| 02:28:38 | jdavis | hi all |
| 02:28:59 | sgodsell | Hello jdavis |
| 02:29:25 | jdavis | so whats the best model number ipaq to buy for linux purposes? |
| 02:30:02 | sgodsell | That is a loaded question, How much do you have, or want to spend |
| 02:30:23 | sjohnson | It depends. :> |
| 02:30:28 | sgodsell | jdavis, so you are a mandrake man |
| 02:30:34 | jdavis | company is buying for research I know there are so many model numbers |
| 02:30:36 | jdavis | yeppers |
| 02:30:51 | jdavis | CTCP is cool |
| 02:31:01 | sgodsell | Well get the 3670 |
| 02:31:13 | jdavis | and why tthat one? |
| 02:31:15 | sgodsell | with the dual sleeve |
| 02:31:24 | jdavis | Aah |
| 02:31:30 | sjohnson | jdavis: 64MB of ram. |
| 02:31:30 | sgodsell | Well it has 64Mb |
| 02:31:39 | jdavis | another plus |
| 02:32:04 | jdavis | 2 pcmcia slots will be nice, one for 802.11 and one for more memory |
| 02:32:17 | sgodsell | Storage |
| 02:32:27 | jdavis | right |
| 02:32:51 | jdavis | exellent |
| 02:32:55 | sjohnson | And 3x battery capacity. |
| 02:33:00 | jdavis | Didnt know that |
| 02:33:43 | jdavis | it just keeps getting better. i must admit I spent an hour looking and researching all the different models, and got sick of navigating through compaq's site |
| 02:33:55 | jdavis | so i figured someone here would know |
| 02:34:27 | sgodsell | well you still have to decide. |
| 02:34:31 | sjohnson | Best place to ask. Several people from Compaq frequent these IRC channels as well. |
| 02:34:43 | jdavis | Cool. i'll have to spend more time here |
| 02:35:02 | jdavis | All I know is they want the best |
| 02:35:19 | jdavis | I just said i'd take on the project |
| 02:35:23 | sjohnson | jdavis: Also tru #handhelds.org, #familiar, and #intimate. |
| 02:35:37 | jdavis | Which one is release ready? |
| 02:35:53 | sjohnson | jdavis: Linux release? |
| 02:39:12 | sjohnson | jdavis: And the mailing lists at handhelds.org are a good resource also. |
| 02:40:29 | jdavis | exellent. what do you mean linux release. i was trying to figure out the difference between intimate and familiar |
| 02:41:03 | sjohnson | Ah. Familiar is the linux installed on the internal Flash ram of the iPAQ. |
| 02:41:43 | jdavis | and intimate? |
| 02:41:50 | jdavis | just smaller? |
| 02:41:57 | sjohnson | Intimate is a debian variant that goes on an external storage device. It used familiar to pivotroot into it. General people use a 340MB microdrive to intall intimate. |
| 02:43:01 | sjohnson | But intimate has been installed on large CF cards and jffs2 can be used to store more on the CF card. |
| 02:43:18 | jdavis | Now you've gone over my newbie head |
| 02:43:47 | jdavis | pivotroot? jffs2? |
| 02:44:11 | sjohnson | jffs2 is a compressed, journaling file system that is used in Familiar. It gives a R/W file system on flash. |
| 02:44:47 | jdavis | Aah ok |
| 02:44:51 | jdavis | and pivotroot? |
| 02:45:05 | sjohnson | pivotroot is a method of changing the root device of a linux server. Like booting from and IDE device and switching to a FibreChannel mounted drive. |
| 02:45:32 | sjohnson | The IDE device is no longer mounted. |
| 02:45:45 | jdavis | Ok.. so why wouldn't you just mount all at boot and not worry about it? |
| 02:46:02 | jdavis | o |
| 02:46:39 | jdavis | how does that apply to the Ipaq? boot to the 16 meg internal and switchover to the CF? |
| 02:46:48 | sjohnson | jffs2 is a bit memory intensive. All of the writes are to a journal. The kernel have to build a memory index for the fiel structure. |
| 02:47:01 | jdavis | just loike in regular linux |
| 02:47:25 | jdavis | updatedb and whatnot |
| 02:47:48 | sjohnson | jdavis: It is more or less. But binaries are stipped of debugging information and a lite packaging system is used. |
| 02:48:15 | jdavis | so its a super simplified version/. |
| 02:48:16 | jdavis | ? |
| 02:48:58 | sjohnson | Yes. Familiar used a package system called ipkg. It's similar to apt-get/dpkg but data files are much smaller. |
| 02:49:08 | jdavis | w/o all the bells and whisles |
| 02:49:20 | jdavis | cool |
| 02:49:46 | sjohnson | You can do things ipkg 'ipkg upgrade' to update all of your installed packages. |
| 02:50:10 | jdavis | ok |
| 02:50:27 | sjohnson | And 'ipkg install name.pkg' or 'ipkg install http://site/package.ipk' |
| 02:50:58 | jdavis | ... I really have to get my hands on one of these soon if they want me to do much more than research... even for that |
| 02:51:05 | sjohnson | It works a lot like the debian stuff. you an even used .debs to build .ipkgs |
| 02:51:20 | jdavis | never used Debian |
| 02:51:55 | sgodsell | Dont worry, just another linux version ;) |
| 02:51:56 | sjohnson | Same here. apt-get does have it's advantage over rpm |
| 02:52:45 | jdavis | what 802.11 card do you use? |
| 02:52:55 | sjohnson | jdavis: Also look at handhelds.org. It's Wiki pages have a lot of information to your can look at also. |
| 02:53:01 | jdavis | ok |
| 02:53:06 | jdavis | I am ont hat page now |
| 02:53:13 | sjohnson | I'm using an SMC2632W card (prism2) |
| 02:54:46 | jdavis | Well, thanks for the leanin' I'll be back for more! |
| 03:13:12 | nikos | night |
| 03:13:17 | nikos | I'm really gone this time... |
| 03:13:31 | nikos | well, guess I could check email first |
| 04:43:58 | DragonEagle_dennys | is away: coffeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 06:47:24 | DragonEagle | is back |
| 08:35:35 | Master_oD | nikos: are you here |
| 20:36:47 | TonyG | Sorry about popping in and out, first time with this client. Anyway, I just installed Familiar on my IPaq. It all seems fine except I cant see either the microdrive or the ethernet card in the cradle |
| 20:37:13 | TonyG | DO I have to do anything special to make the pc-interface work? |
| 20:37:42 | Disconnect | TonyG: try #handhelds.org - seems to be where everyone is right now |
| 20:37:52 | TonyG | Thanks! |
| 21:02:51 | sjohnson | is away: headed home |
| 22:17:39 | Master_oD | nikos: ? |
| 23:53:51 | Nermal | anyone good with bootloader protection ? |
| 23:55:03 | gregday | Disconnect here?? |
| 23:55:16 | Nermal | --- [Disconnect] is away (is away: (food) [BX-MsgLog On]) |
| 23:55:17 | Nermal | :| |