| 00:30:17 | nelson | Nermal: the EArthmate is a module a little bigger than a deck of cards, not PCMCIA. |
| 00:38:59 | Nermal | a |
| 00:39:01 | Nermal | bugger |
| 00:39:05 | Nermal | how do you use it with the ipaq then ? |
| 00:39:19 | Nermal | notes nelson must have read a long way back :) |
| 00:54:54 | catasdf | Hi iss 40000 cps reasonable during xmodem (115k) transfer ? |
| 00:58:01 | catasdf | That almost half of the serial speed. |
| 01:18:47 | DW | does the current 802.11 support in familiar include ibss mode? |
| 01:22:48 | catch23 | DW, yes the current 802.11b support in familiar DOES SUPPORT ibss mode. |
| 01:23:23 | catch23 | just do a 'iwconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc' |
| 01:24:27 | catch23 | in fact, sometimes when I'm not using my wireless hub when i'm on the road, I can still use my laptop's wireless card in adhoc mode to nfs-mount intimate from familiar. |
| 01:24:42 | catch23 | catasdf? |
| 01:25:00 | catasdf | catch23: yes ? |
| 01:25:28 | catch23 | nevemind... hehe... i'm a grad student at GT in case you wanted to know info about me... |
| 01:25:44 | DW | oh, speakage. |
| 01:25:57 | DW | thanks catch23, that's what I wanted to know |
| 01:26:23 | catasdf | catch23: Is there another way to install familiar other then xmodem ? |
| 01:26:32 | DW | I was too cheap to/didn't want to use an AP, so I just have a box acting as a gateway :) |
| 01:27:38 | catch23 | catasdf, I don't believe so... |
| 01:27:42 | catch23 | xmodem not working? |
| 01:28:00 | catasdf | Sloow 40000 cps I wonder if that is normal. |
| 01:28:02 | catch23 | or... you don't have the serial line? |
| 01:28:18 | catch23 | hehe it takes a long time to flash familiar... 5megs on a slow modem. |
| 01:28:58 | catasdf | since I have a microdrive I wonder if I can download it from there. |
| 01:29:36 | catch23 | oh, well if it's on the microdrive, and you know exactly what hex it is, yes you can. |
| 01:29:57 | catch23 | you can use memcpy... but then i don't think the bootldr actually detects the microdrive anyway, so you're still stuck. |
| 01:30:16 | catasdf | how about using redboot ? |
| 01:30:30 | catch23 | I haven't tried that... |
| 01:30:56 | catch23 | I hear it's good for wince/linux dual booting... but I dont' use wince so... |
| 01:31:18 | catasdf | back to the xmodem. Is it reasonable to download at 40000 cps eventhough the serial is set at 115K |
| 01:32:21 | | redboot is, like, at http://www.redhat.com/embedded/technologies/redboot/ |
| 01:32:21 | DW | redboot? |
| 01:34:46 | DW | oo, that would be cool |
| 01:34:50 | catasdf | I wonder if there is something wrong with my serial cable or computer or ipaq ? |
| 01:36:24 | DW | I would love to have the ability to simply boot linux dynamically, get mobile IP and keyboard support, and NFS mount the rest. Just so I could access the mobile ip network and have wince the rest of the time |
| 01:41:40 | DW | drools at the thought of seemless coexistance like that :) |
| 01:42:05 | DW | knowing of course I'm probably the only one that cares about running linux AND wince :) |
| 01:49:31 | Septor | anyone get PocketLinux to cross compile from an i386 box to their iPaq? |
| 01:55:42 | catch23 | pocket linux? |
| 01:55:59 | DW | different distrib |
| 01:55:59 | catch23 | I used toolchain to crosscompile from an i386 to the ipaq.. |
| 01:56:25 | catch23 | does that run on i386 class machines? or is that something else? |
| 01:56:43 | catch23 | if not, why do they want an i386 crosscompiler? |
| 01:56:54 | DW | out of curiosity, is there any documentation on anyone installing familiar on redboot? |
| 01:57:17 | DW | the installation of redboot itself looks surprisingly simple |
| 01:57:39 | DW | just pushes me to go ahead and buy a compact flash card though :) |
| 01:57:57 | catch23 | why use redboot? do you want to dual boot or something? |
| 01:58:18 | DW | did you not read my message above? |
| 01:59:05 | catch23 | nfs root stuff? |
| 01:59:15 | catch23 | is that want you wanted? |
| 01:59:20 | catch23 | I do that already |
| 01:59:23 | catch23 | with familiar.... |
| 01:59:36 | DW | that was not the point |
| 01:59:56 | catch23 | i'm am unclear what you are getting at? |
| 02:00:26 | DW | I DO want WinCE intact. I only want linux for Mobile IP access, at which point I can NFS mount the filesystem and access X, etc. |
| 02:00:46 | catch23 | DW, ah... now I get it... heh |
| 02:01:19 | DW | linux is useless to me as a manager at this point, so yeah, I do want WinCE for the things it is good for. :) |
| 02:01:58 | catch23 | personally, I feel the ipaq is useless for normal pda-like tasks at the moment... get a palm, but there are so many things the ipaq can do which can be potentially very cool. |
| 02:02:52 | DW | I already use the ipaq as a PDA. I have for months. personally I like it better than a Palm, at least the way I use it |
| 02:03:12 | jacques | catch23: the qpe 1.3.1 stuff looks pretty good for a PDA |
| 02:04:00 | catch23 | hm... any screen shots? that message on the mailing list didn't offer any links to any though :P |
| 02:04:22 | jacques | catch23: hmm, I downloaded the x86 demo and it's pretty cool |
| 02:04:34 | jacques | catch23: it runs in a virtual frame buffer |
| 02:04:55 | catch23 | hmm nice.... |
| 02:05:33 | jacques | catch23: I had to make one symlink because it wasnted a slightly different libstdc++, but afte rthat it ran great |
| 02:10:23 | catasdf | catch23: here some nice screenshot on qpe http://qpe.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:13:08 | catch23 | WOW, that qpe looks really sweet.... |
| 02:19:20 | jacques | it *is* pretty sweet, I would consider having it around for when I want to use my ipaq as a pda |
| 02:19:27 | jacques | instead of a handheld computer |
| 02:49:42 | DW | still wonders if there is any info on redboot and dual booting. I am not finding any experiences in the archives, or google searching |
| 02:50:14 | BZFlag | redboot sits in memory where CE is normally so |
| 02:50:24 | BZFlag | dual boot from flash will not work |
| 02:51:02 | DW | k, I was just going on what catch23 said. was hopeful :( |
| 02:51:05 | BZFlag | however, running osloader and then launching redboot with an initrd might be possible to get it to boot off CF. |
| 02:51:30 | BZFlag | I don't know anyone that has done that though. |
| 02:52:18 | DW | hmm, ok |
| 02:53:56 | BZFlag | If someone would buy me a 32M ipaq, I'd mess around with dual boot that way. ;-) |
| 02:54:25 | DW | you mean the 32 meg rom? |
| 02:55:20 | DW | I have never even seen one, where are people getting them? |
| 02:55:32 | BZFlag | yeah, the 32M rom version. |
| 02:56:05 | BZFlag | there aren't any new ones being made that I know of, they were a limit deal while the 16M parts were hard to come by. |
| 02:56:19 | BZFlag | though I hear that the japanese ipaq might have 32M of flash. |
| 02:57:16 | DW | I have the 3670, it would be awesome if there was a way to segment the ramdisk an use that. |
| 02:58:58 | DW | realistically, I only need an image of a couple megs at most, similar to the linux on floppy distribs |
| 02:59:41 | DW | I wish I had time to get into devel. |
| 03:05:56 | catch23 | according to davep, it's possible using just the bootldr to dual boot I believe (you need the wince version or something) |
| 03:09:00 | DW | yeah, but has he actually done it :) |
| 03:12:01 | BZFlag | the new bootldr/osloader I believe can also load a kernel and ramdisk. that should make it possible. not that you will erase all the ram on the device when you boot to linux, so you need to have backed up the ce ipaq someplace. |
| 03:12:14 | BZFlag | CF card or hotsync should work. |
| 03:12:32 | catch23 | davep has done it... he does it in fact... |
| 03:12:41 | DW | yeah, cf would be convenient enough for ram restoration |
| 03:13:09 | DW | (granted I have to get a cf card) |
| 03:15:23 | DW | it's a shame so few people in the linux community know how to write documentation |
| 03:16:00 | DW | the "I did it, so you can do it" attitude gets old quickly |
| 03:21:10 | DW | of course, I understand the mentality, I've just gotten used to working with people who actually document their work over the last few years, and it is so invaluable. |
| 03:26:43 | DW | something I don't seem to be seeing off the bat, how does familiar handle execution memory space? |
| 03:51:50 | DW | bluh |
| 03:52:17 | DW | well, thanks fo the input anyway. I'll come back around later this week :) |
| 13:24:40 | perfro | hello! |
| 13:25:04 | perfro | anyone alive? |
| 13:25:27 | | hi, nikos |
| 13:25:27 | nikos | Hello |
| 13:25:35 | | :) |
| 13:25:35 | nikos | ibot: have a botsnack |
| 13:26:41 | perfro | does anyone got the installtion files for windows ce on ipaq? i installed pocket linux but forgot to backup ce:) |
| 13:26:49 | perfro | so i need them now, hehe |
| 13:27:10 | nikos | I long since lost mine. |
| 14:10:19 | mallum | is away: stuff to do........ |
| 14:15:22 | gillus | hello |
| 14:16:34 | nikos | Hello gillus |
| 14:23:18 | gillus | I am trying to gain few kilobytes in order to try QPE. |
| 14:23:37 | gillus | Has someone get any clue to what is less important? |
| 14:26:18 | nikos | gillus: Just look through ipkg status. |
| 14:28:57 | nikos | is away: Errands... |
| 14:48:07 | mallum | is back (gone 00:37:48) |
| 15:00:52 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 15:10:53 | nikos | is back |
| 16:24:26 | sjohnson | is back |
| 16:51:53 | mallum | is away: stuff to do........ |
| 17:58:27 | mallum | is back (gone 01:06:34) |
| 17:58:34 | mallum | is away: stuff to do........ |
| 21:20:55 | finrod | Q: is there a good site for a newbie to learn more about linux especially familiar? |
| 21:21:15 | finrod | I have been searching wiki and handhelds till it went down this afternoon |
| 21:21:25 | nikos | finrod: Down? |
| 21:21:38 | nikos | finrod: It all works for me. |
| 21:21:49 | finrod | yeah from about 1200 GMT (from UK) |
| 21:21:49 | nikos | finrod: Might want to check out linux.com, linuxdoc.org. |
| 21:22:00 | nikos | finrod: Must be routing issue again. |
| 21:22:12 | finrod | yeah thought it might be |
| 21:22:44 | finrod | is X for ipaq/familiar the same as other distributions? |
| 21:22:48 | nikos | finrod: Yes. |
| 21:23:01 | finrod | so any generic doc should do. sweet! |
| 21:23:41 | finrod | another thing, spent a long time looking this afternoon, is there a binary of gcc around? |
| 21:23:57 | nikos | finrod: For what platform? |
| 21:24:06 | finrod | familiar on ipaq |
| 21:24:21 | nikos | finrod: You would have to have external storage, a development environment takes considerable space. |
| 21:24:31 | nikos | finrod: In which case I would point you at Intimate. |
| 21:24:34 | finrod | I heard a lot of discouraging info yesterday about cross-compilers. So I don't think I am nearly good enough for that |
| 21:24:48 | nikos | finrod: Use the skiffcluster. |
| 21:24:56 | | skiff is at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 21:24:56 | nikos | ibot: skiff |
| 21:26:08 | finrod | yes will do. can u ftp onto the skiffcluster with the same credentials? |
| 21:26:26 | nikos | finrod: I think so. |
| 21:26:29 | finrod | I was having probs trying that. (there was a binary I wanted to try) |
| 21:26:44 | nikos | finrod: You can't use passive mode with the skiffcluster. |
| 21:26:50 | finrod | using guest and a blank password failed to authenticate |
| 21:27:34 | nikos | finrod: Which one did you try? |
| 21:27:49 | finrod | skiffcluster3 and skiffcluster5 |
| 21:28:12 | nikos | finrod: use skiffcluster1 |
| 21:28:16 | finrod | ok |
| 21:28:35 | nikos | finrod: Files uploaded into /home/ or /home2 are available from all of them, so it doesn't matter which one you ftp into and which one you compile on. |
| 21:29:18 | finrod | nikos++ |
| 21:29:23 | nikos | :) |
| 21:29:28 | finrod | nikos: thanks for that I have access :) |
| 21:29:36 | nikos | skiffcluster2 works for guest as well. |
| 21:29:41 | finrod | cool |
| 21:30:05 | finrod | so I could now compile my own gcc and use it natively? (spare time in work firewalls and all that) |
| 23:04:34 | pisymbol | Hello, hello! |
| 23:04:59 | pisymbol | Is ipaqlinux.com still an active website? |
| 23:08:52 | pisymbol | C'mon, anyone? |
| 23:09:03 | Bub_ | ya |
| 23:09:36 | Bub | it's up now |
| 23:09:46 | Bub | just checked |
| 23:10:15 | pisymbol | Well, yes, but I noticed the discussion forum is down |
| 23:10:24 | pisymbol | And the last news item is about a year old |
| 23:15:01 | pisymbol | okay, how about the mailing lists? |
| 23:16:58 | Bub | ya |
| 23:16:58 | pisymbol | anyone run iPAQ+Linux+iPAQnet? |
| 23:17:06 | Bub | i think the news is does |
| 23:17:08 | Bub | down |
| 23:17:30 | pisymbol | news - oh - what about the forum? |
| 23:17:47 | Bub | i'm assuming it's the same thing |
| 23:18:09 | jacques | what's ipaqnet? |
| 23:18:22 | Bub | i didn't check news, but the discussion group on the web site |
| 23:18:50 | pisymbol | I see - ipaqnet is the wireless networking package |
| 23:18:54 | Bub | btw, if anyone here if the dude who needs a news server for such, lemmie know what's wrong, if it's bandwisth i may be able to help |
| 23:19:23 | Bub | depending on how much bandwidth is involved |
| 23:19:43 | Bub | and my buddy will discount for opensource project bandwidth (near cost) |
| 23:20:00 | pisymbol | nice |
| 23:20:13 | pisymbol | I guess no one is running Linux + wireless? |
| 23:20:33 | Bub | i plan to |
| 23:20:34 | Nermal | yah |
| 23:20:38 | Nermal | Tangent: is |
| 23:20:50 | Bub | i hav ethe expansion pack on order |
| 23:21:07 | Bub | the modem isn't cheap though |
| 23:21:17 | Nermal | Bub: you getting a wireless modem or network card? |
| 23:21:18 | Bub | neither is an ibm microdrive |
| 23:21:24 | Bub | wireless |
| 23:21:33 | Bub | i ordered the pc card pack |
| 23:21:42 | pisymbol | wait - are you running off a local LAN or off of Compaq's network? |
| 23:21:58 | Nermal | um |
| 23:22:03 | Nermal | who ? |
| 23:22:04 | Bub | my phone provide more then likely can support my wireless |
| 23:22:06 | pisymbol | Its like 550+40/month for "anywere" service |
| 23:22:19 | Nermal | o |
| 23:22:24 | Nermal | I mean a local lan card |
| 23:22:26 | Bub | pisymbol: call your local isp's |
| 23:22:27 | Nermal | like 10 bs t |
| 23:22:30 | Nermal | bs = base |
| 23:22:44 | pisymbol | Bub: I doubt my local isp will offer wireless!? |
| 23:23:02 | Bub | your phone company mights, depends where you live |
| 23:23:10 | Nermal | Bub: I mean a wireless modem or a wireless network card |
| 23:23:20 | Bub | both |
| 23:23:24 | Bub | kinda |
| 23:23:32 | pisymbol | That's true Bub - I was just curious if anyone runs off of Compaq's service |
| 23:23:57 | Bub | wireless privite network from your own server, and/or wireless via cellular |
| 23:24:17 | pisymbol | Range is a problem from a personal server |
| 23:24:20 | Bub | it's quite limitless |
| 23:24:29 | Bub | pisymbol: yes |
| 23:24:45 | Bub | well |
| 23:24:46 | pisymbol | But, yeah Bub, crapping on the can and checking your email - nice! |
| 23:25:11 | Bub | hardware to send privite cellular to your handheld nation wide would cost you billions of dolars |
| 23:25:33 | Bub | so we typicaly rent it |
| 23:25:37 | pisymbol | true - put for 40/month you can use Compaq's existing service |
| 23:25:58 | pisymbol | Offtopic (ontopic?) - how easy is it to screw up an install? |
| 23:26:07 | Bub | dunno yes |
| 23:26:13 | Bub | the bootloader scares me |
| 23:26:17 | pisymbol | that bad |
| 23:26:19 | Bub | yes=yet |
| 23:26:22 | Bub | no |
| 23:26:28 | Bub | i only read a bit |
| 23:26:31 | pisymbol | Have you installed Linux? |
| 23:26:43 | Bub | i'm waiting till i'm in the mood to screw with it |
| 23:26:43 | pisymbol | receives his iPAQ 3670 tomorrow! |
| 23:26:57 | Bub | i have the same one, keep comming here |
| 23:27:04 | Bub | we can help eachother |
| 23:27:12 | pisymbol | ttyl. I need to pick up someone from work... |
| 23:27:14 | Bub | i know unix-like os's very well |