| 00:56:40 | On3 | b00 |
| 00:57:04 | On3 | is a semi-proud owner of familiar 0.5 bootstrap + qpe on ipaq 3765 :) weee |
| 01:00:13 | Tangent | On3 : Only semi ? |
| 01:01:17 | On3 | well...yeah. i still am upset the jffs2 ate itself yesterday :) |
| 01:01:29 | On3 | and my NICs don't work in my pccard sleeve |
| 01:01:31 | On3 | [yet] |
| 01:02:00 | On3 | anyone wanna donate an arm-compiled 2.4.7-rmk3-np1 module for a 3c575? :) |
| 01:02:14 | On3 | or the xircom cfe-10 (ne2000 i think) |
| 01:02:30 | Tangent | On3 : Isn't 3c575 a cardbus card? |
| 01:02:45 | Tangent | On3 : Yeah.. it is... |
| 01:02:55 | Tangent | On3 : No chance that'll ever work on the iPAQ |
| 01:03:54 | On3 | ? 16bit only? |
| 01:04:03 | Tangent | On3 : Yep... |
| 01:04:19 | Tangent | On3 : PCMCIA = ISA card.. .Cardbus = PCMCIA card |
| 01:04:25 | On3 | just re-route bits 16-31 to ground :) |
| 01:04:28 | Tangent | erm.. cardbus=PCI card |
| 01:04:37 | On3 | ahh |
| 01:04:45 | On3 | figures. dangit |
| 01:04:56 | Tangent | Different frequencies etc |
| 01:04:57 | On3 | make it work anyway. kernel hackers can do anything. (i've seen it!) |
| 01:05:07 | Tangent | Apparently the Xircom can be made to work with the pcnet_cs driver |
| 01:05:21 | On3 | the compactflash ethernet card? really?? |
| 01:05:32 | On3 | i got a link light on it today but no eth0 device |
| 01:05:33 | Tangent | On3 : Only kernel hacking I'm good for uses an axe |
| 01:05:41 | On3 | :) |
| 01:05:54 | Tangent | On3 : What's it say on the console when you insert the card? |
| 01:06:10 | Tangent | On3 : http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/ipaq/2000-November/002180.html |
| 01:06:15 | On3 | well, earlier it was REALLY upset that the modules weren't there :-) heh.. |
| 01:06:40 | Tangent | On3 : Oh.. there'll (probably) be some ipkg with the right modules in |
| 01:07:04 | On3 | i got all the modules now.. but haven't tried it since |
| 01:07:47 | On3 | i need the nic to get it on the net so i could reinstall all the packages. i rebuilt it today with the 0.5 prerelease after 0.4 ate itself last night. inexplicably too.. |
| 01:09:09 | Tangent | On3 : I'd guess that this is the one you need... http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/netlink-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs_hh6_arm.ipk |
| 01:11:04 | On3 | k.. hangon |
| 01:11:06 | On3 | thx btw |
| 01:11:11 | Tangent | NP... |
| 01:15:51 | On3 | had to move the laptop and ipaq from the living room [watched enterprise] to the noc |
| 01:19:14 | On3 | ok i already had that package installed... ? |
| 01:21:49 | On3 | i did modprobe xirc2ps_cs and i get no eth0 interface |
| 01:21:53 | On3 | try pcnet_cs ? |
| 01:22:44 | On3 | pcnet_cs didn't init either |
| 01:23:11 | On3 | any ne2k modules lying around? |
| 01:28:09 | On3 | welcome back all :) |
| 01:28:18 | On3 | hope u enjoyed your netsplit.. heh.. |
| 01:28:43 | On3 | Tangent: pcnet_cs and xirc2ps_cs didn't work ...hmm |
| 01:30:09 | sgodsell | On3: is your sleeve single or dual? |
| 01:30:13 | On3 | single |
| 01:30:24 | On3 | pccard not cf |
| 01:30:37 | On3 | have the cf card in the pcmcica adapter provided by xircom |
| 01:30:39 | sgodsell | Are you using -hh6? |
| 01:30:46 | On3 | huh? |
| 01:30:59 | sgodsell | 2.4.7-x-hh6 |
| 01:31:03 | On3 | ah |
| 01:31:05 | On3 | umm |
| 01:31:14 | On3 | 2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs |
| 01:31:19 | On3 | familiar-0.5 prerelease |
| 01:32:03 | sgodsell | from where? there is a number of images? |
| 01:32:19 | On3 | familiar.handhelds.org/.../unstable |
| 01:33:05 | On3 | is there a mirror/archive of the ipaq mailing list i can search for help too? i hate to keep bugging people when i am pretty sure i can find it myself rather easily... |
| 01:33:57 | sgodsell | There is maillist, there is also ibot |
| 01:34:12 | | On3 is nothing but an hasty-witted bag of squishy bat toenails. |
| 01:34:12 | sgodsell | ibot insult On3 |
| 01:34:19 | | hola, sgodsell |
| 01:34:19 | sgodsell | ibot hello |
| 01:34:20 | | On3: huh? |
| 01:34:20 | On3 | ibot: you don't know jack |
| 01:34:28 | | somebody said lorien was CRL feeds ftp://lorien.hendhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.7 or ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/outgoing or see IpaqFeeds wiki page |
| 01:34:28 | sgodsell | ibot lorien |
| 01:34:30 | On3 | :) |
| 01:34:35 | | scream is an mp3 front end that was formerly known as pypaq.mp3 and pypaq. Available at http://handhelds.org/~gberenfield/ |
| 01:34:35 | Disconnect | ibot: scream |
| 01:34:35 | | familiar is probably a Linux distribution for handhelds, at http://familiar.handhelds.org |
| 01:34:35 | sgodsell | ibot familiar |
| 01:34:45 | | scream is probably an mp3 front end that was formerly known as pypaq.mp3 and pypaq. Available at http://handhelds.org/~gberenfield/ |
| 01:34:45 | Disconnect | ibot: scream |
| 01:34:47 | On3 | j/k dude ! |
| 01:35:02 | sgodsell | ok, I see you are aquited with ibot :) |
| 01:35:34 | sgodsell | so you installed task-bootstrap.jffs2, right? |
| 01:36:04 | On3 | g00gl3 r0x0rz!!! |
| 01:36:05 | On3 | http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Ka7Lr4Om3AM:www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpaqHardwareCompatibility+xircom+compactcard+linux+ipaq&hl=xx-hacker |
| 01:36:08 | On3 | y |
| 01:36:41 | On3 | G o o g l e 'z c4Ch3 iZ d4 Sn4Psh07 iT L33cH3D oF da P4g3 a5 eeT cr4wL3D DA WEB#@!*# |
| 01:36:48 | On3 | google hacker language pref |
| 01:36:55 | On3 | it k1ckz |
| 01:37:00 | On3 | m33p m33p, d00d |
| 01:37:17 | sgodsell | Ahhh, the date on that image is prior to -hh10 |
| 01:37:27 | sgodsell | and -hh9 |
| 01:37:32 | On3 | heh |
| 01:37:40 | On3 | what image? on the ftp or the google cache? |
| 01:37:41 | sgodsell | so you will have problems with the single sleeve |
| 01:37:51 | On3 | goddamnit...fucking-a |
| 01:37:51 | sgodsell | hold on |
| 01:37:58 | On3 | i need cvs code ?? |
| 01:38:15 | sgodsell | You want to build your own? |
| 01:38:20 | On3 | oh hell no |
| 01:38:22 | On3 | i just want the nic to work |
| 01:38:40 | sgodsell | http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html |
| 01:38:49 | sgodsell | Ahh |
| 01:38:50 | sgodsell | ok |
| 01:38:54 | sgodsell | wait |
| 01:38:54 | On3 | googles cache said the 2.4.0-test-blah-hh1 worked with that card |
| 01:38:58 | On3 | i figured the 2.4.7 would by now |
| 01:39:00 | On3 | .? |
| 01:39:05 | On3 | bad a55umption? |
| 01:41:40 | sgodsell | ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.7/ |
| 01:41:53 | sgodsell | install hh10 packages |
| 01:42:00 | On3 | gee |
| 01:42:11 | On3 | okey dokey |
| 01:42:20 | On3 | ALL of them? |
| 01:42:26 | sgodsell | no |
| 01:42:36 | sgodsell | just the ones you have now |
| 01:44:09 | On3 | heheh... nice :) "we had to get creative"... |
| 01:44:42 | On3 | can ipkg grab them nicely? |
| 01:45:05 | On3 | looks like it will be a bitch for ipkg to figure it ou |
| 01:45:05 | sgodsell | yes it can |
| 01:45:06 | On3 | t |
| 01:45:11 | On3 | cool! |
| 01:45:46 | sgodsell | do you have networking setup via serial or usb? |
| 01:47:41 | On3 | serial |
| 01:47:46 | On3 | haven't messed with usb-eth yet |
| 01:48:05 | On3 | would like to tho :) wonder if i can make some usb hub hacks.. hehe..but probably not. |
| 01:48:20 | On3 | i got qpe installed on it. using it's package manager thingy |
| 01:48:22 | On3 | works nice |
| 01:48:25 | | rumour has it usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 01:48:25 | sgodsell | ibot usbnet |
| 01:49:12 | On3 | got that bookmarked :-) |
| 01:49:39 | On3 | note: don't hold styluses in your mouth. it will hurt when you move your hand really close to your mouth. |
| 01:52:53 | sgodsell | Are you a rocket scientist by chance ;) |
| 01:53:14 | sgodsell | Hi Tangent |
| 01:53:24 | On3 | me? |
| 01:53:26 | Tangent | sgodsell : Hi |
| 01:53:28 | On3 | yeah... suuuuure :) |
| 01:53:48 | Tangent | Damn stupid client was sitting there disconnected, and didn't realise until I typed something |
| 01:53:48 | On3 | i can be one. "tank, i need a rocket scientist program. stat!" |
| 01:53:53 | sgodsell | Hi jg |
| 01:54:01 | On3 | ok |
| 01:54:05 | On3 | i'm a rocket scientist now. |
| 01:54:07 | jg | hi |
| 01:55:42 | On3 | aaaaaaaagh |
| 01:55:58 | Disconnect | heya jg |
| 01:58:50 | jg | hi |
| 02:01:04 | jg | how goes the battle? |
| 02:01:22 | On3 | ugh.. usb net didn't work..grrr |
| 02:01:31 | Disconnect | jg: intimate now has splash screens, a working installer (including nfsroot) and a working linuxrc (also including nfsroot).. |
| 02:01:57 | jg | when I recover, I intend to take it for a spin... |
| 02:02:16 | Disconnect | jg: a7r still hasn't got a way for maintainers to update packages, so ipaqstat is out of date in 0.5pre (but I figured out how to make debs, so the intimate package is up to date) |
| 02:02:29 | Disconnect | jg: we've missed you, cracking the whip on jamey and co ;) ;) |
| 02:03:03 | jg | update the package, and put it in /home/familiar/incoming, and send him hate mail... |
| 02:03:18 | jg | Disconnect: I've been pretty well out of action.... |
| 02:03:21 | Disconnect | jg: sent him hate mail, put the package on skiff. will post it to incoming tomorrow.. |
| 02:04:23 | jg | Disconnect: I've sort of felt like I was hit by a truck, but I'm improving... |
| 02:05:00 | Disconnect | jg: trying to come up with something to donate to CRL when the bootldr supports suspending on cf/microdrive root. (that'll let us dual boot intimate/wince.. with suspend support .. yay.) |
| 02:05:25 | Disconnect | jg: surgery does that. :( so long as you are getting better, we won't ask for any speeches for a while ;) |
| 02:05:51 | jg | with jaws rubberbanded shut, that is a bit difficult right now... |
| 02:06:06 | Disconnect | owies |
| 02:06:24 | jg | talking with your mouth closed can be done, but it isn't what I consider pleasent... |
| 02:07:03 | Disconnect | understandable. |
| 02:07:25 | jg | trying to get off narcotics at the moment.... |
| 02:07:28 | Disconnect | has had his wisdom teeth out. TG for perkies. Talking wasn't an option. and that was just wisdom teeth.. |
| 02:07:56 | On3 | holy shit... usbnet DOES work.. whoa....COOL |
| 02:08:02 | jg | They removed a couple of them along the way.... |
| 02:08:21 | jg | that accounted for one hour out of 7 1/4 hours of surgery..... |
| 02:08:43 | Disconnect | On3: try intimate-over-nfs-over-usbnet .. a linux workstation on your ipaq.. so long as it stays plugged into a linux workstation. ;) |
| 02:09:06 | Disconnect | jg: urgh. :( any ideas on how well it worked? |
| 02:09:53 | jg | I'll know better over the next week or two as I get off narcotics. my preliminary assessment is that it seems to have worked, but that is still preliminary.... |
| 02:10:22 | Disconnect | congrats.. preliminarily.. p) |
| 02:11:50 | jg | but the narcotics confuse the picture some... |
| 02:12:53 | Disconnect | yah. |
| 02:13:01 | sgodsell | is away: Got to go |
| 02:13:04 | Disconnect | slept through closing on his house that way ;) |
| 02:13:08 | Disconnect | cya sgodsell |
| 02:14:26 | On3 | Disconnect: that is pretty wild (nfs-over-usbnet) |
| 02:15:25 | Disconnect | On3: its in the cute-but-useless dept (well, nfsroot-over-usbnet is anyway) |
| 02:17:31 | On3 | right |
| 02:17:38 | Disconnect | is away: sleep, work, repeat |
| 02:17:47 | On3 | right now my whole pda is in the damn-cool-but-functionally-useless dept |
| 02:18:19 | On3 | once i get the pccard nic working, i'll be doing LOTS of stuff |
| 02:19:38 | On3 | why does the screen turn off now? |
| 02:19:45 | On3 | it used to have the tux logo |
| 02:19:56 | On3 | then this new familiar release 0.5 turns off the lcd controller.. ? |
| 02:19:57 | On3 | wtf? |
| 02:25:51 | On3 | <whine> ipkg doesn't upgrade to the hh10 releases! .. whyy!!????? </whine> |
| 02:30:54 | On3 | 3y3 am a l337 hax0r now... wooooo |
| 02:31:01 | On3 | i can write scripts. hehe... |
| 02:37:56 | Kuroihasu | Does familiar include an xServer? |
| 02:41:26 | On3 | y |
| 02:41:53 | On3 | use the task-complete image |
| 02:49:24 | Kuroihasu | thank you |
| 02:51:57 | On3 | knock knock |
| 02:52:01 | On3 | i need a developer.. |
| 02:58:06 | Tangent | Not that I really count... but I;m here |
| 02:58:16 | Tangent | On3 : You want to ipkg install task-complete |
| 02:59:50 | SleepingDragon | is away: night all |
| 03:01:34 | On3 | i'm trying to update form the lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.7 spot. trying to get the hh10 modules. ipkg is being a dick. |
| 03:01:58 | On3 | i'm a slackware user. we beleive in tar and gzip. not this package based horse shit that doesn't work. |
| 03:02:07 | Tangent | On3 : I don't get on well with iPKG... I believe in apt-get |
| 03:03:48 | On3 | this is bullshit. /lib/modules/`uname -r`/pcmcia/serial_cs.o EXISTS |
| 03:04:03 | On3 | yet ipkg's crap says: ./pcmcia/serial_cs.o: no such file or directory |
| 03:04:09 | beeblebrox | is away: Away! |
| 03:04:15 | beeblebrox | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 03:04:17 | On3 | wtf?? i KNOW it's using /lib/modules/`uname -r` as the -d dest |
| 03:04:25 | On3 | [i tried to force it and it made nice mean subdirs\] |
| 03:10:13 | On3 | teeheeehee |
| 03:10:15 | On3 | found a bug |
| 03:11:30 | On3 | why does the screen turn off now? |
| 03:11:38 | On3 | it used to have the tux logo |
| 03:12:04 | Tangent | On3 : You'd need to ask a Familiar person.. .I do the intimate distro |
| 03:13:53 | On3 | fucking-yaaaay |
| 03:14:46 | Tangent | On3 : I guess that means that it worked |
| 03:15:03 | On3 | i have ethernet now |
| 03:15:12 | On3 | updated, painfully, to the -hh10 modules |
| 03:15:14 | Tangent | Hooray :) |
| 03:15:15 | On3 | and kernel. |
| 03:15:19 | On3 | bleh that sucked. |
| 03:15:32 | On3 | and found a bug in all of the postinst scripts |
| 03:15:40 | Tangent | _ALL_ ? |
| 03:15:43 | On3 | just about |
| 03:16:11 | On3 | the depmod commands are .... wrong... |
| 03:16:14 | On3 | : |
| 03:16:15 | On3 | depmod |
| 03:16:22 | On3 | ./kernel/drivers/sound/blah.o \ |
| 03:16:29 | On3 | ./kernel/drivers/sound/bleh.o \ |
| 03:16:34 | On3 | ____ |
| 03:16:39 | Tangent | Oh joy... I'm just greatful that it's 'Not My Problem(TM)' |
| 03:16:43 | On3 | the depmod on a line by itself is a command |
| 03:16:58 | On3 | the next lines are interpreted as commands but trying to execute .o objects :) |
| 03:16:59 | On3 | oops |
| 03:17:13 | On3 | thus the "no such file/dir" error or "permission denied" i keep getting. |
| 03:17:14 | On3 | __ |
| 03:17:24 | On3 | UNLESS i am misinterpreting the functionality of the script... |
| 03:17:34 | On3 | which is doubtful because i am a demi-god. |
| 03:17:41 | On3 | {cough cough} |
| 03:17:47 | Tangent | On3 : Strange... I didn't get that problem when I installed the wlan-ng stuff, but maybe that postinst is not broken? |
| 03:18:00 | Tangent | Anyway... 5:25AM here... |
| 03:18:05 | On3 | go to bed!! |
| 03:18:05 | Tangent | Time for me to defrag brain... |
| 03:18:07 | Tangent | Night |
| 03:18:10 | Tangent | <- Zzzzzzz |
| 03:18:11 | On3 | hope u don't have to be at work at 8 |
| 03:18:36 | Tangent | On3 : Nah... got no work to go to... |
| 03:18:43 | On3 | oh |
| 03:18:48 | On3 | vacation? |
| 03:18:55 | On3 | or .com layoff |
| 03:18:56 | On3 | ? |
| 03:18:59 | Tangent | On3 : Currently between jobs (voluntarily so)... I quit to move house, and build my new office |
| 03:19:16 | Tangent | On3 : It's taken me about two months so far to build my new office |
| 03:19:26 | On3 | kewl |
| 03:19:56 | Tangent | On3 : I've gone for lots and lots of automation in my office.. climate control etc |
| 03:20:12 | Tangent | On3 : And the only way to acheive that was to design and build all the hardware myself |
| 03:20:20 | Tangent | On3 : And then write some software to control it all |
| 03:20:41 | Tangent | The hardware is probably only three days from completion now... |
| 03:21:20 | Tangent | http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/14.jpg http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/9.jpg |
| 03:21:42 | On3 | COOL! i'll hit the pics.. |
| 03:21:57 | On3 | "hello world"! |
| 03:22:07 | On3 | anything like x10? |
| 03:22:07 | Tangent | On3 : Well.. you gotta :) |
| 03:22:25 | Tangent | On3 : x10 is going to play a part, but it's not controlled yet... |
| 03:22:33 | Tangent | On3 : Here's the rundown.... |
| 03:22:59 | Tangent | 106Watts of solar panels outside.... 90AH deep cycle battery indoors... |
| 03:23:04 | Tangent | Mains inverter... |
| 03:23:07 | Tangent | 2xPIR sensor |
| 03:23:15 | Tangent | 2X Digital in (Light Switches) |
| 03:23:25 | Tangent | 4XPWM speed controlled FAN |
| 03:23:36 | Tangent | 5 X individually controlled lights |
| 03:23:43 | Tangent | Aircon (Not yet automated) |
| 03:23:48 | Tangent | 6x Temp sensor |
| 03:24:03 | Tangent | Voltage sensors etc (current sense not yet built) |
| 03:24:25 | Tangent | erm.. Lots of room to expand too... |
| 03:24:33 | Tangent | Software currently looks like this http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/NewOffice/OfficeControl.jpg |
| 03:24:37 | On3 | u are either bored or are a genius |
| 03:24:50 | Tangent | Possibly both :) |
| 03:24:52 | On3 | unix.. cool |
| 03:24:55 | On3 | not a surprise |
| 03:25:05 | On3 | gtk? |
| 03:25:07 | Tangent | Each light/fan can be switched to either mains, or inverter power |
| 03:25:10 | Tangent | QT |
| 03:25:28 | On3 | ah... i see. just noticed the contol buttons. (min,max,close). |
| 03:25:44 | Tangent | On3 : The plan is to run the interface on a TuxScreen |
| 03:25:52 | On3 | tuxscreen? |
| 03:25:55 | On3 | like a touchscreen? |
| 03:26:05 | Tangent | http://www.tuxscreen.net/ |
| 03:26:18 | Tangent | On3 : Linux Phone |
| 03:27:03 | On3 | damnit.. my minicom is now ALL fuckedup..wtf??? damnit this day has totallty sucked! |
| 03:27:04 | Tangent | On3 : Getting linux on it is still under development, but I'm told someone has Intimate booting on it now :) |
| 03:27:19 | On3 | that's sad... sheesh |
| 03:27:59 | Tangent | On3 : Well.. in for a penny, in for a pound... If you're gonna play geek, may as well give it your all :) |
| 03:28:12 | On3 | yep |
| 03:28:42 | Tangent | Anyhow.. I seem to remember saying something like Zzzzzzz |
| 03:28:44 | Tangent | Night again... |
| 03:28:52 | On3 | right. |
| 03:28:57 | On3 | seeya |
| 03:28:57 | On3 | thanks for your help |
| 03:29:27 | Tangent | Hrm.. the worst part of it all is, that I'm only really going to bed now so that I'm not _still_ up when GF gets up for work |
| 03:29:32 | Tangent | Night again anyway |
| 10:29:21 | theran | hello |
| 12:32:56 | frankus | MoD which feed are you using? |
| 13:27:12 | pattieja | is back (gone 16:19:32) |
| 13:32:32 | mtb | got a dead ipaq here, I ran the battery down and now it seems to have lost the bootloader |
| 13:32:40 | mtb | any ideas? |
| 13:33:01 | pattieja | mtb: can you boot it with the power plugged in? |
| 13:33:29 | mtb | nope, plugged in the power, yellow led if flashing, but nothing else |
| 13:33:33 | nikos | mtb: Why do you say 'it seems to have lost the bootloader'. What are you seeing that gives you this idea. |
| 13:33:44 | nikos | mtb: Let it charge up a while... |
| 13:33:48 | mtb | well, I am seeing nothing |
| 13:33:52 | pattieja | mtb: there was an e-mail which explicitly told about the evils of allowing the battery to discharge completely |
| 13:33:53 | nikos | mtb: Turn off the switch on the bottom for a few minutes |
| 13:33:57 | nikos | mtb: Then turn it back on. |
| 13:34:19 | mtb | ??? the reset switch? |
| 13:34:22 | nikos | pattieja: It takes considerable time for damage to occur. |
| 13:34:24 | nikos | mtb: No |
| 13:34:31 | nikos | mtb: The switch behind the sliding door. |
| 13:34:35 | pattieja | nikos: like how much time? |
| 13:34:55 | nikos | pattieja: I'm not sure anyone knows. But hours or days at least. |
| 13:34:56 | mtb | huh? what door? |
| 13:35:02 | nikos | mtb: What model ipaq is this? |
| 13:35:14 | mtb | 3635 |
| 13:35:25 | nikos | mtb: Looking at the bottom of the ipaq, to the left of the connector. |
| 13:35:35 | nikos | mtb: Between the serial/usb and power plug. |
| 13:35:36 | sgodsell | is away: bbi 30 minutes |
| 13:36:07 | mtb | oh - how do i open it? |
| 13:36:29 | nikos | mtb: Use the stylus to slide it. |
| 13:36:31 | mtb | ah ok |
| 13:36:41 | mtb | difficult cos it is plugged in |
| 13:36:47 | nikos | mtb: Don't do it right now. |
| 13:36:52 | mtb | ok |
| 13:36:59 | nikos | mtb: Let it finish charging and the light stays on solid. |
| 13:37:14 | mtb | is this normal, this is only the second day I have had it |
| 13:38:37 | nikos | mtb: It's not unusual if you let it fully discharge. This is a lithium based battery, it is not a good idea to run it completely down. |
| 13:39:17 | mtb | I installed 0.4 seemed to work fine, then this morning upgraded to 0.5, seemed fine. then at work ran it ito the ground... |
| 13:40:20 | mtb | so how long can I use it before running into trouble - this is meant to be replacing a IIIc which seemed to last a week... |
| 13:42:10 | nikos | mtb: Varies wildly, either monitor /proc/apm or install ipaqstat to make it easier. |
| 13:44:34 | mtb | ok, thanks - this was a bit of a shocker, the price has dropped here in Tokyo so I thought I would get one. |
| 14:03:43 | mtb | That worked!!! Thanks nikos!!! |
| 14:04:14 | nikos | mtb: Great, you are welcome. |
| 14:05:19 | mtb | so, if I run into power trouble again, I should suspend the ipaq? |
| 14:06:58 | nikos | mtb: Sure, just generally suspend whenever you aren't using it. I use the ipaq for 8 or 10 hours a day off and on and rarely go lower than 85% as ipaqstat reports it. |
| 14:07:09 | nikos | mtb: Whoops, that's with the dual sleeve though. |
| 14:07:17 | nikos | mtb: 3 times the battery power. |
| 14:09:16 | mtb | hmmm, I was using no sleeve - Ok, I'll install netstat... thanks again |
| 14:12:28 | nikos | mtb: ipaqstat ;) |
| 14:13:22 | sgodsell | is back (gone 00:37:45) |
| 14:15:44 | pattieja | is away: bank |
| 14:25:01 | pattieja | is back (gone 00:09:17) |
| 14:37:58 | radtuna | hiya |
| 14:39:37 | radtuna | are there any ARM-ish channels with any fair amount of traffic? |
| 14:39:43 | radtuna | or is #ipaq the most frequented? |
| 14:39:50 | radtuna | (and silent still :) |
| 14:40:40 | nikos | radtuna: #handhelds.org is probably the biggest, but primarily handheld-oriented probably. kernel issues would tend to be discussed on the kernel channels. |
| 14:40:50 | nikos | s/probably/obviously/ |
| 14:43:36 | radtuna | thank you. |
| 14:44:19 | radtuna | I'm actually looking more for general info on arm-linux handhelds other than ipaq at the moment. My psion 5mx died and im looking for something new. |
| 14:44:36 | radtuna | ipaq may be the best alternative, but i'm trying toi track down any others first. |
| 14:46:05 | radtuna | Its somewhat disappointing, (though not surprising) that http://handhelds.org is almost exclusively ipaq-centric in their focus. |
| 14:52:32 | nikos | radtuna: Are you looking for handheld info or server/workstation? |
| 14:52:57 | radtuna | handheld, pretty much. |
| 14:53:31 | radtuna | i'm considering yopy/ipaq/the new sharp toy/hp720 or something different |
| 14:53:39 | nikos | radtuna: ipaq is the only currently viable choice, no other manufacturer has provided even a fraction of the support for linux on the handheld that Compaq has. |
| 14:54:00 | radtuna | I'm quite aware of that. I'm also extremely reluctant to give up my keyboard. |
| 14:54:02 | nikos | radtuna: I've heard very little about the Yopy recently. |
| 14:54:06 | sjohnson | radtuna: handhelds.org is being sponsored by Compaq. So that is the major thoust at the moment. But they have said they are willing to host other work |
| 14:54:15 | nikos | radtuna: Hmm? There are keyboards for the ipaq. |
| 14:54:29 | nikos | radtuna: So you want a palmtop not a handheld then? |
| 14:54:37 | radtuna | my 5mx has a 6" keyboard integrated into the unit |
| 14:54:47 | nikos | I see. |
| 14:55:30 | nikos | radtuna: http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ |
| 14:59:29 | radtuna | sorry, (i'm being distracted by server issues actually at the moment) |
| 14:59:45 | radtuna | someone deleted all the graphics from their web site! |
| 14:59:53 | radtuna | "help! my web page looks like crap!" |
| 15:00:10 | radtuna | "It's been down for two days :(" |
| 15:00:24 | radtuna | er.. you could have told me two days ago? |
| 15:00:27 | radtuna | brb |
| 15:01:14 | SleepingDragon | is back (gone 16:17:12) |
| 15:02:10 | nikos | radtuna: :) |
| 15:02:17 | nikos | radtuna: I'm fully familiar with that sort of thing. |
| 15:16:23 | radtuna | thanks, nikos. There's much good info, for development anyway. |
| 15:17:17 | radtuna | I guess at the moment I'm looking for user-experiences in relation to the hardware. |
| 15:18:00 | radtuna | the hp720 (palmtop) looks like a nice machine; decent keyboard and all, but is hideously bloated, and insanely expensive |
| 15:19:30 | sjohnson_away | is away: lunch |
| 15:28:19 | radtuna | the ipaq looks "best of breed" in terms of software/hw support |
| 15:28:36 | radtuna | and with swappable cf/pcmcia it looks hard to beat |
| 15:28:39 | radtuna | but |
| 15:28:45 | radtuna | no keyboard hurts :( |
| 15:28:53 | nikos | radtuna: I will note that hp720 Linux development seems to be nearly dead. Nico Pitre has said that unless someone steps up, it is being removed from his Linux dev tree. |
| 15:29:21 | radtuna | Thanks for telling me. |
| 15:29:37 | radtuna | I suspect the reason nobody is developing for it, is because nobody has one. |
| 15:29:45 | radtuna | Because they are *way* too expensive for a PDA |
| 15:30:11 | radtuna | its a tiny, tiny market. |
| 15:31:02 | radtuna | ipaq isn't cheap, but $500 for a pda/handheld seems to be about the going rate |
| 15:31:28 | radtuna | $1100 (at compusa) for an hp720 sounds a little crazy |
| 15:33:08 | radtuna | $500 for a psion 5mx was really okay though. the screen... sucked. the case was flimsy and fragile, but the combination of great kand 80col screen, was good to see. |
| 15:33:57 | radtuna | development is sketchy,but far from dead.The first successful C /pcmcia drivers were released about a week agol |
| 15:34:04 | radtuna | (CF/pcmcia) |
| 15:34:21 | radtuna | however, the hardware platform *is* dead, as psion is out of the hw business |
| 15:35:12 | radtuna | the sharp pda, if it ever ships, should have a pullout keyboard; from pictures it looks almost useable |
| 15:35:46 | radtuna | has some totally daft features though; no microphone, no pcmcia, and is probably going to be heavy |
| 15:36:04 | radtuna | #handhelds.org is all ipaq too, right? |
| 15:36:08 | radtuna | sorry to bother you :) |
| 15:36:16 | radtuna | thanks for listening (if you haven't ignored me already) |
| 15:40:57 | nikos | radtuna: url for sharp pda? |
| 15:41:15 | nikos | radtuna: #handhelds.org is pretty much all ipaq too, yes. Although it's open to all open source handheld development. |
| 15:53:15 | radtuna | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 15:53:27 | radtuna | its in English fortunately. |
| 15:53:31 | nikos | radtuna: Great, thanks. |
| 15:53:55 | radtuna | theoretically, they started shipping developer units today... |
| 15:54:13 | nikos | radtuna: I'm uncomfortable with Linux projects that are not pursued within the community. That's why handhelds.org is so great. |
| 15:54:21 | radtuna | absolutely |
| 15:54:33 | nikos | radtuna: I'm also somewhat of a gtk bigot. ;) |
| 15:54:43 | radtuna | heh. |
| 15:55:21 | radtuna | I'm not yet clear on how intelligently Sharp is pursuing this beastie. If its anything like the YOPY, it should be ugly. |
| 15:55:47 | nikos | radtuna: That keyboard idea is really cool though, I have to agree. |
| 15:56:17 | nikos | radtuna: They better have esc, ctrl and meta keys though, or oh boy... |
| 15:56:28 | radtuna | I've been tracking the YOPY lists since the beginning, and the developer community, frankly, has been lied to, endlessly, treated like shit, and then ignored. and then lied to some more. |
| 15:57:05 | nikos | radtuna: Open source projects tied to commercial entities always were me, especially in the current economic environment. |
| 15:57:24 | nikos | s/were/worry/ |
| 15:57:35 | radtuna | nikos: i dont know if those screenshots are "final". there's a japanese version of the unit, that actually runs amigados (can you belive it?!) and the USA unit is still being re-engineered somewhat. |
| 15:57:44 | radtuna | nikos, very much :( |
| 15:58:11 | radtuna | The presense of such luminants as Jim Gettys, is hopeful though. |
| 15:58:41 | nikos | radtuna: Very true, not to mention Jamey Hicks and George France, Russ Nelson, etc, etc. |
| 15:59:10 | radtuna | I've seen pictures of a snapon-keyboard for the new ipaqs though... *if* it really snaps on solidly, and can be treated as inseparable from the main unit, I might well consider it |
| 15:59:11 | nikos | radtuna: The handhelds.org project is much more loosely tied to Compaq and even if all Compaq support suddenly ended could hobble on quite readily. |
| 15:59:25 | nikos | radtuna: That blackberry thing? Yeah. |
| 15:59:30 | radtuna | if its a "sits on top" rather than "locks in hard" I will be leery yet. |
| 16:00:17 | radtuna | I wonder why the palmtop form never really caught on. |
| 16:00:42 | radtuna | The *individual* examples of it, have all been wanting; |
| 16:01:17 | radtuna | hp's are big, butt-ugly and expensive. Psion's are quirky and incompatible with the rest of the world. |
| 16:01:22 | nikos | radtuna: I've got to run for a bit. Talk to you later. |
| 16:01:31 | nikos | is away: Errands |
| 16:01:33 | radtuna | thanks for your help! |
| 16:01:36 | radtuna | bye! |
| 16:01:38 | nikosAWAY | radtuna: Sure |
| 16:11:30 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiaw |
| 16:21:32 | zooty | where might i find an uptodate version of setipaqtty and ipaqsendfile? |
| 16:32:29 | nikos | is back |
| 16:33:26 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:21:54) |
| 16:43:32 | sjohnson_away | is back (gone 01:24:02) |
| 16:47:25 | nikos | zooty: Can you remind my of what those are? They ring only the vaguest of bells. What are you trying to do? |
| 16:47:29 | nikos | s/my/me/ |
| 17:14:06 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiab |
| 17:45:11 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:31:05) |
| 17:56:29 | zooty | nikos: useul scripts for flashing directly with sx so minicom doesn't eat your brain |
| 17:58:11 | nikos | zooty: The installation process is changing and getting simpler, so they are less useful. Old versions of it almost certainly won't work. |
| 17:58:27 | nikos | zooty: To my knowledge no one is maintaining them anymore. |
| 17:59:08 | zooty | hmm minicom still gets lots of nasty errors with bl 2.14.15 |
| 18:02:31 | nikos | I wish people could be a little more specific. |
| 18:05:45 | sjohnson | nikos: ...and patient. |
| 18:07:11 | nikos | sjohnson: Yeah, he started out OK, but I guess he thought he got all the info he was going to get. Oh well. |
| 18:08:03 | sgodsell | I was helping him in another window. He said he had to catch a train |
| 18:08:15 | nikos | Ah OK. Cool. |
| 18:08:24 | nikos | sgodsell: What was his problem? |
| 18:09:11 | sgodsell | He wants to update his v0.4 familiar to the latest v0.5, and the latest bootldr |
| 18:09:54 | sgodsell | He has a CF storage card, so I told him to put a /boot directory on with the 2.4.7 kernel and install the modules as well |
| 18:10:28 | nikos | sgodsell: Was have having xmodem upload problems? |
| 18:10:33 | sgodsell | Then save his root image using dd if=/dev/mtdblock/3 of=/mnt/hda/myroot.jffs2 |
| 18:29:00 | sgodsell | is away: bbl |
| 19:08:21 | [E]Fox | Can anyone tell me what the process is for reflashing an incommunicado iPAQ? |
| 19:08:35 | [E]Fox | i.e., what the guys at Compaq do when you're beyond self-help |
| 19:09:14 | MalteseFalcon | [E]Fox: I eneded up having to ship mine to Jamey and waiting a couple of weeks. :) |
| 19:09:23 | [E]Fox | Yeah, but what did Jamey do with it |
| 19:09:55 | MalteseFalcon | He works at CRL, it's where Hogwarts was spun off from. ;) |
| 19:10:05 | [E]Fox | Ok... so what does CRL do to them :) |
| 19:10:58 | MalteseFalcon | Actually, I think it was actualy cracking the case open, and doing some real low-lever things with wires and soldering and such. |
| 19:11:10 | MalteseFalcon | s/lever/level |
| 19:11:16 | [E]Fox | yeah...im looking for specifics on that :) |
| 19:11:21 | MalteseFalcon | What did you do to yours? |
| 19:11:27 | [E]Fox | Merlin. |
| 19:11:43 | [E]Fox | (PPC2002) |
| 19:11:44 | MalteseFalcon | Well... I'm not sure.. I guess Jamey is actually the one to ask. |
| 19:11:55 | [E]Fox | Yah im actually already in contact with another CRL guy from here |
| 19:12:32 | [E]Fox | im just thinkin a. I dsont wanna be without ipaq and b. maybe an investment in equipment that can fix this can be recouped by a 'fix ur ipaq' service :) |
| 19:13:14 | [E]Fox | hmm... I bet |
| 19:13:20 | [E]Fox | it involves removing a flash chip from a working ipaq. |
| 19:14:15 | sgodsell | It does not involve removing the flash chips |
| 19:14:25 | [E]Fox | Cool. |
| 19:14:32 | [E]Fox | Glad I didnt put anything on that bet. ;) |
| 19:14:55 | sgodsell | I am sorry I didn't put any money on it :( |
| 19:15:03 | [E]Fox | Hee. |
| 19:15:06 | [E]Fox | So what is the process, sg? |
| 19:15:29 | sgodsell | [E]Fox: I would have to kill you if I told you ;) |
| 19:15:40 | [E]Fox | Couldn't you just maim me badly? |
| 19:15:51 | sgodsell | I signed a NDA with compaq |
| 19:15:52 | [E]Fox | I'll bleed real enthusiastically, I promise |
| 19:15:59 | [E]Fox | Ok |
| 19:16:01 | [E]Fox | :) |
| 19:16:37 | sgodsell | I can say this. It involves using a jtag |
| 19:16:42 | [E]Fox | Would replacing the 0th flash chip be a viable approach? |
| 19:16:57 | [E]Fox | is the register to enable writing to flash physically triggerable? |
| 19:16:58 | [E]Fox | hmm. |
| 19:17:04 | sgodsell | Do you want to upgrade your iPAQ to 32Mb of flash |
| 19:17:06 | [E]Fox | Oh well. Dont break your nda |
| 19:17:09 | [E]Fox | No, I want to fix my bricks :) |
| 19:17:35 | MalteseFalcon | sgodsell...I'm still thinking about that myself |
| 19:17:53 | sgodsell | Then get in touch with jamey, and sign a NDA |
| 19:18:07 | sgodsell | He will tell you what you need to know |
| 19:27:45 | [E]Fox | sgodsell: Thanks |
| 19:31:02 | sgodsell | No problem |
| 19:31:37 | radtuna | are pretty much all the shipping ipaqs with 16mb flash? |
| 19:31:59 | [E]Fox | with rare exceptions |
| 19:32:12 | [E]Fox | I think the first few out were 32. |
| 19:33:09 | radtuna | is there *any* indication that compaq will put more flash into upcoming systems? |
| 19:33:37 | radtuna | it would seem a small thing, as cheap as ram of all sorts is heading |
| 19:33:58 | radtuna | (cheap, and small) |
| 19:34:28 | radtuna | though, granted, demand may be small :( |
| 19:35:22 | radtuna | what sleeves are available as dual? |
| 19:35:28 | radtuna | dual-CF or dual-PCMCIA? |
| 19:35:30 | radtuna | or both? |
| 19:38:11 | sjohnson | radtuna: Only Dual PCMCIA sleeve for now. |
| 19:39:33 | nikos | radtuna: More than 32MB you mean? |
| 19:39:58 | radtuna | more than 16, anyway |
| 19:40:03 | radtuna | more than 32 would be nice |
| 19:40:06 | nikos | radtuna: All 3700 and above models have 32MB of flash now, it's required by PPC2002 |
| 19:40:13 | radtuna | nikos: good :) |
| 19:40:22 | nikos | radtuna: The only thing that will drive more flash is M$ unfortunately. |
| 19:41:06 | radtuna | and the only thing that will drive them out, are a hooting flock of penguins, unfortunately |
| 19:42:15 | radtuna | familiar uses something like 13mb? |
| 19:42:22 | [E]Fox | There's a little indication |
| 19:42:35 | [E]Fox | PPC2002 uses 22 I believe |
| 19:43:19 | [E]Fox | there is (and will have to continue to be) an install that fits into 16. |
| 19:43:20 | nikos | radtuna: Familiar uses what ever you decide to use. ;) We don't have a fixed distribution. You install whatever packages you like. |
| 19:43:35 | radtuna | that *does* sound familiar... |
| 19:43:47 | nikos | radtuna: You can get by using as little as 6-8 I think. A pretty complete system with X etc is a good 13 or so. |
| 19:44:40 | [E]Fox | demand is going to go up, cos ppl are gonna want their 363x to have the software of a 367x |
| 19:44:51 | [E]Fox | or whatever ships with that full 2002 |
| 19:45:21 | radtuna | I'm sure compaq would like them to just buy another one |
| 19:45:35 | radtuna | btw, |
| 19:45:45 | radtuna | is there a click-through EULA for wince? |
| 19:45:59 | radtuna | like the desktop versions have? |
| 19:47:32 | [E]Fox | im sure they will, but it's a recession |
| 19:47:33 | [E]Fox | ;) |
| 19:48:22 | [E]Fox | I know I'd like to buy another one myself but it's not happening, esp. after getting this sleeve and microdrive. |
| 19:48:43 | radtuna | feh |
| 19:49:13 | [E]Fox | Heh, I wonder if CRL is hiring |
| 19:49:30 | radtuna | maybe i should just "fuckit" with the keyboard isseue,ue, get an ipaq and go completely wearable |
| 19:49:48 | [E]Fox | keyboard issue? |
| 19:49:53 | radtuna | HUD goggles, wrist keyboard and so on |
| 19:50:09 | radtuna | just forget about the ipaq as a user interface device |
| 19:50:16 | [E]Fox | ehh... |
| 19:50:18 | [E]Fox | speech is around the corner |
| 19:50:21 | radtuna | keep it in my pocket or a pouch or something |
| 19:50:35 | radtuna | speech sucks for well-articulated communication |
| 19:50:43 | [E]Fox | yeah but for command and control |
| 19:50:53 | radtuna | very simple command and control |
| 19:51:02 | radtuna | but a touchpad is okay for simple command and control |
| 19:51:07 | [E]Fox | it's further along than you might think |
| 19:51:18 | [E]Fox | and when you're driving or have your hands otherwise occupied... :) |
| 19:51:21 | radtuna | touchpad is nogood for writing stories |
| 19:51:23 | radtuna | hmm |
| 19:51:33 | [E]Fox | no... neither for coding |
| 19:51:34 | radtuna | i have a tape recorder, carry it around with me |
| 19:51:36 | radtuna | for voice notes |
| 19:51:43 | [E]Fox | yeah, I have a little panasonic digital dealie |
| 19:51:44 | radtuna | and later transcribe them into text |
| 19:52:05 | radtuna | its (for me) more awkward, than stopping to pull out my psion |
| 19:52:10 | [E]Fox | totally |
| 19:52:11 | radtuna | and typing something out |
| 19:52:19 | [E]Fox | not to mention the case when its otherwise in use |
| 19:52:34 | [E]Fox | task switching is not as smooth as it could be |
| 19:52:59 | radtuna | i have a feeling that the blackberryesque kb's of the new ipaq |
| 19:53:13 | radtuna | and the sharp pda, are simply going to be new ways to suck |
| 19:53:31 | [E]Fox | we're nowhere near the bottom of that barrel ;) |
| 19:53:43 | radtuna | not reallly ;) |
| 19:54:03 | radtuna | the psion was really pretty nice |
| 19:54:15 | [E]Fox | why |
| 19:54:20 | radtuna | im sad, that mine is broken now, and psion no longer makes or supts them. |
| 19:54:39 | radtuna | Well... its big-ger than ipaq, its heavier, and the screen is far inferior |
| 19:54:50 | radtuna | but its 640x240 |
| 19:54:59 | radtuna | so you have (theoretically) much more space to work in |
| 19:55:07 | radtuna | but the best part, hands down, is the keyboard |
| 19:55:16 | radtuna | palmtop, clamshell design |
| 19:56:04 | sgodsell | When you get to those sizes, you may al well buy a notebook ;) |
| 19:56:08 | radtuna | flip the top, and you have 53 keys |
| 19:56:10 | radtuna | well, no. |
| 19:56:19 | radtuna | its pocket-sized |
| 19:56:28 | radtuna | not shirt-pocket, maybe |
| 19:56:32 | radtuna | but pants pocket |
| 19:56:35 | sgodsell | Like the hp700 series |
| 19:56:39 | radtuna | smaller than those |
| 19:56:43 | radtuna | and lighter |
| 19:56:55 | radtuna | not much smaller, but enough to notice |
| 19:57:09 | radtuna | 60% of the weight |
| 19:57:32 | radtuna | maybe the same lenght-width, but much less thick |
| 19:58:11 | sgodsell | Hmmm, sub-notebook comes to mind |
| 19:58:25 | sgodsell | ;) |
| 19:58:32 | radtuna | i can't see the point in subnotebooks actually, |
| 19:59:07 | radtuna | to *me* the salient difference between a "laptop" and a "handheld" is whether or not you can carry it on your person, in ordinary clothing |
| 19:59:12 | radtuna | pockets and the like |
| 19:59:20 | radtuna | laptops, you carry in your hand, or in a bag |
| 19:59:25 | radtuna | there's no other way |
| 19:59:50 | sgodsell | Well the psion you need a really big pocket, or a bag |
| 19:59:52 | radtuna | subnotebooks you carry in your hand or in a bag. little tiny bag, but its still extra rap to lug |
| 19:59:59 | radtuna | i have big pockets :/ |
| 20:00:01 | sgodsell | same thing with the hp 700 series |
| 20:00:12 | radtuna | a little smaller than the 700, mind you |
| 20:00:35 | radtuna | i think if i had a 720 it would bother me more to carry |
| 20:00:36 | [E]Fox | hmm |
| 20:00:41 | [E]Fox | I am looking forward to tablet size stuff |
| 20:00:44 | sgodsell | So in a shirt pocket the psion looks good, does it |
| 20:01:01 | radtuna | heh |
| 20:01:04 | [E]Fox | I think thats where its gonna be at |
| 20:01:12 | [E]Fox | digital clipboard |
| 20:01:13 | [E]Fox | ehehe |
| 20:01:42 | radtuna | e-fox: i want either a cheap/disposable, or a goddamned bulletproof tablet, if it comes to that |
| 20:01:43 | sgodsell | Well each to his own, I guess |
| 20:01:49 | [E]Fox | True, true |
| 20:01:56 | [E]Fox | I just want more screen area |
| 20:02:07 | radtuna | if i could treat it like a clipboard, and bash it around and not have to worry about damaging it, that would be a significant plus |
| 20:02:25 | [E]Fox | remind me not to loan you my ipaq |
| 20:02:31 | [E]Fox | ;)( |
| 20:02:33 | radtuna | heh :) |
| 20:02:50 | [E]Fox | bah,they'd be safer with anyone besides me actually |
| 20:03:06 | radtuna | don't carry your ipaq to the places I go,then |
| 20:03:21 | [E]Fox | I've probably seen more broken ipaqs than 99.99% of people who do not actually make a living with them in some way |
| 20:03:46 | radtuna | do you breakt hem? |
| 20:03:59 | [E]Fox | I've only broken one |
| 20:03:59 | radtuna | or watch other people breaking theirs? |
| 20:04:02 | [E]Fox | and that was a suicide |
| 20:04:08 | [E]Fox | no, they were all mine except for two |
| 20:04:27 | [E]Fox | at one point I had 5 ipaqs |
| 20:04:34 | radtuna | screen, or other parts? |
| 20:04:43 | [E]Fox | my breakage was screen |
| 20:04:47 | radtuna | my psion's case is pretty much disintegrating |
| 20:04:50 | [E]Fox | one had a caved in power button |
| 20:04:53 | radtuna | the screen is fine |
| 20:04:58 | radtuna | annd it works great |
| 20:05:04 | [E]Fox | one didn't turn back on after it was turned off |
| 20:05:13 | [E]Fox | or maybe it didnt turn off |
| 20:05:15 | [E]Fox | I forget |
| 20:06:14 | [E]Fox | I was doing a carepaq for myself and a co-worker, so they got sent... the wrong units were sent (& one didnt work) so another couple came... so before I handed off the good one and sent back the bad ones I had like 4 of them in a pile |
| 20:06:21 | [E]Fox | and then I'm on my 3rd one since then |
| 20:06:22 | radtuna | hm |
| 20:06:25 | radtuna | on the other hand, |
| 20:06:33 | [E]Fox | last two were bootloader-ectomies |
| 20:07:00 | radtuna | if i'm building a borgish wearable, maybe i should go with the subnotebook/backpack route |
| 20:07:09 | radtuna | much more flexible, even if its heavy |
| 20:07:13 | radtuna | and requires the backpack |
| 20:07:18 | [E]Fox | hmm |
| 20:07:27 | [E]Fox | who sells goggles, anyway |
| 20:07:31 | radtuna | the palmtop wearable would require a belt pouch |
| 20:09:20 | [E]Fox | hud goggles would be neat |
| 20:09:44 | radtuna | a few places. |
| 20:09:45 | [E]Fox | I considered trying to mount the ipaq in a swim mask for a brief period |
| 20:09:48 | radtuna | www.tekgear.ca |
| 20:10:23 | radtuna | has a 320x200 greyscale, very borg-ish for $500 |
| 20:10:27 | [E]Fox | no ping response |
| 20:10:37 | [E]Fox | hmm |
| 20:10:45 | [E]Fox | Is there like, one with a VGA input on the market? |
| 20:10:50 | radtuna | yep! |
| 20:10:53 | [E]Fox | not even HUD, maybe VR-type goggles |
| 20:11:01 | radtuna | tekgear m-1 |
| 20:11:08 | [E]Fox | no ping response :) |
| 20:11:10 | radtuna | is 320x200xgrey monocle |
| 20:11:10 | [E]Fox | oh well |
| 20:11:15 | [E]Fox | laugh monocle |
| 20:11:21 | radtuna | maybe it doesn't like your icmp? |
| 20:11:34 | [E]Fox | nope, dns doesnt like it |
| 20:11:44 | [E]Fox | hum |
| 20:11:53 | radtuna | 205.200.36.58 |
| 20:11:59 | [E]Fox | danke! |
| 20:12:14 | radtuna | takes VGA or ntsc |
| 20:12:25 | [E]Fox | ωνω BitchX: nslookup of host www.tekgear.ca failed. |
| 20:12:25 | radtuna | standard 15pin D-sub |
| 20:12:37 | [E]Fox | grayscale is gonna keep me a mile away from that shit |
| 20:12:39 | [E]Fox | :) |
| 20:13:03 | radtuna | they have a color 800x600 that's binocular |
| 20:13:10 | radtuna | but opaque |
| 20:13:11 | [E]Fox | thats more my speed |
| 20:13:14 | radtuna | not see through or around |
| 20:13:18 | [E]Fox | 100% fine |
| 20:13:20 | [E]Fox | :) |
| 20:13:39 | radtuna | also looks pretty dorky |
| 20:13:50 | [E]Fox | also fine; I'm not gonna be blind out in public |
| 20:14:05 | radtuna | cy-visor ($900) |
| 20:14:20 | [E]Fox | damn this new pcmcia sleeve anyway |
| 20:14:21 | [E]Fox | :) |
| 20:14:46 | [E]Fox | I can't believe I fry my ipaq on the day I get it. I was so psyched for not having a naked 'paq |
| 20:15:06 | radtuna | how'd you fry it? |
| 20:15:36 | [E]Fox | Installed the pocketpc2002 pre-release RTM that can only address 32 megs |
| 20:15:49 | [E]Fox | I grew impatient and tried to uninstall it |
| 20:16:05 | radtuna | your own fault, for not loading linux first |
| 20:16:22 | radtuna | and for actually trying to upgrade a microsoft product :( |
| 20:16:55 | pattieja | is away: I'm busy |
| 20:17:51 | [E]Fox | heh |
| 20:17:53 | [E]Fox | true |
| 20:17:57 | [E]Fox | I do work for them though so :P |
| 20:18:49 | [E]Fox | is not evil, he swears |
| 20:18:59 | [E]Fox | Ping statistics for 205.200.36.58: |
| 20:19:00 | [E]Fox | Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss), |
| 20:19:04 | [E]Fox | bah. |
| 20:19:41 | [E]Fox | I give up. :) |
| 20:20:01 | radtuna | where's your traceroute die? |
| 20:20:18 | [E]Fox | ...lessee |
| 20:21:44 | [E]Fox | hmmmmmmm |
| 20:21:56 | [E]Fox | its confused by the firewall proxy. :/ |
| 20:22:06 | [E]Fox | or rather the proxy is confused by the address |
| 20:22:32 | [E]Fox | hmm but the web page has loaded |
| 20:22:33 | [E]Fox | lovely |
| 20:22:50 | [E]Fox | fear a two-handed wrist keyboard |
| 20:22:52 | [E]Fox | ahaha |
| 20:26:22 | [E]Fox | fwiw, the upgrade wasnt the problem this time |
| 20:26:31 | [E]Fox | it was the downgrade that bit me |
| 21:12:44 | sgodsell | is away: I have got to go! |
| 21:24:17 | mlp | hello nikos |
| 21:24:52 | mlp | can somebody guide me how to link C++ functions from C code ? |
| 21:25:29 | nikos | mlp: These are global functions or member functions? |
| 21:27:35 | nikos | mlp: I'm more or less a newbie with C and C++ myself, I doubt I could provide any help. |
| 21:27:48 | nikos | mlp: I've got to go unfortuntely. Try #C or #C++ |
| 21:28:01 | mlp | ok :) thanks nikos |
| 22:53:00 | sgodsell | is back (gone 04:23:59) |
