe bet.
18:32:11Keroruns off to do some other things now.
18:48:34yargonhm....
18:48:50yargonnow my host doesnt work
18:49:01yargonNov 24 03:48:06 raven modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module usb0
18:49:55yargonuhhhhg
18:50:01yargonit was just working a minute ago
18:52:01yargoni dont get it
18:54:25yargondamn it....
18:55:54yargonWTF!!!
18:56:00joaopmodprobe usbnet?
18:56:06Azothyargon : is it possible to give a playlist to madplay, or for instance say 'madplay * &' and it will play all the files?
18:56:15madplay is probably in the feed
18:56:15Azothibot1 madplay
18:56:19yargonyes it is
18:56:33yargon* works fine
18:56:42Azothyargon : ok, thanks
18:56:47yargonnp
19:06:05yargonqt-embedded_2.3.2-12_arm.ipk
19:06:17DragonEagleis back (gone 11:50:40)
19:06:18yargonouch... its 1,390,886 bytes
19:06:22yargondang that's big
19:10:27yargoni hope i have enough space for the whole qpe-qipkg
19:16:22yargondang
19:16:33yargonqpe rocks!!!
19:16:57Azoth;-) it certaintly does ...
19:17:03Azothtoo bad it takes way much space
19:17:05yargonhelll yah
19:17:13yargonyah
19:17:40yargonwell, it's ok if you dont have X installed
19:17:53yargonand other stuff....
19:24:16yargonis there a book reader in qpe?
19:29:16yargonbook reader is what i need
19:30:09yargondamn qpe kicks ass
19:54:03yargonpackage manager is too unstable...
20:09:45yargoncan someone please tell me which package in debian sid contains a rsync daemon?
20:14:41Tangentyargon : rsync
20:14:47Tangentyargon : Just use rsync --daemon
20:16:04yargonTangent : oh...
20:16:56yargonim supprised debian doesnt have a default rsyncd.conf
20:17:13Tangentyargon : So am I
20:17:51yargonim going to make it sync the ramfs to a dir on my hdd
20:18:49yargonTangent : which part of the ramdisk do you suggest to write to?
20:19:05yargonand how much can i use without a performance hit?
20:20:05Tangentyargon : I don't use ramdisk at all... I have 1GB microdrive
20:20:20yargondamn you lucky
20:20:37yargoni dont even have a cf sleeve yet
20:20:48yargonthe thing is so big i dont want to use it
20:20:52Tangentyargon : I don'e actually use flash for anything other than getting the microdrive booting either
20:21:13Tangentyargon : You can always trim down the CF sleeve to something more reasonable.. that's what I did with mine
20:21:22yargonTangent : i c...
20:21:34yargonTangent : just chop off the sides or somehting?
20:21:52Tangentyargon : The front : http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/Untitled-5.jpg
20:22:04Tangentyargon : The back http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/C2_Img.jpg
20:23:10yargonsweet
20:23:15yargonvery sweet
20:23:36Tangentyargon : Thanks... Took me an afternoon with my dremmel and some car body filler
20:23:45Tangentyargon : And another afternoon to paint it
20:23:50yargondang...
20:23:53yargoni dont get how you did it
20:23:57yargonit's so compact
20:24:09Tangentyargon : Basically, ditch the back of the sleeve altogether
20:24:09yargoncrazy
20:24:18Tangentyargon : trim down the sides on the front portion
20:24:37Tangentyargon : And then cover the PCB with body filler, and sand down until just above the PCB
20:24:55Tangentyargon : You could see the chips on the PCB about 0.1mm below the surface before I sprayed it
20:24:58yargonit's ok to do that over the pcb?
20:25:17Tangentyargon : Yep.. it's non-conducting, and the CF sleeve doesn't have any heat issues
20:25:27yargoni c...
20:25:30yargonnice..
20:25:32Tangentyargon : It's just like packaing components in a potting compound
20:25:49yargonvery nice...
20:25:53yargonhow heavy is it?
20:26:14Tangentyargon : About the same weight as the original.. but it feels a lot more solid
20:26:40yargonthat's sweet
20:27:08yargonyou did the whole thing all the way around the card inserting slot?
20:27:17yargonwith car putty?
20:27:58Tangentyargon : No.. I cut out the logo from the original back, and screwed it back on
20:28:08yargonah...
20:28:12Tangentyargon : The card slot already had a metal cover
20:28:14yargonnice job
20:28:24TangentThanks
20:29:04yargonno i crave for a smaller CF sleeve
20:29:12yargoni have a CF reader on my notebook
20:29:18yargonsuper fast file transfers....
20:29:32yargonwell, usb isn't that bad... but...
20:31:38yargonis there any way to make sure a dir doesnt get over a certain size?
20:38:56Tangentyargon : Don't know of one.. I believe that quota support is missing
20:39:06yargoni c...
20:39:33yargonTangent : so, if i have 32 megs of ram, up to how much is ok to use as storage?
20:44:24Tangentyargon : I've no idea... I run out of memory with 32M ram +32M swap, not using it for storage... but then I compile kernels on my iPAQ
20:44:42yargoni c...
20:45:01TangentI don't actually use familiar on my iPAQ, and haven't done so for about 6 months now
20:45:17yargondang...
20:45:22yargonthen what are you using?
20:45:35Tangentyargon : I'm using intimate on my microdrive
20:46:41yargonohhh... right... microdrive...
20:56:00yargondang... i need a book reader for qpe
21:32:27DragonEagleis away: bbiab
22:30:29DragonEagleis back (gone 00:58:02)
23:05:20simon_x11i'm currently backing up wince from my ipaq-3660 using bootblaster. i'm getting a gzip compressed ~16mb image. now my question is, how can i later restore that image from linux ?

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