| 00:03.41 | arrrghhh | heh |
| 00:03.53 | arrrghhh | over mah head. but OK - regardless, iOS is just boring. |
| 00:04.08 | arrrghhh | been on it for a while now. i'm done with the endless rows of icons |
| 00:04.23 | arrrghhh | apps are pretty sure. but if something crashes it just "disappears" |
| 00:04.27 | arrrghhh | and yes, apps do crash. |
| 00:04.49 | arrrghhh | whole OS designed for the terminally dumb. |
| 00:05.03 | arrrghhh | i don't like OSes that assume i'm an idiot |
| 00:12.40 | jonpry | Alex[sp3dev], i think there is an error in your blog |
| 00:13.07 | jonpry | like c and d should be static int |
| 00:15.48 | jonpry | even then it doesn't work quite right |
| 00:16.04 | jonpry | cause like in java "foo" == "foo" is actually true |
| 00:16.29 | jonpry | because static instances in the same module will end up being shared |
| 00:16.47 | Alex[sp3dev] | not really |
| 00:16.51 | Alex[sp3dev] | they aren't final |
| 00:17.04 | jonpry | so |
| 00:17.14 | jonpry | those types are immutable |
| 00:21.19 | Alex[sp3dev] | jonpry: you can run the example. well, during the static assignment, the Integer.valueOf(int) is called. this method returns a static object if i is in [-128, 127]. that's why the reference equality test succeeds. as for strings, they're always interned. |
| 00:22.41 | jonpry | ic. it has some kind of pool for small Integer objects |
| 00:23.04 | Alex[sp3dev] | yes |
| 00:23.38 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, actually using '==' in java is almost always a bad idea because almost everything is a reference |
| 00:23.53 | jonpry | brain damage eh? |
| 00:24.31 | Alex[sp3dev] | jonpry: that's an euphemism for 'professional deformation' |
| 00:25.52 | Alex[sp3dev] | ok, I admit the post is rude. I'll try to write something positive later |
| 00:26.02 | jonpry | like occupational psychosis? |
| 00:26.17 | arrrghhh | lol |
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| 15:08.37 | fakker | today, i am actually reading a book |
| 15:08.42 | fakker | (at work |
| 15:08.51 | fakker | It's You, Not Everything's Shit |
| 15:09.02 | zeusk_ | a book on hitler ? |
| 15:09.11 | zeusk_ | or stalin ? |
| 15:09.20 | zeusk_ | or obama/osama ? |
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| 15:11.43 | arrrghhh | lol zeusk |
| 15:11.58 | arrrghhh | i like how you put those on the same line |
| 15:13.26 | fakker | I have to tell you- |
| 15:13.26 | fakker | everything is not shit, |
| 15:13.26 | fakker | so, it's just you. |
| 15:14.00 | arrrghhh | fakker, are you sure. |
| 15:15.03 | fakker | yea |
| 15:17.18 | fakker | you should read it haha |
| 15:17.26 | fakker | it's not a proper book - it's just like a dictionary |
| 15:17.35 | fakker | the part about helping a tourist is awesome |
| 15:18.22 | zeusk_ | who in their right mind helps a tourist ? |
| 15:18.48 | fakker | http://itisjustyoueverythingsnotshit.blogspot.co.uk/2007/05/helping-lost-tourists.html |
| 15:18.56 | fakker | well, in London - you get asked like 10 times a day |
| 15:19.45 | zeusk_ | I once told a man from Singapore which train station to get off at and he proceeded to take a photograph of me, note down my address and once he got back home he sent me a thank you card and a copy of the photo |
| 15:20.26 | helicopter88 | I love when they don't figure I'm a tourist and ask me things |
| 15:20.32 | helicopter88 | I always send 'em to random places |
| 15:20.54 | zeusk_ | you want to go to xxx ? no probs, just take every right you see in that road ahead |
| 15:21.40 | helicopter88 | lol |
| 15:22.33 | fakker | do a nascar, turn left |
| 15:22.52 | fakker | zeusk_, did you read the rest of it? |
| 15:23.10 | zeusk_ | nope, only the tourist page |
| 15:23.17 | fakker | that's what i meant |
| 15:23.20 | fakker | the whole tourist bit is awesome |
| 15:23.24 | fakker | :-D |
| 15:23.25 | zeusk_ | yeah |
| 15:23.31 | fakker | The whole book is like that, it cost a whole 99p |
| 15:23.44 | zeusk_ | i hope an asian mane leaves to me a part of his will because i showed him way in london, naice |
| 15:23.49 | fakker | beats workin |
| 15:23.52 | zeusk_ | s/mane/man/ |
| 15:25.04 | zeusk_ | fakker, do you see random supercars on london streets like every hour ? |
| 15:25.54 | fakker | depends what part of london |
| 15:25.57 | fakker | but yeah, you can |
| 15:26.08 | fakker | lambos, ferraris etc |
| 15:26.14 | fakker | i even saw a mclaren mp4-12 a few months back |
| 15:26.22 | fakker | i even turned my music off, to hear the engine |
| 15:26.23 | helicopter88 | I've seen a pink lambo |
| 15:26.29 | helicopter88 | it was horrendous |
| 15:26.33 | helicopter88 | (in london) |
| 15:26.43 | fakker | helicopter88, we get the light blue/greenish colour ones |
| 15:26.50 | fakker | they're owned by some arabian prince |
| 15:26.52 | fakker | he has a fleet of them |
| 15:26.57 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 15:26.58 | arrrghhh | of course |
| 15:27.05 | fakker | he parks them in no parking zones |
| 15:27.20 | fakker | they get taken away - and he says it's cheaper than hiring a private garage |
| 15:27.25 | helicopter88 | the one I've seen was in front of a 5* hotel |
| 15:27.39 | fakker | if you go around kensington |
| 15:27.41 | fakker | chelsea |
| 15:27.57 | fakker | i saw a ferrari 458 italia and creamed by pants |
| 15:28.01 | fakker | gf was like, wtf is wrong with you? |
| 15:28.05 | helicopter88 | lol |
| 15:28.13 | zeusk_ | I must say, microsoft has some real good assholes http://pastebin.com/PkjWsLTc |
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| 16:44.44 | zeusk_ | How is allsoftwaresucks alex ? |
| 16:46.22 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk_: still sucking |
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| 16:53.49 | fakker | how is Russia, Alex[sp3dev]? |
| 16:54.27 | Alex[sp3dev] | fakker: I'm still in it :( |
| 16:54.43 | fakker | you wanna leave?! |
| 16:54.48 | Alex[sp3dev] | sure |
| 16:55.19 | fakker | and go where? |
| 16:56.31 | Alex[sp3dev] | dunno. I'm getting my bachelor's degree this year and plan to find some university for a master's degree abroad. most likely in germany or finland |
| 16:56.40 | fakker | sweet |
| 16:56.47 | fakker | you could be a Dudeson |
| 16:56.49 | fakker | :D |
| 16:57.32 | fakker | how old are you? asl? |
| 16:58.37 | fakker | 3minmutes until i can let out a dirty bomb from my ass |
| 17:00.10 | Alex[sp3dev] | fakker: does your dirtbomb power depend on the guy from the other side of monitor? |
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| 17:01.02 | zeusk_ | Alex, you didn't mention the part of java sucking cuz it's executed by a VM |
| 17:01.31 | Alex[sp3dev] | fakker: I have a song for ya. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BrNrVapqtU |
| 17:01.43 | Alex[sp3dev] | fakker: are you in your room now? |
| 17:02.50 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk_: well, CL and erlang and smalltalk are also executed by a VM but they aren't as stupid. well, because their advocates aren't trying to solve every problem with one hammer |
| 17:03.48 | zeusk_ | i find the idea of JVM stupid, interpreters often (my experience - always) get in way when you want to write some actually amazing code. |
| 17:04.53 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk_: well, reflection and gaymetaprogramming can realy ease up writing some web crap. well, one thing java has done almost right is GC. though ML/Haskell also have GC and are compiled |
| 17:06.17 | zeusk_ | training someone to handle their memory correctly should yield much better results than using some generic GC, specially those which sweep the entire memory pool. |
| 17:06.37 | zeusk_ | which i think dalvik's GC does |
| 17:07.59 | Alex[sp3dev] | nah, that's stupid |
| 17:08.22 | Alex[sp3dev] | if there's a way to prevent errors by using some algorithm, better use it |
| 17:09.12 | zeusk_ | and bad algorithm can cause much more harm, like in android |
| 17:09.34 | zeusk_ | scrolling sucked in gingerbread since GC would become aggressive |
| 17:09.43 | Alex[sp3dev] | no, not because of that |
| 17:10.22 | Alex[sp3dev] | and well. java sucks because jvm <-> C is a bottlneck when developing dsp/opengl apps for android |
| 17:11.02 | zeusk_ | even in ndk ? |
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| 17:12.09 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, most hal logic is implemented in java either way. but using NEON and native C should be good |
| 17:13.10 | zeusk_ | wut, i was working on cm7 some time ago and most system stuff was cpp except for some crap framework and UI |
| 17:13.36 | zeusk_ | and yes, they had neon too |
| 17:14.19 | zeusk_ | skia, pixelflinger, bionic, webkit had neon alternatives for supported devices |
| 17:17.37 | zeusk_ | So, to sum up. If you want to install yet another enterprise-level megaproject and milk all the money of some local enterprise, go ahead and use Java. But please don't fucking make me touch this pile of poo ever again. |
| 17:17.39 | zeusk_ | HAHAHAHHA |
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| 18:16.28 | Alex[sp3dev] | fail http://pastebin.com/n0tPvkxR . time to add fb init to uboot |
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