03:59:38 | cdm|qnx | anyone in here know much about L4? |
04:37:19 | test | test-ipaq |
06:01:10 | jeffrey | jacques,are you here? |
06:02:25 | jeffrey | pisymbol ? |
06:02:41 | jeffrey | catch23? |
06:04:33 | jeffrey | sNewpy? |
07:24:09 | sosman | nearly but not quite! Familiar install on ipaq won't boot. |
07:26:18 | kirma | have you set all those bootloader parameters? |
07:27:02 | sosman | nominally yes - still checking for typos... |
07:27:37 | sosman | boot says "unrecognized kernel image" but md5's check out and no errors reported during flash. |
07:29:00 | kirma | err |
07:29:12 | kirma | hmm |
07:29:13 | kirma | ponder |
07:29:22 | kirma | do you have old bootloader or something |
07:30:39 | sosman | I used bootldr-0000-2.14.8 |
07:37:17 | slowcoder | krima: 16 / 32 mb flash ? |
07:38:17 | kirma | don't ask me... ;> |
07:38:32 | slowcoder | kirma: Sorry... Mismatch.. :) |
07:38:40 | slowcoder | sosman: 16 / 32 mb flash ? |
07:40:10 | sosman | 16 MB - terminal session at http://metrak.com/ipaq/session-flash-0.4.txt |
07:41:17 | sosman | The last bit of the session got chopped off but it didn't report anything "abnormal". |
07:44:30 | sosman | BTW since I have the bootloader flashed, I take it I can cycle the power without rendering the unit useless? |
07:44:56 | sosman | I can still see tux and have the boot> prompt. |
07:48:03 | kirma | ei kyllä kauheesti inspirois olla duunissa tämmösellä ilmalla |
07:48:09 | slowcoder | Q: Some of the output seems garbled... |
07:48:10 | kirma | oops, wrong window |
07:48:16 | slowcoder | krima: No shit.. |
07:48:25 | slowcoder | sosman: Some of the output seems garbled... |
07:48:51 | slowcoder | sosman: Have you 'partition define kernel 0x80000 0x80000 0' |
07:49:21 | sosman | So you saw that too. I thought I had just drunk too much beer. |
07:51:06 | sosman | "partition define kernel 0x80000 0x80000 0" is at the end of a line with many backspaces. |
07:55:18 | sosman | just before "defining partition: kernel" |
07:55:28 | slowcoder | Beer + ipaq-flashing == ??? |
07:55:55 | sosman | They are driving down a hill when the car just totally barfs. |
07:56:09 | sosman | The mechanical engineer is the first to get out and lift the bonnet. |
07:57:05 | sosman | ... mor ber |
07:57:45 | sosman | Anyway he can't find anything wrong with it and suggests they tow it. |
07:58:06 | sosman | So the scientist gets out and says crap, there must be a simple explanation. |
07:58:43 | sosman | After screwing around he is stumped too and say's yep lets tow it. |
07:59:48 | sosman | The programmer doesn't even bother to get out and the other guys say "don't you know anything about cars?" |
08:00:41 | sosman | Do you promise you will still help - the punchline is pretty crappy? |
08:01:56 | sosman | slowcoder: you mean try reloading the kernel? |
08:02:38 | slowcoder | sosman: Yep |
08:02:59 | sosman | I knew it, you were the programmer in that car. |
08:03:03 | slowcoder | Although, I might have to leave quite soon... Awaiting a visit from a customer |
08:03:28 | sosman | He said, just take it to the top of hill and try it again, its sure to work next time. |
08:03:43 | slowcoder | *lol* |
08:05:58 | sosman | so this is the kernel I should load? "052e2790e63763770ad3d54a362332ab zImage-2.4.3-rmk2-np1" |
08:07:10 | sosman | which is just a symlink to ...fam2 |
08:08:58 | sosman | Just started back at the top of the hill, when it loads, do I just try "boot"? |
08:10:07 | slowcoder | Do you get the 'verifying ... done.' |
08:10:08 | slowcoder | ? |
08:10:21 | sosman | yep |
08:10:22 | slowcoder | Godda go... Sorry... |
08:10:30 | sosman | thanks |
08:10:31 | slowcoder | Load the root-image as well.. |
08:10:43 | sosman | ok |
08:11:00 | sosman | it worked! |
08:11:20 | sosman | Just goes to show, that programmer was pretty smart. |
08:13:02 | sosman | Ok - so where is alt-ctrl-bs? All I have is X with a cursor. |
08:14:14 | Solak | Hello. |
08:14:25 | sosman | hi |
08:20:07 | sosman | its broken again. |
08:20:32 | sosman | After I rebooted I got "Unrecognized kernel image" |
09:03:12 | mandor | hi |
09:03:23 | cdm|qnx | hello mandor |
09:05:55 | mandor | :) |
09:06:04 | mandor | there4s anx on ipaq? :) |
09:06:10 | mandor | arg |
09:06:15 | mandor | there's qnx on ipaq? :) |
09:09:04 | mandor | needs some info about how the kernel manage cache ... |
09:10:07 | cdm|qnx | ;) |
09:10:10 | cdm|qnx | yes there is. |
09:10:17 | cdm|qnx | not public yet but it will soon be! |
09:17:48 | mandor | hmmm.. what do u mean? |
09:17:57 | mandor | in fact, I've a software wich crash |
09:18:05 | mandor | I suspect it needs more memory |
09:18:14 | mandor | when I run loadmeter, |
09:18:27 | mandor | the mem. seems full |
09:18:33 | mandor | but there's a lot of cache .. |
09:18:47 | mandor | and it seems to not been released.. |
09:29:26 | cdm|qnx | mandor: I mean that QNX has not released the stuff I have been doing yet. ;) |
09:29:45 | flush | hi! anyone here using pocketlinux? |
09:30:21 | Solak | not me (yet). |
09:31:08 | flush | ok, so you use ce? |
09:31:09 | Solak | but I plan on using it as soon as I convinced myself it's safe ;-) |
09:31:33 | Solak | flush: yep. |
09:33:00 | flush | k, the pocketlinux installation is pretty buggy i think! vi does not work at all, so i cant use ppp on it =/ just wondering if anyone here got the same prob or now a way to fix it.. |
09:33:04 | mandor | use it |
09:33:14 | Solak | flush: though 'use' is not exactly the term to use, it's more like figuring out (have an ipaq for only 1 day now ;-)) |
09:33:34 | mandor | vi works on my ipaq, openssh too |
09:33:52 | mandor | flush : hmm.. I use the familiar distro however |
09:34:52 | flush | ?? weird!! i get: cant find libncurses.so.5 |
09:37:45 | mandor | any idea about how to flush the cache? |
09:43:01 | cdm|qnx | mandor: which cache? |
09:43:40 | mandor | cdm|qnx : the one you see in /proc/meminfo |
09:43:57 | mandor | cdm|qnx > you're currently working on qnx for ipaq? |
09:44:46 | mandor | hi murst =) |
09:44:48 | cdm|qnx | mandor: yeah I am. |
09:44:53 | cdm|qnx | but I must run now. |
09:44:57 | cdm|qnx | I will catach you here some other time. |
09:45:01 | cdm|qnx | g;bight |
09:45:07 | mandor | bye |
09:45:23 | murst | hello |
09:49:23 | | kirma: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
09:49:23 | kirma | ibot: weather efhk |
09:49:28 | kirma | bleh |
09:56:18 | jacques | god ximian is pissing me off |
09:56:31 | jacques | WTF do they think they are? MS? |
09:57:06 | mandor | :/ |
10:09:36 | slowcoder | jacques: Huh?? What about ximian ? |
10:14:38 | jacques | slowcoder: i am trying to get galeon working |
10:14:49 | jacques | it wants new versions of gnome packages |
10:14:57 | jacques | recommends getting ximian rpms |
10:15:10 | jacques | ximian site does not have any links where I can just download the rpms |
10:15:22 | jacques | it wants me to download their "installer" |
10:16:36 | jacques | installer is huge for what it does, stupidly written - does not resize, does not give shoice of dl dir, wants to dl > 90MB of rpms as the "minimal install", and DOES NOT NOTICE WHEN THE PARTITION TO WHICH IT IS DOWNLOADING RUNS OUT OF SPACE |
10:17:20 | jacques | and their support mailing list is a classic lots of ppl with problems whose questions are never answered |
10:17:41 | jacques | also, they for some reason do not have eny mirrors on the US west of boston |
10:17:54 | slowcoder | :) |
10:17:58 | slowcoder | Shiit happends.. |
10:18:00 | slowcoder | :) |
10:18:07 | jacques | that's a whole lot of shit all right |
10:18:45 | jacques | i dont need a stinking fancy installer to get rpms installed. |
10:18:55 | jacques | hell I usually stay away from prebuilt binaries |
10:19:40 | jacques | and I just love that the minimal install is > 90MB of rpms |
10:19:43 | jacques | OH I FORGOT |
10:20:14 | jacques | the rpms that did download before it filled the /var partition - they will not pass the rpm -K md5sum check - none I tested did |
10:20:27 | jacques | I have never seen an RPM that did not |
10:20:38 | jacques | unless it was corrupt of course |
10:22:04 | jacques | I am not impressed. |
10:28:18 | slowcoder | Neither am i... Imho, RPMs suck.. All packaging systems do.. |
10:29:02 | slowcoder | *gone* |
11:13:35 | sosman | Well I drove down the hill a couple of times and now I can boot familiar. |
11:22:29 | slowcoder | sosman: Congrats |
12:43:08 | robl^ | good morning |
12:43:49 | nikos | Hello robl^ |
12:44:14 | robl^ | hi nikos |
12:45:44 | robl^ | I just got my iPaq. I'm trying to understand the differences between PocketLinux, handheld, familiar, and intimate. I'm having trouble deciding which I need/want to install. |
12:46:33 | nikos | Let's see. Handhelds distribution was a demonstration that is now dead and replaced by Familiar. |
12:46:52 | nikos | PocketLinux is a Java system installed on top of either the handhelds or familiar distributions. |
12:47:20 | nikos | Intimate is a Debian installation that requires additional storage such as a microdrive or NFS and is installed in conjunction with Familiar. |
12:48:07 | nikos | Familiar is a debian-like distribution designed to fit within the FlashROM and be very flexible. |
12:48:25 | robl^ | hrmmm. so.. for someone just getting their feet wet with Linux on an IPaq, I shold prolly go with the PocketLinux. it seems very straight forward. |
12:49:16 | nikos | I work with the Familiar distribution, I don't have an unbiased opinion. |
12:49:28 | slowcoder | I do... |
12:49:40 | slowcoder | I prefer Familiar with QPE ontop. |
12:50:06 | slowcoder | Btw, when is Fam .5 out ? |
12:51:40 | nikos | slowcoder: Talk to a7r. |
12:59:55 | robl^ | nikos: is familiar difficult to install? I'm pretty versed with Linux... just not a handheld |
13:01:06 | nikos | robl^: No, as long as you follow the instructions it is fairly simple. I have to ask though, what is your goal? |
13:01:29 | nikos | robl^: Familiar as it stands is heavily under development and is not a PDA system. |
13:05:24 | robl^ | nikos: to play and to provide simple addressbook/calendar nad email. Since I use Linux for everything else at home, I want to use Linux on a handheld. |
13:06:37 | nikos | robl^: Familiar will not provide those capabilities out of the box. This is a v0.* development release. This is only really ready for hackers/developers. |
13:09:21 | robl^ | hrmm. I think I'll give PocketLinux a bash for now. |
13:18:26 | slowcoder | robl^: QPE gives you that functionality.. |
13:18:40 | slowcoder | <- Really likes QPE |
13:18:43 | Solak | nikos: do I understand it correctly that PocketLinux can be installed on top of CE? |
13:19:07 | nikos | Solak: I know very little about PocketLinux. |
13:19:10 | robl^ | QPE? Isn't that the the embeded Qt kit? |
13:19:36 | slowcoder | Solak: I am fairly certain it requires Linux to run.. |
13:19:41 | slowcoder | robl^: Yup.. |
13:19:46 | | i think qpe is at http://qpe.sourceforge.net |
13:19:46 | slowcoder | ibot: qpe ? |
13:21:03 | Solak | nikos: ok, well I asked because of what you said about it (JavaSystem on top of ...) |
13:21:33 | nikos | Solak: :) That's about the whole of my knowledge. |
13:22:00 | Solak | nikos: :) |
13:22:35 | Solak | thinks there are not enough open (cross)development tools for CE... |
13:22:57 | slowcoder | nikos: About Zope.... |
13:23:19 | slowcoder | Solak: M$ is offering embedded VC++ and VB for free.... |
13:23:30 | slowcoder | Solak: Not open, but free.. |
13:23:31 | nikos | slowcoder: free != open |
13:23:36 | nikos | :) |
13:23:57 | slowcoder | I wouldn't wanna touch M$s code with a stick even... |
13:24:29 | slowcoder | nikos: Work is piling up here.. I won't have time to dig into Zope for at least a week or so.. |
13:25:15 | nikos | slowcoder: I understand. Anything you can do is great. |
13:26:36 | robl^ | hrmm. so I could run QPE on top of familiar? |
13:26:45 | slowcoder | robl^: Yep |
13:26:54 | slowcoder | robl^: That's what I do. |
13:27:13 | nikos | That's the only way it does run. |
13:27:49 | robl^ | slowcoder: hrmmmm. |
13:28:54 | nikos | All of these other projects are packages installed ontop of Familiar. They are software packages, not distributions. |
13:33:06 | robl^ | nikos: kewl! All I need is my serial cable. my ipaq was bundled with the USB cradle |
13:33:21 | nikos | robl^: Or you can modify your cradle if you want. |
13:33:24 | | ipaq serial is at http://handhelds.org/minihowto/h3600-serial-cable.html |
13:33:24 | nikos | ibot: ipaq serial |
13:36:39 | robl^ | nikos: I already ordered the cable and it will be here tomorrow morning |
13:38:00 | nikos | robl^: Cool. The cable is easier to deal with that a cradle anyway. |
13:38:05 | nikos | s/that/than/ |
13:38:43 | nikos | robl^: The only point where a custom cradle comes in extremely handy is with usbnet. The modified cradle can be used for USB and serial simultaneously. |
13:39:21 | robl^ | hrmm. I'm not skilled with a soldering iron though. I'll make it a future project |
13:39:57 | nikos | robl^: Cool. Depending on your cradle, you may not need to use a soldering iron. But it is somewhat tedious either way. |
13:43:45 | robl^ | nikos: all I know is that I'll need a drill to open up my cradle |
13:44:25 | nikos | robl^: ? You just need a Torx 6 driver. |
13:44:40 | nikos | robl^: Or do you mean open a place for the new cable? |
14:37:27 | robl^ | I'm back! how dare my employer pull me away from my IRC. :) |
14:39:29 | nikos | :) |
14:47:01 | nikos | is away: Errand |
15:04:29 | nikos | is back |
15:13:20 | robl^ | welcome back nikos |
15:48:49 | robl^ | slowcoder: are ya around? |
15:50:36 | slowcoder | robl^: Yea |
15:52:49 | robl^ | slowcoder: how do I transfer files with a base install. if the serial port is used for a console, how do I make a PPP connection? |
15:53:46 | slowcoder | robl^: The first thing that I do is setting up a PPP connection between the ipaq and my workstation... After that, I use ssh to get a terminal and ftp from the ipaq |
15:54:09 | slowcoder | Did that make sense ? |
15:59:15 | robl^ | yeah. sorta. so ssh is included in the base filesystem? |
15:59:51 | nikos | robl^: Yes, but make sure you did the ipkg install_pending steps from the directions. |
16:00:07 | nikos | robl^: and /etc/init.d/ssh start if you don't reboot. |
16:02:46 | robl^ | I kinda understand the idea. I'll prolly have some questions after I get it partialy setup tomorrow. |
16:03:57 | robl^ | nikos & slowcoder: thanks for the info. I think once I do this once, I'll be fine. |
16:45:21 | robl^ | off to lunch |
17:22:31 | Solak | Hello. |
17:30:02 | nikos | Hello Solak |
17:44:51 | Solak | hmm, it seems that installing a Linux distribution on my ipaq is the only alternative... |
17:45:22 | Solak | since I want to do some development for it. |
18:11:16 | jamieson | hello - anyone here using the dual-slot PCMCIA sleeve successfully? |
18:16:10 | jamieson | hi- is anyone succcessfull using the dual-slot PCMCIA sleeve with the handhelds.org linux kernel? |
18:19:10 | nikos | jamieson: You have to have a later kernel compile |
18:19:45 | jamieson | which version? |
18:20:05 | nikos | jamieson: K2_4_4-rmk3-np1-demo1 works. I think its possible to get some modules to load with 2.4.3 as well |
18:20:07 | | 244 is ftp://lothlorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/ |
18:20:07 | nikos | ibot: 244 |
18:20:25 | nikos | jamieson: I think there's some stuff at that URL. |
18:20:37 | jamieson | 2.4.5-rmk4-np1 is what i'm using :( |
18:21:09 | nikos | jamieson: Do you have the appropriate modules loaded? |
18:21:30 | jamieson | i have h3600-sleeve and h3600_backpaq loaded, among others. |
18:21:47 | nikos | jamieson: That's about all I can help. I don't have a dual sleeve, maybe someone else will be able to help. |
18:21:58 | jamieson | my problem is that cardmgr is saying unsupported card in socket 1 |
18:21:58 | jamieson | and no product info available |
18:22:15 | nikos | jamieson: Are you sure that's not simply true? |
18:22:36 | jamieson | you mean which modules are loaded? |
18:23:05 | jamieson | lsmod shows that h3600-sleeve and h3600_backpaq are loaded, for sure. |
18:25:18 | nikos | As I said, I've given you all the information I know I'm afraid. :( |
18:25:25 | nikos | Tangent: Are you around? |
18:25:51 | jamieson | ok- thx for trying |
18:29:10 | ToyKeeper | Do you know if newer kernels fix the battery-usage-while-suspended problem? |
18:29:16 | ToyKeeper | Or is that the bootloader's problem? |
18:29:42 | robl^ | wonder if I can get postgresql working on the ipaq. :-) (j/k) |
18:37:51 | nikos | robl^: It's been done. And Ross Reedstrom is working on a project to build a version that works better with a low storage system. |
18:38:32 | robl^ | nikos: really? I'm a huge fan of sql servers storing data. |
18:38:53 | nikos | robl^: Same here. |
18:39:43 | nikos | http://greatbridge.org/project/pocketpgsql/projdisplay.php |
18:41:17 | robl^ | wow. a good sql engine will really make PIM apps more useable |
18:43:52 | robl^ | I'll keep my eye on that prject. I deal with postgresql and mysql daily, at the office. its good to know I'll soon have a familiar friend on my iPaq |
19:53:16 | nfi | does anyone know of where some instructions are for repairing a palm Vx screen? |
19:53:36 | nfi | i bought the screen but the link for repairing doesnt work anymore |
20:13:28 | nikos | nfi: This is a Compaq iPAQ/Open Source channel. |
20:40:11 | d00d | hello |
20:40:38 | d00d | how can i tweak my USB adaptor to plug slaves in? |
20:41:47 | d00d | any idea? it's to plug an USB modem into the link |
20:42:00 | BBrox | d00d: you cannot. |
20:42:18 | d00d | BBrox: are you sure? |
20:43:17 | d00d | BBrox: what if i somehow create an adaptor that fits into the modem? will that work? |
20:43:42 | d00d | BBrox: or, attaching the cable to an USB hub and plugging other devices there? |
20:44:37 | d00d | BBrox: i just want to make sure it won't work (as the FAQ says) |
20:45:07 | BBrox | d00d: well, you need at least on USB master somewhere |
20:45:14 | BBrox | And the iPAQ is not a master.... |
20:45:19 | nikos | The ipaq is not a USB Master, it's unlikely any handhelds could provide that since a USB master has to supply power. |
20:45:41 | d00d | nikos: is the power supply the onlt problem? |
20:46:08 | d00d | nikos: i have a hub with a power adaptor in it |
20:46:22 | nikos | d00d: No its not the only problem. Its simply a major reason why a handheld would not incorporate USB master capabilities. |
20:46:43 | nikos | d00d: The hardware that does USB master and USB slave is very different. |
20:47:21 | d00d | nikos: but the kernel does let me to send data from userspcae? |
20:49:15 | d00d | nikos: let's suppose i'm able to phisically connect a slave cable with a master device |
20:49:52 | nikos | d00d: Step back. What is the result you are trying to achieve? |
20:50:06 | d00d | nikos: use an USB modem |
20:50:23 | nikos | d00d: I can't see anyway that's going to happen with an ipaq. |
20:50:41 | d00d | iPAQ --> USB hub --> modem |
20:51:15 | nikos | USB hub is a stupid device, it is not a master. |
20:51:26 | d00d | i fix the cable so it's able to fit into the hub, and the hub has its own power supply |
20:51:46 | d00d | yeah, it's very dumb |
20:52:27 | d00d | i mean, will i be able to send data to the modem by writing into /dev/something |
20:52:35 | nikos | d00d: I'm no USB expert. But there's a lot more functionality from a USB master. |
20:52:58 | nikos | d00d: USB slaves NEVER send data. They only respond to requests from the master. |
20:53:06 | d00d | nikos: i've never used USB ;). |
20:53:42 | d00d | nikos: you mean they never send data because the OS doesn't have any reason to send data? |
20:54:13 | d00d | nikos: or is it a hardware limitation? |
20:54:17 | nikos | d00d: That's just the way USB is designed to work. It's a master/slave relationship, driven by the master. |
20:54:33 | d00d | mmh i believe there's a possibility to tweak it |
20:54:57 | nikos | d00d: Then you must know a lot more than I do. |
20:55:25 | d00d | if that problem is designated by the operating system and not by hardware, some tweaking could solve... |
20:56:00 | d00d | nikos: na, i only know about periferials and so. i've never used an USB so i had no idea of it before coming here :) |
20:56:24 | nikos | d00d: I can very easily tell you NO change to an OS is going to make USB slave into USB master. |
20:57:26 | d00d | nikos: but you don't know if that master/slave designation is hardware-based or software-based |
20:57:41 | nikos | d00d: How many different ways can I say it? |
20:58:00 | d00d | nikos: ok i understood you :) |
20:58:02 | nikos | d00d: It is hardware. |
20:58:53 | d00d | sigh, i'll have to plug a serial modem |
20:58:58 | d00d | i'm going |
20:59:33 | d00d | bye |
21:09:19 | jamieson | anyone around here had success with the new dual-slot PCMCIA sleeve? |
21:14:56 | jacques_work | yes, some have |
21:15:03 | jacques_work | but it's not 100% yet |
21:15:28 | ToyKeeper | I still have yet to get usbnet to work. Anyone here had success with it? |
21:16:17 | ToyKeeper | I tried the usbnet.c linked from the howto page, and then the 2.4.5-ac24 kernel. Both let me "insmod usbnet", but "ifconfig usb0" gave me errors about a nonexistent device. |
21:18:54 | jacques_work | ToyKeeper: ok, let's go through it |
21:19:23 | jacques_work | ToyKeeper: the usb0 device is for the PC side, right? |
21:19:36 | ToyKeeper | Yup. |
21:19:47 | jacques_work | ToyKeeper: it will not appear until you plug the ipaq into the USB cradle |
21:20:08 | ToyKeeper | The only thing I noticed which was wrong was that I got a usb error message when I put the ipaq in the cradle. |
21:20:08 | jacques_work | but, before you do that, make sure you have modprobed (and configed) usb-eth on the ipaq |
21:20:24 | jacques_work | ToyKeeper: ah, you should ave gottten an attach message |
21:20:26 | ToyKeeper | usb.c: USB device not accepting new address (error=-110) |
21:20:43 | jacques_work | ToyKeeper: ok, that's usually an indication that the ipaq side is not configed properly |
21:20:57 | ToyKeeper | Okay. I think just what you've told me should help. |
21:21:05 | jacques_work | do you have usbf (or whatever it is) configed on the ipaq? |
21:21:08 | jacques_work | is it up? |
21:21:17 | ToyKeeper | I'll have to reboot to mess with it again, because I normally run 2.2.18. |
21:21:46 | jacques_work | ah, also I don;t know if anyone has tried a kernel as "new" as ac24, but I don;t have any reason to think it should not work |
21:23:11 | ToyKeeper | Anyway, next time I'm working on it, I'll be sure to set up everything on the ipaq first, then plug it in. :) |
21:24:44 | jacques_work | ToyKeeper: right, that should make it work |
21:28:55 | jamieson | jacquesZzZz: do you know who's gotten the dual-slot pcmcia working? |
21:29:22 | jamieson | whoops, i mean jacques_work |
21:29:46 | jacques_work | jamieson: Tangent has |
21:30:18 | | Tangent was last seen on #handhelds.org 13 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: Heh.. now I could flash linux from here :) [Thu Jul 5 22:17:14 2001] |
21:30:18 | jacques_work | ibot: seen Tangent |
21:31:21 | jamieson | thx |
21:31:26 | jacques_work | np |